Russians in their war do not throw?

13 May 2014 305

The world froze in anticipation. The leadership of the yet unrecognized Donetsk People’s Republic, relying on the results of the popular will, turned to Russia with a request to accept it as a subject of the Russian Federation.

Most likely, representatives of the Luhansk region will do the same. The leadership of the "Donetsk People's Republic" intends to hold talks on unification with colleagues from the Luhansk region, who also declared about the sovereignty of the region, Denis Pushilin, co-chairman of the DPR government, told live on Russia 24 channel.

“We intend to exist together. With the representatives of the People’s Council of the Luhansk People’s Republic, we have already talked in advance, and now we need to decide how it will be technically done,” he said. "We will keep abreast, and to some extent we will unite," said the co-chairman of the government of the DPR.

What will happen next?

It is clear that the "rest" world rushed to the race not to recognize the results of the referendum. The first was Japan. Even before the USA. Not long to wait for the rest.

It is clear that the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions themselves do not care much about what they say in the West. They care about the opinion of one person - Putin. That is the opinion and recognition of Russia.

It is clear that this is not the Crimea. It is more difficult. And it will not be easy for Putin to make a decision.

It is clear that we will not be forgiven for this. And it’s not just the cold war that will begin. May continue the continuation of a hot war on the territory of the DPR. About the next stage of economic sanctions, too, everything is clear. Will be. Another question is which ones?

Of course, hardly anyone will risk an open conflict with today's Russia. Not those times, you know. I think there will be no global conflict. Sanctions? Okay, maybe. But the USSR lived in these sanctions, like a stray dog in fleas. And nothing. Of course, not like now, but quite to myself. This we have already discussed a hundred times.

If the leadership of our state (or rather, and Lithuania is also a country) decides to recognize the NPT, and even less to accept as a member of the Federation, then the world will definitely shake. Especially that part of it where they dislike us. Most of. And again the hysteria “Russians are coming!”

On the other hand, why shout something? We did not leave there, if that.

Sanctions ... Ah, tired. We haven’t really done anything yet, and they regularly write us out. Logically, you really need to do something to at least suffer for the cause. And then the guilty without guilt, around and around.

Very, very much depends on us and our leadership. And a lot is on the scale. What we choose, the Russians? Peaceful life in terms of relations with the West, or the fate of 7 millions of Donbass residents?

Yes, difficult. Yes, it is dangerous. But we and our country are no longer the ones that the West liked. We don’t need cookies. Yes, and we know from the nineties, what taste in donated cookies than he gives.

That is bad luck, but it seems that life has become better. And here it is. But, Russians, we have already seen how the eyes of the Crimeans were shining with sincere joy and happiness. Do not we become the same hope and support for the same Russian Donbass? Especially for those who did not sit out at home, and stood to death against the fascist scum in Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Mariupol, Krasnoarmeysk?

Do we have the right to refuse?

We do not have. Historically, genetically, but hell knows what. But the Russians in their war do not abandon. This we, it seems, already understood.

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APS

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13 May 2014 13: 05

Russians don't abandon their own! First, we need to help force the junta to remove troops from the territory of the DPR and LPR! And our help should be tangible!
thinking

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13 May 2014 13: 15

Request to the administration - make a DPR flag and hang it above my avatar
Tomich2

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13 May 2014 13: 21

They are unlikely to be recognized as part of Russia, most likely they will be treated like Georgia
waisson

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13 May 2014 13: 22

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waisson

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13 May 2014 13: 23

here’s what I dug up boldly though
waisson

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13 May 2014 13: 27

and fate will bring you together if the people want
capitalist

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13 May 2014 13: 34

A quiet life in terms of relations with the West, or the fate of 7 million residents of Donbass?
three questions to the author of the article:

1) tell me, did these 7 million residents of Donbass care about my life for the time being? do you care now???
2) will the author of the article show by personal example, with weapons in hand, in the front row, what those who “who did not sit at home, but stood to the death against the fascist evil spirits in Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Mariupol, Krasnoarmeysk should look like?” ? and why haven't you shown it yet? What’s stopping you from going as a volunteer (they’ll give you a machine gun there)7 being busy writing patriotic articles on the Internet?
3) did the author conduct a survey of the population about their desire to feed another 1,5 million Donetsk parasites in addition to the 7 million Crimean ones (Donbass, even according to Ukrainians, is a completely subsidized region... we’ll leave the tales that it feeds the whole of Ukraine for the completely stubborn)... what’s stopping you? should he do it now? gather together an asset of the same conscientious people and transfer, say, 10% of your salary to the Donbass relief fund??
1. ochakow703
  
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  13 May 2014 18: 33
  
  You're not Russian!
although

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13 May 2014 13: 37

I read a lot, “we need to help, but be careful, otherwise suddenly there’s a war and everyone will be offended..” the men want to eat the fish and... it won’t work!
If we say that our brothers and the Russian land are there, we need to immediately get involved without regard to sanctions and consequences... it’s been worse!
and if we are afraid, there is nothing to reassure people in vain, we need to tell the truth, only GDP will then stand on a par with Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
Ima tsoh

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13 May 2014 13: 39

In Ukraine, “as if in power”, there hangs out an illegal rabble bought by the West and operating under the leadership of the West. The southeast of New Russia took the first most important and fundamental step in establishing its independence and statehood in this situation and in what difficult conditions. They are nearby, not near Mexico. In Russia, mass demonstrations under the slogan “We will not abandon our own” were sold out. If now we do not support and help them, then who are we? We need to prove, first of all, to ourselves, and then to the human part of the world - our decency and consistency. And we don’t need to pay any more attention to the West. Look how many small and defenseless countries they destroyed and how many atrocities they committed. We now have the most important thing in our possession - strength. This is the most important and final argument for these non-humans. And if necessary, we are obliged to use this force. We are obliged to help.
Vladimir1960

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13 May 2014 13: 45

Our President V.V. Putin is a man of his word. I write this with pride and without sarcasm and I don’t abandon my own people. "Moscow. May 13. INTERFAX.RU - The outflow of funds from individuals from SMP Bank since April 28, when sanctions were imposed on the US bank, amounted to about 3 billion rubles, said the president and chairman of the board of the bank, Dmitry Kalantyrsky, at a press conference at the central office "Interfax". At the same time, according to him, the bank recorded an influx of approximately the same level in the funds of legal entities during this time.
Answering the question whether these deposits were attracted from the bank’s shareholder structures, Kalantyrsky noted that these were market clients.
See the original material at http://www.interfax.ru/finances/375958
Andryukha Siberian

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13 May 2014 14: 13

Quote: Capitalist
A quiet life in terms of relations with the West, or the fate of 7 million residents of Donbass?
three questions to the author of the article:

1) tell me, did these 7 million residents of Donbass care about my life for the time being? do you care now???
2) will the author of the article show by personal example, with weapons in hand, in the front row, what those who “who did not sit at home, but stood to the death against the fascist evil spirits in Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Mariupol, Krasnoarmeysk should look like?” ? and why haven't you shown it yet? What’s stopping you from going as a volunteer (they’ll give you a machine gun there)7 being busy writing patriotic articles on the Internet?
3) did the author conduct a survey of the population about their desire to feed another 1,5 million Donetsk parasites in addition to the 7 million Crimean ones (Donbass, even according to Ukrainians, is a completely subsidized region... we’ll leave the tales that it feeds the whole of Ukraine for the completely stubborn)... what’s stopping you? should he do it now? gather together an asset of the same conscientious people and transfer, say, 10% of your salary to the Donbass relief fund??

What are you talking about? What kind of profits or losses can there be when it comes to the lives of Russian people? In 1941, did any of the volunteers going to the front think about profits and losses?
1. capitalist
  
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  13 May 2014 14: 26
  
  Andryukha, a question for you too. Why are you still here? Are you not defending the people of Donbass with weapons in your hands?
  answer to the point.
Roust

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13 May 2014 14: 24

They also barked about the annexation of Crimea, but now they have died down... Perhaps Novorossiya will remain an independent state, actively supported by Russia, Belarus, that’s for now... and then... Novorossians will ask us to come to us, we will figure out how to formalize it legally and join them to Our Caravan. And the dogs..., let the dogs bark, and the Caravan will move on)))... And may the Almighty prolong the life of our Caravaner)))...
Yurban

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13 May 2014 14: 28

Quote: Normal
Quote: Yakov
V.V. Russians will not forgive Putin for this betrayal unless he decides to join these areas in the Russian Federation.

Come on ... Not so forgiven ... "She drowned", Kashirka, st. Guryanova, "Nord Ost", Kadyrov - the hero of Russia, Serdyukov - amnesty, Chubais - not an effective investment of billions and in general "not 37th year" ...
They will sing to us the next I’ll get along, but we shaw and forgive everything.

Maybe you’re right about something, but don’t be so catty, it’s not nice, your title isn’t bad, but it doesn’t allow you to drive such a blizzard. You are our professor.
Russian_Bear

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13 May 2014 14: 28

Hold on brothers, we will not abandon our own!
Russ69

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13 May 2014 14: 30

Night shelling of National Guard positions...
PATTIY

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13 May 2014 14: 31

The first was Japan.
Goldmitro

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13 May 2014 14: 34

<<<Do we have the right to refuse?
We do not have. Historically, genetically, who knows what. But Russians don’t abandon their own people in war. We seem to have already figured this out >>>
If we are RUSSIANS, then there can be only one answer - we DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to refuse Russians! “reboot”, play partners! He only respects firmness, determination and strength! It is on this basis that we must act, but we must not give up on cunning diplomacy!
Rivares

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13 May 2014 14: 35

Here, constantly speaking about Crimea, Donbass and other Russian cities and regions, they use the term subsidized (meaning dependent). So, from the point of view of our body, all organs and parts of the body except the gastrointestinal system and lungs are subsidized. And the brain is the most subsidized!!!
Now an economic example: Profit in agricultural sector is 3-4% per 1 ruble. And how much does a loan cost to carry out sowing - obviously more! It is this difference in money that the state gives so that the farmer/peasant makes a profit. This amount is called DONATION. Without it, the population will starve. With the financial system imposed on us, subsidies are a means of control/economic slavery. If you don’t sell it to whoever needs it at the right price, we’ll deprive you of the subsidy.
Conclusion - those who write that there are parasites there because they are given subsidies are either fools or agents of information influence.
kotyara

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13 May 2014 14: 39

While they themselves have not decided what they want: joining Russia or sovereignty, it’s too early to talk about joining Russia, but they need help at least with weapons and instructors!
coolvoldik

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13 May 2014 14: 40

On May 10th I already voiced a number of theses on some thread.
1. The referendum will not be able to stop the escalation in the southeast.
2. The referendum will not change the balance of power (military)
3. The results of the referendum will have to be defended.
4.An army is needed for protection. Creating an army takes time and money.
5. Russia will not be able to use the results of the referendum as a weighty argument for recognizing the republics.
6.NATO countries are waiting for an appeal from the “legally elected” president in order to provide massive military assistance.
7.The most feared thing about NATO is the sheep breakdown election.
Robot

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13 May 2014 14: 43

You can downvote, but the harsh truth of life is this:

The Russian leadership thinks in practical terms, not patriotic ones. Crimea was obviously annexed not for the sake of protecting the Russian-speaking population, but as a strategically important territory from a military point of view (the Black Sea Fleet), and as an economically attractive one in the future (a resort that could become profitable after investing in infrastructure).

Neither the Lugansk nor Donetsk regions have any practical value - these are depressed regions with outdated industry and unprofitable coal mines - Russia itself has more than enough such problem regions. The annexation of these regions by Russia is simply unprofitable - this is an additional burden on the budget plus new sanctions from the West - our economy is now already stagnating in such a way as to risk everything for the sake of a nominal expansion of its territory without obvious benefit in the foreseeable future.

The independence of these regions is more beneficial for Russia than their inclusion in the Russian Federation. So that there would be a smoldering internal conflict in Ukraine and Ukraine could not be accepted into the EU and NATO because of this. That is, the option of Abkhazia and North Ossetia will be implemented.

Those Russian people who, raising an uprising in these regions, counted on Russia’s help and who now have to confront the Ukrainian Nazis 1 on 1, are certainly a pity. But the Russian leadership has already abandoned them, and the most that can be expected is humanitarian support + maybe weapons and military consultants, but not the deployment of Russian troops.
MG42

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13 May 2014 14: 55

Today's news, let us remind you earlier before the May holidays, the Nazi deputies from the Rada had already expelled communist deputies from the session hall by force.
Today Durchinov went even further >>
The acting President of Ukraine, Speaker of Parliament Oleksandr Turchynov, said that the Communist Party of Ukraine may be involved in separatist activities, and proposed that the Ministry of Justice ban the Communist Party of Ukraine through the courts.
«There is a lot of information and materials about the complicity of representatives of the Communist Party in organizing terrorist and separatist activities. I would ask the Ministry of Justice to consider this issue and, if there is evidence, to submit to the court materials on the ban of the Communist Party in Ukraine,” Turchynov noted.
Communist Party leader Petro Symonenko, speaking in the Verkhovna Rada, said that on May 9 in Mariupol, National Guard soldiers killed two law enforcement officers because they refused to disperse a peaceful rally dedicated to Victory Day. In response, Turchynov noted that this was not true and deprived Simonenko of his word.
The Ministry of Justice can demand to ban the Communist Party of Ukraine only after receiving official documents from law enforcement officers about its separatist activities.

http://nahnews.com.ua/turchinov-xochet-zapretit-kompartiyu-v-ukraine/
1. MG42
  
  +7
  
  13 May 2014 15: 02
  
  Byutovskaya gang in Verkhovna zRada >>
  
  outlines of the new Ukraine
  1. nvv
    
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    13 May 2014 15: 48
    
    In my youth I watched the film (COMMUNIST). I considered the hero of the film to be the standard of a communist. I lived my life, found one, but for some reason again on the screen.
    1. MG42
      
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      13 May 2014 17: 44
      
      It was this afternoon >>
      Symonenko is deprived of the floor in BP. Turchinov called him a liar. "They were burned alive .."
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MAGGNUM

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13 May 2014 14: 59

Sanctions! There are more than 143 million people in Russia. The sanctions list is 61 people, I laugh (laughed when I heard min. 10). Today, the Minister of Finance of Obama's country went to China to dissuade them from relations with Russia, at a time when China transferred an ADVANCE of 20 billion dollars. Rosneft for the oil contract and practically signed the gas contract. I'm not even talking about smaller contracts. In my opinion, we have no one to fear except China. And 10 countries are not the whole world (even large countries). In general, in this situation, I think Putin, unlike us, will not be guided by emotions and will make the only right decision for our country. What will it be like? Let's live, see and hear.
coolvoldik

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13 May 2014 15: 08

The disruption of the May 25 elections can be organized if the old president is returned to the political space of Ukraine. In the right place and at the right time.
1. MG42
  
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  13 May 2014 15: 28
  
  Quote: coolvoldik
  The disruption of the May 25 elections can be organized
  
  So there are less than 12 days left before the elections.
  Unless elections will take place in the DPR and LPR for “technical reasons”, but the junta will draw the result, and Yanukovych without the Russian peacekeeping troops = zero without a stick.
Gunia

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13 May 2014 15: 26

No need to shout too much! Firstly, the referendum showed that they don’t want to go with Kiev, but this doesn’t mean at all that they want to join us! In any case, my brother says that no one really wants to go under Russia, they say, we are on our own! And secondly, this burden may be We can’t do it! And not because I’m afraid of the Yankees, or anything personal, just business!!!! We should bring Crimea to mind, otherwise we’ll accept it and away we go: Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson, Odessa, etc.. These are the ones buggers, they can smell a freeloader a mile away, I remember from the army. So I don’t think Volodenka will be hysterical, he’s a comrade at heart.
gabs

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13 May 2014 15: 30

An attempt was made on Bolotov, he is now in the hospital, his condition is moderate, he has lost a lot of blood.
Russ69

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13 May 2014 15: 34

Quote: gabs
An attempt was made on Bolotov, he is now in the hospital, his condition is moderate, he has lost a lot of blood.

It is unlikely that such attempts can change anything, except to take out stupid anger...
coolvoldik

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13 May 2014 15: 59

Quote: MG42
Quote: coolvoldik
The disruption of the May 25 elections can be organized

So there are less than 12 days left before the elections.
Unless elections will take place in the DPR and LPR for “technical reasons”, but the junta will draw the result, and Yanukovych without the Russian peacekeeping troops = zero without a stick.

What about the Lugansk or Donetsk militia? For now, legally, Donetsk and Lugansk are the territory of Ukraine. (Comrade Kim Il Sung hinted at this) It is necessary to place the legally elected president on the territory of Ukraine. Under the protection of the Ukrainian militia. And then, hold elections in the territories, if there is a living old president. What kind of fair, legitimate elections are there? Under what constitution?
1. MG42
  
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  13 May 2014 16: 33
  
  Quote: coolvoldik
  And then, hold elections in the territories, if there is a living old president. What kind of fair, legitimate elections are there? Under what constitution?
  
  Yes, Yanukovych is needed here, this was previously in my posts, only he can see the warmth in Rostov.
  
  And the elections will be held because... the junta has gone into chaos, they cannot stop according to the scenario of the US State Department and the approval of the EU
  
  Meanwhile, in Kharkov, the junta destroyed the office of the anti-Maidan movement "fight"
Vladimir1960

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13 May 2014 16: 01

However, the trend. Quote: "RBC 13.05.2014/13/05, Moscow 26:14:2014 The official dollar to ruble exchange rate, established by the Bank of Russia from May 33,02, 34,8789, fell by 35 kopecks and amounted to 14 rubles/dollar. Below the mark of 2014 rubles, the official exchange rate of the American currency fell for the first time since February 34,8611, XNUMX, when the dollar was given at XNUMX rubles."
Dmitro_d

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13 May 2014 16: 04

"Let me go through the forest!"
Polarfox

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13 May 2014 16: 15

We should not forget that the West has its teeth set on Kaliningrad. If Donbass annexes, they will have to fight with NATO there too, because it costs them nothing to blockade Kaliningrad. But, on the other hand, I think that we still can’t do without a fight.
1. PATHhuK
  
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  13 May 2014 23: 07
  
  Quote: Polarfox
  We should not forget that the West has its teeth set on Kaliningrad. If Donbass annexes, they will have to fight with NATO there too, because it costs them nothing to blockade Kaliningrad. But, on the other hand, I think that we still can’t do without a fight.
  
  A few hours after the start of hostilities, Kaliningrad will cease to be an enclave - the territory of the Kaliningrad region will simply increase by exactly the area of Latvia and Lithuania combined, and maybe Estonia too...
reservev18reg

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13 May 2014 16: 24

Russia has been at war throughout its history. A bunch of jackals are eager to pounce on her. Russia is silent. Russia is watching. Russia sees Russians being killed not in Russia. Russia is silent and awaits the next sanctions. Russia watches on TV as sanctions against it are discussed. What else needs to happen for Russia to respond! I'm ready to die, seeing how 2 continents will be erased. but let these creatures die too.
1. Nikolaevich I
  
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  13 May 2014 17: 57
  
  Quote: rezerv18reg
  What else needs to happen for Russia to respond!
  
  Why do comments often remind that the population of the South-East of Ukraine is not 100% united and heterogeneous, but at the same time they forget about Russia? The population (or people, if you prefer) of Russia is also heterogeneous and not 100% united in its desire support (get it, as you wish) Novorossiya and endure hardships. You forget that there are those who consider themselves the “elite”, the “masters of the country” - top bureaucrats, “top business”, politicians, the military elite, finally. And They are also not 100% ready to “suffer” for Novorossiya. And this is all the opposition to Putin. And we don’t even realize how strong it is.
2. iConst
  
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  13 May 2014 18: 13
  
  Quote: rezerv18reg
  Russia has been at war throughout its history.
  
  "Who doesn't drink? No, you answer..." (c)
  
  What people have not fought?
coolvoldik

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13 May 2014 16: 31

Speech by Mrs. SSaki on May 26: Despite the objections of the President of Ukraine Yanukovych, made on May 23 in the city of Lugansk, the United States recognizes the presidential elections held by the decision of the acting. President, Turchinov - legitimate. Damn, I got lost in commas.
coolvoldik

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13 May 2014 16: 48

I forgot to invite the CFE chairman to Lugansk on May 22-23, who seemed to be planning to go there himself. Let him personally communicate with the legitimate president.
Gradus HuK

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13 May 2014 17: 12

Quote: Canep
I don’t have a good feeling that the DPR and LPR will not be part of Russia, but it is based on a statement by the presidential service of the Russian President based on the results of the referendum. They are offered to negotiate peacefully with Kiev, it looks like a kid. Let's see what Putin will answer. I think he will tactfully send it. Here is a hunch.
I think the West will impose sanctions in any case, regardless of Russia's decision to join Donetsk and Lugansk. I think it is necessary to accept. What Putin thinks will see.

I think in RUSSIA it is necessary to hold a referendum on the inclusion of these and not only regions into RUSSIA. Don’t forget about the TRANSDNISTRIAN REPUBLIC.
MG42

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13 May 2014 17: 15

12/05/14
The militia fired at a camp of Ukrainian forces at a feed mill using 120 mm Nona self-propelled guns. It was from here that National Guard soldiers made their forays into posts in Krestishchi, Bylbasovka, Rybkhoz, and Kombikorm
Smith713

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13 May 2014 18: 51

Now, if Putin had voiced this, his rating in Russia would have been at least 98%. And so far there are only thoughts, and Russians are dying at the hands of the Nazis. WE agree to Western sanctions for the sake of Great Russia.
ochakow703

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13 May 2014 19: 02

Oops. A split has emerged in the camp of “armchair strategists.” Some are for active action, others are for diplomacy, and others just want to let everything slide. Let me express my opinion. Firstly: it is indecent to consider this region from an economic position - profitable, not profitable. Secondly: with Russia’s current nuclear missile potential, only the stubborn will fight. And thirdly: The brotherly people suffer (I think so, and so do all my friends!) and abandoning a brother in difficult times (read fatal) is called betrayal in Russian. And the fact that not everyone in Russia agrees with annexation (read Salvation) has always been the case. Bandera also believed that it was necessary to be friends with Hitler and did not agree with the Soviet people.
1. iConst
  
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  13 May 2014 19: 16
  
  Quote: ochakow703
  Bandera also believed that it was necessary to be friends with Hitler and did not agree with the Soviet people.
  
  Bandera could count until he was blue in the face. It's like the cockroaches decided to be friends with the owner of the apartment. At first, only the pragmatism of the Germans saved him from gas. And then from the Soviet rope the pragmatism of pendos.
Aandrewsir

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13 May 2014 19: 17

Quote: Oleg56.ru
З

It would be better if he drowned in his own feces!!! Let them cry and pee...like babies.
coolvoldik

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13 May 2014 19: 20

Baltika, you don’t need to tear your vest at the first move.
homosum20

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13 May 2014 19: 33

Yes, how much can you make out of a molehill. They could have declared war on us (without the risk of dying ourselves) - they would have declared it long ago. Moreover, even in the 40s, when we fought with the ancestors of the German thief (well, if the Lucky Bank robbery was not the work of Merkel, then not knowing where to look for the culprit), our allies waited with the 2nd front, not knowing who to attack. If they could, then they would attack. And now they can’t.
Yes, the economy is more serious. But this is a question of what sacrifices we are ready to make for the sake of uniting the Russian world. We all. Including those who are reading this. Are you ready?
Or back to the kennel under the supervision of America?
And there is no third option. It won’t work after what happened if we leave those who are fighting there to pretend that nothing happened. This will change the Russian mentality forever. (Do Russians not abandon their own people in war?) Ours is with you.
Not because they are our brothers (I don’t know if they are brothers). Not because of the defense sector. But because they believe us. Bye. And on their shoulders they have St. George’s ribbons - this is both their symbol and their banner. If we abandon them, it will work out, we have different banners.
But they prove their right to this banner with blood. In the meantime, we - p...m.
federal

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13 May 2014 20: 36

Yes, the issue of annexing the east of Huaraina is complicated, but in this case, having had a sip of sanctions, etc., you can safely turn off the valve (let them plant trees in the geyrop, especially birches - they burn hot), close the ZhPS stations on our territory, sell oil and gas for rubles!! Give us a new world order!!, where there is RUSSIA and everyone else!!!
Ramzaj99

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13 May 2014 20: 59

I think Russia should not be afraid of the beginning of the Cold War, because for Russia it never ended!
Setrac

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13 May 2014 21: 18

I would like to draw your attention to two points.
The first was an appeal to the president to consider the POSSIBILITY OF JOINING, that is, there is no talk of joining itself yet.
Secondly, if Donetsk and Lugansk are annexed now, this will exclude them from the fight for the rest of Ukraine.
1. PATHhuK
  
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  13 May 2014 23: 18
  
  Quote: Setrac
  I would like to draw your attention to two points.
  The first was an appeal to the president to consider the POSSIBILITY OF JOINING, that is, there is no talk of joining itself yet.
  Secondly, if Donetsk and Lugansk are annexed now, this will exclude them from the fight for the rest of Ukraine.
  
  I absolutely agree, perhaps I would just swap the points in order of importance.
heir

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13 May 2014 21: 30

It’s better to be hated by our enemies as a strong power than to be “loved” as a weak and obedient mongrel.
krot

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13 May 2014 21: 31

I hope Putin has a decent move on this issue in reserve! One thing is for sure, there is no need to rush! But we can’t abandon ours either! Everything will be fine!
akm8226

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13 May 2014 21: 50

You can't refuse. What makes us strong is that we are all Russian people. Wherever they live. Even in Africa, we are still Russian.
basmach

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13 May 2014 22: 06

Only those who are ready to fight for it to the end are worthy of freedom. But this is something that is not visible to the majority. Calculate how many percent of the population fights in self-defense units, how many go out to rallies and marches - 5-7%. And the rest are sitting. and wait. What, as one mamzel said, I don’t want to go to Russia, I don’t want to go to Europe, I want to go to Cyprus. And answer 2 questions
1Why are you all such patriots here and still not there and
2 Why should I or my children and the children of my friends die there for those who do not want to fight for themselves and for their freedom (except for a few militias - glory to them).
Yes, I am with both hands for recognition, for help with weapons and advisers (they will call me, I will go), but they must first of all achieve and defend their freedom themselves, and not we for them
remember

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13 May 2014 22: 25

In any case, we won’t be able to sit out. The war is still breaking into our home.
Western rats crawl and get under your skin. Therefore, it is better to attack.
Russian German

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13 May 2014 23: 17

For those who didn’t listen to Russia 24 Nikonov yesterday. On the deployment of a peacekeeping contingent to Donetsk: “We need to talk about this as little as possible and do as much as possible.”
zakidon73

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14 May 2014 04: 25

NORILSK! Brothers and sisters! Don't be indifferent! Let us help the fraternal people in this difficult hour! A center for collecting humanitarian aid has been opened in Norilsk for residents of occupied cities in South-East Ukraine. The besieged residents are in dire need of essential products. Those wishing to help are welcome from Monday to Friday at the headquarters of the Transpolar Cossack Community at Leninsky Prospekt 17-42. Monday to Friday from 18:00 to 22:00. The priority is porridge, cereals, canned food and, of course, medicines (dressings and disinfectants), insulin. There is a delivery corridor.
The issue of transportation was taken over by the City Administration.
Save God!
Lunic

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14 May 2014 05: 20

Quote: Normal
Nord Ost" - a demonstrative destruction of terrorists, regardless of the number of losses among the hostages.

Let me object: Nord OST's operation to neutralize the terrorists was carried out perfectly. The second part, saving the lives of the hostages, was a failure. In my opinion, there are two reasons: an insufficient number of medical personnel and the lack of information among medical personnel about the actions that they will have to take after the attack. I’ll make a reservation: I watched the events in Nord Ost with great pain, like most (I hope) ordinary, normal people all over the planet. Western experts (in the USA, for example) agreed that the Russian special services showed great skill, but secrecy (the possible consequences of a gas attack) did not allow the medical services to do their part of the job.
my 5 cents...
tracer

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14 May 2014 07: 49

I still can’t fully comprehend how in the “blink of an eye” Russia changed. Completely, finally and irrevocably. We were poisoned for decades with everything possible. Starting with political corruption, ending with the corruption of youth in sexual life through pop culture, first of all. I think they put billions of dollars on this. And what?
alex_83

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14 May 2014 08: 09

It seems to me that we here, pondering the destinies of the world, KNOW NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT THE SECRET FUCK OF BIG GEOPOLITICS!!! But Putin has never betrayed the Russians! There is a time for everything!
Nikich

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14 May 2014 09: 31

Quote: Russian German
For those who didn’t listen to Russia 24 Nikonov yesterday. On the deployment of a peacekeeping contingent to Donetsk: “We need to talk about this as little as possible and do as much as possible.”

What exactly comrade do you want to do? Please share
Nikich

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14 May 2014 09: 43

Quote: alex_83
It seems to me that we here, pondering the destinies of the world, KNOW NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT THE SECRET FUCK OF BIG GEOPOLITICS!!! But Putin has never betrayed the Russians! There is a time for everything!

Why do you think so? Geopolitics is not such a complicated thing, just think about why Putin has not sent in troops yet, although it seems to him that everyone has already told him to do so.
Vlom

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14 May 2014 12: 53

Lots of good comments. With the gradual formation of state bodies in the DPR and LPR, it is possible, without accepting them into the Russian Federation,
make an agreement on mutual assistance - and then help officially. Well, first they need to be recognized somehow.
volot-voin

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14 May 2014 13: 15

Quote: kod3001
for me there will be no duck of two deaths, but cast aside their shame for centuries, let's hope that the GDP does not break!

Russians don’t abandon their own people in war, but what does the government, in particular the GDP, think? For now, he is in no hurry to recognize Novorossiya and reacted somewhat restrainedly to the referendum.
I wouldn’t make long-term forecasts; we don’t know all of Putin’s plans. In any case, abandoning Novorossiya would be a betrayal. Perhaps he is playing a cunning game where all of Ukraine is at stake. The main thing is not to waste time before it’s too late to annex, otherwise our descendants won’t forgive us for this.
Toni raut

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14 May 2014 14: 05

Quote: DanaF1
Quote: Yakov
To hell with this geyropa, you can’t abandon your own people, V.V. The Russians will not forgive Putin for this betrayal if he is not noticeable. On what grounds should we accept? decision on the inclusion of these regions into the Russian Federation. Now more than ever we all need to be together...

where is the evidence that the population of these regions wants to be part of the Russian Federation?

Actually there was a referendum.
Not served

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14 May 2014 15: 23

Nobody is going to abandon Donbass, Lugansk and the whole of Ukraine, but acceptance into Russia is a completely different question.
Such a question was not put to the referendum. It cannot be compared with Crimea, because... de jure Crimea could not be independent under international law, then Turkey would have claimed its rights to it.
And the main question is, do they need it? The Belarusian option works quite well. I think it's far from the worst. In a small state it is easier to control order and conduct internal policy more flexibly. But no one has canceled economic integration. And if they are admitted to the UN, then no one can cancel an extra vote in support.
51064

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14 May 2014 15: 51

Picture of burnt Ukrainian equipment from the site of yesterday's battle near Kramatorsk
51064

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14 May 2014 15: 52

Picture of burnt Ukrainian equipment from the site of yesterday's battle near Kramatorsk
51064

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14 May 2014 15: 57

Picture of burnt Ukrainian equipment from the site of yesterday's battle near Kramatorsk
51064

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14 May 2014 16: 03

Reinforcements and evacuators were brought to the site where the battle ended. One or two Mi-24s were in UN force livery. Woe warriors
1. Kunar
  
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  15 May 2014 19: 07
  
  LOSAR!!!!What the hell are they doing there??????
51064

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14 May 2014 16: 04

Like cleaning up the village and surrounding area.
1. Kunar
  
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  15 May 2014 19: 08
  
  Bugoga)))))Loshars by nature))))))
  Only this production is for TV,,,,
51064

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14 May 2014 16: 07

"Troublemakers" in one word
drujba

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14 May 2014 17: 08

something like that probably.
kelevra

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14 May 2014 19: 21

It's up to Putin! How I want my native places to become my homeland forever!
Prohozhiy

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14 May 2014 20: 31

Guys!
Who can comment on the article: “The victories and expenses of the Ukrainian army in the battles with Russian fascists” http://www.krula.com.ua/news.php?category=1&id=1305
Goodwin

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14 May 2014 20: 52

But what if they remain part of Russia, and in no way want to secede? What are we going to do with them?
Countermeasure

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14 May 2014 20: 57

Good afternoon everyone! The issue with the South-East is very complicated. But there should be no hasty decisions here. The struggle for world domination is entering another hot phase and we are now not strong enough to get involved in an open fight. And this is precisely what we are apparently being pushed towards now, and not by accident. Of course, it is necessary to provide assistance, but extremely carefully and carefully. And only definitely without direct intervention. And how this is done can be learned from the experience of our Western “partners.” I hope everyone here understands that the South-East is the last frontier.
echomenkov

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14 May 2014 22: 12

ANY BANDER NEEDS TO BE FINISHED.
shiplover100

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14 May 2014 22: 14

WELL DONE !!! WELL SAID !!! ONLY..... IT SEEMES TO ME THAT IT’S MORE DIFFICULT...... FSE....
shiplover100

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14 May 2014 22: 18

WE WILL NOT QUIT - DEFINITELY!!!!
shiplover100

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14 May 2014 22: 30

THIS IS DONBASS.... MY HOMELAND!!!! RUSSIA GAVE ME EVERYTHING...... WHAT TO BE??? THESE STSUKI (Kyiv "mands")... PUT ME INTO A CHOICE: RUSSIA OR UKRAINE... WHAT DO YOU THINK I WILL CHOOSE???!!!
shitovmg

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14 May 2014 22: 47

It is necessary to accept into the Russian Federation, or conclude an alliance, when all the subjects are ready for this: Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye, Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa, Tiraspol. You can’t spray, you have to do it right away!!! Dnepropetrovsk I would like more...
Vlad Gore

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15 May 2014 02: 04

But, Russians, we have already seen how the eyes of the Crimeans beamed with sincere joy and happiness. Will we really not become the same hope and support for the same Russians of Donbass? Especially for those who did not sit at home, but stood to the death against the fascist evil spirits in Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Mariupol, Krasnoarmeysk?
We must accept everyone who wants to be part of Russia. Don't care about sanctions. It's better to live poorly, but honestly.
figter

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15 May 2014 07: 40

When sexual and all kinds of evil spirits come to power, war is inevitable. History speaks about this, it has always been so. Europe, like the United States in principle, is led by the Homintern and the Freemasons. It is necessary to move the border as far as possible from Moscow and other large cities. Geopolitically, two routes lead to us from Europe - through Minsk-Smolensk and Kyiv-Rostov-Volgograd. Historically, the enemy came to us along these routes, there are no other routes, the rest do not provide for the massive passage of troops and rear units, or the supply of material resources for large groups. The relief of the Kyiv-Rostov-Volgograd direction geographically has the shape of a funnel with expansion to the east. The bottleneck is in the Zhitomir-Vinnitsa-Kyiv region. If before the start of hostilities there are no our troops there, who had already taken up positions in advance, then the enemy is in Rostov and Volgograd (example: 1919-21, Polish intervention, 1941-1944), if there is, then there is no enemy in Russia (1914- 1916). If we do not want a second Stalingrad or the defense of Tsaritsyn in the future, then the border needs to be moved to the west. At the moment, the narrow neck is under the control of Bendery and other juntas. The situation needs to be changed before it is too late. This, in principle, is why we need Ukraine. And the people there are ours too.
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1. Sedoy89
  
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  15 May 2014 15: 50
  
  From a psychological point of view, a person in a “Euromaidan state” is in the state of a child – he operates with emotions and desires. If you respond directly to him with arguments from the position of an adult, this will cause a so-called “psychological injection”: a state of psychological discomfort. And this, in turn, will cause irritation and aggression. At the same time, a person in a child’s state is a person in a state of eternal competition
  with everyone. He will defend his position to the last just so that he will not be recognized as a fool or a loser.
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Red68

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15 May 2014 15: 57

Quote: shitovmg
It is necessary to accept into the Russian Federation, or conclude an alliance, when all the subjects are ready for this: Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye, Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa, Tiraspol. You can’t spray, you have to do it right away!!! Dnepropetrovsk I would like more...

What about Poltava? I really need it!!! And Kyiv is the mother of RUSSIAN cities???
Red68

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15 May 2014 16: 20

Quote: Prohozhiy
Guys!
Who can comment on the article: “The victories and expenses of the Ukrainian army in the battles with Russian fascists” http://www.krula.com.ua/news.php?category=1&id=1305

Is there anything to comment on here? The resistance control center is in Slavyansk (Donetsk and Lugansk are just standing on the sidelines)... The separatists go on the attack hiding behind children... Several dozen zombified inhabitants are hindering the great Ukrainian army...
Another propaganda campaign of the junta! TOTALLY FALSE AND INDEPENDENT!!! So, Prohozhiy, when you go through it again, you can comment... left or right, your choice.
1. Prohozhiy
  
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  16 May 2014 20: 11
  
  I understand this myself, but damn the central printed organ of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, where do they get the powder in such quantities?
Sedoy89

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15 May 2014 18: 44

Verified information has just arrived from Svatovo!!! 8 helicopters landed in the city, armored vehicles arrived, and 2500 National Guard soldiers arrived. They say they saw Avakov himself. As I understand it, a large-scale assault is beginning from the north of the region!!!
0 Attention! This is what is happening in the city of Svatovo, Lugansk region: We are waiting for polite people, we already have Dnepr, PS, NG there were 400, yesterday another 800 were brought + weapons to the dairy
http://novorus.info/
raf

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15 May 2014 19: 58

Whether other countries recognize the referendum or not is the tenth matter and they are not our decree! The optimal option is to unite two republics into one called Little Russia or Novorossiya, the essence is not in the name, but in the will of the inhabitants of the republics, which clearly showed that the further bright path is only with Russia. This choice should be recognized and respected by all countries.
Alexander 3

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15 May 2014 20: 57

My question is: Why don’t the parts of Ukraine stationed there go over to the side of the people of Donetsk and Lugansk? Why can the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine,
but the military doesn't
Dr. Manoff

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15 May 2014 21: 28

I smell big changes in the world .....
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Ramzaj99

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15 May 2014 21: 41

The guys are fighting little by little!
stranik72

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16 May 2014 05: 22

They have abandoned and will continue to abandon, as long as the system of power is aimed at making a profit, the Russians have not fit in here for the last 30 years. Ukraine was leaked, and they received a bonus in the form of Crimea, but this is nothing, now I will continue to beat us up. It’s too late to send in troops, and there’s no need to do this, volunteers, special operations, etc., the price is too high, the future of Russia is only for our rulers, it doesn’t matter. Over the 14 years of this tandem in power, the country has not become stronger, richer, yes, but hardly stronger, and with a sense of self-esteem, as it turned out, not very much either. Take care of yourself, Russians in Ukraine have courage.
DouCah

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