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Russians in their war do not throw?

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Russians in their war do not throw?



The world froze in anticipation. The leadership of the yet unrecognized Donetsk People’s Republic, relying on the results of the popular will, turned to Russia with a request to accept it as a subject of the Russian Federation.

Most likely, representatives of the Luhansk region will do the same. The leadership of the "Donetsk People's Republic" intends to hold talks on unification with colleagues from the Luhansk region, who also declared about the sovereignty of the region, Denis Pushilin, co-chairman of the DPR government, told live on Russia 24 channel.

“We intend to exist together. With the representatives of the People’s Council of the Luhansk People’s Republic, we have already talked in advance, and now we need to decide how it will be technically done,” he said. "We will keep abreast, and to some extent we will unite," said the co-chairman of the government of the DPR.

What will happen next?

It is clear that the "rest" world rushed to the race not to recognize the results of the referendum. The first was Japan. Even before the USA. Not long to wait for the rest.

It is clear that the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions themselves do not care much about what they say in the West. They care about the opinion of one person - Putin. That is the opinion and recognition of Russia.

It is clear that this is not the Crimea. It is more difficult. And it will not be easy for Putin to make a decision.

It is clear that we will not be forgiven for this. And it’s not just the cold war that will begin. May continue the continuation of a hot war on the territory of the DPR. About the next stage of economic sanctions, too, everything is clear. Will be. Another question is which ones?

Of course, hardly anyone will risk an open conflict with today's Russia. Not those times, you know. I think there will be no global conflict. Sanctions? Okay, maybe. But the USSR lived in these sanctions, like a stray dog ​​in fleas. And nothing. Of course, not like now, but quite to myself. This we have already discussed a hundred times.

If the leadership of our state (or rather, and Lithuania is also a country) decides to recognize the NPT, and even less to accept as a member of the Federation, then the world will definitely shake. Especially that part of it where they dislike us. Most of. And again the hysteria “Russians are coming!”

On the other hand, why shout something? We did not leave there, if that.

Sanctions ... Ah, tired. We haven’t really done anything yet, and they regularly write us out. Logically, you really need to do something to at least suffer for the cause. And then the guilty without guilt, around and around.

Very, very much depends on us and our leadership. And a lot is on the scale. What we choose, the Russians? Peaceful life in terms of relations with the West, or the fate of 7 millions of Donbass residents?

Yes, difficult. Yes, it is dangerous. But we and our country are no longer the ones that the West liked. We don’t need cookies. Yes, and we know from the nineties, what taste in donated cookies than he gives.

That is bad luck, but it seems that life has become better. And here it is. But, Russians, we have already seen how the eyes of the Crimeans were shining with sincere joy and happiness. Do not we become the same hope and support for the same Russian Donbass? Especially for those who did not sit out at home, and stood to death against the fascist scum in Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Mariupol, Krasnoarmeysk?

Do we have the right to refuse?

We do not have. Historically, genetically, but hell knows what. But the Russians in their war do not abandon. This we, it seems, already understood.
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  1. Oleg56.ru
    Oleg56.ru 13 May 2014 07: 39
    +93
    The West will choke on its own saliva. tongue
    1. Wels75
      Wels75 13 May 2014 07: 46
      +32
      Well, the spray will definitely fly far)))
      nada they put a medical mask on them Schaub did not hit us lol
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 13 May 2014 07: 47
        +69
        The following moves are interesting. And people need to be protected. And Novorossia to collect all.
        1. CALL.
          CALL. 13 May 2014 07: 54
          +59
          The world froze in anticipation. The leadership of the unrecognized so far Donetsk People’s Republic, relying on the results of the popular will, appealed to Russia with a request to accept it as a subject of the Russian Federation.


          1. Canep
            Canep 13 May 2014 08: 16
            +64
            I don’t have a good feeling that the DPR and LPR will not be part of Russia, but it is based on a statement by the presidential service of the Russian President based on the results of the referendum. They are offered to negotiate peacefully with Kiev, it looks like a kid. Let's see what Putin will answer. I think he will tactfully send it. Here is a hunch.
            I think the West will impose sanctions in any case, regardless of Russia's decision to join Donetsk and Lugansk. I think it is necessary to accept. What Putin thinks will see.
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 13 May 2014 09: 06
              +98
              Quote: Canep
              I think the West will impose sanctions in any case, regardless of Russia's decision to join Donetsk and Lugansk. I think it is necessary to accept. What Putin thinks will see.

              Sergey, hi ! As long as the situation in Donetsk and Lugansk looks like it exists today, there will be no progress in terms of joining these areas to Russia. The referendum in Lugansk and Donetsk regions aimed to find out whether or not citizens will remain part of Ukraine, but not as part of joining Russia. In Crimea, a referendum was just held on accession to Russia, and it took place only after the election of the legitimate government of the Republic of Crimea. Feel the difference. In their case, there is no need to rush, first you need to hold elections for the government of the republics, to legitimize power, and then hold a referendum on joining Russia.
              1. amigo1969
                amigo1969 13 May 2014 10: 24
                +40
                I completely agree! Let the DPR and LPR de jure build all the institutions and the vertical of independent states (constitution, army, courts, police ...). They will force them to withdraw or knock out all units of the Kiev junta from their territory. And only after that it is possible to quietly stage-by-stage study the issue of accession / confederation to Russia. The option of relations between England and New Zealand is optimal, where the latter recognizes the primacy of the English crown and protectorate.
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                2. matross
                  matross 13 May 2014 12: 36
                  +21
                  Quote: amigo1969
                  quietly phased to work out the issue of joining / confederation to Russia.

                  Quietly and in stages - I agree. But it will not work with the confederation, the laws of the Russian Federation do not provide for such forms. And no need. So far they will remain in the position of Transnistria, and there it will be seen at what point it is possible to unite with Russia completely.
                  1. tasey
                    tasey 13 May 2014 14: 57
                    +1
                    How long will it take to adopt a new constitutional law? There was no concept - "Confederation"? Will be. Don't go too far for an example.
                    1. Ataman
                      Ataman 14 May 2014 15: 58
                      +1
                      On May 25, elections to the European Parliament will take place, which may turn out to be quite pro-Russian. There will be nothing until this date. Putin knows how to wait.
                  2. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 15 May 2014 14: 34
                    +1
                    [quote = matRoss] They will stay while in the situation of Transnistria, and there it will be seen at what point it is possible to unite with Russia completely. [/ quot

                    The situation in Transnistria is not enviable, to put it mildly, and it can last like Transnistria for 20-30 years ... it’s necessary to decide now, but Putin is unlikely to accept it in favor of Donbass ...
                3. werewolf
                  werewolf 13 May 2014 13: 22
                  +6
                  Will force to remove or knock out all units of the Kiev junta from its territory
                  They have not yet been recognized by anyone, so they can start the liberation of Kharkov to a heap. Shooters gives junta in Slavyansk and through Raisins ... shpoken zi puken ...
                4. kotyara
                  kotyara 13 May 2014 14: 34
                  +17
                  Knock out professionals must professionals! Too many people will die in the fight against them! Russia’s military assistance is needed, maybe it should be hidden for some time, all the same, in Kiev they shout that there are plenty of saboteurs, well, and abandon them so that they would have calmed down!
                5. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 13 May 2014 17: 10
                  +5
                  [quote = amigo1969] Will force them to withdraw or drive out all units of the Kiev junta from their territory.
                  Maybe, at the same time, tell me how to "knock out all the subdivisions of the Kiev junta" with tanks, armored vehicles, artillery, "hails", helicopters "from their territory with" shotguns, "Kalashs", "mosinks"? But with regard to: "whether or not we take the DPR and LPR to Russia," the idea is correct: It is necessary that the people of the South-East at the next referendum clearly state: to Russia or next to Russia.
                  1. Alekseev
                    Alekseev 13 May 2014 19: 25
                    +14
                    Quote: Nikolaevich I
                    at the same time, and tell me how to "knock out all the units of the Kiev junta" with tanks, armored vehicles, artillery, "hail", helicopters "from their territory"

                    About how to do this more than once already said.
                    This is not a war of two states, militias in cities, the population is there, it is impossible to use heavy weapons (not at all because the banderlogs are humane, just the resonance will be too great, strikes at least by Russian aviation are inevitable).
                    Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and banderlog helicopters - the essence of the target if the insurgents have light PTS and MANPADS - man-portable ATGMs, RPGs, PTR, Bumblebees, Flies Arrows, Needles, MANPADS, etc.), as well as modern night-vision devices for organizing night operations . Move around in pickups and trucks, trophy armored vehicles, as in Libya.
                    The transfer of a part of the troops to the side of Donbass, mass desertion will not keep itself waiting long, and the inveterate Banderlog will only be "killed". There are not so many of them. I would like to believe that a lot is already being done. It is necessary to develop efforts and the Kiev junta will fall.
                    And Kiev will accept the terms of Donetsk.
                    1. iConst
                      iConst 13 May 2014 19: 38
                      +4
                      Quote: Alekseev
                      Quote: Nikolaevich I
                      at the same time, and tell me how to "knock out all the units of the Kiev junta" with tanks, armored vehicles, artillery, "hail", helicopters "from their territory"

                      About how to do this more than once already said.
                      This is not a war of two states, militias in cities, the population is there, it is impossible to use heavy weapons (not at all because the banderlogs are humane, just the resonance will be too great, strikes at least by Russian aviation are inevitable).
                      Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and banderlog helicopters - the essence of the target if the insurgents have light PTS and MANPADS - man-portable ATGMs, RPGs, PTR, Bumblebees, Flies Arrows, Needles, MANPADS, etc.), as well as modern night-vision devices for organizing night operations . Move around in pickups and trucks, trophy armored vehicles, as in Libya.
                      The transfer of a part of the troops to the side of Donbass, mass desertion will not keep itself waiting long, and the inveterate Banderlog will only be "killed". There are not so many of them. I would like to believe that a lot is already being done. It is necessary to develop efforts and the Kiev junta will fall.
                      And Kiev will accept the terms of Donetsk.

                      Yes, there is a video on the network when the representative of the Communist Party of Ukraine gave Turchinov about the events in Mariupol, Odessa, etc.
                      And he had a gloomy look.
                      I don’t think that he’s a fool (although a fool, he had a lot of fun with the pendos) and is already thinking where to get a little farther: one hell, there’s no point - the country is ruined, God forbid the rest of the people will rise with the support of the southeast.

                      Yes, that's dough, you see, not enough. What will be done - after all, the Pendoc owners will write off cleanly. well, maybe they’ll attach a pool cleaner.
                      1. cap-blood
                        cap-blood 14 May 2014 00: 24
                        +6
                        Gentlemen, what is the second referendum, what is legitimization, there is real dual power, more and more troops are being hijacked, they are conducting covert operations to seize or destroy activists (and this is happening all over Ukraine), they are attracting more and more mercenaries. If it doesn’t help, they will bomb, have you already forgotten Yugoslavia ?! What can oppose the DNI? Amers need only territory and fossils.
                        If activists are destroyed, Donbass will not rise: it’s not so simple and not everyone will be able to raise resistance, and even with the strengthening of total control.
                        In general, my prognosis is negative, sorry only for the guys who shed their blood, because they started with the belief that "Russians don't leave their own people," as they all told them, and now they don't even want to help, they don't even want to admit it.
                      2. Dest. 956
                        Dest. 956 14 May 2014 05: 33
                        +2
                        "The Kramatorsk company (formed by 2/3 of the Cossacks) has just reported on the fulfillment of the task. 2 armored personnel carriers, 1 KAMAZ with infantry, 1 KAMAZ with ammunition, were killed and wounded. Only 30 GAZ-1 managed to escape. with a mortar on a trailer. Our losses are -66 "1th" and 200 "1th". The deceased is a volunteer from Dnepropetrovsk. "

                        And the first information appears about the losses of the National Guard of Ukraine as a result of shelling by valiant artillerymen Igor Ivanovich:

                        “According to the radio interception, the losses of the National Guard killed only as a result of the first shelling of Karachun made over 100 people killed. Mainly, as a result of the detonation of an ammunition depot.
                        According to some reports, 102 people whom the army recently recorded as "deserters" are just the victims of the shelling, about which the authorities cannot inform their relatives and therefore were dishonored posthumously. "Pravda.com.ua
                        Here is the answer to you that it is not in vain that they shed blood. Coffins are coming west ...
                      3. Victor Demchenko
                        Victor Demchenko 14 May 2014 19: 46
                        0
                        But didn’t you try to help yourself? or just know how to ask questions?
                  2. Andrey Gladkikh
                    Andrey Gladkikh 13 May 2014 22: 59
                    +8
                    Kiev will accept or not accept the conditions of the Donetsk team - this is the tenth matter. The main thing is to clear the territory of New Russia of the armed supporters of the junta of all stripes and subordination, and replace the border guards with their own on the border with Russia.
                    1. ArhipenkoAndrey
                      ArhipenkoAndrey 14 May 2014 15: 35
                      +3
                      Quite right, as the leader of the world proletariat said - a revolution is only worth something if it knows how to defend itself - at the moment the revolution should be replaced by Novorosia, and with the relevant agreements and control of the state border with the Russian Federation, I think that the Kiev Fuhrer will have no chance at all .
                  3. Kunar
                    Kunar 15 May 2014 18: 50
                    +1
                    Tear them up without us ..... I’m going to Donbass ....
                    KAZAKHSTANIS seems to be allowed ......
            2. Ustas
              Ustas 13 May 2014 12: 33
              +14
              Quote: Tersky
              In their case, there is no need to rush, first you need to hold elections for the government of the republics, to legitimize power, and then hold a referendum on joining Russia.

              I would also add that they should unite in one federal republic of Novorosiya.
            3. revnagan
              revnagan 13 May 2014 13: 01
              +19
              Quote: Tersky
              In their case, there is no need to rush, first you need to hold elections of the government of the republics, to legitimize the power,

              ... establish trade relations with Russia directly, bypassing Kiev, let the ruble into the economy of Little Russia, supply products to Russia and buy goods there, open the border with Russia and receive military assistance from Moscow ... There is still much work.
            4. RONIN-HS
              RONIN-HS 13 May 2014 13: 32
              +22
              The first rule of the bureaucrat is "... If you want to ruin something - START TO AGREE!"
              In 1991, a dozen drunk from fear of traitors, for ONE NIGHT, ruined the USSR! LAWS were thrown HAZARDOUS.
              WHEN HISTORY IS GOING ON - LAWS WRITTEN WRITTEN!

              Therefore - send everyone ... by the forest. Accept New Russia to Russia - and urgently! And Russia will already be at 20 million people MORE! People - the main thing.
              Plus - territory, factories, land, infrastructure.
              We in the USSR had two orders for commanders - the Order of Suvorov and the Order of Kutuzov. Suvorov - was given for an offensive operation, Kutuzov - for a defensive operation. IMPOSING AN OPPONENT a new situation - you change the GAME RULES, and he is deliberately late. This is the success! good
            5. Rostislav
              Rostislav 13 May 2014 13: 42
              +5
              And in the period while all these actions will be implemented, Russia will provide humanitarian assistance and should exclude the possibility of military aggression of the Ukrainian junta.
            6. Predator
              Predator 13 May 2014 20: 08
              +3
              But now they can ask for help! GDP and Old Man!
            7. boris117
              boris117 13 May 2014 23: 08
              0
              Apparently that's the case, but help is needed. I hope so
          2. Yakov
            Yakov 13 May 2014 09: 12
            +17
            Yes, to hell with this geyropa, you can’t leave your own, V.V. Russians will not forgive Putin for this betrayal unless he decides to join these areas in the Russian Federation. Now more than ever you need to be all together ...
            1. Normal
              Normal 13 May 2014 11: 08
              -17%
              Quote: Yakov
              V.V. Russians will not forgive Putin for this betrayal unless he decides to join these areas in the Russian Federation.


              Come on ... Not so forgiven ... "She drowned", Kashirka, st. Guryanova, "Nord Ost", Kadyrov - the hero of Russia, Serdyukov - amnesty, Chubais - not an effective investment of billions and in general "not 37th year" ...
              They will sing to us the next I’ll get along, but we shaw and forgive everything.
              1. Vyalik
                Vyalik 13 May 2014 12: 30
                +16
                Quote: Normal
                C'mon ... Not that forgiven ..


                There was not much other situevina in Crimea. It had its own parliament, its own authorities, etc. This is not the case in the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics. Not yet. Everything takes time. All bodies will be created, they will apply, then I think there will be a positive answer. In addition, the question was "You are for the creation of the DPR" for or against the referendum. But there was no question on joining RUSSIA.
              2. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 13 May 2014 13: 27
                +1
                Quote: Normal
                "She drowned", Kashirka, st. Guryanova, "Nord Ost", Kadyrov - the hero of Russia, Serdyukov - amnesty, Chubais

                how adroitly man-made disaster, terrorist attacks, politics and amnesty intertwined in one sentence ...

                have forgotten yet "sudden hitler" to shout ...
                1. Rostovchanin
                  Rostovchanin 13 May 2014 16: 44
                  -4
                  have forgotten yet "sudden hitler" to shout ...

                  and Kursk drag?
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                  1. Siberian
                    Siberian 13 May 2014 21: 56
                    +4
                    And about "Kursk" - try to get and watch the French footage of this event: it is not clear, but the text is audible.
                  2. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 13 May 2014 23: 49
                    +4
                    Quote: Normal
                    1. "She drowned" is not a man-made disaster, but the attitude towards her and the people who died in this catastrophe expressed by your idol with a nasty grin.
                    2. The terrorist attacks.
                    Kashirskoye Highway and Guryanov Street would not have been the last if vigilant residents had not caught the servicemen who were laying another batch of bags of "granulated sugar" in the basement of a residential building under the leadership of representatives of special services. S. Ivanov excused himself then stating that it was an exercise.
                    "Nord Ost" is a demonstrative destruction of terrorists regardless of the number of hostage losses. The main thing was to tell the Caucasian bandit underground that the tactics of hostage-taking are not effective, we will destroy the terrorists without regard for anything. Therefore, the rescue operation was not thought out. And this is also your idol.


                    But leave a demagogic twist about a sudden hitler; I don’t do demagogy.


                    and what's that?

                    about the vile smirk you imagined ...
                    but what caused the accident would be interesting to find out, because as I heard, the working version is a missile aboard from the submarine of your owners ...

                    point 2 without comment at all, I see no reason to discuss this topic with alternatively gifted ...
              3. smershxnumx
                smershxnumx 14 May 2014 00: 39
                -6
                Normal, No need to try to explain to THEM (of which there are probably at least 80%) if THEY "know the history" that in 1941 the GDR attacked the Soviet Union, Stalin was the mayor of Moscow, and Mao Tse Tung is Kostya Ju's father, and Guryanova, Beslan and Budennovsk so empty sound. I gave you a plus.
                1. Danafxnumx
                  Danafxnumx 14 May 2014 02: 28
                  +4
                  Quote: smerx89
                  of which there is at least probably 80%


                  Vasya, didn’t you mess up the site?
                  it’s not a facet or even an echo ...
                2. ArhipenkoAndrey
                  ArhipenkoAndrey 14 May 2014 15: 45
                  -1
                  And as I understand it, are you at the very top of the reasonable? And the rest are so itchy, excuse me if not delusions of grandeur from my own knowledge?
            2. psg72
              psg72 13 May 2014 12: 38
              +16
              Maybe you need to start all of New Russia together. And there and entry to think.
            3. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 13 May 2014 13: 26
              +1
              Quote: Yakov
              Yes, to hell with this geyropa, you can’t leave your own, V.V. Russians will not forgive Putin for this betrayal unless he decides to join these areas in the Russian Federation. Now more than ever you need to be all together ...

              based on what to take?
              where is the evidence that the population of these regions wants to be part of the Russian Federation?
            4. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 13 May 2014 14: 49
              +1
              everyone judges from his bell tower .. Putin will not be a traitor, he just has a different scale, it seems to me that he definitely will not leave these regions to the mercy of fate, so what kind of betrayal are you talking about?
            5. soyuz-nik
              soyuz-nik 13 May 2014 15: 08
              +16
              Hello!
              As it was said, "Russia is concentrating." I believe that VVP, as a professional, is waiting for a convenient moment for "cutting", and it is clear that it is not waiting with a twinkle.

              Little by little, they will press ukrakhunta on the gas theme, returning the maydanuty plebs to the "real politician".

              At the same time, dogs bark - the caravan goes on: the Southeast needs to act where politically, where economically, and where militarily.

              The situation with Crimea (geographic isolation and the presence of a limited contingent of little green men) made it possible to play ahead of the curve. However, the situation with the South-East is fundamentally different, and working quickly here is not "in suit".

              I believe that a combination of the following factors will take place:

              (A) The gas and economic impact of the Russian Federation on the Ukrakhunt and its supporting Ukraplebs,

              (B) The activities of the Southeast to strengthen its subjectivity (to force one to reckon with itself),

              (B) The work of the Russian Federation in the international arena (information, diplomatic, etc.).

              In addition to the Russians in the South-East of Ukraine, the GDP is FIRSTLY responsible for the people in the Russian Federation and wears a heavy "Monomakh hat" on it, so to wave a sword a la Budenov and endanger the population of the Russian Federation (in particular social programs) for GDP is also not quite acceptable option.

              Sooner or later, I hope, the Russian Federation and the South-East of Ukraine will force ukrakhunta, its owners and ukraplebs to reckon with the truth and then there will be a dialogue (open or not): the Russian Federation on the one hand and the south-east. Ukraine on the other, which will dot the "Y": independent Novorossia or new subjects of the Russian Federation.

              May the Force be with us!
            6. se-ma
              se-ma 13 May 2014 16: 20
              +4
              I’m not very strong on the Internet. Therefore, do not judge strictly. Maybe it’s possible from our website to prepare an appeal to the president to support the south-east of Ukraine. I already sent my letter.
            7. O_RUS
              O_RUS 14 May 2014 01: 49
              +1
              "Sanctions…"


              Quote: Yakov
              Yes, to hell with this geyropa ...


              winter will come ... the valve is not rusty here
            8. ArhipenkoAndrey
              ArhipenkoAndrey 14 May 2014 15: 41
              +1
              Yes, here are all Napoleons, "the people will not forgive", each gopher is an agronomist, in such matters should be resolved with a cool head and not on emotions, otherwise you can break the wood, then the people will definitely not forgive.
            9. Lehanset
              Lehanset 14 May 2014 22: 32
              +1
              They wave Russian tricolor there! How can we shrug them off ?!
          3. anfil
            anfil 13 May 2014 09: 13
            +35
            I have the same bad feeling, people voted FOR INDEPENDENCE, and not for joining Russia.
            In my opinion, someone is ahead of the event. Now I watched this statement on TV, so there one grandmother shouted: Donbass, Donbass and not a word - Russia, a completely different picture was observed in Crimea!
            1. pavel_SPB
              pavel_SPB 13 May 2014 11: 03
              +25
              let them live separately ... autonomously ... it’s not a pity :)))) the main thing is to live, not to fight :)))
          4. user
            user 13 May 2014 09: 52
            +20
            Canep SU Today, 08: 16 ↑ New

            I don’t have a good feeling that the DNI and LC will not be accepted into Russia,

            I have about the same feeling, but only such a refusal can cause more damage to Putin and Russia than all the sanctions and the hot war put together. It turns out that Putin and Russia simply abandoned the entire "Russian World" using it in their geopolitical games, declaring the unification of this world and the support of the Russian-speaking population and the second such case of a referendum and a request to join Russia voluntarily, with the highest degree of trust in Russia and personally to the president RF, I think there will be no more. So for Putin personally, this is still the choice. So we are waiting.
            1. sso-xnumx
              sso-xnumx 13 May 2014 11: 50
              +14
              To begin with, an agreement on mutual assistance and military-technical cooperation between Russia and the DPR and LPR. And on the basis of it, in which case, provide military assistance. At the end of the assistance, it will be possible to raise the issue of inclusion in the Russian Federation. Then everything will be legally legal.
              1. Corsair0304
                Corsair0304 14 May 2014 10: 35
                +1
                I wanted to express the same thing, but you got ahead. And before that, create the whole structure of legitimate power with all the necessary attributes. Then, in response to Obama, GDP will be able to accept the LEGAL and LEGITIMATE representatives of the Donbass in the Kremlin and, accordingly, already conclude agreements.
                The whole trick is also in who, besides Russia, recognizes their legitimacy? At least 3-4 states are needed (as I think, maybe I'm mistaken)
            2. psg72
              psg72 13 May 2014 12: 43
              +12
              Well, at least let Putin go to China to sign an agreement. This will untie his hands. Do not push the rush is good at catching fleas. This is not so in politics.
            3. Antor
              Antor 13 May 2014 17: 25
              +5
              Donetsk and Lugansk brotherhood !!!
              Only after defending your independence, through sweat, blood, deprivation and suffering, realizing all the same to the end, with whom and how they want to exist in Ukraine, or in Russia, or separately in New Russia, only then can we make the right choice, and for this we need time.
              It is necessary to form the appropriate state bodies, army, police, etc.
              The main thing for Russia is to prevent the Kiev junta from crushing the self-proclaimed republics — to help and help at all levels.
            4. fif21
              fif21 14 May 2014 17: 39
              0
              Quote: user
              So what are we waiting for.
              Yes, Putin is our elected president. Therefore, the decision is his.
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          6. Tron
            Tron 13 May 2014 10: 39
            +29
            Quote: Canep
            I don’t have a good feeling that the DPR and LPR will not be accepted into Russia

            But you cannot leave without help. Enough of the blood of our brothers.
            1. ioann1
              ioann1 14 May 2014 17: 21
              0
              It is bitter to realize that the brothers are dying, no matter what ideology they profess. The enemy of the human race - the devil - has found a way to clash the closest peoples.
              We must pray to the Lord for forgiveness of our sins and the end of this diabolical violence!
              Evil must be punished.
          7. huut
            huut 13 May 2014 11: 47
            +19
            Quote: Canep
            I don’t have a good feeling that the DPR and LPR will not be accepted into Russia

            Personal passion for joining can be quenched by playing global strategies such as Victory Day or the Total War series. When I itch to attach something, then I immediately go there and how I start to seize everything there for the USSR or Russia. I am constantly capturing Eastern Europe, generally easy. Landing in the United States is more difficult, but also coped. And there you don't have to worry about referendums.

            By the way, on what basis should they be attached to Russia? In Crimea, there was a question about joining, and here the referendum is only about independence.
            Ah, but who needs these bases, we simply add the normul. And if that, save loading, replay.
          8. Grenader
            Grenader 13 May 2014 11: 58
            +13
            Quote: Canep
            And a lot is on the scales. What will we choose, Russians? A calm life in terms of relations with the West, or the fate of 7 million inhabitants of Donbass?

            A quiet life in terms of relations with the West will no longer be. We can only buy time. We give up the Donbass, another attack on Russia will follow for the oppression of homosexuals, liberals, or on any other far-fetched pretext. The invasion of the united states into Ukraine is an attack on Russia, an encroachment on our security. But we are silent about this and do not claim any rights to the zone of our vital interests. Silence turns into a reduction in spheres of influence, which Russia has almost gone. Then they will start to eat us, well, maybe Belarus will be destabilized first. In general, there is no sense in lingering with the West. We must attack in all directions, or wait for the collapse of the country.
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 13 May 2014 15: 49
              +3
              the people who betrayed their leader are damned, the example is Iraq, Libya, Serbia and are still choking on the outskirts with blood, an example of what could be with Russia .. if we stop believing in the leader
          9. kush62
            kush62 13 May 2014 13: 44
            +3
            The co-chairman of the government of the Donetsk People's Republic, Myroslav Rudenko, believes that it is premature to discuss the issue of joining the DPR to Russia, since the first priority is to liberate the southeast of Ukraine "from Nazi occupation."
          10. wax
            wax 13 May 2014 14: 27
            +6
            Against the background of tactical squiggles, we have the super task - to suppress neo-Nazism throughout Ukraine,
            if possible, prevent the West from pinching even a small piece from Ukraine,
            not get involved in military operations by the army,
            break through the information blockade and show the criminal regime in Kiev to the whole world,
            drive a wedge between Europe and the USA,
            undermine the EU and NATO,
            raise Russia's authority in the world as an advocate of international law as opposed to US diplomacy
            kill the fifth column in Russia
            ensure the peaceful development of Russia for the next at least 10 years,
            create and strengthen alliances against US hegemony,
            Strengthen economic and monetary independence,
            steadily increase the standard of living of our population,
            rally oligarchs in a patriotic position
            etc.
            Well, answer two questions:
            Will the accelerated recognition of the independence of Donbass contribute to the achievement of these goals?
            and is it possible to support the population of Donbass no less efficiently without legal recognition of its independence (and, anyway, only by us, even Lukashenko will not support it) in its desire to live peacefully and in friendship with the Russian Federation.
            Personally, I answer - to the 1st question - no, to the 2nd - yes.
          11. Sandov
            Sandov 13 May 2014 16: 14
            +2
            Quote: Canep
            I don’t have a good feeling that the DNI and LC will not be accepted into Russia,

            Do not hurry. Other regions will see the independence of Donetsk and Lugansk with the capital in Slavyansk and will also wake up.
          12. nik.tmn72
            nik.tmn72 13 May 2014 18: 49
            +3
            This is not a premonition, you just think with your head. Today, the majority hangs on their ears all the noodles that the media are presented to them. Approximately a month ago, after Lovrov's speech after a meeting with the carry, it became clear that the Russian Federation was preparing to "drain" the Ukrainians, who stood up against the lawlessness of the new government in Kiev. (the same thing happened in Serbia, Pristina). After the comment, they were ready to ban me.
            I just expressed my opinion and would be glad if it would be wrong, but ...
            1. core
              core 13 May 2014 20: 38
              +2
              everything is against Novorosia and the west and our guarantor, the first does not need a Russia-friendly buffer between fascist-gay Europe and Russia, and the guarantor does not need the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC, an alternative to the oligarchy. Well, we do not make a decision, we do not hold referendums, but we could ask people how to protect the southeast from fascism.
          13. Aibolit
            Aibolit 13 May 2014 19: 49
            0
            it makes no sense, they are not uniform in their desire. get another ichkeria, see what for ....
          14. dilyanna
            dilyanna 13 May 2014 19: 52
            +1
            do not rush, wait ... you can support with words, but you can do things ... the second is more important ... and later I think everything will be as everyone wants! Maybe the option that they will be independent is quite good? the most important thing is that in any case the economy develops, the republics can adequately stand up and be protected. After putting pressure on Putin, I think he will choose tactics from the outside, but they will certainly be helped through other people and countries. He knows how to wait and that I like a few words - a lot of business! But if he has already calculated the right moves, then he will do what he sees fit and join the Republic!
          15. kocclissi
            kocclissi 13 May 2014 23: 57
            +4
            Quote: Canep
            I don’t have a good feeling that the DPR and LPR will not be part of Russia, but it is based on a statement by the presidential service of the Russian President based on the results of the referendum. They are offered to negotiate peacefully with Kiev, it looks like a kid. Let's see what Putin will answer. I think he will tactfully send it. Here is a hunch.
            I think the West will impose sanctions in any case, regardless of Russia's decision to join Donetsk and Lugansk. I think it is necessary to accept. What Putin thinks will see.

            Whether DNR and LC are lying, but it wouldn’t be so bad:
          16. gav6757
            gav6757 14 May 2014 01: 02
            +1
            unfortunately have to agree! There are too many different liberals on top of us ... And, these bastards, play not the last violin in the government, unfortunately. Who does not agree - let him explain the mysterious innocence of Serdyukov.
            It seems to me that everyone has already understood that Russia is to blame, in any case! Well, they will introduce new sanctions, these geyliki, what do we get used to? And, to support our brothers, to restore the state, in its historical borders - THIS MATTER!
            Thank you, we say to our veterans, for the Great Victory in the Second World War.
            I'd like, that used to our grandchildren, there was something to say THANKS to us !!!
          17. ver_
            ver_ 14 May 2014 04: 13
            0
            ... one we write, two went to mind ... (the rule of multiplication) .., so we were taught at school ...
          18. 573385
            573385 15 May 2014 21: 24
            -1
            40000000000 candy wrappers in Swiss banks have already said: "to negotiate peacefully with Kiev."
        2. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 13 May 2014 19: 33
          +3
          This is all wonderful. Now we know how much of the population of Donbass wants to be independent of today's Kiev, but this was obvious even before the referendum, especially after Odessa. For me personally, and for many others in Russia, what percentage of those who want independence sincerely wish to unite with Russia is more important. It is sincerely, and not due to considerations of the current conjuncture, when we are the only possible option. Like most self-respecting men, I would not want to start a family with a woman who is with me only because of the lack of other options, because I am calm and reliable. Of course, such a family can live happily ever after, but on the condition that no more attractive option appears on the horizon ...
      2. huut
        huut 13 May 2014 11: 35
        +13
        We do not recognize - they again rush to bite.
        We admit - we will protect from the junta, but maybe on the contrary we will bring war there, to them and to ourselves.
        We do not recognize it, but we will support it financially and with diplomacy - they will probably cope with their defense themselves if they are provided with resources. They will create a normal army.

        The risks must be calculated. "All at once" can be worse than gradual goal-oriented work. Is the goal to be attached or recognized? The goal is to give people safety, social protection, and work. If the third option is better suited for this, then figs with him, with recognition. Always in time.
        "Joy and happiness in the eyes" is, of course, great, only if you decide in a hurry, you can get "boys bloody in the eyes."
        Let's wait for our government to decide ...
      3. iConst
        iConst 13 May 2014 12: 08
        +8
        Quote: Nikolay S.
        The following moves are interesting. And people need to be protected. And Novorossia to collect all.

        In the hole!
        I’ll say frankly that the jingoist is patriotic, and the author, I hope, will forgive me.

        And the stakes here are not the Russians of the southeast, but something more.

        My opinion is that events (stars have developed like that) unfolded a bit prematurely. And Russia is not ready yet. Not quite ready.

        As practice has shown, the fun is to play with one goal according to the rules they invented for themselves. And these rules are akin to the rules of the game (under the CPC) between the prosecutor's office and the criminal.

        Some must collect, prove, receive recognition. The second is not obliged to anything and is free to defend himself as he pleases and whatever. Up to the physical elimination of witnesses.

        And as soon as you start playing their game with sticks, hysterical cries begin: it's not fair! You are breaking! Only we can ten on one, etc. ...

        And playing according to their rules leads to an unexpected result - they suddenly begin to understand that playing by the rules is more profitable ... with someone who can cheat as well.

        Here is just one snag - assimilating to them, we break that moral line, beyond which there is a destruction of consciousness and criteria for evaluating good and evil.
        1. iConst
          iConst 13 May 2014 12: 33
          +6
          And yet, I will express the blasphemous "banker's" thought: Donetsk and Lugansk are, of course, good, BUT!

          Is it worth it? Those. - to go "to the end" only for the sake of these two areas. I mean the "maximalist" scenario - labeling Russia as an aggressor (and even here those who sympathize with Russia in gayrope will turn their backs) and the subsequent, already real alienation?
          Now, if such a declaration of will was to Donetsk and Lugansk by the very mind ... Zhytomyr and Vinnitsa - then, unconditionally, yes.
          To drive the undead into their Galichina-Podlyuchina and not let out forever and ever.
          Incidentally - a quick search on the network of approximate borders (historical, etc.) of Galicia did not give anything - a lot of texts and not a single map.
          But only if the people want it.
          For me - so let Ukraine be even a federation, even a unitary one - only without any NATO or undead. Friendly state.

          In the meantime, you need to work with world opinion. And do not go beyond. Drop by drop.

          Something like this....
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          1. iConst
            iConst 13 May 2014 13: 24
            0
            Quote: Goodmen
            And it seems to me that good should be "with fists"!
            You can not cross the moral line, do not apply double standards, but in the face give for such miscarriages - what's bad?

            How do these two sentences correlate with each other, and even more so with morality?

            No way. The question is not whether to give in the face or not, but to whom and for what.
            1. Goodmen
              Goodmen 13 May 2014 13: 38
              +1
              Quote: iConst
              How do these two sentences correlate with each other, and even more so with morality?

              No way. The question is not whether to give in the face or not, but to whom and for what.


              The relationship is very simple, if you think about it.
              If there is honor, then you must be able to protect it. And do not persuade. Firstly, not in kindergarten, and secondly, no one listens to our entreaties anyway.
              And to whom and for what - I described it below.
              1. iConst
                iConst 13 May 2014 14: 35
                +3
                Quote: Goodmen
                The relationship is very simple, if you think about it.
                If there is honor, then you must be able to protect it.

                Again, I’m sorry, you are in the wrong steppe. My initial thesis was about methods for achieving a goal.

                For example, Ukraine: if we take the goal of those who settled in Kiev, then it is quite good - maintaining the integrity of the state. Well, who would argue that this is bad?

                Russia in both Chechens pursued the same goal.

                In the case of Ukraine, a year ago, if I’m not mistaken, the majority of the population didn’t have a question about federalization. The unitary state somehow suited everyone.

                But the undead came and began to spread rot with threats, even to life.

                And the people ran - first Crimea, then ...

                And now the most important thing: an attempt to save the country from collapse - by what methods.

                One way is to admit mistakes and try (only honestly, really) to change course (but, understandably, they won’t) allow reconciliation and removal of tension.
                The second (current) is simply to suppress dissent.

                This is what we are discussing - a moral and ethical assessment of methods in achieving goals.

                And here the position "I am right, because I am right" is very dangerous - Gleb Zheglov: "A thief should be in prison." It doesn't matter which method - I know it's bad. But the "bad" / "good" rating is always subjective.

                And from the standpoint of one person, some actions will be correct, but from the standpoint of another, they will not. Who can give the "correct" assessment - this one is right, and the other is not.
                The world is not black and white. If you look at velvet from different sides, then it changes its degree of illumination.
                1. Goodmen
                  Goodmen 14 May 2014 09: 27
                  0
                  Quote: iConst
                  For example, Ukraine: if we take the goal of those who settled in Kiev, then it is quite good - maintaining the integrity of the state. Well, who would argue that this is bad?


                  We must look at things objectively, in the context, so to speak. And do not pull out the necessary fragments.
                  We understand perfectly well that the situations in Chechnya and Ukraine are completely different.
                  And what is good and what is bad to explain in this case is not necessary.

                  Quote: iConst
                  And from the standpoint of one person, some actions will be correct, but from the standpoint of another, they will not. Who can give the "correct" assessment - this one is right, and the other is not.


                  This is demagoguery. Based on this logic, people have no right to condemn each other at all? )))
                  If a bloodthirsty ghoul wants to drink blood - he is right in his own way, this is his truth!
                  But he must die, because he brings death to others. (And you do not need to compare it with animals that kill for food. We are people. Of course, blah blah can be developed for the interests of the state, the people living in it, wars between states for the prosperity of one of them, etc., etc. d., but not necessary).
                  The same thing with Chechnya and with Ukraine.
                  The spirits also carried death, veiling this bestial truth with slogans of independence. Death for the sake of death - pawns in the hands of others, in the hands of our sworn "partners" Anglo-Saxon. The junta in Ukraine is also a weapon in the same hands.

                  So I wrote about that, that is no good for us to chew snot. We know who England and the USA are. And how they relate to us. Yes, they have their own truth. They want to destroy us for their own prosperity!
                  But in this case, we are not outside observers! We have our own truth - the truth of life! And we must protect it, and not engage in demagogy!

                  "And it seems to me that good should be" with fists "!
                  You don't have to cross the moral line, you don't need to apply double standards, but you can be punished in the face for such mischief - what's wrong with that? "


                  We know that they are evil for us!
                  And we will not ruin our moral principles for deterring evil! (I didn’t suggest bombing them when civilians died!).
          2. Grenader
            Grenader 13 May 2014 13: 58
            +2
            Quote: Goodmen
            And it seems to me that good should be "with fists"!

            It would not hurt to condemn the NSS for interfering in the affairs of sovereign states. To make a revealing speech to the UN to cite the facts of the presence of American PMCs, the activities of the CIA.
          3. psg72
            psg72 13 May 2014 15: 54
            +4
            Once again, speedy decisions are indefinable in politics, but stop chewing sanctions from geyropa and the usa. RUSSIA is not Iraq, Iran, etc. With the great powers it is impossible. We need an adequate answer. I hope everything will be decided after Putin’s trip to China.
      4. Val_y
        Val_y 13 May 2014 13: 12
        +6
        Exactly, now there will be all the kneading in Odessa, I would say the key city is the key, if it does it, then Kherson and Nikolaev will succeed automatically, both the USA and the Geyrop and Natsik ruins understand this, as well as Ben Kolomoisky (ugh) from that and around the city the checkpoints are no longer right-handed, but someone in American uniform with RPGs and machine guns, the bags were replaced with concrete blocks, and two armored so that ... but during the occupation (and now the city is under occupation) there was an underground and now there is ( burned a bunch of cars with Lviv license plates, filled up some of the identified legal eks who were on May 2 on the Kulikovo field ... The war ...
      5. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 13 May 2014 13: 19
        +5
        Nikolay S. (1)
        And people need to be protected. And Novorossia to collect all


        First you need to create on the basis of the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics - the Federal Republic of Novorossia, which was announced by one of the leaders of the Southeast Tsarev, with its subsequent expansion for the entire Southeast.
        At the same time, Russia should render all possible assistance to Novorossia in the struggle against Bandera Ukraine, and only then, by the will of the people of Novorossia, raise the question of its inclusion in Russia in a referendum.
        You can’t throw the Russian South-East of Ukraine, i.e. New Russia, the destruction of the Nazis Bandera, this is the first.
        And secondly, a gradual development of events is needed that does not allow the situation to develop into a phase of war between Russia, the USA and NATO.
      6. Sandov
        Sandov 13 May 2014 16: 12
        +4
        Quote: Nikolay S.
        The following moves are interesting. And people need to be protected. And Novorossia to collect all.

        You have to hurry with this matter slowly. At this stage, independence from banderlogs is needed, but we'll see. Now weapons, ammunition and grub.
      7. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey 14 May 2014 15: 32
        0
        Or maybe to conclude an agreement on friendship and mutual assistance with the independent states of Novorossia and at the first stage it is not necessary to legally introduce it into the Russian Federation, well, everything else according to the scenario, and let the rest wipe off - as an option?
      8. Kisel
        Kisel 15 May 2014 21: 06
        0
        Dual power in two areas: what control the militias in Ukraine
        Thu, 15/05/2014 - 11:19 | Xexen
    2. Veter
      Veter 13 May 2014 08: 34
      +3
      Quote: Veles75
      nada they put a medical mask on them Schaub did not hit us

      A better white slippers))
      1. Wels75
        Wels75 13 May 2014 08: 51
        +1
        Do you think it's time?))))
        1. Veter
          Veter 13 May 2014 09: 30
          +1
          Quote: Veles75
          Do you think it's time?))))

          Just yesterday))
        2. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 14 May 2014 20: 08
          0
          I think it's high time!
    3. the villain
      the villain 15 May 2014 01: 30
      0
      Quote: Veles75
      nada they put a medical mask on them Schaub did not hit us

      Better muzzle lol
  2. e_krendel
    e_krendel 13 May 2014 07: 46
    +1
    rather, in its own "jam" wassat
  3. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 13 May 2014 07: 46
    +4
    Quote: Oleg56.ru
    The West will choke on its own saliva. tongue

    In his th .. he does not choke!
    Good morning everyone!
  4. from punk
    from punk 13 May 2014 07: 50
    +7
    Quote: Oleg56.ru
    The West will choke on its own saliva.

    ask you to choke on and GDP will certainly not flog a fever. Everything will be fine. time works for us
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 13 May 2014 09: 25
      +3
      Yes, Putin acknowledges and accepts, even in the UN Charter it is written that the expression of the will and self-determination of the people is a manifestation of democracy (democracy (Greek).
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 13 May 2014 16: 27
        +2
        Quote: Igor39
        Yes, Putin acknowledges and accepts, even in the UN Charter it is written that the expression of the will and self-determination of the people is a manifestation of democracy (democracy (Greek).

        The Americans have recognized Kosovo, and we recognize ours.
        1. Corsair0304
          Corsair0304 14 May 2014 10: 51
          0
          Another thing is that behind the Americans, to their tune, Kosovo also recognized the geyropa, than they gained the necessary number of votes to recognize legitimacy.
          And who will follow us? Well recognize, and then? It is necessary to assemble a coalition of countries that would, together with Russia, sign a confession, but this is not a quick matter, unfortunately.
          In the meantime, help with weapons, especially RPGs / MANPADS / RPOs, ammunition and grubs. It is possible - as volunteers, to disguise them as PMCs, let the Luhansk residents invite / hire them for a nominal fee.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 13 May 2014 12: 07
      +12
      Quote: punk
      . everything will be fine. time is working for us

      Agree! You can recognize a referendum, you can recognize the Republic. BUT - it's too early to join the RF. Consider also the psychology of the "brainwashed". Why am I doing this? I think that there will be more referendums on federalization and on the creation of a NEW state, because The EU will definitely bite off the memory. There will also be a referendum in Kiev - of course later, and again - THE REMAINING PART OF UKRAINE WILL BE EASIER TO JOIN LIKE TO THEIR OWN (i.e. DNR) than to immediately recognize the entry into the Russian Federation. Therefore, entry into the Russian Federation is early, and I think that this has been calculated, and maybe even agreed. Namely, so that there are no claims to the Russian Federation from the EU and the USA. And only then there will be a new, friendly state to the Russian Federation, and cleared of banderlog.
      1. Anisim1977
        Anisim1977 13 May 2014 13: 01
        +4
        The main thing is to definitely help set up the economy of Donbass.
        And give money and help experts. The revolution and other things are good, but better on a full stomach. Then, the inhabitants of Donbass are calmer to Vladimir Vladimirovich’s multi-ways. hi
  5. smel
    smel 13 May 2014 08: 00
    +5
    Quote: Oleg56.ru
    The West will choke on its own saliva. tongue

    More precisely in my own shit
  6. AVV
    AVV 13 May 2014 10: 08
    +7
    Quote: Oleg56.ru
    The West will choke on its own saliva. tongue

    Yes, we essentially have nothing to lose, all sanctions have already been announced, and Donbas and Lugansk, in order to bring the matter to an end, need to take the border with Russia into our own hands, leave only those border guards who have recognized the new reality in accordance with referenda, to drive the rest to junta !!! The same thing to do with military units, the sooner the better until the Kiev ur.ods on the 25th are legalized !!! Then it will be harder to do !!!
  7. asar
    asar 13 May 2014 11: 05
    +1
    Yes, even let them drown in their own slops! laughing
  8. Sterlya
    Sterlya 13 May 2014 11: 13
    +8
    I am for. Shoot so shoot. And what will the West bark to me to the bulb. And their goods are the same to me. We do not live in one west. if we leave, history will not forgive us.
    But first, they need to carry out the necessary procedures. The choice of power, and so on. By that time, the "crap" will get used to it
  9. waisson
    waisson 13 May 2014 13: 20
    +18
    --------------- hi
  10. cat 1970
    cat 1970 14 May 2014 08: 47
    0
    I agree, but we also need to prepare, first of all, the Air Force, but for now it seems to me these republics need to hold out, and volunteers will help. Norms if it's government policy. If not, then "Alles Feuer", from the European side. And then we also PUSH ON ,,,,. It was just then that Europe, and first of all all the BALTS - a scribe ....
  11. NEXUS
    NEXUS 15 May 2014 14: 36
    +4
    the west and so all comes out with anger and saliva from its helplessness ... but I'm thinking about accepting Donetsk and Lugansk into the Russian Federation it's too early to talk ... of course we help and recognize, but ... the west should come to the conclusion that Russia is a state with its own interests and ambitions, and once again quarreling with it is more dear ... already now in Germany, the media and newspapers are beginning to bend the media and newspapers, gradually going over to the side of Putin's policy ... Putin is waiting for the West to "mature" .. not the heads of state, but the popular opinion of these states ... and I don't think it's long left to wait ... let's look at the ratings and opinion about Obama in the United States or the same Merkel ... I repeat, it's too early to talk about joining, but THE IDEA IS THAT GOOD !!!
  • Wels75
    Wels75 13 May 2014 07: 41
    +30
    Good morning everyone!
    Oleg Tsarev today announced (Russia 24) that the DPR and LPR will unite in one republic of Novorossia.
    And oh how I don’t envy right now !!!
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 13 May 2014 07: 50
      +21
      Quote: Veles75
      Good morning everyone! Oleg Tsarev today announced (Russia 24) that the DPR and LPR will unite in one republic of Novorossia. But oh how I do not envy Vladimirovich right now !!!

      Let them unite, and the neighbors also need to be restrained, let the referendums be held in New Russia! It seems to me (maybe this will seem cynical to someone), Novorossia should be used as a bridgehead for the liberation of the remaining areas, and then taken to Russia or the TS, in full force! hi
      1. sim6
        sim6 13 May 2014 08: 54
        +18
        If Novorossia will have 9 regions from the former Ukraine, then it is possible to remain a separate, but pro-Russian country, like Belarus. We will have everything we need, and production and ports and land. For Russia, the plus is that it is another member of the CU, and for everything else, it’s like a separate voice. And so, of course, the ruble zone, the nominal border, etc. But, guys, the mood in all other areas (assumed by New Russia) is clearly different, subjectively, there are much fewer pro-Russian people there than in the Donbass. Donbass has always stood apart in Ukraine. A very close relationship with Russia, in terms of people. Therefore, it will not work at once to create New Russia, it is necessary that the rest of the regions feel all the delights of the junta on themselves and begin to sway actively.
        1. old man
          old man 13 May 2014 09: 49
          +7
          The guys all have their time, the rush is needed when catching fleas or f. E. Another's wife. Remember in the Donbass, most also sat quietly at first, and even now they are not burning with a special desire to fight. And the majority voted. So with the coordinated actions of the opposition is not far off and we are waiting for the rest of the region. Now Donbass must be freed first and foremost.
        2. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 13 May 2014 13: 36
          +4
          Quote: sim6
          If Novorossia will have 9 regions from the former Ukraine, then it is possible to remain a separate, but pro-Russian country, like Belarus.

          you can’t ...
          firstly, not so Belarus and pro-Russian ...
          secondly, what prevents the star-strikers from stirring up the same scenario already in New Russia?
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS 15 May 2014 14: 45
          +4
          GAZPROM demanded the repayment of Ukraine’s gas debts ... Russia is crushing financially, knocking the huntarast from under its feet ... and this is also part of the help from the Russian side ... it was decided that if the junta pays gas bills, there’s no money will ... add to this non-payment to people of pensions, salaries, etc. ... I think these sorrows of politicians in Kiev, Ukrainians themselves will figure out in cells
    2. Chaldon1974
      Chaldon1974 13 May 2014 07: 53
      +8
      I agree completely. Vladimir Vladimirovich is really not envied now. What has been developed with the EU for a decade can now be very easily destroyed and they can jump off our needle (gas, oil), although at a loss. In star-striped this is one of the main tasks.
      1. hommer
        hommer 13 May 2014 10: 44
        +6
        Quote: Chaldon1974
        they can jump off our needle (gas, oil), although at a loss


        At a loss?
        I beg of you. Poor you Europeans know, for a cent they’ll strangle themselves.
        And then losses in very serious amounts will arise.
        Less is not from me.
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 13 May 2014 13: 37
          +2
          Quote: hommer
          At a loss?
          I beg of you. Poor you Europeans know, for a cent they’ll strangle themselves.
          And then losses in very serious amounts will arise.
          Less is not from me.


          I’m afraid that Europe may not have a chance to make a decision that is beneficial for itself ...
    3. Anisim1977
      Anisim1977 13 May 2014 13: 02
      +1
      And if the GRU does not have a plan for this case, then I will not envy them even more. hi
  • dimarm74
    dimarm74 13 May 2014 07: 47
    +28
    We must take them to the Federation, to Russia, and not even think. They know how to work. These two regions account for 25-30% of Ukraine’s GDP. After all, we feed so many loafers in the Caucasus. And here are their own, Russian people, especially not loafers. Let there be a difficult period of 1-2 adaptations. But everything will settle down. Spit on this west and the US ... they went to .... away ....
    1. igor36
      igor36 13 May 2014 08: 28
      +15
      Quote: dimarm74
      These two areas give 25-30% of Ukraine’s GDP

      This is far from the case. Actually, two times less, a little more than 15%.
      But this is still not the point, the main thing is the Russian people and if Russia doesn’t
      If they can protect them from Western fascists, then we (Russians) will simply be morally destroyed, which is not comparable with any sanctions.
    2. Onotollah
      Onotollah 13 May 2014 09: 01
      +9
      Quote: dimarm74
      We must take them to the Federation, to Russia, and not even think

      In my opinion, they are unlikely to be accepted right now, but they will provide assistance in all areas, including military ones. They will post a bunch of projects and support them with money, food, and resources.
      The fact is that Putin is unlikely to leave Ukraine in the clutches of anal democratizers.
      As they say: we need peace. And preferably all. laughing
      And so, from the Republic of Novorossiya the growth of the Russian Empire will continue.
      And what claims to Russia: we asked to postpone the referendum, we do not interfere in politics, we provide assistance for reasons of humanity and completely free of charge. And in general we are polite and fluffy.
      And the fact that the Republic of Novorossia has the latest weapons and technologies is how they themselves achieved everything due to hard work and democracy.
    3. Syrdon
      Syrdon 13 May 2014 09: 56
      0
      why do you think that loafers are sitting in the Caucasus?
      1. dimarm74
        dimarm74 13 May 2014 11: 01
        +2
        They may not be idlers, but they are of no use to the state. They work for themselves, taxes to the federal budget are scanty from the republics of the North Caucasus. You can see for yourself. Take documents from the website of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation. View the Federal Law "On the Federal Budget for 2011-2013", and for any previous years (or rather, the "Report on the Federal Budget Execution" on revenues). And then look at the expenditure side - transfers, grants, subventions, etc. to these republics. And everything will become clear. How much this pleasure costs all of Russia.
        1. Anisim1977
          Anisim1977 13 May 2014 13: 06
          +1
          Well, by this logic, we all stick out to the Chukchi and the Eskimos, the people are minuscule and the exhaust gives ........
          Enough about everything fed and stuff - we are not a geyropa so measured.
  • denchik1977
    denchik1977 13 May 2014 07: 50
    +7
    Today, the moment of truth has come for Russia. We must show the whole world that we are one great people. We must prove to everyone that by no sanctions and threats we can not be broken or intimidated ...
  • dimarm74
    dimarm74 13 May 2014 07: 51
    +11
    And it's not even about the money. The main capital there is human. This is 7 million Russian people
  • Balamyt
    Balamyt 13 May 2014 07: 52
    +7
    Yes! Problem! Though expected, but no less acute from this! I think we need to pause. One that only Putin knows how to keep! And while the president is silent, the West will itself offer a lot of options for resolving this issue. Let's choose the best, adapt a little, and go!
  • Mi-8
    Mi-8 13 May 2014 07: 53
    +7
    We must accept it as part of the Russian Federation, Russia does not like the West in any form, so we send the West by 3 letters and unite. Welcome home Donbass. There you see and other regions catch up.
  • Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 13 May 2014 07: 53
    +4
    Sanctions ... ah, sick of it. We have not really done anything yet, and they are regularly written to us. Logically, you really need to do something to at least suffer for the cause

    It’s for sure that whatever they were doing was inactive, it’s all the same to blame, I think our government will make the right decision, let Westerners with their w .. polyses tear their hair in one place, brushing the evil foam out of their mouth !! New Russia, we are with you !!
  • Junior, I
    Junior, I 13 May 2014 07: 54
    +2
    Yes, Putin will have a hard time, but nowhere to retreat. All the same, wherever you look, WE, the Russians are to blame. One sanction more, one less, no one will notice. From the WTO and START-3 need to urgently exit. There, for sure, nothing good shines for us, and it did not shine.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 13 May 2014 07: 59
      +2
      Thousands of times this START has already been discussed here. you at least read what it is and what it is eaten with. so the desire to get medium-range missiles again with a flight time of 5-7 minutes to Moscow?
      1. nicollider
        nicollider 13 May 2014 08: 10
        +4
        And so they are, these missiles, are in the same Poland. They will be put there anyway.
        1. forsait
          forsait 13 May 2014 08: 36
          +3
          Right Anti-missiles can also be successfully used as high-precision medium-range missiles for ground targets (the Americans have already used them). Flight time 3-5 min.
  • sanek0207
    sanek0207 13 May 2014 07: 54
    +3
    Correctly! Admit to the Federation, time will cure everything and restore. And if all goes well, calmly, then it WILL BE VISIBLE, THE PEOPLE ARE SEEER! And the West, yes, he always barked at us that he should now listen, and who are they to point us out !? Let them figure it out in their gamepads. EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE!
  • Shadow1
    Shadow1 13 May 2014 07: 54
    +2
    Quote: dimarm74
    We must take them to the Federation, to Russia, and not even think. They know how to work. These two regions account for 25-30% of Ukraine’s GDP. After all, we feed so many loafers in the Caucasus. And here are their own, Russian people, especially not loafers. Let there be a difficult period of 1-2 adaptations. But everything will settle down. Spit on this west and the US ... they went to .... away ....

    I support. WE ARE RUSSIANS! WE WILL BREAK through!
  • samotlor
    samotlor 13 May 2014 07: 55
    +2
    I think Putin has smart advisers who will solve this issue with the least financial and other losses.
  • -Patriot-
    -Patriot- 13 May 2014 07: 55
    +6
    To be a new constituent entity of the Russian Federation, or will we start flirting with the West again? No, enough, they are an alien civilization alien to us, we have our own, original civilization. The Slavs must unite because our time has come.
  • Cormorants
    Cormorants 13 May 2014 07: 57
    +4
    We live in a very interesting time, I would say we are witnessing such events ..! Hooray comrades!
  • Sergg
    Sergg 13 May 2014 07: 57
    +16
    Imagine a battle going on, a wounded comrade nearby asks you for help, if you help him they can kill you because there is a fire to kill, if you quit then you can save your life, but you will become a bitch for the rest of your life. There is no time to think.

    What will we choose ???

    You can imagine the joy and inspiration of the unification of the Russian lands! You can’t buy it for any money in the world.
  • Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 13 May 2014 08: 05
    +2
    And what did Kharkov, Zaporozhye and Odessa decide?
    The train will go on schedule!
    Crimea - no military action - no
    East - punitive operations
    What will be waiting for them? .... If they don’t sit in the compartment. Extermination or life under fascism?
    1. tracer
      tracer 14 May 2014 07: 36
      +1
      A friend came from Kharkov two weeks ago. He told me what and how. Now he comes back. Kharkov is with us, with Russia. People in Kharkov say that he himself staged the attempt on Kernes. To escape to Israel. There are too many facts of this particular version. Even the fact (whether he was a four-time athlete) fired from several tens of meters into the stomach with a 7,62 / 54 R caliber would have led to, if not instant death from a strong water hammer (828 m / s), then at least a few days later. And he already got better so quickly that he started giving interviews almost on the 3rd day in Israel ... Robyat ...? The problem of the Kharkov supporters of reunification with Russia (let's call a spade a spade) is that the activists were quickly jailed in several stages, very cunningly. But this is a fact. All Kharkov is ready to support the uprising, but there are no organizers and coordinators .. People are waiting for this, and are ready to go against the junta by any means. Very, very many people there are ready to financially and in whatever way they want to support "federalism" (according to information from Kharkov) if a nucleus of resistance to the junta reappears there. They dream of one thing, and it's true ... The Russian Army would rather enter ..
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  • maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 13 May 2014 08: 06
    +3
    Yes, the EU threatens sanctions until the cold comes! they will not be able to abandon our gas until 2016! and if they refuse and switch to shale - it will be clearly more expensive! they don’t know the Russian proverb - prepare a sled in the summer!
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 13 May 2014 09: 06
      +6
      maxxdesign
      Yes, the EU threatens sanctions until the cold comes!

      There is no gas ..... Evolution has gone the other way!
      1. Michael_59
        Michael_59 13 May 2014 19: 41
        0
        Quote: Ruswolf
        There is no gas .....

        There is no brain ...
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  • nicollider
    nicollider 13 May 2014 08: 06
    +1
    I agree with the opinion of the author. They didn’t write out sanctions to us, and they, like the dollar, are not provided with anything. Eton, apparently, issued an advance. Some work needs to be done. Under this advance, finally.
  • Rus86
    Rus86 13 May 2014 08: 06
    +7
    The West will not forgive this and that, but the Memory and History of Russia is more important. Vladimir Vladimirovich, we believe in you.
  • nizrum
    nizrum 13 May 2014 08: 08
    +2
    DNR asked, but Novorossia didn’t ask ... if they were in a hurry ...
    I think Putin will say: Accept, but hold a referendum first. (Time will pull).
    Meanwhile, the DPR will unite with the LPR, there you look and Kharkov and Odessa catch up ...
    Well, in such a composition, there is already nothing to join in, and so the new country of New Russia will be extended. request
  • mig31
    mig31 13 May 2014 08: 08
    +2
    The dilemma is still that ... or ......, or on horseback. I think there is a solution and it is right ...
  • Gagarin
    Gagarin 13 May 2014 08: 09
    +27
    I think after a short pause, Putin’s expected response to Novorossia will be not only positive, but also as non-standard as all his previous moves.
    We all hope and wait.
    1. Anisim1977
      Anisim1977 13 May 2014 13: 11
      +1
      I do not exclude such a feint with my ears:
      May 25 at the same sites in Novorossia vote, but for the exit from the independence and the formation of Novorossia-some elections want recognition, let others recognize, and I think the print out of the ballots is not so difficult. hi
  • Curbstone xnumx
    Curbstone xnumx 13 May 2014 08: 12
    0
    It is very undesirable for the Russian Federation to accept Novorossiya into its membership now. It would be nice to help create a new, independent, friendly state.
  • nicollider
    nicollider 13 May 2014 08: 13
    +2
    I think that GDP will decide on the inclusion of new areas in the Empire. Just impose a condition, like, put things in order, well, or something like that. And you can bring order to Lviv
  • aleks700
    aleks700 13 May 2014 08: 17
    +3
    The author! Well done! And they minus me for the same thing. crying
    1. jayich
      jayich 13 May 2014 14: 49
      0
      Keep away from me + drinks
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  • Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 13 May 2014 08: 17
    +2
    It takes time to calm down. Support should be provided politically and in cash. Then not only the announcement, but also the acquisition of real independence. And then the admission to Russia. And in the heat of fire you can break so much firewood ... hi
  • Sibiryak13
    Sibiryak13 13 May 2014 08: 18
    +2
    You can’t retreat, and nowhere. Two newly made republics will have to be accepted into the Russian Federation. Well, the GDP will deal with Western Conchits. Where are these little-groomed without Russia.
  • PDM80
    PDM80 13 May 2014 08: 25
    +2
    The author said a lot of good things, but there is a lot, but now in Ukraine there is a situation somewhat reminiscent of Chechnya of the 90s, then Chechnya wanted to secede from Russia and, according to the West, was waging a war for independence, Russia used regular troops there. It is clear, of course, that the militants in Chechnya cannot be compared with the militia, but nonetheless. As for the sanctions and silence of Putin, in my opinion Medvedev and Milir have already said that since June they paid as much gas as they received. There is nothing to pay Ukraine, it means they will be tying, and already Europe will have to harness it, and it will not work to stand aside. And the South-East should be recognized as Abkhazia as a state, included in the Customs Union.
  • noskov
    noskov 13 May 2014 08: 26
    +3
    Heck! I do not envy the Commander-in-Chief. The dilemma is simply unrealistic. I don't know what I could solve in this situation. After all, the heart says one thing, but reason and calculation are probably in the opposite direction? I really respect him. With all the many disadvantages - CRIMEA FAT PLUS to him! We will see what he will do. I think most likely, these areas will still be in the status of unrecognized, but our partners in military-technical cooperation and under our tacit military presence. until they pile on the "huntyats". Then the negotiations, the border agreement and that was all. And Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, Kharkov, Zaporozhye - alas !!! They have already merged in my opinion. And themselves. There is no locomotive. there is no leader. NO WILL TO VICTORY!
    1. Syrdon
      Syrdon 13 May 2014 10: 00
      +4
      I think everything is simpler. The number one task is to collect as many regions of Ukraine as possible under the flag of New Russia, and most importantly cut it off from the sea. further recognize and make a member of the CU, without official accession to Russia.
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 13 May 2014 12: 49
        +2
        Novel hi Thank you for the article.

        I think the solution will be much more "Solomon".
        And the question is not at all whether we are afraid of someone or not. And the fact is that before finally breaking through Ukraine, the Kremlin will wait for all bets to be at stake to make their last.
        I think so.

        In addition, it is obvious that Kiev, like that fish, is already rotting with might and main. Gas business and Donetsk-Lugansk independence, this process will accelerate.


        Quote: Syrdon
        I think everything is simpler. The number one task is to collect as many regions of Ukraine as possible under the flag of New Russia, and most importantly cut it off from the sea. further recognize and make a member of the CU, without official accession to Russia.

        +1
  • mackonya
    mackonya 13 May 2014 08: 31
    +3
    Yes, residents of Donetsk and Luhansk regions have proven that the forces of the people's militia can resist Nat. guard (that is, the Right Sector), it would be unworthy to refuse them. And the 4th package of sanctions is already known and will affect entire industries, but here it should be borne in mind that the EU will most likely not support the 4th package of sanctions, especially if there is a multibillion-dollar trade turnover in these industries. And the United States for itself can accept at least the 7th order sanctions. As far as I know, Russia and the United States have a trade turnover of a little over 40 billion and intersectoral cooperation is very poorly developed, they seem to have abandoned engines, although now they have decided to change their minds they really need Russian engines. Therefore, I think it is necessary to request the Federation Council and at the same time hold a "wave" of rallies in support of Donetsk and Lugansk, as it was with Crimea and then two more subjects will come to the Russian Federation, and then you will see Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov and Odessa. The most important thing here is the people's choice, because the people are the true source of power.
  • SLX
    SLX 13 May 2014 08: 31
    +7
    But, Russians, we have already seen how the eyes of Crimeans shone with sincere joy and happiness.


    They honestly deserved this joy and happiness, moreover, with the whole world and with insane (at that time) risks for themselves.

    Really will not become the same hope and support for the same Russian Donbass?


    We will not. Big politics is pragmatic and does not tolerate emotions. In it, in the first place, the interests of their own state and its citizens play a role. And everything else is secondary. It is in Russia's interests to have buffer friendly states on its borders, and not to hang on its neck problems that can make your legs break and probably break.

    Russia and Putin have already recognized the popular will in the form of a referendum in the so far unrecognized republics. But these referenda did not address the issue of joining Russia. Therefore, hope and support are in one basket, international law is in another, and the interests of Russia and its citizens are in the third.

    Especially for those who did not sit out at home, but stood to death against fascist evil spirits in Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Mariupol, Krasnogvardeisk?


    Overwhelming majority stayed out. Unlike Crimeans. And this is fundamental. Who did not have time - he was late. Ce la vie. Now for yourself. And Russia and the Russians will help. But only when they themselves.

    And for political refugees from Ukraine, Russia must open the door. Those who want to live peacefully on their land will have to strain and defend their right.

    Do we have the right to refuse?


    We have. At a minimum, people forgot to ask how it was in Crimea.

    We do not have. Historically, genetically, but hell knows what. But the Russians in their war do not abandon. This we, it seems, already understood.


    There is no need to equate "refuse admission to Russia" and "abandon" - these are fundamentally different things.
    1. Silhouette
      Silhouette 13 May 2014 10: 59
      +1
      Make no mistake, we have been in Donbas for a long time. For those who are not in the know, I recommend watching the video on YouTube "Polite assault on the city police department in Kramatorsk", where polite people with machine guns politely ask onlookers to leave behind POREBRIK. The problem is that a curb is called a curb only in St. Petersburg. Ukrainians do not know this word, as well as Yaroslavl and Muscovites.
      1. P-38
        P-38 13 May 2014 14: 02
        +3
        And in Rostov they also say so. Maybe the Rostovites were? Dear "silhouette", "curb" is the building stone from which the border is made, and its pronunciation does not prove any territorial affiliation of the speaker
        1. Yurban
          Yurban 13 May 2014 14: 33
          0
          Well done, he said it right.
        2. Silhouette
          Silhouette 13 May 2014 14: 40
          +1
          Dear R-38! I dare to note that the curb, like the curb, is made of granite, and not of "building stone". But it's not that. Maybe there were people from Rostov, I don't know. But definitely not Ukrainians.
          I always recognize Petersburgers not only by the "curb", but also by the "chicken", "greche", "front" and other words. I have never been wrong.
        3. Rostovchanin
          Rostovchanin 13 May 2014 16: 52
          +1
          And in Rostov they also say so. Maybe the Rostovites were? Dear "silhouette", "curb" is the building stone from which the border is made, and its pronunciation does not prove any territorial affiliation of the speaker

          confirm ... curb
      2. Capitalist
        Capitalist 13 May 2014 14: 40
        -8
        In my opinion, only the hose does not know that the "Donetsk militia" is recruited throughout the territory of the former CIS (although there are locals there too) and is fighting for Yanukovych's money. it is not surprising that the characters from Peter meet.

        For example, the famous "Babai" - Alexander Mozhaev, a citizen of Russia, a native of the Krasnodar Territory. between times - wanted for some article .. and so on.

        Sobsvetstvenno in this way it is not surprising that there are people from St. Petersburg, it is surprising that while there is no from Beijing - the dough then Yanukovych still normally has)
        1. iConst
          iConst 13 May 2014 14: 47
          +2
          Quote: Capitalist
          In my opinion, only the hose does not know that the "Donetsk militia" is recruited throughout the territory of the former CIS (although there are locals there too) and is fighting for Yanukovych's money.

          You yourself probably give out a salary? Let the legible sign in the statements ... laughing
    2. Kail_seven
      Kail_seven 13 May 2014 11: 51
      +5
      Quote: SLX
      But, Russians, we have already seen how the eyes of Crimeans shone with sincere joy and happiness.

      They honestly deserved this joy and happiness, moreover, with the whole world and with insane (at that time) risks for themselves.


      Of course, I am glad that everything ended so successfully for the Crimea, and yes they deserved to be part of the Russian Federation with their firm position, but for the sake of objectivity, I must say.
      1. Yes, a lot of people gathered, but in Donetsk there was no less.
      2. Yes, a militia was formed, but the parliament was not occupied by the militia ...
      3. The overwhelming majority of the Crimeans were also unarmed; also showed passive support. Personally, I saw the number of militias was not much more than the "polite people" who appeared immediately after raising the Russian flag over the Crimean parliament.
      4. About
      Quote: SLX
      with insane (at that time) risks for yourself.
      , Donbass and Luganchina have much higher risks, they don’t have a base near the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation and an isthmus that was blocked in the first days by a small amount of Crimean Golden Eagle. So your reproach is at least not fair.
      1. SLX
        SLX 13 May 2014 20: 28
        0
        Quote: Kail_Seven
        but for the sake of objectivity it is necessary to say.


        Decisions in big politics are made not for the sake of objectivity, but for purely pragmatic purposes and nothing else.

        But let's talk about objectivity:

        Quote: Kail_Seven
        1. Yes, a lot of people gathered, but in Donetsk there was no less.


        1). Less on orders.
        2). Activity in the SE was significantly less.
        3). This activity had very limited lines of expression.
        4). This activity was of a point territorial character, and in these territories it had a local character.

        Quote: Kail_Seven
        2. Yes, a militia was formed, but the parliament was not occupied by the militia ...


        No one bothered to form a militia in the southeast. It is full of professional officers who are aware of how to make at least some semblance of a soldier out of a fat-bellied volunteer in the shortest possible time, feed him and provide others with the necessary, organize reconnaissance, communications, rear services and other necessary actions. At the same time, in the territory of the southeast there are plenty of storage bases for the Moscow Region and the Ministry of Internal Affairs with weapons, ammunition and even heavy equipment.

        Here are just a large number of volunteers willing to die in SE did not find. So, for example, combat-ready armored vehicles equipped with fuels and lubricants and ammunition in the same Slavyansk stood in dead defense and only occasionally crawled out to checkpoints to support them. Because it is necessary to take risks. And just a well-prepared night raid on peacefully sleeping law-breakers would give a much greater effect than all their long confrontation. Yes, and it would be possible to get another BTT.

        Quote: Kail_Seven
        The vast majority of Crimeans were also unarmed, i.e. also showed passive support.


        No! There was active support for unarmed Crimeans. Because going to a crowded rally with demands is not passive support. and the most active. And in the Donbass, for example, after Odessa, did thousands of angry crowds in a united united outburst pass? If they did, then for some reason even the engaged Russian television did not notice and did not show them.

        Quote: Kail_Seven
        Personally, I saw the number of militias was not much more than the "polite people" who appeared immediately after raising the Russian flag over the Crimean parliament.


        In Crimea, the militia not only worked at checkpoints - a great deal of work was done by the control apparatus. And in SE there is still no political leader with a coherent and satisfactory majority program of action. Maidan also began with the struggle against, not having and not wanting to have the slightest idea what will happen next.

        Quote: Kail_Seven
        Donbass and Luganchina have much higher risks, they don’t have a base near the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation and an isthmus that was blocked in the first days by a small amount of Crimean Golden Eagle. So your reproach is at least not fair.


        But I do not blame anyone for anything - I calmly draw conclusions, trying to justify them as far as strength and knowledge. The risks of Crimea were orders of magnitude higher due to uncertainty and uncertainty. And the base of the Black Sea Fleet is not only advantages, but also additional risks.
        1. Kail_seven
          Kail_seven 14 May 2014 11: 35
          +1
          Listen to SLX, I was in Crimea when the events took place, and in Donetsk, I am talking about what I saw with my own eyes, and your analysis, judging by what you write, is based on media information. It is pointless to argue who is the best fellow, how and how many people come out and after which, now the processes that are taking place are more important, it is not for us to decide who is worthy of inclusion in the Russian Federation, and who is not worthy, whom to include in the composition, and from whom to create a "buffer" ...
          1. iConst
            iConst 14 May 2014 13: 42
            -1
            Quote: Kail_Seven
            it is not for us to decide who is worthy of being included in the Russian Federation, and who is not worthy, whom to include, and from whom to create a "buffer".

            Yes! I recognize only one buffer, or rather a couple of buffers! laughing

            PS: I just to defuse the situation ...
          2. SLX
            SLX 15 May 2014 23: 15
            0
            Quote: Kail_Seven
            Listen to SLX, I was in the Crimea when the events took place, and in Donetsk, I’m talking about what I saw with my own eyes, and judging by the fact that you are writing, your analysis is based on media information


            With your own eyes, you could see only a small part. But then your judgments are similar to those of an ordinary infantry, talking about the shortcomings of the front headquarters in Operation Bagration. This is not to offend you, but in order to figuratively show the discrepancy between the level of information "I saw with my own eyes" to the level of conclusions "the majority in Donbass".

            Quote: Kail_Seven
            It’s pointless to argue who is the greatest fellow,


            Agree to all 100!

            Quote: Kail_Seven
            it is not for us to decide who is worthy of being included in the Russian Federation, and who is not worthy, whom to include, and from whom to create a "buffer".


            And here I do not agree to all 100! We live in this country. And, more importantly for me, our children and grandchildren live in this country. And such discussions also form public opinion, which even Comrade Stalin could not ignore.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 13 May 2014 08: 31
    +1
    Quote: Chaldon1974
    I agree completely. Vladimir Vladimirovich is really not envied now. What has been developed with the EU for a decade can now be very easily destroyed and they can jump off our needle (gas, oil), although at a loss. In star-striped this is one of the main tasks.

    Would you jump from steam heating to stove, especially in winter !? And the stove needs to be heated with wood, on this Vladimirovich said: "And where are they !? They are in Siberia!"
    1. Chaldon1974
      Chaldon1974 13 May 2014 09: 28
      +2
      There is a kind, but very dear Uncle SAM. Which needs to close up holes in the budget. So he is trying to reorient Europe to its products. From here, in my opinion and not only, Ukraine cannot be built on the South Stream either.
  • mamont5
    mamont5 13 May 2014 08: 33
    +2
    So far, Putin has done this:

    "Russian President Vladimir Putin supports the mediation of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe to de-escalate the Ukrainian crisis," the OSCE said after a telephone conversation between its president and Putin.
    Putin’s agreement means that the OSCE plan has received positive responses from Russia, Ukraine, the European Union and the United States, the international organization emphasizes.

    The roadmap developed by the OSCE indicates a pragmatic path for moving from a logic of escalation to a logic of cooperation and enhancing stability in the region, the OSCE adds.

    It is aimed at non-violence, disarmament, national dialogue and elections and involves supporting the Ukrainian government in creating a favorable climate for organizing free and fair elections throughout the country on May 25, the OSCE adds. "
    http://www.bfm.ru/news/257578

    We expect that Donetsk and Lugansk will answer this. Will they sit at a common negotiating table.
  • Jarilo
    Jarilo 13 May 2014 08: 34
    +2
    Everything that the official authorities of America say, and with them, in solidarity, other countries, must be divided into two. I emphasize, this is their official position, which they express on the basis of their interests, and they are right or wrong to them anyway. And we just need to understand what our interests are and act in accordance with them.
  • Sirius-2
    Sirius-2 13 May 2014 08: 37
    +16
    I was born in the USSR. My childhood was spent in the conditions of the Cold War, and I felt great! I had my own self. Then there were the 90s ...
    And now, when, together with the Motherland, I groped for my "I" they scare me with sanctions !!! No! And let the whole world go to hell, I want to be myself, and for Russia to be itself!
    Adopt new republics! And then let it be worse, the main thing is to be yourself!

    PS To be against everyone, not against the majority, against everyone! Such adrenaline !!! And why should Putin be afraid? If he makes this decision, he will stand in a row with the collectors of Russian lands forever.
    1. 787nkx
      787nkx 13 May 2014 08: 46
      +1
      For such a thing, two more Serdyukov can be forgiven.
  • Giperboreec
    Giperboreec 13 May 2014 08: 44
    +7
    Personally, I - FOR joining the Russian Federation and the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, I would like Odessa to hold a referendum. I lived in the USSR and am proud of it.

    May God give us and our Motherland strength, health and patience.
  • ksv500
    ksv500 13 May 2014 08: 46
    +2
    I believe that there is no need to rush in the interests of other residents of Ukraine. If we now accept the Donbass, it will be much more difficult to free other territories from fascism. Donetsk residents need to be patient, with our help, help their brothers! And there everyone will decide, at least in the southeast, how they should be, and then we are obliged to support them, no matter what. And the process has begun, they say Kolomoisky, relocated his headquarters to Odessa, it is not comfortable for him in Dnepropetrovsk smile
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 13 May 2014 08: 49
    +5
    The most important thing is that the majority of the South-East are "For" (Ukraine has not seen such a massive turnout for a long time .. the queue is direct.) And this is a serious trump card in Putin's sleeve .. (but I think it's not worth rushing.) We need Kiev! And the people there are intimidated and deceived .. We must wait and help hard with all you can .. The wave, as they say, went in the right direction! Let's break through the Slavs!
  • demon184
    demon184 13 May 2014 08: 53
    +2
    It is necessary to include them in Russia and on the account of sanctions, we are not negotiating with terrorists (usa, etc.)
  • Dave36
    Dave36 13 May 2014 08: 55
    +2
    Russia does not abandon its own .. all right, but something like these of their own and their own, but it seems not. About military operations on both sides ... by modern standards and the experience of conflicts - so this is not some kind of military action .. and so .. pshik .. In Russia, more people die in road accidents per day. If instead of militias Chechens settled in Slavyansk ... they would have slaughtered all Ukrainian specialists in a couple of weeks ... they would have been afraid of the night ... and here they aren’t waiting ... they don’t want to, but they also understand that if they come to an agreement with Ukraine, .. in September they will end hunger, and cold, and here, of course, everyone remembered that they were Russian .. and they were not fighting in our own way ... Nope ... I do not believe. It was from this lack of will that both Ukrov and Donetsk-Lugan there is no Putin reaction ... just not what to react to ... well ...
  • lexxxus
    lexxxus 13 May 2014 08: 59
    +4
    The author is right - the choice is very difficult. Not everyone could make it. But now I believe in Putin - he is the right man ...
    Just what will happen next ..? Unclear, unpredictable, scary ...

    PS I found the calendar of Wangi (though they say that it does not exist):
    2016 - Europe is almost deserted.
    2018 - China is becoming a new world power. Developing countries are being transformed from exploited to exploiters.
    1. salamandra2826
      salamandra2826 13 May 2014 09: 41
      +4
      In no case should it be scary. Fear, ha, they are waiting for this to be afraid. There are a lot of them. What could be worse than the Second World War, dashing 90s ... who knows, let them ask. They didn’t have gas stoves overseas, executions. We are in our own land, and this has always instilled confidence, I am sure it should now ... Stronger in spirit., Do not miss!
    2. yulka2980
      yulka2980 13 May 2014 10: 38
      +1
      Can we remember Nostradamus then? He kind of said that everyone will die out and only Siberia will remain! What should happen in these 2 years if Europe becomes deserted?
      1. maximus235
        maximus235 13 May 2014 11: 44
        +5
        She will be captivated by bearded aunts, not capable of reproduction. laughing
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 13 May 2014 17: 21
        +1
        Quote: yulka2980
        Maybe then Nostradamus remember?

        No-ee, better to invite a shaman with a tambourine!
      3. Kolesnikoff.dmitr
        Kolesnikoff.dmitr 13 May 2014 19: 59
        0
        Europe for half an hour politely sow Poplars! And silence...
  • suharev-52
    suharev-52 13 May 2014 08: 59
    +21
    Guys, turn on your head. Enough "shouting". What kind of entry into Russia can be discussed if this issue was not raised at the referendum. Before raising such a question, in the DPR there was still no horse lying around on the legal registration of independence. And I ask you not to count 7 million of the South-East of all polls as Russians. There are also many opponents of entry into Russia. In my opinion, support as an independent state and establish comprehensive cooperation. Sincerely.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 13 May 2014 17: 28
      +1
      Quote: suharev-52
      In my opinion, support as an independent state and establish comprehensive cooperation. Sincerely.

      Here is a great deal of approval! good
  • ssskalinin
    ssskalinin 13 May 2014 09: 02
    -6
    I think that the most correct would be the introduction of the Russian peacekeeping contingent on the territory of the LPR and DPR. Securing on the bridgehead (the local population will be welcome) and ensuring the process of creating state. Institutes. Naturally, the cessation of bloodshed and the squeezing of reptiles to the west. Unfortunately, the regions are quite problematic from the point of view of economics. This is not Kharkov or Dnepropetrovsk, but there is still some potential. There is another fantastic option with 100% recognition of the republics of Russia. If there is a pipeline gas system in the regions, sell LNR and DPR gas for subsequent transit to Europe and Ukraine. The benefits are obvious. Although the South Stream option is better. The most important thing is to stop the escalation of violence. PS By the way, China is very interested in importing coal. Why should the newly formed republics not be federalized with the Celestial Empire. But this is also from the realm of fiction.
  • Dave36
    Dave36 13 May 2014 09: 08
    +3
    Putin is silent .. I’ll repeat ... There is nothing to react ... there’s just a mess and not a desire to do anything at all .. Independence in its full sense is to ensure they themselves are NOT FORCES ... And just to swell money into them. not worth it ...
    1. Vesnik
      Vesnik 13 May 2014 22: 02
      0
      Bullshit. Nobody needs coking coals of valuable coal for steel in situations of conflict and war? I doubt it. Moreover, that way for 100-200 reserves.
      Plus metallurgy + etc. tp
  • Mestny
    Mestny 13 May 2014 09: 08
    +1
    Quote: Chaldon1974
    What has been developed with the EU for a decade can now be very easily destroyed and they can jump off our needle (gas, oil), although at a loss. In star-striped this is one of the main tasks.

    By your logic, it turns out that Putin, in order to disrupt the main task of the United States, needed not only not to support the DPR and LPR, but Crimea could not be accepted into Russia. Well, that would not have jumped off Europe with a gas needle.
    However, events develop in a slightly different scenario.
    Maybe amers have more globally set goals, in several areas, so to speak. In this case, even with the worst-case scenario, for them it would still be something to burn out.
    The conclusion is simple. Whatever action Russia takes, it will bring certain costs. Obviously, the moment will come when Putin will reach the highest possible level of problems created by the West for Russia in making decisions in response to his decisions.
    Until this limit has come. But it is also obvious that there will be no drastic global decisions such as the introduction of troops or the annexation of territories, at least in today's situation.
    1. Chaldon1974
      Chaldon1974 13 May 2014 09: 46
      +1
      Great steps were taken across the Crimea. Who raised the country spiritually and politically. As for the rest, you yourself answered your "last paragraph" questions.
  • Snoop
    Snoop 13 May 2014 09: 12
    +3
    They will not be accepted into Russia. At least in the near future. Most likely, Putin will recognize the results of the referendum, further the recognition of areas as states, new subjects of international law. Well, support, economic and, if necessary, military - agreements on the deployment of military bases on the territory of the regions. And then .. it's only later)
    Let's see what Putin decides.
  • Energet1k_
    Energet1k_ 13 May 2014 09: 12
    +2
    leadership of our powers (or rather, Lithuania is also a country)

    Good words, I like it. It is necessary to revive old traditions and customs, as well as borders. Therefore, New Russia-to take!
  • Pitman
    Pitman 13 May 2014 09: 19
    +2
    All Geyropa and these Americans froze and are waiting for the decision of the GDP. They are waiting to bristle later ... Everything needs to be thought out and not to make hasty decisions. Weigh all the pros and cons. It is clear that no one will abandon the Russian people, you just need to be patient. God endured and told everyone ... He hopes and wait .......
    1. NortoN
      NortoN 13 May 2014 19: 38
      +3
      waiting not only for the geyropa with ia, donbas also waiting
      1. 29261
        29261 14 May 2014 23: 33
        0
        He was smart and wise. But, unfortunately, they are rarely listened to. And in light of recent events, even more so!, They are rarely listened to smart and decent, but it's a pity! Now we are just waiting for certain steps from the southeast!
      2. BVZ
        BVZ 15 May 2014 14: 46
        0
        But why the hell do you need anyone, sit quietly and no one will touch you. Do not touch shit, it won’t stink, that’s what he meant.
    2. shiplover100
      shiplover100 14 May 2014 22: 24
      0
      The connecting rod, I agree! BUT! Belief in the "Good Tsar" .... It is peculiar to us ... Himself, ready to go to war? YOURSELF !!!!
    3. shiplover100
      shiplover100 14 May 2014 22: 24
      0
      The connecting rod, I agree! BUT! Belief in the "Good Tsar" .... It is peculiar to us ... Himself, ready to go to war? YOURSELF !!!!
  • kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 13 May 2014 09: 21
    +12
    for me there will be no duck of two deaths, but cast aside their shame for centuries, let's hope that the GDP does not break!
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    2. shiplover100
      shiplover100 14 May 2014 22: 17
      0
      Yes ... for me - too .... How to deal with these ... "WHOLE WORLD" ???
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 15 May 2014 14: 52
        +4
        but in no way ... you have to wait, which Moscow is doing ... now it's not the 70s ... there is an Internet and independent media ... and in the same Europe there are many smart people who see what is happening and where the real thing is from the threat is coming ... Putin is waiting for the people there in the west to "mature" to understand that they are looking for an enemy in the wrong place ... and I think this will be understood soon ...
  • Alekst
    Alekst 13 May 2014 09: 24
    +9
    mmm ... difficult for Putin, walking on the razor's edge ... the leadership of the DNI ???
    how much legitimacy does this guide have? in fact, there were no leadership elections in the republic, and on the basis of what legal acts should they be held ??? referendum - yes, of course! but the leadership is not clear; there was no clause on joining Russia in matters at the referendum.
    For me, the main thing is to put things in order in the regions, hold elections to the constitutional assembly, draft any legislation, hold elections to the leadership, and only then will the referendum on joining! and it will be legitimate for Putin, and not as it is now, my opinion.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 13 May 2014 10: 05
      +5
      A huge plus for you! Crimea, unlike the DPR and LPR, had formed legitimate authorities. You can’t rush and time plays for us, and sanctions: if it comes to real economic pressure on us, the EU will be in a very interesting situation - on the one hand there will be less money, on the other hand, you will have to pay for gas and feed Ukraine, and there winter will be cold and hungry. In such circumstances, the Europeans will not only recognize the referendum, but they will arrange for Bandera’s Nuremberg.
      IMHO