A letter from the occupied Kiev

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I apologize if the subject matter does not quite correspond to the specialization of the site. But in view of the topicality of the topic, it seemed to me that my opinion would be interesting to many.

You know, dear friends, today for the first time in my life I have felt what it means to be abandoned. I am writing from Kiev. I am 36 years old, and all my life (except for short periods) I have lived here. I am very worried about our country and our people. I've been watching 20 for years, being robbed, raped, disfigured. I was indignant to many, I was dissatisfied with many. But today I felt precisely the abandonment.

I am what is called a “pro-Russian” citizen of Ukraine. I love my Motherland, I love my dear Kiev, I love the people who live here, despite all their (our) shortcomings. But I sincerely believe that our happiness and healthy development is possible only in close alliance with the brothers from Russia and Belarus. Why I think so is a topic for another article. But this is my opinion, and I can seriously argue. Now it's about something else.

There are a lot of people like me in Ukraine. This, as we all know, is practically the entire southeast region. This is a very large part of central Ukraine and Kiev. There are many such people both in Western Ukraine and in Transcarpathia. According to my personal estimates (although I did not conduct a survey), these people are no less than 50% of the total population of the country.

Today, in my hometown, there is ... a parade of madness. Nationalist activists brought protest against the cancellation of the signing of an association agreement with the EU from the western regions brought to the city. They (as far as I know, in pursuance of the court decision) “asked” the Berkut from the Maidan. After that, many Kyivans took to the streets (of which there are also many, of course, visitors from other places who are simply working in Kiev), and now all this cannot calm down in any way. The central area of ​​the country is blocked by barricades of the New Year tree, which creates major problems for cars and pedestrians. To get through the fence guarded by activists of the Maidan, a person has to utter a Bandera greeting. You are told “Glory to Ukraine!”, And you must answer “Glory to the Heroes!” Then - go through. Everywhere flags of EU are hung out, even on the flagstaff of the Kiev mayor's office. Everywhere are sold stickers, ribbons, flags, etc. agitproducts. People can even buy a small sticker with EU stars to seal the flag and the emblem of their own state on the license plate of their car. I do not quite understand how such an action is consistent with their nationalist views, because they glue the flag and coat of arms of their own country! Well, okay, that's their business ... There, on the Maidan, solemnly, in some painful ecstasy, they trample and swear at the flag of the country that most of them educated, built the entire infrastructure, industry, etc., and which 20 really doesn't exist for years. There was also posted on the remains of the Christmas tree slogan "Hutin Puy!", The meaning of which is clear to everyone. It is not clear what does this person have to do with this, who practically does not say anything at all about everything that is happening.

You see, I could talk a lot about what is going on in the minds of the protesters. The fact that the mediocre, greedy and stupid Ukrainian authorities brought the country to the handle. The fact that the European integrators skillfully used a wave of popular protest against the current government and deftly armed this protest with European integration slogans. The fact that half of the protesters have such a mess in their heads that even discussing with them about the fate of the country would be ridiculous. The other half, to tell the truth, is simply so little educated that there’s really nothing to talk about with them. May activists of Maidan forgive me, but this is a fact. IMHO! IMHO! (They are so clearer than simple: “This is my humble opinion.”) Finally, that the poor, who were mutilated in the 1990 and 2000, students' experiments in their heads ring colorful balls of European values ​​so loudly that in principle they do not hear any reasonable arguments. I could talk about all this and many other things for a long time. But I decided not to write about it.

You know, I am a Kiev resident, I am a patriot of my land, today I don’t know how I can personally fight this idiocy unfolding before my eyes in the center of my hometown. Not a single political force has organized at least a kind of countermeasures. In addition to the ruling Party of Regions, of course. But who in their right mind will support this power? No pro-Russian organization does anything visible. Nobody urges people to even go on a march of disagreement with this whole Sabbath. No one collects signatures under an “appeal to the people,” to show that not all of Ukraine shares the nonsense that comes from the scenes of the Maidan. I specifically googled on this topic - and found nothing! I understand that the European side has great funding, media support, etc. And here is the question: why do the pro-Russian organizations have no funding? There 10 millions of people who are called Russian. And how many more Ukrainians, who consider themselves Russian in spirit? There is a “Russian block”, there is a “People’s Council of Ukraine”, there is a “Russian unity”, there is someone else, but they are not visible at all! Of course, you can say, they say, answer it yourself - why they are not visible! I understand that our own passivity is partly to blame. But why don't they help us here? We were actually in the occupation!

These are all essentially rhetorical questions, I do not expect an answer to them. I am just a Russian person who is sitting in Kiev now - the Mother of Russian cities - surrounded by “klyatyh Poles” and does not know who to ask for help from, and whether there will be help ...
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  1. Military79
    +6
    8 December 2013 05: 04
    Author, I understand you. I’m from Donetsk, and when I heard today’s cries of conscripts for the “March of Millions” and the “National Strike” in Western, I almost spat on TV. It’s one thing to put a lock on a ski rental barn and completely stop coal mining at a mine or extinguish the furnace at the metallurgical plant. What the fuck is a strike. The Western regions are entirely DONORED from the Eastern ones. I earn taxes and pensions for them while they have a lot of people working in Europe. How will I go from the factory to the Maidan tomorrow if these “Europeans” receive pensions the day after tomorrow. Me too, to put it mildly , I don’t like the current government, but I remember the barking and fight for the feeding trough between the winners of that “revolution” 5 years ago. It was a nightmare. And these same people are again on the Maidan, on my behalf (on behalf of the Ukrainian people), calling for chaos. And not one damn person will say specifically when we will be better off as part of the EU. Only vague phrases about “European values”, “democracy”, “freedom”.
    Yesterday, a friend arrived from a business trip to Kiev. The cops at the station in Kiev are happy that there is not a single homeless person in the area. Everyone went to the Maidan: drink, food, accommodation for the night for free. I called my brother, he works as an operator in the police department, and he also speaks from Donetsk homeless people dumped whoever could. A bunch of Georgians and other brothers from abroad on the Maidan. A friend came into the KMDA to see: a bunch of people were sleeping on the floor, eating, and pooping. The KMDA toilet ran out of paper after the seizure over the weekend. "Europeans" broke into the next office, they took DOCUMENTS there, tore them up and used them. Next to the ballot box there was a pile of “painted” paper and a toilet stained with “brown scratches”, and next to it a brush to wash them. AND NOT A SINGLE “EUROPEAN” USED IT. And we still have to go to Europe? Regarding "Berkut": why judge them, let's just burn the batons and that's it. What I mean is that they are service people and carried out ORDERS. There are different degrees of crowd threat. If they were given an order to disperse an aggressive crowd, then they carried it out. They are also batons in the hands of the authorities. It cannot be disbanded. This is the necessary structure of the VD. Disband, in a year (if not earlier) you will gather again and the same fighters will be there. Only the name will be changed. This is clear even to me, not a specialist. And I have not yet found a single video where children are beaten. My children and the children of all my friends are at home. And it would never have occurred to me to drag them to the Maidan and the frost, to places where it could be dangerous.What kind of parents!
    The bulk of the people on the Maidan are brainwashed people who haven’t read the agreement at all, students (it’s a young thing, the session is just around the corner, maybe they’ll knock it off, and have fun), the unemployed (100-150 UAH per day), really PATRIOTS (I hope they are the majority) , homeless people.
    On the Donetsk Maidan there were a bunch of photos from the EU and ours for comparison. Everything is bad with us, everything is good with them. So I see this good (and even better) every year when I go to Belarus. But this is not the EU.
    I am not for the EU or the Customs Union. I am for order in the country BY MY OWN FORCE. Are we really not self-sufficient?
  2. +3
    8 December 2013 05: 59
    Ukrainians. Ukraine is your country. Your independent, independent country. You talk about your independence and independence on every occasion. Well, let’s put things in order in your country independently and independently. If Russia comes to your aid now... and by the way, what do you mean by help? So, if Russia comes to your aid now, in a couple of years you yourself will be talking about the Russian occupation of an independent and freedom-loving Ukraine. Russia needs it, such adjustments from the Slavic brothers? But when the Ukrainian people themselves stand up and say their word, then we will support you. In the meantime, let's do it ourselves...
    1. 0
      9 December 2013 12: 46
      Quote: Zomanus
      Your independent, independent country.

      Where did you see independence and independence? It's an illusion.
  3. moskal68
    0
    8 December 2013 12: 34
    Quote: Sax
    Quote: 68
    I think Ukrainians should decide for themselves.

    That is correct.
    Quote: 68
    You have to be a complete moron, having before you the experience of the Baltics, Greece, Bulgaria

    It’s like Zhvanetsky’s: “We spent 3 days looking for him in the whole village... And recently we saw him in London, working as a waiter... He regrets it, it’s scary...” laughing laughing
    It's a business matter, of course. Instead of doing something at home, some people prefer to work as farm laborers in Europe. That's what I'm saying - we should have let you go. And if you were pressed, then take it back. A person has this property - until he tries shit himself, he will not believe that it is inedible.
  4. moskal68
    +1
    8 December 2013 13: 00
    Quote: Military79
    Author, I understand you. I’m from Donetsk, and when I heard today’s cries of conscripts for the “March of Millions” and the “National Strike” in Western, I almost spat on TV. It’s one thing to put a lock on a ski rental barn and completely stop coal mining at a mine or extinguish the furnace at the metallurgical plant. What the fuck is a strike. The Western regions are entirely DONORED from the Eastern ones. I earn taxes and pensions for them while they have a lot of people working in Europe. How will I go from the factory to the Maidan tomorrow if these “Europeans” receive pensions the day after tomorrow. Me too, to put it mildly , I don’t like the current government, but I remember the barking and fight for the feeding trough between the winners of that “revolution” 5 years ago. It was a nightmare. And these same people are again on the Maidan, on my behalf (on behalf of the Ukrainian people), calling for chaos. And not one damn person will say specifically when we will be better off as part of the EU. Only vague phrases about “European values”, “democracy”, “freedom”.
    Yesterday, a friend arrived from a business trip to Kiev. The cops at the station in Kiev are happy that there is not a single homeless person in the area. Everyone went to the Maidan: drink, food, accommodation for the night for free. I called my brother, he works as an operator in the police department, and he also speaks from Donetsk homeless people dumped whoever could. A bunch of Georgians and other brothers from abroad on the Maidan. A friend came into the KMDA to see: a bunch of people were sleeping on the floor, eating, and pooping. The KMDA toilet ran out of paper after the seizure over the weekend. "Europeans" broke into the next office, they took DOCUMENTS there, tore them up and used them. Next to the ballot box there was a pile of “painted” paper and a toilet stained with “brown scratches”, and next to it a brush to wash them. AND NOT A SINGLE “EUROPEAN” USED IT. And we still have to go to Europe? Regarding "Berkut": why judge them, let's just burn the batons and that's it. What I mean is that they are service people and carried out ORDERS. There are different degrees of crowd threat. If they were given an order to disperse an aggressive crowd, then they carried it out. They are also batons in the hands of the authorities. It cannot be disbanded. This is the necessary structure of the VD. Disband, in a year (if not earlier) you will gather again and the same fighters will be there. Only the name will be changed. This is clear even to me, not a specialist. And I have not yet found a single video where children are beaten. My children and the children of all my friends are at home. And it would never have occurred to me to drag them to the Maidan and the frost, to places where it could be dangerous.What kind of parents!
    The bulk of the people on the Maidan are brainwashed people who haven’t read the agreement at all, students (it’s a young thing, the session is just around the corner, maybe they’ll knock it off, and have fun), the unemployed (100-150 UAH per day), really PATRIOTS (I hope they are the majority) , homeless people.
    On the Donetsk Maidan there were a bunch of photos from the EU and ours for comparison. Everything is bad with us, everything is good with them. So I see this good (and even better) every year when I go to Belarus. But this is not the EU.
    I am not for the EU or the Customs Union. I am for order in the country BY MY OWN FORCE. Are we really not self-sufficient?
    Here! That's what I'm trying to say too! We need to get out ourselves, and not wait for a kind uncle to come and pull us out by the scruff of the neck into the bright present.
  5. Sax
    Sax
    0
    8 December 2013 16: 26
    Quote: 68
    A person has this property - until he tries shit himself, he will not believe that it is inedible.

    That's why people came out to the square, because they've already tried a lot of crap.
    1. +3
      9 December 2013 00: 09
      to come out and demand a change from sewing to soap was already in 2004...
      then the same thing happened and the winners took advantage...
      okay, then at least the whole country... but now no one in the east and south can see the faces of the opposition, let alone put them in power.
      Yes, and we will give a precedent for overthrow - and we will have them often. Let’s give up some slack and make it possible for us to “Namaidan” ourselves with chaos and lawlessness that is cleaner than anyone else’s.
      And I constantly ask the Kievite how things are going there - and he tells me in plain text that while we are itching (south-east), the Westerners will decide our fate for us and in the end the West speaks for the whole country. Ukraine. And its representatives will come to the throne and then we will see new “Yushchenko” persecution of the Russian-speaking population. And foreign policy will not differ from the Orange government.
      Plunging the country into chaos and lawlessness, hiding behind the slogans of the fight for a bright future—this is the lot of people who do not know who they are following and who they will lead.
      Threat, water cannons... now the frost has hit... The general can help a lot with this matter.
  6. Sax
    Sax
    0
    8 December 2013 16: 34
    Do you take into account such a factor as the so-called “pro-Russian citizens”? These are not patriots of their homeland, these are people living in the hope that Ukraine in one form or another will become part of the “Russian empire” that Russian patriots talk about at every step. But those can be understood. They care about their country. But ours... Try to imagine that some Russians are talking about reunification with some hypothetical empire under any pretext...
    I don’t think it’s worth explaining what will come of this.
    1. +4
      8 December 2013 19: 24
      A hypothetical empire is a concept for goy-goy-minded citizens who don’t give a damn about anyone... Don’t worry about your brains, we’re all adults. Westerners, what do you want? There are 10% of you and you don’t work at all, you already live for free, what do you want? I saw enough of you in Siberia, our Israeli friends are hard workers compared to you. What kind of luxury will you live on, you will have Europeans, they are not as tolerant as the Russians...
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    3. acute
      +1
      8 December 2013 21: 47
      You're completely screwed. Who needs you in Russia? You are needed in Europe. That’s where they want to live with you in a “union”. You got everything mixed up. No one is waiting for you in Russia. fuck you....
  7. Sax
    Sax
    -1
    8 December 2013 19: 46
    Quote: Alexey Lobanov
    Westerners, what do you want? There are 10% of you and you don’t work at all, you already live for free, what do you want? I saw enough of you in Siberia, our Israeli friends are hard workers compared to you. What kind of luxury will you live on, you will have Europeans, they are not as tolerant as the Russians...

    Mr. Lobanov, I am from the south of Ukraine from birth. My ancestors have been here for centuries.
    I live on my own money. Father, may he rest in heaven, veteran, disabled WWII, order bearer. Somehow forty years ago, in the weekly “Week”, the guest on page 13 was a wise man, Aram Ilyich Khachaturian. Have you heard of this without Wikipedia? wink So, he believed that the most valuable quality of a person is TOLERANCE. Think about it. (tolerance is a related trait that has its origins in internal culture, national traditions and upbringing)
    1. +1
      8 December 2013 19: 53
      It’s a pity that you, dear one, are only from the south of Ukraine from birth... And about tolerance, you tell your revolutionaries in Down (May). I have known Aram Ilyich Khachaturian since childhood due to music school, etc. I know him almost personally :)
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    3. +1
      9 December 2013 13: 07
      It is not clear why the word TOLERANCE is used to denote TOLERANCE. Is it because there is a lack of “tolerance” towards the native language?
  8. Sax
    Sax
    -2
    8 December 2013 19: 50
    Quote: Santor
    The Ministry of Internal Affairs is right - 20, maybe a little more, because it won’t fit ANY MORE :)))
    I wanted to ask something else - is there a million people in Ukraine and that’s all?

    Experts say that the Maidan can accommodate up to 300000 people including part of Khreshchatyk. Dig around smile
    And Maidan is located in Kyiv. smile
    1. 0
      8 December 2013 19: 55
      Your specialists will tell you something else, but you know better from America.
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  9. Sax
    Sax
    -2
    8 December 2013 19: 52
    Quote: Santor
    using the examples of Lithuania (there is no industry at all), Bulgaria, Latvia...

    What is it? Won't you enlighten me? Are people fleeing en masse? Is there anything else to eat?
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    2. 0
      8 December 2013 19: 57
      Mr. Sachs, since you and I are alone here, can you tell me why my messages are duplicated on the site? :)
  10. Sax
    Sax
    0
    8 December 2013 19: 58
    Quote: Santor
    Moreover, Germany and France are categorically against it, because they fear dumping in the labor market and a colossal influx of criminalized elements.

    Here you are right: never before (not counting the beginning of the 90s) have so many bandits of all stripes (politicians, JUDGES, cops, prosecutors, bureaucrats and just criminals) been on the loose in my country. stop
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    2. 0
      8 December 2013 20: 01
      But you are not from America!!! Strange IP from the Pacific....:)
    3. acute
      0
      8 December 2013 22: 02
      Guys, why are you freaking out? Ukraine is on its own, Russia too. Leave the Ukrainian alone. His good life is about to start
  11. Taidrem
    +1
    8 December 2013 19: 59
    Author of the article, don’t worry so much, everything will work out, our military is already on edge, I think, waiting for the order of the commander-in-chief. If the legitimate authorities of Ukraine officially ask for military assistance from Russia, and don’t worry about NATO, they won’t send in troops, ours have already warned them, just try to stick your nose in! And NATO members will obey and sit quietly, as they did during the Ossetian war. So everything will work out, I hope
  12. Sax
    Sax
    0
    8 December 2013 20: 02
    Quote: Santor
    But the EU requirements for Ukraine take up...700 printed sheets....

    What's surprising here? The banditry has turned the country into chaos. Needs treatment. And urgently. So there is nothing surprising in 700 pages.
  13. 0
    8 December 2013 20: 07
    Quote: Alexey Lobanov
    But you are not from America!!! Strange IP from the Pacific....:)

    It’s inconvenient to quote yourself, but...obana, are you from Ostreliya?
  14. Sax
    Sax
    -1
    8 December 2013 20: 09
    Quote: Alexey Lobanov
    I know it practically personally :)


    I'm jealous. Belaya z-yu. winked But why did you miss this opportunity?! He's a sage.
    Now and always lived here.
    The site crashes all the time - “it’s not my fault!”
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    2. +1
      8 December 2013 20: 14
      Well, during the Soviet Union there were many such wise men, and everyone knew and loved them... But I will always appreciate your sarcasm...:)
  15. Sax
    Sax
    0
    8 December 2013 20: 17
    Quote: Taidrem
    Author of the article, don’t worry so much, everything will work out, our military is already on edge, I think, waiting for the order of the commander-in-chief. If the legitimate authorities of Ukraine officially ask for military assistance from Russia, and don’t worry about NATO, they won’t send in troops, ours have already warned them, just try to stick your nose in! And NATO members will obey and sit quietly, as they did during the Ossetian war. So everything will work out, I hope

    God gave us a neighbor! You, my dear, are young, apparently, and not out of your mind. fool We are not worried about the NATO members, just as we are not worried about you wink
    This is not Chechnya for you.
    Anyway. Let the Elders of the site brainwash you. You are a passerby for me. empty place. Ring. wink
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    2. 0
      8 December 2013 20: 26
      Ring...

      Cool, you, dear fellow, are making naughty noises in the language, look it up! :)
  16. Sax
    Sax
    -1
    8 December 2013 20: 21
    Quote: Alexey Lobanov
    Well, during the Soviet Union there were many such wise men, and everyone knew and loved them... But I will always appreciate your sarcasm...:)

    It's true. A lot of. For the mind was the territory that a person could protect and protect from the dirty hands of the commissars.
    And thanks for the last phrase. If you are sincere, then I am pleased. Thank you.
    1. +1
      8 December 2013 20: 33
      And thanks for the last phrase. If you are sincere, then I am pleased. Thank you.

      A person who hides behind ornate phrases thoughts that are pleasant to many, but understandable to a select few, is the devil, a passionate connoisseur, because the State Department has long appeared to the world with dark wings :)
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  17. Sax
    Sax
    0
    8 December 2013 20: 37
    Quote: Alexey Lobanov
    Cool, you, dear fellow, are making naughty noises in the language, look it up! :)

    Well, what are you doing? It's slang. wink
    And if you need to verify my knowledge of Ukrainian - be kind. For me, this is not a problem. I wanted to start my entire life, speaking Russian - the hours were like this. It’s a pity that I still know Ukrainian as well as Russian.
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    2. 0
      8 December 2013 20: 38
      It's not a problem, it's fate.
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    4. 0
      8 December 2013 20: 39
      But Surzhik is an international language, we can communicate with the Australians :)
  18. Sax
    Sax
    -1
    8 December 2013 20: 46
    Quote: Alexey Lobanov
    A person who hides behind ornate phrases thoughts that are pleasant to many, but understandable to a select few, is the devil, a passionate connoisseur, because the State Department has long appeared to the world with dark wings :)

    I can’t help but agree about the State Department. Well, this is their fate... Yes
    And as for the devil... Read the site carefully. Often the wings stick out no less black (or ears? wink ) True from a different angle...
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    2. +2
      8 December 2013 20: 49
      Nothing can shine above Russia other than white wings, so let your State Department pour mud, and let Ukraine be a recent Little Russia, brothers.
  19. Sax
    Sax
    0
    8 December 2013 20: 54
    Quote: Alexey Lobanov
    But Surzhik is an international language, we can communicate with the Australians :)

    Well... The main thing is that they understand, and the rest can be corrected wink
    1. 0
      8 December 2013 21: 04
      Are you sure you're not an admin? :)
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  20. +3
    8 December 2013 21: 03
    Quote: 68
    I think Ukrainians should decide for themselves. If they stubbornly climb into the EU - let them. You have to be a complete moron, having before you the experience of the Baltics, Greece, Bulgaria, all hammering the gates of this very EU with your forehead. Let them go, and in 10 years accept them back, but with enslaving conditions, such as the return of Crimea. I think so.

    You're thinking wrong..Let .. stop feeding .. and after 10 with bondage conditions .. This has been drummed into us since the 90s.. Russia is not like that and will never be like that.. this is our strength! We are deceived, robbed, but we are still the strongest of all. We are a spiritual nation! And creative..! We don’t give up even if we choke on blood.. It’s a shame and sad and yet things like that!
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    2. +3
      8 December 2013 21: 10
      Let them go, and in 10 years accept them back, but with enslaving conditions, such as the return of Crimea. I think so.

      Brothers, this is not humane for brothers. And this is what is expected of us. I wish I could find this one who came up with the idea of ​​dividing a single people into Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians!!!!!!!!!!! Let this one cook there in the most unpleasant oils and frying pans.
      1. acute
        -2
        8 December 2013 22: 12
        Is someone asking or will they ask to take it back? There is no ford back. This is a scam. But why bother? Russia doesn’t need to call Ukraine, we’ll live without each other. Goodbye, unwashed...
  21. Sax
    Sax
    -1
    8 December 2013 21: 05
    Quote: Alexey Lobanov
    Nothing can shine above Russia other than white wings, so let your State Department pour mud, and let Ukraine be a recent Little Russia, brothers.

    My dear, the times when “Nothing can shine above Russia except white wings” are, unfortunately, long gone. In the early - late 90s, and even the early 2000s, I sincerely hoped that Russia would become a new, more perfect beginning of the newest civilization. WRONG. But what a shame. (By the way, in 2004 I voted for Yushchenko... God! How ashamed I am of that now!)
    What I mean is that I am honest with you.
    And the fact that my people have such a difficult fate... I believe that we will get out. The main thing is not to hindered.
  22. Sax
    Sax
    0
    8 December 2013 21: 08
    My previous post applies equally to both Washington and Moscow. But Little Russia is a thing of the past. It's time for everyone to understand and accept this. IT WILL NOT be any other way!
    1. +1
      8 December 2013 21: 13
      IT WILL NOT be any other way!
      Well, you tell 90% of the population of UKRAINE.
    2. 0
      8 December 2013 21: 13
      IT WILL NOT be any other way!
      Well, you tell 90% of the population of UKRAINE.
      1. +1
        8 December 2013 21: 16
        And, by the way, under the USSR I was always taught to say UkraIna, and not the Polish-gentry UkrAina. Even from the emphasis it is clear who “the roads helped”
      2. 0
        8 December 2013 21: 16
        And, by the way, under the USSR I was always taught to say UkraIna, and not the Polish-gentry UkrAina. Even from the emphasis it is clear who “the roads helped”
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    4. 0
      8 December 2013 21: 18
      But, your Tymoshenko LOVE UkrAinka:)))))))))))))
  23. 0
    8 December 2013 21: 23
    Woman with a braid :)
  24. Sax
    Sax
    0
    8 December 2013 21: 27
    Quote: Alexey Lobanov
    And, by the way, under the USSR I was always taught to say UkraIna, and not the Polish-gentry UkrAina.

    Me too. This is where I stand and will continue to stand.
    As for Tymoshenko, despite my indifferent attitude towards her as a politician, when she was prime minister, there was no trace of such rampant corruption. Now it's just a disaster. And many of your compatriots directly say that it is necessary to support Yanukovych, to “insure” him.
    So why the hell do we have this future?
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    2. 0
      8 December 2013 21: 36
      Well, then, you will trace the sad fate of the senator, fuck him, McCain (well, like Mts..) THIS IS A CRYSTAL SOUL AND PURITY man, he, ***, ***** is not a corrupt official, honor rushes from his narrowed proud Vietnam eyes :)))))))))))) Do you need these in your FUTURE?
  25. sasska
    +1
    8 December 2013 21: 39
    Quote: 68
    I think Ukrainians should decide for themselves. If they stubbornly climb into the EU - let them. You have to be a complete moron, having before you the experience of the Baltics, Greece, Bulgaria, all hammering the gates of this very EU with your forehead. Let them go, and in 10 years accept them back, but with enslaving conditions, such as the return of Crimea. I think so.

    Yes, it’s the grant-eaters who decide, not the taxpayers.
    That’s it, “having before them the experience of the Baltic states, Greece, Bulgaria,” the Yabukovitches and others are getting into geyropa: like “we will have everything, and for the nationwide disarray"
  26. Sax
    Sax
    0
    8 December 2013 21: 42
    Quote: Alexey Lobanov
    Well, then, you will trace the sad fate of the senator, fuck him, McCain (well, like Mts..) THIS IS A CRYSTAL SOUL AND PURITY man, he, ***, ***** is not a corrupt official, honor rushes from his narrowed proud Vietnam eyes :)))))))))))) Do you need these in your FUTURE?

    Well, what are you doing, Alexey? Everything is in extremes: from a bandit to a disabled person. lol Well, not a “close” person. We don’t need such happiness either.
    1. 0
      8 December 2013 21: 46
      They couldn’t even trace his place of birth! :) And he, ***, advises everyone how to live.
    2. 0
      8 December 2013 21: 46
      They couldn’t even trace his place of birth! :) And he, ***, advises everyone how to live.
  27. +1
    8 December 2013 21: 45
    This is not a disabled person, “Birthplace: American naval base in the Panama Canal Zone”, this is a product that is being imposed on you :)
  28. Sax
    Sax
    0
    8 December 2013 21: 49
    Alexey, thanks for the conversation. Forced to go. All the best.
    1. 0
      8 December 2013 21: 54
      I hope you don’t go there yet under orders to march (Yankee Dudle), if anything, we love defectors. :))))
    2. 0
      8 December 2013 21: 54
      I hope you don’t go there yet under orders to march (Yankee Dudle), if anything, we love defectors. :))))
  29. +4
    8 December 2013 22: 07
    Your question is fair...why is there no mention of Russian-oriented people?

    It’s simple: who usually goes on strike, rallies, at least take Europe: Maol-educated people with clouded heads, aggressive communities, gays, lesbians, ordinary people at this time have something to do with work, family, but strangely enough, this wild aggression is bearing fruit, the flag of the European Union is already possible interpret as one large point on a blue background
  30. +3
    8 December 2013 22: 12
    Quote: darksoul
    one big asshole on a blue background

    beautiful! There, among this trash, only Germany pulls everything, like WE do :) But, unfortunately, Germany surrendered to the point-takers, thereby becoming a point against a blue background.
  31. sasska
    +4
    8 December 2013 22: 42
    Quote: Sax
    Quote: 68
    A person has this property - until he tries shit himself, he will not believe that it is inedible.

    That's why people came out to the square, because they've already tried a lot of crap.

    o-o-o, as a current resident of the gay union and a former resident of the Soviet socialist republic, I can advise: gather your gay adherents into a group and - ......deleted by moderator in "euroShchastie". only, with one condition: not to ask for it back. Is it very itchy in the “back gate”? Well, then “farewell, unwashed Russia” (or, what do they say goodbye to in your sect?)
    my advice applies only to liberals and other independents, normal people have enough to do. they have to rebuild the country without the departed sheluponi.
  32. Sax
    Sax
    -2
    9 December 2013 00: 56
    Quote: darksoul
    It’s simple: who usually goes on strike, holds rallies, take Europe for example: Maul-educated people with clouded heads, aggressive communities, gays, lesbians

    Opinion polls indicate the opposite: more than 80% of people with higher education support the Eurovector.
    Regarding minorities, you have a mess in your head multiplied by propaganda. It’s not at all clear why. recourse
    Quote: sasska
    oh-oh-oh, as a current resident of the gay union and a former resident of the Soviet socialist republic,.........sheluponi.

    In general, everything is clear with you: judging by what you wrote - style, content, phrases, “sharpness of thought” - it’s clear why you didn’t take root there. laughing
  33. Sax
    Sax
    -1
    9 December 2013 01: 00
    Quote: sasska
    they have to rebuild the country

    Here you are right: we will have to restore a lot. But, thank God, without you and others like you.
  34. Sax
    Sax
    0
    9 December 2013 01: 12
    Mr. Lobanov, I re-read our discussion: what makes you think that I am from distant countries? No.
    Yes, by the way, I’ve hated going to drill since childhood am
  35. Masya
    +1
    9 December 2013 02: 14
    You know, I am a resident of Kiev, I am a patriot of my land, today I don’t know how I personally can fight this idiocy unfolding before my eyes in the center of my hometown.
    You know Volodya! Everything you wrote is a cry from the heart! This is a terrible feeling of complete powerlessness (when you see a wall and realize that the car will no longer slow down). I feel the same way. But look how the respected online community reacts! How people in Kyiv and throughout Ukraine react to the whole kaleidoscope of events. Nobody remembers anymore (or rather, they don’t want to remember) that all this started in the Maidan era with the Kiev-Mohyla Academy, whose students, marching around Kyiv, actually forced (weakly) the university and then the polytechnic to go out to the Maidan. The reasons for such activity of these half-educated “frying pans” can be found on Wikipedia. And only then it all began... And don’t worry about Kyiv Volodya - after all, it is “the mother of RUSSIAN cities”
  36. +2
    9 December 2013 12: 13
    Quote: Libr
    I consider myself one of those Maidan patriots


    “Maidan Patriot” is our new Ukrainian curse word.
    Meaningless expression. Very eloquently characterizes someone who calls himself that.
    I should at least look in the dictionary. A patriot is one who loves his Fatherland.
    Do you think that the Fatherland is Maidan? Were you born right on the square? Poor guy...
  37. TAGIR
    +1
    9 December 2013 13: 07
    MAYDOWN in a word
  38. Sax
    Sax
    -2
    9 December 2013 13: 57
    Quote: vladek64
    I should at least look in the dictionary. A patriot is one who loves his Fatherland.
    Do you think that the Fatherland is Maidan? Were you born right on the square? Poor guy...

    Yes, your associative thinking is rather weak... Try it, strain your apparatus, smile Maidan, in this case, is an outpost for the defense of the fatherland. This is the meaning of the expression you are analyzing. You can't take everything literally.
    1. +1
      9 December 2013 23: 56
      ABOUT! I hear the voice of the creative class!
      Who else can justify illiteracy with the subtleties of associative thinking?
  39. +3
    9 December 2013 22: 19
    I don’t understand the constant attacks that the Russians are always interfering in your affairs...., in my opinion, on your Maidan, psheks and Germans are marching with you, guys, calm down, we live well without you, thank God we survived our 90s, I feel humanly sorry for the brotherly people that this is happening in fact no one is bothering you, but the media’s work is like this, some embellish on the one hand, others on the other
  40. moskal68
    0
    9 December 2013 23: 21
    Well, what's there? They say the cops have surrounded everyone and are already winning. They say they win softly. Is this how it is? They rammed the cops with a tractor, and now they let themselves be beaten softly? Or what is the media not saying?
  41. Rusich75
    0
    10 December 2013 01: 12
    Correct article! Putin must support his supporters in Kyiv! He must come and perform on the Maidan! And then everyone gathered there will understand everything!!!! I propose to organize a collection of signatures for the GDP with a request to come to Ukraine! we all remember Syria!!!! Long live Putin!!!!
  42. Sax
    Sax
    0
    10 December 2013 01: 20
    Quote: darksoul
    I don’t understand the constant attacks that the Russians are always interfering in your affairs...., in my opinion, on your Maidan, psheks and Germans are marching with you, guys, calm down, we live well without you, thank God we survived our 90s, I feel humanly sorry for the brotherly people that this is happening in fact no one is bothering you, but the media’s work is like this, some embellish on the one hand, others on the other

    That's okay. You watch less media. And most importantly, be healthy. The country is huge - the work is overwhelming! good
  43. Sax
    Sax
    0
    10 December 2013 01: 21
    Quote: Rusich75
    Correct article! Putin must support his supporters in Kyiv! He must come and perform on the Maidan! And then everyone gathered there will understand everything!!!! I propose to organize a collection of signatures for the GDP with a request to come to Ukraine! we all remember Syria!!!! Long live Putin!!!!

    This is what I understand! drinks
  44. Sax
    Sax
    0
    10 December 2013 01: 24
    Quote: vladek64
    ABOUT! I hear the voice of the creative class!
    Who else can justify illiteracy with the subtleties of associative thinking?

    The thinking apparatus is given for this purpose, to understand the intricacies. In the forehead - this is for someone else. wink
  45. Sax
    Sax
    0
    10 December 2013 01: 27
    Quote: Rusich75
    Correct article! Putin must support his supporters in Kyiv! He must come and perform on the Maidan! And then everyone gathered there will understand everything!!!! I propose to organize a collection of signatures for the GDP with a request to come to Ukraine! we all remember Syria!!!! Long live Putin!!!!

    And then the folk festivities! Like Bulgakov: - I want everything! drinks drinks drinks
  46. moskal68
    +1
    10 December 2013 09: 29
    I wish everything would be more correct.
    1. Sax
      Sax
      0
      10 December 2013 14: 08
      Thank. I agree.
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  48. 0
    10 December 2013 17: 52
    gay parade in Ukrainian laughing
  49. 0
    10 December 2013 18: 07
    Quote: DanaF1
    t, it’s called something like “Compatriots” Collect documents

    That's right: ours are acting quietly, now they will imprison the leaders of the maydaun under articles. And the journalists need blood to give the command to the face banderlogs and organize another Chechnya or Yugoslavia. So this “silence” is deceptive.
  50. Ivanoff
    +1
    10 December 2013 23: 07
    For Friendship of Peoplesdrinks
  51. +1
    11 December 2013 15: 19
    Considering this video, who is standing on the Maidan? God save Ukraine!!!
    1. 0
      11 December 2013 15: 21
      For your information:
      Since 2005, member of the All-Ukrainian Association “Freedom”. In the parliamentary elections in Ukraine in 2006 and 2007, candidate for people's deputies of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine from the VO "Svoboda" (both times came third in the list).
      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD,_%D0%98%D1%80%
      D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0
    2. 0
      13 December 2013 01: 51
      Quote: gallville
      Considering this video, who is standing on the Maidan? God save Ukraine!!!

      Zhirinovsky is crying belay Thanks for the video. recourse
  52. Rav Seren
    0
    11 December 2013 16: 12
    Fighters of the Kirovograd "Berkut" refused to board buses and go to Kyiv to participate in the dispersal of the Maidan. This was reported by the local Internet portal “Native Kirovograd”.


    “We made a joint decision to refuse to use force against peaceful protesters. Despite threats and possible sanctions against us, the entire personnel - 220 fighters, refused to be loaded onto buses. 6 buses did not leave for Kiev at night,” said one of the commanders.” Berkut".



    According to unofficial information, unit commanders have already been suspended from their duties.
  53. Aksusha
    +1
    11 December 2013 18: 25
    To the author of the article Vladimir!!! The article is correct and from a REAL Kiev resident! It’s painful and scary for OUR City! Because everyone who destroys our Motherland is probably strangers, looters and stupid people. Vladimir, so let us also look for like-minded people among not only the people of Kiev, but also other residents of Our, after all, beautiful Motherland! [email protected]
  54. +1
    12 December 2013 04: 57
    What exactly do Yatsenyuk, the boxer and TyagniboT want???? Stir up elections (prez and Rada) in a country with wild debts on foreign loans, with an economy that will immediately lose sales in the CIS, and even in WINTER??? This is really counter-pragmatism and lack of common sense... are these three really not?
  55. 10kAzAk01
    0
    12 December 2013 08: 13
    Office of the party "Blow" on the street. Gorky, 5, several dozen young people picketed in Kiev demanding to pay them the promised money for participating in a rally of supporters of European integration.

    As one of the protest participants told reporters, they were approached by party representatives and asked to take part in a rally on Independence Square in the capital for a certain monetary reward.

    “To be honest, we were promised 150 UAH for three hours, they also promised tea and that we wouldn’t go hungry. We stood there for several hours, they didn’t give us any money. Today we came to demand justice, because the day was lost, and we could go to work and earn 250-300 UAH,” said a protest participant.

    no comment...
  56. 0
    12 December 2013 14: 22
    Hmmm...!!!! “The state gave THEM education.”..!!!??? 20 years of teaching.. and bile, which is evil, and that Square always suffered from the “oppression” of Moscow... and so a stupid, illiterate generation has grown up... who do not know the whole truth of their history.. Their brains can no longer be straightened. ..after all, they don’t know anything else..And where to direct this stupid mass...they have already found a use for it...and until they start pissing with blood...they won’t understand. THIS IS ALREADY A DISEASE...and it should only be treated surgically, like a cancerous tumor. I have 50-50 family and relatives in Transkorpattia and Russia...and my soul hurts from this mess.
  57. Sax
    Sax
    -1
    12 December 2013 16: 18
    [quote=NIKAVIZ]where to direct this stupid mass[/quote]

    That is, you are smart...[quote=NIKAVIZ].

    ..and until they start pissing with blood...[/quote]

    This is according to “ours”! Bolshevik style! To the wall, bitch! Right?

    THIS IS ALREADY A DISEASE...and it should only be treated surgically[/quote]

    By operational methods, is it to the camps and to the wall? Yes?
    And after that you (I deliberately capitalize) offer to live together with people like you?
    LORD, take me away and save me.
  58. +1
    12 December 2013 19: 39
    Quote: Sax
    And after that you (I deliberately capitalize) offer to live together with people like you?

    What's wrong with the above? Watch the video above with a lady performing in a kindergarten (the 3rd lady on the list of VO "Svoboda").
    Tell me is this NORMAL?!!! And these creatures, I can’t call them people, sit in the Rada.
  59. 0
    12 December 2013 22: 00
    I don’t understand why the Russians are panicking? The Ukrainian authorities have been offered to join the customs union for more than a year. No, then like this. Well, what should Russia do if there is such power there? And they have these methods, they warned Yanukovych.
  60. Sax
    Sax
    -1
    12 December 2013 23: 09
    Quote: lobik
    The Ukrainian authorities have been offered to join the customs union for more than a year now. No, then like this. Well, what should Russia do if there is such power there?

    What are you about? Sorry, but I, for example, did not understand what you meant. Please explain.
  61. Sax
    Sax
    -1
    12 December 2013 23: 19
    Dear forum users, here is an interesting link. Especially for Russians. http://argumentua.com/stati/chto-nado-znat-o-maidane
    1. 0
      13 December 2013 02: 48
      I put a minus because I didn’t see the answer to my question, and I’m also Ukrainian.
      And I’ll repeat it again:
      Quote: Sax
      Watch the video above with a lady performing in a kindergarten (the 3rd lady on the list of VO "Svoboda").
      Tell me is this NORMAL?!!! And these creatures, I can’t call them people, sit in the Rada.

      And now I want detailed response, not populist sites. And specifically regarding the statement of the 3rd person of VO Svoboda, one of the 3 parties on the Maidan, and a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada.
  62. moskal68
    0
    22 December 2013 15: 00
    I cook Khinkali for myself. I love khinkali. And you?
    -Do you love dolma?
    -No.
    -Because you don’t know how to cook real dolma. And the real dolma is mmmuchchch!