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A letter from the occupied Kiev

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I apologize if the subject matter does not quite correspond to the specialization of the site. But in view of the topicality of the topic, it seemed to me that my opinion would be interesting to many.


You know, dear friends, today for the first time in my life I have felt what it means to be abandoned. I am writing from Kiev. I am 36 years old, and all my life (except for short periods) I have lived here. I am very worried about our country and our people. I've been watching 20 for years, being robbed, raped, disfigured. I was indignant to many, I was dissatisfied with many. But today I felt precisely the abandonment.

I am what is called a “pro-Russian” citizen of Ukraine. I love my Motherland, I love my dear Kiev, I love the people who live here, despite all their (our) shortcomings. But I sincerely believe that our happiness and healthy development is possible only in close alliance with the brothers from Russia and Belarus. Why I think so is a topic for another article. But this is my opinion, and I can seriously argue. Now it's about something else.

There are a lot of people like me in Ukraine. This, as we all know, is practically the entire southeast region. This is a very large part of central Ukraine and Kiev. There are many such people both in Western Ukraine and in Transcarpathia. According to my personal estimates (although I did not conduct a survey), these people are no less than 50% of the total population of the country.

Today, in my hometown, there is ... a parade of madness. Nationalist activists brought protest against the cancellation of the signing of an association agreement with the EU from the western regions brought to the city. They (as far as I know, in pursuance of the court decision) “asked” the Berkut from the Maidan. After that, many Kyivans took to the streets (of which there are also many, of course, visitors from other places who are simply working in Kiev), and now all this cannot calm down in any way. The central area of ​​the country is blocked by barricades of the New Year tree, which creates major problems for cars and pedestrians. To get through the fence guarded by activists of the Maidan, a person has to utter a Bandera greeting. You are told “Glory to Ukraine!”, And you must answer “Glory to the Heroes!” Then - go through. Everywhere flags of EU are hung out, even on the flagstaff of the Kiev mayor's office. Everywhere are sold stickers, ribbons, flags, etc. agitproducts. People can even buy a small sticker with EU stars to seal the flag and the emblem of their own state on the license plate of their car. I do not quite understand how such an action is consistent with their nationalist views, because they glue the flag and coat of arms of their own country! Well, okay, that's their business ... There, on the Maidan, solemnly, in some painful ecstasy, they trample and swear at the flag of the country that most of them educated, built the entire infrastructure, industry, etc., and which 20 really doesn't exist for years. There was also posted on the remains of the Christmas tree slogan "Hutin Puy!", The meaning of which is clear to everyone. It is not clear what does this person have to do with this, who practically does not say anything at all about everything that is happening.

You see, I could talk a lot about what is going on in the minds of the protesters. The fact that the mediocre, greedy and stupid Ukrainian authorities brought the country to the handle. The fact that the European integrators skillfully used a wave of popular protest against the current government and deftly armed this protest with European integration slogans. The fact that half of the protesters have such a mess in their heads that even discussing with them about the fate of the country would be ridiculous. The other half, to tell the truth, is simply so little educated that there’s really nothing to talk about with them. May activists of Maidan forgive me, but this is a fact. IMHO! IMHO! (They are so clearer than simple: “This is my humble opinion.”) Finally, that the poor, who were mutilated in the 1990 and 2000, students' experiments in their heads ring colorful balls of European values ​​so loudly that in principle they do not hear any reasonable arguments. I could talk about all this and many other things for a long time. But I decided not to write about it.

You know, I am a Kiev resident, I am a patriot of my land, today I don’t know how I can personally fight this idiocy unfolding before my eyes in the center of my hometown. Not a single political force has organized at least a kind of countermeasures. In addition to the ruling Party of Regions, of course. But who in their right mind will support this power? No pro-Russian organization does anything visible. Nobody urges people to even go on a march of disagreement with this whole Sabbath. No one collects signatures under an “appeal to the people,” to show that not all of Ukraine shares the nonsense that comes from the scenes of the Maidan. I specifically googled on this topic - and found nothing! I understand that the European side has great funding, media support, etc. And here is the question: why do the pro-Russian organizations have no funding? There 10 millions of people who are called Russian. And how many more Ukrainians, who consider themselves Russian in spirit? There is a “Russian block”, there is a “People’s Council of Ukraine”, there is a “Russian unity”, there is someone else, but they are not visible at all! Of course, you can say, they say, answer it yourself - why they are not visible! I understand that our own passivity is partly to blame. But why don't they help us here? We were actually in the occupation!

These are all essentially rhetorical questions, I do not expect an answer to them. I am just a Russian person who is sitting in Kiev now - the Mother of Russian cities - surrounded by “klyatyh Poles” and does not know who to ask for help from, and whether there will be help ...
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  1. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 6 December 2013 07: 27
    41
    The thing is that Western countries do not hesitate to finance and support provocateurs even without brazen demonstrators. The Russian authorities, with fear, look at the West before their every word, before their every move. After all, God forbid what is wrong to do, or not blurt out. A kind of theater protest policy, for which the West rewards sweets in the form of the most popular politician or something like that.
    1. Civil
      Civil 6 December 2013 07: 40
      42
      Well ... raced ?! )))
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      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 07: 45
        15
        Quote: Civil
        Well ... raced ?! )))

        No, early still, Ukraine is still sleeping laughing
        1. APES
          APES 6 December 2013 09: 20
          33
          There are 10 millions of people who are called Russians. And how many more Ukrainians who consider themselves Russian in spirit? There is a “Russian Bloc”, there is a “People’s Cathedral of Ukraine”, there is a “Russian Unity”, there is someone else, but they are not visible at all! Of course, we can say, they say, and answer yourself - why they are not visible!

          it’s not visible - because they are working - if they go out into the street many will be scared, probably the time has not come yet.

          But why don't they help us here?

          FOOD IN KIEV !!!! soldier
          1. Makarov
            Makarov 6 December 2013 10: 00
            +7
            Yeah, come on ... The password on the barricade is communism. Hi to the doctors. :) (please take it as a joke)
          2. Grandson of Veteran
            Grandson of Veteran 6 December 2013 10: 03
            39
            "GOING TO KIEV !!!!"
            We have already arrived there. Westerwelle companions! You can be stunned - the foreign minister of a foreign state is playing on the Maidan! Let's send Lavrov in command, he is a literate man, maybe he will open the eyes of the "revolutionaries"!
            1. Ivan_Ivanov
              Ivan_Ivanov 6 December 2013 11: 45
              107
              Auto RU.

              Do not be nervous and do not worry.
              I am sure that Russia has provided such an option for the development of events and long before they developed an action plan. The Ukrainian authorities are implementing this plan. Perhaps it provides for the victory of the Euromaidan, perhaps not. The recent high-profile victories of Russia in Syria, Iran, the abolition of the European integration of Ukraine, Armenia ... give confidence that she has a strategy for action in Ukraine, which will inevitably lead to victory.
              Oh, it’s not in vain that Putin held meetings in Sochi on the state of the armed forces for several days.

              Do not expect quick results. The fight is difficult, hard, but it is on.

              You ask, where was Russia before? And where was the USSR in the 41-43th? Russia fought on its territory, as the USSR fought at Stalingrad, near Moscow, in the Caucasus, at Leningrad .... There was neither the strength nor the resources to butt for Ukraine. Too strong, multi-member 5th power column in Russia itself did not allow this to be done. They fought with her, removed from power, financial and media leverage. And even here there is still no complete victory.

              In the meantime, you can engage in propaganda on those small, small Internet sites where you have access, among your relatives and friends. Spread the truth, expose the euromaid lie, carry out campaigning. The result will be. Not immediately, but it will definitely be!
              (just don’t argue with zombie hamsters and paid bots)

              Here is an agitation to help:

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              3. Sandov
                Sandov 6 December 2013 15: 25
                48
                Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                In the meantime, you can engage in propaganda on those small, small Internet sites where you have access, among your relatives and friends. Spread the truth, expose the euromaid lie, carry out campaigning. The result will be. Not immediately, but it will definitely be!
                (just don’t argue with zombie hamsters and paid bots)


                Rusichi in Little Russia, keep blow. Brothers we are with you.
                1. Anper
                  Anper 6 December 2013 16: 51
                  +7
                  However, nice. Thank.
                2. URAL72
                  URAL72 11 December 2013 20: 32
                  +2
                  Thank. Hold on It’s a pity we don’t have coordination, and so the maydaunas got that there is no desire to beat them, there is a desire for everyone as Trotsky, an ice ax ...
              4. silver_roman
                silver_roman 6 December 2013 16: 21
                -7
                at the expense of Putin’s strategy for Ukraine, I recently saw an interesting dialogue. Infa itself is filed as intelligence. I certainly wouldn’t believe this info, but it’s interesting to read:
                What is happening in Ukraine today? Who is behind the scenes of chaos, into which the country is rapidly falling? We offer you a detailed picture.

                MI-6

                Top secret.

                How Putin and Obama play the Ukrainian map
                A conversation between Putin and Obama (November 5, 2013)

                (transcript)

                - Barak, once again I want to return to the issue of Ukraine and recall that the Ukraine-EU treaty is being violated by a number of agreements and protocols between our countries concluded in the 90s.

                - Vladimir, we do not intervene, it is a matter of the EU and the choice of the Ukrainian people.

                - Barak, coordinating Yanukovych for the presidency, we agreed that we will take into account the interests of the two countries. You have received uranium, shale deposits, shelf, etc.

                - Vladimir, you also received a lot under the contract with gas, plus Sevastopol. This guy is ready to give everything for the opportunity to be president. He needs EU support in the presidential election, and in exchange for this, he opens a market for them for free.

                - This will kill his economy completely!

                - We know, he asked us for money, but we refused. It is too expensive for poor Ukrainians. On his closed accounts there are already more than $ 20 billion. I think that the EU can make this issue more civilized and its people will heal better over time. In the end, he can ask the EU for money.

                - Barak, but the people of Ukraine do not want to join the EU, there are half of the population Russians.

                - I have other data. There is not so simple. They don’t want to join your customs union.

                - After the agreement with the EU, negotiations with NATO will automatically begin, and the sociology for NATO is unequivocal. Ukraine’s entry into NATO is unacceptable to us and this is a direct violation of the 1996 treaty and our closed protocols.

                - Your suggestions, Vladimir.

                “Let them hold a referendum under our joint control.”

                - This is democratic.

                - In order for everything to be honest and transparent, it will be necessary to remove Yanukovych from his post.

                - Why?

                “His people are sitting all over the country. Most of them have a criminal past.” In the interests of the Yanukovych family, they control the entire power vertical and all cash flows. The referendum will not be fair, they use gangster methods and undermining.

                - …………. how do we remove it?

                - Let him announce the resignation and at the same time presidential elections and referendum. The prime minister will be in charge. We will coordinate the candidacy. The situation there is very difficult, there is no money, winter is ahead, there may be problems with gas transportation. The infrastructure is ruined, the population is poor. The situation can get out of control at any time. I have a good candidate, Victor Medvedchuk. He once helped George and I resolve the situation with Kui.

                - Vladimir, he is too close to you. Let's find a more neutral candidate. For example - Poroshenko. I heard you created some problems for him. Let him guide a little, strengthen his business. According to my experts, he is not a bad manager.
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 6 December 2013 16: 25
                  -7
                  - In order for everything to be honest and transparent, it will be necessary to remove Yanukovych from his post.
                  - Why?
                  “His people are sitting all over the country. Most of them have a criminal past.” In the interests of the Yanukovych family, they control the entire power vertical and all cash flows. The referendum will not be fair, they use gangster methods and undermining.
                  - …………. how do we remove it?
                  - Let him announce the resignation and at the same time presidential elections and referendum. The prime minister will be in charge. We will coordinate the candidacy. The situation there is very difficult, there is no money, winter is ahead, there may be problems with gas transportation. The infrastructure is ruined, the population is poor. The situation can get out of control at any time. I have a good candidate, Victor Medvedchuk. He once helped George and I resolve the situation with Kui.
                  - Vladimir, he is too close to you. Let's find a more neutral candidate. For example - Poroshenko. I heard you created some problems for him. Let him guide a little, strengthen his business. According to my experts, he is not a bad manager.
                  “He's going to be the next president; his people are already courting mine.” As I understand it, you already had this question.
                  -Now I understand where he had problems. There is still someone there, well, except for this boxer and how is he ... Arsen?
                  - In Ukraine it is not so easy to find a good leader who is able to control the situation. Yanukovych offered me Prime Minister Klyuyev instead of Azarov.
                  - We had this offer. It was still ... Arbuzov, my experts said that he was very limited, but ready for any conditions. Let's take a short pause on the premiere. How do we tell Yanukovych about our decision?
                  “I will invite him to visit on Saturday and tell him what to do.”
                  - I can imagine his face (laughs ....... ..). Give him my regards and say that I sympathize. Nothing personal. Politics is a business. The EU does not need to say anything, it is desirable that Europeans think that they are deciding something. Let them break off Yanukovych, it will show them their real situation in Eastern Europe.
                  - He may simply not go to Vilnius. He doesn’t want to.
                  - Let him go. Remind him where his and his family’s money is kept. I want to look at Rompuy (laughter ... ... ...)
                  - It will be necessary to give Ukraine some money and limit the appetites of the Chinese.
                  - I agree. I will give instructions to the IMF. How is our lady?
                  - Lies in the hospital. They treat. It eats normally, walks around the ward. He writes something there, some appeals, appeals.
                  - Pass her the fruits from me.
                  The author resorted to this form of submission of analytical material in order to popularize it. (Every joke has a fraction of a joke)
                  1. illarion
                    illarion 6 December 2013 22: 00
                    +9
                    This is from the film "The weather is good on Deribasovskaya, it is raining on Brighton Beach." The conversation, however, ended differently: "This is Rabinovich, I turn you off."
                2. Sandov
                  Sandov 6 December 2013 19: 11
                  +1
                  Beautifully spread out, you read. Well Americans, how everything is concocted.
                3. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 9 December 2013 00: 31
                  +3
                  I'm shocked by the herd feelings of some ...
                  Did you at least read what I wrote or stupidly put ??? bulls are also being led into red ... so explain your thoughts, for which you are minus ...
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              6. silver_roman
                silver_roman 6 December 2013 16: 25
                -4
                at the expense of Putin’s strategy towards Ukraine such an infa funny walks on Internet networks! but as they say, in every joke there is a fraction of a joke !!!
                I bring to your attention a certain dialogue:
                What is happening in Ukraine today? Who is behind the scenes of chaos, into which the country is rapidly falling? We offer you a detailed picture.
                MI-6
                Top secret.
                How Putin and Obama play the Ukrainian map
                A conversation between Putin and Obama (November 5, 2013)
                (transcript)
                - Barak, once again I want to return to the issue of Ukraine and recall that the Ukraine-EU treaty is being violated by a number of agreements and protocols between our countries concluded in the 90s.
                - Vladimir, we do not intervene, it is a matter of the EU and the choice of the Ukrainian people.
                - Barak, coordinating Yanukovych for the presidency, we agreed that we will take into account the interests of the two countries. You have received uranium, shale deposits, shelf, etc.
                - Vladimir, you also received a lot under the contract with gas, plus Sevastopol. This guy is ready to give everything for the opportunity to be president. He needs EU support in the presidential election, and in exchange for this, he opens a market for them for free.
                - This will kill his economy completely!
                - We know, he asked us for money, but we refused. It is too expensive for poor Ukrainians. On his closed accounts there are already more than $ 20 billion. I think that the EU can make this issue more civilized and its people will heal better over time. In the end, he can ask the EU for money.
                - Barak, but the people of Ukraine do not want to join the EU, there are half of the population Russians.
                - I have other data. There is not so simple. They don’t want to join your customs union.
                - After the agreement with the EU, negotiations with NATO will automatically begin, and the sociology for NATO is unequivocal. Ukraine’s entry into NATO is unacceptable to us and this is a direct violation of the 1996 treaty and our closed protocols.
                - Your suggestions, Vladimir.
                “Let them hold a referendum under our joint control.”
                - This is democratic.
              7. Ivan.
                Ivan. 6 December 2013 18: 47
                -2
                Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                I am sure Russia has provided

                I would not be so gullible, the authorities only care about themselves with rare exceptions. The system based on constant elections is a constant struggle for power, which means it is vulnerable from the outside, the main advantage of tsarism is that they were not re-elected, and the main disadvantage is that in case of tyranny it is difficult to displace. The more often elections are held, the more vulnerable the country. Russia is fortunate that Putin has his own plans from here and his "confrontation with the West", but that does not mean that he is deeply concerned about creating a just, educated society - reforms suggest otherwise. The rescue of a drowning man is a matter for the drowning man himself.
              8. Rav Seren
                Rav Seren 9 December 2013 19: 16
                -2
                "The last high-profile victories of Russia in Syria, Iran"

                One question - where does the information about "VICTORIES" come from?
                The main goal of the United States, and Israel, is not to overthrow Assad - since it is convenient - but to destroy stockpiles of chemical weapons - which was brilliantly achieved. Obama simply led Putin and he was seduced - in exchange for not supplying air missions that were not planned - the destruction of a dangerous WMD.
                Similarly for Iran. Have you read the text of the agreement? Apparently not - for in the text Iran is completely disarmed. Again - this is the main goal of the United States and Israel - cheaply, without a costly war, to achieve disarmament - which is currently achieved.
                1. Spectator
                  Spectator 10 December 2013 17: 59
                  0
                  Quote: Rav-Seren
                  in the text, Iran is disarming FULLY.

                  It would be good to confirm this statement with reference to the source.
                  Here is the text of the agreement on the official website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
                  Not a word about FULL disarmament, nor about any at all. The figures refer only to the percent uranium enrichment.
                  1. Rav Seren
                    Rav Seren 10 December 2013 18: 14
                    +1
                    The text is extinct: here is the translation of the English text:
                    Iran has committed to stop enrichment above 5%:

                    • stop all enrichment above 5% and dismantle the technical elements necessary for enrichment above 5%.

                    - Iran will neutralize its enriched uranium reserves by 20%:

                    • Dilute uranium enriched at 20% to 5% or convert to a form unsuitable for further enrichment

                    - Iran is committed to stop the capacity increase:

                    • Do not install additional centrifuges of any type.

                    • Do not install or use any new generation centrifuges to enrich uranium.

                    • Make unsuitable half of the installed centrifuges in Natanz and three quarters of the installed centrifuges in Fordo so that they cannot be used to enrich uranium.

                    Iran ceases operations at Arak reactor:

                    • Stop the production of fuel for the reactor in Arak.

                    • Do not install any additional reactor components in Arak.

                    Unprecedented Transparency and Monitoring of Iran's Nuclear Program

                    • Ensure daily access by IAEA inspectors in Natanz and Fordo. Daily access will allow inspectors to review surveillance cameras footage to ensure comprehensive monitoring. This access will provide even greater transparency and reduce the time to detect any non-compliance with the terms of the transaction.

                    • Ensuring IAEA access to centrifuges.

                    Limited access to the financial system

                    • All sanctions against more than 600 individuals and legal entities aimed at supporting Iran’s nuclear or ballistic missile program remain in effect.

                    • Sanctions on several sectors of the Iranian economy, including shipping and shipbuilding, remain in effect.

                    • Sanctions on long-term investments and the provision of technical services to the Iranian energy sector remain in force.

                    • Sanctions on Iran’s military program remain in force.

                    • U.S. wide restrictions on trade with Iran remain in place, denying Iran access to virtually all relations with the largest economy in the world.

                    • All UN Security Council sanctions remain in effect.

                    • All sanctions related to Iranian state support for terrorism, its destabilizing role in the Syrian conflict, and its terrible human rights situation remain in force.
                  2. Rav Seren
                    Rav Seren 10 December 2013 18: 16
                    +1
                    And here is the link to the original text:
                    http://media.farsnews.com/media/Uploaded/Files/Documents/1392/09/03/139209030001
                    47.pdf
            2. illarion
              illarion 6 December 2013 20: 34
              +5
              The leader of the Canadian Foreign Ministry also (with bodyguards) visited the Maidan. This is a circus for them. Their occupation was crushed by police and fines, and here it is! Is free!
              1. Rav Seren
                Rav Seren 10 December 2013 18: 19
                -2
                Life in Canada is free, rich, dignified and bright. All these "okkupai" - these are just marks-losers, who do not know how to work, but who want to eat sweetly and sleep softly for free.
            3. Vasek
              Vasek 6 December 2013 20: 46
              +7
              Quote: Veteran's grandson
              Let's send Lavrov in command, he is a literate man, maybe he will open the eyes of the "revolutionaries"!


              Better Onishenko!
              (Yes, and to infiltrate with his last name is easier) bully
              1. Grandson of Veteran
                Grandson of Veteran 6 December 2013 21: 14
                +8
                As an option! Recommends Ukrainians to ban European media as adversely affecting reproductive function (due to geypropaganda)! hi
            4. White Guard
              White Guard 9 December 2013 05: 07
              +2
              Westerwelle is gay, and open.
            5. Spectator
              Spectator 10 December 2013 17: 52
              +2
              Quote: Veteran's grandson
              Let's send Lavrov in command, he is a literate man, maybe he will open the eyes of the "revolutionaries"!

              This is the lot of mongrels of the European Union to run and bark for the bone where they say and when they say. Our Foreign Ministry does not need to fall to their level.
          3. GDP
            GDP 6 December 2013 14: 21
            12
            It was for such Ukrainians that our grandfathers died on the Dnieper, near Kiev, in Sevastopol and in Odessa ...
            And she really betrayed our power to millions of Russians, who suddenly found themselves abroad. Nobody cares about them. Not only in Ukraine, but also in the same Transnistria, the Baltic states and other places ...
            Of course, something is being done, but it is not enough!
            You can’t stand still and look at it. It is clear why our government is silent now - they are afraid of the opinions of Europe, they are afraid of completely ruining relations with Ukraine, they do not believe the pro-Russian political forces, in their ability to change something.
            But I urge all Russians to at least not forget about such people as the author of this article, about Russians and about those Ukrainians who really remained our brothers.
            And when we scold Ukraine for hating Russians, we need to remember about another Ukraine, those people who are truly worthy of our respect and we must remember that there are millions of such people there ...
            1. In the book
              In the book 6 December 2013 14: 30
              -10 qualifying.
              Before scolding Ukraine, please read:

              http://beldn.do.am/publ/v_chem_dostoinstvo_ukrainy/3-1-0-748
              1. GDP
                GDP 6 December 2013 14: 47
                0
                There is some truth ... But only a fraction ...
              2. GDP
                GDP 6 December 2013 15: 04
                15
                I looked at this site in detail - what a sophisticated anti-Russian propaganda! Imperceptibly and seemingly kindly formed the image of Russia as something vile and dark.
                I even began to believe myself, until I looked through several articles and turned on the brain.
                Everything is written so cunningly that among Belarusians it can cause hatred of Russia, and among Russians at the same time! And it’s not like a lie or a truth, just a little bit ...
                If only we could do that! We do everything somehow naive and clumsy, we need to learn from "friends" ...
                1. GDP
                  GDP 6 December 2013 15: 37
                  10
                  I dripped deeper into this site on it, for example, links to resources that say how to create an imamat in the Caucasus. How Ingush to seize the territory of Ossetia, how to expel Russians from the Stavropol Territory, and that sooner or later Russia will cease to exist ...
                  Here are comrades! Here they are traces of the enemy!
                  And by the way, the site is called "the phenomenon of Belarus" It would seem, what does the Caucasus have to do with it?
                  By the way, Belarusians are urged to enter into an alliance with Lithuania and Poland and create a new Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth ...
                  1. GDP
                    GDP 11 December 2013 14: 06
                    0
                    The creators of the site are Ukrainians, and the site itself is located in the Dominican Republic, in fact, the unofficial state of the United States, completely controlled by the State Department ...
              3. nickname 1 and 2
                nickname 1 and 2 6 December 2013 16: 19
                +7
                \\\ There is no censure of Russia on the Maidan, no condemnation of Putin. And there is a question to Yanukovych: why did he cheat? \\\

                so for Ukraine bargained for profit! What are the shows? what questions?

                Ukraine has long looked in the mirror? close the throats should be all .... tsenyuk and nicknames.

                Oh! Troubles! Big trouble in the heads!
                There is no cure for this disease! (other than ...)
                the more you mind, the more troublemaker gets hot!

                The man is still WILD!
                1. Current 72
                  Current 72 7 December 2013 04: 09
                  +3
                  ... There is no cure for this disease (except for ...) GUILLOTINE very well helps.
                  1. papik09
                    papik09 12 December 2013 04: 40
                    +1
                    No, the guillotine helps with a headache, but not from a Fool wassat
                    In this case, I think, CAREFUL PROCESSING WITH A DUBI would help! RUBBER. With mandatory watering. So here, somewhere. hi
                    And, at the same time, I WANTED TO DRINK ON THE OPINION OF "EU-POLITICS" and others like them !!!
              4. Makarov
                Makarov 6 December 2013 20: 20
                -11 qualifying.
                I see about this whole situevina about the same .... you see, for 2500 kilometers you can look at this problem like this: Bendera and the Nazis are eager for power. But I also think that if this is a mistake, then it should be committed in Ukraine. just try to live by different standards, according to pro-Russian, we have lived for 20 years .... frankly, nothing good has happened over the years .... it's time to change and see, maybe what happened in 20 years was not so bad , and all other standards are not suitable for Ukrainians or they are simply distorted and not so good on their own ... until you try, you don’t understand ...
                1. APASUS
                  APASUS 6 December 2013 21: 12
                  13
                  Quote: Makarov
                  Bendera and the Nazis are eager for power.

                  You think correctly! They just forgot to mention that for this they began to use the temptation with Euro integration. Should Europe itself do everything for the Ukrainians ?! Itself will establish production, clean the streets and sweep in the entrances!
                  Quote: Makarov
                  just try to live by different standards, according to pro-Russian, we have lived for 20 years .... frankly, nothing good has happened over the years ..

                  Tell me at least a year when Ukraine lived by pro-Russian standards? Every day they pour in your ears that this is so Putin and Russia are doing everything, but in fact you are standing still, you are not a centimeter closer. Russia is to blame for all the problems - WHY?
                  Quote: Makarov
                  . until you try - you don’t understand ...

                  In each yard there is a neighbor working in Europe, let him tell how wonderful it is!
                  Such a Maidan in Berlin would have ended in about 40 minutes, in the evening the court - a fine of 4000 euros, didn’t pay - in jo .. with his foot to the outskirts, didn’t pay - it’s finished with social, did not pay - warning from the police and compulsory attendance of a lecture!
                  PAY EQUALLY ALL !!! On this stands the LAW and Germany itself !!!
                  1. Makarov
                    Makarov 6 December 2013 22: 19
                    +1
                    according to GOST, which was transformed into DSTU, we lived for 20 years ... and now we live, nothing stands still. Everything is aging and little is being modernized. What we sold to you 20 years ago, you already replaced it with your own production ... I don’t blame Russia - on the contrary, the Ukrainians had to think earlier ... about Europe, there are + + and - ... like everywhere else ... people are just tired of the chaos of those who decide on the ground ...
                2. Anper
                  Anper 6 December 2013 21: 19
                  14
                  according to pro-Russian, we have been living for 20 years
                  How is this so? And the Orange Maidan? And the fiery revolutionary V. Yushchenko? And ethnographic idiocy - embroidery, fat. Since when has the friendship with Saakashvili, V. Yushchenko’s godfather, become a model of the pro-Russian standard? Or is it also the vile machinations of imperial Russia that prevented the building of an independent Ukraine? Or all the American trash grazing in Ukraine then were agents of bilshovitsko-putinsky Russia ?
                  1. Makarov
                    Makarov 6 December 2013 22: 31
                    -7
                    Well, look - people were led, then they were disappointed, and now count what should have happened so that people were led again ... or are we all stupid maloros who do not understand anything in this world, and you tell us everything on the shelves now? Not only politicians and Bendera’s are standing there, for the most part ordinary citizens of Ukraine are standing there (I understand that in some blinded minds this is not consistent with propaganda, but this is a fact, I was there and talking with people), who were tired of the lawlessness and corruption of the authorities. Do you have officials taking bribes from you? No kickbacks? don't steal the budget? GAI officers know traffic rules? Why are you soaring to me about 2004?! ... but to people, including me, all this has put on ... Are you fighting corruption? If your power effectively fights this phenomenon, and everything suits you, it’s great, no one goes anywhere. People come up to you when the national question arises, you have your own problems .... people, students have decided that bribes, corruption and corrupt authorities will not be destroyed by anyone except them ... that's all ...
                    1. Anper
                      Anper 7 December 2013 02: 09
                      17
                      Yes, I live in Western Ukraine, I live, Zhenya! This is my homeland. I know firsthand about the paid and unpaid orange Maidan, about the paid and unpaid today's Maidan. I’m sorry that my compatriots themselves could not go anywhere, that my child was a schoolboy directors kicked out to the square!
                      And about the fact that here ALL stupid Little Russians - yes, not all! But, unfortunately, the percentage of stupid, THINKING THAT THESE THEY EXIT themselves are very large.
                      Generally. read at least "Manipulation of consciousness" or "Orange mine" by Sergei Georgievich Kara - Murza. I really hope that we will become one-thinkers and comrades, or even talk about Ukraine in details that are understandable only to Ukrainians, there is nobody. And the fact that Russians take this to heart, I am very pleasantly surprised, and their opinion must be listened to - no one here has ever wanted to be hurt. And ours quite often spit saliva.
                      1. Makarov
                        Makarov 7 December 2013 03: 36
                        +3
                        Do you have anything to lose? Many have nothing to lose ... on the 20th, a woman threw herself from my house ... a janitor ... her apartment was taken away ... bandits or authorities took away ... no one understood who they were ... she killed yourself from hopelessness ... cool country, right? They take an apartment - you need to contact the police - "normal" people will say ... but we are Ukrainians, and therefore the advice to contact the police makes you laugh ... that we will join the Customs Union or the EU - will the bandit officials leave?
                      2. Anper
                        Anper 7 December 2013 13: 16
                        +3
                        I don’t argue - everything is completely exhausted.
                        But in order to change something, you need to know WHAT and HOW to change, WHAT SIDE TO MOVE.
                        I know, I feel - now my country, slandered and impoverished, SAMA in joyful maidan ecstasy puts its head in the noose. The fact that Europe is pushing it to this is beyond any doubt of the Maidan people themselves. PEOPLE. And no economic calculations - only slogans.
                        Already here you have to collect information yourself, good, human material that lived on earnings in Europe and Russia is enough.
                        There is confidence that we will fall like pears from the windows in connection with the seizure of apartments, staring holyly in the mouth of the European Union, and, most likely, these will be our descendants (God forbid).
                  2. papik09
                    papik09 12 December 2013 04: 48
                    0
                    "we have decided people, students"
                    Name, pliz, surname, who decided am
              5. alicante11
                alicante11 7 December 2013 05: 48
                +4
                I see about this whole situevina about the same .... you see, for 2500 kilometers you can look at this problem like this: Bendera and the Nazis are eager for power. But I also think that if this is a mistake, then it should be committed in Ukraine. just try to live by other standards, according to pro-Russian, we’ve lived 20 for years .... frankly, nothing good has happened over the years ....


                Dear, you did not live by Russian standards. You lived just by the standards of the capitalist grabbers that are now offering you. You just change one robber to another. The problem is different. Russian oligarchs are robbing, but they are forced to defend themselves and expand the defensive belt around their feeders. Therefore, they give a bit and people. At the very least, there is a social program, pensions and salaries in the public sector are paid regularly. Again, there are well-established mutually beneficial economic ties. And zapadentsy offer to stupidly rob you and not to give ANYTHING in return, except for gay parades and tolerance. What's better? 90's racket or bureaucrats and cops robbers 2010's? You decide, gentlemen Svidomo.
                But only when they squeeze you like a rag to the end, you, robbed to the skin, rush to Russia again and we will have to, at the expense of our taxes (because the oligarchs will not give a spear to anyone), pull you out of the ass where the European integrators will drive you. And we need to pay for your Svidomo experiments?
            2. Crusader
              Crusader 7 December 2013 05: 21
              +1
              SPECIALLY SMILE ABOUT Ignorance of slavery !?
          4. Valkyrie
            Valkyrie 6 December 2013 14: 32
            +4
            What can we, ordinary people, do to help our fellow tribesmen? Something specific someone can offer? Our government is unlikely to help them in any way. We ourselves are now in a difficult economic situation, this has already been officially announced. Wait until they suffer the fate of those who turned out to be devotees in the Caucasus and Central Asia?
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 7 December 2013 06: 00
              +4
              You won’t do anything. Just if you consider yourself Russian by nationality and in life, get over to your Great Homeland. Only not to Moscow, which is no longer Russia especially bursting from the people, but to us in the Far East, in the north. There are not enough people here. The north is dying. Yes, you won’t be given the golden mountains here, but you can live humanly. And so in Moscow, too, for one who has gained the golden mountains, there will be a hundred others who will be struggling with the Tajiks at the station.
              1. Anper
                Anper 7 December 2013 15: 12
                +3
                They found out, sir. There is such a program in Russia for a long time, it is funded, it works, it is called something like "Compatriots" Documents to collect, of course, the sea, restrictions - darkness, but if you really want to, you can.
                One thing was surprising - Kazakhs, Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc., are the fastest to fill out this whole crap. Not Russians living there, namely Kazakhs, Tajiks, Uzbeks!
                And they choose not the North, not Voronezh, Belgorod, Altai or the Far East, but the Kaliningrad Region. Therefore, to get there, letters of recommendation are needed. And where do they get them? Who recommends them?
          5. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 6 December 2013 15: 17
            +7
            Quote: GDP
            You can’t stand still and look at it. It’s clear why our government is silent now - they’re afraid of the opinions of Europe,

            not to be afraid of...
            our power is not the Poles, who with drafts on tanks ...
            our government is playing the "Big Game" according to the rules imposed on us ...
            therefore, she first thinks, and then does, and does not make a hysteria, like some EU officials ...
          6. demel2
            demel2 6 December 2013 18: 39
            -4
            Yes, this power is still betraying us. Look around.
          7. Basarev
            Basarev 6 December 2013 21: 45
            +3
            One should also take into account the huge difference between the vile-zone Ukrainian authorities and the Fraternal Ukrainian People - these are not at all the same thing.
          8. Grandson of Veteran
            Grandson of Veteran 6 December 2013 23: 40
            0
            http://www.audiopoisk.com/track/no/mp3/le6enko-lev---eto-radost-so-slezami-na-gl
            az-etot-prazdnik-s-sedenou-na-viskahden-pobediden-pobediden-pobedi /
            1. Grandson of Veteran
              Grandson of Veteran 6 December 2013 23: 44
              +5
              Friends, listen !!! Everything will become clear to everyone !!! Stop dividing into Russian and Ukrainians !!!
          9. Rav Seren
            Rav Seren 10 December 2013 19: 24
            +1
            You yourself live in what - do you want others to live the same way?
        2. Spectator
          Spectator 10 December 2013 17: 49
          0
          Quote: APES
          it’s not visible - because they are working - if they go out into the street many will be scared, probably the time has not come yet.

          Will come out and what? will fight with those persons of low intellectual development who are on the Maidan? This will already be complete chaos and the plot for a civil war (a few deaths on each side are enough).
          So let law enforcement agencies ensure order and protect the peace of their citizens who do not want to participate in this madness.
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      4. AVV
        AVV 6 December 2013 12: 32
        20
        So you can oversleep the Homeland, to these geeks !!! In the east and south of the state people work, earn a living, and those who are driven on buses, they practically do not work, or work to the west, they do not care about the industry, which closes when integration, they act on the principle that if in the western part of Ukraine there is no work, then there is nothing to have in the east, the worse, the better, this is the theory of controlled chaos of the west !!! And Uncle Sam and his European will catch the fish lackeys, and the people of Ukraine are just supplies for them !!!
      5. Good Ukraine
        Good Ukraine 7 December 2013 02: 49
        +6
        hi
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        No, early still, Ukraine is still sleeping

        No, Ukraine is not sleeping. Ukraine is hiding and waiting. And waiting for help from Putin. Waiting for his wise actions. Hope is just not him.
        But the main problem is that the position of Yanukovych is not clear. He will not be able to deceive Putin. Compared to Vova, Vitya is not even a "C grade".
        If Yanyk comes out tomorrow and speaks specifically about the Russian vector, the majority will immediately support him. Never Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Kherson, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Transcarpathia (Uzhgorod), also Poltava, Chernigov, Cherkasy, Kirovograd, Sumy, Zhitomir will not "hug" with Banderavites. And only Lviv, Ivanofrankovsk and Ternopil will remain. And that's not all. There, too, there are sane people who understand that the Poles have been looking closely and thinking about how to grab a piece of Ukraine.
        But Yanukovych does not go out to people.
        Why?
        1. Rav Seren
          Rav Seren 9 December 2013 19: 07
          +1
          Maybe because now the majority is just against him?
      6. Varangian22
        Varangian22 8 December 2013 22: 17
        0
        So you can oversleep all why!
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 6 December 2013 10: 13
      +7
      Oh my dear, I certainly understand you, but do not be so sure:

      There 10 millions of people who are called Russian. And how many more Ukrainians, who consider themselves Russian in spirit?


      If we take the telephone directories of the Russian-speaking cities of one million and hundred thousandth, then the Russians may even have 12 million, but if we look in their skull box, then the real Russian may have 3-4 million from the force ...

      I present to the military review, the best creation of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex of the end of 20, the beginning of the 21 century, Russian-language small arms:



      Principle of operation:

      1. Firing Rate: 9-10 years

      2. Multi-charge and multi-caliber. Every year there is an update with an appendage of the instructor.

      3. Destructive power: 100% strikes Russians with humanitarian thinking, and injures people with technical thinking.

      Disadvantages: this weapon weakly pierces Russians born in the USSR before 1982. Although in fairness, it was developed against their children. For adults in store fragmentation television grenades.

      MAIN Advantage:

      Russian language. Russian before it simply removes the body armor.

      Battle results:

      In the absence of supplies of real Russian weapons:



      Millions of losses among Russians and Ukrainians sympathizing with Russian culture.

      But the final result:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAQqgKuWbJc
      1. oaziss
        oaziss 6 December 2013 12: 20
        0
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        If we take the telephone directories of the Russian-speaking cities of one million and hundred thousandth, then the Russians may even have 12 million, but if we look in their skull box, then the real Russian may have 3-4 million from the force ...

        According to the latest census in Ukraine, about 17% of Russians
        1. washi
          washi 6 December 2013 14: 51
          +5
          Quote: oaziss
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          If we take the telephone directories of the Russian-speaking cities of one million and hundred thousandth, then the Russians may even have 12 million, but if we look in their skull box, then the real Russian may have 3-4 million from the force ...

          According to the latest census in Ukraine, about 17% of Russians

          There was a Zaporizhzhya sales and Wild Field in the territory of this artificial formation. There was also the outskirts of Rzecz Poland (at the heart of its Russian state, since Poland itself occupied a smaller part of the Russian-Lithuanian principality).
          There were no people.
          Russians returned - Little Russia, Yugorossia appeared. Lived.
          In this territory, either Okraintsy (i.e. subordinates of Poland) or Russians - residents of Russia (Russia) live
          1. oaziss
            oaziss 6 December 2013 14: 53
            -1
            Mdya ............
          2. abdrah
            abdrah 6 December 2013 17: 23
            11
            I really like this picture, it clearly shows the essence of Ukrainian statehood and the inviolability of territorial integrity.

            http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3409/chitach37.1/0_2e8e4_5c32413b_L.jpg
      2. Cristall
        Cristall 6 December 2013 12: 46
        +5
        No sane parent should allow children to memorize what is in this textbook. But the garbage textbook itself - the children didn’t always like the story (stupid cramming and forgetting after passing, or even just rewriting)
        much worse than the telly and uncles who rub it all.
        In general, here you just need to follow what teaches and what the child is watching.
        And history books are ass licking .. frank .. And we had it almost every year (textbooks changed) and I, a lover of world history, managed to hate this subject in the 6th grade (the 5th grade was surprisingly good textbook Yes, and thin and mostly about the Cossacks)
    3. In the book
      In the book 6 December 2013 12: 32
      -52 qualifying.
      Quote: Civil
      Well ... raced ?! )))


      TA-dah:

      WHY MAIDAN IS NOT WET AND NOT BIRULOVO
      02 December 2013, 14: 32
      Many today are asking the cursed question why we Russians (Muscovites) cannot do that.

      Have you seen a lot of flags of your country, hung from the windows of houses and cars? Have you seen many Russian flags in the hands of young and all sorts of other people?

      We’ll rather draw a three-letter word on the neighbor’s fence than a tricolor on our cheek.

      Have you seen in Russia at least once 100 thousand people, or at least 50 thousand singing a national anthem in unison? Have we even seen at least one of any size group of people behind this sacred (without laughter) occupation? Well, except maybe on TV four times a year, performed by the state choir of three or four hundred crooks and thieves. And even then half of them do not know the words.

      Do you know these Stalin-Mikhalkov patched patched verses by heart? At least once there was a desire to fulfill out loud?

      For all four days on the Maidan, I have not seen a single drunk. I have not heard a single swear word. People smile at each other like brothers and sisters, they feel connected, they are close, relatives of each other.

      Where are the old people? On the Maidan. Where are the children and grandchildren? On the Maidan. Where are the communists? On the Maidan. Where are the nationalists? On the Maidan. Where are the football fans? On the Maidan. Where are liberals, schoolchildren, students, workers, engineers, artists, carpenters, traders, gays and homophobes ...? All together (rich at once) on the Maidan.

      We all chat about the national idea tirelessly and to no avail. Here in Kiev, she is on every corner. Not to leave Russia and not to come to Europe, but simply to live as free people who respect themselves and others.

      Tell me, how many days would some official siloviki hold on to power in Ukraine, under which an order would be issued to shoot from a flamethrower at a school with hundreds of children captured by terrorists? Yes, not how much. Not a single day.

      Earlier, out of great-power stupidity, I worried about the Crimea, which "Nikita gave the Ukrainians drunk". And now I have seen the light to understand how smart and far-sighted Khrushchev was.

      At least part of the Russian land now has the opportunity to live in the country, not in the territory, and has a chance to be people, not the population. And Nehai live!

      This happens once every three hundred years! we are lucky!
      1. Anper
        Anper 6 December 2013 13: 53
        27
        For all four days on the Maidan, I have not seen a single drunk. I have not heard a single swear word
        This is especially true for the leader of the Udar party, who himself sniffs out drunks (who, in fact, are not there).
        Have you seen in Russia at least once 100 thousand people, or at least 50 thousand singing a national anthem in unison?
        A 50-year-old acquaintance of mine went to Kiev to Maidan at the call of his heart, while he was singing an anthem in an enlightened crowd, they removed a wallet and a mobile phone from his pocket. They took his car 70 km from the city - relatives of each other they didn’t chuck in on gasoline, dialed, poor fellow, to us from some trucker from the highway. Enthusiasm diminished very much, but a new argument “This will not happen in the European Union”
        People smile at each other like brothers and sisters, they feel connected, they are close, relatives of each other.
        Brothers and sisters are from the official appeal of sectarians who, as you know, are intoxicated by neurolinguistic influence. On the Maidans, this influence is above the roof. We warm ourselves under "HTO NOT STREET - THAT MOSCOW @ L", marish under "GLORY TO NATSIN - DEATH TO THE VOROGS", greet the banderivska "GLORY TO UKRAINI! GLORY TO HEROES!" will become a man? Feel the connection and start smiling at everyone.
      2. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 6 December 2013 14: 03
        14
        Quote: Libr
        Where are the old people? On the Maidan. Where are the children and grandchildren? On the Maidan. Where are the communists? On the Maidan. Where are the nationalists? On the Maidan. Where are the football fans? On the Maidan. Where are liberals, schoolchildren, students, workers, engineers, artists, carpenters, traders, gays and homophobes ...?

        Kiev, like Moscow, is not the whole country.
        Quote: Libr
        Earlier, out of great-power stupidity, I worried about the Crimea, which "Nikita gave the Ukrainians drunk". And now I have seen the light to understand how smart and far-sighted Khrushchev was.

        You tell the residents of Sevastopol laughing
        Quote: Libr
        For all four days on the Maidan, I have not seen a single drunk. I have not heard a single swear word. People smile at each other like brothers and sisters.

        100 hryvnias (for one day of singing and dancing with the flag of the European Union on the cheek) multiplied by 4, total at least 400 hryvnias for 4 days, which is not something to smile at.
        1. In the book
          In the book 6 December 2013 14: 14
          -15 qualifying.
          I gave the opinion of your compatriot, the source:
          http://andreistp.livejournal.com/1708165.html
          1. ramzes1776
            ramzes1776 6 December 2013 14: 50
            13
            Quote: Libr
            I gave the opinion of your compatriot, the source

            Such "swamp" compatriots are not compatriots to us at all. We also have enough shit, only the people do not take them seriously, unlike the Kiev Euromaidan.
          2. Valkyrie
            Valkyrie 6 December 2013 14: 56
            +2
            A compatriot with a Khokhlyat surname. Bandera, I suppose.
            1. In the book
              In the book 6 December 2013 17: 20
              -5
              Just like you, the native Russian nickname "Valkyrie" wink
          3. illarion
            illarion 6 December 2013 22: 59
            +2
            Most of all in this delirium of Pan Loiko I liked the photo with girls in hats. One says "OBEY" - to obey, to obey orders, to obey. There is still not enough pipe.
        2. Makarov
          Makarov 6 December 2013 20: 32
          -4
          here you are wrong in the slan that they are paid. There, people do not stand upright ... he was in shock.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 6 December 2013 20: 54
            +8
            Quote: Makarov
            here you are wrong in the slan that they are paid

            Pay, pay! There was also a scandal with the "Blow" party that they did not pay on time ... Yes, and on camera, too, the guys, covering their faces, said that they were newcomers and were paid 300 hryvnias! I'm not saying that everyone, but "based" gets paid! Or do you think, why would all the homeless be gathered there? Moreover, the released convicts! Only today a corpse was found! And immediately the opposition screamed and began to look for signs of beating! But it turned out that a man from Lviv came, and he had an open form of tuburculosis, the last stage! I walked in the frost - I shouted, and here is the result!
            In general, now doctors are warning that there are people with open TB, and hapatitis A, and much more! + The unsanitary conditions are terrible! Kyivites will also receive "surprises" for their "tolerance and democracy!"
            1. Makarov
              Makarov 6 December 2013 22: 44
              -4
              I don’t know how you select information for yourself, but I try to check everything ... I specially went there to see whether they are paid or not. I’m sure that they don’t pay the majority, maybe the party’s representatives get the money, but they don’t decide much, people organized there by themselves ... they hate ALL deputies and pro-government and oppositionists ... the opposition helps them, but really has little control .. about the corpse do not know.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 7 December 2013 07: 35
                +1
                the people there organized themselves ...


                Dear, people cannot organize on their own. Because each person is individual. Need an organizer leader.
            2. Rav Seren
              Rav Seren 9 December 2013 18: 17
              +2
              The recruitment for a rally against European integration that the regionals gathered was. There they promised 120 hryvnias - but did not pay. But about Udao - where did the news come from?
            3. felix
              felix 10 December 2013 21: 28
              0
              Pay, pay! There was also a scandal with the "Blow" party that they did not pay on time. Egoza: Stop lying. Who do you please? To your leader Simonenko? What bums, convicts. You either wake up or sleep it off. A man from Lviv came, and he has an open form of tuburculosis, the last stage. Covoto probably has a severe form of paranoia, the last stage! You better look kovo yanyk brought to his meeting, poverty and drunkenness. Normal people do not go for a thief, but this is simply paid. CHEAP for 50 UAH.
          2. illarion
            illarion 7 December 2013 23: 28
            +1
            I am wildly sorry, but you made a mistake. In Russian it is written "not for money."
          3. Oldish
            Oldish 8 December 2013 08: 34
            +1
            The day before yesterday from Ochakiv on a bus they drove homeless 150 UAH per day plus food.
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      3. Egor.nic
        Egor.nic 6 December 2013 14: 06
        +4
        Delirium, half with a vile provocation
        1. acute
          acute 6 December 2013 17: 48
          0
          No you are not right. This is an ordinary provocateur. sits quietly and spoils people’s mood with his verses.
      4. In the book
        In the book 6 December 2013 14: 28
        -14 qualifying.
        Please read another opinion:
        "Of course, it's not so easy to hang on to the ears.
        When the correspondents of our state-owned channels are standing on Khreshchatyk in order to record the synchrony to their reports, they are surrounded by ordinary Kievans and demand to tell the truth. So directly and shout at the camera: "Tell the truth!" But all the same, later in the evening, my Kiev friends called me and asked how I could lie with such inspiration, showing some alcoholics and homeless people on the Maidan, and why I did not do anything about this.
        "What can be done?" - I answer them. Perhaps the correspondents received such a task, or they are lying from the heart - this also happens. However, my friends, who have a good attitude towards Russia and in no way want to lose it, patiently explain to me that Ukrainians, who traditionally love Russian television, watch all this and latently begin to feel Russia as an enemy ... "
        source: http://beldn.do.am/publ/v_chem_dostoinstvo_ukrainy/3-1-0-748
        1. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 6 December 2013 14: 56
          +7
          Quote: Libr
          So directly and shout at the camera: "Tell the truth!" But all the same, later in the evening, my Kiev friends called me and asked how they could lie with such inspiration, showing some alcoholics and homeless people on the Maidan, and why I did not do anything about this.

          Everyone has their own pravda. And what channel of alcoholics and homeless people was showing ??? On the contrary, they talked about well-organized and close-knit groups of "peaceful" protesters. Do you watch Russian channels?
          1. In the book
            In the book 6 December 2013 18: 11
            -3
            Quote: ramzes1776
            Do you watch Russian channels in general?

            Of course I’m watching. In order to know what and how Ukraine is being told about by the media of the fraternal Russian people.
        2. Valkyrie
          Valkyrie 6 December 2013 14: 59
          +6
          We are shown that almost half of Ukraine on the Maidan. That’s the lie.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 6 December 2013 21: 01
            +6
            Quote: Valkyrie
            We are shown that almost half of Ukraine on the Maidan. That’s the lie.

            +100! Peep correspondents checked their investigation. They just figured out the consumption of bread. (After all, everyone eats bread). And, indeed, in two districts - Pechersky and Shevchenkovsky, grain consumption increased sharply, by about 30 percent (in the other districts, as it was, it is). Then, according to the number of inhabitants of the districts, the ratio of the consumption of bread, and it turned out "extra" somewhere 38 thousand 300 people. This is the real figure. Well, add some of the students running home. And that's it! Maximum 50 thousand in ALL maidans, streets and so on. People often ride back and forth. Thus, it is reported that 1000 people are constantly traveling from Lviv - they are replacing those who "defended the shift"!
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      5. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 6 December 2013 14: 39
        +2
        Yes, you are not lucky, but corrupt du..aki! You will understand this very soon, but as always, you will ask for protection from us! And damn Khrushchev!
        1. In the book
          In the book 6 December 2013 17: 23
          -3
          Madam, read the article carefully. It is written on behalf of a citizen of Russia, not a resident of Ukraine.
          Moreover, I give all my comments without my discussion.
          You and your like-minded people can only obgazht .. be different from their opinion and minus.
          1. ramzes1776
            ramzes1776 6 December 2013 18: 14
            +6
            Quote: Libr
            It is written on behalf of a citizen of Russia, not a resident of Ukraine.

            You still read the "yellow" press and hang out on the "Echo of Moscow" forum, there you will surely find your like-minded people. Didn't you kiss the gums with Dzhigurda at the gamedan? By the way, he is also a citizen of Russia. We have enough of this ... negative
            1. In the book
              In the book 6 December 2013 18: 27
              0
              My like-minded people are people who, being patriots of their state, never, under any circumstances, stoop to such phrases:
              Quote: ramzes1776
              With Dzhigurda on geymaydanom case did not kiss the gums?

              And your Dzhigurda can only swear at him and walk in a kilt on Red Square. There was a man as a man, he sang, played a movie, what did it turn into? Probably corrupting influence of Ukraine laughing
              1. ramzes1776
                ramzes1776 6 December 2013 18: 47
                +3
                Quote: Libr
                My like-minded people are people who are patriots of their state

                As I understand it, you belong to those Maidan pseudo-patriots who are ready to change their flag to the pan-European one ??? Then I have nothing to talk with you about.
                1. In the book
                  In the book 6 December 2013 19: 04
                  -4
                  Quote: ramzes1776
                  ready to change your flag to pan-European

                  I consider myself to be those patriots of the Maidan who are ready to build Ukraine without thieves' power. Moreover, with competent leadership, the state of Ukraine is self-sufficient both economically and politically.

                  Quote: ramzes1776
                  Then I have nothing to talk about with you.

                  Mutually
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 7 December 2013 07: 52
                    +4
                    Yeah, it’s noticeable how self-sufficient and independent it is. If you don’t hang on a Russian tit, then on a European one ... he wants to hang.
      6. imrek_ua
        imrek_ua 6 December 2013 16: 27
        +8
        Yes? Do people smile at each other like brothers and sisters, do they feel connected, are they close, relatives to each other?

        And how do you like this story:
        "How to get to the subway!?"
        "No questions! We'll show you now!"
        Normal guys, funny. A holiday after all. After a hundred meters -
        "Bang!"
        A blow to the back of the head. I’m falling ... someone is climbing into his pockets. I don’t remember faces, only eyes - angry, wolfish. Climbed to the clock ...
        Here is the whole text: http://artofwar.ru/l/lopatenko_a_n/text_0060.shtml

        This happened to a man when they celebrated the inauguration of Yushchenko, when all were also brothers and sisters to each other.
        I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!

        On the Maidan there are young people who do not know what they are doing, they just have to "hang out", pensioners who are fed up with a beggarly pension, unemployed people who have lost their jobs "on their way to Europe," and activists who want to rise on a turbid wave.
        And those who are against this Europe are in time trouble. Since they do not want to go to Europe, but they are not on the way with this power either. Yanek's comrades all over Ukraine already got it, they just can not win the 2015 elections. But there is no alternative. Who to choose?!. So we look at this gay parade, damn it ... We are waiting for the weather near the sea. Wait, I feel.
        1. Nataly
          Nataly 9 December 2013 18: 34
          +2
          Agree with you. I remember I had to work several times at Khreshchatyk at that time. Many of my friends told me what a peaceful and benevolent atmosphere is there, love and brotherhood reign ... But with my own eyes I saw something completely different, saw portraits of Yanukovych and his family in mourning frames, I saw young people waving raspberry banners and striving to hook them who weren’t pretty for them passers-by (those who did not have orange symbols), saw drunk with animal faces, etc. I don’t understand, how could people who believed in a brighter future after the Maidan not notice this? Now some do not want to notice much that is on today's Maidan.
      7. acute
        acute 6 December 2013 17: 18
        +9
        Apparently we are going to different hairdressing salons. on the Maidan almost openly pour vodka, people go there to earn money. Well, as for the mat, then you have completely idealized everything. Stop lying to yourself, you’re lying all your life. you that are not in the former Soviet Union. This is when Ukrainians stopped cursing and began to smile at each other? (this is the privilege of downs). go outside and then write all sorts of nonsense
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 7 December 2013 07: 53
          +3
          Apparently we are going to different hairdressing salons. on the Maidan almost openly pour vodka, people go there to earn money. Well, as for the mat


          And this is a standard post. During the swamp, too, they were one to one. Such people are direct, all kind, good, intelligent. But in fact - some Natsiks were worth.
      8. Makarov
        Makarov 6 December 2013 20: 31
        +1
        not so n (unprintable word) you can’t .. you need to know the measure ... there are few drunken people, but I met two at night at 5000 - two or three (loners) at XNUMX nights. If activists do not catch their eye and do not touch, they come across asking to leave the event. The mat also sounds ... not everywhere but it happens ... no need to bend
      9. illarion
        illarion 6 December 2013 22: 51
        +2
        This is Pan Loiko from Echo Moskvy. He even has a Ukrainian flag in his blog, although he writes "we, Muscovites .."
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    5. oaziss
      oaziss 6 December 2013 13: 12
      +4
      Look at the photo report of the Moscow blogger about Maidan
      European revolution in Ukraine, inside view
      http://zyalt.livejournal.com/942866.html?thread=271204882#t271204882
      1. es.d
        es.d 6 December 2013 18: 53
        +5
        "Journalist". We survived the "swamp". We have seen enough of such "photo reports" with "spiritualized" faces.
        Perhaps it was easier for us, because the gap in the uh ... uh ... mentality of "Muscovites" and "Moscow Ring Road" is huge. As they say in an old joke: "... MOSCOW SAYS! ... the rest are working ...". Russia is bigger. A pimple on the "face" is not fatal.
        Although, the Bolsheviks-did.
        Moscow blogger! Novokuibyshevsky plumber! Ugh!
        Probably further will be even worse. What Russia easily digested (by and large, and did not notice), for Ukraine - it is fraught request
        God give you all health!
    6. Docklishin
      Docklishin 6 December 2013 17: 52
      26
      God forbid. And then it really will happen ....
      1. atalef
        atalef 6 December 2013 18: 04
        +2
        Quote: DocKlishin
        God forbid. And then it really will happen ..

        He showed his wife (3rd picture) what will happen to her dad, the girl is in shock wassat
      2. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 6 December 2013 18: 07
        +4
        Quote: DocKlishin
        God forbid. And then it really will happen ....

        5 points laughing After the third drawing, you will definitely have to fence yourself off from such comrades lol
      3. Nataly
        Nataly 9 December 2013 18: 36
        0
        Oh, God forbid!
    7. bddrus
      bddrus 7 December 2013 14: 15
      0
      bad that it amuses you!
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 07: 45
    +4
    Quote: vladsolo56
    . A kind of theatrical protest policy, for which the West rewards sweets in the form of the most popular politician or something like that.

    Is it now about Georgia or Syria? And although there is no, it’s for Ukraine, then it is Putin and Russia as a whole that the West accuses of the fact that Ukraine has not signed the association or are you not aware?
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 6 December 2013 07: 53
      0
      Accuse and what? what do you personally suffer from this?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 07: 56
        +5
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Accuse and what? what do you personally suffer from this?

        Personally, I will not suffer if the Americans begin to bomb Syria. Hand over or what?
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 6 December 2013 07: 59
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: vladsolo56
          Accuse and what? what do you personally suffer from this?

          Personally, I will not suffer if the Americans begin to bomb Syria. Hand over or what?

          What does Syria have to do with it? we are talking about Ukraine, and why did you decide that I would be for leaving Syria and Ukraine. In my opinion, you do not understand the essence of what is written, and you do not know much about your opponent.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 08: 09
            +3
            Quote: vladsolo56
            we are about Ukraine

            And who is to blame for the fact that Ukraine did not sign the association, according to the leaders of the region?
            Quote: vladsolo56
            and why did you decide that I am for leaving Syria and Ukraine.

            Quote: vladsolo56
            Accuse and what? what do you personally suffer from this?

            Well, something like this, you manage to contradict yourself .........
            Quote: vladsolo56
            The Russian authorities, with fear, look at the West before their every word, before their every move.
            Something like that
            Quote: vladsolo56
            In my opinion you do not understand the essence of what is written,

            And in my opinion you do not delve into the essence of what you write hi
          2. washi
            washi 6 December 2013 14: 56
            0
            Quote: vladsolo56
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: vladsolo56
            Accuse and what? what do you personally suffer from this?

            Personally, I will not suffer if the Americans begin to bomb Syria. Hand over or what?

            What does Syria have to do with it? we are talking about Ukraine, and why did you decide that I would be for leaving Syria and Ukraine. In my opinion, you do not understand the essence of what is written, and you do not know much about your opponent.

            What's the difference?
            The same multinational and multi-professional artificially created states. They also steal. The same beginning of protests.
  3. afire
    afire 6 December 2013 07: 49
    +3
    Vladsolo56, It’s better not to write anything than to write such nonsense
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 6 December 2013 07: 52
      -11 qualifying.
      And you are probably the smartest? Is it interesting that you were instilled in school or did you decide so?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 07: 58
        +6
        Quote: vladsolo56
        And you are probably the smartest?

        judging by the posts smarter than some.
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 6 December 2013 08: 02
          0
          Lawyer? well, I understand, the cuckoo praises the cock for praising the cuckoo
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 08: 10
            0
            Quote: vladsolo56
            Lawyer?

            No, prosecutor.
          2. Vasek
            Vasek 6 December 2013 21: 47
            +2
            Quote: vladsolo56
            cuckoo praises the cock for praising the cuckoo

            And for the rooster - you’ll answer! bully angry bully
  4. user
    user 6 December 2013 09: 37
    16
    No, I think everything is going right, if now Russia will drag Ukraine into the vehicle by the ears, the result is predictable. Not only will we finance all their Wishlist, but in some years, all Ukraine will behave like in Lviv or in Ivan Frankovsk accusing us. . . . (even listing is not a hunt for anything). This is the Americans can take and go home. THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORS. And let them make their choice, with blood or in a democratic way. But it will be their choice if someone does not go to the rally or does not want to participate in it, like it’s not my business or they will solve everything without us. This is also their choice.
    Remember how the White House was shot, and normal life flowed on the neighboring streets. It was the choice of the Russians.
    Now it’s their turn to sort out at home, today there is no open external aggression there, so go ahead.

    Remember how in the song:
    No one will help us, not a god, not a king or a hero.

    Only yourself.
    1. Canep
      Canep 6 December 2013 09: 59
      +4
      Then I read the news: Yanukovych Chinese have broken off with grandmasand, now for Ukraine, the choice is simple or default or TS.
      1. avt
        avt 6 December 2013 10: 58
        +8
        Quote: Canep
        The Chinese broke off Yanukovych with grandmas, now for Ukraine the choice is simple or default or TS.

        And in the end they will choose an association and there will be a default. The author can be understood, this is fun for the swamp hamsters - they went to a rally, sang songs and took the subway home to a warm apartment. But if they shake it in Kiev is not childish, okay there is no one to remove the garbage, but if the water is turned off in an apartment building, but with heating? Yes, when the toilet does not work corny? "Passionaries" have no time to think about this. All the little things in comparison with the "world revolution". In general, "Heart of a Dog" begins in Kiev, well, where Shvonder sings with the house committee, and here is Preobrazhensky - "The House is Lost!" So they are going to start stealing galoshes, then turn off the steam heating. How else? Independence however.
      2. rolik
        rolik 6 December 2013 13: 29
        +4
        Quote: Canep
        Then I read the news: the Chinese broke Yanukovych with grandmas, now for Ukraine the choice is simple or default or TS.

        So, all the same, I ran to China for money. At the same time, abandoning the fate of the situation in the country. Yes .... a strong president, nothing to say. Instead of starting to work, he is engaged in begging, and all the time that he is in power. A true leader, long ago, he would have driven all this maidan-opposition rifle into holes, and began to restore the economy.
        1. GDP
          GDP 6 December 2013 14: 34
          +7
          A true leader, long ago, he would have driven all this maidan-opposition rifleman into holes, and began to restore the economy.

          Like Lukashenko ... Despite all his shortcomings, he nevertheless provided his country with strong, strong power, stability and solvency of the 2 population after Russia in the CIS
          1. Valkyrie
            Valkyrie 6 December 2013 14: 48
            +7
            What shortcomings do you know about Lukashenka? For example, I don't know. Name it, be so kind. According to you, he even has a lot of them. How did he with "all his shortcomings" manage to raise the country like that?
      3. Egoza
        Egoza 6 December 2013 21: 12
        +1
        Quote: Canep
        Yanukovych the Chinese broke off with grandmas,

        This is a lie from the opposition! Already exhibited in a mosaic, so here only -
        http://telegraf.com.ua/ukraina/politika/932986-vizit-viktora-yanukovicha-v-kitay
        -zavershilsya.html
      4. Vasek
        Vasek 6 December 2013 22: 00
        +1
        Quote: Canep
        Then I read the news: the Chinese broke Yanukovych with grandmas, now for Ukraine the choice is simple or default or TS.

        But the news is newer:
        Russian President Vladimir Putin held a working meeting in Sochi with Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.
        "the heads of state discussed issues of trade and economic cooperation in various sectors of the economy and the preparation of a future Treaty on strategic partnership "
    2. optimist
      optimist 6 December 2013 11: 04
      +9
      Quote: user
      No, I think everything is going right, if now Russia will drag Ukraine into the vehicle by the ears, the result is predictable. Not only will we finance all their Wishlist, but in some years, all Ukraine will behave like in Lviv or in Ivan Frankovsk accusing us. . . . (even listing is not a hunt for anything). This is the Americans can take and go home. THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORS. And let them make their choice, with blood or in a democratic way. But it will be their choice if someone does not go to the rally or does not want to participate in it, like it’s not my business or they will solve everything without us. This is also their choice.

      Absolutely right! For Russia, now the best option is not to go there. Sooner or later, Ukraine will still be torn apart into 2 or even 3 parts. The pro-Russian regions will go to Russia, the pro-Western ones to the EU. In its current borders and condition, Ukraine is not viable (sadly). Over the course of 20 years, the Ukrainian government somehow managed to woo "yours and ours" - but now it's time to make a choice, under whom to lie ...
      1. rolik
        rolik 6 December 2013 13: 31
        +6
        Quote: optimist
        Pro-Russian regions will go to Russia,

        I am only FOR and plus Crimea. Nefig them leave the All-Union Health Resort.
    3. Algor73
      Algor73 6 December 2013 12: 20
      -12 qualifying.
      "... if now Russia drags Ukraine into the CU by the ears, the result is predictable. Not only will we finance all their Wishlist, but in some years all of Ukraine will behave like in Lvov or Ivan-Frankivsk accusing us ... "
      If so, why is there such a struggle for Ukraine? Why is Putin so zealously "asking" Yanukovych to join the Customs Union? To feed? Who is narrow-minded - you or Putin with his government and Lavrov? What choice can Ukraine independently make now, who will give it to make such a choice (Europe will not give up, and Russia will not stumble). Let's not scatter lofty matters, but really look at events.
      1. rolik
        rolik 6 December 2013 13: 34
        +8
        Quote: Algor73
        Why is Putin so zealously "asking" Yanukovych to join the Customs Union? To feed? Who is narrow-minded - you or Putin with his government and Lavrov?

        He no longer asks, there is too much honor for such a go ... as Yanyk. We are now just looking at the agony of Ukraine. Helped all 20 years, and now I just want to see. Eastern regions, Crimea - welcome, the rest tries to Europe (as the same Preobrazhensky said) to clean sheds.
        1. Algor73
          Algor73 6 December 2013 18: 55
          -2
          "He's not asking for it anymore, there is too much honor for someone like ... Yanyk. We are now just looking at the agony of Ukraine. We helped all 20 years, but now I just want to see it. Eastern regions, Crimea - welcome, the rest of us are in Europe. .. "
          You may look at Ukraine and see its agony (he always sees what he wants to see), but Putin nevertheless asks how sad this sounds to you personally. Concerning Eastern Ukraine, and Crimea, they (except for individual individuals), so far, are not asking for Russia. You are already deciding who to accept and who not to accept, that is, share the skin of an unkilled bear. Over the past 20 years, no one has asked for you (to Russia) and has not voluntarily joined you. a union state was created with Belarus, but Lukashenko stubbornly does not want reunification for some reason.
          You can together minus. But it's time to take off the pink glasses and look at the world with a sober look (I do not mean drunk that I would not offend anyone)
          1. imrek_ua
            imrek_ua 7 December 2013 15: 28
            +1
            Don't you see the agony? And what, then, is what is happening with us called? The base is almost completely destroyed, and the superstructure only "rises" on its destruction. Agony is.
            A. More. Are you hooked on the word "asks" ?. And the one who is stronger can afford any form of order. Can "ask". Or maybe bend. And we can only rejoice that our Janek is still "asked". Although geyropa seems to be already trying to bend.
      2. user
        user 6 December 2013 13: 42
        10
        Nowhere does official Moscow say anything except "'This is the choice of a sovereign country", this is time. There is no external aggression that would allow any power or alliance under the plausible pretext of "protecting democracy" to interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine, that's two. And the fact that you cannot cope with internal opposition, it only shows the weakness of the authorities and your internal disagreement and nothing more.
        Well, where is the hand of Moscow, which does not let go of sovereign Ukraine.
        1. avt
          avt 6 December 2013 14: 38
          +3
          Quote: user
          Well, where is the hand of Moscow, which does not let go of sovereign Ukraine.

          Svidomity justify the infection, you won’t wait long. For this the matter will not be, in all cases and the Mtsherts are to blame. But do not look for the logic in their claims.
      3. dm98
        dm98 6 December 2013 14: 20
        +9
        Quote: Algor73
        Why is Putin so zealously "asking" Yanukovych to join the Customs Union?


        Did you come up with this yourself?
        Here it is brainwashing in Ukrainian in its purest form.

        Putin clearly said: "Ukraine is a sovereign state and she herself must decide where to join."
      4. Farik
        Farik 6 December 2013 15: 46
        +5
        Quote: Algor73
        Why is Putin so zealously "asking" Yanukovych to join the Customs Union? To feed? Who is narrow-minded - you or Putin with his government and Lavrov?

        Is it for you the local media "go over the ears like that" or in a dream dreamed ???
      5. POMA
        POMA 6 December 2013 17: 51
        +5
        We all perfectly imagine what’s going on, and I personally spit where you’re going to, in the European Union or the CU, I don’t give a damn, the point is that the brotherly country, the ancestress of Russia is totally infected with Russophobia, denies the truths and dogmas that have been the whole history of our coexistence, all of your new Ukrainian history is pouring mud and lies on the labors and exploits of our peoples, and your union with the European Union will be the greatest betrayal since the time of Mazepa.
        Where were you when parades of Banderaites took place in your squares, why you didn’t stop these old senility, why a country that made a huge contribution to the 2nd World War is proud of the geeks of Bandera, mazeps, and skuhreny. What the hell Sevastopol and Odessa suddenly became not Russian cities.
        And do not join us TS give ours and plug your mongrel.
      6. Starina_hank
        Starina_hank 6 December 2013 20: 04
        +1
        Far more real, divide and conquer, just to the point of idiocy!
    4. demel2
      demel2 6 December 2013 19: 05
      +2
      They will make the choice themselves. And in a year, NATO will establish a missile defense system against North Korea near Belgorod. IMHO.
    5. Nataly
      Nataly 9 December 2013 18: 46
      +1
      You, dear, for some reason do not mention those who are absolutely against all sorts of revolutions and there are many of them. And we remember that the Russians and Ukrainians are fraternal peoples, and Moscow is closer to us. How to be with our opinion. In the end, we did not go to any Maidan throughout the reign of the Yushchenko, patiently waited for his term to end. Now it’s the turn to be patient of all Maidanophylls and not to start a civil war ...
  5. Canep
    Canep 6 December 2013 09: 57
    14
    Quote: vladsolo56
    The Russian authorities, with fear, look at the West before their every word, before their every move. After all, God forbid what is wrong to do, or not blurt out.
    Is Putin looking scared west? Remember the G8 - one against 7, and he managed to break up the anti-Syrian coalition
    Quote: vladsolo56
    A kind of theatrical protest policy, for which the West rewards sweets in the form of the most popular politician or something like that.
    What are the sweets? They would love to call Obama Huseynovich the most influential person, but he behaves this way and has such results that he would not even believe it, let alone readers of the magazine, and even more so. Forbes chose: either to lick ass Obama and lose his reputation, or to appoint Putin the most influential person.
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  7. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 6 December 2013 11: 06
    13
    Quote: vladsolo56
    The Russian authorities, with fear, look at the West before their every word, before their every move.

    It seems to me that GDP here has taken a wait-and-see position, and has relied on undercover games in Ukraine itself. For all my dislike of Putin, this move is correct. By direct intervention and threats, we will only restore against ourselves that part of the people of Ukraine that understands the depravity of joining the EU. When there is no agreement in the comrades, someone will get a third. And we need to make it be the EU, not us.hi
  8. host
    host 6 December 2013 11: 08
    +9
    Russia should not thoughtlessly fund those who, in a "difficult time", offended by Geyropa's lack of attention, will look to the east with entreaty!
    The Russians are not an international Ministry for Emergencies to save the economies of the former socialist camp, leaders of states that have stupidly sold to the West.
    Russia needs to pity and increase its people.
    It is necessary to monitor the situation in the world, it is necessary to support morally, perhaps financially, just not to be mistaken as with Yanukovych.
    1. Vasek
      Vasek 6 December 2013 22: 29
      +2
      Quote: master
      Russia should not thoughtlessly fund those who, in a "difficult time", offended by Geyropa's lack of attention, will look to the east with entreaty!

      It is thoughtless to finance anyone at all and is worth nothing.
      But financing the "opposition opposition" supporting integration with the Customs Union is simply necessary!
      So far, this is the only possible (and only legal) way to influence the internal political situation in Ukraine.
      (IMHO)
  9. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 6 December 2013 12: 07
    +1
    first you need to clean the fifth column, free the constitution from separate articles, which excuse me for the last 20 years, the Minister of Finance will pay anything against his beloved teachers? Yes, they are all, like Kudrin, only from the office and immediately into the opposition.
  10. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 6 December 2013 14: 02
    +3
    The fact is that if you buy another scum against one scum, we are on a par with the West. And on what subject then choose us? We have immeasurably less money. In games like "set one bastard on another" Russia will always lose - this is not Russian. And if you do something, striving to defeat the champion, you can only do your own. If you do exactly what the champion does, you will lose a hundred times out of a hundred. He is a champion, he does his best.
    We can’t buy a horde of provocateurs to beat Bandera outposts on the streets of Kiev and shove them out of there. We can’t buy politicians to arrange creative performances with grimaces and jumps in the Rada than today's Ukrainian political party. It will destroy us.
    It’s good to be Russian, but not easy. When the author of the article ripens in order to be Russian, and not just write in Russian, he will understand what HE has to do. Not an uncle, but he himself. This is unfair, I understand. But this is how it works — they always dishonestly with Russians. Because honestly, we always win ...
    1. GDP
      GDP 6 December 2013 14: 41
      +2
      We can’t buy a horde of provocateurs to beat Bandera outposts on the streets of Kiev and shove them out of there. We cannot buy politicians,

      Why can't we? What should we do in 90 to keep our arms outstretched and calmly endure beatings?
      And then who will call our state Great?
      We must use all methods, both ours and their own, to protect millions of Russians and prevent us from quarreling with fraternal and friendly peoples ...
      Another thing is that you need to do it wisely.
  11. vitamin ky
    vitamin ky 6 December 2013 14: 08
    +4
    MDE, here’s a coincidence - even a year ago I wrote in some sort of Temko-that inform war on the territory of Ukraine -Russia not only does not develop - but completely merged No.
    and so who else knows how would it really turn out !!!! At the moment there are 3 layers of the population –– –– European integrators –– naughty ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– 1 - there is something to be done - work here is the meaning of these people - yes, they also are not averse to rallying - but sober reason and human integrity suggest that work is the best for the country and its beloved - well, and the third part is mainly people who all anyway, this policy is so sick of them — these squabbles are undercover tumbling that they will go on smashing everyone simply out of feelings of hatred for everything and everyone — and if everything is clear with the first two — then the third is a powder keg — and who it works for — is that a question?
    Well, there’s still a layer — politicians, they, like bankers, are sure that the homeland is where they feel good — but not where they were born and raised — sadly, but it’s a fact
  12. Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 6 December 2013 15: 13
    +3
    Quote: vladsolo56
    The thing is that Western countries do not hesitate to finance and support provocateurs even without brazen demonstrators. The Russian authorities, with fear, look at the West before their every word, before their every move. After all, God forbid what is wrong to do, or not blurt out. A kind of theater protest policy, for which the West rewards sweets in the form of the most popular politician or something like that.

    everything is extremely simple ...
    Ukraine, once and for all, must decide with whom it ...
    she must solve it herself, without our money, and take responsibility for her decision ...
    1. Walking
      Walking 6 December 2013 16: 06
      +9
      Should Russia help them? Why should Russia help everyone? You live there and you can’t figure it out yourself and just pray come help and you yourself are weak. Too many Russia helped and in return received disrespect and betrayal.
  13. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 6 December 2013 16: 38
    +2
    and doesn’t know who to ask for help from, and whether there will be help ...

    No one will help, except for yourself. Or what do you want Russia to bring in troops? Who will you vote for in the next election? Think ....
    Ukraine wanted independence, she got it. Save, help out of date. How much Russia needs to invest to make Ukraine feel good?
  14. _Forgiven_
    _Forgiven_ 6 December 2013 17: 32
    +8
    The problem is not that pro-Russian parties and leaders are embarrassed to finance. They just simply have money distributed in their pockets for a long time, until they have taken at least what they have. But it makes sense to America to finance this entire mess - missile defense right on the border with Russia and the new state will become a cash cow at NATO and the United States. Their consumer goods will trample in our country, and in the meantime, jobs and production will be reduced in our country.
    It's just that Western propaganda works for "Hurray", she spits all sorts of nonsense, and here all sorts of stupid people are happy to try for 100 rubles a day to freeze on the street for days and throw stones and demand jelly rivers performed by the EU. It's sad in fact, you won't even envy the people of Kiev to live among this srach and thugs on the street with Nazi inclinations
  15. Ivan.
    Ivan. 6 December 2013 18: 14
    0
    Quote: vladsolo56
    The thing is that Western countries do not hesitate to finance and support provocateurs even without brazen demonstrators. The Russian authorities are looking fearfully at the West

    No, this is not the point, just most countries have puppet governments that express not the will of the people but puppeteers pulling the strings, the same applies to the SMD (mass disinformation media) and all "international institutions".
  16. ele1285
    ele1285 6 December 2013 22: 20
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    The thing is that Western countries do not hesitate to finance and support provocateurs even without brazen demonstrators. The Russian authorities, with fear, look at the West before their every word, before their every move. After all, God forbid what is wrong to do, or not blurt out. A kind of theater protest policy, for which the West rewards sweets in the form of the most popular politician or something like that.


    There is one homosexual minority. Let them rattle
  17. skeptic-
    skeptic- 6 December 2013 22: 35
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    After all, God forbid what is wrong to do, or not blurt out.


    Western provocateurs know their stuff. Russia is placed in such a position that with any kind of active action, it may be in shit (aggressor, colonialist, invader, etc.) Now is the moment of truth for Ukraine and for the Ukrainian people. Russia will be able to intervene only if there is a threat of the complete destruction of Ukraine in the flames of a civil war and the official request of a legitimate government. In another way - most likely nothing. To the great regret.
  18. Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 6 December 2013 23: 53
    +2
    I'm afraid they’ll ban me. Although, no, I'm not afraid. Ready for the bann. I advise everyone to listen to pseudo-screening !!!! http: //www.audiopoisk.com/track/no/mp3/le6enko-lev---eto-radost-so-
    slezami-na-glaz-etot-prazdnik-s-sedenou-na-viskahden-pobediden-pobediden-pobedi /
  19. A. Yaga
    A. Yaga 7 December 2013 02: 32
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    The Russian authorities, with fear, look at the West before their every word, before their every move.

    Not so simple? maybe nowhere to go? : http: //ungu.org/? p = 10374 - In Ukraine, a play is being played for a subsequent blow to Russia.
  20. vvp901
    vvp901 8 December 2013 20: 06
    0
    Your words should not be addressed to the Russian but to the Ukrainian authorities! The Russians have clearly indicated their position, but they don’t want to organize a civil war in Ukraine with their intervention. What the Anglo-Saxons really want. By the time, the Ukrainian authorities should stop bargaining and make a choice and follow it before end. West rages not casual time is running out, the money spent can not be returned, and the goal is not achieved.
  21. Rav Seren
    Rav Seren 9 December 2013 18: 14
    +1
    Can you show payments from the West? Or is it so - blah blah, decaying imperialism is again taking up arms against Russia?
  22. Imigrantt
    Imigrantt 10 December 2013 21: 17
    +1
    I agree!!!! But not with everything !!!!! South - East of Ukraine is silent in the passive !!! As during the orange plague, they will again drill through a small bunch of gorlopans and zhopalizats of the west, in the hope of chance !!!! Well, in this case, do not blame Russia and its power !!!! This is a quiet public choice !!! Everyone is waiting for who will give more !! And there the curve will take somewhere !!! This is today's ministry of the people, yes - yes the people !!!! Which has a motto; us there - and we are getting stronger !!!! Do not blame the Russian authorities for not being incompetent! Ukraine is independent and nezalezhnaya !!! As the saying goes, they fought for it and ran into it !!! Political prostitutes always end badly !!!! And everything will end with the collapse to the west and east already officially! After all, unofficially this happened a very long time ago !!! And do not put cons, because I live at the moment in the Crimea and I see all this! And there’s nothing to blame - to blame for the healthy !!!!!
  • Tartary
    Tartary 6 December 2013 07: 42
    22
    Quote: vladsolo56
    The Russian authorities, with fear, look at the West before their every word, before their every move. After all, God forbid what is wrong to do, or not blurt out. A kind of theatrical protest policy, for which the West rewards sweets in the form of the most popular politician or something like that.

    Does someone look scared?
    What kind of person are you?
    Why Russia will climb to save walruses swimming in the ice hole? Go try to really help them, at least in word, at least in deed, pro-Western propaganda will kill the remaining 50 percent or more of the people to death ...
    A wise walrus should be the first to swim out of the ice hole and go to the Russian bathhouse to take a steam bath ... YOURSELF, and not the mother affectionately called - "Vanya, it's time to go home" ... Go out yourself and take your own people - God forbid they catch a cold ...

    And let the dumb pony walrus splash on until coconuts freeze and inflammation of the lungs and other organs comes out ...

    The author does not know what to do? It's funny ... You need to read the classics or watch a movie ... Then you would know "Who is to blame!" and "What to do!"
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 6 December 2013 07: 48
      -19 qualifying.
      It is you yourself who confirm my words, it is not clear only if there is any indignation. You look around correctly, because if Europe starts to be indignant, then personally you will become worse off from this, you will not be allowed to go to America, you will not be given a visa to Europe.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 07: 59
        30
        Quote: vladsolo56
        if Europe starts to be indignant, then personally you will become worse off from this, they will not let you go to America, they will not give a visa to Europe.

        Bugaga wassat Someone will not be allowed, then 90% spat on the US and the EU and their visas.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 6 December 2013 09: 13
          +5
          Sanya, a man is raving. Haha, for example, they will not let me in the USA now))) And not even that they will not let me in, they will not let me out.))
          And even if they release it, then I’m not burning with desire.

          In general, of course, the capacious crap turned out to be saturated.
          Hi!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 09: 19
            0
            Quote: klimpopov
            In general, of course, the capacious crap turned out to be saturated.

            Hi Klim! It's not evening yet, everything is ahead wink I understand that you are already at work laughing
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 6 December 2013 09: 25
              +2
              Yes Yes! At work))) We have a cold weather, going out into the "fields" is not a hunt.
          2. Tartary
            Tartary 8 December 2013 12: 59
            0
            Quote: klimpopov
            ) And not even that they will not let me in, they won't let me out.))

            I was absent for two days, please forgive that the apostle arose ... hi

            Such garbage - doesn’t soar that they will not let in, it does not soar that they will not let out ... request lol

            Let them there, and we (I) here ... easier and safer for them, and for me ... winked
    2. acute
      acute 6 December 2013 10: 53
      12
      I understand. that it's hard to part with your illusions, but Ukraine has already left. another thing is that no one closed her retreat back. This is their choice and it is not necessary to lure them into the vehicle for our money. let people frolic. But those who work in Russia need to make it clear that they are citizens of another country with the ensuing consequences. it's time to stop calling them brothers. "You are not my brother." yesterday I watched the program "Towards the Barrier". I was very surprised by the behavior of Khakamada. A sort of covetous woman in her fifties. And so turn around and so. just look at how much contempt for your rival and opponents. And everyone is stupid except her beloved. And what fellow Ukrainians are that are so aggressively fighting for power (read for freedom). a person is promoting himself to the fullest. One thing I don’t understand is why she is sitting in this dark Russia. Well, I would go to Japan, or Europe, so no, no one needs her there, and she is ready to hand over the "poor" Ukrainians there. Where is the logic?
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 6 December 2013 11: 15
        +3
        Well, I would go to Japan, or Europe, so no, no one needs her there, and she is ready to hand over the "poor" Ukrainians there. Where is the logic?

        Because she is here on a mission. Here the owners will withdraw, then they will leave. Or folk pitchforks, although I wouldn’t bother about it, there’s a better person.

        PS By the way, my dad calls her Irina Kukamaka ...
      2. plut-k
        plut-k 6 December 2013 12: 05
        +3
        akut, and you drew attention to the results of the vote, about 1/4 not in favor of Khakamada, but still even one quarter is not so small. Now imagine what will happen in Russia if our authorities (Putin) only try to actively, openly intervene in the course of events in Ukraine. So for starters, you should clean up your own house.
      3. plut-k
        plut-k 6 December 2013 12: 05
        0
        akut, and you drew attention to the results of the vote, about 1/4 not in favor of Khakamada, but still even one quarter is not so small. Now imagine what will happen in Russia if our authorities (Putin) only try to actively, openly intervene in the course of events in Ukraine. So for starters, you should clean up your own house.
      4. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 6 December 2013 12: 50
        +4
        .AKUT_ let people frolic. No. when they "frolic" in the gamerope, why should they be to us, such that ... wassat
      5. rolik
        rolik 6 December 2013 13: 45
        +4
        Quote: akut
        A sort of manger for fifty. And so turn around and so. you just look how much contempt for the opponent and opponents. Yes, and stupid everyone except her beloved.

        And you would see how she begins to insult the opponent when she realizes that he is replaying her. I, was the case, saw. After that, not a bit of respect was left for this .... lyady. But on the transfer from Solovyov, her opponent gloriously did it, well done)))
        And who needs it "there" ???? do you think this misunderstanding will be ready to lead the movement "Occupy Wall Street" ????? I am not very sure of this, because it is dangerous there, they can be locked up in a democratic prison and left without grants. For that in our barbarian country, I don't want to go for a walk, eat up Western grants (did you see who was in her support?), And spray your guano everywhere.
  • Leisure
    Leisure 6 December 2013 07: 44
    +6
    How the Russian government will support the Russians in Ukraine and the Baltic states, if it does not support it in Russia.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 07: 47
      +8
      Quote: Lazer
      if he doesn’t support himself in Russia.

      Do you live badly?
      1. afire
        afire 6 December 2013 07: 50
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Do you live badly?

        I join the question ....
      2. Gecko
        Gecko 6 December 2013 11: 01
        +4
        Probably not enough for a second car ...
        1. Canep
          Canep 6 December 2013 11: 54
          +2
          Quote: gecko
          Probably not enough for a second car ...
          We live really badly nowhere to park. laughing A parking lot for 100 cars near the plant (280 workers) where I work is crammed in both winter and summer. In the yard, too, there is often nowhere to stumble.
          1. rolik
            rolik 6 December 2013 13: 51
            +1
            Quote: Canep
            We live really badly, there is nowhere to park the car.

            We have such a parking nearby, across the road, with the company banged. Like a football field, a healthy one, otherwise the car really had nowhere to stick. And the workers, 80 percent, cars. Now a blunder, we park without problems))))))
          2. screw cutter
            screw cutter 6 December 2013 15: 40
            +1
            Yeah, I’m even afraid to imagine Moscow, and any other Russian yards and parking lots, if a used foreign car in good condition would cost 600 bucks.
            1. VasDA
              VasDA 10 December 2013 06: 54
              0
              well, I don’t know ... for 600 bucks many of us don’t need a gift ... lol with the development of the dealer network, people are taking more and more new cars ... already a problem - where to put the old stuff? ...
          3. Setrac
            Setrac 6 December 2013 16: 14
            +1
            Quote: Canep
            We live really badly, there is nowhere to park the car.

            Each joke has a fraction of a joke, what good is it if there is nowhere to park the car?
          4. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 6 December 2013 17: 08
            +1
            Quote: Canep
            Parking for 100 cars near the factory (280 workers) where I work is crammed in both winter and summer

            Aha, we don’t park after 8 either. And a lady not in a fur coat is rarely seen .... One pensioner here is thinking in pain, what to buy a new car or another apartment ....
            1. Starina_hank
              Starina_hank 6 December 2013 20: 25
              +1
              You gentlemen and comrades with your cars are just like poops with glass beads, they also could not get enough of one time!
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 6 December 2013 16: 13
          0
          Quote: gecko
          Probably not enough for a second car ...

          True idea, my wife needs to buy a car and .... LIVING.
  • major071
    major071 6 December 2013 07: 56
    26
    Ukraine blames Russia for all its mortal sins, now Russia still has to get into the internal showdown of a sovereign state - then it’s certain that all the dogs will be hanged on us. So yapping is coming from all directions that Putin thwarted the signing of an agreement with the EU. stop
    1. HAM
      HAM 6 December 2013 08: 38
      10
      And in my opinion this is: "Zaporozhets" is not a car, a Kievite is not a man "- stop whining and look at Putin, do something YOURSELF, or are used to the fact that the" senior "will come and settle everything, and then this" senior "can be thrown and about .... b.
      1. complete zero
        complete zero 6 December 2013 09: 38
        +4
        ("Man") - is it time to forget this people's pearl (at least at the level of Internet communication), otherwise we will push away the last potential allies, or do you think Russia has nowhere to put them? PS-many Ukrainians have done more for the Russian state than you and me ...
        1. acute
          acute 6 December 2013 11: 00
          +2
          For our country with you, not only Ukrainians did "something". This was done by both the Germans and the British and the Georgians and the Japanese and other nations. Measure, try. friend today and enemy tomorrow. Nothing is worse than yesterday's friends
          1. complete zero
            complete zero 6 December 2013 11: 12
            0
            Sir, I agree with you completely, the conversation is just about Ukraine and not Japan (100 years of its prosperity)
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 6 December 2013 11: 17
            +1
            Quote: akut
            . Try to measure. Today is a friend, and tomorrow is an enemy

            Ukrainians are part of the Russian people, as a result of intrigues of certain people who find themselves abroad. And you need to try to return them to the bosom of the family.
            1. acute
              acute 6 December 2013 17: 58
              +2
              Well, they do not want to be in the bosom of the family. What do you rape them. They are adults and they themselves will understand where to go. this children can be taught while they are across the bench, and when along .... forcibly sweet you will not. Well, we don’t need such a wedding
              Fuck without love.
        2. HAM
          HAM 6 December 2013 13: 17
          +3
          And you listen to what friends are saying on the Maidan, agreed to the fact that the Kremlin rapes Ukrainian women. Unfortunately, normal people do not try to do anything, and thugs on the Maidan will make a German by the name of Klitschko the next president.
        3. washi
          washi 6 December 2013 15: 12
          +1
          Quote: full zero
          ("Man") - is it time to forget this people's pearl (at least at the level of Internet communication), otherwise we will push away the last potential allies, or do you think Russia has nowhere to put them? PS-many Ukrainians have done more for the Russian state than you and me ...

          I agree, but they did not consider themselves Ukrainians.
          They considered themselves Russian.
          Shevchenko's "great poet" became great because of the obscurity of Rus. Read his letters. Solid r .....
    2. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 6 December 2013 09: 08
      21
      Quote: major071
      Putin thwarted the signing of an agreement with the EU.

      Let them rejoice hi
    3. klimpopov
      klimpopov 6 December 2013 09: 14
      12
      And in any case, Russia was appointed guilty. At least sign it, at least not!
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 6 December 2013 11: 23
        +4
        Quote: klimpopov
        And in any case, Russia was appointed guilty. At least sign it, at least not!

        The most important thing is not to focus on the guilt complex. laughing He raised his hand, and lowered it with famous words. laughing
      2. Cristall
        Cristall 6 December 2013 12: 53
        0
        What are you up to this mantra? If he says on the air that Russia is to blame, do you attribute this phrase, as if every representative of the nation was shouting at every corner? I assure you, I and those whom I know do not shout or think so. Do not interfere with those who, in addition to "loud accusations" lack brains, and sing a mantra. From which I personally do not understand --- the one who is to blame is justified. And it's a sin for you to make excuses, you better smile. America is everywhere to blame - is there something justified there?
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 6 December 2013 14: 03
          +1
          What language did you write now? (No offense) Letters and words like Russian but did not catch the point.

          Re-read, a couple of times, it seems to have come ...

          At the expense of those "who shout" again, if I understand the meaning correctly.
          They shout just very often (including here) about the fact that literally: "What did Russia do for that? ..." Continue? That is, in any case, Russia owes something. Such logic?
          smile better.

          Yes, tired of smiling and pretending that everything is fine. And if you smile for a long time then they can take for a fool.

          As for the rest, read my koment below ...
          Thank you! hi
        2. washi
          washi 6 December 2013 15: 31
          0
          Blame the population of the outskirts. And whose outskirts it considers itself to be, these are not our problems. One site was enough for me
          http://ukrpolitforum.com/page9532.html
          This is just one topic.
          I recommend other topics on the same site.
          My conclusions: Ukrainians are enemies.
          Russians on the illegally torn territory do not need to be protected (with whom you will be led).
          Kiev, i.e. Galichinsky authorities are satisfied. Otherwise, the Nazis would be demolished.
          Decay further, but without Our money.

          Do not give money to the Nazis
          Outskirts - this is RussiaTrue Polish, Tatar, Hungarian, Romanian, Jew - Russian ..
    4. saha471
      saha471 6 December 2013 09: 54
      +3
      Is it really scary that "all the dogs will be hanged"? And so, won't they hang? Oh, the fear of the West is deeply nestled .... It's time to squeeze out of yourself, drop by drop! what
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 6 December 2013 11: 19
        +1
        Yes, I generally deeply side that they hang there or not hang. I stated a fact.
        And it’s even a shame when the Ukrainian people blame Russia for everything (although it has been doing this for 20 years and nothing) ...
  • awg75
    awg75 6 December 2013 07: 59
    +8
    Russia will certainly help than it can --- but the Ukrainian people themselves should write their history of Ukraine. get together and throw out the henchmen of pedoEurope and the USA, fight for your destiny don't be vegetables
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 08: 11
      +1
      Quote: awg75
      Russia will certainly help than it can--

      Ukraine no longer needs Russia's help. Yanukovych scored 8 billion dollars from the Chinese. Now he will come to Moscow and will bend his fingers.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 6 December 2013 10: 07
        +1
        8 billion INVESTMENTS. One of the articles of family income. Rollback, well, and stealing. Question Is Ukraine expensive for these investments? The East is a delicate matter, and the Far East is also insidious.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 11: 20
          0
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          8 billion INVESTMENTS.

          Not an investment, but a loan!
      2. washi
        washi 6 December 2013 15: 34
        0
        Polish journalists launched a campaign to abolish visas for Ukrainians

        Influential Polish newspapers launched campaigns in support of the European aspirations of Ukrainians.
        So the newspaper Rzeczpospolita issued a statement in which it requires Polish and European politicians to cancel visas for citizens of Ukraine.
        Journalists called on Polish politicians to influence EU leaders to make a common decision on Ukraine.
        "First of all, there should be a declaration on the abolition of visas for Ukrainians. It will give them the opportunity to travel easier to the EU countries," urges Rzeczpospolita.

        Another influential Polish newspaper, Wyborcza, also holds an action in support of Ukrainians.
        1. HAM
          HAM 6 December 2013 17: 10
          +2
          Their plumbers are over, probably.
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 6 December 2013 11: 00
      0
      Quote: awg75
      Russia will certainly help than it can --- but the Ukrainian people themselves should write their history of Ukraine.


      to fig they have written for 23 years. Oh how! "Ukrainian people", and what is it? "ethnos" I agree.
    3. Cristall
      Cristall 6 December 2013 12: 57
      +6
      Quote: awg75
      throw out the proteges of pedoEurope and the USA

      What are you? They cannot be thrown out not by you, not Germany or Japan.
      There are few supporters of the EU - people want the benefits of civilization, not realizing that they will not receive them. But these are not supporters, but deceived.
      You need to throw a couple of thousand ... or put him in a hospital ... then yes ... there are enough idiots. They just gathered them at one time in one place and it seems that the whole city is like this and the country is like that.
  • makarov
    makarov 6 December 2013 08: 00
    +3
    Old joke with a beard:
    An elderly patient came to the doctor with a complaint, they say the "unit" is not worth it. The doctor walked around, felt, tapped, (probably even smelled, in those days they were meticulous), shrugged his shoulders, and asked: - how old are you, dear? Grandfather proudly blurted out: - 75! Doctor let him explain about aging and physiology. To which the patient indignantly issued: - my neighbor is 80, and he SAYS that he has a stake !!
    To which the doctor answered with a grin: - AND YOU SPEAK !!!
    P.S. smart will understand what it is I gave koment.
  • Damascus
    Damascus 6 December 2013 08: 00
    +6
    The slogan "Hutin Puy!"
    - Feel free :-).
    And why should Russia do anything now? They do not kill anyone, they do not cut. This is not Georgia 2008.
    They shouted, dispersed, went on to unemployment further. There are enough of their smut.
  • Candy wrapper
    Candy wrapper 6 December 2013 08: 06
    17
    We were actually in occupation here!

    We are from the time of the collapse of the USSR in occupation, our homeland of the USSR! Our Motherland was taken from us. The Russian Federation, like Ukraine, is an oligarchic litter. You need to regain your homeland - the USSR! And all of us born in the Soviet Union need to realize this. Our time comes, 30-40 year olds. Brothers! We will break the ridge of the thieves' evil spirits, we will raise the banner of our grandfathers who shed blood for our Motherland!
    1. complete zero
      complete zero 6 December 2013 09: 44
      +3
      (dear candy wrapper) -not that you would be wrong (about any evil spirits), that's just how to translate it, again "Sailors in jackets"? Civil war (in a nuclear power who is))) I am one of those "where the peasant should go"
      1. acute
        acute 6 December 2013 18: 08
        0
        lost in 91. Now everything is much more complicated. because then they also believed that if you only want to, you’ll live in Europe. Ukraine also wants, well, let it want
      2. imrek_ua
        imrek_ua 7 December 2013 15: 50
        0
        Ehhh ... Old Man Makhno is dumb ... :)
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    2. Corporal
      Corporal 6 December 2013 09: 46
      +4
      All yours are already on the Maidan, go there. There are a lot of impatient people who are also not on friendly terms with their heads and strive to "break the back of the thieves' scum."
      1. washi
        washi 6 December 2013 15: 35
        +2
        Odessa activist Euromaidan beat her boyfriend because of ideological differences
        Quote:
        "Euromaidan student activist, a resident of Odessa, severely beat her boyfriend.

        This story was posted on Facebook by Leonid Barats.

        According to the victim, he was worried about the girl’s secret departure to Kiev, despite the ban of her parents. When she returned, and not in the best of moods, the guy decided to talk to her seriously.

        After the young man’s phrase that something bad could happen to the girl in the capital, and her presence there will not change anything, she rushed at him and began to strike and hit him on the table with his head.

        The victim stated that he did not intend to remove the beatings and contact the police.

        “This is a everyday situation, and I will settle it myself, as an adult,” the victim writes on his VK page.

        At the same time, the “hero” really wants to stay incognito. The only thing known about the guy is that he is studying at the “Food” Academy.
        .http: //timer.od.ua/news/odessitka_ak...lasiy_932.html
        The heroine of the note was favorably influenced by the peaceful atmosphere on the Maidan. "
    3. escobar
      escobar 6 December 2013 11: 42
      +7
      Well, then the Communist Party will return to power. Delusional and unrealizable Wishlist. The people on the Maidan went not so much for Euro-signing as against the lawlessness of the gangster dictatorship that the current government is now demonstrating. Another thing is that appazitsia is also corrupt and is trying to quietly lead and direct the anger and indignation of the people. Klitschko is stupid like a felt boot, with broken brains but he’s climbing in the same place, Yatsenyuk is a liar and a rector, he laid down on the people and his opinion, Tyagnibok is the head of the radical, fascist party, the thief Julia on the bunk, and that's who to choose ...
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 6 December 2013 08: 07
    10
    Campaign, many in Ukraine are like little children, who are useless to explain that it is dangerous to stick your fingers in the socket. Until they shandarahnet, do not understand
    1. acute
      acute 6 December 2013 18: 13
      0
      Let them decide for themselves and be responsible for the consequences. the one who gives advice is always to blame
    2. alone
      alone 6 December 2013 23: 59
      +1
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      Campaign, many in Ukraine are like little children, who are useless to explain that it is dangerous to stick your fingers in the socket. Until they shandarahnet, do not understand


      Do you think Ukraine or Ukrainians need someone's advice and instructions?
      Ukraine itself may well decide what to do in the current situation.

      P.S. the problem with the EU played a catalytic role. The authorities and their henchmen had already gotten people so much with their actions that the patience of the people burst and started to go. The thieves are there alone, because no one wants to defend the power of Ukraine.
  • dobrik10
    dobrik10 6 December 2013 08: 21
    0
    Of course, politics is not an interference with which Russia is guided in relation to
    the mess going on in Ukraine does not bring such results as the policy of "soft power" of Geyropa.
    But a pug for that and a pug to yap at an elephant.
    The main thing is not to stay the bear in its den, otherwise it will come out in the spring and spring is a completely different color.
    Either orange or rainbow colors.
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 6 December 2013 08: 24
    18
    I raised this topic in the article "enough to fight against Ukraine and its people." At that time they booed and grinned at me, they say they were to blame, "you will answer us for Sevastopol," etc. No matter how it turns out, as in a letter from that pastor's concentration camp. First they took the Jews, we were silent, then the communists, we were silent, and when they took us, there was no one to speak to.
    At first they took Lviv, we were all silent, now they are occupying Kiev, we are not doing anything, then they will take up Sevastopol, then everywhere. there is so much pain in the article, but you Russians don’t understand it from Russia, if you could take your passports away and leave them in Lviv or Tashkent for a week, so that it would be more clear that our country doesn’t do a damn thing to support compatriots. Okay, I’m already on a Russian passport, but how much time, money and nerves I spent so that in my homeland, in my grandfather’s house, I could live legally, like everyone else. I saw Russian Russophobes in Ukraine who hated Moscow fiercely - this is the result of high-quality and expensive propaganda, but we don’t have money for counter-propaganda, everyone left for Sochi and the summits.
    1. Dyukha Siberian
      Dyukha Siberian 6 December 2013 08: 35
      +1
      So at the expense of Sochi and the summits, that's for sure! everything is there!
    2. complete zero
      complete zero 6 December 2013 11: 18
      +5
      the trouble is that there are plenty of "Moscow haters" (sometimes for the cause, but often stupidly) in Mother Russia too, God forbid we ourselves do not fall apart (in this I support Putin), and then think about Ukraine and so on ...
    3. acute
      acute 6 December 2013 18: 17
      +1
      I do not understand what you want ?. Ukraine is an independent state and must solve its own problems. This is not a small child to drive by the handle. Let's help Honduras again
  • Dyukha Siberian
    Dyukha Siberian 6 December 2013 08: 31
    +2
    no, brothers Ukrainians, then you yourself have to figure out where to go, so that later there are no extreme ones! otherwise Russia will be to blame again! And the fact that the pro-Russian parties are silent, maybe they pressed them, or maybe they decided to try to live with Europe, they won’t like it, then again the revolution will come to Russia too, and it will accept! Russia knows how to regret!
  • Omskgasmyas
    Omskgasmyas 6 December 2013 08: 32
    +1
    He’s a healthy man, not old yet - 36 of everything, his fists on his hands didn’t dry out, he doesn’t know what to do with the invaders. He asks us for advice on what to do with the flock of wild humanoid dogs that captured Kiev.
    Even if I tell him where and what to pick up and what to do with it later, anyway, he will stay at home on a cozy TV couch.
    This part of the Russian people was torn from Russia and called some kind of borderlands, non-Russia. And they lost the will to resist, and then the ability to survive.

    YOU ARE YOURSELF A DOCTOR, not Yanuzep or a gang of hohlozhdydy from Zapadenshchina, may normal Jews forgive me. ACT!
  • svskor80
    svskor80 6 December 2013 08: 46
    +5
    And Yanukovych has thrown off his responsibility - It’s all Moscow’s fault, Putin .. And if there are more supporters of the joint economy with Russia and Belarus, then it is necessary to organize in the end, otherwise a handful of Bandera dictates their will to everyone.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 6 December 2013 09: 12
      +5
      From the pro-Westerners there are already three gorlopans, and not a single from the easterners. Despite the fact that Polish, Lithuanian, Magyar, European and State Vitii constantly hang around. Yes, Yanukovych’s two-faced policy. Razderenyat NENU. But Tarasikov is sorry. crying
    2. IOwTZ
      IOwTZ 6 December 2013 13: 21
      0
      Nothing like this. Putin clearly said - "that we will respect any choice of the greasy people" and outlined the prospects for them from cooperation with the gossip and with Russia. The choice is only theirs. If they want to be forced or not forced into the vehicle, then this is only their choice, and no one forcibly forces them and does not feel sorry for them. So much slop was poured on Russia for their pseudo-independence.
  • Ustas
    Ustas 6 December 2013 08: 55
    0
    I don’t know today how I personally can fight this idiocy unfolding before my eyes in the center of my hometown

    The salvation of drowning, in the hands of the drowning.
    Well, if seriously, you need to unite with like-minded people like you, and get involved in a fight with zapadentsev. In unity is power. And believe me, Russia will not leave you in trouble. (Not a liberal Russian government, but a Russian people)
  • buywol
    buywol 6 December 2013 08: 55
    +4
    Yes, the authorities in Ukraine are referring. Well, what a normal president will leave the country and go to China. The cat left the kittens let e ---- I as they want. The Russian people are left to their own devices. The Maidan people receive financial support, people who come out against anti-moidan or anything. The ruling elite is sitting on the suitcases. The Communist Party and other Russian blocs are waving their hands wherever they are concerned, as soon as they need to do something, they go underground like mice. The golden eagle who supported the authorities, after the uncertainty of the authorities and the initiation of criminal cases, will put both on the government and the opposition. There is no cohesion among the people and this is the collapse of the Southeast and East.
  • Hort
    Hort 6 December 2013 08: 58
    +3
    There is a “Russian Bloc”, there is a “People’s Cathedral of Ukraine”, there is a “Russian Unity”, there is someone else, but they are not visible at all! Of course, you can say, they say, and answer yourself - why they are not visible! I understand that our own passivity is partly to blame. But why don't they help us here? We were actually in occupation here!
    Well, you have to ask them, where were they at all, when the "Euro-Ukrainians" began to fight in the Maidan? If there were any intelligible actions on their part, perhaps there would be a corresponding reaction from the Russian leadership. And so, if we intermeddle on our own initiative, we are extreme and will remain - the Ukrainians themselves will be accused of imperial manners (for example, those 50% who advocate "non-staleness").
  • Dyukha Siberian
    Dyukha Siberian 6 December 2013 08: 59
    22
    mabuta SU Today, 07:40 AM

    From one of the sites of Ukraine. Author unknown.

    We will come back to you, Motherland!
    We will be back one day, Russia,
    Under your age-old wings
    From my freedom weakened
    That cleansed us naked.
    From delusional desires
    Under the whoopsy western howl
    We will come and rest on our knees
    Uncovered with his head.
    Winning the battles of epoch,
    About the humiliated brothers of sorrow,
    You felt sorry for both near and far,
    Never sparing myself.
    You carry this burden to the people
    Like a crown of thorns
    Putting for someone else's freedom
    Millions of their sons.
    How much were these victories
    Blood, sweat, courage, labor,
    If from the West - Germans and Swedes,
    Golden - from the east - Horde!
    If we were a wordless servant
    With a hardened crust in a handful
    If you don’t put on chain mail
    And did not get in their way.
    Having suffered from "beautiful life"
    By its naive simplicity,
    We will be back one day, Russia.
    This happens in adult children.
    In a sign of remorse and purification,
    Recognizing perversity and fornication,
    We openly ask for forgiveness
    For their possessed Judas.
    People’s servants played
    Alone sharing pies!
    How old are our children and grandchildren
    They will give out our debts!
    We will point our democrats
    Long way to debt prison.
    It’s better to be a "little brother" in Russia,
    Than a serf in a strange tower.
    We’ll cover the tables with delicious food,
    Pour gold goblets of wine
    We’ll arrange for the wake
    We will sing our best songs.
    We were cut off and not asked
    Is it necessary to protect us from you?
    And when we get back, Russia,
    You forgive. You know how to forgive.

    that's what I wanted to say! This is a verse from the next article, but here it is more than appropriate!
  • Hort
    Hort 6 December 2013 08: 59
    +6
    city ​​guides
    hah how interesting it was sealed up laughing
  • saag
    saag 6 December 2013 09: 00
    -3
    Sochi, therefore, no gestures to ruin this investment will not be money, and in 2018 also the World Cup, there will most likely be the role of a passive observer
  • Criowoolf
    Criowoolf 6 December 2013 09: 11
    +6
    The situation in Ukraine somehow reminded Syria. Of course it’s stupid and childish to blame Ukraine for its own stupidity and other base things, but any sane person understands and knows that Ukrainians and Russians have common roots, even if it is against someone.
    First of all, you need to think about why this happened? I think not at the request of the entire population. The people and the country as a whole, only its leaders, are never to blame for the conflicts that arise.
    And everything happened as a result of illiterate government of the country. Betrayal of the interests of one’s own country, lack of national propaganda and allowing the introduction of other people's ideas. And here already new generations will think exactly as foreigners say. It is like a deadly virus, ignoring which will have a fatal effect on the whole country. It does not matter what the leader will be, because the worldview of people has been changed. As a result, concern for the eradication of this virus falls already on the shoulders of the country's population.

    ps Why did the author decide that Russia is inactive? As you can see, there is now a political struggle. Or do you want to "send troops" or other nonsense that once wrote about Syria, Internet warriors. Now it is your task to preserve your sovereignty. There is help, but not in public.
    1. acute
      acute 6 December 2013 18: 33
      0
      Do you understand what the trouble is. Our nouveau riche also has no idea or desire to raise the country from ruins. But Ukraine was lured to Europe, but we are not. If Russia had been beckoned, and even money had been thrown as in Ukraine, then this would have begun, it would have seemed little. The authorities forgot that in Russia (Ukraine) there are people who want to live and work normally. Our rulers forgot about this a long time ago. This will destroy them.
  • umah
    umah 6 December 2013 09: 14
    +3
    In the 2000s, when Ukraine had a discount on gas and Russia offered rapprochement, what were the actions of Ukraine? Even if the Ukrainians themselves were in favor, then the leadership showed a dummy and said "we are an independent multi-vector state, there is nothing to pull us towards." Ok, they stopped pulling, but they took away the nishtyaks. Now, even if the people of Russia are for helping the Ukrainians, our leadership, remembering the blowing and spitting, says "you are an independent state, so do it yourself. If you want, go to the EU, if you want - to the Customs Union, but decide for yourself."
  • tomket
    tomket 6 December 2013 09: 25
    +4
    What impresses me most is Klitschko, what kind of cattle turned out to be. You see the golden eagle he wants to disperse. The question arises, how do poor Ukrainians get Euro stickers on numbers, Euro flags of impressive sizes, it seems that there is pretty much a big PR agency plowing them day and night, and for free. The question is to a citizen of Ukraine, but why do the majority of the population constantly impose their will on a handful of scum who love various European elections? What barricades were organized in 91 (I suspect that most of the participants in those events themselves would now have called for crushing all this Moscow partying by tanks, and several times for reliability), that on the Maidan several times. Enter tanks and crush, crush, crush - barricades, Believe me, it will only become better.
    1. Turkestan
      Turkestan 6 December 2013 12: 47
      +2
      Is Ukraine the only republic where the elite played in democracy. Take Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan,, Georgia, Moldova. For more than 20 years, states have not had simple stability. All that can be ruined. They killed a bunch of people. Maybe while our brains do not work, we need Dictatorship in states
    2. acute
      acute 6 December 2013 18: 38
      0
      Yes, nobody imposed anything on them
      whining. It’s just that they are frustrated by living in poverty, deceived by their own government. The same thing happens with us. it’s just that someone’s intentionally directs this anger to where it’s profitable
    3. Rubs
      Rubs 11 December 2013 22: 27
      0
      from where the poor Ukrainians gather Euro

      Thrown in excessively dough on the flags and on the creative.
      For me, for example, to burn the EU flag in the square will cost two or three hundred hryvnias. A stuffed westwestella - probably five hundred. A little expensive.
      And when and with whom to do it? To get into the frame. Or burn flags half a day? = 5000 UAH.
      And not the fact that they will show.
      Burned in Sevastopol - 10 seconds on the news. Forum of Deputies and Industrialists of the East! in Lugansk - 10 seconds for 1 + 1. By the way, compare the "exhaust" of the two events. I think if you inflate the EU balloon and shoot with air defense missiles, then you can get into CNN.
      When the TV in the hands of the enemy needs a scale and creativity that cannot be silenced. We need money and will, but in fact - the go-ahead. And there will be a fountain: airships, installations, laser shows and tricks with enemy sewers.
      In the meantime, industrialists put their cry in the diapers of multi-vectorism and friendship with everyone, they don’t give money, they don’t call anyone.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 6 December 2013 09: 38
    +2
    What is the answer to this "Yaroslavna's cry"? All unsuccessful rulers use the same set of actions to justify their inability to change anything for the better.
    The first is to make surprised eyes when everything falls apart from their efforts. Then they, as the king from the tale of Cinderella, reproachfully ask their nukers: Why didn’t they report to me that my son had grown up and wanted to get married? And he hints that if they continue to work poorly and do not improve, then he will be offended and will leave the kingdom. That one to one demonstrated Yanukovych.
    The second unbroken device - external enemies are to blame, who seek to prevent the realization of his brilliant ideas. This is already from the area of ​​bad dancers, which always interferes with something.
    All these guys, although poorly educated, did not read philosophical works, but they intuitively know the truth that Schopenhauer formulated: It is not possible for most people to think for themselves, but to believe in them, and not in power.
    Therefore, my young Ukrainian friend, these brilliant lines by Eugene Potier were born: “No one will give us deliverance, neither God, nor the king and not the hero ...” and further, in the text.
  • hecn61
    hecn61 6 December 2013 09: 39
    +4
    Zapadentsy! Yes, they do not care for their people! And how will they continue to live, what will become of the bulb to industry and agriculture! And the reward for them is corresponding!
  • Gur
    Gur 6 December 2013 09: 40
    +5
    All this orgy, the old tried-and-true scenario, tested in recent years, Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc., etc., when the minority, with the connivance of the majority, begins to pump up the rights, the rights that have been leaked to them from the West and the United States. And when blood flows, the majority will rush to scream at the whole world. So it is in Ukraine, wait. This is your country in the first place, and first of all you need to stand up for it, you need to fight for us to be in the place, and not just dream about it or talk about it. Russia, too, is not fit to sit and look at all this, if we have a desire for reunification, if we have a desire not to screw up again, (here anyone, brothers, a fraternal country and all other epithets), then we should also not sit idly It seems that we want Ukraine to realize all the charm of the European Union, so that everything that still breathes in Ukraine has come to a complete decline, and then when the people, having drunk shit, who will remain alive, will crawl to the brotherly people will ask forgiveness a far-sighted act and will beg for reunification, and here we are on a white horse (chiding them for the words - "yes, we will live even better without Russia), as saviors of Ukraine, we will graciously accept them already as part of Russia. Only when the West sweeps Ukraine for themselves, to us there will no longer be anyone to go, who the hell will give us something so easy.
  • Keeper
    Keeper 6 December 2013 09: 41
    -2
    It's sad! What is there to do?! To arrange "Kuz'ka's mother" so that no one wants to contradict Russia ?!
    Bring in a fucking bunch of troops, put tanks on the central square, machine gunners with dogs and play all this under the military actions of the "invading Russian" army ?! and PO'Hren, that Russia will be sworn, if only to reunite Russia-Mother ?!

    It seems to me that this is too wild, but, damn it, a real option that could be put into practice!
    On the one hand, we would show the whole world that we can spread lyuley to any country!
    On the other hand, they would regain the territories that really are the cradle of the Russian Land!
    On the third hand - I am certainly not an Islamist with his "Sharia", but for ORDER! Don't give a damn to us with your crap! Our Russian spirituality is much deeper and higher than their bombast!

    Well, people have not grown up to DEMOCRACY either there or here! Well, okay! Somehow we live - do not kill each other ...
  • IGS
    IGS 6 December 2013 09: 42
    17
    We lost the information war in Ukraine for the minds of the younger generation, we lost even on the part of the church. Look at these priests on the Maidan. An entertaining sight, if anyone can, explain, their actions do not contradict the canons of the church? Something scares me the picture, excuse me if I hurt someone's feelings, Jesus Christ, meeting with the apostles near the residence of Pontius Pilate, and demanding his resignation, and the dissolution of the Gerusia, led by the high priest ... and all this with shouts of "Get the gang! ".
    Russia cannot intervene, if it intervenes, it doesn’t do better, there will be a war, either civilian or domestic, no people will like foreign troops on its territory. Fratricidal war anyway.
    Alas, we are losing on the information front, and most likely we will lose in the near future, there is little experience and opportunities, we are at home ... by the way, I always laughed at the assertion that the Russians were brainwashed. Well, think so ... only there is one fact .. we spit ourselves from our Olympics, only on the first channel we don’t water it, and so on the rest, but the Olympics is a very good brainwashing tool, remember the Olympics in the 80th, or, excuse me for mentioning in one row, the first in the last century.
    Many, many and varied people give advice to the author of the article, but the meaning of all is the same: "By yourself!" And I will answer in a different way: "Hold on." With a cobblestone or with a machine gun, you will do little, if you fill someone up, they will make heroes of them, you better write, as now, more often, believe me, here it is very important for us to know, understand, and once again (far from superfluous) make sure that it is far from all Ukrainians hate us (for example, to me, as a person, to put it mildly, who is critical of Ukrainians winked ).
    And the loss of Ukraine will be a heavy blow for Russia, for all its citizens, and believe me, not because of the economy, our people still consider Ukrainians as brothers, and this is true, therefore, “just” as in the 90s, you will not be surrendered. And how Russia will act ... we'll see, but, I hope, also outside the box. The adversary's weakness is in the belief that a well-worked and well-paid plan will work as usual. Too much money is thrown in, too big a colossus is untwisted, and the colossus becomes clumsy, and still very predictable ... this is what Russia is playing on. The monster has dispersed, it seems now it will crush ... and then as in Syria and as with the signing. Strange as it may seem, with all my skepticism, I believe in my country, well, in you ... where can I do without you, damn it, who to bark with then laughing .
    1. rassom
      rassom 6 December 2013 09: 53
      +2
      well written!
      1. IGS
        IGS 6 December 2013 10: 19
        +2
        Thank you) At first I had seen enough dirt from the Maidan, we were being poured there, I was furious, cursed them all as best I could, then when the priests of the Greek Catholics saw and heard what they were broadcasting, that scene appeared in my head that I described and just laughed , and then sensibly began to think, they went too far with a negative for Russia.
    2. complete zero
      complete zero 6 December 2013 11: 23
      +1
      Perhaps plus ... although about the Orthodox Church in vain you are so ...
      1. IGS
        IGS 6 December 2013 14: 35
        +1
        I didn’t write, but I saw there, not Orthodox Priests, but I don’t know what their priests are called, priests, probably. But anyway, I apologize if someone hurt. It would be painful for me to see Orthodox Priests there.
        1. Anper
          Anper 6 December 2013 17: 00
          +1
          I’ll ask you not to forget that there is also the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kiev Patriarchate.
          1. Nataly
            Nataly 9 December 2013 19: 01
            +1
            The Orthodox Church of the Kiev Patriarchate is not canonical, representatives of this denomination are not allowed to serve together with other Orthodox churches anywhere in the world, including in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. So we can assume that it is not.
    3. Cristall
      Cristall 6 December 2013 13: 04
      +3
      thanks for the words
      That's what I think, maybe General Frost will do something with frostbitten.
      Although there is warming again. Oh, this Western transference smile
      or maybe everything is right - to run wild in the capital. Trinity 2 times sat out in Moscow, so we will not sit out Kiev or what? So at least we will finish with this "Maidan" once and for all. And then it will become a habit.
    4. smoliackow
      smoliackow 6 December 2013 13: 28
      +5
      It is strange to write about the speaking priests on the Maidan, as if you do not know what kind of priests? It’s as if you don’t know what kind of schism there is, but the Uniates, schismatics of the Philaretians, are speaking there, and there are no Russian Orthodox Priests there, and nothing to do with true faith, Satan rules the ball there.
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        1. Makarov
          Makarov 6 December 2013 20: 44
          +1
          Touche bro!)))
          1. vanaheym
            vanaheym 7 December 2013 03: 32
            +1
            Do you think they’ll finish off to -20 or will there be laziness?
    5. vitamin ky
      vitamin ky 6 December 2013 21: 06
      +2
      catch + - everything is intelligently and correctly stated - one of the few useful recommendations - for such a post and thank you not a sin to say - good luck to you friend in everything !!!! good
  • Isk1984
    Isk1984 6 December 2013 09: 55
    +6
    I’ve got carried away by the guys after the events on the Maidan, what really happens in people's heads, so I probably watched three days of Ukrainian TV broadcasting over the past five years, to be honest I didn’t expect this, they don’t just like us to despise us, curse us I’m not talking about everyone, for example, there are Vadim Kolesnicheko, Elena Bondarenko, Inna Bogoslovskaya, they’re still trying to somehow establish relations with Russia and somehow whitewash us, and even the same Bogolsovskaya and Bondarenko, they still recall the goddamn Soviet empire glodomor, Kolichnechko by Alui, who was really a wise, talented politician, but he is a warrior alone in the field, fascists from parties strike, freedom, fatherland, they just anger us, I was so shocked to watch all this, I was shocked, but you know who is to them comes from us, okay, Alexander Prokhanov is well done there, he told the truth, though they laughed idioticly like that the guest doesn’t even know the mobs, Zatulin poured pepper on their tail, but on the whole it represents all kinds of nonsense, there are Germans, Belov, still some kind of unfinished contra, I just don’t Imagine how the veterans live in this fascist environment ...
  • Isk1984
    Isk1984 6 December 2013 09: 58
    +3
    They have Tgnibok and Farion there, when we will return the first back to Urainu to the bitch, I watched the veterans in Lvov humble themselves to go with ribbons to the fire, my God clenched my fists, I thought how could it be, Our humane Joseph Vassarionovich is better than you the accused didn’t walk with fire and sword in Lviv region how much contagion remained there, although okay, the Lvovites also interestingly paid attention to how our Russia is respected in Transcarpathia, but the Galicians are just class enemies as revolution said, and in Kiev I prevail among young people we’re squealing like we’re roaming, we want to go to Europe, the damned colonial USSR took away our dream .... How did we miss such things in Ukraine as? Okay, we are laughing at Gozmans and Navodvorskaya, but the Taam is already a millionth Russian in spirit, but who hate everything Russian, the prediction of Dostoevsky and Bismarck came true ....
    I basically wrote these posts yesterday in an article about Transcarpathia, but in this letter of despair they will also be appropriate ...
    Eh, we would have to finish off our Kremlin thieves ... and save Ukraine, Belarus doesn’t need them just to save us ..
    1. Anper
      Anper 6 December 2013 17: 17
      +1
      Farion Lyudin's ailment, you will not be able to break up, more "eagles in front of the guards do not help." But Tyagnibok is possible - at least for the Golden Cross from the veterans of the SS "Galicia" division.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 6 December 2013 09: 59
    +2
    Well, the passivity of Russia is explained. The elementary capitalists of Russia are too dependent on their older "class brothers" in Europe and the United States to seriously fight them for influence in any country.
    But the complete loss of Ukraine with the severance of economic ties and the prospect of receiving a huge number of refugees and NATO military bases near Kharkov is also not very joyful from the point of view of Russian capitalism.
    So you need to stop being afraid and heading for the formation of truly pro-Russian political forces in the South and East of Ukraine with the subsequent federalization of the state. Fighting for Western Ukraine is both late and unnecessary, but what else can be saved must be tried to be saved.
  • alex-kon
    alex-kon 6 December 2013 10: 00
    +2
    Yes, everything is very sad. The European Union is now pouring huge dibs into agitation, while ours are sitting and watching how it ends. Europe has recently completely lost fear with its missile defense. It's time to play the muscles along their borders. There Japan immediately began to sing when nearby TU-95 flew by.
    winked
  • alexdol
    alexdol 6 December 2013 10: 05
    26
    Not too lazy looked through all the comments. Unfortunately, only a few reasonable and found! They mostly blame the people in Ukraine for saying that they themselves are to blame ?! Yes, we are all GUILTY, first of all, in the fact that we allowed the destruction of the USSR country in which most of us grew up / I am 61 years old /!
    Question: what could we have done then? This is for those smart guys who are now calling on those living in Ukraine to restore order themselves! Look yourself at what is happening in RUSSIA! How many are destroyed, simply destroyed, ENTERPRISES, what harm has caused and continues to cause the country, the same "bear" with his surroundings, let's remember "Serdyukov" and the group here can be continued to INFINITY! The whole of Russia is outraged, but what have you guys done or can you do other than REGULATE? NOTHING! Here Khabarov, Kvachkov - upekli, and with the same "Serdyukov" are fussing, Colonel Budanov was convicted and in the end KILLED and again nothing happened! The conclusion here is simple enough to accuse us living in Ukraine of inaction, you yourself cannot do anything, just WATCH LANGUAGES! And here everything is clear - there is no funding, there is no political force that would organize everything, here is the ANSWER to everything! The people themselves are unable to do anything without a LEADERSHIP IS IT REALLY SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
    And I will add more. You shouldn't be so FAREWELLED, are you afraid that all the "dogs" will be hanged on you? Ukraine is the same RUSSIA, and for it all normal people should FIGHT and DO NOT care about the opinion of this WEST!
    1. Isk1984
      Isk1984 6 December 2013 10: 17
      +2
      Yes, it is true here in Russia, it was not a sweet message for 20 years starting with a hunchback, everything was ruined, but for some reason, we, besides the ideological obscurantism of the democrats, could make out people’s lies, and the USSR was an alloy of technology and reason, and we have Navodvorskaya , GOzman, Chubais, have become cursed and hated, and Stalin’s popularity is growing among our youth, and in the brotherly Ukraine all the troubles have been blamed on the colonial past, so have dusted the head of the younger generation like that. that they are ready, I’m a Nazi face, I’m driving, I understand that there are normal people in Ukraine, let’s say, Soviet people. but their voices are not heard, and those that break through this ambulance are no longer a call for help, but simply an unguarded guard !!!!
    2. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 6 December 2013 11: 20
      +8
      Yes, I agree, the collapse of the USSR is a tragedy for our generation. Yes, we have our own problems in Russia. But we had more of them and we are trying to solve them as we can and consider it necessary. In addition, we survived 2 Chechen companies and Georgia on 08.08.08/08.08.08/XNUMX, but for some reason we did not hear support from you at least in words. I do not touch on the issue of supplies you weapons and ukrainets.instruktorah in Georgia XNUMX. Clutching teeth and listening to the howl of the West and other jackals, we did what we thought was right, and you watched it from the side with a mute question, will not stand - will not stand. You do not want to go to Europe, but for some reason write about this on the Russian forum. The resident of Kiev, who wrote this letter, cannot say to the Lvov Bandera soldier who stopped him in KIEV "GET !!!", well then he is a sheep. You expect that Russia will drive out Bandera from Kiev?
    3. RBLip
      RBLip 6 December 2013 11: 39
      +2
      Quote: alexdol
      Question: what could we do then? This is for those clever people who are now urging those living in Ukraine to restore order by themselves! Yes, you yourself take a look what is happening in RUSSIA!

      there somewhere slipped about age. Well, I'm 35 and I'm one of those smart guys who think that the salvation of the drowning is the business of the drowning. and I can see very well what is happening in my country. BUT. I'm not going to write about the occupation of Moscow by Gaster and Kaukazoids of tearful letters in the spirit of "the boss is all gone." I just don’t buy Baltic goods, I don’t hire Asians for any work, I’m not going to go for a dumping salary. maybe I'm just trying to respect myself? and as for Ukraine ... for 22 years you built your paradise without maskals. built? is your people not to blame? Who then chose your leadership? landing from poland in the elections landed? ventilate your brains from the Square, then crawl for help. already got enough of this h.cohlo-whining. and we do not need to instill a guilt complex for the destroyed USSR. wanted freedom? eat in full measure! am
      1. alexdol
        alexdol 6 December 2013 21: 05
        +4
        RBLip RU "I am 35 and I am one of those smart guys who think that saving drowning people is the business of drowning people themselves"

        Well, I'll try to answer you. To begin with, regarding the boycott of the Balts. You know, and I have been doing this for a long time and I urge everyone to do the same! It may seem strange to you, but besides, I am calling on "Ukraine" too! But I'm afraid nothing here depends on us! The power is everywhere of the same type: bandit-thieves! I have said and will repeat again: the people cannot do anything on their own! Especially when there is no leadership, leader! You will not achieve anything with elections, remember how it was there in Russia: vote or you will lose! Who benefited from this? Drunkard Yeltsin! I can tell you too - you chose it! But I will not say, because I understand: they CHOOSE themselves! If you sit down to play with a sharper, then the result is predictable, you will be ripped off like a stick! These elections are SHOOLING PLAYERS! You will never win in them. So what should you do? Boris Mironov, the former Russian press minister, answers this question in his book "The Jewish Yoke": only the ARMY can change something!
        It is customary to say that the army is out of politics and does not interfere in anything! But in 1993 it was the army that brought Yeltsin to the sole power! By the way, in the same year, people even traveled from Kharkov to defend the Supreme Soviet of the USSR! But you can't trample against the army with bare hands, but it just betrayed its people! Of course, not the entire army, namely the part that carried out the coup! Yes, and everyone got "independence" from this holy trinity: the drunkards Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk! All this power from the very beginning was not legitimate, everything here is based on lies! The results of the same referendum said that people want to be in the same country, but they did everything the opposite! Well, what can we do today, even knowing all this? We are divided and pitted against each other! You know, I struggle with these authorities with my poems as best I can. I have these lines:
        Yes, anyone is mistaken who only knows the power of the fist! After all, there is another, invisible battle, where only the word wins! It is one hundred times stronger than any physical effort. Every enemy is afraid of him, although there is no violence in him! Eternal life is given to him, a man comes - leaves, but a thought flies from a pen to another heart finds a way!
        So it’s better for us not to make a complaint but to look for the ways of ASSOCIATION!
        1. alexdol
          alexdol 6 December 2013 21: 27
          0
          The first answer was much larger and it was not "accepted", everything disappeared. The second one turned out to be somewhat crumpled. I will give you a small addition. To understand many things happening today, it will be useful to read the following document: The Catechism of the Jew in the USSR. Here is a link to it:
          http://www.pseudology.org/Documets/Katexizis_evreya_CCCP.htm
          Here I will simply give a small excerpt from it:

          Exceptionally, goyim of non-Slavic origin, the Armenians and Georgians who hate each other, who will devour each other, or other Asians other than Tajiks, can be allowed to work as an exception. Russian in the broadest sense of the word can not be allowed! It will always be a reproach to us. And do not be afraid to be known as nationalists, because we, as a nation, are not recognized in the USSR. What nationalism can be here? Nationalism, this mortal sin of all the Slavs, with the exception of the Poles, tirelessly blame the Ukrainians, who are a significant force in the USSR, and stigmatize the Russians proper with great-power chauvinism.
          The illusion of the sweet heart of the Slavs of internationalism will be ensured by the presence of persons of mixed nationality, mixed with Jewish blood, or at worst, the blood of national minorities. If you have a vacancy, take only a Jew. If you can’t do this, liquidate the position. If you can’t do both, take an Asian. If this is not the case, take a Pole, a Belarusian or, in extreme cases, a Ukrainian, after setting him up against the Russians. However, all efforts should be directed towards the search for the Pole, the original enemy of the other three nations. A Belarusian or a Ukrainian will quarrel with a Russian, then they will drink the “world one” and remember that they are brothers, a Pole - never.
    4. WWSW
      WWSW 6 December 2013 12: 10
      0
      What are you, grandfather, from a sore head yes to a healthy pass all? Our Russia, the Russian Federation, somehow will solve its problems, right or wrong. But you can still scold America or penguins in Antarctica, because they also interfere with life.
      1. vanaheym
        vanaheym 6 December 2013 16: 40
        0
        Quote: WWER
        Our Russia, the Russian Federation, somehow will solve its problems

        Well, solve your problems. Develop national identity, fight crime and corruption, develop Skolkovo, plant Serdyukov, clean Moscow from hachets and so on.
        A lot of their problems, but they will wait - without a discussion of Ukraine, not a day happens.
  • Makarov
    Makarov 6 December 2013 10: 16
    +7
    not a guy ... I was in that square - there is no mess there, there are barricades, there is a "yolka" (in its own way, I have not seen a joke about Putin), but there is no mess, the atmosphere is like all brothers to each other - the EU and ) Not one step back. On Grom TV I watched as a journalist approached one "Bendera" and asked how he related to Yatsenyuk's fiery speech, in response - "Oh, well, it’s on (unprintable word), I didn’t listen to him" ... they sing the anthem - they look like zombies. ..but somehow it hurts at the same time on emotions or something ... I understood one thing. people zae (unprintable continuation of the word) muzzles in all institutions, cops and prosecutors 'muzzles, judges' muzzles and in housing and communal services, muzzles of all civil servants and muzzles on TV, where nasty muzzles work ... so rarely came across among these muzzles, and now stopped altogether ... and then I agree with them ... how can they myself (the same unprintable word) ... recently went to the editorial office of a local newspaper ... how I wanted to start all of them there, if not shoot then just beat from the bottom of my heart ... I gritted my teeth and went home ... in Ukraine really only doctors (and then those who are over 40-45) are not muzzles, but pros, all the others who have at least a drop of influence polls are scoundrels ...
    1. washi
      washi 6 December 2013 15: 37
      +1
      “Bandera carried out ethnic cleansing on the territory of Volyn in 1943-1944, this is a form of genocide. And therefore, our joint task with Poland is to hold them accountable, since in Ukraine there is now a situation when attempts are made not just to rehabilitate people up to the throat in the blood of innocent civilians, but they are striving to present them as heroes. And today there is no conflict between Poland and Ukraine, it is necessary to condemn specific criminals (from the OUN-UPA), not the country, and turn this tragic page of the Second World War, ”said Kolesnichenko.
  • Isk1984
    Isk1984 6 December 2013 10: 20
    +3
    In general, Kravchuk, Gorbach, Yeltsin are on their conscience to make decisions that killed entire generations in blood, in anticipation of a "glorious" market future ...
    1. IOwTZ
      IOwTZ 6 December 2013 13: 37
      0
      do not forget Shushkevich
  • Begemot
    Begemot 6 December 2013 10: 20
    +3
    I did not put either "+" or "-", although I sympathize with the author. But note that even such a "pro-Russian" citizen of Ukraine thinks on the basis of the postulate that Ukraine is a separate state, that there are pro-Russian forces that are passive, there are Westerners who occupy Kiev. Western Ukraine, like Poland, is the Catholic backyard of Europe, a "Catholic garbage dump," as the Europeans themselves call them. These territories have been the front line between Orthodoxy and the Papacy for centuries. There has never been a quiet life, a neighbor slaughtered a neighbor, a Pole slaughtered a Galician, a Gagauz slaughtered a Pole, Cossacks slaughtered Poles and vice versa, and so on in a circle for hundreds of years. There was only one more or less calm period - the times of the USSR. The site contained an article by a Ukrainian author who very accurately defined: Ukraine as an independent state can exist separately from Russia only in a conflict with it. As soon as the conflict fades away, there is no sense in being a separate state. Therefore, our enemies will make every effort to prolong the conflictual attitude of Ukraine towards Russia. And with the Maidan, you just need to fight, I already suggested: bring beer or hamburgers with purgen, and give more and distribute for free. Let adore (s) rut.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 6 December 2013 10: 40
    0
    Take to the streets or, as an option, dig out PPSh in the garden and go into the woods partisan.
  • Omskgasmyas
    Omskgasmyas 6 December 2013 10: 42
    +5
    To remove the passions:
    If you type the EU in the Latin keyboard layout, you get a vehicle. lol And if you type EU in the Russian layout, you get UG tongue Who would argue that this is not God's business?
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 6 December 2013 11: 16
    +4
    All this is wonderful.
    BUT!
    WHERE ARE YOU, THE MAIN PART OF RESIDENTS AND WORKERS OF MALOROSSIA, NURSING PASSIONARY AND RUSSOFOB Ukr_ov-parasites ?! WHERE ARE YOU "I, as they say," pro-Russian oriented "citizen of Ukraine" ?! Why is all the zapadenskaya scum that you feed, outraged in Kiev? BECAUSE YOU DO NOT OPPOSE THIS. Or do you dream secretly, and suddenly you're lucky and everything will happen, how ukr_y lie?
    1. sapran
      sapran 6 December 2013 14: 06
      0
      You yourself answered your question ...
      1. Walking
        Walking 6 December 2013 19: 54
        +2
        Quote: Peaceful military
        All this is wonderful.
        BUT!
        WHERE ARE YOU, THE MAIN PART OF RESIDENTS AND WORKERS OF MALOROSSIA, NURSING PASSIONARY AND RUSSOFOB Ukr_ov-parasites ?! WHERE ARE YOU "I, as they say," pro-Russian oriented "citizen of Ukraine" ?! Why is all the zapadenskaya scum that you feed, outraged in Kiev? BECAUSE YOU DO NOT OPPOSE THIS. Or do you dream secretly, and suddenly you're lucky and everything will happen, how ukr_y lie?


        Where are they? They hid their heads in the sand and wait for what will happen.
        1. Peaceful military
          Peaceful military 6 December 2013 22: 08
          +1
          Quote: Hiking
          Where are they? They hid their heads in the sand and wait for what will happen.

          That's just it, that seems to be so. WHAT AT ALL IS UNDERSTANDED ...
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 6 December 2013 11: 19
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Lazer
    if he doesn’t support himself in Russia.

    Do you live badly?
    Dear Alexander, The question is incorrect for two reasons: firstly, we are discussing the situation in Kiev, and secondly, to be honest, I began to live better than in the late 90s. I will never forget how my wife hid her tears sending her son to college : even the minibus didn’t always have enough money, and not just to give the child food or something else! But back to Kiev: I had to visit Moscow twice in 1971 and in 1973, that to say all this only ruined our homeland and worsened the situation ordinary citizens, for the sake of the Yeltsin-Gaidar-Chubais reforms, imposed by the West! What is happening now in Kiev is very reminiscent of the prelude to the collapse of the USSR. If there are no forces capable of decisive action to stop lawlessness, Ukraine will order a long life in the near future!
  • Balalaikin
    Balalaikin 6 December 2013 11: 41
    16
    an occupation...
    1. IOwTZ
      IOwTZ 6 December 2013 13: 41
      +2
      and leather coat tucked in sweatpants
    2. washi
      washi 6 December 2013 15: 39
      +5
      We have a huge Ukrainian market in front of which Polish enterprises do not have full access, ”said Zbigniew Berdichowski, political analyst and founder of the Polish-Ukrainian Economic Forum. - Every year, Poland exports goods worth 5-6 billion dollars to Ukraine, but this is not enough. Removing barriers during Ukraine's accession to the European Union would open excellent prospects for the Polish economy. But the main reason why we want to integrate Ukraine and Belarus into the European Union is the need for cheap labor. Over the past decade, Poland has left two million young people who now work in England, Holland and France.


      Ukraine is eager for the European Union! (Pictured: border posts between Ukraine and the European Union and the poster “It's time to respect Ukraine.”)


      - So, you are preparing for Ukraine the fate of a guest worker country?

      “I don’t see anything wrong with that,” Mr. Berdikhovsky calmly remarked. - Our migrant workers in difficult years sent a significant part of their income to Poland - about 14 billion euros per year, which exceeded the level of foreign direct investment! It was a mutually beneficial process: Western Europe received cheap labor, and we received investment funds and the development of the consumer market. People began to buy cars, products, clothes and shoes.

      “But you did a great job, gentlemen!” Ukrainian migrant workers, sweaty for pennies, will work in Poland, send their modest savings to Ukraine, where their relatives will spend this money on the purchase of Polish consumer goods and Polish canned goods. Story! At the same time, you are chopping the already weak Ukrainian economy to the root. Both Poland and Ukraine are agricultural countries. Ukraine produces a large amount of wheat and sugar (the EU has surpluses of both the first and second) and produces coal and iron ore that are completely unnecessary in the EU. Uncontrolled release of cheap Polish rags and products to the Ukrainian market will finally kill the Ukrainian manufacturer. The guest workers' way for Ukraine is the path to slavery. Take the impoverished Moldova, where half the population works abroad, and for some reason I don’t see Moldova flourishing ...

      “Nobody even says that all countries should develop in this direction,” Mr. Berdikhovsky notes. - And if the country has a high level of corruption and there is no competent management, it certainly will not be able to manage the flow of money from abroad well, whatever form it comes in.

      NEW EUROLOKOP

      Poland has already been flooded with Ukrainian natasha and marinas, doctors and economists by profession, working as cleaners and nannies.

      “Here, for example, a good Ukrainian woman Larisa, an engineer by training, is cleaning my apartment,” says Polish journalist Tadeusz Olshansky. “She's robbing money here so her family can live in Kiev.” I see nothing wrong with that. Twenty years ago, our people also left to work.

      Listening to my Polish friends praising hardworking and educated Ukrainians, scrubbing toilets and floors in Warsaw's houses, I recall the words of a sweet Ukrainian maid whom I met in Warsaw several years ago:

      - I began to call myself Russian here. Do you know why? Poles are afraid of Russian, they do not like, but respect. And we, Ukrainians, as they have been serfs for several centuries for them, have remained serfs.
  • Tanysh
    Tanysh 6 December 2013 11: 42
    +2
    Very dangerous mouse fuss! If Ukraine withdraws to the EU, we will get an enemy on the border, if not, they will tear to pieces, as a precedent, to tear Russia into small principalities. Crushing is a terrible thing. It’s easier to shred pieces!
    It’s not for nothing that starting with Ivan Kalita, they all gathered Russia together, and not just ours ....
  • bagpipe
    bagpipe 6 December 2013 11: 43
    -11 qualifying.
    People, don't get fooled! this cry of "Vladimir" is an ordinary trollism
  • Sashko07
    Sashko07 6 December 2013 11: 48
    +7
    Independence Square was turned into a booth, everyone was littering, everywhere rubbish, as in a public toilet, and these people want to Europe what
  • Balalaikin
    Balalaikin 6 December 2013 11: 48
    +8
    but about the fact that the people are inactive, it’s not (but not a single media will show it, I’m sure how it was on December 1, 2013. THE MILITARY PROGRESS HAPPENED AT THE DISTURBING CENTER OF KIEV
    http://prv.ucoz.ru/news/krestnyj_khod_proshel_po_besnujushhemusja_centru_kieva/2
    013-12-02-196
    )For example:

    Religious procession against "Euro-Sodom expansion" will be held in Kiev
    On December 6, representatives of the Orthodox community will hold a religious procession in Kiev against “Western Euro-Sodom expansion,” Interfax reports.

    Religious procession organized to protect St. Alexander Nevsky. They emphasize that "non-religious expansion is taking a new offensive against our people, especially after the decision of the Ukrainian government to suspend integration into the EU."

    The organizers of the event are the Orthodox Brotherhood of Alexander Nevsky, “Orthodox Choice” and “People’s Cathedral”. The main slogan of the procession will be "Ukraine, Russia, Belarus - Holy Russia together!"

    The action will take place along the route from Kiev Pechersk Lavra to Mikhailovskaya Square, where the building of the Alexander Nevsky Church, which has not yet been transferred to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, has been preserved.

    here's another:
    http://aftershock.su/?q=node/199832
    In Lviv, employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs dispersed a meeting of citizens who came out to say their own no Euro integration.
    In Lviv, employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs dispersed a meeting of citizens who came out to say their own no Euro integration. Judging by the slogans and appearance, the community of one of the Orthodox monasteries rallied. Which however did not stop the Lvov police.
    We have a brilliant situation in our country. Depending on their beliefs, it is possible for some citizens to gather and express their point of view (while occupying the admin building and arranging real pogroms), others cannot arrange peaceful meetings. Protesters against the colonial euro treaty did not throw anything at the police. They did not try to storm the Lviv city hall. But, apparently, the Law is not for Lviv officials. In general, as we see, everything is normal in Lviv with freedom of speech!
  • serge
    serge 6 December 2013 11: 49
    +2
    The Russian Federation is constitutionally a state of the "multinational Russian people." The leadership of the "multinational Russian people" will not support the Russian people in Ukraine. It will not support the Russian people in the Baltics, Central Asia, and the Caucasus. And it doesn't. If it did, there would be no trace of Ukraine for a long time. Well, there is a guide. In it, though not pro-Russian figures, but at least the patriots of the Russian Federation of Putin's spill have a lot of weight. The main problem is in the "Russian-language" mass media. Since the beginning of "perestroika" and up to the present time, the Russian-speaking (Russian does not dare to call their language) mass media diligently form a negative image of the Russian people and in every possible way play off other nations with the Russians. In Ukraine, the media in just twenty years managed to brainwash the Russian people so much (and there has never been another nation in Ukraine) that more than a third of them began to consider themselves a nation of Ukrainians invented less than a hundred years ago, and some of these people even began to speak the freshly invented Ukrainian language ... The Russian people of Ukraine need to understand that both Ukraine and the Russian Federation are captured by the same enemy, which rules states through secret network structures and almost completely controlled official media. Therefore, it will be difficult to wait for help, funding or information support to Russian movements in Ukraine from the official authorities of the Russian Federation. The Russian authorities are for unification with Ukraine as a state-economic structure, but against unification with Ukraine or its part as with the Russian state. This is the direction of the official propaganda and state policy of the Russian Federation. The economic benefits of the unification of Ukraine with Russia are emphasized in every possible way, but the national-political component is left aside. That is, there is an appeal to the mind, but not to emotions. That is, as such, there is no Russian propaganda in Ukraine, since from an emotional point of view, Russian propaganda in Ukraine is possible only in terms of reuniting the divided Russian people. Since the crowd does not live by reason, but by emotions, the opposing side actively uses this, unleashing an information bombardment on the fragile mind of the intoxicated media of the youth of Ukraine with the simplest sledgehammer phrases such as "Ukraine-tse Europe". The reunification of the Russian people in the future is possible with the nationalization of the media. What the Internet is actively helping.
  • WWSW
    WWSW 6 December 2013 11: 52
    +4
    Are you waiting for a good uncle? How much can you do? But what is it? Go to the library (if there is no Internet), read about the organization of counteraction to bandits, organize a self-defense cell in your house, conduct an educational program, educate the people who walk past your house ... What am I really teaching, I'm big!
  • Snoop
    Snoop 6 December 2013 11: 52
    +5
    Themselves to blame! And where are the rallies in support of the decision not to join the EU? Normal, authorized by the authorities, without any gorlopanov. Then and everywhere I look on the Internet and on TV they stop stinking that they say that all Ukrainian people are outraged and are eager for Europe, tearing their nails into the blood.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 6 December 2013 11: 59
    0
    And me personally, this article is not touched. I am tired of reading the comments of ukropatriots, except for stupidity there is nothing in them. But I am tired of reading and comments like this article behave like a flock of sheep, which in turn cut the throat. The Russian language will be banned, films, but they can only cry in our forums and continue to feed the striking west of Ukraine.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 6 December 2013 12: 33
      -1
      Quote: Jurkovs
      And me personally, this article is not touched. I am tired of reading the comments of ukropatriots, except for stupidity there is nothing in them. But I am tired of reading and comments like this article behave like a flock of sheep, which in turn cut the throat. The Russian language will be banned, films, but they can only cry in our forums and continue to feed the striking west of Ukraine.


      Dear lucky one, who, after 1991, remained in the territory of the RSFSR. The whole problem of some Russians in Russia, how are you thinking? flat.

      That Russian language will be banned


      Only fortunately so far in Western Ukraine and in the context of advertising signs.


      then movies


      My friend you are. You are in your comments. Do you want to achieve the reaction of the Russian people in Ukraine sample 1991 year. All this was done gradually. At first there was an advertisement Ukrainian-language, then foreign films with captions. At the same time, the generation that knew the Ukrainian language was growing, although with pleasure it continued to listen to chanson and Russian pop, etc, etc. Technology soft melting pot. In order for Russians in Ukraine to unite, you need to declare them non-citizens as in the Baltic States and be evicted from apartments, dismissed from jobs. But they do not do this, they are taken out brick by brick.

      Jurkovs
      Why Ivanov become Ukrainians? Probably because throughout 23's and gradually they are informationally pumped in this?

      And how is it possible in Russia, the same Russian names and surnames, only:

      Chairman of the Association of Pomors of the Arkhangelsk Region, Head of the Institute of Indigenous Peoples of the North Ivan Moseev.

      And in Ryazan, you can invent people - lunatics. To publish serious works, to conduct classes in schools, and look, there will also be a society of nationality lunatics. And then the whole state against ethnic Russians has been working slowly and coolly over 23 years. So me poh. That this article will not touch you. You are not a patriot, if you do not care that 7-8 million Russians disappear in Little Russia. Russia is still great, right?
      1. washi
        washi 6 December 2013 15: 43
        -6
        Eva_vl Today, 13:19
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        Quote (Foxes @ 6.12.2013, 13:11)
        The fact that the Poles consider the territory of Ukraine to be their own is a fact. On their forums, many write about this.
        And here is what the Poles write about their entry into the EU and Ukraine:
        “... As a result of the Solidarity and Balcerowicz revolution, Poland lost 5 million jobs, just 5 million people do not earn their living. These jobs were exported to the West. Considering in today's conditions, this is 5 million people = 240 billion zlotys, that is, 60 billion euros per year. Over the course of 14 years, we will receive 120 billion euros, and we will lose 840 billion euros. That is, the losses amounted to 720 billion euros. The same is with Ukraine. The real losses of Ukraine in their industrial structure with a high level of dependence on Russia would be enormous. Yanukovych made the right choice in a situation where the EU does not want to pay for its potential profits.
        If Ukraine had already joined the Union in Poland, probably, in some companies, the salaries of employees would have significantly decreased (competition), it would have been more difficult to receive subsidies from the EU. Poland would also lose formally in the strength of the votes in the EU ... "
        ..http: //www.polityka.pl/forum/1182624,ukraina-na-krawedzi-katastrofy.thread

        Russians also consider the territory of Ukraine to be their own.
        So that ??? For me it’s more comfortable with Poland than with bast
        By Russia.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 6 December 2013 12: 07
    +4
    Ukraine returned in 1918 again Petliurists rule and on the streets of the battle from Sich archers-Galicians. Lyakhi and Hungarians saliva from impatience when Ukraine joins the Geyropu truth on the rights of their colony. Nationalists screaming about independence-destroy the independence of Ukraine. Actually, if seriously, we are present at the next stage of preparation for the destruction of Russia. I’m not mistaken, it’s Russia. Nationalists have already virtually destroyed Ukraine in 25 years of rule, now they are selling the remains. By joining the EU, Ukraine will be in NATO, whose bases will thereby be at the center of Russia. The Russian fleet from Sevastopol will be removed at all costs. In the courtyard of the crisis, gentlemen need natural resources. They are in Russia and not in Ukraine, just all this is a multi-way combination. The power of the money which lies in the West is inherently flawed, and can never give the right answer to foreign agents, provocateurs and bandits in this is its inability.