Where did the “Ukrainian” calm of Putin come from?

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When you watch all this history on the “European integration of Ukraine”, the Olympic calmness of President V.Putin catches the eye. The emotional questions of journalists with undisguised overtones: “Russia is losing Ukraine!” Are followed by impartial and short answers, like: this is a matter of sovereign Ukraine, we respect any decisions of an independent state, and take only the necessary measures to protect the market of the Customs Union. And that's all.

There is no information campaign of Moscow to “hold Ukraine”, although there are more than enough arguments for it, given the crisis state of the European Union and the forecasts of serious analysts about its possible disintegration. Only Sergei Glazyev comes forward with warnings to Ukraine about the grave economic consequences of a close rapprochement with Europe, but he is, as it were, supposed by his “Eurasian” status.

Western clakers are trying to pass these meager replicas of Putin for "Moscow’s pressure on Ukraine to make a European choice," but they have nothing to back up this empty phrase. It seems most discouraged by the Ukrainian president.
V. Yanukovych. He, and his friends in Donetsk, were apparently waiting for persuasion and extraordinary proposals from Putin to continue his "tricky policy": "a tender body in two queens sucks." In this case, and prepared, perhaps, an emergency stop in the form of Yulia Tymoshenko sitting in a prison, who is still sitting, despite the fact that Europe exposes her release as an indispensable condition for the association. But there were no offers to Ukraine.

True, Putin said that almost a billion dollar loan to Ukraine was issued recently not without his participation. But disappointed Yanukovych responded to this, in fact, with a provocation. The supply of Russian gas is not paid by Ukraine since August, and also in the amount of almost a billion dollars.

What do we see next? D. Medvedev makes another “Chinese warning” that civilized countries must fulfill contracts. Yanukovych, on the other hand, harasses the leadership of Odessa, and arrests seven years ago of Odessa’s deputy Igor Markov, leader of the Rodina party, who only dared to oppose the hasty course of European integration and for alliance with Russia, on charges of hooliganism (!). An absurd act, especially in the run-up to the "historical choice", if not to consider his goal, finally, to provoke a sharp reaction from Moscow.

However, there is still no significant reaction. In distant Syria, Moscow speaks much more than about political repression in close Ukraine, whose victims are pro-Russian politicians. Imagine that a pro-Western politician of Ukraine would undergo such arrest, what would be the reaction of the free Western press and Western leaders? ...

How to regard all this? Alexei Pushkov, our well-known political scientist, said the other day that the headquarters for European integration of Ukraine is ... the US embassy in Ukraine. The initiators of the association of Ukraine and other Eastern European countries with the EU, as is known, are Poland and Sweden. It is a bit strange, since these countries are not EU leaders at all, but they are loyal US satellite countries, Poland is called like that even by something like the American “Trojan horse” in Europe.

“Old Europe,” especially Germany, has long disliked “Young Europeans”, but Atlantic discipline dominates, and they have to listen to the opinion of their recruits, who are backed by Americans. True, they do it without enthusiasm, put forward ridiculous conditions, such as the indispensable release of Tymoshenko.

Because it’s clear: no European prosperity for Ukraine shines, and for Germany, first of all, this is another “sick person” in Europe and a new financial pain. That's why she needs another Greece? And Ukraine is much more than Greece. And the main thing is almost Russia. And this is the most important thing in this whole story.

If the customer of the Euro-Ukraine project is the States, then what is their purpose? Or do we believe in America’s selfless desire to raise the welfare of Ukraine? (Recall the fate of Georgia, the American "beacon of democracy", nevertheless attacked South Ossetia.) For the USA, Ukraine, let's be frank, is just a springboard next to Russia. A springboard - he is a springboard, designed to fulfill the mission entrusted to him. Which one

Imagine that Russia will have, for example, destabilization of the whole country, and even historically related to it ... Who will benefit from this and who will lose? As we remember, the American theory of “controlled chaos” is designed to create such situations, and there is reason to believe that it is the real strategy of promoting American democracy throughout the world. It seems that Ukraine has become another goal of this US policy, and if not to set fire to Russia, then create a lot of problems for it, and catch the fish itself in the turbid water formed.

Such an awl in the bag, of course, cannot be concealed, everybody understands this, especially in Ukraine, where Kharkiv public figure Viktor Medvedchuk recently publicly stated that the association of Ukraine with the EU would lead to a "catastrophic fall in people's living standards." But the destabilization of the whole country in the center of Europe is not needed and Europe, especially Germany. In the end, the main German gas supplies come from Russia.

If we turn to recent history, then under Yushchenko, Ukraine was very persistently trying to draw into NATO, and also the United States. Then Putin was very alarmed, led active diplomacy, and Yushchenko’s Ukraine was not accepted into NATO. And “no” to Ukraine, Germany said. There is reason to believe that this time Germany will say “no” to the association of Ukraine with the EU, by virtue of the above. This explains the "Ukrainian" silence of Putin, and Merkel.

In general, the entire development of the political situation, especially “after Snowden”, speaks of a strengthening Moscow-Berlin axis. It was Germany, as it turned out, that worries the USA in Europe most of all, Germany and most acutely reacted to the “global wiretap” of the USA, and is preparing an official hearing on this matter. Recently, a Bundestag deputy visited Moscow, where he met with Snowden for his testimony to the German authorities. Snowden agreed ...
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  2. 0
    3 November 2013 10: 08
    Quote: Motors1991
    That's just the thing, gas is transported and stored in underground gas storage facilities at Ukrainian prices, and purchased at world prices. There are leverage, but our leadership for some reason does not use it, on the other hand, Yanukovych made a demarche with the signing of an association with the EU and persuades, agree not logically they don’t use real levers, they just bluff, I bet there will be no signing with the EU, it’s a smoke screen, Putin knows this, that's why he’s calm. There’s just a fuss and trading for pieces of bread,,


    I gave the link above. Study all aspects. I also note that there is no throttle reverse. Poland simply sells to Ukraine the gas that goes through its territory for Poland.
  3. +1
    3 November 2013 11: 19
    If the mattresses press, the association of Ukraine with the EU will take place. But they will have to put pressure on both sides. Yanukovych played to his very tonsils. If he signs, it will be not only a contract, but also a death sentence for himself. Let Yulia out - and hello. But I definitely expected that Russia would harness itself and commit treason: Ukraine is in the EU (read: in NATO)! But in Minsk, Putin severely broke it off. And they are preparing to launch South Stream. Another blow to the gut. Only God knows what is on the mind of GDP. But the fact that Ukraine will not leave the sphere of Russia’s interests (which, in general, meets the interests of both states) is for sure. True, this will be painful for Ukraine, and it is possible that it will cause “destabilization” in the country. But if the people there take up their pitchforks, it will not seem enough to any Yanukovites and Timoshenites. They will knock the spirit out of both the nationalists and the Klichkovites. And if Russia has enough patience not to get involved in their internal squabbles (and we have enough of it, gas flows will be diversified by then) then we will see another brilliant multi-step combination of GDP. Something like this
  4. 0
    3 November 2013 11: 30
    Quote: SGB
    The rest is rudeness, stupidity, mockery. Boring.

    But it’s all senior command staff, mind you. How do people spend so much time posting on the site?
  5. +3
    3 November 2013 12: 48
    Ukraine is not going to join the EU, the most important thing for it is European investments, and expanded trade turnover + loans, and even reforms of the security forces and the economic sector of the economy. After all, European integration is the reformatting of consciousness, laws and the entire life of the country from a feudal system to a democratic vector of development. Türkiye has been an associated member for over 30 years and many things have changed for the better. Russia will never be an enemy of Ukraine and their peoples. If the peoples of the Russian Federation like to live and work for those who rob and deceive them, where crime rules the show, maybe even Russia itself, then this is the right of the people of Russia, if the Ukrainian peoples do not want to work and live with those who humiliate them, blackmail them, take everything the latter and he himself lives by deception and at the expense of those who elected and trusted them - this is the right of choice of the Ukrainian peoples of the country itself. Before inviting someone to your house, you need to restore order and cleanliness.
  6. Igor010777
    +1
    3 November 2013 13: 10
    I read all the comments and it made me sick and tired of all the dogging, but the fraternal people are on the one hand and on the other. Joining an association is something like (the Orange Revolution), another technology of the amers to cause discord, divide, and sow chaos. It is clear that before joining the EU they will ask the people and hold a referendum. And if it’s different, then as Mayor Shumilkin of Kharkov said, “the Russian border is nearby” when exactly it will be x.
    1. elnicrui
      +1
      4 November 2013 11: 21
      Well, it wasn’t Shumilkin who said this, but Kushnarev, now deceased, who died while hunting under the strangest circumstances
  7. +1
    3 November 2013 13: 35
    What is there so much controversy about anyway? Ukraine's association with the EU does not mean its accession to the EU. This is only the opening of customs barriers to European goods. Let Ukraine decide what Ukraine will lose or gain from this. If they don't see obvious things, for God's sake. The fact that the borders with Russia will automatically close is also obvious.
    It looks very much like this association is being signed on EU terms, which means the furry animal is heading towards Ukraine. As one wise man said: “Nothing is more tiring than waiting for a train, especially when you are lying on the tracks.”

    But if they get ready to join NATO, then we have to scratch our heads as to what to do with the girl.

    By the way, some of the long list of countries that already have this notorious association: Egypt, Tunisia, South Africa, Lebanon, Israel, Chile and Turkey...
  8. +1
    3 November 2013 14: 36
    If Ukraine decides to follow the path of European integration to the end (which I personally doubt), the country will be divided into West and East.
  9. +1
    3 November 2013 17: 28
    Yes, it is not Russia that is losing Ukraine, but Ukraine that is losing Russia. It is unlikely that Russia will ever help Ukraine. stop fool
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  11. 0
    3 November 2013 20: 53
    and I would throw Ukraine into the arms of the EU. let them go crazy, and in the future it would be discouraging to others
  12. +1
    3 November 2013 22: 22
    brothers, laughter through tears. Right now, live on the Ukrainian TV channel “Inter”, Ukrainian journalist whores are talking with the American ambassador to Ukraine about Glazyev’s statement wassat Do they expect the Americans to confirm everything Glazyev said? He’ll just say: “Oh, yes. In the American embassy there is a headquarters for coordinating Ukraine’s European aspirations.” Well, a moronic state. Just like in the joke about flies: “Why Motherland Does it smell that bad?"
  13. LAO
    LAO
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    3 November 2013 23: 16
    Ukraine is going its own way and why does it bother Russians so much?
    We have made our choice and it does not coincide with Russian imperial ambitions. The more Russians “go crazy” about our choice, the more we will grow apart from each other.
    Why does Putin have Olympic calm - and what can he do - bite himself on the elbow or tear out the hair on his ass? Everything will be decided without his participation. It was necessary to “scratch” earlier when Yanukovych came and asked to lower gas prices, and the GDP became greedy, and the greedy pays twice! Now Russia is "Goodbye"!
    Why do we need an article and why start a controversy? Remember Lermontov's "Death of a Poet"
    -Weren’t you the one who persecuted so viciously at first...
    .....
    -Fate has reached its conclusion!
    1. +1
      4 November 2013 03: 02
      LAO
      Ukraine goes its own way


      Only strong countries that respect their culture and history have their own path, and the rest only think that they are choosing something
      you apparently didn't read the article carefully
      it just says that Ukraine doesn’t decide anything, everything was decided for you a long time ago in Moscow and Brussels
      1. LAO
        LAO
        0
        4 November 2013 18: 40
        regsSSSR
        We call crippled miners regressniks.
        Apparently the USSR crippled you.
    2. +2
      4 November 2013 03: 30
      Quote: LAO
      -Fate has reached its conclusion!

      There is so much pathos, the funny thing is that you believe in it.
      Quote: LAO
      Why does Putin have Olympic calm - and what can he do - bite himself on the elbow or tear out the hair on his ass?

      The example of Syria showed that Putin can do something.
      Quote: LAO
      Now Russia is "Goodbye"!

      Yes, it seems like you’ve already said goodbye, when you count to three you don’t need to say four.
  14. 0
    4 November 2013 00: 30
    I am Russian, Russian.
    Ukraine, Belarus, Russia - this is one country, one language, one mentality. It is a pity that the "brothers" disperse to please the politicians.
  15. 0
    4 November 2013 01: 37
    Quote: Cristall
    on the site VO so-called "svidomity" do not appear .. They are generally a rarity. You all talk about them - and I, a Ukrainian, saw them only on TV (or rather YouTube) and never in my life.
    Again, scratch everything under one comb .... as a result, form the opposite impression with adequate people.
    Please do not fur all under the mythical "svidomites"



    Solnts, can you tell me why most of the representatives of Ukraine have nicknames here in English? European integration? and they don’t speak Russian.
    1. Misantrop
      +2
      4 November 2013 19: 58
      Quote: 31231
      Why do most representatives of Ukraine have nicknames here in English?

      I spent half an hour trying to register in Russian. It didn’t work out, the provider won’t give it. I had to take my old nickname, left over from the times when only the Latin alphabet was used on sites for nicknames... request
      1. 0
        4 November 2013 22: 35
        Thanks for the explanation. Otherwise, it was a completely sinful thing for me to think that we were losing our brotherly people.
  16. +2
    4 November 2013 02: 31
    I spent a whole hour reading comments from forum members about the article. Indeed, the question is very complex and ambiguous. Listen to the Ukrainian media - everything seems to be going well. Listening to Russian media is not very good, if not worse... By the way, Russian media work exclusively for the Ukrainian listener, because Russia's central channels are broadcast in Ukraine. Only I get the impression that nothing has been finally decided yet. You can expect anything from our (Ukrainian) rulers. It's a shame that the people's opinion is never asked. Only the opinion of the clans is important. I just ask you to understand: Ukraine is not Yanukovych, not Akhmetov, not Tymoshenko... these are, first of all, people, ordinary people, just like in Russia, and in any country. But it just so happens that the actions of individual rulers are identified with the opinion of the entire state (Ukraine, Russia, etc.). Maybe in Russia the president feels the “breath of the people” and leads the country in accordance with national interests, it’s hard for me, a resident of Ukraine, to judge. But the fact that OUR didn’t give a damn about it, any sane citizen of Ukraine will confirm. Politics is a complicated thing, and the point is not whether Ukraine, sorry, Yanukovych, will sign the Agreement or not, but the fact that you and I should not forget who we are, who our ancestors are and what unites us. For this, I think, big brains are not needed.
    1. 0
      4 November 2013 11: 58
      But the people chose Yanukovych! Why do you allow yourself to be cheated? Hang in there. We are close. And we are one people
      1. +3
        4 November 2013 12: 20
        Quote: T-73
        But the people chose Yanukovych! Why do you allow yourself to be cheated? Hang in there. We are close.

        But the choice was not wide. Yusch or Yanyk. I actually voted for Simonenko, but the bandit and the orca made it to the second round. By the way, the bandit ranted about friendly relations with Russia, and Russia seemed to support him since 2004... So there wasn’t much choice. Of two evils, they chose, as it seemed, the lesser.
        Regarding scammers, what can unorganized, disenfranchised and unarmed citizens do against brazen bandit pressure? No help is expected from anywhere. The people are hissing, but there’s no point... And what’s the point of the fact that Russia is nearby, there’s already a thorn on the border pulling In order for the people of Ukraine to stir up and swing sharply towards Russia, they need to show them that in Russia people live much better than in Ukraine, to interest them, to attract them to the side of Russia. To do this, state income from the sale of energy resources will have to be spent on the people of Russia , showing the oligarchs a big bolt. Is this possible?
      2. moskal68
        0
        5 November 2013 23: 39
        Do you think we are not being scammed? Medvedev, as it were, was also chosen by the people. And we also elected world-eating deputies; they didn’t come from Mars. What I mean is that you shouldn’t blame the Ukrainians, because we ourselves are up to our ears in the same shit.
  17. +2
    4 November 2013 03: 30
    May 13, 2008. The Russian community of Crimea calls on the leadership of the Russian Federation to denounce the Great Treaty with Ukraine.
    “The nuclear weapons that were located on the territory of Ukraine were foreign - Russian nuclear weapons: a button in Russia, reproduction of nuclear weapons in Russia. We could not do anything with these nuclear weapons,” Kravchuk said.
    Russia has no intention of attacking Ukraine, but the revision of the border after the loss of the peace treaty will actually force a re-examination of the borders of the two countries. The Budapest Memorandum gives Ukraine protection from attack, but not from revision of the border at the legal level. Even now, the maritime borders in the Azov and Black Seas are not settled.
  18. 0
    4 November 2013 09: 22
    They want to sit on two chairs.
  19. 0
    4 November 2013 11: 26
    Quote: SHEKSPIR
    Ukraine is not going to join the EU, the most important thing for it is European investment, and expanded trade turnover + loans

    Whether you intend to or not is up to you, and the matter is, as always, dark. It is becoming natural and common for Ukraine to suck money from someone. Have you tried to earn money yourself? And the trade turnover you are worried about is maximum with Russia. If you forgot, then quickly remember. And don’t tell us how to live, learn for yourself first
    1. 0
      4 November 2013 12: 25
      Quote: T-73
      It is becoming natural and common for Ukraine to suck money from someone. Have you tried to earn money yourself?

      Around the city of Okhtyrka, where there are small deposits of oil and gas, the Ukrainian state is very successful in making money. But, alas, compared to Russia, the scale is not the same...
  20. 0
    4 November 2013 11: 35
    Quote: 31231
    they don't break their prayers

    This is actually in Polish. They don’t talk - it seems so, and even then it’s conditional. Subtleties of language
  21. vlasov70
    +1
    4 November 2013 12: 16
    It’s clear with Ukraine. she made her choice. And not F..., but precisely with the mind. Only this calculation does not concern the majority of the people, much less Ukraine itself as a state (country). this is the calculation of interested “elite” groups: families, oligarchs, the West. This choice is in their best interest.
    For Russia, this is not so much an economic problem, but a military-political, geopolitical, cultural and historical one.
    1. Ukraine moves into the US sphere of influence (maybe temporarily, maybe forever);
    2. It turns from a partner into a potential adversary (US ally, NATO);
    3. There is a need to plan military operations in the event of a threat from Ukraine, as a territory with a hostile population (from a historical and cultural point of view, this is unprecedented, perhaps since the XNUMXth century. The Greek war and WWII do not count);
    4. The Crimean issue is becoming extremely acute, because the main forces of the Black Sea Fleet will be based on the territory of a hostile state, which calls into question their combat effectiveness. At the same time, there are no other bases that potentially allow monitoring the entire water area of ​​the Black Sea (in the case of modernization of the Black Sea Fleet). In addition, it is quite possible that NATO bases will appear there.
    To this it must be added that this is a blow to the Eurasian project, to the idea of ​​Russia as an alternative geopolitical center. “Ukraine’s Choice” does not put an end to this project, but it certainly weakens it. A different Russian project appears in the hands of the West, the basis of which is
    - “Kyiv is the mother of Russian cities,” i.e. the real capital of the Russian Plain;
    - Ukrainians are real Russians, bearers of true values ​​(Western) in the vastness of the Russian Plain.
    How will we respond to these challenges, or more precisely, how will our government, led by Putin, respond?
  22. 0
    4 November 2013 12: 53
    I should have inserted a poll: Does Russia need Ukraine?
    And in general, to ask the question, how much do we Russians need this Ukraine? What does Ukraine have - oil, gas, coal?
    Tanks? started developing it ourselves
    Rockets? themselves too (they’ve already forgotten about the Southern Design Bureau)
    Aircraft? In Ulyanovsk we are gradually starting to resume production.
    Ships? Yes. We lost Nikolaev, but we can’t deal with the Baltic factories (yet).
    What kind of hemorrhoids do we get from Ukraine? - nationalists (with Bandera), the eternal theft of gas, the flow of goods from Turkey\Poland, the sale of weapons to Georgia\Africa\China\..
    maybe fruits/vegetables? Belarus seems to be closer and better.

    Russians, do we need Ukraine? Maybe her.. in the EU.? Let them suffer with the euro, start immigrating there en masse, diluting Africans and...
  23. +1
    4 November 2013 13: 01
    )))))))))))) yes there is a lot of comments here.
    Yesterday I accidentally found out about this program --- now it is finally clear that the Russian Federation has taken up the task of zombifying the low-intellectual masses





    Against the background of this, it makes sense to comment on something))))))))
    1. 0
      4 November 2013 22: 42
      Now it is finally clear that the Russian Federation has taken up the task of zombifying the low-intellectual masses


      Yep, they're zombies in Russia wink What about in Ukraine? Are you busy writing about proto-Ukrainians and the Holodomor?
  24. +2
    4 November 2013 14: 01
    You won't envy our neighbors. The country is faced with a choice, and there is no clear opinion. The industrially developed east of the country is ready to continue speaking with Russia in Russian, unlike its western part. And you can understand the Germans - why do they need a fifth wheel and even with a swastika? The way out of this situation is obvious - split (chaos). The State Department managed to do this...
  25. EdwardTich68
    0
    4 November 2013 16: 13
    Smart people look at the situation with interest. Verbal battles have already died down, a billion modern
    dollars for Ukraine is a dead poultice.
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  27. +1
    4 November 2013 17: 24
    Quote: atalef
    More precisely, they bent Ukraine like that, they thought it would creep in on its knees. she’s on her knees --- but the other way.


    That’s exactly it. “On my knees --- but in the other direction.” Ukraine has been adapting for centuries. And what we see today is precisely opportunism.
    Being part of the Soviet Union and living like “cheese in butter”, “having” Russia and having everything your heart desires, it turns out that you didn’t even suspect that in order to be independent, you had to have something of your own.
    And now, when it turns out that it will no longer be possible to “fuck” Russia, and they have nothing of their own, they decided on their knees --- “to fuck Europe. When I say Ukraine, I don’t mean the Ukrainian people. I mean Ukrainian politics and those puppets which we unfortunately are forced to observe. And if we talk about the people, I, for my part, wish them strength of spirit because this is just the beginning.
  28. In the book
    0
    4 November 2013 18: 18
    I don't want to offend anyone. But I got the impression that 80% of the comments here are from people who imagine themselves to be great strategists and politicians. Who will ask you what?
    Politicians will make a decision, and the media under their control will form the necessary public opinion.
    The recipe for this is clear as day. You need to take 5% of the truth and dilute it with 95% of lies. That's all! I’ll be a Ukrainian and a Russian tearing each other’s forelocks, instead of sitting with a fishing rod fishing either on the Dnieper or on the Volga.
    Guys, wake up, "...everything was stolen before us..." (c)
    And they threw you (and us) a bone, so we compare our pipsies.
  29. +1
    4 November 2013 18: 31
    Quote: Takashi
    Russians, do we need Ukraine? Maybe her.. in the EU.? Let them suffer with the euro, start immigrating there en masse, diluting Africans and...

    Needed. Furnishing yourself with missiles is not a problem. What about people? On both sides of the border, honor your relatives. Geopolitics can be shoved into the furnace. What about our common past?
    1. 0
      4 November 2013 21: 16
      Quote: T-73
      What about our common past?

      Politics must be done for the sake of the future, not for the sake of the past. You won't get far with the past. And we have a common past with the Tajiks.
  30. 0
    4 November 2013 18: 37
    Quote: Takashi
    Russians, do we need Ukraine? Maybe her.. in the EU.? Let them suffer with the euro, start immigrating there en masse, diluting Africans and...

    Needed. Furnishing yourself with missiles is not a problem. What about people? On both sides of the border, honor your relatives. Geopolitics can be shoved into the furnace. What about our common past?
  31. BARIN
    +1
    4 November 2013 19: 07
    Hello. So many comments :) it makes me happy.
    What I want to note is that stop talking about “brotherly” peoples. Although I believe that our peoples are closer than any other and I am Russian, but enough about that.
    A new generation has grown up and speculation on this no longer affects the majority. For the majority, spiritual or cultural values ​​are no longer important - the cult of consumption prevails over everything :(
    The most interesting thing about the arguments of those who are for the EU is that they again think about themselves. They don’t think about those regions where there are city-forming enterprises and what will happen to the whole!! city ​​when it closes. I saw what was happening to the city of Lisichansk when they “suspended” LINIK’s work there... it’s very disappointing.
    And an interesting situation is developing - those who shout for the EU a lot, yell a lot, rejoice a lot, not understanding the situation, but are happy to show Russia the bullshit. Those who are for the CU - they speak, but more quietly... and they are tired of politics... tired of proving that Russians are not “stupid people”...
    In order for Ukraine to join the Customs Union, everything is being done correctly - put pressure on them, hitting the pockets of our bestial oligarchs. These people don’t care about the people, but their pocket is closer to their conscience. Politicians are puppets.
    And the people? Always part of the people of Ukraine!! Always!! will not like Russia. You can't do anything about it, you can't change it! You just need to understand this. And remember!! Always remember that not everyone in Ukraine is ready to kiss the West. And they are the majority and they quietly and calmly do their work every day, and do not rally for gay parades and for European integration.
    Don't pay attention to attacks from Ukraine. Everyone has the right to their own point of view.
    One thing makes me personally happy - our Yanyk will be removed in any case! That the EU will remove it, that Putin will move it! Wherever he goes, he’s lost. But where will his son’s business be better?!
    I am for an alliance with Russia, for the opportunity to speak Russian, for protection from the Tatars in Crimea, for countering the geosization of society, for investment in industry, and not just the use of our black soils!
  32. Lesnik
    0
    4 November 2013 19: 23
    Quote: AVV
    Clinton, leaving office, screamed that America would not allow integration and the formation of any Unions with Russia! That is, she betrayed all of America’s plans regarding Ukraine!


    and who didn’t understand this? If I were you, I wouldn’t pay attention to the cries of a menopausal woman

    Quote: AVV
    Now the president of the independent Yulia is afraid of being free; if he releases her, he himself will have to sit in prison, and for longer, given the aggravating previous convictions, so he doesn’t have much of a choice!


    Are you afraid of Yulia? This thief is in trust? He is not afraid of Yulia, but of Putin.

    Quote: AVV
    Well, he also wanted to blackmail Moscow to extract further concessions, but Moscow does not act and is doing the right thing!!!


    He wants to get a tsar and not “indulgence”, Medvedchuk will take the tsar to England, he will have to leave and it’s not a fact that he will live long
  33. +1
    4 November 2013 19: 42
    Quote: BARIN
    A new generation has grown up and speculation on this no longer affects the majority.

    The new generation cannot be the majority. And in general, it seems that you mixed “everything in one bottle.” Russia is not putting pressure on Ukraine. Now that's for sure. The time has come to simply communicate within the “buyer - seller” framework. There is no need to love or dislike Russia. We in Russia have already gotten sick, it seems (all sorts of Ethiopians there will confirm). Ukraine itself does not like the part of Ukraine (which does not like Russians), and for good reason. And the meaning here is broader than the same Carpathians (I was visiting there for two years (1985, 1987) and I only remember THOSE people with warmth) or Shevcheno from Femen. Lisichansk will not be alone. You do a lot for our energy sector (heat, nuclear, hydro). Here you can remember Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Severodonetsk. There is no point in talking about pipe rolling at all. It's strange that people who do this speak quietly. But it’s scary if they speak loudly.
    PS There cannot be a pocket closer to conscience, because it replaces it)
    1. BARIN
      0
      4 November 2013 20: 07
      So, I didn’t write about pressure... although I myself asked to “put pressure” on the oligarchs. Hmm...well, this is the only method I see as effective. And this must be done. But don’t put pressure on ordinary people - only on oligarchs!
      And the fact that they speak quietly... well, they are already “tired” of proving something... Fortunately, the struggle “the Ukrainian language is infringed upon in Ukraine by the Russian language” has calmed down!! They have already forgotten about it and stopped shouting on all corners! This is already an achievement, believe me!
      1. Misantrop
        0
        4 November 2013 20: 19
        Quote: BARIN
        do not put pressure on ordinary people - only on oligarchs!
        The trouble is that the oligarchs immediately compensate for their losses in their usual way - from the people's pockets. And who is to blame for this again?... request
  34. +1
    4 November 2013 20: 42
    After Ukraine joins the EU free trade zone, its economy will collapse and the standard of living of the population will fall. The country will reach extreme instability, a conflict along the West-East dividing line is possible. As a result, 1/4 of Ukraine - Western Ukraine will be taken over by Poland, no matter on what terms - a strategic ally, a protectorate, cultural autonomy, but the Polonization of Western Ukraine is inevitable.
    The remaining 3/4 of Ukraine - Eastern Ukraine will also be absorbed, but by Russia under completely different conditions, which will allow Eastern Ukraine to preserve both cultural and national identity. Something similar to the times of Gogol, when the Little Russian nobility and society in general organically became involved in the life of the Russian Empire.
    That's why Putin is calm. Instead of getting a neighbor that is unstable and dependent on the West, getting most of Ukraine to be friendly and possibly become part of the Russian Federation is not such a bad result.
  35. +1
    4 November 2013 20: 44
    So evaluate, brothers-Slavs, the level of our “people’s” Ukrainians. politicians belay This is me talking about how the authorities do not allow the collection of signatures and holding a referendum “EU or CU” and they silence those in the media who are not eager to lie “under Europe”.
    Well, Putin, with our Yanuko, in many hours of conversations without witnesses (they spoke Russian :)), I think he seriously outlined the prospects for this step. Another thing is that the “money bags” who pull the strings of our political elite (Akhmetov, Pinchuk and Comp) have more business interests in the West. And they steer in the same direction. But in fact they will say “We wanted the best, but it turned out as always.....”
  36. fastblast
    -2
    4 November 2013 20: 49
    Treat it with humor




    But this whole mess with the Customs Union and the EU does not concern us at all, and as they decide at the top, so it will be. In this story, as in all stories, only the interests of the clans, personal gain and nothing more are involved. The main thing is for us to remain human.
    1. 0
      4 November 2013 21: 20
      And where is there to laugh? Balobol makes a parody of Balobol. It’s so opportunistic that it’s not even clear whether it’s a parody.
  37. 0
    4 November 2013 21: 02
    Quote: Takashi
    I should have inserted a poll: Does Russia need Ukraine?
    And in general, to ask the question, how much do we Russians need this Ukraine? What does Ukraine have - oil, gas, coal?
    Tanks? started developing it ourselves
    Rockets? themselves too (they’ve already forgotten about the Southern Design Bureau)
    Aircraft? In Ulyanovsk we are gradually starting to resume production.
    Ships? Yes. We lost Nikolaev, but we can’t deal with the Baltic factories (yet).
    What kind of hemorrhoids do we get from Ukraine? - nationalists (with Bandera), the eternal theft of gas, the flow of goods from Turkey\Poland, the sale of weapons to Georgia\Africa\China\..
    maybe fruits/vegetables? Belarus seems to be closer and better.

    It is useless for Russian “imperials” to ask such questions, and even to operate with the economy. Their desire to unite with Ukraine is completely irrational, does not lie in the plane of economic interests and defies logic. The same can be said about the desire of the Ukrainian “Svidomites” to lean towards the EU. They are also trying to reason with them using economic arguments, but they do not perceive them.
  38. 0
    4 November 2013 21: 18
    Their desire to unite with Ukraine is completely irrational, does not lie in the plane of economic interests and defies logic.


    Well, to complete the picture, then tell me what rational things did the Ukrainian authorities do to unite with Russia?
    Belarus and Kazakhstan did just that, and are looking for someone who is not to blame for all their troubles.
    1. 0
      4 November 2013 21: 29
      And what does the Ukrainian authorities have to do with it?
      I don't really care about them. I have not lived in Ukraine and do not plan to.
      But since they asked, I’ll say it. They did nothing and did not strive for it. And there is no need to blame them for this. This is their choice. It is hardly appropriate to reproach a Russophobe for not wanting to unite with Russia. It is much more appropriate to ask those Russians (who also consider themselves patriots) - why should they unite with Russophobes? To make life more fun? No answer. Or, at best, some phrases about a “common past.”
  39. Demetrius
    0
    4 November 2013 23: 09
    Quote: Interested
    Oh, these Slavic brothers. For them, there is nothing better than doing a dirty trick on their neighbor. Poland is especially successful in this, and the Ukrainians are also trying.

    You analyze Russia’s actions over the past few years and you will understand their (neighbors’) great desire
    escape to the European Union!
    1. BARIN
      0
      5 November 2013 12: 11
      I don’t agree with you and I downvoted you! Do you remember what Ukraine did in order to send Russia away from itself!
      1. 0
        5 November 2013 17: 49
        Quote: BARIN
        Do you remember what Ukraine did in order to send Russia away from itself!

        As a resident of Russia, I confirm.
        Maidan and the Yushchenko propaganda that followed it, an attempt to make Russia enemy No. 1, significantly (if not tenfold) increased the number of people in Russia who have a negative attitude towards Ukraine. Few people touch on this topic. But what happened, happened.
        And one should not think that everyone in Russia (or at least the majority) wants unification with Ukraine. This may be the impression on the Internet, but not in real life. On the Internet I constantly come across supporters of “unity”, but I have never met such people in my life no one. The supposedly universal desire of Russians to annex Ukraine is just as stupid a Ukrainian myth as the Russian myth that there are supposedly no anti-Russian sentiments in eastern Ukraine. The first one was invented by Ukrainians who have no idea about the mood in Russia. The second one was invented by the Russians, who have no idea about the mood in Ukraine. My friendly advice to Ukrainians is not to believe the Internet chatterboxes who allegedly speak about a possible unification with Ukraine from the majority of Russians. 90% of Russians respect their country and consider it completely self-sufficient without unification with anyone.
  40. Demetrius
    +1
    4 November 2013 23: 12
    Quote: TeaOK
    If Ukraine decides to follow the path of European integration to the end (which I personally doubt), the country will be divided into West and East.

    Do not wait!
  41. +1
    4 November 2013 23: 57
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I already wrote in the previous article .. This is a lot of running combination clearly! Ukraine at the very last moment will throw the EU and this entire gop company .. This will be another painful and targeted blow (God forbid that this be so)

    You write in such a way that one might think that in Ukraine there is some kind of team led by a wise captain - “Second after God”, that’s funny right wink . I myself live in Lithuania, and we go there too, um feel entered....Allow me, who rightfully saw this hellish experiment, to responsibly report to you soldier . So, we entered on similar conditions - now there is no agriculture and industry. Everyone who could fled to Europe. And Ukraine will be swaddled like a soft cobweb from the beginning, immobilized and all the juices will be drunk from it drinks . And if it’s simpler, you’ve probably seen a poster where a cow is depicted in the sense of “butchering” - that’s what dear Ukraine means for the EU. And what happens is that there are such specialists there love hi hi “and they will help and warm you up.”. The US EU Team and dear neighbors will also be there. They don’t need goods - they need a market for cheap labor recourse (all wild people from different countries got into the EU), and territories. In short, for Ukraine it will be the collapse of the country, and woe to its citizens. PYSY The buddy returned from Kyiv the other day and brought some goodies - delicious wink without the "e" Mmm. And here you look - it’s like sausages, you read pork skin and eee. Guys, do you need it? bully
  42. 0
    5 November 2013 00: 22
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Ukraine will abandon the EU at the very last moment

    which is not at all obvious.
  43. tank 34
    0
    5 November 2013 13: 27
    In recent years, Ukraine has very clearly demonstrated such a phenomenon as the independence of the brain from the head. Which, by the way, is typical of many of our politicians. However, everything is very bright here. I agree with the author that the main guide is the United States and its “six”, like “great gentlemen”. Yes, Germany is the main locomotive of the EU and a lot will depend on its position. Let's see how much reason will prevail over morality (USA) This will be clear at the summit in Vilnius. As for the Kremlin’s reaction, how long can you deal with these sheep from Khreshchatnik. I have enough worries.
  44. Atlantus
    0
    5 November 2013 13: 42
    Quote: Avenger711
    What should we brag about? Because even the most depressed regions in our country live better than Ukraine, and the industry somehow works, producing high-tech products, among other things. Therefore, a Ukrainian fairy tale about how everything in the Russian Federation is badly curtailed, otherwise Ukrainian farmers in Moscow and Europe will laugh at you.


    My dear, when was the last time you were in Ukraine?
    Ask the residents of Stavropol whether it is good for them to live in a depressed region? Agricultural region... meat for 270-350 rubles. kg. Live fish 150-200 rub. kg. milk 35-45 r l.
  45. 0
    5 November 2013 16: 36
    I really want to live until the time when the fog finally clears from the brains of the people of three states, and it becomes clear that we are ONE people, and nothing else. And so, and only together, we have a chance to be strong and successful in all aspects. Is it really not clear that one by one we will all be broken by either one or the other? These seem like obvious things, but how much time and what strength is required to understand and realize them?!
    1. 0
      5 November 2013 17: 59
      Quote: Tiamat2702
      that we are ONE people

      You just don't speak for everyone.
      Quote: Tiamat2702
      Is it really not clear that one by one we will all be broken by neither one nor the other?

      You might even be broken. But we Russians will not be broken. We will break anyone ourselves. Russia will do just fine without uniting with anyone, especially without uniting with Russophobes. And whoever has any complexes in this regard, who considers himself inferior without “brotherly unity” with Tyagnibok and Farion, does not respect himself and his country. Continue to whine and complain about the lack of “brotherly love” from Ukraine. Whining is your constitutional right.
      Only sick people believe that Russia will become stronger by uniting with Russophobes.
      1. 0
        6 November 2013 12: 51
        Quote: Sour
        ... whoever considers himself inferior without “brotherly unity” with Tyagnibok and Farion does not respect himself and his country.

        ))))I don’t consider myself or people like you inferior... Rather, you. And you have no reason to accuse me of disrespecting Russia. Good luck!
  46. Ivan Sirko
    0
    5 November 2013 19: 10
    Isn’t Yanukovych the same twice-unconvicted person whom Putin twice congratulated on not being elected president of Ukraine? Your dwarfs (not only in height, but also in intelligence) have been pushing the unshoveable (Yanyka) into Ukraine for more than ten years and have finally pushed it.
    If your eyes glazed over what you bathed, then wait until you feel better. tongue
  47. 0
    6 November 2013 12: 44
    Quote: Sour
    Quote: Tiamat2702
    Is it really not clear that one by one we will all be broken by neither one nor the other?

    You might even be broken. But we Russians will not be broken. We will break anyone ourselves. Russia will do just fine without uniting with anyone, especially without uniting with Russophobes. And whoever has any complexes in this regard, who considers himself inferior without “brotherly unity” with Tyagnibok and Farion, does not respect himself and his country. Continue to whine and complain about the lack of “brotherly love” from Ukraine. Whining is your constitutional right.
    Only sick people believe that Russia will become stronger by uniting with Russophobes.

    Oh, how you were hit. )Sir, where did I propose to unite with the Russophobes? Tyagnibok and others (Bandera, Shukhevich and others like them) are not the Ukrainian people. By the way, we Russians (I deliberately do not use the word “Russians”) have quite enough traitors and scum. But believe me, in both Ukraine and Belarus, true PEOPLE, just like me, believe that we are one PEOPLE. As for Russia, I am sure that we will survive in any case, together with our brothers or not, we will survive. But TOGETHER it will be easier!
    P.S. and your yapping looks like cheap chauvinism.
  48. Encoder
    0
    6 November 2013 14: 17
    Quote: Ivan Sirko
    they are invited to the table, and they put their feet on the table.

    You are confusing something, this is a tradition among the Amers.
  49. 0
    7 November 2013 02: 00
    Where does Putin’s calm come from? It's simple, he finally realized that he CAN'T change ANYTHING. He doesn’t know how to organize people’s work, he can’t arrange personnel, he’s a weak-willed, apathetic talker. The second number is a match for him... it’s also worse than a windbag... Hence the “calmness”... Let it float as it floats... then Russia will come... if it hasn’t already...
  50. GBG_Belarus
    0
    8 November 2013 14: 14
    Why is everyone fussing over Ukraine and why is there an opinion that Russia is not an empire without Ukraine? Russia is already an empire, despite the fact that the USSR collapsed, Russia is still an empire. Yes, in many ways, Ukraine is an artificial formation, collected from the region of the Russian Empire - Little Russia, which was subsequently annexed by Galicia, which was recaptured from Austria-Hungary and donated by the freak Khrushchev to Crimea. Yes, at the beginning of the last century the main emphasis was on Europe, and without the richest lands of Little Russia, it would have been more difficult for Russia to influence European politics. But now the emphasis is shifting from Europe to the Asia-Pacific region. So right now Ukraine is an independent state, and why on earth should Putin convince it of anything? Suggest something? Offering something for a fictitious unification with Ukraine means taking on their problems. Does Russia need it? Yes, there are enough of our own. Here you just have to wait and everything will happen on its own. Or Ukraine will be able to prove its statehood and remain as a state within its current borders, then purely out of economic benefits it will itself seek a close form of cooperation with Russia, because the West only offers the form of a semi-colonial appendage. Or Ukraine will fall apart into several parts and the eastern part will quietly ask to go to Russia, only on Russia’s terms.
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  52. 4952915
    0
    8 November 2013 14: 24
    Ukrainian Cossacks “initiate the US Ambassador into Ukrainian Cossacks.” The pose of the heroic Ukrainian Cossack is deeply symbolic.