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Where did the “Ukrainian” calm of Putin come from?

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When you watch all this history on the “European integration of Ukraine”, the Olympic calmness of President V.Putin catches the eye. The emotional questions of journalists with undisguised overtones: “Russia is losing Ukraine!” Are followed by impartial and short answers, like: this is a matter of sovereign Ukraine, we respect any decisions of an independent state, and take only the necessary measures to protect the market of the Customs Union. And that's all.


There is no information campaign of Moscow to “hold Ukraine”, although there are more than enough arguments for it, given the crisis state of the European Union and the forecasts of serious analysts about its possible disintegration. Only Sergei Glazyev comes forward with warnings to Ukraine about the grave economic consequences of a close rapprochement with Europe, but he is, as it were, supposed by his “Eurasian” status.

Western clakers are trying to pass these meager replicas of Putin for "Moscow’s pressure on Ukraine to make a European choice," but they have nothing to back up this empty phrase. It seems most discouraged by the Ukrainian president.
V. Yanukovych. He, and his friends in Donetsk, were apparently waiting for persuasion and extraordinary proposals from Putin to continue his "tricky policy": "a tender body in two queens sucks." In this case, and prepared, perhaps, an emergency stop in the form of Yulia Tymoshenko sitting in a prison, who is still sitting, despite the fact that Europe exposes her release as an indispensable condition for the association. But there were no offers to Ukraine.

True, Putin said that almost a billion dollar loan to Ukraine was issued recently not without his participation. But disappointed Yanukovych responded to this, in fact, with a provocation. The supply of Russian gas is not paid by Ukraine since August, and also in the amount of almost a billion dollars.

What do we see next? D. Medvedev makes another “Chinese warning” that civilized countries must fulfill contracts. Yanukovych, on the other hand, harasses the leadership of Odessa, and arrests seven years ago of Odessa’s deputy Igor Markov, leader of the Rodina party, who only dared to oppose the hasty course of European integration and for alliance with Russia, on charges of hooliganism (!). An absurd act, especially in the run-up to the "historical choice", if not to consider his goal, finally, to provoke a sharp reaction from Moscow.

However, there is still no significant reaction. In distant Syria, Moscow speaks much more than about political repression in close Ukraine, whose victims are pro-Russian politicians. Imagine that a pro-Western politician of Ukraine would undergo such arrest, what would be the reaction of the free Western press and Western leaders? ...

How to regard all this? Alexei Pushkov, our well-known political scientist, said the other day that the headquarters for European integration of Ukraine is ... the US embassy in Ukraine. The initiators of the association of Ukraine and other Eastern European countries with the EU, as is known, are Poland and Sweden. It is a bit strange, since these countries are not EU leaders at all, but they are loyal US satellite countries, Poland is called like that even by something like the American “Trojan horse” in Europe.

“Old Europe,” especially Germany, has long disliked “Young Europeans”, but Atlantic discipline dominates, and they have to listen to the opinion of their recruits, who are backed by Americans. True, they do it without enthusiasm, put forward ridiculous conditions, such as the indispensable release of Tymoshenko.

Because it’s clear: no European prosperity for Ukraine shines, and for Germany, first of all, this is another “sick person” in Europe and a new financial pain. That's why she needs another Greece? And Ukraine is much more than Greece. And the main thing is almost Russia. And this is the most important thing in this whole story.

If the customer of the Euro-Ukraine project is the States, then what is their purpose? Or do we believe in America’s selfless desire to raise the welfare of Ukraine? (Recall the fate of Georgia, the American "beacon of democracy", nevertheless attacked South Ossetia.) For the USA, Ukraine, let's be frank, is just a springboard next to Russia. A springboard - he is a springboard, designed to fulfill the mission entrusted to him. Which one

Imagine that Russia will have, for example, destabilization of the whole country, and even historically related to it ... Who will benefit from this and who will lose? As we remember, the American theory of “controlled chaos” is designed to create such situations, and there is reason to believe that it is the real strategy of promoting American democracy throughout the world. It seems that Ukraine has become another goal of this US policy, and if not to set fire to Russia, then create a lot of problems for it, and catch the fish itself in the turbid water formed.

Such an awl in the bag, of course, cannot be concealed, everybody understands this, especially in Ukraine, where Kharkiv public figure Viktor Medvedchuk recently publicly stated that the association of Ukraine with the EU would lead to a "catastrophic fall in people's living standards." But the destabilization of the whole country in the center of Europe is not needed and Europe, especially Germany. In the end, the main German gas supplies come from Russia.

If we turn to recent history, then under Yushchenko, Ukraine was very persistently trying to draw into NATO, and also the United States. Then Putin was very alarmed, led active diplomacy, and Yushchenko’s Ukraine was not accepted into NATO. And “no” to Ukraine, Germany said. There is reason to believe that this time Germany will say “no” to the association of Ukraine with the EU, by virtue of the above. This explains the "Ukrainian" silence of Putin, and Merkel.

In general, the entire development of the political situation, especially “after Snowden”, speaks of a strengthening Moscow-Berlin axis. It was Germany, as it turned out, that worries the USA in Europe most of all, Germany and most acutely reacted to the “global wiretap” of the USA, and is preparing an official hearing on this matter. Recently, a Bundestag deputy visited Moscow, where he met with Snowden for his testimony to the German authorities. Snowden agreed ...
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  1. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 2 November 2013 08: 41
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    I already wrote in the previous article .. This is a lot of running combination clearly! Ukraine at the very last moment will throw the EU and this entire gop company .. This will be another painful and targeted blow (God forbid that this be so)
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 08: 55
      75
      No information campaign of Moscow on “holding Ukraine” is also observed,
      And the fact that the daily reports on the news on Ukraine is what?


      Because it’s clear: no European prosperity shines for Ukraine, but for Germany, first of all, it’s another “sick man” in Europe and a new financial pain. Why does she need another Greece?
      The author talks about who invites Ukraine to the EU in general, and no one. What European well-being, why write about what cannot be. The association is a blow to the Ukrainian economy, and the bright European happiness is already far-fetched.
      And in general, what Putin is yelling at, what is the point of shouting. They want to sign, but let them sign. Russia will not lose, but Ukraine ............. you need to think with your head, not JO **!
      1. xan
        xan 2 November 2013 09: 51
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        No information campaign of Moscow on “holding Ukraine” is also observed,
        And the fact that the daily reports on the news on Ukraine is what?

        when they want to hold on, they offer something in return. Ours have long ceased to offer, they say the same thing. Informational reports are sometimes just informational reports, all the more far from daily.
        Sometimes a cigarette is just a cigarette, as old Freud said.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 10: 00
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          Quote: xan
          when they want to hold on, they offer something in return.

          And that did not offer anything? On one oil and gas, Ukraine would save 10 billion dollars a year in the budget. On the other, there is nothing to say. But ...... insanity defeated reason hi
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 2 November 2013 17: 06
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            On one oil and gas, Ukraine would save 10 billion dollars a year in the budget.

            So, too, Ukraine ... Now, if Yanyk could put such money in his pocket on oil and gas, he would run into the vehicle.
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak 2 November 2013 21: 10
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            Quote: ...
            Yanukovych, on the other hand, persecutes the leadership of Odessa, and arrests on charges of hooliganism (!) Seven years ago Odessa deputy Igor Markov,

            December 15, 1967, Viktor Yanukovych was first sentenced to 3 years in prison for participating in a robbery under article 141, part 2 of the Criminal Code of the Ukrainian SSR (robbery) as a member of the Pivnovka criminal group.
            On June 8, 1970, Viktor Yanukovych was re-prosecuted for causing moderate bodily harm under Art. 102 of the Criminal Code of the Ukrainian SSR (moderate bodily injury) and sentenced to 2 years in prison. But at the same time, pre-trial investigation and trial in the court lasted 9 months.

            no one took a criminal record. This follows from the statement of the press service of the Prosecutor General on July 11. It states that the judgments of the Donetsk Regional Court of the Ukrainian SSR of December 27, 1978, which abolished the sentences of the people's court in 1967 and 1970. in relation to the future Prime Minister and the candidate for President of Ukraine, were falsified by unidentified officials of the Court of Appeal of the Donetsk Region around 2002-2004.

            Oh, he will release an orange woman in the EU, on his ass
            1. AVV
              AVV 2 November 2013 23: 32
              15
              Clinton squealed when leaving office that America would not allow integration and the formation of any Alliances with Russia! That is, it had given out all of America’s plans for Ukraine! Now the president of the independence of Yulia is afraid to be free, if he will have to sit down, he himself will have to sit and take into account longer aggravating previous convictions, so his choice is not rich! Well, he also wanted to blackmail Moscow to extort the next concessions, but Moscow is not being conducted and is doing the right thing !!!
              1. vlad.svargin
                vlad.svargin 4 November 2013 16: 03
                +7
                AVV (1)
                Clinton squealed while leaving office, That America would not allow integration and the formation of any Unions with Russia!

                I support and add that this program was launched back in ancient times in Europe:
                Otto von Bismarck:
                “The power of Russia can be undermined only by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia, set off two parts of a single nation and watch how brother will kill his brother. To do this, you only need to find and cultivate traitors among the national elite and with their help change the self-consciousness of one part of a great nation to such an extent that it will hate everything Russian, hate its kind without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. ”

                And I think that we all forum users do not have to give in to the provocation of Europe. They are just waiting for this.
            2. Ross
              Ross 3 November 2013 12: 15
              +8
              Once the Ukrainians were already led by the US special services to an orange "revolution" and everyone bought it like children. It looks like the story with the EU - part 2 of the Marmaison ballet. And there is still no antidote ...
            3. MG42
              MG42 3 November 2013 18: 13
              +3
              Quote: Vadivak
              December 15, 1967, Viktor Yanukovych was first sentenced to 3 years in prison for participating in a robbery under article 141, part 2 of the Criminal Code of the Ukrainian SSR (robbery) as a member of the Pivnovka criminal group.
              On June 8, 1970, Viktor Yanukovych was re-prosecuted for causing moderate bodily harm under Art. 102 of the Criminal Code of the Ukrainian SSR (moderate bodily injury) and sentenced to 2 years in prison. But at the same time, pre-trial investigation and trial in the court lasted 9 months.

              no one took a criminal record. This follows from the statement of the press service of the Prosecutor General on July 11. It states that the judgments of the Donetsk Regional Court of the Ukrainian SSR of December 27, 1978, which abolished the sentences of the people's court in 1967 and 1970. in relation to the future Prime Minister and the candidate for President of Ukraine, were falsified by unidentified officials of the Court of Appeal of the Donetsk Region around 2002-2004.

              In video 6-18, it is the same judge who made the "decision" in 1978, who comments this in the first person >>
            4. Pooh
              Pooh 9 November 2013 21: 28
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              [/ Quote]
              no one took a criminal record. This follows from the statement of the press service of the Prosecutor General on July 11. It states that the judgments of the Donetsk Regional Court of the Ukrainian SSR of December 27, 1978, which abolished the sentences of the people's court in 1967 and 1970. in relation to the future prime minister and candidate for President of Ukraine, were falsified by unidentified officials of the Court of Appeal of the Donetsk region somewhere in 2002-2004. [/ quote]
              What does it all matter ??? I will allow myself to quote Article 89 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine .. "The following are recognized as having no criminal record: ... 7) persons sentenced to imprisonment or the main
              fine for a moderate crime if they
              within three years from the date of serving the sentence (the main and
              additional) will not commit a new crime;

              8) persons sentenced to imprisonment or basic
              fines for a felony if they are for six
              years from the date of serving the sentence (primary and secondary) is not
              commit a new crime;

              9) persons sentenced to imprisonment or basic
              fines for a particularly serious crime, if they
              within eight years from the date of serving the sentence (the main and
              additional) will not commit a new crime. "That is, one way or another, the conviction of citizen Yanukovych has been extinguished. Another question is that this citizen is digging a hole for himself now with absolutely inadequate steps in domestic and, especially, in foreign policy. Vague doubts are plaguing. are not our Western "friends" promised him the notorious "box of cookies and a barrel of jam"?) Or another equivalent of 30 pieces of silver?
        2. mountain
          mountain 2 November 2013 10: 40
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          And how much can you offer and what exactly? Maybe Russia can take Ukraine on a trailer in general, and let it rest. But next and so satisfying. ((((
          1. rolik
            rolik 2 November 2013 19: 52
            +6
            Quote: mountain
            Maybe Russia can take Ukraine on a trailer,

            This was already under the USSR.
          2. onegin61
            onegin61 2 November 2013 20: 39
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            AM NECESSARY TO GIVE A CHANCE OF DISCONNECTING, TROUBLESHOOT NOT TO EXPLAIN OTHERS
            1. alexng
              alexng 7 November 2013 13: 55
              +1
              This is what Russia has prepared for the cunning Bandera supporters. It is on this that the Zapadlentsy will crap, having lost all influence in Ukraine after this adventure. Otherwise, it looks like this insanity cannot be defeated. Let them smash themselves against the "Berlin" wall.
          3. chief.matros
            chief.matros 2 November 2013 21: 29
            +2
            and will you feed her from your pocket?
        3. Botanologist
          Botanologist 2 November 2013 11: 11
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          Quote: xan
          when they want to hold on, they offer something in return.


          Why bargain with someone who does not have their own will? Or do you seriously think that Yanukovych is independent and independent in his actions? If Putin made a bargain with Merkel, then it makes no sense to pay attention to Yanukovych. The policy is not done for a week or for a year. Historical processes are measured at historical intervals. Why fuss if the result is already predetermined?
          1. evgeny1td
            evgeny1td 2 November 2013 14: 55
            +8
            Nerd, Elegantly said
          2. wow
            wow 2 November 2013 15: 40
            13
            It is much better to have such a predictable, decent ally (or even an enemy) like a German (he won't spit in the face and won't shoot in the back) than such a "relative" like hoh ... sorry Ukrainian !!!
            1. Lawless
              Lawless 2 November 2013 18: 36
              10
              In 1941, before the attack everyone woke up !!!!!! Learn the story ...
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 2 November 2013 19: 23
                +7
                Quote: Lawless
                In 1941, before the attack everyone woke up !!!!!! Learn the story ...

                Especially if you compare it with the proud Russian "I'm going to you".
                1. mixxlll
                  mixxlll 3 November 2013 01: 33
                  +1
                  When prince Igor rivers the words enemies were in uzhzze since they knew that the prince was sure of victory. (psychological move). So pride here did not smell.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 3 November 2013 01: 38
                    +3
                    Quote: mixxlll
                    . So pride here did not smell.

                    I kind of wrote nothing about pride!
                  2. Fin
                    Fin 3 November 2013 20: 10
                    +5
                    Quote: mixxlll
                    When prince Igor rivers the words enemies were in uzhzze since they knew that the prince was sure of victory. (psychological move). So pride here did not smell.

                    Prince Svyatoslav.
            2. Ivan Sirko
              Ivan Sirko 5 November 2013 18: 52
              -6
              And about relatives like Katz ... I'm sorry, the Russians here say: they are invited to the table, and they are feet on the table.
              1. alpenstock
                alpenstock 6 November 2013 01: 08
                +3
                and for some reason they don't shout at the parades "people of Kiev on the knife".
              2. arane
                arane 6 November 2013 18: 34
                +3
                What about you? Hooh? I have always believed that Ukrainians are different concepts! And I do not think that in Russia there are many idiots who sincerely negatively relate to the people of Ukraine .....
          3. Simon
            Simon 2 November 2013 20: 16
            +1
            Yes, this is a good political chess game, where Putin placed the pieces so that Ukraine wins in only one case, and this case is clear, but not rapprochement with Europe. request
          4. bif
            bif 3 November 2013 07: 47
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            Quote: Botanologist
            If Putin made a bargain with Merkel, then it makes no sense to pay attention to Yanukovych

            Putin certainly didn’t get along with Merkel, and there’s nothing to talk to Yanukovych at all. I will briefly explain.
            The EU needs Ukraine for many reasons: 1. The sales market, 2. The potential NATO base in Sevastopol, 3. The Ukrainian pipe ... these are the main ones, BUT the main thing is that when the Association Agreement is signed, the EU gets its "Wishlist", but Ukraine will become a member The EU with all the attached benefits "NOT BEFORE 2025" - this is how the leaders of the union announced. maybe more.
            Germany (Merkel) - the locomotive of the EU, concentrated all EU assets at home - the entire large industrial sector (competitors were either shut down or absorbed), the hub of Russian gas and the rest received through it on its territory - that's why Germany stood up for Nord Stream and increased threads . Speaking about Ukraine, the Germans were scary as they wanted to saddle Her pipe and gain control over the export of Russian gas ... BUT on the horizon loomed the South Stream, which depreciates UkrTruba and is a competitor (for Germany) to the North. Russia and Germany entered a kind of silent war that has been going on for some time. She is not yet visible, but she is, she is happening now.
            1. bif
              bif 3 November 2013 08: 43
              +9
              Quote: Botanologist
              it makes no sense to pay attention to Yanukovych

              That is why it seems that No information campaign of Moscow on “holding Ukraine” is also observed..
              And with whom to talk? The main beneficiary of the desired accession to the EU can be considered those who are in power today, who, having sucked to power today, are pulling money from a bloodless state, and it has become so thanks to them.
              The only one with whom Putin is ready to engage in dialogue is the Ukrainian people, but he is silent ... In order to punish some, while others have a voice, Russia is now going to excommunicate Ukraine from Russian preferences, which will significantly worsen the country's economic situation. Firstly, it lowers the rating of Ukraine, which will make loans much more expensive and, one might even say, will make them completely impossible. Thus, Europe, even if it wanted to absorb Ukraine, it would not be easy to do it. Russia's debt will also be added to an inefficient economy. Who needs such an uncomfortable suitcase, and even heavy with the debts that have to give Russia. Those who believe that this has been done in spite of Ukraine need to object that everything needs to be paid and gifts have run out. Putin wants to receive money for the goods sold. Secondly, it hits those who carefully “peel” the Ukrainian budget. In a constrained economy, stealing is not so easy. If the economic situation worsens, then the authorities will have to find a common language with their own people, who, of such humor, may not understand and will take up the pitchfork. As you know, first of all, anger will be directed against its own ... Today, the Ukrainian government is facing a threshold of default, which will inevitably happen if at the last moment Putin, for whatever reason, does not want to save her.
              1. bif
                bif 3 November 2013 08: 44
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                CONTINUED
                The flogging of Ukrainian oligarchs is already underway:
                1. One of the first to suffer losses was the owner of the Roshen factory, Petro Poroshenko, also popularly known as the "Chocolate Hare." he has repeatedly expressed himself in relation to Russia in very unflattering turnovers. However, at the same time, he opened the production of sweets in Russia, but mainly, he imported them from Ukraine. Production in Russia, in fact, is a cover, like that he employs Russians, but in reality he drove production to Russia “outside Ukraine” and, of course, received a VAT refund, which took him offshore.
                2. Russia suspended the validity of certificates for the supply of wagons of three plants to Russia: Azovosobemash, Dneprovagonmash and Kryukovsky car factory .. There is a fourth victim, the Stakhanov Car Building Plant (SVZ). There is no direct ban on the supply of products from this plant, however, the RSFZHT does not allow the operation of Czech casting, which was equipped with about 90% of cars made by SVZ in the 2012 year. and Yuri Ivanyushchenko), Krukovka Carriages Vladimir Prikhodko.
                3. The eldest son of Yanukovych tripled his fortune in six months, Alexander Yanukovych is the president of Management Assets Company (IACS), which is engaged in investment in construction projects.
                4. The Federal Customs Service (FCS) of Russia ALREADY regularly introduces restrictions on the Russian-Ukrainian border ... losses are irreplaceable.
                5.RF does not reduce the price of gas for Ukraine, because ordinary Ukrainians still will not notice this, because between the Russian Federation and consumers there are a lot of gas distribution network owners who, at a low purchase price for gas (as already), do not reduce the cost to residents and get a huge margin.
                Material used:
                http://www.contrpost.com/en/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3378-po-komu-bet-putin-na-ukr
                groin
                http://www.contrpost.com/en/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3379-putin-gotov-otkazatsya-o
                t-ukrainy
                http://vz.ru/tags/ukraina/
                http://contrpost.com/en/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3342-vremya-ukrainy-vyshlo
                http://contrpost.com/en/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3345-ukraina-mezhdu-strakhom-i-so
                vestyu
            2. Hug
              Hug 3 November 2013 10: 48
              +1
              Very real version. However, IMHO, the real reasons for this or that historical action, most likely, have deeper roots, and we probably will not even know about the reasons (real) in our lifetime. Archives, most likely, will be opened on this subject in about fifty years, because too many politicians who are now alive (including Russian ones) participate in this play for their personal prosperity. (Maybe among them is the GDP?)
          5. timer
            timer 4 November 2013 19: 08
            0
            Well Putin bargained with Merkel and what, to sit back and watch how the brotherly people are dying? I believe that it is necessary through information pressure to achieve the removal of this shit Yanukovych from his post, and to help the pro-Russian politicians come to power. And as for the local princes, oligarchs - to cut them their interests in Russia, and call on healthy entrepreneurial forces in support of the above politicians.
        4. Anper
          Anper 2 November 2013 11: 42
          42
          And in Ukraine, not just news reports - brainwashing, which has not happened since the 90s! Everyone is digging - yesterday at Inter they spat on the battle of Kiev, and for 10 years, such topics have not been touched. But the red thread - imperial Russia does not let go! And very actively, to the point of nausea, all this is now increasing. For example, the paid screechers, even when spitting on the events of 70 years ago, said that the main problem of the battle near Kiev has emerged for Ukraine now by the decision of the question of joining the European Union. Understandably, the softening of the brain, but what a twist!
          1. history
            history 3 November 2013 00: 02
            +3
            Taking into account the battle "For Moscow", "Stalingrad", "Kursk" and in general the results of the Great Patriotic War, our President and Mrs. Merkel should not communicate at all! However .... All reasonable and sane people understand everything! fellow
          2. alexander 2
            alexander 2 3 November 2013 00: 45
            +5
            But it’s not like this in Russia with the Soviet regime. They are silent about achievements, they’re sticking out shortcomings. They try to spit everything that is possible and impossible. to the world. And the words are no longer valid in Ukraine. It seems that until they themselves get burned, they don’t understand.
        5. atalef
          atalef 2 November 2013 12: 51
          -15 qualifying.
          Quote: xan
          Ours have long ceased to offer

          Yes, not long ago, but almost when it was too late. More precisely, they bent Ukraine like that, they thought it would creep in on its knees. she’s on her knees --- but the other way.
          This I do not compose, I heard everything from my wife’s relatives (in Kiev), 3 months ago. I do not know who is right and who is not, More or less. But the divorce in different angles of the two great fraternal peoples, with a centuries-old joint history --- I consider it even worse than the collapse of the Soviet Union. I don’t know who is to blame for this, but Russia’s fault is not small.
          1. 31231
            31231 2 November 2013 13: 51
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            More precisely, they bent Ukraine like that, they thought it would creep in on its knees. she’s on her knees --- but the other way.

            Maybe tell in more detail how they bent and how ?!
            You probably all can be seen from Judea, are we blind-eyed from propaganda here ?! wink
            1. atalef
              atalef 2 November 2013 13: 57
              -17 qualifying.
              Quote: 31231
              Maybe tell in more detail how they bent and how ?!

              Well, Ukrainians will write it to you better than me, only howls can you hear?

              Quote: 31231
              You probably all can be seen from Judea, are we blind-eyed from propaganda here ?!

              Well, in terms of remoteness, so we are almost almost equidistant. If you take the flight hours, only unlike you, I’m in (or on) like anyone else -Ukraine is once every 1-2 years. And my wife’s relatives have every goal, and sometimes not once. So that I have information no less than you. When was the last time in Ukraine --- I was 3 months. back.
              Are there any other questions ?
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 14: 31
                10
                Quote: atalef
                Well, Ukrainians will write it to you better than me, only howls can you hear?

                that is, nothing to say?
                we hear a ringing but don’t know where it is ...
                1. 31231
                  31231 2 November 2013 14: 39
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                  That's because a person was asked a question, and he only croaked his saliva.
                  Although both the professor and Pupyrchaty often flaunt here that it is necessary to talk reasonably.
                2. Walker1975
                  Walker1975 4 November 2013 00: 24
                  +4
                  Ukrainians could write, but the point? There will only be cursing and cons.
                3. aksakal
                  aksakal 4 November 2013 10: 19
                  +5
                  Quote: DanaF1
                  that is, nothing to say? we hear a ringing but don’t know where it is ...

                  - Well, when there is an opportunity to kick Russia, make it guilty, the comrades from Israel are right there, and they are not at all stopped by the fact that there is nothing to SAY. So what? Anyway, he said something, it is not clear, but he said, here the main phrase is:
                  Quote: atalef
                  I don’t know who is to blame for this anymore, but Russia's fault is not small either.

                  - and the rest is trifles. And you, DANaF1, didn’t find fault at all with that, but you should have felt a huge guilt complex and self-fall apart. Russia was also solely to blame for the conflict 080808 - but the Professor already voiced the blame for Russia there.
                  "You are only to blame for the fact that I want to eat!" Ridiculously, tiny predator Israel of such a hefty Russia declares it. Are there any chances? Interesting. laughing
              2. Setrac
                Setrac 2 November 2013 19: 34
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                Quote: atalef
                Are there any other questions ?

                The question was asked - how did Russia bend down Ukraine. I note no one asked about your family and your trips around the world.
            2. Simon
              Simon 2 November 2013 20: 26
              +3
              So to speak with him, let Ukraine crawl to Europe on its knees, there she will not be able to get up at all, they will not help her, like Russia.
            3. Lesnik
              Lesnik 4 November 2013 19: 31
              +1
              These guys from Israel who hang out on the site are mostly SOVIET like me, so I think you shouldn’t run into them like that, they just have a slightly different angle of view
              1. 31231
                31231 4 November 2013 20: 51
                +1
                you shouldn’t run into them like that, they just have a slightly different angle of view


                And who runs into them ?! I just asked for a reasoned explanation of how Russia leaned on Ukraine.
          2. Indigo
            Indigo 2 November 2013 14: 17
            70
            Do you know who will be in chocolate in this gesheft? So I’ll tell you - the city in the West where I live has a name - Polish streets - Yavrkeyskie houses (Polish streets - Jewish kam'yanitsі), and who is most "worried" about geyropization? Poles and behind their backs - well, these, gusky, and why - so Rabbi Lvovsky has all the documents on the property of Jews up to 39g. on hand, and the Poles were frequent with examinations. Since the raguli will be evicted from privatized houses and apartments and driven back into the stall ... and you won't bark - the laws of the gamer ... This is how they will return the zapadenshina to Poland, and the property to the gussies ...
            Something is already beginning to reach the ragul to the brains swam from Polish fat ...
            1. 31231
              31231 2 November 2013 14: 41
              +7
              laughing good
              Thank. Neighing.
              1. atalef
                atalef 2 November 2013 15: 48
                -11 qualifying.
                Quote: 31231
                Thank. Neighing.

                By the way on nickname, what breed of horse? Or is it a mule? Or a donkey?
                1. 31231
                  31231 2 November 2013 16: 14
                  23
                  And what I needed to put a bat mouse according to the specification in the troops? So I already served urgent.
                  And why didn’t the donkey please you ?! A good, hardy and unpretentious animal.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 2 November 2013 16: 26
                    -25 qualifying.
                    Quote: 31231
                    Thank. Neighing

                    Quote: 31231
                    And why didn’t the donkey please you ?! A good, hardy and unpretentious animal.

                    Yes, everything is fine. It matches the nickname. Only donkeys don’t laugh


                    Quote: 31231
                    And what I needed to put a bat mouse according to the specification in the troops? So I already served urgent

                    Well, at least in some ways we are similar.
                  2. In the reeds
                    In the reeds 2 November 2013 17: 17
                    -76 qualifying.
                    Well, it’s better to be the first among donkeys ... But Ukraine was thrown before the Holodomor. You should ask forgiveness from them, not strangers, after all ...
                    1. 31231
                      31231 2 November 2013 17: 35
                      29
                      My God ?! Another yavrei curse swearing blames for offense Outskirts.
                      Did sho donkeys do you bad ?! You then I see not khukh-mukhra, but the cat predator avatar set.
                      Proff with Pupyrchaty, too, smiling avatars have nothing and blush with shame.
                      By the way, by the way, how do you feel about a democratic party in the United States Party?
                      1. In the reeds
                        In the reeds 4 November 2013 15: 59
                        -6
                        I am an Israeli born in the Crimea with Ukraine closer than with Russia. And rejoice that most of the Israelis do not understand this nonsense, that you write, and we will not mortgage, because we understand your mentality. Pluses, minuses, we wouldn’t have smiled at all for the meat market so who would buy.
                      2. shpuntik
                        shpuntik 4 November 2013 17: 33
                        +4
                        In the reeds of IL Today, 15:59 ↑ New
                        Pluses, minuses, we wouldn’t have smiled at all for the meat market so who would buy.

                        Are you one of these, orthodox Hubbadniks or what? Also strive to sell after the murder?

                        Quotes from the Talmud:
                        1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Killing a goy is like killing a wild animal."
                        2. Aboda Zara 26b: "Even the best of the goyim should be killed."
                        3. Sanhedrin 59a: "The goy who pokes his nose into the Law (Talmud) is guilty and punishable by death."
                        4. Libbre David 37: "Tell the goyim something about our religious relationship
                        tantamount to killing all Jews, because if they knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly. "
                        5. Libbre David 37: "If a Jew is given the floor to explain any part of the rabbi's book, he must only give false explanations. Anyone who ever breaks this law will be put to death."

                        6. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a girl is allowed if the girl is 3 years old."
                        7. Schabouth Hag 6d: "Jews can make false promises for excuses."
                        8. Hikkoth Akum X1: "Don't save the goyim in case of danger or death."
                        9. Hikkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the goyim."
                        10. Choschen Hamm 388,15: "If it can be proven that someone gave the money of the Israelites to the goyim, a way must be found to wipe it off the face of the earth after prudent compensation for damages."
                        11. Choschen Hamm 266,1:
                        12. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book Of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew can and must swear a lie when the goyim ask if there is anything against them in our books."
                        13. Baba Necia 114,6: "Jews are human beings, and other nations of the world are not people but beasts."
                        14. Simeon Haddarsen fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes, every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
                        15. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created non-Jews in human form so that Jews would not have to use the services of animals. Therefore, non-Jews are animals in human form who are condemned to serve Jews day and night."
                        16. Aboda Sarah 37a: "Goyim girls from the age of 3 can be abused."
                        17. Gad. Shas. 22: "A Jew can have a non-Jewish girl, but cannot marry her."
                        18. Tosefta Aboda Zara B5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he must answer for it, but if a Jew kills a goy, he is not responsible."
                        19. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permissible to kill accusers of Jews everywhere. It is permissible to kill them even before they begin to denounce."
                        20. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388:
                        21. Tosefta Aboda Zara VIII, 5: "How to define the word robbery? It is forbidden for a goy to steal, rob, take women and slaves from a goy or a Jew. But a Jew is not forbidden to do all this in relation to a goy."

                      3. 31231
                        31231 4 November 2013 18: 06
                        +1
                        It’s violet to me who you are and where from. But I'm sorry, when you are not reasonably accusing Russia and its population, then I absolutely do not like it.
                        Here I answer only to unjustified attacks on the side of my country and its people. I do not like when people speak for my country more than I do, although they do not live in this country.

                        Py.Sy. And as for the plus and minus signs: this is some kind of vyunechestvo. I am equally indifferent to what the corporal's "snivel" or the big star. I'm here for communication and discussion, not for ratings.
                  3. Pushkar
                    Pushkar 2 November 2013 18: 06
                    21
                    Quote: In the reeds
                    Well, it’s better to be the first among donkeys ... But Ukraine was thrown before the Holodomor. You should ask forgiveness from them, not strangers, after all ...

                    Well, the famine was not only in the south of Russia, but Babi Yar was definitely only in Kiev. Do you remember this in Israel?
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                    2. Indigo
                      Indigo 2 November 2013 20: 35
                      11
                      Quote: Pushkar
                      Well, the famine was not only in the south of Russia, but Babi Yar was definitely only in Kiev. Do you remember this in Israel?

                      and who was the commandant of this Bvby Yar - half-Jew Maikov (Maikovsky - I don't remember exactly his last name, but it was etched into my memory that he was a half-breed) Yes, and for the hunger - my grandfather told what it was - torgsin - in a hungry village and who was sitting in this shop (well, not a damned one, of course, but a purebred gussky) - so here before the world so-called. "love" through Art. The Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (Ukraine) is so far away that the horizon of this event cannot be seen with the help of the stolen Theory of Relativity ...
                    3. atalef
                      atalef 2 November 2013 20: 47
                      +8
                      Quote: Indigo
                      ) Yes, and for hunger - my grandfather told what is - torgsin - in a hungry village and who was sitting in this shop

                      Yes, there was no one famine in Ukraine, you still tell another tale that it was organized by Stalin. This whole story with an imaginary famine was invented exclusively for the development of a guilt complex in Russia and told people like where we would now be if m. Naz in the 30s would not be killed. Who started these tales? Yushchenko, when and why didn’t you think? And grandfather had to work, and not to starve in the village, as in Ukraine, in the village you can starve? Do you remember some store, even now in the village you can do without money, your own, and then even more so.
                      So, it seems that your business was not particularly fond of working, therefore, with all his strength supports these stories about imaginary famine.
                    4. Setrac
                      Setrac 2 November 2013 21: 04
                      18
                      Quote: atalef
                      This whole story with an alleged famine was invented exclusively for the development of a guilty complex in Russia

                      And it was invented by the Jews, just like the lie about the Jews destroyed by Hitler, swept with the Germans, not with the Russians, the Russians did not instill guilt.
                    5. atalef
                      atalef 2 November 2013 21: 16
                      +8
                      Quote: Setrac
                      the guilt was not instilled in the Russians.

                      of course. and why there should be a feeling of guilt for what was not.
                      The Holodomor myth had one goal, to bring a final split between Ukraine and Russia. economic issues can still be settled. and things like
                      -You famished my relatives with hunger ---- never to be forgotten.
                      article on VO and comments. read
                      http://topwar.ru/19929-byl-li-golod-1932-1933-godov-genocidom.html
                    6. scrack
                      scrack 3 November 2013 00: 20
                      +6
                      Now they want to blame the genocide of the Jews of Stalin
                    7. aksakal
                      aksakal 4 November 2013 12: 42
                      +2
                      Quote: scrack
                      want to blame the genocide of the Jews of Stalin

                      - but before that, how to blame the Stalin’s genocide, it would be nice to conduct a large-scale historical study of the role of Ashkenazi Jews in this famine, and in the mass execution of former Russian officers in Crimea (who is Zalkind and who is Bela Kun?), or rather not executed , mass cynical drowning, and in the execution of the royal family (xy from Yurovsky and xy from Goloshchekin?). By the way, Kazakhs have their own scores for Goloshchekin. Let's try to blame Stalin, a lot of interesting things will be revealed. In the end, will Stalin be on the bench of the accused?
                      Quote: In the reeds
                      Well, it’s better to be the first among donkeys ... But Ukraine was thrown before the Holodomor. You should ask forgiveness from them, not strangers, after all ...

                      - as if to you both for Babi Yar, and for Zalkind with White Kun, for Trotsky with Sverdlov and other brothers, who arrived at the right time in Russia with suitcases of money, whoever came from where, ask first for forgiveness, and then tell others who and for which I must apologize.
                2. history
                  history 3 November 2013 00: 13
                  13
                  Well, hunger after the First World War and Civil was everywhere! Both in Ukraine and in the Volga region! Just do not distort. The famine throughout the empire was, but not Tsarist ... And after the war, there was famine in Ukraine, and it was in Russia! And it’s bad that someone shares this! This is our story! angry
                3. rolik
                  rolik 3 November 2013 01: 12
                  +3
                  Quote: atalef
                  ) Yes, and for hunger - my grandfather told what is - bargaining

                  Dude ... TORGSIN .... translates as - TRADE WITH FOREIGNERS, existed from 1931 to 36 years, and here is the village ????? Torgsin, the prototype of future Birch trees, to compare.
                  Sorry of course, but to atalef This koment does not apply)))) This is for Indigo comment)))) Once again, a thousand sorry people))))
                4. In the book
                  In the book 4 November 2013 11: 04
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  Yes, there was no famine in Ukraine

                  You are wrong, there was a famine in Ukraine in the 30s of the last century. I know about this not from Wikipedia, but from the stories of my grandmothers, one lived in the Cherkasy region, the other in the Krasnodar Territory. And the wife’s grandmothers (Dnipropetrovsk region) also told enough.
                  I personally have no right to blame Russians for this hunger. But the famine was made artificially, with the help of the same officials, local political workers.
                5. vovan1949
                  vovan1949 4 November 2013 22: 21
                  0
                  In those years, hunger was, to one degree or another, in Europe and America. These were lean years.
                6. In the book
                  In the book 7 November 2013 16: 21
                  0
                  May be so. But not to the same extent as in Ukraine.
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        6. Simon
          Simon 2 November 2013 20: 35
          +6
          And what he remembers, they do not study history there.
        7. Korben
          Korben 4 November 2013 16: 35
          0
          And what about Babi Yar said? "Flashed" flashed or his absence?
        8. In the reeds
          In the reeds 4 November 2013 19: 24
          0
          I was named after the memory of my uncle. We arrived and took everything until today ... He was honest and stubborn ... And where is his ashes. And this was not done by the Nazis.
        9. spg1949
          spg1949 5 November 2013 11: 29
          0
          And hello to you and not to be ill! Can you tell me your uncle didn’t work in the Cheka? And then there were many of your relatives and relatives of democratic Latvians, who later received on their business?
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 2 November 2013 21: 38
      32
      Quote: In the reeds
      And Ukraine was thrown before the famine. You would ask forgiveness from them,


      Well, I say soon the Russians will have to apologize to the Germans for all the Germans for taking Berlin, for the Romanians, Hungarians, the Japanese for not bending, the Georgians for Ossetia, the states for Vietnam, who else did we apologize to? Who else have we not saved?
      1. AVV
        AVV 2 November 2013 23: 59
        19
        Only now no country wants to apologize to Russia, neither Poland, nor Swedes, nor Romania, nor Britain, nor Japan, everyone is clean before Russia, there are nowhere so innocent all pink and blue stamps !!!
    3. ksan
      ksan 2 November 2013 23: 02
      12
      In the reeds of IL Today, 17:17 ↑

      Well, it’s better to be the first among donkeys ... But Ukraine was thrown before the Holodomor. You would ask forgiveness from them, not strangers, after all ..
      Do you think Russia has organized the Holodomor ??? or do you have problems with education ?? Forgiveness ??? because the Russians starved to death more than other nations ??? for the fact that this is our common history ?? Maybe you better advise the Israelis to apologize to the Arabs to ask for the fact that you won the war with them ??
    4. shtabs
      shtabs 3 November 2013 19: 05
      +2
      Let OUN supporters apologize
    5. Don
      Don 4 November 2013 13: 50
      +2
      Quote: In the reeds
      Well, it’s better to be the first among donkeys ... But Ukraine was thrown before the Holodomor. You should ask forgiveness from them, not strangers, after all ...

      Is it interesting for what Russians should ask for forgiveness from us?
  2. rolik
    rolik 2 November 2013 19: 56
    11
    Quote: 31231
    ! Good, hardy and unpretentious animal

    Forgot to add - smart. And does not see everything upside down hanging head down))))))
    1. a52333
      a52333 2 November 2013 20: 28
      +9
      Quote: rolik
      And does not see everything upside down hanging head down))))))
      Do bats shit in a dream? lol
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 2 November 2013 20: 34
        +4
        atalef
        In the reeds
        31231
        rolik
        a52333

        So, I warn the aforementioned visitors, from switching to a person, in discussions.
      2. rolik
        rolik 2 November 2013 23: 33
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        Quote: Apollon
        So, I warn the aforementioned visitors, from switching to a person, in discussions.

        And now I bring up for discussion the question of the transition to personalities. In a recently deleted commentary, I mentioned an excerpt from the novel "The Golden Calf" by all the beloved Ilf and Petrov. This is a story told by Comrade O. Bender to a German correspondent on a literary train. The story was "About the Eternal ....", on the basis of which this comment was successfully removed by the Apollo moderator. Whoever has read it knows that the story was not about the Jewish question, but the question of Ukrainian nationalists. In this regard, the question arises about the suitability of the moderator under the nickname "Apollo" as a moderator, without studying the topic, and using, so to speak, his official position, simply delete the comments you did not like. Moderator, first of all, means impartiality and elementary erudition. This is not the case here. Following this logic. in further comments, one should not mention such literary works as: "Jews of the city of St. Petersburg or Cheerless conversations by candlelight" by the Strugatskys, "idioms and ethnographers" by Dostoevsky, "There were no Jews" by A. Burovsky and many other works ...
        In my response to this moderator, I asked all his claims to be redirected to the authors of the mentioned works.
        Respectfully to all those here.
        Yes, I forgot. But for some reason no one, including Apollo, notices. When every trash lets him open his mouth to my father. For this trash I repeat, my father started working at the age of 13 and worked until 67. He was awarded the Order of Labor Glory, as well as the Veteran of Labor medal, and the winner of the Socialist Competition signs. All these awards were given to him by the Soviet state - the USSR. That is why he has such a pension that allows him to live peacefully in Bulgaria. And this scum to him, as to the moon in the pose of a washerwoman to go.
      3. Hudo
        Hudo 2 November 2013 23: 46
        +9
        Quote: rolik
        In a recently deleted commentary, I mentioned an excerpt from the novel "The Golden Calf" by all the beloved Ilf and Petrov. This is a story told by Comrade O. Bender to a German correspondent on a literary train. The story was "About the Eternal Jew", on the basis of which this comment was successfully deleted by the moderator Apollo


        Verily, your wonderful deeds, O Lord! Can all the same he did not read this book which, based on the inscription in it, is recommended for middle and senior school age?
      4. rolik
        rolik 2 November 2013 23: 48
        +5
        Quote: Hudo
        Verily, your wonderful deeds, O Lord! Can he still not read this book?

        Moderator ???? do not read ???? let him give me the mailing address, I will send))))))
      5. Hudo
        Hudo 2 November 2013 23: 54
        10
        Ilf and Petrov fortunately happily rested in a Bose without even imagining that someone would Censor them there?
        Following this, if I may say "logic", it is necessary to officially lay out the list of books and the names of their authors, the citation of which is prohibited.

        There are crimes worse than burning books - for example, not reading them. Ray Bradbury "Fahrenheit 451"
      6. rolik
        rolik 3 November 2013 01: 01
        +4
        Quote: Hudo
        There are crimes worse than burning books - for example, not reading them. Ray Bradbury "Fahrenheit 451"

        The burning of books history has already passed, I'm not talking about N.V. Gogol, it was much later, in the last century. But ..... choo !!! ... now they will be accused of something else)))))
        And unreading books, we are going through it now)))) Now the Internet is ahead, books are not in the top (((((
      7. Hudo
        Hudo 3 November 2013 01: 16
        +3
        Quote: rolik
        But ..... choo !!! ... now they will be accused of something else)))))

        I wrote to you, Roman, in PM about the new adventures of the brave seamstress.
      8. rolik
        rolik 3 November 2013 01: 24
        +3
        Quote: Hudo
        I wrote to you, Roman, in PM about the new adventures of the brave seamstress

        Thanks, read))) I will steer something like that)))))
        Good luck with me +))))
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 3 November 2013 01: 50
      +7
      Quote: rolik
      Now the Internet is ahead, books are not in the top
      And what remains at SUCH prices for printed materials? The son the day before yesterday on the way from service looked into the bookstore ... How about buying a book of A. Kruz for only ... 500 hryvnias (2000 rubles)? Salaries of the son just for three books would be enough. And with Ineta you can tear off for free so far ... request
    3. Hudo
      Hudo 3 November 2013 02: 00
      13
      Quote: Misantrop
      And with Ineta you can tear off for free so far ... request


      Already different yurasty-kryvozdetniki howl raises about aftyr's rights, so that it was impossible to download a fool - the plebs should be dull, such an installation now, and you are about reading books and thinking about what you read. This is sad. But they were quite recently the most reading country in the world. Even a lousy shepherd from a collective farm took the magazine "Science and Life" with him to graze cows to read - and now there is no collective farm, no shepherd who can read, no cows to graze, no science, no life in which one can confidently look into the future. ..
    4. maxvet
      maxvet 3 November 2013 19: 48
      +1
      Quote: Hudo
      Even a lousy shepherd from a collective farm took the magazine "Science and Life" with him to graze cows to read - and now there is no collective farm, no shepherd who can read, no cows to graze, no science, no life in which you can confidently look into the future

      Believe me now, cattle from mobile in social networks hang, by the nature of work I encounter hi
    5. Hudo
      Hudo 3 November 2013 20: 12
      +1
      Quote: maxvet
      Believe me now, cattle from mobile in social networks hang, by the nature of work I encounter


      But these are absolutely different things - to read clever articles without compulsion and understand their meaning, and read-write full rubbish in social networks. Agree.
  3. rolik
    rolik 3 November 2013 15: 18
    +2
    Quote: Misantrop
    And what remains at SUCH prices for printed materials?

    I agree categorically. But always, twice a month, I go to the bookstore and buy from the book. Plus, after my father left, there was a library of about 2000 books)))) So in our family, the book is in a place of honor. Although the speed of obtaining information is faster than the Internet. And to enjoy reading, nothing beats a book))))
  4. Apollo
    Apollo 3 November 2013 00: 11
    -3
    Quote: rolik
    The story was "About the Eternal .....", on the basis of which this comment was successfully removed by the Apollo moderator. Whoever has read it knows that the story was not about the Jewish question, but the question of Ukrainian nationalists.


    I pointed out to you a violation of the VO Rules,point b) ......... read carefullythat it’s not clear, your comment was deleted, too, you know why, for the word that is spelled out in the Rules and your erudition you do not need to expose yourself to me and others, you also don’t have to bicker with me. There is a site administration, you have the right to appeal my actions if consider my actions contrary to the VO Rules.
    Quote: rolik
    In this regard, the question arises about the suitability of the moderator under the nickname "Apollo"

    As for professional suitability, it’s not for you to judge, again there are Admins and in general the Council of the Site is up to them to decide. In my activity as a moderator I am guided by the VO Rules and not by books, articles or magazines.
    As for the rest in the content of your comment, if there are complaints, please contact the other moderators in a particular case or me, if something doesn’t suit you, then the Admins, the last word is theirs.
    PSIf your side is followed by another comment that is similar in spirit and content, in time Today, 23: 33, it will be deleted by me without notice, with a warning, to you. All.
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  6. a52333
    a52333 3 November 2013 19: 23
    +2
    Apollo is right, ALL of us skidded around the corners.
  7. rolik
    rolik 2 November 2013 23: 38
    +6
    Quote: a52333
    Do bats shit in a dream?

    No one saw)))) Maybe in flight ??? Fly and do, fly and do ,,,, well, something like that))))
  • Simon
    Simon 2 November 2013 20: 31
    0
    You see, many people in Ukraine are beginning to understand the truth.
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 4 November 2013 19: 41
    0
    Oh wei Fima ... Yes you calm down wassat
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  • varov14
    varov14 2 November 2013 18: 14
    0
    What is so divorced, maybe it's such a sport, crawl, see, like crawling too. We will know the main direction.
  • mountain
    mountain 2 November 2013 19: 21
    12
    Being under the Soviet system, they thought that they feed the whole of Russia, but they can’t feed themselves. They climb into Europe, thinking that they will liberalize with them there? I sincerely doubt it.
    1. Firstvanguard
      Firstvanguard 2 November 2013 20: 45
      +5
      It will be liberal and will. Take advantage of the knee-elbow pose of Ukraine with all democratic tolerance. And then zapodentsy on all grounds will consider themselves full-fledged geyropeytsami.
      1. uyrii67
        uyrii67 4 November 2013 09: 10
        0
        I remembered the joke. A new teacher introduces himself to the students: I am such and such a liberal. Children answer., Turn comes to Vovochka-I am a Stalinist! I have a dad and mom and grandfather are Stalinists. Uchitil-And if your father were a drug addict, mother a prostitute, grandfather drunk, who would you be? Little Johnny would then be a liberal.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 2 November 2013 19: 31
    +6
    Quote: atalef
    But the divorce in different angles of the two great fraternal peoples, with a centuries-old joint history --- I consider it even worse than the collapse of the Soviet Union. I don’t know who is to blame for this, but Russia’s fault is not small.

    In this case there is only one great nation - the Great Russians - Russians, and the Russians in Ukraine were great being a part of this nation. This Russia has a long history, the state of Ukraine is a baby. The core of Russian civilization is the Volga region, but what about Ukraine? It is the outskirts of Ukraine, Ukraine wants to be great - let it be if it can.
    Quote: atalef
    More precisely, they bent Ukraine like that, they thought it would creep in on its knees. she’s on her knees --- but the other way.

    Who bent her? She bent down.
  • Shooter308ful
    Shooter308ful 2 November 2013 19: 57
    +3
    I think the Anschluss of Ukraine would be supported by ordinary Ukrainians.
  • Simon
    Simon 2 November 2013 20: 23
    +7
    My friend, what is the fault of Russia? That she gave gas at a discount and gave loans at low interest rates. Stop feeding her anyway, she’s looking at Europe.
  • Anper
    Anper 4 November 2013 11: 23
    0
    Kiev is not Ukraine, but rather an exception to the rule.
  • Civil
    Civil 2 November 2013 10: 34
    54
    1. Start distributing Russian passports in the Crimea and eastern regions.
    2. Organize a clear Russian diaspora in Ukraine.
    3. Provide clear territorial requirements.
    4. No Anschluss, only a section.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 11: 00
      23
      Quote: Civil
      1. Start distributing Russian passports in the Crimea and eastern regions.

      Great idea good
      Quote: Civil
      4. No Anschluss, only a section.

      Now your post in Lviv will be replicated by thousands across the internet. Adding, here's a look at the imperial ambitions of the Russians.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 2 November 2013 11: 47
        22
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Civil
        4. No Anschluss, only a section.

        Now your post in Lviv will be replicated by thousands across the internet. Adding, here's a look at the imperial ambitions of the Russians.


        This is not even an argument - ARGUMENTILE finally !!! And how long will we Russian people look into the caries mouth of the fascist lower Smerak primates there, what are they doing with their bagels twisting their shabby tails pro-o-o-o-o-o-o?
        1. Viktor1
          Viktor1 2 November 2013 12: 16
          55
          Dear Hudo, it is not surprising, but in Lviv there are also people who do not want European integration and you can imagine half such people here.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 2 November 2013 12: 21
            13
            Quote: Viktor1
            Dear Hudo, it is not surprising, but in Lviv there are also people who do not want European integration and you can imagine half such people here.


            Sincerely surprised.
            1. Viktor1
              Viktor1 2 November 2013 12: 26
              15
              And ... you are everywhere, it so happened that in Lviv there are historically more of them, I mean those who want European integration, rather than honest cooperation with both the Customs Union and Europe.
              Regarding our neighbors, "Poles", they are not particularly loved here, but rather the opposite.
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 14: 39
                +5
                Regarding our neighbors, "Poles", they are not particularly loved here, but rather the opposite.

                I heard that the Westerners of the Poles do not like even more than the Russians, is this true?
                the Poles, by the way, have already rolled their lips to western Ukraine ...
              2. VADIMKRSK
                VADIMKRSK 2 November 2013 16: 06
                0
                Quite the contrary - ento how?
                1. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 2 November 2013 21: 53
                  +5
                  Quote: VADIMKRSK
                  Quite the contrary - ento how?


                  And you do not know that Poland chopped off the Ukrainian lands that the USSR returned. Even the war was between the OUN and the Poles encouraged that surprisingly not by Russians but by all Germans now respected

                  Several reports of the HKBD regarding the activities of the Polish Army in the rear of the Soviet troops on the liberated lands in 1944, 1945.
                  “October 16, 1944.
                  In the Kholmsky district, "AK" units operate ... These units made more than 10 armed attacks. Killed 15 people from among local workers.
                  11 people were killed in Zamostyansky district, 5 of them are Red Army soldiers. ”
                  “From June 1 to June 10, 1945, in the territory of Poland, AK gangs carried out 120 armed raids on public security organs and the police, small groups of Soviet and Polish military personnel, as well as on the civilian population of Ukrainian and Belarusian nationalities; 16 Soviet servicemen, 27 employees of the public security organs and the police, 25 members of the PPR and activists, 207 of the civilian population were killed. ”
                  “June 6 this year AK gang, Lieutenant Tsibulsky, known by the pseudonym "Falcon", carried out a pogrom over the Ukrainian population of the village of Vetkhovina (13 kilometers southwest of the city of Kholm).
                  The bandits killed 202 people, including infants, adolescents, men and women of all ages.
                  "Civilians were killed by firearms, hoes, shovels, axes, knives, women were chopped off their heads, men were tortured with red-hot iron rods."
                  “November 30, 1945.
                  39 were killed, 24 were injured, 8 police officers were captured. ” "Red Army soldiers killed 6 and injured 5 people."
                  “18 soldiers of the Red Army were killed”, “61 people from the local population were killed."
                  From a report dated April 23, 1946:
                  “Killed and wounded: 25 soldiers of the Red Army, 7 civil servants, 64 local residents”
          2. washi
            washi 2 November 2013 12: 39
            +4
            Quote: Viktor1
            Dear Hudo, it is not surprising, but in Lviv there are also people who do not want European integration and you can imagine half such people here.

            Well, not half, but many. Those who did not manage to buy, sell or did not get a job at UNA, those who simply want to work.
            1. Viktor1
              Viktor1 2 November 2013 12: 42
              +8
              In UNA, people also work, they have to say one thing at work, but they do and think about the other. But there are much fewer of them, mostly former skinheads like Tyagnibok.
          3. shasherin_pavel
            shasherin_pavel 2 November 2013 16: 06
            +2
            Viktor1: I heard that in the West of Ukraine, someone breaks the monuments to Banlera and others into small pieces. And I'm glad that even there is an understanding of the moment. Or maybe someone has visited the countries of the former "Soviet Europe" and looked at what e ... ooo they got when even national pies were no longer sold in the markets.
          4. Alexei
            Alexei 2 November 2013 18: 15
            +4
            Quote: Viktor1
            Dear Hudo, it’s not surprising, but in Lviv there are also people who don’t want European integration and you can imagine half of them here

            And the other half, who are not like those who are against Euro-integration, invite to the city of Brzezinski, who tells them about Dales’s plans, and about how better to argue with the Slav brothers, because the Slavs are almost worse than the Irish who excite the brain the United Kingdom so far.
          5. Simon
            Simon 2 November 2013 20: 42
            +3
            So there are still normal people in Lviv.
          6. elnicrui
            elnicrui 4 November 2013 11: 15
            0
            But what about the election results? Something "does not agree" with your statements!
      2. atalef
        atalef 2 November 2013 12: 57
        -9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        1. Start distributing Russian passports in the Crimea and eastern regions.
        Great idea

        Sasha, why do this.
        At present, the nationality of a citizen of Ukraine is not indicated in the passport and other identification documents. However, it is believed that the titular people of Ukraine are Ukrainians (according to the latest census, make up 77,82%).[ten]. The second most numerous people are Russians (10%).

        Relatively large ethnic groups of Ukraine's population are: Belarusians (0,57%), Moldavians (0,54%), Crimean Tatars (0,51%), Bulgarians (0,42%), Hungarians (0,32%), Romanians (0,31%), Poles (0,30%).

        Well look at things really
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 13: 08
          43
          Quote: atalef
          Well look at things really

          I don't give a damn what is written in the papers. I don’t give a damn that some sort of official in Russia believes that there is no Russian nation.
          What you propose to look at things really is treason. Russia and Ukraine are one state + Belarus = Rus. That was and will be so.
          1. atalef
            atalef 2 November 2013 13: 59
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            What you propose to look at things really is treason. Russia and Ukraine are one state + Belarus = Rus. That was and will be so.

            Sasha. Yes, I do not mind, even for.
            Just how?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 14: 27
              16
              Quote: atalef
              Just how?

              You know, 10 years ago, talking about the TS would have caused a wild laugh. Time goes by, everything changes.
              1. atalef
                atalef 2 November 2013 15: 46
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                You know, 10 years ago, talking about TS would have caused a wild laugh. Time goes by, everything changes

                Well, if you were told 10 years ago that there would be such misunderstandings with Ukraine, you would not have believed it. Therefore, I agree, everything is changing and not always for the better.
            2. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 14: 43
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              Just how?

              how how...
              let them go to hell, all the same, in the end, they will come to us, because we also need to eat ...
              1. atalef
                atalef 2 November 2013 15: 47
                -1
                Quote: DanaF1
                let them go to hell, all the same, in the end, they will come to us, because they also need to eat.

                And when they roll, feed?
                1. Danafxnumx
                  Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 15: 52
                  +8
                  Quote: atalef

                  And when they roll, feed?

                  when they come down, according to the ancient democratic tradition, we will give them a bait to feed ourselves ...
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 2 November 2013 16: 17
                    -1
                    Quote: DanaF1
                    when they come down, according to the ancient democratic tradition, we will give them a bait to feed ourselves

                    What if they will gobble up a fishing rod from hunger?
                  2. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 16: 24
                    +4
                    Quote: atalef
                    What if they will gobble up a fishing rod from hunger?

                    and where are we?
                    it is their sovereign right ...
                  3. atalef
                    atalef 2 November 2013 16: 29
                    -1
                    Quote: DanaF1
                    DanaF1 Today, 16:24 ↑ New
                    Quote: atalef
                    What if they will gobble up a fishing rod from hunger?
                    and where are we?
                    it is their sovereign right ...

                    So in the EU it seems like sovereign right, and the fishing rod on the seals and with dumplings --- tsimes tongue
                  4. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 16: 39
                    +3
                    Quote: atalef
                    So in the EU it seems like sovereign right, and the fishing rod on the seals and with dumplings --- tsimes

                    well, we don’t hold anyone bully
                    if someone with hunger seems to have a dummy with dumplings in the EU, then how can we help?
                  5. In the reeds
                    In the reeds 2 November 2013 17: 30
                    -13 qualifying.
                    Yes, everything that the brothers share, gas, oil, bread and everything will be different ... or Chechnya is relatives
                  6. 31231
                    31231 2 November 2013 17: 53
                    12
                    She is part of a large family of the Russian Federation. And these lost brothers are already looking for their stepmother.
                  7. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 18: 02
                    +6
                    Quote: In the reeds
                    Yes, everything that the brothers share, gas, oil, bread and everything will be different ... or Chechnya is relatives

                    we already shared, and what became more familiar?
  • Indigo
    Indigo 2 November 2013 20: 45
    +7
    Here are the real things - Kharkov Rabbi Hodes:
    all the ins and outs of Chabad in the post-Soviet space:
    1. Jewish syndrome. Kharkov 2001. E. Hodes.
    2. Jewish roulette or feast during Kuchma. Kharkov 2002. E. Hodes.
    3. Hebrew Syndrome 3. The Forgotten Protocols of the Elders of Zion. X. 2002. E. Hodes.
    4. At the edge of the grave or wild Khazar dances, an open book to the President of Ukraine. X. 2006. E. Hodes.
    5. Jewish fascism or CHABAD - the road to ad.X.2005.E. Hodes.
    6. Jewish syndrome 2 1/2. Real events in the World of Illusions. Kh. 2002. E. Khldes.
    7. Jewish strike or P ... dec crept unnoticed. Monologue with a noose around his neck. X.2003.E. Hodes.
    8. The Chabad team. Khiba roaring the Jews, as Yasla rebel? X.2006.E. Hodes.
    Look what a howl will rise now. I recommend everyone to read. They burned these books near Odessa, tried to buy up the entire circulation. You can take off your hat before this JEWISH.
    1. atalef
      atalef 2 November 2013 21: 07
      +3
      Quote: Indigo
      Here are the real things - Kharkov Rabbi Hodes:

      real things this
      The Holodomor in Ukraine gave rise to many myths, the most popular of which most people believe in is that the famine in Ukraine in 1932-33 was artificially provoked by the USSR government. However, the author of the article “The myths of the Holodomor” [ljuser] alex-serdyuk [/ ljuser] together with the historian Ivan Chigirin managed to collect archival documents that break the myth of the “bloodthirsty government of the USSR”.

      Take a look, it will be useful
      Myths about the Holodomor
      http://berioska.ru/news-21-882.html
      The Holodomor Myth - The Invention of Manipulators of Consciousness
      http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/592113/
      The myth of the Holodomor in Ukraine in 1932-33
      http://maxpark.com/community/3782/content/2127878
      Debunking the Holodomor myth in Ukraine
      One of the main inventions of the last shit democrats is the Holodomor in Ukraine. They stress that the tragedy was not the result of hunger, which naturally arose as a result of poor productivity, etc., but that Stalin decided to destroy as many of them as possible from personal hatred of Ukrainians

      http://mbpolyakov.livejournal.com/520984.html
      That’s true. Yushchenko in order to appease Bandera simply needed an imaginary tragedy in which Russia was to blame, it was easier to take her to the west.
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 2 November 2013 14: 18
    23
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    .Russia and Ukraine are one state + Belarus = Rus. So it was and will be so.

    At the risk of incriminating Nazism, I quote Hitler

    “We are interested in these Russians or so-called Ukrainians didn't breed too much: after all, we intend to ensure that one day all these previously considered Russian lands were completely settled by the Germans. ”


    Crimea should be freed from all foreigners and settled by Germans. Old Austrian Galicia will also become the territory of the Reich.
    1. VADIMKRSK
      VADIMKRSK 2 November 2013 16: 51
      +2
      Do not forget...
  • ksan
    ksan 2 November 2013 22: 53
    +2
    Alexander Romanov (1) RU Today, 13: 08 ↑ New

    Quote: atalef
    Well look at things really

    I don't give a damn what is written in the papers. I don’t give a damn that some official in Russia believes that there is no nation
    Well, it’s you who bent Alexander smile Is there such officials in Russia who believe that there are no Russian nations ??? Strange I would know such freaks.
    Russia and Ukraine are one state + Belarus = Rus. So it was and will be so.
    Here I totally agree, just not today. Russia lost this battle, the integration of Ukraine into the Customs Union. I repeat the battle, not the war, we need to work more actively in the information space all the time, and not recently, because Yanukovych “pulled to the West” not yesterday, but almost immediately after the elections. Yes, and “to win back "towards the Customs Union, I think it will be possible by creating (helping to come to power) a pro-Russian" team "by 2015. And the economic situation in Ukraine, I think, will help in this. hi
  • Ustas
    Ustas 3 November 2013 13: 31
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Russia and Ukraine are one state + Belarus = Rus. So it was and will be so.

    After Ukraine joins the association with the European Union, we will consider the territory of Little Russia temporarily occupied, and the adherents of European integration, occupiers.
  • Gecko
    Gecko 2 November 2013 13: 46
    +4
    If at Brezhnev L.I. the passport states that he is Ukrainian, what is it about then?
  • 31231
    31231 2 November 2013 13: 57
    34
    What kind of disease do you have for Jews, divide countries into nationalities and exaggerate this issue? Then many representatives of Israel here divide Syria into Sunnis and other faiths. That is Ukraine for Ukrainians and Russians. Personally, in everyday life I do not define Ukrainian and Russian. For we are the same as siblings. It’s all outside trying to divide us.
    1. atalef
      atalef 2 November 2013 14: 04
      -36 qualifying.
      Quote: 31231
      What kind of disease do you have for Jews, divide countries by nationality and exaggerate this issue

      Smiled


      Quote: 31231
      ? Then many representatives of Israel here divide Syria into Sunnis and other faiths

      It is not we who share, it is a fact - whether you like it or not.

      Quote: 31231
      That is Ukraine for Ukrainians and Russians.

      Excuse me . and who does not live in Ukraine? Ukrainians or Russians. But Armenia does not need to be divided - there are only Armenians.

      Quote: 31231
      Personally, in everyday life I do not define Ukrainian and Russian. For we are the same as siblings. It’s all outside trying to divide us.
      1. 31231
        31231 2 November 2013 14: 43
        10
        Thanks for the demotivator picture. Only you need to show it here not to me, but to "Novaya Rus". wink She will appreciate it.
      2. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 14: 46
        +7
        about the picture ...
        indeed, we see it, and after all, the main thing is all TRUTH wink
        1. atalef
          atalef 2 November 2013 15: 50
          -3
          Quote: DanaF1
          31231 Today, 14:43 ↑ New
          Thanks for the demotivator picture. Only you need to show it here not to me, but to "Novaya Rus". She will appreciate it.
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            3  

          DanaF1 Today, 14:46 ↑ New
          about the picture ...
          indeed, we see it, and after all, the main thing is all TRUTH

          Well, talk to each other.
        2. Ustas
          Ustas 3 November 2013 13: 39
          +2
          Quote: DanaF1
          indeed, we see it, and after all, the main thing is all TRUTH

          No need to speak for everyone.
          And to be honest, this picture is offensive.
          Au moderators? I would have banned for the picture.
      3. poquello
        poquello 2 November 2013 15: 09
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: 31231
        What kind of disease do you have for Jews, divide countries by nationality and exaggerate this issue

        Smiled

        .
        Excuse me . and who does not live in Ukraine? Ukrainians or Russians. But Armenia does not need to be divided - there are only Armenians.

        So you will need and there you will find.
      4. evgeny1td
        evgeny1td 2 November 2013 15: 24
        +1
        cool card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      5. Vlad_Mir
        Vlad_Mir 2 November 2013 15: 38
        +2
        It is rather a view of the world of an inveterate Zionist. Only the country on the map is difficult to see, and there is as much shit as in Russia!
      6. alexander 2
        alexander 2 3 November 2013 01: 16
        +3
        Why didn’t he draw the Americans?
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 3 November 2013 01: 21
          +5
          Quote: Alexander 2
          Why didn’t he draw the Americans?


          What a real Jew would bite his own nursing hand at the moment. request
      7. Sour
        Sour 3 November 2013 18: 08
        +1
        The Russians see the world correctly ... I note with satisfaction. There are nuances and inaccuracies, as well as some generalizations, but in general it is correct.
        1. Rinat 1
          Rinat 1 6 November 2013 12: 09
          0
          And what is this correctness, there are no bad people, there are bad people. Like you, who imagine themselves to be super people, and the rest non-humans. Some such who imagined themselves superhuman have already lost in the Second World War.
    2. Altona
      Altona 2 November 2013 14: 42
      19
      The nobility as an estate has been destroyed for a long time ... What is the difference between everyday life in the Ukrainian or Russian village? Or maybe there are some class privileges in the Israeli kibbutz? We are all from plows, from peasants ... My grandfather was a blacksmith (or forged), old age was just a stable groom ... But we all measure our letters ... Of course, we need to graze cows in the Russian Non-Black Earth Region, and cultivate cultural black soil in Ukrainian plant growing ... And what? Ukrainian Mykole Oyropa will spit out a subsidy, what kind of thread is the Dutch Haglund? Aha. Wait !! Oyropa even gave the Baltic Janis nothing, and puffs on old Soviet Belarus ...
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 2 November 2013 18: 22
        +3
        Janis Oyropa pays extra to not plow, not to be her competitor. And the result is Mr.! (A week, how from there.)
        1. Altona
          Altona 2 November 2013 20: 06
          +4
          Why did the Janises go to Brussels on old tractors with protest? They said that the Young Essovites are not given a shit on subsidies, only the "oldies" ...
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 2 November 2013 19: 45
      +6
      Quote: 31231
      What kind of disease do you have for Jews, divide countries into nationalities and exaggerate this issue?

      It was the Jews who invented the Babylonian pandemonium; it was the Jews who invented divide and rule. It is the Jews who have been working on the fragmentation of peoples and countries on planet Earth for a thousand years - the period that the Slavs called the "Night of Svarog".
  • Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 14: 41
    13
    Well look at things really

    if you look at things realistically, then as soon as the issuance of passports begins, there will be Russian 80% wink
    we have already seen this on the example of Abkhazians and Ossetians ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 2 November 2013 15: 53
      0
      Quote: DanaF1
      if you look at things realistically, then as soon as the issuance of passports begins, there will be Russian 80%
      we have already seen this on the example of Abkhazians and Ossetians ...

      Yes, I only, for.
      I have, then my wife will have it (without any embassy troubles)
  • VADIMKRSK
    VADIMKRSK 2 November 2013 16: 12
    +5
    Some kind of unreal statistics ... Don't you think? There is a lie, there is a big lie, there are Ukrainian statistics.
  • elnicrui
    elnicrui 4 November 2013 12: 17
    0
    The column "nationality" was removed from passports. But, fortunately, the "Birth Certificate" remained, where the nationalities of the mother and father are indicated!
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 2 November 2013 14: 11
    15
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Now your post in Lviv will be replicated by thousands across the internet. Adding, here's a look at the imperial ambitions of the Russians.


    When they themselves have imperial ambitions, they cannot replicate anything other than Russophobia. Sasha! Here's another example in terms of neighing as you express yourself. The deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine from the Freedom party Anatoly Vitiv does not understand why Russian President Vladimir Putin and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church Kirill are going to Ukraine for a "foreign holiday" of the 1025th anniversary of the baptism of Rus. Vitiv's statement is quoted by the Svoboda press service, a REGNUM correspondent reports on 24 July.
    "When the Kiev prince Vladimir baptized Russia, bears roamed on the territory of present-day Moscow ... Therefore there can be no talk of any common spiritual heritage of the Ukrainian and Russian peoples.I would like to remind Vladimir Putin and Patriarch Kirill that Moscow was not even founded by Yuri Dolgoruky in 1147. This is a myth of the imperial agitprop, not supported by historical facts. Moscow as a settlement was founded in 1272 by order of the khan. This year, the third census of the population of the Golden Horde took place. During the first census (1237-1238) and the second (1254-1259), the settlement of Moscow was not mentioned, which means that it did not exist ... Muscovy, as a principality, arose in 1277 by order of the Tatar-Mongol khan Mengu-Timur and was common ulus of the Golden Horde. And the Moscow metropolitans received from the khans labels for the cathedra and privileges. Muscovy is the direct heir to the Golden Horde - the power of the Chingizids. The "godparents" of Moscow statehood were not Russia and not the Slavs, but the Tatar-Mongols

    These are the Ukrainians who rule Ukraine
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 2 November 2013 14: 15
      15
      Quote: Ascetic
      These are the Ukrainians who rule Ukraine

      And we "roll the barrel" to our history textbook ...
      Here are pearls worthy of admiration for a psychiatrist! laughing
      1. maxvet
        maxvet 3 November 2013 19: 58
        +1
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        And we "roll the barrel" to our history textbook ...
        Here are pearls worthy of admiration for a psychiatrist!

        and this is still modest, there are still protoukry
      2. In the book
        In the book 4 November 2013 11: 18
        +1
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        And we "roll the barrel" to our history textbook ...


        History is the science of how the past should have been.
        smile
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 14: 30
      +6
      Quote: Ascetic
      These are the Ukrainians who rule Ukraine

      And he himself did not participate in the census laughing Although the Greeks, too, from Ukrov went according to some Ukrainian historians.
      1. skeptic-
        skeptic- 2 November 2013 15: 40
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And he himself did not participate in the census. Although the Greeks also came from Ukrov from the words of some Ukrainian historians.


        Well then, let Bismarck be recorded as the founders of ukrov. I remember he said that the very name Ukrainians, he invented, to break the common roots of the Russian people. Here are just "I can not remember" in what century "Ukrainians" he created, and in what century RUSSIA appeared. I am afraid that those like the above, "historians" have erased the real HISTORY of RUSSIA for centuries.
    3. poquello
      poquello 2 November 2013 15: 21
      +5
      Quote: Ascetic

      "When the Kiev prince Vladimir baptized Russia, bears roamed on the territory of present-day Moscow ... Therefore there can be no talk of any common spiritual heritage of the Ukrainian and Russian peoples.I would like to remind Vladimir Putin and Patriarch Kirill that Moscow was not even founded by Yuri Dolgoruky in 1147. This is a myth of the imperial agitprop, not supported by historical facts. Moscow as a settlement was founded in 1272 by order of the khan. This year, the third census of the population of the Golden Horde took place. During the first census (1237-1238) and the second (1254-1259), the settlement of Moscow was not mentioned, which means that it did not exist ... Muscovy, as a principality, arose in 1277 by order of the Tatar-Mongol khan Mengu-Timur and was common ulus of the Golden Horde. And the Moscow metropolitans received from the khans labels for the cathedra and privileges. Muscovy is the direct heir to the Golden Horde - the power of the Chingizids. The "godparents" of Moscow statehood were not Russia and not the Slavs, but the Tatar-Mongols

      These are the Ukrainians who rule Ukraine

      They do not accidentally claim Novgorod?
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 2 November 2013 15: 39
        +4
        Quote: poquello
        They do not accidentally claim Novgorod?


        ABOUT!!!! Wide and unlimited flight we are ..........!
        Not only!!!

        Gray Klin (Ukrainian. Siri Klin) or Gray Ukraine (Ukrainian. Seri Ukraina), from the late XIX — early XX centuries. - the unofficial name of the region of compact residence of Ukrainians in South-Western Siberia and Northern Kazakhstan with a total area of ​​460 thousand km². From the end of the XNUMXth — beginning of the XNUMXth centuries part of the Siberian region, Ukrainian immigrants called the Gray Wedge or Gray Ukraine. Omsk is considered the center of Ukrainian life of the Gray Klin. Gray Klin is the name of the space covering the former Steppe region, that is, modern northern Kazakhstan, the south of Omsk region, the Baraba steppe in the Novosibirsk region, the Kulunda steppe - partly in Novosibirsk and partly in the Altai region, and some other areas of Altai.
        Green Wedge or Zakitayschina (Ukrainian. Zeleniy Klin, Zakitayschina) is the historical Ukrainian name for the southern territory of the Far East of the Russian Empire and the Russian Federation (Amur Region, Trans-Baikal Territory, Primorsky Territory, Sakhalin Region and Khabarovsk Territory), sometimes still used in documents of Russian associations of Ukrainians (for example, "Ukrainians of the Green Wedge ...").
        Raspberry Wedge (Ukrainian. Raspberry Wedge) - the unofficial name of the region of compact residence of Ukrainians in the Kuban.
        Yellow Wedge (Ukrainian. Zhovty Klin) - historical and cultural region of the Cossack-Ukrainian colonization in the region of forest-steppes (where the yellow metaphor comes from) of the Lower Volga region.
        Rostov on the Don, Voronezh, Belgorod, Kursk, even the Urals and the Moscow Region are also some kind of ridiculous wedges in the brains of Svidomites.

        One thing pleases - ukrofyurers all lower rank and they fly thinner.
    4. ksan
      ksan 2 November 2013 23: 26
      +3
      These are the Ukrainians who rule Ukraine
      This is "pearl". Yes, Zhirinovsky is just "resting". belay
    5. Cynic
      Cynic 4 November 2013 12: 27
      0
      Quote: Ascetic
      Muscovy is the direct heiress of the Golden Horde - the power of Genghisides.

      Type humiliated, YES?
      Such gentlemen are simply marvelous at not considering the consequences of their statements!
      Here is some sort of cross-border GDP decides to follow in line with Russia the heiress of the Golden Horde!
      Ponder these words! After all, the Golden Horde is part of the Mongol Empire! And it turns out Russia is the heiress / assignee of the Mongol Empire ?!
      The consequences of this course are more than extraordinary!
  • Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 14: 36
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov

    Now your post in Lviv will be replicated by thousands across the internet. Adding, here's a look at the imperial ambitions of the Russians.

    Alexander, honestly, are you worried about what is being circulated in Lviv?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 15: 42
      +3
      Quote: DanaF1
      Alexander, honestly, are you worried about what is being circulated in Lviv?

      Yes spit
      1. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 15: 54
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: DanaF1
        Alexander, honestly, are you worried about what is being circulated in Lviv?

        Yes spit

        I thought so laughing
  • Simon
    Simon 2 November 2013 20: 40
    +1
    And let Lviv drool out, and normal people will appreciate.
  • washi
    washi 2 November 2013 12: 33
    -7
    Quote: Civil
    1. Start distributing Russian passports in the Crimea and eastern regions.
    2. Organize a clear Russian diaspora in Ukraine.
    3. Provide clear territorial requirements.
    4. No Anschluss, only a section.

    Stupid.
    How can I organize a Russian diaspora among Russians, albeit with a different dialect (you still have not heard the local dialect in Vologda or Siberian villages)
    How to divide our territory. Let’s better divide Moscow (there, according to TV, everything is divided between the Caucasus and Central Asian diasporas).
    Why give out passports of the Russian Federation, if EVERYONE who wanted to have already received them.
  • atalef
    atalef 2 November 2013 12: 53
    -4
    Quote: Civil
    1. Start distributing Russian passports in the Crimea and eastern regions.
    2. Organize a clear Russian diaspora in Ukraine.
    3. Provide clear territorial requirements.
    4. No Anschluss, only a section.

    Is it like it was in South Ossetia and Abkhazia?
    It will not work, and you already understand that.
  • Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 14: 34
    +9
    Quote: Civil

    3. Provide clear territorial requirements.

    Under the USSR, Sevastopol was generally a city of federal subordination, like Moscow and Leningrad ...
    so how did he end up in Ukraine?
    this is generally a misunderstanding ... Sevastopol Khrushchev did not give them ...
    but EBN in some unknown way, he was part of the outskirts ...
  • Motors1991
    Motors1991 2 November 2013 18: 08
    16
    What kind of Crimea are you writing for, come from Ukraine and try to obtain Russian citizenship, even if you were born in Russia, your parents live here, it’s only in due time that you went to Ukraine. Any monkey from Asia please do not question, but There is no way for the Russians. Honestly, Putin’s policy towards Ukraine always surprised me, at first I did everything so that the prisoner came to power. When Yanukovych did not live up to his expectations, he began to pursue a thoughtless anti-Ukrainian policy. In essence, today Russia has no pro-Russian power in Ukraine , there is no intelligible policy, the bets are made on some random people, like Medvedchuk, who was a proponent ten years ago, arranged for Kuchma a visit to the NATO summit in Budapest, now the grandmothers paid became pro-Russian, tomorrow someone else will outbid change his mind again .All of these endless trade wars strike primarily at the pro-Russian Southeast, as a result of the will of the people voluntarily intensifying their aspirations to the West. howling crazy politics, Russia is slowly but steadily losing its supporters in Ukraine.
    1. 31231
      31231 2 November 2013 19: 21
      -4
      Quote: Motors1991
      Any monkey from Asia please is not a question, but there is no Russian move. Honestly, Putin’s policy towards Ukraine always surprised me, at first I did everything so that the prisoner came to power.

      What's the problem?! A Caucasian or a Central Asian can give a bribe to IFMS, but you can’t ?! My friend on construction sites has long fallen from Ivano-Frankivsk and received Russian citizenship. She has housing in Krasnodar.
      Whoever wants Russian citizenship simply gets it. And those who do not want him are happy that "Putin is to blame!"

      With its insane policy, Russia is slowly but steadily losing its supporters in Ukraine.


      Ktozh lingered on, that in all the troubles you have to blame for the brain. You are saints.
      1. Motors1991
        Motors1991 2 November 2013 20: 06
        +3
        Well, explain why there is no pro-Russian party in Ukraine, but what was created to cut grandmothers. And again, by the way, without Putin’s support, Yanukovych would never have become president. In 2004, Lukashenko alone told Kuchma in the presence of Putin and Yanukovich: , What are you doing here in Ukraine except this recidivist you could not find anyone, And as for the bribes, I know without you, only a normal state cannot be built on them.
        1. 31231
          31231 2 November 2013 22: 49
          +3
          I can not find a link to the analysis of gas tera. But the point is that Ukraine received gas for gas transportation services at a price of $ 50 per thousand cubic meters. At the same time, in Europe, prices were about 200 bucks. What she chose outside of payment for transit often often simply changed in payment, until ultimatums on the disconnection of Europe. At the same time, the payment for transit was 1 bucks per 100 km. Then came Yanyk raised the transit fee to 2 bucks with a tail. Accordingly, ours was not slow to raise the price to more than 400 bucks. At the same time, Ukraine’s chosen gas for transit still cost 50 bucks.
          In the last 2 years, Yanyk went even further. Transit fees increased above the European average by 20-30%. True, it is worth noting that the agreement on preferential gas for payments for transit has ceased to be valid.
          These are we "misers".
          As a result of the arrogant behavior of your authorities, the Nord Stream appeared and the South Stream appears.
        2. 31231
          31231 2 November 2013 23: 11
          0
          Found a link with the analysis. I will save it for myself. And then there will be many such offended and naive here from Ukraine.
          http://voprosik.net/ukraina-i-gaz-podrobno/
        3. ksan
          ksan 2 November 2013 23: 45
          +2
          Well, explain why there is no pro-Russian party in Ukraine, and what is created to cut grandmothers. And again, by the way, without Putin’s support, Yanukovych would never have become president.
          I only agree that without the support of Moscow, Yanukovych would hardly have come to power. But he came and the PR was just on the slogans for an alliance with Russia and not with the West. And then he threw Moscow, why "another question".
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  • EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 2 November 2013 19: 53
    0
    A very sound idea, I'm afraid it’s too late.
  • onegin61
    onegin61 2 November 2013 20: 53
    +1
    I need to give am a chance to improve.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 4 November 2013 18: 54
      +1
      Quote: Onegin61
      differently tricky

      These same people will not understand for any, they benefit from any situations!
  • elnicrui
    elnicrui 4 November 2013 14: 34
    +2
    I support !!! who will hear?
  • edge
    edge 2 November 2013 11: 15
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    and Ukraine ............. you need to think with your head, not ZhO **

    and if besides ........... there is nothing left?
    1. Viktor1
      Viktor1 2 November 2013 12: 39
      16
      Do not generalize Ukraine and Ukrainian politicians, these are TWO BIG differences.
      1. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 14: 51
        -3
        Quote: Viktor1
        Do not generalize Ukraine and Ukrainian politicians, these are TWO BIG differences.

        oh but this is not necessary ...
        who voted for them?

        It's like in the West they say that Russians individually are generally good people, but with a "slave psychology" and the government they were not lucky ...

        what they deserved, they got it ...
        1. Korben
          Korben 2 November 2013 17: 30
          +6
          And how do you listen to and count the voice of the people in the elections? Do you really think you can influence the system? The same thing happens in Ukraine!
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 18: 04
            +2
            Quote: Korben
            And how do you listen to and count the voice of the people in the elections? Do you really think you can influence the system? The same thing happens in Ukraine!

            we normally listen and consider ...
            or do you think that GDP did not win the election?
  • Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 2 November 2013 12: 22
    26
    I work on construction in Moscow, communicate with ordinary Ukrainians workers. Everyone understands that the country will be shitty, but hopes that he will then heal normally - he will go to Europe, he will lay a brick and earn good money.
    I think that only harsh reality can bring such people back to their minds. Therefore, we do not interfere. The head-on-the-table learning method is very effective. They will receive it, then we will help.
    If they come back.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 12: 31
      +4
      Quote: armored optimist
      I think that only harsh reality can return such things to their minds.

      No, until they return. Now it will be shitty, they will say that it would be good, you need to join the EU. They will say such a thing on all channels and again half will believe that yes, it is necessary in the EU. If a person is for life!
    2. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 14: 53
      +2
      Quote: armored optimist
      The "head-on-the-table" learning method is very effective.

      Unfortunately, our Western partners, using the example of their colonies, understood this much earlier than we ...
      1. In the reeds
        In the reeds 2 November 2013 17: 43
        0
        The poem they have no more colonies ...
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 18: 05
          +3
          Quote: In the reeds
          The poem they have no more colonies ...

          it only seems so to you ...
          1. In the reeds
            In the reeds 3 November 2013 13: 39
            +1
            Colonial empires created over the centuries, at the cost of incredible efforts and sacrifices of their own population, at the peak of their greatness ... Suddenly blown away. Did the British lack money and ships? Africa was divided in a hurry under the "ruler", the meridians are curved, into countries and continents, for what? France, England and others like them renounced the colonies, like the priest from Satan. ... To preserve their METROPOLIES. So that half of India does not move to England for permanent residence, where she would have ... a badger. Does Russia understand this?
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 3 November 2013 13: 49
              +1
              very good ... history "5" ...
              and now a bit of political economy:
              Panama, Paraguay, Chile - US colonies;
              Japan - the semicolony of the USA;
              Poland, Baltic tigers - US colonies;
              maghrib - colonies of France (de facto);
              Emirates and Saudis - colonies of the USA and England ...
              our Asian republics are colonies of Russia (whatever they think about themselves there, it is) ...
              1. In the reeds
                In the reeds 3 November 2013 14: 46
                0
                These are not colonies, this is due to mutually incompletely formulated relations between two, three, or more states, where, due to the collapse of the colony, a vacuum has formed as such. Difficult thing, but it must be solved. "Colony" where people could move freely within the borders of the empire
                1. Danafxnumx
                  Danafxnumx 3 November 2013 15: 46
                  0
                  colony, in fact - a vassal ...
                  economic, political and administrative vassal ...
        2. ksan
          ksan 2 November 2013 23: 35
          +3
          In the reeds of IL Today, 17:43 ↑

          The poem they have no more colonies ...
          Some colonies only ceased to be called such, remaining essentially the same.
    3. Altona
      Altona 2 November 2013 15: 48
      +8
      Croats and Albanians have already laid brick there, and for a long time ... I think that there will be new dismantlers there, but not earnings ...
  • atalef
    atalef 2 November 2013 12: 47
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And anyway, what Putin yelling, what's the point in screaming.

    Hi Sasha. Yes, they pulled away already. There were enough statements and GDP and DAM, and in general everything was watered. spectrum of Russia. stopped yelling, nen would say. Well, the GDP (he knows best what and how) is to shout, and if it doesn’t work out according to your opinion, it’s better to maintain endurance than to convulse and yell. I think it’s too late with Ukraine, in November it will sign, and will go its own way. Who was right --- time will tell, now no one knows. Of course, Russia missed Ukraine. but sorry, you remember, maybe even 2 years ago they wrote a lot. Even now, gas preferences should be given, 2 years ago it was necessary.
    it's like in a famous video
    1. 31231
      31231 2 November 2013 14: 02
      +6
      Even now, gas preferences should be given, 2 years ago it was necessary.

      Do you know the gas aspects badly ?! Gas preferences for Ukraine went all the 90s and 2000s. Something has changed ?! Their power, as it was inadequate and arrogantly independent, remained.
      The people then essentially do not give a damn about these princes' ambitions. Live under Putin or under Yanukovych.
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 November 2013 14: 14
        -8
        Quote: 31231
        Do you know the gas aspects badly ?! Gas preferences for Ukraine went all the 90s and 2000s. Has something changed?

        Probably nothing, so everything was in order with Ukraine, Kuchma and so on. Suddenly Yushchenko and Yanukovych came - prices are 2 times higher than in Germany. And do not tell tales. In my opinion, everyone knows the story of gas for Ukraine. And I'm not going to look for who is to blame more or less. If the brothers - so who wanted to fuck whom more? Russia to Ukraine or vice versa? Why is it generally cheaper for Ukraine to buy gas by reverse from Europe?

        Quote: 31231
        Their power, as it was inadequate and arrogantly independent, remained.

        Well no . I think somehow Russia wanted to see in Ukraine a younger, obedient brother


        Quote: 31231
        The people then essentially do not give a damn about these princes' ambitions. Live under Putin or under Yanukovych

        Strange But they chose Yanukovych.
        In general, all the relatives of my wife (she is Ukrainian and she has no Jewish roots. And it’s useless to look), so no one wants to in the TS and most of all because of offense against Russia (these are not my words) You are offended by Ukraine, they are against you, why don’t you figure it out? Brothers.
        1. 31231
          31231 2 November 2013 14: 51
          +7
          Probably nothing, so everything was in order with Ukraine, Kuchma and so on. Suddenly Yushchenko and Yanukovych came - prices are 2 times higher than in Germany. And do not tell tales. In my opinion, everyone knows the story of gas for Ukraine. And I'm not going to look for who is to blame more or less. If the brothers - so who wanted to fuck whom more? Russia to Ukraine or vice versa? Why is it generally cheaper for Ukraine to buy gas by reverse from Europe?


          You should at least have studied the issue of gas "teers".
          How Ukraine took gas at $ 50 for gas transportation to Europe. Moreover, gas in Europe then cost about $ 200. And for the one that I bought at European prices, I often did not pay it, but sculpted pieces of paper on debt restructuring.
          As Russia does not help, all the same the oaths of the brain are to blame. The only time Ukraine can understand something is when Gazprom ceases to depend on its gas transmission system. And then she will begin the current experience of the Pro-Baltics.
          1. atalef
            atalef 2 November 2013 15: 59
            -2
            Quote: 31231
            You should at least have studied the issue of gas "teers".
            How Ukraine took gas at $ 50 for gas transportation to Europe. Moreover, gas in Europe then cost about $ 200. And for the one that I bought at European prices, I often did not pay it, but sculpted pieces of paper on debt restructuring.

            You probably can't read? what did i write?

            Quote: atalef
            And I'm not going to look for who is to blame more or less. If the brothers - so who wanted to fuck whom more? Russia to Ukraine or vice versa? Why is it generally cheaper for Ukraine to buy gas by reverse from Europe?

            Read carefully. My question is why did it even come to this mess.

            Quote: 31231
            As Russia does not help, all the same the oaths of the brain are to blame. The only time Ukraine can understand something is when Gazprom ceases to depend on its gas transmission system.

            So if she was deceiving Russia all the time. maybe then let yourself go? Cho upset. they do not steal in the family. and thieves have always been driven from families. You mean that?
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 2 November 2013 19: 59
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              Read carefully. My question is why did it even come to this mess.

              Corrupt influence of the West. All because of the love of the Jews to fish in troubled waters.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 14: 33
      +7
      Quote: atalef
      I think it’s too late with Ukraine, in November it will sign, and will go its own way.

      Where to go laughing They do not enter the EU. There is no way, even though you crack wassat Whether they sign it or not, it’s written with a pitchfork on water.
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 November 2013 16: 04
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Where they will go They do not join the EU. There is no way, though you crack Sign or not, it is written with a pitchfork on water. Early bury

        Come on Sanya, well, whom am I burying. I don’t care where Ukraine will be, even in the CU, even in the EU, even in the association with the Papuans. All the same, I will go there without a visa and my wife’s relatives will remain the same wonderful people. With, without or contrary to where Ukraine will go. You understand, it’s really all the same for me and I’m not campaigning either way. I write solely the opinions that I heard when I was in Ukraine (therefore, you can attribute all the minuses to the wife’s relatives, the Jew, as always, gets ... ears on his ears). I do not care. my whole question is one thing, as politicians on both sides have brought it to this. Tango, it is dancing together. not only Ukraine is to blame.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 2 November 2013 14: 37
      +8
      Quote: atalef
      . I think it’s too late with Ukraine, in November it will sign, and will go its own way.


      Yes, such countries do not have their own way. Or act as a united front with Europe against Russia or with Russia against Europe. There is no other way.
      The interests of Europe in Ukraine were largely associated with the Ukrainian pipe. Now that there is a South Stream, Europe itself doesn’t need Ukraine. The Americans need it as an anti-Russian bridgehead. So they have bent both Europe and Ukraine of this FTZ. This is a return to Putin for Syria and for pressing the Rothschilds and attacking their protege Voloshin with Karimov’s hands of Lukashenko. No coincidence all of a sudden from Snow went german revelationsAmerican intelligence agencies, just Germany least of all wants to see Ukraine in the EU.
      Another point is also interesting: earlier, the Bulgarians refused to build Belene NPP near the Romanian border. The reason was pressure from the United States, because American electricity generating companies operate in Bulgaria. Washington's pressure was the defense of American business. Now, as we see, Russia is beginning to regain its previously lost positions. It is vital for the Americans to tear Ukraine away in terms of weakening Russia's influence in Europe.
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 November 2013 16: 09
        -6
        Quote: Ascetic
        Yes, such countries do not have their own way. Or act as a united front with Europe against Russia or with Russia against Europe.

        Tell me, is Germany against Russia? So it seems to be in Europe, but Italy, Greece, Spain. Holland --- who exactly? Name the country.


        Quote: Ascetic
        So they have bent both Europe and Ukraine of this FTZ. This is a return to Putin for Syria and for pressing the Rothschilds and attacking their protege Voloshin with Karimov’s hands of Lukashenko.

        Perhaps for all this Ukraine is not enough. probably soon Belarus will be torn off. laughing

        Quote: Ascetic
        It is no coincidence that German revelations of the American special services went from Snow; it was Germany that least of all wanted to see Ukraine in the EU.

        So is Ukraine listening?

        Quote: Ascetic
        Now, as we see, Russia is beginning to regain its previously lost positions. It is vital for the Americans to tear Ukraine away in terms of strengthening Russia's influence in Europe.

        So in the EU, Americans rule? I didn’t know, then for sure, well ... pa.
        1. ksan
          ksan 3 November 2013 00: 34
          +5
          atalef (3) IL Today, 16: 09 ↑

          Quote: Ascetic
          Yes, such countries do not have their own way. Or act as a united front with Europe against Russia or with Russia against Europe.

          Tell me, is Germany against Russia? So it seems to be in Europe, but Italy, Greece, Spain. Holland --- who exactly? Name the country.
          Any country importing into Russia, almost the entire EU, is against strengthening Russia as economically independent of imports. wink
          So in the EU, Americans rule? I didn’t know, then for sure, well ... pa.
          They rule, they do not rule, and they have a very strong influence. Or will you argue that the State Department is not being heeded in Europe and Israel? hi
  • skeptic-
    skeptic- 2 November 2013 15: 12
    +6
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    and Ukraine ............. you need to think with your head, not ZhO **!


    Как JO ** not to think if they are going to go to the Gay Europeans. Why the US is pushing is also understandable - in "Swedish family ties", it is easier to work out "controlled chaos" in the country of the Slavs, who are very close in mentality to the Russians. Who said that the United States renounced the collapse and enslavement of Russia?

    Well, Putin can only show "disinterest", until the time of rampant "controlled chaos" in Ukraine, and then, at least partially, save the eastern regions from complete collapse. More or less like this request
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 2 November 2013 16: 14
      16
      Quote: skeptic
      Putin can only show "disinterest", until the time of rampant "controlled chaos" in Ukraine, and then, at least partially, save the eastern regions from complete collapse. More or less like this


      Putin is doing everything right - he hits the pain points of the Ukrainian authorities and not the people, because they are these authorities and are the main beneficiaries of the desired accession to the EU. They pull money from a bloodless state it became such thanks to them. And not thanks to the "non-brotherly policy of Russia." Russia is now going to excommunicate Ukraine from Russian preferences, which will significantly worsen the country's economic situation. And that means the position of the dominant comprador elite. They say that this is done in spite of the fraternal Ukrainian people. They forget at the same time that you have to pay for everything and the gifts are over. Putin said more than once that “Ukraine’s entry into the EU is not our business at all”. Return the pennies and go wherever you wish. Now no preferences and everything is according to the contract. Svidomity argue that in this way, Putin seeks to make Ukraine a part of Russia. This is a blatant lie.. For Putin least of all smiles the need to pay off the debts of the Ukrainian authorities in the event of Ukraine’s accession. As he said on another occasion -"little wool and a lot of screeching" You do not need to invent anything for this, Ukraine is a separate country. If the economic situation turns into a comic (worsens), then the authorities will have to find a common language with their own people, which, with such humor, may not understand and will take up the pitchfork. So what? Will Putin be guilty again? Therefore, the position is clear, more than once voiced - You will not be forcibly sweet. And who said that all sorts of barroses, rompeys, sharpei, and even gays there will be able to cope with Ukraine and win the game against Putin, finally turning it into another Russophobian appendage of geyropa? As soon as this stage of the confrontation is over (it does not matter whether they sign the association agreement or not), the second stage, called What, son, help you your Poles? .That then the initiative will already be in the hands of Putin.
      1. Motors1991
        Motors1991 2 November 2013 19: 46
        +1
        It’s not painful for the rulers when their hair is pulled out of the heads of their subjects. Frederick the Great. And still answer the question: Why is gas passing through Ukraine to Slovakia, Hungary, the Czech Republic cheaper than in Ukraine? The biggest problem in Ukraine is its leadership, therefore Moscow has chances and good ones to win back the situation, only it is necessary not to move your hands, but to move your brains.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 2 November 2013 19: 49
          +5
          Quote: Motors1991
          Question: Why is gas passed through Ukraine to Slovakia, Hungary, the Czech Republic cheaper than in Ukraine?

          No need to steal!
          1. Motors1991
            Motors1991 2 November 2013 19: 54
            +1
            By the way, the Network Chamber of Russia did not find any theft of gas, only it reports very quietly, and what the matter of, theft, has to do with the price. You did not answer the question.
            1. Motors1991
              Motors1991 2 November 2013 19: 57
              0
              Accounts Chamber of Russia
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 2 November 2013 20: 19
                0
                Quote: Motors1991
                Accounts Chamber of Russia

                Yes, our people, let's get counted. wink
            2. Cynic
              Cynic 2 November 2013 20: 14
              +2
              Quote: Motors1991
              The Accounts Chamber of Russia has not found any theft of gas

              Yeah, this is now tolerantly called _ Unauthorized gas extraction.
              Quote: Motors1991
              what business ,, theft ,, has to the price.

              Direct. The average price of purchased plus unauthorized gas is somewhere close to normal. But this is just my personal opinion.
              Moreover, the price still rises with the unreliability of the partner. Implicit insurance.
              By the way, if I’m not mistaken, should Ukraine again this year?
              Yes, and unauthorized insurance went reinforced.
              Ukraine will receive Russian gas through another reverse flow from the European Union - through Slovakia

              http://economics.mirnews.ru/news_835740.html
        2. 31231
          31231 2 November 2013 20: 19
          0
          Have you looked at gas deals? Well, learn it. Learn a simple question: the cost of gas transit through Ukraine for Russia. Maybe then you will understand why gas is not so expensive for transit.
          1. Motors1991
            Motors1991 2 November 2013 21: 07
            +1
            That's just the thing, gas is transported and stored in underground gas storage facilities at Ukrainian prices, and purchased at world prices. There are leverage, but our leadership for some reason does not use it, on the other hand, Yanukovych made a demarche with the signing of an association with the EU and persuades, agree not logically they don’t use real levers, they just bluff, I bet there will be no signing with the EU, it’s a smoke screen, Putin knows this, that's why he’s calm. There’s just a fuss and trading for pieces of bread,,
        3. ksan
          ksan 3 November 2013 00: 42
          +2
          Motors1991 UA Yesterday, 19:46 ↑

          It’s not painful for the rulers when their hair is torn from the heads of their subjects. Frederick the Great. And still answer the question: Why is gas passed through Ukraine to Slovakia, Hungary, the Czech Republic cheaper than in Ukraine?
          Who told you that ??? Ukrainian media ?? You will take an interest in the terms of gas contracts, read not political articles but comments from business circles in independent sources.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 2 November 2013 19: 20
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And the fact that the daily reports on the news on Ukraine is what?

    Everything is clear with the media, the West is worried that Russia is reacting "incorrectly".
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    The author is talking about what generally invites Ukraine to the EU, and no one.

    Russia's intentions are clear. The faster Ukraine "makes friends" with Europe, the faster the economy will sag, the faster the "return of the prodigal son" (daughter) will take place.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 4 November 2013 12: 17
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    No information campaign of Moscow on “holding Ukraine” is also observed,
    And the fact that the daily reports on the news on Ukraine is what?


    It's like with a stubborn girl who lies in the hayloft, but does not. You just need to silently listen to everything that she says and agree, and in the meantime calmly remove from her everything that is left and put in position ...
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 4 November 2013 12: 34
      -1
      Quote: Geisenberg
      It's like a stubborn girl

      Classic
      Do not ever persuade or force. It’s better to wait 5 minutes than to beg all night

      wink
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 4 November 2013 14: 29
    +1
    And no one is going to accept Ukraine into the European Union. This is a free trade zone
  • GSH-18
    GSH-18 7 November 2013 11: 08
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    The author speaks about what generally invites Ukraine to the EU, but no one

    Their Pshek with the Baltic states (seem) were talking about subscribing to an association with the EU, which (like) will serve as a pass to the EU and NATO itself! Aesthetically pshek sent Amers. am
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 2 November 2013 09: 16
    +8
    MIKHAN SU TODAY, 08: 41 New
    I already wrote in the previous article .. This is a lot of running combination clearly! Ukraine at the very last moment will throw the EU and this whole gop company ..

    Ukraine will throw the EU? Are you serious? Whose combination is it?
    400 million bucks of the RF Ministry of Defense, how did Tymoshenko turn out to be? For a long time it was ... Nobody already remembers. what
    It is believed that our leadership is pushing Ukraine into the EU, not on TV, but really. Somewhere in Galkovsky is on this topic.
    http://galkovsky.livejournal.com/42548.html
    But who is pushing our leadership is already a more serious question ...
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 2 November 2013 10: 15
      +3
      This is my opinion .. And here money plays a last role! As they say avaricious pays twice ..
    2. 31231
      31231 2 November 2013 14: 05
      +2
      Quote: shpuntik
      It is believed that our leadership is pushing Ukraine into the EU, not on TV, but really. Somewhere in Galkovsky is on this topic.



      Shaw again, brain damnation is to blame ?!
      But it’s understandable, because dancers need to blame someone.

      Here are just Belarusians and Kazakhs, we are still brothers and friends.
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 4 November 2013 16: 53
        -2
        31231 RU November 2, 2013 14:05 ↑
        Shaw again, brain damnation is to blame ?!

        What? Whom did you call your brains ?!


        At choice, tszt. hi
        http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/2763549/post291433404/
        http://baikal24.ru/page.php?action=showItem&type=hot&id=115
        http://www.mignews.com/news/interview/cis/120306_105944_71317.html
        http://lebed.com/2006/art4517.htm
        http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/3937081/post228740516/
        1. 31231
          31231 4 November 2013 18: 16
          +1
          Your video is captioned "Putin is crying at the Wailing Wall."
          1. I did not see his tears there. Can you show me where he is "crying"?
          2. What Israel and its inhabitants are not some people that Putin should not communicate with them?
          Personally, I consider Jews to be the same people as everyone else. They just have their own troubles.
          3. You have submitted links. Do you have anything more serious? From the site of the TFR, you can RIA Novosti, the site of the RF Ministry of Defense. By the way, like most of today's journalists, they are populists and PR people who do not care about the limits of decency and the truth of the cases they are monitoring. Mother is ready to sell for the sake of "fried".
          1. shpuntik
            shpuntik 4 November 2013 19: 19
            0
            Lieutenant general
            31231 RU Today, 18:16 ↑ New
            Your video is captioned "Putin is crying at the Wailing Wall."
            1. I did not see his tears there. Can you show me where he is "crying"?

            1) What does crying or smiling have to do with it ??? I responded to your comment about "brains".
            And that the Jews are not people, no one said. request What meaning did you put into the phrase "what, they were again guilty!"
            2) TFR, RIA News? Are you serious? wassat
            Can you show it on Channel One? fellow You read what it is about?
            1. 31231
              31231 4 November 2013 21: 02
              +1
              Do you yourself carefully read your links ?!
              Deripaska allegedly gave an interview to a certain VIP-bulletin "Time of Eurasia", where he allegedly stated that Putin was his personal friend. It immediately disappeared from the pages of this online publication.
              Do not tell me why?
              1. shpuntik
                shpuntik 5 November 2013 00: 12
                0
                Lieutenant general
                31231 RU Today, 21:02 ↑
                Do you yourself carefully read your links ?!

                And what is the actual carelessness in the fact that the interview from the site has disappeared? So the bulletin itself disappeared, so what? Regarding the "smotrin" of the GDP, there are other statements, spoil this topic, do not be lazy.
                Do not tell me why?

                I will do this work for you, just ask. fellow Please:
                "Later, one of the authors of the sensational interview, economist and political scientist, who was in 2006 the president of the international fund" Time of Eurasia ", Nikolai Asmolov, while already abroad, said that after the scandalous text was leaked to the world network, the fund, which, according to him, financed Deripaska's structures, was closed, and the editorial board of the bulletin was disbanded. "

                http://www.rv.ru/content.php3?id=9126
    3. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 14: 59
      +1
      Quote: shpuntik
      MIKHAN SU TODAY, 08: 41 New
      I already wrote in the previous article .. This is a lot of running combination clearly! Ukraine at the very last moment will throw the EU and this whole gop company ..

      Ukraine will throw the EU? Are you serious? Whose combination is it?
      400 million bucks of the RF Ministry of Defense, how did Tymoshenko turn out to be? For a long time it was ... Nobody already remembers. what
      It is believed that our leadership is pushing Ukraine into the EU, not on TV, but really. Somewhere in Galkovsky is on this topic.
      http://galkovsky.livejournal.com/42548.html
      But who is pushing our leadership is already a more serious question ...

      what for?
      Before speaking heresy, you need to understand why something is being done ...
      to me personally, it’s not clear what benefit we can get from Ukraine in the EU and NATO ...
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 2 November 2013 19: 51
        +2
        [Quote] DanaF1 RU Today, 14:59 ↑ New
        what for?
        Before speaking heresy, you need to understand why something is being done ...
        [/ Quote]
        Heresy is a departure from the dogmas of the church of Christ. What are your dogmas, I don’t know: Soviet or post-Soviet? How old are you, Olga? By the way, and what brought you to the men's club? Well, this is a private matter, you can not answer.
        So, about dogmas and advertising. How much does the advertisement match with what it advertises? Reality is always embellished, isn't it? And, there is also a mossy deception. How do you look at the Soviet period, when everything was in posters, in red calico, for example: "The party is mind, honor, conscience of our era!" Whose era?


        [Quote]to me personally, it’s not clear what benefit we can get from Ukraine in the EU and NATO ...[Quote]
        To you personally and to me, most likely none. Although the standard of living there is higher (material). But those who make money under any government need this integration, they are hindered by national borders. Zhirinovsky said more than once, we will be with Europe, this is the goal of transformations. "Police-Police": not talking about anything? And there are such examples of darkness, for example, such inconspicuous ones as the storage of state. personal data on servers in Germany. Ask about a single citizen card.

        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 20: 37
          -2
          Roman, I answered you in PM ...
          for the future, learn to express your thoughts logically ...
          1. shpuntik
            shpuntik 3 November 2013 00: 40
            +1
            DanaF1 RU Yesterday, 20:37 ↑ New
            Roman, I answered you in PM ...
            for the future, learn to express your thoughts logically ...

            wassat Rzhu, Nimagu laughing Teach me to express thoughts ?? Unclear? Chew or what?
            Learn dialogue, not logic. Is there a specific question on the video?
            Grab on the fly, if not clear, ask; I’m not letting a woman talk to me like that, sorry Olga.
            Do you even know that you are aiming at an interlocutor with a pistol? FSO, the protection of Gaddafi? laughing
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 3 November 2013 02: 07
              +3
              and what, let you have already grown?
              in general, stop being rude to me!
              1. shpuntik
                shpuntik 3 November 2013 02: 53
                +2
                DanaF1 RU Today, 02:07 ↑ New
                and what, let you have already grown?
                in general, stop being rude to me!

                Grew up a long time ago, already beginning to dry out. Not hamly soldier , reflect the attack.
                Here, on the topic of logic, do not insert in PM love :
                1. Danafxnumx
                  Danafxnumx 3 November 2013 13: 51
                  -3
                  that is, except for the link from youtube, were you missing anything else?
                  I'm still waiting for scientific confirmation ...
                  1. shpuntik
                    shpuntik 3 November 2013 22: 59
                    +2
                    DanaF1 RU Today, 13:51 ↑ New
                    that is, except for the link from youtube, were you missing anything else?
                    I'm still waiting for scientific confirmation ...

                    request There is no such Olga. Precise science is powerless lolif only psychology.
                    Here, he sets out well:
          2. In the reeds
            In the reeds 4 November 2013 17: 42
            0
            Olya, Europe, if it does not recover, it is dead ... So Rome ended. You are not threatened by anything from the west, they are mostly impotent piles. You need to turn the spears to the east, there is danger. And Ukraine should be among others not to resist you
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 7 November 2013 11: 40
          0
          Regarding the video with Zhirinovsky in the Council of Europe:
          Well, what can I say? .. Zhirik is beautiful! Almost once again showed the Geyropeans Kuzkin’s mother. yes
  • Migari
    Migari 2 November 2013 10: 07
    0
    Your words to God in the ears.
  • avt
    avt 2 November 2013 10: 22
    22
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I already wrote in the previous article .. This is a lot of running combination clearly! Ukraine at the very last moment will throw the EU and this entire gop company .. This will be another painful and targeted blow (God forbid that this be so)

    Well, this is a fantasy. Firstly, no one has ever invited Ukraine to the EU, and therefore there is nothing to "throw", the association is not membership, but a voluntary yoke into which the "elite" of Ukraine persistently climbs. Secondly, the eurointeurators will not get more dividends from the "kick", here the whole point of the action is to sell Ukraine all as it is once, and at least the grass will not grow there. Only they lack intelligence to understand one thing, which our oligarch in London met and the hunchback, too, but they will do a lot for money there, that's how they will celebrate the humpback's name day in the Albert Hall, but NONE of the local chief executives came. to those for whom the country and the people are, and not to the rich suckers who sold the birthright to lentil stew. But they are higher than the legends of the Bible, they are also the "world elite".
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 2 November 2013 10: 58
      +6
      On the account of "not called" I do not agree But in the capacity of whom ..? I do not want to grind it all on edge ..! The only thing that I know for sure (I'm talking about Russia) EVERYTHING RETURNS EARLY OR LATE! (In one capacity or another, but the essence is the same) These are the things we have ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 11: 02
        +6
        Quote: MIKHAN
        I do not agree to the account "not called"

        And who called Ukraine, if you say that there are Yatsenyuk who say that Ukraine is still a year and the EU. So he yawned over.
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 2 November 2013 11: 18
          +5
          I don’t know about the Yatsenyuk ..) But the call has been heard all over the former Union since the 90s ... (for which it’s clear ..) The West does not need these countries according to the idea .. (no sense economic from them) .. But with a Bear (Russia) a tuft of wool to tear here they go for everything .. and with pleasure laughing That's how we live..
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 2 November 2013 11: 08
        +4
        Quote: MIKHAN
        ALL RETURNS EARLY OR LATE

        Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the decomposition of the main power of Russia, which is based on millions of Russians themselves ... These latter, even if they are dismembered by international treatises, are just as quickly reconnected with each other as particles of a cut piece of mercury. This is an indestructible state of the Russian nation, strong in its climate, its spaces and limited needs.
  • tegezen
    tegezen 2 November 2013 12: 07
    11
    This is a multi-way combination for sure, but its purpose is precisely to push Ukraine into an association agreement with Europe, they need to feel in their own skin all the charms of life without Russia, it is impossible without it, or they will blackmail us forever that they will leave us forever. Let the Germans muzzle them over forelocks. The association agreement is a piece of paper, although it’s 900 pages long, as they can sign it, it can be canceled, no one has prepared any sweets for them there, they will walk for 3-5 years and will return without their fanabery.
    Somehow you need to finish the Ukrainian swing. It is useless to drag the swing over when you are walking away from you, it is necessary to speed it up on the contrary so that the reverse movement is more powerful, then this movement must be picked up and pulled out to the side. It is necessary to exert efforts in resonance, and in the opposite phase only resources should be spent. This is the logic of Russia's actions in the Ukrainian direction. Now everyone is carefully pushing Ukraine into the EU. When Nenko bumps her head about European realities, i.e. nothing will change, it will only get worse, after 3-5 years, the movement will begin backward, and then the Russians will invest in the Ukrainian direction in full. And everything will be as it should be.
    here is a man even writes http://takie.org/news/es_i_ukrainskij_chemodan_bez_ruchki/2013-09-20-6562
  • Corsair
    Corsair 2 November 2013 12: 09
    +5
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I already wrote in the previous article .. This is a lot of running combination clearly! Ukraine at the very last moment will throw the EU and this entire gop company .. This will be another painful and targeted blow (God forbid that this be so)

    It would be very good if this "multi-move" was a joint operation between Ukraine and Russia, the purpose of which is to weaken (remove) Western pressure on the sphere of Russian - Ukrainian relations ...BUT...
    But if Ukraine, casually and spontaneously, INDEPENDENTLY "throws" "partners", then there is a reason to think about sincerity any intentions of official Kiev.
    As if "kidalovo" did not become another bad political and economic habit ...
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 2 November 2013 13: 14
      +5
      The last option is the people ...! Russian Ukrainians are one thing .. (just our media can see a lot of Ukrainian surnames both Georgian and Armenian .. (I’m silent about Jews forever ... hehe heh))) So not everything is so started the show is just beginning (Bear left hibernated from the mongrel and is looking for who will poison him in the forest and find it everywhere!) I’m figuratively a little like that ..
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 November 2013 13: 22
        -3
        Quote: MIKHAN
        The last option is the people ...! Russian Ukrainians are one

        There is almost no doubt about this, only what can this people be called? Russians or Ukrainians?

        Quote: MIKHAN
        (The bear came out of hibernation and fought off mongrels and is looking for who will poison him in the forest and find him everywhere!)

        Chur, me, are you talking about LADY?

        Quote: MIKHAN
        I’m so figuratively a little ..

        Yes, not a bit !!!!!!!!!
        1. ksan
          ksan 3 November 2013 01: 12
          +3
          atalef (3) IL Yesterday, 13: 22 ↑

          Quote: MIKHAN
          The last option is the people ...! Russian Ukrainians are one

          There is almost no doubt about this, only what can this people be called? Russians or Ukrainians?
          DEWS or if you want RUSES, great, small, white - all DEWS. Like the Jews, they are Jews in Africa, even if they do not speak Hebrew. fellow
          Quote: MIKHAN
          (The bear came out of hibernation and fought off mongrels and is looking for who will poison him in the forest and find him everywhere!)

          Chur, me, are you talking about LADY?
          This is about Great Russia !!
  • washi
    washi 2 November 2013 12: 25
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I already wrote in the previous article .. This is a lot of running combination clearly! Ukraine at the very last moment will throw the EU and this entire gop company .. This will be another painful and targeted blow (God forbid that this be so)

    Quite the opposite. EU throws outskirts, and that is why it puts a bunch of conditions.
    What will Ukraine do in this case? This is interesting.
    Especially after the adoption of a bunch of laws to comply with EU requirements.
  • UVB
    UVB 2 November 2013 12: 53
    +1
    This is a lot of running combination clearly! Ukraine at the very last moment will throw the EU and this whole gop company
    Oh, with your lips and honey to drink! Although I really want you to be right.
  • WIN969
    WIN969 2 November 2013 13: 11
    +1
    Of course, he’ll throw it, but they will only enter the EU, and then there will be presidential elections, a person most likely will come to power with our support, and he will recognize the actions of Yanuk as not legal, not taking into account the interests of Ukraine itself, and causing great damage to it.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 2 November 2013 14: 17
      +1
      Quote: WIN969
      Of course, he’ll throw it, but they will only enter the EU, and then there will be presidential elections, a person most likely will come to power with our support, and he will recognize the actions of Yanuk as not legal, not taking into account the interests of Ukraine itself, and causing great damage to it.

      Therefore, Yanukovych does not bother to think about his future.
      He should think about whether it is worth the risk in view of the prospect of once again landing on a parachute, or in time to "jump off" the path of European integration ...
      1. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 15: 09
        +3
        Quote: Corsair
        Quote: WIN969
        Of course, he’ll throw it, but they will only enter the EU, and then there will be presidential elections, a person most likely will come to power with our support, and he will recognize the actions of Yanuk as not legal, not taking into account the interests of Ukraine itself, and causing great damage to it.

        Therefore, Yanukovych does not bother to think about his future.
        He should think about whether it is worth the risk in view of the prospect of once again landing on a parachute, or in time to "jump off" the path of European integration ...

        Yanuk can have only 2 options for the future:
        1. he will sit in place of Tymoshenko
        2. he will have time to dump on the islands in the Pacific Ocean ...

        Naturally, there can be no talk of a further political career ...
  • duke
    duke 2 November 2013 14: 02
    0
    In games of this level there is a sense, and what is the meaning of this multi-way from Ukraine?
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 15: 10
      +1
      Quote: duke
      In games of this level there is a sense, and what is the meaning of this multi-way from Ukraine?

      in the fact that from Ukraine this is not a multi-entry ...
      they are straight, like the only gyrus in Yanuk’s head ...
  • phantom359
    phantom359 2 November 2013 14: 04
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I already wrote in the previous article .. This is a lot of running combination clearly! Ukraine at the very last moment will throw the EU and this entire gop company .. This will be another painful and targeted blow (God forbid that this be so)

    I think it will be so. It’s not for nothing that all this fuss with the Germans and Snowden. In Ukraine, too, are not complete in the government and understand perfectly well who will be the first to rake if hostilities begin. Although, frankly, some decisions are perplexing.
  • Gladiatir-zlo
    Gladiatir-zlo 2 November 2013 14: 13
    0
    In history, the most brutal and bloody wars were fought by the Slavs, and with themselves, the German people remember their roots, they are also Slavs. Moreover, the instigators were Gauls and mostly Anglo-Saxons, however, both of them were credited by the Jewish bankers. So nothing is new under the moon, again Germany and Russia will puzhut all around. something like this.
    1. Black
      Black 2 November 2013 15: 12
      +2
      Quote: Gladiatir-Zlo
      the German people remember their roots, they are also Slavs.

      When did the "memory" come? In the 45th? - "Do not shove me in the face! We are Aryans usi! We are weedy lads !!" laughing
  • Anthony
    Anthony 2 November 2013 17: 56
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Where did the “Ukrainian” calm of Putin come from?


    what nonsense? I don’t understand something, did the author write everything from the ceiling or just what he heard on television? probably watched the channel "RUSSIA 24". There isn't enough space to write about everything, and what's the point? there is nothing to prove, but at least elementary information would be checked. MEDVEDCHUK IS NOT A KHARKOVCHANIN! He was in Kharkov and spoke the words that are written in the article.
    So, looking at such a gross error of the author, you understand that the article was written completely thoughtlessly and it was written for people who do not understand what, for fools!
    Do not be fools but ask Ukrainians that's all! But Medvedchuk, Markov are pro-Russian politicians, so they say what Moscow wants.
    1. vanaheym
      vanaheym 8 November 2013 20: 24
      0
      Markov is the same selling copy as Medvedchuk. When it was profitable - after receiving a deputy mandate he joined the faction of the party of regions, when it became profitable - he began to root for Russia. When they took the ass, I forgot about my love for Russia and began to appeal to Europe and the European Court.
  • varov14
    varov14 2 November 2013 17: 56
    0
    It’s just that Mr. President decided to give the Russians a flu shot, and without losing, with any development in the future.
  • Skiff-2
    Skiff-2 2 November 2013 18: 24
    +4
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I already wrote in the previous article .. This is a lot of running combination clearly! Ukraine at the very last moment will throw the EU and this entire gop company .. This will be another painful and targeted blow (God forbid that this be so)

    If you heard what shred was on Shuster’s talk show yesterday, how many feces the blue and orange trash poured on Russia, you wouldn’t say that — they bit a bit and now look like hysterical schoolgirls, or chamber dwellers No. 6. The author of the article is right - Putin is calm knowing the true position of Germany, and the blue-orange gang is losing its face and legitimacy in its comic attempts. We need a fresh political force focused on integration with Russia ... or there will be trouble.
  • rolik
    rolik 2 November 2013 19: 50
    +4
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I already wrote in the previous article ..

    Well, they broke off the European integrators who hang out here. And they were already joyfully rubbing their hands and saw erotic dreams about how they would live in the Storage)))))
  • Siberian German
    Siberian German 2 November 2013 19: 57
    +2
    and I have already said that if Russia and the Fritzes become allies, then it will be possible to put the rest of the world as "cancer" and all these partnerships, etc., etc. will die by themselves
  • orkibotu
    orkibotu 3 November 2013 14: 38
    +1
    God forbid! ............. !!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Jipo
    Jipo 3 November 2013 17: 15
    +1
    Ukraine, in its present form and state is a "Trojan horse", the elite and "Westerners" ruling there now, is a combination of taking the brain and money out of Europe. Putin understands this and is guided by the principle - whatever the child amuses himself, so long as he does not cry. Ukraine is imprisoned for the Russian market, as well as for its energy resources, Europe will not be able to provide the first or the second, they do not need freeloaders and competitors, so sooner or later these agreements will have to be violated and a new "Preiaslav Rada" made.
  • denson06
    denson06 5 November 2013 16: 37
    0
    Plus to all this, giving money in green currency a considerable amount and throwing it just like that after the "departing train" would be illogical at all ... castling is planned at least .. (God forbid, that it was)
  • Allegedly
    Allegedly 7 November 2013 04: 10
    0
    Nothing is right, nothing is right. Let's start with the fact that in Ukraine (namely "on", not "in", because this is an ancient Russian designation, in Russia, in Ukraine) criminal power. What is the twice-convicted president of Ukraine worth? According to statistics, 30% of the party of regions (its more or less superior members) are previously convicted persons, they take part even in thieves' gatherings.

    http://censor.net.ua/resonance/189998/ahmetov_pochtil_pamyat_mameda_umer_vor_v_z



    akone_1
    http://www.mzk1.ru/2013/06/titov-mixail-po-klichke-multik-eshhe-odin-apelsin/

    Examples can be given endlessly. But this is not interesting. Interesting thing is that the elite of Ukraine with the help of supposedly "joining the EU" goes "into the cash". That is, it legalizes its fortunes and makes itself and its capital legitimate "in the eyes of Europe," that is, in the eyes of "all progressive humanity." And it's worth a lot. And the people, and even more so his interests, they do not care. The elite of Ukraine is even more Asian than the elite of the same Russia, although more fraternal peoples do not exist in the world. I really want to see what will happen to Ukraine in a year, yes, exactly in a year. It will be a very fascinating sight, though not for the faint of heart. And most importantly, there are no innocents. What kind of people, such and boyars. Naturally, not all, but the law of this physics is natural for 90% of the population.
  • rrrd
    rrrd 2 November 2013 08: 44
    +9
    Germany garbage can the most adequate country in all this gang!
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 15: 12
      +3
      Quote: rrrd
      Germany garbage can the most adequate country in all this gang!

      Germany only and exclusively defends its interests ...
      don't rely on her kindness ...
      1. rolik
        rolik 2 November 2013 23: 45
        +3
        Quote: DanaF1
        Germany only and exclusively defends its interests ...

        Naturally, just a business, plus German punctuality. But these same qualities help the Germans to understand that having good and good relations with us is much better than with the European ladies of easy virtue who surround Germany. Maybe the words of Bismarck in Germany finally resonated ??)))
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 3 November 2013 02: 09
          -1
          Quote: rolik
          Quote: DanaF1
          Germany only and exclusively defends its interests ...

          Naturally, just a business, plus German punctuality. But these same qualities help the Germans to understand that having good and good relations with us is much better than with the European ladies of easy virtue who surround Germany. Maybe the words of Bismarck in Germany finally resonated ??)))

          generally agree ...
          but the Germans do not have much room for maneuver ...
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 2 November 2013 08: 45
    +7
    It was Germany, most of all, which turned out to bother the United States in Europe,

    Of course, after all, Germany has the most gold in the USA, but I don’t want to give it back.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 2 November 2013 10: 02
      12
      Quote: bomg.77
      Of course, after all, Germany has the most gold in the USA, but I don’t want to give it back.

      Yes, everyone already said they would not give it back.
      Washed off by a hurricane.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 2 November 2013 11: 07
        +5
        Quote: ATATA
        Yes, everyone already said they would not give it back.
        Washed off by a hurricane.
        These are their problems, the United States guaranteed the safety of the gold and foreign exchange reserve. Now the Germans will not give it back in the future, they will take it themselves, and we will help them with delivery to a more reliable institution, SberBank of Russia.
      2. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 15: 13
        +1
        Quote: ATATA

        Yes, everyone already said they would not give it back.
        Washed off by a hurricane.

        not a hurricane ...
        remember the international shopping center, 7 building ...
        this is the third building that collapsed during the "terrorist attack", the gold was partially stored there ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 15: 44
          0
          Quote: DanaF1
          not a hurricane ...

          It's about German gold, which washed away a couple of years ago by a hurricane laughing
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 16: 27
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It's about German gold, which washed away a couple of years ago by a hurricane

            I have not heard about it ...
            Is this when there was a flood in New York?
    2. don.kryyuger
      don.kryyuger 2 November 2013 10: 42
      +5
      Not only. There is the most powerful economy in Europe. Germany is the backbone of all this gay union. If it emerges from it, it will fall apart by itself.
      1. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 15: 15
        -2
        Quote: don.kryyuger
        Not only. There is the most powerful economy in Europe. Germany is the backbone of all this gay union. If it emerges from it, it will fall apart by itself.

        who will let her out?
        if Germany only talks about leaving officially, it will immediately have an orange revolution ...
    3. edge
      edge 2 November 2013 11: 25
      +2
      Quote: bomg.77
      Of course, after all, Germany has the most gold in the USA

      but they won’t give it back .... they’ve already sent it, they will send it the second .....
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 2 November 2013 11: 40
        +1
        Quote: hert
        Quote: bomg.77
        Of course, after all, Germany has the most gold in the USA

        but they won’t give it back .... they’ve already sent it, they will send it the second .....
        Then another Fuhrer will be born in Germany and his revenge will be scary ...
        1. washi
          washi 2 November 2013 12: 46
          +3
          Quote: bomg.77
          Quote: hert
          Quote: bomg.77
          Of course, after all, Germany has the most gold in the USA

          but they won’t give it back .... they’ve already sent it, they will send it the second .....
          Then another Fuhrer will be born in Germany and his revenge will be scary ...

          And what do you dislike about the girl who grew up in the GDR?
          That does not allow the new Fuhrer?
          Or that he remembers How ordinary Germans lived there? And what kind of psychology adhered to?
          Or maybe the fact that the Germans began to resemble their Slavic past? (watch the Zadorny movie about Rurik)
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 2 November 2013 14: 02
            0
            Quote: Vasya
            And what do you dislike about the girl who grew up in the GDR?
            I like Merkel and I consider her one of the strongest politicians in the world, though after Vladimir Putin.
            Quote: Vasya
            That does not allow the new Fuhrer?
            I mean the Fuhrer as the leader of a nation capable of uniting the Germans and overthrow the Anglo-Saxon occupation. They are the only ones in Europe who can do this. (I spit on fascist slogans, so that there are no rumors) and her birth in the German Democratic Republic adds points. I will watch Zadorny later. hi
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 2 November 2013 14: 20
            0
            Quote: Vasya
            Or maybe the fact that the Germans began to resemble their Slavic past?

            If I am not mistaken, in the "Lay of Igor's Regiment" the Germans are mentioned among the ALLIES of the Russians ...
  • makarov
    makarov 2 November 2013 08: 46
    +6
    No one, and not when, asked PEOPLE about his position and aspirations.
    1. don.kryyuger
      don.kryyuger 2 November 2013 10: 43
      +4
      In Russia, the same thing.
      1. washi
        washi 2 November 2013 14: 16
        +1
        Quote: don.kryyuger
        In Russia, the same thing.

        And who's stopping you?
        Let's make a party of lovers of the Russian language together, or a party to preserve the oktsents of the Russian language.
        Purpose: preservation of local features of the Russian language in each area of ​​Russian residence, including the USA, Germany, Canada, Venezuela, etc. At the same time, the creation of a single pan-Slavic (and then pan-Turkic (non-Arabic) language.
    2. Viktor1
      Viktor1 2 November 2013 12: 37
      0
      True to all 200%.
    3. washi
      washi 2 November 2013 14: 04
      +3
      Quote: makarov
      No one, and not when, asked PEOPLE about his position and aspirations.

      And who had the EVENING, then replaced by (Ivan 4 the Great) Zemsky assemblies?
      And the Soviets of People's Deputies, replaced, (unfortunately), (after the death of the IVS), part. meetings?
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 2 November 2013 08: 57
    +3
    D.Medvedem makes another “Chinese warning”,

    what a bear, so a teddy bear, and even a teddy
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 15: 18
      +2
      Quote: andrei332809
      what a bear, so a teddy bear, and even a teddy

      she didn’t ... DAM really got out of it, apparently they considered the lost profit ...
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 2 November 2013 09: 02
    11
    Ukraine (or rather its leadership) drove itself into a situation where there is less and less choice for action. We already seem tired of her blackmail just like a girl - Vasya buy ice cream, but you can’t buy, I will marry Mikola. If this is so far, then they will soon persuade us not to let us join the EU for a little while, all of their policies are based on this.
  • awg75
    awg75 2 November 2013 09: 07
    16
    Why persuade Ukraine --- Euroflag in their hands and a Slav bye !!!! even a hedgehog understands that the European Union will ruin Ukraine, the elderly will remain without a pension, and young people without work.
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    2. Igor39
      Igor39 2 November 2013 10: 44
      +4
      The European Union will drive the state into debt, and the population will make slaves of corporations, business, nothing personal.
  • sanych
    sanych 2 November 2013 09: 13
    24
    Why guess something ?! There are only a few days left until Day X. Let's see ... It's hard to believe that Yanukovych will suddenly show the EU's fig, but about Merkel, the version seems more plausible. And if Ukraine suddenly "flies" in Vilnius, by the wild screams and squeals we will immediately find out who was dragging Ukraine into this cesspool, Europe. And if they sign an agreement, for some time the Ukrainian brothers will have to plunge into all the "charms" of Geyropa belay They do not want to learn from the mistakes of others - let them learn from their own. But our market for them will be unambiguously lost, and Europeans do not need their goods for sure. Rights V.V. - This is the sovereign business of Ukraine. Let them try. And we'll see! drinks
    1. Bogranz
      Bogranz 2 November 2013 11: 12
      +5
      In general, I agree with you: to refuse from the Ukrainian leadership the association NOW means to drop your authority to a level "below the baseboard. Especially against the background of previous problems with gas transit. In this case, Tymoshenko's fate is just a kind of" trick "for intrigue, which can to become a reason, but no more, for refusal of the association on the part of Europe.Although ... there must be serious reasons for such a refusal, more serious than the benefits from the geopolitical location of Ukraine in the geopolitical plans of both Europe and the United States. marches of unfinished Banderites with banners in their hands along the streets of Lviv I do not think that the Russian market will be COMPLETELY lost for Ukraine: there are factors restraining such development of relations - participation in the WTO, in the Free Trade Zone Agreement, some industrial ties strategically important for Russia. But the limitations will be very serious, there are already examples ...
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 2 November 2013 11: 55
        +4
        Quote: Bograntz
        drop your credibility to the level of "below the baseboard.

        Where is he already?
        Only some who benefit are pretending that everything is normal.
        1. Bogranz
          Bogranz 2 November 2013 16: 55
          +1
          And you try to imagine if in Vilnius Yanukovych (the representative of Ukraine) says: "Sorry, but here we thought, thought and ... decided ...."
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  • Grbear
    Grbear 2 November 2013 09: 36
    10
    From the standpoint of Russia's cynical pragmatism: Ukraine for the EU is a "suitcase without a handle" with bricks of existing debts to Russia, which will indirectly "slide" onto the EU members.

    Ukraine is becoming controlled in terms of transit. Russia will either transfer "tyrenny" gas to the EU, or "ask" to restore order.

    In addition, the political "decontamination" of industrial regions will require additional funds from the EU. Otherwise, the processes of separation of a part of Ukraine from the inside are likely, with the ensuing consequences.

    And why does Russia need a partner with a "stone in its bosom"? Let it clean.

    To fight, so to fight and nothing to ... yell.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 2 November 2013 09: 45
      +3
      Quote: GrBear
      processes of separation of part of Ukraine from the inside are likely, with the ensuing consequences.

      Option _ The worse the better. Maybe he is № 1 ?
      And Merkel, hmm, they can convince (the arguments are golden!) And say Yes!
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 2 November 2013 10: 07
        +5
        Quote: Cynic
        And Merkel, hmm, they can convince (the arguments are golden!) And say Yes!

        Slogans and arguments are one thing, and economic consequences are another.
        But the Germans are not fools.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 2 November 2013 10: 26
          +7
          Quote: ATATA
          Slogans and arguments are one thing, and economic consequences are another.

          What consequences ?
          The gas as it went, it will go! In the worst case, they will quickly run through the Security Council without a decision and blue helmets will stand up to guard the blue and black gold!
          For some reason, everyone has forgotten Europe’s proposed options for maintaining stability in the 90s.
          Quote: ATATA
          But the Germans are not fools.

          On the one hand, yes, but on the other. Two world wars taught them nothing.
          Do not hope that once using the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it’s worth playing with Russians either honestly or not at all

          And who will believe what is written by the German?
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 15: 25
            0
            Quote: Cynic
            Do not hope that once using the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it’s worth playing with Russians either honestly or not at all

            Bismarck said all right ...
            What can’t you say about his actions ...
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 2 November 2013 17: 40
              +1
              Quote: DanaF1
              Bismarck said all right ...
              What can’t you say about his actions ...

              So under Bismarck, Germany did not fight with Russia.
              The Iron Chancellor was smart.
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 18: 12
                0
                Quote: ATATA

                So under Bismarck, Germany did not fight with Russia.
                The Iron Chancellor was smart.

                so I don’t say that I fought, on the contrary, Bismarck did everything possible so that the German army did not fight on the side of Austria ...
                however, he pursued his own policy based on the interests of his country, and was not at all our friend ...
            2. Cynic
              Cynic 2 November 2013 17: 41
              0
              Quote: DanaF1
              What can’t you say about his actions ...

              It was he who later gained experience.
              How's the classic _
              experience, son of difficult mistakes

              According to the layout
              Fools say that they learn from their own experience, I prefer to learn from the experience of others.

              drinks
          2. ATATA
            ATATA 2 November 2013 17: 42
            +1
            Quote: Cynic
            What consequences ?

            What are the consequences of Greece?
            And Ukraine is 8 Greece.
    2. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 15: 23
      +1
      Quote: GrBear
      From the standpoint of Russia's cynical pragmatism: Ukraine for the EU is a "suitcase without a handle" with bricks of existing debts to Russia, which will indirectly "slide" onto the EU members.

      Ukraine is becoming controlled in terms of transit. Russia will either transfer "tyrenny" gas to the EU, or "ask" to restore order.

      In addition, the political "decontamination" of industrial regions will require additional funds from the EU. Otherwise, the processes of separation of a part of Ukraine from the inside are likely, with the ensuing consequences.

      And why does Russia need a partner with a "stone in its bosom"? Let it clean.

      To fight, so to fight and nothing to ... yell.


      you are not quite right ...
      all this would be if the outskirts became part of the EU, but the association would not allow it to shift its financial obligations to the EU ...

      most likely, the outskirts will continue to try to sit on 2 chairs, regularly asking the space "what about us?"
  • igordok
    igordok 2 November 2013 09: 38
    +1
    Turkey to the Customs Union - to facilitate entry into the EU.
    Ukraine in the EU - to indulge the entrance to the Customs Union.
    1. Glory333
      Glory333 2 November 2013 11: 19
      +3
      Turkey changed its mind to join the EU, against both the government and the people, according to surveys only 38% of Turks for the country's accession to the EU.
  • major071
    major071 2 November 2013 09: 38
    14
    cunning policy ":" an affectionate body in two queens sucks. "

    After Ukraine joins the EU, only the last word will be left of the above proposal.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 2 November 2013 10: 36
      0
      Quote: major071
      After Ukraine joins the EU, only the last word will be left of the above proposal.

      good laughing laughing
  • Boris55
    Boris55 2 November 2013 09: 43
    +3
    Bolivar will not stand two
    Perhaps Ukraine will become the very "last stone" that will overturn the European Union and the Euro, as an alternative to the dollar. It is beneficial for the USA. Whether this is beneficial to us is unlikely. "Controlled chaos" throughout Europe full of Islamist migrants does not bode well for us - we ourselves have plenty of them. We all felt the consequences of breaking economic ties with Europe and their consequences on people's lives during the collapse of the USSR. We don't need Euro-perestroika.
    Let us hope that the calf sucking the two queens finally grows up at the prudence of the European leaders.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 2 November 2013 09: 44
    +9
    No persuasion or referendum will help. The people do not decide anything. Therefore, you need to talk less, and hit the purses of Ukrainian moneybags, tear them from the Russian feeder. They do not earn in the EU. Then decisiveness will somewhat decrease.
    1. vanaheym
      vanaheym 8 November 2013 20: 30
      0
      For the same Roshen, exports to Russia are 15%. It hurts, but bearable.
      Tactical troubles.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 2 November 2013 09: 45
    12
    It is not necessary, in relation to Ukraine, to hysteria and tear hair: - Goes away !!! Come back !!! The Ukrainian establishment behaves ridiculously and stupidly, so naughty girls behave when they get their own worth. Ignoring all this masquerade is the best sobering tool.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 2 November 2013 10: 19
      +3
      Plus to you! that's just all this noise is not casual .. The information war however .. wassat
  • Migari
    Migari 2 November 2013 10: 09
    0
    "Cunning policy": "an affectionate body in two queens sucks"

    Ideal for the situation with Ukraine.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 2 November 2013 10: 29
      +1
      Quote: Migari
      Ideal for the situation with Ukraine.

      And is it only with her?
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 2 November 2013 10: 22
    +9
    So what? If everything is brought to simple human relations, then we get the eternal question of two people to the third: "Who are you friends with?" Refusal to any opponent will amount to treason with all the ensuing consequences. Russia is right in not trying to restrain Ukraine from taking any steps. In the end, states are not run by small children, and must give an account of their actions with a perspective view. I just feel sorry for ordinary people ... About five years ago I visited Yandiya, Ternopil. On a question from a friend due to the absence of young women, I received the answer that everyone "works" in Geyrope. Ukraine goes its own way. Only when the country is completely destroyed economically and socially, it will reach the leadership that the West will NEVER accept slavs into its fold. The Anglo-Saxons tend to lie. And the fools are those who believe them ...
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 15: 36
      +2
      Quote: Rurikovich
      In the end, it is not small children who lead the states, and they must be aware of their actions with a perspective on the future.

      this is true if the leadership thinks about the country, and does not try to cut down the dough and run away ...
      in Ukraine, obviously, the second option ...
  • ed65b
    ed65b 2 November 2013 10: 29
    +5
    Axis Moscow-Berlin. I am for. Although this is very strange, historically they were opponents, but now the times are changing, France is more an enemy to us than Germany. maybe we re-educated them during the Second World War?
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 15: 37
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      Axis Moscow-Berlin. I am for. Although this is very strange, historically they were opponents, but now the times are changing, France is more an enemy to us than Germany. maybe we re-educated them during the Second World War?

      historically, we have never been adversaries, because we have nothing to share ...
      but the opponents were constantly DOING us with small shaves and then they caught fish in troubled waters ...
  • pensioner
    pensioner 2 November 2013 10: 31
    -28 qualifying.
    That's what I stumbled upon
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 2 November 2013 11: 12
      -2
      Quote: retired
      That's what I stumbled upon

      Dogs are considered “spirits”, they serve as animals warning a person about dangers invisible to him and scaring away demons and harmful spirits. In antiquity, instead of a dog, on the doorstep of the house was placed his image, endowed with magical meaning as a charm that turns evil away from the house.

      By the way
      In the East, it is considered an unclean and thieves animal.
    2. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 15: 38
      -1
      it would seem that...
      what does Ukraine have to do with it?
  • pensioner
    pensioner 2 November 2013 10: 32
    -11 qualifying.
    And further [b] The authors of the ad board obviously support the integration of Ukraine into the European Union. At the same time, they sarcastically responded to the reaction of Russia. “Europe is our home. The dog barks, and the caravan moves on ... ", - says the text of the advertisement. a photo.
    Recall that in the social networks there was a photo of a dog that was shot in Kiev on Khreshchatyk. Internet users immediately noticed that her face is very similar to the face of Russian President Vladimir Putin. / B]
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 11: 08
      +6
      Quote: retired
      Internet users immediately noticed that her face is very reminiscent of the face of Russian President Vladimir Putin

      Putin is aging, conspiracy did not help - exposed laughing
    2. xan
      xan 2 November 2013 12: 23
      +7
      The caravan is long before the dog, and the main driver of the caravan runs after the dog, everyone is trying to find out her opinion about the road.
      but in general they coolly touched what was left for them.
      1. polly
        polly 2 November 2013 13: 04
        10
        In this situation, another picture looks more true!
  • PValery53
    PValery53 2 November 2013 10: 34
    +6
    The time is coming when independent Ukraine will fully "taste" the consequences of its "sovereignty". Well, "we will see" ... He does not want mutually beneficial cooperation with Russia, - let him "disentangle" the consequences ... ("We have farthed you ...")
    1. vanaheym
      vanaheym 8 November 2013 20: 45
      0
      Warned. OK. Enough. And then on one topwar they go straight to work - they post and post articles about Ukraine every day, and so everywhere, from the Internet to the TV. Thanks to all this and the same spam, Ukraine received Yanukovych before, and now that he has thrown his Russian sponsors, Ukraine and Ukrainians have become fiends of hell / fascists / prostitutes / to append what is needed. What is now surprising in the fact that more than half of Ukrainians do not think that they are on the way with the vehicle?
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 2 November 2013 10: 36
    +5
    This is exactly what happens, thanks to the author. It’s just awful what’s going on with Ukraine, it’s better to really be silent, let them do what they want, but in no case make any concessions, otherwise Ukraine will blackmail us all our lives. The Ukrainian government generally rigidly exposes its people, as women behave, saying they’ll leave you because you will not spend money and resources on me. Shame. But Nazarbayev and Lukashenko respect, these really have brotherly feelings.
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 2 November 2013 15: 41
      +3
      Quote: ZU-23
      But Nazarbayev and Lukashenko respect, these really have fraternal feelings.

      I would wait with such statements ...

      Papa Kolya’s brotherly feelings, we all saw 08.08.08 ...
  • individual
    individual 2 November 2013 10: 37
    +6
    Be that as it may, the "West" is constantly driving a "wedge" for a split between Russia and Ukraine. Their ideologues understand that together we are an irresistible force for them. And individually, you can dictate the conditions of your priority.
    For us, the united Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, and the eastern reliance on Kazakhstan are a self-sufficient entity capable of building its own civilization and fully ensuring its security.
    This is a nightmare of "Western" ideologists.
    For the sake of preventing this, they do not even see the threat that they are being devoured from within by barbarians from Asia and Africa.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 2 November 2013 10: 40
    +7
    An interesting look at what is happening. Maybe it is. That's just the brothers of Ukrainians, whoever they consider themselves to be, is sincerely sorry.
  • gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 2 November 2013 10: 42
    -8
    The author in many ways gives wishful thinking. There is no neutral, sober look. Only emotions.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 2 November 2013 10: 46
      +2
      Quote: gladiatorakz
      There is no neutral, sober look. Only emotions.

      For example ?
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 2 November 2013 10: 56
        +2
        Quote: Cynic
        For example ?

        Putin - Olympic calm, Yanukovych nervous, watered. repression in Odessa, etc. In short about anything. Grandma on the bench.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 2 November 2013 11: 06
          +3
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          Putin is Olympic calm, Yanukovych is nervous,

          BUT .
          Well, journalists also want to eat. And they pay for the amount beech trees .
          Putin is calm, Yanukovych is nervous
          Not that sounds, but option
          Putin - Olympic calm, Yanukovych is hysterically nervous
          not that ...
          So, what is said is fairly neutral towards the leader of the Independent. Without extra emotions.
          lol
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 11: 09
          +6
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          . In short about anything. Grandma on the bench.

          Well, find an article with facts on the Ukrainian website and post it, and we will read
    2. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 2 November 2013 12: 34
      -3
      Judging by the minuses, the toad crushes many. laughing
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 12: 58
        +6
        Quote: gladiatorakz
        Judging by the minuses, the toad crushes many

        Toad laughing Why envy wassat
  • Stasi
    Stasi 2 November 2013 10: 45
    +9
    Putin's silence on Ukraine is understandable. If the EU accepts it, the Europeans will have to solve the financial and economic problems of Ukraine. And this, first of all, will hit the pockets of the Germans, who are already playing the role of a "euro wallet" in Europe. The German wallet is not bottomless and the patience of the Germans is not endless, so they are unlikely to want to pay for Ukraine as well.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 2 November 2013 10: 48
    +2
    again 25 .... Again, Ukraine is an unreasonable child to rush to the "street" where she will be "thrown"
    Why dub the same news?
    I look, even Akim and Kars no longer want to comment on THIS ... THIS is already tired of the order.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 11: 10
      +3
      Quote: Cristall
      I look, even Akim and Kars do not want to comment on IT anymore.

      They just believed that Ukraine will join the EU laughing
      1. Viktor1
        Viktor1 2 November 2013 12: 22
        +1
        Most do not want this.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 12: 35
          +1
          Quote: Viktor1
          Most do not want this.

          Scha Kars and Kim will come and you will find out how much you are lost laughing
          1. Viktor1
            Viktor1 2 November 2013 12: 47
            +1
            I don’t know where Kars and Kim are from, but I'm from Lviv, so I’m waiting for their remarks.
    2. old rocket man
      old rocket man 2 November 2013 13: 30
      +4
      Quote: Cristall
      e news?
      I look, even Akim and Kars do not want to comment on IT anymore ... THIS is already tired of the order

      Well, Akim and Kars will probably already be at the cottage, will appear in the evening. What was said in the article as a version has a right to exist.
      But ....! If we compare the chronology of the events that took place (Tymoshenko, gas, Crimea, social and foreign policies, joining the EU), then with the realization by all, and especially by Yanukovych himself, that he is a political corpse, deprived of the support of the people, I personally suspect that everything is much simpler,Yanek stupidly preparing a backup airfield, personally to myself.
      He spat on both Ukraine and Russia. Suitcase-Station-London hi
      1. Akim
        Akim 2 November 2013 14: 20
        +3
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        Well, Akim and Kars are probably already in the country, they will appear in the evening.

        I am here, moreover, from ... early, but I will not participate in this discussion. The meaning in it is zero.
        1. old rocket man
          old rocket man 2 November 2013 23: 14
          0
          Quote: Akim
          I will not participate in this discussion. The meaning in it is zero

          Perhaps, yes, everyone on the surface and, in principle, of this type, everyone evaluates the same drinks
    3. Akim
      Akim 2 November 2013 14: 18
      +4
      Quote: Cristall
      I look, even Akim and Kars no longer want to comment on THIS ... THIS is already tired of the order.

      I didn’t even read it. In the comments, using a search I looked only my name. I can still master themes similar to Odessa (such as the arrest of Markov). And the rest of the political issues are boring here. Same.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 2 November 2013 17: 37
        +2
        Quote: Akim
        Same.
        Well, not really, an interesting accent has appeared - the "Moscow-Berlin" axis. In my humble opinion, under the shadow of the EU, its "locomotive", Germany, is quietly building its new, economic Reich. It will largely depend on the position of Germany what Yanukovych will break off with his attempt to surrender to the European Union. It is clear that Russia will not just give up Little Russia, the whole issue that Putin discussed, if discussed, with the Germans in case of a "Ukrainian crisis." In our case, the only solution, with the collapse of Yanukovych's power, is the Anschluss, the reunification of Little Russia with Big Russia.
        1. Akim
          Akim 2 November 2013 17: 48
          +2
          Quote: Per se.
          In our case, the only solution, with the collapse of Yanukovych’s power, is the Anschluss, the reunification of Little Russia with Big Russia.

          I say the same thing. All the conversations we have on the forum about this, just an interpretation of Eastern wisdom about the dog and the caravan.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 2 November 2013 22: 23
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            I say the same thing.

            Night, street, lantern, pharmacy,
            Meaningless and dim light
            Live another quarter century
            It will be so. There is no outcome.
            If you die, you will start over again,
            And repeat it all, like old
            The night, the icy ripple of the canal,
            Pharmacy, street, lantern.
            Alas, Akim, on this topic, simply - "Tertium non datur" (the third is not given).
    4. MG42
      MG42 2 November 2013 17: 01
      +5
      Quote: Cristall
      I look, even Akim and Kars no longer want to comment on THIS ... THIS is already tired of the order.

      THIS needs to be commented on >>
      Quote: Cristall
      Kars and Akim - what are you, Star of the Hero of Ukraine want? winked I think you will get it - in fact, almost together in any topic - argue with all visitors (mainly with Russians)
      argue about the same thing.

      http://topwar.ru/35335-analiticheskaya-programma-odnako-s-mihailom-leontevym-30-



      oktyabrya-2013.html # comment-id-1641501
      Well, what do you call it? laughing Who will praise will receive the sweetest candy? .. It's not <hero> but <hemorrhoids> except to earn money .. Yanuca will adequately reward for exorbitant attempts ..
      1. Akim
        Akim 2 November 2013 17: 13
        +1
        Quote: MG42
        Yanuk adequately reward for exorbitant attempts ..

        Right I'm not there. I went for the award. fellow
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 2 November 2013 17: 18
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          I went for the award.

          But what about the "socialist" beliefs (ideals?) ...
          You do not accept the current Ukrainian government, you do not like it even more than Russian ... request
          ... or for the sake of "trinket" principles can be waived?
          1. Akim
            Akim 2 November 2013 17: 53
            +2
            Quote: Corsair
            You do not accept the current Ukrainian government, you do not like it even more than Russian ...

            And the way out? Live like my dad and suffer in the past? Or adapt to the general background.
            You know, on TV I once heard a joke.
            Grandma says:
            Under Stalin, I felt better. Because men wanted me and my back did not hurt.
            So, I do not want to miss this period.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 2 November 2013 18: 28
              +3
              Quote: Akim
              And the way out? Live like my dad and suffer in the past? Or adapt to the general background.

              In the animal kingdom, this phenomenon is called MIMICRY.
              1. Akim
                Akim 2 November 2013 18: 39
                +4
                Quote: Corsair
                In the animal kingdom this is called Mimicry ..

                Not. This is called adaptation. And enough about that. You are a shifter like all of us. Only each has a different degree of this function. Most of all, I can not stand those who fled to the West, and did not stay here de..mo rake. And now we are taught how to love our country. You didn’t leave for a better world, but you didn’t stay either. Therefore, your criticism breaks against my wall of attitude towards such people.
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 2 November 2013 18: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  Not. This is called adaptation.

                  No, this is called ACCOMPLISHMENT ... And whatever "degree" is, the meaning does not change, you "folded your paws" and do not try to fight.
                  Quote: Akim
                  You didn’t leave for a better world, but you didn’t stay either.

                  I left for a more adequate part of the BIG MOTHERLAND with the sick LITTLE ...
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 2 November 2013 19: 00
                    +2
                    Quote: Corsair
                    I left for a more adequate part of the BIG MOTHERLAND with the sick LITTLE ...

                    And this is not adaptation?
                    Do not justify your actions by blaming others. I am a socialist at heart, but this does not mean that I will not work with the bourgeoisie. And I work. I bought a Chinese car, not because it is communist, but because the price-quality ratio is acceptable to me. I used to have Sens, and before him an old Escort.
                    Therefore, agitation from your lips sounds insincere.
                    1. Corsair
                      Corsair 2 November 2013 19: 10
                      -1
                      Quote: Akim
                      Therefore, agitation from your lips sounds insincere.

                      Who wants to hear ...
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 2 November 2013 19: 36
                        +2
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Who wants to hear ...

                        Yes, because you, in our previous disputes, transformed the great Soviet statement: I live in the best country in the world !, into the low-lying: I live in a country better than Ukraine.
    5. In the book
      In the book 4 November 2013 11: 55
      0
      Quote: Cristall
      Why dub the same news?

      In order not to discuss other news.
  • serge
    serge 2 November 2013 10: 58
    +4
    There are already more interpreters of what Putin is not talking about (!!!) than interpreters of Nostradamus.
  • olviko
    olviko 2 November 2013 11: 00
    10
    So far, in international politics, Putin seems to have had no blank shots. Let's hope that in the case of Ukraine, his peace of mind is the result of a well-designed, multi-way party. The main beneficiary of the desired entry into the EU can be considered the oligarchs, who, having sucked to power today, are pulling money from a bloodless state, and it has become such thanks to them. Russia is now going to excommunicate Ukraine from Russian preferences, which will significantly worsen the country's economic situation. Such a move lowers Ukraine’s rating, which will make loans much more expensive and, one might even say, make them completely impossible. Thus, Europe, even if it wanted to absorb Ukraine, it would not be easy to do it. Russia's debt will also be added to an inefficient economy. Who needs such an uncomfortable suitcase, and even heavy with the debts that Russia will have to give. Those who believe that this has been done in spite of Ukraine should argue that everything must be paid for and gifts are gone. Putin wants to receive money for the goods sold.
    If the economic situation worsens, then the authorities will have to find a common language with their own people, who, of such humor, may not understand and will take up the pitchfork. The situation in Ukraine is now bad, but it may turn out that in a few months Yanukovych will longingly remember him as a happy time.
    1. Bogranz
      Bogranz 2 November 2013 11: 27
      +2
      The main thing is to convince the people that a "bright future" awaits them and the people will endure according to the principle: they have endured all their life, but here it is a stone's throw to happiness. So, no one will take the pitchfork ..... Ukraine's debts are primarily its problems, although a little help in the form of either loans or debt cancellation is not ruled out according to the principle: one devil cannot return them. it was possible ... to "restructure" for Ukraine just as for a bankrupt country, and not a state associated with the EU before, but ... it would not look so impressive and would not be perceived as a gesture of helping "one's own". And the Ukrainian economy? .. well ... the smaller it is, the fewer competitors there are for "true" EU members. The EU will be quite happy with the territory itself with its black soil to solve the problems with biodiesel fuel. IMHO, same. Maybe I'm wrong ...
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 2 November 2013 11: 06
    +6
    Quote: ed65b
    Axis Moscow-Berlin. I am for. Although this is very strange, historically they were opponents, but now the times are changing, France is more an enemy to us than Germany. maybe we re-educated them during the Second World War?

    Germany is our potential ally .. (guys sometimes mutuz each other to bloody snot .. (it seems all enemies for life) and then friends are not spilling water and the most loyal and reliable!) Bismarck them (the Germans warned "You should not fight the Russians. . with them only to be honest ..) We checked several times .. I think we understood each other ..
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 2 November 2013 12: 20
      +8
      Quote: MIKHAN

      Germany is our potential ally .. (guys sometimes mutuz each other to bloody snot .. (it seems all enemies for life) and then friends are not spilling water and the most loyal and reliable!) Bismarck them (the Germans warned "You should not fight the Russians. . with them only to be honest ..) We checked several times .. I think we understood each other ..

      But there were SUCH thoughts ...
      History does not recommend relaxing ...

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      1. xan
        xan 2 November 2013 12: 35
        +2
        It is a pity Bismarck did not explain to the Germans about their values.
        Where is the ordn, where is independence and strength? One tolerance around.
        In general, Germany before the EU and after - two different things, and not in favor of "after".
        It is necessary to throw this "communism" at them.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 2 November 2013 11: 13
    10
    "Imagine that, for example, the destabilization of an entire country, and even historically related to it, will happen next to Russia ... Who will benefit from this and who will lose?"
    We will win. Definitely. We need the Ukrainian East, and categorically; by the bottom, we do not need Westerners. Moreover, where these zapadentsy live, in the east or in the west, in general it does not matter. Ideal scenario - Ukraine explodes. It should have fallen for a long time, progressive poverty and no prospects like b should have pushed, but ... the rainbow-colored worlds shine ahead! Let’s enter the EEC ... Hope is my earthly compass ...
    That is why Ukraine is now a complete impasse for Russia. You can’t give her anything, promise anything, help her with nothing. Everything will turn against us. After all, happiness lies in a mirage shining with all colors! And Russia is adb, everything that has been received from it is little, bad, bribery and even blackmail! So we need the mirage to come closer and properly hit the highlighted in hope. Having eaten enough in the EEC, the eastern regions should go to us. Who is against? Welcome to the western regions, "be healthy, live richly." All this will be possible only in an atmosphere of complete destabilization, not earlier. Militants? It is high time to give people the freedom to deal with the militants. Muslim, Ayyayai ... untie your hands and there would be concern, by the way, at this moment, not earlier, we will again have a REAL Cossacks ...
  • Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin 2 November 2013 11: 15
    +1
    Of course, I want to believe that Putin has every reason to be calm. I do not think that he does not give a damn about Little Russia, we are one people. In general, judging by his comments on the situation around Ukraine, it seems to me that he himself is interested to see what all this will turn out to be. In the end, Russia will live without Ukraine, albeit in longing, and Little Russia without Russia ...? Will there be a new Pereyaslavl Rada? Wait and see!
    1. xan
      xan 2 November 2013 12: 41
      0
      Quote: GoldKonstantin
      In the end, Russia will live without Ukraine, albeit in longing,

      Yeah, miss it. You can also sprinkle ash on your head, guilty.
  • vadson
    vadson 2 November 2013 11: 26
    +5
    It seems to me that Putin just realized that it’s useless to influence Ukraine’s prez, even if they are ssy. will negotiate with his hosts. remembering that Putin is not a fan of the principle, is it not for me, most likely Ukraine will be divided into west and east. how? will come up with something ...
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 2 November 2013 11: 27
    11
    One thing is clear, Putin is not stupid; as observations of his domestic and foreign policy show, he has at least a dozen trump cards up his sleeve. Well, let's say Ukraine signs the association, but so what? In reality, this will mean the destruction of the Ukrainian industry, which in some cases is a competitor to the Russian industry. The fact that Russia is somewhat dependent on the Ukrainian industry, measures are already being taken in this regard. For example, a plant is being built for the production of engines similar to "motors" in the Leningrad region. So to speak, two birds with one stone are being killed: - Russia is getting rid of the technical dependence of Ukraine and additional high-tech jobs are being created on the territory of Russia. And milk and confectionery can be bought in other places, there is more of this good on earth than shit. No, Putin, in my opinion, is a young man!
  • Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 2 November 2013 11: 38
    0
    Of course, I want to believe that the game is not over yet. That the gap between Russia and Ukraine will not widen. But if that happens, let's start asking questions to Putin. How did he allow this? There are already no questions to Yanukovych, everything is clear with him.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      2 November 2013 12: 40
      +5
      The general situation in the world is now developing in Russia's favor, and Putin knows how to take advantage of this. For this, Western analysts call our GDP "the devil in the flesh." This is a high mark. And in the Ukrainian party, he will take the maximum possible, if only because his opponents are not at all "devils in the flesh."
      1. PValery53
        PValery53 2 November 2013 16: 03
        +1
        According to their own classification, they, Western analysts, are shit in the flesh ...
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 2 November 2013 11: 46
    +1
    What is happening in the world now .. It is quite possible that Obama will soon fly to Moscow to sign up for the vehicle .. bully (and we’ll think about it ... but we’ll send humanitarian aid!))) Something I have in my mood today (my wife went to her mother-in-law .. here are all sorts of wild ideas and twigs ...))) Do not pay attention to men if that! fellow
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    1. cashpoint
      cashpoint 2 November 2013 12: 10
      -14 qualifying.
      No, most likely.




      By the way, in the military sphere everything seems to be defined.

      NATO begins the largest exercises in the last ten years in Poland and the Baltic states
      During the exercises, NATO troops will work to defend Estonia from aggression. They will be attended by servicemen from 25 countries, including the partners of the alliance - Finland, Sweden and Ukraine.

      http://zn.ua/WORLD/nato-nachinaet-samye-krupnye-za-poslednie-desyat-let-ucheniya
      -v-polshe-i-pribaltike-132122_.html
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 12: 44
        12
        Quote: cashpoint
        By the way, in the military sphere everything seems to be defined.

        Oh, Ukraine will conduct exercises with NATO, the pride will not be measured laughing By the way, are you there at the Oplot? wink
        Listen, it’s independent, but you’ve gathered in NATO, so don’t dream. There was Baratina alone, he’s a wooden natsik Pinokia, he dreamed about everything in NATO laughing
        1. cashpoint
          cashpoint 2 November 2013 15: 25
          -14 qualifying.
          Listen and preoccupied, you read what is written there. If you have something to think you will understand. And if you still look for information, you will find out that Ukraine more than 10 years ago concluded an agreement with NATO on an in-depth partnership, the text of which is not known to anyone, but the fact that Ukraine participates in these exercises along with other countries like Finland and Sweden, which also do not participate in NATO, but if something happens with NATO and NATO takes part in the defense of these countries, says much more than all the long-term fantasies-dreams of the public of this forum. And after Russia's "friendly" steps towards Ukraine, the opinion of Ukrainians is already rapidly changing in their awareness of who is really Ukraine's enemy. So it won't be a surprise if in the near future the majority of the population is in favor of joining NATO. The doors of which, according to the numerous and constant statements of the leadership of this bloc, are always open for Ukraine.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 15: 50
            +6
            Quote: cashpoint
            Listen and preoccupied, you read what is written there.

            Don’t worry, I looked at the picture, which you posted and mustache.
            Quote: cashpoint
            And after Russia's "friendly" steps towards Ukraine, the opinion of Ukrainians is already rapidly changing in the awareness of who is Ukraine's enemy in reality.

            Independent, it throws you in the wrong direction, but it’s already familiar. You want to go to the EU, go to the EU, you want to go to the NATO to NATO. By the way, for loans also to Brussels tongue
            Friendly Ukraine, will soon be perceived as a joke.
          2. 31231
            31231 2 November 2013 17: 01
            +3
            And after Russia's "friendly" steps towards Ukraine, the opinion of Ukrainians is already rapidly changing in the awareness of who is really Ukraine's enemy.


            So maybe you bother to justify the facts and calculations with what they salted you cursed oaths? And then the Jews are already trying to intervene for the Svidomo.
            1. In the reeds
              In the reeds 2 November 2013 18: 00
              -2
              Current you would think.
            2. Cristall
              Cristall 2 November 2013 20: 40
              +1
              on the site VO so-called "svidomity" do not appear .. They are generally a rarity. You all talk about them - and I, a Ukrainian, saw them only on TV (or rather YouTube) and never in my life.
              Again, scratch everything under one comb .... as a result, form the opposite impression with adequate people.
              Please do not fur all under the mythical "svidomites"
              1. 31231
                31231 2 November 2013 21: 05
                +2
                on the site VO so-called "svidomity" do not appear .. They are generally a rarity. You all talk about them - and I, a Ukrainian, saw them only on TV (or rather YouTube) and never in my life.


                I agree with you that I went too far with the Ukrainians present here, accusing Russia. But I can’t understand when people, not having studied the issue, blame Russia. That she sells gas at a high price, and who ever wondered how much Ukraine fought and fought for gas transit from Russia ?! Well, let them learn.
                Belarus and Kazakhstan are happy with the TS, but the Ukrainian authorities are very independent, afraid of launching other people's legarchs. Kazakhstan and Belarus are not afraid, and the Ukrainian authorities are afraid.
                I am violet your fate now, go wherever you want, but do not make yourself Ponti Pilates and blame Russia for your troubles.
          3. VADIMKRSK
            VADIMKRSK 2 November 2013 18: 05
            +3
            Will Rostov and Donetsk fight? Rave. Faster Lyakhov demolish ...
      2. SHILO
        SHILO 2 November 2013 16: 40
        +2
        cashpoint where did you find this vyser?!?! wassat

        PS The question is rhetorical - it does not require an answer.
      3. VADIMKRSK
        VADIMKRSK 2 November 2013 17: 59
        -2
        I like the photo ...
    2. Snoop
      Snoop 2 November 2013 12: 12
      +4
      laughing women with decision-making always have problems ... with the other, as they themselves say, a stranger ... always thicker laughing
  • Ddhal
    Ddhal 2 November 2013 11: 51
    +4
    Ukraine, unfortunately, is more and more like a large international training ground for developing political doctrines ..
    It is a great pity for the people who, by the will of fate, are forced to live in that village from "Wedding in Malinovka", in which "the power has changed again."
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 2 November 2013 12: 09
    +2
    Quote: DDHAL
    Ukraine, unfortunately, is more and more like a large international training ground for developing political doctrines ..
    It is a great pity for the people who, by the will of fate, are forced to live in that village from "Wedding in Malinovka", in which "the power has changed again."

    Yes, what is the training ground ...! People are poisoned and cut with a live scalpel ... It was so planned! Slavic brothers .. ??? Look how we see you .. under the hooting of geyevropy .. It's sad to watch all this .. of course But we do not leave our! This is definitely ..
  • Snoop
    Snoop 2 November 2013 12: 11
    +2
    I also think when looking at Putin that he knew in advance that Ukraine would not be accepted into the EU, most likely because of Merkel’s position.
  • Blondin nikonov
    Blondin nikonov 2 November 2013 12: 22
    +2
    We bought Vitya, as we bought our common Misha humpback, for his comfortable old age, relatives and minions, but this is only an assumption ...... Regards, guys ;-)
    1. Viktor1
      Viktor1 2 November 2013 12: 36
      +2
      Rather, for everything, our "valiant president", damn it, the phrase is like some kind of confusion, wants to get the support of the Western electorate before the elections. because in the east he has nothing to catch with his politics.
      1. bistrov.
        bistrov. 2 November 2013 20: 38
        +2
        Quote: Viktor1
        wants to get support of the western electorate before the elections

        What kind of "Western electorate" is there? Bandera's people hate him and will never vote for him, even if he is golden for them! They will vote for Tyagnibok, at least for Yatsenyuk. At the same time, Yanukovych has lost all his authority in the East of Ukraine with his Russophobic policy. He will no longer be helped by the administrative resource So in all likelihood Ukraine will have a different president in 2015. Who it is is still unclear.
  • HAM
    HAM 2 November 2013 12: 28
    +4
    It’s just that Yanukovych behaves like a girl, he wants to be coaxed, but he would break down a little, but when patience comes to an end, and the GDP is tired of it, the truth is that it’s not Yanukovych who is suffering, but the people of Ukraine.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 2 November 2013 12: 28
    +4
    It’s just that all normal people, this Ukrainian independent circus has already hesitated. Everything has long been clear. Who can leave to work in Europe, who cannot leave to work in Russia. Who can’t do anything will be left to relax and have fun.
  • Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 2 November 2013 12: 29
    +8
    I work on construction in Moscow, communicate with ordinary Ukrainians workers. Everyone understands that the country will be shitty, but hopes that he will then heal normally - he will go to Europe, he will lay a brick and earn good money.
    I think that only harsh reality can bring such people back to their minds. Therefore, we do not interfere. The head-on-the-table learning method is very effective. They will receive it, then we will help.
    If they come back.
  • Hauptam
    Hauptam 2 November 2013 12: 30
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I already wrote in the previous article .. This is a lot of running combination clearly! Ukraine at the very last moment will throw the EU and this entire gop company .. This will be another painful and targeted blow (God forbid that this be so)

    If so, then a brilliant combination of "all times and peoples"
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 2 November 2013 13: 03
      0
      I also hope so ...
  • Stamp
    Stamp 2 November 2013 12: 32
    +6
    No information campaign of Moscow on “holding Ukraine” is also observed.

    Russian channels are shown in Ukraine via satellite or in a cable network in a truncated version, but judging by the reports of the Olympic calm, there is no materials on Ukraine are present, as well as Putin or Medvedev consistently make statements for the press, it's just that Yanukovych apparently already got Putin with his inconsistency, starting in 2004, when Putin congratulated him on his election victory, and this "slug" lost his seat to Yushchenko, then the truth was Yushchenko's prime minister in 2006 and 2007, his alleged American protege, the allegedly "pro-Russian" Yanukovych, everything is already clear with this type.
    Warming between them was during the reign of Medvedev, everyone remembers the picture of how they drove around with Medvedev in "victories" or when they signed the Kharkov agreements. Putin has always kept his distance from Yanukovych.

    Aleksey Pushkov, our famous political scientist, recently announced that the headquarters for Ukraine’s European integration is ... the American embassy in Ukraine.

    The new US Ambassador to Ukraine Jeffrey Pyatt does not hide that he is to some extent the "coordinator" of Ukraine's movement along the European vector. Poland also helps a lot, being a lobbyist for Ukraine in the EU. In her view, the further the border of the "USSR" is, the calmer for Poland. Those. everyone there perfectly understands that Ukraine will not become a member of the EU, a certain buffer zone from Russia and the CU is needed.

    US ambassador talks about the benefits of an association agreement with the EU
    Association Agreement with the EU will give impetus to the development of the Ukrainian economy and the influx of investments
    The signing of the Association Agreement between Ukraine and the EU, which provides for the creation of a free trade zone, will give a significant impetus to the development of the Ukrainian economy, as well as the influx of investment in the country, said US Ambassador to Ukraine Jeffrey Payette.
    "The US strongly supports the signing of the Association Agreement and the strengthening of institutional relations with the EU," the ambassador said at the presentation of the annual analytical report of the American Chamber of Commerce in Ukraine in Kiev on Tuesday.


    http://www.segodnya.ua/politics/pnews/Posol-SSHA-rasskazal-o-preimushchestvah-so

    glashenie-ob-associacii-s-ES - 469568.html
  • HAM
    HAM 2 November 2013 12: 34
    +3
    Quote: Blondin Nikonov
    We bought Vitya, as we bought our common Misha humpback, for his comfortable old age, relatives and minions, but this is only an assumption ...... Regards, guys ;-)

    So this is not an assumption, this is the bitter truth ...
  • Blondin nikonov
    Blondin nikonov 2 November 2013 12: 42
    +3
    Well this is very sad when the head of state is a traitor and corrupt s.ko.tina ....
  • xxxMYSTICxxx
    xxxMYSTICxxx 2 November 2013 13: 06
    +2
    In my opinion, Ukraine will sign this agreement and Russia cannot stop it, and promises, blackmail and threats will look like weakness, because the choice has already been made. Europe will definitely ratify it, since they need new markets for products, and it is profitable for Germany itself. But the question is not even that, but what will happen next, because you can also terminate the association agreement.
  • optimist
    optimist 2 November 2013 13: 08
    -7
    Where does Putin's "Ukrainian" calmness come from? Elementary: obos. Rushed, - streamline silently ...
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 2 November 2013 13: 20
      +2
      The same opinion ...! bully
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 2 November 2013 16: 56
        0
        Quote: MIKHAN
        The same opinion ...!

        ... commendable.