Liman, Kupyansk, Kherson - then we are waiting for Melitopol?

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Liman, Kupyansk, Kherson - then we are waiting for Melitopol?

In order to understand and risk predicting what will happen next in our lives, what fateful decisions and turns are destined for us, Staver and I sat over the map for quite some time. Map - it allows you to think for a long time and sometimes come to unexpected decisions.

Here is a map of the region to which all eyes are riveted and for a long time hundreds of thousands of eyes will be looking at this part of the earth's surface. With different feelings.




Map TG rybar

Our task was to try to understand how events in this part of Ukraine and Russia can develop further.

So what do we have today:

1. Kherson abandoned, apparently, Novaya Kakhovka will also be abandoned, the defense line will pass somewhere 5 km from the coastline of the Dnieper.

This, on the one hand, is very reasonable, because according to the laws of nature in this world, the left bank of the Dnieper is categorically flat and low. Unlike the right bank. Accordingly, it will be very easy to fire at the left bank from the right bank, but in response ... However, here is a perfect repetition of what happened 80 years ago, so we see no point in discussing this again.

The withdrawal of Russian troops from the coastline is due to the fact that now at any moment the Ukrainians can bring down on the left bank all the power of the water accumulated in the Kakhovka reservoir. The action is one-time, not capable of bringing tangible results, but it will have to be reckoned with, because we have no doubt that the Ukrainians will be able to undermine the dam. They can undermine and undermine.

Because, regrettably, but the coastal line will remain empty and the Russian army will keep the defense at a safe distance. This creates a certain opportunity for forcing the Dnieper (especially in winter) by sabotage groups that will disturb the line of defense of the Russian troops and keep them in suspense.

The fact that the Ukrainians have perfectly learned to use highly mobile DRGs on lightly armored vehicles, I hope no one will argue.

In parallel, it should be noted that the undermining of the dam of the Kakhovka reservoir simultaneously with the flooding of the lower territories will create two more problems.

The first is the dehydration of the Crimean Canal, which will again create a tense water situation on the peninsula. However, this is not the main problem in the Crimea.

The second is leaving the cooling system of the Zaporozhye NPP without water. This is also not a very big problem, because VVER-1000 reactors can (and should be) shut down in a good way, and this is done much easier than the memorable RBMK. Yes, a bunch of cities and villages in Ukraine will be left without electricity, but the problem of an emergency at a nuclear power plant will not be so acute.


Map TG rybar

2. Kherson is no longer a defense hub, this is a node to advance. And, unfortunately, not Russian, but Ukrainian troops. Having a large city with its infrastructure behind us, it is possible and necessary to provide the army with everything that is needed: repair of equipment, treatment of the wounded and sick in city hospitals, rest of units during rotation.

Yes, it should be noted that the Armed Forces of Ukraine know what it is - rotation.

The promised strengthening of troops in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions should not be expected. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will simply not be allowed to do this, and if such a regrouping suddenly occurs, the data on this will immediately be at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine thanks to American satellites. Accordingly, a simply trivial attempt to attack in the direction of Skadovsk will begin with the creation of a simply gorgeous cauldron. Or defiantly to Armyansk, for hello, Crimea.

In any case, the situation is rather stalemate, Russia will not attack for a bunch of reasons already told by "experts", Ukraine does not really need this either, there is where to make efforts.

3. Николаев. You can also forget about ambitions for this city for the next year, because Sultan Erdogan clearly said that he needed Nikolaev ports for a grain deal. Therefore, we simply forget about Nikolaev, especially since after the loss of Kherson, this is really problematic.


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With regard to the Kinburn Spit, which will allegedly be handed over to ensure the security of the grain deal, from our point of view, this is too much. The MLRS placed on the spit will not help in any way in terms of sinking grain carriers, especially since from Ochakovo, which is under the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the entire spit is shot through simply luxuriously. There, the width of the bay is from 8 to 12 km, any artillery can handle it.

So those who speak on the topic that "Abandoning the Kinburn Spit for the sake of securing a grain deal - and Russia will be able to safely withdraw from the deal, because no one will notice anything" - these are people who are talking nonsense. Russia can indeed withdraw from the grain deal at any moment, and indeed no one will really notice anything, because the force that could impede the export of grain, namely the Black Sea Fleet, sits on bases in the Crimea. But this is a topic for a separate discussion.

In fact, the Kinburn Spit is nothing more than an attempt to wishful thinking. The real value of this place in military terms is small, but this does not mean that it should be left. Although in our country today almost all the objects and settlements left by Russia do not have any military value.

So the security of the grain deal for Ukraine is not guaranteed by the absence of Russia on the Kinburn Spit or the ships of the Black Sea fleet in the Odessa region, and the presence of Erdogan, who covers the deal.

We have dealt with the western direction, there will be no progress in the near future. We can't, the Ukrainians don't need it yet. But for now. Naturally, they will go to return their lands back, but only when they are told that it is time. Those who today coordinate and direct their actions.


Map TG rybar

4. In the east (or more precisely, in the northeast), we have another node under consideration for the offensive. Zaporozhye. No less serious knot than Kherson, moreover, not weakened by the evacuation actions of the Russian side. That is, we explain: there are workers in the factories, medical personnel in hospitals, the city is serviced, the infrastructure is being repaired, and all this is in much better condition than today in Kherson, from where about a hundred thousand residents fled.

And from Zaporozhye, as a supply hub (it is worth remembering that bridges and railways in Ukraine are inviolable for the Russian army), options for a further offensive on the territories under Russian control can be considered.

The front line runs in the Stepnogorsk-Orekhove region, so Zaporozhye, which is located 50 km to the north, is quite the rear. Kherson, for comparison, will be located 10 kilometers from the front end.

When this material is released, many bloggers and journalists will already speak on the topic of further developments. The names of different cities will be pronounced, among which there will certainly be Mariupol, Melitopol and Berdyansk.

Mariupol and Berdyansk can safely be put aside for now. They are not interesting, and Mariupol is also complicated due to the location of the DPR nearby, from whose troops you can easily get in the side.

Indeed, these settlements are of no particular value, either as points on the political or as points on the economic maps. Especially Mariupol, where we walked through the infrastructure with all our heart. Yes, restoration work is going on there in full, so it makes sense to wait until they are over and come to the ready, if possible.

Rђ RІRѕS, Melitopol… These are, as they say in Odessa, two very big differences.

First, it is the Russian center of the Zaporozhye region, which, according to the referendum, joined the Russian Federation. So the capture of Melitopol is another deafening slap in the face of Russia.

Second: the capture of Melitopol is a completely blocked so-called land route to the Crimea. Moreover, completely blocked, both by rail and by road.

Third. In military terms, everything is simply luxurious: Russian generals will not be able to transfer units from near Kherson simply because they will immediately receive a blow in the back, or, also quite an option, the attack on Melitopol will come from two directions, Zaporozhye and Kherson. And where the process goes better, there and develop success.

And it will not be easy to determine where the main blow will be, given our level of intelligence development. Although something tells us that Zaporozhye, almost untouched by the war, will still be more profitable.

By the way, the captive senior lieutenant of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Lepikhin also speaks in favor of our version, who seemed to have heard from instructors there that there would be an attack on the Kursk and Belgorod regions in winter. In fact, from our point of view, a distraction would be just fine. Yes, it will be easy (the Armed Forces of Ukraine can afford it, they have an army larger than the Russian one) to send a certain number of units to direct a nix with all sorts of special effects to the Russian border.

It is too early for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ukrainian authorities to really seize Russian lands until their own are liberated. But under the cover of such a maneuver, and even with stirrings near Kherson, it may work out.

Effects? Well, they're not really deadly. The territory cut in half, controlled by Russian troops, is not so bad. The western/Kherson part will be supplied from the Crimea and, if something happens, it will withdraw there according to the next regrouping plan. The eastern one will be supplied, as before, through the territories of the LDNR.

In fact, there will be another win, nothing more. The benefits of such an offensive will be more political than military, although in military terms, success can also be very significant. It's not that the Russian army will "crumble", but in our time, anything can happen.

Considering that behind all the “regroupings” and outright flight there are some strange gestures that are commonly called “agreements”, one should not be surprised. But look at the list of what started around the abandonment of Kherson:

- The US Treasury allows transactions for the operation of Russian diplomatic and consular missions;
- 20 tons of Russian fertilizers for Malawi were unblocked in the port of Rotterdam (Netherlands);
- The United States extended the permit for energy-related transactions with the largest banks in Russia and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation until May 15, 2023;
- The London Metal Exchange (LME) decided not to impose a ban on the supply of metals from Russia;
- The United States said it was waiting for signals of readiness for serious negotiations on Ukraine from Russia.
- The Russian Foreign Ministry has repeatedly stated that it is ready for negotiations with Kyiv without any conditions.

So Melitopol, by virtue of the above arguments, can easily become the subject of another deal. After all, now it is a subject of the Federation, a regional center of the Russian Federation. Nothing, in our opinion, is worse than Kherson or Nikolaev. So - everything is in order, the value has been announced, what will become the subject of the transaction is a separate issue. But the fact that in our time any city in that region can become a deal is indisputable.

Speaking essentially, apart from the horrendous political losses that Russia has suffered, from a military point of view, everything is not as sad as it might seem. However, there is one nuance: despite the “opinion of the military” shown to us, politicians and economists really rule this notorious NWO. There is more than enough evidence for this today.

Is it possible to win the started war of Russia? Yes, definitely. But for this it is necessary to drive politicians and oligarchs as far as possible from command and control and setting tasks. It is necessary to inflict damage on the enemy's infrastructure without regard to who receives income from it and who is the true owner of factories, roads, steamships ...
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  1. 0
    15 November 2022 23: 50
    the force that could complicate the export of grain, namely the Black Sea Fleet, is holed up at bases in Crimea.

    Well, what a force this is, compared to the Turkish fleet...
    Turkish covers Russian “like a bull covers a sheep”...
  2. +4
    15 November 2022 23: 53
    When the SVO began, a lot of “spaghetti” was used: the general clearly tried, the journalists lifted up in their reports to COVER the liberated toothless grandmothers, wrapped in rags. All this gradually faded away. Now in the morning news channels the presenters are excitedly shouting, HOW MANY arrivals are there in Donetsk and Lugansk... And why can’t those who shoot in the Kursk and Belgorod regions be silenced? THEY CAN'T OR THERE'S NOTHING? or is there no command to destroy? After all, they are already shooting at Russia. It became very disgusting.
  3. -1
    16 November 2022 02: 16
    Chief, everything is gone! The plaster is removed, the client leaves...
  4. +1
    16 November 2022 02: 19
    There is one idea why ours are retreating. It's not political. What if there is simply not enough ammunition for artillery?
    Otherwise, it is impossible for me to understand the need for assaults on fortified areas, if they can simply be sent back to the Stone Age with a fiery shaft of artillery...
    What not everyone tells us and explains is obvious. The Ukrainian army has 700000 bayonets, while ours, until recently, had no more than 200000.
    Our space reconnaissance and radio-electronic reconnaissance cannot be compared with NATO forces, as well as the speed, while the reconnaissance apparatus saw something before the moment when something was struck.
    From what is said in various blogs, Konashenkov, every day Ukrainians lose 100-200 people in the direction and 2-3 trucks, sometimes 1-2 armored personnel carriers. That is, with rare exceptions, there remained infantry and a certain amount of artillery.
    Why don't they use tank armies with flank coverage?
    In addition to the fact that their infantry is oversaturated with anti-tank weapons. Apparently we simply do not have the opportunity to assemble a strike force of 50000 and ensure its supply (I’m not ready to say why). And so it seems clear from the couch - you take their group into the cauldron, cutting off supply routes, but something like that doesn’t happen...
  5. 0
    16 November 2022 02: 32
    The lines of the International are also relevant today:
    .....
    Pretty blood suck vampires
    Prison, tax, poverty!
    For you - all the power, all the blessings of the World,
    And our right - the sound is empty.

    We will build life differently
    And here is our battle slogan:
    All power to the working people,
    And parasites of all - down!

    (Chorus)
    You are despicable in your wealth
    Coal and became kings!
    You are your thrones, parasites,
    On our backs erected!

    Factories, factories, chambers -
    Everything is created by our work.
    It's time! We demand a refund
    That which was taken by robbery.

    (Chorus)
    Enough for the kings to please
    Intoxicate us into a child of war!
    War on tyrants! Peace to the peoples!
    On strike, sons of the army!
    When will tyrants force us
    In battle, heroically fall for them,
    The killers! Then we will direct you
    We are the vents of battle guns.

    (Chorus)

    No one will give us deliverance:
    Neither god, nor king, nor hero.
    We will achieve liberation
    With his own hand.
    To overthrow oppressed by a skilled hand,
    Win back your goods
    Swell, forge, and forge boldly
    While the iron is hot!

    (Chorus)
    Only we, the workers of the world
    Great army of labor
    We have the right to own the Earth,
    But parasites never.

    And if the great thunder strikes
    Over a pack of dogs and executioners,
    For us, the sun will become the same
    Shine with the fire of your rays!
  6. +2
    16 November 2022 02: 44
    I believe that our reinforcements will begin a large-scale offensive with the defeat of the main enemy groups already in the New Year - January-February 2023. At least this should be the case - a human resource of 300000 will be prepared, coordinated and there will probably be a rotation of personnel units with vacations in November-December , and already in the new year there will be a big offensive.
    Otherwise, we will have to admit that our political leadership, and with it the army and navy, have screwed up all the polymers... Then the negotiations and the status quo are simply a shame. And the big question is in operation receiver 2.
  7. -1
    16 November 2022 13: 41
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    It’s a good wish, but we no longer have anything to inflict damage on the enemy.
    1. Tanks are running out, proof: the T-62 has to be put into action.
    2. The missiles are running out, proof: anti-aircraft missiles from the S-300 have to hit ground targets.
    3. We have already run out of drones, proof: we have to buy them from Iran.
    4. We cannot use attack aircraft throughout the entire depth of enemy territory, since the air defense in Ukraine has become even greater than it was before the North Military District.
    5. The fleet is also inactive, proof: the ships are locked in Sevastopal Bay and cannot go to sea.
    6. Intelligence (space, aviation and radio engineering) is not coping. Proof: the enemies openly and freely move columns of their troops and are not afraid of anything.


    1. Tanks are not running out. It’s just that the T-62 is easier and cheaper to use. Especially former militias. There are no “Prokhorovkas” in this conflict.
    2. For some objects it is really better to use missile defense systems. There are plenty of them, they are quite accurate, and there is no need to use them against Ukrainian aircraft, since there are very few Ukrainian aircraft. It makes perfect sense to use what you have on hand.
    3. Drones are not over, they are being used. But why not use Iranian ones if they are cheap and quite effective? There are no such thing as too many drones.
    4. Ukraine only has enough MANPADS. With everything else - not so hot, they are not able to cover their capital. The vaunted Western air defense systems also did not perform well, even against “mopeds”. We use attack aircraft to a limited extent because we conserve motor resources. And why, if there is a cheap alternative in the form of drones. Again, it’s an agreement, not all goals are available, according to the terms of the agreement (which are not publicly announced).
    5. The fleet simply has nothing to do in this conflict. It is capable of shelling Ukraine in the Kyrgyz Republic without leaving its bases, but even this has not been observed recently.
    6. I suspect it’s not about intelligence at all.
  8. +1
    16 November 2022 15: 45
    The next act of the Tuvan circus is the commissioning of the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant.
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  10. 0
    21 November 2022 15: 26
    Quote: Leontrotsky
    Well, with three meals a day you got excited)) and once is enough))

    Well, you're a jerk! You can't do this with people! Only three meals a day!
    Monday Wednesday Friday. And whoever fulfills the plan will also be given something on Sunday! /laughs/ :)
  11. 0
    21 November 2022 15: 27
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Then, it’s easier for GDP to show up in 404 for the presidential elections and lead the united country.

    So they will kill the person who showed up...
  12. 0
    23 November 2022 08: 04
    Our people there, in the General Staff and the Government, along with the aligarchs, would have long since “moved off” to the borders of 91. Surely, the “price” has already been agreed upon with the Americans.
    But!!!! There is a big BUT.
    It's not 1991 anymore. And the People still have an inoculation against the idiot Yeltsin.
    They are all sure that the People will probably take to the streets. And political scientists have long been frightening Americans that, after “Putin,” a “second Stalin” will definitely come to power (polls). And here you can’t cover yourself with plywood shields. And for all the liberals, there won’t be enough diapers.
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  14. -1
    23 November 2022 21: 59
    And not 5 km, but much more of the southern territory will be flooded when the dam is blown up and Crimea will be without water, and then the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant will not be able to hold on, just like Melitopol and until spring Mariupol. All this was not foreseen during the surrender of Kherson. And all because in the Moscow Region they cannot read maps horizontally and those who make such decisions never go out on the ground. The question is whether they will hold Crimea without the right bank of the Dnieper. If the Ukrainian Armed Forces are not exhausted and reserves arrive, then in this direction - a complete arctic fox without help from other directions which today simply do not exist. At Stalingrad in November 1942, if the right bank had been given up like Kherson is today - so we lost the war
  15. 0
    24 November 2022 00: 08
    One more paragraph is missing - is it necessary to win what Russia has started? somehow the article looks unfinished - what are the goals for which we need to continue - are the old ones left or the new ones approved? Moreover, the readiness for negotiations without preconditions is clearly not for the sake of continuing the combat mission. Or it must be continued according to military logic - until the ammunition storage period has expired....
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