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Liman, Kupyansk, Kherson - then we are waiting for Melitopol?

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Liman, Kupyansk, Kherson - then we are waiting for Melitopol?

In order to understand and risk predicting what will happen next in our lives, what fateful decisions and turns are destined for us, Staver and I sat over the map for quite some time. Map - it allows you to think for a long time and sometimes come to unexpected decisions.


Here is a map of the region to which all eyes are riveted and for a long time hundreds of thousands of eyes will be looking at this part of the earth's surface. With different feelings.


Map TG rybar

Our task was to try to understand how events in this part of Ukraine and Russia can develop further.

So what do we have today:

1. Kherson abandoned, apparently, Novaya Kakhovka will also be abandoned, the defense line will pass somewhere 5 km from the coastline of the Dnieper.

This, on the one hand, is very reasonable, because according to the laws of nature in this world, the left bank of the Dnieper is categorically flat and low. Unlike the right bank. Accordingly, it will be very easy to fire at the left bank from the right bank, but in response ... However, here is a perfect repetition of what happened 80 years ago, so we see no point in discussing this again.

The withdrawal of Russian troops from the coastline is due to the fact that now at any moment the Ukrainians can bring down on the left bank all the power of the water accumulated in the Kakhovka reservoir. The action is one-time, not capable of bringing tangible results, but it will have to be reckoned with, because we have no doubt that the Ukrainians will be able to undermine the dam. They can undermine and undermine.

Because, regrettably, but the coastal line will remain empty and the Russian army will keep the defense at a safe distance. This creates a certain opportunity for forcing the Dnieper (especially in winter) by sabotage groups that will disturb the line of defense of the Russian troops and keep them in suspense.

The fact that the Ukrainians have perfectly learned to use highly mobile DRGs on lightly armored vehicles, I hope no one will argue.

In parallel, it should be noted that the undermining of the dam of the Kakhovka reservoir simultaneously with the flooding of the lower territories will create two more problems.

The first is the dehydration of the Crimean Canal, which will again create a tense water situation on the peninsula. However, this is not the main problem in the Crimea.

The second is leaving the cooling system of the Zaporozhye NPP without water. This is also not a very big problem, because VVER-1000 reactors can (and should be) shut down in a good way, and this is done much easier than the memorable RBMK. Yes, a bunch of cities and villages in Ukraine will be left without electricity, but the problem of an emergency at a nuclear power plant will not be so acute.


Map TG rybar

2. Kherson is no longer a defense hub, this is a node to advance. And, unfortunately, not Russian, but Ukrainian troops. Having a large city with its infrastructure behind us, it is possible and necessary to provide the army with everything that is needed: repair of equipment, treatment of the wounded and sick in city hospitals, rest of units during rotation.

Yes, it should be noted that the Armed Forces of Ukraine know what it is - rotation.

The promised strengthening of troops in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions should not be expected. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will simply not be allowed to do this, and if such a regrouping suddenly occurs, the data on this will immediately be at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine thanks to American satellites. Accordingly, a simply trivial attempt to attack in the direction of Skadovsk will begin with the creation of a simply gorgeous cauldron. Or defiantly to Armyansk, for hello, Crimea.

In any case, the situation is rather stalemate, Russia will not attack for a bunch of reasons already told by "experts", Ukraine does not really need this either, there is where to make efforts.

3. Николаев. You can also forget about ambitions for this city for the next year, because Sultan Erdogan clearly said that he needed Nikolaev ports for a grain deal. Therefore, we simply forget about Nikolaev, especially since after the loss of Kherson, this is really problematic.


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With regard to the Kinburn Spit, which will allegedly be handed over to ensure the security of the grain deal, from our point of view, this is too much. The MLRS placed on the spit will not help in any way in terms of sinking grain carriers, especially since from Ochakovo, which is under the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the entire spit is shot through simply luxuriously. There, the width of the bay is from 8 to 12 km, any artillery can handle it.

So those who speak on the topic that "Abandoning the Kinburn Spit for the sake of securing a grain deal - and Russia will be able to safely withdraw from the deal, because no one will notice anything" - these are people who are talking nonsense. Russia can indeed withdraw from the grain deal at any moment, and indeed no one will really notice anything, because the force that could impede the export of grain, namely the Black Sea Fleet, sits on bases in the Crimea. But this is a topic for a separate discussion.

In fact, the Kinburn Spit is nothing more than an attempt to wishful thinking. The real value of this place in military terms is small, but this does not mean that it should be left. Although in our country today almost all the objects and settlements left by Russia do not have any military value.

So the security of the grain deal for Ukraine is not guaranteed by the absence of Russia on the Kinburn Spit or the ships of the Black Sea fleet in the Odessa region, and the presence of Erdogan, who covers the deal.

We have dealt with the western direction, there will be no progress in the near future. We can't, the Ukrainians don't need it yet. But for now. Naturally, they will go to return their lands back, but only when they are told that it is time. Those who today coordinate and direct their actions.


Map TG rybar

4. In the east (or more precisely, in the northeast), we have another node under consideration for the offensive. Zaporozhye. No less serious knot than Kherson, moreover, not weakened by the evacuation actions of the Russian side. That is, we explain: there are workers in the factories, medical personnel in hospitals, the city is serviced, the infrastructure is being repaired, and all this is in much better condition than today in Kherson, from where about a hundred thousand residents fled.

And from Zaporozhye, as a supply hub (it is worth remembering that bridges and railways in Ukraine are inviolable for the Russian army), options for a further offensive on the territories under Russian control can be considered.

The front line runs in the Stepnogorsk-Orekhove region, so Zaporozhye, which is located 50 km to the north, is quite the rear. Kherson, for comparison, will be located 10 kilometers from the front end.

When this material is released, many bloggers and journalists will already speak on the topic of further developments. The names of different cities will be pronounced, among which there will certainly be Mariupol, Melitopol and Berdyansk.

Mariupol and Berdyansk can safely be put aside for now. They are not interesting, and Mariupol is also complicated due to the location of the DPR nearby, from whose troops you can easily get in the side.

Indeed, these settlements are of no particular value, either as points on the political or as points on the economic maps. Especially Mariupol, where we walked through the infrastructure with all our heart. Yes, restoration work is going on there in full, so it makes sense to wait until they are over and come to the ready, if possible.

Rђ RІRѕS, Melitopol… These are, as they say in Odessa, two very big differences.

First, it is the Russian center of the Zaporozhye region, which, according to the referendum, joined the Russian Federation. So the capture of Melitopol is another deafening slap in the face of Russia.

Second: the capture of Melitopol is a completely blocked so-called land route to the Crimea. Moreover, completely blocked, both by rail and by road.

Third. In military terms, everything is simply luxurious: Russian generals will not be able to transfer units from near Kherson simply because they will immediately receive a blow in the back, or, also quite an option, the attack on Melitopol will come from two directions, Zaporozhye and Kherson. And where the process goes better, there and develop success.

And it will not be easy to determine where the main blow will be, given our level of intelligence development. Although something tells us that Zaporozhye, almost untouched by the war, will still be more profitable.

By the way, the captive senior lieutenant of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Lepikhin also speaks in favor of our version, who seemed to have heard from instructors there that there would be an attack on the Kursk and Belgorod regions in winter. In fact, from our point of view, a distraction would be just fine. Yes, it will be easy (the Armed Forces of Ukraine can afford it, they have an army larger than the Russian one) to send a certain number of units to direct a nix with all sorts of special effects to the Russian border.

It is too early for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ukrainian authorities to really seize Russian lands until their own are liberated. But under the cover of such a maneuver, and even with stirrings near Kherson, it may work out.

Effects? Well, they're not really deadly. The territory cut in half, controlled by Russian troops, is not so bad. The western/Kherson part will be supplied from the Crimea and, if something happens, it will withdraw there according to the next regrouping plan. The eastern one will be supplied, as before, through the territories of the LDNR.

In fact, there will be another win, nothing more. The benefits of such an offensive will be more political than military, although in military terms, success can also be very significant. It's not that the Russian army will "crumble", but in our time, anything can happen.

Considering that behind all the “regroupings” and outright flight there are some strange gestures that are commonly called “agreements”, one should not be surprised. But look at the list of what started around the abandonment of Kherson:

- The US Treasury allows transactions for the operation of Russian diplomatic and consular missions;
- 20 tons of Russian fertilizers for Malawi were unblocked in the port of Rotterdam (Netherlands);
- The United States extended the permit for energy-related transactions with the largest banks in Russia and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation until May 15, 2023;
- The London Metal Exchange (LME) decided not to impose a ban on the supply of metals from Russia;
- The United States said it was waiting for signals of readiness for serious negotiations on Ukraine from Russia.
- The Russian Foreign Ministry has repeatedly stated that it is ready for negotiations with Kyiv without any conditions.

So Melitopol, by virtue of the above arguments, can easily become the subject of another deal. After all, now it is a subject of the Federation, a regional center of the Russian Federation. Nothing, in our opinion, is worse than Kherson or Nikolaev. So - everything is in order, the value has been announced, what will become the subject of the transaction is a separate issue. But the fact that in our time any city in that region can become a deal is indisputable.

Speaking essentially, apart from the horrendous political losses that Russia has suffered, from a military point of view, everything is not as sad as it might seem. However, there is one nuance: despite the “opinion of the military” shown to us, politicians and economists really rule this notorious NWO. There is more than enough evidence for this today.

Is it possible to win the started war of Russia? Yes, definitely. But for this it is necessary to drive politicians and oligarchs as far as possible from command and control and setting tasks. It is necessary to inflict damage on the enemy's infrastructure without regard to who receives income from it and who is the true owner of factories, roads, steamships ...
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    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 15 November 2022 05: 25
      +44
      Quote from DimCorvus
      Ukraine uses DRGs not because it knows how to use them, but because Ukraine does not have an army.

      what nonsense...if Ukraine does not have an army, then we have five times less.
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      2. 28st region
        28st region 15 November 2022 09: 09
        +71
        From the statement that Ukraine does not have an army, the question follows smoothly - If they do not have an army, then why are we retreating?
        1. Zoer
          Zoer 15 November 2022 11: 14
          +24
          Quote: 28st region
          From the statement that Ukraine does not have an army, the question follows smoothly - If they do not have an army, then why are we retreating?

          As it turned out, Ukraine has an army, of course. And not badly trained by NATO. But we are retreating not because of this, but because the political elites have decided so. They do not need a victory in Ukraine, they need to keep the vertical, with the minimum possible changes, and better without them at all. Therefore, all these agreements and regroupings with good will. This is already more than obvious.
          1. zenion
            zenion 15 November 2022 15: 43
            +5
            Why dragged NATO? Specialists could perfectly train her, at a time when there were still hugs with Russia. Literally until the very moment when they realized in Ukraine that beating Russia is much more profitable than fighting NATO because Russia is close, and not beyond the three seas. In addition, they realized that those who could break them did not exist for a long time. They can come and kill everyone with their sword. It was necessary to think of making battalions out of divisions, companies out of regiments, and slaves out of people.
          2. guest
            guest 16 November 2022 23: 29
            +2
            Quote: Zoer
            they need to keep the vertical, with the least possible changes, and better without them at all.

            And how will they retain power in case of defeat?
            1. Zoer
              Zoer 17 November 2022 09: 13
              +6
              Quote: guest
              And how will they retain power in case of defeat?

              Well, so we have VVshnikov, MVDshnikov, FSBshnikov and other FSO-SK many times more than the RF Armed Forces. Yes, and Skabeev and Solovyov will feed anything to the broad masses. I personally know people who still sincerely believe that the regroupings in Kharkov and Kherson are brilliant plans for the great, and the NWO is still going according to plan.
              Well, from history. After the defeat by Japan, the tsarist regime still existed for more than 10 years. Well, our elites are simply not capable of deeper planning. Live one day, temporary workers. If only now to snatch, grab, and tomorrow, even if the grass does not grow ...
              1. guest
                guest 17 November 2022 14: 54
                +1
                I am not talking here about the possibility of a repetition of 1917, but about the fact that in the event of a defeat, enemy troops will be in Moscow. We saw how our enemies crack down on rulers they don’t like in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya, and no statements about old friendship have yet saved anyone.
                1. Zoer
                  Zoer 17 November 2022 15: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: guest
                  but that in the event of a defeat, enemy troops will be in Moscow.

                  Ah, well, no, such a scenario is incredible, thanks to the ancestors for technological breakthroughs and a nuclear shield. There is already a nuclear war, if only, without winners.
                  In this case, even the withdrawal of troops to positions on February 24.02.2022, XNUMX will be a defeat.
                  1. guest
                    guest 17 November 2022 19: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: Zoer
                    In this case, even the withdrawal of troops to positions on February 24.02.2022, XNUMX will be a defeat.

                    Yes, but the enemy will not stop there, and they openly talk about it.
                    1. Zoer
                      Zoer 17 November 2022 20: 14
                      0
                      Quote: guest
                      Yes, but the enemy will not stop there and they openly talk about it

                      So this world will end.
                      1. guest
                        guest 17 November 2022 20: 24
                        +5
                        Well, I don’t know until the enemy calmly crossed all the red lines, and our answer was at best an expression of concern.
                      2. Zoer
                        Zoer 17 November 2022 21: 51
                        0
                        Quote: guest
                        Well, I don’t know until the enemy calmly crossed all the red lines, and our answer was at best an expression of concern.

                        As soon as our rulers feel a threat to their personal safety, things will be very different.
                      3. guest
                        guest 17 November 2022 21: 57
                        +2
                        I doubt that the West, compared to us, does not throw words into the wind, and if it fights, it fights like that. They would have finished off Zelensky not only in Kherson, but also in Izyum.
                      4. Zoer
                        Zoer 17 November 2022 22: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: guest
                        I doubt that the West, compared to us, does not throw words into the wind, and if it fights, it fights like that. They would have finished off Zelensky not only in Kherson, but also in Izyum.

                        Not in any way justifying our rulers, but for the sake of justice ...
                        Americans from Afghanistan draped very enchantingly, moreover, from the hicks on mopeds with Kalash ... laughing
              2. Ryusei
                Ryusei 18 November 2022 10: 31
                -6
                And why should I believe the alarmist provocateurs and cowardly jackals, and not Solovyov, why are they better?
          3. Dingo
            Dingo 22 November 2022 11: 38
            0
            but because the political elites decided so. They do not need a victory in Ukraine, they need to keep the vertical, with the minimum possible changes, and better without them at all. Therefore, all these agreements and regroupings with good will. This is already more than obvious.

            Quite right. They don't hide their "selfish" interests anymore.
            Little of. Surovikin also became objectionable to them.

            https://thisnews.ru/2022/11/21/neydobnyi-general-syrovikin-vyskazal-vsu-pravdy/
            What else to expect from this "camarilla"? If the "parquet" from their impunity descend to the level of gopniks from the 90s?

            In Moscow, the 235th garrison military court placed Colonel Ivan Mertvishchev, an employee of the main organizational and mobilization department of the General Staff, under house arrest for two months, Kommersant writes, citing sources.

            According to the newspaper, in connection with the conscription that began in November, Mertvishchev planned to check the joint military commissariat, which includes the districts of Ramenki, Dorogomilovo, Vernadsky Avenue, Troparevo-Nikulino, Ochakovo-Matveevskoye of the Western Administrative District of Moscow.

            A week before the check, the colonel contacted the military commissar of the UWC, informed about the upcoming check, indicated that, according to his information, the situation with the recruitment of recruits in the military enlistment office was bad, and promised to find fault even if the documentation was in a normal state. Mertvishchev, according to the source of the newspaper, also noted that such a situation would negatively affect the reputation of the leadership of the military enlistment office and the career of the military commissar, and offered to solve the problems by buying a washing machine worth at least 70 thousand rubles for him.

            Read more at RBC:
            https://www.rbc.ru/society/22/11/2022/637c4c299a794754f825f236
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      3. skeptic
        skeptic 15 November 2022 11: 03
        +29
        Quote: Aerodrome
        what nonsense...if Ukraine does not have an army, then we have five times less.

        We have a thieves' godfather who will hand over any army in size. If the "Abramoviches" begin to lift sanctions, then soon we will see "having no army" in the Rostov region. One hope is that God will save Russia from internal and external enemies. Unfortunately, the liquidation management recruited under EBN (under the supervision of the CIA) did its job. "Development of the army, industry" is more like "whipping a pillow", when information fluff and feathers, single samples, fly to the sides, without real development of the military-industrial complex, the machine tool industry. Constant noise about sometime, in the future, something new will appear ... years pass, a new noise begins, with the previous "samples" being spoiled. All this is too similar to "cooking a frog (of Russia), on a slow fire."
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 15 November 2022 13: 36
          +14
          Is it possible to win the started war of Russia? Yes, definitely. But for this it is necessary to drive politicians and oligarchs as far as possible from command and control and setting tasks. It is necessary to inflict damage on the enemy's infrastructure without regard to who receives income from it and who is the true owner of factories, roads, steamships ...

          Question: how is this possible to implement in a kleptocratic state? Please, point by point. yes
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 16 November 2022 10: 55
            +3
            Question: how is this possible to implement in a kleptocratic state? Please, point by point. yes
            Yes, that joke made me laugh too! I just laughed heartily.
        2. zenion
          zenion 15 November 2022 15: 49
          +2
          skeptic. God saves the smart. God has nothing to do with fools. In addition, the temple built in honor of Yeltsin has nothing to do with God, it does not even touch the corner. Now we need to pray not to God, but to Yeltsin, let him get up and help. Or let him take those who pray to him to him.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 15 November 2022 16: 39
            +11
            "God has nothing to do with fools. In addition, the temple built in honor of Yeltsin has nothing to do with God" ...
            Who is Satan dealing with then? In fact, capitalism in its current form under the United States is Satanism, with the cult of money and the morality of consumers.
            Judging by who makes the weather in our politics, with the commitment of the Russian government to capitalism, our government decides little, Russia is ruled by oligarchs who are already under the influence of their world master of capitalism, the United States, if you like, Satan.
            The picture is that Russian oligarchs have not only so-called agents of foreign influence, but also CIA agents recruited long before they took up their positions in Russia.

            Here is the answer, to the statements in the article, - "But for this it is necessary to drive politicians and oligarchs as far as possible from command and control and setting tasks." This is practically impossible to do in capitalist Russia, socialism is needed.
    2. fa2998
      fa2998 15 November 2022 06: 05
      +43
      Quote from DimCorvus
      but because Ukraine has no army.

      Whether or not, but what is there is going well. And ours (2 in the world), with unparalleled weapons, is engaged in "regrouping". wassat hi
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 15 November 2022 06: 43
        +35
        because the fact that the Ukrainians will be able to undermine the dam, we have no doubt at all. They can undermine and undermine.

        Maybe someone will explain why it was impossible to organize a discharge of water during all this time, and then blow up part of the dam to hell, so that it would not be possible to accumulate this water with khikhlam?
        No, I never really believed in the genius of our generals, but now I just don’t believe in some kind of mind ...
        1. Civil
          Civil 15 November 2022 07: 09
          +14
          On the morning of 15.11.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX, all the arguments of Roman and Alexander, let's say, become even more relevant.
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        2. Nemorum
          Nemorum 15 November 2022 07: 26
          +13
          Resets have been and are being done regularly. There are daily measurements of the water level in the Dnieper. But don't drop all the weight at once.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 15 November 2022 07: 42
            +1
            Quote from Nemorum
            There are daily measurements of the water level in the Dnieper. But don't drop all the weight at once.

            But Zhirinovsky proposed to cut off the water in the upper reaches of the Dnieper, since it originates in the Russian Federation, then everyone would have jumped!
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 15 November 2022 08: 25
              -13
              Quote: Egoza
              But Zhirinovsky proposed to cut off the water in the upper reaches of the Dnieper, since it originates in the Russian Federation, then everyone would have jumped!

              Correctly suggested, I spoke even then (when they wanted to set the price for water from the Dnieper to the Crimea for Russia), about the need to dig a canal from the Dnieper in Belarus to the Volga. By the way, it would not be bad to attract all those who escaped and returned to this work. If you don’t want to or can’t, fight - pick up your hands, dig a canal, we will provide three meals a day.
              1. Leontrotsky
                Leontrotsky 15 November 2022 13: 00
                +1
                Well, with three meals a day you got excited)) and once is enough))
              2. Monster_Fat
                Monster_Fat 15 November 2022 13: 40
                +7
                O! Boris! (accent on the first syllable). Will you be in the forefront there, so to speak, by a personal example with a pick and a shovel? Or continue to offer "victorious" ideas and with the icon of the "sunny" bless the electorate for exploits, from some cozy and warm place?
            2. BAI
              BAI 15 November 2022 09: 56
              +10
              Zhirinovsky suggested cutting off the water in the upper reaches of the Dnieper, since it originates in the Russian Federation, then everyone would have jumped!

              From Russia, the Dnieper first enters Belarus and only then - to Ukraine. By blocking the Dnieper in Russia, Belarus would be the first to suffer. And the entire volume of the Dnieper is gaining on the tributaries of Belarus.
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 15 November 2022 10: 05
                -10
                Quote: BAI
                By blocking the Dnieper in Russia, Belarus would be the first to suffer. And the entire volume of the Dnieper is gaining on the tributaries of Belarus.

                Here Belarus would have 1 - helped, 2 - the Dnieper is not the main river there. Would get out.
            3. Zoer
              Zoer 15 November 2022 11: 25
              +9
              Quote: Egoza
              But Zhirinovsky proposed to cut off the water in the upper reaches of the Dnieper, since it originates in the Russian Federation, then everyone would have jumped!

              You, along with Zhirinovsky, are still those hydrologists and geographers. The Dnieper Dina is 2200 km, 1100 of which flows through the territory 404. The Dnieper basin is half a million square kilometers, i.e. Ukraine accounts for a quarter of a million square kilometers. What are you going to block there? wassat
              1. Adrey
                Adrey 15 November 2022 21: 53
                +4
                Quote: Zoer
                You, along with Zhirinovsky, are still those hydrologists and geographers. The Dnieper Dina is 2200 km, 1100 of which flows through the territory 404. The Dnieper basin is half a million square kilometers, i.e. Ukraine accounts for a quarter of a million square kilometers. What are you going to block there?

                And just this is the whole of the deceased (well, his quoters) laughing.
                The main thing is to shout very loudly so that they would be heard far and clearly. As it is, it really doesn't matter. Behind the volume of the slogan, objective comments simply will not be heard. Populism in all its glory request
                True, the deceased never forgot to take his "small share" from the slogans hi
                1. Zoer
                  Zoer 15 November 2022 22: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: Adrey
                  The main thing is to shout very loudly so that they would be heard far and clearly. As it is, it really doesn't matter. Behind the volume of the slogan, objective comments simply will not be heard. Populism in all its glory

                  And so we sip to the fullest. The commander-in-chief muddied all this NWO on a wave of populism and urya slogans. And now ... Yes xs what now. But the people of Russia will definitely not be sweet.
                  1. Wizzzard
                    Wizzzard 16 November 2022 13: 51
                    +1
                    "The people of Russia will definitely not be sweet." Well, yes, there will be no halva in the mouth, that's for sure. But after all, the people fell for a divorce, and even like: "But now everyone is afraid of us!" (Nothing that not all, and especially now?)
          2. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 15 November 2022 08: 24
            +12
            Quote from Nemorum
            But don't drop all the weight at once.
            What, and for a week it is impossible, even for a couple of weeks? This is not the audience of the first channel, no need to sell nonsense ...
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 15 November 2022 10: 46
              -5
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              This is not the audience of the first channel

              laughing It's even worse here! Upstream there are two more hydroelectric power stations, from which the Ukrainians are intensively discharging water ... why?
              Fingers are not yet tired of fighting with Russia?
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 15 November 2022 11: 14
                +4
                Quote: Serg65
                It's even worse here!
                Who are you alluding to?
                Quote: Serg65
                Upstream there are two more hydroelectric power stations, from which the Ukrainians are intensively discharging water ... why?
                Maybe so, I believe, but I will ask, but for what, in your opinion? Maybe to support the dam below even more with water?
                Quote: Serg65
                Fingers are not yet tired of fighting with Russia?
                If you wrote this nonsense about me, then where is the harm to Russia in my words7 In the fact that I strongly disapprove of the strange um, the conduct of the NWO?
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 15 November 2022 12: 12
                  -3
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  and for what, in your opinion?

                  To fill the Crimean Canal, they say now in the Crimea the rice harvest is magnificent!
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  The fact that I strongly disapprove of the strange um, the conduct of the NWO?

                  Was it necessary to throw hundreds of thousands of bayonets into the offensive and get a gold star for it?
        3. solar
          solar 15 November 2022 09: 59
          -1
          The generals have nothing to do with it, just the topic of dumping water and undermining the dam is frankly far-fetched. The Ukrainians will not undermine the dam, this is nonsense, it simply will not work, at most it will flood the floodplains for a while.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 15 November 2022 10: 39
            +3
            Quote from solar
            The Ukrainians will not undermine the dam, this is nonsense, it simply will not work, at most it will flood the floodplains for a while.

            This "for some time" would completely interrupt the supply of Kherson as a springboard even with amphibious means of the PTS type, and this is the main reason for leaving the city. But of course there are more questions to the leadership than to the generals.
            1. solar
              solar 15 November 2022 10: 50
              +4
              It's about the current situation.
              And then the supply would be interrupted for a maximum of a couple of days, then everything was restored. The measure is completely ineffective.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 15 November 2022 11: 18
                -2
                Quote from solar
                And then the supply would be interrupted for a maximum of a couple of days, then everything was restored. The measure is completely ineffective.

                You seem to be confusing flooding from a downpour with flooding after a dam burst ...
                Quote from solar
                It's about the current situation.
                And I'm talking about why they allegedly abandoned the city.
                1. solar
                  solar 15 November 2022 19: 16
                  0
                  The water drop at the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station is relatively small, it is far from the Dneproges, for example, or even more so not Sayano-Shushenskaya.
                  Immediately behind the dam is a very wide floodplain valley of the Dnieper - plavni - (and the Dnieper itself is almost a kilometer wide). Maximum plavni will flood for a while.
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 16 November 2022 03: 36
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                    Quote from solar
                    Immediately behind the dam is a very wide floodplain valley of the Dnieper - plavni - (and the Dnieper itself is almost a kilometer wide). Maximum plavni will flood for a while.

                    The left bank is LOW and it gets flooded. And this is a supply disruption, because the piers were washed away, and if not washed away, then the paths to them are flooded / washed out. And yes, they were shot. And for some time, not one day, and not even one week.
              2. flicker
                flicker 15 November 2022 17: 29
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                It's about the current situation.
                And then the supply would be interrupted for a maximum of a couple of days, then everything was restored. The measure is completely ineffective.

                On the Kherson sector of the front: where is it easier for us to keep the defense on the left bank of the Dnieper or on the right?
                ---
                And our task now is to defend ourselves, to accumulate the necessary potential for offensive operations. And defend in such a way as not to waste offensive potential in defense.
                ---
                Of course, the very fact of leaving Kherson is a military-political failure. But this unpopular measure (called "difficult decision") was dictated by something future.
                In any case, it will be possible to judge this decision only after the lapse of time.
                1. solar
                  solar 15 November 2022 19: 17
                  -1
                  On the Kherson sector of the front: where is it easier for us to keep the defense on the left bank of the Dnieper or on the right?

                  On the right. If they attack from the left bank.
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 16 November 2022 03: 30
                    +1
                    Quote from solar
                    On the right. If they attack from the left bank.

                    And now how to beat off RIGHT-Bank Kherson?
                2. Mikhail Ya2
                  Mikhail Ya2 15 November 2022 19: 36
                  +3
                  According to all the canons of conducting a database, defense requires three times less forces than attackers. How could the Russian army, having 30000 against 60000, not be able to hold the defense, which was built in 3 rows, according to the RF Ministry of Defense, on the right bank?
                  1. solar
                    solar 15 November 2022 21: 03
                    -1
                    But it wasn't attacked from the left bank.
                    The troops were withdrawn because there was a threat of encirclement. Retreating is bad, but if 30 thousand were in the boiler, it would be a disaster. And there were all the prerequisites for the boiler due to the specifics of the area - in fact, one working bridge on the dam. Cut it - and the troops would be doomed in a bag. And for this it would not be necessary to fight along the entire perimeter of the bridgehead.
                    1. Mikhail Ya2
                      Mikhail Ya2 15 November 2022 22: 54
                      +3
                      If in a couple of days they were able to withdraw 30000 people and 3,5 thousand equipment through the crossings, then they could continue to supply the necessary in the opposite direction. They simply do not know how or do not want to fight, take responsibility
                      1. Alexander M_2
                        Alexander M_2 15 November 2022 23: 16
                        0
                        taken out quietly for 2 weeks, not a couple of days
                    2. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 16 November 2022 03: 32
                      +1
                      Quote from solar
                      The troops were withdrawn because there was a threat of encirclement.

                      That's how you can surround the city on the banks of the river? Explain. It can be shelled, it is possible to shell the crossings, but how to surround it?
            2. Zoer
              Zoer 15 November 2022 22: 40
              +2
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              This "for some time" would completely interrupt the supply of Kherson as a springboard even with amphibious means of the PTS type, and this is the main reason for leaving the city. But of course there are more questions to the leadership than to the generals.

              It's just fantasy. Through the same Kakhovskaya GRES, everything was perfectly supplied. And in principle there can be no flooding there, as well as the high right bank of Kherson
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 16 November 2022 03: 26
                -1
                Quote: Zoer
                Through the same Kakhovskaya GRES, everything was perfectly supplied. And in principle there can be no flooding there, as well as the high right bank of Kherson

                Those. There was no way to defend Kherson, but is the hydroelectric power station easy? Is that why the bridge was blown up there?

                Quote: Zoer
                And in principle there can be no flooding there, as well as the high right bank of Kherson
                It is this fantasy, because the left bank is LOW, and it is flooded. And this is a supply disruption, because the piers were washed away, and if not washed away, then the paths to them are flooded / washed out. And yes, they were shot.
                1. Zoer
                  Zoer 16 November 2022 09: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Those. There was no way to defend Kherson, but is the hydroelectric power station easy? Is that why the bridge was blown up there?

                  New Kakhovka is still ours. The bridge was blown up, because they left for the Dnieper. Do not confuse causes with effects.

                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  It is this fantasy, because the left bank is LOW, and it is flooded.

                  In the area of ​​Kakhovskaya GRES, the banks are at the same level, and it is higher than the level of the reservoir. Don't make up lies.
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 16 November 2022 09: 42
                    0
                    Quote: Zoer
                    New Kakhovka is still ours. The bridge was blown up, because they left for the Dnieper. Do not confuse causes with effects.
                    And what does this have to do with these words?
                    Quote: Zoer
                    Through the same Kakhovskaya GRES, everything was perfectly supplied

                    We are talking about Kherson in general.
                    Quote: Zoer
                    In the area of ​​Kakhovskaya GRES, the banks are at the same level, and it is higher than the level of the reservoir. Don't make up lies.
                    You seem to have little idea of ​​what is at stake. About the supply of Kherson through the Dnieper in the event of its defense! And there is the left bank BELOW!
                    1. Zoer
                      Zoer 16 November 2022 09: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      And what does this have to do with these words?

                      And so that they left it on purpose, and not out of hopelessness.
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      We are talking about Kherson in general.
                      You seem to have little idea of ​​what is at stake. About the supply of Kherson through the Dnieper in the event of its defense! And there is the left bank BELOW!

                      Look at the map. From the state district power station and the bridge in Novaya Kakhovka to Kherson, 55 km along the highway. From a problem to a problem, 40 minutes on a Kamaz, an hour on an armored personnel carrier.
                      Look at the flood map too. There are no problems with supplying Kherson through the Kakhovskaya GRES, even if the left bank is flooded below the GRES when it is blown up (and it will not flood above it, because there is a hill). Although even the very likelihood of undermining the dam with the help of shelling is assessed as unlikely. No matter how many Ukrainians hit on it, neither the bridge nor the locks were destroyed.
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 16 November 2022 10: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Zoer
                        And so that they left it on purpose, and not out of hopelessness.
                        Yes, intentionally, but what motivated you?!

                        Quote: Zoer
                        Look at the map. From the state district power station and the bridge in Novaya Kakhovka to Kherson, 55 km along the highway. From a problem to a problem, 40 minutes on a Kamaz, an hour on an armored personnel carrier.

                        Turn your brains on! This highway must be kept along its entire length, at least so that tanks cannot hit with direct fire, to hell with it with artillery from closed ones.
                        Quote: Zoer
                        No matter how many Ukrainians hit on it, neither the bridge nor the locks were destroyed.
                        And now they may well undermine it from one shore, but it’s no longer necessary - Kherson has been leaked.
                      2. Zoer
                        Zoer 16 November 2022 10: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Yes, intentionally, but what motivated you?!

                        Watered by the will of the Kremlin.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Turn your brains on! This highway must be kept along its entire length, at least so that tanks cannot hit with direct fire, to hell with it with artillery from closed ones.

                        Look at the map, finally))) That highway was in the good rear of our troops.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        And now they may well undermine it from one shore, but it’s no longer necessary - Kherson has been leaked.

                        Now it may well be necessary to flood our positions on the left bank. That is why ours equip them well further from the coast. But as soon as they get closer, the Ukrainians can blow up the dam...
                        And Kherson was leaked, yes.
                      3. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 16 November 2022 11: 27
                        +2
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Watered by the will of the Kremlin.

                        No, the difficulty of supply and concern for the soldiers - in short, demagogy.
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Look at the map, finally))) That highway was in the good rear of our troops.
                        What's the point of the rear, if there is nowhere to gain a foothold in front of the highway?

                        Quote: Zoer
                        That is why ours equip them well further from the coast. But as soon as they get closer, the Ukrainians can blow up the dam...

                        The city was abandoned, motivated by the impossibility of supply due to the threat of undermining the dam, the danger of encirclement and "care" for the troops. All three positions are lies.
                      4. Zoer
                        Zoer 16 November 2022 11: 49
                        +2
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        What's the point of the rear, if there is nowhere to gain a foothold in front of the highway?

                        Nevertheless, they entrenched themselves and successfully fought off the dill.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        All three positions are lies.

                        laughing I have been talking about this for the second day, KEP!)))
                      5. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 16 November 2022 17: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Zoer
                        I have been talking about this for the second day, KEP!)))

                        Well, for understanding! hi laughing
          2. Skif
            Skif 15 November 2022 20: 28
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            Yes, what are you talking about? There the whole country is complete nonsense and misunderstanding.
        4. Alexander_Belov
          Alexander_Belov 15 November 2022 10: 07
          +13
          The question is not for the generals. They may not all shine with their minds, but the question is from the same series - why do trains run in Ukraine, the lights are on, ships are unloaded and loaded in ports?
          It's just embarrassing for everything.
        5. newtc7
          newtc7 15 November 2022 13: 31
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          because the fact that the Ukrainians will be able to undermine the dam, we have no doubt at all. They can undermine and undermine.

          Maybe someone will explain why it was impossible to organize a discharge of water during all this time, and then blow up part of the dam to hell, so that it would not be possible to accumulate this water with khikhlam?
          No, I never really believed in the genius of our generals, but now I just don’t believe in some kind of mind ...


          Why are you asking such awkward questions?
          Don't ruin the picture for them
        6. Prosha
          Prosha 15 November 2022 22: 46
          0
          why couldn’t it have been possible to organize a discharge of water during all this time, and then blow up part of the dam to hell, so that it would not be possible to accumulate this water with khikhlam?

          And you type in the search engine the Dnieper cascade and you will understand why it is impossible to do what you said. Where do you want to drain the water? If such a heresy enters anyone’s head, then this can be done in at least 4 places and no one will find enough water, this is the Dnieper, the 4th river of Europe, there is not just a lot of water, but very ...
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 16 November 2022 03: 22
            0
            Quote: Prosha
            If such a heresy enters anyone’s head, then this can be done at least in 4 places and no one will find a little water

            Here at Kherson, on the left bank, is just such a place.
            1. Prosha
              Prosha 18 November 2022 08: 28
              0
              So in order to minimize the consequences and moved away from Kherson.
      2. Alexander_Snegirev
        Alexander_Snegirev 15 November 2022 07: 11
        +27
        Quote: fa2998
        And ours (2 in the world), with unparalleled weapons, is engaged in "regrouping"

        Since the time of Gostomel, a planned process of regrouping has been going on. Soon the Armed Forces of Ukraine will force the Dnieper and gain a foothold, occupying 2-3 villages. Most likely in the area of ​​New-Staraya Zburyevka, under the Naked Pier. They will be ironed with artillery, but regardless of the losses, they will hold on to this piece with their teeth. That is exactly what happened under Davydov Ford and the occupation of Sukhoi Headquarters. The purpose of this forcing is not to develop an offensive, but to put pressure on the grouping, create hotbeds of tension and pull forces onto themselves that can be transferred to Melitopol, for example. Further, through the DRG and the network, the places of air defense basing, storage of ammunition, fuel and lubricants and equipment shelters are identified, covered with high-precision (Escaliber, Highmars). The army is under fire. At some point, effective managers pick up wooden abacus and write out the lost Shells, tanks, KamAZ trucks in a column. The figures are sent to the specialized institute, which multiplies the amount of lost equipment by the cost, plus insurance for those killed and wounded, and receives the amount. The amount is large. After that, an understanding is made that it is not economically profitable to stand there, it is better to retreat and gain a foothold along the Crimean line.
        1. Alexander_Belov
          Alexander_Belov 15 November 2022 10: 01
          +6
          I can disappoint. Moscow has released an interactive map of bomb shelters.
        2. flicker
          flicker 15 November 2022 13: 58
          -1
          Soon the Armed Forces of Ukraine will force the Dnieper and gain a foothold, occupying 2-3 villages.
          Yep, soon. Soon it can only happen in the imagination.
          This is exactly what happened under Davydov Ford and the occupation of Dry Headquarters.
          The example is not successful - all the same, the Ingulets River cannot be compared with the Dnieper.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 15 November 2022 14: 11
            +11
            Quote: flicker
            Yep, soon. Soon it can only happen in the imagination.

            Approximately the same thing was said about the abandonment of Kupyansk, Kherson, the liberation of the Azov people and much more. wink
            But the Zaputinites do not blush, wipe themselves, and again into battle. Bot farms fight much better than the General Staff! laughing
            1. flicker
              flicker 15 November 2022 15: 32
              -7
              About the same thing was said about the abandonment of Kupyansk, Kherson
              It seems to be about crossing the Dnieper. That through it, as through Ingulets, you will not cross. And even if you cross, it is almost impossible to hold a foothold without reliable logistics.
              liberation of the Azov people
              Do you know under what conditions they surrendered?
              Little was said about these conditions, but the Azov people spoke about some kind of “extraction”, didn’t they just talk about it like that?
              It seems that this was the condition (their extradition to Turkey) on which they agreed to surrender and thereby free Mariupol.
              So just because we don't know something doesn't mean it didn't happen.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 15 November 2022 15: 48
                +5
                Quote: flicker
                where they agreed to surrender and thereby free Mariupol.

                And then why were they taken prisoner at all? belay
                Ingulets is also a barrier.
                1. flicker
                  flicker 15 November 2022 16: 26
                  -2
                  And then why were they taken prisoner at all?
                  Because we offered them to surrender, and they agreed - so we took them prisoner. And so they would have been busy for another month.
                  Ingulets is also a barrier.
                  Well, yes, an obstacle, although in some places it was even possible to cross it into a ford (Ukrainians imported crushed stone).
                  Nevertheless, Ingulets cannot be compared with the Dnieper.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 15 November 2022 18: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: flicker
                    Because we offered them to surrender, and they agreed - so we took them prisoner. And so they would have been busy for another month.

                    Captivity with an exchange condition? War criminals? Are you seriously?
                    Quote: flicker
                    Well, yes, an obstacle, although in some places it was even possible to cross it into a ford (Ukrainians imported crushed stone).

                    Look at what time of the year. If you rest, then the Volga is generally better suited for defense than the Dnieper! wink
                    1. solar
                      solar 15 November 2022 21: 05
                      -3
                      Captivity with an exchange condition?

                      Otherwise, they didn't want to give up. And it would take a lot of time and effort to smoke them out.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 16 November 2022 09: 10
                        +1
                        Quote from solar
                        Otherwise, they didn't want to give up. And it would take a lot of time and effort to smoke them out.

                        And so it was necessary to create the appearance of captivity, with the subsequent release of war criminals? belay
                      2. solar
                        solar 16 November 2022 11: 19
                        0
                        I wanted to show you the results. The result is orders and titles. There is an incentive to negotiate
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 16 November 2022 11: 32
                        +1
                        Quote from solar
                        There is an incentive to negotiate

                        That is the problem.
          2. Mikhail Ya2
            Mikhail Ya2 15 November 2022 19: 40
            +3
            Didn’t you say, when the Ukrainians created the “Andreevsky bridgehead”, that this was a cunning tactic of the General Staff, to lure the Bandera from the UR and gouge in an open field ...... and near Balakleya you claimed this, with Mikhey.
      3. flicker
        flicker 15 November 2022 13: 49
        -9
        Whether it is or not, but what is going forward is not bad. And ours (2 in the world), with unparalleled weapons, is engaged in "regrouping"

        Russia was preparing for two types of wars: local with the use of conventional weapons and global with the use of nuclear weapons.
        And in the end, we got a global one with the use of conventional weapons. That is, they got something for which they were not prepared.
        And so by May the military potential of Ukraine was exhausted. That is, we won the local war in May.
        ---
        By the way, the fact that the wars of the future were considered either as local or as global nuclear wars was a global concept. Those. The United States also claimed so - they claimed, but they were preparing Ukraine for another war.
        1. fa2998
          fa2998 15 November 2022 17: 30
          +4
          Where do you see it? What are millions of armies, military corps, all the power of tactical aviation against us? Against us, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and help with weapons is VOID! Several planes, guns, tanks. Remember the lend-lease of 2 MV-thousand pieces of equipment, everything burned down in battles, and the number was a few percent of the domestic one. And the volunteers (mercenaries) were in Spain, China, Germany. Yes, and the French, Poles, etc. fought for us. Where such in Ukraine.? About 2 million natives of the Russian Empire and the USSR fought on the side of the Wehrmacht. (Immigrants, captured volunteers, etc.) You reviewed Solovyov. hi hi
          1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
            Vasilyevich Pensioner 15 November 2022 17: 50
            -2
            It is not logical to compare the Second World War and the NWO in terms of the scale of actions. But if you make a proportional comparison, it will work. Only then they helped us, but now we manage on our own. And so everything is the same, Europe + the then allies are against us. And about the number of in / mercenaries, so in proportion to that period it is very consistent. Yes, the French and Poles fought for us. And now, in a relative proportion by that time, there are also volunteers from other countries.
          2. Prosha
            Prosha 15 November 2022 22: 50
            +1
            What are millions of armies, military corps, all the power of tactical aviation against us? Against us, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and help with weapons is VOID! Several planes, guns, tanks.

            What about on our side? Probably, combined arms armies with the support of air armies and tank and mechanized corps ??? We also have a minimum of necessary forces, so there is most likely parity in terms of strength! Again, no one will ever and nowhere openly voice it.
          3. Garik Gorkin
            Garik Gorkin 15 November 2022 23: 39
            0
            What are millions of armies, military corps, all the power of tactical aviation against us?

            This is war high technology... Data satellite reconnaissance and real-time target designation (for hymers) gives the Nazis advantage.
            The second important reason is agreement (there should be another word, but I'm afraid) PRIMARY stage of the war when in the first months didn't hit energy и Train infrastructure, did not take Odessa and Nikolaev, but they threw troops on Kyiv, and even when the troops were forced to go to the LDNR frontal attacks on fortified areas, instead of surrounding. I believe these decisions were made general staff.
            After that, the fate of Kherson was sealed. Now the withdrawal from Kherson is not an agreement, but need.
            I am not a military specialist, I just retold the words of experienced people, and by the way, here on the forum I saw one person who predicted Kherson a month ago.
          4. flicker
            flicker 16 November 2022 10: 57
            -1
            What are millions of armies, military corps, all the power of tactical aviation against us?
            Well, after all, the front also has a rear, right?

            Now answer how long can the front hold out without a rear?

            And the rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is almost the entire West.
            Now few people can field millions of armies, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine have practically fielded.
            We get an army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine close to a million, positions in the Donbass fortified over 8 years, a satellite communications system, reconnoitered from satellites and surveillance cameras almost throughout the entire territory of hostilities, "Lend-Lease" such as the USSR during WWII never dreamed of (dozens cargo aircraft per day only in Polish Rzeszow), tens of billions of dollars of monthly assistance, unlimited supplies of fuel, spare parts, equipment, etc., etc.
            ---
            Today, the destructive power of shells and bombs is much higher, in addition, artillery hits much more accurately and further (its efficiency is much higher), that is, the destructive capabilities of weapons have now increased (and the intensity of the fighting), which means there is no need to compare the number of aircraft and guns now and then.
            It is much more important to compare the capabilities of the rear, the quality of weapons and personnel.
        2. solar
          solar 15 November 2022 21: 06
          0
          Russia was preparing for two types of wars: local with the use of conventional weapons and global with the use of nuclear weapons.

          This is unlikely. With such a doctrine, a draft army is useless; contract soldiers would be enough.
          But there was a draft army.
      4. zenion
        zenion 15 November 2022 15: 52
        +2
        fa2998. Do you believe that analog-anal weapons can help?
        1. fa2998
          fa2998 15 November 2022 17: 02
          +2
          I think that those trillions that were allocated for rearmament were not spent rationally (partially plundered). For decades, new weapons have remained cartoons, projects and experimental samples or an installation series. Serial production is a teaspoonful. "Ceremonial samples". They don't make weapons like that! hi
  2. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 15 November 2022 05: 23
    -2
    how sad everything is and hopelessly ... I hope Roman, with Alexander, are mistaken, and this is another HPP.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 15 November 2022 05: 43
      +16
      almost all objects and settlements left by Russia have no military value.
      And this is the most cunning HPP! Nowhere is smarter!
      1. flicker
        flicker 15 November 2022 17: 14
        -5
        And this is the most cunning HPP
        Yeah, this "Putin's cunning plan" does not live in anyone's head, only Putin knows nothing about this plan.
        They come up with it themselves, then they themselves are surprised.
    2. napalm
      napalm 15 November 2022 08: 15
      +19
      Quote: Aerodrome
      how sad everything is and hopelessly ... I hope Roman, with Alexander, are mistaken, and this is another HPP.

      Kind of a disgrace.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 15 November 2022 13: 59
        +10
        This, even in a nightmare, could not be dreamed of in the USSR: the legal successor of the RSFSR was drawn into a civil war with its Ukrainian SSR with the complete isolation of the latter's first and all-round assistance from NATO and the United States. Even in a nightmare, one could not imagine what the "cunning plans" would lead to ...
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    4. Pablo Blade
      Pablo Blade 15 November 2022 09: 06
      +14
      Heard a lot about HPPs. And the question arose - at least one was realized? Or is it from the category of meme rearrangements?
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    5. skeptick2
      skeptick2 15 November 2022 11: 16
      +3
      Quote: Aerodrome
      how sad and hopeless

      Well! Don't be sad!
      It is said: "Strictly speaking, apart from the horrendous political losses that Russia has suffered, from a military point of view, everything is not as sad as it might seem."
      Those. on the contrary, everything is fine. The fact that demilitarization and denazification are completely forgotten is good. The fact that Russia's victory in the NMD is a very big question (and what is now called a victory for Russia?) - this is also good. The fact that we surrender Russian territories and cities to the enemy without a fight is not bad, because, as you know, everything is going according to plan.
      In general, there is even a reason to fill the glasses.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 15 November 2022 14: 02
        +11
        Everything is as Strelkov-Girkin predicted back in March: what will follow by the autumn will be justified by the "current situation" and "necessity" by propaganda, and no one will even remember the original goals of the NWO.
  3. Silver99
    Silver99 15 November 2022 05: 38
    +32
    There is another factor, the patience of the people of Russia, if politicians and economists decide to wage a century-long war, they can say goodbye to their assets and positions (((NOR is not the Second World War, the motivation is not the same, it is more reminiscent of the First World War, when soldiers recruited from the provinces were driven to slaughter to protect the money of the capitalists, and the liberal brethren and students hung out at pseudo-patriotic rallies, everything ended very badly for the country (((.
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  5. G17
    G17 15 November 2022 05: 42
    +38
    Very good review. But the main thing is that after almost a year of war, no fundamental changes took place in the Russian "elite", as a result of which it successfully blocked the transfer of the entire country, army, economy, society and political system to the mobilization regime. As a result, the vast Russian territories liberated from the Nazis were handed over to the enemy, and instead of the ideology of gathering the lands and the Russian people into a single state, the people were given the vague terms denazification and demilitarization. Now, when Bandera Ukraine has finally become Nazi and armed to the teeth, they have generally replaced "denazification and demilitarization" with even more incomprehensible de-electricity. But with the beginning of the SVO, everyone was sure that on May 9 we would hold a Victory Parade in Kyiv, but instead, the rotten system turned 2022 into a year of continuous shame and betrayal. And it will drag the country further along this path, if only to ease the noose of sanctions and somehow get out of the trap into which it has driven itself. So they will continue to surrender everything and everything, leaving only the Crimea and Donbass. New agreements are inevitable, after which a new wave of "analytics" from court experts will immediately rise through the media, who will prove that the best line of defense is the Crimean isthmuses, and no one promised anything to Kherson and Zaporozhye.
    1. saigon
      saigon 15 November 2022 05: 50
      +34
      I'm afraid to even think about what lies ahead and where else the maneuvers will lead.
      I don’t want to think about Crimea and Donbass, I just don’t want to, and the fact that now it’s Russia turns out to be no fucking guarantee.
      Everything is gloomy, why the hell was it all started? So pure shame to seize in full.
      Zelya in Kherson and rockets do not fly and guns do not rumble, no one touches the adversary.
      EVERYTHING WENT TO
      1. Cuckoo
        Cuckoo 15 November 2022 07: 37
        +18
        I don’t want to think about Crimea and Donbass, I just don’t want to, and the fact that now it’s Russia is not a damn guarantee

        Crimea and Donbass :-) I'm not sure about Kusk, Belgorod and Rostov anymore :-(
        1. man
          man 15 November 2022 08: 16
          +11
          Crimea and Donbass :-) I'm not sure about Kusk, Belgorod and Rostov anymore :-(
          and I was alerted that Solovyov inappropriately remembered Kutuzov in 1812 ...
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 15 November 2022 08: 30
            +4
            Quote: mann
            and I was alerted that Solovyov inappropriately remembered Kutuzov in 1812 ...

            Exactly! "The field marshal ordered us to retreat!" If he wanted to maintain morale in this way, then he was mistaken with the example. This is not the 19th century, but about the years of the Second World War, there is not enough spirit or conscience to remember.
            1. skeptick2
              skeptick2 15 November 2022 11: 41
              +4
              Quote: Egoza
              but about the years of the Second World War, there is not enough spirit or conscience to remember

              Or maybe common sense? After all, unnecessary analogies can be drawn.
              After all, the Soviet soldier defended all 4 initial years of the Second World War its the ground. Their home and family from the invader who came on someone else's the ground.
              Agree, on February 24 of this year the situation looked somewhat different.
          2. frolish
            frolish 15 November 2022 15: 09
            +2
            Was subscribed to his channel in TG, purely for comparison with others. Lately I couldn't even open it. And after Kherson, he went to ask what he would say about this, and the first post that he saw was the picture "Council in Fili". I didn’t even read it, and it’s so clear what will be there, and unsubscribed immediately.
      2. Taimen
        Taimen 15 November 2022 11: 17
        +13
        After such cooperation and concern at the column with an emphasis on the left and right hand, we in the world were so lowered under the bunk at the slop bucket that now only the new Stalin will be able to first deal with the enemies of the people inside the country, and then with the world punks, which "our helmsmen "serve for houses, money, huts over the hill.
    2. Glock-17
      Glock-17 15 November 2022 06: 00
      +34
      Considering how the fighting is going, keeping the borders until the start of the NWO does not look like such a bad outcome. The controlled media will find something to say to the people in order to pass off failure as success. Something like "they prevented another crusade against Rus' with a preemptive strike"
      1. Belisarius
        Belisarius 15 November 2022 06: 24
        +26
        Quote: Glock-17
        Considering how the fighting is going, keeping the borders until the start of the NWO does not look like such a bad outcome. The controlled media will find something to say to the people in order to pass off failure as success. Something like "they prevented another crusade against Rus' with a preemptive strike"

        The problem is that the enemy does not stop when he reaches the borders on 24.02. If we don't stop the "gestures of good will" or whatever, we don't stop putting the army in a situation where it simply cannot fight, then the enemy will demand both Crimea and reparations and "demilitarized zones", etc.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 15 November 2022 07: 45
          +23
          Quote: Belisarius
          the enemy will demand both Crimea and reparations and "demilitarized zones", etc.

          So already! The UN supported the demands of Ukraine for reparations! And obviously not Roma Abramovich and his comrades will pay!
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 15 November 2022 08: 36
            -30
            Quote: Egoza
            And obviously they won't pay.

            Maybe I overslept something and the CBO is over? And who is the winner, who will pay whom? By the way, is our flag flying over Kyiv or theirs over the Kremlin?

            Isn't it too early to share the bear's skin? And just like in a joke:
            - Mykola, I caught a bear.
            - Yes, you sho, so drag him here.
            - I can't, it won't let me.
            1. solar
              solar 15 November 2022 10: 06
              +2
              our flag is flying over Kyiv or theirs over the Kremlin?
              I think if "they are above the Kremlin", then the conversation will go completely differently. Approximately the way he would go in the case of "our flag is flying over Kyiv"
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 15 November 2022 11: 10
                -12
                Quote from solar
                I think if "they are above the Kremlin", then the conversation will go completely differently

                Well, thank God, everything is like yesterday, otherwise I got worried, I dug up half of the machine gun in the garden ... I'll have to bury it back. laughing
                1. Egoza
                  Egoza 15 November 2022 11: 29
                  0
                  Quote: Boris55
                  I dug up the floor of a machine gun in the garden ... I'll have to dig it back

                  Maslichkom! Do not forget to water with lenten oil! ))) Well, or machine, so what is!
                  1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                    Vasilyevich Pensioner 15 November 2022 11: 56
                    +2
                    Maybe you don’t need to show off, working off will be enough. am
                  2. Prosha
                    Prosha 15 November 2022 22: 54
                    +1
                    Do not forget to water with lenten oil! )))

                    In no case, only machine or weapon, well, if nothing at all, then vaseline, vegetable oil will give such a layer of paraffin that you can only throw it away)
            2. skeptick2
              skeptick2 15 November 2022 11: 49
              +12
              Quote: Boris55
              Isn't it too early to share the bear's skin?

              The skin of an unkilled bear was divided just on our broadcasts, on Russian ones. On the 25th of February... on the 26th... on the 27th... I remember it very well. It was an entertaining sight.
            3. Skif
              Skif 15 November 2022 20: 36
              +2
              Just a feast for the eyes, how you are minus! Experts may not subscribe to their daubs. In fact, all mycols.
        2. man
          man 15 November 2022 08: 20
          0
          The problem is that the enemy does not stop when he reaches the borders on 24.02. If we don't stop the "gestures of good will" or whatever, we don't stop putting the army in a situation where it simply cannot fight, then the enemy will demand both Crimea and reparations and "demilitarized zones", etc.
          and Kuban am
        3. Gas truck
          Gas truck 15 November 2022 08: 46
          +5
          Suspicion that not only Crimea will be demanded.
        4. single-n
          single-n 15 November 2022 08: 46
          +16
          Most likely they will wait another 5-6 years. What would the "client rot". And then they come to visit. They know how to work for a long time. These are not our "effectons" with a planning range of 2 days maximum. And after such a shameful war, and due to the demographics of the defenders, there will be much less.
        5. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 15 November 2022 23: 09
          0
          "The problem is that the enemy does not stop when he reaches the borders on 24.02" ///
          ----
          Will stop. NATO will stop Ukraine by stopping
          military aid.
          For Ukraine, the exit to the borders of 24.2 is a pure military
          and political victory.
          For Russia - an unfortunate draw.
    3. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 15 November 2022 10: 00
      +8
      Quote: G17
      .... But the main thing is that after almost a year of war, no fundamental changes have occurred in the Russian "elite" ...

      And why would these changes occur? The system is people, but people are still the same in power, in power and around power, they will not become different. It is naive to think that they will change. We need others at the helm if we don't want to lose the country.
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  7. Former soldier
    Former soldier 15 November 2022 05: 53
    +7
    Russia can indeed withdraw from the grain deal at any moment, and indeed no one will really notice anything, because the force that could impede the export of grain, namely the Black Sea Fleet, sits on bases in the Crimea.

    Heh heh. strategists smile. But he can’t hit the Odessa grain terminal with missiles? request
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 15 November 2022 06: 00
      +19
      Quote: Former soldier
      And hit the Odessa grain terminal with rockets

      Low! The Sultan will be offended and block the straits (to us), and open (to them)!
      1. Former soldier
        Former soldier 15 November 2022 08: 18
        +8
        Low! The Sultan will be offended and block the straits (to us), and open (to them)!

        Under the Soviets, in this case, Kosygin promised to make another wide strait right through Istanbul.
  8. Private89
    Private89 15 November 2022 05: 53
    +59
    Yes, everything has already become clear, the logical result of 30 years, as they call it: the maximum extraction of profit from the bowels, enterprises and people. I would call it by its own name, but as with the NWO, you cannot call a spade a spade - such a system has been built in the country, total lies, irresponsibility and stupid cutting under the slogans of patriotism. Who needs such a system - definitely not 9/10 of the population. Much has become clear to many, someone else still has rose-colored glasses, but nothing else will be broken through - looking into the clear eyes of the current temporary workers, there is no doubt. This whole situation reminds me of 1905 or 1915. Probably Nicholas 2 in 17 was just as sure that the people love him and his "ratings" are high.

    Yes, of course, it’s not just that we have such a Mr. President or such a thought, I think no one will doubt that life will not change for the better if tomorrow some Mr. N (the same representative of the class bourgeoisie) who does not believe can look at a well-known neighboring country and wonder if the life of the people there has changed for the better if they change Mr. I to Mr. P, and then to Mr. Z.
    “The change of faces cannot change anything until the class in power changes” V.I. Lenin
    I really read Lenin and understand nothing has changed.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 15 November 2022 07: 48
      +15
      “The change of faces cannot change anything until the class in power changes” V.I. Lenin
      "For a revolution, it is not enough that the lower classes do not want to live as before. It also requires that the upper classes cannot manage and manage as before." But alas, the lower classes want to live as before, since they have never lived so well as they do now (c), and the upper classes can still manage and manage as before. And it must be admitted that the bourgeois class is much better organized. The exploited class is not organized, from the word it is completely divided. "as long as no light is seen from anywhere" .. (c)
      1. Private89
        Private89 15 November 2022 15: 13
        +2
        I partly agree that as long as the working class is not organized, I would even say that it does not recognize itself as a class and does not understand that only by collective struggle for its rights can one improve one's life. But I think this will not always be the case, history itself speaks of this in place of the primitive communal system, the slave-owning system came, it was replaced by feudalism, feudalism was replaced by capitalism, one way or another, capitalism will go down in history, unless of course humanity will die in a nuclear catastrophe. Let's wait and see, if capitalism took 400 years to replace feudalism, now the processes are going faster and where centuries were required, now decades are needed. You understand the disastrous nature of the current system, well, there are already two of us, as Mayakovsky wrote there:
        "A thousand times
        same
        he drives
        in a tight ear
        but tomorrow
        invest in each other
        arms
        understanding two.
        Yesterday - four
        today four hundred.
        hiding,
        and tomorrow
        stand in the open
        and these
        four hundred
        grow into the thousands."
        People see clearly, but not quickly, but see clearly. Some 10 years ago, there were no such discussions that you can read in the comments, and at least there weren’t any here at VO. So the process is underway.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 15 November 2022 15: 33
          +6
          Here you understand what's the matter, there is a very powerful layer that does not identify itself with the working class. They call themselves office workers something else, but not the working class, although apart from the "chains of slavery", consumer loans, mortgages, "nishtyakov", under a collective agreement, they have nothing. As long as this part does not realize who it really is, the top will manage and manage as before. Since the time of Marx and Engels, the productive forces have changed. These new productive forces need to understand that from change places of terms, the sum will not change. But alas, while there is no such understanding, many live in hope, a "good" king will come and everything will change. hi
          1. Private89
            Private89 15 November 2022 21: 11
            +1
            I think the crisis and the need is well able to explain by turning entrepreneurs into proletarians, and proletarians into unemployed. I judge by myself, a few years ago I was unemployed for a couple of months, clearing my brain, you start asking questions, looking around, looking for answers.
            But alas, while there is no such understanding, many live in hope, a "good" king will come and everything will change

            Yes, people should remember the words of the international: Neither the king, nor the god and not the hero
  9. Belisarius
    Belisarius 15 November 2022 05: 58
    +11
    The article is interesting, it’s good that the authors began to think realistically, but the conclusions are controversial.
    1) The preservation of the land corridor to the Crimea became the new and last goal of the NWO (since it became obvious that liberating the Donbass by storming the fortified areas was an unrealistic task), so a "goodwill gesture" with Melitopol is unlikely. It will be defended. If we lose it and let the enemy cut our grouping, then in fact we will return to the situation before February 24, 2022.
    Goodwill gestures were made with the aim of reaching peace (now for a truce), even at the cost of large concessions. But here the concession will be too big.
    2) I hope that there will be no more "goodwill gestures", but if there are two much more likely candidates - the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant (perhaps in the form of a free supply of electricity to Bandera) and the north of the Luhansk region, which is difficult to defend and in which one of entry points for gas trading.
    3) On the other hand, the enemy can take his own by purely military means, given the possibility of transferring troops from Kherson. The main possibilities are a strike on Svatovo, which is already being carried out, and a strike on Melitopol. Can we stop the enemy without relatively gestures of goodwill? The situation is difficult, the army and society are significantly demoralized by all the leading policies, the losses of equipment are huge, communications and control are still lame. But we can still stop the enemy on the defensive.
    Alas, there is no way to attack, for this you need to get out because of all the "negotiators", which, for political reasons, seems unrealistic.
    P/S. As for the ideas of the authors to put the military above politicians, this is a utopia. The default policy is always above the military and gives them goals and objectives. The military fights within the framework of orders and laws. The problem is not that, the problem is that change the policy . This is the only way to win.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 15 November 2022 08: 21
      0
      I also really hope that there will be no agreements, but they will come out of the current ones. But this is a faint hope. We react too softly, rely too much on the adequacy and promises of the West. Whereas from the other side they no longer hesitate to talk about goals and deceive us as soon as they get what they want. And there are more and more questions to the NWO and the politics around it - why, how, when, and so on ...
      Some murky schemes emerge. Large business, with the exception of a few, does not react at all to the operation. Not competence from all the cracks, but they began to correct it, but this takes time. I understand that there is a conflict not only in the NVO zone, but also politically, economically, for zones of influence. And I hope the Kremlin understands that if we "retreat to previously fortified lines" constantly, surrendering city after city, all other achievements will be worthless.
      1. Belisarius
        Belisarius 16 November 2022 02: 05
        0
        Quote: Wedmak
        I also really hope that there will be no agreements, but they will come out of the current ones. But this is a faint hope.

        Today's statements and strikes have shown that there will be no agreement. The "goodwill gesture" with Kherson did not appease the enemy, the Russian leadership is not ready for a further retreat. This is good.
        The only annoying thing is that they knew in advance about today's strikes in Ukraine, and the fact that again they are hitting not on communications, the military-political leadership of Ukraine or on purely military facilities, but on energy facilities. And very dosed. It is clear that this is an invitation to negotiations, but the problem is that the authorities of Maidan Ukraine do not care about their civilian population.
    2. single-n
      single-n 15 November 2022 09: 05
      +14
      So far, it is not clear how and with what we can stop the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Those crumbs of those. the superiority that we had, we blew it. The effect of the first strike was idiotically squandered. Time for the preparation of reserves was spent admiring the funnels. Allies were never acquired. Only Iran helped us at least with weapons. Even the dependence of the EU on our gas could not be used. As well as the supply of certain types of strategic raw materials. All spring and summer they sat cheeks puffed out that without us the EU Khan. And the EU stocked up on gas for several months and arranged deliveries. And this despite the fact that the weather helped us. Abnormal heat with shallowing of rivers and calm.
      It will not be possible to change policy while these people are sitting in the Kremlin. They just can't think differently. For 30 years, the system worked to please the king and all the rabble did not rebel too much. And here suddenly it is necessary to achieve REAL results. .
      1. Belisarius
        Belisarius 16 November 2022 02: 09
        0
        Quote: Single-n
        So far, it is not clear how and with what we can stop the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

        In general, you are right in your message, but it is here that you go too far. If we remove the factor of treaties, then from a purely military point of view, we can defend ourselves. The number of people at the front is increasing, we have local air superiority. If, again, to fight humanly, and not in the context of the fact that our "professional" army has gone crazy because the NWO has no legal status and, accordingly, no responsibility either.
        1. single-n
          single-n 16 November 2022 08: 43
          0
          Unfortunately, I do not win the war by defense. Moreover, we are losing our technological advantage more and more. And for the offensive, prepared people are needed. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have a pipeline for preparation and supply. And our system barely digests 300 thousand. Yes, a lot of time wasted. And the longer our lovers menacingly throw their hands and get excited with concern calves. The more strength is needed to correct the situation. Sometimes you really want the next "Haymars" to fly, well, at least to the State Duma. Maybe then it will come that we have a war and not hunting for hares. In the meantime, it looks like a salt junkie. The rats are already eating up his leg, and he is giggling over a ridiculous finger.
    3. Cuckoo
      Cuckoo 15 November 2022 14: 23
      +2
      Quote: Belisarius
      authors began to think realistically

      It was necessary to think realistically in the summer, and even better in February. But, the authors wrote for the sake of the moment and what the censors and the guards of the AP missed.
  10. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 15 November 2022 06: 03
    +3
    All this is sad, the problem is in our elite, or rather in the lack of its consolidation, what was the point of starting an NWO if our guarantor failed to achieve the unity of the elites?!
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  12. parusnik
    parusnik 15 November 2022 06: 09
    +3
    It is necessary to inflict damage on the enemy's infrastructure without regard to who receives income from it and who is the true owner of factories, roads, steamships ...
    To inflict damage without looking back, such a decision himself ... the Supreme takes .. smile
    1. 28st region
      28st region 15 November 2022 09: 13
      +6
      All this is strange. Our valiant army commanders, studded with orders and medals, for some reason did not show themselves in any way
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 15 November 2022 10: 49
        +7
        But I agree. The general will go to Syria for a couple of months, he returns as a Hero of Russia. More than a dozen of these. Where are their where is their tactical, operational and strategic thinking? What they honed in Syria.
  13. samarin1969
    samarin1969 15 November 2022 06: 20
    +8
    in reality, this notorious NWO is ruled by politicians and economists. There is more than enough evidence for this today.

    Is it possible to win the started war of Russia? Yes, no doubt. But for this it is necessary to drive politicians and oligarchs as far as possible from command and control and setting tasks.


    Where are you going to drive them? Officials in uniform and without are ready to write down not only Melitopol, etc., in the "Kemsky volost". Ukraine came to the war as to "fights without rules." And bureaucrats are waging war on the patterns of "biathlon".

    ps If you "bent over the map", then it's hard to imagine that the Russian Federation is a "besieged fortress" A huge country is firing back and repulsing assaults.
    The Kremlin has set scanty "garrison" parameters for the SVO, and nothing can be done about it. And public opinion in Russia is close to zero.
  14. Dartanian
    Dartanian 15 November 2022 06: 34
    +26
    By the summer there will be access in many directions to the state border of Russia, this is obvious: the authorities bled the NVO, the army was exhausted because there were no rotations or replenishments in a timely manner and 300 tons of mobilized weather will not do it already, there is no political decision to win the war what now to lose yachts, villas? The economy also has problems and they cannot be solved, like import substitution. Wherever you look everywhere pop. It’s a pity that so many people are supposed to be because of the guarantors of the red lines in the Kremlin ...
    1. Glock-17
      Glock-17 15 November 2022 06: 48
      +10
      Alas, precious time has been lost. A long war of attrition with the entire Western world, without allies, Russia simply will not physically pull. You have to be realistic.
      1. zenion
        zenion 15 November 2022 16: 09
        0
        The trouble is that the authorities do not trust the people. The authorities are afraid to arm the masses, the lesson of 1916, but the people do not give a damn about this government. Does it matter to the horse, who drives him? A roof over your head grub in a bag. Chase - go, do not chase will stand. But, when it is very hungry, then it will come off, knock out the wall and go crazy. Then nothing can calm him down. How stupid it was to break the system when the wolves were full and the sheep were safe. Not from a great mind.
  15. Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 15 November 2022 06: 46
    +13
    There are no words to comment on this whole situation, but in general, Siluanov recently said that the budget for the NWO for next year is laid down for the next three years, practically a quote. So who will voluntarily refuse to cut loot on military orders for so much more time? Yes, and the elections are just around the corner, and there is probably no confidence in a clear victory due to the failed quick little war, so martial law can be introduced under this case with the cancellation of the elections, and the deteriorating situation at the front can serve as the basis for this. So it seems to me that Kherson is not the last city.
    1. zenion
      zenion 15 November 2022 16: 16
      +1
      Who does not care about his army will feed someone else's. But it may be the same as it was under the Tatar-Mongols. That they will put at the helm not those who will bow at their feet, but those who will walk with a whip, from their own. You can have a big head, but not think beyond 1917 with it. It's time to remember those years when in Russia they did not even live up to feudalism, but remained in slavery. They stepped further with their foot, but with a successful confluence they returned. The people do not want to rule the country, for this there are gentlemen.
      1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
        Vasilyevich Pensioner 15 November 2022 16: 30
        0
        But it may be the same as it was under the Tatar-Mongols. That the wrong ones will be put to the helm
        In that period, there was no one at the helm at all and there was no helm. And only after eating it, after many years they realized that they needed a steering wheel with one helmsman.
  16. would
    would 15 November 2022 06: 53
    +2
    This is also not a very big problem, because VVER-1000 reactors can (and should be) shut down in a good way, and this is done much easier than the memorable RBMK.


    That does not eliminate the need to cool them. The reactor cannot be shut down in the literal sense of the word, it is impossible to stop the nuclear reaction by pressing a button and, as a result, the release of heat. An excellent example of this is Fukushima - at the time of its destruction, all power units were stopped.
  17. tone
    tone 15 November 2022 07: 02
    +4
    The land corridor to the Crimea will be closed, the bridge will be blown up after reaching the Sea of ​​Azov, they will be hit with harpoons.
    Then they will blow up the cables supplying the Crimea as they blew up the northern streams.
    Further convoys of barges, under the raids of bayraktars? Chflot left 2 ships with air defense, after the attack on Sevastopol, the fate of one of them is unclear. So it will become impossible to supply Crimea with food, electricity, water, what next?
    1. laws70
      laws70 15 November 2022 08: 53
      +5
      So it will become impossible to supply Crimea with food, electricity, water, what next?

      We are transferring the Black Sea Fleet to the Baltic and preparing for the evacuation of Moscow. I remember Shoigu saying something about the construction of large cities in Siberia .. It's time to start.
    2. saigon
      saigon 15 November 2022 13: 49
      0
      The thought wanders one downright seditious, if there is no sense in the sailors, then write off the infantry and admirals in the first place.
      It is possible to fire rockets from a place without admirals.
      Although now sailors will begin to tell like a fleet, the edge is needed and it’s not possible to change the OCEAN there into a swing. So much money has swelled and I think how many missiles and UAVs can be riveted for this money.
      Well, prove to me the infantry fleet in this conflict earned laurels, only the Marines are a clear judge. It hurts for the soldiers and officers of the front, like a bitch it hurts.
      1. zenion
        zenion 15 November 2022 16: 17
        +1
        A ghost haunts Russia - the ghost of indifference!
  18. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 15 November 2022 07: 03
    -3
    One historian wrote, "Looking at the greatness of Ivan the Terrible, you can see that it was Ivan the Terrible who laid the foundation for the unrest. Dividing the country into guardsmen and the people." allies", private military companies and a contract army. What prevents the allies from joining the Russian army? Contracts. Now there will be a set of foreigners in our army. There are both assets and liabilities here. I don’t believe in agreements. There will be shelling of Ukraine and our territory. Everyone complains about poor demographics. But only a small part of the Armed Forces is involved in this operation.
    1. zenion
      zenion 15 November 2022 16: 20
      -1
      Everything reminds of the time after the husband and wife had a fight. It's already evening and then the husband says - dear, I want you. And she answered him - stay behind, see, I can't see you. This is how Russia cannot see Ukraine, but they have it.
    2. saigon
      saigon 15 November 2022 18: 31
      0
      So the guardsmen were shock reliable combat units.
      And the famous Malyuta Skuratov died a soldier's death on the wall of the fortress during its assault, such a number is the king's favorite and in the front row
      storm the fortress.
      1. Nikolay Malyugin
        Nikolay Malyugin 16 November 2022 05: 29
        +2
        Viktor. Nobody argues with this. And the fact that our lands have multiplied is a fact. But when there is only one military group in the country, and the people do not take part in the affairs of the army, this always turns into a tragedy for the country itself. The confusion showed it.
        1. saigon
          saigon 16 November 2022 07: 34
          0
          If you dig a little deeper, then the oprichnina is an attempt to somewhat expand the base for completing the troops.
          In addition to the local noble cavalry, units began to be created on a different basis of recruitment.
          That is, in addition to the nobles and military servants, other layers of society begin to recruit. (Moreover, it is worth considering the guardsmen - the field army.
  19. 77alex77
    77alex77 15 November 2022 07: 04
    +5
    Well, can you lead Roman on a global scale? No Petka I don't know languages
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 15 November 2022 07: 23
      +11
      I am now recalling the events of the Falklands War. There, too, the junta wanted a small victorious war. As a result, the junta lost the war and ended. But we are not Argentina, we have an irreplaceable president and an irreplaceable system
    2. single-n
      single-n 15 November 2022 09: 21
      +2
      And those who tried in prisons wind their terms.
  20. Li17
    Li17 15 November 2022 07: 07
    +1
    I read and begin to remember the words from the film .... do not read the newspapers! And from the Bible - "because in much wisdom there is much sorrow; and whoever increases knowledge, increases sorrow"! And our history, the end of the state is directly connected with military defeat! The worldly philosophy calms us, we all have one end and the place will not be empty. The main thing in this conflict is outside the brackets, the end of civilization is possible, and this is at best! The death of the planet! They say that it has already happened, even more than once. Will wait!
    1. zenion
      zenion 15 November 2022 16: 23
      +1
      Father served with Kotovsky. Kotovsky was terribly disliked by the commanders of the Red Army. My father got into a conversation with one person with whom he served together. Then his father said he was not tolerated because Kotovsky did great things with small forces. Now there are no such people on the right side, neither one nor the other. Two groups came together, not dividing what was hidden. The film "Chapaev" reminded me of the complaint of one peasant - the whites will come - they rob, the reds will come - they rob, where should the poor peasant go?
      1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
        Vasilyevich Pensioner 15 November 2022 16: 36
        -1
        whites will come - they rob, the reds will come - they rob, where should the poor peasant go?
        This is the author's fantasy.
  21. DO
    DO 15 November 2022 07: 08
    +5
    Is it possible to win the started war of Russia? Yes, no doubt. But for this it is necessary to drive politicians and oligarchs as far as possible from command and control and setting tasks.

    But if you don't drive "politicians and oligarchs away from command and control and setting tasks," is it possible to win the SVO?
    NO, DEFINITELY.
    Moreover, since it was so profitable for today's strange politicians and quite ordinary "businessmen" admitted to the helm of the state to surrender a city that has recently become Russian, what will prevent them from getting into the taste and renting bundles of primordially Russian cities, up to Vladivostok? Conscience? Hardly, in view of the fact that it was not possible to find it in this public, from the word at all.
  22. ivan2022
    ivan2022 15 November 2022 07: 31
    +7
    As they taught in the Soviet school, "the people are the creators of their history." We return to the original question: "What are bad people?"
    No. He just rakes what he deserves, although he himself cannot understand this.
    To reach the level of "bad" you must have be healthy, what level of development!
  23. Tijl Oulenhpigel
    Tijl Oulenhpigel 15 November 2022 07: 38
    0
    "If the truth is, well, at least a third, there is only one thing left, just take to die" V.S. Vysotsky.
  24. yuriy55
    yuriy55 15 November 2022 07: 43
    -3
    Is it not clear what to do? It's time to adopt the methods of Zolotov, who filled the city with employees when unrest began there.
    It's time to declare martial law and the full mobilization of forces and reserves.
    It's time to get the idle young people off the streets. Perhaps it's time to close nightclubs and return the sale of tobacco and alcohol under the state hand.
    Probably, it's time to start spitting on copyright and work on blind copying, because those 300 seized assets will never return ...
    You can still sit over the cards ... Make meaningful conclusions and ... step aside ... The most Russian version ...
  25. Gardamir
    Gardamir 15 November 2022 07: 46
    +7
    The saddest thing is that there will be enemies of Russia who will go to vote for those who are now surrendering ...
  26. Galleon
    Galleon 15 November 2022 07: 52
    +12
    The photo for the article is very revealing. I didn't even read the article, I confess. It doesn't matter what Staver writes. But the photo is good: the son of Yeltsin's friend, Komsomol member Seryozha Shoigu, is leading the general commanding the group over the map. It would be possible to have another photo above the same map: the Minister of Defense holds a meeting with female generals and makes an award based on its results - just to the ladies in the portfolio. You can do something nice for women for the new year. And the minister's work will be visible, and winning photos.
    1. single-n
      single-n 15 November 2022 09: 45
      -8
      And who are these mysterious women generals? If you are talking about "Russian Markovskaya has been the press secretary of Sergei Shoigu since 2017". Then for 2021 her title is "the girl is the state adviser of the Russian Federation of the 3rd class."
      According to the table of ranks, this is an analogue ...... MAJOR !!!
      People just don't understand
      ACTIVE State Councilor of the Russian Federation, 3rd class
      and just a state adviser of the Russian Federation 3rd class
      .And getting a major at the age of 26 is hard, but we had a 27-year-old major running in our training. Also someone us ...... l ?
      You can see her photo in uniform. TWO STRIPS on shoulder straps. And she is not a CHIPUND :)) So at least check the info a little.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 15 November 2022 11: 10
        +6
        How about Maria Kitaeva???
        The administration also joins my question.
        1. single-n
          single-n 15 November 2022 11: 50
          +1
          Maria Kitaeva is a muddy horse. yes. She also went on maternity leave almost immediately after the appointment. Well, she is alone. More precisely, on the same day, they awarded the title to another woman. (Tatiana Viktorovna Shevtsova) That one is already about 50 years old.
          But the most important thing. They are not military! These are civil servants. . And the stars are our rowing ..... cosplay of Russia from the time of the tsar. They don't run any troops.
          I don’t know why Kitaeva received such a rank at such a tender age. By the way, this is not the only oddity in her career.
          In 2010-2012, she worked for the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company, the news anchor for Vesti 24. in 2011, she conducted a Direct Line with Vladimir Putin.
          If the wiki isn't lying.
    2. solar
      solar 15 November 2022 10: 15
      0
      It doesn't matter what Staver writes.

      Judging by the text, the main part was written not by Staver, but by Skomorokhov.
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 15 November 2022 11: 45
        +7
        I will not say that Roman chose the wrong co-author - it's up to Roman who to choose. I just don't want to read material by this author anymore.
  27. ivan2022
    ivan2022 15 November 2022 08: 05
    +5
    Quote: Gardamir
    The saddest thing is that there will be enemies of Russia who will go to vote for those who are now surrendering ...

    Such "those who are now" were mostly 30 years ago ....

    Only one of two things is possible here - or they, those who rent, didn’t rent before, and then what happened to them. Or they have surrendered before, but the enemies of Russia in Russia are a large part of the population.

    By the way, they may not be aware of themselves as "enemies" .... they just don't care, it's such a mental illness. It's called "psychopathy". It happens in mass. On the "Zen" now a whole series of articles has been published on this topic .. ... Personally, I'm leaning towards the second.
  28. Vasilyevich Pensioner
    Vasilyevich Pensioner 15 November 2022 08: 06
    +2
    This creates a certain opportunity for the formation of the Dnieper
    Formation of the Dnieper? The same nonsense is in the rest of the author's material.
  29. zontov79
    zontov79 15 November 2022 08: 11
    +8
    Here the Ukrainians are broadcasting that they will surrender the Crimea without a fight. As long as they talk, that's what happens. Our ingenious supreme and his general staff no longer have faith!
    1. frolish
      frolish 15 November 2022 15: 44
      +1
      Not in defense of the authors of the article, it's just a typo that was not noticed.
      It meant forcing.
      Ps: even when I was writing now, the phone was corrected for formation
      1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
        Vasilyevich Pensioner 15 November 2022 15: 55
        0
        Protection does not work, but the fact that the author does not give a damn about readers is a fact. Who prevents him, the author, from subtracting the material? And he just wanted to give out a hot one quickly, churning out his fantasies like hot cakes.
  30. don-1500
    don-1500 15 November 2022 08: 15
    +3
    Enemies: Remember the mysterious tactic, when we retreat, we go forward.
  31. steelmaker
    steelmaker 15 November 2022 08: 17
    +12
    Have you heard that Putin spoke about the surrender of Kherson? And Donetsk is already our city, and it is being beaten every day. The West openly says what they need from Russia. And if they continue to fight like this, then everything will go according to the scenario of the West.
  32. tatra
    tatra 15 November 2022 08: 29
    +14
    Now the question is not how to fight, but how to end this shame, to which the enemies of the USSR, who seized the RSFSR, doomed Russia and the Russian people.
    And the "cheers-patriots" are still "fighting" not with the well-equipped and learned to fight the armed forces of Ukraine, but with some mythical Nazis, fascists, Bandera. If they lie to themselves, then what kind of victory can we expect from them?
    1. vfrcbv1965-2011
      vfrcbv1965-2011 15 November 2022 08: 58
      -15
      And why the Nazis, Bandera, Nazis can not be well armed, equipped and trained. I am more and more convinced that the "military review" was occupied by hokhlobots. Really Russophobe's training manual in almost all comments. It seems that all Russians have already been squeezed out of the resource. Now the commentators from Kuev are drenching Lvov.
      1. tatra
        tatra 15 November 2022 09: 36
        +6
        And who are among you, the enemies of the USSR who seized the RSFSR - the patriots of Russia? These are those who are behind the colossal economic, human, reputational damage that this SVO inflicted on Russia and the Russian people? And at the same time, for a whole 8,5 months, they could not come up with an adequate answer - why did you plunge Russia and its people into this.
        Are they the ones who always lie and act hypocrites?
        In the NWO, you, the Russian enemies of the USSR, are fighting against the Ukrainian enemies of the USSR. All point.
        And you have already done EVERYTHING that, with your hypocritical "righteous anger" and "philanthropy", you accuse the Soviet communists, including the fact that you are ready to write down all dissidents as "enemies of the people" and "agents of enemy states."
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 15 November 2022 10: 00
        +6
        Quote: vfrcbv1965-2011
        And why the Nazis, Bandera, Nazis can not be well armed, equipped and trained. I am more and more convinced that the "military review" was occupied by hokhlobots. Really Russophobe's training manual in almost all comments. It seems that all Russians have already been squeezed out of the resource. Now the commentators from Kuev are drenching Lvov.

        Firstly, I categorically dislike the invented word Nazis and nationalists. Not all fans of Nazism are far from there. Nazis are maximum 30 percent there. It’s time to understand for a long time that Ukraine is an independent state and they defend their homeland. under the slogan of liberating it from Putin and K. With a change in the political system
        1. Mishka78
          Mishka78 15 November 2022 14: 36
          +4
          Quote: Pilat2009
          as if Biden attacked Russia under the slogan of liberating it from Putin and K. With a change in the political system

          Well, actually, this is what Herr Hitler did in his time. It was declared that the Wehrmacht of the USSR would be freed from the power of the Jews and the Bolsheviks. And he does not fight with the people. The end is known. For some reason, the feeling is getting stronger that Russia has made a terrible mistake ..
    2. Skif
      Skif 15 November 2022 21: 03
      -1
      Mythical, you say, Nazis and Bandera? Oh well. Of course, you know better from Ukraine.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 15 November 2022 21: 19
        -2
        Quote: Skif
        Mythical, you say, Nazis and Bandera? Oh well. Of course, you know better from Ukraine.

        Firstly, you don’t know how to read. And secondly, turn on the brain. TV will not replace the brain
  33. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 15 November 2022 08: 36
    +9
    If we had REAL journalists in Russia who would ask questions to Putin, Peskov, Shoigu, Zakharova, Kanashenkov, etc. every day. - about untouchable bridges, railway junctions, train stations, tunnels, trains, depots, etc. in Ukraine, about leaving Russian land under agreements - every day, with the question of betrayal in the highest echelons of power in Russia, then something would begin to change. And all that is happening now is just whining of tg-channels and authors of articles. Stop whining! Go with your conclusions to Putin and his lads, ask them all these questions!
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 15 November 2022 09: 45
      +9
      Then we would have Real journalists, but in prison or in a cemetery.
      1. TatarinSSSR
        TatarinSSSR 15 November 2022 09: 50
        +9
        Then how does our government differ in this regard from Kyiv?
        1. AdAstra
          AdAstra 15 November 2022 12: 42
          +4
          And this is an interesting question, however, but I can’t give you an answer to it. hi
  34. Krilion
    Krilion 15 November 2022 08: 39
    +5
    as practice has shown, the Russian military and political leadership are capable of any madness that contradicts military science and common sense ... under such conditions, I fully admit the surrender of anything and the retreat to Chukotka itself ... either psychiatrists or counterintelligence should intervene in the situation long ago. .. it is already obvious to everyone that the General Staff is either mad or traitors ...
    1. gafovec
      gafovec 15 November 2022 09: 27
      +3
      "intervene counterintelligence"? What? Will she be allowed?
    2. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 15 November 2022 11: 42
      +2
      In the General Staff, you say, madmen and traitors? And in your opinion, who is in counterintelligence? By the way, I recently read on Reporter that the only one who objected to the SVO was Gerasimov, but the Supreme Commander accepted the option that the special services insisted on.
      1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
        Vasilyevich Pensioner 15 November 2022 12: 01
        -1
        Directly entrusted all the ins and outs to the chela from the Reporter? Walk with one foot opens the door to the offices?
        1. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 15 November 2022 14: 06
          +1
          The author refers to the director of the EAEU Institute. He opens the cabinets with his foot or with his hand - I can’t say.
          1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
            Vasilyevich Pensioner 15 November 2022 14: 19
            -1
            Yes, many of us refer to someone, you are tormented by links to run to find reality.
            1. UAZ 452
              UAZ 452 15 November 2022 15: 19
              +2
              I do not argue with this - now there are no problems to replace reality with absolute virtuality, and there will be links and videos. But to deny absolutely all the information - and you can reach complete sollipsism, deciding that only you yourself are real, and the rest are your glitches.
              1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                Vasilyevich Pensioner 15 November 2022 15: 30
                -1
                Simply, in my incompetent opinion, the level of such information cannot allow it to go outside.
                1. UAZ 452
                  UAZ 452 15 November 2022 15: 46
                  +1
                  Now the thirst for hype has become universal, so I would not rule out such a possibility. Yes, and reasonable people have long understood that secrecy is easier to achieve not withholding information, to the creation of white noise - numerous and varied emissions, among which it is simply impossible to isolate the truth.
                  1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                    Vasilyevich Pensioner 15 November 2022 16: 08
                    -2
                    Now the thirst for complete information about everything has reached the level of paranoia, and even boasting that he (no matter who) knows for sure has become the norm. And often no longer require facts to confirm. Here they pick up and share.
                    1. UAZ 452
                      UAZ 452 15 November 2022 18: 31
                      0
                      Let me just give you a link to the material where I read it, and then decide for yourself whether it is convincing or not.
                      https://topcor.ru/29163-bolshoj-dzhihad-kadyrova-pochemu-ne-snimajut-gerasimova-i-zachem-surovikin-bombit-ukrainskie-tjes.html
                      1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                        Vasilyevich Pensioner 15 November 2022 18: 50
                        +2
                        I read it, but I didn’t believe in the veracity, because the reasoning about the introduction of peacekeepers is very strange. Data was received on the offensive plan of the Armed Forces, with a huge saturation of their personnel, equipment, and first to get a blow to ours, and then react by bringing in the RF Armed Forces - a proposal from a military of this level is illogical. T / c this implies our and Donbass huge losses.
  35. Suslin
    Suslin 15 November 2022 08: 41
    -19
    As always, an attempt to draw the causal place to the chin. In addition to the cries of "Everything is lost" from this article, I did not understand anything. Alternative actions on the part of the Russian army are not considered from the word AT ALL. Not a word about the reserve from the mobilized. In general, a continuous cry of liberals.
    1. gafovec
      gafovec 15 November 2022 09: 26
      +5
      "What are the alternative actions from the military"? What is it about? I have assumptions that our generals do not want to fight, our generals do not know how to fight, our generals are not allowed to fight.
      1. trenkkvaz
        trenkkvaz 15 November 2022 12: 10
        +4
        I'm freaking out with you all, you don't see the obvious and understandable, which is why all these incomprehensible movements.
        Even from your comment, it is clear that you missed the essentially correct answer about the generals.
        The generals have nothing to fight with. Nothing!
        Yes, open the map of Ukraine and the front at last, and look at the distances. It seems that children have gathered here who do not understand elementary things.
        The main problem is the initial shortage of personnel for such a size of the front.
        And all these so-called supposedly "agreements" and "goodwill gestures" were made solely for this reason. But they don't say it directly, and therefore they come up with such names.
        In fact, Russia bit off a very large piece in February, which was more than it could swallow based on the forces used. And then gradually spit out part.
        And now, in principle, taking into account mobilization, everything has come into balance.
        There are a lot of stupid people here who really thought that 200 thousand could carry out large offensive operations to encircle?
        1. TatarinSSSR
          TatarinSSSR 15 November 2022 13: 32
          +2
          Chet tells me that "a bunch of stupid people" are not those who gathered here, but those who made the decision in Moscow with the help of "200 thousand to carry out large-scale offensive operations to encircle." Think about it.
          1. trenkkvaz
            trenkkvaz 15 November 2022 15: 17
            -3
            There was no decision to conduct major offensive operations against the encirclement.
            No one was surrounded, except for Mariupol.
            The goal was to take the leadership of Ukraine to the show, with a rapid advance towards Kyiv.
            Kherson was generally taken to the ball by accident.
            Therefore, there were negotiations in March, realizing that Russia would not be able to do anything further with the available forces.
            Ukraine refused to negotiate.
            It became clear that the plan to take on a show off failed, and in order not to get surrounded themselves, the troops were withdrawn from the North.
            Further, our forces tried to gain a foothold at least in the South with the available forces.
            In the end, they realized that even for this they did not have enough strength, they announced mobilization.
            The troops were withdrawn beyond the Dnieper. Because those forces are clearly not enough there.
            All actions in the fall, including negotiations, are dragging out time until the numbers increase and are firmly established at the current frontiers.
            And then we'll see.
  36. Dutchman
    Dutchman 15 November 2022 08: 48
    +16
    When I repeatedly wrote in the forums that the main foreign agents of Russia are sitting in the Kremlin, I was banned everywhere and called almost a traitor to the motherland, and now all the patriots of the country are writing about this almost openly. Everyone who was not indifferent to the fate of Russia understood perfectly well that this Ukrainian adventure, staged by the "great" Kremlin strategist and supervised by the Chinese big brother, would not lead Russia to anything good. The whole question now is how to get out of this swamp, since now even complete morons understand that the "special military operation" ended in a complete fiasco!
  37. Yuri Khuchev
    Yuri Khuchev 15 November 2022 08: 51
    +2
    So I just can’t understand why it was necessary to occupy so many cities, to encourage people to accept everyone in Russia, so that later they stupidly throw everyone under the Nazis?
    1. tatra
      tatra 15 November 2022 09: 43
      +7
      Some of the "Putin's detachments" still believe that the citizens of Ukraine simply craved and crave that the Russian enemies of the USSR would "liberate them from the Nazis."
  38. Boris55
    Boris55 15 November 2022 08: 53
    -14
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov, A. Staver
    So Melitopol, by virtue of the above arguments, can easily become the subject of another deal

    You have not forgotten by chance that Militopol is part of Russia and all the talk about transfer of parts of the territory of Russia to anyone, contradict the Constitution and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?

    "Constitution. Art. 64: p. 2.1. The Russian Federation ensures the protection of its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions ... aimed at alienating part of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions are not allowed".

    "Article 280.2 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "Violation of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation." It provides for criminal liability for the alienation of part of the territory of the Russian Federation or other actionsaimed at violating territorial integrity. The punishment is set imprisonment for a term of six to 10 years".
    1. 1939_1940
      1939_1940 15 November 2022 09: 23
      +14
      You remind the Minister of Defense and the General Staff .. laughing
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 15 November 2022 09: 33
        -16
        Quote: 1939_1940
        You remind the Minister of Defense and the General Staff ..

        These articles (of the Constitution and the Criminal Code) do not apply not to those cases where there is: "... delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states" incl. and carried out by military means.

        This is exactly what the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff are doing in Ukraine - clarifying the borders of the Russian Federation. Those territories that are already included in Russia are not subject to exclusion.
        1. solar
          solar 15 November 2022 10: 57
          +6
          delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states, including and carried out by military means.

          What an interesting approach. So Rostov and Kursk can be handed over? as you write there, "re-demarcation by military means" ...
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 15 November 2022 11: 04
            -15
            Quote from solar
            What an interesting approach. So Rostov and Kursk can be handed over?

            It happened that Rostov, and Kursk, and even Moscow surrendered, but the final victory was ours. Do not rush.
            1. solar
              solar 15 November 2022 11: 52
              +6
              Do you also plan to surrender Moscow? Do you have big plans...
            2. Monster_Fat
              Monster_Fat 15 November 2022 16: 18
              +3
              Boris (emphasis on the first syllable) always has "interesting" interpretations of the Constitution and the duties of the main person - as the proverb says in the direction of the drawbar - as he turned, so it happened. Here it turns out that the delimitation and demarcation of borders with neighboring states must be carried out by military means. First, the state is recognized as sovereign within the borders for such and such a number, and then the borders are shaken with tanks and missiles. This is according to him, all "normal" countries turn out to be, they do it, well, it's accepted that way, yeah. Who is Boris' next for "demarcation"? USA? There with Alaska not everything is clear. wink
            3. TatarinSSSR
              TatarinSSSR 15 November 2022 19: 16
              -1
              You've completely confused everything in the world. 1941-1945 there was a war where Germany and its allies ATTACKED the USSR. War was officially declared between the countries. And martial law throughout the USSR. 2022 Russia invaded a neighboring state (whose sovereignty was officially accepted by it) - Ukraine, and launched a Special Military Operation. No declaration of war. Do you feel the difference? Attack the neighboring country first, declare the occupied lands Russian, and then retreat and give them back without a fight.
      2. tatra
        tatra 15 November 2022 09: 45
        +9
        As they say, "what is allowed to Jupiter ...". Putin's propagandists on TV are already openly calling the NWO a war, and no one is punishing them for this.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 15 November 2022 09: 53
          -11
          Quote: tatra
          call NWO war

          In order to have a clear image of what is happening, one must look not at the word that this or that phenomenon is called, but at the very essence of this phenomenon..

          Are they wrong? Then give your definition of what is SVO?

          My understanding of what is happening. If the armies of two states are fighting on both sides, with weapons in their hands, then what is this if not a war? Is it really so easy to mislead you just by changing the word for these phenomena?
          1. tatra
            tatra 15 November 2022 10: 00
            +6
            Not sure what this comment is for. You ask the Russian enemies of the USSR in power why they are so AFRAID to honestly name what they have been doing in Ukraine since February 24th.
    2. solar
      solar 15 November 2022 10: 19
      +6
      Have you forgotten that Militopol is part of Russia and all the talk about the transfer of part of the territory of Russia to someone else contradicts the Constitution and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?

      Like Kherson. I saw two people discussing his transfer to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. They are already, I suppose, being dragged by investigators?
    3. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 15 November 2022 10: 24
      +6
      Quote: Boris55
      Quote: R. Skomorokhov, A. Staver
      So Melitopol, by virtue of the above arguments, can easily become the subject of another deal

      You have not forgotten by chance that Militopol is part of Russia and all the talk about transfer of parts of the territory of Russia to anyone, contradict the Constitution and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?.....

      Did you happen to forget that Kherson was also included?
      Quote: Boris55

      These articles (of the Constitution and the Criminal Code) do not apply not to those cases where there is: "... delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states" incl. and carried out by military means.

      This is exactly what the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff are doing in Ukraine - clarifying the borders of the Russian Federation. Those territories that are already included in Russia are not subject to exclusion.

      What then is the problem in the surrender of Melitopol for our leadership? After all, the border line has not yet been "demarcated, delimited" and so on?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 15 November 2022 10: 54
        -11
        Quote: Beringovsky
        What then is the problem in the surrender of Melitopol

        There is a war going on, and while it is not over, it is not permissible to draw hasty conclusions. Anything can happen in a war, and the enemy, at different times (Poles, French, Germans), stood near Moscow, only victory has always been and will be ours. They want to kill (Muscovite to Gilyak) and rob us, but we want to live - these are incomparable incentives. That is why victory will be ours!

        The question is put not truly, not that we discuss.

        The question is, who "lured" our army into this trap? If anyone has forgotten, then Kherson was surrendered to us almost without a fight. That is why I believe that the entry of our troops to the right bank of the Dnieper was a deliberate betrayal, or even worse - stupidity.
        1. Sarboz
          Sarboz 16 November 2022 14: 12
          0
          Quote: Boris55
          That is why I believe that the entry of our troops to the right bank of the Dnieper was a deliberate betrayal, or even worse - stupidity.

          First I gave you a plus. Then for these words he removed him.
          The occupation of the right bank opened the way to the capture of Nikolaev and Odessa. At the time, it made sense. Who knew that progress would then stall so much?
    4. TatarinSSSR
      TatarinSSSR 15 November 2022 13: 37
      +2
      Urgently apply to the prosecutor's office for anti-constitutional actions of the President of the Russian Federation, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation and the beginning. General Staff of the Russian Federation. For the voluntary transfer without a fight to the neighboring state of the Russian city of Kherson and other settlements. Are you still at home? Get dressed and go!
  39. krex pax
    krex pax 15 November 2022 08: 55
    +9
    Where is the country headed? A couple of months ago, an article with such content would have been subjected to derogatory criticism. Now the comments are loyal to this analysis, where the surrender of Russian cities, in general, has become a familiar reality. The Kremlin's policy has led to an understanding of the main values ​​of political leadership. Salvage and loyalty to Western partners erased such concepts as patriotism and national pride. For the Power in the Kremlin was not hurt. Everything is for sale and exchange.
    1. tatra
      tatra 15 November 2022 09: 48
      +6
      Well, Ukrainian enemies of the USSR do not need Russian cities. And Putin simply came up with this "Holiday" on September 30 for his insane, aggressive "cheers-patriots".
    2. Skif
      Skif 15 November 2022 21: 13
      0
      "Now the comments are loyal to this analysis...". Something tells me that not the comments have become loyal, but there are many liberal commentators. Or not from here. from adjacent territory.
  40. Tank destroyerSU-100
    Tank destroyerSU-100 15 November 2022 08: 57
    +2
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov, A. Staver
    So Melitopol, by virtue of the above arguments, can easily become the subject of another deal

    You have not forgotten by chance that Militopol is part of Russia and all the talk about transfer of parts of the territory of Russia to anyone, contradict the Constitution and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?

    “A new article 280.2 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation “Violation of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation” is being introduced into the Criminal Code. It provides for criminal liability for the alienation of part of the territory of the Russian Federation or other actionsaimed at violating territorial integrity. The punishment is imprisonment for a term of six to 10 years".

    We have a law that drawbar. In order to save the loot of the oligarchs and his gesheft on trade in foreign markets, they will do anything.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 15 November 2022 09: 00
      -17
      Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
      We have a law that drawbar

      Want to check it out? Then let's start right now, right here, calling on you to break it, and we'll see how long it takes for someone to knock on your door. laughing
      1. solar
        solar 15 November 2022 10: 20
        +5
        Already started. Kherson was handed over to Ukraine.
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          1. solar
            solar 15 November 2022 11: 56
            +3
            Brad some for an hour and a half. So what about those who offered to transfer Kherson to Ukraine?
  41. Tank destroyerSU-100
    Tank destroyerSU-100 15 November 2022 09: 00
    +6
    They will take dill, dump water from the Kakhovka reservoir, and the Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant will close without cooling, and Crimea will again be left without water. There will be scope for the Kremlin agitprop to arrange the ecumenical "Yaroslavna's Lament", they say, what dill byaki. The howl will stand such that the wolves will nervously smoke on the sidelines.
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    2. solar
      solar 15 November 2022 10: 22
      +3
      They won't do it, it's not profitable for them. If Novaya Kakhovka is taken, the canal will be blocked without it. And they obviously expect to get the Zaporizhzhya NPP soon enough.
  42. alexey_444
    alexey_444 15 November 2022 09: 02
    -17
    In principle, almost everything is true, except for the oligarchs, no matter what the Russian authorities are, but they perform their duties, could it be better? Ask the Germans how their authorities cut their industry. Our expectations from our.... These are our expectations based on nothing. Before, most likely, everything will return to 13, there will be no Donbass and Crimea, but if now we manage this process, then if the Ukrainians were the first to go in three or four years, the losses would be much greater both in technology and in people and in reputation, we need to look at the world more broadly. And now we have acquired several million people, and we are not threatened with extinction.
    1. gafovec
      gafovec 15 November 2022 09: 22
      +15
      How many people have been lost? Healthy men, excuse me, of reproductive age.
      1. alexey_444
        alexey_444 15 November 2022 10: 01
        -8
        Any decision is a compromise, but we pay a high price for it, but as they say, the pike, so that the crucian does not doze off, it’s a pity for the one whom it ate, of course, but this is how humanity works, there will always be the King of the Hill, spreading rot others.
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 15 November 2022 10: 16
      +3
      Quote: alexey_444
      In principle, almost everything is true, except for the oligarchs, no matter what the Russian authorities are, but they perform their duties, could it be better? Ask the Germans how their authorities cut their industry. Our expectations from our.... These are our expectations based on nothing. Before, most likely, everything will return to 13, there will be no Donbass and Crimea, but if now we manage this process, then if the Ukrainians were the first to go in three or four years, the losses would be much greater both in technology and in people and in reputation, we need to look at the world more broadly. And now we have acquired several million people, and we are not threatened with extinction.

      If they hadn’t smoked bamboo and prepared all this time, and didn’t conduct biathlon, then Ukraine would not have attacked. The loss of trained troops in the defense is much less than the attacking troops. border?
      1. alexey_444
        alexey_444 15 November 2022 10: 24
        -5
        Until the thunder breaks out, the peasant does not cross himself, I would like to foresee everything in advance.
    3. Kronos
      Kronos 15 November 2022 10: 54
      +8
      You mean not in danger of extinction? Causes eliminated population depopulation ?
      1. alexey_444
        alexey_444 15 November 2022 12: 28
        -7
        The reasons have not been eliminated, this is a payment for civility, but it takes longer to fall from a large mountain than from a small one.
    4. newtc7
      newtc7 15 November 2022 13: 11
      +7
      Quote: alexey_444
      In principle, almost everything is true, except for the oligarchs, no matter what the Russian authorities are, but they perform their duties, could it be better? Ask the Germans how their authorities cut their industry. Our expectations from our.... These are our expectations based on nothing. Before, most likely, everything will return to 13, there will be no Donbass and Crimea, but if now we manage this process, then if the Ukrainians were the first to go in three or four years, the losses would be much greater both in technology and in people and in reputation, we need to look at the world more broadly. And now we have acquired several million people, and we are not threatened with extinction.


      If you cut off your hand, you will jump for joy that the genital organ remained in place, so it turns out?
      I honestly suck at such comments, is it either some Kremlinbots, or maybe Volodin writes))
      It is necessary to look at the world more broadly - some kind of phrase that has been popular lately with your brother.
      Belogorod went to Ukraine? We need to look at the world more broadly, we have Vladivostok.
      Has our army suffered yet another defeat? It is necessary to look at the world more broadly, the soldiers fought quite worthily.
      Our army has nothing, did the officials steal everything? It is necessary to look at the world more broadly, but the life of officials has improved.
      You are so used to lying to yourself and others that you are no longer able to look at things honestly.
      1. alexey_444
        alexey_444 15 November 2022 14: 47
        -3
        Read Borodino, there about all the commentators with big pluses, they do not win with emotions. I’m paralyzed by some kind of children’s wishlist of the authors on the site, now I want to bomb bridges, now I want to soak Zelensky, now I want, I want, how everyone croaks in the swamp and I croak. There is an option not to breed women's snot, to take a machine gun to the front line and show how it should be, etc. officials think they steal, well, become an official and don’t steal, become a doctor and don’t take envelopes, everyone is to blame except ourselves.
        1. newtc7
          newtc7 15 November 2022 14: 56
          +4
          You walk with your machine gun at the forefront. For whom to fight, for traitors who surrender their lands for the sake of incomprehensible deals? No thanks.
          Episode 1: Soldier the country needs you go to the front!
          Episode 2: we held a referendum and Kherson is part of Russia!
          Episode 3: Let's hand over Kherson, it will be more profitable.
          Is that why you're asking me to die? Forward if you wish.
          Become an official? We do not become officials, we are born with them. Or they become throwing out all the principles. I'm not ready, sorry.
          These are not childish wishes, these are normal thinking of normal people, officials cannot understand it. We asked for CBO? No. But if you already got into a fight - fight and do not try to negotiate in the process. And as if 300 thousand were called up in three weeks, then the people are ready. But what's the point if the commanders are mediocre, traitors and just idiots?
          1. alexey_444
            alexey_444 16 November 2022 08: 51
            -1
            Here are those who at the front they show by deed, they don’t rant in which cottage the general’s wife lives, maybe remember about Zhukov, the trains brought junk from Germany. There was such a stupid politician Yavlinsky, I believed him, he was young, that we need independent courts, laws, so that officials do not steal and then the economy will grow, but it turned out that Bloomberg confirmed it using the example of China (its economy will stop growing) and what is the reason ? Population growth will decrease, not a word about corruption and other Yavlinsky nonsense, but just look at India, corruption is an order of magnitude higher than ours, I don’t even stutter about castes, but the economy is growing, there are more people. There is a cool expression for you when you want to go to the toilet, you don’t look for reasons, you go and do it, it’s cold, it doesn’t matter, but when you want something, yes. I have already written here many times, we cannot win, there are no advantages to do this, and you are proposing how Ukrainians should throw fighters to slaughter, like an adult. Study the materiel.
            1. newtc7
              newtc7 18 November 2022 16: 43
              0
              What makes you think that corruption is stronger in India than in Russia? Where does such data come from?
              Everything is developing there at a rapid pace, we can only show a picture, but in reality ZERO.
              1. alexey_444
                alexey_444 19 November 2022 17: 58
                0
                Read what people who were there write, they can easily if you don’t fly at the station on a charter for several hours until you pay. There is no corruption for tourists in Goa. It’s like in Paris, a couple of blocks from the center, and there Arabs with blacks with bats sit in cars , like in American action movies.
                1. newtc7
                  newtc7 22 November 2022 16: 54
                  0
                  Quote: alexey_444
                  Read what people who were there write, they can easily if you don’t fly at the station on a charter for several hours until you pay. There is no corruption for tourists in Goa. It’s like in Paris, a couple of blocks from the center, and there Arabs with blacks with bats sit in cars , like in American action movies.


                  Yes, I agree that India is a third world country, I also talked with a Hindu about work.
                  But why should we look up to them, we need to look up to ourselves in the best shape. I do not consider India, China, America, France, etc., to be authorities. I think that we can be better than all of them, we have excellent starting conditions for this: a gigantic territory, a full range of resources, a smart, mostly educated and enterprising population, patriotism is not an empty phrase, though. And a giant problem in managing it all
                  1. alexey_444
                    alexey_444 23 November 2022 07: 41
                    +1
                    I agree, but this is how the world works, how long did Ilya Muromets sit on the stove? Until it was shut down, is this our national trait, is it wrong, should it be different? Of course, the question is how to do it.
                    1. newtc7
                      newtc7 26 November 2022 02: 22
                      0
                      Quote: alexey_444
                      I agree, but this is how the world works, how long did Ilya Muromets sit on the stove? Until it was shut down, is this our national trait, is it wrong, should it be different? Of course, the question is how to do it.


                      Yes, you are right, we are all like that. I make this myself sometimes. But it's time to get up!
                      1. alexey_444
                        alexey_444 26 November 2022 12: 01
                        0
                        in a word, the mysterious Russian soul.
  43. Edas
    Edas 15 November 2022 09: 02
    +7
    Yes, we saw yesterday Zelensky came to Russia. In English as in the native bazaar.
    1. gafovec
      gafovec 15 November 2022 09: 21
      +11
      Did he and his retinue receive a Russian visa? If not, it is necessary to express protest, concern, draw a red line. Strictly warn against the escalation of tension. Didn't forget anything?
      1. solar
        solar 15 November 2022 11: 58
        +4
        Did he and his retinue receive a Russian visa?

        Doesn't he have visa-free entry?
        It’s better for him to sew the organization of illegal rallies :))
      2. newtc7
        newtc7 15 November 2022 14: 57
        +1
        Quote from gafovec
        Did he and his retinue receive a Russian visa? If not, it is necessary to express protest, concern, draw a red line. Strictly warn against the escalation of tension. Didn't forget anything?


        Sir, you are aiming for politics! You will go far))
  44. gafovec
    gafovec 15 November 2022 09: 16
    +4
    Questions arise: 1) if the Dnieper fails, will there not be the next "gesture of good will" on the borders of Crimea and the Rostov region? 2) for what purpose did we so cheerfully regroup from the right bank? It was futile to hold it, and from a military point of view, the left bank is not possible, ALREADY, we are talking about a 5-kilometer withdrawal from the river.

    SHAME continues?
  45. ivan2022
    ivan2022 15 November 2022 09: 21
    +9
    Maybe on February 24, the Supreme Commander frankly did not know what we were getting into? Did you live in a different reality? . And the true picture even opened to him only a week later.

    One thing is embarrassing - Naryshkin's behavior on February 24 is one of a kind .... He clearly agreed under pressure, which was evident even on TV.
    And THIS is really bad.
    1. Alexander_Belov
      Alexander_Belov 15 November 2022 09: 55
      +9
      They all live in their own reality. They laughed at Naryshkin after the Security Council, but he was really the most knowledgeable. But the problem is, why didn't BB give objective information? The question arises: toadies or incompetence? This time.
      The General Staff receives information (ideally, as it should be) from the GRU and duplicates it with a check through the SVR. Two structures, even taking into account our mess, could not give a completely "left" information. The question is the same: toadies or incompetence? This is two.
      It's probably a mix of problems.
      But again, the heroism of the soldiers in the trenches will not be able to compensate for strategic miscalculations and frank agreements.
      We are moving towards 1985-1991 at full speed.
    2. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 15 November 2022 11: 54
      +3
      They write that Gerasimov also objected. So who, then, are those gray cardinals who persuaded the guarantor to ruin the army and the country? Isn't he the only one who came up with this? Special services played in global politics?
    3. newtc7
      newtc7 15 November 2022 13: 05
      0
      Quote: ivan2022
      Maybe on February 24, the Supreme Commander frankly did not know what we were getting into? Did you live in a different reality? . And the true picture even opened to him only a week later.

      One thing is embarrassing - Naryshkin's behavior on February 24 is one of a kind .... He clearly agreed under pressure, which was evident even on TV.
      And THIS is really bad.


      The true picture is still not visible to him. He still sleeps and sees how to have dinner with respected partners. Everything must be viewed not through the prism of the goals that are declared, but through such a prism “we really want to sit down at the table with Western gentlemen again, and even as an equal partner, well, at least almost equal, at least just sit down. This is the whole essence of the NWO, he spat on the Russian lands, the Russian world and the Russian people. He thinks about us one thing "everyone will endure."
  46. Million
    Million 15 November 2022 09: 23
    +6
    Putin still turns out to be a pawn, not a queen?
    1. Dutchman
      Dutchman 15 November 2022 09: 29
      +2
      And from the very beginning I still suspected that the real curators of the special operation were in Beijing, Washington, Istanbul, that is, the main beneficiaries of this war am
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 15 November 2022 10: 23
      +3
      Quote: Million
      Putin still turns out to be a pawn, not a queen?

      Putin is 70 years old. At this time, they return to childhood. Not without reason, earlier in the constitution, the age was limited to 65 years. The example of the senile Politburo forced the age to be limited to 65 years.
  47. AdAstra
    AdAstra 15 November 2022 09: 28
    +8

    I repeat, but I think it fits. """
  48. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 November 2022 09: 32
    0
    I don’t know, they say that fortified areas are being built en masse ......
    1. Vlad 63
      Vlad 63 15 November 2022 10: 21
      +3
      Kherson was also prepared for defense. Fortifications and strongholds were erected. In general, we were told from irons that Kherson would become "Terrible" for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It didn't grow.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 16 November 2022 09: 48
        0
        The loss of drugs that Ukraine can now afford - the Russian Federation cannot afford. And whatever Kherson was, it was necessary to develop an offensive against Nikolai ... and for this, the mobilization of 300 thousand people would have been needed back in March 2022. With all the consequences. Etc. You can consider leaving Kherson in a different time period. Somewhere it's right, but somewhere it's a jamb.
  49. hermit
    hermit 15 November 2022 09: 53
    +4
    What a terrible life. Soon the Ukrainian flag will fly over the Kremlin and Putin will flee to China or North Korea.
  50. acetophenone
    acetophenone 15 November 2022 09: 54
    +7
    The Red Banner Heroic Guards Black Sea Fleet has proudly huddled in a corner and is being used as floating launchers, so that, God forbid, not to violate the ban on the INF. Negotiated during ... uh .... in short, the agreement continues.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 15 November 2022 12: 00
      +3
      And can I remind you - when was the last time the Black Sea Fleet acted not only heroically, but also successfully? Its heroic history mainly consists of self-sinking of ships, the death of flagships without any damage to the enemy, or even just in peacetime, the defense of their bases with their subsequent surrender. What is the most heroic on this list?
    2. newtc7
      newtc7 15 November 2022 18: 33
      0
      Quote: acetophenon
      The Red Banner Heroic Guards Black Sea Fleet has proudly huddled in a corner and is being used as floating launchers, so that, God forbid, not to violate the ban on the INF. Negotiated during ... uh .... in short, the agreement continues.


      And the funny thing is that there is already no agreement, the Americans have left.
      And our guarantor said that he would still fulfill the terms of the contract! To spite the adversary!
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 16 November 2022 09: 51
      0
      Our Navy has always been a highly specialized fleet. And to strike, as now, he had nothing special to strike on land. Only battleships (which is laid up in Novorossiysk) and then there are 152mm guns. About the landing capabilities of the USSR Navy, and even more so the Russian Navy, one can remain silent with envy.