Gozman: Losses of the USSR in the war cannot justify Stalin’s pre-war cooperation with Hitler

9 May 2020 294

On the eve of Victory Day, Leonid Gozman, a well-known politician of ultra-liberal orientation, burst out with material in which he decided to “analyze” to a certain extent the data on the victims of the Great Patriotic War in the USSR and whether Soviet citizens voluntarily or involuntarily went to the front. The material was published on the blog on the website of the Echo of Moscow radio station.

Gozman began by expressing gratitude to Vladimir Putin’s father and “hundreds of thousands of such citizens” who refused “armor” (at the enterprises) and went to the front. After this, the politician declares that Putin’s words about voluntarily sending his father to the front are an attempt to declare that it was not the state that sacrificed its citizens in the name of victory, but that the people themselves voluntarily and knowingly made sacrifices.

Gozman states that the multimillion-dollar loss of the Soviet Union in the war against Nazi Germany “cannot justify the pre-war cooperation of Stalin with Hitler and the expansionism of the USSR in the post-war years.”

In addition, Gozman writes that monstrous losses could have been avoided if, for example, the inhabitants of Leningrad were evacuated.
And Gozman “crowns” his material with the phrase that May 9 does not need salutes, but care for veterans. Apparently, according to Gozman, it is impossible to combine fireworks in honor of the Great Victory with care for veterans ...

As you can see, in his publication, Mr. Gozman decided to try on the tunic of the supreme commander of the times of World War II. Who else, if not Gozman from 2020, should know what the state and the army had to do in 1941 ... Who else, if not Gozman in 2020, should give an assessment to the "expansionism of the USSR" ... The politician is so categorical and decisive, like any mature liberal, precisely because he is in 2020, and the people he talks about made decisions in the 30s and 40s. And where would Leonid Gozman be today, if those decisions were not made, an open question.

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aglet

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9 May 2020 22: 40

Quote: DDT
The US would not have entered the war

and to hell with them, they fought a lot, the war would have ended six months later, and as for Lend-Lease, they will sell their Statue of Liberty for money, and for our gold, they would sell the same thing as in this reality
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1. Pushkar
  
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  11 May 2020 09: 16
  
  Quote: aglet
  but we don’t shout at the whole world - Holocaust, Holocaust. Don’t exaggerate your role on this earth
  
  Let me remind you that the Holocaust is In a broad sense[1] - the persecution and mass extermination by the Nazis of representatives of various ethnic and social groups (Soviet prisoners of war, Poles, Jews, Gypsies, homosexual men, Freemasons, hopelessly sick and disabled people, etc.) during the existence of Nazi Germany. The Ost plan did not provide for a Russian holocaust, only partial destruction and “displacement” beyond the Urals. The Jews WERE exterminated throughout the territory occupied by the Third Reich. However, if you like to be a victim, shout. I prefer to be a Winner.
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Al_lexx

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9 May 2020 23: 55

It's time to remind this asshole of Ehmann and Heydrich.
1. Pushkar
  
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  11 May 2020 09: 18
  
  Quote: Al_lexx
  It's time to remind this asshole of Ehmann and Heydrich.
  
  And where did they end up?
  1. Al_lexx
    
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    11 May 2020 11: 15
    
    Quote: Pushkar
    Quote: Al_lexx
    It's time to remind this asshole of Ehmann and Heydrich.
    
    And where did they end up?
    
    Do you want to argue or in a cup?
    It's not about where they ended up, but about how they distinguished themselves. And if they had not done what they did, then you would have no reason to try to argue with me here now.
Incvizitor

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10 May 2020 02: 43
What is he like to dare to yap something about Stalin? Just useless liberal dirt.
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Zomanus

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10 May 2020 04: 01

Editors, why the hell did you bring this crap here?
Laurels of Novaya Gazeta and Lenta. They don’t give me peace for lying?
The dude was deprived of the opportunity to become a lampshade, so he suffers.
Let all this feces remain on the Rain and Echo of Matzo.
tarragon

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10 May 2020 06: 11

Many European countries cooperated, and America is infallible too. This once again proves that the USSR did not want war, which is why the attack was called treacherous.
nikolaj1703

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10 May 2020 07: 44

I am ashamed of the Jew Gozman. He doesn't understand what he's talking about. Some incomprehensible creature: no faith, no intelligence.
Growlers

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10 May 2020 08: 35

But what about the cooperation between the USA and Great Britain, which practically financed the National Socialists’ rise to power and supplied them with strategic materials throughout the war? Have they already been acquitted? Why is the USSR so “disfavored”? Have mercy on us, American citizen, chatterbox and generally dishonest person.
Retvizan 8

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10 May 2020 08: 45

What a degroder this Gozman is, where does he go with his clever little mind.
What kind of analyst is he?
He is kept in the media as long as he spews filth against Russia from his filthy mouth!
gvozdan

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10 May 2020 09: 45

You listen to all sorts of gozmans and you begin to partially understand Adolf
BOB044

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10 May 2020 10: 34

Let him say this in the USA or in England. That they collaborated with Hitler and invested in the German economy. I respect the Jewish nationality. But when I see this cross-eyed creature. I just wish his parents didn't end up in the gas chamber.
aglet

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10 May 2020 10: 36

Quote: Hog
After using the NVD, the eyes also glow, so what?

very interesting, can you give more details?
aglet

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10 May 2020 11: 03

Quote: Krasnodar
And their tanks were Merkavas, and the blood of the Romanian and German Unterofitskroa was added to the matzo

“The ISRAELI newspaper Vesti published sensational material about 150 thousand Jewish soldiers and officers who fought in Hitler’s army.” well and further - http://nvo.ng.ru/history/2002-09-20/5_gitler.html
MelkorAintGood

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10 May 2020 11: 55

Supplies of cargo from the USSR to the Reich were carried out right up to the day of the attack, that is, all the time from the beginning of WWII. Will anyone dispute this?
1. thrust
  
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  10 May 2020 14: 38
  
  no, of course not, but these deliveries began long before Adolf came to power. there was also a non-aggression pact (to complete the five-year plan). from a political point of view, the decision was correct, politicians rarely point their horns, this is necessary at the front
Yury Siritsky

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10 May 2020 12: 02

How he got by with his conclusions. What does he even know about the war? Just blurt out something to spoil that period of time.
Kibl

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10 May 2020 13: 07

What a talking creature without lamb fat. I think he will be pleased.
Andrey Krasnoyarsky

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10 May 2020 13: 56

Oh, this Western liberal fairy tale about “friendship and cooperation” between the USSR and Germany in 1939-41! In fact, there was neither one nor the other. There were the usual trade transactions carried out by countries that are not at war with each other. If we bought something in the USA, Poland or Great Britain, or sold something there, this does not mean that we have friendship and cooperation. Because cooperation is not about buy and sell, but about something more. Stalin did not doubt for a minute that Hitler would sooner or later strike the USSR, what kind of friendship are we talking about here?
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tezey

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10 May 2020 15: 06

Leonid Gozman, as usual, speaks for his liberal crowd and, as usual, theses without evidence. Somehow he doesn’t remember at all about the cooperation of Sweden and Switzerland with Germany during the war. Is there a justification for this, according to Gozman? Probably, in his opinion, this is quite normal. Cooperation between American corporations and Hitler’s Germany on a large scale before and during the World War was also normal. Maybe Gozman is not aware that by the start of World War II, the total contributions of American corporations to their German branches and representative offices amounted to about $800 million. Investments from Ford - 17,5 million, Standard Oil of New Jersey (now existing under the guise of Exxon) - 120 million, General Motors - 35 million, ITT - 30 million. And Ford supplied trucks to the Wehrmacht throughout the war. But Gozman is silent about these facts, inconvenient for the liberal crowd. They only have Stalin to blame for everything. The only thing left for them to say is that it cannot serve as an excuse that under the leadership of Stalin the Soviet people defeated Nazism.
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intuzazist

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10 May 2020 18: 19

If Comrade Stalin had listened to the advice of the Gozman, then the entire Gozman family would have easily fit into one piece of soap...
Dzafdet

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10 May 2020 18: 56

And yet they know everything and they have been everywhere. If it were not for the cooperation of Stalin and Hitler, we would not have received many machines and equipment that allowed us to increase the production of military products during the war years. But the Gozmans don’t know about this and didn’t teach history...
Metallurg_2

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10 May 2020 19: 02

It’s a pity that the Germans didn’t make lampshades out of this Gozman’s parents...
Pushkar

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10 May 2020 20: 01

Of course, no one likes showman Gozman. I find it disgusting too. BUT. Every second comment is “cross-eyed”. Would you like the straight-eyed one better? And there was a ton of comments from Goebbels’ spiritual children, enthusiastically quoting Nazi leaflets - from “veterans of the Tashkent front” to soap and lampshades made of human skin. This is on Victory Day. It's shameful and disgusting. There is nothing more to say.
waterlow

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10 May 2020 20: 08

A strange man. It seems that the face is not an idiot, again glasses. And he croaks when talking. And thoughts... Truly they say, woe comes from the mind.
Phoenix040

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11 May 2020 00: 24

What could serve as a justification for the pre-war cooperation with Hitler of England, Poland and the USA, and isn’t it time for the Gozmans to get out of Russia, which they hate?!!!
Sergei Khalezin

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11 May 2020 01: 27

When the media stops publishing the nonsense of such idiots, you feed them with this. No one would know this shit.
certero

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11 May 2020 03: 13

Sometimes it’s a pity that this so-called politician cannot be thrown somewhere into the occupied territory. So that he can feel the difference between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
After all, he understands perfectly well that only thanks to this victory people like him remained on this planet.
1. Sardanapalus
  
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  11 May 2020 03: 48
  
  I completely agree with you that it is impossible to throw some politicians and their chorus of “we can repeat it,” for example, into the first chain of an attacking penal battalion. It would be interesting to take a look.
Sardanapalus

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11 May 2020 03: 32

Thanks to this article, I went to Echo of Moscow and read a lot of interesting things there. Thanks to the Author for the link.
Sardanapalus

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11 May 2020 03: 36

"Sensation of the week. Finally, a mechanism for effectively counteracting the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus and the covid-19 disease has been determined. This is smoking. According to the latest statistics, which are published in a variety of sources, smokers become infected with the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus immeasurably less often and in less acute cases and severe forms than people who do not use tobacco, do not smoke tobacco." On Echo of Moscow. And I wonder why cigarettes went up in price without waiting for June 1st. Hykh.
Dreiko11

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11 May 2020 05: 35

This would-be politician screwed him up. It is easy to judge others for certain actions from the outside.
aglet

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11 May 2020 17: 53

Quote: Krasnodar
You would have said this to one of my grandfathers in real life, or better yet, to me somewhere in the early 0s.. You would have ridden in a good car once in your life... only in the trunk, but not scary

how scary, oh, I’m afraid, I’m afraid. Well, a very formidable Jew. as usual, they are very brave after, well, very much after that - somewhere in the early 0s... why not in 1901? and now it’s weak?. Yes, you have always been weak, and during the war too, damn it, warriors. don’t hide behind Kunikov and Dovator, there weren’t enough of them, there won’t be enough for all of you, the heroes of the Tashkent defense
aglet

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11 May 2020 18: 06

Quote: Pushkar
Plan Ost did not provide for a Russian holocaust, only partial extermination

well, yes, partial destruction is not scary, it is democratic and tolerant, especially of Russians. If a Jew was killed, it’s already a Holocaust. and it was the Jews who came up with the term Holocaust in order to give global significance to the partial extermination of the Jews. and then - the destruction of pede..., well, you understand who - the Holocaust is not, you offend the Jews like that, creating competitors for them in the holy victims of the holocaust they invented
aglet

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11 May 2020 18: 11

Quote: Pushkar
This is on Victory Day. It's shameful and disgusting. There is nothing more to say.

Will you be one of them too? Is he allowed to attack us on this day, but we must remain silent and wipe ourselves off? you won't wait.
“Vasisualiy Andreevich, how can you, in the second year of the five-year plan!”
aglet

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11 May 2020 18: 14

Quote: Pushkar
The Jews WERE exterminated throughout the territory occupied by the Third Reich

I somehow feel sorry for the Russians - 27 million people died, and I feel sorry for everyone
aglet

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11 May 2020 18: 20

Quote: Pushkar
However, if you like to be a victim, shout. I prefer to be Win

I just don’t shout, and the Russians don’t shout - read carefully what I wrote. Jews are shouting, and have been for a very long time. You cannot be a winner, although you like to try on someone else’s glory - you have not defeated anyone. the winners were our fathers and grandfathers, and all the people who then won
1. Pushkar
  
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  11 May 2020 20: 08
  
  You scream, you scream, you’re a victim, you feel sorry for yourself. And I’m not hiding behind my back, I’m an officer, ten government awards, twelve years on combat duty. My father is also an officer, a navigator-bomber of the Pe-8, in 1956 he was recognized as the best navigator-bomber of the Air Force. My mother was drafted at the end of 1942 and marched from Stalingrad to the Elbe as part of the 104th OBDES. My grandfather went through 4 wars - the Civil War, the Western Campaign, the Finnish War and the Great Patriotic War. He was seriously wounded in the Finnish War, served in the Great Patriotic War from 23.06.1941/11.05.1945/1941 to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, received two Red Stars. The second grandfather was seriously wounded in civilian life and by XNUMX was completely blind. And you, the last of Hitler and Goebbels, be whoever you like, but I am the son and grandson of the victors and it is not for you to sign for the entire Soviet people.
slasha

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12 May 2020 12: 29

An ossified humanoid! The air spoils everything. He has settled down well - he eats sweetly and sleeps softly at the expense of the state, which curses whatever the world is worth. I’ve never held anything heavier than a spoon in my hands, but here’s how I managed!
aglet

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13 May 2020 17: 46

Quote: Krasnodar
Tashkent front - it's vulgar

Tashkent front - this came from post-war stories of fighting Jews. when they talked about their exploits on all fronts, and then it turned out that at that time they were in evacuation, in Tashkent. And, just the drops of European Jews there were, mostly ours, of the domestic spill
aglet

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13 May 2020 18: 04

Quote: Pushkar
I'm an officer, ten government awards

These today’s government awards are a shame for an honest person to wear, in my opinion, if they were not won with blood. you obviously, not with blood, strictly for your service
Quote: Pushkar
And you, the last child of Hitler and Goebbels, be whoever you like, and I am the son and grandson of the victors

tie your broom, officer, the fact that your fathers and grandfathers fought and won does not give you any rights to victory, you, in the Soviet Union, slept sweetly throughout your service, waking up only for inspections and training, your grandmothers paid you, food, clothing, for rank, for position, for length of service, and I slowly sipped gasoline, and now you’re beating yourself in the chest - I’m like that, I was on duty, I have awards - why did you change your oath, didn’t defend your homeland - the USSR , and all the Soviet people who fed you, clothed you and rewarded you? and now there’s no need to puff out your cheeks, he’s a winner, damn it...
aglet

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13 May 2020 18: 10

Quote: aglet
there is evidence even in the bible if you know what it is

I see you haven't read the Bible. Well, of course, there’s too much bukaf
aglet

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13 May 2020 18: 25

Quote: Pushkar
Scream, scream, victim, feel sorry for yourself

no, what a wooden creature they tell him, I don’t scream, Russians don’t scream, Jews scream, but he screams and screams. It’s not for nothing that they said in our unit - you don’t need to be a dyra... well, you understand, it’s enough to be a major. a major, and also a political officer, and even a Jew - a lethal combination. Such people need to be dropped behind enemy lines in a war - to the destruction of the enemy - they will speak to death, all of them
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