US help. Pashinyan invited American economist to Armenia

13 May 2018 496

The new head of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan invited the American economist Daron Ajemoglu to the country, the scientist has already accepted the invitation, the newspaper reported Look.

According to Pashinyan, he “talked to the world-famous economist of Armenian origin by telephone.”

The Prime Minister also said that Ajemoglu expressed willingness to "help develop the economy" of the republic.

Daron Acemoglu was born in Turkey, “since 2004 has been working at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, since 2006 he is a member of the American Academy of Arts, winner of the John Bates Clark medal,” explains the publication.

It is noted that Ajemoglu is among the ten most cited economists in the world.

Meanwhile, the ex-prime minister of Armenia, rector of the Russian-Armenian University (RAU) Armen Darbinian expressed satisfaction with the new composition of the government of the republic.

I want to welcome the composition of the new government headed by Nikol Pashinyan. Except for single compromise appointments, all other ministers are educated and ideological people,

he wrote on Facebook.

Darbinyan called on all those "who have the knowledge and experience to help the new government."

Good luck, we are with you

assured the new ministers of the ex-premier of Armenia.

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14 May 2018 10: 29

Quote: garnik
38% of the treasury of the Krasnodar Territory consists of the contribution of Armenians.

Well, yes, Galitsky alone, whose maiden name is Harutyunyan, with his network of Magnets is worth something.
And something, for example, I have never heard such phrases, such as "A brigade of Armenian miners gave out on the mountain so many thousand tons of coal above the plan" or "A brigade of Armenian grain growers threshed so many tons of grain above the plan" or "A brigade of metallurgists- Armenians smelted so many tons of pig iron in excess of the plan. "
Armenians “work” mostly in the sphere of trade and the provision of household and hotel services. That is, they privatized our land, built kebab houses, cheburechka houses, guest houses, and so on on it. And if you consider that in this business only one ruble out of five is visible to the tax authorities, I believe that the real percentage of Armenians covering the trade and household turnover of the Krasnodar Territory is much higher than the shown 38%.
Now let's look at the demographic composition of the Region. It turns out that Armenians make up only 5,4% of the population. And these 5,4% have already concentrated in their hands 38% of the trade and household turnover of the Krasnodar Territory. And this is only official. Gentlemen, Armenians, what number are you going to stop at? On reaching 50%? On reaching 75%? Having reached 100%? And with these achievements are you going to win our boundless love and respect for you? Have you confused us with anyone? It is you who can win respect from Azerbaijanis, Uzbeks or Georgians. But Russian people, in general, never respected merchants. Just look at our Russian folk sayings and proverbs about merchants and traders.

Sirs, Armenians, what, history has not taught you anything?

There is (was, died not so long ago) a famous Armenian historian, professor at a number of American universities (lived in America) John Kirakosyan. He wrote a most interesting work; “The Young Turks before the Judgment of History” in which he ran over the Turks (Young Turks) like a tank, but at the same time gave a lot of interesting information. For example. “Constituting 20% of the 25-10 million population of the Turkish Empire, the Armenians concentrated in their hands 60% of import and 40% of export trade, as well as 80% of domestic trade.” He is talking about the situation before the First World War. That is, about 1912 -1913. John Kirakossian, having the same huckster mentality as the rest of the Armenians, does not even understand the effect these numbers have on people with a non-huckster mentality. For example, it becomes clear to me why the Turks accumulated so much hostility towards the Armenians before the First World War. Where does the love for the Armenians come from among the Turks, if 80% of all domestic trade (and this includes bazaar trade) is in the hands of Armenians in Turkey! But besides the Armenians, there were Greeks and Jews in Turkey who were no less inclined to trade.
1. genisis
  
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  14 May 2018 10: 44
  
  Well, yes, Galitsky alone, whose maiden name is Harutyunyan, with his network of Magnets is worth something.
  
  Galitsky alone made it so that the youth team (boys born 2000-2002) of FC Krasnodar became the champion of Russia for the first time in the history of the club. Galitsky alone has done more for the development of sports in the Krasnodar Territory than the entire government of the Russian Federation and the Krasnodar Territory in particular.
  As for the Magnit stores, they are now owned by the racially pure VTB Bank.
  Enjoy, seal
  1. The sounds are not music
    
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    14 May 2018 14: 52
    
    Well, it’s difficult for a fellow countryman to fight with VTB... look, Oleg Mkrtchan is now in prison because of this... And in Krasnodar, he did a lot for the Kuban people.
    1. Okolotochny
      
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      14 May 2018 21: 51
      
      Who did it, Mkrtchyan? Specifically, what and how much? If you don’t know, then don’t wag your tongue. Firstly, who is Mkrtchyan’s “accomplice”? Ara Jan, Mr. Taruta, the one who surrendered Donbass. Mkrtchyan, by the way, made his money there, on scammers in the Donbass. Yap. And then, together with Kerimov, he wanted to cheat VTB with the purchase of ISD. They grabbed him by the testicles. He sang like a nightingale and began to betray everyone. Therefore, shut your mouth for Mkrtchyan. There are no questions about Galitsky. But in interviews he positions himself as a cosmopolitan, it’s more convenient for him. You boast, boast. But you live in Russia, you don’t live in poverty, and your idols made billions for themselves in Russia. If they are so smart, then earn money like this in Armenia. You'll earn a hole there from a donut. And you know this, that’s why you strive there.
      1. genisis
        
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        14 May 2018 23: 53
        
        Who did it, who did it? Galitsky did. The victory of the youth team of FC Krasnodar is entirely his merit. One of the best FC Krasnodar stadiums in the world is his merit. Therefore, seal, pouring dirt on Galitsky, is really wrong.
        
        Okolotochny
        
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        15 May 2018 17: 48
        
        Listen, blind man, read carefully (if you can) my comment. What did I write specifically for Galitsky? For those unencumbered by education, I quote:
        There are no questions about Galitsky.
        
        Should I translate it or guess it myself?
        Or is it your nature to turn everything over?
        But this
        Who did it, who did it?
        I wrote for Oleg Mkrtchan. Can you argue with me? Is there enough intelligence and knowledge?
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14 May 2018 10: 34

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
No, you didn’t guess. Let’s reveal the events of 1905

Would you like to reveal the events a little earlier?
From the memoirs of Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, grandson of Nicholas the First.

"On December 6, 1902, I was promoted to Rear Admiral and, in my new position, took a seat on the Council of Ministers as the youngest member of the government in the history of the Empire. Articles inspired by Witte began to appear in the newspapers, with sharp criticism of my The rest of the members of the Council of Ministers, with the exception of the military and naval ministers, rallied around their omnipotent colleague and shared his hatred for the Grand Duke who had got into their midst.
I managed to get our government hard to lift so that a new shipping line would be organized connecting our southern ports to the Persian Gulf and a significant subsidy from the government would be provided to four Russian shipping societies, which began to compete successfully with the Germans and the British.
This first victory of mine gave me courage ...

And here he proceeds to describe his struggle against the sale of oil-bearing lands into private hands, in which he was defeated.
"Most of the ministers were against me. Oil-bearing lands were sold for a pittance to enterprising Armenians. Anyone who knows the pre-war value of the enterprises of the" Armenian trust "in Baku will understand what enormous sums were lost for the Russian state treasury irrevocably

Can you tell us the details of this scam, which even the Grand Duke failed to reverse?
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14 May 2018 10: 48

Quote: Hayasa Ararat
Generals of the Russian Tsarist Army of Armenian origin.

Did the generals of the Russian army serve Russia as Armenians? No ! They were subjects of our emperors, received from them lands (with peasants), ranks, titles, awards, salaries and, at the end of their lives, pensions.
And it is completely incomprehensible why today’s Armenians take credit for the fact that they were once subjects of our emperors and empresses of Armenian origin, who served in our army and (once again) received lands from our emperors and empresses (with peasants), ranks, titles, awards, salaries - when war was declared by Russia or Russia went to fight??? Yes, this is no merit!!! This is the sacred DUTY of every officer and general of the Russian (and any other) army!!!! And no one, except the Armenians, elevates this RESPONSIBILITY to a MERIT??? Even Georgians understand that this is a duty, not a merit!!!

Many, by the way, had the “Armenian” disease. Alas, even among the most deserved. Take Admiral Lazarev, whom I respect in general.
In the period 1828-1829, Lazarev led the fleet left to blockade the Dardanelles Strait.
But on October 8 (old style), 1831, in the cruise chamber of the 84-gun battleship Ferchampenoise, which was stationed on the Small Kronstadt roadstead, a fire had just broken out from the Mediterranean Sea and the ship was burned to the bottom. 48 crew members and a lieutenant of the naval artillery corps not from the crew, who was trying to save the drowning people, were killed.

It is difficult to describe the anger of Emperor Nicholas I, who was informed of the death of one of the best ships at his home berth. When the sovereign learned that the Ferchampenoise was also carrying on board a certain load of papers delicate nature, his indignation grew into firm confidence: the ship was deliberately burned to destroy those papers! Only in 1855, the historiographer of the Russian fleet, Alexander Petrovich Sokolov, in his “Chronicle of wrecks and fires of ships of the Russian fleet from its beginning to 1854” lifted the curtain on what was considered a terrible state secret: “Among other ship and crew matters, the economic archive burned down. part of the squadron’s voyage in Greek waters, who was on a ship for delivery to Russia.” This was the first censorship-allowed mention of what exactly was on board the burned Ferchampenoise. Which allows us to take a different look at the reasons that forced the emperor to turn his famous “Basilisk gaze” to the case of the death of Ferchampenoise. When Rear Admiral Mikhail Lazarev reported to the emperor the commission’s findings that the fire was caused by spontaneous combustion, Nikolai responded by saying: “And I’m telling you that the ship was burned!” They burned all the financial documents for the entire voyage of the squadron that blocked the Dardanelles Strait, the costs of maintaining which (under the command of Lazarev) were several times higher than planned, so to speak. And any audit could easily reveal this corruption. But the pike was thrown into the water. They appointed Lazarev to investigate the causes of the fire... it was Lazarev who was appointed.
1. The sounds are not music
  
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  14 May 2018 14: 54
  
  This means that the trust in Lazareau deservedly went off scale!!!
  1. genisis
    
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    14 May 2018 18: 59
    
    seal, once again trying to denigrate the Armenians, makes the rulers of the Russian Empire look very narrow-minded. And these Armenians, who constantly deceive the Russian sovereigns. Now Peter I, now Paul, now Alexander, now the great princes. It's getting funny.
    All that remains is to answer with imperishability
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1. Borders
  
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  14 May 2018 11: 47
  
  "...if there was a war between Russia and Armenia...? what kind of war? Reasons? reasons? For example, your mother will fight with your father... whose side will you be on? Or your older brother will go to war with your younger sister ?Who will you be with?
  1. Okolotochny
    
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    14 May 2018 21: 53
    
    Does the example of Ukraine teach you nothing? They shoot and curse.
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14 May 2018 11: 09

Quote: genisis
more than the entire government of the Russian Federation and the Krasnodar Territory in particular.

You don't do anything for nothing. The Magnit network received land plots throughout Russia at such “competitive prices” that the Accounts Chamber still has 10 more to sort out. Plus almost immunity from the actions of a number of supervisory authorities.

Armenians follow the path trodden by their ancestors.
Armenians need to adhere to the version that the Armenians were “persecuted.” And in fact ? And further. Peter the Great, like a late child who did not actually know his father, greatly respected his memory. And of course Peter the Great knew that the Armenians GAVE his dad a diamond throne. And Peter the Great’s respect for his father was partially transferred to the Armenians. But poor Peter the Great did not know that it was not a gift, but a bribe at the highest level. The gift supported the request of the Armenian merchants to grant them duty-free trading rights. In 1660, the Armenian merchant from New Jugha Khoja Zakar Sagradov (Sharimanyan) presented the Russian Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich with a diamond throne. (The Armenian’s name is interesting, with the prefix “Khoja”). Already in 1667, the Armenian trading company Nor-Juga received the privilege of free trade on waterways from Astrakhan to Arkhangelsk and the right of transit through Russia to Western Europe. And the Armenians recouped all their bribe costs in a couple of years. And for many years they used what they received for the bribe duty free trade rights. As the Armenians themselves proudly write, “Russian-Persian trade was still in the hands of a group of Armenian merchants who had their own office in Russia. They brought Persian goods to Russia, and also re-exported them to Holland..” - “Astrakhan became the center of trade operations of the Armenian Julfa Company. The most important item of Russian import from Iran (where the company’s management was located) was silk, and trade in it belonged entirely to the Armenians. Share them in the import of raw silk to Russia in the mid-18th century. ranged from two thirds to 100%", - “80% of trade through the port of St. Petersburg in the mid-18th century was carried out by Armenian merchants.” It should be noted that almost all of Russia’s export trade went through St. Petersburg. Arkhangelsk, when St. Petersburg was built, no longer played a significant role in trade. The Armenians enriched themselves well. And this could not but cause irritation. Historian S.M. Solovyov reports that “The Synod in January 1742 requested a decree from the Empress - to abolish the Armenian church in St. Petersburg, Moscow and Astrakhan, except for one stone one in the latter city, and not allow them to be built in the future. On April 7, the Synod’s request was carried out.” By the way, pay attention to the interesting name of the Armenian merchant who “gave” the throne, so to speak. What religion is this Armenian?
1. genisis
  
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  14 May 2018 11: 17
  
  By the way, in all your spreading cranberries about Armenian merchants, there was still no refutation of the fact that Galitsky did more for sports in Russia and the Krasnodar region than the entire Government of the Russian Federation.
  The question is, what prevented merchants of non-Armenian nationality from donating the throne to the father of Peter I and receiving privileges?
  I am sure that they were stopped by the innate natural modesty characteristic of all merchants of non-Armenian origin
2. The sounds are not music
  
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  14 May 2018 15: 00
  
  Was the Tsar really a bribe taker???!!!
  By the way, in the agreements of the French kings with the Turkish sultans, a special clause stipulated preferences for Armenian merchants who were carrying silk... and so - they could easily place our Catholicos in the Bastille (with a mask) to please the Sultan.
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14 May 2018 11: 11

Quote: garnik
For the support of Russia, against the enemies of mankind.

Announce who you think these “enemies of humanity” are???
1. garnik
  
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  14 May 2018 17: 15
  
  The people to which you belong.
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14 May 2018 11: 13

Damn... we have already surpassed the Jews... a small article about Armenia and more than 300 comments in a day.
1. Borders
  
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  14 May 2018 11: 48
  
  I’m telling you, there are THREE “comment-producing” topics on this site:
  1. Jews
  2.Armenians
  3.Trump sanctions
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14 May 2018 11: 25

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
The main thing is not to go beyond the basic principles of communication and not to get personal.

One of the basic principles of communication are the principles:
- do not insult;
- confirm what was said (written).
Not long ago you compared the Russian Federation with Hitler’s Europe. At the same time you declared the “great antiquity of Armenia.”

For the first one (for the comparison) I would have to apologize.
But the second “great antiquity” must be documented.

You have been asked to do this. And what ????
1. Tank hard
  
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  14 May 2018 11: 46
  
  Sergey Petrovich. The great ones have no time. They are busy doing great things.
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1. The sounds are not music
  
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  14 May 2018 15: 07
  
  Vazgen Sargsyan’s brother said the other day that Serzhik promised to tell him the name of the organizer of 27.10.99. after leaving politics.
  They organized it precisely for the ruin of Armenia... You know the name of this bastard from...?!!
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14 May 2018 11: 41

I can also confirm that a huge number of swindlers, swindlers, thieves and even murderers, having committed their illegal and even bloody acts, go to church and make contributions. A large number of churches have been built and/or restored using contributions from such donors.

Western merchants even then had much more fair competition. It was the Armenian merchants who could not stand fair competition. And Western merchants valued their name.
1. genisis
  
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  14 May 2018 11: 48
  
  Come on, seal, don’t you know how swindlers and swindlers operate? )))
  But you have nothing to do with Western merchants.
  1. Seal
    
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    14 May 2018 11: 59
    
    Some Armenians write this.
    Vladimir Ter-Odiyants (Vladimir Ter-Odiyants) Yesterday, 16:14 ↑
    You are replacing concepts. You are confusing cause and effect...! My discussion with you does not concern nationalities. Mine, like your compatriots, can discuss, ostracize, etc., whatever they please. The main thing is not go beyond the basic principles of communication and don't get personal.
    
    Other Armenians - this is it.
    genisis Today, 11:48 ↑
    Completeness, seal, do you want don’t know how swindlers and swindlers operate? )))
    But to the Western merchants You do not have no relation.
    
    Everything is as usual. They instill in others how to behave correctly, what they can do, and what they shouldn’t do. But for themselves they have principles... like that rabbi, when it’s Saturday for everyone around, and Friday is under his feet.
    Duplicity is in their blood!!!
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      14 May 2018 12: 17
      
      seal, truly, logic is not your strong point. Your horse is Little Humpbacked
2. The sounds are not music
  
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  14 May 2018 15: 10
  
  Well, history speaks in detail about how the Tsar forced Dutch merchants not to steal from the Russians.
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14 May 2018 11: 49

Quote: Pograntsov
(Operation “Ring” in 1991 alone is worth it)...

Judging by the date you set, 1991 was the time of the USSR.
What does “we”, that is, our army, have to do with it then?
During the times of the USSR, let me remind you (or explain if you missed those times) the army was all-Union, and not Russian, Estonian, Armenian or Uzbek. And our Army was called the Soviet Army. And the Armed Forces were called the Armed Forces of the Soviet Union.
Therefore, in 1991, the Soviet Army was equally Armenian and Azerbaijani.
And so it was until the collapse of the USSR.
It is very strange to hear when Armenians and sub-Armenians accuse their Army of not acting the way they (you) wanted in 1991.
1. The sounds are not music
  
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  14 May 2018 15: 18
  
  The papers remained from Operation Ring, at the cost of Tatul Krpeyan’s life...
  The Baku greens ordered dances from Soviet chasers...
  And it is no coincidence that later Rokhlin went to Baku to get Baku money to organize a coup against your government...
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14 May 2018 11: 54

Quote: Pograntsov
Causes ? grounds?

Who else in 2013 could explain the reasons and grounds for the fact that already next year the Ukrainian armed forces would shell their own cities from multiple launch rocket artillery systems, resulting in the death of hundreds and thousands of people, including children?

Your helpless attempts to shift the conversation from interstate to intrafamily relationships are frankly ridiculous.
It seems that you care about the interests of Armenia much more than the interests of Russia, right?
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  14 May 2018 15: 19
  
  Links of one chain...
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14 May 2018 12: 30

Quote: newbie
withdrawal of the base_ death of Armenia

Can you substantiate your thesis?
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14 May 2018 12: 36

Quote: genisis
By the way, in all your spreading cranberries about Armenian merchants

The term "spreading cranberry" has been used as a synonym for "misinformation" since the days of Sam Clemens.
What exactly are your complaints? Maybe in your opinion:
- Armenian merchants did not give this “gift” at the highest level?
- Armenian merchants did not receive any benefits in return?

And if they did and received it, then what claims could there be?
Oh yes, you just don’t like being poked at facts that are unpleasant to you. And that’s why you, without hesitation, declare these facts to be “spreading cranberries”?
Well, those who have no arguments do just that.
1. genisis
  
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  14 May 2018 15: 09
  
  I have no and cannot have any complaints against you at all, because I have long been convinced that the truth is simply alien to you, as a phenomenon.
  Spreading cranberries in the sense that all this garbage about Armenian merchants, reproduced by you, has nothing to do with the fact that Galitsky made a huge contribution to the development of sports in the Krasnodar region.
  You might as well talk about the American flight to the moon
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14 May 2018 12: 44

Quote: ANCIENT
Have you forgotten about Marshal Bagramyan

Have you forgotten that Bagramyan became a marshal only under Khrushchev? When Khrushchov, in contrast to the Stalinist marshals, who, let’s say, did not respect him, Khrushchov, let’s say, created his own marshals. Including making Bagramyan marshal.
Specifically about Bagramyan.
In 1941, he was the head of the operational department of the Headquarters of the Southwestern Front near Kirponos. But considering that the chief of staff was our former military attache in Berlin (yes, the same Tupikov who warned) General V.I. Tupikov, who was appointed on July 29, 1941, and before that, since 1940, was our military attache in Berlin. Yes, before his appointment to Berlin, the smartest military specialist V.I. Tupikov was the chief of staff of the Kharkov Military District. But Kharkov VO is a territory east of Kyiv VO. That is, the territory of the Kyiv Military District at the time of his appointment V.I. I didn’t know about Tupikov, and I simply didn’t have time to study it. But what about Bagramyan? But for Bagramyan, the Kiev Military District is almost native. After all, back in June 1934, he was appointed chief of staff of the 5th Cavalry Division (Kiev Military District).
Baghramyan was lucky in the early 30s. He was lucky to get to the cavalry advanced training courses for the commanding staff, where his classmates were G.K. Zhukov, K.K. Rokossovsky and others.
Upon their completion, in October 1936 he was appointed to the post of chief of the operational department of the army headquarters. During the mass purges of the Red Army, he, who served in the "bourgeois Armenian army", was collected incriminating material, but the future commander was saved thanks to the intercession of A. I. Mikoyan.
Then again the Academy, after which Baghramyan again returned to the Kiev Military District.
In September 1940, he finally received an assignment to the army for the post of chief of the operational department of the headquarters of the 12th Army of the Kiev Special Military District (KOVO). Already in November 1940 he was transferred to the post of chief of operations department - deputy chief of staff of the Kiev Special Military District.
That is, no one knew better than Baghramyan the region of Kiev HE. And it was Baghramyan who was the chief of the operational department of the headquarters of the Kiev Military District from the beginning of the war until the death of the leadership of the South-Western Front.
It would seem that in a situation where the head of the Headquarters of the South-Western Front, the cleverest Vasily Ivanovich Tupikov, does not know much about the theater of operations, because he himself did not serve in those places at all, the main role was to be played by the chief of the operations department of the headquarters of the South-Western Front Baghramyan, for whom this theater of operations is his home. But .... but no role of Baghramyan in August September 1941 on the South-Western Front is not visible at all. Moreover, the head of the operations department of the Headquarters of the Southwestern Front at the most critical time for the front generally turned out to be far from the Headquarters of the front, behind the line of the front in Headquarters with the Commander-in-Chief of the South-West Troops Marshal of the Soviet Union S.K. Tymoshenko with a certain "special task."
In general, in 1941, Bagramyan did nothing to ensure that Kirponos’s Southwestern Front survived, and in 1942, already being the Chief of Staff of the new Southwestern Front, Timoshenko set up this front as well. And Mr. Bagramyan began to win only when we had already driven the enemy to the West. And then always having greater numbers than the Germans. Or under the leadership of some real combat commander, whose instructions he (Bagramyan) carried out. Bagramyan did not carry out a single significant independent operation that ended in a more or less significant defeat of the German troops. Maybe that’s why he, being a front commander, remained a general without receiving the rank of Marshal. And Bagramyan did not receive the Order of Victory, which real commanders received.
1. garnik
  
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  14 May 2018 14: 17
  
  During the difficult days of the Battle of Moscow, according to the plan developed by I. Kh. Bagramyan and with his active participation in command and control of the troops, a counter-offensive of Soviet troops was carried out in the Rostov-on-Don region. During this operation, the enemy was successfully driven out of the city.
  Before the start of the counteroffensive near Moscow, Bagramyan, appointed chief of staff of the mobile group of troops of the Southwestern Front in the Moscow direction, developed an effective plan for the defeat of the 2nd German Army, which had broken through to the Yelets area. As a result of the Yeletsk offensive operation in December 1941, the troops of the right wing of the Southwestern Front advanced 80-100 km, eliminating the Yeletsk ledge, and contributed to the success of other fronts participating in the counteroffensive near Moscow. etc.
  1. Okolotochny
    
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    14 May 2018 22: 00
    
    Yeah, it turns out the Armenians saved Moscow. Listen, you are really sick of nationalism. Just build it at home, in Armenia.
2. The sounds are not music
  
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  14 May 2018 15: 21
  
  There, even Zhukov could not convince Stalin about Kyiv...
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14 May 2018 12: 51

Quote: Hayasa Ararat
Ioan Voda the Fierce (Mold. Ioan Voda cel Cumplit, Ioan Voda Armeanul) (1521, Mushaty (Mushati) - June 14, 1574) - ruler of the Principality of Moldova Armenian origin

Even your Armenian Hayazg Foundation does not claim this.
Quite little is known about the origins and youth of Ioan Voda. In various sources he was called a Moldavian, a Pole, an Armenian. There is a versionthat he was the son of the ruler Stephen IV, born of an Armenian mother, for which he received the nickname “Armanul”. Before taking the Moldavian throne, he traveled a lot, was in Poland, Constantinople, the Russian kingdom, and Greece.

Encyclopedia of the Hayazg Foundation
http://ru.hayazg.info/%D0%98%D0%BE%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D
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1. Okolotochny
  
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  16 May 2018 08: 07
  
  Even if this happens, I would support them.
  
  Garnik, the German priest Martin Nemeir also spoke about the nationalists - first they came for the communists, the Jews... And when they came for me, it was not to anyone... - not literally from memory. This is what will happen. First there will be one enemy, then another, then it will be the Armenians’ turn, it will happen. Do you want that?
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14 May 2018 13: 03

Quote: StWahmister
Thought Grudinina

Do you really believe that if the collective farm, which by chance fell to Grudinin, had been located not near the Moscow Ring Road, but at least fifty kilometers from it, Grudinin would have had the same thing on that collective farm remote from the Moscow Ring Road? What in that hole (about 50 kilometers from the Moscow Ring Road) would someone want to build Auchans and Leroy Merlins? Conduct multi-storey construction? Yes, no one would have heard of him!!!
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14 May 2018 13: 06

Quote: EwgenyZ
adjacent territories, supporting such “popular” figures among the people as Sargsyan or Yanukovych.

So, is Armenia also “adjacent”, so to speak??
When was the last time you looked at a map?
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14 May 2018 13: 08

Quote: helmi8
But what will happen to our base in Gyumri if US advisers take the helm?

Let me remind you that from 1,5 to 2,5 million Armenians live in the United States. And there are no poor among them. The Armenian lobby in the US Congress is the second most influential after the Israeli one. After the collapse of the USSR, the Armenian lobby in the US Congress raised the question of the need to protect Armenia before the US Presidential Administration.
And here the US Presidential Administration began scratching turnips. It is impossible to ignore the request of the Armenian lobby - it is very influential and is needed to resolve many other issues important to the US Presidential Administration. On the other hand, it is necessary to ensure the protection of Armenia in such a way so as not to cause irritation of the old NATO member - Turkey, with which the United States then had love and full mutual understanding. And we still have not to offend a new friend - Yeltsin's Russia, where then the best friend of the USA - Andrei Kozyrev was in charge of foreign affairs.
It would seem that the simplest thing is to accept Armenia into NATO. But this will just outrage Turkey and Russia. Moreover, it contradicts the NATO Charter, since states that have territorial disputes with neighbors cannot be accepted into NATO. And Armenia is not something that has a territorial dispute - it generally occupied part of a neighboring country (Azerbaijan) and openly claims to part of the territory of a NATO member - Turkey.
You can place a US military base in Armenia. But this step will cause exactly the same reaction. And how to explain to US taxpayers why the US has a base in Armenia when there are bases in neighboring Turkey?
And then the United States made a deft Jesuit move. They recommended the Armenians ask for a base .... in Russia. And the Armenians, who had recently spit in our direction to such an extent that they banned the holding of a referendum on the preservation of the USSR on the territory of Armenia, quickly changed their shoes and began to sing songs about the great friendship of the Armenian people to the great Russian people. AND
Kozyrev presented this matter to EBN in such a way that we supposedly could launch a hedgehog in the US pants and that the USA supposedly could not do anything to us. Of course, this proposal led EBN to delight. As a result, Kozyrev received another order, and Armenia received our base.
And the USA joyfully rubbed their hands. Since this decision alone immediately killed a lot of rabbits.
- Ensured the security of Armenia without quarreling with Turkey;
- Saved money;
- They laid a mine under Russian-Turkish and Russian-Azerbaijani relations for decades to come.
Now this unfortunate base, which is absolutely unnecessary for us to protect Russia proper, has a huge knotty log lying in the way of establishing relations between Russia and Turkey. Armenia’s membership in the CSTO, by the way, is also.
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  Kozyrev doesn’t need to cover up his reluctance with this waste... We were surprised then that Burbulis immediately came here and said importantly on the topic of the Turkish threat: “That’s out of the question!”
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When they sold weapons to the enemy of their ally, everyone cynically declared that it was nothing personal, it was just business

The USSR has already screwed up with these “allies”. When every monkey that came down from the tree yesterday put a badge with Lenin on its loincloth, learned to pronounce the expression “I am malxizma-lenizma” and flew to Moscow to receive the status of our new “ally” and, of course, money in foreign currency.
Enough for us to register all these African and Asian banana republics as allies!!!
And look, they were taken into the CSTO out of a sense of compassion - and they have already sat on our necks, teaching us who we can sell our weapons to and who we can’t.
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how many Russians were personally killed by this Nzhde?

Hitler also did not personally kill any of our people. So what ?
Clinton (who is with Monica) also did not personally kill a single Serb.

Well, or in relation to traitors. Take the Englishman William Brooke Joyce. He didn't kill anyone either. Neither Englishman, nor American, nor Russian. But nevertheless, in 1945 he was hanged. But William Brooke Joyce was just a simple ordinary radio presenter. Unlike Ndzhe, who was still the deputy editor of the newspaper of the National Council “Azat Hayastan”.
The mere fact that Ndzhe repeatedly gave propaganda speeches to Armenian prisoners of war, calling them to armed struggle against the USSR, declaring: “Whoever dies for Germany dies for Armenia” - he deserves a rope.
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  The mere fact that Ndzhe repeatedly gave propaganda speeches to Armenian prisoners of war, calling them to armed struggle against the USSR, declaring: “Whoever dies for Germany dies for Armenia” - he deserves a rope.
  
  Another lie, or cranberry, as you please.
  Nzhdeh did not say these words.
  But you, seal, you never lie. Provide evidence of this lie of yours about Nzhdeh.
  Something from the archives, as you always ask others to do, newspaper clippings, a link to Nzhdeh’s radio broadcast, reliably confirmed memories of eyewitnesses.
  After all, you probably have evidence. You are not an ordinary liar, of which there are many, are you?
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    But you, seal, you never lie. Provide evidence of this lie of yours about Nzhdeh.
    
    Well, what do you expect from this comrade, what evidence? He is an ardent Armenophobe, it’s personal to him (he said it himself) and it’s permeated into all the cells of his brain.
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      But you, seal, you never lie. Provide evidence of this lie of yours about Nzhdeh.
      
      Well, what do you expect from this comrade, what evidence? He is an ardent Armenophobe, it’s personal to him (he said it himself) and it’s permeated into all the cells of his brain.
      
      Have you ever thought that this could happen in connection with his work? Remember that cartoon where there are the following words: “Oh, I understand - that’s the job.”
      Until 24, we will listen to his “arguments”...
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  You personally are no match for the MGB, but they knew what to do with him!!!
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The fact that Tariverdiev is buried in the courtyard of the Armenian Church speaks about his

If Tariverdiev’s will indicated that he should be buried in the courtyard of the Armenian Church, that’s one thing. Then it says. And if after Tariverdiev’s death, his body was disposed of by anyone as they wanted, then..... then this doesn’t say anything.
The same thing, as in other cases, with Air Marshal Khudyakov, with General Count Madatov and many others. During their lifetime, none of them called themselves Armenians or considered themselves. But after death, the Armenians, so to speak, “privatized” their memory only on the grounds that they were of Armenian origin.
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He won’t show America will help them)) One is now best friends.

Armenians have been best friends with the United States since pre-revolutionary times.
No wonder Comrade J.V. Stalin, after the victorious end of the Great Patriotic War, first succumbed to the persuasion of the Armenians about the need to open the borders of the USSR for Armenians from all over the world who wanted to move to Armenia, gave the go-ahead for such a resettlement, quickly sorted it out and closed this shop, pointing out that that a huge number of American agents are among those moving.
From the report on lobbying in the USA for 2014.
http://www.globalaffairs.ru/global-processes/Lobb
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Overall, more than $2014 billion was spent on lobbying activities in America in 5. Thus, Congress accepted $2,1 billion from lobbyists, and the US Chamber of Commerce $170 million. The top five firms that spent the most money on foreign policy lobbying include: Squire Patton Boggs ($17), Akin, Gump et al ($755), Podesta Group ($000), Brownstein , Hyatt et al ($17), and Holland & Knight ($150). The US-Israel Public Affairs Group maintained its leadership position. The Israel lobby obtained from Congress not only an increase in foreign appropriations against the backdrop of general budget cuts, but also the allocation of $000 million to improve the Iron Dome anti-missile installations. The second place is still held by the Armenian National Committee of America, which, compared to last year, has noticeably strengthened. So, in the group on Armenian affairs of the Congress today ( in 2014 - my footnote) consists of 113 legislators against 92 in 2013.
The members of the Armenian caucus were the chairmen of the following committees:
- on international affairs (House of Representatives and Senate),
- on external appropriations (House of Representatives and Senate)
- The leader of the Democratic majority of the Senate.
The Armenian lobby managed to maintain the allocation by the US government of free financial assistance to Armenia and the NKR, to lobby for the adoption by the state of California of a resolution recognizing the independence of the NKR.

P.S. The Foreign Affairs and Foreign Appropriations Committees in the United States have been in the hands of the Armenian lobby since 2014. This means that all the dirty tricks, including sanctions, that the Americans have done to us since the beginning of 2014 were done, among other things, by the hands of Armenian lobbyists - the chairmen of these two IMPORTANT committees of the US CONGRESS.
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  A simple distortion of facts... Stalin wanted to populate part of Turkish Armenia with repatriates. But he got a kick from the Anglo-Saxons, with an ultimatum. Then Barnaul sent them to raise them.
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In some thread, among the comments, yours caught my eye, where it was said how much money Armenians and Georgians received from the budget for their work...
Why didn’t they say that this was not used for salary, but also for Science...
Stalin decided to create the Academy of Sciences of the Armenian SSR here, since there was potential and hard work...
A year later, Viktor Ambartsumyan found formulas for detecting enemy submarines...
His successor, Gyurzadyan, proposed a method for targeting missiles, and his device was displayed in the office of the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces.
That is, there was a return, even after 20 years... This is science...
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  They fought and fought.
  Novgorod IV Chronicle. PSRL. T. 4, part 1. P. 311
  On the same autumn, the princes of Mordai, having come to the Horde, have their like-minded people, and with all the other princes of the Horde, and with all the power of Totarskaya and Polovetskaya, and, moreover, they ratified Bessermen, and Armenians, and Mud, Cherkasy, and Yasy, and Burtasy.
  
  Who are the Armenians on this list? Persians or Ethiopians? Or the Chinese?
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    I remember our friendship with Batuhan...
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“Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh are of key importance for Russia. This is a stone barrier for Pan-Turkism, which almost does not hide its claims to spread its influence throughout Transcaucasia

Rave. Almost half of our country is Turkic to one degree or another. Even the Yakuts are also Turks. Therefore, everyone who scares us with some kind of notorious “pan-Turkism” is simply (consciously or unconsciously) grist for the mill of the United States, for which the biggest horror is the union of Russia and Turkey, to which Iran will join.
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The legendary Armenian 89th Taman triple-decorated rifle division was the only one of all national formations that took part in the assault on Berlin. The 89th Division was formed in December 1941 in Yerevan. The division went to the front in September 1942 and from the foothills of the Caucasus fought its way to Berlin.

Not the only one. Another 416 SD division of their “beloved” neighbors took part in the assault on Berlin. Moreover, the 416th SD fought in Berlin much more seriously than the 89th SD.
The 112th Guards Bashkir Order of Lenin Cavalry Division also fought in the suburbs of Berlin.
Fighting in Berlin began on April 26, 1945.
The 89th SD was part of the 38th SK.
What was the 38th SK doing???
On April 24, 1945, 38-SK was withdrawn from combat.
On April 25, 1945, 38-SK was completely omitted from the report of the 1st Belorussian Front.
April 26, 1945 38th SK in the front reserve.
April 27, 1945 38th SK in the front reserve.
On April 28, 1945, the 38th SK was in the front reserve; from 24:00 on April 28, 1945, it was transferred to the operational subordination of the 3rd Shock Army.
On April 29, 1945, the 38th SK made a transition to the Pankov area during the night and by the end of the day was engaged in a fire battle. That is, he didn’t go on attacks.
On April 30, the 38th SK fought a little.
On May 1, 1945, the 38th SC did not advance anywhere during the day and by the end of the day it was fighting at the same line.
On May 2, 1945, the 38th SK, part of the forces of the 52nd Guards SD, fought with small groups of enemy infantry. The remaining units of the 38th Infantry Division apparently did not fight.
That’s actually all the “participation” of the 38th IC and the 89th SD, which was part of it, in the storming of Berlin.
It goes without saying that the 89th SD did not storm or capture any fortress in the Humboldt-Hain Park.

But in the award lists of the fighters and especially the commanders of this division, everything is in full bloom. According to the award lists, Berlin was taken exclusively by Armenians.
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  Yes, seal, you love to have your head dipped in your own excrement, like a kitten that has been harmed.
  Well, for the hundred thousandth time, with pleasure.
  It goes without saying that the 89th SD did not storm or capture any fortress in the Humboldt-Hain Park.
  
  1) On April 29, 1945, units of 52 GVSD are subordinated to 38 SK.
  2) By the evening of April 29, 1945, units of 52 GVSD were losing their positions in the area of Humbolt-Hein Park 390, 400 and 526 Sp 89 SD.
  3) From April 29 to May 02, 1945, 151,153 and 155 GvSP 52 GVSD are fighting with the Nazis at a distance from the park Humbolt-Hein. The closest to the Humbolt-Hein Park 153 Guards are fighting with the Nazis two blocks east, while being in complete encirclement. Elbow communication with the company 155 GVSP established only on May 02, 1945
  Thus, none of the 52 regiments of the GVSD takes any action against the anti-aircraft tower in the Humbolt Hein Park from 29/04/1945 to 02/05/1945, when the garrison of the tower capitulates.
  At the same time, 390 joint ventures and 400 joint ventures 89 SD, supported by 1455 SAP, are conducting actions to surround the anti-aircraft tower in the Humbolt-Hein Park and block its garrison.
  After the garrison of the tower was blocked by 89 SD fighters, the translator of the 52nd Guards SDS Zinaida Stepanova arrives on an all-terrain vehicle. Leaves the radio operator Kalmykov hostage, takes the senior officers of the tower’s garrison and takes them to the headquarters of the 52nd GVSD, where they sign their surrender.
  Thus, the actions of 89 SD to encircle and block the anti-aircraft tower in the Humbolt-Hein Park, give Stepanova the opportunity to negotiate with the Nazis.
  I repeat for you once again, 151, 153 and 155 Guards of 52 Guards at this very time are fighting with the Nazis at a considerable distance from the Humbolt-Hein Park and can not have any effect on the soldiers of the fortress garrison. The size of the fortress and the number of fascists seated in it clearly do not allow Stepanova to even negotiate with the fascists together with Kalmykov and Popov.
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There was a law in force in Persia at that time: a Christian who converted to Islam could claim the inheritance of his relatives, so ours, in order to protect themselves from bad fellow tribesmen, fictitiously converted to Islam...

Since the term “Khoja” is often found in the names of Armenian merchants: “Khoja Khachik”, “Khoja Hovhannes”, did they also go to Mecca... fictitiously?
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Before the start of the counteroffensive near Moscow, Bagramyan, appointed chief of staff of the mobile group of troops of the Southwestern Front in the Moscow direction, developed an effective plan

The plan was developed by the commander of the Cavalry Mechanized Group (also known as the Front Operational Group of Lieutenant General Kostenko), our wonderful commander, Lieutenant General F. Ya. Kostenko. Bagramyan just formalized Kostenko’s plan on paper.
Reading the memoirs of Semyon Pavlovich Ivanov
"Army headquarters, frontline headquarters"
Biographical information: Semyon Pavlovich IVANOV, born on September 13.9.1907, 1929 in the village of Porecheno, now Smolensk district, Smolensk region, into a peasant family. Russian. Member of the CPSU since 1926. In the Soviet Army since 1929. Graduated from the Moscow Infantry School in 1939, the Military Academy named after M. V. Frunze in 1939. Participant in the Soviet-Finnish War of 1940-1941, chief of staff of the rifle corps. Participant of the Great Patriotic War from June 1942. He was the chief of staff of a number of armies, from December 1 - the South-Western, then Voronezh, 3st Ukrainian, Transcaucasian, 1945rd Ukrainian fronts. Participant in the Soviet-Japanese War of 8.9.1945, Chief of Staff of the Main Command of Soviet Forces in the Far East. For skillful leadership of troops, personal courage and courage shown in battles, on September 1968, 73, Colonel General Ivanov was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. After the war, he held senior command and staff positions in the troops and central apparatus of the USSR Ministry of Defense, and commanded the troops of the Siberian Military District. In 1973-7, Army General Ivanov was the head of the Military Academy of the General Staff. Since 3 - in the Group of Inspectors General of the USSR Ministry of Defense. Deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of the 6th convocation. Awarded 1 orders of Lenin, the October Revolution, 1 orders of the Red Banner, orders of Suvorov 1st degree, Kutuzov 3st degree, Patriotic War 1987st degree, Red Banner of Labor, Red Star, "For service to the Motherland in the USSR Armed Forces" 1- th degree, foreign orders. (Heroes of the Soviet Union. Brief biographical dictionary. Moscow. Military Publishing House. 574. Volume XNUMX, p. XNUMX).
In the work of Ivanov S.P. in the part describing the Yelets operation, General Kostenko, commander of a mobile group, mentioned 29 times.
His Chief of Staff, General Bagramyan - 1 time. And then when he asks for help.
“Gorodnyansky and Petrushevsky began concretizing the plan for defeating the encircled, and at this time I. Kh. Bagramyan called and reported that the 3rd and 32nd cavalry divisions were in a difficult situation: under an unexpected blow from the Nazis, they retreated to the line Verkhnyaya Lyubovsha, Gorki , where they selflessly repulsed enemy attacks, feeling an acute shortage of ammunition.
“I spoke with the commander-in-chief, he promised to help with aviation, but General Falaleev {95} refers to bad weather,” said Ivan Khristoforovich. “Please think about how to help the cavalrymen out of trouble, otherwise the enemy may leave...”
But Bagramyan received his share of the glory of General Kostenko. And he was awarded and promoted. And the main thing is that General Kostenko, when he was appointed commander of the Southwestern Front - chief of staff of the front, took Bagramyan to himself. Eh, I wish I knew who to take
And in April 1942, Marshal Timoshenko became commander of the Southwestern Front. Kostenko became his deputy. Bagramyan remained the chief of staff of the front. Timoshenko knew Bagramyan, since back in September 1941, after breaking out of encirclement, Bagramyan was appointed chief of staff of the Southwestern direction, and Marshal S.K. Timoshenko became commander.
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A simple distortion of facts.

Exactly. A simple distortion of facts. Your distortion.
J.V. Stalin abandoned the idea of taking a piece of territory from Turkey back in the summer of 1946. Since Churchill made his famous speech in which he spoke about the Iron Curtain on March 5, 1946.
Stalin understood perfectly well that after the surrender of Japan, neither the USA nor Great Britain were interested in the USSR.
Therefore, the USA and Great Britain gave their guarantees to Turkey when I.V. Stalin, succumbing to the persuasion of the Armenians, presented territorial claims to Turkey at the Potsdam Conference in 1945.
The USSR still had 3 years left before the atomic bomb appeared. In addition, in 1946 it was generally unknown when we would have our own atomic weapon.
And the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR “On the procedure for acquiring USSR citizenship by persons of Armenian nationality returning from abroad to their homeland in Soviet Armenia” was issued only on October 19, 1946. That is, when I.V. Stalin actually changed his mind about taking a piece of territory from Turkey.
The Soviet state assumed the costs of resettlement and promised to allocate land and housing to the repatriates in the Armenian SSR, and not in the hypothetical “Turkish Armenia”.
Further from the Armenian site
http://blognews.am/rus/news/122703/odin-epizod-iz
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The repatriates, a significant part of whom were urban residents, experienced difficulties with housing and work, and most importantly, there was not enough free land to accommodate the newly arriving Armenian population. Meanwhile, the historically formed complex ethnic picture of settlement on the territory of Armenia included areas inhabited predominantly by Azerbaijanis, and the authorities resorted to a tried-and-true method - cleansing on an ethnic basis. In accordance with the Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR of December 23, 1947 “On the resettlement of collective farmers and other Azerbaijani population from the Armenian SSR to the Kura-Araks lowland of the Azerbaijan SSR” and the Decree of March 10, 1948 “On measures for the resettlement of collective farmers and other Azerbaijani population from the Armenian SSR” SSR to the Kura-Araks lowland of the Azerbaijan SSR", in the period 1948–1950 it was planned to resettle 100 thousand Azerbaijanis from the territory of Armenia to the territory of Azerbaijan “on a voluntary basis”. Of these, 10 thousand people - in 1948, 40 thousand - in 1949, 50 thousand - in 1950.

The first of these resolutions contained the clause: “To allow the Council of Ministers of the Armenian SSR to use buildings and residential buildings vacated by the Azerbaijani population in connection with their resettlement to the Kura-Araks lowland of the Azerbaijan SSR for the resettlement of foreign Armenians arriving in the Armenian SSR.”

“Voluntarily” resettled Azerbaijanis, leaving their native places, destroyed their homes, cut down orchards cultivated by generations of their ancestors, not wanting to leave them to their new owners. The deportation also affected the townspeople, including Azerbaijanis – residents of Yerevan. This is how a mine was laid - one of many left on the territory of the former USSR as a legacy of Stalin’s national policy.
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Or maybe remember our people who threw themselves at the embrasures?

What, you can’t remember yourself?
Well, here you go.
Unan Mkrtichovich Avetisyan
Participant of the Great Patriotic War since 1942. On September 16, 1943, assistant platoon commander of the 390th regiment (89th Infantry Division, 18th Army, North Caucasus Front), Komsomol member, senior sergeant Avetisyan, in an offensive battle near Novorossiysk, covered the embrasure of an enemy bunker with his body, thereby giving the unit the opportunity complete a combat mission. The title of Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded on May 16, 1944 (posthumously). Awarded the Order of Lenin.
There are no questions for him. A true hero, I bow to his courage and dedication. Glory to the true Hero.
. Suren Sumbatovich Arakelyan
In the battle on September 23, 1943 in the Anapa region for a commanding height near the Kurbatskaya railway station, assistant platoon commander S.S. Arakelyan, at the head of a group of daredevils and under the cover of machine-gun fire, moved forward. Approaching the enemy bunker, Arakelyan threw several grenades. The enemy machine gun fell silent for a while, the soldiers moved forward and blocked the enemies, but unexpectedly the enemy opened fire and the senior sergeant died, covering the bunker embrasure with his body.
By a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR dated May 16, 1944, for the exemplary performance of combat missions of the command on the front of the fight against the Nazi invaders and the courage and heroism shown at the same time, senior sergeant Arakelyan Suren Sumbatovich was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union (posthumously).
No questions. Heroic man!!

And compare with these.
David Misakovich Yazydzhan (May 2 (15), 1915 - July 23, 1988[2]) - participant in the Great Patriotic War, tank commander of the 92nd engineering tank regiment of the 5th shock army of the 1st Belorussian Front, Hero of the Soviet Union. At the front during the Great Patriotic War from September 1942.
The commander of the tank of the 92nd tank regiment of the 5th shock army, junior lieutenant Yazijan, in battles for the city of Kustrin on March 7–8, 1945, detonated mines on the tank minesweeper, destroyed barricades in the streets, and firing points, promoting the advancement of rifle units.
By the decree of the USSR PVS of May 31, 1945, for the exemplary execution of the combat missions of the command at the front of the struggle against Nazi invaders and the courage and heroism shown to this, the youngest lieutenant Yazidzhan was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union with the Order of Lenin (No. 52206) and the Golden Star medal "(No. 7677).
Awarded after the end of the war, so to speak, in aggregate, for "exemplary performance."

Yavrumov Vladimir Akopovich, died on January 12, 1945. By decree of the USSR PVS of June 27, 1945, for the exemplary fulfillment of command assignments and the courage and heroism shown in battles with the Nazi invaders of the Guard, Senior Lieutenant Yavrumov was posthumously awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. The commander of a rifle platoon, junior lieutenant Yavrumov, received his baptism of fire in April 1942 on the Northwestern Front.
Awarded after the war again for "exemplary performance" and again after the end of the war. Yavrumov, of course, is a fighting man and worthy of awards... but there is actually no feat for which he is undoubtedly awarded a Hero of the USSR.

Mikhail Mikhailovich Shalzhiyan (July 25, 1925 - April 4, 2004) - squad commander of the 22nd Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade of the 6th Tank Corps of the 3rd Guards Tank Army of the 1st Ukrainian Front, guard sergeant.
On the night of April 23, 1945, on hastily prepared homemade rafts, his group crossed to the enemy shore under fire. While monitoring enemy fire, the scouts spotted the location and radioed the coordinates of two tanks dug into the ground, three batteries, and more than a dozen machine-gun points.
For courage and heroism, by decree of the USSR PVS of June 27, 1945, the guard sergeant Shalzhiyan was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union with the awarding of the Order of Lenin and the Gold Star medal.
Well, actually, what’s so super outstanding about the fact that “the scouts crossed to the enemy shore. While monitoring enemy fire, the scouts spotted the location and radioed the coordinates two tanks dug into the ground, three batteries, more than a dozen machine-gun points.” ??
Awarded after the end of the war.
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There is this type of story... The Emperor, wanting to award Madatov the rank of general, told him the day before: “Soon you will see a Big Surprise from me.” Madatov, wanting to get ahead of the Emperor with his surprise, converted to Orthodoxy your way. The Emperor was very angry at this: “I have a lot of Orthodox generals. And I want to see others next to them.” (+/- a couple of words)

It is unlikely.
Firstly, the assignment of the rank of general to Madatov happened quite quickly after the battle of Leipzig, during which, wounded in the arm, he did not dismount until the end of the battle. Then he was on the general list of those awarded and promoted after this famous battle, which went down in history as the “Battle of the Nations.” That is, Alexander I simply did not have time for any surprises.
Secondly, Armenians in Russia at that time were considered Orthodox.
It all started with the fact that a certain Armenian priest Joseph (Argutinsky), asking Paul I to take protection of the Armenians, introduced the king of Armenians as an Orthodox people. He promised our emperor Paul I that if our Tsar takes the Armenians under his protection, that during the service in Armenian churches they will glorify the name of the Emperor of All Russia and his family members in the same way as it is done in the Russian Orthodox Church. Pavel the First in 1798 issued a Decree stating that the Russian crown takes the Armenian people under its protection and recognized this priest Joseph Argutinsky as the most important Armenian hierarch. Like the Armenian patriarch.
I believe that it was then that the Armenian Church officially included the term “Orthodox” in its name, which exists in the full name of the Armenian Church to this day.

Well, and thirdly... even you yourself admit that this is all just a kind of story. Historical anecdote.
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  Seal, there can be no jokes on the topic of Madatov’s service.
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In Alikhanov’s memoirs we read what Stalin told him... the draft decree on awarding the rank of marshal... including to Bagramyan.

You want to say that during the meeting with Alikhanov I.V. Stalin discussed with Alikhanov a draft decree on conferring titles, including to Bagramyan? Aren't you funny yourself?
To begin with, it would be nice to understand, what kind of Alikhanov are you talking about?
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  At the end of our surname we separate Alikhanov and Alikhanyan.
  About Stalin’s congratulations at the banquet, that the Armenians will also have a marshal - read in Alikhanov’s memoirs.
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and so - they could easily place our Catholicos in the Bastille (with a mask) to please the Sultan.

Who could place the Catholicos in the Bastille? French people ? Did he (the Catholicos) live in Paris? Or somewhere else in France?
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  Lived in Turkey. The French arrested and placed in the Bastille, kept them in a mask... Don’t forget about the Turkish-French friendship...
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    Are you accidentally confusing your Catholicos with your own Armenian Patriarch of Constantinople?
    And what do the Turks have to do with it? This is a purely inter-confessional Christian showdown!!!
    
    The new envoy of the King of France, Mark Ferriol, upon his arrival in Constantinople in the 1690s, almost immediately became embroiled in a religious conflict between Catholics and Gregorian Armenians.
    
    The background to this conflict is as follows. In 1622, Pope Gregory XV founded a "congregation for the propagation of the faith." His successor Urban VIII added to it a “college of propaganda”, where future Jesuit missionaries were trained. Representatives of the Holy See behaved very aggressively in Turkey. They paid special attention to the community of Armenian Gregorians, trying with all their might to Catholicize them. Taking advantage of the fact that the religious doctrine of Armenian Christians coincided in its main points with Catholic dogmas, the Jesuits preached in Gregorian churches and attracted many Armenians to themselves. However, converts were forbidden to visit Gregorian churches and communicate with former coreligionists.
    
    Armenian hierarchs considered the actions of the Jesuits impermissible and complained about their inappropriate zeal to the Divan - the Turkish government. In peacetime, the Turks treated Christians with great tolerance (the Koran states that “he who says: there is no God but one God will enter paradise”; in addition, it is written there that “the number of the elect is appointed for all eternity”, that makes the missionary activity of Christians meaningless and harmless for the faithful). Not considering it appropriate to support some infidels against others, the Turkish government did not interfere in these disputes for a long time, giving both sides complete freedom of action.
    Ferriol tried to get the Grand Vizier to remove Avedik from managing the affairs of the Armenian Church. But the Grand Mufti, the spiritual head of Turkish Muslims, who was a good friend of Avedik, opposed this intrigue and even appointed the Armenian hierarch “the Armenian Patriarch of Constantinople and Jerusalem.” Since the mufti's decisions had the force of law, Ferriol had to temporarily abandon his plans.
    
    The situation changed in 1703, when a great uprising broke out in Constantinople. The Janissaries overthrew Sultan Mustafa II and installed his brother, Ahmet III, on the throne; the Grand Mufti was stabbed to death during street riots. Two months after these events, Avedik was removed from the post of patriarch and imprisoned in the Seven Tower Castle; then, at the insistence of Ferriol, he was exiled to Syria.
    Ferriol used all his influence to make the imprisonment of the deposed patriarch intolerable. He demanded that Avedik be put “in a prison filled with water”; the government of Louis XIV did not dissociate itself from the actions of its ambassador.
    
    The Armenian community refused to obey the new patriarch and sought the return of Avedik. In the end, they bribed the Grand Vizier for a huge sum of 400 purses (approximately 800 thousand francs at that time), and after a year of misadventures, Avedik again sat on the patriarchal throne. “He has united with the Greeks,” Ferriol reported to Versailles, “and I foresee terrible persecution against Catholics.” The Patriarch really had no reason to sympathize with the Roman Church, but Ferriol's feigned alarm was meant to justify his own malice against Avedik. “I will not give him a minute of peace, knowing him to be a very angry person and capable of strong pretense,” wrote the French ambassador.
    When Avedik's term of exile ended, the Marquis of Ferriol, in order to finally get rid of the patriarch, developed a plan for his abduction: when Avetik was returning from Tenetos, the Marquis, on the orders of the influential Latin monk Hyacinth, who acted directly on behalf of the Pope, organized the abduction of the patriarch by hired bandits, who transported him first to Sicily, and from there they were taken to Marseilles, where the patriarch was once again thrown into a dungeon.
    .. And so on.
    About the mask - this is fantasy.
    But the Turks, in fact, have nothing to do with it. The Catholic French reported to the Turks against the Gregorian Armenians, and the Gregorian Armenians also reported to the Turks against the Catholic French.
    1. genisis
      
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      15 May 2018 10: 06
      
      the creed of Armenian Christians in the main dogmas coincided with Catholics
      
      But what, the doctrine of the Greek Christians, whose church tradition was adopted by the Russian Church, does not coincide in its basic dogmas with the Catholics? On the contrary, Greek Christians and Catholics are closer to each other than Armenian Christians. Both Greek Christians and Catholics are diaphysites, unlike the miaphysites of the Armenians.
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14 May 2018 18: 09

Quote: Sounds are not music
the architect of Suleiman the Magnificent also went to the Khoja, but something tells me that it was simply forced...

What is simply forced.....? The architect of Suleiman the Magnificent was simply forced to make a pilgrimage to Mecca? And who (what) “forced” or “forced” the architect to do so?
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14 May 2018 18: 10

Quote: Sounds are not music
And about the kick to Stalin - an ultimatum to remove the tanks from the border with Turkey within three days?

Then it’s not just to remove the tanks from the border with Turkey, but to withdraw our troops from Iran altogether.
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14 May 2018 18: 17

Quote: Brut
He is an ardent Armenophobe, it’s personal to him (he said it himself) and it’s permeated into all the cells of his brain.

Lies again!!!
I will repeat what I said.
I said that I personally I hate liars. But the fact that the Armenians found on the Internet are all liars - is that really my problem?
Stop lying and inventing all sorts of fables - and there will be no complaints against you.
Oh yes, I'm still creepy and I personally hate Nazis.
A distinctive feature of a Nazi is a contemptuous attitude towards other nations. Why do Armenians say that they are “under blockade”? Because Armenians, from the height of their Armenian Nazism, despise Azerbaijanis and Georgians, Turks and Persians. Some more (Azerbaijanis and Turks), some less - Georgians and Persians. But they still despise everyone. The Armenians despise us too, but just like in the case of the Persians, in relations with us the Armenians are still forced to shove their contempt up their ass. Because they use us (and the Persians) for their own purposes. In fact, Armenians only very beautifully sing songs about the friendship of peoples, about their love of peace and about their friendship for the great Russian people. But it’s not for nothing that they say - look not by their words, but by their deeds. And the situation is such that it was from Armenia that, in percentage terms, after the collapse of the USSR, the largest number of Russian speakers left. Let me remind you that this is not in absolute terms, but in percentage terms. If their “beloved” neighbors in Azerbaijan during the USSR had a little more than 400-hundred thousand Russian-speaking people, now there are more than 120 thousand of them left there. And in Armenia there were just over 70 thousand, but less than 10 thousand remained. And according to some estimates, there are not even five thousand Russians. Not counting the military personnel of our base and their families. The once tolerant Erivan province of our Russian Empire, where Armenians made up just over 50% of the population, and along with them hundreds of other nationalities lived in the province, has now turned into the most mononational country in the world, where the number of the titular population is 98,8%. The peace-loving Armenians drove out, pushed out or squeezed out everyone else, squeezing them in their hot friendly embrace. Yes, even from Tajikistan, where not only, like in Armenia, there was no water or light for years, but there was also a civil war going on, and even less of our people left in percentage terms than from Armenia. Even the most unpretentious MOLOKANS fled from Armenia, who even consider using electricity a sin. Under Soviet rule, there were about (or slightly more) 50 purely Molokan villages in Armenia. Now there are only 2 (two) left - Lermontovo and Fioletovo, and they are already half Armenian. Hitler did not even dream of achieving such a “German/non-German” ratio for his Nazi Germany, which the “most peace-loving, friendliest” Armenians have now achieved. THE ARMENIANS ARE HITLER'S MOST CONSISTENT DISCIPLES, NOW IMPLEMENTING HIS IDEAS IN PRACTICE.
1. genisis
  
  +3
  
  14 May 2018 19: 10
  
  I personally hate liars
  
  Yes, you yourself lie incessantly.
  In this topic alone, you lied at least three times: you slandered Galitsky, you slandered Nzhdeh, you slandered 89 SD.
  After this, are you going to say anything else about lying?
Okolotochny

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14 May 2018 21: 25

garnik,
Who wrote the comment that it was deleted? Are you outraged by the Armenian flags in secluded places? Secondly, “the Armenian people were conquered by Russia.” All of you, former residents of the USSR, have an inferiority complex towards Russia. If it were not for Russia, then Armenia would not exist now. Do you want to build “Great Armenia”? No problem. Just why the hell should we build “Great Armenia” on the territory of Sochi, Krasnodar Territory, Moscow, St. Petersburg? Do you have your own territory? Go ahead and sing. To the extreme, Russia has not developed the Far East and Siberia. After such nationalist posts, Garnik, including yours, I will support those who will simply throw your vlazhki out of the country along with those who attach them to cars. Let them make their own cowards out of these flags. I repeat, I remember those times when “refugees” came in droves from Baku and Sumgait, such poor people. Now they are dissecting on geldings, on the left vodka they have risen, and with Armenian flags.
1. garnik
  
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  15 May 2018 08: 03
  
  I’m answering you because I think it’s more adequate in the dialogue. The topic is generally about one of the best economists in the world of Armenian origin, who volunteered to help in the development of the Armenian economy. And it would be a sin not to take advantage of this.
  The fact that you are annoyed by national flags on the windshield speaks of your intolerance towards other nations. A friend of mine placed a flag on a truck, in response to my remark, he justified how much help this flag brings on the road.
  A week ago, 28 years later, my father-in-law and his cousin met at my house. So they are still wandering around apartments after Baku. Armenians are different.
  Burnt vodka is a theme of the Yezidis and Ossetians, although Armenians are present there as well as all representatives of the CIS peoples.
  1. Okolotochny
    
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    15 May 2018 17: 58
    
    Garnik, there was football in Krasnodar - the Russian national team and the Armenian national team. So, buses with “former refugees” left the villages and villages to cheer for the Armenian national team. This is what angers me. This is how I cited it, a special case. But there are a lot of them. What’s interesting is that the Armenians, who before 1986 lived on the territory of the Kuban did not and do not behave this way. You see, they don’t have the concept of “Armenian show-off” at all.
    1. garnik
      
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      15 May 2018 19: 54
      
      I will disappoint you, but all Armenians will root for their national team, regardless of when they arrived in Russia. And this is normal, but otherwise always for Russia. Just like Russian emigrants in other countries.
      But the show-off will pass, this also infuriates me. When there is nothing behind the soul, you have to prove your importance with your antics.
      1. Okolotochny
        
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        15 May 2018 21: 00
        
        No. I don't agree here. Before that, they were residents of the USSR of Armenian nationality, lived in the Azerbaijan SSR, and were evacuated not to the Armenian SSR, mind you, but to the territory of the RSFSR, and subsequently Russia. Many of them rose well here, becoming directors, businessmen, head teachers, etc. The majority have never even seen Armenia. And they are rooting against Russia! In Russia they had everything, a reserve for their generations, money in the end. Here’s an idea, would you suggest they donate part of their money to the restoration of Armenia? 99% of the time there will be excuses. These are the Armenian show-offs, by the way, this expression has come into use, and they infuriate. Where did you get up? Where did you feel like people? And Garnik, if nationalists really come to power in Russia, then these guys will now ride around with Russian flags and criticize Armenia, believe me, this will happen. For them, money is the main thing. They drive in cars and listen to Armenian songs full of music; they listen to them with a languid and intelligent look. And how do they rock out at discos to Russian songs in an attempt to pick up girls?
FLOOD

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15 May 2018 08: 01

They would like to bring Avakov and Omelyan from Ukraine on a patriotic basis, rather than the Turkish-Armenian-American hybrid, the kind the special services usually use. But no, this is a messenger and Alex will be bored without Eustos...
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15 May 2018 09: 13

Quote: Gardamir
But if Armenia recoils from us, it will be another failure of the genius of foreign policy.

If Armenia recoils from us, it will be a huge relief. Because as long as Armenia hangs like a heavy weight on our feet, we cannot fully establish relations with either Turkey or Azerbaijan. Plus problems with Pakistan and other Muslim countries.
As long as our base remains in Armenia, and even on the very border with Turkey, the Turks will always have reason to doubt the purity of our intentions regarding Turkey.
Armenia, with all its governments, clearly fulfills the task set by the United States - by all means to prevent the creation of a Russian-Turkish union, to which Iran (and Azerbaijan) will join.
1. genisis
  
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  15 May 2018 09: 19
  
  Russian-Turkish alliance, which Iran will join?!? )))
  Thank you, seal, I laughed until I cried.
  Your dreams are amazing, how good they are.
  Only if the cat teams up with the dog, it will definitely be an alliance against the cook.
FLOOD

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15 May 2018 09: 16

Quote: Okolotochny
Yeah, it turns out the Armenians saved Moscow. Listen, you are really sick of nationalism. Just build it at home, in Armenia.

It's only the beginning
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15 May 2018 09: 23

Quote: genisis
It's getting funny.

Funny ?? Well, yes, it’s probably really funny for hereditary professional swindlers to look at suckers. That's why they are swindlers. And when swindlers are caught cheating, they defend themselves professionally, including using works of art.

I will repeat. It all started with the fact that a certain Armenian priest Joseph (Argutinsky), asking Paul I to take the Armenians under the protection, introduced the Armenians to the king as an Orthodox people. He promised our Emperor Paul I that if our Tsar took the Armenians under his protection, that during services in Armenian churches they would glorify the name of the All-Russian Emperor and members of his family in the same way as is done in the Russian Orthodox Church. Paul the First in 1798 issued a Decree that the Russian crown would take the Armenian people under its protection and recognized this priest Joseph of Argutinsky as the most important Armenian hierarch. Like the Armenian patriarch. Most likely, it was during that period that the term “Orthodox” appeared in the full (and therefore quite rarely used) name of the Armenian Apostolic Church. But when necessary, Joseph Argutinsky used this term “Apostolic Orthodox” to the fullest.
And only after almost 100 years it was revealed that they did not mention in the Armenian churches, did not mention and did not intend to mention the Russian Tsar. Since the service is conducted according to the Etchmiadzin canon, which prohibits mentioning .... I don’t remember now, whether it’s forbidding to mention kings in principle, or whether it’s forbidding to mention kings of a non-Gregorian religion. But in our case, it doesn’t matter on the forehead or on the forehead. The main thing that was not mentioned. Moreover, Armenians teach this in their parish schools. And Emperor Alexander III made an absolutely fair decision to close schools, and soon, since the Armenian schools continued to work illegally at Gregorian churches, a decision was made to take property from this church.
However, here you need more.
1. Seal
  
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  15 May 2018 09: 25
  
  After the Russian-Turkish war of 1878-1879 . in which Loris-Melikov showed himself to be a worthless commander, breaking our forces into three columns, as a result of which our forces were besieged in Bayazet, and the other column was essentially idle, rising even higher, becoming a Member of the State Council (February 11, 1880) , Honorary Member of the Imperial Academy of Sciences (29.12.1880/XNUMX/XNUMX).
  And in the last months of the reign of Emperor Alexander II, he served as Minister of Internal Affairs with expanded powers.
  And it was during his leadership of the ministry that the head of state, Emperor Alexander II, was murdered in St. Petersburg in circumstances that indicated the absence of sufficient measures to protect the personal security of the emperor.
  This is the opinion of both Chief Prosecutor Pobedonostsev and the opinion of the new Emperor Alexander III.
  Therefore, the first thing that Alexander III did was to kick Loris-Melikov out of public service with a filthy broom. In a letter dated April 30, 1881, Alexander III wrote to Pobedonostsev:
  “This morning I received a letter from Mr. Loris-Melikov, in which he asks for dismissal under the guise of illness. I answered him and accepted his request.
  <...>
  and further
  
  I saw yesterday gr. Loris-Melikova at the parade and then at breakfast at Oldenburgsky Ave., and although he didn’t say anything to me, it was clear from his face that he was very dissatisfied and upset.”
  
  But the truly Russian Tsar Alexander III was not limited to Loris-Melikov alone. He instructs the Minister of Internal Affairs Tolstoy to immediately take measures against Armenians and Armenian nationalism as a whole !!!
  And by the end of the 1880s, almost all Armenians were fired from government posts in the Russian Empire.
  In 1885, Armenian schools were closed; in 1889, the course of history and geography of Armenia was excluded from schooling.
  No less cool for the Armenians took our Tsar Nicholas II. At first, in 1897-1899 laws were passed on the transfer of parish schools of Armenia to the Ministry of Education. And on June 12, 1903, the Regulation “On the Concentration of Property Management of the Armenian-Gregorian Church in Russia in the possession of government institutions” was adopted. According to it, all real estate (including profitable land) and capital belonging to the Armenian church and religious institutions passed into the jurisdiction of the state. True, this cannot be called complete confiscation, since the share of their owner, the Armenian religious institutions, was allocated from the proceeds from the sale of confiscated property and cash. And only the First Russian Revolution of 1905, when we were already not up to the Armenians, made Nicholas II turn off this path
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15 May 2018 09: 35

Quote: genisis
In this topic alone, you lied at least three times: you slandered Galitsky, you slandered Nzhdeh, you slandered 89 SD.

Your lies again.
What exactly did I allegedly lie about:
1. Galitsky
2. Nje
3. 89th SD
Only specifically!!!
1. genisis
  
  +2
  
  15 May 2018 09: 49
  
  Yes please.
  1) You claim that the Magnit network, under the leadership of Galitsky, acquired land plots at “unfair” auctions. Do you have proof?
  2) You claim that Nzhdeh said the phrase: “Whoever dies for Germany dies for Armenia.” Do you have proof?
  3) You claim that the 89th SD did not surround or blockade the anti-aircraft tower in the Humboldt-Hain park. Do you have proof?
  Provide evidence, otherwise you will turn out to be the very liar you dislike so much.
2. Brut
  
  +1
  
  15 May 2018 11: 39
  
  Quote: Seal
  Quote: Brut
  He is an ardent Armenophobe, it’s personal to him (he said it himself) and it’s permeated into all the cells of his brain.
  Lies again!!!
  I will repeat what I said.
  I said that I personally hate liars. But the fact that the Armenians found on the Internet are all liars - is that really my problem?
  Stop lying and inventing all sorts of fables - and there will be no complaints against you.
  
  You lie again, you distort to such an extent that you yourself are confused, but you said/wrote the following:
  Quote: Seal
  Quote: genisis
  Karen, sometimes it seems to me that he has something deeply personal connected with the Armenians))
  Exactly what is personal. To the depths of my soul, I personally hate those who try to solve their problems (for example, to annex a certain mountain located in a neighboring country) at our expense.
  
  then you say that you hate Armenians because they want to “annex a certain hill located in a neighboring country” at your expense, then you say that you hate Armenians because “Armenians found on the Internet all completely liars." Both of these statements themselves are lies and Armenophobia. Can you prove your statements? No?! Then your words are worthless. And if you can, then provide evidence of the lies of ALL Armenians encountered on the Internet.
  
  And every time you have nothing to answer, you simply remain silent, like here:
  Quote: Brut
  At first:
  Quote: Seal
  Quote: Brut
  How did you find that?
  Elementary. With the help of numbers and normal, not Armenian, arithmetic.
  Later:
  Quote: Seal
  Quote: Brut
  I’ll tell you a secret: mathematics is an exact science and there is no “most likely” in it.
  I'll tell you an even bigger secret. Mathematics is an exact science when it has the ability to operate with exact numbers. And when there are no exact numbers, then there is no exact mathematics.
  Well, if there is no exact data, do not use mathematics as proof. You have no logical train of thought at all, you are driven only by Armenophobia.
  
  For me personally, it doesn’t matter how many Armenians took part in the Great Patriotic War, what’s important to me is that both of my grandfathers fought for their Motherland.
  And more
  Quote: Seal
  Only specifically!!!
  
  here are 3 very specific questions for you
  Quote: genisis
  Yes please.
  1) You claim that the Magnit network, under the leadership of Galitsky, acquired land plots at “unfair” auctions. Do you have proof?
  2) You claim that Nzhdeh said the phrase: “Whoever dies for Germany dies for Armenia.” Do you have proof?
  3) You claim that the 89th SD did not surround or blockade the anti-aircraft tower in the Humboldt-Hain park. Do you have proof?
  Provide evidence, otherwise you will turn out to be the very liar you dislike so much.
  
  Especially about Nzhdeh’s phrase.
Seal

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15 May 2018 09: 53

Quote: genisis
Yes, we looked in different lists. And rear guards, and infantry, and sappers, and tank crews. And they found it everywhere.

Except for lists of snipers.
The infantry is chosen. They end up in the infantry. Tankers and sappers also get hit. And you can even get into the rear areas completely by accident.
And only a sniper is not hit by accident. They're going to sniper consciously.
And for some reason there are no Armenians among the snipers
1. Borders
  
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  15 May 2018 10: 29
  
  glory to Yakutia and Evenkia
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15 May 2018 09: 55

Quote: genisis
Truly, logic is not your strong point

Oh? Where are you and where is the LOGIC???
FLOOD

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15 May 2018 15: 46

Quote: The sounds are not music
Quote: Seal
Quote: Hayasa Ararat
Armenian by nationality

By religion - Muslim

There was a law in force in Persia at that time: a Christian who converted to Islam could claim the inheritance of his relatives, so ours, in order to protect themselves from bad fellow tribesmen, fictitiously converted to Islam...

Well, we know about this, you accept everything fictitiously))
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15 May 2018 16: 04

Quote: genisis
Provide evidence, otherwise you will turn out to be the very liar you dislike so much.

This is Armenian logic. At first he called me a liar, and only then (now) suddenly (when he was kicked) he came to his senses and still asked for evidence, otherwise...
Yes please.
1. About Magnets.
Prosecutor's office.
Southern Transport Prosecutor's Office / News /
News
01.08.2016
In the Rostov region, based on the results of supervisory measures, a legal entity was brought to administrative responsibility for unauthorized occupation of a land plot.
http://www.utprok.ru/news/12937.html
The Likhovskaya Transport Prosecutor's Office, based on the results of an inspection of the implementation of legislation regulating the use of state property at transport facilities owned by the Russian Federation, revealed that in Krasnovka, Kamensky district, Rostov region JSC "Tander" arbitrarily occupied a land plot with an area of 368 sq.m. for the needs of the Magnit supermarket.
1. Seal
  
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  15 May 2018 16: 05
  
  Police.
  The Sverdlovsk State Traffic Safety Inspectorate won a lawsuit against Magnit, which illegally built a road to its logistics center through a gas station.
  The Magnit trade and logistics center, located near Yekaterinburg on the federal highway R-242, was defeated in a lawsuit against the traffic police. Servants of Themis, at the suggestion of road inspectors, obliged the retailer to re-equip the road to the regional distribution center. To achieve this, the State Traffic Inspectorate had to go all the way to the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation.
  As RIA Novy Den was informed today by the press service of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation for the Sverdlovsk Region, in 2013, at 333 km in the right of way of the federal highway Perm - Yekaterinburg, Tander JSC built the Magnit trade and logistics center. In August 2016, construction of an access road began here. Moreover, access to the federal highway was organized through the LUKoil-Permnefteproduct gas station.
  Having studied the project documentation, experts noted violations of the requirements of regulatory documents in force in the field of road safety. Based on this, the State Traffic Inspectorate of the Sverdlovsk Region suspended the work, and Ninth Trust-Comfort LLC, which carried out the construction of the road, issued a demand to cease illegal actions.
  In response, Tander JSC and Ninth Trust-Comfort LLC appealed to the Arbitration Court of the Sverdlovsk Region with a complaint against the actions of the traffic police officers, as well as with a request to cancel the demand. “During the court hearing in the Sverdlovsk Arbitration Court, and subsequently in the Seventeenth Arbitration Court of Appeal, the Arbitration Court of the Ural Federal District and the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation, the State Traffic Inspectorate proved the legality of the issued requirement, as well as the presence of violations of the legislation of the Russian Federation on road safety, rules, standards, technical standards allowed during the design and construction of the access road to the logistics center of Tander JSC,” the department notes. – Now this organization needs to bring a separate access road through the transport interchange to the village of Novoalekseevskoe into compliance with the put forward requirements. Moreover, the road should exclude the use of transitional express lanes of the LUKoil-Permnefteproduct gas station.”
  1. Seal
    
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    15 May 2018 16: 07
    
    Supreme Court.
    The Supreme Court banned the construction of the Magnit hypermarket in the park near the Colosseum in Samara https://63.ru/text/gorod/221753494470656.html
    The owner of the Magnit grocery store chain was unable to obtain a review of the case on the ban on the construction of a hypermarket at the intersection of Georgiy Dimitrova and Stara Zagora streets in Samara. The Supreme Court of the Russian Federation refused to consider the complaint of Tander CJSC.
    
    Federal Antimonopoly Service.
    Office: Komi OFAS Russia
    Area of activity: Antimonopoly regulation - control of tenders
    Document number: No. 05-14/10705
    Case number: No. 05-14/10705
    Joint Stock Company "Tander" (hereinafter referred to as JSC "Tander") is appealing:
    
    - inaction of the bankruptcy trustee of the limited liability company "Trading House "Shydos" (hereinafter referred to as "TD "Shydos" LLC) when organizing repeated auctions in the form of failure to indicate in the message about the repeated auction information about the existence of an encumbrance on the property in the form of a lease;
    
    - actions of the bankruptcy trustee of TD Shydos LLC in the form of including in the message about the initial auction dated 21.08.2015/77031592880/XNUMX (announcement No. XNUMX) information about the repeated auction, until the initial auction was declared invalid.
    
    DECIDED:
    1. Recognize the complaint as unfounded.
    2. Recognize the bankruptcy trustee - the organizer of the auction as having violated paragraph 3 of part 8, part 9 of article 110 of the Insolvency Law in terms of inaction in the form of non-publication in the Kommersant newspaper of a message about the repeated auction.
    3. Taking into account the formality of the identified violation, the stage of the auction, the absence of applications for participation in the auction, the publication of a notice of the auction in the Unified Federal Register of Bankruptcy Information and on the electronic platform “Verdict”, an order not to issue.
    Well, we can say that they were lucky in that although their complaint was not satisfied, they were not punished either
    1. Seal
      
      0
      
      15 May 2018 16: 08
      
      Arbitration court
      Volgograd Case No. A12 - 3597/2013 “04” June 2013
      The operative part of the decision was announced on May 29, 2013
      The solution was completed in full on June 04, 2013
      Arbitration Court of the Volgograd Region, composed of judge O.I. Kalashnikova,
      when keeping minutes by the secretary of the court session M.D. Utyusheva,
      having considered the case on the claim in open court
      administration of the Gorodishchensky urban settlement of the Gorodishchensky municipal
      district of the Volgograd region (TIN 3403020492, OGRN 1053455070998) to
      closed joint stock company "Tander" (TIN 2310031475, OGRN 10223015
      98549) about the demolition of an unauthorized building, Guided by Articles 167-170 of the Arbitration Procedure Code of the Russian Federation, the Arbitration Court of the Volgograd Region decided to satisfy the claim.
      
      Recognize a building under construction one-story goods store
      everyday demand, built-up area 729,6 sq.m., degree of readiness 6%,
      located at the address: Russia, Volgograd region, Gorodishchensky district, r.p.
      Gorodishche, pl. 40 years of the Battle of Stalingrad, d. 5, unauthorized construction.
      Oblige the closed joint stock company "Tander" to demolish the unauthorized building - an unfinished building of a one-story consumer goods store, a building area of 729,6 sq.m., degree of completion 6%, located at the address: Russia, Volgograd region, Gorodishchensky district, r.p. Gorodishche, pl. 40 years of the Battle of Stalingrad, no. 5
      1. Seal
        
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        15 May 2018 16: 09
        
        Case No. A43 - 4366/2018 Nizhny Novgorod April 02, 2018
        DECISION
        
        The operative part of the decision was announced on March 29, 2018
        The solution was completed in full on April 02, 2018
        The inspection revealed failure to comply with the order by July 17.07.2017, XNUMX, namely: did not submit a building permit, a document on the placement of indentation lines from red lines on the ground, in accordance with the requirements of Part 5 of Article 52 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation.
        
        DECIDED :
        satisfy the requirements stated by the State Construction Supervision Inspectorate of the Nizhny Novgorod Region.
        Attract joint stock company "THANDER" (OGRN 1022301598549, INN 2310031475; date and place of state registration as a legal entity: 28.06.1996, Registration Chamber of the Krasnodar City Administration, legal address: Krasnodar Territory, Krasnodar, Levanevsky St., 185), to administrative liability provided for in Part 6 of Article 19.5 of the Code of the Russian Federation on Administrative Offences, and impose on him an administrative penalty in the form of a fine in the amount of 90000 (ninety thousand) rubles.
        
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        People.
        Omsk.
        Omchanin October 7, 2012
        https://omchanin.livejournal.com/395447.html#comm
        ent
        In Omsk, Magnit illegally built a hyper, and even on a radioactive storage facility
        The other day, fate brought me to Channel 12. Arriving at the place, I was amazed to see that between the Khimik cultural center and residential building No. 32 on the street. Chemists literally in a matter of weeks appeared a huge building of the Magnit hypermarket. And since the road junction looked completely ill-conceived, and simply put, absent, I had serious suspicions about the legality of this construction. Colleague Alexey Panteleev confirmed his doubts. And then, as if by order, fate brings me, this time to a press conference with the participation of the chief architect of our city, Anatoly Genrikhovich Til. I ask him directly, in front of all the journalists and voice recorders, whether permission was issued for the construction of this hypermarket, and whether this facility will be commissioned. The question really surprises Til. It turns out that he is absolutely unaware of this construction and, naturally, no permit was issued. Accordingly, there cannot be any commissioning act. So it turns out that "Magnit, without documents, illegally and incomprehensibly built a huge store, which thousands of Omsk residents will visit every day. As it turns out, no one in our city can stop this. Now “Magnit” will go to court, present a conclusion from some office that this object complies with all SNiPs and rules, and it will be legalized. The judge, painfully rolling his eyes, will say that, alas, the developer spent too much on the property and nothing can be done about it except legalize it. But, as it turned out, this is only a prelude to a future sensation.
        And it is that the hypermarket building was built directly on a former storage facility for radioactive materials and there is evidence of this! Reader Ivanov posted a photo.
        These are not sewer wells, these are 12 cells for storing all kinds of radioactive rubbish in lead containers, covered with a concrete slab on top. Apparently, this territory was once home to something that used radioactive elements in devices, and stored broken or failed parts here. Afterwards, apparently, the well heads were concreted, but who checked and measured the radiation level in this place, if no one allowed construction here?
        
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        Izhevsk
        https://susanin.news/udmurtia/everyday/20180406-2
        48091/#hcq=qAjA7Sq
        The city administration had to return to Tander JSC the money that the company paid for the purchase of the land plot. Izhevsk Udmurtia. Residents of houses on Bummash, who disagreed with the construction of “Magnit” in the yard, were able to return the land plot. The press service of Izhevsk reports this. According to the municipality, in 2012, on the initiative of the former city leadership, the territory near house No. 70 on Bummashevskaya Street was divided into three sections. One of them was purchased by Tander JSC in May 2013. The company planned to build a two-story store almost on the adjacent territory with groceries on the first floor and household chemicals on the second. Dissatisfied with the future neighborhood, the residents of the house went to court to declare the decision of the Izhevsk administration of 2012 to change the type of permitted use of the land plot illegal, and the auction for the sale of the land plot invalid. Organizational support for citizens when going to court was provided by the Department of Land Resources and Land Management of the municipality. On March 5 of this year, the Supreme Court of the Udmurt Republic approved a settlement agreement between Thunder, the city administration and a representative of the owners of the house. As a result, the site was returned to municipal ownership and its purpose was returned to it as public land. At the same time, the city administration had to return the money that the company spent when concluding the purchase and sale agreement in 2013. As Den.org wrote in May 2016 with reference to First Deputy Head of Administration Ildar Bikbulatov, the developer paid 13 million rubles for the land at the auction. In 2016, the site was valued at 16 million, the price included a fee for registration of the site and design work.
        
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        Tolyatti.
        http://tltgorod.ru/news/theme-62/news-63674/
        13.04.2016 9:00
        In Tolyatti, Magnit builders arbitrarily seized part of a land plot
        As deputy Maxim Guseinov told TLTgorod, 6 thousand 96 square meters were allocated for the construction of the Magnit store, which is causing so much discontent today. But vigilant residents noticed that the fence enclosing the construction site had been moved several times. The deputy, together with his party comrades, took the time to go to the site and take measurements.
        “Of course, we measured using the collective farm method, with a tape measure,” the deputy admits, “we found that the fenced area is now 9 thousand 600 meters. This is a significant increase. Based on this, I made a request to the mayor's office, in which I notified about the violation. And then I received a letter from there. Indeed, the unauthorized seizure of territory is confirmed.
        I think that to carry out work, the Magnit builders need a larger area than what is indicated in the permit. If they are squeezed within the limits of what is permitted, they may not be able to work. 678 signatures have already been collected in an appeal from residents against the construction of this facility. The appeal will be sent to the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation and the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation».
        
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        Astrakhan.
        https://ast-news.ru/node/2914?page=6
        The unfinished "Magnit" near the railway station will be demolished by the court
        25.10.2010, 12: 02
        A huge concrete oryashina, which is being built near the overpass in the alignment of the street. Academician Queen, they can demolish it by court order. A three-story Magnit store was to be located here, which in size could easily compete with the Lenta hypermarket. True, unlike the St. Petersburg networkers, who built their store after receiving all the permits, the owner of the future “Magnit” apparently decided to not give a damn about legal norms. It seems that the price of this disregard will be money wasted on the construction of an illegal facility.
        On July 29, 2010, the Arbitration Court of the Astrakhan Region decided to demolish the unauthorized building on Vokzalnaya Square.
        
        Are you enough?
2. genisis
  
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  15 May 2018 16: 16
  
  seal, stop )))))))
  Stop polluting the airwaves with your cranberries
  Here is your comment earlier about Magnit
  The Magnit network received land plots throughout Russia at such “competitive prices” that the Accounts Chamber still has 10 more to sort out. Plus almost immunity from the actions of a number of supervisory authorities.
  
  Now you are posting some nonsense about unfinished construction, improperly built roads, and so on.
  In general, you attract spreading cranberries by the ears.
FLOOD

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15 May 2018 16: 09

Quote: net0103net
You correctly argue, but ... the gas pipeline has already been built, and NATO has long been in Azerbaijan, so your reasoning, if they are sincere, they are only yours, and if not, it is a provocation against Armenia and its people.
The Russian military base now stands in Armenia and not in Azerbaijan - that’s where the amendment to your reasoning is.

And since when is NATO in Azerbaijan? How many classes have you completed as a foreman?
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15 May 2018 16: 45

Quote: genisis
2) You claim that Nzhdeh said the phrase: “Whoever dies for Germany dies for Armenia.” Do you have proof?

Taken from your own Armenian sites.

http://russia-armenia.info/node/28494#_ftnref84

http://nashasreda.ru/garegin-nzhde/
Your Armenian sites provide this information.
(The fact is that in 1943, rumors were spread from the leading circles of Germany that a German-Turkish war would soon break out. The leading circles of the Armenians of the Syurk, including Nzhdeh, called on the Armenians to prepare for this war: for the liberation of Turkish Armenia with the help of Germany[84]).

Number 84 is
Interrogations of M. Dogramadjyan and Nshan Davidyan, stored in Nzhdeh file No. 11728, vol. 3, p. 119-125, R. Hambartsumyan “G. Nzhdeh. Biographical additions...”, Yerevan, 2005, p. 287-289....

And already in the interrogation materials there is the following.
However, read for yourself. On page 24.
http://www.noravank.am/upload/pdf/301_ru.pdf

It goes without saying that the authors of the publication gave their own note that the alleged testimony does not correspond to historical facts. But as usual, the authors did not provide anything to confirm what allegedly does not correspond.
And the protocol is the protocol. And under it is the signature of the person being interrogated. “It was read by me. It is written down correctly from my words.”
That's it.
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2. Brut
  
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  Quote: Seal
  Taken from your own Armenian sites.
  
  You mean “either take off the cross or put on your panties” (c).
  
  Either you claim that ALL Armenians lie, then you cite Armenian sources as evidence. At least one of your statements comes out LYING (Q.E.D). This is LOGIC, which is alien to you.
  
  A lot of text does not mean a lot of meaning.
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15 May 2018 16: 49

Quote: net0103net
NATO has been in Azerbaijan for a long time

Really? And how is this statement confirmed by you?
And about supposedly our base.
Let me remind you that from 1,5 to 2,5 million Armenians live in the United States. And there are no poor among them. The Armenian lobby in the US Congress is the second most influential after the Israeli one. After the collapse of the USSR, the Armenian lobby in the US Congress raised the question of the need to protect Armenia before the US Presidential Administration.
And here the US Presidential Administration began scratching turnips. It is impossible to ignore the request of the Armenian lobby - it is very influential and is needed to resolve many other issues important to the US Presidential Administration. On the other hand, it is necessary to ensure the protection of Armenia in such a way so as not to cause irritation of the old NATO member - Turkey, with which the United States then had love and full mutual understanding. And we still have not to offend a new friend - Yeltsin's Russia, where then the best friend of the USA - Andrei Kozyrev was in charge of foreign affairs.
It would seem that the simplest thing is to accept Armenia into NATO. But this will just outrage Turkey and Russia. Moreover, it contradicts the NATO Charter, since states that have territorial disputes with neighbors cannot be accepted into NATO. And Armenia is not something that has a territorial dispute - it generally occupied part of a neighboring country (Azerbaijan) and openly claims to part of the territory of a NATO member - Turkey.
You can place a US military base in Armenia. But this step will cause exactly the same reaction. And how to explain to US taxpayers why the US has a base in Armenia when there are bases in neighboring Turkey?
And then the United States made a deft Jesuit move. They recommended the Armenians ask for a base .... in Russia. And the Armenians, who had recently spit in our direction to such an extent that they banned the holding of a referendum on the preservation of the USSR on the territory of Armenia, quickly changed their shoes and began to sing songs about the great friendship of the Armenian people to the great Russian people. AND
Kozyrev presented this matter to EBN in such a way that we supposedly could launch a hedgehog in the US pants and that the USA supposedly could not do anything to us. Of course, this proposal led EBN to delight. As a result, Kozyrev received another order, and Armenia received our base.
And the USA joyfully rubbed their hands. Since this decision alone immediately killed a lot of rabbits.
- Ensured the security of Armenia without quarreling with Turkey;
- Saved money;
- They laid a mine under Russian-Turkish and Russian-Azerbaijani relations for decades to come.
Now this unfortunate base, which is absolutely unnecessary for us to protect Russia proper, has a huge knotty log lying in the way of establishing relations between Russia and Turkey. Armenia’s membership in the CSTO, by the way, is also.
That is, our base in Armenia is not only with the permission of the United States, but, in fact, on the instructions of the United States.
Let me remind you that Armenia has territorial claims against Turkey, and does not hide it. And since we keep our base in Armenia, and even on the border with Turkey, it means that we, too, seem to support Armenia in its territorial claims.
The best thing for us is to withdraw our base from Armenia soon and ... let anyone there arrange their bases - even the United States, even China, even India, even Ethiopia.
Only having withdrawn the base from the territory of Armenia, we will finally get the opportunity to establish honest (without a stone in the bosom) comprehensive relations with Turkey (and Azerbaijan), which even each individually is much more valuable to us than Armenia, and even more so.
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15 May 2018 16: 55

Quote: garnik
Muscovites call them cubanoids for their special attitude towards visitors.

Not Muscovites. And the inhabitants of the Black Sea coast from Psou to somewhere up to Magri. This term is most widespread in Sochi. Including among Sochi Armenians.
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15 May 2018 17: 24
Quote: genisis
I only have fundamental disagreements with seal, who is trying to blatantly slander the soldiers of the 89th SD.

I'll show you again.
Here are the Armenian statements. http://hayastannews.com/news/85828.html
89-I Armenian Taman triple-ordered rifle division - single of all national formations took part in the storming of Berlin and defeated a strong garrison, fortified in the center of the capital, in Humboldt-Hain. For this operation the division was awarded Order of Kutuzov II degree.

In fact.
1. The 89th Tamanskaya did not have the word “Armenian” in its name. But that's just the way it is. The smallest lie.
2. Not the only one. The 416th Infantry Taganrog Red Banner Order of Suvorov Division took part in the assault on Berlin, which in its name could have the expression "Azerbaijani". In addition, in the suburbs of Berlin, falling under the concept of “participation in the assault on Berlin,” the 16th Cavalry operated Bashkir division.
Now a little about the participation of the 89th SD in the assault on Berlin. Let me remind you that the 89th SD was part of the 38th SK. And he was part of the 1st Belorussian. It follows from the documents.
April 20 began the assault on Berlin. And the entire 89 SD reflects the attacks of a whole German battalion with 10 or 12 tanks.
The 21st of April. The troops of the front and 33 armies break through the German defenses, and 38 SC defends the previous line during the day.
April 22nd. In 38 SK, only 64 SD advanced and captured fl. Pagram. The position of the remaining body connections is unchanged. That is, 89 SD and did not go on the attack on April 22.
April 23rd. Finally, 38 SK went on the offensive. But 89 SD is the second echelon of the corps. I didn’t attack.
On April 24, the 38th Corps withdrawn from the battle on April 25 is not mentioned at all.
April 26, 38 SK - reserve front
April 27, 38 SK - reserve front
On April 28, the reserve of the front from 24 00 28.04 transferred to the operational subordination of the commander of 3 UA
On April 29, 38 SK during the night made the transition to the Pankov area and, by the end of the day, fired. That is, I did not go into attacks.
April 30 - fought a little
On May 1, 38 SK did not advance anywhere during the day and, by the end of the day, was fighting at the same line.
On May 2, the 38th SK part of the forces of the 52nd Guards SD led the battle with small enemy infantry groups. The remaining parts of 38 ck apparently did not fight.

The rest are separate, just below. The machine says that the comment with them is very long.
3. The fact that no one smashed the garrison, even my fundamentally deceitful opponent has already agreed with this.
And the fact that the garrison surrendered to the soldiers of the 52nd Guards Riga Rifle Division is proven by documents (Journal of Combat Actions of the 52nd Guards Riga SD - I have posted it many times) and the memoirs of the division commander D.N. Kozin.

But my opponent is still trying to prove that the 89th SD, the main striking force in the assault on Berlin, defeated and captured the garrison of the Anti-Aircraft Tower in Humboldt-Hain Park
And all this was done mainly with the help of award sheets, which in those days were sculpted by whoever wanted, based on the rough records of the howitzer regiment assigned to the 89th SD battery and the like.
5. Confirmation that the 89th SD received the Order of Kutuzov, II degree, for participation in the storming of Berlin to this day (it seems like the third year) has not been presented.
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  Continue posting documents.
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    And the ending.
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Quote: genisis
your dirty stuff

This is all taken from your Armenian sites.
Moreover, the protocol itself is not disputed by anyone.
This is a document.
If you are not aware, there is such a thing as “witness testimony”. They are often the basis for sentencing. Even if the court does not have an audio or video recording of the crime itself.
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15 May 2018 17: 34

Quote: genisis
That is, if Devedjyan had said during this interrogation that you were a woman, then you would not have doubted it either?

If yes.
Now, if Devedjyan had said during interrogation that a certain Genesis is the same.... traitor and enemy of Russia, like Ndzhe - then I would not have doubted it.
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1. Seal
  
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  15 May 2018 17: 48
  But the location of the regiments of the 52nd Guards. Riga Division according to the Combat Log.
2. Seal
  
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  16 May 2018 10: 20
  I am giving a map on a smaller scale so that everyone can see where blocks 55 and 56 are, and where the Anti-Aircraft Tower in Humboldt Hain Park is.
  
  Genesis and other Armenians are trying to present the term assault (fire assault) mentioned in the ZhBD 1445 artillery regiment as a real assault on the Anti-Aircraft Tower, carried out, moreover, by the 89th SD.
  On the basis that a pair of batteries of the 1445 howitzer regiment, which fired at the Anti-Aircraft Tower, was assigned to the 440 SP.
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    16 May 2018 18: 08
    
    And how the 416th SD (Azerbaijani) fought in Berlin. Which, according to the Armenians, did not exist in Berlin at all.
    The 416th SD was part of the 32nd Rifle Corps. Let's see what tasks were set by 416 SD.
    Let me remind you that the 416th division was involved in the assault on Berlin itself from the very beginning of the assault.
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      16 May 2018 18: 10
      
      Let's continue.
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        16 May 2018 18: 18
        
        And we will continue.
        
        During the assault on Berlin, the 416th SD, as a division that actually fought, suffered much more serious losses, weeks ago the 89th Division, which was either in reserve or on the march.
        Oh yes, then something is “blocking”.
        Damn, good word, pick it up, Armenians. "Blocked." The division (albeit with the help of one incomplete regiment) allegedly “blocked” the Anti-Aircraft Tower.
        It doesn’t matter that there is not a single map that would show how the units of the 89th SD were located, supposedly “blocking” the tower. And most importantly, why block it, if the Germans came running there from all over the area to escape and none of them wanted to leave the tower?
        Moreover, “block” with such meager forces.
        That is, if you put someone Armenian somewhere near this Tower, then when asked, “What are you doing here when everyone is fighting,” he can answer: “And I’m blocking this tower here.”
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16 May 2018 07: 24

Quote: Ecilop
Quote: Hayasa Ararat
https://shkolazhizni.ru/authors/ARARAT/posts/6161
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Mysterious Ukrainian Armenians who spoke, wrote and prayed in Kipchak and 400 years ago published the world's first Kipchak book (1) Garkavets A. N. “From the history of Kipchak-speaking Armenians”

Brute force.

Delirium tremens
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16 May 2018 08: 18

Quote: net0103net
Through the same Turkey, which never thought of leaving NATO

Would you like to remember who actually put Turkey into NATO? And at whose initiative was all this done?
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16 May 2018 08: 26

Quote: Sounds are not music
protect yourself from bad fellow tribesmen

Judging by the number of merchants and other Armenians who had the word “Khoja” in their names, you somehow didn’t work out with good fellow tribesmen, right?
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16 May 2018 08: 28

Quote: Brut
Then you claim that ALL Armenians lie

Everything is correct. I argued and maintain that the Armenians are lying about their “historical exploits.” But I never claimed that Armenians lie about their shit.
There are no better specialists in it than you yourself
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  Quote: Seal
  All right.
  
  What is correct is that you are an ordinary liar (which has been proven), well, maybe not quite an ordinary one, but still a LIAR. And no matter how much you squirm, nothing can change.
  
  I have already written that for me any form of xenophobia (Armenophobia, Russophobia, anti-Semitism, etc.) is first of all a phobia (disease/fear). I wish you to be cured.
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    What is the name of this illness of yours?
    The 89th Armenian Taman three-time-bearing rifle division - the only one of all national formations took part in the Sturm of Berlin, and defeated a strong garrison, which strengthened in the center of the capital, in Humboldt-Hein. For this operation, the division was awarded the Order of Kutuzov II degree.
    
    If in fact
    1. The 89th Tamanskaya did not have the word “Armenian” in its name. But that's just the way it is. The smallest lie.
    2. Not the only one. The 416th Infantry Taganrog Red Banner Order of Suvorov Division, which could have the expression “Azerbaijani” in its name, took part in the assault on Berlin. In addition, in the suburbs of Berlin, falling under the concept of “participation in the assault on Berlin,” the 16th Bashkir Cavalry Division operated.
    
    Now a little about the participation of the 89th SD in the assault on Berlin. Let me remind you that the 89th SD was part of the 38th SK. And he was part of the 1st Belorussian. It follows from the documents.
    April 20 began the assault on Berlin. And the entire 89 SD reflects the attacks of a whole German battalion with 10 or 12 tanks.
    The 21st of April. The troops of the front and 33 armies break through the German defenses, and 38 SC defends the previous line during the day.
    April 22nd. In 38 SK, only 64 SD advanced and captured fl. Pagram. The position of the remaining body connections is unchanged. That is, 89 SD and did not go on the attack on April 22.
    April 23. Finally, the 38th SK went on the offensive. But 89 SD is the second echelon of the corps. Didn't advance.
    On April 24, the 38th Corps withdrawn from the battle on April 25 is not mentioned at all.
    April 26, 38 SK - reserve front
    April 27, 38 SK - reserve front
    April 28 front reserve from 24 00 28.04 transferred to the operational subordination of the commander of the 3rd UA
    On April 29, 38 SK during the night made the transition to the Pankov area and, by the end of the day, fired. That is, I did not go into attacks.
    April 30 - fought a little
    On May 1, 38 SK did not advance anywhere during the day and, by the end of the day, was fighting at the same line.
    On May 2, the 38th SK part of the forces of the 52nd Guards SD led the battle with small enemy infantry groups. The remaining parts of 38 ck apparently did not fight.
    
    3. The fact that no one smashed the garrison in the Humboldt-Hain park - even Genesis has already agreed with this. His trick now is that the 89th SD allegedly “blockaded” the northern fortress in the park.
    
    4. No information has been provided by any of the Armenians that the Order of Kutuzov, II degree, was awarded to the 89th Division for the battles in Berlin (even by Genesis, although he tried and is probably still trying to find at least something confirming this)! !! According to my logical conclusions, the 89th SD received its order for the previous operation.
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16 May 2018 08: 44

Quote: genisis
Stop polluting the airwaves with your cranberries
Here is your comment earlier about Magnit
The Magnit network received land plots throughout Russia at such “competitive prices” that the Accounts Chamber still has 10 more to sort out. Plus almost immunity from the actions of a number of supervisory authorities.

Now you are posting some nonsense about unfinished construction, improperly built roads, and so on.
In general, you attract spreading cranberries by the ears.

Because you used the familiar term “cranberry” (well, you are one of its most important producers) to call decisions of the courts of the Russian Federation, the Prosecutor’s Office of the Russian Federation, the Antimonopoly Service of the Russian Federation and other federal or regional (municipal) executive authorities of the Russian Federation - because of this, all these decisions have not lost an ounce of their legal force.
What do not you like ?
What did I not indicate the price level?
In my opinion, it is clear to everyone that if a plot is put up for auction not for construction, then its price is cheaperthan one on which to build, especially shops. And CJSC "Tander", winning plots not intended for construction, built its stores on them. Well, I tried to build.
I showed it!!!
Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court banned the construction of the Magnit hypermarket in the park near the Colosseum in Samara
https://63.ru/text/gorod/221753494470656.html
The owner of the Magnit grocery store chain was unable to obtain a review of the case on the ban on the construction of a hypermarket at the intersection of Georgiy Dimitrova and Stara Zagora streets in Samara. The Supreme Court of the Russian Federation refused to consider the complaint of Tander CJSC.

But Magnit received a plot of land in the park from the local municipality!!!! And of course, at the price of a public garden, and not at the price of a building site.
Or do you think that Tander CJSC received a plot of lawn in a park in Samara at the price of a plot intended for construction?
Oh well !!!!

Or the decision of the Volgograd Arbitration Court in Case No. A12 - 3597/2013 “04” June 2013.
To oblige the closed joint stock company "Tander" to carry out the demolition of an unauthorized building - an unfinished building of a one-story consumer goods store, a building area of 729,6 sq.m., degree of completion 6%, located at the address: Russia, Volgograd region, Gorodishchensky district, r. P. Gorodishche, pl. 40 years of the Battle of Stalingrad, no. 5

If the construction of even a one-story building is prohibited on this site, then this site was put up for auction much cheaper than if construction on it had been permitted.

This is what the Accounts Chamber would need to sort out. Yes, apparently, they don’t get around to it. Still, compared to our other corruption problems, Magnit’s problem is not the biggest.

What's wrong ?
Maybe stop pretending to be that Armenian goalkeeper???
Or have you gotten into the role so much that this is now your role for the rest of your life?*
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16 May 2018 09: 02

Quote: TUFAN
Delirium tremens

Not at all. This is true. And this truth has a logical explanation. Armenians, mainly Crimean Armenians, were one of the main links in the Black Sea slave trade for almost 1000 years. It is known that they bought slaves wholesale from the Crimean Tatars and (or) Nogais and sold them retail in the markets of Europe, Asia and Africa.
Like any traders (and the slave trade in those days was an honorable and respected, and most importantly, profitable occupation), slave traders sought to get closer directly to the market for the production of goods. That is, they set up their trading posts on the territory of the so-called Wild Field, through which the Tatars and Nogai went on their raids on our lands of Poland or Lithuania and through which, if successful, they drove their full force. And the origins of the Crimean Tatars are rather vague. Many historians consider them to have changed their name to the Kipchaks.
It goes without saying that traders first of all learn the language of those peoples with whom they have trade relations.
This is how the Armenian slave traders learned the Old Tatar (Kipchak) language.
And there is nothing strange that many apparently preferred to express themselves in it. Including in writing. Well, there was a period in Russian history when almost all of the nobility considered it bad form to write letters to each other in their native Russian language. Only in French. Even if they didn't know him
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16 May 2018 09: 22
Quote: genisis
Your dreams are amazing, how good they are.

Oh, have they already started speaking language? Are you training?
http://x-true.info/63056-vstrecha-putina-erdogana
-i-ruhani-v-sochi-shag-k-mirovoy-voyne.html
Today we have taken a step towards world war. We didn’t start this war, we just don’t want to kneel before the West. And the union of Turkey, Russia and Iran is the only truly significant, military-political and economic foundation of the future of humanity, which is ready to challenge the West

Well, the fact that all sorts of genesis laugh is their right.
That's why they are genesis
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16 May 2018 09: 51

Quote: Pograntsov
glory to Yakutia and Evenkia

Of course, glory to Yakutia and Evenkia.
But as an educational program, I’m posting a list especially for you the best snipers of the Red Army.
Mikhail Ilyich Surkov (4th rifle division) 702 fascists. Russian
Vladimir Gavrilovich Salbiev (71 GvSD and 95 GVSD) - 601 fascists. Ossetian
Vasily Shalvovich Kvachantiradze (259 rifle regiment) 534 fascists and 1 gun. Georgian
Akhat Abdulkhakovich Akhmetyanov (260 SP) - 502 fascists. Bashkir.
Ivan Mikhailovich Sidorenko (1122nd regiment) ~500 fascists and 1 tank, 3 tractors. Russian.
Nikolai Yakovlevich Ilyin (50 Guards Regiment) 494 fascists. Russian.
Pyotr Alekseevich Goncharov (44th Guards Regiment) 441 fascists. Russian.
Mikhail Ivanovich Budenkov (59 Guards Regiment) 427 fascists, in addition ~100 with a machine gun. Russian.
Fedor Matveevich Okhlopkov (1243; 234; 259 r.p.) 429 fascists. Russian.
Fedor Trofimovich Dyachenko (187th regiment) 425 fascists. Ukrainian.
Afanasy Emelyanovich Gordienko (159th rifle division) 425 fascists. Russian. Born in 1898 in the city of Samarkand (Uzbekistan).
Vasily Ivanovich Golosov (81st Guards Regiment) 422 fascists, including 70 snipers. Russian.
Stepan Vasilyevich Petrenko (59 Guards Regiment) 422 fascists, including 12 snipers. Ukrainian.
Nikolai Ivanovich Galushkin (50 years old) 418 fascists, including 17 snipers. Russian.
Kuzma Danilovich Smolensky (259 rifle regiment) 414 fascists. Russian. Although he was born in the Kyiv province.
Tuleugali Nasyrkhanovich Abdybekov (8th Guards SD) 397 fascists. Kazakh.
Semyon Danilovich Nomokonov 367 fascists, including one general. Evenk-hamnigan
Ivan Petrovich Antonov (160th detachment) 362 fascists. Russian.
Gennady Iosifovich Velichko (1008 rifle regiment) 360 fascists. Byelorussian.
Ivan Grigorievich Kalashnikov (1st Guards Artillery Regiment) 350 fascists. Russian.
Alexander Alekseevich Govorukhin (296 rifle regiment) 349 fascists. Russian.
Abukhazhi Idrisov (1232 regiments) 349 fascists. Chechen.
Philip Yakovlevich Rubakho (393 separate battalion marine infantry) 346 fascists, 1 tank, 8 bunkers Russian.
Leonid Vladimirovich Butkevich (1331st regiment) 345 fascists, including 22 machine gun crews. Byelorussian.

Don’t you think that things are somehow not very good with the Yakuts, huh?
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16 May 2018 09: 57

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I have already written that for me any form of xenophobia (Armenophobia, Russophobia, anti-Semitism, etc.) is first of all a phobia (disease/fear).

What about what I said? What about pseudocephobia?
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  16 May 2018 18: 02
  
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  Well, quickly, the place where I supposedly said that I
  
  Do you really need to be poked with your nose several times? I’ve already quoted your phrase above, but I’ll do it again:
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  Karen, sometimes it seems to me that he has something deeply personal connected with the Armenians))
  Exactly what is personal. To the depths of my soul, I personally hate those who are trying to solve their problems (for example, to attach to themselves a certain slide located in a neighboring country) at our expense. Moreover, due to both our finances and due to our blood. Sorry, but in this your desire to solve your problems at our expense you are unique. There are no more. Stop solving your problems at the expense of my country and there will be no problems.
  
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  Now let's quickly apologize for
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  Brutus is a liar
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    18 May 2018 11: 36
    
    For what ?
    For this??
    
    Exactly what is personal. To the depths of my soul, I personally hate those who are trying to solve their problems (for example, to attach to themselves a certain slide located in a neighboring country) at our expense. Moreover, due to both our finances and due to our blood. Sorry, but in this your desire to solve your problems at our expense you are unique. There are no more. Stop solving your problems at the expense of my country and there will be no problems.
    
    Has it ever occurred to you that I am not describing the Armenians, but the state policy of your country? It is to this, to your state policy, that I have huge complaints.
    And with you everything is at some primitive tribal or, let’s say, childish sand level. Remind you how you previously competed in "wit" on the topic:
    - it’s personal for him, because the Armenians took his girl away
    - this is personal for him, because the Armenians raped his wife
    - This is personal for him, because the Armenians offended him in some other way.
    Therefore, I tried to explain to you, on a level that was accessible (as I thought) to you, what exactly my “personal” dislike was.
    But alas, it turned out that I had a better opinion of you than I should have. Since only the overweight (I will not break the rules and indicate which of the “overweight” ones...) can consider my personal attitude towards your state policy to be my personal attitude towards the Armenians.
    
    Leave my country alone, stop imposing yourself on us as “friends” and “allies”, especially since you are simply fulfilling the task set by the United States - and I will not have any complaints against you. A certain number of Armenians may even remain and continue to live in Russia.
    But let the bulk of you carry out the call of your new Prime Minister: “Thank you to Russia, but it’s time to go home.”
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      18 May 2018 13: 52
      
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      For what ?
      
      You're all squirming and trying to distort...
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      For this??
      Exactly what is personal. To the depths of my soul, I personally hate those who are trying to solve their problems (for example, to attach to themselves a certain slide located in a neighboring country) at our expense. Moreover, due to both our finances and due to our blood. Sorry, but in this your desire to solve your problems at our expense you are unique. There are no more. Stop solving your problems at the expense of my country and there will be no problems.
      
      NO. Not because of this. I have already written about my attitude towards hatred of peoples/nationalities - this is a disease, and I am deeply violet whether you hate Armenians or not.
      And I have to apologize for this:
      
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18 May 2018 11: 19

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Damn... we have already surpassed the Jews... a small article about Armenia and more than 300 comments per day

So you are the only ones who are literally forced into our “allies”. At the same time, you impudently demand that we not remind you about the shooting of Lieutenant Shapovalov’s group by Armenian military personnel in July 1992, for which you have not been able to apologize for more than 25 years. More precisely, you can, of course, you don’t want to.
So, what did you want?
We have the right to examine such “allies” not just under a magnifying glass... under an electron microscope!!!
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18 May 2018 11: 42

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that Galitsky made a huge contribution to the development of sports in the Krasnodar region.

Did I say anything that this is not so?
I think I even gave you examples of this. That in Russia a huge number of churches were built or restored with money donated by swindlers, thieves, bandits and other individuals who circumvent the Law in one way or another.
What's wrong again ?
Oh yes, where are you and where is the LOGIC!!!!
You are standing too far away from each other.
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18 May 2018 16: 17

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By the way, in all your spreading cranberries about Armenian merchants, there was still no refutation of the fact that Galitsky did more for sports in Russia and the Krasnodar region than the entire Government of the Russian Federation.

By the way, why are you actually clinging to Galitsky?
I mentioned him generally only as an example, without any derogatory meaning. You can say that I mentioned it solely in support of your 38%
It’s not clear why you once again went crazy and you got stuck, “Oh, Galitsky, oh Galitsky, oh, recognize his merits in the field of sports”... Although let me remind you, it was not about sports, but about economics.
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38% of the treasury of the Krasnodar Territory consists of the contribution of Armenians.

Well, yes, Galitsky alone, whose maiden name is Harutyunyan, with his network of Magnets is worth something. (Well, what’s wrong or offensive here? He had nothing to do with the Magnit network? The network’s capitalization is small and worth little? What didn’t you like???).

And something, for example, I have never heard such phrases, such as "A brigade of Armenian miners gave out on the mountain so many thousand tons of coal above the plan" or "A brigade of Armenian grain growers threshed so many tons of grain above the plan" or "A brigade of metallurgists- Armenians smelted so many tons of pig iron in excess of the plan. "
Armenians “work” mostly in the sphere of trade and the provision of household and hotel services. That is, they privatized our land, built kebab houses, cheburechka houses, guest houses, and so on on it. And if you consider that in this business only one ruble out of five is visible to the tax authorities, I believe that the real percentage of Armenians covering the trade and household turnover of the Krasnodar Territory is much higher than the shown 38%.
Now let's look at the demographic composition of the Region. It turns out that Armenians make up only 5,4% of the population. And these 5,4% have already concentrated in their hands 38% of the trade and household turnover of the Krasnodar Territory. And this is only official. Gentlemen, Armenians, what number are you going to stop at? On reaching 50%? On reaching 75%? Having reached 100%? And with these achievements are you going to win our boundless love and respect for you? Have you confused us with anyone? It is you who can win respect from Azerbaijanis, Uzbeks or Georgians. But Russian people, in general, never respected merchants. Just look at our Russian folk sayings and proverbs about merchants and traders.

Sirs, Armenians, what, history has not taught you anything?

There is (was, died not so long ago) a famous Armenian historian, professor at a number of American universities (lived in America) John Kirakosyan. He wrote a most interesting work; “The Young Turks before the Judgment of History” in which he ran over the Turks (Young Turks) like a tank, but at the same time gave a lot of interesting information. For example. “Constituting 20% of the 25-10 million population of the Turkish Empire, the Armenians concentrated in their hands 60% of import and 40% of export trade, as well as 80% of domestic trade.” He is talking about the situation before the First World War. That is, about 1912 -1913. John Kirakossian, having the same huckster mentality as the rest of the Armenians, does not even understand the effect these numbers have on people with a non-huckster mentality. For example, it becomes clear to me why the Turks accumulated so much hostility towards the Armenians before the First World War. Where does the love for the Armenians come from among the Turks, if 80% of all domestic trade (and this includes bazaar trade) is in the hands of Armenians in Turkey! But besides the Armenians, there were Greeks and Jews in Turkey who were no less inclined to trade.

Or did you just have a desire to cling to something, but not finding anything that could be challenged, you decided to get to the bottom of me, why I don’t praise Galitsky (Harutyunyan) as a sports figure???
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18 May 2018 16: 19

Amendment. Sorry, there is a Yakut.
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Fedor Matveevich Okhlopkov (1243; 234; 259 r.p.) 429 fascists. Russian.

Amendment.
Fedor Matveevich Okhlopkov (1243; 234; 259 r.p.) 429 fascists. Yakut..

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