Does not correspond to the fifth generation. India withdraws from FGFA

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The Indian Air Force officially withdrew from the FGFA (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft) program, under which it was planned to work with Russia to develop a fifth generation combat aircraft based on the Su-57, reports "Warspot" with reference to janes.com.

In October last year, the Indian Air Force Command demanded the closure of the FGFA. In early April of this year, representatives of the Indian Ministry of Defense made an official trip to Russia - one of the topics discussed was India’s withdrawal from the program.



Does not correspond to the fifth generation. India withdraws from FGFA


The Indian Air Force believes that the Russian Su-57 does not meet the stated secrecy requirements. In addition, the Indian side believes that combat avionics, radar and sensors of Russian design do not meet the standards of the fifth generation. At the same time, the Indian military declare that they may later reconsider their plans for the FGFA program, or they will be purchasing production samples of the Su-57 if the characteristics of its final version meet the requirements of the Indian Defense Ministry.

The FGFA program was launched in 2007, its main contractors were PJSC Company Sukhoi from the Russian side and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd from the Indian side. The countries agreed to create a fifth-generation fighter based on the Russian PAK FA, also known as the T-50 and later renamed the Su-57. A few years later, the FGFA program changed its name to Perspective Multi-Role Fighter (PMF), but even in the Indian Air Force it is still called. As part of the first phase of the program, worth $ 295 million, the design of the Indian fighter was developed, but then the FGFA project did not advance because of the many differences that arose between the parties.
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  1. Victoria-V
    Victoria-V
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    April 22 2018 17: 09
    Once again for slow-witted experts: Chief editor of the Arms Export magazine Andrei Frolov: The F-35 is a production aircraft. The J-20 is pre-production, and the T-50 is at the development stage. Maybe it’s enough to come up with all sorts of fables here?
  2. Mih1974 Rank
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    April 22 2018 17: 10
    Aleks2048,
    Reading you about “high-quality service” and “wild brats” I remembered the Finns - for some time they had our military equipment, like airplanes (there seemed to be a murky scheme to pay off the debt of the USSR), so these “dates”, having seen enough of our repairmen, got used to shuffling here and there spare parts from one aircraft to another. It’s clear that our aviation was designed for just such “mockery” and everything was more or less good, but then an incident happened - they gave them mattresses with their old EFKs (either 15 or 16). Well, “dates”, out of habit, let’s “repair” them using the same method lol Well, the “super civilized” NATO aviation could not stand such a violation of the rules and instructions and “suddenly died” on the ground. laughing .
    What I mean is that the Indians even manage to ruin our equipment in unimaginable quantities, and despite its “moronic resistance”, I don’t even dare to judge the nightmarish consequences for fragile Western aircraft from the playful paws of the Indians belay No. . Especially considering that the same Fu 35 is still not a gift, at least it’s not struggling yet, but the Fu-35 has only one engine and ruining it with a “sensitive” Indian attitude is twice as fast.
    1. voyaka uh Rank
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      April 22 2018 22: 24
      You gave interesting examples about the Finns and Soviet and American technology.
      It becomes clearer why Indians are switching to Western technology. Like the Finns and everyone
      the rest who don’t want to shuffle spare parts like in the 19th century.
      1. Conserp Rank
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        April 24 2018 11: 38
        Funny one.

        Here, raise your level of education from the baseboard level.
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Взаимозаменяемость
        http://cherch.ru/osnovi_vzaimozamenyaemosti/
  3. Victoria-V
    Victoria-V
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    April 22 2018 17: 10
    Today, the cost of one Su-57 within the framework of the FGFA project is estimated at $100 million. Lockheed Martin will reduce the cost of the fifth-generation F-35 fighters to $85 million already in 2019, in the 11th batch, which should reach 200 units.
  4. floyder Rank
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    April 22 2018 17: 13
    Indians have ALWAYS been known for their ability to BARGAIN! Blackmail is also their strong point. Like, let's buy an American F-35. But the main task of India is to GET TECHNOLOGY! Surely this is what blackmail consists of. Americans don't either. They propose to produce the F-16 in India. But any cunning (read - smart-ass) runs into... Big bucks.
  5. tun5t
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    April 22 2018 17: 43
    The Hindus of Amers were allowed to go where they should not, they meet with kurbashi-shaving, maybe you can open your eyes ?! (Dullness goes off scale, not without reason at one time Peter 1 removed the capital, away from sin
    1. tun5t
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      April 22 2018 18: 01
      And about the mistake of the Kyiv princes who built Moscow, Piglet-Shenko aptly noted. Trolling of the highest hokhlyad level, laughed for half a day - now it’s clear where Muscovites got such an understanding, straight Kyiv brains... laughing Yes laughing
  6. mss001 Rank
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    April 22 2018 18: 00
    Apparently, the Indians stole from us all the technologies they needed for the independent production of the apparatus and broke the contract. He doesn’t need them anymore. Plus, they will now sell our secrets FOR EXPENSELY to the Americans and Chinese. So again the Russians remained in the fools.
  7. reminin Rank
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    April 22 2018 18: 42
    Old lady Vanga believed that the union of three states would change the world order for the better. The first is Russia, the second will be China, and the third... will never be India.
    Everything is heading towards the fact that this will be a triple alliance of the strongest countries: Russia, China and Iran.
  8. Thompson Rank
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    April 22 2018 20: 10
    Why are they so advanced if they don’t do it themselves???
    Crying is not moving bags!
  9. Snakebyte Rank
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    April 22 2018 20: 32
    Quote: Hire
    Otherwise it’s painful to watch: he seems Russian, but such a primitive schmuck...

    Don't you look in the mirror...
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  11. Abel Rank
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    April 22 2018 23: 45
    Indians are bargaining. They need not only airplanes, but also technology for the same money. What is an airplane for? Defend your sky. It turns out that Indians need invisibility, apparently in order to disappear in time. Well, who should go, and who should have checkers?
  12. gippernano Rank
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    April 23 2018 06: 54
    Good news. I've been waiting for her for so many years, and I thought I couldn't wait. Handsome Indians!!!
  13. ZVO Rank
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    April 23 2018 10: 27
    Quote: Mih1974
    the first storm in the desert, when the Americans won not by “filling them with corpses”, but precisely at the Layered Reconnaissance Complex, identified targets using electronic warfare and the crews launched a simultaneous strike on all key air defense points,


    And I thought. that they destroyed the air defense with single Apaches, and destroyed it piece by piece for 2 weeks.
    By knocking out: where is the radar, where is the control center, where is the Communications Center, where is the substation - in the end they destroyed the entire air defense structure.
  14. Gray Wolf Rank
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    April 23 2018 12: 48
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    Company


    All these fuss and fuss are connected with the fact that the Indians want to get technology (not an airplane!!!) and a full production cycle of a high-tech airplane along with the production of high-tech engines.
    But this doesn’t happen... We are not ready to make such gifts, because these technologies have been developed on bones and blood...
  15. Victor Alexandrov
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    April 23 2018 20: 28
    35, 57 - that's all 4++++++++++++++++++++
  16. Anatoly R Rank
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    April 23 2018 20: 51
    Quote: Livonetc
    Let them then buy ready-made Russian vehicles.

    Parasites are cunning. The price is being reduced. Well, never mind, they have a chance to buy French or American ones that are five times more expensive.
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  18. Yarhann Rank
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    April 23 2018 22: 07
    the Indians had to roll away the Swedes with their Gripen - the plane just corresponds to the material and technical level of the Indian army. and with the money saved we would agree with the Swedes to organize assembly and partially localize production. And so let them move on - no one will sell them advanced technologies. The planes will be sold, but at a high price, especially considering the complexity of maintenance, they will turn out golden for India, and there are big doubts about the combat readiness of such advanced equipment in the hands of the Indians - they have difficulty keeping Soviet and Soviet aircraft in combat-ready condition, and then they constantly fall down.
  19. Mstivoy Rank
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    April 23 2018 22: 46
    Solidarity with the Indians! You shouldn’t buy a Su 57, they (the Indians) can make a 6th generation plane themselves, they’re not some kind of Balts, but an ancient civilization, after all, in ancient times India had Vimana aircraft, and they will make them now...
  20. tracer Rank
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    April 23 2018 23: 10
    Vimanas are an order of magnitude better... they fly “as they want.” But Russia doesn’t produce those. Besides, the Indians can destroy anything. Be it the fifth or tenth generation...
  21. Wowander Rank
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    April 24 2018 09: 58
    It looks like someone in the Indian Ministry of Defense was bought by NATO. They are promoting their equipment, they will buy F35.
  22. 3danimal
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    April 24 2018 12: 22
    And I noticed that when discussing 5th generation aircraft, “Russian researchers, for example Pogosyan, Lagarkov, A. N. Davidenko (chief designer of the Su-57 aircraft) gave an estimate of the EPR for the F-22 within 0,3 sq. m. " , indicating that the EPR of our Su-57 approximately corresponds to it.
    But “foreign experts (Aviation Week & Space Technology, GlobalSecurity.org), citing Lockheed Martin, indicated the F-22 ESR value at 0.0001-0.0002 sq. m.”
    And against the backdrop of the Indians’ statement, a version appears that the most important stealth parameter, the EPR, of the Raptor was deliberately overestimated by “researchers” who have a direct interest in hiding the shortcomings of the project. So that against the backdrop of the American's EPR increased 1000 times (!), a similar parameter of the brainchild of Pogosyan and Co. does not look too pale.
    1. Conserp Rank
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      April 24 2018 13: 53
      Quote: 3danimal
      But “foreign experts (Aviation Week & Space Technology, GlobalSecurity.org), citing Lockheed Martin, indicated the F-22 ESR value at 0.0001-0.0002 sq. m.”

      The problem is that this is a well-known fake.

      Moreover, it is a fake, obvious to anyone who did not skip classes at school and whose mother did not drink during pregnancy.

      Simply due to the fact that the ESR of a stealthy small-sized cruise missile without a radar, cockpit and airborne radar cannot be 1000 times greater than the ESR of an aircraft, which is 100 times larger and has all this.

      The story is this - a man said that the EPR of the F-22 and F-35 are related like the sizes of a ball and a ball - we are talking about relative sizes, yes. And one particular magazine writer inserted the real dimensions of the ball and ball into the EPR formula. It is these figures - the magazine's, and not Lockheed's - that were replicated by idiots, trolls and propagandists and are still being repeated by them.

      But it's all God's dew. Blessed is he who believes, yes.
  23. 3danimal
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    April 24 2018 22: 48
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The front EPR of the Su-57 is small. Suitable for oncoming approach.

    I don't agree. Please note that the Su-57 does not have S-shaped air intakes, the photo from the front shows open turbine blades. They significantly increase the aircraft's EPR from the front.
  24. 3danimal
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    April 24 2018 22: 56
    Quote: AlexYa
    The geldings' arms grow out of their asses, they can even twist parts.

    Then what do they export for $2,3 trillion a year? We can compare the production of robotic machines in the USA and the Russian Federation. O - objectivity.
  25. 3danimal
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    April 24 2018 23: 08
    Quote: Conserp
    Simply due to the fact that the ESR of a stealthy small-sized cruise missile without a radar, cockpit and airborne radar cannot be 1000 times greater than the ESR of an aircraft, which is 100 times larger and has all this.

    Then name the specific model of the rocket and its EPR.
    Lockheed representatives spoke specifically about the EPR of the alabaster ball when the F-35 was still little discussed.
    I appreciated the attempt to say “there are only 2 opinions: mine and the stupid one”)
    I note that any attentive person with some knowledge, seeing photos of the 22nd and 57th, will say that the frontal EPR of the latter is much higher. I'm sure you know why)
  26. 3danimal
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    April 25 2018 00: 03
    Quote: the most important
    Very low numbers for Russia.

    Compare the military (and general) budgets of the Russian Federation and the United States and leave the world of dreams.
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  28. tank64rus Rank
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    April 25 2018 18: 45
    If they don’t want to, they don’t have to, we’ll do without the capricious ones.
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  30. 3danimal
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    April 28 2018 17: 13
    Quote: tank64rus
    let's do without the capricious ones

    We will get by, but at the cost of reducing the production of uber-planes for ourselves. This is what the Indians were invited to do - to sell them additional planes at a higher price, in order to use this money to make additional cars.