All on the Maidan: we will talk about the return of the "minuses"!

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Looking for cons in the comments on BO?

Yes, we need - 2333 (77.84%)
77.84%
No, not needed - 315 (10.51%)
10.51%
I don't care - 349 (11.64%)
11.64%
So, Tillerson was removed, with which I congratulate everyone. Our little take. What, where, and most importantly - why does she take all this, let's talk a little later.



That is why, and not at all on the eve of the upcoming elections in our country, we decided, publicly, as it should be, on a virtual Maidan, to discuss such a pressing issue as RETURN OF MINUSES to the comments!

For those who have recently joined our community, we explain: earlier, in the good old days, readers could influence the rating of their colleagues by setting ratings of “+” or “-” to each specific comment. And so it went on for a very long time. While some of the readers did not begin to unite in organized communities, strenuously "minus" all the unwanted.

Thus, people whose point of view was different from the generally accepted one were deprived of the opportunity to express their opinions on the site altogether. So it was instituted that the “black-billed” commentators were significantly limited in their freedom of expression in the quantitative aspect.

And in the end, it all came to the conclusion that the administration decided to remove the possibility of negative ratings.

However, going to meet the continuing statements about the need for negative ratings of comments, the administration decided to conduct a study of public opinion on whether it should be done or not.

In the new projectReporter»This feature is already implemented and enabled.

True, there are no beautiful epaulets, “Reporter” is a civilian project and less official.

Speaking about the return of the "minuses" to the "Military Review", it is immediately worth warning that this will take some time. Since not only the appearance has been changed, but also the internal “filling”, it will take time to “screw” the minuses.

But, approximately in a couple of months, if the public votes "for" the return of the "minuses", the implementation of this functionality is possible.

We vote, dear, on the site is not necessary to drag!

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  2. NKT Rank
    NKT
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    17 March 2018 00: 28
    The site administrators don’t want to introduce an award system: medals and orders? wink

    Add a button to the comment - presentation, and then, depending on the rank, the type of order and medal. Then there is a vote for an order or medal; when certain points are collected that correspond to the status of the order or medal, they appear. You can also deprive of awards and titles.

    P.S. I wonder if the title of Generalissimo is provided for?
  3. Kelwin Rank
    Kelwin
    +3
    17 March 2018 00: 30
    This suggestion is to make a downvote only if there is a comment; if you want to downvote, tell me what’s wrong and get feedback. Thus, the indicated problem with the spread of oppression of individual opinions will be much less. How do you like this option?
  4. PVL176 Rank
    PVL176
    +1
    17 March 2018 00: 39
    The proposal to return the minuses brings to mind one well-known expression, in which there is a grain of joke: “this has never happened before, and here it is again”
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  6. TsUS-Air Force Rank
    TsUS-Air Force
    0
    17 March 2018 00: 56
    return the minuses, with the possibility for the moderator to keep track of who put how many minuses, and when it becomes clear that the same ones are minus everyone in a row, then let the moderator deal with them!
  7. Alexander War Rank
    Alexander War
    +2
    17 March 2018 00: 57
    Yes, and it was when the Jews added to their own, grew by leaps and bounds laughing
  8. mashinist Rank
    mashinist
    +1
    17 March 2018 01: 27
    “It was customary that “black-shouldered” commentators were significantly limited in their freedom of expression in a quantitative sense.
    And in the end, everything came to the point that the administration decided to remove the possibility of issuing negative ratings."
    From you drive how could you think that such actions could help! you are separating yourself from the black-shouldered ones, and they are also part of society and you must take them into account
  9. Grigory_45 Rank
    Grigory_45
    +5
    17 March 2018 01: 45
    So far, some readers have not begun to unite in organized communities, intensely "minus" all those who are objectionable.

    In principle, the Administration itself said everything. I have repeatedly encountered such nonsense when “undesirable” and “wrong” opinions are simply thrown down with minuses. According to the “ostrich principle” - they say, if we don’t see it, it means it doesn’t exist. Bias and restrictions on freedom of speech are obvious.
    If they introduce disadvantages, they will simply lose part of the audience, and the most interesting one - one who thinks and is not afraid to express their opinion, even when it goes against the opinion of the “ceremonial” majority.
    I wouldn’t be at all upset if the pluses were removed. Smart people come to communicate, share, learn something new (including having debates in the comments), and not for “likes”. Only children of pre-retirement age come for them
  10. Okolotochny Rank
    Okolotochny
    +1
    17 March 2018 01: 51
    Mordvin 3,

    Gridasov seems to be trying to promote his ideas.
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  12. Seraphimamur Rank
    Seraphimamur
    +3
    17 March 2018 03: 46
    Why should a person put a “plus” if he disagrees with the statement.
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  16. Grits Rank
    Grits
    0
    17 March 2018 05: 12
    lis-ik,
    Poor Professor. Black epaulets are guaranteed to him
  17. tasha Rank
    tasha
    +3
    17 March 2018 05: 35
    Before returning the minuses, I still suggest that the site administration organize a voting system. Some articles, especially news ones, do not need comments. It is enough to indicate several possible options - Bad news, good news, Neutral news or points within the meaning of the article. Often, useful and necessary information is lost among “empty” comments.

    I also ask you to strengthen the work of the moderators, because other comments cause bad reflexes when read.

    Regarding the disadvantages, I suggest using the method of one of the popular sites. For each minus, the user's rating decreases. This way there will be at least some responsibility for your negative assessment. Frankly provocative comments can be deleted by a moderator; it is enough to justifiably complain.
  18. sleeve Rank
    sleeve
    0
    17 March 2018 05: 53
    Negative idea. You cannot whittle a trolling club with your own hands. So the level of discussion and rhetoric is not so hot. I have a negative attitude. It is enough to highlight the positive aspect and okay.
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    1. d ^ Amir Rank
      d ^ Amir
      +1
      17 March 2018 11: 23
      Maybe!!! There can be a normal constructive dialogue here!!! and it is possible to prove your point of view if your opponent is at least mentally adequate....
    2. region58 Rank
      region58
      0
      17 March 2018 23: 35
      Quote: Domozgarussky
      Here, in principle, there can be no normal dialogue between opponents!

      Read articles and comments from four, five, six years ago. You will be very surprised.
      Quote: d ^ Amir
      There can be a normal constructive dialogue here!!!
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  21. Petrix Rank
    Petrix
    0
    17 March 2018 06: 38
    You can make a "dynamic" rating. Those. over some time, a large plus or minus tends to zero. After all, nothing prevents the “marshal” from deteriorating and the “skull” from improving.
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  23. savage1976 Rank
    savage1976
    +2
    17 March 2018 07: 25
    Downvotes are necessary, but limiting the functionality of downvoted users is wrong.
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  25. nsws3 Rank
    nsws3
    +2
    17 March 2018 08: 01
    Now we need to treat people more gently and look at questions more broadly!!! (Operation Y")
  26. kalibr Rank
    kalibr
    +6
    17 March 2018 08: 08
    There are always more fools and ignoramuses than smart and adequate ones. Blind, deaf, and simply illiterate people will wholeheartedly criticize those who differ from their wretched opinion. “Unanimity” is the worst evil of human society.
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      1. kalibr Rank
        kalibr
        +2
        17 March 2018 12: 48
        This is what’s sad. If the site here weren’t anonymous, I wouldn’t have anything against the minuses. Well, a person doesn’t like it... He has the right! Love and hate. Complete! But... you go to the profile, and there is a junior scooper of a sewage train or a doctor of historical sciences. The disadvantages are the same. THEIR WEIGHT IS DIFFERENT!!!
        1. OAV09081974 Rank
          OAV09081974
          +16
          18 March 2018 18: 06
          I absolutely agree with Vyacheslav Olegovich
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  28. Strashila Rank
    Strashila
    0
    17 March 2018 08: 27
    Actually, the site was created for discussions and discussions... the meaning of the minuses is without explanation, I do not agree with the opponent... write your comment, state your vision and justification, if what is written is supported by others, you will earn pluses.
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  30. Monster_Fat Rank
    Monster_Fat
    +1
    17 March 2018 08: 33
    I voted for the return of the "minuses" even though I will constantly be "downvoted" simply for one "irritable" "flag"...
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  32. alstr Rank
    alstr
    0
    17 March 2018 08: 51
    I propose to add another rating with minuses - “neither fish nor fowl”, i.e. zero. Post if the topic is indifferent or not relevant to VO.
  33. Aleksandr21 Rank
    Aleksandr21
    +4
    17 March 2018 08: 55
    I saw the times when the site still had pros/cons for comments. For example, a news/article appears, in the forefront of commentators are our cheering patriots, in which in one or two sentences they tell us how cool we are, well done and we will kill everyone with sabers (figuratively of course) and the rating for such comments was prohibitive 50-60 pluses for slogans and patriotism could easily be obtained, and below alternative points of view were expressed which were essentially correct, but they were deliberately driven into the minus by jingoistic patriots, without explanation.... that’s what happened, and a lot of people (including newcomers) just left the site, since there could only be one correct point of view - the opinion of the crowd. If there are minuses now, then you need to first change the comment rating system, otherwise it will turn out that only cheering patriots will remain here, and everyone else will simply be squeezed out, and there will be no interesting discussions, no discussion of articles, but there will simply be only slogans and patriotism.

    P.S. I have nothing bad against patriotism, but when you read a lot of the same type of comments that don’t relate to the topic of discussion at all, you get bored and want to read a comment expressing your point of view on the topic of the article.
  34. Shahno Rank
    Shahno
    +2
    17 March 2018 09: 01
    But it doesn’t matter to me - minuses, pluses, you can compl. numbers for advanced. Everyone has fun as best they can. Well, a sea battle, a sea battle.
  35. Icarus Rank
    Icarus
    +2
    17 March 2018 09: 08
    Quote: freddyk
    How objective it is if we only see how many people agree with you. And how many disagreements we don’t see

    The majority opinion is not a criterion of objectivity. If our goal is to allow everyone to express their opinion and comment on the topic under discussion from different points of view, then there is no need for cons. And if everyone has the same brush - the comb of the majority - then the flag is in your hands.
  36. dzvero Rank
    dzvero
    +3
    17 March 2018 09: 10
    Cons are needed, but only justified by comments, i.e. no comment, you can't downvote.
    The reduction in rating by a minus can be made the same, despite the “title” of the minus, for example. 10 units.
    Introducing skulls is not fun; It’s better to assign titles and shoulder straps to those who left “to the left of zero,” for example. Austro-Hungarian Army or even a probable partner smile
    Another is to limit the number of replies to a comment if possible. Otherwise, the first comment receives 100500 replies, often uninformative, and it’s difficult to read further in the thread. Or, as an option, the newest comments are at the top, the first ones are at the bottom.
    Yes, and if possible, do not delete comments - forum users should know their heroes. For example, you can reduce the text (to 2 or 4 points) - it doesn’t seem to be visible, but you can read it if you really want to.
    1. d ^ Amir Rank
      d ^ Amir
      +2
      17 March 2018 11: 18
      Yes, an extremely reasonable remark!!!! no comment, no rating... I wonder if the moderators will hear...
  37. RUSS Rank
    RUSS
    0
    17 March 2018 09: 15
    I am for the "cons" I am very often downvoted because I am not in trend on this forum laughing , BUT a large number of minuses, on the contrary, attracts more attention to my comments and, accordingly, they are read more, etc.! So I'm for the cons!
    1. Conserp Rank
      Conserp
      0
      17 March 2018 09: 28
      Stop tirelessly replicating rabid Nazi propaganda - and you will be “in trend.”
  38. Civilian Rank
    Civilian
    +2
    17 March 2018 09: 48
    I have no strength to read 600 comments. So excuse me if I repeat anyone.
    I don't understand what the problem is? There is a plus, next to a minus. That's all. There is no need to connect anything with the rating or anything else. The comment should remain in its place, in the order it was received. I blurted out something, and you can see how the community took it. I’m new here, and somehow I immediately felt that there was not enough “minus”. The main thing is that the number of minuses and pluses should not in any way affect the rating and the opportunity to speak out. They crammed 100 minuses into his brow, so let him sit where he was and think about life.))
  39. Grim Reaper Rank
    Grim Reaper
    +4
    17 March 2018 09: 56
    Cons are needed to assess the general mood on an issue/person. But it’s definitely not worth sending them to a ban. As in the rights to limit. And, of course, the “cost” of a minus-plus should not depend on the rank. Otherwise it turns out about Jupiter and the bull, well almost.
  40. tasha Rank
    tasha
    +4
    17 March 2018 09: 59
    There is another wish for the future to the site administration. Often there is no desire to respond to this or that comment addressed to you. It might make sense to mark “Read” on a comment that is a response to your own. In order not to write too much...
    1. Civilian Rank
      Civilian
      +2
      17 March 2018 10: 26
      Agree. A “polite” way out of the conversation is needed. So that there is no later “merged, chickened out, ran away”))
      The “edit-delete” system works very crookedly, just from the word “very much”! Complete...))
    2. d ^ Amir Rank
      d ^ Amir
      +2
      17 March 2018 11: 16
      yes... the "Read" mark is a very good option!!!
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    1. Conserp Rank
      Conserp
      +1
      17 March 2018 10: 20
      By “different opinion” do you mean idiotic (in 2018!) myths like “Lenin is a German spy”?

      An anti-Soviet is always a Russophobe. Russophobes will always be disliked in Russia.
      1. Weyland Rank
        Weyland
        +1
        17 March 2018 20: 23
        Quote: Conserp
        The anti-Soviet is always Russophobe.

        Taking into account Lenin's nationality am , Trotsky am and others like them, an anti-Soviet is always a Judeophobe, but certainly not a Russophobe!
    2. tatra Rank
      tatra
      0
      17 March 2018 13: 48
      If this is banter, then it’s unfortunate. It was the Putinoids who created exactly the same site - Politicus, where there is only the opinion of the “party and the government”, and not the slightest dissent is allowed - there are immediately a bunch of minuses, the comment is closed, or you are banned.
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    1. Vadmir Rank
      Vadmir
      +1
      17 March 2018 20: 12
      Usually bad people are more organized.
      You have some kind of American logic, everyone who does not agree with your personal opinion is the “bad guys” from the “evil empire”.
      unanimity is not interesting to anyone, including and like-minded.
      I completely agree with this, but it’s very interesting to see how your opinion is treated.
      Groups of like-minded people will be created with the aim of destroying their enemies...
      But this can indeed be dangerous, but it is possible to implement the rating mechanism in such a way that such a possibility will be excluded. I am writing as a programmer who has made many websites - the main thing here is to use your brain and calculate all possible behavior algorithms for site visitors.
  43. d ^ Amir Rank
    d ^ Amir
    +3
    17 March 2018 11: 14
    The functionality of determining who exactly upvoted and who exactly downvoted is highly desirable!!! to determine the individuals who conspired!!! This will especially apply to the Sumerian people now, I feel...
    1. Boris55 Rank
      Boris55
      0
      17 March 2018 11: 25
      Quote: d ^ Amir
      The functionality of determining who exactly upvoted and who exactly downvoted is highly desirable!!! to determine the individuals who conspired!!! I feel this will especially apply to the Sumerians now..

      This is exactly what I wrote about in the comment above. The friend-foe division is moving to a new level.
      In short distances, evil always wins, but you won’t be able to play for a long time because of the eternal ban...
  44. Greenwood Rank
    Greenwood
    +2
    17 March 2018 11: 49
    My opinion is that cons are needed. Another question is that we need some criteria for selecting users who can set them. For example, allow only people with at least 200 comments to give pros and cons; registered at least six months ago; having a rating of at least 10000. The numbers can naturally vary, but in general, I think the idea is clear. In this way, it will be possible to avoid frantic upvoting and downvoting on the part of just registered one-day bots.
  45. kalibr Rank
    kalibr
    0
    17 March 2018 12: 43
    Quote: Conserp
    An anti-Soviet is always a Russophobe. Russophobes will always be disliked in Russia

    Maybe stop repeating platitudes? Go ahead and dive into your favorite scoop, but where is it? Bye bye... he got burned in 91 and you didn’t do anything to save him. They couldn’t do it then, and there’s nothing to say about it now...
    1. tatra Rank
      tatra
      +1
      17 March 2018 13: 51
      The enemies of the communists are trying to prove that they are better than the Soviet communists and their supporters by being malicious against them, and they can also defend themselves and their loved ones only by being angry against others, and by cowardly whining that they themselves always and everywhere “have nothing to do with it.”
    2. Conserp Rank
      Conserp
      0
      17 March 2018 17: 38
      Quote: kalibr
      Go take a dip in your favorite scoop


      You better be glad that there are no cons yet. Then the results of insults against more than 80% of the country’s population will become more clear.
  46. Doctor Evil Rank
    Doctor Evil
    +1
    17 March 2018 12: 52
    Whether the minuses will be returned or not, it doesn’t matter. The site will never be the same. That good old VO, where comments from professionals on articles were more interesting than the articles themselves. There are two sections left that can be read: “History” and “Armament”.
  47. Black joe Rank
    Black joe
    +2
    17 March 2018 13: 05
    Don't start with the negatives
    And with strict control to ensure that one person has no more than one nickname.
    In general, I would vote to cancel comments
    They often write in the comments the line that in huge quantities, but this still does not particularly affect traffic - articles on many sites where there are no comments still receive high visits.
    Readers read the nonsense of “specialists” - and their brains are on their sides. The article must undergo peer review by specialists (at the stage of admission to publication), and comments (and who knows who, including trolls) are only harmful.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir Rank
      Vasilenko Vladimir
      0
      17 March 2018 13: 23
      and what's this?
  48. DREDD Rank
    DREDD
    +1
    17 March 2018 13: 35
    Somehow it doesn’t matter whether there are disadvantages or not. When they were canceled, it immediately became clear that this was a privilege for site trolls and a good help in the information war against the Russians. The thing is that when a troll writes conventional nonsense, for example, his accomplices give him three pluses. Then some citizen gives him a conditional correct adequate answer and three random people give him three pluses. Some visitor, ideologically, imagines that certain “sides were divided equally,” that that same troll with nonsense on his lips was supported by 50% of site visitors.
    In general, the complete system of rating comments in ideological terms is also dangerous. For some, +, - is nothing, but, in my opinion, this is an excellent tool for managing the herd feelings of site readers. Take, for example, VO, with its supporters of the USSR and Putin’s liberals on the other. Of course, there are more of the first, but that’s it for now. What if tomorrow, out of nowhere, an ORGANIZED AND NUMEROUS liberal crowd comes running and begins to minus the “scoops”? Old-timers will roughly figure out what's going on, but their pros/cons won't be enough because... they log in at different times, some won’t log in at all, some won’t read the comments, etc. In this situation, newcomers or simply visiting readers will see the following picture: “The people” or the “site majority” are tired of the “scoops” and recommended that they go to the toilet. “Well, what am I? Shall I express my point of view?” - An ideologically unsavvy visitor thinks - “No. Look how many there are, most likely my worldview is wrong!”
    Something like that.
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    1. igor1981 Rank
      igor1981
      +1
      17 March 2018 14: 23
      Quote: Boris55
      ps. Consider resetting all achievements for everyone on the day the site launches. This will solve the problem with the dominance of marshals once and for all.


      But I agree with this, we need to do a “reboot”.
    2. a housewife Rank
      a housewife
      +1
      18 March 2018 01: 15
      Going through worthless comments and adding pluses in reserve is easier than a steamed turnip. And then discharge the accumulated disadvantages to the unwanted? Strange way out.
      1. Boris55 Rank
        Boris55
        0
        18 March 2018 07: 03
        Quote: housewife
        Going through worthless comments and adding pluses in reserve is easier than a steamed turnip. And then discharge the accumulated disadvantages to the unwanted? Strange way out.

        You can’t give yourself pluses, but they will be spent, exactly those that others give you. This will be a deterrent against thoughtlessly downvoting everyone ten times in a row and making it impossible for new people and people with a lower reputation to put downvotes left and right.
  50. rice Rank
    rice
    0
    17 March 2018 14: 15
    freddyk,
    Quote: freddyk
    And, in general, in the end, we are not speaking out here because of ratings.

    I agree with one clarification: disciplinary penalties cannot be introduced for a large number of minuses
  51. igor1981 Rank
    igor1981
    +1
    17 March 2018 14: 20
    Of course, we need to return the cons. After all, only the ratio of + and - can show how acceptable your comment is among VO visitors. Personally, it was more interesting for me before. In short, return the cons.
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  53. Curious Rank
    Curious
    0
    17 March 2018 15: 31
    The voting results showed that Pareto and Schopenhauer were right.
  54. Novichok Rank
    Novichok
    +1
    17 March 2018 16: 13
    Lord comrades!
    And please explain this moment...
    I haven't visited my account for a long time. A couple of years, maybe more. The site has changed and I could not log into my old profile. Does this mean it was deleted? I had to register again. what
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    1. Conserp Rank
      Conserp
      0
      17 March 2018 17: 28
      How revealing - yet another famous neo-Nazi is speaking out against the minuses.
  56. Vvol Rank
    Vvol
    0
    17 March 2018 17: 23
    Admins! I have no idea whether “minuses” are needed for comments, since such problems arose with this... But I know for sure that it’s worth returning “MINUSES” FOR ARTICLES! This is where democracy will be! I don’t like that the last article was downvoted - welcome to write additional explanations for the “public”! Yes If only there was democracy!) And so, perhaps, it is true that the “cons” and “pros” of commentators can degenerate into a grass-roots “internecine fight” among the scumbags...
  57. ver_ Rank
    ver_
    0
    17 March 2018 17: 26
    Quote: Orionvit
    Quote: Logall
    Put a minus for outright trolling and rudeness

    Say this, for example, to comrades with the Israeli flag. Those amicably minus everything that does not fit with their policies.

    ...changing the flag is not a problem - just one click and you change the server country..
  58. VeteranVSSSR Rank
    VeteranVSSSR
    0
    17 March 2018 17: 29
    Quote: Dali
    Quote: VeteranVSSSR
    Grown-up boys, give them pluses/minuses, they will raise/demote in rank. Shame! and that's all...

    gr.veteranussr))) ... and who taught you to hang labels ...?
    Aren't you a Byalorussian tolerant? laughing (ugh... Japanese shit... it's contagious or something...)

    My friend, yes, I am Belarusian!!! I have never given labels to anyone!!! Tolerant people in your country are tolerant of each other, and the whole WORLD is laughing, or in your opinion, laughing. And +/- is for premature babies.
    When, by order of the commandant of Moscow, General Serykh, the stripes were cut off from my shoulder straps, I still considered myself right, and after 27 days in “Alyoshinka”, well, no one could convince me. Even Makarov, the commander of the guard battalion of the commandant of Moscow
    So, you can buy a hawthorn flask and drink to your health. Amen.
  59. Bad_santa Rank
    Bad_santa
    +3
    17 March 2018 18: 49
    Before this site I was on another one. For 4 years I watched him turn from normal to yellow. There you could put both pros and cons, but for 10 cons or more the comment was hidden. Taking advantage of this, whole gangs of bots with several accounts appeared, which began to downvote comments not for their content, but for the fact that you wrote them. All this led to the fact that in the comments they stopped expressing other points of view and generally writing something smart. Everything slid into one direction, where in one day one user fell into the ecstasy of urapatriotism several times and, on another piece of news, fell into “everything is lost.” And so on in a circle. As a result, in the comments they stopped thinking about anything at all, and in order not to be completely banned, you had to write everything in the “party line” or leave
    1. Olgovich Rank
      Olgovich
      +1
      17 March 2018 19: 42
      Quote: Bad_Santa
      how he turns from normal to yellow. There you could put both pros and cons, but for 10 cons or more the comment was hidden. Taking advantage of this, whole gangs of bots with several accounts appeared, which began to downvote comments not for their content, but for the fact that you wrote them.

      Politikus?
      1. Bad_santa Rank
        Bad_santa
        +1
        17 March 2018 23: 25
        Exactly. He is now on the other pole from the censor. On this site I see how many people there are, so many opinions. And that site descended into rabid urapatriotism. Those who are undesirable are rejected by the crowd. And in my subjective opinion, when they read some comments on VO, I feel that they are written by a person who knows the topic. And there are a lot of them. So when the minuses are returned, widespread persecution of the unwanted will begin. Many will leave
  60. Vadmir Rank
    Vadmir
    0
    17 March 2018 19: 53
    Seeing the number of people who disagree with your opinion is good, but fines, blocking and deleting downvoted comments are wrong, otherwise bots will appear that can influence the course of the discussion, even overpowering the opinion of the majority. And this is manipulation of public opinion, with all the ensuing consequences. In addition, bots can work for someone’s cyber troops. Now trolls need to write something meaningful, and for this they need to know the language, at a minimum.
  61. VeteranVSSSR Rank
    VeteranVSSSR
    0
    17 March 2018 19: 55
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Bad_Santa
    how he turns from normal to yellow. There you could put both pros and cons, but for 10 cons or more the comment was hidden. Taking advantage of this, whole gangs of bots with several accounts appeared, which began to downvote comments not for their content, but for the fact that you wrote them.

    Politikus?

    Naln, iobnutosth!!!
  62. alex86 Rank
    alex86
    +2
    17 March 2018 20: 09
    I found the cons. My opinion: 1. The sum of + and - should not be indicated, but separately: both + and -. It will be seen not how the commentator was overwhelmed with minuses or pluses, but how many people support his point of view and how many do not.
    2. Each commentator must have the right to one plus or minus to one comment. The practice of “big” pluses or minuses for “marshals” has no logical basis - they are no different from other commentators.
    3. "Epaulettes", since they are so needed by the local community, must correspond to the number of comments. The moderator should have the right to ignore those comments that do not contain specific information or have abstract content (such as “Keep it up,” “We are the best,” etc.). Information about such commentators (I have a hard time imagining the internal administration mechanism of the site) can be provided by the users themselves (sorry, but the institution of “complaints” still exists).
    4. The site is characterized by high tolerance towards anti-Semitism, Great Russian chauvinism, lovers of the terms “liberal”, “tolerant”, “shitcrat”, etc. despite the fact that commentators using such terminology do not know the meaning of the words liberal, tolerance, democracy, etc. Moderators who condone this cannot be changed, but the departure from the site of people for whom such a terminological environment is unacceptable reduces the popularity of the site, and it, as I think, is incl. commercial project. Failure of some moderators to understand this fact will lead to the financial insolvency of this project.
    1. Conserp Rank
      Conserp
      +1
      17 March 2018 20: 21
      Quote: alex86
      the departure from the site of people for whom such a terminological environment is unacceptable reduces the popularity of the site

      Rather, it’s exactly the opposite - a lot of resources practically died after 2014 precisely because the administration there played “don’t offend!” in relation to liberals, tolerants, shitcrats, Haifa cronies, haters of “Great Russian chauvinism” (i.e. Banderaites) and other Russophobic-trollish abomination.

      I know well the meaning of the terms liberal, tolerance, democracy, etc. For reference: “liberalist”, “tolerant”, “shitcrat” are other terms with a different meaning, which have their own, separate use.
  63. Weyland Rank
    Weyland
    +5
    17 March 2018 20: 14
    Minuses are needed - we just don’t need a system of “ranks”, where a “minus” from a general is equal to a hundred “minuses” from a private! One person - one vote! What kind of idea is this with these shoulder straps - “couch warriors”!
    And the rating should not affect the ability to post comments at all: moderators should ban for swearing, insults, etc. and not for an opinion that is objectionable to someone!
    And I fully agree with the opinion about two separate scales - with pros and cons! Because the “zero” of a newcomer and the “total zero” of an old-timer with a thousand pluses and a thousand minuses are not the same thing!
    1. alex86 Rank
      alex86
      +1
      17 March 2018 20: 28
      Glad I'm not alone!
  64. Falcon5555 Rank
    Falcon5555
    +1
    17 March 2018 22: 25
    I would remove the pros (and cons if introduced) weights. Each like should have equal weight. Otherwise, there arises, and here there is, a group of some kind of space marshals who plus each other in comments like “hello, how are you” and continue to grow.
    1. Falcon5555 Rank
      Falcon5555
      0
      18 March 2018 11: 10
      And another proposal - if minuses are introduced - when minus, and maybe when plus, the rating of the voter should decrease, so that they resort to likes only in important cases, and not as entertainment. Also, the rating should melt over time. In general, developing a sane “voting” system is not so easy. One thing is obvious - the weight of votes must be equal, as in today's elections.
  65. PVL176 Rank
    PVL176
    +1
    17 March 2018 23: 21
    There were already disadvantages, then they were removed. Now they want to return it. And what, without any changes to the system of their recording, accounting, and application options? There is nothing about this in the article. Just return it or not. What are we talking about anyway? How can you vote for something I don’t know?
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  67. region58 Rank
    region58
    +1
    18 March 2018 00: 13
    Phew, read all the comments so far. I read it with pleasure - both supporters and opponents of the “minuses” have serious arguments, and, accordingly, the discussion is at the same level. Without "bowl hats". And it pleases. There's a lot to think about.
  68. AID.S Rank
    AID.S
    0
    18 March 2018 00: 15
    Voted: 2502

    Not a lot....probably there was a need to expand the audience by adding functionality. Or maybe the moderators have become too lazy to sort out complaints.
  69. iliitchitch Rank
    iliitchitch
    +2
    18 March 2018 01: 42
    My opinion is to return the minus. Some bastard is watering my country, but you keep quiet. It is not right .
    "Cartel agreements" of all sorts of marshals - extinguish. How to do it ? Honestly, I don’t know. "Hello Sasha !" - “Hello, Vitaly, how are your mother-in-law’s kidneys feeling?” , I say conditionally. This is annoying, it should be excluded.
    Maybe it makes sense to introduce PERSONAL identification on the site, as an example to others? Here's to making sure your full name is verified? RuNet will come to this, but someone needs to start. Yes, but then you will have to divide visitors into types, there is something to think about.
    However, an ordinary person doesn’t care about conditional shoulder straps; he has to live in the real world.
    Here sometimes people bring the most interesting facts, and this is interesting. There is something to hear. hi
  70. Sverdlov Rank
    Sverdlov
    0
    18 March 2018 02: 47
    Ambiguous. The disadvantages should be shown with the authors shown and only under the condition of commentary with justification. I left the peek-a-boo only because the public there misunderstood my humorous jokes due to their lack of intelligence...
  71. aszzz888 Rank
    aszzz888
    +2
    18 March 2018 04: 12
    I believe that the majority of members of the VO website forum will be “For” the introduction of a minus-plus system.
  72. aszzz888 Rank
    aszzz888
    +2
    18 March 2018 04: 15
    There were times - there were "cons" and there were "pros". What is the result of their introduction, I believe, will be shown by a vote by members of the VO website forum.
  73. ver_ Rank
    ver_
    +1
    18 March 2018 07: 54
    Quote: Svarog51
    Yes, these are not standards, but an enemy server. It happens.

    ... I choose my own server - flag - chi Schaub State supervision did not block my access to the Flibust library.. In the State Duma, these are the inventors.. - they banned reading in libraries for free.. I use the brousek add-on - there are several countries - you choose yourself. .
    1. Svarog51 Rank
      Svarog51
      0
      21 March 2018 15: 03
      So not everyone knows how to use it. Here Zhelezyakin registered, and he had an English flag, so at first he was almost pecked. It turned out that he works in a company jointly with Indians, and there the server does not allow him to change the flag. He even wanted to leave the site - he barely persuaded him to stay, now everything is fine. Sometimes friendly advice or a hint serves a good purpose. hi
  74. 82т11 Rank
    82т11
    0
    18 March 2018 08: 49
    Minuses are necessary, but the right to give only to those who have published on VO
  75. 82т11 Rank
    82т11
    0
    18 March 2018 08: 50
    Minuses are necessary, but the right to give only to those who have published on VO
  76. PFT Rank
    PFT
    0
    18 March 2018 08: 56
    Quote: jktu66
    The site became kutsy without a minus, and comments ceased to be made since a couple of years, there is no past tension of emotions smile

    Well, the site owners themselves are to blame for removing the “inconvenient” ones, now they miss them, but the train has left and is unlikely to return.
  77. Olezhek
    Olezhek
    0
    18 March 2018 09: 22
    a group of some space marshals who upvote each other in comments like “hi, how are you” and continue to grow


    Logical! But in principle, they can be pluses even in the absence of minuses - so I don’t see the connection..
    In general, the minuses are personally very interesting to me specifically for articles, and not for comments. to understand how people evaluate the material is very informative.
    A kind of mini-vote.

    There used to be such a red-green (sort of) line under the article - how much for, how much against...
    There was another good idea - the number of views... is also interesting.

    If a commentator has a negative rating, they should be given black stripes, but they cannot be deprived of the opportunity to speak out - pluralism.

    And a gang of black colonels will commit “atrocities” on the site.
    1. Falcon5555 Rank
      Falcon5555
      0
      18 March 2018 15: 34
      In general, the minuses are personally very interesting to me specifically for articles, and not for comments. to understand how people evaluate the material is very informative.
      Why do you need these ratings? Moreover, they will not mean anything. Many voters, but especially those who, let’s say, don’t like to think (I think they mainly play the game of “likes” and “dislikes”), will confuse assessing the quality of an article with assessing the events described in it. If you don’t like, for example, the perspective described there or if you don’t like the interpretation of events that promises a bad outlook, minuses will immediately be placed under the article, just as they were given in the comments.
      And a gang of black colonels will commit “atrocities” on the site.

      Precisely “black” ones? laughing
  78. Vasilenko Vladimir Rank
    Vasilenko Vladimir
    0
    18 March 2018 11: 54
    gentlemen, admins, check another glitch with the appearance of new comments, sometimes in order for comments to be marked with a new icon, you need to reload the browser (at least Yandex)
  79. XII legion Rank
    XII legion
    +15
    18 March 2018 18: 00
    I wonder how the minus that the corporal put will remove the plus of the marshal?
    And a significant number of nicknames in the hands of one person will allow him to control the discussion process.
    In general, negative likes are the path leading to further abuses and oligarchy.
    It won't lead to anything good good
  80. igor67 Rank
    igor67
    +1
    18 March 2018 18: 38
    Ingvar 72,
    thanks namesake
  81. Gardamir Rank
    Gardamir
    +1
    18 March 2018 20: 32
    When it was a site where it was interesting to communicate. Then both the minuses and the pluses mattered. But now, a month from the colonel to the marshal, somehow, this is not just dishonest, it’s even mean. And now, just like titles, will there be minuses?
  82. philosopher Rank
    philosopher
    0
    18 March 2018 20: 40
    Compromise: minus only to zero.
  83. ccsr Rank
    ccsr
    0
    18 March 2018 21: 20
    Just wondering, how might it turn out that the opinion of ten amateurs will prevail over the opinion of one professional, who will receive only disadvantages from them due to the fact that they are more illiterate? And who then to believe? Especially when amateurs start to group together. There is a sad experience of the “air base” forum, where the owner of the resource created such a rating system for different authors that any normal person would simply twist his finger to his temple. But he likes this game, especially since those who lick his seat are always in the status of the most authoritative authors. No matter how this happens with military review, “activists” will form and begin to persecute those they don’t like, and in the end they will have to scratch their turnips again.
  84. ccsr Rank
    ccsr
    0
    18 March 2018 21: 26
    Quote: businessv
    Well, the senior officers, including marshals, are the VO guru.

    Made me laugh. Read some of the texts of such “officers-marshals”, and it will immediately become clear that people have not even served in the army, but dashingly discuss everything connected with it.
  85. Tatyana Rank
    Tatyana
    0
    18 March 2018 23: 50
    Quote: albert
    You can try to do this, when you receive a certain number of minuses, the comment "closes", and if you want to read it, click on it specially. You can also enter a limit on the number of pluses and minuses to the comment.

    There is no need to do this. Then the whole point of the minuses disappears.
    For example, a user scored 20 downvotes in the first few minutes, and then other users came home from work to the site and gave 40 upvotes for the same comment!
    There should be no restrictions! Otherwise there is no need to stir up all this “mess”. The game won't be worth the candle!
  86. Vasilenko Vladimir Rank
    Vasilenko Vladimir
    0
    19 March 2018 09: 40
    admin also remove the mess when when you reply to a post you are thrown to the top
  87. ver_ Rank
    ver_
    0
    19 March 2018 14: 28
    Quote: Olgovich
    Minuses-Not needed.
    They are not a comment or an argument.
    If you don’t agree, write a COMMENT, oppose, argue.
    They will support you with COMMENTS or vice versa.
    These COMMENTS are the real ones + or -
    But it’s just a disadvantage for anyone who can’t connect two words, hhhluck can deliver. And now he will be able to “appreciate” how... NOTeccentric! lol

    PS And the admins punished rudeness quite severely. And they obviously don’t need help with the minuses.

    ...I had to come across *children's* comments for which their author received 180 pluses or a bunch of minuses on historical topics.. This is a mockery of common sense and.., but is perfectly explained by *community, acquaintance, collusion, cheating*...) and disrespect for other forum participants..
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    1. ccsr Rank
      ccsr
      0
      21 March 2018 12: 23
      Quote: Elena Zakharova
      I don’t see anything wrong with being able to negatively evaluate this or that comment.

      There's nothing wrong with that. The bad thing is that because of these disadvantages, the administration wants to return to the practice of banning those who have these disadvantages above a certain norm. This is what I understand that those who oppose minuses in general don’t want. And their position is fully reasoned - not only can there be a conspiracy of individuals, but it is also possible that amateurs will downvote a professional whose opinion does not coincide with their ideas. This can lead to a decrease in the level of discussion, and not only that, advertising revenues may also decrease when dissatisfied people begin to leave the site. It is unlikely that the owners of the resource do not know about this. In general, there is a forum here and quite adequate people discuss the whole range of problems without any evaluative bells and whistles - they simply give pluses and without consequences for the authors. So everything can be discussed there too.
  89. Vittt
    Vittt
    -1
    19 March 2018 18: 06
    Quote: vovanpain
    Quote: Logall
    but there’s such a topic ...

    Hello Be Bratko! Yes, the topic is interesting, I also rarely visit now, but there is something to think about. And what
    Quote: Logall
    do not minus for excellent opinion

    Sanya, this is simply stupid, at one time I myself suffered from my own lack of restraint and taught glory to God.
    Quote: helmi8
    When you hover over a quantity, a list of those who put these pluses and minuses appears.

    Sanya before, and there was such a system here, you hover over a number and a window pops out with those who voted against or for and justified their pros and cons, I registered already later on this system, below is my comment on this topic. drinks

    Maybe after all, “field marshals” and “generals of all armies” will stop corresponding on this site, as if in their email. mail: “hi Zosya, hello Romuald.” Like, they have secret knowledge that is inaccessible to the “smerds”. This is just ridiculous, stop it, you want to say hello to each other, write in a personal message, finally call each other, or ask Tor or Durov to make you secret. Otherwise you behave like lovers with signs that only they understand. If you want to show each other special love, send a personal message! The site should not be overloaded with your kisses!
  90. Grandfather Eugene Rank
    Grandfather Eugene
    0
    20 March 2018 00: 34
    God's chosen members of the forum will again fly into the red)))
  91. Dancing gryzli Rank
    Dancing gryzli
    0
    20 March 2018 03: 30
    Have you already figured out how to deal with the above-mentioned organized groups, or is it just a rake again?
  92. Kirill Beresnev Rank
    Kirill Beresnev
    0
    20 March 2018 13: 02
    The main thing is that people don’t have to pay anything for the disadvantages. It's a real problem when a community bullies people. Moreover, this community may be a well-organized minority. Cons are needed for articles by category. For example, for the objectivity and quality of transmission of material. Why minuses for a person’s opinion? Don't agree? Write a comment nearby! It is important that even a very minority can speak out. Suddenly they'll tell you the truth!
  93. arturpraetor Rank
    arturpraetor
    +1
    21 March 2018 11: 52
    I will say from my own experience of communicating on the Internet on various thematic sites - the disadvantages for topware are contraindicated.
    And the point is in the topware itself. There are a very large number of active users who cluster around individual topics/authors/sections and have similar opinions, and not all of them are adequate and have sufficient independence of opinion. I will call them in the general mass “hamsters” (does not apply to colleagues who have their own separate and logically justified opinion, and act primarily according to their own principles, and not according to the principles of a rabid crowd), as a kind of crowd that has a collective mind and acts according to the principle “how and others,” furiously rejecting something alien, incomprehensible or simply inconvenient. Especially uncomfortable. I know that no one would classify themselves as hamsters - but they exist, just like a gopher. And with the help of minuses, they will be able to negatively influence quite adequate people, as well as suppress opinions that are inconvenient for them - especially since. As I understand it, for a large number of minuses in comments, penalties are imposed. You wrote in a topic about the flat earth that it is actually round - but the hamsters who came running downvoted you, and you were automatically banned. Injustice in its purest form, and all because the hamsters will be given such a convenient tool to fight unwanted people.
    Sometimes, yes, there are not enough cons, especially when they write selective, concentrated nonsense. But you see, we judge everything by ourselves - and some, advocating the return of the minuses, argue. that this is all with the best intentions, will increase the degree of objectivity... Yes, not even once. You will downvote the case, and a crowd of hamsters will come running - because they did not like the words of the commentator, even if this is the rare case when what he wrote is the Absolute Truth. As a result, the damage from the minuses will be greater than the benefits.
    I repeat, the disadvantages are harmful precisely because there are not 3,5 anonymous people on the topware, but 100500 people, also from different countries. The current “stars” and the absence of minuses make it possible to bring discussions in comments to a more constructive level - “stars” reflect the support of this comment by other users, and in order to express your “fi” regarding this or that point, you have to spread your thoughts along the tree, somehow justify, connect words into sentences, and then also rake them away from your opponent. This is good, this is correct. And so - they will press with minuses on the principle of dislike, which is complete bad manners.
    On sites with a relatively small audience this is not the case, if the community is normal - there people even from neighboring sections know each other very well, often even personally, in one way or another they are imbued with at least some respect for them, and therefore the minuses are really on point, like both advantages, and an appropriate attitude is also formed towards newcomers - first evaluate, and then chop with a saber. In such cases, completely advanced or potential hamsters are simply cut off or “squeezed out” from the site; they are uncomfortable in an environment where, for each of their kicks, they find only constructive criticism from several directions. But topvar has passed this stage a long time ago; here the hamsters have already filed away their cozy corners. Bring back the minuses - give them the opportunity to influence other communities. Give them weapons. And if you personally use such weapons only to shoot sick people, then alas, but hordes of hamsters use these weapons specifically against you simply because you have a mole on your left buttock, and they don’t like those!
    And now you can minus bully

    P.S. I’m new to Topware myself, and I’m hanging out not just in individual sections, but in the topics of individual authors. But even there there are situations when some, ahem, unorganized masses of people of noticeable numbers with a certain opinion, d'Artagnan syndrome and rejection of other people's opinions. They react aggressively to any restrained and polite constructiveness, and sometimes even “I didn’t read it, but I condemn it.” I just imagined that such people might be given minuses, and for this I might also face administrative action... This will not be the top plane on which I personally would be pleased and comfortable to be and comment on something.
    P.P.S. It would be better if instead of “back and forth, oh my God, how nice” with minuses, they fixed the function of unread comments. If you have looked at the topic, then for 15 minutes your way to topware is closed, otherwise new comments will not be marked as “unread”! And then you sit, looking in a thread with three hundred comments for two new ones that weren’t noted because you didn’t wait 15 minutes...
    1. Vadmir Rank
      Vadmir
      0
      22 March 2018 12: 35
      and the crowd of hamsters that came running - because they didn’t like the words of the commentator, even if this is the rare case when what he wrote is the Absolute Truth.
      There is no absolute truth - there is a point of view, but it is not uncommon for a situation in which a certain character imagines that his point of view is the absolute truth. And it is impossible to convince such a person with any arguments or facts. And then there are trolls who are paid money for frank and very aggressive propaganda, and there are no means to combat them yet.
      I will call them in general “hamsters” (does not apply to colleagues who have their own separate and logically justified opinions, and act primarily according to their own principles, and not according to the principles of a rabid crowd)
      I wonder by what criterion you divide people into “hamsters” and colleagues? Well, isn’t it based on the principle of agreement and disagreement with their opinion?
      Sometimes, yes, there are not enough cons, especially when they write selective, concentrated nonsense.
      But how do you distinguish nonsense from absolute truth? Well, isn’t it in your own opinion? But who told you that your opinion is the correct one? Maybe the fact that you do not agree with the majority opinion means that you are the one who is wrong?
      1. arturpraetor Rank
        arturpraetor
        0
        22 March 2018 13: 04
        Quote: Vadmir
        There is no absolute truth - there is a point of view, but it is not uncommon for a situation in which a certain character imagines that his point of view is the absolute truth.

        That's why I wrote "even if". Well, you never know, maybe it will happen.
        Quote: Vadmir
        I wonder by what criterion you divide people into “hamsters” and colleagues? Well, isn’t it based on the principle of agreement and disagreement with their opinion?

        Colleagues is a familiar way for me to address an interlocutor on another site. That’s why I call everyone colleagues. And “hamsters” usually cannot clearly explain their point of view or justify it, or they give arguments that contradict each other and elementary logic, like “the sky is blue - that means Sasha is blue,” preferring to simply relay the words of their idols or basic material they liked, even if there are solid fairy tales instead of real history.
        Quote: Vadmir
        But how do you distinguish nonsense from absolute truth? Well, isn’t it in your own opinion?

        If they start telling me a different point of view, presenting clear evidence that I do not consider sufficient, it will still be someone else’s point of view, against which I have nothing, because it has its own justification. If they start telling me that Nicholas II is a reptilian controlled by multinational corporations... No, seriously, it’s like it’s your first day on topware. Here sometimes they give out such unfounded pearls that they cannot be classified as anything other than nonsense. And not because they contradict my opinion. but because they are deprived of elementary logic and any intelligible justification, but at the same time they are defended by their supporters, foaming at the mouth and resorting to direct insults at the slightest attempt to object or deny their theories. As, in principle, on any site, the topware here is not unique.
  94. shuravi Rank
    shuravi
    0
    22 March 2018 22: 44
    I do not care. In life, I have fully served my captain's stars. But virtual titles are of no use.
  95. shuravi Rank
    shuravi
    0
    22 March 2018 22: 48
    Quote: ccsr
    So it is still possible that amateurs will downvote a professional whose opinion does not coincide with their ideas.


    This is not excluded, such a phenomenon happens all the time.
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  98. ccsr Rank
    ccsr
    0
    April 10 2018 13: 18
    Survey statistics showed that “cons” are needed. What decision will be made in terms of increasing resource traffic?
  99. 4thParasinok Rank
    4thParasinok
    0
    April 13 2018 22: 08
    looks like another show...
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