All on the Maidan: we will talk about the return of the "minuses"!

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Looking for cons in the comments on BO?

Yes, we need - 2333 (77.84%)
77.84%
No, not needed - 315 (10.51%)
10.51%
I don't care - 349 (11.64%)
11.64%
So, Tillerson was removed, with which I congratulate everyone. Our little take. What, where, and most importantly - why does she take all this, let's talk a little later.



That is why, and not at all on the eve of the upcoming elections in our country, we decided, publicly, as it should be, on a virtual Maidan, to discuss such a pressing issue as RETURN OF MINUSES to the comments!

For those who have recently joined our community, we explain: earlier, in the good old days, readers could influence the rating of their colleagues by setting ratings of “+” or “-” to each specific comment. And so it went on for a very long time. While some of the readers did not begin to unite in organized communities, strenuously "minus" all the unwanted.

Thus, people whose point of view was different from the generally accepted one were deprived of the opportunity to express their opinions on the site altogether. So it was instituted that the “black-billed” commentators were significantly limited in their freedom of expression in the quantitative aspect.

And in the end, it all came to the conclusion that the administration decided to remove the possibility of negative ratings.

However, going to meet the continuing statements about the need for negative ratings of comments, the administration decided to conduct a study of public opinion on whether it should be done or not.

In the new projectReporter»This feature is already implemented and enabled.

True, there are no beautiful epaulets, “Reporter” is a civilian project and less official.

Speaking about the return of the "minuses" to the "Military Review", it is immediately worth warning that this will take some time. Since not only the appearance has been changed, but also the internal “filling”, it will take time to “screw” the minuses.

But, approximately in a couple of months, if the public votes "for" the return of the "minuses", the implementation of this functionality is possible.

We vote, dear, on the site is not necessary to drag!

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  1. +36
    16 March 2018 17: 55
    Twenty cons, tribunal and execution. laughing
    1. +69
      16 March 2018 18: 05
      100 pluses one warning is removed (very important for me) laughing
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      2. +107
        16 March 2018 18: 29
        Warnings could be “amnestied”, at least once a year, as a disciplinary punishment, not “left forever stigmatized.” Here I agree with you.
        1. +70
          16 March 2018 18: 37
          Now the gangs of "positives" will conduct their policies. Who does not agree with them - in the skull.
          People come to your senses! Your right to freedom of speech will be taken away from you. Take a look at how many false generals and false marshals have become: he himself saw the generals with 400 comments. They pissed me too, so that I would not rock the boat. They will minus you. Their -80 and -100 against the colonel's -25 - do not pull. Many will leave the site. Come to your senses!
          1. +89
            16 March 2018 18: 52
            Comrades, I think it is right to suggest:
            If cons are introduced, then do not minus for an excellent opinion. Put a minus for outright trolling and rudeness. For this you can chip in the crowd. And if you minus all those who disagree, then we lose the interlocutors.
            1. +22
              16 March 2018 18: 57
              And here is one of them. Take a look at his rating and the number of comments.
              Komtov - 4 177, and a rating of two million.
              1. +40
                16 March 2018 19: 05
                Quote: Crowe
                And here is one of them. Take a look at his rating and the number of comments.
                Komtov - 4 177, and a rating of two million.

                Are you jealous? I have 7496 comments, this is 7497 comments and a rating of 2 million, do you allow me to be in the marshals? laughing laughing Write your own comments and other forum users will appreciate you and the rating will rise and rank, look after yourself a colleague. And in other people's pockets you have nothing to do. hi hi
                1. +9
                  16 March 2018 19: 15
                  Hi, bro. Health to you! I didn’t want to write before the elections, but there’s such a topic ... And Banshee is happy with answers, which is not often. So he broke ...
                  1. +28
                    16 March 2018 19: 26
                    It is necessary to see how many pros and cons have been set. In two columns. Then it will be objective. And the comment that received the most pluses automatically became the first.
                    1. +25
                      16 March 2018 19: 30
                      It will be amusing to see how some of the “majors” and “colonels,” who themselves scored ratings, having several accounts, will fly away to the “minus”. laughing
                      1. +7
                        17 March 2018 23: 40
                        Quote: Monos
                        It will be amusing to see how some of the “majors” and “colonels,” who themselves scored ratings, having several accounts, will fly away to the “minus”.

                        ... Everyone Who Passed The School - Minus ... The Oldest on the Resource ... They then knew how and could ... wink ...
                    2. +53
                      16 March 2018 20: 33
                      And what is objectivity? I was often given a minus for the truth based on facts ... if this truth was at variance with the opinion of the patriots cheers ...
                      Without cons, it’s more objective.
                      1. +31
                        16 March 2018 22: 44
                        Quote: seos
                        And what is objectivity? I was often given a minus for the truth based on facts ... if this truth was at variance with the opinion of the patriots cheers ...
                        No minuses come out more objectively

                        How objective, if we only see how many people agree with you. And how many dissenters are not visible. So what, that they will zaminusut you, the truth from this will not cease to be true. But we will see how much patriot cheers are here.) And, in general, in the end, not because of the ratings, we speak here.
                      2. +23
                        17 March 2018 01: 17
                        The site became kutsy without a minus, and comments ceased to be made since a couple of years, there is no past tension of emotions smile
                      3. +14
                        17 March 2018 05: 33
                        And what is objectivity? I was often given a minus for the truth based on facts ... if this truth was at variance with the opinion of the patriots cheers ...
                        No minuses come out more objectively


                        Everyone was minuscated, someone more often than someone less, but it was interesting ...
                        Cons should be!
                        Definitely !!!
                      4. +5
                        17 March 2018 05: 59
                        Quote: seos
                        if this truth was at variance with the opinion of the cheers of the patriots ...

                        patriots of which country? or what social order?
                        Russians usually do not create different diasporas, including on the Internet.
                      5. PFT
                        +14
                        17 March 2018 06: 29
                        Not patriots, but frank Russophobes and moderators from Israel, such as "And Us Rat", "Professor" - cons and ban.
                    3. +2
                      17 March 2018 21: 01
                      Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
                      And the comment that received the most pluses automatically became the first.


                      No, not objective.
                    4. +2
                      20 March 2018 09: 02
                      Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
                      It is necessary to see how many pros and cons have been set. In two columns. Then it will be objective

                      Objectively WILL NOT!
                      Now for the "wrong" opinion (comment) they simply do not put a plus, they respond to it with comments, there is a dialogue. It can be seen what an opponent is.

                      They will introduce a minus - just for the "wrong" opinion they will ban.

                      Already there is a cheers-patriotic Politicus, everything is simple there - I don’t like the opinion, “minus”, the comment is deleted. Vilely.

                      Do not like it - answer. If you have something to answer. Can not answer - go by. And introduce a "minus" will be stupidly minus.
                      1. +1
                        20 March 2018 13: 58
                        Quote from serry
                        Do not like it - answer. If you have something to answer. Can not answer - go by. And introduce a "minus" will be stupidly minus.

                        I agree - that’s exactly what will happen, especially when the opponent cannot reconcile himself to being publicly ridiculed for illiteracy and aplomb.
                  2. +10
                    16 March 2018 19: 26
                    Quote: Logall
                    but there’s such a topic ...

                    Hello Be Bratko! Yes, the topic is interesting, I also rarely visit now, but there is something to think about. And what
                    Quote: Logall
                    do not minus for excellent opinion

                    Sanya, this is simply stupid, at one time I myself suffered from my own lack of restraint and taught glory to God.
                    Quote: helmi8
                    When you hover over a quantity, a list of those who put these pluses and minuses appears.

                    Sanya before, and there was such a system here, you hover over a number and a window pops out with those who voted against or for and justified their pros and cons, I registered already later on this system, below is my comment on this topic. drinks
                    1. +3
                      17 March 2018 14: 41
                      Agree with you. Here, for example, that pops up when you click on the nickname of any participant in the discussion. This is from our private professional forum.
                      "The whole picture is on the face!" )))

                2. +74
                  16 March 2018 19: 25
                  I’ll give an example of such conversations about “Sasha hello how fools are, how are you” and so on the floor of the informative branch zero, the branch was dirtied, the pluses were instructed to each other and go to marshals
                  1. +33
                    16 March 2018 19: 57
                    Quote: Warrior-80
                    I’ll give an example of such conversations about “Sasha hello how fools are, how are you” and so on the floor of the informative branch zero, the branch was dirtied, the pluses were instructed to each other and go to marshals

                    Yes, the way it was before, although on the other hand the frank slogans were not tired of a great mind either. I would also return a blacklist, so as not to read outright stupidity and almost personal correspondence.
                    1. +14
                      16 March 2018 20: 16
                      I don’t agree there is such a character as Mikhan, he is already like a mascot of Sait, it’s even fun to read it, he’s chopping everyone with a saber, without him it’s somehow not right
                      1. +11
                        16 March 2018 20: 22
                        Quote: Warrior-80
                        I don’t agree there is such a character as Mikhan, he is already like a mascot of Sait, it’s even fun to read it, he’s chopping everyone with a saber, without him it’s somehow not right

                        An exception can be made for Mikhan, but he changes his nicknames, he would at least put the numbers after Mikhan 1 2 3 .................
                      2. +11
                        16 March 2018 20: 36
                        At the request of the participant himself, earlier it was possible to make it so that characters that did not like could be added to a personal black list. Ask the Professor.
                      3. +14
                        16 March 2018 22: 15
                        As Baskov said for Pugachev - do not touch the sacred. Leave Vitaly alone, you can forgive him even for loyalty to the site. Like a bearded man - understand and forgive! laughing
                    2. +13
                      16 March 2018 23: 13
                      Quote: lis-ik
                      Quote: Warrior-80
                      I’ll give an example of such conversations about “Sasha hello how fools are, how are you” and so on the floor of the informative branch zero, the branch was dirtied, the pluses were instructed to each other and go to marshals
                      Yes, the way it was before, although on the other hand the frank slogans were not tired of a great mind either. I would also return a blacklist, so as not to read outright stupidity and almost personal correspondence.

                      I will support. For greetings and personal conversations, there is a chat, forum, PM ... And in the discussions there should be comments on the topic.
                      1. +1
                        17 March 2018 16: 47
                        Namesake hi So before answering, I want to greet the interlocutor humanly. This is contrary to the rules of the site and universal norms of behavior. Even if I (after accepting the minuses) disagree with, say, your opinion - I am obliged to explain this, that is, to substantiate my opinion and minus. But at the same time, we will remain good friends and interlocutors.
              2. +52
                16 March 2018 19: 14
                In some ways, you are right, crony’s beads are planted on the site and they are adding each other, why do I need to know their plans for the evening and other details, I suggest that they punish me hard
                1. +50
                  16 March 2018 19: 40
                  Quote: Warrior-80
                  ... In something you are right, bred on the site crony bides and plus each other, why should I know their plans for the evening and other details, I propose for this hard punish...

                  I fully agree with you.
                  I’ll add from myself - send to the BAN forever, for mocking the state language of our country.
                  Did not try to write correctly, for starters?
                  1. +5
                    16 March 2018 19: 52
                    You understand me, thank you, and poking into other people's mistakes is a sign of bad taste
                    1. +38
                      16 March 2018 19: 55
                      Quote: Warrior-80
                      ... You understand me, thank you, and poking into other people's mistakes is a sign of bad taste ...

                      A sign of a bad tone is to distort the language you are speaking.
                      Not to correct the comrade in time, is also a sign of a bad tone, and it’s not far from trouble.
                      See - write cleanly and correctly wink
                      1. +4
                        16 March 2018 20: 10
                        Well accepted, yes there is a sin I write with errors, well, do not take it in Russian from the inhabitants of the site winked
                      2. +2
                        18 March 2018 07: 47
                        Not everyone has a licensed Word ... Some write from the phone .. With that, how?
                      3. 0
                        18 March 2018 13: 19
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        A sign of a bad tone is to distort the language you are speaking.

                        Have you tried leaving a comment on your smartphone? wink
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                    3. +22
                      16 March 2018 21: 12
                      Quote: Warrior-80
                      ... It is well accepted, yes there is a sin I write with errors, well, do not take it in Russian from the inhabitants of the site ..

                      It’s never too late to learn and improve. You live here exactly the sameеe (spelled with the letter е), As the others.
                      The site, for the most part, is people who have learned in the USSR. Then the exam was not laughing
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                      2. +11
                        16 March 2018 22: 41
                        I noticed one feature on the site if the opponent is not right or doubts the strength of his arguments. He begins to kick other people's mistakes. Mistakes are so important to you? In my opinion, the content is more important than errors in the text.
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                      1. +2
                        16 March 2018 22: 45
                        Andrei, you are my friend, but truth is more precious. From Yegor "Jack Vosmerkin" - like a ballerina from me. He himself would be happy to change the flag to domestic, so he does not know how to do it. Sometimes it doesn’t work on other people's servers. I drew instructions for him below - maybe it will work out. hi drinks
                  3. 0
                    17 March 2018 21: 12
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    I’ll add from myself - send to the BAN forever, for mocking the state language of our country.
                    Did not try to write correctly, for starters?


                    What does he have to do with it?
                    These are all overseas smartphones.
                    Well, in foreign languages ​​there isn’t a normal reference for writing syntax for
                    Russian language.
                  4. +2
                    19 March 2018 01: 33
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    Did not try to write correctly, for starters?

                    The author is not always to blame, a lot of errors and omissions happen either from software imperfections or software and hardware failures. I also can’t always keep track of my mistakes, it seems like I typed everything correctly when you read a comment published, look, there are one or two errors.
                    1. +6
                      19 March 2018 08: 52
                      Quote: Amurets
                      ... The author is not always to blame, a lot of errors and omissions happen either from software imperfections or software and hardware failures ...

                      Nikolay, good morning hi
                      I also don’t have a secretary here, however, before clicking on the add button, if I doubt a phrase, I re-read, correct, put punctuation marks. In the end, after publication, about two to three minutes there is the possibility of editing the text. Links to software and T9 in the phone are not always appropriate, often it’s just inattention or deliberate distortion of words, with claims to the “original” trolling.
                      In essence, I agree - no one is safe from mistakes.
                      This thing is fixable Yes
                      1. +1
                        19 March 2018 09: 19
                        Greetings, Andrey, our day will end soon. I basically agree, but the fact is that when writing and sending letters from a laptop, when sending, letters in words sometimes disappear. They say in the fox, it happens.
                      2. +6
                        19 March 2018 09: 35
                        Quote: Amurets
                        ... Greetings, Andrey, our day will soon end. I basically agree, but the fact is that when writing and sending letters from a laptop, when sending, letters in words sometimes disappear. They say in the fox, this happens ...

                        And I recently woke up, I drink coffee laughing
                        Anything happens, it happens and the technique is "buggy" request
                2. +15
                  16 March 2018 20: 42
                  Quote: Warrior-80
                  In some ways, you are right, crony’s beads are planted on the site and they are adding each other, why do I need to know their plans for the evening and other details, I suggest that they punish me hard

                  this is called a flood, click the Complaint button, such comments will be deleted, according to the rules of the site.
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              3. +4
                16 March 2018 19: 18
                Quote: Crowe
                And here is one of them. Take a look at his rating and the number of comments.
                Komtov - 4 177, and a rating of two million.

                To this they answered that the kumas helped.
                1. +7
                  16 March 2018 19: 54
                  I put it a little differently, and threw the pluses to you, assigned the colonel. What's wrong?
                  1. +5
                    16 March 2018 21: 46
                    Quote: Anarchist
                    I put it a little differently, and threw the pluses to you, assigned the colonel. What's wrong?

                    Did I ask?
                    1. +7
                      16 March 2018 23: 26
                      Good people, good to do, no need to ask! We are all ourselves, without supplication and reminders ...
              4. +16
                16 March 2018 19: 36
                Quote: Crowe
                ... And here is one of them. Take a look at his rating and the number of comments.
                Kom-tov - 4 177, and the rating for two million ...

                Aren't you tired of rummaging through other people's pockets?
                What do you poke a finger if you yourself reincarnated?
                Try not to shine your skeletons in the closet.
                1. +8
                  16 March 2018 20: 40
                  Now I’m sure that the gang of “pluses”. They intercede for each other. Since yesterday, my rating has been raised by a hundred thousand. Now imagine that they will begin to minus. Have to unite. The clan war will begin, instead of talking.
                  1. +5
                    17 March 2018 00: 44
                    Quote: Crowe
                    Have to unite. The clan war will begin, instead of talking.

                    This is how to drink to give. Alas, clan unification is a proven behavior for hundreds of thousands of years, and it cannot be overcome, just trying to force yourself. It is very likely that if it used to be so, it means that when past conditions are returned, everything will be reborn again. In a natural way.
              5. +11
                16 March 2018 19: 46
                Howe, Black Feather. I have even fewer comments, but I am also the LEADER. Can you share who you were in a previous life? I'd like to read your own dossier. Do not be shy if you are a worthy warrior - no one will offend you. If this is not so, then do not be offended by the Sleeping Bear.
                Z.Y. I added feathers to your warbonnets.
                1. +12
                  16 March 2018 20: 06
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  Howe

                  Tu-ru-ru, my pale-faced foe.
                  The meaning of the pros is to see how many people have the same opinion. Who agrees. And you spoil all statistics. Because of these, many fled. Jews in general, recently, it was no longer visible, they threw hats.
                  1. +13
                    16 March 2018 20: 09
                    Quote: Crowe
                    You spoil all statistics. Because of these, many fled. Jews in general, recently, it has not become visible, they threw hats

                    Ksenia? Sobchak? belay
                    Well, sorry, honey, I didn’t recognize ....
                    You are somehow old, the protector of all the poor and oppressed ....
                    laughing
                    1. +4
                      16 March 2018 20: 43
                      They also decided to call names! Cons thrown. Now with caps, and tomorrow with minuses.
                      1. +6
                        16 March 2018 20: 48
                        Quote: Crowe
                        They also decided to call names!

                        Admin did not try to complain?
                        crying
                    2. +2
                      16 March 2018 21: 18
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      Admin did not try to complain?

                      Already. And not only for you. Wait.
                      1. +5
                        16 March 2018 21: 23
                        Quote: Crowe
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Admin did not try to complain?
                        Already. And not only for you. Wait.

                        They are waiting for the promised 3 of the year .... Right now I'm sobbing .....
                        Yes
                    3. +2
                      16 March 2018 22: 22
                      Innocent Smoktunovsky! Kesha!
                      1. +1
                        17 March 2018 17: 34
                        Lesha, greetings, old man hi Trump was forgiven me, and Clintonsha managed a “yellow card”. You see how it turns out - the “gray cardinals” are more expensive.
                  2. SOF
                    +7
                    16 March 2018 20: 39
                    Quote: Crowe
                    Jews in general, recently, it has not become visible, they threw hats

                    + + +
                    ... for comrades from the promised land, with the reincarnation of the minuses, it is necessary to make decimation - at least 10 divided by one, clickable, minus .... otherwise they, all without exception, will become pirates, and without them there will be no last loved one Secretary General of the CPSU and the first president of the USSR, pluralism ...
                    1. +3
                      17 March 2018 08: 34
                      Quote: SOF
                      Quote: Crowe
                      Jews in general, recently, it has not become visible, they threw hats

                      + + +
                      ... for comrades from the promised land, with the reincarnation of the minuses, it is necessary to make decimation - at least 10 divided by one, clickable, minus .... otherwise they, all without exception, will become pirates, and without them there will be no last loved one Secretary General of the CPSU and the first president of the USSR, pluralism ...

                      Do not worry about them, they will not be offended here, do not be so kind as to worry laughing
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                    1. +10
                      16 March 2018 21: 01
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      Do not la la, I personally appropriated the General to the Professor

                      Sergey,
                      and Trump in the US as president - is that you too?
                      belay
                      1. +1
                        16 March 2018 22: 23
                        Well, just old Hilary removed from the track on time.
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                3. ZVO
                  +8
                  16 March 2018 21: 33
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  Howe, Black Feather. I have even fewer comments, but I am also the LEADER. Can you share who you were in a previous life? I'd like to read your own dossier. Do not be shy if you are a worthy warrior - no one will offend you. If this is not so, then do not be offended by the Sleeping Bear.
                  Z.Y. I added feathers to your warbonnets.


                  Can I tell you?
                  You are a great moderator!
                  Edit the ban so to speak left and right.
                  Like in that fairy tale - how I wake up in the morning. so I’ll start to edit ...
                  Moreover, without much analysis - insults by nationalists, idiots - in liberalism, Westernism - are not moderated in any way ... The answer is the same - for some reason they are punished with bans.

                  Do you understand. moderators. which snake are you warming up on the site?
                  After all, the site lives really due to a thin layer of technically developed authors and their readers?
                  And if this layer goes away. then all the articles are third-party (i.e. stupid and news) - will lead you to complete degradation?
                  You cannot save Bongo - if he does not see our feedback ...
                  And the responses of a thousand idiots - he does not see - they pass by his articles ...

                  Maybe for an unreasonable "Dodge" - it’s worth banning, as for a flood?
                  1. +7
                    16 March 2018 23: 02
                    Alex, why did you get the idea that I am a moderator? I have written in my profile - member. If I’m guilty of anything in front of the site, I will scoop up the full program. Already had the pleasure and not buzz that I am white and fluffy. I’ll tell you a secret - not all marshals are moderators, and not all moderators are marshals. Something like that. hi
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                  1. +10
                    16 March 2018 21: 43
                    Quote: Svarog51
                    R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ hi
                    don't want to deal with offenders

                    For rewards and buns? What is it like? belay

                    He just wrote that the titles are given at some accelerated pace, so I wondered if his principles were not at odds with our harsh reality. Yesterday, he missed dozens until the next, and today he was pleasantly surprised and I was so embarrassed that I would give him a flower if possible. smile hi
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                    2. 0
                      17 March 2018 17: 38
                      and I was so feeling that if possible I would give him a flower

                      And do not even think - he will bite you. wink Not all the oncoming dogs are rabid, but if one comes across - stay away. Such a meeting is fraught with consequences.
              7. +5
                17 March 2018 08: 44
                Quote: Crowe
                Take a look at his rating and the number of comments.

                You do not need to be a super-analyst to see that VO with a system of pluses and stars has turned into an interest club. Several "Marshall" nicknames like each other and gain a rating. look at how many empty formal comments they have with many advantages. If we have a plus - minus system, then the assessment of one vote should strictly be 1 point. regardless of "marshaldom"
                1. +1
                  17 March 2018 20: 52
                  Alexander hi Here explain to me as a marshal, why do I need pluses? Further emptiness, no career growth. Show me the way forward, what is the purpose of having? Marshal - this is not a goal, but a burden. Do you want to do good, but you are already on the black list of corrupt officials and nobody believes you. I’m rowing such grandmothers for distributing titles, I don’t really know where to put them. I can share it. So even "paper" epaulets are envy, but what can we say about the real ones? Here's what to do next, if I don’t know how to shit and don’t want, and the world does not accept it?
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            2. +3
              16 March 2018 19: 00
              Quote: Logall
              If you minus all those who disagree, then we lose the interlocutors.


              Do not lose. It is provided for.
              1. +8
                16 March 2018 19: 04
                Quote: Banshee
                as provided.

                Can you give more details? Interested in how this will work.
              2. +11
                16 March 2018 20: 10
                Roman, I welcome you hi
                It is as if provided.

                So "would" or "provided"? The problem with the law is that it ignores a specific case. I hope you remember the parable about the frozen sparrow? Let me remind you.
                Sparrow flew in a fierce winter and weakened from the cold. Fell and freezes.
                A cow passed by and was casually relieved.
                Sparrow in shit warmed up and began to cry out.
                A cat ran past, heard a tweet. She pulled out a sparrow, rubbed it on the snow so that it would not stink and ... ate it.
                Conclusions:
                1. Not the enemy - who cheated
                2. Not that friend - who pulled out of shit
                3. Got into shit - don't tweet. It is fraught with consequences and very deplorable.
                1. +3
                  16 March 2018 20: 28
                  digging deep, buddy!
                  1. +6
                    16 March 2018 21: 07
                    It's not me. This is a national treasure. feel
                2. +16
                  16 March 2018 20: 56
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  Sparrow in shit warmed up and began to cry out.


                  What do you mean?
                  Sparrows do not need to touch ... am laughing laughing
                  1. +6
                    16 March 2018 21: 51
                    the sparrow began to cry out on a high roof - it's not me, it's poetry, my daughter taught lol
                  2. +2
                    16 March 2018 21: 54
                    Quote: vorobey
                    Quote: Svarog51
                    Sparrow in shit warmed up and began to cry out.


                    What do you mean?
                    Sparrows do not need to touch ... am laughing laughing

                    Shovel them, a shovel so that proud birds are not offended .. Villains
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              3. +35
                16 March 2018 21: 17
                I also want to express my opinion on this matter.
                My work is now closely connected with the rehabilitation centers for war veterans and the armed forces, as well as with boarding houses for labor veterans. One of the main problems there is the closure of people in themselves. Something needs to be stirred up, brought back to life.
                In 2014, I invited the leadership of one of these institutions to register the most severe patients on the VO website and explain the rules of communication. The result, as they say, exceeded expectations. Seven veterans took one nickname, wrote comments together only after a collegiate discussion, one of them was constantly on duty at the laptop, waiting for answers and reporting about them to the others. People came to life. The site combined them. How they rejoiced in epaulets and ranks. I remember with what joy they told me that they had already been awarded the rank of major. This respect shown to them by members of the forum was highly appreciated. And many forum users themselves were very respected. And called in their own way. Andrei Yurievich became a “boxer” in them, Alabay - a “grandfather”, and Diana was called nothing more than “our Dianushka”.
                But when the cons were canceled, then the interest in communicating on the site faded. As they explained to me, there was no justice on the site. If before any comment received 10 pluses and 50 minuses - and in the end it would have a rating of “- 40”, then after the innovations it became “+ 10”. Those. in the end - it’s not written disgusting, but a completely respected opinion. Black turned white.
                They did not want to perceive such distortions. Just stopped writing comments. But they did not stop hoping for the restoration of justice. And a return to honest comment ratings would be a real gift for them. And not only for them.
                1. +9
                  16 March 2018 21: 39
                  Quote: Reserve officer
                  And many forum users themselves were very respected. And called in their own way. Andrei Yurievich became a “boxer” with them, Alabay - a “grandfather”, and Diana was called nothing less than “our Dianushka”

                  Alexey hi , so only Andrey Yuryevich remained on the site, request Alabai, since the cons were canceled, it disappeared, and our Diana was sealed with complaints. Yes hi
                  1. +13
                    16 March 2018 22: 04
                    Vladimir, welcome! In fact, many worthy people left the site. What can not but sadness. The site only lost from this.
                    1. +11
                      16 March 2018 22: 26
                      Quote: Reserve officer
                      In fact, many worthy people left the site. What can not but sadness. The site only lost from this.

                      Aleksey, this is what saddens me most of all, I have been reading the site since 2012, I’ve registered since 15, and now request I am not a supporter of the minuses, but there have been so many frank boorish people, I’m ready to kill each other, I voted for the minuses, I always respected someone else’s opinion if it is not Russophobic or boorish, but now it is on every branch unfortunately. hi Regards, Alexey! hi
                2. +5
                  16 March 2018 22: 28
                  You honor and respect for your wit. Honestly, I wouldn’t have done that before. Interesting idea.
                3. +4
                  17 March 2018 11: 40
                  Quote: Reserve officer
                  And a return to honest comment ratings would be a real gift for them.

                  WHAT FOR generally - request grades? Are they interesting, and not the opinion of the interlocutor and the opportunity to chat with him?
                  I personally agree to be eternal SERIES IN.
                  I am interested in COMMUNICATION, not the pros and cons and titles.
                  The true pros and cons are clearly visible in the REVIEWS to my comments. And they are much more important and more weighty faceless UNARGUAGED click
              4. 0
                17 March 2018 21: 09
                Hello Roman! You haven’t seen you in a long time. Tell me, is this your idea of ​​returning the minuses? An excellent thought, I tell you, an idea. By the way, you once promised an article on the historical role of Jews in Russia. Will it be ali? revnagan.
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              2. +2
                16 March 2018 20: 17
                Alexander hi But what about the statement "That soldier who does not dream of becoming a marshal" is bad? The army holds on to this. And every soldier in a satchel should have a marshal's baton. Not I said that, but I agree with that. On the "citizen" the same thing, only a veiled sloness. Life is a harsh thing.
                1. +12
                  16 March 2018 20: 30
                  wand? fuck he soldier? stew and crackers and spare footcloths, but if you live, thank God!
                  1. +2
                    16 March 2018 21: 13
                    Swim finely! Well, get ready quickly! The next stop is Marshal. Wipe the rod from dust. wink
                    1. +6
                      16 March 2018 21: 52
                      it's not dust, I disturbed them with porridge
                      1. +3
                        16 March 2018 23: 33
                        The wand must be clean. Lick or wipe a footcloth.
                2. +10
                  16 March 2018 20: 51
                  Svarog, the epaulettes are paper, but the views are real. They are important, but you spoil everything. Chasing virtual glory. Shame!
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                  1. +1
                    16 March 2018 23: 44
                    Dmitry, welcome hi I came to the site when the cons were canceled. And it seems that he has not yet expressed his opinion on their return. As you can see, they accuse me of putting advantages. Now I scratch turnip - where to go?
                    Z.Y. Did the "Pete Mitchell" tramp mention you when you told me about a meeting of a colleague?
                    1. +9
                      16 March 2018 23: 58
                      Svarog51
                      I came to the site that year, although I read it from the age of 14 ...
                      The tramp probably mentioned me ... He is skiing now ...
                      I didn’t find the cons either ..
                      1. +11
                        17 March 2018 00: 06
                        And my opinion is that the site should be left unchanged ....

                        Otherwise it will be like news from RBC ....
                      2. +4
                        17 March 2018 00: 44
                        Dmitry, in the 13th year, in addition to VO, I also visited Pikaba. There are also pros and cons. So there informative articles very often drowned in the minuses, just like that out of pure mischief. This was especially noticeable during the holidays. That's why I went from there to a more serious site - here to VO. My opinion - you can do a good thing - do it, do not want to - go by. Here is Sanya vorobey - a worthy person and a fair moderator. But crows tend to crap even on the fly, if there is transport, then you know what I'm talking about. But Picabu also has a positive point - there, in the profile of each, the number of affixed ratings is reflected. If the minuses are returned to VO, let them include such a function. It will be immediately apparent who breathes with what.
                        Z.Y. Hobo at a meeting from me greetings. soldier
            4. +9
              16 March 2018 19: 49
              I propose to oblige the minus signer to necessarily attach to his minus a few words justifying this minus and until an explanation is made not to be allowed to the site. hi
              1. +5
                16 March 2018 20: 15
                Quote: sharp-lad
                I propose to oblige the minus signer to necessarily attach to his minus a few words justifying this minus and until an explanation is made not to be allowed to the site. hi

                Sometimes similar explanations occurred in the context. And sometimes, if 10 minuses ---- all 10 should explain? Litter the site? If anyone is not clear, he may ask.
                1. +2
                  17 March 2018 15: 10
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  if 10 minuses ---- should explain all 10?

                  they also need to be checked, but this is an overwhelming work, by the way.
                  1. 0
                    18 March 2018 06: 59
                    Quote: gm9019
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    if 10 minuses ---- should explain all 10?

                    they also need to be checked, but this is an overwhelming work, by the way.

                    A very correct remark. !!!! For example, someone put a minus and wrote "" Because you are a victim of the exam. " And 10 people took and repeated so as not to bother! GY-GY !!!!! That's the opponent will be glad when he reads! At one time there was such a person! How is he being minus ---- he scolds, insults those who are minuscule, does not understand FOR SCHOOO ?? Despite clear explanations. You read ---- game, as if it were a madhouse to visit !!!
                    I liked the REPORTER, but ...... everywhere I don’t have time. Although in TECHNO ---- I will go often. Without registration so far.
                    1. +2
                      18 March 2018 10: 12
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      Because you are a victim of the exam

                      You definitely deserve such cons.
                    2. +2
                      18 March 2018 11: 57
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      so as not to bother! GY-GY !!!!!

                      and this is a good indicator that minuscule not for koment but because "GY-GY !!!!"
                      1. 0
                        18 March 2018 20: 14
                        Hello, Vladimir Ivanovich!
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

                        and this is a good indicator that minuscule not for koment but because "GY-GY !!!!"
                        I think “GY-GY” ----- not the worst thing you can hear here? You are before me on the site. Perhaps you will recall the one who scolded and was rude, if he got cons. And perhaps he wrote the previous comment? Probably, after that long-standing ban it is not the first time that it registers under new names? Seem to be....
              2. +6
                18 March 2018 07: 03
                Quote: sharp-lad
                I propose to oblige the minus signer to necessarily attach to his minus a few words justifying this minus

                Well, then, for symmetry - let's introduce the same rule for the pluses wassat
                And all will be happy ... probably recourse
            5. +6
              16 March 2018 20: 48
              Quote: Logall
              And if you minus all those who disagree, then we lose the interlocutors.

              Do you need these interlocutors? Without most of them, you can safely do without. Especially without those who write comments "hello Vasya." I am pleased to zaminusu for contempt of the audience.
            6. +5
              16 March 2018 20: 53
              Previously, they didn’t seem to minus the sane people who normally defended their point of view and now they won’t do it, only rotten trolls, because if you minus the other point of view, the site will turn into a “censor”.
              And at the expense of ranks do they need at all? Add minuses and pluses, you don’t need more anyway most of the “generals” here are clearly not “authorities” laughing

              PS I’ve never sculpted pros or cons, if I need to write directly, I just think there are people who don’t know anything by topic, they go for review and when they simply troll without minuses, these people perceive their comments as something sane and serious, but with minuses these clowns are immediately visible.
            7. +2
              17 March 2018 09: 17
              Some are not sorry to lose.
            8. +4
              17 March 2018 09: 22
              Quote: Logall
              Put a minus for outright trolling and rudeness

              Say this, for example, to comrades with the Israeli flag. Those amicably minus everything that does not fit with their policies.
              1. +10
                17 March 2018 11: 00
                Quote: Orionvit
                Quote: Logall
                Put a minus for outright trolling and rudeness

                Say this, for example, to comrades with the Israeli flag. Those amicably minus everything that does not fit with their policies.

                what nonsense, comrades with the Israeli flags, even if they are minus, it won’t affect your rating, only marshals and generals can influence their pluses and minuses, I myself was a marshal from a gang of marshals, as Sanya Vorobei wrote, after updating the site I became a colonel , although half the marshals registered only a year ago have the same number of comments on my site since I was 12 years old and I had skulls, but then the rating was increased not by the Israelis but by the Russian forum users. It is difficult for the Israelis to substantiate their position, it starts right away -cortavous bullying, or God's chosen and much more, trolling in your way.
                1. 0
                  17 March 2018 14: 36
                  Quote: igor67
                  corted bullying, or God's chosen and much more

                  Not I came up with this, but for some, this is a very sore subject. There are probably reasons.
                  1. +5
                    17 March 2018 15: 10
                    Quote: Orionvit
                    Quote: igor67
                    corted bullying, or God's chosen and much more

                    Not I came up with this, but for some, this is a very sore subject. There are probably reasons.

                    I don’t understand you, but you often read exactly that in the place of an argumented answer. The reasons for not accepting, I don’t know, I chat with many forum users off-site, we drink and play hockey on Skype with a beer, you can always find reasons for rejection, or vice versa
                    1. 0
                      17 March 2018 22: 08
                      Quote: igor67
                      you can always find the reasons for rejection

                      When you start studying the history of world wars, revolutions, global political upheavals, for some reason you always run into the Jewish question. And someone will say that they have nothing to do with it? I have the same many acquaintances of the Jews, a drink of beer, this is normal. But it turns out that no matter what happens in the world, they are right there. Take a look at least at Ukraine, not to mention Russia. And so all over the world.
                      1. +3
                        18 March 2018 13: 30
                        Quote: Orionvit
                        that they have nothing to do with it?

                        Yes, and where, without them! But Igor67 is one of the most adequate VO visitors with the Israeli flag, believe me, as a person dedicated to the Jewish question! wink
            9. +4
              17 March 2018 09: 42
              Quote: Logall
              Comrades, I think it is right to suggest:
              If cons are introduced, then do not minus for an excellent opinion. Put a minus for outright trolling and rudeness. For this you can chip in the crowd. And if you minus all those who disagree, then we lose the interlocutors.

              There are still sober people in VO.
            10. +2
              17 March 2018 11: 10
              Quote: Logall
              If the cons are introduced, then do not minus behind great opinion. Put a minus for outright trolling and rudeness.

              Don't you understand that this will be only a good wish and will happen exactly the opposite?
              Many years of experience with negative attestation only confirms this.
              The absence of minuses made it possible to DIVERSIFY a palette of opinions and views and the ability to defend one’s point of view to different people and only INCREASED the audience of VO. And made it, accordingly, more interesting.

              Who cares to read only the comments, where some endlessly praise each other for a concurring opinion (violently plus)? request .Where there is no one to argue with and hone their arguments and to increase knowledge only because some have been trampled on by the crowd (have they been bombarded?) No.

              And trolling and rudeness are monitored by (and very) moderators. hi
              .
              whose point of view was different from the generally accepted one, were deprived of the opportunity to express their opinion on the site at all. So it was instituted that the “black-headed” commentators were significantly limited in their freedom of expression in the quantitative moment.
              And in the end, everything came to the conclusion that the administration accepted decision to remove the possibility of giving negative ratings.

              CORRECT was the decision Yes
            11. +4
              18 March 2018 07: 39
              Quote: Logall
              If you introduce cons, then do not minus for an excellent opinion. Put a minus for outright trolling and rudeness. For this you can chip in the crowd. And if you minus all those who disagree, then we lose the interlocutors.


              in theory it’s correct, but in practice it will not work unfortunately.
              besides, in VO it was only possible to grab the minuses flag.
              1. +3
                18 March 2018 11: 18
                Maki Avellevich (Dmitriy)
                in theory it’s correct, but in practice it will not work unfortunately.
                besides, in VO it was only possible to grab the minuses flag.
                Yes! It was so! I testify.
                Previously, in general, some “fast-thinking” users, without even reading the user’s own comment, which they allegedly oppose, simply minus one thing (without any troubles with their response comments), they simply minus the flag, nickname or author that they didn’t like ( user profile picture).
                Now - without cons - this is really excluded.
              2. +2
                18 March 2018 13: 34
                Quote: Maki Avellievich
                just grab the minuses flag.

                There is such a thing, but the matter is not only in the flag. Among your brother, the same lacks trolls, for which they flew away in minus. Pimply as an example. The professor also sometimes shines with "intellect". I have no complaints about you, nor about Us Rat (although he put a warning on my lawlessness). hi
          2. +11
            16 March 2018 18: 56
            Quote: Crowe
            Now the gangs of "positives" will conduct their policies. Who does not agree with them - in the skull.
            People come to your senses! Your right to freedom of speech will be taken away from you. Take a look at how many false generals and false marshals have become: he himself saw the generals with 400 comments. They pissed me too, so that I would not rock the boat. They will minus you. Their -80 and -100 against the colonel's -25 - do not pull. Many will leave the site. Come to your senses!

            Do you want to express your opinion or become a VO general? Let's ask the administration and I will give you my stars ....................
          3. +8
            16 March 2018 18: 59
            Quote: Crowe
            Now the gangs of "positives" will conduct their policies. Who does not agree with them - in the skull.


            Who told you that? You have been deceived.
            1. +6
              16 March 2018 19: 35
              Quote: Banshee
              Quote: Crowe
              Now the gangs of "positives" will conduct their policies. Who does not agree with them - in the skull.


              Who told you that? You have been deceived.

              What were the main problems there? - quiet minus, so if you screw a mandatory comment to the minus, then two problems will be removed immediately:
              1-it is clear who and justify, 2- those who justify the minus in scrap do not put.
              The negative point is that the footcloth will grow and the opinion already expressed is duplicated, but IMHO is a worthy consideration.
              1. +2
                18 March 2018 13: 36
                Quote: poquello
                quiet minus

                By the way, by the way, half of the rating was cut off for this business, Smirnov personally tried. But I'm not offended, there was a jamb ... feel
            2. +5
              16 March 2018 20: 26
              Why cheated? I do not agree - in the skull. The army does not tolerate individuality in the absolute. The army is a public organization. But for the "virus" there is an "antibiotic" in it - a special department. Or am I misunderstanding something?
            3. 0
              18 March 2018 13: 46
              You or us?
              Ban decent, leave extremely dishonest public, MINUS, a way to weed out the lies, this is not profitable for you.
              So you have to be more honest, and not hide for the rights of a moderator.
          4. +26
            16 March 2018 19: 03
            And I’m already used to the polemic without cons!
            If the opinions in the comments of different users do not agree, then they exchange questions to each other, clarify the arguments, look for common ground for a common opinion.
            With a system with minuses - people will put a minus and without any opposition and their own arguments usually just rushed on. Dialogue does not work.
            Meanwhile, the exchange of opinions is necessary and very useful for the search for objective truth, which is capable of ideologically uniting the people. Adequate unity of opinion is also necessary to ensure the national security of our country.

            As for the minuses, allegedly for various kinds of violations (trolling, rudeness, obscenities, etc.), they are not so needed, because our moderators of the VO website are reliably at the service of monitoring compliance with the site’s rules.

            I am against the minuses in this case. I consider them superfluous now.
            1. +6
              16 March 2018 19: 08
              Hello, dear Tatyana, but I did not find the minus. Immediately to the points of contact ... Well, do you remember how we had it with you? love I called you a loving witch. love love love
              1. +5
                16 March 2018 19: 18
                Good evening, Alexander! [ hi
                Logall
                I love you called a witch. love love love

                Ha! I remember! It was so! laughing They called the night witch in the sense of the nickname of Soviet pilots in the Second World War. And I didn’t understand the compliment! crying
                And then you sent me gorgeous cards with flowers! And they wrote beautiful letters in PM! drinks
                I swam in them! good
                Sasha! It’s hard to forget! Yes
                1. +5
                  16 March 2018 23: 47
                  I am against the minuses in this case. I consider them superfluous now.

                  golden comment. I bowlove
            2. +8
              16 March 2018 19: 24
              But not me!. I remember how because of you they put me under a hundred cons. And, excuse me, there was a lesson for me. crying
              1. +2
                16 March 2018 19: 26
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                And I’m already used to the polemic without cons!

                This is me for my comment, otherwise someone will not understand ...
                1. +9
                  16 March 2018 19: 50
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  But not me!. I remember how because of you they put me under a hundred cons. And, excuse me, there was a lesson for me. crying

                  Dear Vladimir! hi
                  Ha! I also remember this incident. drinks Then, for me, men immediately threw minuses to 250 for me - they almost ripped off all your shoulder straps! lol
                  Then, for another whole week, my defenders - male users - for me you were hurt by the minuses just like that - to prevent courtesy from you. Until you publicly asked me for a petition - and I forgave you. Then immediately users with jokes in the comments + 80 returned. It was fun.
                  And I thought that you had already forgotten this incident.

                  Now the moderator would have slammed you for this. And so we, you see, you from the team have not lost! Yes
                2. +4
                  16 March 2018 20: 44
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  And I’m already used to the polemic without cons!

                  This is me for my comment, otherwise someone will not understand ...

                  And this is just a vivid example of how to clog and plus! That's just about such communication, as it was now discussed. No offense.
                  1. +3
                    16 March 2018 20: 47
                    Also minus. I am for the cons.
                    1. +6
                      16 March 2018 21: 05
                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      Also minus. I am for the cons.

                      And I'm for the minuses, after such a personal communication with Tatyana, I would have slapped him!
                      1. +2
                        16 March 2018 21: 11
                        I agree. laughing And what is wrong?... recourse There are no cons ...
                      2. +9
                        16 March 2018 22: 34
                        Yes, normal communication. On the site, people communicate too, quarreled, reconciled. So that is bad? This one also goes into VO plus. Or do you want to make a purely informative resource out of it?
                      3. +4
                        16 March 2018 23: 00
                        Quote: lis-ik
                        And I'm for the minuses, after such a personal communication with Tatyana, I would have slapped him!

                        Sergei ! Greetings Colleague hi So many communicate in a personal or other way, but also in topics, because when we are discussing with colleagues. We also say hello, and you and I have already earned it too. laughing hi
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                1. +4
                  16 March 2018 19: 52
                  No, I have not forgotten. Well, I was from a hangover, and in this case my tongue is grinding, it’s not clear what .. crying
                  1. +4
                    16 March 2018 19: 55
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    No, I have not forgotten. Well, I was from a hangover, and in this case my tongue is grinding, it’s not clear what .. crying
                    Yes, that's exactly what they understood! lol
                    1. +7
                      16 March 2018 21: 17
                      How touching. feel So I would listen and listen ... good
                      1. +6
                        16 March 2018 21: 25
                        Do not scoff, please.)))
                  2. +2
                    17 March 2018 00: 51
                    Do not scoff, please.)))

                    And in his thoughts was not. request I like it when a friendly conversation is going on, and not a dive with mutual insults.
                  3. +3
                    17 March 2018 11: 52
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Well, I with a hangover was, and in this case I have tongue is grinding, this is unclear..

                    In, at once there was another suggestion: until the tube blows, to the minuses, DO NOT ALLOW !! am lol :
                    1. +2
                      17 March 2018 19: 28
                      until it blows into the tube, to the minuses, DO NOT ALLOW !!

                      Andrei hi It’s cruel, got out of the steering wheel - waved a glass to calm the soul, went to the site, breathed and in the bathhouse. So you can’t get to the site.
                      1. +1
                        17 March 2018 19: 38
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        Andrey This is cruel, got out of the steering wheel - waved a glass to calm the soul, went to the site, breathed and in the bathhouse. So you can’t get to the site.

                        Sergei hi access to the site equate to driving! Yes
                    2. +3
                      18 March 2018 11: 27
                      calling the site equate to driving while driving!

                      Well, expand the penalties on the site - both on the road. Enter the appeal and the Court of Honor in the forum. But the breathalyzer for the site how to adapt - I do not know request But I know how to get around it.
            3. +3
              16 March 2018 19: 24
              Well, how are the cons? And how then to grow in the ranks? Yes, people still haven’t changed their minds ready for everything! Cons in principle are possible, only those who put the minus should justify the assessment, not justification minus does not go.
              Now, on the unity of opinion, I think this is not possible in principle (everyone runs off his own mind), but a dialogue is needed.
              1. +6
                16 March 2018 20: 25
                saigon
                Cons in principle are possible, only those who put the minus should justify the assessment, not justification minus does not go.
                The fact of the matter is that a program with minuses does not imply this — it simply cannot be configured. Therefore, you can throw minuses without any explanation, and you will not know and understand why! In addition, they can dislike and out of harm minuses to you while throwing. This sometimes happened too.
                Now, on the unity of opinion, I think this is not possible in principle (everyone runs his own way in his mind)
                Practice shows that the position of people as a result of discussing certain problems still sometimes changes. The horizons are expanding - the worldview is changing.
                and dialogue is needed.
                That's right! Dialogue is a must. This is a kind of cherry on the cake.
                1. +2
                  16 March 2018 20: 39
                  Yes, dialogue is needed. I like to read comments a lot of new things. many knowledgeable people in different topics.
                  Well, they throw cons so what? Not much grief for me is the opinion and judgment of a person more important than consent. objection to which I am not right and minus - they gave me the picks. will be given again, passing it.
                  1. +7
                    16 March 2018 20: 46
                    saigon
                    Well, they are throwing minuses so what?
                    You simply cannot imagine this psychologically traumatic situation for people. They can catch up with you without any explanation - and you won’t even know for what and who exactly did it! It’s like you are on a forum, but there is nothing around you — there is no personal communication with you! You are simply ignored! You will sit and puzzle - Why ?! This hit many on pride - all the more so because the stars at the same time simply hide on your shoulder straps!
                    Because of this, many simply left the VO site.
                    As a result, over time, one strong company with an identically uniform opinion was formed on the site. Which new users with a different opinion simply squeezed from the site.
                    1. +3
                      17 March 2018 11: 54
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      there was one strong company with an identically uniform opinion on the site. Which new users with a different opinion simply squeezed from the site.

                      Therefore, cons and are NOT needed! Yes
                    2. 0
                      18 March 2018 11: 43
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      They can catch up with you without any explanation - and you won’t even know for what and who exactly did it!

                      That is why I offer minuses by category and special button "knowingly false cons."

                      If I see someone’s comment that does not contain, for example, any Russophobia, but with a dozen minuses “for Russophobia” - the complaint flies to the moderator, and the well-deserved arrives to the minusers.
                      1. +1
                        18 March 2018 12: 13
                        Conserp
                        If I see someone’s comment that does not contain, for example, any Russophobia, but with a dozen minuses “for Russophobia” - the complaint flies to the moderator, and the well-deserved arrives to the minusers.

                        And why did you decide that the disadvantages were set, for example, for Russophobia? If there are reciprocal comments on this user's post, how can it turn out that there are no at all !!! That was so often. And no moderator will understand and will not understand, because such a phenomenon was widespread and the motives were very different, but there were many minus signers.
                    3. 0
                      18 March 2018 21: 52
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      And why did you decide that the disadvantages were set, for example, for Russophobia?


                      Because these cons are in the column "for Russophobia"?

                      Do you read what they write to you before answering?
                  2. +9
                    16 March 2018 22: 34
                    Quote: saigon
                    Yes, dialogue is needed. I like to read comments a lot of new things. many knowledgeable people in different topics.
                    Well, they throw cons so what? Not much grief for me is the opinion and judgment of a person more important than consent. objection to which I am not right and minus - they gave me the picks. will be given again, passing it.
                    It’s nice to hear that the licks are not an end in itself for you, so the next rank will only benefit you.
            4. +4
              16 March 2018 19: 54
              Quote: Tatiana
              I am against the minuses in this case. I consider them superfluous now.

              Maybe you're right, but the pros and cons of the articles should be returned.
              1. +5
                16 March 2018 20: 12
                albert
                Quote: Tatiana
                I am against the minuses in this case. I consider them superfluous now.
                Maybe you're right, but the pros and cons of the articles should be returned.

                As for the pros and cons to the articles, all the time, misunderstandings turned out before. Namely.
                People did not evaluate the article, but their attitude to the event that she described.
                For example, someone died from ours. The article was set as a minus, as their attitude to the incident. And what does the author have to do with it? Not at all! They put a plus for the good news! Also, the author has nothing to do with it. Meanwhile, authors for articles also gain points, as well as users.
                Therefore, after many clarifications, we came to the conclusion that the article under the text is evaluated on the principle of "important." This allowed the site administration to conduct marketing to improve the choice of site topics - to determine what is important for readers and what is not. This is an extremely important moment in promoting the popularity of the site in the media!
                And to evaluate the quality of the article itself, as the work of the author, users have the opportunity in the comments. Write down what you agree with and not with the author.
              2. 0
                17 March 2018 11: 55
                Quote: albert
                Maybe you're right, but the pros and cons of the articles should be returned.

                To articles, of course.
                and to the commentators, no
            5. BAI
              +6
              16 March 2018 20: 13
              With a system with minuses - people will put a minus and without any opposition and their own arguments usually just rushed on. Dialogue does not work.

              Absolutely agree with you.
            6. +2
              17 March 2018 10: 58
              Tatyana
              I am against the minuses in this case. I consider them superfluous now

              Definitely, I am against the return of minuses in the form in which they were before. Repeatedly I saw how people with the correct point of view flew into the skulls and from the forum. On several topics, he himself could have flown away. Dissent will probably be suppressed.
              Cons against each post, but without removing the rating would be quite interesting.
          5. +10
            16 March 2018 19: 12
            Cons removed, people at first cursed, now seems to have calmed down. And now they want to return again ... request
            Something reminiscent of the presidential affairs of our current prime minister - Dmitry Anatolyevich and his game with time zones and the transition to winter time ... recourse And the question arises the same: And on .... why was all this ???
            1. +3
              17 March 2018 07: 32
              The authorities are now constantly changing the rules of the game, you don’t have time to follow the news. As an example, OSAGO. Why adopt such an experience, I also do not understand.
              For me, so these donkeys resemble a children's game, “Zarnitsa,” Or did some people not play enough in the sandbox?
              It is much more important for me to see the pros, i.e. the number of people who agree with the opinion. And the cons, who disagree, go out in a circle and fight. In this case, plus those who are beating in a circle.
              In short, I only propose to remove shoulder straps for it’s only the ches of a child’s EGO (not to be confused with the USE laughing ) and a reason to disassemble, judging by the comments of those present here. hi
              For representatives of the local government shoulder straps to leave. lol What epaulettes are at their discretion wink hi
              1. +3
                17 March 2018 09: 08
                DEDPIHTO
                In short, I only propose to remove shoulder straps for this is only the ches of a child’s EGO
                No, shoulder straps cannot be removed! I say it seriously !!!
                This is such a cherished "cherry" on the cake for everyone! Like a combat prize for units on military training maneuvers!
                This is such a chic, ingenious marketing move to promote the site, which is comparable to the genius of the author as a commander of the combat unit who applied it! I just admire this author’s marketing invention!
                Shoulder straps must not be underestimated! Especially on the site "Military Review"!
                I repeat. Shoulder straps are an incomparable psychologically positive marketing INVENTION of the author (s) of the site in the promotion of information products in the vast media on military topics.
                1. +2
                  17 March 2018 09: 24
                  love If you knew Tatyana, how I feel about the tribe of marketers ... angry
                  An example, before they produced very durable cars, then marketers came and. 3-5 years old and go buy the same thing, only with added whistle-farts, sorry. hi
                  1. +2
                    17 March 2018 10: 21
                    DEDPIHTO
                    If you knew Tatyana, how I feel about the tribe of marketers ... angry

                    hi I understand you. Unfortunately, this is a consequence of the pro-American monetarist economy imposed on the whole world - including the Russian Federation including the so-called monetarist economy. pseudo- “free” global market for capital, goods and labor.

                    Marketing has both positive and negative sides - and this depends on who and what a particular marketer serves.
                    Marketing rules need to know.
            2. +1
              17 March 2018 07: 50
              Well, most likely, Dmitry Medvedev in his childhood tapped on his little hands for hours, and got there and let's twist.
          6. +4
            16 March 2018 19: 22
            With 400 comments, you won’t become a general. Although for me this is also a mystery. There is an assumption that all of them were previously banned, and then returned with part of the rating, but already with zeroed comments.
            1. 0
              16 March 2018 20: 05
              Quote: siberalt
              With 400 comments, you won’t become a general. Although for me this is also a mystery. There is an assumption that all of them were previously banned, and then returned with part of the rating, but already with zeroed comments.

              but here some garbage passed like a subscription, maybe it?
              1. +3
                16 March 2018 21: 10
                If 1.000.000 is divided by 400, then a rating of 2500 for each post will be released. That is, no post, no less than 2500. But this is unprecedented in the forum. I’ve been here since the beginning of 2014 and have never seen anything like this. Maybe at least someone will give some kind of link to the marvelous look? belay
                1. +3
                  16 March 2018 21: 18
                  "Man with a shovel" in an argument, 2-3 years ago, as a "generalissimo", asked administrators to annul his rank to ordinary.
                  I changed my nickname from English to Russian, and got to the biggest epaulettes in a couple of months ....
                  Alexander is a gifted person. His comments are live. It doesn’t work.
                  1. +1
                    18 March 2018 13: 43
                    Hello Ilyich hi
                    I have ceased to be surprised. So - not so and so - not so. But whining without any specifics - this is please. So also communicate with such kindly "high calm", and they see this as an insult and complain.
                2. +1
                  17 March 2018 01: 15
                  Oleg, hi Well, let's say a major general is 200.000, and 1.000.000 is already an army general. By the way, with what I congratulate drinks In your case, I generally got up in a stupor when I looked in profile. 265 pages of comments, a hundred on each - I take off my hat hi True, 20 percent of each deleted for some reason. You should have been made a marshal in half a year, but for some reason, alas. How so?
                  1. +2
                    17 March 2018 17: 21
                    Before the reform, I had a rating weighing five and a half "denominated" marshals. Then the rating was halved for breaking the rules. Hence, 20% of losses. what And that night about 40 unexpectedly fell (which is ten times more than my daily "record") and the marshal turned out in a new rating address. It even became uncomfortable in front of the comrades. winked
                    1. +1
                      18 March 2018 11: 37
                      Well, when I looked at your profile, there before the army general was missing a couple of thousand in all. While reading - several times plus especially liked, apparently this was just enough. belay Now they’ll probably put me against the wall for this, or they will determine me as the enemy of the people. recourse
                      1. +2
                        18 March 2018 12: 33
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        Now they’ll probably put me against the wall for this, or they will determine me as the enemy of the people.

                        I can understand if they are offended by the minuses .... But when they are surprised by the pluses .... Some nonsense ...
                        Greetings, Sergey!
                        hi
                      2. +2
                        18 March 2018 12: 47
                        Accused of "conspiracy of the generals," at least. laughing
                    2. +1
                      18 March 2018 13: 45
                      Accused of "conspiracy of the generals," at least.

                      belay I’ll go while I cook the little things and dry the rusks. good drinks
            2. +16
              16 March 2018 21: 02
              With 400 comments, you won’t become a general.

              but we have a bunch of "field marshals generals" with stupid "cheers" slogans! to whom the main thing is to blather something earlier, louder, and “more patriotically”, even to unleash a nuclear war instantly from Zimbabwe, without getting up from the couch! they write frank nonsense, but everyone rejoices and applauds! negative is this a forum ?? is this a discussion ?? Yes, I'd rather be banned! am
              1. +6
                16 March 2018 21: 31
                Nikolay. I was recently at another forum, so they drive such bullshit there that you don’t know what to object to. The idiocy is complete.
                1. +10
                  16 March 2018 21: 46
                  Yes, God, Vladimir, this is all clear! You’ll even go to Shargun’s “free press” - checkmate, no one is fighting trolls. About the "mail" generally keep quiet. You see, I started logging on to the site in the 14th, then streams of dirt poured into our country, trolls raged, and comments were turned off on other sites. And "IN" seemed to me a place where they gathered normal people! Then it was necessary. But now .. Here we are hanging out on the "history" branch. Are there inadequacies there? There are even many. hi So try after the innovation at least once to disagree with the opinion of “cheers-communists”, supporters of pseudo-history, or blurt out something about “St. John the Terrible” and other hyperborean Great Russians under article of one storyteller! am how many minuses will you earn for disagreeing? what Yes, it’s you, and many more will be sent to the ban! and THEY (supporters of the general line of any article) will jump, shout slogans and rejoice! Do you need such a perspective ??? to me - no. I have my own opinion, which I do not impose on anyone, but do not want to depend on the opinion of some degenerate who cannot tear the fifth point from the chair, but she knows exactly how the universe works! am Sorry for the harsh words, but I brought in terms of philosophy. The rule should be: "Live! But do not bother others! And do not impose your will on them!"
                  1. +5
                    16 March 2018 22: 17
                    So it turns out that most impose their opinion. And if I do not agree? I have to grit my teeth, and bite the pillow. crying
                    1. +8
                      16 March 2018 22: 20
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      grit your teeth and gnaw a pillow

                      To the girlfriend ... And to creak a sofa .... lol
                  2. +3
                    17 March 2018 12: 04
                    Quote: Mikado
                    So try after the innovation at least once to disagree with the opinion of “cheers-communists”, supporters of pseudo-history, or blurt out something about “St. John the Terrible” and other Hyperborean Great Russians under the article of one storyteller! how many minuses will you earn for disagreeing? Yes, it’s you, and many more will be sent to the ban! and THEY (supporters of the general line of any article) will jump, shout slogans and rejoice! Do you need such a perspective ??? to me - no

                    And I don’t. Because it will be impossible to read a fresh, unusual commentary with a different assessment and look from the majority: they will “trample” it together with the author.
                    Quote: Mikado
                    "Live! But do not bother others! And do not impose your will on them!"

                    good hi
                    1. +4
                      17 March 2018 19: 11
                      And I don’t. Because it will be impossible to read a fresh, unusual commentary with a different assessment and look from the majority: they will “trample” it together with the author.

                      that’s why, Andrey, you and I can differ in views (and often even very much!), but almost always we sit on the same branch. hi drinks Yes, you said what I thought too. I bow! hi
                      1. +2
                        17 March 2018 19: 29
                        Quote: Mikado
                        that’s why, Andrey, you and I can differ in views (and often even very much!), but almost always we sit on the same branch

                        We can vary, yes, and thank God! After all, it is, after all, just INTERESTING!
                        And we can talk with an interesting interlocutor WITHOUT + or -.
                        Best regards hi
                    2. +4
                      17 March 2018 19: 39
                      Andrei hi
                      Because it will be impossible to read a fresh, unusual commentary with a different assessment and look from the majority: they will “trample” it together with the author.
                      Here they will be crushed by the minuses, and now you can read all the comments, if they were not deleted for violation. I’m not against the minuses, I’m against their careless use. I thought that the pros make people kinder, made a mistake with Crowe. He bit me for a splash. I’ll go to the hospital to get rabies vaccines.
                      1. +5
                        17 March 2018 19: 44
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        ... wrong with Crowe. He bit me for a splash. I'll go to the hospital ...

                        Plus. Definitely. Sergei hi
                      2. +6
                        21 March 2018 04: 46
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        Here they will be crushed by the minuses, and now you can read all the comments, if they were not deleted for violation. I’m not against the minuses, I’m against their careless use.

                        I, Sergey, somehow threw “sleepers” for speaking out disrespectfully of VAZ products. Am I to blame that the VAZ does not reach Toyota? I go to RAV-4 for the tenth year, twice a year for maintenance in a home garage for a specialist from the official Toyota center - and all 10 years, by and large, only pour kerosene and glass ...
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        I thought that the pros make people kinder, made a mistake with Crowe.

                        And you are not alone ... recourse
              2. +7
                16 March 2018 21: 53
                Quote: Mikado
                we have a bunch of "field marshals generals" with stupid "cheers" slogans! they write frank nonsense, but everyone rejoices and applauds! is this a forum ?? is this a discussion ?? Yes, I'd rather be banned!
                Hello Nikolai! hi The “ban” of marshals and generals worked best in the 30s. And the “minuses” were thrown there weakly, without too much discussion.Yes Yes, the "modera" of those years - not a couple of the current. laughing What do we have? We have democracy, and each individual, within the limits of what is permitted, has the right to throw out (well, or cast) everything that has accumulated on the darling. Ban all in half? Not an option, and boring without them. And if it is gagging, there is always an outlet called "History" or "Armament". In these sections, it’s more like silence, peace and comfort in the library, although it happens that they burst into it with swords. But they do not linger for a long time. Well, oh well, we will look, being above the battle. Therefore, I vote for "anyway." And yes, tomorrow, according to already federal law, the VO administration (which is the media, I saw the certificate) will simply have to ban agitators. And since Monday, the site, in theory, should be quieter and cleaner. Something like this. hi
                1. +6
                  16 March 2018 22: 14
                  Alexander, good evening!
                  We have democracy, and each individual, within the limits of what is permitted, has the right to throw out (well, or cast) everything that has accumulated on the darling.

                  Yes. But he has no right to influence my opinion! If I differ in violations of the rules of the site, or anti-Russian rhetoric, there is an administration for this!
                  And if it is gagging, there is always an outlet called "History" or "Armament".

                  for me she’s already two years.
                  .In these sections, she-bo, as in the library - silence, peace and comfort, although it happens, and sometimes they burst into it with swords naked. But they do not linger for a long time.

                  give these "cardboard cheers-patriotic marshals" a gun in their hands in the form of a "minus" - and we will fly out. A demoniac will pass on a branch - carcasses of light. hi
                  This I say, the former police captain Nikolai Mikhailov, living with you in the same area. I have the honor! soldier I want to believe in the mind and humanism ... and we get - "as always"! request
                  1. +3
                    16 March 2018 22: 53
                    Quote: Mikado
                    A demoniac will pass on a branch - carcasses of light.

                    For this purpose, as you rightly noted, there is a “dear editorial office”, which at such moments can always be “pre-opened eyes”, while not stooping to banal squealing.
                    Quote: Mikado
                    and we will fly out.

                    And us for what ?! laughing wassat
                    Quote: Mikado
                    I want to believe in the mind and humanism ... and we get - "as always"!

                    If black thoughts come to you
                    uncork champagne bottle ...
                    A.S. Pushkin
                    Sing, harmonica, chorus to spite
                    Sleeping cats in the shower
                    I'll ride a goat yet
                    So what the hell will get sick!
                    NOM
                    1. +6
                      16 March 2018 23: 18
                      I'll ride a goat yet
                      So what the hell will get sick!

                      when some storyteller on a branch of history (you understand who I’m talking about) writes that it was the Slavic-Russians who built the pyramids (and he will write!), just try not to jump and disagree! You’ll find yourself in the “same spot with the African American.” hi
                      1. +2
                        16 March 2018 23: 58
                        Quote: Mikado
                        when some storyteller on a branch of history (you understand who I’m talking about) writes that it was the Slavic-Russians who built the pyramids (and he will write!)

                        Ha, we have our own archivist for every storyteller. (I think you also understood who I was talking about). laughing
          7. 0
            16 March 2018 19: 26
            separation is better than forced sadness without comfort
          8. +9
            16 March 2018 19: 45
            Quote: Crowe
            ... Now the gangs of "plusers" will conduct their policies. Whoever disagrees with them is in the skull.
            People come to your senses! Your right to freedom of speech will be taken away from you. Take a look at how many false generals and false marshals have become: he himself saw the generals with 400 comments. They pissed me too, so that I would not rock the boat. They will minus you. Their -80 and -100 against the colonel's -25 - do not pull. Many will leave the site. Come to your senses! ...

            That is, at 400 comments, getting a label with the stars yourself is not me, it’s someone in my pants on ... laid belay
            You already decide - either wear underpants or remove the cross laughing
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                  16 March 2018 20: 33
                  and me ataman, chtoli!
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          9. +1
            16 March 2018 20: 43
            Quote: Crowe
            he saw the generals with 400 comments.

            Examples
            1. 0
              16 March 2018 21: 02
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Quote: Crowe
              he saw the generals with 400 comments.

              Examples

              Here is a striking example, he stood up for AndreiK.



              Military Review ● Alexanast
              Alexanast
              User: Alexanast
              Status: Online

              Number of comments 447 [Last comments]
              Website rating 254316
              1. +9
                16 March 2018 21: 25
                Quote: Crowe
                ... Here is a striking example, he stood up for AndreiK ...

                Hmm ... belay
                Listen, the logic is reinforced concrete, Psya is resting lol
                You have a gangster mania laughing
              2. +1
                16 March 2018 21: 28
                But didn’t you think that he could also write articles?
                there is another option, check its registration date and the dates of the first comments, I have lost 5 years for XNUMX comments
                1. 0
                  16 March 2018 21: 34
                  Publications - 0
                  Admins and moderators have many publications, but the marshal is only one of them.
                  1. +3
                    16 March 2018 22: 00
                    Quote: Crowe
                    Admins and moderators have many publications, but the marshal is only one of them.


                    Yes, God, we do not need these epaulets!
                    1. +2
                      17 March 2018 19: 44
                      Novel hi If epaulets were not needed, the site would lose half of the participants. Take off your epaulettes and check my argument. Well, as an experiment, at least for a month. Get the experience - back to the conversation.
                2. +4
                  16 March 2018 21: 42
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  But didn’t you think that he could also write articles?

                  Well, do not bother you, "offended" in someone else's dirty linen to dig. His hobby is to crawl through garbage cans. In Mi-6 gathered. Instead of Skripal ....
                  1. +3
                    16 March 2018 22: 53
                    Japatsstal for MI6. It is necessary to produce such materials every six months.
              3. 0
                16 March 2018 23: 05
                ask me babai through a search this is not, but give a full link to your personal page
                1. 0
                  17 March 2018 01: 34
                  Vladimir, for 7 years on the site did not learn how to find the right person? Well, go to your profile and in the address bar change the nickname to the one you are looking for. You will find the major general. But why do you need it? Will you wash the bones too?
                  1. 0
                    17 March 2018 12: 12
                    Well, your way to staying on the site is irrelevant, it’s more like network experience, I organized a search on the site, although it turned out to be easier through Yandex
                    1. 0
                      18 March 2018 12: 07
                      Just this method for the site. I really didn’t sit in networks and I don’t know how to use them. Your method is probably more suitable for searching a person in all networks? I just never set myself such a goal, and if I really need it, I just ask the owner for a link to his page.
                      1. +1
                        18 March 2018 18: 25
                        so there’s no master, a slander was erected on the master
                    2. 0
                      21 March 2018 13: 01
                      so there’s no master, a slander was erected on the master

                      So here he is, a little lower. request What to look for it then?
              4. +4
                17 March 2018 10: 01
                Quote: Crowe
                User: Alexanast


                Unlike you, I’ve been here a long time.
                And I do not jump from branch to branch, so that the first comment is inserted.
                The article just came out, and the crow has already been marked ....
                So which of us is a careerist?
                I already wrote to you, bird - be simpler and people will reach for you ...
                And if you can’t create your own company, then sit and don’t croak.
          10. +15
            16 March 2018 21: 47
            Hearing karkusha, I reached the generalissimo on this site, like many of my friends, Then they asked me to remove shoulder straps, it’s not about shoulder straps, we tried to find a compromise, the truth between different countries, I respect Igor, Professor, Sanya (they are from Israel). We could argue to the snot about the quality of weapons of our countries, but we respected each other and always fought against racism on this site. Dear admins, return the site to the pros. Otherwise, he is released to the level of seagulls, one shouted, and the whole crowd for shoulder straps begins to yell. Vadim, remember how articles were made, not for the granny, as the pros respected the opinion. Where is now at least one article from the pros? Analytics does not count, any comparative analysis will do. We will not consider reposts either. (A local comrade sent me a repost of my article published on VO, only he took the material from another channel)
            1. +3
              16 March 2018 22: 04
              Quote: Armata
              We could argue about the quality of weapons of our countries, but we respected each other, and always fought against racism on this site.


              So. It was.

              Quote: Armata
              Dear admins return the site of the pro. Otherwise, he is released to the level of gulls, one shouted, and the whole crowd for epaulets, starts yelling


              So no one drove anyone like. Even forgiven systematically and regularly.

              Quote: Armata
              Where is at least one article from the pros?


              Everything is bad? And why don't you write not here, but where they read those to whom you refer? Populism?
          11. +5
            16 March 2018 21: 52
            Quote: Crowe
            Now the gangs of "positives" will conduct their policies. Who does not agree with them - in the skull.
            People come to your senses! Your right to freedom of speech will be taken away from you. Take a look at how many false generals and false marshals have become: he himself saw the generals with 400 comments. They pissed me too, so that I would not rock the boat. They will minus you. Their -80 and -100 against the colonel's -25 - do not pull. Many will leave the site. Come to your senses!

            And how many left? And the most literate!
          12. +6
            16 March 2018 22: 00
            Quote: Crowe
            Come to your senses!

            "People of the world!
            Stand for a second!
            Listen up! Listen - there are only enemies around
            !!!! "
            wassat
          13. +4
            17 March 2018 08: 29
            Quote: Crowe
            People come to your senses! Your right to freedom of speech will be taken away from you.

            What kind of dirty nature ... Bulk changed clothes or what? What do you cause confusion here, pour out bile? Are you having problems at home? Do some useful work!

            True, it recalls the events of 38 of the year ... the side that the denunciations wrote!
          14. +9
            17 March 2018 08: 37
            Quote: Crowe
            People come to your senses! You will be taken away the right to freedom of speech

            Do not take away. You will still be free to write whatever comes to your mind.
            But at the same time you will have to think about how what you have expressed will affect your, um, reting. And, accordingly, somewhere "filter the market."
            IMHO this is absolutely right, otherwise they set up a greenhouse here ... an aquarium for trolls ... "whatever I want, I’m screaming, and I won’t get anything for it."
            And now there will be Yes
          15. +3
            17 March 2018 09: 20
            Come to your senses!

            It remains to repent call. smile
          16. +1
            17 March 2018 13: 21
            Quote: Crowe
            People come to your senses! Your right to freedom of speech will be taken away from you.

            I fully support.
            At the abolition of the minuses, the "daughters of Soviet officers" crawled into the generals and marshals in the amount of "name is legion to us."
            I think that the admins removed the minuses for this.
            Now the "daughters of Soviet officers" have gained strength and you can return the cons so that they would drive those who disagree in the cons.
            In short, they will introduce cons, on the site you can not go to comments.
            IMHO.
            hi
          17. +1
            17 March 2018 19: 59
            And what does it matter? Afraid of being demoted? Or will there be motivation to utter indisputable common truths?
          18. +1
            19 March 2018 20: 06
            Why do you need virtual shoulder straps ?! They can’t take off the real ones ..........
        2. +16
          16 March 2018 18: 58
          Warnings are removed. It is in a year.
          1. +4
            16 March 2018 19: 10
            Today you will get pluses, like your answers! So from May begin to decrease. One at a time or all at once? All nine?
          2. +7
            16 March 2018 20: 09
            Quote: Banshee
            Warnings are removed. It is in a year.

            ... My "four", the second year has gone - I ask "4 to reset the counter"
            1. +4
              16 March 2018 20: 34
              Sasha, hello! hi I have the way too! still for Zhukov received
              1. +4
                16 March 2018 21: 11
                hi ... Well, once they wrote:
                Banshee
                Warnings are removed. It is in a year.
                ... So they’ll take off drinks
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          5. +12
            16 March 2018 20: 50
            The novel, taking into account the fact that cheer-patriotic moods often play a very large role on the site (indeed it is!), The introduction of minuses will sometimes lead to the removal of people who get out of this very framework of cheers-patriotism. Let me explain - many are afraid to enter the site simply. Because they will say clever comments, and they will be deceived by slogans. Excuse me, I myself have not left comments on the “news” and “opinions” for a long time, because instead of discussing, there is a shower of slogans, often silly: "wow, we are the strongest! wow, we will defeat everyone!"The same thing happens in other sections. The introduction of cons will mean "the power of the crowd". And after some time, the esteemed administration, and including you with the sincerely esteemed Domocles, will write articles demanding - "People, change your mind!" hi that is, we must understand what the site itself is - a platform for pleasant communication, or a platform for slogans and abuse with dissenting people. There will be a lot of reasons: you do not like Grudinin / Nicholas II / the ancient Slavic gods (insert the necessary) - "minus", do not like the "ancient Hyperborean Slavs according to Samsonov" - "minus", did not agree with the jingo-patriots who are ready right now to gag with the atomic bomb Washington / Kiev / residence of the opponent - "MINUS". My opinion is that you can’t enter the cons right now. Otherwise, only "couch patriots" will remain on the site, and the discussion will go into oblivion. And for the deduction of "flying trololo" the forum itself and moderators must work. hi there is nothing to be ashamed of complaining about an insult or trolling - this is our site, it should not turn into a garbage dump, there is no place for “vagrants” here. soldier
            1. +2
              17 March 2018 20: 05
              The discussion will not go away. It would be a matter of discussion and people who have something to say.
              And there will be pros and cons, there will be no pluses or minuses - nothing will change. And you can’t save on salaries for officers.

              "And plant these in the Duma.
              Things will go no worse for them.
              But they don’t ask "(c)
              1. +3
                17 March 2018 20: 08
                The discussion will not go away. It would be a matter of discussion and people who have something to say.

                won't go away. I suddenly realized that we would certainly defend the "native sandbox" with our mighty bunch. soldier drinks
                1. +3
                  17 March 2018 20: 11
                  “You're lying,” I scream. "Naughty" - screaming.
                  But also the spirit of ambition. "(C).
                  1. +4
                    18 March 2018 11: 35
                    "Well, of course, I ran .. I called moderation .. "They kill, I say, right on the couch!"(rephrase Vladimir Semenovich) drinks
          6. +6
            16 March 2018 20: 57
            Yeah. You put me in a bathhouse for three weeks, so I climbed onto another site. I. Yeeeeelki ... There are Bandera people around. Here, I’m sort of breaching with them, as far as possible. I'm tired already. Fair.
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          1. +1
            16 March 2018 20: 39
            Totally agree good
        4. +3
          16 March 2018 21: 34
          Looking for cons in the comments on BO?

          It is useless to rearrange beds.

          PS but if you really thought it over - let there be marshals with skulls.
        5. 0
          17 March 2018 13: 17
          Quote: siberalt
          Warnings could be “amnestied”, at least once a year, as a disciplinary punishment, not “left forever stigmatized.”

          With both hands - FOR! good
        6. 0
          17 March 2018 20: 58
          Quote: siberalt
          Warnings could be pardoned at least once a year,


          What kind of holiday is this?
        7. 0
          18 March 2018 13: 55
          Quote: siberalt
          , do not "stigmatize forever."

          Smiled ... smile
      3. +11
        16 March 2018 18: 36
        Yes, yes, I also have a couple of flights. I would like to get rid. Now I don’t dabble anymore, I obey my mother, eat porridge, and all such of myself is right. feel
      4. +1
        16 March 2018 19: 18
        Same trouble feel In this situation, I’m ready to immediately get 500 pieces bully
      5. +2
        19 March 2018 15: 12
        I support with two hands!
    2. +26
      16 March 2018 18: 06
      But, approximately in a couple of months, if the public votes "for" the return of the "minuses", the implementation of this functionality is possible.

      On the site, the cons seemed to be canceled before the elections to the State Duma. I said that the elections will be held and the minuses will be returned. But no, I was mistaken. Now everything is clear: the presidential election will be held, and cons can be returned. Everything is right! If cons were resolved during the presidential election campaign, then the site would have blushed from the cons of Putin’s opponents. In their frenzied criticism of the president, normal website visitors who support Putin’s policies would be mercilessly bombarded. Well, now, after the elections, let them minus from the heart. smile
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            1. 0
              16 March 2018 19: 28
              sleeps without a mattress?
              on stones or sawdust?
            2. +9
              16 March 2018 19: 32
              Quote: Nagan
              ... You, dear, anti-Americanism has become an obsession, you need to be treated. By the way, with orientation and identification itself, how? Usually who is the loudest screaming "hold the thief"? ...

              Dear, I will deal with my ideas without strangers, as well as with diagnoses.
              For what purpose are you interested in orientation?
              Did you hear about sodomy?
          3. +5
            16 March 2018 20: 10
            No need to do a minus with any tool. Let it be just a colleague’s attitude to the voiced idea and opinion. Plus, leave it with all the properties. The confrontation will become less tense. Honestly, I relate to this arithmetic.
        2. +16
          16 March 2018 18: 37
          Quote: GIGAN
          For me, the "putinoids" are possessed fool

          laughing laughing You minus. Enter the minus in the "turtles" die. laughing
          1. +3
            16 March 2018 20: 10
            Quote: Monos
            Quote: GIGAN
            For me, the "putinoids" are possessed fool

            laughing laughing You minus. Enter the minus in the "turtles" die. laughing

            but not a fact, lovers of red are plentiful
        3. +11
          16 March 2018 18: 37
          Quote: GIGAN
          For me, the "putinoids" are possessed

          Where to us, before the State Department he sang along! tongue
        4. +29
          16 March 2018 18: 40
          Quote: GIGAN
          For me, the "putinoids" are possessed fool

          My dear man, now I’ve definitely decided, cons are needed Yes I would surely have slapped you wholeheartedly and not for the position. I respect her, as well as your opinion, but for RUDNESS, no one is nice to you, not a “sternum”, “neither Sobchakonoid”, and you will vote for whom your right and business, but your opponents do not need to be rude. hi
          Quote: Wend
          If you do not like the article or comment, write with what I disagree, discuss, operate on the facts. And so the minus does not agree and "went further", and the author does not understand what the minuses are.

          And for this Anatoly can do this, click on the number of likes and a window opens where you could see who voted against and who voted for and you can ask to justify what is minus or plus, I registered when there was an unconscious plus and minus, but before there were also completely frank Russophobes and matyuzhniks being driven into the skulls. People thought that they wrote in the comments, and not like now, but I do not like this one and it went and went. hi hi
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            1. +10
              16 March 2018 18: 55
              Quote: GIGAN
              I’m not campaigning for anyone. I criticize only the current government ... Think a little and you will be happy ... love

              Once again, thank God that you are not campaigning, this campaigning on the site got so much, many simply left the site before the 19th day and it is not known whether to criticize, but for God's sake, criticize with arguments and facts, and not with pouring inoids on each other and demoniac, we are all citizens of one country and wish it prosperity and development, and in disputes, as they say, truth is born, and in insults only scuffle and who needs it. hi hi
              1. +3
                16 March 2018 19: 08
                Something Mikhan is not visible by the way ... how can now without him. sad
                1. +9
                  16 March 2018 19: 11
                  Quote: Archivist Vasya
                  Something Mikhan is not visible by the way ... how can now without him. sad

                  In the bathhouse of a colleague, our political officer, feel Washes away his sins. request
                  1. +3
                    16 March 2018 19: 32
                    So he swore ... Really violated?
                    1. +8
                      16 March 2018 22: 56
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Really violated?

                      I told him to get drunk ... and not just me.
                      But, see, not a horse request
                      1. +1
                        16 March 2018 23: 08
                        And without Mikhan it’s boring. And Gridasov is writing something wrong. recourse
              2. 0
                16 March 2018 20: 10
                Do not pull the blanket over you and you will be happy hi
                1. +4
                  16 March 2018 21: 38
                  Do not pull the blanket over you and you will be happy

                  What is it? Only exceptional allowed? Is everyone else a “taboo"?
            2. +2
              16 March 2018 23: 01
              You do not criticize, you insult. You didn’t grow up to criticism.
          2. +10
            16 March 2018 19: 39
            Quote: vovanpain
            justify for which minus or plus

            Yes, there were already proposals of this kind, something like that - an assessment can only be put after a comment in which you will justify your assessment. On the one hand it’s right, but on the other each will justify each his own assessment, then the discussion of the material will consist of a mass of homogeneous kamenty. And such a discussion is unlikely to be interesting to read.
            And about the return of minuses, personally I xs - maybe right, maybe not. Mb is worth introducing some kind of limit on the number of affixed ratings.
            But what I would definitely like is the introduction of another button - Flud. It is no secret that there are many people who scribble tons of komentas that do not carry any meaning (as an example, the first kament from this topic), and through which you have to make your way. And if such a kament gains a certain number of ratings Flud, then it must be checked by the moderator. The moderator checked, and if he agreed that this is really a flood, then the kament is deleted. Together with the pros. I think this will reduce the amount of garbage.
            1. +7
              16 March 2018 20: 00
              Quote: rkkasa 81
              But what I would definitely like is the introduction of another button - Flood

              Alexey hi The moderators now either delete comments or send comments before the flood, I myself have two blinders for this, but the idea is correct. Hello Vasya, hello Petya. In PM you can talk, but it’s better to talk about the news on the topic. hi
              1. +6
                16 March 2018 23: 38
                Stroporez famously said - hello Bear, Grishka, horseradish, monkey. laughing
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        1. +3
          16 March 2018 18: 39
          Quote: OBEREG
          And in this regard, the cons will be useful, reducing the ardor of both trolls and the hot heads of normal members of the forum.

          True: minus minus - it turns out a plus! Yes
          1. +2
            16 March 2018 19: 25
            And who will determine the temperature of the head of each member of the forum? Are you or me? laughing Who comes home from the cold, it seems to him that everyone is hot, and so what?
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        2. +15
          16 March 2018 18: 53
          Quote: OBEREG
          And here the question is posed as soon as the modernization has not responded to the comments of the troll or the provocateur, the forum users with hot heads have time to answer his work on the VO and, when the modernization begins to remove and ban the troll, normal forum users who just did not pass by . And in the end, trolls knock out normal visitors from the clip of the site, as the moderators ban them to the heap with the troll.

          I apologize for the immodesty, I want to share my experience ... I am a moderator on a music site. We have such a system there: there are pros and cons. When you hover over a quantity, a list of those who put these pluses and minuses appears. And when you hover the cursor over the nickname under the rating, you can see all the ratings of the person, and the pros and cons. So we identify the trolls and those who are minus the specific author of the comment. Someone explains his position, someone does not. But for the constant and unreasonable minus of people just bans without any problems. Something like that...
          If the Administration is interested, I can drop the screenshots in the LAN.
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            1. +7
              16 March 2018 19: 21
              Quote: OBEREG
              As a result, modernization is not very well understood ... there is abuse, it is necessary to punish everyone, and not just the one who started this abuse.

              The moderator's task is to oversee the participants' compliance with the site rules and the purity of their comments. You can be right a thousand times right in a debate with an opponent but by allowing a mate, insult, rudeness in the response, you violate the VO rules in respect of it, which entails a corresponding punishment. Do not respond to rudeness, rudeness, insult to insult, watch the speech. If you are provoked, trolled, you are rude, for such cases, under each comment there is an option "Complaint", your application will not be left without attention. hi
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          3. +3
            16 March 2018 19: 11
            Quote: helmi8
            If the Administration is interested, I can drop the screenshots in the LAN.

            Please send Vadim Smirnov with a description of the functional \, (at the very bottom of the main page of the site the "contacts" option) I think that your proposal has a rational kernel.
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          5. +4
            16 March 2018 19: 30
            The idea is good. But having seen the list of minuses, the touchy forum member will minus them in return without even reading their posts. The Cold War forum will begin. belay
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      3. +6
        16 March 2018 19: 03
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Now everything is clear: the presidential election will be held, and you can return the minuses. That's right! If the minuses were resolved during the presidential election campaign, the site would turn red from the minuses of Putin’s opponents.


        Dope Two years ago, we foresaw all this? A compliment, however ...
        1. Don
          0
          16 March 2018 20: 50
          YOU are one of the moderators, as I understand it?
      4. +4
        16 March 2018 20: 55
        Quote: SRC P-15
        But, approximately in a couple of months, if the public votes "for" the return of the "minuses", the implementation of this functionality is possible.

        On the site, the cons seemed to be canceled before the elections to the State Duma. I said that the elections will be held and the minuses will be returned. But no, I was mistaken. Now everything is clear: the presidential election will be held, and cons can be returned. Everything is right! If cons were resolved during the presidential election campaign, then the site would have blushed from the cons of Putin’s opponents. In their frenzied criticism of the president, normal website visitors who support Putin’s policies would be mercilessly bombarded. Well, now, after the elections, let them minus from the heart. smile

        I also believed and defended the president for a long time, but he seemed to want to spit on us all taken together, the main thing was his gang of liberal thieves and not to offend them. The tradition of "forward kicking" from top positions in Russia continues.
    3. +22
      16 March 2018 18: 09
      I don’t see the point. If you do not like the article or comment, write with what I disagree, discuss, operate on the facts. And so the minus does not agree and "went further", and the author does not understand what the minuses are.
      1. +10
        16 March 2018 18: 26
        Quote: Wend
        I don’t see the point. If you do not like the article or comment, write with what I disagree, discuss, operate on the facts. And so the minus does not agree and "went further", and the author does not understand what the minuses are.

        Partly support. I am for the return of the minus, but through justification, so that there remains the possibility of a "conversation" during which the parties could either reasonably convince the opponent, or admit their cant if the opponent has reinforced concrete arguments and is right. Of course, I come across pretzels that come purely to troll the audience - it’s raining on the head of the minuses, but the bulk of the site’s visitors are quite decent interlocutors.
        1. +1
          16 March 2018 20: 57
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          for the return of the minus, but through justification

          Only a brief justification, and then again a new comment is obtained.
        2. +4
          16 March 2018 22: 45
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          reasonably convince an opponent

          I see idealism in your words. Each person has his own position, this is a utopia in the comments of anyone to convince anyone, in my opinion this is possible only in technical matters, and then, a different level of knowledge does not always make it possible to reach out to the opponent. The second point - the topic can be buried in the rationale for the pros and cons. The third point is lyrical digressions like "how healthy life is, how much it took to the chest, etc., they just clog up the exchange of opinions, there is a personal message, chat. Who cares what minus take an interest in, again in a personal one. There will definitely be more discussions organized. "Pretzels" are not very many, I think moderators could handle. Something like this.
      2. +6
        16 March 2018 18: 31
        Now, if the “minus” could not be put without argument ...
        1. +9
          16 March 2018 19: 02
          Quote: reservist
          Now, if the “minus” could not be put without argument ...

          Little of:
          - who has the title even before the captain, then only those with a captain and above cannot put cons. (this is for randomly entered trolls of minusculeers).
          - Further, the cons become visible only starting with three to five pieces and above. (And then I saw a minus and then another forum member sculpts him without reading the contents).
          - the limit of minuses is either by time 1 in 5 minutes, or by the total number in the chat, for example, not more than 5, and the higher the rank by 1 minus can be added from the star. (so that on the right and on the left anyhow how not to give out awards, but to think who cares and who to consciously skip because the business says).
        2. +8
          16 March 2018 19: 28
          Quote: reservist
          Now, if the "minus" without argument could not be put

          And yes, I forgot to write. As minutes are pressed, a window immediately appears with argumentation of minus for example:
          - Troll
          - Provocateur
          - Inadequate
          - Matershinnik
          - Liar
          - Other (where you need to type 3-4 words to explain the reason)
          The number of arguments can be expanded at the discretion of the administration.
          After that, at least there will be statistics for which he is punished. All statistics can be looked at by moving the mouse cursor over the number of minuses where this window will be displayed with the number of minuses for each line.
          1. +3
            16 March 2018 20: 13
            Quote: Irokez
            - Other (where you need to type 3-4 words to explain the reason)


            all these words are entered in the filter .. laughing
            1. +1
              16 March 2018 20: 45
              Quote: vorobey
              all these words are entered in the filter

              The Russian language is rich and can be translated by analogs (in cultural words). love
            2. +1
              16 March 2018 21: 45
              Sanya hi The Russian language is multifaceted, there is always a replacement. wink
      3. +12
        16 March 2018 18: 41
        After canceling the minuses, it became much easier on the forum to breathe from all sorts of rabble of random or intentional "aliens". The forum has become much more democratic and cleaner from the obscene. How can one explain the fact that after the cancellation of the minuses, the stray fake guns disappeared somewhere or became a rarity? It already smelled like a crowd effect. A couple of three voiced statements against and rushed!
        Again about black epaulets. As soon as someone earned them out of inability to integrate into the stream (outline) of the forum, he was immediately buried with minuses to the skulls on the shoulder straps.
        In the current version, an empty (zero) post can already indicate its rejection by the forum participants or that it "hooked no one. But in any case, this is already perceived as a minus. Is there still an additional symbolic mark for this? It seems that this is not at all required.
        1. +4
          16 March 2018 18: 47
          Quote: siberalt
          After canceling the minuses, it became much easier on the forum to breathe from all sorts of rabble of random or intentional "aliens". The forum has become much more democratic and cleaner from the obscene. How can one explain the fact that after the cancellation of the minuses, the stray fake guns disappeared somewhere or became a rarity? It already smelled like a crowd effect. A couple of three voiced statements against and rushed!
          Again about black epaulets. As soon as someone earned them out of inability to integrate into the stream (outline) of the forum, he was immediately buried with minuses to the skulls on the shoulder straps.
          In the current version, an empty (zero) post can already indicate its rejection by the forum participants or that it "hooked no one. But in any case, this is already perceived as a minus. Is there still an additional symbolic mark for this? It seems that this is not at all required.

          I agree with your arguments. I was often buried with minuses in the beginning.
          1. +5
            16 March 2018 19: 07
            Quote: Wend
            I was often buried with minuses at the beginning.


            But you also dig out. Not?
            1. +4
              16 March 2018 19: 21
              Quote: Banshee
              Quote: Wend
              I was often buried with minuses at the beginning.


              But you also dig out. Not?


              I remember the bad longer .... By the way, the novel should be included in the filter in the light of recent events ... Beginner .. laughing Considering that the site is really honored by the eyes of others lol
              1. +1
                16 March 2018 19: 38
                Quote: vorobey
                By the way, the novel needs to include another word in the filter in the light of recent events ... Novice .. laughing considering that the site is actually being read by someone else's eyes lol


                Ah ... U ... Exactly! Add.
                1. +6
                  16 March 2018 21: 50
                  But what about him?
                  1. +3
                    17 March 2018 01: 43
                    To the confessor, it’s just that ... laughing laughing Fate wassat wassat
                    1. +1
                      18 March 2018 12: 23
                      To him with confession, it’s the best thing ..

                      And where to apply with voluntary recognition? I, too, just in case of fire, will file, and then suddenly Svarog will be included in the filter. tongue I’ll get stuck in the filter, but my bear will crawl through and do this without me. laughing
          2. 0
            16 March 2018 22: 51
            Quote: Wend
            Quote: siberalt
            After canceling the minuses, it became much easier on the forum to breathe from all sorts of rabble of random or intentional "aliens". The forum has become much more democratic and cleaner from the obscene. How can one explain the fact that after the cancellation of the minuses, the stray fake guns disappeared somewhere or became a rarity? It already smelled like a crowd effect. A couple of three voiced statements against and rushed!
            Again about black epaulets. As soon as someone earned them out of inability to integrate into the stream (outline) of the forum, he was immediately buried with minuses to the skulls on the shoulder straps.
            In the current version, an empty (zero) post can already indicate its rejection by the forum participants or that it "hooked no one. But in any case, this is already perceived as a minus. Is there still an additional symbolic mark for this? It seems that this is not at all required.

            For such a citation, too, must be minus, it's just cluttering up the discussion.
        2. +2
          16 March 2018 19: 03
          Put a plus! Sensible justification, leave everything as it is! good
          1. +5
            16 March 2018 19: 37
            I do not agree! I want to see how many people are against my opinion.
            1. +1
              17 March 2018 15: 36
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              I want to see how many people are against my opinion.

              What for?! belay
      4. +3
        16 March 2018 18: 50
        Quote: Wend
        I don’t see the point. If you do not like the article or comment, write with what I disagree, discuss, operate on the facts. And so the minus does not agree and "went further", and the author does not understand what the minuses are.

        So that’s the point, dear Wend, that the frenzied comrades on both sides of the coast somehow forget that they just need to argue their opinion, so there are comments after which I really want to put a minus, because the arguments in the comment are just dumb assaults with invented facts and stories, and those who are with them in the same boat quickly throw pluses and throw op, la “captains” a couple of days after registration.
        1. +5
          16 March 2018 18: 53
          Quote: AndreyS
          Quote: Wend
          I don’t see the point. If you do not like the article or comment, write with what I disagree, discuss, operate on the facts. And so the minus does not agree and "went further", and the author does not understand what the minuses are.

          So that’s the point, dear Wend, that the frenzied comrades on both sides of the coast somehow forget that they just need to argue their opinion, so there are comments after which I really want to put a minus, because I can justify my attacks on the current or future the ruler is simply not going to, and those who are with them in the same boat quickly throw a plus sign and op, la “captains” a couple of days after registration.

          Against me, there was often one comment of 5 minuses, and sometimes more. It is better to cancel epaulets, and do not enter cons.
          1. +2
            16 March 2018 20: 21
            Quote: Wend
            Here against me often there was 5 minus one comment

            What garbage, about two hundred do not want?
          2. AUL
            +4
            17 March 2018 09: 26
            Quote: Wend
            It is better to cancel epaulets, and do not enter cons.

            Absolutely correct thought! By the way, the number of stupid comments will drop sharply, and the number of site participants. But this is the case that Lenin said - "Better less, but better!"
            1. 0
              17 March 2018 15: 41
              Quote from AUL
              By the way, the number of stupid comments will drop sharply

              Certainly, because the incentive to write them (gain as many advantages as possible) will be lost.
              Quote from AUL
              and the number of site members.

              Why so? Just readers will leave less empty comments.
              It is better.
    4. +6
      16 March 2018 18: 19
      dada, and so that as before big numbers are green or red! so that immediately. and then a lot of empty comments or populist ....
    5. +3
      16 March 2018 20: 06
      Minus the fool will not fix, plus truth will not add - but that is not the point!
    6. +1
      16 March 2018 20: 23
      Quote: RASKAT
      Twenty cons, tribunal and execution. laughing
      soldier ... 30 - to the Fine
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        1. +13
          16 March 2018 22: 45
          Svarog51

          I wanted to clarify with you about NEXUS, ...
          What happened?
          It seems he was always in adequate?
          1. +1
            17 March 2018 01: 51
            I did not see what topic, but I know for sure that he received an eternal bath. For what sins, I also don’t know.
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      1. +1
        16 March 2018 22: 12
        Would you climb into someone else's pocket. You look, and in your everything would be normal.

        And do not be so happy. Everything is fine with us. And that is why we can afford it.
    8. 0
      17 March 2018 01: 37
      Pros and cons of this class! It would be nice to know who put you a minus, and who is a plus ..
    9. +1
      17 March 2018 16: 05
      Quote: RASKAT
      Twenty cons, tribunal and execution. laughing

      Without the right to correspond ... wink
      1. +1
        21 March 2018 13: 34
        Without the right to correspond ...
        good
        With reference .... to the Maldives ... forever.
    10. +1
      18 March 2018 02: 08
      After the cancellation of the minuses, everything became as everywhere, illiterate, unfounded, boring!
  2. +12
    16 March 2018 17: 55
    How many over the past year there have been cries on the theme “Return the minuses !!!” ... How many, apparently, tears were wiped out at night ... Well, everything is now in your hands)))
    1. +12
      16 March 2018 18: 00
      let there be cons!
      1. +9
        16 March 2018 18: 04
        Let there be a minus wink are you here at work or what? lol
        1. +12
          16 March 2018 18: 11
          Quote: GIGAN
          Let there be a minus wink are you here at work or what? lol

          Here for such a comment, you could safely put a "minus"
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            1. +11
              16 March 2018 18: 43
              Quote: GIGAN
              ... did you change the shoes of a German-Russian patriot? laughing But what about the old nickname rusland? lol...

              I am making a comment to you.
              Do not be rude, write in Russian correctly - "patriot".
              1. +3
                16 March 2018 18: 52
                I wrote it specifically for the pyramidon! I am writing in Cyrillic, so why don’t you give comments to those who have Latin letters wassat Pyramidon used to have nickname Russland ...?
                1. +9
                  16 March 2018 19: 09
                  Quote: GIGAN
                  ... I wrote it specifically for the pyramidon! I am writing in Cyrillic, so why don’t you give comments to those who have Latin letters wassat Pyramidon used to have nickname Russland ...? ...

                  Well, let's say who writes what nickname to himself - this is everyone’s business, although I agree with you: a nickname in Latin, on a Russian site, the eye hurts. But not critical, this is the user's own business Yes
                  What was your nickname before?
                  You registered 10 days ago, but you know what Piramidon had lol
                  I can say for myself. I speak my opinion in person, I don’t change my shoes in flight, the nickname is in Russian and corresponds to the word nickname itself - this is the name that my parents called me hi
                  1. +3
                    16 March 2018 19: 23
                    Plus for you ... I, too, under my own name
                  2. +2
                    16 March 2018 19: 32
                    Fight! But I did not comment, I read more, delirium of the comrades, agitating their current government! Well, what if a friend from the near abroad doesn’t really write in Russian ?! A patriot or a patriot ... Yes, and many write on phones where there is an auto-replacement and it is not always possible to fix a mistake in time, what now is all this warning? request I also do not bustle and I say as it is and I will not be freed before you.
                    1. +6
                      16 March 2018 20: 14
                      Quote: GIGAN
                      ... But I did not comment, I read more ...

                      It is necessary, even necessary, to express one’s point of view. For this, everyone gathered here.
                      ... Well, what if a friend from near abroad doesn’t write very well in Russian?! ...

                      In Russian it is written through a hyphen - in Russian, no offense. As for comrades from neighboring countries, young people are not up to discussions about who is older - they speak competent speech, with very few exceptions.
                      ... a patriot or patriot ...

                      Verification word "country"(Greek) - fatherland.
                      ... I also don’t bustle and I say as it is and I won’t be liars before you ...

                      He didn’t even imagine that he should be fooled before me. This is absolutely useless - it’s enough to have your own opinion, which you can clearly, reasonably, competently and not be rude Yes
                  3. +12
                    16 March 2018 21: 29
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    Quote: GIGAN
                    ... I wrote it specifically for the pyramidon! I am writing in Cyrillic, so why don’t you give comments to those who have Latin letters wassat Pyramidon used to have nickname Russland ...? ...

                    Well, let's say who writes what nickname to himself - this is everyone’s business, although I agree with you: a nickname in Latin, on a Russian site, the eye hurts. But not critical, this is the user's own business Yes
                    What was your nickname before?
                    You registered 10 days ago, but you know what Piramidon had lol
                    I can say for myself. I speak my opinion in person, I don’t change my shoes in flight, the nickname is in Russian and corresponds to the word nickname itself - this is the name that my parents called me hi

                    Andrew, good evening hi Zhigan in each of his opponents sees me, even somehow pleasantly. smile
                    1. +2
                      16 March 2018 22: 28
                      Quote: Rusland
                      Zhigan in each of his opponents sees me, even somehow pleasantly.

                      I would like to understand why he connected me with you. I can’t understand. He has absolutely no logic.
                      1. +5
                        16 March 2018 23: 07
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        ... I would like to understand why he connected me with you. I can’t understand. He has absolutely no logic ...

                        Stepan, you and I are somewhere on the forum, once even ordered something to each other. I did not suspect that you are also the guru of this child lol
                        It’s impossible to understand how it’s crammed into the unplanned, therefore you can’t catch the opponent’s logic laughing
                    2. +5
                      16 March 2018 23: 05
                      Quote: Rusland
                      ... Zhigan in each of his opponents sees me, even somehow pleasantly. smile...

                      Be healthy Vitaliy hi
                      Strongly from "amenities" do not be arrogant, you see what authority, rave about you laughing
                  4. +1
                    25 March 2018 11: 30
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    a nickname in Latin, on a Russian site, the eye hurts.

                    For many, this is a matter of habit, sitting in the subcortex since the very first win, in order to avoid font collisions, denote the names in Latin letters, yet we are sitting on bourgeois OSs.
                    1. +4
                      25 March 2018 11: 49
                      Quote: zhekazs
                      ... For many, this is a matter of habit, sitting in the subcortex since the very first win, in order to avoid font conflicts, denote the names in Latin letters, yet we are sitting on bourgeois OSs ...

                      Eugene, this is everyone’s business - how to write and how to be called. I do not impose my opinion. But still I insist on respect for my alphabet and mother tongue hi
                2. +4
                  16 March 2018 21: 30
                  Quote: GIGAN
                  Pyramidon used to have nickname Russland ...?

                  Where did you get that I had the nickname "Russland"? Or do you, like that aunt May from foggy Albion, pass off your fantasies as reality? Those who are interested know me by name through the profile ...
      2. AUL
        +13
        16 March 2018 18: 08
        I would like it to be necessary when explaining the minus to explain with my comment what the minus is for. Without comment, minus would not be counted. And if you just return the cons - I am against!
        But the black list is desperately needed! And then some individuals so mess up the site that it is impossible to read!
        1. +2
          16 March 2018 18: 10
          it would be necessary to clarify with your comment


          how?

          I apologize very much, but I put you a minus because I think that ...


          So ?
          1. AUL
            +4
            16 March 2018 18: 15
            it would be necessary to clarify with your comment
            how?
            I apologize very much, but I put you a minus because I think that ...
            So ?
            It's hard to answer stupid questions ...
            1. +1
              16 March 2018 21: 54
              I'm talking about a technical question. Will it be possible to put a minus only after you have argued, leaving your answer under the comment? The icon will become active and can you click it? But will it be necessary to wait for your comment and minus to be moderated by admins and it will appear only after a while?

              Or the moderator will watch who clicked the minus and who left a comment (strictly on the topic) and remove the plus?

              It's hard to answer stupid questions ...


              I understand that it’s difficult, but necessary. Imagine that you write a technical task for the site administration.

              TK is my pain. When I read them, I begin to think about the border of human stupidity instead of work.
          2. +4
            16 March 2018 18: 28
            Only for such comments will you grab the most tonsils Yes
            1. 0
              16 March 2018 21: 27
              believe me, somehow I can handle this trouble
        2. 0
          16 March 2018 18: 34
          Yeah, I ran and what?
        3. 0
          16 March 2018 21: 27
          Quote from AUL
          I would like it to be necessary when explaining the minus to explain with my comment what the minus is for.

          In the old days, it was, and there was also a function where you could see who was plus and minus you.
    2. +8
      16 March 2018 18: 07
      Quote: Banshee
      How many over the past year there have been cries on the theme “Return the minuses !!!” ... How many, apparently, tears were wiped out at night ... Well, everything is now in your hands)))


      Romaan, Good health .. hi Long live the new conspiracies of the marshals .. laughing cons also removed at the request of viewers old-timers remember all the drinking. laughing got excited .. need to be returned .. there must be a civilized way to express disagreement with opinion .. tired of waving a shovel .. laughing

      but how am I doing it in one evening and the gene of majors turned into a general colonel .. I didn’t express brilliant thoughts as usual .. feel
      1. +14
        16 March 2018 18: 30
        Return cons definitely. The VO participants themselves will be able, at least by minuses, to rationalize some particularly quick users jumping from topic to topic with only one goal - flood and trolling.
        1. +5
          16 March 2018 18: 34
          Quote: Tersky
          for one purpose only - flood


          Fucked up? And I, and We .. and talk? Hi Vit drinks
          1. +8
            16 March 2018 18: 47
            Quote: vorobey
            ... fucked up? And I, and We .. and talk? Hi Vit drinks...

            Greetings Sash, so Victor is talking about that upstart to talk about how everything in the “Honduras” is ... well interfere laughing
          2. +5
            16 March 2018 19: 02
            Quote: vorobey
            And I, and We .. and talk?

            Hi Sanya! drinks ! One hundred years, one hundred winters. Sparrow like a bird is not migratory, but you "flew away" in the fall, and it just started to cry out laughing ! And you say - flood .... laughing
            1. +3
              16 March 2018 19: 37
              Quote: Tersky
              Sparrow like a bird is not migratory, but you "flew away" in the fall, and it just started to cry out


              I had a lot of events .. Vit .. as one doctor told me .. why are you here .. stuck between portals? lol
              1. +4
                16 March 2018 19: 43
                Quote: vorobey
                one doctor .. why are you here .. stuck between portals?

                Clear, Sanya. It can be seen that there were no toys. Let's talk about the details in PM.
                1. +1
                  16 March 2018 22: 04
                  Hi Victor hi Is my message ignored? Or can I wait for an answer? Hi Sanya and me, when you talk.
        2. +3
          16 March 2018 19: 38
          The flood and trolling are monitored by moderators. And for you there is a button "inform". hi
      2. +1
        16 March 2018 19: 10
        Greetings!
        Quote: vorobey
        Long live the new marshal conspiracies .. laughing


        No ... It won't.

        Quote: vorobey
        there must be a civilized way of expressing disagreement with the opinion ..


        Well, we think we found it.
        1. +7
          16 March 2018 19: 13
          Quote: Banshee
          Well, we think we found it.


          So who is the Violin ... laughing laughing laughing
          1. +3
            16 March 2018 19: 40
            Quote: vorobey
            So who is the Violin ...


            Well, thanks for the kind word.
            1. +4
              16 March 2018 19: 46
              Quote: Banshee
              Quote: vorobey
              So who is the Violin ...


              Well, thanks for the kind word.


              There is an opinion that our dialogue on this topic will be announced tomorrow .. Teresa May .. and will be regarded as the main evidence ...
              1. +2
                16 March 2018 22: 06
                Mother Teresa! So here it is! wassat
        2. +5
          16 March 2018 19: 45
          Forgive my meager opinion, comrade. moderators, but I think that the minuses should be returned. Bad without them. laughing
      3. +4
        16 March 2018 19: 48
        Quote: vorobey
        and how am I in one evening and the gene of majors turned into a general colonel ..

        Quote: vorobey
        tired shovel wave ..

        Waved a shovel and you (you) rich Yes laughing
        1. +1
          16 March 2018 22: 08
          Ivan hi
          Waved a shovel and you (you) rich

          Well, not so - "Dug a shovel and you're rich. " wink
    3. +16
      16 March 2018 18: 08
      Quote: Banshee
      How many apparently tears wiped out at night ...

      The point is not in tears and sleepless nights, but in the fact that there is an overwhelming majority of trolls in the VO who do not really care about communication, but it is important to catch up with excitement and abuse. And very often moderators stupidly do not cope with their duties, not cutting off such provocations in the bud.
      Here, the majority of members of the forum are not 18-year-old suckers, but mature adults who are also able to keep order on branches (even in such a way as cons) in order to upset trolls, boors, and just fools who litter the site with stupid ones, but by the hour provocative comments.
      1. +5
        16 March 2018 18: 30
        If there is a plus, then there must be a minus.
        1. SOF
          +2
          16 March 2018 19: 23
          Quote: figvam
          If there is a plus, then there must be a minus.

          ... a Solomon saying!
          Plus, without a minus - it's some kind of stupid math.
          ... but ... Information about who pluses and minuses you is priceless and necessary, because otherwise cartel bacchanalia will begin.
          As in contact - he brought the “arrow”, and there a little list with avatars climbs out.
        2. +2
          16 March 2018 19: 41
          Or maybe just grounding instead of a minus. Zero will remain. winked
          1. SOF
            0
            16 March 2018 20: 12
            Quote: siberalt
            Or maybe just grounding instead of a minus. Zero will remain. winked

            ... then the plus should be changed to phase ...
            ... otherwise, the "plus" should have a "minus" - it's like "yin" - "yang" ... laughing
            1. +3
              16 March 2018 20: 27
              Plus, you can turn it upside down and call it phase. laughing I pressed the button - there is a phase.
              1. +1
                16 March 2018 22: 15
                Shandarakhnet is not a phase, but a phase difference. tongue
                1. +3
                  17 March 2018 10: 31
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  Shandarakhnet is not a phase, but a phase difference.


                  Sergei hi
                  If it’s absolutely right, then what flows between the phases is shandarah. tongue
                  1. +2
                    18 March 2018 12: 37
                    Yes, yes, Sanya, you're certainly right. It is the one that flows there. Everyone uses it, but no one has seen. wink
            2. +5
              16 March 2018 20: 37
              It's like in a joke.
              Two installers are sitting on a pole, a grandmother walks past.
              - Grandma, give me the wires!
              - Hold it, son.
              - I told you that zero, and you - phase, phase ..
          2. +3
            17 March 2018 10: 27
            Quote: siberalt
            Or maybe just grounding instead of a minus.


            And this is already called grounding ... laughing
      2. +4
        16 March 2018 18: 38
        Quote: OBEREG
        And very often the moderators stupidly fail in their duties without prisokaya such provocations in the bud.


        and how sometimes to distinguish a provocation from an opinion ..? without talking and not talking .. not well, I can write to the provocateurs everyone I disagree with ... but in part you are right more often than not we can’t cope because not all news and comments are tracked .. signal yourself more often .. hi
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          1. +5
            16 March 2018 18: 47
            Quote: OBEREG
            And if you are simply incited to swear, insulted, or trivially banal, then there are no seven spans in your forehead to understand who you are dealing with


            It’s only after the second third comment in the debate that you understand .. wink
          2. +2
            16 March 2018 19: 13
            Quote: OBEREG
            The reaction of the modders is belated ... and when the modders start cleaning the branch from offensive comments, then normal people, who simply could not resist, fall under the distribution.


            Enough whining, you are our innocent. Have you been sent to ban with someone? Raise the case and put it on public display?
      3. +1
        16 March 2018 19: 11
        Quote: OBEREG
        And very often the moderators stupidly fail in their duties without prisokaya such provocations in the bud.


        Do you offer yourself something?
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      4. 0
        16 March 2018 21: 20
        Quote: OBEREG
        Here, the majority of members of the forum are not 18-year-old suckers, but mature adults who are also able to keep order on branches (even in such a way as cons) in order to upset trolls, boors, and just fools who litter the site with stupid ones, but by the hour provocative comments.

        In my experience, those who studied at school after Fursenko cannot put spaces in front of punctuation marks.

        The fact that the correct thought is expressed in this comment only increases the degree of irony.
      5. +1
        19 March 2018 01: 13
        Quote: OBEREG

        Here, most members of the forum are not 18 suckers, but mature adults who are also able to keep order on branches (even in such a way as cons) in order to upset trolls, boors, and just fools who litter the site with stupid ones, but by the hour provocative comments.

        Interesting. Track how? If the troll didn’t make a mark on its page on the page, but to all in a row - out of a sense of its own malice - put the cons!

        The fact is that the troll may not leave a single comment on a particular page of the site at all, that you won’t know that he was here at all. But at the same time, he can all roll just like that out of a feeling of gloating minus. As it used to be more than once.
        So you will sit and think, which of the users noted by your comments is your hidden enemy. This is also a form of trollism.
    4. +10
      16 March 2018 18: 16
      Quote: Banshee
      How many over the past year there have been cries on the theme “Return the minuses !!!” ... How many, apparently, tears were wiped out at night ... Well, everything is now in your hands)))

      I personally will still have minuses or not. So I voted.
      It bothers me more that they will shit stealthily, out of harm, well, or for the Israeli flag. It would be fair, for example, if you probably put a minus to write an argument or a minus does not count ...
      If the task of the administration is simply to raise the "heat of the slaughter" then it will come down and minus anonymously.
      1. +5
        16 March 2018 18: 37
        For the Israeli flag, okay! They present me with the flag of the USA or Great Britain! Although I am writing from the Chelyabinsk region! I don’t know how to deal with it request but would pick up the cons, just because of this ... stop
        1. +5
          16 March 2018 18: 40
          Quote: GIGAN
          For the Israeli flag, okay! They present me with the flag of the USA or Great Britain! Although I am writing from the Chelyabinsk region! I don’t know how to deal with it request but would pick up the cons, just because of this ... stop


          Nonsense is complete .. only for one flag they don’t beat here ...
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            2. +1
              16 March 2018 20: 29
              Quote: GIGAN
              argue when there is nothing, cling to the flag .. Something like this.

              Dear, you were indignant above that someone on the Russian site has a nickname in Latin. In your opinion this is not good. Counter-question - is a normal star-striped flag from a Russian from Chelyabinsk? Double standarts? what
              1. +2
                16 March 2018 22: 24
                Yes, these are not standards, but an enemy server. It happens.
            3. +2
              16 March 2018 21: 12
              argue when there is nothing, cling to the flag


              tell me, american, when did I cling to your flag? angry

              laughing

            4. +1
              16 March 2018 22: 22
              Egor, yes, change it already. Go through the avatar at the top of the profile and click changes. There is such a function.
              1. +3
                16 March 2018 22: 30
                Egor, yes, change it already. Go through the avatar at the top of the profile and click changes. There is such a function.


                You know how to break wassat I liked to look at his torment and excuses that he was from Chelyabinsk, and not an American spy.

                It is already necessary to remove the clown from his avatar. Once took up a man laughing
                1. +1
                  17 March 2018 02: 01
                  Once took up a person

                  Here is still not enough. Let him work on himself. Nanny will not work out of me, after the second warning - as on the avatar of Sani Sparrow. You can’t even make me a moderator, I’m afraid that I’m not restrained. recourse
          3. +6
            16 March 2018 18: 57
            Quote: vorobey
            Nonsense is complete .. only for one flag they don’t beat here ...

            but present fellow
            Quote: Andrey K
            For me personally - a mattress instead of a flag, a distinctive feature of the possessed and sodomites.
          4. +4
            16 March 2018 18: 59
            Nonsense is complete .. only for one flag they don’t beat here ...


            laughing “Professor” once defended “merkavu”. As a result, he rolled down from the colonels to the captain in only one article. Noble was "beating not for the flag at all wassat ". Moderators, you’ll try to prevent this from happening again. The first time you will need manual control, then everything will" settle down. "I think the quality of the site will improve as a whole with the return of minuses.
            1. +3
              16 March 2018 19: 02
              Quote: dauria
              “Professor” once defended “merkavu”. As a result, he rolled down from the colonels to the captain in only one article.

              I agree. Sokolov - the first at sight ...
            2. +9
              16 March 2018 23: 22
              Quote: dauria
              ... laughing “Professor” once defended “merkavu”. As a result, he rolled down from the colonels to the captain in only one article. Noble was "beating not for the flag at all wassat ". Moderators, you’ll try to prevent this from happening again. The first time you will need manual control, then everything will" settle down. "I think the quality of the site will improve as a whole with the return of minuses ...

              Alexey, I definitely have nothing to do with it. "Professor" because of the chariot grappled with me in a snot, and then we proved something to each other. Here I am, I remember exactly - as in the evening, the Israeli comrades sat down at the computer and I left in the minus. It was so.
              Minuses are still needed. My rationale is that if I argued with the same "Professor", he at least wrote something, operated on some things. Now on the site, as snowdrops have popped floods. It seems that they do not break the rules, but with a monosyllabic lowing, the whole branch is drowned in verbal dung.
          5. +6
            16 March 2018 20: 50
            They beat for the truth .... and it hurts ... a couple of people who put pluses in the subject, and 50 brainless urapatriots minus ...
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      2. 0
        16 March 2018 19: 42
        Quote: Barkhan
        I am more embarrassed that they will be shitting on the sly, out of harm, well, or for the Israeli flag.


        We are not confused. Moreover, it is this moment that worried the most. Everything will be fine in this regard, the exit was invented. And for lovers of what you are worried about it will not be just a SURPRISE.
    5. +6
      16 March 2018 18: 40
      Quote: Banshee
      How many over the past year there have been screams on the topic "Return the cons !!!".

      Voted "I do not care."
      But.
      The past year showed that the absence of minuses contributed to a decrease in intensity both in the comments (thanks to the admins) and a decrease in negative feedback. The site became somehow calmer ...
      hi
      1. +10
        16 March 2018 18: 46
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        The site became somehow calmer ...


        it became boring .. no gypsies, no bears .. no vodka to drink .. request
        1. +5
          16 March 2018 18: 46
          Quote: vorobey
          it became boring .. no gypsies, no bears .. no vodka to drink ..

          Yes ... And Sasha Romanov therefore left for Syria ...
          laughing
          1. +5
            16 March 2018 19: 34
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Yes ... And Sasha Romanov therefore left for Syria ...


            what .Seriously? He seems to me recently unsubscribed ..
            1. +5
              16 March 2018 19: 52
              Quote: vorobey
              what .Seriously? He seems to me recently unsubscribed ..

              As I was recently told by the "lady of the heart" after "scammers," "So big, but you believe in fairy tales ..."
              wassat
              He was recently on the site. Flying over the VO, talked. Are you a couple, shtol, shy away on business trips?
              recourse
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        1. +4
          16 March 2018 18: 59
          Quote: OBEREG
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          The site became somehow calmer ...
          Because the real specialists with VO go away and there are only cheers, patriots, youth who do not know which side to approach the machine, experts tank of the word and trolls with fools, and there are a handful of people who are seriously interested in military matters, or are active military with real knowledge.

          Come on .... Well, it doesn’t fit in any way ...
          I was still “green” when I saw comments from “specialists” like “boring, uninteresting, because I’m leaving.”
          We still have such "mammoths" on our site that Tokma is surprised at their "longevity" and patience.
          And the last of the departed special "Nexus" - he didn’t leave himself ....
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    6. +5
      16 March 2018 18: 47
      I am for the return of the minuses, but it is desirable that it is clear who set it.
      I, as an ordinary, declare that epaulettes are not important, this conclusion was made during the service.
      An unexpected check came, they gathered all the sergeants and drew the situation verbally, we are waiting for your analysis and the orders were said by the major. All the sergeants began to fuck-back who the company said at least someone would leave, do not disgrace.
      I went out and gave the order, gave landmarks and so on and so forth, the first months of the service went on. My grandfathers didn’t like it, they started spreading rot and said they wanted the sergeant? Three times after that, he pointedly refused to go to sergeant school for his service life. This is an example that epaulets are not important.
      But the minuses are needed, I’m not going to spread rotations anonymously, let everyone see that I put a minus.
      But explaining to Mikhan that he is Mikhan is very difficult in places. It’s easier to put a Minus, for example, in cases of insults, it facilitates the work of the moderators. But one blurt out, the second one supports arguing with them neither nerves nor sense. Like someone offended and walking with a plus sign, also not right.
      1. +2
        16 March 2018 19: 27
        I agree, with such comrades as Mikhan is not easy, he always goes on the attack ... But where did he go?
        1. +2
          16 March 2018 19: 35
          Mikhan is not the most harmful in comparison with some individuals. Mikhan is simply the most popular)) therefore he is designated, likes to wave his sword. But even he often admits his passion for slogans. But there are such instances who believe in their rightness, and at the same time make such a game. And to argue for the sake of argument I’m not interested to be honest. I’m not enough for a long time, I like to read more.
          1. AUL
            +2
            16 March 2018 19: 49
            Quote: Lek3338
            Mikhan is not the most harmful in comparison with some individuals. Mikhan is simply the most popular)) therefore he is designated, likes to wave his sword. But even he often admits his passion for slogans. But there are such instances who believe in their rightness, and at the same time make such a game. And to argue for the sake of argument I’m not interested to be honest. I’m not enough for a long time, I like to read more.

            Therefore, I ask you to return the black list. Mians are sick of it! Heh heh heh ...
            1. +5
              16 March 2018 21: 18
              Therefore, I ask you to return the black list. Mians are sick of it! Heh heh heh ...


              Meehan and I will have our own list. and ammo I will give him if he runs out soldier

              Meehan annoys them. And nagging annoys me. In every topic at all. How long to. I constantly read about Rotenberg, although there are no articles dedicated to him here.

              Corruption experts. Hobbies count schemes or what? Unfulfilled dream of becoming an investigator? Playing the prosecutor and judge on the forum? Fetish suck scandals and investigations?

              In general, I will collect my dossier with Mikhan here. We will be tearful to give handkerchiefs, send by mail
              1. +4
                16 March 2018 23: 53
                I will support you. Especially Stas157. The article is not about politics - he has a red thread in his comments - Putininovat.
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              2. 0
                21 March 2018 13: 54
                In general, I will collect my dossier with Mikhan here. We will be tearful to give handkerchiefs, send by mail
                good
                You will organize as an LLC - discard the settlement one, although I live on retirement, I’ll be a little “toss” on a holy cause, I’ll also take part. Especially for my "double" I’ll clap in front of you - he’s out of the queue. lol
          2. SOF
            +1
            16 March 2018 20: 18
            Quote: Lek3338
            .And to argue for the sake of argument I’m not interested to be honest. I’m not enough for a long time, I like to read more

            ... fully support ...
    7. +6
      16 March 2018 18: 55
      To give justice to virtual public space is not democracy, but anarchy, dear! winked
      Talk about the authors. The authors also have a rating and marks for evaluation. The fact that the author has worked and posted his little thought about ... the forum deserves respect. But to minus the author is categorically savagery. And, if the administration decides to return to each "ax" to chop without explanation, then at least the authors need to be freed from such cuttings.
      Regards, Oleg. hi
      1. +4
        16 March 2018 19: 46
        Quote: siberalt
        To give justice to virtual public space is not democracy, but anarchy, dear!

        "When society has no color differentiation of pants, then there is no purpose ..."
        "How do you know who should make ku to whom many times ...?" --- "Kin-dza-dza"
        1. +3
          16 March 2018 20: 36
          In virtual space, pants are somehow useless. There is simply no one to put on. But just for the "ku" place more than enough. laughing Here I agree with you.
          1. +4
            16 March 2018 23: 10
            Quote: siberalt
            In virtual space, pants are somehow useless.

            To some extent, the role of colored trousers is played by epaulettes, ranks ... soon the slaughter will begin ... Just have time to pull the corpses away and give cartridges. Only give topics pro-Sumerian and once a week about Israel ... Well, at least the elections will be held by then.
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  3. +10
    16 March 2018 17: 57
    So it was instituted that the “black-headed” commentators were significantly limited in their freedom of expression in the quantitative moment.

    Well, you don’t need to limit it, of course, but leaving minuses so that people could express their opinion in my opinion would not be bad. Well, that is, let him write something there, I did not like it, I said (put a minus) and, in principle, yes, let him continue to write, but he will know the attitude towards him.
    1. +5
      16 March 2018 18: 11
      Both cons and, in fact, pluses affect the perception of the commentary. And if so, then this is an instrument of influence on public opinion.
      1. +5
        16 March 2018 18: 16
        Both minuses and, in fact, pluses affect the perception of the comment

        This is clear. But we are conducting a discussion, arguing about something, we are talking, and these pros and cons are needed, as it were, as facial expressions in a conversation, in order to at least roughly understand what a person thought about your phrase.
        I’m not at all averse to the minuses in my address, if this is someone’s subjective opinion, then I will be interested and answer - but where am I wrong and will learn something new .....
        So this should work. And not stupidly hatering.
        1. +8
          16 March 2018 18: 44
          Quote: DEZINTO
          I’m not at all averse to the minuses in my address, if this is someone’s subjective opinion, then I will be interested and answer - but where am I wrong and will learn something new .....
          So this should work. And not stupidly hatering.


          I absolutely agree with you .. You have long been in the topic and also know my attitude to minuses and ratings .. and we must remember how many minuses for my position I sometimes snagged .. but we argued I defended my own and, in general, the nature of relations with forum users not affected
        2. 0
          17 March 2018 16: 13
          Quote: DEZINTO
          But we are conducting a discussion, we are arguing about something, we are talking, and these pros and cons are, as it were, needed facial expressions in conversation, to at least roughly understand what a person thought about your phrase.

          Are there really few words in the opponent’s comment to understand? What is the need to add another minus? request
    2. +6
      16 March 2018 18: 13
      Teresa May also knows the attitude towards her, however this does not prevent her from continuing to shit .. feel

      Petro poproshenko also knows .. however, this does not bother him ... we’ll isolate the trolls .. we can’t shoot .. re-write ... it’s unrealistic laughing

      ohrenet .. I'm already a marshal .. laughing
      1. +2
        16 March 2018 19: 00
        Congratulations on your well-deserved title for many years of service on the forum. good drinks
        1. +4
          16 March 2018 19: 17
          Quote: siberalt
          Congratulations on your well-deserved title for many years of service on the forum. good drinks


          Pay extra for the stars .. laughing laughing
          1. +3
            16 March 2018 19: 53
            Instead of a bayonet shovel, they are handed a shovel ....
            lol
            1. +3
              16 March 2018 20: 07
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Instead of a bayonet shovel, they are handed a shovel ...


              any bayonet shovel takes on its shovel shape ... after close contact with the workpiece laughing laughing
    3. +2
      16 March 2018 18: 58
      Opinion is expressed in words, not hands. Although in some cases the second comes best, but not in the virtual world.
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  5. +17
    16 March 2018 18: 00
    If this is possible, it would be nice to give the opportunity to “minus” not just by bluntly pressing a button, but only complete with specific claims to the opponent. That is, if you have something to present - write and you can "minus". But in general, I am for the return of such a button.
  6. +9
    16 March 2018 18: 00
    As an option, it can return the minuses, but limit them in an amount, for example, no more than 10 minuses per day per account or make a dynamic calculation of the number of minuses per user, depending on its activity. Otherwise, we just step on the old rake! hi
    1. +1
      16 March 2018 18: 13
      there is still an additional option, scored a limit of minuses lost a star on the chase. like in the army, demotion.
      1. +3
        16 March 2018 18: 32
        Quote: Letun_64
        there is still an additional option, scored a limit of minuses lost a star on the chase. like in the army, demotion.

        Well, it was so
      2. +4
        16 March 2018 18: 37
        it was, and after the skull on the shoulder straps appeared
  7. +11
    16 March 2018 18: 01
    It would be necessary to return the minuses ... Too sometimes odious monsters with their statements appear ... By the way, the number of them increased precisely after the cancellation of the minuses ...
    However, I’m afraid that again with this return of minuses it will turn out in Chernomyrdinsky: “We wanted the best, but it turned out - as always” ... Again there will be unreasonable attacks and bans on sensible, but a few dissenting people who have their own point of view .. .
    So it turns out something with a comma in the "you can not have mercy" ... hi
    1. +8
      16 March 2018 18: 05
      hi
      Here I am about the same thing, let there be minuses even before turning blue and not ban, but just let us lie in the minuses and with our opinion and all that, of course, we will listen, read, and another minus, and it will just be clear who is who.
      I am not against the opinions of others, everyone has the right to it. Just sometimes I want to say that I do not agree. Here are the disadvantages for this.
      1. +6
        16 March 2018 20: 42
        Quote: DEZINTO
        Here I am about the same thing, let there be minuses even before turning blue and not ban, but just let us lie in the minuses and with our opinion and all that, of course, we will listen, read, and another minus, and it will just be clear who is who.

        It's right. A negative rating is also needed. And banning for a minus is somehow not comme il faut ... For rudeness, insults, etc. etc. - it is right. And if a person scored a bunch of minuses for his position on some issue - this is completely different.
      2. +1
        17 March 2018 16: 17
        Quote: DEZINTO
        . I just sometimes feel like say I do not agree. Here for this and Cons request .

        And for what, interestingly, do WORDS exist?
    2. +2
      16 March 2018 20: 07
      You can try to do this, when you receive a certain number of minuses, the comment "closes", and if you want to read it, click on it specially. You can also enter a limit on the number of pluses and minuses to the comment.
      1. +1
        19 March 2018 01: 45
        Quote: albert
        You can try to do this, when you receive a certain number of minuses, the comment "closes", and if you want to read it, click on it specially. Also, you can enter a limit on the number of pluses and minuses to the comment.

        This is a half measure in which the whole point of introducing minuses is lost.
  8. +8
    16 March 2018 18: 03
    Although someone will begin to celebrate "settle accounts" with objectionable, stupidly minus each of their comments! But still, the minuses are needed, as an educational measure, as the same tub of cold water, because many people who comment on a smart comment and not an article who comes to the site interfere with other people's comments for the sake of goodies, and many comments simply lose their meaning because they are torn by utterances out of place and out of topic.
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    2. BAI
      +6
      16 March 2018 20: 29
      However, it should be noted that in some cases the discussion is more interesting and qualified than the article itself.
  9. +6
    16 March 2018 18: 05
    It was high time to return the cons. One-sided somehow it turns out. You can either plus a comment or stupidly pass by. But then again, just silently putting cons is also not a thing. If you do not agree with the point of view of the person to whom you put a minus, explain why, and not stupidly, like throwing a troll and "lowering" those who are objectionable to the troll.
  10. +8
    16 March 2018 18: 05
    Everything on the Maidan: on the return of the "cons"
    and canceling the pros
    we will talk!
  11. +9
    16 March 2018 18: 06
    that yes, just like in Ukraine - he said something against the "saint", they immediately blame the rating. It’s good that the “peacekeeper” doesn’t contribute to the site. Phew, to be honest ...
  12. +14
    16 March 2018 18: 06
    May everyone be rewarded according to his speeches! wink
    Let it be, remember the old funny times: good
    But a person convicted of unreasonable "minus", especially against the background of personal dislike (and there are such people on the site), will simply go to the ban. hi
    1. +1
      16 March 2018 19: 20
      Quote: major071
      But a person convicted of unreasonable "minus", especially against the background of personal dislike (and there are such people on the site), will simply go to the ban.


      And quickly and for a long time. On behalf of and on behalf of the guarantee.
      1. +4
        16 March 2018 22: 09
        I already decided not to put the cons. It seems to have pleased, I think, well, hold on to Stasyamba, Gardamir and others - and the soldiers. There is one more point according to which in a minus they can also wipe the site sad

        As always. There is no room for the flight of the soul. But this move - when beckoning and as always a cookie on the exhaust - you seem to have conspired with life. Angry you admins

        The hand will now tremble, before each mouse click over the minus under the American barking at our Moscow region. I will think that the latter, but press. In war as in war.

        We will partisan and drive Svidomo into digital boilers! Because the people need it, because the Nazis go to the site and the people sense them.


    2. +6
      16 March 2018 21: 39
      and if a person, in principle, from my point of view, writes game (yes, even if I write nonsense in someone’s opinion) and you have explained to him a long time ago how you fundamentally disagree with his point of view. - still adhere to some kind of behavior.

      He will not write in one topic - power on the pitchfork - and in another - to sing power to an ode.

      And personal dislike she did not appear out of thin air. And because of the different positions that appear from comment to comment.

      So you see him - you see another nonsense - so what - to write the same thing again? just put a minus and flip further - and not because you are a bad person and not because you can not argue the assessment of a particular character comment. You just did it a long time ago.

      1. 0
        16 March 2018 22: 16
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        So you see him - you see another nonsense - so what - to write the same thing again? just put a minus and flip further - and not because you are a bad person and not because you can not argue the assessment of a particular character comment. You just did it a long time ago.


        Reasonable approach.
    3. +3
      17 March 2018 10: 50
      May everyone be rewarded according to his speeches! 


      Vladimir hi
      Have you stopped writing (poetry)?
      I've been collecting your essays on a complete collection.
      I hope you do not mind.?
      1. +9
        17 March 2018 12: 49
        Alexander! hi
        Of course, do not mind, collect on health! drinks
        I didn’t stop writing, just sometimes I don’t have time, and sometimes I have time for writing. And sometimes this and that is, but the muse, bastard, does not come! laughing
        1. 0
          21 March 2018 14: 07
          Vladimir hi I also like your creativity. good
          And sometimes this and that is, but the muse, bastard, does not come! laughing

          And how to stimulate it? So that there wasn’t such: “The muse visited me today, sat a little, sat and left!”
  13. +6
    16 March 2018 18: 08
    The "old" cons helped punish the unwanted, to the point and there is nothing to hide, but damn great help to separate the grains from the chaff among the comments that were written competently and reasoned, in contrast to the multi-letter spreading of thoughts on a tree from thoughtless copy-paste, sources OBS, idiots or rabid Russophobia.
    Cons to be!
  14. +8
    16 March 2018 18: 08
    I would add a list to the minuses - a sign that shows who put what.
    In my opinion myrten such is present.
    Kondovy "interpersonal analysis" is thus partly transferred to the "lichku", naturally with respect for perfect respect for the opponent, this scandal does not concern anyone from a disinterested community, does not lead colleagues away from the topic.
    Something like this .. maybe not right, but if the opinion was asked why not to express.
    Best regards hi and the more administration wink
    1. +5
      16 March 2018 19: 49
      Quote: Lekov L
      I would add a list to the minuses - a sign that shows who put what.

      Then the vendetta will begin.
      1. +2
        16 March 2018 20: 29
        I still hope for the civilization of opponents, although I was about to leave the site fifteen times already. Topics analyst, weapons and history hold.
        As well as a list of literate authors who are still here.
        Sincerely, colleague soldier
        1. +1
          16 March 2018 22: 18
          Quote: Barkhan
          Then the vendetta will begin.


          Vendetta will not start, because there will be no reason for it, but there may be investigations from the administration.

          Quote: Lekov L
          list of literate authors who are here.


          More optimism. "While here" ... Do not worry, do not scatter.
  15. +7
    16 March 2018 18: 09
    Cons definitely needed. It used to be convenient to watch comments and visually pay attention to those that have gained a lot of advantages, as well as immediately see those that are heavily mined. Thus, it was possible to immediately get an idea of ​​the opinion of people about any comment. And on the topic of what kind of comments, which had many minuses before they banned - I did not even know. This is probably not worth doing. Can the maximum make the font fade with an increase in the number of minuses?
    1. +4
      16 March 2018 19: 55
      "you could immediately get an idea ..."
      "And I'm for those who win," so it turns out? winked
      But somehow it's better to think with your head. A common thing, over time, everything comes.
  16. +4
    16 March 2018 18: 09
    Cons is the right thing .. This is an opinion about a particular forum member and his statements! But there is one nuance to prevent bullying, but here it’s more difficult. Minus or plus should be resolved precisely under an article on the site, and not in the profile, and be monitored so that there are "minus" and "pluses" There are lovers on all sites .. hi And also to make it visible who + or - set! And I will be ALL happiness I consider.
  17. +2
    16 March 2018 18: 10
    The people must know the enemy in person !!! am
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    1. +4
      16 March 2018 19: 11
      [quote = ZHIGAN] and yes, just like in Ukraine - he said something against the "saint", they immediately blame the rating. It’s good that the “peacekeeper” doesn’t contribute to the site. Fu, to be honest ... [/ quote]
      There are adherents of the current government here :( they will clam up at least someone if the point of view does not agree with them .. What kind of demons are they? Fool [/ quote]
      You’ll excuse me, dear ZHIGAN, here you are just telling about yourself, about the rabid ones, I quote you: "... There are adherents of the current government ... ... Some kind of demons or something ... ... I don’t I’m not campaigning for anyone; I am only criticizing the current government ... ... For me, the "Putinoids" are possessed ... "In this case, not only are the critics not visible, but even rudeness (you will forgive me) is visible. And it seems that the article is not about the current government, but such statements on your part are a bit much.
      1. 0
        16 March 2018 20: 58
        Obviously, this was not a political statement, but you just write nonsense ....
  19. +4
    16 March 2018 18: 12
    are needed, but to set conditions that minus no response to a post that is minus does not appear, this will limit dumb minus
    1. +5
      16 March 2018 20: 07
      If you argue all the cons, the forum will turn into a bazaar. Really this is not clear. A step away from the topic of discussion and the whole point of the subject under discussion is dissolved in a child of personal skirmishes. After all, this has already happened! Therefore, the participants note that the forum has become cleaner and discussions are on the topic proposed on the site.
      1. +2
        16 March 2018 20: 41
        Quote: siberalt
        Therefore, the participants note that the forum has become cleaner and discussions are on the topic proposed on the site.

        I about 8 years on the site about cleanliness can not agree
        Quote: siberalt
        If you argue all the cons, the forum will turn into a bazaar.

        the problem is that some of the minuses were frankly idiotic minus 2x2 = 4
  20. +4
    16 March 2018 18: 15
    I did not find the old wars with minuses (I joined the site later), but it seems to me that you can limit the number of minuses to the sum with pluses with a certain total score, for example, zero. The principle is this: so that your minuses and pluses add up to zero. More than zero is possible, less is not. Then you can’t just minus everything. At least someone will have to pry. And let there be no bans, let them write further, but it will be seen how they are treated. And then maybe they really have an unpopular, but useful opinion (I myself have such an opinion in km ru). And another sentence in the topic "about dislike for other forum users": could one create blacklists? Personal So that I simply did not see anything from these people in my tape. Then I will not have to minus anyone.
    1. +1
      16 March 2018 18: 36
      Quote: Anton
      Then you can’t just minus everything.

      why is it impossible, for example, someone wrote a certain number of posts to the article, well, let's get 5 pluses, he quarreled with someone and he piled on the minus to each post in retaliation, as a result he had 5 pluses and one minus
      1. 0
        16 March 2018 18: 48
        Sorry, I didn’t quite understand. I had in mind the pros and cons that one and the same person puts. One who puts a minus to each of the posts of the other, will have to be able to put these five minuses. To do this, he had previously put someone pluses. And the one with a “rating” in every comment because of revenge from 5 fell to 4 did not suffer. Well, perhaps, he was "minuscule" a little. But no one can be immune from this. Therefore, it is probably better not to delete the comments that are covered with a blur. Let everyone see, but they can read. In a more cohesive audience, “done with us” minus leads to an increase in the transparency of the comment and its subsequent removal. But there are very strict rules, it works there.
        1. +1
          16 March 2018 20: 14
          All is correct. Purely according to - Sharikov - "And what is there to think, to take away from everyone and share." lol
        2. 0
          16 March 2018 20: 42
          Quote: Anton
          One who puts a minus to each of the posts of the other, will have to be able to put these five minuses. To do this, he had previously put someone pluses

          completely confused, and if you put the pros not for that, but there are cons
  21. 0
    16 March 2018 18: 16
    I voted for!
    Well, what do they give ???
  22. +7
    16 March 2018 18: 20
    Everyone has the right to an opinion. Frank fools on the site, thank you, a little. Let the "morals police" of the moderators follow the boors. “Zero” at the height of the discussion is quite eloquent.
  23. +1
    16 March 2018 18: 34
    Cons won by a wide margin! laughing Congratulations. lol
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    1. +1
      16 March 2018 19: 22
      Quote: naidas
      heading for informers moderators


      Is that what you call the functionality of complaints and appeals?

      Quote: naidas
      the military review security service will go to the disagreeable or just ban forever?


      Well yes. Your address I got rid of already.
      1. 0
        16 March 2018 19: 37
        I welcome the specialist, it’s not necessary to inform you that I left, I see that the comment has already been deleted. Can I wait for the ban?
        Unanimity must be further developed.
    2. +2
      16 March 2018 20: 19
      You're not right. The moderator only listens to the opinion of the "informer" if the author of the post violates the rules of the site. The referee on the field may also not notice any violations by the players. So what? winked
      1. 0
        16 March 2018 22: 21
        And nothing.
        We seem to be punished for violations, and not for dissent.

        Quote: naidas
        . Bana wait?

        Not. Not to wait.
        1. 0
          17 March 2018 19: 40
          it does not punish you active citizens, my comment has been deleted, you have available with my offers.
  25. +6
    16 March 2018 18: 38
    Minuses are necessary - a negative opinion is also the opinion and position of a person. I believe that explanations and justifications for minuses are not needed, because - why should I make excuses for my minus and for my opinion? To those people with whom I have a close life position - I put a plus. Minus and plus are pluralism of opinions. The lack of cons is censorship.
    1. +9
      16 March 2018 18: 49
      If you make cons, it is advisable to remove arithmetic. Those. indicate separately the number of minuses, separately pluses, so as not to be summed up, but it was like a vote. Then the price of the comment will be clear, which also has its own meaning in the article. And then it turns out 50 on 50, as a result, zero and go understand, maybe no one has noted at all.
    2. +1
      16 March 2018 18: 54
      Censorship is not something bad. She always is and should be. Censorship of any site - the boundaries of what is permitted: rules + moderators. Censorship of the society - the prosecutor's office and the criminal code. Here is a discussion about ways to rule out minus as a way of revenge and clogging an objectionable opinion. But if it's just a number display next to the comment - why not! They gave the same to speak. I also voted for the cons.
    3. +2
      16 March 2018 19: 00
      Here ... Life position is the same .. Then plus ... Everything is strange! You like the existing system ... But I don’t .. Why should I cover the minuses from those with whom you have the same position ... The word is what POSITION .. hehe lol
      1. 0
        16 March 2018 20: 12
        You like the existing system ... But I don’t .. Why should I cover the disadvantages of those with whom you have the same position ...


        Well, you will console yourself with the number of minuses. To differ, so to the maximum wassat And the ranks to enter - "minus the captain", "minus the marshal." Also flattering.
        As far as I remember, they often minus not for opinion, but for rudeness, departure from the topic. It was a bit of a good form - to support the "illegally pecked." But the contingent was different.
  26. +5
    16 March 2018 18: 41
    As a rule, the introduction of cons leads to a decrease in the number of users of the site. That is why they were canceled in many places.
    1. +1
      16 March 2018 19: 19
      Quote: tornado
      As a rule, the introduction of cons leads to a decrease in the number of users of the site. That is why they were canceled in many places.

      Well, how insightful you are .. good And even less money is paid for advertising, etc.
      Along the way, everything will remain on VO ... But the site "Reporter" advertised CLEAR!
      (but it’s some kind of standard ..))))
      1. 0
        18 March 2018 22: 24
        I’ve done a bug, please forgive me, white mistress. So many traitors to the motherland that after work, their hands do not obey.
  27. +2
    16 March 2018 18: 42
    About the "cons" - 50/50. Removal of warnings - once a year (if not during the year) - "For".
    1. +3
      16 March 2018 18: 50
      For example, I have a three-two-year-old couple of BANs hanging .... why not reset them? Who comes to be rude here - they quickly gain their 10 BANs and fly out.
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  29. +7
    16 March 2018 18: 46
    Is it now that if any old-timer with general shoulder straps fell out of favor with shkolota, would he be lowered to a private in a couple of evenings?)




    So far, some readers have not begun to unite in organized communities, intensely "minus" all those who are objectionable.

    In this piece you yourself write what the site will turn into a bacchanal.
    Best is the enemy of the good.
  30. +1
    16 March 2018 18: 48
    The fact that it became clear how many people agree with a person’s statement and how many do not is important. All the same, there is an opinion and the reaction to it is important for understanding who is who and what is.
  31. +3
    16 March 2018 18: 49
    I read it ... I thought ... it smacks of something like a rad, then the State Department ... but maybe a thought? But it stinks specifically ...
    No, I won’t climb ...
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  33. 0
    16 March 2018 18: 50
    Cons are needed, but measures need to be changed.
  34. +4
    16 March 2018 18: 51
    For more than a year I have had a warning and, as a result, points do not count. At first I was upset, but now I’ve calmed down. All these are small games of pride, and I have my own epaulets, real ones. So, enter or not enter, it does not affect interest in articles and expression of the opinion. Would the site be interesting and professional.
  35. +2
    16 March 2018 18: 52
    Cons are needed. but the warning is removed only for 500 pluses (well, if that happens). more correct, but it is in my opinion)))
    1. +1
      16 March 2018 18: 54
      To develop populism?
  36. +8
    16 March 2018 19: 02
    Probably, you need to leave everything as it is and not bother with the "minuses". You can always “answer”, quote and respond to the commentary, enter into an adequate polemic without insults. And the cons are some kind of childhood illness. Where is the probability that the same trolls will not vote for their return now? On other sites where these disadvantages exist, besides dill and various figures “out of nowhere” and nobody happens, the discussion branches do not grow exponentially further than “pi ...”.
  37. +2
    16 March 2018 19: 02
    Two suggestions for the cons.
    1. Allow cons with mandatory comment. (If the system supports this format)
    2. Limit the possibility of setting minus rank. (from major or colonel)
    1. 0
      16 March 2018 19: 42
      I sat on the site, there to start commenting it is necessary to break 24 hours online, only then such an opportunity will appear!
  38. +3
    16 March 2018 19: 03
    Yes, in my opinion it’s easier to allow rating only to accounts with a certain age, rank and number of comments. Most of the trolls themselves would fall off under such conditions. What is the problem to fence?
  39. +3
    16 March 2018 19: 05
    If the minuses will not be reflected in karma, then the number of minuses will only reflect the general opinion about the article or the person’s statement, and this will exclude large-scale cluttering by heaps of minusers to the state of impossibility to express their opinion - as the author of the article said ...
    1. 0
      16 March 2018 19: 14
      (-) and (+) should be
      1.personized
      2. The number of (-) and (+) is limited, for example, no more than 5-10 characters per day.
      something like this).
      1. +2
        16 March 2018 19: 17
        On a certain site it was like that, I saw myself how people with 1000 pluses in the zashashnik were lowered to a black mark in one day, consistently minuscating from several dozen accounts, right now there are no minuses, but it’s not clear what the message or news is, if there’s no minus if they touch karma - then nothing will change - but people will be able to say whether they like it or not ...
  40. +7
    16 March 2018 19: 09
    Quote: OBEREG
    But Moder does not understand, he stupidly gives out bans and warnings to everyone. And in this regard, the cons will be useful, reducing the ardor of both trolls and the hot heads of normal members of the forum.

    ---------------------------------
    I honestly do not care, I marshaled twice on both systems, I have 5 warnings, I do not belong to fans of someone's managerial talent and public merits. If demoted by “execution” of warnings, then again I will become just ordinary. This is just a platform for discussion and we are all living people, we can flare up and be rude if something makes us crazy. Instead of cons, there is a “complaint” about trolling or Russophobic behavior.
    1. 0
      16 March 2018 19: 19
      And what's the point of registering again? That's bullshit.
  41. +10
    16 March 2018 19: 12
    Quote: Black_Jacket
    Is it now that if any old-timer with general shoulder straps fell out of favor with shkolota, would he be lowered to a private in a couple of evenings?)

    ----------------------------------
    There is not only shkolota here, there are "ethnic" units from Ukrainians and Israelis. An advanced detachment logs in instantly and brings you a dozen minuses for the “criticism” of ancient Sumerian countries. laughing laughing
  42. +4
    16 March 2018 19: 13
    Oh well, I'll sit in the cons, the problem is, they won’t take money for them, but they won’t give for the pros, I hope))
  43. +6
    16 March 2018 19: 13
    1. Cons are needed.

    2. Cons should be separate from the pros, and not add up.

    3. We need the ability to cancel the plus / minus, which is currently not there.

    4. You need at least two different types of cons:

    - for the stupidity and futility of comments

    - for Russophobia, anti-Soviet, Bandera, Goebbels, rezunovschina, Solzhenitsynism, and so on.

    5. We need a special button - a complaint about knowingly false exposure of minuses. To the minusers flew back.
    1. +3
      16 March 2018 19: 41
      And a separate minus for illiteracy is needed.

      Fursenko’s young victims, skipping Russian language lessons and not having read a single book in their lives, lifted up a little.

      In addition, deliberately illiterate spelling that complicates reading (for example, the absence of spaces after punctuation marks) is at least disrespectful to the reader, and often just a veiled form of trolling and rudeness.
      1. +1
        17 March 2018 15: 48
        Have I seen, I’ve read not one hundred volumes, but the grammar isn’t mine, and I write mainly in transport, or even on the go, so I’ll add a category to your list for snobbery.
        1. +2
          17 March 2018 16: 27
          Just no complaints to you.

          Spaces after commas - set.
          There are no spaces before commas.
          The sentence is capitalized.
          No deliberate distortions of words, only one obvious typo.

          In general, your comments are written completely readable, with due respect to the reader.

          The lack of literacy at the level of "editor of Truth under Stalin" no one requires. Errors are excusable, sinful itself.

          But errors are categorically different from defiantly disregard to the Russian language and especially boorish disrespect to the reader.
      2. +1
        25 March 2018 14: 48
        Quote: Conserp
        And a separate minus for illiteracy is needed.

        Simply, there are people who are not aces in the correct written Russian, the same foreigners, but express brilliant and interesting thoughts, and it is not worth, in my opinion, to poke their nose into the spelling. And it’s easy to offend a person.
        Still, content is more important than form.
        PS Worse, when in the articles "blunders" slip through.
    2. +5
      16 March 2018 19: 43
      Quote: Conserp
      We need a special button - a complaint about knowingly false exposure of minuses. To the minusers flew back.

      And appoint you as the main one in resolving these disputes with automatic sending of complaints to your mail. laughing
      1. 0
        16 March 2018 20: 13
        I have a job.

        I even registered here recently only because a little free time appeared.

        But I can still say that there are statistical control methods that eliminate the need to manually remove blockages and allow us to identify and punish malicious abusers.
    3. +1
      16 March 2018 20: 05
      And still the opportunity to hang up personal labels would not hurt.

      Remembering all the trolls, the Nazis and the mentally retarded is an unnecessary concern.
  44. +1
    16 March 2018 19: 15
    Bind minus to the obligatory argumentation.
  45. +9
    16 March 2018 19: 16
    I consider the current system with pluses, but without the drawbacks, accustomed and optimal. You can see the ratings of bright or not empty comments, and the “cons” are kindergarten and poop, which is at least not serious for the VO audience. Although the verbal opportunity for this is quite accessible, at least some arguments can be given here, but just minuses - whose are they, why and for what? Leave it to Mordoknigi, a system of likes and ignores - there is a puberty of target audience.
  46. +8
    16 March 2018 19: 20
    Given the focus of the site and the predominance of urapatritot who in many things about which they have no idea, they will put a minus simply because of the harmfulness!
    I think that due to the lack of cons. on the site the positions of the USSR sternniks and other protivovnikov of the new Russia were shaken, so without an administrative resource !!!
    Now the site has become more interesting, and not as it was, the cuckoo praises the cock for praising the cuckoo!
    Actually, this throwing will not lead to anything good !! this way or that.
    PS that's why they vote for Putin. that there are game rules and they do not change !!!!
    1. +5
      16 March 2018 19: 43
      Here is a great visual example of a candidate for minus.

      Here you and stupidity, and trolling, and Russophobia, and anti-Soviet. For every taste!
      1. +4
        16 March 2018 20: 12
        If your knowledge and horizons do not allow you to see events from different points of view. and you don’t understand what I'm talking about. then these are your problems!
        You are right! I am an anti-adviser, but this already suggests that I am not Russophobe! And if a person is stupid, then how can he troll (for this all the same, what kind of knowledge is needed)?
        I'm talking about you and people like you in many things about which I argue I have no ideaт
        You are an extra confirmation of my correctness. such "wise men" will gather here and start from the article in a flock to say one thing and blowing snot. And if the minuses are returned in the state in which they were. then the site will be a reserve of monotonous comments that have little in common with both history and patriotism!
        1. +4
          16 March 2018 20: 43
          My knowledge and horizons allow me to see:
          - exclamation points after each sentence;
          - internal logical incoherence and absurdity;
          - blatant boorish remarks addressed to the USSR and those who respect their homeland;
          - offensive generalizations addressed to wide layers of commentators;
          - boorish, deliberately neglecting the Russian language text design.
          1. +3
            16 March 2018 21: 36
            I like exclamation points !!!!!! especially as many need to be heard !!!!!!!!!!
            and that we have the USSR sacred cow? then modern power can be blamed. baselessly in theft. is that Putin is conducting anti-people politics and other nonsense, and the power that killed the Russians and squandered Russian lands is impossible? I understand why you have cons. no arguments will be minus! And where is your son’s homeland?
            why are you lying when I offended the wide layers? I told the truth and now I will say !!! our commentators are, to put it mildly, far from business, economics, and politics. and at the same time they reason and give advice such that the ears are wrapped in a tube. And many of them don’t understand the devil at all, but only with the slogans they make pluses!
            -Do you need cons for neglect? and if I am not literate or speak Russian poorly? yeah, well, what to talk about with you, the ignorant who speaks to his opponents says gray, wretched. finished and other scribble testifying that the person who writes without errors may be. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
            1. +3
              16 March 2018 23: 03
              Quote: K.A.S.
              USSR ... power that killed Russians and squandered Russian lands

              So he burned - the standard Bandera-Vlasov propaganda went.

              Minus minus minus.
    2. +3
      16 March 2018 23: 11
      Quote: K.A.S.
      which in many things about which they argue have no idea, they will put a minus just because of the harmfulness!

      That's what I wrote about this in a comment, a little earlier. Why discuss the qualities of people who simply express their opinion and get personal? Friends, let's get rid of this! What is the difference, a person understands this or that weapon, if he is simply trying to express his opinion? Explain to him what he is wrong by simply professionally expressing his opinion, without offending a person with accusations of his illiteracy (I do not mean grammar). Let's discuss the material of the articles, not the people who wrote the comments - we are all different! hi
    3. +2
      17 March 2018 16: 51
      Quote: K.A.S.
      Given the focus of the site and the predominance of urapatritot who in many things about which they have no idea, they will put a minus simply because of the harmfulness!

      So it was before today's system, heaped up by the crowd and minus. As if the number of minuses made the opinion of minusers more .... authoritative and convincing belay (and they perceive it SO) fool lol
      Quote: K.A.S.
      Now the site has become more interesting, and not as it was, the cuckoo praises the cock for praising the cuckoo!

      And more interesting and calmer. Yes I especially like the regrets still encountered: "Before, we would have driven you into the" skulls! " lol
      Now they are again given weapons. request And there will remain "dialogues" of such content:

      Commentator 1: Hooray! Glory! ++++++
      Commentator 2 (in reply): Glory! Hooray! +++++++++
      Commentator 1 (in reply): Well, well done, that "Glory! Hurray!" +++++++++++
      Commentator 2 (in reply): No, this is you first done, saying “Hurray! Glory!” +++++++++++++++
      Both Commentators (in chorus): Well, we are well done !! "+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Yes
      lol
  47. +1
    16 March 2018 19: 21
    Quote: Zaurbek
    And what's the point of registering again? That's bullshit.

    --------------------------
    What really "nonsense"? Without half-tones ... I just speak out loud thoughts ... There will be a desire, I regret, I will not, I will not regret ... laughing
  48. +3
    16 March 2018 19: 22
    Before, comments were more interesting to read than the publications themselves. After the cons were removed, I stopped reading comments at all.
    1. +9
      16 March 2018 19: 33
      how the minuses were removed so many commentators who disagreed immediately appeared, they simply stopped spread rot! And before that it was: retirees who were nostalgic for the union, or loafers who spent whole days sitting on the site boarding up their ranks and amicably kicked a person with a different opinion!
      How can one put a minus to a person if he has his own reasoned opinion, which differs from the majority opinion that gleaned him in fairy tales and agitation!
      This is similar to how in some army circles, to have stars on uniform, you need to bend very strongly in front of those who have influence!

      1. +2
        16 March 2018 20: 17
        You will not talk exclusively with chants à la Navalny rally - and no one will "rot" you.
        1. +3
          16 March 2018 20: 33
          I think you hurried giving me a characterization. she refers to you more!
          what does bulk and chants have to do with it?
          And chants are like those of you. conversation and argumentation:The teachings of Marx are omnipotent because they are true. here in order to have such a reserve and come up with cons. When there are only minuses from the argument because there are no others!
      2. +4
        16 March 2018 21: 05
        Quote: K.A.S.
        How can I put a minus to a person if he has his own reasoned opinion,

        You yourself answered your question, if there is a reasoned opinion, then what is the minus point.
        Quote: K.A.S.
        but which is different from the majority opinion that gleaned it in fairy tales and agitation!

        That is, in your opinion, there are two opinions, one of yours. Are others wrong and they were written in fairy tales and agitation? You should not be rude to your opponents a young man and consider them insignificant, then no one
        spread rot!
        will not.
        Quote: K.A.S.
        This is similar to how in some army circles, to have stars on uniform, you need to bend very strongly in front of those who have influence!

        You do not seem to have served in the army.
        1. +2
          16 March 2018 21: 30
          1. Arguably argued that Russia and people now live better than under the USSR, for this they put cons. argued that the Soviet weapons weren’t the best, minuses, argued that the Soviet army exterminated the Russian people, minuses, argued that the Soviet Union stole technology minus. objectively proved that Lenin is a German spy cons. objectively proved that Western culture is no worse than Russian cons, and so on and so forth. find examples yourself !!!
          2. when a person uses Soviet agitation in the style of living as an argument, it became better to live, it became more fun. and when you poke it into facts, you get a minus.
          3. I do not consider anyone for insignificance, they will spread rot simply because the main contingent on the site is pensioners who yearn for past times!
          4Don't need this condescending serving, not serving. believe the word
        2. +1
          17 March 2018 17: 00
          Quote: vovanpain
          That is, in your opinion there are two opinions, one of yours. The other are wrong

          K.A.S. I did not say this, why speculate for him?
      3. +5
        16 March 2018 21: 41
        Quote: K.A.S.
        how the minuses were removed so many commentators who disagreed immediately appeared, they simply stopped spread rot! And before that it was: retired pensioners nostalgic for the union, or loafers

        K.A.S - registered 22.02.2018
        Or you are lying about the fact that you remember the times with minuses; or you are a troll with more than one acc.
        PS No, all the same, the anti-adviser is a diagnosis ...
  49. 0
    16 March 2018 19: 31
    If cons are inevitable, it would be nice if everyone had, say, no more than 10 minuses per day. This will somewhat limit offended by life minus everyone.
  50. +3
    16 March 2018 19: 31
    And what is afraid of black epaulettes with skulls ?! )))) The truth is more expensive! And sometimes it’s not the same to put a minus anyway, which is to pretend that I didn’t notice any obvious meanness! And it would be good if the voting on the articles was open! If it is of course possible! Well, about the ban, if not fair, this is life!)))) But God is not Timoshka, he sees a little bit!
    1. +1
      16 March 2018 19: 33
      For the cons! Definitely!
    2. +2
      18 March 2018 02: 37
      Quote: Oper
      And what is afraid of black epaulettes with skulls ?! ))))

      If a shaved skull of kicks in the ass didn’t get "in youth", then which of them is a warrior? And they’re not kicking out of spite, but to get to giraffes faster. In the army, you know, standards. And then what are the fears of skulls? Well, they won’t take the cow away. Do not swear only, and then they banyat at a time, and they do it right, although they sometimes fool.
      And to cut off the "crowds of drones" of corporal lieutenants so that people don’t spoil the blood, otherwise they suddenly emerge from the portal with bags of slops - a chick, and dudes have a thermometer for freezing, and the "girls" here are very sensitive to received ranks come across for some reason. Although, why do they need it, they are shaking over pseudo-titles, I do not quite understand.
  51. +2
    16 March 2018 19: 33
    When the minuses were removed, the argument was that the absence of a plus is a minus. But “groups” appeared on the site, whose members plus each other. Returning the minuses will make it possible to neutralize such “groups” - if the “group” gave each other pluses, then other participants can instruct minuses. The final result will depend on the quantity of both. I think that healthy forces will win. I'm for the cons. I remember very well that one of the participants became a general in a few months, I don’t remember the nickname, unfortunately. It is against such participants that minuses are needed.
  52. +4
    16 March 2018 19: 36
    I think that "cons" are necessary. But "skulls" should not lead to a "lifetime ban". The maximum period is a week.
    You come out of the “ban” and within a week you continue to receive only “minuses” - again you are “banned” for a week.
    "Lifetime ban" possible only in case of gross violation rules of the site (although I do not agree with some points of these rules).
    But, "the owner is a gentleman." request
    1. +3
      16 March 2018 19: 39
      Quote: Freeman
      You come out of the “ban” and within a week you continue to receive only “minuses” - again you are “banned” for a week.

      Given this state of affairs, are you sure that your “fans” will not provide you with an “eternal” ban? laughing
      1. +5
        16 March 2018 19: 44
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: Freeman
        You come out of the “ban” and within a week you continue to receive only “minuses” - again you are “banned” for a week.

        Given this state of affairs, are you sure that your “fans” will not provide you with an “eternal” ban? laughing

        No I'm not afraid. Here it’s like “on the front line” - a week “under fire”, a week “for rest”. laughing
        But the “perpetual ban” for “skulls” should be cancelled.
        1. +3
          16 March 2018 19: 50
          Quote: Freeman
          But the “perpetual ban” for “skulls” should be cancelled.

          I would generally cancel all the pros and cons, and the same titles. Childhood is everything.
          ps. A bad thought came to me: I shouldn’t open a trade in pluses on the site. Let's say I like a person, and I have a lot of advantages, why not lend to him? laughing
          1. 0
            16 March 2018 22: 26
            Quote: Boris55
            A bad thought came to me: I shouldn’t open a trade in pluses on the site. Let's say I like a person, and I have a lot of advantages, why not lend to him?


            Give it a try. But there may be surprises.
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  54. +5
    16 March 2018 19: 38
    Dear administrator, thank you for another ban!
    1. I am for the cons
    2. You confirmed that there is no reason for BANs.
    3. If you block me, I won’t use your site.
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    2. +1
      16 March 2018 22: 28
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Dear administrator, thank you for another ban!


      If you write, it means you are not banned. Why lie then?

      Quote: Zaurbek
      You confirmed that there is no reason for BANs.


      Yes? And you read the Rules, it can be useful. So many discoveries can be made sometimes...
      1. +1
        17 March 2018 08: 53
        And you read the wishes of the masses about writing off BANs. And get into the habit of answering emails. And then you write to nowhere.
        1. +5
          17 March 2018 09: 03
          Quote: Zaurbek
          wishes of the masses about writing off BANs

          Damn, yeah They didn’t promise to write off BANs for you, but warnings!!
          Ban - this is a temporary (or permanent, GYYY) restriction of your rights on the site.
          A warning - this is something the number of which should not exceed nine...
          Name things correctly, and people will be drawn to you Yes
  55. +11
    16 March 2018 19: 38
    I would also advise punishment for flooding, otherwise you will swallow an interesting article, and then the most interesting thing!!! comments!!!, but no... the first three or four threads are about nothing at all!!! Let's say --- article "On NATO's measures to strengthen its mobility in the eastern direction" ...... people about anything (about the fact that the Americans are skunks, and the Englishwoman is again shitting or something like: -Hello Petya!!!
    -Hello, brother! I’m here on the site!!! Again, these liberals are opening their mouths, it’s clear here, the mongrels are dancing to the tune of the amers and the amers’ curators holed up in the hayloft(с.And.n.a.e).
    .No, it’s clear that we are all not without sin (in terms of flooding, when you are friends with someone, you involuntarily cross the boundaries of discussion and communication with friends leads far from the topic of the article (I used to be friends too and sometimes ran away from the topic, but only sometimes! And these nicknames do this every day, it feels like 25 hours a day! !!!THAT'S WHY!!! My humble wish is that with the return of the minuses, bring back the emergency! I want to come home in the evening and read comments on Moreman topics, for example, only from experienced people, like Boas and Galleons, but this political hype... no, of course I love politics and very often I fast on these topics, but in articles about politics, and not where new German ships or the process of finishing the F-35 are discussed. Therefore, more and more often, instead of sensible comments from Vafa (I don’t even want to discuss this, how bad it is) and the rest of the glorious cohort, willy-nilly, I have to read the comments of all these nurses -Masyanek with their eternal orrodoids and photo kittens. If only I had an “Emergency” button, I wouldn’t have to write this comment.
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      1. +2
        16 March 2018 20: 47
        I went to my profile. I looked through several dozen comments.

        Personally, I would have already banned you as a malicious flooder, clinically incapable of expressing socially useful judgments.

        The moderator is a humanist.
      2. +2
        16 March 2018 20: 59
        Quote: GIGAN
        You need to leave here, there will be no dialogue!
        You know, I read ALL your comments and I’ll say frankly that nothing will happen for me if you leave. You are the so-called. “an exposer of the regime”, but I’m not interested in that, just like the dull comments of the “Marshall guardians”. That’s what my post is about, that your bickering has begun to irritate me quite a bit, and you can’t even hear the thoughts of a military man. The novel is tyrannizing, well I don’t know what to advise in such a difficult situation... you can become a moderator yourself (then he won’t touch you), if it doesn’t work out, then there is only one way out - write a petition to Sportloto, Mr. Clown. hi
        1. +1
          16 March 2018 22: 31
          Quote: Conserp
          The moderator is a humanist.


          Wow... It's crazy...

          Quote: Thunderbolt
          Roman is tyrannizing, well, I don’t know what to advise in such a difficult situation... you can become a moderator yourself (then he won’t touch you)


          To the throne. Just like a throne. The whole problem is that those who read hundreds of such comments no longer strive to write.
    2. 0
      16 March 2018 22: 40
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      I would also advise punishing for flooding, otherwise you will swallow an interesting article, and then the most interesting thing!!!

      Keep!
  56. 0
    16 March 2018 19: 46
    So far, some readers have not begun to unite in organized communities, intensely "minus" all those who are objectionable.

    Forgive me, but again - “great!” Another rake? There are enough advantages for the eyes. There are moderators who monitor the quality of messages. And don’t turn armchair battles into political games. You probably think that it is you who decide the fate of the world and Russia? Yes, celery is in your cap. Emoticons allow you to give a “conditional characterization” to a message. Whether you like it or not, sleep, my beauty.
    Authors and owners of the site! Make a decision according to the principle: “You thought, and I decided...” laughing
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      1. +1
        17 March 2018 22: 58
        Quote: GIGAN
        three warnings... ...the word patriot with the letter o was written

        Quote: GIGAN
        Urapatreots

        Looks like a fourth is looming... smile
    2. +1
      16 March 2018 22: 32
      Quote: Esoteric
      Authors and owners of the site! Make a decision according to the principle: “You thought, and I decided...”


      This is a provocation? The administration decided to ask readers for their opinion. And again everything is wrong for you.
      1. 0
        17 March 2018 08: 54
        In general, this is a good step. I support. It's good to have a conversation once a year.
  57. +4
    16 March 2018 19: 47
    Why can’t I see who voted for my comment and how? It's important for me.
  58. +2
    16 March 2018 19: 49
    If they return the minuses, I’m all for it. There are a lot of trolls on the site, apparently and invisibly. am
  59. +1
    16 March 2018 19: 50
    Limit the limit on cons, because some depressive individuals get carried away with this. And put it in a prominent place: the number of minuses and pluses put (then the “maniac” will be visible laughing ) Otherwise, a lot of Sharikovs will get divorced without everyone seeing: “Yes, I don’t agree! - With whom? - Yes, with both!”
    And the number of pluses will show how much a person values ​​the opinions of others.
    1. +4
      16 March 2018 22: 44
      Quote: ltc35
      put in a prominent place: the number of minuses and pluses placed

      Nothing. Without information, to whom and for what, pros and cons - this “information” is about nothing.
      As well as the proposal to programmatically maintain a balance of pros and cons.
      Trust the programmer wink
  60. +3
    16 March 2018 19: 53
    If you agree with the opinion.+, if you disagree, then -. It's simple!
  61. +3
    16 March 2018 20: 00
    I’m relatively new to VO, I didn’t know that there had already been cons before, and since the vote was posted before the article, obviously, I expressed my opinion and only then read the article itself! Now I don’t even know what to do! I suddenly became interested in whether my opinion often differs from the majority of VO old-timers? How vindictive are the old-timers and how big is their group, with the help of which they can somehow push me away from the discussion?! Friends, I suggest (by the way, it’s not just me) simply using “+” and “-” to express your attitude towards this or that material. But regarding the shoulder straps, this is complete news for me! I thought we were having fun with comments here - these are the non-commissioned officers, junior officers - those who write articles but rarely, and the senior officers, including marshals, are the VO guru. laughing That's how I thought somehow. Didn't get it, sorry! hi Thank you very much for the clarification everyone!!! fellow
  62. +3
    16 March 2018 20: 01
    I want to express my humble personal opinion. Regarding the returns of minuses. I don’t care laughing But in general, to be honest, it was more interesting before. There was more wit, so to speak. Now about
    And this went on for a very long time. Until some of the readers began to unite into organized communities, actively “minus” all those they dislike.
    So it will be in the community or without it. You still know many people and many have similar opinions. So this is a natural process. hi
  63. BAI
    +1
    16 March 2018 20: 05
    that “black-shouldered” commentators

    But really, why do some have black shoulder straps, while the majority have green?
    1. 0
      21 March 2018 14: 27
      But really, why do some have black shoulder straps, while the majority have green?

      There is such a function - selecting shoulder straps. Aviation wears blue, Navy wears black, Army wears maroon.
      Go to your profile, click on the shoulder strap and three colors will appear to choose from. You can change yours. hi
  64. +11
    16 March 2018 20: 07
    FOR ADMINISTRATION
    Guys, this debate (which is better) will be eternal, for one simple reason, most people (including the VO administration, as time has shown) do not understand “why it is needed.” The system of pros and cons should give some advantages to the resource; in themselves they are unnecessary. I advise all supporters and opponents of the minuses to pay attention to the projects
    1) https://ru.stackoverflow.com/
    2) http://math.hashcode.ru/
    and for other projects on the Stack Exchange engine
    What is the difference between the minuses there? everything is very simple Every time you put a minus you reduce your reputation, and when it is below N (number) you lose the opportunity to put minuses. Thus, it is impossible to constantly lower the reputation of a person with an opinion that is not favorable to you.
    What is the difference between the advantages there? everything is very simple The more advantages you have, the greater your reputation, and the greater it is, the more opportunities available to you on the site..
    In general, the combination of these two features leads to the fact that people will not want to downvote the first person they meet, because they will thus deprive themselves of opportunities on the site.
    1. +2
      16 March 2018 20: 50
      Quote: ProkletyiPirat
      The more advantages you have, the greater your reputation, and the greater it is, the more opportunities available to you on the site.

      This works well on specialized technical resources, because they are not “expressing opinions” at all.

      Such a system is fully susceptible to cheating.
      1. 0
        16 March 2018 22: 44
        Name at least one non-technical resource where this system is used, if you can’t, it turns out that your statement cannot be confirmed.
      2. 0
        16 March 2018 22: 50
        Quote: Conserp
        Such a system is fully susceptible to cheating.

        Any system of tops, ratings and reputations is subject to “cheating”, with the exception of the pluses on VO and other similar resources, these pluses are useless because they are not used anywhere and in any way, and therefore they are unnecessary to anyone.
  65. +3
    16 March 2018 20: 09
    Yes, put it from a high tower, on these minuses and pluses.
  66. +1
    16 March 2018 20: 10
    Return the “cons” and, at a certain number per comment, block for a certain period.
  67. +6
    16 March 2018 20: 16
    Cons are probably needed.
    But in my opinion, there is one more problem when discussing articles. Try to find the second comment on this article.
    Now he is probably not second, but one hundred and second in a row. Because many, chasing ratings, leave comments on comment on comment, if only their comment would be higher.
    So, on some sites, comments to comments are collapsed and expanded with a separate plus sign.
    In my opinion, this approach is worthy of being discussed with the leadership of VO.
    1. +3
      16 March 2018 20: 58
      Yes, the comment tree interface here is pretty mediocre.

      Understanding which comment is responding to which (without pressing a button) is almost impossible.

      A particular problem is the lack of sorting, primarily by time.
      1. +4
        17 March 2018 01: 20
        Here I agree with you. Somehow it is customary to read in order starting from the top. You press the reply button and write a response to the comment to a specific author. But your comment flies to another place and loses its semantic purpose. And meanwhile, they confuse or change the meaning of both their own and those of the upper one and the lower one. Sometimes it turns out very funny, and other times not so much. Quoting in this case is inconvenient, as it immediately goes to the end of all comments and is initially lost.
  68. AUL
    +7
    16 March 2018 20: 18
    Quote: Hexagon
    Yes, in my opinion it’s easier to allow rating only to accounts with a certain age, rank and number of comments. Most of the trolls themselves would fall off under such conditions. What is the problem to fence?
    IMHO, this does not solve the problem. Age - how do you determine? School kids, of course, are immediately visible, but there are also adults who are indistinguishable from boys. The titles of the idiots are gaining quickly, as is the number of comments (mostly through stupid giggling in the comments to the news). It would probably be better to cancel the toy epaulets and highlight mini-statistics: the number of posts - the number of pluses - the number of minuses. This would give a more objective picture of the person. Otherwise, on the site there are generals who have clearly abandoned the army (or are of pre-conscription age)
  69. +4
    16 March 2018 20: 26
    Normal people remain in history and weapons, and let the weak-minded people measure their pros in poor news, now I’ll be banned again wink
    And the word diapers, Khibiny, etc. classify him as obscene and do not publish comments with him
  70. +4
    16 March 2018 20: 30
    Minuses are needed, otherwise the site began to “smell” of tolerance.)))
  71. +1
    16 March 2018 20: 52
    But I don’t really care, I don’t come here for “epaulets.” hi And this is not the first time I’ve changed my nickname, they banned me for swearing...and they did the right thing.
    HELLO VADIM and ROM! wink
    1. 0
      16 March 2018 22: 35
      And you won't get sick...
      1. 0
        17 March 2018 08: 20
        Why such innovations is unclear...
        1. +4
          17 March 2018 08: 29
          Quote: kalibr
          Why such innovations is unclear...

          Yes, it’s clear why you “don’t understand” wink
  72. +4
    16 March 2018 20: 55
    Quote: Crowe
    Now the gangs of "positives" will conduct their policies. Who does not agree with them - in the skull.
    People come to your senses! Your right to freedom of speech will be taken away from you. Take a look at how many false generals and false marshals have become: he himself saw the generals with 400 comments. They pissed me too, so that I would not rock the boat. They will minus you. Their -80 and -100 against the colonel's -25 - do not pull. Many will leave the site. Come to your senses!

    Well, if they leave, they will leave! We have already started to turn into blondes! They will find a place to talk about military topics, there are some analogues. On topics that are interesting for Israelis and sympathizers, it will be funny to observe, and understand how we, Russians, give in to this when everyone is downvoted, and ours... well, you will see for yourself, Kinchev also sang:
    "...We won't help in a fight, but if war happens,
    God willing, we will win, God willing, we will win!”
    Well, the general-marshal groups, kissing each other with names, can also pile up a heap, there can be a lot of things... Someone of few words will move on to reading, without comments, but generously, for the sake of fun, will give everyone minuses, there are such people too... Remains hope that REASON WILL EVER WIN! Although it's unlikely...
  73. BAI
    +6
    16 March 2018 20: 59
    All on the Maidan: we will talk about the return of the "minuses"!

    And what about this:
    1. I do not agree with your opinion, but I am ready to die so that you can express it.
    2. Truth in science is not determined by a majority vote (a more famous option is that millions of flies cannot be wrong....).
    Those. who and on what basis will receive the right to determine for others what is good and what is bad?
    If you don’t like it, explain with reason why your opponent is wrong, prove your position.
    And so, the monkey with the keyboard will be in the most advantageous position - he said “The Volga flows into the Caspian Sea” and rivet everyone with cons. You'll be great.
    And the topics raised in discussions are sensitive; there is no clear opinion on them.
    I am convinced that the possibility of no evidentiary downvote will harm the site. Mass popularity will outweigh bright, extraordinary opinions.
    1. +2
      16 March 2018 21: 03
      Quote: BAI
      If you don’t like it, explain with reason why your opponent is wrong, prove your position.

      It is with this approach that the monkey with the keyboard is in the most advantageous position.

      One reasonable, well-reasoned comment can always be drowned by a stream of 10, 20, 50 comments of unbridled flood. After all, you don’t have to strain your brain to do this.
      1. BAI
        +2
        16 March 2018 21: 25
        Quote: BAI
        If you don’t like it, explain with reason why your opponent is wrong, prove your position.
        It is with this approach that the monkey with the keyboard is in the most advantageous position.

        I do not understand something.
        1. How can a monkey argue something?
        2. And in the next sentence, what did I write?
        And so, the monkey with the keyboard will be in the most advantageous position - he said “The Volga flows into the Caspian Sea” and rivet everyone with cons. You'll be great.

        Which of these two sentences is the commentary on?

        By the way, this is not why I came back here. I forgot to add - the possibility of simple minus gives a lot of scope for petty mischief. If you can’t object to someone, so here’s just a minus for you without comments. That's all.
        1. 0
          16 March 2018 22: 57
          Quote: BAI
          1. How can a monkey argue something?

          The monkey simply does not need to argue.

          Therefore, the monkey will always overwhelm the “argumentator” with his gross flood productivity.

          Am I writing incomprehensibly or not in Russian?

          Quote: BAI
          If you can’t object to someone, so here’s just a minus for you without comments.

          How does this differ from simply including the “fairy tale about the white bull” and other bullshit?

          The monkeys, unable to argue cogently, walk in herds. Any "anti-gun" in any topic about short-barreled guns, for example.
    2. +1
      16 March 2018 22: 24
      Quote: BAI
      And so, the monkey with the keyboard will be in the most advantageous position - he said “The Volga flows into the Caspian Sea” and rivet everyone with cons. You'll be great.

      Those. you declared almost everyone (or let’s say the majority of Forum residents) to be monkeys in advance - without any evidence (by any chance, you didn’t practice with Theresa May)...?!

      And you are hinting that you are definitely from the caste of “warriors of light”... belay

      Yes, and you communicated during the period when there were minuses... I don’t remember when at least some adequate people were downvoted... but frank g... they were downvoted right up to the marshal’s skulls and that’s right - society got rid of itself from rot, and most often there was no need for a tough hand from an uncle from the site owner (only in exceptional cases) ...

      So for me the former rules + and - were completely reasonable...
  74. +4
    16 March 2018 21: 02
    Quote: Lesorub
    Return the “cons” and, at a certain number per comment, block for a certain period.

    Congratulations! Perhaps you will soon become the first blocked, for a certain period of time! Why? Yes, it seemed to you that you showed off your intelligence, put your soul into the comment, but... It only seemed to you, and the fact that you have such an opinion, who cares? That's right, no one...
  75. +4
    16 March 2018 21: 02
    Quote: Conserp
    And still the opportunity to hang up personal labels would not hurt.

    Remembering all the trolls, the Nazis and the mentally retarded is an unnecessary concern.

    ---------------------------------------------
    Do you have a pen on hand? Write it down, I dictate. Latent anti-Semite (challenges the exclusivity of God's chosen ones), chauvinist, neo-communist, anti-globalist, anti-Americanist, left conservative and Marxist-Leninist (at the same time Maoist, Chegewarian and Jucheist), anti-Anglo-Saxon (speaks English), IQ = 125 (probably still a latent Jew, well, or Ashkenazi, even though he comes from the remote Volga region), an anti-democrat (although seemingly for the will of the majority), does not agree with the current government. Once I formulate something else, I’ll add to your dossier.
    1. +2
      16 March 2018 21: 05
      Quote: Altona
      Latent anti-Semite (challenges the exclusivity of God's chosen ones), chauvinist, neo-communist, anti-globalist, anti-Americanist, left conservative and Marxist-Leninist (at the same time Maoist, Chegewarian and Jucheist), anti-Anglo-Saxon (speaks English), IQ = 125 (probably still a latent Jew, well, or Ashkenazi, even though he comes from the remote Volga region), an anti-democrat (although seemingly for the will of the majority), does not agree with the current government.

      I just read it.... And my head started spinning.... request
    2. BAI
      +1
      16 March 2018 21: 30
      You missed the epithets that I personally received: grant-eater (extremely strange), Russophobe (?!), cynic (quite possible).
    3. 0
      18 March 2018 00: 58
      Lord, how difficult it is! I immediately cut off all guesses in the bud. Housewife. No questions. I am the most peaceful and unprofessional participant here. And I voted for the minuses, precisely as a layman. I wrote something. It costs zero. Did I write such nonsense that I wasn’t even worth anyone’s attention? Or are there 10 pluses and the same number of minuses? And if there are pros and cons, then I want to know whose specific ones. Because I’m a pure loner here, but there are some people here that I respect very much, whose opinions are important to me. As well as vice versa - what some characters put to me is indifferent to me.
  76. +2
    16 March 2018 21: 03
    Quote: Flame
    Minuses are needed, otherwise the site began to “smell” of tolerance.)))

    Well, well... We'll check in six months to see if it smells like stuffed pike!
  77. +3
    16 March 2018 21: 12
    Quote: Crowe
    And here is one of them. Take a look at his rating and the number of comments.
    Komtov - 4 177, and a rating of two million.

    Now it will begin: be healthy, yes brother, yes godfather, yes neighbor. Everywhere this is called familiarity and showing off, you have to hit a friend - there is a personal message, but not here... The first group, in the meantime, as we see, has emerged! Are you considering your potential disadvantages for today, for disagreement? That's it... And why bother the grandma, look at the voting numbers!
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  81. +3
    16 March 2018 21: 24
    IMHO + or is agreement or disagreement with the comment, and the rest is nonsense. I don’t care what rating or shoulder strap I have, but only a moderator or admin can ban, but not as a minus.
    1. 0
      16 March 2018 22: 37
      Quote: Horon
      Only a moderator or admin can ban, but not as a minus.


      Only the administration bans. Cons will not limit anything.
      1. +2
        17 March 2018 18: 03
        I barely found my comment! what Yes, only the admin bans, and the moderator can delete the comment, he made a small mistake! As I understand it, the current version of the “cons” should become an indicator of the popularity of the comment (or commenter). but at the same time, no one is talking about expelling the “downvoted” participant for dissent.
        PS IMHO I am for the cons! The opportunity to express your “fi!” there should be, especially when it is described in detail and in a language accessible to the opponent and without turning the forum into a bazaar showdown, there may not be time! Shouldn’t you run to the admin or moderator for something stupid expressed by your opponent (especially if the rules are not actually violated by the participant)?! So that they remove such “masterpieces” from the discussion feed, so that the stupidity expressed does not turn into aggressive showdowns between opponents. And the participant was able to see the adequacy of his comments! I've been especially tired lately of political slogans and showdowns in news feeds with topics completely unrelated to politics. hi
  82. +2
    16 March 2018 21: 32
    Gentlemen. I voted FOR, but then I thought: my opinion is often just my opinion. Which is at odds with general propaganda. No one is interested in listening to criticism from the localities. Although, it’s even interesting what will come of it.
  83. 0
    16 March 2018 21: 36
    Warrior-80,
    Learn from your mistakes. Fools always do this.
  84. +3
    16 March 2018 21: 41
    What is the goal in (-)? Siege a person for obscene language or personal insults? For this purpose, there are complaints from the administration and if he is insane, then he is banned. And the minuses will be used to hammer down an opinion different from your own. Is that bad. Therefore, I don’t see the point in minuses, for the post “airborne forces” you will immediately receive 500+, and for the post “fewer missiles, more for healthcare” 500-.
    1. +2
      16 March 2018 22: 32
      Quote: Nix1986
      Is that bad. Therefore, I don’t see the point in minuses, for the post “airborne forces” you will immediately receive 500+, and for the post “fewer missiles, more for healthcare” 500-.

      1) Give an example that this is exactly what happened... this time...
      2) What about outright lies and manipulation of facts now? One or two posts, but maybe no one will pay attention to them, and when there are still a certain number of minuses for them, then they will pay attention and say... maybe even in defense...
      3) Why were you so afraid of the minuses?! belay
      1. NKT
        +2
        17 March 2018 00: 36
        And who, excuse me, will check the lies and distortion of facts? The age-old question, who are the judges?
    2. +1
      16 March 2018 22: 55
      Quote: Nix1986
      for the post “fewer missiles, more for healthcare” 500-.

      For such posts the troll should be banned immediately.
      1. 0
        17 March 2018 07: 40
        In this case, you are the one who touches and provokes laughing
      2. 0
        17 March 2018 12: 59
        In 1991, we had more missiles than the United States and more submarines... And how did it end? Happiness does not lie in rockets!
        1. +1
          17 March 2018 21: 48
          And if there were no missiles, then you personally and your entire family would have been in the ground long ago.

          Say thank you to the missiles and those who riveted them in sufficient quantities, there are still enough of them.
  85. +1
    16 March 2018 22: 05
    Pros and cons - this is all great, but I'm more concerned about the disgusting optimization of the mobile version of the site. The more comments there are under an article, the more difficult it is to leave your own. On my fairly powerful smartphone, characters are entered with a terrible freeze. You have to (as now) type a comment in the mobile office, and on VO you simply paste it into the message. Although even this operation is performed with difficulty. Don't waste your time voting. In half a year they will start talking about biased “minuses” again. Better optimize the mobile version engine.
    1. +1
      17 March 2018 08: 30
      We're already working on it
  86. +7
    16 March 2018 22: 07
    I will repeat what I have already said many times:
    Cons: Negative feedback. Without OOS, the system (any) goes haywire.
    Which, in fact, happened to VO after the abolition of these very disadvantages.
    In particular, a large crowd of screamers and agitators appeared, who simply could not survive before. For natural reasons Yes I’m not talking about just trolls who take advantage of the fact that, without formally being rude, you can say anything at all. And they feel great about it.
    My opinion is that cons are needed.
    1. +2
      16 March 2018 22: 22
      Only for you the absence of minuses is a plus.
      1. +4
        16 March 2018 22: 25
        Quote: Vadim237
        Only for you the absence of minuses is a plus.

        Translate wink
      2. +2
        16 March 2018 23: 58
        Vadim237 Well, you don’t have to worry about the downsides. Let's take it back and multiply it.

        Although maybe I also misunderstood something
        1. +4
          17 March 2018 00: 01
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          maybe I also misunderstood something

          As I understand it, Vadim decided to bite me lightly... but then he became shy.
          In general, I love Vadim... but with such a strange love.
          The guy doesn’t really know anything, but he has his own opinion about everything. Competent laughing
          1. +1
            17 March 2018 01: 06
            If I didn’t really know anything, I wouldn’t write anything. And what was stated above means that if minuses are introduced, then you will first of all be sent to the “minus”.
            1. +4
              17 March 2018 08: 17
              Quote: Vadim237
              if they introduce minuses, then you will be sent to the "minus" first of all

              Vadim, unlike you (a professional amateur), I’m still, um... a pro at something.
              For example, I can perfectly imagine how the database “lying” under this site is structured.
              And I also perfectly imagine that, if desired, such “malicious downvoters” are not only easy to identify, but very easily.
              So don’t worry about me so much, it’s not worth it stop
          2. +1
            17 March 2018 01: 11
            you both write adequate comments

            And we’ll be alone in the trench. So let’s better kick together the minions of the ochlocracy and other non-Polish people drinks
            1. +4
              17 March 2018 11: 40
              Quote: s-t Petrov
              you both write adequate comments
              Since when did supporting Yeltsin’s protégé and the country’s biggest populist, Putin, become adequate? lol
              Quote: s-t Petrov
              It’s better to kick together the minions of the ochlocracy and other non-Polish people
              There are, thank God, more supporters of the socialist path of development and people of left-wing views in general here. So you, minions of the authorities, will quickly be put in your place by minuses.
              1. +2
                17 March 2018 11: 48
                Of course, you can defeat anyone on your couch, but when you go outside, into another reality wassat you will understand how pitiful your imaginary world is and how far it is from reality

                Tomorrow life will once again tell you where reality is and where wet dreams are.

                If you look at how many millions of government minions there will be in Crimea and the Caucasus, immediately write them down as non-humans and fight them with your disadvantages.

                You will be surprised to know how many millions of government minions are beyond the Urals and in the central part of the country.

                In general, you will wipe out your virtual reality glasses. You are in the minority. And this is an objective reality.

                So you, minions of the authorities, will quickly be put in your place by minuses.


                First, put your head and life in place.

                And on the Internet, of course, fight Putin along with the Poles, Svidomo, liberals, Britons, jihadists, Americans and all this crap

                Life will still put you in your place.

                Be healthy! wink
                1. +3
                  17 March 2018 12: 03
                  Quote: s-t Petrov
                  you can certainly win on your couch
                  People usually sleep on the sofa, or just lie down. And Petrov defeats someone, funny...
                  Quote: s-t Petrov
                  you will understand how pitiful your imaginary world is and how far it is from reality
                  Alas, Petrov, he is pitiful for you. And apparently limited to the propaganda of Channel One. Well, you probably shouldn’t change anything in this life, right? Better yet, look further at diving for amphorae and flying with Siberian Cranes.
                  Quote: s-t Petrov
                  Tomorrow life will tell you once again where reality is
                  Everyone has the same reality, only some put up with it (because at heart they are passive people who are afraid of change), while others try to change it.
                  Quote: s-t Petrov
                  how many millions of government minions will end up in Crimea and the Caucasus
                  Thank God, Russia is large enough and is not limited to these regions.
                  Quote: s-t Petrov
                  You will be surprised to know how many millions of government minions are beyond the Urals and in the central part of the country.
                  I actually live beyond the Urals. In one of the most protest regions of the country.
                  Quote: s-t Petrov
                  In general, you will wipe your glasses
                  Have you wiped yours recently?
                  1. +2
                    17 March 2018 12: 06
                    Drive on, you will start arguing with your comrades in the struggle, changer.

                    I’ll actually write to you tomorrow. Which one of us lives where with you?
  87. +2
    16 March 2018 22: 07
    Quote: RASKAT
    Twenty cons, tribunal and execution. laughing

    First diesel, and then execution. Well, to be honest, I read the comments and was disappointed.
    Grown-up boys, give them pluses/minuses, they will raise/demote in rank. Shame! and that's all...
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    2. +1
      17 March 2018 12: 54
      So argue with this audience, right?
  88. +4
    16 March 2018 22: 08
    If you look at the minuses through a raised middle finger, they become pluses. feel
  89. +2
    16 March 2018 22: 09
    I vote “for” the minuses, although I understand perfectly well that I will receive minuses from both Putin’s adherents and Grudinin’s adherents, as well as from all other adherents. But on the other hand, it is more important to have principles and follow them and, accordingly, receive minuses for this, at best, than to profess sectarianism under any sauce.
    1. +5
      16 March 2018 22: 15
      Well, we waited... Hello to you! lol
      The doctor on duty in the resident's room is sleeping, the last injection has been given, the doors of the department are locked...
      Hello, virtual world of freedom!
      laughing
      1. +4
        16 March 2018 22: 20
        Good evening... hi
        The doctor on duty in the resident's room is sleeping, the last injection has been given

        There are no last-minute injections, I usually woke up at night and asked for an injection, and woke everyone up...:) (well, not on purpose, of course) And my sister was so cute on a tiny sofa, taking a nap in the huge hall, I felt sorry for waking her up.....
        1. +3
          16 March 2018 22: 23
          Quote: DEZINTO
          Good evening..

          Mutually, colleague
          hi
          The charge nurse, before leaving for the resident room, must “calm down” all the patients...
          drinks
      2. +1
        16 March 2018 22: 24
        smile Have you read Orwell?
    2. +2
      16 March 2018 22: 37
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      I vote “for” the minuses, although I understand perfectly well that I will receive minuses from both Putin’s adherents and Grudinin’s adherents, as well as from all other adherents. But on the other hand, it is more important to have principles and follow them and, accordingly, receive minuses for this, at best, than to profess sectarianism under any sauce.

      This is what you write now... But for the “adepts” and the exaltation of such an intelligent and “independent” cosmopolitan, you would be provided with “skulls on shoulder straps” and you would scream at the top of the “Ivanovo” that they do not understand you and do not valued, etc. and the like. And there would be hundreds of complaints... So shut up and rejoice for now at everything that some comrades have done for you... hi
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  90. +1
    16 March 2018 22: 16
    lis-ik,

    They jam him, his electronic warfare is rather weak laughing . So he is reincarnated.
  91. +2
    16 March 2018 22: 20
    Quote: bubalik
    If you look at the minuses through a raised middle finger, they become pluses. feel

    Hello Colleague, as a joke, if you look at a nuclear explosion through your thumb at arm’s length and you can’t see it, then it is not dangerous laughing hi
    And so the minuses are needed, but not for a ban, but for rating the comment, let the moderators assign the ban. But also minus laughing let him see how people react to his comment, maybe without even lowering their so-called ranks hi
  92. +2
    16 March 2018 22: 45
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    I’m not talking about just trolls who take advantage of the fact that, without formally being rude, you can say anything at all. And they feel great about it.

    ---------------------------
    Oh, the train from Kashira has arrived. With negative feedback. laughing good
    1. +4
      16 March 2018 22: 49
      Quote: Altona
      The train from Kashira has arrived

      From Moscow Yes
      Dogs walked and fed, dinner sozh eaten, tomorrow is a day off... blunder good
      Quote: Altona
      With negative feedback

      Well, where would life be without them? Now, your leg hurts, which means it’s time to see the doctor... otherwise it will fall off... away request
      The only way Yes
  93. +7
    16 March 2018 23: 00
    At this stage, entering minuses will lead to the fact that only hamsters will remain on the site under the careful supervision of a group of generalissimos in the “News” section. I understand that this is the purpose of this event. This cannot in any way affect the quality of the materials. But it is very convenient to deal with the general pounding of drums and blowing of panfares that interferes with everyone.
    1. +6
      16 March 2018 23: 02
      Quote: Curious
      entering minuses will result in only hamsters remaining on the site

      These are the ones who are prone to
      Quote: Curious
      ...beating drums and blowing panfares

      , Yes?
      IMHO unlikely. I will, at least to the best of my ability, try to, ahem... prevent this.
      And I think I'm not alone.
      1. +3
        16 March 2018 23: 28
        And how are you going to prevent it? If it `s not a secret.
        1. +8
          16 March 2018 23: 36
          Quote: Curious
          And how are you going to prevent it?

          Yes, about the same as before. Purely in words Yes
          Well, there definitely won’t be any downsides here. As someone rightly noted, it’s easier to put a minus than to explain the same thing twenty times.
          However, they will also instruct me... well, okay, not for the first time, tea.
    2. +3
      17 March 2018 07: 50
      Yes, that’s how it was, the comments began with a post ala “Airborne force” in order to grab the advantages or “let’s brother for the infantry” drinks , and if anyone said a word against GDP, buhurt began.
  94. +1
    16 March 2018 23: 12
    If you downvote, then with a justification and so that you can see who put the downvote. Malicious downvoters will be banned.
  95. +4
    16 March 2018 23: 18
    Minuses are needed at least in terms of understanding for yourself,
    How right are you in your statements?
    And when the jackals flock together and drown them with a specialist,
    Well, that's not good at all.
    1. +4
      16 March 2018 23: 38
      Quote: Zomanus
      when jackals flock together and drown them with a special tool, well, that’s not good at all

      Such things are “caught” at once.
      The data, as far as I understand, is stored in the cheekbone (SQL).
      Write a query that reveals the fact of “malicious minus” - how to send two bytes. Naturally, with a sane data structure wink
    2. 0
      17 March 2018 01: 54
      Quote: Zomanus
      in terms of understanding for yourself,
      How right are you in your statements?

      This can be explained to you when entering into a dialogue. Giving your opinion and giving reasons for it, and not just anonymously throwing out a bunch of minuses. This is completely unconstructive.
  96. +3
    16 March 2018 23: 42
    After reading the topic, I remembered two cases when there were disadvantages. One participant posted a photo with a blatant blooper in the background. And what is the result? A bunch of minuses and three deleted comments. Powerful discussion. And in the end, the man did not understand what he was wrong about.
    In another case, the participant expresses his vision and asks the interlocutor for his opinion. And in response there was silence and cons. And what is this discussion topic?
  97. +3
    16 March 2018 23: 47
    Pros and cons are absolutely necessary, because the site is often visited by such “frostbitten” people, usually from abroad, that any normal discussion of the article is thrown off track. At the same time, the site moderators behave extremely strangely. Protecting trolls and punishing site regulars. This site is perceived by visitors as having a military-patriotic orientation, but the moderators think differently. More often limit the rights of trolls who pour in dozens of bullying comments on each article, specifically increasing the intensity of passions, then you won’t have to look for opportunities to ban them completely. And one more thing (if anyone is interested in my opinion) There is no need to ban completely, limit the rights of violent people partially, either by limiting the number of comments on a single article, or by banning them for another week so that they cool down and come to their senses.
  98. +1
    17 March 2018 00: 09
    Svarog51,
    Yes, they are like that from the Ministry of Emergency Situations, they only pretend that they sleep all year round. Seryozha, hello. Read the comment below according to the will.
    1. 0
      21 March 2018 14: 45
      Hi Lesha hi
      Yes, they are like that from the Ministry of Emergency Situations, they only pretend that they sleep all year round.

      What is it? So, as you can see, I’ve lost everything in the world. It was only on the fourth day that I saw your comment. Sometimes it happens. wink drinks
  99. +4
    17 March 2018 00: 10
    I voted - I don't care. Somehow the site came to me on its own. He is a military man, I am a military man... I liked it, bookmarked it, look at it regularly, and raises new topics every day. As I understand it, the VO website requires serious people with life experience. It is advisable to express your opinion in more detail, even in a dispute. And the pros, cons... we have already earned our military ranks... some are career, some are in reserve, some are retired... wink Truth is more valuable.
  100. +1
    17 March 2018 00: 11
    Svarog51,
    For getting in, no criminal record, this is not your merit, but my shortcoming. Tell your godfather if you don't get in. laughing
    1. 0
      21 March 2018 14: 48
      Tell your godfather if you don't get in.

      No, her husband is a traffic cop, albeit a former one. But I value my rights and it’s expensive to meet my wife on foot. tongue