Myths about Lawrence Pavlovich Beria

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Myths about Lawrence Pavlovich Beria


Myth.

The atrocities of L. Beria were thoroughly investigated and brought to court

Fact.

Beria's case consisted of 45 volumes that were collected in half a year. But 90% of materials are not original documents and interrogation protocols, but typewritten copies certified by the major of the Prosecutor’s Office, Yuryeva. What kind of prosecutor who does not require the originals? And were they anyway? In the case of Beria, there were many violations. If he was arrested on June 26, then on what basis, because only 30 June was opened? In the decree on depriving Beria of parliamentary immunity from 26 of June there is a reference to the case, which was not open then! They did it, obviously, in hindsight. There is not a single case, even in the form of a certified copy, of Beria’s confrontation report with other arrested because of him. This suggests that there was no one to meet the “gang members”. The arrested, realizing what this means, began to blame everything on the chief. In the case there is not a single examination, not a single investigative experiment, a judicial photograph was not used. Many references were to long-dead persons who could not refute their words.

Myth.

L. Beria repressed the leading officials of Ukraine

Fact.

We are talking about Postyshev, Kosiore and Chubar. First, they themselves were quite brutal leaders who conducted mass repressions. So, Postyshev in general did not even sign the lists of convicts, but the lines with their numbers. In January 1938, he pointedly stated at the Plenum that he would continue arresting and destroying the enemies of the people. Almost immediately, Postyshev was removed from his candidacy as a member of the Politburo and was arrested. But then, at the head of the NKVD stood Yezhov. Before Beria arrived there, it was still half a year. The Postyshev case was checked personally by Molotov and Voroshilov, and the politician was shot dead for the extermination of party members and innocent people. Kosior and Chubar stood for collectivization in Ukraine and the subsequent famine. Kosior was arrested on May 3 of the year 1938, again long before coming to Beria's NKVD. And the convicts were handed down to the criminals by the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court.

Myth.

L. Beria proposed to Stalin to create detachments to shoot the retreating

Fact.

In fact, detachments are known since ancient times, they were used before Ancient Rome. But in the Russian army, such measures were not applied. During the Civil War, detachments were created at critical moments in order to avoid flight from the front. And during the Great Patriotic War, the directive on the creation of detachments was signed by 27 June Tymoshenko and Zhukov. By order of Stakes, this practice was extended to all fronts. The barrage of the NKVD caught the stragglers and fled from the front, delaying only 10 October 1941 of the year 650 thousand people! Thus, parts of Beria solved a strategic task, not allowing the front to collapse. Of this number, only 25 thousand were arrested, the rest returned to the front. So what kind of atrocities can we talk about? There are orders of Zhukov, who offered to shoot all at all without dismantling deserters.

Myth.

Liberated Soviet prisoners of war L. Beria sent to the Gulag

Fact.

It turns out that another article appeared in the wording of the RSFSR Criminal Code of 1938, according to which surrender to the enemy in captivity in an inappropriate situation was punishable by execution with confiscation of property. First of all, it is worth noting that there is a myth that the Red Army surrendered en masse, especially in the 1941 year. The numbers range from 4,5 to 6,2 to millions of people. The Germans themselves meticulously calculated that in 1941, they had captured 2,5 a million soldiers. The 16 bet of August 1941 of the year issued a tough order that allowed deserters to be punished and surrendered. These were brutal measures, but the country was on the verge of disaster. In December 1941, the orders of the State Defense Committee and Stalin set up filtration camps to check those released from captivity. In fact, it was a completely necessary measure. There is a document from 1 of October 1944 of the year, according to which 350 of thousands of servicemen released from encirclement and released from captivity were checked. 250 thousand people were transferred back to the army after verification, another 30 thousand were sent to work in industry. Arrested by the same authorities SMERSH of all 11500 people. It follows from the document that over 95% of ex-prisoners of war was tested, and the total number at the end of the war was at the level of 90%. With the end of battles, the number of people in the filtration camps has increased dramatically. Of 1,8 million, 1 million successfully passed the test, these people were returned to the army. Another 600 thousand were sent to work in industry, to restore the economy. 340 thousands of people got to the camps, that is, only about 18% of those checked out. There is also an interesting STB document from 18 of August 1945 of the year, in which the “playfulness” of former prisoners is refuted at least by permission to take families to the place of work.

Myth.

L. Beria was a member of a special tribunal of the 1937 model of the year.

Fact.

The information that L. Beria was a member of a special tribunal of the 1937 model of the year, commonly referred to as the “troika”, could not even be found by Khrushchev investigators.

Myth.

L. Beria and Abakumov concocted a fake Leningrad affair

Fact.

29 December 1945, Marshal Beria, was relieved of his duties as Commissar, starting a nuclear project. So he did not have a relationship with the state security agencies, with the exception of atomic intelligence. The ministry was under the management of Abakumov, who launched a high-profile case. And the executions were carried out by the MGB.

Myth.

L. Beria killed Stalin, who no longer trust him

Fact.

The question of the transfer of Beria to the Lubyanka as a minister was decided during Stalin’s lifetime. Would he appoint a person whom he didn’t trust as the head of the special services? This decision was due to the mess and violations that have appeared in recent years in the MGB. And Khrushchev supervised the ministry, Beria’s henchmen of his appointees immediately began to be dismissed. Lavrenty Pavlovich already had experience in restoring the work of state security organs and internal affairs. He even managed to request the approval of the Central Committee to arrest the former Minister of State Security Ignatieff, identifying Stalin's murderers. But L. Beria was no longer allowed to finish the job.

Myth.

L. Beria, being an agent of Western intelligence, advocated the unification of Germany

Fact.

This accusation Beria brought backdating, after his execution. The most interesting thing is that story confirmed his innocence. In 1989, Germany united thanks to Gorbachev, although this could have happened much earlier and on the initiative of a completely different person. The very idea of ​​splitting Germany belonged to the Americans and the British, who did not want to see a powerful competitor in the center of Europe. Stalin repeatedly stressed that in the future he sees a united and strong democratic Germany, and sees its split as a last resort. Back in March 1947, riots broke out in the American zone due to the looting of the invaders. But Western propaganda was trumpeting about the fact that people in the Soviet half live not so well and democratically. The USSR closely followed the riots in the GDR that arose not without the participation of Western intelligence agencies. Molotov at a meeting of the Presidium of the Council of Ministers proposed to introduce Soviet troops into this country to support the regime. Suddenly, Beria spoke, who said that the main thing was peace in Germany, and what form of government it would no longer matter. He motivated his position that a single country, even a bourgeois one, would become a serious counterbalance to America. Thanks to the harsh measures and the introduction of troops, the unrest in the GDR was suppressed. But the principled position of Beria was misunderstood, but prophetic.

Myth.

L. Beria is personally to blame for the repression against the former wife of Molotov, Pauline Pearl

Fact.

This myth appeared thanks to Molotov himself. There is a legend that immediately after being appointed to the post of Commissar Beria, he asked Molotov how he could help. Allegedly, the Minister of Foreign Affairs asked for the return of Polina Pearl. Based on the statement of the words, you might think that it was Lavrenty Pavlovich who put her behind bars. In fact, Beria had nothing to do with this, since at the time of the arrest of the woman, the investigation and sentencing, the MGB was not headed. In this post sat Abakumov. He knew that the Pearl passed on the secrets of Molotov to the Israeli ambassador, and her other actions spoke directly about espionage activities. Molotov’s wife was released the day after Stalin’s death, by order of Beria, and he was immediately rehabilitated and reinstated in the party. So Lavrenty Pavlovich played only a positive role in the fate of the Pearl.

Myth.

because of L. Beria, potatoes, vegetables and herring disappeared in the USSR in 1953 year

Fact.

Beria is often blamed on problems in agriculture. Allegedly, he at the Presidium of the Central Committee sent a draft solution to the problem with vegetables for revision. But after all, the Presidency was 10 people who could make the decision by an overwhelming majority. In fact, it was Beria who understood most of the other politicians in agriculture, closely tackling this issue in the 1930 in Georgia. He fundamentally demanded a revision of the raw project. And later, Mikoyan laid the blame for the lack of herring on Beria, which he has nothing in common with reality.

Myth.

L. Beria overheard Stalin in the Kremlin

Fact.

This myth has appeared in our time. With the recent reconstruction of the Kremlin, there was evidence that Stalin's office was bugged. Immediately blamed the "gray cardinal" of the Soviet Union, Beria. Journalists jumped at the famous name, realizing that nobody would be interested in a smaller figure. In the structure of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) - CPSU, there was a special service department, which in 1952-1953 was headed by Deputy Minister of State Security I. Savchenko, a close friend of Khrushchev. It was she who had all the opportunities to listen to Stalin's office. In the last year of his life he was alarmed by the activities of Khrushchev. It was easy to install a wiretap - in the last months of his life the leader rarely came to the Kremlin.

Myth.

on the eve of the war L. Beria defeated Soviet intelligence

Fact.

Before 1937, military intelligence was a sad sight. The failures followed one after the other, a mess reigned. Among the agents were many suspicious personalities, the staff were foreigners with relatives abroad. In addition, Trotsky’s supporters were in the lineup. Who this structure worked for is still a question. Beria only completed the process begun under Ezhov. Under him, both the age and national composition of the service changed. As a result, during the Second World War, Soviet intelligence began to be considered the strongest in the world. Professionals remained in office, who served not for the ephemeral ideas of the world revolution, but for their homeland. Beria restored the legality of the activities of special departments, helped to improve the efficiency of the service, its interaction and coordination.

Myth.

on the eve of the war L. Beria initiated the deportation of the population of Western Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus, the Baltic States

Fact.

In the archives there are quite clear numbers on the deportation of the Balts on the eve of the war. Of the 4, millions of people were arrested and evicted just 40 thousand people, including prostitutes and criminals. The state security agencies had accurate data that in the event of war in the new territories a fifth column would be involved. Merkulov prepared in the Central Committee a note on the cleansing of the Baltic from counter-revolutionaries, former security guards, gendarmes, officers, landowners. This measure was cruel and in no way democratic. But after all, the state sought to strengthen its security in this way. And the signature on the document left Merkulov. Similar measures were taken in Ukraine. Belarus and Moldova. Not everything was also evicted, but those who had already been compromised and provided potential danger.

Myth.

At the end of the war, on the initiative of L. Beria, a massive deportation of Chechens, Crimean Tatars, Ingush, Kabardians and other small peoples was carried out.

Fact.

From the point of view of the Soviet laws, representatives of these nations committed such crimes that they would have to shoot almost the entire male population. That would be a real genocide. So the Soviet government chose a much softer path for retribution. The peoples who collaborated with the Germans were evicted to places where they could not bring harm to the country. We shouldn’t talk about genocide, because the deported peoples surpassed others in demography, especially the Slavs, the peoples of the country. Lying is also the claim that Beria received the Order of Suvorov for such an action. The award took place on March 7 1944 of the year, as the head of the NKVD was marked by the leadership for participating in making a break in the course of the war. And the eviction of the Chechens and the Ingush began only on February 23, which can not be associated with a reward. And the cooperation of the mentioned nations with the fascists is a proven fact - the Germans understood the importance of the Crimea and the Caucasus and were preparing to start a civil war there, cooperating with the indigenous peoples. Yes, and often the initiators of the eviction of nations were not Stalin and Beria, but the front commanders. They had to attract up to 15% forces to fight gangs in the rear. So the problem required a solution.

Myth.

under the leadership of L. Beria, the internal affairs agencies allowed mass espionage of the German intelligence services, which in many ways caused the tragedy of June 22

Fact.

Debunking this myth is easy if we turn to the professional opinion of the Germans. At the Nuremberg trials, Field Chief Marshal Keitel, head of the German Armed Forces, said that information about the Soviet Union and the Red Army was extremely scarce. The agents' data concerned the tactical zone, but information was never received that seriously affected the course of hostilities. One of the leaders of the Abwehr, General Pickenbrock, said that military intelligence in the USSR did not fulfill its tasks. But this did not happen due to not professionalism of the employees, but due to good counterintelligence, vigilance of the military and civilians. And there were many similar testimonies - German intelligence suffered failures without revealing our secrets. On the eve of the war, the Germans did not know how many divisions opposed them, nor how many tanks can be made for war. And the tragedy of June 22 is caused, first of all, by the misses of the military and violation of the banal disguise.

Myth.

L. Beria planned to surrender the Caucasus to Hitler

Fact.

This myth was invented by the generals; they could not recognize that the Caucasus was preserved, precisely because of Beria. True, there are few scientific materials about his participation in those events, one has to be content with the memoirs of partisan contemporaries. For example, A.A. Grechko wrote that the arrival of Beria in his army caused harm, he introduced nervousness and disorganization. In fact, the 46 Army was not able to protect the passes, and a member of the State Defense Committee, Beria, was sent there at the crucial moment. The defense of the Caucasus was carried out poorly from a strategic point of view. Beria immediately put reliable officers in key positions, removing Budenny and Kaganovich from command. On the initiative of Beria, 175 passes were urgently studied, their security and defense was organized. The construction of fortifications has begun on the Georgian Military and Ossetian Military Roads, and the security of communications has been strengthened. Beria organized the air defense of the Baku oilfield. Yes, and the troops of the NKVD under the direct supervision of their Commissar perfectly manifested themselves in the most difficult days.

Myth.

the special divisions led by L. Beria prevented the commanders of the Red Army from fighting effectively with their denunciations

Fact.

This myth was beneficial to the Soviet military leaders, who blamed their failures on Beria and the NKVD. From the reports of the same Abakumov it is clear that the command made many mistakes, including tactical plan, losing personnel. Obviously, these comments went upstairs, helping to correct the shortcomings.

Myth.

Beria is guilty of the death of Sergo Ordzhonikidze and the persecution of his family

Fact.

The myth came into being thanks to Khrushchev. Judging by the known facts, Ordzhonikidze actively defended Beria and maintained friendly relations with him by correspondence. Beria even named his son after his senior comrade. And the activities of these two people did not overlap. When Ordzhonikidze’s brother was arrested and the second suffered, Sergo asked for help to Beria, which he did. But the reason for the suicide of Ordzhonikidze lies in his poor health and nervous, impressionable character. Yes, and he saw that his Commissariat was subjected to a check that showed poor results, which was the cause of stress. So Beria had nothing to do with Ordzhonikidze’s death. Even arriving in Tbilisi, he did not stay in the house of the brothers, but with his friend Lawrence.

Fact.

The behavior of L. Beria in everything, including in foreign affairs, contrasted sharply with the state of lethargy of the rest of his colleagues, but was Beria really to blame? And its state energy and leading qualities would be very useful to Russia not only within the country, but also on the foreign policy arena. Khrushchev behaved in the outside world sometimes cheekily. He knocked the shoe on the table at the UN; here it is really necessary to evaluate his behavior as idiotic and cheeky. At the same time, Khrushchev could behave almost lackeyly. There is a very expressive picture - 4 of June 1956 of the year in the Kremlin Khrushchev obsequiously shakes hands with the monumentally frozen Joseph Broz Tito. Shakes, almost bending over in an arc, smiling like sex, which is about to be given generous tips. Is it possible to imagine Beria behaving in a similar way? In relations with external partners, he behaved extremely correctly and politely, but with an undeniable feeling of both his own and state dignity.

Fact.

L. Beria did not look at our foreign economic relations as a way to “feed” the countries of people's democracy and thus turn them into freeloaders of the Soviet Union. Under Khrushchev and further Brezhnev, this vicious practice was strengthened and strengthened, not strengthening the USSR, but weakening it. When Beria everything would be different. To verify this, let us turn to Mikoyan’s speech at the anti-Brian Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU in July 1953. Then Mikoyan was outraged by the fact that Beria did not want to agree to halve (!) Czechoslovakia’s contractual obligations to supply diesel engines for the oil industry in the USSR. I quote Mikoyan: “We had a multi-year supply agreement. True, deliveries may have been somewhat better, but that’s not the point. And Beria got into a rage after learning about a long-term agreement. On what basis was this decomposition, such indulgence to the Czechs and so on". It should be said that the "fraternal" Czech state economy was not averse to starting to speculate on "fraternal" relations and treat Soviet orders lightly. It was to this that the Minister of Trade, Mikoyan, agreed; it was precisely this that the Khrushchevites began to do after Beria’s elimination. And this is precisely what Beria would not do! In the countries of the world socialist camp, they would have looked at the USSR not as a feeder, but as hard in business connections, but exceptionally advantageous because of the enormity of the domestic market, partner.

Fact.

The place of the people's commissariats of internal affairs and state security in the system of state and military government of the USSR was also determined by the fact that all this work was carried out under the direct control of J. V. Stalin and L. P. Beria. The sense of purpose inherent in their style of activity, the domination of political expediency over ideological and legal considerations, the rigorous exactingness and control of execution, the timely adoption of necessary organizational and legal decisions (only the regulation of the NKVD’s activities was devoted to 110 GKO resolutions) the war years were achieved. Attempts by the special services of the enemy to destabilize the situation in the country, using the internal political and economic problems of the USSR, as well as the difficulties caused by the complex ethnocultural and confessional composition of the population, the presence of huge poorly developed territories, did not produce a significant result. Achieving individual successes, ultimately, they lost the confrontation with similar services of the USSR: the Soviet political regime survived, the state did not disintegrate even in the most difficult days for it, when the enemy owned a strategic initiative and the victorious outcome of the war for the Soviet Union was not yet obvious (Encyclopedia "Great Patriotic War 1941-1945's").

Fact.

"At the beginning of 1944, after L.P. Beria was appointed executive director of the Soviet atomic project, the first meeting of the leaders of the military intelligence and intelligence department of the NKVD was held under his leadership to analyze the possibilities for obtaining documentary materials and samples US atomic weapons. In order to increase the effectiveness of the Soviet intelligence services in obtaining information about US and British nuclear projects on the orders of L. P. Beria, a section “C” was created in the NKVD, and Colonel P. A. Sudoplatov was appointed as its head. One of the main tasks of this department was to coordinate the work of the Intelligence Agency and the NKVD to collect information on the uranium problem and implement the data obtained within the country "(Encyclopedia" 1941-1945 Great Patriotic War ").



Fact.

From the memoirs of the atomic project worker V.N. Mokhov: “There was an extraordinary freedom of discussion and exchange of opinions in our team. Apparently, L. P. Beria, the supervisor of nuclear weapons, considered this acceptable and necessary to create a creative atmosphere. We could spend hours discussing not only scientific and technical problems, but also philosophical issues related to nuclear weapons, including purely political aspects. "

As you can see, a large Soviet gunsmith physicist directly indicates the personality of L. Beria as the source of the creative atmosphere in the Soviet scientific community! It turns out that it was from Beria that there was a businesslike, but mutually benevolent, atmosphere in relations between efficient workers, people working honestly doing this common, one for all, business.

Fact.

In the course of the war, the domestic military-industrial complex not only eliminated the temporary superiority of the Third Reich in the production of weapons and military equipment, but was also able to surpass the enemy in terms of both quantity and quality of weapons. During the war, more than 108 thousand combat aircraft (compared to Germany more than 1,4 times), 104,4 thousand tanks and SAU (1,8 times), about 445,7 thousand field guns of 76 mm and more (in 2,2 times) and mortars (in 5,1 times). By decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR from 30, September 1943 of L.P. Beria was awarded the title Hero of Socialist Labor "for special merits in strengthening the production of weapons and ammunition in difficult wartime conditions."
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  1. +117
    9 August 2016 21: 29
    Excellent article.
    It's time to remove the garbage from the names of the best people in the country.
    1. +81
      9 August 2016 21: 44
      Quote: The Bloodthirster
      Excellent article.
      It's time to remove the garbage from the names of the best people in the country.

      The wind of history is already rising ... All the myths about Beria as a "bloody tyrant" were created and replicated by the Zionist Trotskyists, the true enemies of Russia and the Russian peoples. One question: If Beria is what the variegated "liberals" imagine him to be, why the epithets "bloody"? Give the documents, and they are again "bloody", they just add "tyrant".) Because the documents speak of those who themselves have their snouts in fluff ...
      1. +68
        9 August 2016 21: 48
        Oh yeah!!!
        These myth-makers can’t think of anything .. here for example there is such Eddy Radzinsky, when he howls in theatrical ecstasy about something at that time, I want to ask him, Eddy, and when you and your family sat out on the Tashkent front and went around, in in the full sense of the word, he stole, rations from Akhmatova, then who you considered yourself to be then and who you are now.
        1. +27
          10 August 2016 12: 10
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          Oh yeah!!!
          These myth-makers can’t think of anything .. here for example there is such Eddy Radzinsky, when he howls in theatrical ecstasy about something at that time, I want to ask him, Eddy, and when you and your family sat out on the Tashkent front and went around, in in the full sense of the word, he stole, rations from Akhmatova, then who you considered yourself to be then and who you are now.

          this Eddy Stalin and Beria poured so ... nom in his little books, moreover, as beautifully as if holding a candle. Who is this Eddy? - inventor, defiler, liar. AND murderer in addition. An amateur, plya, drive on the opposite lane, and then suddenly go to the hospital with a "heart attack". You can't return the girl, but he There was nothing!
          1. +4
            10 August 2016 18: 02
            And such shit throwers, it turned out: a lot!
            1. +3
              10 August 2016 22: 01
              The decree depriving Beria of parliamentary immunity of June 26 contains a reference to a case that was not yet open! Obviously, they did it retroactively.

              Some more facts about Beria. Exposing a lie.

          2. +4
            10 August 2016 20: 49
            Quote: Mikado
            this Edya Stalin and Beria so ... he poured it in his little books, and even so beautifully, as if he was holding a candle. Who is this Edya? - an inventor, defiler, liar. And a killer in addition. An amateur, plya, drive on the opposite lane, and then suddenly go to the hospital with a "heart attack". You cannot return the girl, but he had nothing!

            God's chosen m, va \ p, it is possible for him. For now.
      2. +22
        9 August 2016 21: 50
        Intelligence: Boris Yulin about Lawrence Beria
        1. -1
          10 August 2016 15: 19
          Interesting, but Puchkova can’t listen ...
          1. +1
            13 August 2016 09: 04
            Well, there basically Yulin says, but he is a correct and competent uncle.
      3. +13
        10 August 2016 06: 47
        Quote: ava09
        Give the documents, and they are again "bloody", they just add "tyrant".) Because the documents speak of those who themselves have their snouts in fluff ...

        ...
        - Present evidence.
        “We have them, but we cannot make them public, because they are secret.”
        ...
        Somehow very familiar.
      4. +12
        10 August 2016 15: 03
        Quote: ava09

        The wind of history is already rising ...

        It would be better to first give an assessment of what we were witnesses without archives, namely, the activities of the executor of Hitler's plans - Yeltsin. As long as there is a monument to this criminal with alcohol syndrome in Yekaterinburg and an openly anti-Soviet center of his name operates, until then there will be no truth.
        1. +1
          11 August 2016 19: 47
          Quote: larand
          As long as there is a monument to this criminal with alcohol syndrome in Yekaterinburg and an openly anti-Soviet center of his name operates, until then there will be no truth.

          So let it stand ... as a reminder to the whole world, "people be vigilant!"
          1. +2
            11 August 2016 22: 47
            Quote: Pavel Koltunov
            So let it stand ... as a reminder to the whole world, "people be vigilant!"


            Yes, the center is, maybe it’s worth it, but its regulars would be better off sitting ...
      5. 0
        10 August 2016 18: 03
        Khrushchev cleared the main documents.
        1. -2
          10 August 2016 20: 52
          Quote: sapvir
          Khrushchev cleared the main documents.

          Tupin, Ivanov, Patrushev, etc., also cleaned up a lot.
    2. +3
      9 August 2016 21: 59
      Quote: The Bloodthirster
      It's time to remove the garbage from the names of the best people in the country.

      Let's not rush from one extreme to another. At least half of the debunked myths are debunked by the same myths. The person is extremely ambiguous and, along with the positive aspects of his activity for the country, were also negative. In the article, IMHO, an attempt to make Beria almost a saint. request
      1. +32
        9 August 2016 22: 16
        It’s extreme, and you see it every day here, well, for example, Banshee’s article about 37 years old, where a certain Alexander, or Moldovan or Romanian, together with Dimovoldemar, bears a frank nonsense, sometimes covered with a fleur of authenticity, but he there is not a single link to documents, researchers, studies, all allegations and myths on the principle of OBS and DP.
        So, to demonize a statesman is possible only if those who gave the command to do this have their own snout in their blood. But in Khrushchev, it is really in their blood.
        1. 0
          9 August 2016 22: 20
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          but he doesn’t have a single link to documents, researchers, studies, all allegations and myths on the basis of OBS and DP.

          The article has a lot of links? I saw the debunking of myths only with unfounded allegations.
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          You see her every day here, well, for example, Banshee’s article

          Thank you, a light of reason, enlightened, because I don’t know how to critically evaluate the information where you used to be.
          1. +1
            9 August 2016 22: 27
            No in the article itself, more than enough in the comments.
            And at the expense of the light of truth, well, since you are happy then I am not bad.
            1. +1
              9 August 2016 22: 31
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              the comments are more than enough.

              Links to documents? belay Are we reading different comments?
              1. +10
                9 August 2016 22: 39
                Dear, should I teach you something? Open the link and study.
                You read carefully, carefully.
                Martirosyan, who is so unloved by you, everything is based on archival data, Isaev has the same thing, Pykhalova, Zemskova, so what do you make a surprised face?
                I do not understand the logic.
        2. +17
          9 August 2016 22: 44
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          where is a certain Alexander, or Moldovan or Romanian, together with Dimovoldemar, bears frankly say nonsense,

          They are the same forum users, like you. A lot of nonsense is carried here, and I am including (I love this thing from a hangover) laughing. Refute normally, as in that Banshee article, and all matters. And about Beria, that is, another myth that is not affected in the article, that he was a womanizer, and a rapist.
          1. +19
            9 August 2016 22: 54
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            And about Beria, that is, another myth that is not affected in the article, that he was a womanizer, and a rapist.

            I will answer you in the spirit of the article:
            Myth.
            Beria was very fond of beautiful women, incline them to cohabitation, regardless of marital status and social status.
            Fact.
            Aunt Manya, who saw Beria live, denies the fact that he molested her, the myth is debunked. Yes
            1. +12
              9 August 2016 23: 06
              Hochmach.
              But here is the fact that Beria’s harassment of women, a myth, is a fact, but the fact that the closest relative of Karlushi Svanidze, A. Enukidze is put on the wall is exactly this, it’s for sure a fact: didn’t the blind man blame him and blame Beria?
            2. avt
              +15
              10 August 2016 08: 36
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Myth.
              Beria was very fond of beautiful women, incline them to cohabitation, regardless of marital status and social status.

              I forgot to add - I pointed my finger at those I liked without leaving the car and they were immediately shoved into the second car and taken to rape. But for some reason, when the type was judged, there were no witnesses, since there were so many that ... the judges were horrified and how to document did not, they say that was all. Why am I? Well, he loved women, well, he probably inclined someone. Even more - he had such a "flying detachment" of actresses, who, in particular, were let down under the USA attaché (Fedorov), under Marshal Tito (Okunevskaya), well, it's a matter of everyday life, True, then he caulked them into the camp, but for what reason? Did they know a lot and dismissed the language? Again, the heads were spinning from the height at which they were placed, and they decided that they themselves somehow got there? Again, guesswork, but for some reason the bloody satrap did not erase them in the camps to dust. request All returned to their former lives.
              Quote: Vladimirets
              , the myth is debunked.

              Or isn’t it ??? bully
              1. MrK
                +2
                11 August 2016 20: 14
                Dear avt. You need to prove your words with documents.
                Well, Khrushchev launched a cartoon about the super-sexy Beria, and everyone listens with open mouth. What a fall of a giant ... People like it when the great fall into insignificance ... Show!
                Okunevskaya Tatyana Kirillovna could go down in history as the greatest mystifier of the XX century ... She was the only woman who openly stated that Beria had made her sleep with him.
                She was credited with novels with the powers that be. It was said that among the admirers of her talent there were such controversial figures as the Yugoslav marshal Josip Broz Tito, the people's commissar of internal affairs Lavrenty Beria and the Minister of State Security Viktor Abakumov.
                But the daughter of the legendary actress asked us in her memoirs not to take her mother’s words seriously - for the great Okunevskaya, the image was everything. Of course, in her youth she drove many men crazy - millions of Soviet people admired her beauty.
                But Beria, Tito and Abakumov, according to the recollections of her daughter Okunevskaya, were never among her boyfriends ....
            3. +16
              10 August 2016 10: 12
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              And about Beria, that is, another myth that is not affected in the article, that he was a womanizer, and a rapist.

              I will answer you in the spirit of the article:
              Myth.
              Beria was very fond of beautiful women, incline them to cohabitation, regardless of marital status and social status.
              Fact.
              Aunt Manya, who saw Beria live, denies the fact that he molested her, the myth is debunked. Yes

              ... Moreover, they are being bullied, Beria "incited them to cohabitation" - beautiful women - in his apartment!
              I had a rare opportunity to visit this apartment ... So there - "Svan's house"! - there are almost no internal doors; there is one - in the "master" bedroom (matrimonial), well - in two more toilets ... And the rest is curtains and curtains of different density, swaying from the movement of air and people ...
              ... Yes, in such an apartment and in SUCH an office you can only "cohabit"! ...
              --------------
              Maybe in safe houses? ...
              I don’t know, I don’t know ... At least - remembering myself in a significant administrative position: not only cohabitation, it wasn’t always okay to pee - I saved time ... For which I’m paying for all sorts of ailments now ... I asked others like them - similar picture! ...
              1. MrK
                +3
                11 August 2016 20: 22
                Thanks CONTROL. Totally agree with you.

                The idea of ​​representing Beria as a sexual maniac was first voiced at the Plenum of the Central Committee in July 1953. The secretary of the Central Committee, Shatalin, who, he claimed, was ransacking Beria’s office, found in the safe “a large number of items of a male depraved man”.
                Then came the guard of Beria - Sarkisov, who spoke about his many connections with women. Naturally, no one checked all this, but the gossip was started and went for a walk around the country. "Being a morally corrupt person, Beria cohabited with numerous women ... ”- the investigators wrote down in the“ sentence ”.
                There is also a list of these mistresses (700 women). That's just bad luck: he completely, up to one last name, matches the list of women with whom he was accused of being arrested the head of the Stalin’s security guard who was arrested the year before ... General Vlasik. Wow, how unlucky Lavrenty Pavlovich. TSuch opportunities were, and the women got exclusively from Vlasik!
                And if without laughter, then it's as simple as that: they took from Vlasik’s case a list of his AGENTURES and added to the “Beria’s case”. Who will check?

                The wife of Lavrenty Pavlovich, Nina Beria, a Georgian, many years later, in one of her interviews, said a very simple phrase: “Amazing affair: Lawrence was busy day and night when he was dealing with a legion of these women’s 700»!

                Ride the streets, take them to suburban villas, or even to your own home, where there was a Georgian wife and a son and his family lived. However, when it comes to denigrating a dangerous enemy, who cares what really happened?
                Sincerely.
          2. +12
            9 August 2016 23: 05
            Yes, I don’t mind, let them continue to carry the blizzard, is it easier for you from lying to your grandfathers?
            When they justify rabble, it disgusts me, and you?
            When they use deliberately false and black myths, I disgust you, I don’t know.
            As a matter of fact, only the blind man does not see that the mass of articles in which comments somehow diminishes the role of the Union in World War II, Russia now in the matter of resting all bearded and ukrovermaht, links of one chain working against us, do you not understand this?
            1. -1
              9 August 2016 23: 15
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              it’s easier for you from lying to your grandfathers? I’m disgusted. You don’t know.

              It’s not for you to judge my ancestors, they lay down some on Narofominsky, some near Kursk, some in Belarus. But for me, they are not identical with Beria.
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              only the blind man does not see that the mass of articles, comments in which this or that way underestimates the role of the Union in World War II, Russia now in the matter of resting all bearded and ukrovermaht, links of one chain working against us, do you not understand this?

              You write nonsense, where in criticizing Beria, belittling the role of my country in the Second World War?
              1. +7
                9 August 2016 23: 18
                Do I judge your worthy ancestors? But I cannot and will not agree with your assessment of Beria, on the basis of some black myths.
                You write nonsense, in response to my reasonable words.
                Do you want an example, yes, here is an article on Comte, one excessively smart-https: //cont.ws/post/340939#com3675091
                This confirms my point.
                1. 0
                  9 August 2016 23: 21
                  Quote: The Bloodthirster
                  But I cannot and will not agree with your assessment of Beria, on the basis of some black myths.

                  What grade? That he is not a saint?
                  1. +13
                    9 August 2016 23: 40
                    Did I write somewhere that Beria is a saint ???
                    I only write that Beria is the most efficient manager, unlike the mediocre present effective defective nouveau riche, such as, for example, Polonsky, Geyser, Horoshchavin, Serdyukov and others, do not you agree?
                    If you don’t agree, then why?
                  2. +1
                    10 August 2016 12: 51
                    Quote: Vladimirets
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    But I cannot and will not agree with your assessment of Beria, on the basis of some black myths.

                    What grade? That he is not a saint?

                    No need to hide behind the Zh.IDovskoy psychology! "Not a saint" is far from "Bloody tyrant". And you, after all, are SUSPENDING.
                2. +4
                  9 August 2016 23: 41
                  Quote: The Bloodthirster
                  , yeah, the little article on Comte, one not too smart

                  And this article is also with Conte ... Only smarter, so it turns out?
                  1. +3
                    10 August 2016 08: 48
                    In the given example, a vegetable is shown which, on the basis of the inscriptions on the boxes with B \ n, made a withdrawal, here it is, here it is the fact of the delivery of Russian weapons and firearms to the barmales, but in fact?
                    But in fact, the countries of Eastern Europe, including Ruin, supply the Basmachi with the amount of either 1,5 or 3 billion toad skins, what does Russia have to do with it?
            2. +5
              9 August 2016 23: 28
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              Yes, I don’t mind, let them continue to carry the blizzard, is it easier for you from lying to your grandfathers?
              When they justify rabble, it disgusts me, and you?

              I am also disgusted, I argued with Alexander as much as you did.
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              , links of one chain working against us, do not you understand this?

              The worst thing is that the authorities support all this.
              1. +3
                9 August 2016 23: 30
                Well, you see, you and I understood each other ... what prevents Vladimirtsy from understanding the obvious, I don’t understand.
                1. +7
                  9 August 2016 23: 57
                  Quote: The Bloodthirster
                  . What prevents the obvious to understand Vladimirtsa, to me, is not clear.

                  Here, adults, and everyone has their own opinion. Well, I’m also not considering it to be harmful, although I recently got slammed for my jokes under a hundred minuses in an article about Iron Felix. laughing
          3. -2
            10 August 2016 00: 43
            Maybe you should not vote at all in the comments! I clicked on the comments of MORDWIN-3 minus, and got a plus and in addition also an increase in the figure, which is very typical for interesting and sharp articles. And there are up to a dozen such incidents per article
            1. +2
              10 August 2016 21: 44
              Quote: Ragoz
              Maybe you should not vote at all in the comments! I clicked on the comments of MORDWIN-3 minus, and got a plus and in addition also an increase in the figure, which is very typical for interesting and sharp articles. And there are up to a dozen such incidents per article

              Catch a plus in response, namesake.
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      2. +9
        9 August 2016 22: 35
        Quote: Vladimirets
        In the article, IMHO, an attempt to make Beria almost a saint.

        the fact that he is holier than Putin is for sure.
        Cinema is for you.
        1. +8
          10 August 2016 12: 00
          Thank you PHANTOM-AS. Honestly, I knew a lot before ... Colchis ... Not so long ago, there was a big discussion about the atomic race here at VO. In principle, a monument to Beria should be erected in front of the checkpoints of each nuclear power plant, and the MIPT and MEPhI too, so as not to forget. But he did not know that it was Beria who was engaged in the evacuation and construction - restoration of the evacuated factories in a new place. It is clear that with the insignificant "achievements" of the existing tandem and their lackeys, no one will talk about the restoration of such great figures as Stalin and Beria. It means publicly humiliating yourself. Therefore, the mausoleum is draped and mausoleums are being built in Yobnoburg. Of course, against the background of an alcoholic wrestling, they look majestic, but in general the mold of the troubled times of this historical period of Russia.
          1. 0
            6 October 2016 11: 16
            probably they forgot that it was BERIA that stopped the rampant nationalists in Georgia who behaved so you might think that they are relatives of Hitler
      3. +4
        10 August 2016 06: 36
        Quote: Vladimirets
        along with the positive aspects of his activities for the country, there were also negative

        Facts in the studio, if it does not bother you!
      4. -16
        10 August 2016 08: 03
        Let's not rush from one extreme to another. At least half of the debunked myths are debunked by the same myths. The person is extremely ambiguous and, along with the positive aspects of his activity for the country, were also negative. In the article, IMHO, an attempt to make Beria almost a saint.
        I absolutely agree with you! The man was talented, gifted, but also combined negative qualities that resulted in crimes (please do not confuse them with actions). And the article reminds me of a book by two writers who tried to whitewash him), his son also sought "justice" for a long time, but at least you can understand his son. Beria is a criminal, and his actions are not subject to rehabilitation. And the proof of the thing is, if after the rapes, for example, there were no official statements against him - then what is he a good citizen? or if his verbal instruction was harmful and illegal for another person and was not reflected in the document - he has nothing to do with it either ?! How I am touched by the new contemporaries jurists-lawyers who do not want to understand that then the time was different and in the archives that he himself once controlled there would be no cleanliness and remorse. He gathered himself for the "tower" deservedly. Another question is who judged him ... Just like him.
        1. -9
          10 August 2016 09: 14
          Before the execution, the defendant confessed to "moral decay": the investigator had data on 221 Beria's mistresses (according to other sources - 760). However, according to his wife, “All these women were intelligence workers, agents and informants. Only Beria maintained contact with them. And when these women were asked about their connections with their boss, they said that they were his mistresses, because they could not call themselves "informers" and intelligence agents. " The version of Beria's wife is contradicted by other sources, in particular, the testimony of Sarkisov (Beria's bodyguard), the memoirs of N.S. Khrushchev, A. Adzhubei, film actresses T. Okunevskaya, Z. Fedorova and others. As the historian writes: “Moscow for Beria was like a chicken coop, in which he walked like a rooster, trampling chickens at his own discretion” (Karpov V. The executed marshals. M., 3. S. 1999).
          1. -7
            10 August 2016 09: 19
            Lawyer Andrei Sukhomlinov, understood that the main charge would be not mythical anti-Soviet activity, but specific official crimes, and therefore they tried to prove as many facts as possible characterizing them.
            An important fact in the case of Beria was the existence of the toxicological laboratory of Professor Mairanovsky, where poisons were tested in humans (Mairanovsky himself was arrested in 1951 in the case of the JAC).
            Investigators paid a lot of attention to the period of Beria’s activity in leading posts in Georgia and the Caucasus. The Beria was blamed for the repressions carried out there in 1937, one of the organizers of which was Beria.
            Beria and his entourage were also charged with the murder of the USSR plenipotentiary representative in China, I.T. Bovkun-Luganets and his wife in 1939, the shooting without trial and investigation in 1940 of the wife of Marshal G.I. Kulik - Simonich-Kulik K.I., shooting Of the 25 people prisoners in 1941 in Kuibyshev, Saratov and Tambov.

            The consideration of the criminal case of Beria and others was held on May 29, 2000 in the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation in an open court session. The actions of Beria's "accomplices" - Dekanozov, Meshik and Wlodzimirsky were re-qualified and regarded as "abuse of power in the presence of especially aggravating circumstances", and the sentence was changed to 25 years in prison for each. The verdict against Beria, Merkulov, Goglidze and Kobulov was left unchanged, and they were not recognized as victims of political repression, so all of them are still formally considered spies and traitors to their homeland.
            1. +11
              10 August 2016 10: 46
              The idea of ​​introducing Beria as a sex maniac was first voiced at the Central Committee Plenum in July 1953. The secretary of the Central Committee Shatalin, who, he claimed, searched the office room of Beria, found in the safe “a large number of items of a male libertine”. Then the guard Beria Sarkisov spoke, telling about his many connections with women. Naturally, no one checked all this, but gossip was started up and went for a walk around the country. “Being a morally decayed man, Beria lived together with numerous women ...” - the investigators recorded in a “sentence”.

              There is a list of these women. That's just bad luck: it almost completely coincides with the list of women cohabiting with whom General Vlasik, the arrest officer of Stalin, who was arrested a year before, was accused. Wow, how unlucky Lawrence Pavlovich. There were such opportunities, and women got exclusively from under Vlasik! And if without laughter, then it’s easy: take the list from the Vlasik case and add to the “Beria case”. Who will check? Many years later, in one of her interviews, Nina Beria said a very simple phrase: “Surprising business: Lawrence was busy working day and night when he was dealing with the legion of these women!” Ride along the streets, carry them to country villas, and then also to his home, where there was a Georgian wife and his son lived with his family. However, when it comes to denigrating a dangerous enemy, who cares what was really the case?
              https://topwar.ru/19243-pravda-pro-lberiyu-lomaya-dogmy-i-stereotipy.html
              Prudinkova as it is more faith than all fuss ... alexander and vicious whore from the Yakovlevskaya gang.
              1. -3
                10 August 2016 16: 55
                There is a list of these women in the case. That's just bad luck: it almost completely coincides with the list of women with whom co-head of Stalin General Vlasik, who was arrested the year before, was accused of cohabitation. Wow, how unlucky Lavrenty Pavlovich. There were such opportunities, and women got exclusively from Vlasik!
                Vlasik in the 52nd gobbled up Beria and the charges he had under the articles were not related to women, before that Vlasik had succeeded in removing Beria and Co. from some posts - nothing surprising - the spiders were biting as they could and used everything that was possible in the spirit of the time. And rumors are not born from scratch - after all, nobody even thought of accusing Stalin of pedophilia, and only the lazy of his contemporaries did not mention Beria and his exclusively mutually-voluntary relations with women. I’m not saying that he was chasing them with PPSh in Moscow at night, but in his position this didn’t have to be done at that time ...
                1. +3
                  10 August 2016 17: 50
                  Vlasik, in his memoirs, points to the testimony of many eyewitnesses that Tukhachevsky was convinced of the imminence of the fall of the Soviet system and dreamed of how the "new" Russia, in alliance with Germany and Japan, would begin the struggle for world domination. In early 1936, Tukhachevsky, as a Soviet military representative, traveled to London to attend the funeral of King George V. According to eyewitnesses, on the way, Tukhachevsky stopped briefly in Warsaw and Berlin, where he talked with Polish colonels and German generals. In conversations, he allegedly did not hide his admiration for the German military.

                  As the French journalist Genevieve Taboui, who was among the guests at the official dinner at the Soviet embassy in Paris after the Marshal's return from London, said, Tukhachevsky openly attacked the Soviet government and "was scattered in fiery praise to the Nazis."

                  As Vlasik recalls, in 1938, at the Yagoda trial, the Trotskyists Krestinsky and Rosengolts in their testimonies spoke in detail about the role of Tukhachevsky in the conspiracy of the military. As Yagoda admitted then, they did not ally with the military, because they knew about Tukhachevsky’s Bonapartist inclinations and that didn’t suit them.

                  In his memoirs, Vlasik writes about his confidence that the course of the war "would have been different if the enemy inside the country had not been destroyed." “Stalin was irreconcilable to enemies, sometimes, maybe, and cruel, but he never did anything for personal reasons. He was guided by one feeling - love for the Motherland, the desire for its well-being and prosperity,” the general noted in his memoirs.

                  More details: http://www.newsru.com/russia/11mar2011/stalin_2.html
                  Now we ask a question, and not the fact that he knew about Tukhachevsky and many others, became a trigger?

                  Yes, and here it is very curious, Khrushchev's ears stick out from everywhere.

                  http://maxpark.com/community/129/content/3540471?_utl_t=ok
                  So there is no need here about the "malicious" Beria, covering and sheltering, taking out from under the blow of the accursed unbeaten Trotskyist-Khrushchev
                  And finally, the material of the historian, who deals with the issues of those times precisely.
                  http://coollib.com/b/277091/read
                  The ears of Khrushchev, like a reborn, stick out from everywhere, and deaf information about his Yakshan with the English ..
            2. +4
              10 August 2016 12: 58
              Quote: lukke
              The criminal case of Beria and others was examined on May 29, 2000 at the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation

              AND JUDGES WHO? The heirs of the Trotskyist - Khrushchev?
              1. -1
                10 August 2016 16: 18
                AND JUDGES WHO? The heirs of the Trotskyist - Khrushchev?
                May 29, 2000 ?! You generally carefully read before writing comments. After Khrushchev there were still Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and finally, in 2000, Putin.
                1. +2
                  11 August 2016 15: 38
                  I understand that your true heroes are these.

                  The "Yeltsin Center" is ready to rehabilitate the "Vlasovites": the staff of the institution announced their readiness to consider an application to perpetuate the memory of those who fought against the Soviet regime with weapons in their hands, the correspondent of Nakanune.RU reports.

                  Nikita Sokolov, deputy director for scientific work of the center, noted at a press conference that it is necessary "to go beyond the narrow understanding of the repressed." We need to expand it.
                  1. 0
                    11 August 2016 20: 14
                    I understand that your true heroes are these.

                    The "Yeltsin Center" is ready to rehabilitate "Vlasovites"
                    fucking conclusion
                    Following this logic - and you are not a necrophilic by chance?
                  2. MrK
                    +3
                    11 August 2016 20: 46
                    Dear The Bloodthirster.
                    Why explain something to a lukke colleague.
                    What did he say new. What was he trying to figure out?
                    All the same Khrushchev ravings. And repeating them.
                    The fact that no trial of Beria was proved by Elena Prudnikova, Yuri Mukhin, Alexander Kurlyandchik on Prza.Ru and a large number of other authors.
                    Here at Courlandchik:
                    "Around noon, Sergo called his friend, pilot Amet Khan, and said that Beria’s house was a shootout and his father, apparently, was no longer alive. Sergo, along with a member of the Special Committee Vannikov, rushed to the address and managed to see broken windows, knocked-out doors, a wall dotted with traces of bullets from a heavy machine gun".

                    But it’s much more interesting why Beria was killed.
                    Even Stalin began to consistently squeeze party idlers out of the country's national economy.
                    Beria tried to continue this work of Stalin. They didn’t forgive him this.
                    It is enough to re-read the speeches of the party members, from Molotov to Kaganovich, published many times.
                    This is not even human speech - but the roar of wounded dinosaurs, struck in the most vulnerable place. Whatever the talk of Beria’s many “sins”, the matter, in the end, comes down to one thing: he encroached on the role of the party, the bastard, the hiring of imperialism, the syphilitic, the executioner, the White Guard! He encroached on the role of the party! Encroached! Encroached! Encroached!
                    Maybe this is the main thing.
                    Best regards
            3. +3
              11 August 2016 19: 27
              "Consideration of the criminal case of Beria and others was carried out on May 29, 2000 in the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation in an open court session."

              Luke the Second.
              Who are the judges?
      5. +6
        10 August 2016 12: 58
        In my opinion, the merit of Beria in the atomic project (and not only in it, read the documents) is invaluable!
        Were it not for him, would you even exist now? The big question!
        There are no saints in politics in principle.
        But there are those who work for the country, and there are those who love themselves.
        Beria from the first category, like Stalin.
        As for the myths of both, let's translate the forum into the reader of the archives ...?
        Auto did not try to make a saint of Beria, this is the debunking of myths about a bloodthirsty tyrant.
        Everything that is written has a place to be, once again, read the documents.
        So far, it’s you who absolutely say that in the manner of non-democrats to conduct an categorical conversation, you are claiming some kind of superobjectivity.
        There is something to say, say ... with documents and facts!
      6. -10
        10 August 2016 13: 28
        NKVD barrage detachments trapped laggards and fled from the front

        Interestingly, the NKVD detachment detachments themselves took part in the battles, or the NKVD guards who went to the rear dashingly arrested and shot those whose fault at 41 was your beloved Stalin and Beria, or rather ignored the threat of attack, people left the encirclement without food, water and cartridges, beaten, wounded, shell-shocked, for which they are in the camp ??? why shrafbats cannon fodder ???
        Beria is a hero ?? Baaa .. yes you all went crazy ???
        Ukrainians pray to the bender bender, our old communists, according to Stalin and repression with shots, yearn for where our great country is heading, tell the Belarusians, who died every 4, how many more prisoners of war rot in the camps, because we still remember those who told us this , and we will tell our children and grandchildren .. and you scratch here, what are Stalin and Beria holy people
        1. MrK
          +2
          11 August 2016 21: 06
          Dear Hedgehog. Let me explain you.
          There were two types of detachments.
          The first type: foreign detachments of the NKVD troops for the protection of the front of the front. They caught fleeing from the front.
          From Courlandchik again:
          “Report on the actions of the Special Departments and barrage detachments of the NKVD troops of the USSR for the protection of the rear during the period from the beginning of the war on November 10 on 1941.
          PEOPLE'S COMMISSAR OF THE USSR INTERNAL AFFAIRS
          General Commissioner of State
          security to comrade L.P. BERIA
          REFERENCE
          Since the beginning of the war on November 10 this year Special departments of the NKVD and barrage detachments of the NKVD troops rear protection 657 364 servicemen detained who were behind their units and fled from the front. Of these, 249 969 people were detained by operational barriers of the Special Departments and 407 395 servicemen by the NKVD rear guard units.
          Of the detainees, 25 878 people were arrested by Special Departments, the remaining 632 486 people are formed in part and again directed to the front.
          According to the decisions of the Special Departments and the sentences of the Military Tribunals, 5 201 people were shot, of which 2321 people were shot before the formation ...
          The second one. Order No. 227 refers to army detachments, not repressive bodies, not NKVD troops. And the detachments are far from numerous - from 600 to 1000 people in the army. By 200 people per division. Notice. The length of the front of the division reached 50 km. According to 2 zryadryadryadtsa per kilometer of the front.
          Order 227 Not a step back: "...To form within the army 3-5 well-armed barrage detachments (200 people in each), place them in the immediate rear of unstable divisions and oblige them in case of panic and indiscriminate withdrawal of divisional units to shoot alarmists and cowards on the spot and thus help honest fighters of divisions to fulfill my duty to the Motherland "
          And in the most difficult moments of the war, they entered into battle with the Germans.
          But the most important thing is “None of the researchers were able to find in the archives a single fact that would confirm that the barrage detachments fired on their troops. Such cases are not given in the memoirs of the war veterans". [WWII. The appointment of barrage units. URL: http://www.otvoyna.ru/zagradotr.htm]
          Best regards
      7. +1
        10 August 2016 17: 53
        About holiness, we are not talking. A talented and hardworking organizer is just shown. That's all.
        1. +2
          11 August 2016 19: 00
          I think there were no saints at that time! It was a difficult difficult time! And only the strongest people came out who could make even ambiguous decisions! We remember them! And those who went with the flow and wanted to stay clean where are they? Who are they? The people already and will not remember. A very necessary article, the country must remember its heroes trampled into the mud! Beautiful expression "Wind of history" The great man said. When I was a teenager and reading about Stalin I thought how his land could carry so many people he ruined! Once in a dispute I spoke badly about him with my grandmother, I remembered the reaction for a long time!
      8. +5
        10 August 2016 20: 57
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Let's not rush from one extreme to another. At least half of the debunked myths are debunked by the same myths. The person is extremely ambiguous and, along with the positive aspects of his activity for the country, were also negative. In the article, IMHO, an attempt to make Beria almost a saint.

        If you put together all the current rulers, so to speak, then they will not even cost the tips of the little fingers of either Stalin or Beria. Those people left us the STATE. What did these traders do?
        Judged by cases, not by liberal Jewish TV and the press.
    3. UVB
      +1
      9 August 2016 22: 27
      A wonderful article on this topic was at VO in 2012. Who did not read, I highly recommend: https://topwar.ru/19243-pravda-pro-lberiyu-lomaya-dogmy-i-stereotipy.html
    4. +18
      9 August 2016 22: 58
      Several times I was in the company of nuclear specialists - the first toast is always for Beria! Here is such an interesting fact.
      1. +3
        9 August 2016 23: 18
        WHERE WHERE?
        In C ,,,,,,,, ve Do not drink for it.
        Or do I not know?
        I will specially ask those who know.
      2. +15
        10 August 2016 03: 13
        Myth: the valiant Marshal Zhukov and General Moskalenko heroically arrested the fanatic pervert Beria, who intended to lime the leadership of the Communist Party and the Soviet State. The court paid Beria and his minions their merits.

        Fact: two bugs, Zhukov with Khrushchev, made a military coup. Beria was killed during the coup, the subsequent trial - staging, the documents of the criminal case - juggling.
      3. +4
        10 August 2016 05: 51
        Quote: Valery Valery
        Several times I was in the company of nuclear specialists - the first toast is always for Beria! Here is such an interesting fact.

        On February 26, 1950, a decree of the USSR Council of Ministers was signed, signed by I.V. Stalin, on the construction of Plant No. 815 (the future Mining and Chemical Combine), a weapons-grade plutonium production complex. Under it, the secret complex and the closed city were built by units of the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Gulag prisoners.https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Железногорск_(Красноярский_край) Химкомбинат располагался на глубине 200 - 300 метров в скале, способен выдержать ядерный удар. Курировал стройку Берия.
      4. +1
        10 August 2016 10: 25
        Quote: Valery Valery
        Several times I was in the company of nuclear specialists - the first toast is always for Beria! Here is such an interesting fact.

        Complete nonsense - my friends, namely nuclear physicists, from the city of Sarov (the name itself is known to those who understand) NEVER raised a toast to Beria.
    5. +3
      10 August 2016 05: 37
      "..and the villain is taken away from the neighbor, because he looks like Beria .." V. Vysotsky. That says it all. Yagoda, Yezhov, Abakumov, what did they do for the country? And now? All this bunch of managers and office plankton and little finger are Lavrenty Pavlovich ..
      Quote: The Bloodthirster
      Excellent article.
      It's time to remove the garbage from the names of the best people in the country.
    6. +1
      10 August 2016 06: 46
      Quote: The Bloodthirster
      The Bloodthirster Yesterday, 21:29 PM New
      Excellent article.
      It's time to remove the garbage from the names of the best people in the country.

      It is symbolic! smile
    7. -7
      10 August 2016 06: 54
      Quote: The Bloodthirster
      The Bloodthirster Yesterday, 21:29 PM New
      Excellent article.
      It's time to remove the garbage from the names of the best people in the country.

      It is symbolic!
      "Bloodsucker" - Beria's defendersmile
      1. +5
        10 August 2016 08: 51
        If you want to laugh at anyone, then I’ll probably answer the same, you don’t have a match. The enemy is beaten with a bayonet, and the goldsmiths are working with a shovel, didn’t confuse what's what? wassat
        1. -6
          10 August 2016 10: 22
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          , do not mix up what's what?

          Not at all, is it not visible? And your works will not be counted ... no one to evaluatewassat
    8. +8
      10 August 2016 07: 13
      He was a "firefighter" or, as it is now accepted, an "effective manager" in the literal sense of the word, who was sent to the most responsible areas. Even now, thanks to him and his son in rocketry, we are ahead of the rest of the planet.
    9. +5
      10 August 2016 11: 18
      Quote: The Bloodthirster
      It's time to clean the trash

      Instead of the Yeltsin Center, open the Center for the Honorary Citizen of the USSR L.P. Beria.
      1. +2
        10 August 2016 14: 41
        One thing is not clear to me: how did the almighty Minister of State Security Beria allow himself to be arrested by some Khrushchev’s punks?
    10. +6
      10 August 2016 21: 21
      !!! Piss liberals strong people !!!
    11. +3
      11 August 2016 18: 07
      Lavrenty Pavlovich is only to blame for the fact that he failed to recognize the conspiracy around himself. But this fact just suggests that L.P. Beria was not engaged in intrigue, but was engaged in solving urgent economic and internal political (through the Ministry of Internal Affairs) issues. As a result, he slept through the criminal acts of his conspiratorial friends. Unfortunately, he overly trusted and even trusted his "comrades".
    12. +1
      11 August 2016 20: 48
      I would like to wait for the time when monuments to Stalin will be erected in all settlements, and monuments to the mover of the atomic project and nuclear physics and other related industries, the potential of which Russia, Beria Lavrenty Pavlovich is still strong, will be erected in many science cities !!!
    13. -1
      12 August 2016 08: 51
      Excellent article.
      It's time to remove the garbage from the names of the best people in the country.

      It turns out Beria - the best name of the country? .. That is, in Russia it was not better! .. Yes, indeed, Ukrainians are our brothers .... Which of the ghouls will be the next?
  2. -8
    9 August 2016 21: 38
    Myth.
    Fact.
    IS NOT A FACT.
    No one will ever, at least in our lives, tell this.
    I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. +2
      9 August 2016 22: 47
      Quote: hirurg
      No one will ever, at least in our lives, tell this.
      I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!

      It seems to me that this article only exchanges some myths for others. The author complains about the typewritten texts of the Beria case, but, in contrast to them, he does not even cite references to the original documents, which could suggest otherwise. It is clear that not everything in the personality of Lavrenty Pavlovich is unambiguous. The ambiguous story of my family, in which my grandfather fought, fought near Kiev, Kharkov, Tula while his brother was in the Gulag from 1937 to 1957, after which he was released and rehabilitated completely. Do not make angels out of people. Especially from those in power.
  3. +10
    9 August 2016 21: 39
    Seized pages from TSB with an article on Beria:





    1. jjj
      +4
      9 August 2016 23: 37
      For not fulfilling this request, a time limit
      1. 0
        12 August 2016 21: 51
        Well, where then the notorious Khrushchev's "thaw" ??? Huh? Yes, I read for a long time that they sent a page with the article "Bering Strait", offering to paste it in place of the remote ...
    2. 0
      10 August 2016 19: 46
      "there is no truth in the world ... but there is no truth above. For me it is as clear as a simple scale" and may AS forgive me. I mean this: one has one truth, the other has his own and nobody knows the truth IMHO
  4. +4
    9 August 2016 21: 43
    The article is ambiguous. The coordination of the atomic project can undoubtedly be credited to this person as an advantage of his biography, but the fact that the number of people convicted under "political" articles has increased by 2,5 times is impossible.
    1. +8
      9 August 2016 21: 46
      Do not repeat the myths of liberal balalaika.
    2. +6
      9 August 2016 21: 48
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      but the fact that the number of people convicted under "political" articles has increased by 2,5 times is impossible with positive nazvatb.

      What did you mean ?
      1. +4
        9 August 2016 22: 21
        That the statistical data on the number of those convicted for the so-called "counter-revolutionary crimes" by 1938 amounted to 185 thousand people, but by 1939 already 454 thousand. And Beria was appointed People's Commissar of Internal Affairs on November 25, 1938. These are the facts.
        1. +12
          9 August 2016 22: 24
          22 August 1938, he was appointed first deputy people's commissar of internal affairs of the USSR, and on September 8 he was appointed head of the I NKVD administration. September 11 Beria was conferred the rank of state security commissioner of the first rank; on September 29 he took the position of head of the Main State Security Directorate of the NKVD of the USSR. 25 November 1938, Beria was appointed Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR. 10 April 1939, Ezhov was arrested on charges of espionage, terrorism and conspiracy.
          people with higher education became 35% (under Yezhov — only 10%) of the total composition of the NKVD, and the proportion of people without secondary education fell from 42% to 18%. Another replenishment of the NKVD came from the army. On January 27, 1939, the deputy commissar of defense, the army commissar of the second rank, Shchadenko issued order No. 010 on the early release and secondment to the NKVD of the USSR of a number of students of graduation and junior courses of military academies of the Red Army. By the way, looking ahead, we say that the first whose affairs began to be reviewed under Beria were officers of the Red Army: in 1937-1938, about 30 people were fired from the army for political reasons (about 000 were convicted). 10 officers were returned to service after a change in the leadership of the NKVD.
          http://rusplt.ru/society/Beria.html
        2. +4
          11 August 2016 18: 17
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          That the statistical data on the number of those convicted for the so-called "counter-revolutionary crimes" by 1938 amounted to 185 thousand people, but by 1939 already 454 thousand. And Beria was appointed People's Commissar of Internal Affairs on November 25, 1938. These are the facts.

          Sorry, but you yourself write that these figures relate convicted !! And who judges us? Judges the court !! Or a tribunal! You personally guarantee that all these people (454 thousand - 185 thousand = 259 thousands) were arrested after L.P.Beria took the post of People's Commissar of the NKVD? Or all the same, they were arrested long before this moment, or maybe even back in 1937 - but they were sitting in cells waiting for a trial of themselves?
          No need to manipulate numbers. Ugly. And meanly.
    3. BYV
      +25
      9 August 2016 22: 17
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      and here is the fact that the number of convicts under "political" articles has increased by 2,5 times

      ???? Maybe you’ll at least get familiar with the banal statistics so as not to look complete ...?
      L.P. Beria was appointed People's Commissar of the USSR VD at the end of the 38 year.
      Under "political" articles it was convicted:
      +1937 - 790 665
      +1938 - 554 258
      +1939 - 63 889
      +1940 - 71 806
      Indeed, the bloody executioner of Stalin !!!
      1. +5
        9 August 2016 22: 47
        I apologize for my perseverance, but I used statistics, namely the data of the Central State Archive of the October Revolution, the highest organs of state power and state administration of the USSR (TsGAOOR USSR). These figures are given in the article located at this address: http://scepsis.net/library/id_937.html
        This article has Table 1, where I got the numbers from. But you did not indicate the source of the data you provided. Can you indicate where you got these numbers from?
        1. +6
          9 August 2016 22: 49
          On 1 January 1939, the total prison population was 1 672 000 people. If we take Zemskov's data as average for the whole GULAG, then, according to Beria's “amnesty,” about 140 of thousands of people left. Approximately such figures (from 130 000 to 150 000) are called by other researchers, although most of them clarify that a significant part did not receive the status of rehabilitated, and they either got rid of the deadlines to the minimum (one or two years) or were transferred to the status of exiles (that is, softened the punishment).

          Much more fortunate were those who, before November 1938, did not manage to get a sentence, but were in pre-trial detention. Oleg Mozokhin, a historian of the special services, cites exact data on this category. So, on 1 in January 1939 was considered to be under investigation - 149 426 people, released on cases terminated during the investigation - 83 151 people, released by the prosecutor's office and acquitted by the 25 courts 575 people. All in all, 187 840 convicted in 1939 — the first half of 1941 — were 142 432 released during the investigation and trial. This is the exact figure of Beria's “amnesty” for those under investigation.

          Thus, the total number of those who fell under the first Beria “amnesty” and were released into custody by those under investigation and prisoners of the GULAG is 270 000 — 290 000 people.
          1. +1
            9 August 2016 23: 08
            Ё mine ... well, at least something the minuscator meowed, but no, there’s nothing to click in the cabbage shop?
        2. BYV
          +3
          9 August 2016 23: 07
          I propose to read this article:
          http://www.great-country.ru/rubrika_myths/reprisal/00033.html
          Of particular note is the 1 table.
          The list of used literature is given at the end.
          1. 0
            10 August 2016 21: 14
            Good article.
        3. +2
          9 August 2016 23: 28
          Stop raving, Teterin. ... teach history. ...
      2. -3
        9 August 2016 23: 08
        Where are the numbers from?
      3. -6
        10 August 2016 10: 20
        +1939 - 63 889
        +1940 - 71 806
        "... But you never know the Donov Pedro in Brazil ?! And do not count .."
        Until 1938, Beria was engaged exclusively in horticulture and did not hold official positions anywhere.
  5. +22
    9 August 2016 21: 49
    Lavrenty Beria was an outstanding statesman, tough, energetic. Of course, many did not like it. I believe that society is not yet ready to realize its role in the development of the USSR, in the victory over fascism. I myself personally still cannot get rid of the negativity at the mention of his name, "thanks" to the deeply ingrained consequences of demonization that began under Khrushchev.
  6. +30
    9 August 2016 21: 50
    In general, of course, life is a strange thing. So here you are tearing the veins, taking responsibility, making tough decisions (but it’s impossible in another way) for the sake of the survival of your country, crushing the nits and enemies of your people, and then they will shoot you and water you for half a century. Lord, may Thy will be done on everything!

  7. -55
    9 August 2016 21: 51
    You can’t wash off a black dog.
    Listen to the author, so the holy man was Lawrence. Another 10 years will pass and "irrefutable facts" will be revealed that Lavrenty Palych regularly attended church. Naturally, together with Joseph Vissarionovich.
    It seems that in Russia, in addition to a pair of chunks of bloodsuckers, there was no other light left in the window.
    1. +16
      9 August 2016 21: 59
      Quote: Heimdall47
      It seems that in Russia, in addition to a pair of chunks of bloodsuckers, there was no other light left in the window.

      And what remains of YOU, the enemies of the Communists, and that you have your own for as much as a quarter of a century?
      You slandered the Soviet period, the Russian Empire, as you yourself proved, you didn’t need, and the results of your highly paid work after 1991, what you turned the republics of the USSR into, you really don’t like to discuss, except for your "priorities", but now everything is there, but now we can afford a lot. "
      1. -28
        9 August 2016 22: 11
        Quote: tatra
        a quarter of a century later

        Where does it come from when all the roots from the USSR grow and all the powers that be from there? Abortion, alcoholism, village degradation, fear of responsibility - all these are the fruits of a wonderful Soviet system. So we won’t get anything of our own (Russian) for a long time.
        Quote: tatra
        You slandered the Soviet period, the Russian Empire, as you yourself proved, you didn’t need, and the results of your highly paid work after 1991, what you turned the republics of the USSR into, you really don’t like to discuss, except for your "priorities", but now everything is there, but now we can afford a lot. "

        This is some kind of nonsense. smile
        1. +8
          9 August 2016 22: 18
          Quote: Heimdall47
          Where does it come from when all the roots from the USSR grow and all the powers that be from there?

          HERE, you just confirmed my words, but I don’t need your rudeness.
          You, the enemies of the Communists, have nothing of their own.
          Neither history, nor beliefs, nor honestly earned money, nor responsibility for the country that you took from the Communists and their supporters, you are all cosmopolitan.
          1. -21
            9 August 2016 22: 26
            Quote: tatra
            HERE, you just confirmed my words, but I don’t need your rudeness

            What has confirmed - that our country has been ruled by your communist fosterlings for 25 years, soaked in the same ideology from the cradle? So this is no secret.
            Quote: tatra
            you are all cosmopolitan

            You confuse something - cosmopolitans did your beloved revolution. Bronstein, Dzhugashvili and Apfelbaum with financial assistance from Parvus and with the approval of the German gene. headquarters.
            From this root can there be anything good?
            1. +10
              9 August 2016 22: 37
              Quote: Heimdall47
              What confirmed

              EXACTLY what I wrote about YOU, the enemies of the communists. You slandered the Soviet period in order to justify your capture of the USSR, to your anti-Soviet / anti-communist coup of 1985-1991, thanks to which you got your free life, in which you crucify yourself for a quarter of a century "and now it is better than in the USSR", you everything "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame", your benefactors, Gorbachev and Yeltsin, you betrayed, threw them to us, supporters of real communists, like unnecessary rubbish, and for a quarter of a century blame the responsibility for the results of your highly paid work on Soviet communists their supporters.
              You DO NOT have anything of your own except waste.
              1. -13
                9 August 2016 22: 44
                Some kind of muddy stream of consciousness, not related to me. smile
                Quote: tatra
                your benefactors - Gorbachev and Yeltsin, you betrayed, threw them to us, the supporters of the true Communists, as unnecessary garbage,

                But didn’t you betray your benefactors — Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Bukharin, Yezhov, etc. etc. People made a revolution, smacked kontrik, cleared the way to a brighter future for all working people. And you, the Communists, have not only sent them to consumption, but to this day, they still shower their blessed memory with slops. This is not good. smile Why are you asking others if they have a log in their eye?
                1. +3
                  9 August 2016 23: 01
                  Quote: Heimdall47
                  And you didn’t betray your benefactors - T

                  No "muddy stream of consciousness", just what you, the enemies of the communists, have proved about yourself with your vaunted freedom, which you so longed for under the USSR.

                  "Not referring to me", yes, one more of your qualities, you, the enemies of the communists, are not only cosmopolitans, but also egoists, everyone is only for himself. None of you who "are better now than in the USSR" are not capable, as we, supporters of the USSR, do to defend their power, social order, and each other.
                  You somehow behave strangely, you constantly prove to me that I already wrote to you about you, the enemies of the Communists.
                2. +10
                  9 August 2016 23: 09
                  Assessment of Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev.yu Bukharin, Pyatakov, Radek and others gave the Moscow process-put to the wall, as those who were preparing the coup.
                  In 37 they managed to shorten treason on their heads, in 91 they blinked.
                  Well, nothing, lessons learned.
                  1. -18
                    9 August 2016 23: 23
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    Assessment of Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev.yu Bukharin, Pyatakov, Radek and others gave the Moscow process-put to the wall, as those who were preparing the coup.

                    But Beria gave another legal process. So there’s nothing to talk about - there are no myths, there’s nothing to debunk, because Soviet court is the fairest court in the world. If Yezhov, Yagoda, Abakumov are enemies, then you do not need to have seven spans in your forehead to guess that their colleague Beria is the same fruit.
                    1. +9
                      9 August 2016 23: 29
                      There was no official trial of Beria.
                      It’s not worth lying, as Svanidza and Gozman are lying.
                      http://loveread.ec/read_book.php?id=52192&p=133
                      enlighten.
                      In response, do not send Yakovlev’s dregs as an argument; they cost three kopecks at the outhouse in the market for a bunch.
                      At the expense of seven spans in the forehead .. that you can’t see this .. judging by the fact that you have a complete lack of understanding of the role and place of hedgehogs, berries in the balance of power at that time and the guilt of each of them for the reprisals from 31 to 37 .
                      1. +3
                        9 August 2016 23: 33
                        Minus one guy, well, blot something again, well, let people already laugh from the fountains of your stupidity ... well, you so ... click into the bushes.
                        From impotence or what?
                      2. -13
                        9 August 2016 23: 39
                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        There was no official trial of Beria.

                        Beria and his associates were tried in December 1953 by a special judicial presence. The trial was held without the participation of the prosecutor and lawyers, according to a special procedure developed as far back as 1934 in connection with the killing of Kirov
                        So what was the trial? It was.
                        Was the verdict? It was.
                        Rehabilitation denied? Yes.
                        If you do not like something about this or are in doubt, then this is purely your problem. Get rehabilitation.
                        you do not fully understand the role and place of hedgehogs, berries in the balance of power at that time and the fault of each of them for the repressions from 31 to 37 years.

                        My understanding is quite clear - the overwhelming majority of the Communists of that time in the highest echelons of power are a criminal kodla. And figuring out who screwed up a little more or less there does not make sense, since a normal person should shy away from these comrades a mile away.
                      3. +9
                        9 August 2016 23: 46
                        There was no trial over Beria, everything you wrote is a filkin letter sewn with white thread, he told you, I don’t need to poke Yakovlev’s and earlier Khrushchev’s crafts.
                        Rehabilitation has been denied, and you ask a question to Yakovlev, Khrushchev, why, first, to find out why Khrushchev was almost put to the wall in Stalingrad.
                        Why, and you ask the liberal ochlos, who feels how it will end for them to justify Beria.
                        And finally, the most impudent, black lie addressed to the members of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks at that time, especially during the war and the post-war period, is already beyond, if you know that at the fronts, for the sake of you throwing clods of dirt exuding stench, they went into the land of TWO composition of the VKPb, in the battles for the country ..
                      4. -16
                        10 August 2016 00: 00
                        earlier, Khrushchev’s crafts

                        I do not see a fundamental difference between Khrushchev, Yezhov, Beria and other Soviet crafts. Yes, to be honest - I do not want to understand the working methods of this bastard.
                        If the methods of any particular trio are considered legal, then how can one speak about law at all at that time? She just wasn’t. The law that draws ... My grandmother with 6 children raked all the grain from the house, and my grandfather was taken to the police five times because of denunciations that he was hiding gold.
                        if you know that at the fronts, for the sake of you throwing lumps of mud here exuding stench, you lay down in the ground of TWO of the VKPb, in battles for the country.

                        I have a deep conviction that if under the tsar these two members of the CPSU (b) (and the CPSU (m)) rotted away in hard labor, then there would be no war. And I will not cry that the bastard responsible for unleashing the war went to the ground, sorry, I will not. I have a lot of relatives who died in the Second World War because of this rubbish. I have someone to regret, besides the hunch-nosed "comrades". Nefig was to poison the Germans with Telman and the Rotfront.
                      5. +15
                        10 August 2016 00: 24
                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        I have a deep conviction that if under the tsar these two compositions of the CPSU (b) (and the CPSU (m)) had rotted in hard labor, then there would be no war

                        Are you talking about PMV? Do not make me laugh. But you are talking about the Second World War, aren't you? If, yes, yes, mushrooms would grow in my mouth ... And who started the war?
                      6. -6
                        10 August 2016 09: 26
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        And who started the war?

                        The Bolsheviks poisoned Europe with the Cominterns, Rotfront, and the ideas of the world revolution. Etched to such an extent that the burghers chose the National Socialists to power, just not to stomp into collective farms.
                        Whoever throws stones at the watchdog should not be offended that his hand will be bitten off. Without "would" and "if"
                      7. +3
                        10 August 2016 22: 18
                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        the burghers chose the National Socialists to power, just not to stomp into collective farms.

                        Nazism as a counterweight to socialism? I choose socialism. negative What did Hitler promise? Is it for cars to every burgher? Chubais surpassed him, and we have what we have.
                      8. +15
                        10 August 2016 00: 31
                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        and grandfather was taken to the police five times due to denunciationsthat he is hiding gold.

                        Well, you yourself answered ... Due to denunciations... But it was not Beria and Stalin who scribbled denunciations, but neighbors, "friends", relatives ... No matter how bitter it may be to admit it, alas, the people are to blame for the troubles of the people ... Greed, envy, and just meanness ... it seems to me that the Great Russian Empire died in 1905, and everything else is already a completely natural course of history. Well, something like this...
                      9. +6
                        10 August 2016 02: 24
                        Quote: sniper
                        ... Because of denunciations ... But it was not Beria and Stalin who scribbled denunciations, but neighbors, "friends", relatives ..

                        And half of those who took the denunciation bitterly regretted that they were too lazy and did not write yesterday! And the neighbor bastard is not too lazy! wassat
                        Hi Kolya drinks
                      10. +1
                        10 August 2016 06: 49
                        Quote: sniper
                        No matter how bitter it is to admit it, but alas, the people are to blame for the troubles of the people ...

                        Does everything mean to blame? Then it turns out that nobody ... A convenient position ... It makes no difference - who is above, who is below, who is on the side ...
                      11. -5
                        10 August 2016 09: 19
                        Quote: sniper
                        Well, you yourself answered ... Because of the denunciations ... But it was not Beria and Stalin who scribbled the denunciations, but the neighbors, "friends", relatives ...

                        I agree completely. But the guilt of the people does not make Stalin and Beria innocent of anything. These comrades created and maintained an atmosphere in which all these crimes were possible and natural.
                        If corruption, lies and pretense at all levels flourishes today, then who is to blame? Naturally our guarantor. So it was then.
                      12. -1
                        10 August 2016 10: 39
                        Quote: sniper
                        Well, you yourself answered ... Because of the denunciations ... But it was not Beria and Stalin who scribbled denunciations, but neighbors, "friends", relatives ... No matter how bitter it is to admit it, but in the troubles of the people, alas, the people are to blame ... Greed, envy, and just meanness. it seems to me that the Great Russian Empire died in 1905,

                        Sorry, but you forget about the IMPORTANT - and most importantly, the Bolsheviks created a system in which people were forced to write denunciations, and those who did not write became their victims.

                        Have you ever wondered why such an abomination was not in the Russian Empire?

                        By the way, RI felt fine, even becoming a constitutional monarchy until the 1917 year.
                      13. +8
                        10 August 2016 13: 36
                        The Bolsheviks created a system in which everyone had enough for life, in onuchi, bast shoes and a splinter, they did not sit.
                        The Bolsheviks created the system of the Best Education and Health Care in the World.
                        They broke the ridge of the consolidated power of the West
                        And what did the last amper do?
                        Where under the tsar-tractor and car-building factories * Where is the glass industry, where is the oil industry, machine-tool industry, and much more WHERE ???
                        And the answer is NO.
                        Therefore, tsarist Russia was losing to the West. Therefore, the Februaryists dared their tsar.
                        And what created for example Nicholas who is the second?
                        with Rasputin?
                        Blood on Bloody Sunday? Lensky execution? Hungry village? Stolypin wagons and peasant riots throughout Russia?
                        A net loss in Russian-Japanese?
                        Absolutely unnecessary interference in World War I, where did you lose your Empire and your head?
                        Are you so familiar with the activities of the Gendarme Administration and Zubatov? You probably either forgot or don’t want to remember, at that time your nobles did not consider it an honor to communicate with the nobility, and they sent it to everyone.

                        So it’s easier about the abominations of the Russian Empire, otherwise you will have to remind Saltychikha and many similar ghouls in the noble ranks.
                        And the last, when the Empire was constitutional with us ??? Where is this glaring nonsense taught?
                      14. 0
                        12 August 2016 12: 10
                        Where under the tsar-tractor and car-building factories * Where is the glass industry, where is the oil industry, machine-tool industry, and much more WHERE ???
                        And the answer is NO.

                        Hello, this is the New Year.
                        As of 1913, the most advanced industries were shipbuilding, aircraft manufacturing, and radio engineering.
                        In Russia, both the one and the other and the third were, if not at the highest level, then at a high level, worthy of the world's leading powers. Our battleships and cruisers were some of the best. The Novik-class destroyers are the best in the world. Submarines are some of the best. Aircraft ... the only country in the world with a squadron of heavy bombers in the First World War was Tsarist Russia. And this is Murom. But there was a project for an even more powerful plane, Svyatogor.
                        Radio engineering
                        In order not to meet opposition to this initiative from the ruling elite of tsarist Russia, not to unravel the true purpose of the new business to competitors - foreign firms, the new company was given the modest name of Radio Depot of the Maritime Department. Thus arose in 1913 on the initiative of a group of patriotic scientists the first Russian radio factory, which subsequently played a prominent role in liberating the country from foreign dominance in the field of radio. Unlike foreign enterprises in Russia, which sought to sell obsolete equipment here, which no longer had a demand abroad, Depot radio specialists refused to copy and improve foreign designs, organized the production of domestic-made radio transmitters, based on a multiple spark gap and, as a power source, a high-power machine frequency (1000 hertz) V.P. Vologdin. This group of Russian radio specialists was composed of: M.V. Shuleikin, A.A. Petrovsky, N.N. Tsiklinsky, V.P. Vologdin, V.P. Ivanovsky, I.G. Freiman, L.D. Isakov, I. I. Rengarten et al. In June 1915, the Depot was transformed into the “Radio Telegraph Plant of the Maritime Department”, which carried out all the basic work of arming the warships of the Russian military fleet with radio telegraph stations.

                        The oil industry of the Russian Empire was at a very high level. We were the first in the world to use tankers to transport oil when the United States transported oil in barrels in the holds of dry cargo vessels.
                        Well, yes, we overslept the automobile revolution. But against the background of our shipbuilding and aircraft manufacturing, this was hardly critical.
                        Therefore, tsarist Russia was losing to the West.
                        What exactly did you lose?

                        And what did the second one create, for example, Nikolka? A monster with him Rasputin?
                        The influence of Rasputin on the king was exaggerated by the then liberal and revolutionary press hundreds of times.
                        Blood on Bloody Sunday? Lensky execution? Hungry village? Stolypin wagons and peasant riots throughout Russia?

                        And the blood of the demonstrators in support of the Constituent Assembly on January 5, 1918, what, a different color than those who walked on January 9, 1905?
                        And the execution in Novocherkassk in 1962, which is very different from the Lena execution?
                        Peasant riots? The uprising of Tambov peasants, the uprising of peasants and Cossacks against collectivization? Famine of 1921 and then famine in the USSR 1932-1933
                        A net loss in Russian-Japanese?

                        There was no "outright" loss. Only the 1905 revolution prevented us from outright defeating the Japanese. But the Japanese also did not receive even a fifth of what they hoped for.
                      15. 0
                        13 August 2016 09: 34
                        Quote: Seal
                        In Russia, both the one and the third were, if not at the highest level, then at the highest level, worthy of the leading powers of the world.

                        You, like other such dreamers, confuse invention and science with industry and technology.

                        For invention, one talent is self-taught with few helpers.

                        For science in a 19th-century steed, with which RI was really good, a few leading researchers and a dozen or two followers are enough. Equipment, if anything, to buy cheap abroad, in such and such quantities.

                        But for industry and technology, an appropriate level of development of an ALL power is needed, and therefore tsarist Russia was in full flight here.

                        Quote: Seal
                        As of 1913, the most advanced industries were shipbuilding, aircraft manufacturing, and radio engineering.

                        Well, let's figure it out.

                        Shipbuilding? Ha! The best "Russian" warships all as one were built abroad, either according to foreign projects, or with the use of foreign units!

                        What was being built in Russia lagged far behind its foreign counterparts. At the same time, it was done much longer and much more expensive.

                        By the way, who in Russia ordered the construction of ships from abroad? Huh? Keep quiet

                        England supplied more than half of the planet with ships of its construction, including Russia. Ships made for export by Germany, France, Italy, - also everything including For Russia. Even Japan, by the end of WWI, received an order from France for destroyers.

                        But Russian ships in the service abroad were only as trophies. For free.
                      16. 0
                        13 August 2016 09: 56
                        Now we discuss your nonsense about aviation. It was MUCH sadder with her than with shipbuilding!

                        According to Russian data, in the Russian Navy there were 152 ships built at foreign shipyards, and even more ships built according to drawings and samples of foreign ones.

                        For example, the most numerous series of destroyers before RYAV - the Falcon type, 27 copies - was made according to English drawings, the Whale / Killer whale type - according to German, the Trout type - according to French, etc.

                        But at the same time, in 1917 there were 557 ships in the Russian Navy, i.e. about half of them could still be considered Russian without quotation marks.

                        But among the "Russian" planes there were almost no Russians.
                        And even those that were - Sikorsky bombers, Grigorovich boats - flew on foreign engines, because theirs in Russia were made endangered little, badly and again in imitation of foreign ones.
                      17. 0
                        13 August 2016 10: 02
                        And it was very sad with the radio. Popov Popov, but according to his scheme, very small numbers of radio stations were produced by a pair of artisanal artels, and that’s all.

                        And the overwhelming majority of "Russian" radio stations were purchased in England and France, and there they were made, of course, using Marconi's technology. Because developed countries have their own radio engineering = industry = already existed, but in Russia it WAS NOT.

                        What else was advanced in tsarist Russia? wink
                      18. 0
                        14 August 2016 12: 05
                        Again before the REV? And what, after the REV, in your opinion, was there no life in Russia anymore?
                        Why don't you name the submarines built in the Russian Empire after the RYAV? These are the Shark series of underwater spoons; "Walrus"; "Lamprey"; "Bars" !!! Does the underwater minelayer "Crab" tell you anything?
                        The submarine "Crab", the world's first underwater minelayer, was designed by Mikhail Petrovich Naletov, a communications technician by training, a talented inventor, energetic and proactive designer. In July 1915, the "Crab" made its first military campaign. Near the Bosphorus he set up a minefield, which blew up the enemy cruiser "Breslau".

                        The main core of the Russian submarine fleet was made up of Bars-type submarines - also designs by I.G. Bubnova. Their construction began in 1913-1914. in Petersburg and Revel. The surface displacement of Bars was 650 tons, the submarine - 782 tons. Two diesel engines with a total capacity of 3000 hp. allowed to develop a submarine in a freeboard position the speed of 18 knots., its cruising range was within 2250 miles. In the underwater position, the full speed reached 9,6 knots. It was ensured by the operation of two electric motors with a capacity of 900 hp. At this speed, the submarine could travel 25 miles under water. The working immersion depth was limited to 50 m, the limit was -100 m. The armament consisted of four torpedo tubes (two in the bow and aft) and two 57-mm and 37-mm cannons.

                        Already in the course of the war, Russia became the world leader in the use of hydro-cruisers (aircraft carriers), thanks to which the factor of domination in the field of creation and use of naval aviation contributed. Russian aircraft designer Dmitry Pavlovich Grigorovich, he worked as a technical director of the plant of the First Russian Aeronautical Society from 1912, in 1913 he designed the world's first seaplane (M-1) and immediately began to improve the aircraft. In 1914, Grigorovich built the flying boat M-5. It was a double biplane wooden structure. The seaplane entered service with the Russian fleet as a scout and spotter of the artillery fire, and in the spring of 1915, the plane made its first combat departure. In 1916, the new aircraft of Grigorovich, the heavier M-9 (naval bomber), was put into service. Then the Russian nugget designed the world's first seaplane fighter M-11.
                      19. 0
                        14 August 2016 11: 40
                        Well, let's figure it out. Shipbuilding? Ha! The best "Russian" warships are all as one built abroad, either according to foreign projects, or with the use of foreign units!

                        Of course, of course, let's figure it out. Not only with the Russo-Japanese War (even the cruiser Varyag was built at American shipyards), but with the state of the Russian imperial fleet by the beginning of the First World War.
                        So, let's start with the main force - with battleships. The battleships of the Sevastopol type are the Baltic series of Russian battleships, the first dreadnoughts of the Russian fleet. The project was developed by the Baltic Shipbuilding Plant in St. Petersburg, under the guidance of the professor of the Maritime Academy I. G. Bubnov and with the participation of A. N. Krylov.

                        All four production ships were laid in June 1909 at the shipyards of St. Petersburg. “Sevastopol” (the lead ship of the series - by launch date) and “Petropavlovsk” (3rd ship of the series) were laid at the Baltic Plant, and “Poltava” (2nd ship of the series) and “Gangut” at the Admiralty Plant (last ship of the series).

                        At the time of laying these ships were considered the best in their class, the experience of their design laid the foundation for the creation of Russian battleships of the Black Sea series of the type: “Empress Maria”.

                        The Empress Maria type is another series of Russian battleships. They were designed in the years 1910-1911 on the basis of battleships of the Sevastopol type and were intended to withstand the new Turkish battleships on the Black Sea. In 1911-1917, three ships of this type were built. The fourth, “Emperor Nicholas I,” was laid in 1914 according to a revised draft, which was distinguished by enhanced reservation, but its construction was not completed due to the outbreak of revolution. The Black Sea dreadnought-type battleships, similar to the Baltic ones in principle and displacement, were inferior to them in engine power and speed, but superior in range, in terms of mine artillery power and degree of armor protection.
                        All battleships were built according to domestic projects at domestic factories and from domestic materials - the main requirement of the Marine Ministry.

                        Destroyers of the "Novik" type. By the beginning of the First World War, the Noviks were considered the best ships of their class. The newest long-barreled 102-mm guns of the Obukhov plant with good ballistics, new two- and three-tube torpedo tubes with tube dissolution, salvo torpedo and artillery fire control devices favorably distinguished them both from their predecessor destroyers and from modern representatives of the class "destroyer" ... The ability to carry up to 80 mines of obstacles made the destroyers of this type versatile ships. The Noviks were capable of both engaging in artillery duels and carrying out torpedo attacks and laying minefields both near their bases and on enemy communications.

                        The requirements are the same. Domestic projects, domestic plants, domestic materials. Manufacturers
                        Society of Nikolaev factories and shipyards; Putilovsky plant
                        Metal plant; Russian-Baltic plant; Bulk; Becker and K
                        Mulgraben Shipyard (Riga, Russia)

                        Please enlighten at least a little about the "backwardness of the industry of the Russian Empire."

                        http://www.e-reading.club/chapter.php/1007019/11/Vinogradov_-_Poslednie_ispoliny
                        _Rossiyskogo_Imperatorskogo_flota.html

                        http://www.e-reading.club/chapter.php/1007019/12/Vinogradov_-_Poslednie_ispoliny
                        _Rossiyskogo_Imperatorskogo_flota.html
                      20. +1
                        11 August 2016 20: 03
                        Ratnik about the "absence of denunciations" in tsarist Russia.

                        There were such cases in Russia, we just didn't have someone like A. Dumas to write about his "Count of Monte Cristo"
                        This question is only for some reason not investigated.

                        My father told me such an incident. Before the revolution, in our town, a political mother went to church and confessed to one of the priests what her son was doing and asked him to walk before the Almighty so that her son would not go to hell for this. Then he thundered to hard labor.
                      21. +6
                        10 August 2016 09: 00
                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        And I will not cry that the bastard responsible for unleashing the war went to the ground, sorry, I will not. I have a lot of relatives who died in the Second World War because of this rubbish. I have someone to regret, besides the humped "comrades"

                        About how ... it turns out, contrary to the well-known fact that the aggression against the USSR was launched by Hitler Germany, you, in all seriousness, declared that you were the culprit of World War II?
                        Your application, in this case, is subject to criminal qualification, as an attempt to acquit Hitler.
                        Next, you’re whining something about some hunchbacked comrades ... yeah, that means, for example, the well-known A.Matrosov, 7 brothers of the Gazdanovs, Maresiev, Shalandin-tanker, all these are humpbacked .. and you became a descendant of true Aryans, with which they snooped?
                        How did you survive in your family without being melted by hatred?
                      22. +7
                        10 August 2016 09: 12
                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        you, in all seriousness, declared that the culprit of World War II-USSR?

                        Yes, this is a new "historical truth" among the enemies of the communists who seized the USSR and the socialist countries of Eastern Europe. Hitler and the Hitlerite coalition from several European countries that attacked the USSR, they are "white and fluffy", and Stalin is to blame for the outbreak of the war and all its victims, and the winner in the war, of course, is the Americans.
                        The enemies of the Communists have nothing sacred, the complete absence of even a hint of conscience.
                      23. -12
                        10 August 2016 09: 35
                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        It turns out, contrary to the well-known fact that aggression against the USSR was launched by Hitler Germany, you, in all seriousness, declared that the culprit of World War II was the USSR?

                        Known facts say that the Second World War began when the Germans attacked Poland on September 1. And two weeks later, the USSR attacked the same Poland.
                        Formally, it turns out that the USSR did not start a war, but in fact it is necessary to be very big yap in order to mask the fact of unleashing the war together with the Nazis with beautiful phrases.
                        Your application, in this case, is subject to criminal qualification, as an attempt to acquit Hitler.

                        If you appeal to modern legislation, then remember that Beria is denied rehabilitation by this legislation. Stop limping on both knees and pull out the facts that you like, and those that you don't like to blame on Khrushchev, Yakovlev, Svanidze and other ghouls. Decide - either all or nothing.
                      24. +9
                        10 August 2016 09: 54
                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        And two weeks later, the USSR attacked the same Poland.

                        The most important thing that you, the enemies of the Communists, have proved with your anti-Soviet propaganda is that there are NO honest and objective people among you, you do not live by conscience, but BY FAVOR.
                        In particular, for the sake of profit in anti-Soviet propaganda, the Russian enemies of the communists, starting with Gorbachev, since the end of the 80s, grovel in front of the Poles-Russophobes with their Katyn, rush to defend the Poles with regard to the partition of Poland, and against Hitler you are not angry, but only against Stalin.
                        For the sake of profit, you threw out of history that the Bolsheviks voluntarily gave the Poles independence, and they, in "gratitude", unleashed the Soviet-Polish war, that tens of thousands of Red Army men and thousands of White Guards died in Polish concentration camps, that the Poles, together with Hitler, dismembered Czechoslovakia ...
                        And the Poles, too, for the sake of profit, since the end of the 80s did not remember the tens of thousands of peaceful Poles killed in the Volyn massacre, only recently they "remembered".
                      25. +5
                        10 August 2016 13: 45
                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        Known facts say that the Second World War began when the Germans attacked Poland on September 1. And two weeks later, the USSR attacked the same Poland.
                        Formally, it turns out that the USSR did not start a war, but in fact it is necessary to be very big yap in order to mask the fact of unleashing the war together with the Nazis with beautiful phrases.


                        What was it now?
                        A repeat of the mythologem of a liberal, venal public from Zubov to Gozman?
                        But nothing, dear, that by September 1939, or rather the 17th, there were no STATES of Poland, there was a territory, there was no state. It’s nothing that the Soviet troops occupied only and only that
                        , which was rejected by Russia in 1920, during the Polish campaign provoked by Trotsky and Tukhachevsky with a sad result for us, the loss of western territories.
                        The concept of LINE OF KERZON is not familiar, the very line where the troops of the USSR went out and stopped — without touching the native Polish lands proper.
                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        If you appeal to modern legislation, then remember that Beria is denied rehabilitation by this legislation. Stop limping on both knees and pull out the facts that you like, and those that you don't like to blame on Khrushchev, Yakovlev, Svanidze and other ghouls. Decide - either all or nothing.

                        I’m not going to appeal to the lame legislation of liberal hysteria such as Yakovlev and the relatives, gozman and others who, on the basis of FALSE documents for their political purposes, do not intend to listen to stories about how some fake people manage to draw conclusions.
                        The rehabilitation of Beria will, unlike the rehabilitation of Kolchak, Krasnovy and Vlasov.
                        I long ago decided on the recognition of friend or foe, you see relate to the coordinate system of strangers.
                        And to us if something happens in different trenches, you are in NATO, I'm with mine.
                      26. -3
                        11 August 2016 23: 16
                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        I long ago decided on the recognition of friend or foe, you see relate to the coordinate system of strangers.

                        I’m so upset by this fact that I’m crying right now. crying
                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        And to us if something happens in different trenches, you are in NATO, I'm with mine.

                        The main thing in Durkee is not to sit down instead of the trench, because what is more, I don’t understand NATO at all. laughing
                      27. lel
                        +3
                        12 August 2016 08: 52
                        you don’t know history or don’t want to know (it’s so convenient for you) ... Poland never was a friend of the USSR after 17 years, it was from its territory that white gangs attacked the border territories of our country, and under the word attacked Poland, you it’s convenient not to notice that as a state, Poland no longer existed, its government fled to London and it itself was occupied by Germany, so the entry of troops was more than justified, especially since we occupied our own territory, which had belonged to Russia from the beginning ... but you have is another point of view true?
                      28. -2
                        12 August 2016 12: 54
                        Quote: lel
                        and under the word attacked Poland, it’s convenient for you not to notice that as a state, Poland no longer existed, its government fled to London and it itself was occupied by Germany,

                        Familiar proletarian psychology.
                        Those. if criminals drive your neighbors out of their own apartment, then with good conscience will you go down to requisition the next grand piano and move into the empty rooms?
                        Or will you directly help these criminals to take things out of a robbed apartment, bearing in mind that the neighbor Aunt Zoya did not give you one hundred rubles at the time?
                        Do not be surprised then that later you will be called a thief, as your Soviet gods are actually called.
                      29. 0
                        16 August 2016 17: 11
                        it was from its territory that white gangs attacked the border territories of our country,
                        Yes exactly. And no one is going to dispute that the Poles are bastards who killed tens of thousands of captured Red Army soldiers in their concentration camps.

                        But we must not forget about this.
                        http://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/id/4373/
                      30. 0
                        13 August 2016 08: 57
                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        two weeks later, the USSR attacked the same Poland.

                        To be precise,
                        1. after 16 days
                        0. By that time, Poland as a state was no longer there. The government fled, the leadership of the armed forces disappeared, there was no one to attack. The statement of the Soviet government was stated so.

                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        actually you have to be very big yap

                        "Oh, well, who would say" (C) wink
              2. -1
                12 August 2016 11: 25
                I don’t understand, who threw to whom?
                threw them to us supporters of true communists

                Both Gorbachev and Yeltsin grew up under Soviet rule, went to Soviet kindergartens, then were Oktyabrs, then pioneers, then Komsomol members, then Communists, then grew along the party line ... and grew to the highest posts of the communist hierarchy. Or that, in your opinion, some space aliens stole the real Gorbachev and Yeltsin and replaced them with space bandits who reincarnated as Gorbachev and Yeltsin? Or did the real communists at an early stage recognize that Gorbachev and Yeltsin were the future grave diggers of the USSR, but were silent in a rag, putting their tongues in one place? So it’s sorry, a cavity and a crime.
                If the real Communists, neither at the early, nor at the middle and late stage, were able to recognize that Gorbachev and Yeltsin are the future grave diggers of the USSR, then this also does not color them, because political blind people are dangerous for the state.
                The second one. threw them to ussupporters of true communists
                And who is with us now? real communists ?
                Communist Party? So there Uncle Ziu has long spit on Lenin's "Religion - opium for the people" stands in churches with the thickest candles in the most honorable places.
                Party "Communists of Russia"?
                http://www.komros.info/

                Here is a rough list of the current Communist Parties. So which of them are real and which are not real?

                All-Russian Communist Party of the Future?
                All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks?
                Communist Party of the Russian Federation?
                Communist Party of Social Justice?
                Communists - Labor Russia - For the Soviet Union?
                The Communists of Russia?
                United Communist Party?
                Party of Peace and Unity?
                The Russian Communist Workers Party as part of the CPSU?
                Russian Maoist Party?
                The Russian Communist Party?
                Russian united labor front?
                Union of Communists (party)?
                Labor Russia?
            2. +4
              9 August 2016 22: 43
              You, enemies of the communists, people of very low quality, for the entire quarter of a century after you captured the republics of the USSR, you act on the principle of "defense through attack", to all accusations, criticism against you, you always miserably respond according to the principle "yourself."
              Well, this nonsense "made your favorite revolution. Bronstein, Dzhugashvili and Apfelbaum with the financial help of Parvus and with the approval of the German General Staff" I will not even discuss.
              Anti-Sovietism is still the same religion, people simply believe because they WANT to believe, and under this thoughtless faith their "shepherds" are pushing them whatever they want.
              1. -9
                9 August 2016 22: 47
                Quote: tatra
                You enemies of the Communists are very poor quality people

                Naturally, where are we to the Lapotniks before you? laughing The quality is not ours - the nails are dirty
                1. +2
                  9 August 2016 23: 22
                  Quote: Heimdall47
                  Naturally, where are we to the Lapotniks before you?

                  Why are you offended by the truth? Yes, the enemies of the Communists given to you by Gorbachev, for which you do not feel the slightest feeling of gratitude, because you have it completely absent, freedom, fully revealed their whole true essence, and proved that you are people of very low quality, as in work, and in terms of mentality and intellect, and you yourself perfectly understand this, hence your maniacal passion for criticizing others, for the cowardly "but we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame"
                2. +3
                  10 August 2016 06: 52
                  Quote: Heimdall47
                  The quality is not ours - the nails are dirty

                  Nails is an indicator? For z.nitsa, forgot, lbock and most importantly = pumpkin with brains rotten from black thoughts.
                  1. +2
                    10 August 2016 09: 13
                    Does he have Heimdall47?
                    Rather yes than the opposite ..
          2. +1
            10 August 2016 19: 42
            The term "anti-patriotism" was at one time replaced by the term "cosmopolitanism."
            https://traditio.wiki/Борьба_с_космополитизмом
        2. +5
          10 August 2016 09: 50
          But the Communists have had more success in 25 years than the Democrats. Apparently, they got better people wassat
        3. +3
          11 August 2016 08: 16
          A free education and health care factories factories are also all the USSR and not abortion and alcoholism!
    2. +3
      9 August 2016 22: 37
      there is no other light left in the window
      Well, why, regularly attends church churches. Nazi criminals were rehabilitated under his rule; even memorial plaques began to be hung up.
    3. -3
      10 August 2016 10: 46
      Quote: Author
      Myth.
      L. Beria proposed to Stalin to create detachments to shoot the retreating

      Fact.
      In fact, detachments are known since ancient times, they were used before Ancient Rome. But in the Russian army, such measures were not applied. During the Civil War, detachments were created at critical moments in order to avoid flight from the front. And during the Great Patriotic War, the directive on the creation of detachments was signed by 27 June Tymoshenko and Zhukov. By order of Stakes, this practice was extended to all fronts. The barrage of the NKVD caught the stragglers and fled from the front, delaying only 10 October 1941 of the year 650 thousand people! Thus, parts of Beria solved a strategic task, not allowing the front to collapse. Of this number, only 25 thousand were arrested, the rest returned to the front. So what kind of atrocities can we talk about? There are orders of Zhukov, who offered to shoot all at all without dismantling deserters.

      If the author of the article continues to have items of the same quality, then you can safely throw it in the trash.

      The author AT ALL does not understand history or intentionally misrepresents facts.
      In ancient Rome there were no detachments.
      In Russian history, detachments before the Communists were - but only with one, extremely unpleasant historical figure - Peter the Great - they were first used in the battle at the village of Lesnoye, then in many battles including Poltava. After Peter I, the only case of using army detachments by the army of the Russian Empire was recorded - this is the Battle of Zorndorf.

      Under communists, the practice of detachment detachments was introduced as a constant factor since the Civil War and was forgotten in the interwar period. It was revived by Zhukov at Khalkhin-Gol (but until 1942 of the year as a temporary phenomenon).
      1. +7
        10 August 2016 10: 51
        Quote: Warrior2015
        In Russian history, detachments before the Communists were - but only with one, extremely unpleasant historical figure - Peter the Great - they were first used in the battle at the village of Lesnoye, then in many battles including Poltava. After Peter I, the only case of using army detachments by the army of the Russian Empire was recorded - this is the Battle of Zorndorf.

        Yes ?? Are you sure about this?
        A very eloquent excerpt from the order for the 8 Army General of the cavalry A.A. Brusilova from 15 June 1915 g.: “... Behind you need to have especially reliable people and machine guns, so that, if necessary, to force forward and weak-minded people. You shouldn’t ponder before the whole-body shooting of parts for trying to turn back or, worse, surrender ”[5]. The first significant (army-wide) resolution on the use of force against demoralized own units was thus generated by the critical situation at the front, which began with the “Great Retreat” of the Russian army from the western limits of the empire. Of course, the then, albeit complicated, situation cannot be compared with the catastrophe of the Red Army in the early days of the Great Patriotic War.
        Be that as it may, the evidence of the application of such extraordinary measures in practice neither in 1915 nor in 1916. we practically do not have. In this sense, the episode on the eve of the February Revolution is exceptional - the unrest in the units of the 12th Army, which launched an offensive on the Mitava axis. On December 22, 1916, soldiers of the 17th Siberian Rifle Regiment refused to obey command orders. After the report of the regiment commander, Colonel Borozdin, the head of the 5th Siberian Rifle Division, Major General E.A. Milodanovich ordered the rebel soldiers to be put in order in the rear, resorting to force, if necessary
        http://actualhistory.ru/zagradotryady_ria
        Pharisaical publicists, using the fact of creating fines and barrage detachments to condemn the "totalitarian regime" and personally I.V. Stalin, avoid matching even with the Wehrmacht. Which, however, does not prevent them from admiring the "professionalism" of the German generals. It is known, however, that during the crisis of the German army near Moscow, Hitler, among other measures to stabilize the situation, issued an order on December 16, 1941, prohibiting the unauthorized abandonment of positions and demanding “fanatic resistance” from the troops of Army Group Center. About 100 penal companies were created in the troops. As for the detachments, in the Wehrmacht, their functions were performed by units of the Feljandarmerie. Generals who allowed the withdrawal of units were immediately removed from their posts. The commander of the 2nd Army, General Schmidt, gave the order to identify those who dared to conduct defeatist conversations, and for a clear example to others, immediately shoot them.

        The Wehrmacht commanders, depending on the situation and without instructions from above, were ready to apply the most stringent disciplinary measures to subordinates. Here, for example, is the recommendation of General Gablents to the command of the 384th Infantry Division (autumn 1942): “Commanders should be stricter ... A military tribunal should judge the deserters. A soldier who fell asleep at a military post deserves to be shot on the spot. ” At the final stage of the Battle of Stalingrad, the commander of the 8th army corps, Colonel General W. Heitz, ordered the execution of 364 death sentences for eight days.


        Where did the legend about the brutality of detachments come from?
        According to experts, for the first time this topic began to aggressively promote the propaganda apparatus of the Vlasov Russian Liberation Army. After all, the main point of the ideology of the Vlasovites is that they, they say, are fighting not for the Germans, but for the liberation of Russia from the tyranny of Stalin. Why are other people fighting the liberators to the last breath? They are being driven under machine guns.
        1. -2
          10 August 2016 11: 21
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          General of the cavalry A.A. Brusilova

          There are no facts of using detachments in the First World War. And the same Brusilov - apparently not just transferred to the Bolsheviks after 1917, apparently their practice was closer to him.

          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          About 100 free companies were created in the troops. As for the detachments, in the Wehrmacht, their functions were performed by units of the Feljandarmerie.
          Regarding the punitive companies of the Germans near Moscow - this is a dark matter, this time. And secondly, the functionality of the Feljanjarmeria was completely different from that of the Soviet detachments (briefly - they did not stand behind the attackers with machine guns).
          1. +3
            10 August 2016 13: 52
            Quote: Warrior2015

            There are no facts of using detachments in the First World War. And the same Brusilov - apparently not just transferred to the Bolsheviks after 1917, apparently their practice was closer to him.

            In addition to the hero of World War I Brusilov, the glorious surnames of Russian noblemen, including generals, served in the Red Army, but the foolishness then fought against Belykh later, naturally fought in foreign armies, from the Hitler Reich to the Japanese Mikado
            Briefly for the infantile ..
            Lieutenant General of the Imperial Army Mikhail Dmitrievich Bonch-Bruevich
            Colonel of the Imperial Army Sergey Sergeyevich Kamenev.
            hereditary nobleman, Major General of the Imperial Army Pavel Pavlovich Lebedev
            hereditary nobleman and major general of the Imperial Army Alexander Alexandrovich Samoilo.
            Colonel of the General Staff B.M. Shaposhnikov
            Lieutenant General N.D. Parsky
            Major General N.N. Petin
            The desire of the tsarist officers to serve in the Red Army is understandable - they saw the new government as the personification of Russia, and Russia is threatened by the enemy. Who else but they will protect the Fatherland from the adversary?
            Here, for example, what Altfater wrote in his application for admission to the Red Army: “I have served so far only because I considered it necessary to be useful to Russia where I can, and the way I can. But I did not know and did not believe you. I still don’t understand much, but I was convinced ... that you love Russia more than many of ours. And now I have come to tell you that I am yours. ” The same words could be repeated by Baron Alexander von Taube
            https://topwar.ru/23528-oficery-i-generaly-carskoy-armii-na-sluzhbe-sovetskoy-re
            spubliki.html
            1. -1
              10 August 2016 14: 40
              The desire of the officers of the tsarist army to serve in the Red Army is understandable - they considered the new government as the personification of Russia .......
              You probably should take a break in the comments, you can’t give out at such a shocking pace.
              Which otzil ..... personifies the new fate of the woman of the mountains, you know
              1. 0
                10 August 2016 14: 49
                Sometimes beavers spoil the environment, do you happen to know why?

                Now the next question
                Quote: bober1982
                You probably should take a break in the comments, you can’t give out at such a shocking pace.


                How about you, is there a censor, an editor, or simply an idly talker who does not know the realities of history, does not want to learn something new for himself, and not sets of liberal husks, gossip and direct lies with dirt?

                And if you are interested in the fate of women from the mountains, write an article about, for example, the fate of women in Syria, maybe you can do it. Try, here you are, alas, but somehow not the topic ..
                1. +2
                  10 August 2016 14: 58
                  Beavers are useful animals, first appeared in Asia, the beaver has beautiful fur. The tail and limbs of the beaver are black.
                  1. 0
                    10 August 2016 17: 03
                    Well, if the skin is valuable, yes, but the swamp is fermented only like that, choice, skin or sitting in the swamp?
            2. +2
              10 August 2016 17: 36
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              in the Red Army served the glorious surnames of Russian nobles

              Give at least one really noble family - there is not a single one in the list that has been announced (there are only a couple of the poorest nobles, whose social and economic situation was very low).

              And also let me remind you what fate befell the majority of "non-party military experts" during the Great Terror of the 30s?

              And yes, do not confuse the Bolshevik revolutionaries of the initial period with the communists of the late USSR.
              1. 0
                10 August 2016 18: 13
                Googel big, find.
                Second, you already decide, then you are whining for the fate of the nobles, then suddenly the wrong nobles are.
                Third, the fate of specialists-31 years old, Gamarnik, Tukhachevsky and K, were answered for this at 37, are you again unhappy with something?
                And last, if you have porridge in your head, then cook it with beavers in a swamp.
            3. -1
              14 August 2016 12: 37
              You do not take into account one feature of the Russian imperial award system.
              There was one of the lowest in the system of orders of the Russian Empire - the Order of St. Stanislovu, which served mainly to distinguish officials. It was originally a Polish order. It was founded on May 7, 1765 by the King of Poland and the Grand Duke of Lithuania Stanislav Augustus Poniatowski. It was the award of the Commonwealth, the Duchy of Warsaw, the Kingdom of Poland. In 1831, after the suppression of the Polish uprising of 1830-1831, along with other Polish orders, he was included in the Chapter of Russian Orders. When establishing the order of any degree granted the rights of hereditary nobilityHowever, among the nobility, discontent arose from too many new nobles from among merchants and small servants. In 1845, the Highest Command suspended the awarding of the 2nd and 3rd degrees. Awards were resumed only from June 28, 1855, but since that time only the first degree of the Order of St. Stanislav granted the right to hereditary nobility.
              Hence the huge number of people who suddenly became "hereditary" nobles. Among other things, we accepted as "hereditary" those who were awarded this order even before it was included in the chapter of Russian Orders.
              The most common order of the Russian Empire:

              The first degree is about 20.
              The second degree is about 92.
              Third degree - more than 752 pcs.

              That is, several hundred thousand, so to speak, currying favor and receiving this most widespread order became "hereditary nobles".

              Therefore, the term "hereditary nobleman" without specifying the genealogy of a specific personality of a "hereditary nobleman" is an empty phrase.

              Lieutenant General of the Imperial Army Mikhail Dmitrievich Bonch-Bruevich

              The brother of Vladimir Dmitrievich Bonch-Bruevich, who was the closest assistant and de facto secretary of V.I. Lenin.

              Kamenev - the origin is doubtful. Type "gentry".

              Pavel Pavlovich Lebedev. Origin - from poor nobles, religion - Orthodox. From the age of 12 he studied at the public expense in the Nizhny Novgorod Count Arakcheev cadet corps, after which he became a cadet of the Moscow Alexander Military School.

              And so on.
              Specifically about Brusilov. It is hardly possible to call him a "hero". Rather, a gravedigger.
              More details - here
              http://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/id/5462/
              1. 0
                14 August 2016 20: 28
                Quote: Seal
                Specifically about Brusilov. It is hardly possible to call him a "hero". Rather, a gravedigger.

                The Brusilovsky breakthrough is the only bright spot for the Russian army for the entire WWII, the joy and consolation of the bakers laughing
                Everything else that can be called Russian victories with a stretch of the word is either too small-scale, or in fact it is not such a victory.

                Yes, in the Brusilov breakthrough, Russian losses were one and a half times greater than the German ones. For the offensive, it's normal. Other Russian generals and more "gray cattle" were sent to feed the crows, but to no avail.
                1. 0
                  16 August 2016 17: 04
                  to no avail.

                  And then what is the "good"? Austria was not withdrawn from the war. The front line against the Germans practically did not change. Well, except that they saved Italy from defeat. Well, yes, Romania joined the war on the side of the Entente. And this greatly worsened our situation, since this very Romania was occupied by Austrian troops in two weeks and Germany and Austria received the Romanian oil fields at their complete disposal.
                  Kovel we did not take, Lviv - did not take. The maximum advance is 120 kilometers in general, which is of no particular importance to the area - Bukovina. To the important centers of Austria-Hungary was oh how far. But in the opinion of the military historian, white emigrant Anton Kersnovsky: “For Russia and the Russian army, this whole grandiose offensive operation ultimately turned out to be harmful. The victories of May – June were drowned in the blood of July – October ... The excellent personnel of the southwestern armies were completely knocked out. ”

                  An extremely tough and unpleasant assessment of the “innovator-general” and his methods of warfare are given by many of Brusilov's subordinates. Including, for example, General Vladimir Sokolov, who commanded the 14th Infantry Division. “Intoxicated by the first successes ... Brusilov drove us forward on the whole front without reserves, without replenishment,” noted Sokolov in his memoirs written in hot pursuit. “The result ... had a quick effect: spraying and incurring losses with each transition, we quickly became weak, and it was easy for the enemy’s reserves to turn our success into a catastrophe.”
                  According to German and Austrian military statistics, between the end of May 1916 and the end of the year, the enemy lost 850 thousand people in the offensive zone of the armies of the Russian South-Western Front.
                  According to Nelipovich, who relies in his calculations on the Headquarters headquarters, from the beginning of the offensive operations of the South-Western Front until their official completion, that is, from May 22 (June 4) to October 14 (27), 1916, the Brusil armies lost, in part According to data, 1,5-1,65 million people. Including at least 360 thousand irrevocably - killed and missing.
          2. +2
            11 August 2016 10: 17
            Quote: Warrior2015
            Regarding the punitive companies of the Germans near Moscow - this is a dark matter, this time. And secondly, the functionality of the Feljanjarmeria was completely different from that of the Soviet detachments (briefly - they did not stand behind the attackers with machine guns).

            You either don’t know anything at all, or stir up water with a special one.
            By order of the General Staff, a "test unit 500" was formed, which consisted of soldiers and officers who were guilty at the front. Once in this battalion, a serviceman was deprived of all titles, awards and regalia. The 500th battalions were sent to the most difficult sectors of the front. For example, the 561st battalion fought bloody battles with the Red Army soldiers at the Sinyavinsky Heights near Leningrad. Both sides suffered colossal losses. The land was literally littered with corpses for many kilometers. It was the 500th battalion that the Germans first used as detachments, although they subsequently denied this fact in every possible way.

            There was another type of "test unit", with serial number 999. Concentration camp prisoners were sent to them. It was they who became cannon fodder, which was driven to slaughter by the detachments. The term of stay in such a unit ranged from 3 to 6 months. Only one in ten penalties lived to the end of his term, after which he was transferred to the 500th division, where he could fully rehabilitate himself before the Reich.

            A comprehensive article on Wehrmacht fines
            http://aloban75.livejournal.com/1546556.html
            1. 0
              14 August 2016 13: 17
              By order of the General Staff, a "test unit 500" was formed, which was formed from soldiers and officers who were guilty at the front.

              In fact, the Germans entered the war already having "penal battalions".
              Baptism of fire 500 battalions

              In the course of the direct preparation of the attack on the Soviet Union, the 500th Special Purpose Infantry Battalion was already included on May 14, 1941 into the 101st Infantry Division, which was part of the newly formed 17th Army. Until June 8, 1941, the battalion was based northwest of the border river San in the vicinity of Przemysl. In fact, the battalion was part of the 101st division until the summer of 1943. The 500th battalion followed with the 17th Army, which was to strike at Lvov (Lemberg), then, following through Kharkov, Kramatorsk, reach the Caucasus. Having planned an offensive operation, the Wehrmacht forces had to capture Maykop, Grozny and Baku, cutting off the Red Army from oil fields. The development of the oil-bearing region itself was supposed to be handed over to the semi-state concerns Continental Erdöl AG, Grozny IGFarben, Deutsche Erdöl AG, Wintershall, Proizag, as well as a number of large banks. Such a breakthrough, on the one hand, provided fuel for the forces of the Wehrmacht, and on the other hand, was to lay the foundations for a new oil empire, which would be a prerequisite for the establishment of world domination.
              In the first two days of the Barbarossa plan, the 500th battalion was in reserve. In the evening of June 24, 1941, the battalion occupied the Ukrainian village of Pozdzyak, where the next morning received the first "real" battle order. Already in the first days of the war, many of the "subjects" discovered its criminal nature. Lorenz Knauf, a soldier of the “statutory personnel” of the battalion recalled: “On June 21 we were in position. Then we marched. In the morning, Chief Corporal arrived and delivered three Russians from among civilians. We were still in the trenches. He threw: "They arrived from that side of the border." He put all three on the parapet parapet, and then began to shoot in turn at the back of his head with a pistol. We were very puzzled ... During our first military operation on the second day of the war, civilians began to arrive from different places. They wanted to cross the front line. There was an anti-tank gun, behind which was a lieutenant. He drove all gathered to an open area, which shot well, and then opened fire. Everyone died. "I saw a dead woman lying in a funnel with a small child who just wanted to hide from the war."
    4. +2
      11 August 2016 08: 14
      He was not a holy man; he simply was a great man, one of the most effective manager!
    5. MrK
      +1
      11 August 2016 21: 54
      Quote: Heimdall47
      Listen to the author, so the holy man was Lavrentiy.

      Well, the current government of Russia is entirely Russian. And they go to church on holidays. Only socks smell matzo.
      1. -3
        11 August 2016 22: 10
        Quote: mrark
        current government of Russia

        Your red-bellied type of thinking is well-known - to any criticism you should answer something like - "And in America they lynch blacks in your country."
        Although what is more, blacks and America are not clear.
        And what is the current Russian government here - is it somehow connected with Beria? Unless it was only because it basically consisted in the same party as Lavrentiy. But I think that you will not like this connection.
        1. +2
          11 August 2016 22: 23
          Quote: Heimdall47
          But I think that you will not like this connection.

          Of course, none of the normal people will like that you, the enemies of the Communists, are completely deprived of conscience, beliefs, moral principles, you live not by conscience, but BY FAVOR, you always pretend to be those who are profitable to you and when you stop being profitable, betray those who I believe you.
          There is no difference between those of you who, for the sake of profit in the USSR, pretended to be "loyal communists", supporters of the communists, and those of you who pretend to be "ideological anti-communists" to justify the capture of the USSR by you from the late 80s.
          1. -1
            11 August 2016 23: 04
            Quote: tatra
            Of course, none of the normal people will like that you, the enemies of the Communists, are completely deprived of conscience, beliefs, moral principles, living not according to their conscience, but BENEFIT

            It's good to rave - I was born in 1980 and could not pretend to be a "loyal communist" in the USSR. As well as pretending to be an "ideological anti-communist" from the late 80s. I had no time for that in those years. Therefore, dear, put your primitive stamps on someone else's forehead. I hardly understand what you are broadcasting laughing
            You should write editorials in Pravda about “dizziness from success” with such a style - it looks pathetic and solid, but the meaning is zero.
    6. 0
      12 August 2016 12: 19
      Well what are you saying. We have a lot of light in the window now. Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Mannerheim, Kolchak, Wrangel and soon will be rehabilitated in the Yeltsin Center of Vlasov and all Vlasov, and then Bandera. And you will be happy.
  8. +1
    9 August 2016 21: 51
    “He knew that Zhemchuzhina was passing Molotov’s secrets to the Israeli ambassador, and her other actions directly spoke of espionage activities. Molotov’s wife was freed the day after Stalin’s death, by order of Beria, and immediately rehabilitated and reinstated in the party. So Lavrenty Pavlovich played only a positive role in the fate of the Pearl. "

    Why don’t I see the positive role of Beria here, if the Pearl passed on secrets to Israel, then what the hell did he free her from? request

    "Allegedly, at the Presidium of the Central Committee, he sent a draft solution to the problem with vegetables for revision. But there were 10 people in the Presidium who could make a decision by an overwhelming majority."

    Honestly, this is ridiculous. We all understand that there is a formal Presidium, of course, it could take something by a majority, but the one who weighed there really steered it.

    "L. Beria overheard Stalin in the Kremlin
    Fact.
    This myth has already appeared in our time. With the recent reconstruction of the Kremlin, evidence has emerged that Stalin's cabinet was bugged. The "gray cardinal" of the Soviet Union, Beria, was immediately accused of everything. Journalists seized on the famous surname, realizing that the smaller figure would not be of interest to anyone. In the structure of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) - the CPSU, there was a special service department, which in 1952-1953 was headed by Deputy Minister of State Security I. Savchenko, a close friend of Khrushchev. It was she who had every opportunity to listen to Stalin's office. In the last year of his life, he was alarmed by the activities of Khrushchev. It was not difficult to establish a wiretap - the leader rarely came to the Kremlin in the last months of his life. "


    It's not funny anymore. What was this head of the NKVD, curator of the Ministry of State Security and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, if he was not in the know. Very doubtful.

    "A mess reigned. Among the agents there were many suspicious personalities, the employees were foreigners with relatives abroad. In addition, there were enough supporters of Trotsky. For whom such a structure worked is still a question."

    Strong facts are very similar to the indictments of 1937. Yes

    "Myth.
    special departments led by L. Beria prevented the commanders of the Red Army from effectively fighting with their denunciations. "


    The next step will probably be the rehabilitation of the Mehlis.
    1. +1
      9 August 2016 22: 09
      Yes. And that will be absolutely true.
      Even if someone, at the mention of his nationality, immediately fools his eyes.
      http://odesskiy.com/m/mehlis-lev-zaharovich/page-2.html
      We read, think, evaluate, the assessment will not be in favor of the myth-makers from the camp — living on the principle of paying the whole history of the war, but at the same time the history of the country ..
      1. +2
        9 August 2016 22: 15
        Quote: The Bloodthirster
        Yes. And that will be absolutely true.
        Even if someone, at the mention of his nationality, immediately fools his eyes.

        This is when you mention someone's nationality "obscures the eyes with foolishness." What does nationality have to do with it? fool
        Quote: The Bloodthirster
        We read, think, evaluate, the assessment will not be in favor of the myth-makers from the camp — living on the principle of paying the whole history of the war, but at the same time the history of the country ..

        Well, of course, Martirosyan’s assessment is the highest truth. Yes
        And Stalin, apparently, did not know, therefore, he demoted him.
        1. +8
          9 August 2016 22: 32
          Is it only Martirosyan?
          Stalin, yes, dropped his job, so what? And what about those whom he reported to Mehlis?
          Mehlis is very disliked today. Yes, many did not like him before.
          Being the People’s Commissar of the People’s Commissariat of State Control, an honest lack of money, which cannot be bought, Mehlis became a scourge for the party-state nomenclature trying to profit from the Soviet people. And although less than a year was left before the start of the war, Lev Zakharovich managed to give hands on many, naturally causing fear and hatred of the highest bureaucracy. Hit the drug industry of light industry, the drug of state farms, the drug of the shipbuilding industry, the drug of the oil industry, Mehlis withdrew 3288 rubles from the salary of the People’s Commissar of the Navy, which he ate at the expense of the money allocated for social welfare, went to the drug of the meat and dairy industry and even the Prosecutor General, who Mehlis’s demand was forced to bring to court his thieving heads of departments. In the first half of 1941 alone, Mehlis organized over 400 revisions, thoroughly turning the hornet's nest of greedy villains.
          So you, spitting like Mehlis, an honest man, unwittingly encourage the swindlers with whom he was terrible.
          1. -5
            9 August 2016 22: 44
            Quote: The Bloodthirster
            honest disinterested

            That is why he had a bunch of servants. Yes
            Quote: The Bloodthirster
            Only in the first half of the 1941 year, Mehlis organized over 400 revisions, thoroughly turning the hornet's nest of greedy villains.
            So you, spitting like Mehlis, an honest man, unwittingly encourage the swindlers with whom he was terrible.

            Apparently, these scumbags were the front commanders, whom he prevented from fighting.
            1. +5
              9 August 2016 23: 12
              I had a bunch of servants ... I’m doing it. Were you personally there, as a cook? No? Well, then why put a shadow on the wattle fence, especially when we now have such nouveau riche things that you said against everything, have a miserable look and laughter.
              At the expense of the "commanders" who prevented from fighting, well, the mythical man, then do not repeat, whoever needs it, they snitched on the jug, it's a pity after, and not before, the Crimean disaster happened.
          2. +2
            10 August 2016 06: 46
            I was incredibly surprised !!! Mehlis, who personally shot people, and suddenly so fluffy.
            1. +2
              10 August 2016 09: 17
              And you, dear man, have you been to war?
              Well, at least for what?
              And then I remember my lieutenant, such as you are good-natured, because the mechanic who refused to carry out the order under the fire of the barmalei filled his face, having achieved the execution of the order, a criminal case was opened ... a mole violation of the Charter.
              The same ones ... who did not read the Charter, where it is written in black and white in a combat situation, the commander is obliged to stop the panic and achieve the task.
          3. -1
            10 August 2016 11: 09
            Quote: The Bloodthirster
            Only in the first half of the 1941 year, Mehlis organized over 400 revisions, thoroughly turning the hornet's nest of greedy villains.

            A lot of mind for the device 400 revisions for six months is not necessary. Another question is - when could these structures work normally at such a revision onslaught?

            And did not such "activity" (truly sabotage) play into the collapse of the national economy and the army before June 22, 41?
            1. 0
              11 August 2016 12: 46
              Yours, or rather, activities like you, really played a role in the fact that there were problems then, there are problems now.
              And 400 audits carried out played a role in strengthening both the national economy and the Army as a whole.
              The USSR is not an object proudly calling itself a "state", such as a splinter - for example, Moldova, where there is simply nothing, as a result of actions like you .. The USSR is a structure that is as multifaceted and 400 revisions for such a country are not many.
  9. +17
    9 August 2016 21: 51
    Beria was meanly killed by a clique of Khrushchev, which was smeared in the blood over his ears, after which the deceased was slandered at the state level, and his own vile and lawlessness were hung on him.
    1. 0
      9 August 2016 22: 07
      Quote: Panikovsky
      Beria was meanly killed by a clique of Khrushchev, which was smeared in the blood over his ears, after which the deceased was slandered at the state level, and his own vile and lawlessness were hung on him.


      The closer to the sun, the more chances to singe wings.
      I think he knew what he was going for and did not feel illusions after the arrest, all the more so in an open trial.
      And whose clique has exerted its efforts is not so important, especially since you can learn the truth in 50 years at best.
      I wish you a better long life .. hi
  10. -1
    9 August 2016 21: 58
    So I did not understand the main idea. Beria fluffy bunny? My great-grandfather was slammed in 1938 because of a personal acquaintance with Lenin and Trotsky (rehabilitated in 1954) not by order of Beria?
    1. -6
      9 August 2016 22: 14
      Quote: Berkut24
      So I did not understand the main idea. Beria fluffy bunny?

      Naturally. They, along with Stalin, jumped on the lawn.
      Quote: Berkut24
      My great-grandfather was slammed in 1938 because of a personal acquaintance with Lenin and Trotsky (rehabilitated in 1954) not by order of Beria?

      Now they will tell you how big you are mistaken. Well, or just called the enemy of the people. After all, they did not blame us without guilt, as everyone knows.
    2. +2
      9 August 2016 22: 15
      Slammed for meeting Lenin or Trotsky? Something you, dear, are confused in the testimony.
      1. 0
        9 August 2016 23: 12
        So, I tell you. During the revolution, met with Lenin. Then there was an intricate military career that brought him to the place of the chief of the Political Department of the Luga garrison. If you didn’t study history well, or simply weren’t interested in it, I inform you that all political work in the Red Army, as well as party organizations, was run by one of Lenin’s closest associates, a certain Leiba Davidovich Bronstein. For ordinary people - Leon Trotsky. Actually, Lenin recommended my great-grandfather to Trotsky.
        Then my great-grandfather was promoted in military-party work, up to the 37th. And then Stalin finally got into a fight with Trotsky, and he and Beria began to clean up the old party guard. Wholesale. All party workers of the Red Army, who, accordingly, were directly subordinate to Trotsky, fell under the distribution. It was a collective verdict. There were so many people under the distribution that the courts could not cope and then the very "Troikas" appeared.
        Great-grandfather was sentenced to 10 years. This meant elimination. Great-grandfather slammed the guard while escorting to the place of imprisonment. Nobody knows where he is buried.
        1. 0
          10 August 2016 09: 25
          That is, roughly speaking, your grandfather, peace for him in the afterlife, contacted the Trotskyists, and the reference to the alleged distribution of all party workers was a lie.
          The people of Gamarnik and Tukhachevsky fell under the hand for attempting a military conspiracy.
          So there is no need to sing songs about the "collective" sentence to the people, otherwise it will be necessary to clarify which people, in the Gamarnik company, had to shorten their tongues and heads, especially since, having committed the murder of a sentry, your grandpa committed a criminal offense, for which paid.
          But in order not to become like the simpletons who take the walking myths at face value and see some kind of logic in the events of 37, let's see: what did the military leaders who were executed in 1937-1941 "led"?
          From the publication "Jews in the leadership of the USSR" (www.beseder.co.il) it is revealed that the highest level in the army hierarchy was occupied by the heads of the departments of the People's Commissariat of Defense:
          1. "Leaders" of headquarters offices
          Feldman B.M. - Head of the Office of the Chief of Staff of the Red Army.
          Pertsovsky Z.D. - Deputy. beg. finance. Sep. People's Commissariat of Defense.
          Tkachev M.L. - beg. control groups under the people's commissar of defense of the USSR.
          Barsky B.E. - beg. 3rd Directorate of the General Staff.
          Hecker A.N. - beg. Department of Foreign Relations of the General Staff.
          Unshlikht I.S. - Head of Procurement of the Red Army.
          Smushkevich Y. V. - chief of the air force, deputy commissar of defense.
          Rozengolts A.P. - Head of Management. Air Force People's Commissariat of Defense.
          Stern G.M. - Head of the Air Defense Directorate of the People's Commissariat of Defense.
          Olshansky M.M. - Deputy. beg. Armored control RKKA ...... etc.
          http://profilib.com/chtenie/129766/konstantin-romanenko-esli-by-ne-stalinskie-re
          pressii-kak-vozhd-spas-sssr-93.php

          And for the full development and prevention of a cry for reprisals in the army, study
          http://elib.spbstu.ru/dl/327/Theme_10/Literature/Herasimov.htm
        2. +2
          10 August 2016 09: 58
          Golden eagle, you probably didn’t study history.
          First, Stalin did not confuse Lenin and Trotsky. Only for meeting Lenin did he not kill. But for Trotskyism, Bukharinism, etc., left and right deviations, yes it was.
          Secondly, in the 1937 year, Beria had nothing to do with the NKVD. If you want to blame anyone for the death of an ancestor, then this is Yezhov. Beria succeeded him in 1938, after which he began the rehabilitation of innocently convicted.
          I have no reason to blame your great-grandfather for anything. I did not read the case. But there is no reason to believe that Stalin read it and personally decided his fate.
          1. +1
            10 August 2016 11: 38
            I know the story from the recollections of my ancestors, each of whom did his life story before his death. My father left me not weak archives. It’s not like in Soviet textbooks and not like in the rewritten Communist Party before the election of history. I think that for fans of the Communist Party there will be a lot of unpleasant and unexpected.
            For those who are in the tank and with headphones from the player in their ears. Great-grandfather was arrested and convicted in 1938.
            As for the real story, I can raise from the family archives the real story of the October coup, which even now they hesitate to tell how it really was. And it was from this real story that the legs of the party purge of Lenin’s comrades-in-arms by Stalin grew up in the 30s. In my opinion, this cleaning was correct. However, the NKVD did not soar and, despite a sufficient number of skilled workers in the structure, still gave a damn.
            My maternal grandfather, who refused to write his memoirs, served in the NKVD both before the war and after it in St. Petersburg. So he told me that a plan was launched for them to bring the enemies of the people to justice. And there was a specific list with surnames coming down from above who needed to be attracted. But this list was much smaller than the plan that was established for the NKVD units. And so they cleaned out everyone who was somehow connected with those people whom they decided to get rid of for political reasons at the top. But this was not enough. Then they began to catch for a long tongue, those who could not cope with the plan at work and grumbled in the kitchen in a communal apartment.
            Once again about my great-grandfather. He was not a Trotskyist. He was subordinate to him through the service line. And he had no right not to obey orders and instructions, especially since they corresponded to the decisions of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks. However, when Trotsky was branded as an enemy of the people, all his subordinates went as accomplices, for they carried out his "criminal orders."
            1. +2
              10 August 2016 11: 50
              Golden eagle, in spite of certain errors in estimates, I see from you a pair of reference points that is deeper than knowledge is accepted. I also know the price of the story written by the ideologists of the CPSU. As well as the price of history, which is crushed to us today.
              I would not refuse to make a mutually interesting exchange of views.
        3. -1
          10 August 2016 11: 11
          Quote: Berkut24
          There were so many people under the distribution that the courts could not cope and then the very "Troikas" appeared.
          Great-grandfather was sentenced to 10 years. This meant elimination.

          Unfortunately, this is the law of revolutions - what they fought for and ran into.
    3. +9
      9 August 2016 22: 31
      Beria stopped the flywheel of repression, and did not start it.
      By the way, Beria was appointed People's Commissar of the NKVD 25 November 1938.
    4. +1
      10 August 2016 09: 56
      "... slammed ..." - somehow disrespectfully you write about your ancestor
      1. -1
        10 August 2016 11: 42
        And I don't know how it really was. After the war, they tried to find out what happened. Did not work out. The fact is that the guard did not bring more than half of the convicts to the camp. Everyone who was given 10 years "got sick on the way and died."
  11. +10
    9 August 2016 22: 00
    The costs of a strong personality are fictional stories about him during his life and even more so after. The position he occupies implies a certain degree of secrecy and secrecy, and certainly many of the decisions he made (real ones) are still classified as "secret."
    Some kind of doom of the strong and influential is that they cannot be lost, they can only win, there is no turning back, in this case, Beria lost the fight, the struggle for power, this must be recognized, as a result - get ....
    YES and when the people sounded - The Cult of Personality. Beria is a dictator and a murderer, well, only lazy to him will not overwrite his sins under this tune, often his own.
    I treat him as a figure, an element - part of that system.
    The powerful of this world cannot be crystalline, virgin honest by definition.
    I’m not a judge to him.
  12. +15
    9 August 2016 22: 02
    I am amazed by the current government why there are no streets or monuments to Beria and Stalin. For this they are trying to give us all sorts of Kadyrovs and Manerheims. At school, they are forced to read fantasies of the bastard Solzhenitsyn.
  13. +12
    9 August 2016 22: 03
    Wow, as liberal libelousness comes under various circumstances now. And do not read to them the essence of the article - the very fact of mentioning L.P. Beria infuriates them like devils.
  14. +10
    9 August 2016 22: 08
    The death of Stalin and the assassination of Beria became those turning points that led the USSR to death and collapse. If Stalin had lived another year and if Beria had remained in power for another five years, now we would have lived in a powerful country, the most powerful and influential.
    1. +2
      9 August 2016 22: 15
      Quote: erased
      The death of Stalin and the assassination of Beria became the turning points that led the USSR to death and collapse

      Stupidity. And the USSR collapsed and the power of the CPSU was overthrown, and socialism was destroyed, and specific people surrendered the USSR and the Soviet people to their external and internal enemies, starting with Gorbachev, who for 30 years pretended to be a "loyal communist", just as the enemies of the communists have pretended to be since the late 80s " ideological anti-communists ", monarchists, liberals, democrats," great philanthropists "," true believers. "
      1. 0
        10 August 2016 05: 18
        The USSR was not destroyed, it was destroyed as a result of the defeat in the Cold War. With all the ensuing and attendant ..
  15. +8
    9 August 2016 22: 10
    Good article. It was interesting enough to read. Thanks to the author.
  16. +6
    9 August 2016 22: 13
    Beria-PERSONALITY in the history of the country. and only white and black paint cannot be used. In my opinion, the proverb "according to the tsar and the boyars" reflects the time as best as possible, it cannot be considered separately from Comrade Stalin and that time!

    Remembered a verse

    Today is a holiday for the guys
    Pioneer exults
    today will come to visit them
    Lavrenty Palych Beria.
    1. +1
      9 August 2016 22: 55
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      Remembered a verse

      Today is a holiday for the guys
      Pioneer exults
      today will come to visit them
      Lavrenty Palych Beria.

      And I also remembered:

      "Fragrant prairie flower
      Lavrenty Palych Berry ... "
  17. +2
    9 August 2016 22: 15
    Quote: NKVD
    I am amazed by the current government why there are no streets or monuments to Beria and Stalin. For this they are trying to give us all sorts of Kadyrovs, Manerge, yams. At school they make you read fantasies of the bastard Solzhenitsyn.


    Beria is not an unambiguous person, so history made him.
    Maybe it’s better not to fumble the past, but to respect. Remember the story, draw conclusions, while living the present.

    Manerheimov, Yeltsins, Kadyrovs - in this I agree with you. Fools and roads are the symbols of Russia, the first of which in recent years are something more and more.
  18. +8
    9 August 2016 22: 16
    Quote: Berkut24
    So I did not understand the main idea. Beria fluffy bunny? My great-grandfather was slammed in 1938 because of a personal acquaintance with Lenin and Trotsky (rehabilitated in 1954) not by order of Beria?

    This is not a question for Beria, but for your grandfather. Nobody clapped my ancestors, and the same is true for my ancestors. I know one thing: if liberals scold someone and pour mud on them, then 90% was a normal person. For the curious, information for consideration. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aP8XN0qsdY&list=PLeZo5_CfQE-igL1m7NbGOHBNZb1Icb


    N_H
  19. +12
    9 August 2016 22: 21
    When Chernobyl exploded at the highest level, the question was being decided: who is in a position to lead the work to eliminate the accident? At one of the meetings at the highest level, the then President of the Academy of Sciences A.P. Aleksandrov threw the phrase: "Well ... Dig it out!" hinting at Beria's outstanding organizational talents and the absence of an organizer equal to him in efficiency (or, as they would say now, a crisis manager ...) in the USSR.
  20. 0
    9 August 2016 22: 42
    Among those who reached his level, there are no angels left.
    Then he is judged according to his actions, and according to his merits to the State he serves.
    Stalin and Beria destroyed the people, but the country was elevated. Are there such personalities among contemporaries?
    Khrushchev himself was an active participant in the repressions, but he exposed them on time, while making the country happy with corn and hogweed, from which we still cannot recover. Is this the ideal leader?
  21. -1
    9 August 2016 23: 07
    The selection of facts is really interesting, but the author, something very much carried away by "whitewashing" Beria. There are no saints in politics.
  22. +10
    9 August 2016 23: 22
    He was a great man, that's why mediocrity of all sorts of nonsense was heaped about him under the joyful squeals of "destalinizers". Stalin always put him where everything is falling apart, where it is urgent to save, repair, restore, and Beria never let him down. He raised the economy of the Georgian SSR, returned the repression to the legal field, defended the Caucasus during the War, and then urgently implemented the project of the atomic bomb. Blessed memory of Marshal Beria!
    1. +4
      10 August 2016 07: 00
      Quote: Comrade Glebov
      returned the repression to the legal field,

      What a pearl! Carve on granite, as a warning to posterity ...
    2. -5
      10 August 2016 11: 15
      Quote: Comrade Glebov
      He raised the economy of the Georgian SSR, returned the repressions to the legal field, defended the Caucasus during the war, and then urgently implemented the atomic bomb project. Blessed memory to Marshal Beria!

      To raise the economy of one republic at the expense of the whole Union? Is this not intentional sabotage?

      Returning repression to the legal field is truly a pearl.

      The implementation of the atomic bomb project without nuclear secrets of the West was not very realistic.

      Bright memory to him? Well, the light will be visible from the glare of hellfire and give him a frying pan hotter from the victims of his victims!
  23. +1
    9 August 2016 23: 25
    Perhaps Beria was killed during the arrest, and the whole subsequent circus was with a double. There are no docks.

    But ... here's a conspiracy thesis. Marshal Biryuzov, who allegedly personally shot Beria, died in the 64th in a plane crash ...
    1. +3
      10 August 2016 01: 20
      Actually, Batitsky shot him.
      1. +1
        10 August 2016 10: 18
        Quote: Sergej1972
        Actually, Batitsky shot him.

        He is simply the first number in the list of impostors who allegedly took the life of the "bloody oprichnik Stalin." The lack of a uniform version of the murder of L.P. Beria indicates that he was liquidated without any trial or investigation.
  24. +9
    9 August 2016 23: 41
    Myth of all those who came out of the environment was checked by SMERSH
    FACT My grandfather went out of the circle for a month. When he went out in civilian clothes, he showed his documents hidden in the sole of his shoes and he was enrolled in the unit without any checks.
  25. 0
    9 August 2016 23: 44
    Quote: hirurg
    WHERE WHERE?
    In C ,,,,,,,, ve Do not drink for it.
    Or do I not know?
    I will specially ask those who know.

    In the former sixth department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
  26. +8
    10 August 2016 00: 50
    well, what a dispute!? it’s been known for a long time: the winners write the story. Khrushchev and Khrushchev won and justified their predecessors. And who should they be? not yourself?
  27. +4
    10 August 2016 03: 30
    About Zhemchuzhnaya ... she conveyed the conversation between Stalin and Molotov when Stalin was visiting them, so calculating the leak was not difficult ... only for others it ended in the death penalty, and she was imprisoned.
  28. +7
    10 August 2016 03: 59
    The truth sooner or later will be born. The fact that L.P. Beria was an excellent organizer could not be hidden even by the Khrushchev archive cleanups. The fact that the nuclear project took place in such a short time, the merit of our scientists and Beria, as the curator of the project. So it's time to get to know the true heroes.
  29. +1
    10 August 2016 04: 15
    “The statement that Beria received the Order of Suvorov for such an action is also a lie. 7 March 1944, so the head of the NKVD was noted by the leadership for participating in making a turning point during the war. And the eviction of Chechens and Ingush began only february 23which cannot be related to the award. "

    Until now, February was earlier than March. The date 23.02 in many documents, the date of the award is either 2 weeks later, or is indicated inaccurately. "The devil is in the details" - these are the details that raise doubts in general. I do not rate the article +/-.
    1. +2
      10 August 2016 07: 06
      Quote: Koshak
      March 7, 1944, so the head of the NKVD was noted by the leadership for participating in making a turning point during the war. And the eviction of Chechens and Ingush began only on February 23,

      The writing of the presentation for the award and the specific Decree / Order on the award are divided 13 days. Something is not enough time for combining events in one line.
  30. +7
    10 August 2016 06: 43
    Everything is correct in the article - instead of the truth about this person, false myths and conjectures are introduced into the mass consciousness about L.P. Beria. I do not want to nostalgic for Beria, he left and it is not within our power to return him, or rather he left.
    But to know the whole truth about him, and not myths, is possible and necessary. A lot of honest books on this subject have already been published. This and Elena Prudnikova, Yuri Mukhin, Sergey Kremlev and other authors tried to recreate a genuine, not imaginary, image of Beria.
    In his so-called a criminal case, which, as the author of the article has already mentioned, consists of only copies of documents, which at that time was generally unthinkable even for ordinary criminals! And here we are talking about the second person in the state - the deputy chairman of the government of the USSR and, instead of the originals, some copies. How is this possible?
    Why was he killed? Apparently, by June 1953. Beria went to the finish line in the investigation of the assassination of Stalin, and Khrushchev could no longer wait, otherwise Beria would have exposed him. The rest of the partyocrats "rushed by the will of the waves." Beria interfered with everyone - both Khrushchev and the snickering party bureaucrats who sucked at the state feeding trough. He was a black sheep among these scum. It was beneficial for all of them to slander him in order to shield himself personally.
    In June 1953 Khrushchev organized the assassination of one of the most prominent statesmen not only of the USSR, but also of Russia since ancient times. A man who found satisfaction in the great achievements of his homeland, besides this, knew how to organize these achievements. Against the background of the current political klopovnik, in which the goal is only the benefits given by duty (personal planes for dogs, expensive watches, yachts, mansions, etc.), in which no one is capable of not only an emotional impulse, but also elementary creativity, L .P. Beria looks like a mighty canal against the backdrop of rural sewers.
    1. 0
      10 August 2016 20: 07
      Quote: demotivator
      L.P. Beria looks like a mighty canal in the background rural sewer.

      Your language = your enemy ... Reread and comprehend: what you wrote (wrote) into your "sewer". Oh, sometimes it's a shame for compatriots! Many are for the "smart" "channel"! Forgive them, Lord, for they do not know what they are doing! (S).
  31. +1
    10 August 2016 06: 51
    Another myth about myths. We will always have two stories. Because there are two heads on the coat of arms.
  32. -2
    10 August 2016 08: 36
    People's Commissars of the NKVD:

    -Rykov A. -shot
    -Beloborodov A.-shot
    -Tolmachev V.-shot
    - Berry G.-shot
    -Ezhov N.-shot
    -Beria L.-shot

    The author is outraged in vain - Beria just went through an absolutely ordinary and regular way Soviet Commissar.

    Everything, as in humans.
    1. +7
      10 August 2016 08: 58
      With this logic, it can be proved that cucumbers, bread and ordinary water are poisons, because all the people who ate them died.
    2. -4
      10 August 2016 11: 23
      Quote: Aleksander
      People's Commissars of the NKVD:

      -Rykov A. -shot
      -Beloborodov A.-shot
      -Tolmachev V.-shot
      - Berry G.-shot
      -Ezhov N.-shot
      -Beria L.-shot

      The author is in vain indignant, Beria just went through the absolutely ordinary and regular path of the Soviet People's Commissar.

      Bull's-eye. Indeed it is. “What they are fighting for, they will push for that” - this rule works.
  33. +6
    10 August 2016 09: 46
    A vivid confirmation of the fact that some still benefit from myths and lies about Beria is the fact that from his 39-volume criminal case, which is in the archives of the GVP periodically disappear, some documents, or even whole volumes, disappear without a trace. Somehow there was information that as many as 16 (!) Volumes had disappeared from there, the third part. And then, supposedly, all the UD was completely lost. True, then the GWP of the Russian Federation, in order to reassure the public, convened a press conference at which its representatives stated that all things were in place. It was a very strange press conference. First, reporters were warned in advance that they should not ask overly sensitive questions. Secondly, no one has given the volume from the Beria case. They only said: here they are, look.
    Tom lay in piles on the table. Not in chronological order, but anyhow. Go figure it out how many there are - 39 or only 23. At the same time, military prosecutors admitted that some documents were found to be missing during an archive check. In connection with this, a criminal case was initiated and is being investigated. How it ended is still unknown to anyone. By the way, the journalists asked to show the act of at least one such check - they did not. But there was something to see, as it turns out, from the archives, incl. and GWP, cases and documents disappear in bundles! There are no 294 volumes of various criminal cases, 4 personal files and 2 books in the GVP archive.
    Among them - 16 volumes of the case of Beria. Three volumes of supervisory proceedings. Two volumes from the case of his wife - Nina Teymurazovny. The case of his son - Sergei Beria-Gegechkori, and 3 personal officer affairs of a formidable man in a pince-nez.
    In full, the affairs of the Beria assistants (also shot) Shariy and Melnikov disappeared; the head of his guard Sarkisov; major KGB officers Milshtein, Amayak Kobulov, Tsanava. There is also no UD Sudoplatova, Eitingon, Serebryansky. Is all this strange? And who benefits from this? Those who persistently want us to continue to live myths and fairy tales, and could not get to the bottom of the truth?
    1. +5
      10 August 2016 09: 57
      This is beneficial, for example, to such myth-makers Aleksander (2), here, but in reality, to all Svanidzi, Brewers, Melechins and other corned beef.
  34. +1
    10 August 2016 09: 47
    Now everything is so perverted that it’s hard to know where the truth is and where the myth is.
  35. +5
    10 August 2016 10: 16
    Quote: Sergej1972
    Actually, Batitsky shot him.

    This is according to the official version. Although, as noted above, in the "Beria case" there are no original documents at all, only copies! And they can be easily faked or made up retroactively. There are not even the obligatory full-face and profile photographs of him, fingerprints. And in the picture of Beria's "arrest" there are also many strange things. But there are memories of the participants in the execution: the commander of the Moscow Military District Moskalenko, the chief of the Air Force headquarters Batitsky. Moskalenko and Batitsky may have shot Beria. But not in the bunker after the verdict of the court, but at the time of the storming of the mansion in which Lavrenty Pavlovich lived on Malaya Nikitskaya, then it was Kachalova Street, June 26, 1953, which they led. Those. Beria, being the deputy head of the USSR, in fact the second person in the state, was simply banally killed in his house. And then there was a fake criminal case, a fake trial and so on. The son of LP Beria, Sergo, claims that having received a message from one of his friends about what was happening near their house, he, together with Boris Vannikov, Beria's deputy in the Special Committee of the atomic project, rushed to the mansion. Here is what Sergo writes: “The wall from the side of my father’s room was crushed with bullets of heavy machine guns, the windows were broken, the doors were knocked out. While I was considering all this, one of the guards ran up to me. “Sergo! - he said. “They just brought someone out of the room on a stretcher covered with a tarp.” There are also recollections of the former chief state doctor of the USSR, Peter Burgasov, who in the 50s was engaged in the protection of the population and troops from biological weapons. Burgasov worked in the same building as Vannikov. Here is an excerpt from his recollections: “I go to Vannikov, we were sitting in the next room, through the wall. He leaned on the table, his head bowed. I ask: “Boris Lvovich, what happened?” He looked up: “Doctor, a tragedy has occurred. I just returned from the mansion where Beria lived. When Sergo and I arrived there, two cars with machine gunners stood in the courtyard. In the office of Lavrenty Pavlovich all the windows were broken. ”
    In the photo - the same mansion in which L.P. Beria lived.
  36. +1
    10 August 2016 11: 04
    Rehabilitating Beria, you can’t throw dirt on the rest. This is all of us, our history, our path.
  37. +1
    10 August 2016 12: 20
    Any anti-Soviet is Russophobe. All fascists are Russophobes. So you yourself see who is here minus.
  38. 0
    10 August 2016 12: 31
    this is even a stick overstepped ...
    1. 0
      10 August 2016 16: 16
      Quote: potapych
      this is even a stick overstepped ...
      Those who poured a bucket of shit overtook a man who had done so much for his country. Moreover, those who robbed and continue to rob the legacy of those years were poured.
  39. +3
    10 August 2016 13: 02
    Summarizing the article ... We judge the head of the actions ... 1) Raised the economy of Transcaucasia? 2) Conducted rehabilitation, reduced repression? 3) Unlike Zhukov and Tymoshenko, did Beria’s subordinates border guards not drape? 4) Did the troops close the Caucasus from the Germans at a critical moment? 5) Plants evacuated and put into operation? 6) The merit of the atomic project and rockets with Korolev? 7) Post-war restoration of the destroyed economy of Russia is his merit? The current tandem of 16 years steers, being in much better economic and political conditions. Result? 50 billionaires?
  40. +1
    10 August 2016 14: 07
    Another fact. Beria. 1st order after appointment to the post of head of the NKVD

    - http://poltora-bobra.livejournal.com/1040997.html











    PS: The originals of the scans in the link above.
  41. 0
    10 August 2016 16: 48
    One of the best leaders of the USSR was meanly killed. If in the USSR at least a few people were equal to Beria in terms of intellect, devotion to the state and people, the country would develop at such a rate that the whole world would be amazed with open mouths.
    The article forgot to mention the crucial role of Beria in the process of evacuating industry from western regions to the east.
  42. +1
    10 August 2016 18: 40
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Quote: The Bloodthirster
    it’s easier for you from lying to your grandfathers? I’m disgusted. You don’t know.

    It’s not for you to judge my ancestors, they lay down some on Narofominsky, some near Kursk, some in Belarus. But for me, they are not identical with Beria.
    Quote: The Bloodthirster
    only the blind man does not see that the mass of articles, comments in which this or that way underestimates the role of the Union in World War II, Russia now in the matter of resting all bearded and ukrovermaht, links of one chain working against us, do you not understand this?

    You write nonsense, where in criticizing Beria, belittling the role of my country in the Second World War?
  43. Maz
    +4
    10 August 2016 18: 55
    Tell this to my great-grandfather and his four brothers - grandfather, grandmother. Sinister. He died as he deserved. Like a snake in a jar with the same reptiles.
    1. +1
      10 August 2016 18: 59
      Quote: Maz
      Tell this to my great-grandfather and his four brothers - grandfather, grandmother.

      And tell us, my dear, about your great-grandfather and his four brothers Yes
      1. Maz
        +2
        10 August 2016 19: 50
        Let's talk about my grandfather - he died during the assault on Koenigsberg, closing the regiment commander by himself when the mine broke in the CP. Great-grandfathers were the first in the village to build a stone two-story house. All to Siberia. The house is still standing. In it, the celery sits. Mom did not receive help from the state, because at any moment they could remember that my grandfather was captured in the occupied territory of Zaporizhzhya region. Still tell? grandmother raised five children alone, the sixth died. they wanted to take away mother from the grandmother. Mother hid in the forest from the GPU coachman for three days. They were looking for a child in the whole village. They found violence. Mom was four years old. And why should I love him? I have it really. Sooner revive the one who built the system. Don't rot.
        1. +2
          10 August 2016 20: 11
          And what, are the Communists to blame for the fact that their external and internal enemies launched a war against the Soviet people?
          Great-grandfathers from the same fist that ripped open the bellies of food workers, destroyed grain and cattle, killed workers of the Soviet government?
          You, enemies of the Communists, all think that you owe nothing to "this country" and "this people", why do you think that in the USSR everything owed you and your relatives?
          Why does your "great philanthropy" not apply to the millions of victims of the post-Soviet period, which amounted to supermortality after 1991?
  44. +1
    10 August 2016 20: 53
    A rogue and a thief, a spy and a traitor could not be the right hand of I.V. Stalin. It’s good that the truth is revealed. Each had its own excesses, but it was definitely not worth demonizing.
  45. +4
    10 August 2016 21: 31
    There was an era, performers were needed. L.P. Beria is one of such performers, sons of the era. As it is now fashionable to call a crisis manager. But he did the job and got the result. After the Second World War, the country was restored as soon as possible, someone worked conscientiously with self-sacrifice, someone for fear, but they survived and won. The country has become even stronger after such a devastating war, such human and economic losses! I also have to ask for the past, but I'm not going to judge a specific person, because I do not see his specific guilt in this. Everyone found 80-90gg, whom to judge? Gorbachev, Yeltsin? It seems to me that the burden was not on them, L.P. Beria mastered his burden, and his contribution to the development of the USSR is enormous. My personal opinion: what have you done for your family, country and remained in harmony with your conscience. Put yourself on a higher step in society and lose the situation 80-90gg, who did you see yourself? Berezovsky, Abramovich, Nemtsov or Beria L.P.?
  46. +4
    10 August 2016 21: 42
    I was always confused by one circumstance of Beria’s biography - how did it happen that a rapist of young girls and women, an enemy of the people and a traitor, was able to supervise the nuclear project and not just could - but led him to complete success, just giving life to the whole country? Something does not fit this fact with the characteristic of Lawrence in the media.
    Everything turned out to be simple - Khrushchev, would not be Khokhl if it had not betrayed.
  47. 0
    11 August 2016 19: 46
    Quote: Vladimirets
    You write nonsense, where in criticizing Beria, belittling the role of my country in the Second World War?

    and that’s the point: if you put a frog in boiling water, it jumps out, and if you slowly bring it to a boil it boils and everything is cooked with us, little by little, there’s a Mannerheim board, here is the Yeltsin Museum, here they’ll lie about Zhukov, how he’s He stole cars, Then Gagarin was a womanizer, that the Red Army did not defeat the fascists, but General Moroz, that we couldn’t throw Germans with caps, so Stalin filled them with our corpses, that Soviet soldiers raped all Germans without exception, and therefore they live in East Germany exclusively German speaking other Russians. Everything is at the mill of lies, everything at what would be made of us UKROV, who have no memory, and they have sold their homeland, and now they also want to lay it.
  48. +3
    11 August 2016 20: 59
    In the history of the organs of the USSR, there are three significant surnames that are usually associated with repression: Yagoda, Yezhov
    and Beria. At the same time, it appears that all three were appointed individually by Stalin. But this is not so. Yagoda became the head of the NKVD in July 1934, "healing" (poisoning) his chief Menzhinsky. In his appointment was a simple hardware logic - the deputy sat in the place of the chief. But Genrikh Grigorievich Yagoda himself (Enoch Gershonovich Yehuda) was not a man of Stalin. And a few months after he headed the organs, Kirov was killed. The death of Stalin’s closest comrade-in-arms was organized by Leningrad security officers with the direct support of Yagoda. Even at the process after which he was shot, Yagoda did not give up his guilt: he said that although he did not give an order to kill Kirov, he hid the information that they should kill him: “Not only is it wrong that I am the organizer, but it’s wrong and the fact that I am an accomplice in the killing of Kirov. I committed a grave official crime - yes. I am responsible for him equally, but I am not an accomplice ”(Judicial report on the case of the anti-Soviet“ right-Trotskyist bloc. ”- M .: YuI NKYu, 1938. P. 375). That is, agreeing with his passive guilt, he denied active guilt. Realizing that he would be the next victim after Kirov, Stalin began the struggle. The result was the arrest and execution of Yagoda and the appointment of Nikolai Ivanovich Ezhov to his post. This was really the sole choice of the leader. And his mistake is with Yezhov, as they say, “the roof went off.” It decomposed morally, and very quickly. Yezhov drank in black, made novels to the right and left. For example, with a friend of his wife. And then with her husband. The head of the NKVD turned out to be homosexual. He spun the flywheel of repression, taking
    there are a lot of innocent people in it. That is why the repression was "Yezhov." To understand the situation in which Stalin was, it must be remembered that the NKVD revealed several real conspiracies (Tukhachevsky, the right-Trotskyist, etc.). And after that, the head of the NKVD comes to you and says that Tupolev is an English spy. What reasons do you have to believe Tupolev and not believe Yezhov? No at first. But when there are too many such Tupolevs, Stalin begins to deal with Yezhov, who is completely out of control. After which Yezhov was arrested and shot. The arrival in Beria’s organs marked the end of repressions, the review of tens of thousands of cases and the release of many innocent people. Just one example: the famous ELEPHANT (Solovetsky Special Purpose Camp), turned into a prison in 1936, was closed in 1939, that is, after the arrival of Beria to the organs. And Beria was shot after the death of Stalin - those who poisoned Joseph Vissarionovich - Khrushchev and his accomplices.
  49. 0
    11 August 2016 20: 59
    There are not so many people reading such articles in Russia (and indeed on the territory of the USSR). Therefore, if the majority of the population knows something about Beria, it is the negative spread by Khrushchev and K. About the fact that Lavrenty Pavlovich was not quite a "devil of hell", I read back in the early 90s. The fact that it was this person who oversaw the creation of nuclear weapons in the USSR - and successfully - no one doubts. Thank him for that !!!
  50. ABC
    -1
    11 August 2016 21: 07
    Quote: avt
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Myth.
    Beria was very fond of beautiful women, incline them to cohabitation, regardless of marital status and social status.

    I forgot to add - I pointed my finger at those I liked without leaving the car and they were immediately shoved into the second car and taken to rape. But for some reason, when the type was judged, there were no witnesses, since there were so many that ... the judges were horrified and how to document did not, they say that was all. Why am I? Well, he loved women, well, he probably inclined someone. Even more - he had such a "flying detachment" of actresses, who, in particular, were let down under the USA attaché (Fedorov), under Marshal Tito (Okunevskaya), well, it's a matter of everyday life, True, then he caulked them into the camp, but for what reason? Did they know a lot and dismissed the language? Again, the heads were spinning from the height at which they were placed, and they decided that they themselves somehow got there? Again, guesswork, but for some reason the bloody satrap did not erase them in the camps to dust. request All returned to their former lives.

    I don’t remember where, but I read the version that Lavrenty Pavlovich actually met with many women, but in reality it was not love meetings, but meetings with agents
  51. Erg
    0
    11 August 2016 22: 50
    Men's surnames decline. "... about Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria. The woman's line would remain "about Beria."
  52. 0
    12 August 2016 02: 50
    Quote: Nagan
    Myth: the valiant Marshal Zhukov and General Moskalenko heroically arrested the fanatic pervert Beria, who intended to lime the leadership of the Communist Party and the Soviet State. The court paid Beria and his minions their merits.

    Fact: two bugs, Zhukov with Khrushchev, made a military coup. Beria was killed during the coup, the subsequent trial - staging, the documents of the criminal case - juggling.
  53. -1
    12 August 2016 03: 36
    what are you talking about in the past, look at how politicians are now digging each other, while with hints one suggests that teachers become businessmen, probably on children? Today the article came out: who is behind Putin? They can’t speak to your face, they do everything on the sly
    after the war there was no execution, the maximum term was up to 10 years and you are talking about repressions, Khrushchev led until the execution, why are they silent about this?
  54. Mwg
    -1
    12 August 2016 04: 07
    Denigration of Beria L.P. was part of the plan of “thaw bearers” to denigrate J.V. Stalin and his ideas and undertakings. In addition, L.P. Beria was an open follower of the dying ideas of I.V. Stalin about the separation of the party and power, which was no good for those striving for power and their supporters. As a result, they used the old and proven “democratic” method - they blamed Stalin-Beria for all the sins they themselves committed and continued to blame them while continuing to sin. This is the "thaw"....
  55. +1
    12 August 2016 06: 26
    There are orders from Zhukov, who proposed shooting all deserters indiscriminately.

    The orders do not “suggest” anything. That’s why they are orders.
  56. 0
    12 August 2016 09: 30
    Of course, it is worth reconsidering the role of L.P. at the official level. in the history of the country. Does anyone know what the committee (or commission) to prevent falsification of the country's history, created several years ago, does? Because crazy books and films about the Second World War are still on television.
  57. -1
    12 August 2016 13: 57
    Terrible! How long do we have to wait for the truth! It’s terrible that bringing the truth to public view does not mean making it building material in building a state! This habitual manner (if not tradition) willingly or unwillingly allows many scoundrels to appear, indiscriminately criticizing the current government and destroying the minds of even more people. Will the time come (again in 50-70 years) and then they will again begin to cleanse the truth from dirt?
  58. +1
    12 August 2016 15: 38
    When I studied with major physicists. many of them went through the war. But even when Beria’s name was carefully erased from history, his portrait hung in Sarov. And my teachers carried respect for this man and passed it on to us.
  59. kig
    0
    12 August 2016 20: 04
    I'm afraid Mr. Safronov has created another myth. Everything he wrote is not verified. There is in the archives... Did he personally see this? Where are the links to the documents?
  60. +1
    13 August 2016 09: 41
    Quote: Warrior2015
    Bring at least one from a truly noble family - there is not a single one in the announced list

    Is Count Ignatiev not noble enough for you?

    I'm even afraid to imagine what kind of person you are then. feel
  61. 0
    13 August 2016 10: 15
    Quote: Seal
    Our battleships and cruisers were among the best. Novik-class destroyers are the best in the world. Submarines are among the best.

    About cruisers. Can you compare the “Russian” cruisers “Askold” (Germany), “Varyag” (USA), “Bogatyr” (Germany again), “Novik” (Germany again) with their truly Russian counterparts?

    For example, Askold, Varyag and Diana/Pallada/Aurora. Speed ​​is an important value for a cruiser; for the Russians it was 19-19,5 knots, for the “Russians” 24-25 knots. The armor is of the same class, but the “Russians” are up to one and a half times superior in thickness. The “Russians” have one and a half times more weapons than the Russians. More questions?

    Novik-class destroyers were made with German turbines, then with English ones, then with Russian ones based on the English model.
    The first “novik” was debugged in Germany, so it had a good speed - up to 36-37 knots. Made in Russia, even on German turbines of the same type, the serial “noviki” produced only 30 to 34 under the same conditions. At the same time, developed countries had more advanced destroyers earlier: in 1911, 2 years before the Novik, the Germans made destroyers for Argentina that were significantly superior to the Novik in seaworthiness and cruising range, as well as in torpedo armament. In artillery and speed they were on par with their later Russian counterparts.

    The British, the Americans, even the Italians and Japanese - all beat the Russians in this area.
  62. 0
    13 August 2016 10: 23
    Quote: Seal
    Our battleships and cruisers were among the best. Novik-class destroyers are the best in the world. Submarines are among the best.

    I’ve already written about cruisers and destroyers.

    Now - about submarines. I am waiting for a list of victories of Russian submariners in WWI from you. Ass?

    Here the British in the Baltic, in Russian waters, on their 3-4 submarines during WWII and with their crews, sank an armored cruiser, an armored cruiser and several others. dozens of transports. This is comparable to the achievements of the entire Baltic Fleet over the same time.

    There were much more Russian submarines there, but what was the point? Less than zero! A couple of self-floodings - that’s all the “successes”.

    As for the Russian "battleships" - this is a joke. They are not only the best in the world, they are the worst in the world among their peers in terms of commissioning date. Therefore, NEVER “sevs” have been used as =battleships= in their entire history, and “imps” have had no success either.

    But the “sevs” and “imps” each (!) cost one and a half times more than the “Queen Elizabeth”, which was significantly superior to them in all characteristics.
    Achievement laughing
  63. 0
    13 August 2016 11: 17
    Quote: Seal
    Well, yes, we overslept the automobile revolution. But against the background of our shipbuilding and aircraft manufacturing, this was hardly critical.

    That’s why Russia bought many more cars abroad than it produced itself. From their complete uselessness, obviously. Russia did not produce tractors at all - apparently, it did not intend to create large-scale agricultural production.

    We have dealt with aircraft manufacturing and shipbuilding above. There is only a shame for Russia, and she is her pride.

    Isn’t it funny for you to suggest Russia’s achievements in oil production and transportation as a sign of its advanced development?

    Quote: Seal
    There was no “outright” loss. Only the revolution of 1905 prevented us from completely defeating the Japanese.

    Sure sure. Can you name AT LEAST ONE victory of the Russian army in the REV? Or the Russian fleet? The so-called battle of destroyers near the Liaoteshan Peninsula is not proposed. Or at least read more about this “victory” so that you have something to talk about.

    And there are many Japanese victories. The whole history of the REV consists of them, if anyone hasn’t noticed. You can try to pass something off as a draw - but this is in the “owl squeaks, globe cracks” mode. Try it, it's funny wink

    And the vast majority of them occurred BEFORE the start of revolutionary events in Russia. And no revolutionary events could have ANY influence on ALL the rest.
  64. 0
    14 August 2016 19: 32
    Seal

    * sighing heavily * as always, crystal bakers don’t know and don’t want to know about anything outside of Russia and outside of connection with it. That is why they constantly fall into a puddle, trying to pass off the first/best in Russia as the first/best in the world.

    Yes, in the Republic of Ingushetia they knew how to build submarines, which are usually wink they themselves did not drown and could still swim somewhere. And in the rest of the world they were made much more and much better. Both English and German submariners achieved amazing successes in WWII, but what did the Russians achieve?

    I have already asked you a question that you chose not to notice: what were the REAL successes of Russian submarines and submariners in WWII? You didn’t answer because there were no successes. Here are FAILURES and losses, incl. from self-flooding and mismanagement - there were.

    Yes, the "Crab" was the world's first underwater mine, and what's the point? He remained the ONLY one in the entire history of RI. And the Germans SERIALLY made their much more successful underwater mines of several UC series, incl. ocean class, capable of leaving Germany for combat operations to the Atlantic coast of the United States. Russia never dreamed of this; Russian “battleships”, when traveling around Europe in peacetime, risked sinking, as shown by the passage of the Seva from the Baltic to the World Cup in 1929.

    I am still waiting for your answers on comparing the performance characteristics of Russian cruisers and their analogues by class and time of creation, incl. "Russian" foreign built. "Askold" and "Pallada", for example.
  65. 0
    14 August 2016 21: 31
    Seal, the forum engine often places my answers not in the message to which the answer was sent, but at the end of the list. Well, wherever it hit, it got there.

    So, you started with the statement that the RNEV was not so completely lost, and Russia was not so backward at that time.

    However, for the umpteenth time you were unable to answer my request for a list of Russian victories in the REV - again you “didn’t notice”, right? wink - and regarding the facts and performance characteristics I cited, they didn’t even try to dispute anything, but instead they made a wagging stern: now you propose to forget about the REV and everything that happened before, and consider only the time of WWII.

    OK wink , however, even during the WWII period, you just as stubbornly “don’t notice” my question about the list of victories of Russian submariners, you continue to praise the “noviki”, stubbornly “not noticing” the educational program I had previously given on their origin and characteristics, the discussion of the performance characteristics of Russian “battleships” You also stubbornly “don’t notice.”

    And how can I talk to you, so selectively sighted? lol
  66. 0
    14 August 2016 21: 32
    Quote: Seal
    At the time of laying, these ships were considered the best in their class

    Thanks, have fun laughing Were they considered WHO and for what reasons?

    Your usual juggling: you compare ships being laid down with those ALREADY OPERATING.
    "Seva" was laid down in 1909. Yes, against the backdrop of the then already existing battleships, they - or rather, their PROJECTS wink - didn't look so bad.

    But!
    They were built in 5,5 years - this is almost a world record, broken only by the Russian "battleship" "Emperor Alexander 3rd", which took 6 years to build, and by the Russians, who were never commissioned, and did not even have a chance to do so, "Izmails" .

    During this time, DEVELOPED countries produced several generations of dreadnoughts, each more powerful than the other, and at the time the Sev and Imps were put into operation, they were already the WORST in the world among their peers. Even the Japanese, by the time the “Empresses” and “Emperor” were commissioned, had built the “Fuso”, capable of single-handedly destroying at least all the Russian “battleships”, surpassing them significantly in all respects. And it’s simply ridiculous to compare with the Germans, British and Americans at that time.
  67. 0
    1 October 2016 22: 38
    Heimdall47,
    The Russian land is not depleted of traitors and idiots, OH for all of us.
  68. 0
    6 October 2016 11: 19
    Bloodsucker,
    it all started with the arrest of VLASIKA, there is a feeling that it was decided to pit and destroy everyone who was loyal to STALIN. and it worked out for them