Russian experts on the new Ukrainian air-launched anti-tank complex

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Luch Design Bureau (Ukraine) published a video with tests of the “new Barrier-V” anti-tank missile system for Mi-24 helicopters, ”which includes the latest rocket, millimeter 130 caliber, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

Russian experts on the new Ukrainian air-launched anti-tank complex


According to the developers, the rocket "is capable of penetrating armor at a distance of seven kilometers tank 800 millimeters thick. ”

Russian experts, however, expressed doubt both in its effectiveness and in the fact that the new ammunition is very different from Soviet developments.

“Most likely, this rocket is a modified Soviet rocket of the Sturm complex, operating at the same frequencies and following the same pattern,” said military expert Dmitry Drozdenko.

He believes that "Ukraine presented this project as a new development in the hope of selling at least a few copies."

“The main reason why the Barrier will not be in demand in foreign markets is that the new rocket cannot counter the active defense of modern tanks, in particular, complexes similar to the Russian Arena, which simply will not allow the Barrier to fly to the car, ”said the expert.



Reserve Colonel Mikhail Khodarenok: “Recently, loud claims have often been made in Ukraine that their defense industry has created a fundamentally new weapon, but in the end it turns out that this is nothing more than an attempt to pass the desirable for reality. ”
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  1. +27
    22 July 2016 13: 07
    "Russian experts, however, expressed doubts about its effectiveness and that the new ammunition is very different from Soviet designs."

    The main significant difference between the new Ukrainian developments is the flag color. But judging by the photo, then this innovation is not here ...
    1. +5
      22 July 2016 13: 09
      testing of the "new Barrier-V anti-tank missile system for Mi-24 helicopters"
      - And in the future, the Ukrainian "carrier rocket" MI-24, our weapons will allow to rise in the air to shoot?
      1. +12
        22 July 2016 13: 12
        Recently, loud statements have often been made in Ukraine that their defense industry has created a fundamentally new weapon, but in the end it turns out that this is nothing more than an attempt to pass out wishful thinking. ”


        Well, they really want a breakthrough and a "breakthrough" somewhere, but a born crawl cannot fly.
        1. +1
          22 July 2016 16: 03
          Finely somehow. And where are Ukrainian ballistic missiles capable of disguising for the sake of attacking Moscow from Kamchatka?
      2. +5
        22 July 2016 13: 23
        Whoever buys from them, but for themselves they won’t, doesn’t fit into the NATO standard, they are obliged to buy them for loans. And it’s not profitable to provide a dozen helicopters.
        1. +1
          22 July 2016 22: 42
          After the scandal with the supply of tanks to Indonesia and the repair of Indian AN-32s, I think that people in their right mind will "bypass" Ukraine in three "quarters".
      3. +1
        22 July 2016 15: 16
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        testing of the "new Barrier-V anti-tank missile system for Mi-24 helicopters"
        - And in the future, the Ukrainian "carrier rocket" MI-24, our weapons will allow to rise in the air to shoot?

        Yes, what kind of weapon is there ... Lack of spare parts will not allow you to rise. Donors will end and that's all ... They arrived, or rather flew.
      4. +2
        22 July 2016 19: 19
        - And in the future, the Ukrainian "carrier rocket" MI-24, our weapons will allow to rise in the air to shoot?


        Yes, the trick is that excellent carrier(and always was), but there is nothing to wear. Like our Mi-28 and Ka-52. Well, we don’t have air-based ATGMs with a range of 10-12 km. And without this, in the conditions of modern air defense of the ground forces, only scare cows. Maybe even ours itch, and Ukraine is definitely not up to the development of the whole complex.
        Jews overpowered 11 km.
        1. +1
          22 July 2016 21: 54
          Quote: dauria
          Well, we don’t have ATGMs

          The whirlwind.
        2. 0
          25 July 2016 22: 06
          Quote: dauria
          Jews overpowered 11 km.

          Come on! It’s possible to launch it and with 25 target designation who will carry out. Or if without a command center, then who will recognize the target and how?
    2. +8
      22 July 2016 13: 14
      They haven’t yet announced the invention of gunpowder? They will get some money ...
    3. +11
      22 July 2016 13: 14
      Quote: Stock Officer
      "Russian experts, however, expressed doubts about its effectiveness and that the new ammunition is very different from Soviet designs."

      The main significant difference between the new Ukrainian developments is the flag color. But judging by the photo, then this innovation is not here ...

      Everything is correct. Almost every week stuffing with a "superweapon" that now, just like that and right away, but after the time expires, the cart was stolen long ago. So it is clearly not worth taking such talk seriously. This is another rattling with those that have not been for a long time.
      1. +5
        22 July 2016 15: 18
        Quote: seti
        This is another rattling of what has long been gone.

        In other words, my ... ringing. feel Learn from the Chinese, why sho? Crap, repaint, call it your own way, and please, "innovation".
    4. +6
      22 July 2016 13: 30
      Quote: Stock Officer
      "Russian experts, however, expressed doubts about its effectiveness and that the new ammunition is very different from Soviet designs."

      The main significant difference between the new Ukrainian developments is the flag color. But judging by the photo, then this innovation is not here ...

      A bullet doesn't work out of shit ..... whatever one may say. Svidomo's brain gurgles in the skull from overstrain. All milestones in history have staked out for themselves. The "development" of weapons went into the course))))
    5. +1
      22 July 2016 18: 23
      "that the new missile will not be able to oppose anything to the active protection of modern tanks, in particular, complexes similar to the Russian" Arena ", which simply will not allow the" Barrier "to reach the car", "
      How many arenas are in service?
    6. 0
      23 July 2016 15: 42
      Well, we are waiting for another shushpanzer from ukroboronoproma)))
  2. +8
    22 July 2016 13: 08
    They (Ukrainians) are actively getting rid of the "bad" Soviet past. And what do they fly on the Mi-24? We need to develop our own rotorcraft.
    1. +9
      22 July 2016 13: 10
      Repaint Mi-24 and call Khokhlomakh-25 ...
      1. +5
        22 July 2016 13: 15
        Not. Rather "Banderlog-1"
        1. +8
          22 July 2016 14: 09
          Quote: dsm100
          Not. Rather "Banderlog-1"

          all to you jokes ... Meet !!!! FAMOUS HYDRO-WING !!!! Leo Namber 1. The brainchild of a dumb brain ... Bell horseradish understand what year with the engine from mi2 ...
          1. +10
            22 July 2016 14: 37
            Quote: RBLip
            bell horseradish understand what year
            I saw this in the American TV series "Damn Service at the MES Hospital". Well, the one about the Korean War.
            1. +4
              22 July 2016 14: 41
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              I saw this in the American TV series "Damn Service at the MES Hospital". Well, the one about the Korean War.

              Well ... the development is fresh, 1964 ...
    2. +2
      22 July 2016 13: 12
      Quote: dsm100
      . And what are they flying on the Mi-24? It is necessary to develop your own rotorcraft.

      They invented the first helicopter in the world! And MI 24, also a great development of Ukrainian scientists. Glory to Ukraine fellow
      1. +7
        22 July 2016 16: 38
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Glory to Ukraine.


        Heroam sala ..
    3. +1
      22 July 2016 18: 08
      They will soon be demonstrating the latest world-class helicopter: "Cossack" or "Peremoga".
  3. +13
    22 July 2016 13: 09
    Plagiarism, especially frankly bad copies of the already obsolete weapons of the former USSR - this is all to which Ukroboronprom was "developing" ...
    Outside the context of our relations today, a purely external view, without jerking, is wildly sorry to see how a powerful scientific and technical school is degrading request
  4. +19
    22 July 2016 13: 11
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/700/ezdt448.png

    Why is there any surprise that "Shturm" was renamed into "Barrier", passing off what was done long ago as a great "change" of ukrooboronniki, if they even slammed the first lines of their anthem from the Poles:
    Polish: - "Polish has not yet perished" ...
    Ukrainian: - "She has not died in Ukraine" ...
  5. +2
    22 July 2016 13: 13
    The main thing is not to forget, before launching the rocket, grease with lard and pronounce the spell "Salo Dill" soldier
  6. +1
    22 July 2016 13: 18
    They can be understood, you need to do something. You want to eat something.
    1. +1
      22 July 2016 13: 45
      The main thing is that the loot should be unfastened from the budget, and everything else - little things in life! And the main thing is not to do, but to shout loudly about what has been done! Then they will give more money!
    2. +1
      22 July 2016 18: 13
      They can be understood, something needs to be done. ,,
      I can give advice, jump.
  7. +3
    22 July 2016 13: 20
    Another verbal convulsions of the Ukrainian defense industry, which has already turned into handicraft workshops such as Horn and Hoof.
  8. +2
    22 July 2016 13: 21
    Yes, what can they do themselves. All my life at the expense of others live, freeloaders.
  9. +5
    22 July 2016 13: 25
    I liked: The only thing that Ukraine is bringing today is an unpleasant impression. Promises and coffins, for this jumped?
  10. +2
    22 July 2016 13: 46
    To pick up a couple of such "wunderwafels" and shoot at the "Arena". To no avail. Moreover, with the obligatory presence of the top military leadership of the Outskirts, so that according to the result they do not shout that "the Muscovites' sworn ATGMs have changed."
    Although, it seems to me that without such a circus no one will buy these prodigies.
  11. +2
    22 July 2016 13: 46
    The EU and the US, who greatly value their contribution to protecting the stability of the region, will give them Gvintokrilov ... the main thing is to jump and believe ...
  12. +1
    22 July 2016 13: 49
    And why hang this product in Ukraine left?
    1. +4
      22 July 2016 14: 01
      Let not a lot, but left. This junk isn’t particularly embarrassing for us, but in the case of the next bulk in Donetsk and Lugansk, the militia’s equipment can be burned, because the old T-64s are basically there. Launch range - 7 km. I have doubts that the militia at such a distance will be able to counterpropagate something intelligible through air defense.
      1. +2
        22 July 2016 16: 46
        Quote: Berkut24
        Launch range - 7 km. I have doubts that the militia at such a distance will be able to counterpropagate something intelligible through air defense.


        The head of the LPR promised the other day to introduce his own aviation to the public, and it is best to burn the APU tanks from above, fact. And then 7 km. - not a quantity at all.
        1. +1
          22 July 2016 21: 47
          I answer essentially.
          Russia will not transfer anything from aviation, because it is a setup.
          There are 2 aircraft in the LPR itself - the Su-25 and L-39. both required major repairs. Let’s say they nevertheless repaired with God's help (if so, then God really sits in Moscow).
          What about the Su-25. Two more things are required - specific anti-tank weapons, which were not born in the LPR (and no one will be substituted here either) and aerial reconnaissance of the battlefield. What will not happen, because there are fighters in the arsenal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
          The L-39 is nothing more than a strike aircraft, especially in the anti-tank version. Plus the complete lack of an air management system. Even if in the LPR there is still a pair of AN-2 and MI-2, then all the same all the available aircraft for working out the infantry NURSs and raising morale.
  13. +2
    22 July 2016 13: 54
    The next step will be the invention of the wheel, or have I slightly lagged behind and have already invented it?
  14. +2
    22 July 2016 13: 57
    What is the point - from a certain distance, a certain thickness is striking, what is the problem? Show the realities, I understand: - Sov.secretno, or even the state secrets of Kiev. They were invited to the Russian tank biathlon of the 2 of the year, did Tajikistan and Malaysia come? China then performed on its own tank! ALLO ... Show that the MEN, and not the creatures that can only, that in civilian shoot! If Guys - to the barrier !!!!
  15. +4
    22 July 2016 13: 58
    There are three important components in the MTC case:
    1. Development (modernization)
    2. Order for your aircraft
    3. The ability to mass-produce.

    If one of the items is missing, then the product is not viable. In terms of development, it is simpler for Ukrainians — there is no ban on the purchase of components for military equipment.
    1. +1
      22 July 2016 15: 35
      In terms of development, it is simpler for Ukrainians — there is no ban on the purchase of components for military equipment.


      Quoting Vysotsky: “And where is the money, Zin?”
  16. +1
    22 July 2016 14: 17
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Ukrainians easier, there is no ban on the purchase of components for military equipment.

    So and the flag is yellow-plated, let them at least remember that in order to have something, you must at least start WORKING !!!
  17. +4
    22 July 2016 14: 35
    It can be seen that the Ukrainian Oplot tank has such strong armor that it was even necessary to develop a new anti-tank missile, otherwise there is no chance against it. laughing
  18. +3
    22 July 2016 15: 24
    Rename does not mean to develop. Download further.
  19. +1
    22 July 2016 16: 32
    Oh, tsezh yaki wumni, the ruins of the designer transferring the blueprints of the Russian rocket to the Urin tracing-paper with a change of name. You do not need to break your head, but you must answer for plagiarism.
  20. +4
    22 July 2016 16: 35
    I hate all sorts of "shabby" articles and "opinions" like "experts" about the "shortcomings" of foreign weapons and about the "superiority" of ours. Considering that even the "Merkavas" were burned by the long-obsolete "Babies", the appearance of such anti-tank weapons by a potential enemy, who will probably start selling them cheaply, should be taken very seriously to all our enemies.
    1. +2
      22 July 2016 16: 42
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      to the appearance of such anti-tank weapons in a likely enemy, who will probably begin to sell them at a low price, to all our enemies, one must be very serious.


      To sell something for cheap, you need to buy something for cheap, or to rivet. In the current state of affairs in the country of great ukrov, I doubt that they rivet these prodigies so much and so cheaply that they fill up all markets and make our tankers worry.
    2. 0
      22 July 2016 18: 28
      to all our enemies, we must take it seriously. ,,
      offer to buy dung beetles?
  21. +2
    22 July 2016 17: 00
    The attack and whirlwind are inferior to our missiles in terms of parameters, and there is no need to talk about a comparison with the hermes-developed missile.
  22. +2
    22 July 2016 18: 37
    Of course, hatred is harming us, but Ukrainian applications for super weapons cannot be taken seriously: apart from beautiful names and high-profile phrases that weapons comply with international standards (it must be emphasized that Russians are worse) there is nothing. Remember, the whole brood of Bronnikov: Cossack, Watch, Warta, what else was there? The remainder leaves a large zero.
  23. +2
    22 July 2016 19: 25
    The descendants of the creators of the Black Sea still can not do this ...
    1. +1
      22 July 2016 21: 27
      And where is "zhovto-blakitny" with a trident? Again zrada ?!
  24. 0
    22 July 2016 19: 59
    It is interesting that KB "Luch" (Ukraine) published two videos from which you can safely understand what kind of novelty this "Barrier-V" is.
  25. 0
    24 July 2016 10: 30
    To create a "new" promising weaponry, you need to have: a good scientific base, funding, production, including technical personnel. Well, the most important thing is time! Apparently at the present time in Ukraine is still in the state, there are no such conditions, and in the near future there will be no ... Yes soldier
  26. 0
    25 July 2016 11: 21
    So you probably need to do your helicopters already, not to fly on Soviet MI-24s ...