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Putin's policy towards Ukraine: everything according to Sun Tzu?

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I don’t know if the book by Vladimir Vladimirovich, the most famous commander and theorist Sun Tzu "The Art of War" was a desk book. However, considering everything that has been happening in Ukraine for almost three years, I get into the idea that I was.




And some processes that occur around and near the object confirm this. I can not boast that at once I caught the word "Chan" and understood the point. The puzzle didn’t take shape for quite a while, but it was formed with the help of a colleague Yuri from Sumy, aka Yurasumy, for which many thanks to him.

So, what did I see in the ancient Chinese treatise that made me think about Ukraine and that Putin was studying this book? Just leave quotes to start.

"Sun Tzu said: according to the rules of warfare, the best is to keep the enemy state intact, in second place - to crush this state.

The best is to keep the enemy army safe, in second place - to break it ...

Therefore, to fight a hundred times and win a hundred times is not the best of the best; the best of the best is to conquer a foreign army without fighting.

Therefore, the best war - to break the plans of the enemy; in the next place - break his alliances; in the next place - smash his troops.

Therefore, he who knows how to wage a war conquers a foreign army without fighting; takes foreign fortresses without besieging; crushes a foreign state, not holding his army for a long time. He always keeps everything intact, and this disputes the power in the Middle Kingdom. Therefore, you can not dulling weapon to benefit: this is the rule of strategic attack. "


I hope it is clear what this is all about. A hundred times it has been said that the war is on, but Russia never came to it. But the topic that I decided to touch on is not related to the strategy as such, but to one of the particulars.

How to save a state that seems to be at war with you, or crush, without resorting to military actions?

If correctly interpreted / comprehended, then, in general, Mr. Sun Tzu, referring to the preservation of the enemy’s state, had in mind the following: to maintain integrity does not mean not to conquer. It means not to tear it to shreds tank wedges and other pleasures of today.

So what are we talking about? We are talking about some gestures that can provide something like a night opening gates. The thing in ancient times is despicable, but effective. And, by the way, saved a lot of lives. Winners, of course.

Immediately emphasize that this is not about the conquest of Ukraine. Rather, about some kind of work on sticking to a more or less digestible for Russia. Say, and why did you take it, dear? But from what. The evidence so far is two and a half, but it may be more if you dig deeper.

But before proceeding with the evidence, a few more quotes from the ancient Chinese. And they relate, strange as it may seem, to spies. Generally, Sun Tzu is considered to be the father of all special services for a reason.

“Knowledge in advance cannot be obtained from gods and demons, it cannot be obtained by concluding by similarity, it cannot be obtained by any calculations. Knowledge of the position of the enemy can only be obtained from people.

Therefore, the use of spies is of five kinds: there are local spies, there are internal spies, there are reverse spies, there are spies of death, there are spies of life.

All five categories of spies work, and you can not know their ways. This is called an incomprehensible mystery. They are a treasure for the sovereign.

Local spies are recruited from the local people of the enemy’s country and used by them;
internal spies are recruited from his officials and used by them;
Reverse spies are recruited from enemy spies and used by them.
When I use something deceitful, I let my spies know about it, and they pass it on to the enemy. Such spies will be spies of death. The spies of life are those who return with a report.

Therefore, for the army, there is nothing closer than spies; no big rewards than spies; There are no more secret cases than spyware. Without perfect knowledge, you cannot use spies; not possessing humanity and justice, you will not be able to use spies; not possessing subtlety and insight, you can not get a real result from the spies. Subtlety! Subtlety! There is nothing that spies cannot use. "


Today, the word "spy" sounds somewhat impartial, but the essence has not changed. I hope that what you said to Sun Tzu, you read and understood, and therefore turn to the evidence.

So, the first proof. Crimea.

Yes, it is the Crimea. And I will begin again with the Battle Rules so often mentioned by us. It is more modern than the "Art of War" and more understandable. As part of the formulation of the problem, understanding it and others. The smartest book, I'll tell you.

So, according to the “Art of War”, if we are faced with the task of not capturing Ukraine, but quietly “squeezing” it, then everything looks quite logical. Especially taking into account the fact that today in the territory of Ukraine they will not really work in the information field. It’s not worth talking too much about the pretty crap brains of one part of the population and frank refusing the other, we all know perfectly well.

The military option is really unacceptable here. Because quite the same 1946 year can turn out, and so on.

But there is one feature of Ukraine, which gives a definite clue.

These are Ukrainian oligarchs and elites close to them. Moreover, in the Crimea, these elites and oligarchs were no less in percentage terms than in the rest of Ukraine. And this site has recently been Ukraine. With all that it implies.

You can say a lot about the fact that Crimeans are all like one Russians, and so on. But every day more and more convinced in the opposite. On this topic, you can talk for a long time, but nonetheless. The fact that Crimeans are habits, reflexes, the psychology of everyday life are very, very similar to the population of Ukraine.

By the way, this is not a minus, fortunately, but a plus.

Many people, including me, are very, very surprised by the fact that in Crimea at the administrative places there are still mostly local personnel. Moreover, there are reports that "returnees" are felled by the specialists, who are immediately employed. And this today in the Crimea annoying many.

I also draw attention to the complete absence of administrative terror in Crimea, and this despite the fact that, although they do not steal in the same way as in Russia, they also cause the planting season to be above the roof.

But once again, "they pointed out the shortcomings," "they instructed to finalize," "they urged to draw conclusions," and that was all ... And the administrative system actually remained the same as it was three years ago. Well, the flags have changed and membership cards. Rave? But no. This has its own logic and meaning. According to Sun Tzu.

Crimean elite is part of the Ukrainian elite. Former Ukrainian, future Russian, not so important. The dollar, he, if anything, is international. And his power also does not have this feature. And, in fact, all these gentlemen are smeared with one world. Ukrainian.

But today, those who are in / in Ukraine are definitely closely watching what Moscow will do with their Crimean counterparts. Of course, a certain temptation in the plan to imprison or disperse them all exists. And perhaps, planting on their places, it would be possible to achieve greater effect.

But this scenario, you know, is not particularly acceptable for the Ukrainian elites. For, oddly enough, but they also want to live. And live well.

In the meantime, we have repeatedly had the opportunity to make sure that the opinion of the oligarchs and their confidants sometimes means more than all of the Wishlist of the Kiev junta, coupled with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Security Service of Ukraine, VRU and other government agencies. There is enough evidence of this, starting from Mariupol and ending with Odessa.

And it is the local elites that often mean the formation of the information field on the ground more than the central structures. And it was they who were the first to enter into a conflict of interest with pro-American gentlemen from the team sitting in Kiev.

And it is for them today that there is a signal from the Crimea that "it could be worse." And it could be better. And this signal comes from their own colleagues, who were not kicked at the FSB, who were not taken away from anything. NOTHING! Moreover, they even made it possible to work for the good of the new Motherland.


Well, what are not internal spies, tell me?

That’s probably why all the antics of the Crimean authorities, the frank inability to work and other pleasures are tolerated in Moscow. They are tolerated, apparently, in the name of precisely those interests that I have indicated.

Moving on.

Next we have ... Savchenko.

Strange as it may seem, but Nadia fits perfectly into the Chinese espionage strategy. stories. Of course, not as an internal or local spy, but as the reverse.

Proof of? You are welcome. Consider the whole picture.

Nadezhda Savchenko, a hitherto unknown officer of the Ukrainian Air Force, was captured in the summer of 2014, was accused of killing two Russian journalists and after a long trial in the Russian Federation was sentenced to 22 years in prison.

During the investigation and trial, Savchenko made just a dizzying career: she became a deputy of the Rada, the PACE and a kind of symbol of modern Ukraine. The first status was helped by Yulia Tymoshenko, the second by the Rada deputies, and the symbol was made by Ukrainian journalists and ordinary people. And if the journalists clearly received an appropriate order, then the townsfolk, already processed in the right direction, amicably rode “For Nadia”. It is quite normal and familiar.

Live icon martyr zafigachili. The status of a deputy twice and the information campaign launched to defend her, of course, strained Russia a little, but the court confidently went to its final. And by the way, everything suited everyone. Especially Ukraine, whose authorities occasionally squealed, waving a portrait of Savchenko and invoking all the sacraments of heaven on Putin’s head.

Well, there it is accepted. Or a torn flag, or a riddled sheet of iron, or a portrait of Savchenko. All the script.

And everything went on as usual, because everyone in Ukraine was firmly convinced that Putin was watching “The venue cannot be changed” or read Weiner. And Savchenko "... will sit! I said! ..."

But that still happened unexpectedly. Back in 2015, the countries of the “Norman Four” decided that Nadezhda Savchenko should be returned to Ukraine! And here Putin made a seemingly incomprehensible move. All these words about humanism and so on, all regarded who as. Who is like a weakness, someone like, sorry, incomprehensible sly ...

And the prospect of something Poroshenko collapsed in his eyes. It is clear that Savchenko needed them either alive, but in prison in Russia, or dead, but there too. And definitely, the variant of the tortured Savchenko would suit everyone, from a woman with a scythe to a man with a glass. The main thing is Savchenko in Russia (in any condition).

Savchenko has no weak points in the informational plan. Quite a flawless biography, a high degree of fraud. She did not take bribes (not because she was honest, but simply there was no place to take them), she was obsessed with her own ideas, which, in principle, are completely nothing for today's Ukraine. At trial, the mind did not shine, rather the opposite. Replaced the mind of political slogans. In short, a very convenient character to create an icon.

The modern heroine of Ukraine, and, preferably, posthumously.

Accordingly, the team was given to the promotion and glorification of Savchenko in the media. We responded with a wave of discontent, the supporters of which declared that in no case could Savchenko be changed and that it was a shame, a drain, and stuff like that. On our site, 8 from 10 readers spoke this way, remember? I remember.

But in Kiev, worried. Live Savchenko, and even at large, forgive them, they didn’t dig there at all. Even began to delay the trial of those Russians who were to be exchanged for Savchenko.

But then the Europeans intervened. And ominously roared at Poroshenko, they say, sing, you either take off the cross, or put on panties. Who yelled "Freedom Savchenko!"?

Further, we observed a solemn procession barefoot along the path at the airport, inadequate cries of Savchenko, and nothing foreshadowed trouble. Everything was as we expected.

And then the unexpected began again. Both for Russians, and for Ukrainians.

Where did the hysterical psychopath go? Where are the rather outrageous behavior and cries of "Glory to Ukraine!"?

No, shouts, note for the sake of justice, are still present. But not in such quantity. And T-shirts with a fork left. But everyone suddenly realized that Nadia was not exactly what was expected of her. That she is absolutely not going to go with a machine gun to the front and there to take revenge on Putin for everything.

It turned out that Savchenko has not only well-established views, but also a clear program of action. Where she developed it, the question is, of course, interesting. But Savchenko began to say what they wanted to hear in Ukraine. And not representatives of the authorities. Nadia began to broadcast terrible things: peace with Russia, status for Donbass, amnesty for political prisoners, Minsk should be implemented. And in general, the war must end and seek a consensus in Ukrainian society.

Zrada? Seem to be...

This would not have been forgiven to anyone else, and most likely they would quickly be sent to meet with Buzina. But Savchenko at this moment in Ukraine could say if not all, then almost everything. With impunity. For the heroine and all that. The only thing that could be done on the Poroshenko’s place is to shove Nadia somewhere in the PACE, so that she defended the rights of the citizens of Ukraine and did not loom in Ukraine itself. But it turned out that late.

Savchenko has become the most popular politician in Ukraine, with a huge margin from opponents. Of course, this is the same Nadia, for whose freedom the Ukrainians stood at rallies and signed petitions. And now this Nadia says that these Ukrainians want, in fact, from the authorities: peace, work, income, peace of mind. Reasonably, by the way.

And who was the second, or second, after Savchenko? It is clear that Ms. Tymoshenko! Yulia Vladimirovna, a two-year-old snake sat in ambush these two years, made a bet on Savchenko and ... won! But how! The Yulia Tymoshenko Bloc rating overtook everyone in Ukraine except the Opposition Bloc. And then, I think, for now. Oh, how to wind the former regionals, Tymoshenko knows. And Savchenko will teach.

If you step back from the personalities and look at the essence of what was said, as well as scroll through all the statements of Nadezhda Savchenko for the last month, then you unwittingly smile. After all, this is the same thing that Putin has been saying for the last one and a half or two years.

I don’t know how to achieve this result, but it’s already obvious that Savchenko is not just the most powerful weapon against President Poroshenko. She is a mine planted under the political train of Ukraine, which hit the road in 2014.

But the most terrible thing for the train passengers is that the mine turned out to be the person whom these passengers so hard have been spinning all this time. Hero, symbol, icon. Funny.

Here's how once again not to bring the words of a wise Chinese, who died even 500 years before the birth of Christ?

"Only enlightened sovereigns and wise commanders know how to make high-mind people their spies, and in this way they certainly accomplish great things. The use of spies is the most essential thing in war; it is the support that the army relies on."

The great thing after all is the book "The Art of War", written two and a half thousand years ago. Especially if applied correctly. Apparently, we have people who can.

Although, to be honest, I prefer "Science to win". But if in the end we will have the option that suits Russia, that is, us, in terms of bringing Ukraine into a divine form, then what difference does it make, what methods will be used for this?
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    1. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 19 July 2016 09: 34
      +1
      The method is not important - the result is important !!!
  2. azer
    azer 19 July 2016 05: 05
    +4
    Well, let's see what happens in the end. But my opinion is that you need to act very carefully and subtly
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      1. SPACE
        SPACE 19 July 2016 07: 39
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        But what does Putin read when it comes to domestic politics? - "The art of surrounding yourself with ministers - d.ebi.la.mi"?

        In place of the ministers, both you and many of those present here will automatically become doctorate students, regardless of their personal qualities, and this is all thanks to the people who write this ...
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Ministers-D.B.I.L.A.M.I


        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        there were problems with education, healthcare, now the sport has collapsed ... then where?

        Of course they destroyed everything, forgive the chapel, they also destroyed it))) When, I wonder, according to such seers, Russia will collapse? A stamp or another superconductor of marasmic nonsense, judging by your words, there are solid, "uneducated, sick in the head, athletes" around, fighting for their rights. You may be right, but are fools capable of analytics? In general, it is already dumb to read the next garbage of every newly-minted "smart guy" ...
        Z.Y. The article is good, medical and educational ...
        1. Lyubopyatov
          Lyubopyatov 19 July 2016 11: 56
          +3
          Alas, his ministers are not stupid people, but simply hanging on the hook of the State Department and offshore, at least.
          1. Lyubopyatov
            Lyubopyatov 19 July 2016 11: 58
            +1
            I had a quote: "dbi.ly", but the automatic censor replaced it with the word "stupid people".
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 19 July 2016 17: 52
          +1
          Quote: SPACE
          Of course, they all ruined, I'm sorry, they also ruined the chapel))

          no, of course, with him they were configured so much ...
          Quote: SPACE
          When, I wonder, according to such seers, will Russia collapse?

          FSB graduates, are you few? that's when such a generation at the helm becomes, then-PROBLEMS ...
          Quote: SPACE
          A stamp or another superconductor of insanity

          excuse me, I'm stupid from birth ... where can a sirom understand what's going on around ... it's your "uryakalok" "everything is fine, beautiful marquise" ...
          Quote: SPACE
          uneducated, sick in the head, athletes "fighting for their rights.

          Is it Kokorin with Mamaev? (Yapadstal)))
          Quote: SPACE
          You may be right, but are fools capable of analytics?

          And how! but only they have their own logic!
          Quote: SPACE
          In general, it is already dumb to read the next garbage of every newly-minted "smart guy" ...
          even more "dumb", to read such unsubscriptions ... check if your brain is turned off? ...
        3. Dm-sl
          Dm-sl 20 July 2016 09: 05
          +1
          You know, I personally often come across managers, businessmen, etc., and have taken root in the opinion that the farther, the fewer leaders, not only professionals in their field, but who generally have elementary logic. Here is a typical task: There is a resource with a dynamic price. Intermediary A selling this resource takes a bonus of 8 rubles. Intermediary B is ready to sell the same resource and work for a premium of 7 rubles. Source G is ready to work for 0.1% of the cost of the resource - in the prices of the previous year, the premium would be 6 rubles. Question: Is there enough information to determine which intermediary is more profitable to work with? Which intermediary is the least profitable to work with?
          Here is the answer, and I will write later which option most often chooses a business.
      2. R-22
        R-22 19 July 2016 07: 59
        +1
        Well, why did it immediately collapse? I.D.O.T.T. football players are not all the sport of Russia, in recent years we have achieved good achievements in various forms and we are starting to push Europe and the USA tightly, and China is doing the same in competitions, across the country there are Olympic sports schools in which children train quite seriously and I think soon there will be a result. and education and medicine - yes, a disaster!
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 19 July 2016 17: 58
          -1
          Quote: R-22
          Well, why did it immediately collapse? I.D.O.T.T. football players are not all the sport of Russia, in recent years we have achieved good achievements in various forms and we are starting to push Europe and the USA tightly, and China is doing the same in competitions

          You don't know what's going on at all? Do you understand that we will soon be trampled on from everywhere? what achievements? athletes themselves are shocked, they are not aware of their "nutrition", they are "pumped up" without their knowledge, and as a result, in "* opera" -country. "meldonium" scandal-top, soon there will be more news , believe me.
      3. ovod84
        ovod84 19 July 2016 08: 21
        0
        For example, Mutko and others
      4. Ivan Slavyanin
        Ivan Slavyanin 19 July 2016 08: 26
        -4
        For Nick "Andrey Yuryevich:" TACTICS WITHOUT STRATEGY IS A LARGE NOISE LEADING TO DEFEAT, STRATEGY WITHOUT TACTICS IS A LONG WAY TO VICTORY "(c) Sun Tzu" The Art of War ".
        Or maybe Putin knows that the enemy is using spies in the government? Then, according to the strategy of Sun Tzu, he keeps the spies of the enemy with him in order to control them. This thought did not come to you?
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 19 July 2016 18: 01
          +2
          Quote: Ivan Slavyanin
          This thought did not come to you?

          I’m with you, don’t graze the calves, this is it. but to keep with "yourself", and watch how they shit, the top of stupidity ... don't you think? can it be better to "eliminate" them? what is more useful for the country? Do you yourself understand what you write?
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 19 July 2016 18: 22
          +4
          Quote: Ivan Slavyanin
          Or maybe Putin knows that the enemy is using spies in the government? Then, according to the strategy of Sun Tzu, he keeps the spies of the enemy with him in order to control them. This thought did not come to you?

          Sorry to interrupt, but what you write is bullshit. Sorry again. fellow
      5. Alex_59
        Alex_59 19 July 2016 08: 39
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        "The Art of War", "The Science of Winning." Are interesting books, but what does Putin read when it comes to domestic politics? - "The art of surrounding yourself with ministers - d.eeb.i.l.a.m."? problems with education, health care, now sports have ruined ... where next?

        There is an assumption based on the fact that you cannot be everywhere the same professional of the highest level. With foreign policy, Putin is surprisingly not bad at all. But in the economy and other social programs - it is zero. He’s a scout, KGB officer. In economics, he is forced to rely on the government ... and this is Medvedev, Kudrin (was), Chubais, etc. Sailed ... Putin needs a competent deputy in economics and domestic politics. But this is not. And the existing team of a competent person with adequate views is unlikely to let close to the top - because then they will all go to the forest. So, in my opinion, either the new 37 year is waiting for us, or ... it’s better not to think about it, since the 37 year is probably the best of two evils.
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 19 July 2016 14: 46
          +1
          Quote: Alex_59
          Putin needs a competent deputy in economics and domestic politics. But this is not.

          Deputy President of the Russian Federation? Cool. Putin is not so stupid as not to understand that all posts should be professionals, not effective managers. Is it really not clear that the illiterate are being maliciously placed in their posts and that the president is unable to cope with this state of affairs?
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 19 July 2016 18: 14
            +3
            Quote: Svetlana
            Is it really not clear that the illiterate are being maliciously placed in their posts and that the president is unable to cope with this state of affairs?

            weak president? I don’t think there’s anything else here, they’re holding him for something ...
            1. Svetlana
              Svetlana 20 July 2016 12: 54
              +1
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              weak president? I don’t think there’s anything else here, they’re holding him for something ...

              No, not weak, it is not a matter of strength, but of opportunities. He leads the oligarchic clans and promotes their interests within the country and beyond, just outside its interests the interests of our oligarchs and people coincide in many respects. So far, the oligarchy is also taking advantage of the increase in the patriotism of the people. For them, he does everything right, and even enjoys the support of the people. The oligarchs will keep Putin until he suits them and crawls to where the taboo is, although sometimes it seems that he is already on the verge.
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 19 July 2016 18: 03
          +1
          Quote: Alex_59
          There is an assumption based on the fact that you cannot be everywhere the same professional of the highest level. With foreign policy, Putin is surprisingly not bad at all. But in the economy and other social programs - it is zero. He’s a scout, KGB officer.

          I agree.
          Quote: Alex_59
          Putin needs a competent deputy in economics and domestic politics. But this is not. And the existing team of a competent person with adequate views is unlikely to let close to the top - because then they will all go to the forest.

          agree again.
          Quote: Alex_59
          So, in my opinion, either the new 37th year is waiting for us, or ... it’s better not to think about it, since the 37th year is probably the best of two evils.

          I am not against 37go anymore ..., everything is so launched ...
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 20 July 2016 13: 01
            +1
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            I am not against 37go anymore ..., everything is so launched ...

            But I only agree with that. Putin has enough competent economic advisers, and he himself understands who is literate and who is not, but they will not give him and will never allow them to be put into power, since then all the oxygen will be shut off to the oligarchy. They are oligarchs as long as they are in power such as a bear, ululyukaev, kudrin or gref (what the hell is the difference), siluans, dvorkovich and naubilina.
      6. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 19 July 2016 08: 59
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        but what does Putin read when it comes to domestic politics? - "The art of surrounding yourself with ministers - d. eb. i.l.a.m. and
        laughing Well, of course, the Zaputins have an answer - "Keep your friends close to you, and your enemies even closer" or something like this, the author is either Machiavely, or this notorious Sun)
      7. Svetlana
        Svetlana 19 July 2016 14: 39
        +3
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        "The Art of War", "The Science of Winning." Are interesting books, but what does Putin read when it comes to domestic politics? - "The art of surrounding yourself with ministers - d.eeb.i.l.a.m."? problems with education, health care, now sports have ruined ... where next?

        Unfortunately, problems with education and health care did not "exist", but are. And, rather, Putin is surrounded by such ministers, and not he himself surrounds them. This is to hedge the oligarchs, otherwise, God forbid, will not allow the country to collapse. Nobody will let him choose the ministers himself. Despite the fact that he officially appoints them.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 19 July 2016 19: 18
          +1
          Quote: Svetlana
          And, rather, Putin is surrounded by such ministers, and he is not surrounded by himself. This is to secure the oligarchs, otherwise God forbid that it does not allow to undermine the country. No one will let him choose the ministers himself. Despite the fact that he officially appoints them.

          What then do you think the country benefits from such a president? Is his surname Putin?
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 19 July 2016 05: 56
      +7
      "You need to act carefully." And who will bring Russia into a "divine form"? am Land and resources are unmeasured, and who is the master?
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 19 July 2016 06: 25
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        Land and resources are unmeasured, and who is the master?
        "Our earth is great and abundant, but there is no order in it" - it was said more than a thousand years ago, but it is still relevant.
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        ..but what does Putin read when it comes to domestic politics?
        "Little Tsakhes"?
      2. baudolino
        baudolino 19 July 2016 08: 37
        +2
        Here you are, my friend, and put things in order in your house. There is nothing to blame for Uncle Pushkin and Putin, if you yourself are not involved in the business.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 19 July 2016 18: 19
          +3
          Quote: baudolino
          Here you are, my friend, and put things in order in your house. There is nothing to blame for Uncle Pushkin and Putin, if you yourself are not involved in the business.

          I have an order in my house, unlike Putin. I’m responsible for my house, he’s for the country. Do you catch the difference? But what else should I do? education, sports? medicine?
  3. MneMorizz
    MneMorizz 19 July 2016 05: 16
    +1
    All the facts stated are the place to be. You need to read Sun Tzu to determine Putin’s place in this system. Everyone knows that Putin is the God of Ukrainians
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 19 July 2016 06: 48
      +3
      Putin is everywhere, it turns out he allowed what is happening in Ukraine now and is now struggling with it, it’s ridiculous for me to deal with such articles, he had to deal with Ukraine before, but Putin flirted with the West, thought about his acceptance, a mistake came out.
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 19 July 2016 08: 42
        +2
        Quote: Igor39
        Putin is everywhere, it turns out he allowed what is happening in Ukraine now and is now struggling with this, it’s funny for me from such articles,

        And how could he prevent this? Bribe every Ukrainian politician? So they can only be rented for a while.
        To land an airborne division in the ASU? This means taking away from the Ukrainian people the dream of euro freebies and dragging them forcibly into the "taiga union". And get full-blown guerrilla warfare and obstruction in Europe
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 19 July 2016 09: 37
          0
          Quote: Winnie76
          and obstruction in Europe

          And now what has been received, by the way, an attempt to remove the Russian team from the Olympic games from the same opera, doping is secondary here
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 19 July 2016 18: 21
          +2
          Quote: Winnie76
          And how could he prevent this?

          how did the Americans manage to influence? it was necessary to give OWN "cookies" to the people in time.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 19 July 2016 19: 20
      0
      Quote: MneMorizz
      Everyone knows that Putin is the God of Ukrainians

      One of them, being a non-minister of foreign affairs, even came up with a new name for him.
  4. Pitot
    Pitot 19 July 2016 05: 25
    +17
    Article plus. Of course, I do not pick bananas from the apple tree, but to my stupid little mind a rather interesting article. Let's say unusual. Without any slogans, but somehow it is intelligibly and reasonably written for me.
  5. then
    then 19 July 2016 05: 36
    +2
    And what about D.A.M. studied?
    1. xolod_22
      xolod_22 19 July 2016 06: 47
      +5
      Mr. Medvedev doesn’t seem to have progressed further than the instructions for the smartphone (first pages) ...
    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana 19 July 2016 14: 47
      +2
      Quote: sedan
      And what about D.A.M. studied?

      Comics about Spider-Man.
  6. antiexpert
    antiexpert 19 July 2016 05: 39
    -2
    what wonderful words - it’s a pity that modern China betrayed this wisdom by bending under the USA ...
    1. Berber
      Berber 19 July 2016 09: 22
      +2
      I believe that you are a colleague wrong. Mutual cultural penetration is inevitable. It’s like a vaccination against social diseases. An example - North Korea, China was the same, and now ...? Their strategy is designed for decades, they know how to wait.
  7. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 19 July 2016 05: 47
    +6
    The Art of War was on Allen Dulles's desk too.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 19 July 2016 14: 00
      +2
      Anyone who has not read Sun Tzu hardly knows who Dulles is.
      They will probably think that this is the city in which some Kennedy was killed.
      These Tolstoy generals:
      Die erste Kolonne marschiert, die zweite Kolonne marschiert ...
      Tank columns to the left, tank columns to the right ... keep quiet.
  8. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 19 July 2016 05: 55
    0
    I liked the article. In any Chinese way, squeeze, squeeze --- if only for the benefit of Russia.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 19 July 2016 09: 12
      +2
      Quote: Reptiloid
      In any Chinese way to squeeze,
      let’s bring the Chinese right away - it’s more usual for them to live according to Sun Tzu than to us simple Russians — Russia will probably benefit, according to Sun Tzu fellow
  9. PKK
    PKK 19 July 2016 06: 07
    +3
    Add FENG SHUI to Sun Tzu and there will be a complete Peremoga!
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 19 July 2016 06: 31
    +4
    in Moscow they suffer all the tricks of the Crimean authorities, a frank inability to work and other pleasures. ... Yes, and it really is ... In my field, where I work, this is exactly what happens ..
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 19 July 2016 09: 04
      +2
      you can think only in the Crimea - in St. Petersburg, the clowning with the most expensive stadium in the world, has reached its peak recently - they decided to change the general contractor six months before the end of construction, I’m silent about all kinds of boards and bridges. And nothing, all the rules
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 19 July 2016 10: 01
        +2
        You see, in St. Petersburg, they just steal money, but in the Crimea ... everything is so elegantly furnished ... and under the guise of sanctions ...
  11. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 19 July 2016 06: 35
    +2
    As for me, it’s too good to be true .... however, as JV Stalin used to say: if the existence of a comrade of God, if its complete absence cannot be proved by agent-operative methods, or by others (ATTENTION !!!!) - both versions have a right to exist .... Well, something like that, and something like that ...
  12. igordok
    igordok 19 July 2016 06: 58
    +19
    Similar opinions sometimes pop up on the censor.
  13. Scud
    Scud 19 July 2016 07: 30
    +4
    Mind Ukrainians do not understand. The corrections to the Verkhovna Rada in some areas have passed just recently. And sho you think, after thousands of deaths, they again chose stubborn scum. Kakly is not a nationality-diagnosis.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 19 July 2016 08: 09
      +7
      Quote: scud
      And sho you think, after thousands of deaths again chose stubborn scum

      but I’m not sure that they were chosen. The main thing is how they calculated.
      1. Svyatoslavich
        Svyatoslavich 20 July 2016 10: 23
        0
        but I’m not sure that they were chosen. The main thing is how they calculated.
        Where is wrong?
  14. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 19 July 2016 07: 32
    +9
    Article minus sheer speculation: read did not read. With Crimea - yes, it turned out well. And what about the Donbass? There that not Russian people live? Russians were killed and killed. It’s interesting how according to Sun Tzu the author will explain this to the relatives of the victims?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 19 July 2016 08: 12
      +4
      Quote: Seraphimamur
      And what about the Donbass? There that not Russian people live? Russians were killed and killed.

      Well, probably there is no such interest in Russian businessmen in the Donbass as in the Crimea. So that...
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 19 July 2016 09: 07
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Well, probably there is no such interest in Russian businessmen in the Donbass as in the Crimea. So that..

        Well, still - what interest when they shell regularly and the territory with incomprehensible but what status. Unlike the Crimea, the Russian Federation don’t officially recognize Donbass as any place - who’s going there to go legal to do business ?!
      2. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 19 July 2016 11: 54
        0
        probably there is no such interest in Russian businessmen in the Donbass as in the Crimea.

        Even if there is ... it won’t work out as with Crimea in the legal field. Crimea seemed to have the status of a republic (did not read the Constitution of the Independent, i.e., the subject of the federation, and not the region) and had a certain right to self-determination. So now Kiev is afraid of fire like Minsk-2 in terms of federalization. With the Donbass the situation is like with Transnistria, guys protect yourself, Russia will try to help you.
      3. Svyatoslavich
        Svyatoslavich 20 July 2016 10: 28
        0
        Well, probably there is no such interest in Russian businessmen in the Donbass as in the Crimea. So that...
        Do not understand?
        Now imagine imagine the picture:
        November 2014, XNUMX
        Sevastopol, the Russian fleet ...
        and the "right sector" raging on the streets of Sevastopol (as it is now in the Donbass).
    2. baudolino
      baudolino 19 July 2016 08: 33
      +3
      The Russian economy is not so strong and independent enough to realize any wishes of comrades from the couch. Donbass in the Russian Federation and a 360 dollar would hardly please anyone, even from patriots.
      And Donetsk is moving to the Russian harbor, do not worry.
    3. ver_
      ver_ 19 July 2016 11: 54
      0
      ... and there would be fifty to fifty .... it was already considered ...
  15. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 19 July 2016 07: 32
    +2
    So, the first proof. Crimea.
    Proof of? You are welcome. Consider the whole picture.
    I read and recalled. Yesterday's WADA report
  16. AID.S
    AID.S 19 July 2016 07: 44
    +3
    Here is a part of the article about the finds on Mars from the "Science-KP" section
    "NASA, which is usually silent about the" finds "on Mars, which are now abundant on the Internet, recently commented on them at once. The speaker was Ashvin Vasadava, one of the leading staff working with Curiosity. He said he would be glad to see there are some artifacts on Mars. But they are not there. Alas, there is nothing anomalous, man-made or alive. And all the finds of virtual archaeologists, zoologists or paleontologists are a manifestation of pareidolia - the ability of some people to form illusory images from the details of real relief. As a result, they see what I would like to see, "infecting" others with my illusions.

    Pareidolia, on the other hand, is a kind of apophenia - the ability to see certain ordered structures, to notice non-existent relationships in random and meaningless data.

    Until recently, pareidolia and apophenia were considered mental disorders. And the virtual explorers of Mars and the Moon are crazy. But now physiologists believe that illusory images can occur in normal people. Moreover, as it has now become clear, the human brain is generally prone to pareidolia. Indeed, thanks to her, he recognizes familiar faces and objects in separate details, without having a complete image. "
  17. WIN969
    WIN969 19 July 2016 08: 21
    +1
    Stop believing in nonsense, Sun Tzu did not say anything like that, another stuffing for cheating ratings.
    1. AID.S
      AID.S 19 July 2016 08: 26
      +1
      Quote: WIN969
      another stuffing for cheating ratings.

      If possible, then explain in more detail your thought.
  18. Alex_59
    Alex_59 19 July 2016 08: 26
    +5
    You can say a lot about the fact that Crimeans are all like one Russians, and so on. But every day more and more convinced in the opposite. On this topic, you can talk for a long time, but nonetheless. The fact that Crimeans are habits, reflexes, the psychology of everyday life are very, very similar to the population of Ukraine.
    Lord, what nonsense. When I came to Sevastopol after a long break, it felt like I was in Peter. What are Ukrainians? There are more Russian people than in many regions of Russia itself. Even in the Kuban and Rostov, the South Russian accent in dialect is heard more strongly than in Sevastopol. Of course Crimea, it is not only Sevastopol. But I do not see any pronounced differences from the Russian Federation, how many kilometers I did not wind around in the Crimea. Yes, this is the south, everything is a bit poorer, without scope - yes. Even the Tatar part of the inhabitants, which I may not know well enough, at first glance does not strongly contrast with our Tatarstan.
  19. Alex66
    Alex66 19 July 2016 08: 32
    0
    And in my humble opinion, if Putin suddenly succeeded, contrary to DAM and his team, in pursuing an internal policy in Russia that would increase the well-being of the people, then this whole tricky ... game would not be needed. The USSR by its example and not Sunzi made friends. And what can we offer Ukraine and the world, nothing new.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 19 July 2016 19: 28
      +1
      Quote: Alex66
      And in my humble opinion, if Putin suddenly succeeded in spite of DAM and his team,

      Yes, DAM, we have a political heavyweight. wink
  20. Stena
    Stena 19 July 2016 08: 46
    +4
    Question to the author of the article - Uncle Roma, tell me, why is Sun-Ji shoved everywhere? In the academy of the General Staff hang quotes from his work, does the site broadcast everything about him? Tell me, please, what did he achieve in military affairs? I ask without irony. We just have our own strategists and tacticians and just great military leaders, and we shove Chinese quotes everywhere. In my memory, the Chinese in all the wars in which they participated-I didn’t want to rake at all. The Mongols shoved them, the Japanese shoved them, the Koreans, in my opinion - and they shoved them. Europeans - crammed ours - crammed. Or just a fashion trend? Regards, AKC.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 19 July 2016 15: 08
      +1
      Quote: Stena
      we have a considerable number of our strategists and tacticians and simply great military leaders, and everywhere we shove Chinese quotes. In my memory, the Chinese in all the wars in which they participated-I didn’t want to rake at all. The Mongols shoved them, the Japanese shoved them, the Koreans, in my opinion - and they shoved them. Europeans - stuffed, ours - stuffed. Or just a fashion trend?

      The history of China was written by the Jesuits in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. All the great inventions and constructions attributed to them were made not by the Chinese, but by the Russians. In order to make us Ivanes, relatives not remembering. And we, indeed, from time immemorial crammed them. But the great Chinese wise rulers ordered the loopholes in the Chinese wall to be aimed at themselves in order to show their wisdom to the whole world. The Chinese have achieved their economic miracle, adopting in many respects the experience of the USSR and copying all the technical achievements tirelessly. They still have authority in Mao Dzedong, and he studied with Stalin to develop the country's economy.
  21. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 19 July 2016 08: 47
    +1
    That's right, human consciousness is very inertial, and you can't cut from the shoulder. Rubanesh, there will be a revolution. Does Russia need it? Only time, only a gradual "squeezing" from Ukrainian habits and schemes, and everything will be as planned.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 19 July 2016 19: 33
      +2
      Quote: Alex von Dorn
      Rubanesh- will be a revolution.

      A revolution, according to the classics, is "when the upper classes cannot, but the lower classes do not want." You can live up to such a situation, both with the help of "chopping", and waiting "until the corpse of the enemy floats."
  22. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 19 July 2016 08: 49
    0
    One of the unexpected results of the hybrid war was the opportunity (thanks to the media) to present even the biggest failure as a great victory, which was achieved thanks to a pre-planned ingenious operation. The main thing is to explain everything correctly and focus on the details, taking the viewers' eyes away from the main one.
  23. Watchdog
    Watchdog 19 July 2016 09: 02
    +6
    Honestly, I am against the personification of state power, as is customary in the current era of information wars. Putin - then, Putin - that ... Gentlemen, first of all, leave behind Putin! Well, by God, only a preschooler can think that Putin is sitting in the Kremlin office, he reads "The Art of War", but develops cunning plans. Isn't it funny yourself? It was the State Department who instilled in us a bad habit, we have to get rid of it. They always personify power - Assad, Gaddafi, Hussein, Yanukovych, Milosevic, Arafat - it's easier this way! You are not destroying the state power of another country, you are not violating the sovereignty, you simply personify it in one person, and then you prove that this person is horribly monstrous, a tyrant, a despot, a satrap. Say, we will protect the stupid but good Zusuls from their insidious selfish leader. Therefore, please, do not repeat nonsense. So you know - Russia is not ruled by Putin !!! Russia is run by a whole team of people in key positions. This team has its own principles and values. Bad or good, harmful or useful - it will be seen later. one thing is for sure - it is effective. She knows how to take and retain power (according to Ilyich). So, in this team, I think there are enough people who read not only Sun Tzu, but also Wu Tzu, Huang Shi-gong san lue, Bai zhan qi lue ... Yes, there, most likely all the treatises of the Chinese military seven-book and maybe even in Chinese. So, this is probably exactly how war is understood in the Chinese tradition, or, more precisely, probably the only way as it says today and you can fight. The difference is that for Europeans, war is a continuation of politics, and for the Chinese, politics is a form of war. When everything around with nuclear weapons, it turns out that way.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 19 July 2016 09: 42
      +3
      Quote: Watchdog
      Russia is not controlled by Putin !!! Russia is ruled by a whole team of people in key positions. This team has its own principles and values.

      This may be a mistake, because in my opinion there can be at least two teams, or rather interest groups, and each of them can have its own interests, which are not connected with the interests of the state, in full accordance with the ideology of liberalism, where economic is paramount personality interest
    2. ver_
      ver_ 19 July 2016 11: 34
      0
      All Chinese history, antiquities and philosophy are myths and falsifications of the 17th century ..
  24. kit_bellew
    kit_bellew 19 July 2016 09: 04
    +9
    Here many write: Putin is Putin, ce ... And why does he appoint such ministers who all are falling apart? And why doesn’t he protect the Russians in Donbass? And why do we still have Chubais, Gref and others like them?
    Very simple. Putin, like any other president of any other country, is a talking head. In our country, perhaps - to a much lesser extent than, say, in the same States, but still. is he not single in decision making, and not the fact that in general it has any significant influence on the adoption of these very decisions. This is the principle of western democracy, which we, alas, have not yet been canceled: decisions are made by people unknown to the general public, but holding in their hands real control leversand these decisions are voiced by dummy figures on which all dogs can be hung without prejudice to the line being drawn.
    The Russian government’s governance structure still has a deadly number of elements introduced under the criminal Yeltsin regime. But the Yeltsin regime cannot be officially declared criminal - its current direct heir! But the only thing Amers need is to ramp up towards the right steps from the point of view of Russia's revival, they will immediately declare him hellish and take out something that the Panamanian papers will be a candy wrapper from. Something Sobchakov-Lensoviet. And they are feignedly horrified: but we, damn it, did not know! But we are the defenders of democracy all over the world! World police, so to speak! And the troops will be brought in. So let's say thank you that the group represented by the GDP manages to do at least something in this hell, at least with regard to the country's defense capabilities.
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 19 July 2016 09: 22
      +4
      Quote: kit_bellew
      And why does he appoint such ministers who all fall apart? And why doesn’t he protect the Russians in Donbass? And why do we still have Chubais, Gref and others like them?
      Very simple. Putin, like any other president of any other country, is a talking head.

      Most likely in a different way. Power is the resultant of many forces. Part of the forces is Putin, part is Chubais, the third is some other oligarchs. All these forces must come to some consensus in order to stably manage society. The interests of all must be taken into account. A shift in favor of someone leads to imbalance and is fraught with consequences, from simple resignations to an explosion in the form of coups and revolutions (depending on the depth of the imbalance). Putin obviously represents moderately conservative forces that advocate the revival of part of the Soviet system, the army, and activity in foreign policy. But not two peas per spoon - this is obviously given by concessions to other power groups in other aspects of life. For example, the same oligarchs, maybe they say Putin - ok, come on, act, but don’t touch the economic system, we want to live like Tsar Boris, don’t take Medvedev, Chubais out of power — these are our people. Putin is not infinitely omnipotent - he must somehow reckon with this force. And if this force becomes an insurmountable obstacle, then dramatically all of this can be changed only with the support of some other force (for example, popular rating is also not an empty phrase). But apparently this is not enough yet, or Putin himself does not consider the situation in the economy so terrible that it is necessary to force the Chubais and the Gref to be uprooted. That's a tough question.
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 19 July 2016 09: 32
        +3
        And by the way, the last time such an imbalance in power structures led neither more nor less to the 37 year - repressions. Stalin gained strength and simply knocked out all saboteurs and oppositionists (in his understanding). At the same time, a bunch of innocents were kneaded, but Stalin’s goal was precisely to clean up the country's governing bodies from hidden oppositionists of various stripes. Many did not like the emphasis on industrialization; under the NEP it was more convenient. To others, on the contrary, it seemed that Stalin had moved away from Leninist dogmas into a nationwide national policy, underestimated the role of the party — the Trotskyists, the radical Bolsheviks. Dare everyone. Everyone who interfered with industrialization. But Stalin considered industrialization to be the main goal of those years, since the country was a large village, unable to compete with the West and unable to survive the upcoming war. It was all given to us with great blood, but the result is a cosmic nuclear power.
        1. Lyubopyatov
          Lyubopyatov 19 July 2016 12: 06
          +5
          We must also realize in principle that the innocent "fell under the knee" due to the fact that the repressive apparatus in the provinces was entirely in the hands of the Trotskyists, and this apparatus was mowing down the Russian people on trumped-up charges. Stalin strove to mow down the Trokist fifth column, and that one strove to mow down the people at an advanced pace (and not only in the provinces, but there it had practically no interference).
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 19 July 2016 13: 59
            +3
            Quote: Lyubopyatov
            due to the fact that the repressive apparatus in the province was all in the hands of the Trotskyists, and this apparatus mowed Russian people on far-fetched charges.

            Well, I would not say so. Too straightforward and primitive. Directly only Trotskyists. No, it's harder here. Just in the wake of the cleansing, banal envious people climbed out. A neighbor's wife is prettier - I'll write a denunciation that he is an enemy of the people. Do you think there was no such thing? It was, and how. Household. And not only Stalin or the NKVD are to blame for this - they are to blame. Well, the Trotskyists too. Many wrote denunciations not for everyday reasons (envy, resentment), but precisely for ideological reasons - convinced Bolsheviks, sincerely confident that they were writing about an undisclosed enemy. Such one "convinced" scribbled everything on my grandfather. They called my grandfather "there". But they didn't. And then the one who wrote was taken away. So it goes. After all, there were children who dispossessed their parents. Another question is what the liberal propaganda of the 90s made of this fetish. Instead of objectively saying that yes, there was a purge, but there were excesses, there were mistakes, they fanned them out of repression as if it was the destruction of only the innocent, as if this was the goal of the bloodthirsty Stalin. Not at all. Just as always - the idea was correct, and the implementation of the idea exceeded reasonable limits. In general, the story is not black and white, it is colored.
    2. berezin1987
      berezin1987 19 July 2016 16: 04
      0
      The troops will not enter, otherwise get acquainted with the achievements of our rocket technology. And they don’t want to.
    3. Dm-sl
      Dm-sl 20 July 2016 11: 55
      -4
      Don’t drive Gref, he was handed over to the council and he made a normal bank out of it, which many commercial and foreign capital will not equal. What are the customer service centers, especially in comparison with the box office windows and the evil grandmothers in them that were before Gref.
  25. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 19 July 2016 09: 27
    +1
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: No one
    A few months later held throughout Ukraine a referendum on the reunification of Ukraine and Russia. Yanukovych gets the post of vice-president of the Russian Federation. A curtain!

    ----------------------
    Ostap suffered. So enchanting all painted. laughing

    You plus colleague!
  26. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 19 July 2016 09: 42
    +1
    Quote: No one
    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    And the "columns of unidentified tanks" could well meet the resistance of the militia of some kind of Poltava and Dnepropetrovsk Ukrainian people's republics.
    laughing laughing laughing Diana, go knit socks, cook borsch, there is no way to argue with you, I will die of laughter.

    Less to you bro. Go you cook borsch and knit
  27. Freeman
    Freeman 19 July 2016 09: 50
    +1
    ... if we are faced with the task of not seizing Ukraine, but quietly "squeezing out", then ...
    ... The military option is really unacceptable here.


    Support.

    ... But there is one feature of Ukraine, which gives a certain clue.
    ... These are Ukrainian oligarchs and elites close to them.
    ... Why not internal spies, tell me?


    But this no longer works. In the modern "global" world, what is "sold" is controlled not by the "buyer", but by the one who controls the place where the "egg-box" is stored. But it seems that "our elites" have not yet fully realized this and "temporarily lost Ukraine."

    Therefore, sadly, there is only one way so far -

    Quote: igordok
    Similar opinions sometimes pop up on the censor.
  28. saigon
    saigon 19 July 2016 10: 18
    +3
    I would like to note about Mr. Sun Tzu. His entire treatise worked in the field of the Chinese mentality. When China collided with the conquerors of another and, moreover, the Eastern culture, there was a failure. For example, the mass of the Gunas, Sanbiians, the Tang Dynasty (the founder is a nomad by his origin, whatever one may say), the Uighurs, Türks, Chzhurdzheni, the Manchurs seizing the Middle State, the treatises of Sun Tzu, somehow did not bother to read (and I suspect that they did not know how to read). So Sun Tzu's treatise is the answer to the order of its time and authorities. Good example English theorist Liddale Gard with his "strategy of indirect action"
    If you remember all the glorious freaks of Britain in the Second World War, the emergence of such theories becomes understandable. In principle, the Germans with their "strike on the main point" were much more effective.
  29. ver_
    ver_ 19 July 2016 10: 59
    0
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: No one
    A few months later held throughout Ukraine a referendum on the reunification of Ukraine and Russia. Yanukovych gets the post of vice-president of the Russian Federation. A curtain!

    ----------------------
    Ostap suffered. So enchanting all painted. laughing

    ..and immediately 12 pluses-goat verstein, which is not in that steppe ..
  30. akudr48
    akudr48 19 July 2016 11: 11
    +3
    "But if in the end we have the option that suits Russia, that is, us, in terms of bringing Ukraine into a divine form, then what difference does it make which methods will be used for this?"

    And what option, in the context of the already lasting more than 2-year destruction, will suit the inhabitants of Donbass, who continue to die under the shelling of Kiev?

    They do not care, they know the difference, unlike the author of the publication.

    And bring Ukraine into a divine form at the expense of the blood of the inhabitants of Donbass - is that also the difference?
  31. ver_
    ver_ 19 July 2016 11: 26
    0
    Quote: revnagan
    Here again, "plusanul", and jumped out "minus". It seems that there is no vote, the correction is in "manual mode" from the side.

    It has long been possible to understand this if you have a certain degree of observation. "there are black and red, what you like, there are lower and higher ones ,,," - there is such a card trick ..
  32. grandfather Mih
    grandfather Mih 19 July 2016 12: 09
    +3
    E-he-heh. Even with respect to other people's beliefs in the article. For me: what is the chancellor, so is Germany. "Crematorium" in the House of Trade Unions in Odessa, and other "cases" of the junta - with the blessing of the Chancellor. Reason, I will accept logic. The rest is not.
  33. Samoyed
    Samoyed 19 July 2016 12: 36
    +1
    The strength of Russia lies in persuading, and not imposing its own, as in exceptional ones. That’s why it’s big, because there are no exceptional ones. Each monastery has its own charter and this is correct. The name of the books is not important. For example, the Bibles are five ...
  34. Mestny
    Mestny 19 July 2016 15: 14
    +1
    Quote: No one
    What really confuses you in my comment? Or, apart from insults, nothing comes to your mind, just like Nick, who, apart from playing flat on my nickname and insulting, is probably no longer capable of anything.

    Words are what ... Actually, probably.
    Personally, I am confused by the complete lack of elementary knowledge. It seems that even schoolchildren imagine who Sun Tzu is. True, there is one caveat - not all, and only from a certain age of training.
    Ignorance of elementary things, complete with a spray of judgments about objects of a cosmic scale and corresponding stupidity, as a rule, implies in a vivid commentator either a minor or an adult male of a similar nature.
    1. Dm-sl
      Dm-sl 20 July 2016 11: 42
      +1
      Well, apart from accusations of not knowing Sun Tzu's personality, what basic things does he not know? And why did he spray? Cosmic scale and corresponding stupidity? - acquaintance with Bulgakov at the cinema? Dibil is not a property, it is a disease. Comparison with a student ... "from a certain learning age" ??? does learning have an age? As far as I know, Sun Tzu's treatises are not included in the school curriculum, but the list that appears in the first results of the search engine output, and called "10 books to seem smart" is included. But I recommend that you read not only the list itself, but also the books included in it. At least them. They say that visual memory can help in composing sentences and phrases, you can more competently express an idea and probably seem educated to someone.
  35. Pushkar
    Pushkar 19 July 2016 15: 28
    +2
    Thanks to the author for the article. Interesting version.
  36. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 19 July 2016 15: 45
    +8
    "A tricky plan", "outplayed everyone", "multi-move", and now they have dug up some Chinese too ...
    And where is Suvorov, Kutuzov, Ushakov, Zhukov? Thank God that they did not do everything with a "cunning plan". Otherwise we would have been a karachun long ago.
  37. Escanderm
    Escanderm 19 July 2016 17: 24
    0
    Quote: No one
    ... and then Sun fuck who understand, I do not know him and I do not want to know ...


    I think further there is no point in reading ..
    1. Dm-sl
      Dm-sl 20 July 2016 11: 26
      +2
      I’m interested in our commanders from Suvorov to Zhukov won solely on the tracts of Sun Tzu ??? Why did he become such authority? Winner of the kingdoms of Qi, Jin, Chu. A man who had only 30 thousand troops and no one in China could resist him ... Yes ... But note: in the kingdom of Jin, the army consisted of 10 thousand people ...
      1. sergor55
        sergor55 20 July 2016 12: 33
        -5
        that Suvorov, that Zhukov were "butchers", perhaps it was necessary, but the victories were Pirovs!
        But do not tell me why Suvorov received a generalisimus ???
        1. Dm-sl
          Dm-sl 21 July 2016 01: 03
          +1
          I see you developed after Kautsky.
          "Zina! There's a green book in the waiting room, the correspondence is called ... what's his name? ... Engels with that hell ... Into her stove!"
  38. loaln
    loaln 19 July 2016 19: 16
    0
    Good treatise. But somehow the Russian test test immediately comes to mind. Explicitly based on the Sun Tzu treatise.
    And if he obeys someone, I will take off my hat and bow.
    So, its shortened version (as a test for professional suitability):
    "Sun ...... and you-sun .....". Go for it! But without aids. Actually.
    1. Dm-sl
      Dm-sl 20 July 2016 11: 13
      +1
      And where are you such professionals, afraid to ask recruiting? Here we are looking at a diploma, what kind of university, what kind of ball, the topic of the diploma ... certificates, patents, publications, implemented projects. The test is probably still not Russian, but your shtetl-marginal, in kind.
  39. Karabin
    Karabin 19 July 2016 20: 14
    0
    Another author again pulled an owl on the globe out of a desire to see the positive in Ukrainian affairs. Now, Sun Tzu-style Chitroplane.
    I don’t know if the book of the famous commander and theorist Sun Tzu "The Art of War" was tabletop for Vladimir Vladimirovich. However, considering for almost three years everything that is happening in Ukraine, I am imbued with the thought that it was.

    The human thought process is not yet amenable to an unambiguous explanation. Maybe you were so carried away that you yourself, recently studied this work of the Chinese, and under the impression. It happens. And if VVP has not read Sun? Can't it be? He reads Ilyin, Solzhenitsin, and there are references to this. In speech, he uses courtyard expressions, such as "who got up earlier and slippers." Then all your writing is the aforementioned owl on the globe.
    Putin profiled Ukraine. If we consider him as the Ruler of Russia. Here he is on a par with Kolya II, Gorbach and Borey. If you look at his figure as if he were the partisan president in the Kremlin catacombs, who cannot yet, not yet have time, then of course you can attract both Sun, Lun and the Marquis de Sade.
    1. Dm-sl
      Dm-sl 20 July 2016 11: 08
      +1
      Probably Putin, whatever one may say, has neither the Russian Empire nor the USSR. Partisan, like a partisan))). In Vladivostok, on the central square, there are monuments to neither Lenin nor the Great Naval Commanders, namely the partisans. Do you remember the song "The division marched forward along the valleys and over the hills ..."? and the refrain "Partisan detachments occupied the cities." Uncle Vova is not a bad partisan, whatever one may say)
  40. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 19 July 2016 20: 41
    +4
    I love, respect, honor Suvorov ... I love, respect, honor Kutuzov ... I love Alexander Nevsky, respect, honor ... Dmitry Donskoy, Vladimir Krasno Solnyshko, Alexander Pokryshkin, Peter Ivanovich Bagration, Dmitry Pozharsky love, respect, honor. ..
    And if we have such generals and heroes, then why do we need the yellow bones of some ancient Chinese ?!
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 19 July 2016 22: 48
      +2
      Quote: Old Fuck
      And if we have such generals and heroes, then why do we need the yellow bones of some ancient Chinese ?!

      The shame of failure, stupidity, greed and betrayal cover. Alexander Nevsky is somehow not comme il faut.
      1. Svyatoslavich
        Svyatoslavich 20 July 2016 10: 41
        0
        And if we have such generals and heroes, then why do we need the yellow bones of some ancient Chinese ?!

        The shame of failure, stupidity, greed and betrayal cover. Alexander Nevsky is somehow not comme il faut.


        Two best comments among the abundance of flooding.
      2. Dm-sl
        Dm-sl 20 July 2016 11: 01
        +1
        Exactly. Some philosophize others win.
  41. Torins
    Torins 19 July 2016 22: 56
    +2
    Quote: No one
    What is the next Maidan? Why should he be if Ukraine became part of the Russian Federation, which has a strong higher power.

    Oh god how much teenage naivety in your words fool
    Well, let's say Russia captured Ukraine with tanks, and then what? Are Russia and Ukraine the only countries in the world? And you think nobody cares what happens in the world?
  42. titto69
    titto69 20 July 2016 06: 31
    -1
    In addition to Sun Tzu, it would be nice to know Lao Tzu too. DAO DE JING
  43. thorns
    thorns 20 July 2016 07: 17
    +1
    Quote: No one
    What other militia, what republics, none of this was, it is the fruit of your sick imagination. A column of armored vehicles moving at high speed to Kiev, while no one could stand in her way or delay, let alone stop. The military could calmly enter the city, restore constitutional order there and restore legal power

    It was smooth on paper. The experience of "tank columns" already exists. Moscow. GKChP. Grozny. Chechnya. And Turkey won't hurt either. The introduction of tanks into the city will cause a huge wave of indignation. Tanks in the city have to crush people, I know this from myself. On the third day of the State Emergency Committee, I stood on the bridge near the hotel "Ukraine". And not because of Yeltsin. He was as far from me as Pluto. Indignation at the seizure of power was little embarrassing. We were waiting. I am an engineer then. There was a woman - an accountant. The deputy came to the bridge and said: there is a KGB airborne division and that the tanks should not be blocked. What about you. We will stand. We waited. An hour later, the deputy came again and said that the division had refused to go to Moscow. They asked not to disperse. The famous automatic fire of a frightened soldier rang out. The woman turned to me: "Well, thank God! It's begun." Who was in the war knows the value of expectations.
    Now about you, Nobody. "Everything is very easy and simple, for small children" Uncle Stepa is a policeman. Apart from Semyon Mikhailovich Divan-Budyonny, you cannot be named. Yes, I was given the only food for you in those years - there was breast milk
    1. Dm-sl
      Dm-sl 20 July 2016 09: 42
      0
      What should I call you? The herd that took to the streets to support the bastard that was destroying the country? Indignation gripped them, here the hairy-headed ones also gripped indignation, with the fact that the yanyk was shitting on a gold toilet, with all the consequences. And then for me and millions of boys across the country, the only food was a piece of bread, on holidays, with sugar and nicotine so that I didn't want to eat. Our fathers in Siberia and the Far East really worked hard, and did not complain about life under the USSR, and did not demand "Freedom" - there was something to do. And you, well-fed Muscovites, wanted from America's boredom. In the same way, out of boredom, stupidity and curiosity, this woman next to you said, "Well, thank God! It has begun." I’ll tell you so, they would crush you brainless tanks, but everyone would be indignant and forget. But maybe the country would be kept. And the result of the fact that a couple of thousand were not crushed, millions were killed and tens of millions were not born. There is no greater sin and vice in power (or claiming it) than weakness. In Budapest, they did not once again bazaar and gusli for the outraged. And another 35 years of a quiet, well-fed life for the Czechoslovakians themselves. Well, now the Czech Republic is known for its whores. Go to no, look at the daughters of your peers.
      1. Dmitriy66
        Dmitriy66 20 July 2016 12: 47
        +3
        Would you sit in a tank to crush people? it is not so easy from experience, and the mechanics were boys in the tanks green. Second: in Moscow it was not full, neither in 91, nor in 93, and according to yours, only in Siberia the nation-wide happiness was forged? Alas, you are deuce. Sit down.
        1. Svyatoslavich
          Svyatoslavich 20 July 2016 13: 09
          -2
          Second: in Moscow it was not full, neither in 91 nor in 93
          So what follows from this?
          Where was it full?

          ... forged nationwide happiness? Alas, you are deuce. Sit down.
          And who are you to put deuces?
          The generally recognized blacksmith of "national happiness"?
          1. Dmitriy66
            Dmitriy66 20 July 2016 13: 18
            0
            Unas a free country, I want, I bet, you want, you bet! Who can forbid me?
    2. Svyatoslavich
      Svyatoslavich 20 July 2016 11: 08
      0
      The famous gunfire of a frightened soldier rang out. The woman turned to me: "Well, thank God! It's begun." Who was in the war knows the value of expectations.
      And where were you all in October 1993?
  44. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 20 July 2016 07: 34
    -1
    The author is clever! Bravo, Roman! Once again I am convinced of your erudition and your ability to "make a very" tactful and soft "" hard bed "! Thank you and again BRAVO !!!
    1. Dm-sl
      Dm-sl 20 July 2016 09: 26
      +1
      It is not a great merit to look smart with readers who do not care that 2 + 2 = 4, they need 5 and they applaud those who have been able to indirectly prove this by various casuistry.
  45. Dm-sl
    Dm-sl 20 July 2016 08: 12
    +2
    Yes, the resource has become a reserve of the stubborn, it has become monotonous. Not as radical as the censor yet, but soon ... Damn, would you play with Bigmir, at least))) That would be a massacre ... Maybe the forum could be washed down ??? TOPWAR WS CENSOR ??? You are probably ready.
  46. sergor55
    sergor55 20 July 2016 12: 09
    +2
    An article that doesn’t have to fuss, will everything settle down?
    and thousands of dead in Donetsk and Lugansk?
    and dozens of those killed in Odessa?
    and hundreds tortured to the SBU?
    How to measure this? I did not understand from this article!
    1. Svyatoslavich
      Svyatoslavich 20 July 2016 13: 14
      -2
      An article that doesn’t have to fuss, will everything settle down?
      Tipo so.
      NiSy - the cunning Pu-Qin did everything according to Sun Tzu.

      and thousands of dead in Donetsk and Lugansk?
      and dozens of those killed in Odessa?
      and hundreds tortured to the SBU?
      It's time to write off the scrap. (Silence. Forget. Forgive.)
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 20 July 2016 18: 34
      +2
      Quote: sergor55
      How to measure this?

      No way. But there is no war without sacrifices. It’s cruel, but in a different way, because Ukraine is not an adversary, but a battlefield. The enemy is the United States.
    3. Michael_Zverev
      Michael_Zverev 21 July 2016 19: 00
      0
      Quote: sergor55
      An article that doesn’t have to fuss, will everything settle down?
      It seems so.
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  48. Alekseev
    Alekseev 20 July 2016 13: 20
    0
    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    delirium outrages!

    Yes, baby talk.
    Columns rush in, led by the obkazannym Yanukovych and his faithful pro-Russian bulks ...
    Where to get the columns? Not in the "courses" that urgently just started to restore the troops abolished by fart?
    Or that of that Yanukovych a fighter with banderlogs like from a ... bullet.
    Or is it that at least 50 percent of the people of the territory are completely offigel, and about 20 percent have always been ofigel?
    Lepetuly, however ...
    As they correctly write above, now it is necessary to sip on "peresichnye" and "svidomye" Bandera at the very least.
    And then everything else.
    1. Svyatoslavich
      Svyatoslavich 20 July 2016 13: 47
      0
      And where to get the columns?
      And where did they come in August 2008?
    2. Svyatoslavich
      Svyatoslavich 20 July 2016 14: 20
      -2
      As they correctly write above, now it is necessary to sip on "peresichnye" and "svidomye" Bandera at the very least.
      Yes of course...
      we have a hundred years left to wait for them to "sip".
      In the meantime, they have not drank enough, they will justify all their failures on the way to "united Europe" by the cunning of the cunning Pu-Qing (and Sun Tzu).
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 20 July 2016 16: 57
        0
        we have a hundred years left to wait for them to "sip".


        but where are you in a hurry? Time works for us. Some let them jump, others welcome the waves of migrants, and third of the jerboas, anti-bear units
  49. ars_pro
    ars_pro 20 July 2016 18: 17
    -2
    Good day to all! An interesting article, to some extent a strategy is justified and thought out where every step is weighed and, in principle, calculated, but how, in my opinion, does not fit into the general behavior of dominance, in relation to the Russian Federation towards Ukraine on the topic of Donbass, at least at the initial stage of development conflict, because in that phase when it was possible to do something the Russian Federation showed itself to be "weak" in terms of dominance, missing many positions, but now, when it is hardly possible to do something directly, the use of Sun Szi's strategy looks more or less understandable , in some sense, even as justifying the inaction of the RF. Eh ... the thought is not exhausted but you have to go
  50. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 20 July 2016 18: 35
    +1
    Not by Sun Tzu, but by Sun Take Out! laughing