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Ukraine, in cooperation with the "Middle Eastern partners", has gathered to produce analogues of the Javelin ATGM

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A subsidiary of Ukrspetsexport GC, the state-owned Ukrinmash firm, declares its readiness to manufacture counterparts of the American Javelin anti-tank missile systems. The head of the company, Alexander Slusarenko, said that for this, Ukrinmash is going to cooperate with certain "Middle Eastern partners." Slyusarenko statement cites Ukrainian business portal UAprom:


We work with the Middle East, in particular, we are planning to jointly produce an anti-tank complex, an analog of Javelin.




At the same time, the head of Ukrinmash did not disclose which specific “Middle Eastern partners” are ready to enter into cooperation for the production of analogues of the American ATGM, and whether they are ready at all.

Ukrinmash is a company specializing in the export and import of weapons since 1991. Besides weapons and the military equipment of the Ukrainian state-owned company is engaged in the sale of dual-use products, as well as participating in modern promotions for the "popularization of the Ukrainian stories».

So, press office The company has recently released a release that speaks of "supporting the intellectual sphere." The material reports on the financing of the project of Gennady Efimenko, a member of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, in which he talks about the population of Donbass at the beginning of the 20s of the last century.

From the material:
According to the historian, an analysis of the census of the population and documents of the beginning of 20 of the 20th century shows that among the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions the Ukrainian population always prevailed. Its share was more than 50% in the pre-revolutionary period, when this territory was part of the Russian Empire, and under the USSR, and under independent Ukraine. Thus, the historian asserts, the “Russian Donbass” is an artificially created concept that does not correspond to historical truth.


After such statements it becomes clear: the rumors that Mr. Efimenko is a historian are too exaggerated ...
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  1. tiredwithall
    tiredwithall 8 July 2016 08: 30
    +4
    The remnants of the Ukrainian defense industry are reoriented to the west. The real loss of Ukraine is in full swing or, more correctly, continues.
    1. olegfbi
      olegfbi 8 July 2016 08: 33
      +4
      Ukraine, in cooperation with the "Middle Eastern partners", has gathered to produce analogues of the Javelin ATGM

      The most interesting thing about all this is that they can really repeat / copy the complex. Let the result be slightly worse than the original.
      Many, very many ruins still have specialists, workers, engineers with serious experience and innovative thinking ...
      1. Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 8 July 2016 08: 40
        +1
        How? Is microelectronics and element base so developed in Ukraine? To create your own missiles you need to have a good industry and institutions that I will develop these missiles well or adapt to your needs. And most importantly - the brains of people who will be engaged in all this business. And on the outskirts there is neither one nor the other nor the third. And in the near foreseeable future is not expected.
        1. olegfbi
          olegfbi 8 July 2016 08: 45
          +5
          Believe me, I know exactly what I'm talking about and not from third parties, but from personal experience!
          A lot of options !!!
          People with experience are there. As an element base, you can use Chinese and / or Taiwanese components. Etching the board is not a problem at all!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 8 July 2016 08: 58
            +3
            It's strange. And why then do they have to use Soviet developments for their high-precision weapons? For example, UAS "Kvitnik". Soviet semi-active laser seeker. The same applies to aircraft armament ...

            It is easy to etch the circuit board ... But with the IR-GOS, there may be some sickly problems 8)))
          2. Gray brother
            Gray brother 8 July 2016 09: 00
            +3
            Quote: olegfbi
            . As an element base, you can use Chinese and / or Taiwanese components. Etching the board is not a problem at all!

            Even it seems to me that the Javelin ATGM will be more complicated than the mobiles assembled in the basement of Uncle Liao.
          3. just exp
            just exp 8 July 2016 09: 45
            +3
            og. we have already seen the Chinese intercoms on the Azov prodigy tanks.
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 8 July 2016 08: 44
        +1
        Quote: olegfbi
        The most interesting thing about all this is that they can really repeat the complex.

        Before that, they called their "Stugna" an analogue of Saint Javelin, despite the fact that the functionality there is completely different.
        If the Middle Eastern partners help them with camels, the camel is tall and you can hit armored vehicles from above from behind.
        So far, they have managed to repeat only one complex:
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 8 July 2016 11: 27
          +1
          Quote: Gray Brother
          Quote: olegfbi
          The most interesting thing about all this is that they can really repeat the complex.

          Before that, they called their "Stugna" an analogue of Saint Javelin, despite the fact that the functionality there is completely different.
          If the Middle Eastern partners help them with camels, the camel is tall and you can hit armored vehicles from above from behind.
          So far, they have managed to repeat only one complex:

          Middle Eastern country is the same Israel, if that.
      3. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 8 July 2016 11: 57
        +1
        Quote: olegfbi
        Ukraine, in cooperation with the "Middle Eastern partners", has gathered to produce analogues of the Javelin ATGM

        The most interesting thing about all this is that they can really repeat / copy the complex. Let the result be slightly worse than the original.
        Many, very many ruins still have specialists, workers, engineers with serious experience and innovative thinking ...

        In addition, it is possible that the technology may simply transfer urkaine to spoil Russia. Russia would be better off creating its analogue, and not be proud that it is not urine.
    2. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 8 July 2016 08: 39
      +1
      tiredwithall what the hell reorientation? Just name please at least successfully completed five projects in the last 3 years. After such slogans, I have an association with the toast from "Prisoner of the Caucasus" - my father wanted to buy a house. but could only buy a goat !!
      1. tiredwithall
        tiredwithall 8 July 2016 08: 48
        +1
        I can testify that science in Ukraine, although in serious condition, still exists. The mass of institutes at NASU still works, and universities do not sleep in a hat. There is not much money for serious R&D, but projects like Javelin are still quite real, and diverse scientific work is available (which means there are competent specialists and, as soon as they are given funding, the results will be, which is quite possible we see in the article). Well, if VO does not talk about the modest successes of Ukrainian developers, then this is understandable - VO tea is not an abstract journal.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 July 2016 08: 59
          +2
          Quote: tiredwithall
          There is not much money for serious R&D, but projects like "Javelin" are still quite real.

          Do you consider the creation of a third-generation complex from scratch something "frivolous" ???
          1. tilix
            tilix 8 July 2016 09: 19
            +1
            creation from scratch
            Well, why from scratch, and Stugna?
          2. tiredwithall
            tiredwithall 8 July 2016 09: 29
            +1
            Serious projects that were carried out in Ukraine earlier are Mriya or rocket engines at Yuzhmash. And I didn't call Javelin "frivolous." Both the term and the quotes are yours. I consider the project relatively small and quite good, but against us.
            1. DartVerter
              DartVerter 8 July 2016 12: 01
              0
              Mriya was not made in Ukraine, but in the USSR. This is not the same thing)
              1. tiredwithall
                tiredwithall 8 July 2016 14: 36
                -2
                Quote: DartWerther
                Mriya was not made in Ukraine, but in the USSR. This is not the same thing)

                I fully agree with you that Ukraine is not the same as the USSR. To be precise, Ukraine in the form of a union republic was part of the USSR. The base on which the aforementioned projects were carried out went from 91 to independent Ukraine. Therefore, the phrase "Mriya was made not in Ukraine, but in the USSR" is partially correct.
      2. The comment was deleted.
    3. Coconut
      Coconut 8 July 2016 08: 43
      +2
      and why the West Ukrainian military industrial complex they have nowhere to put their weapons ... half of the world they failed No.
      1. tiredwithall
        tiredwithall 8 July 2016 15: 05
        -1
        You asked a very deep and voluminous question. It’s hard to answer briefly, but I’ll try.
        1. The war in its current form requires real-time scientific support. The armament is being improved literally in the course of hostilities, and enterprises cannot promptly and fully improve their products or upgrade existing ones without the support of science. Therefore, with the outbreak of war in the Donbass, the colonial government of Ukraine took a number of steps to stop the destruction of its own defense industry. In particular, orders were received by Kharkiv tank builders, tank repair plants, which began to actively modernize armored vehicles - there was a lot of information about this in the last two years.
        2. The oligarchs who seized property are interested in making a profit. The sale of weapons, both inherited from the USSR and newly produced, is a profitable business. Ukraine is a rather notable exporter of modern weapons. Therefore, the presence of weapons in warehouses does not cancel its production, modernization and sale. All these are parallel processes. And the West does not acquire Ukrainian weapons, there are simpler buyers.
    4. Andrey K
      Andrey K 8 July 2016 08: 45
      +5
      Quote: tiredwithall
      The remnants of the Ukrainian defense industry are reoriented to the west. The real loss of Ukraine is in full swing or, more correctly, continues.

      A colleague, something that can produce something and offer potential buyers can be reoriented. And here, there is a complete degradation of scientific and technological thought. Specialists from the non-state 404 have fallen to the point that through the Arabs, they are trying to create a joint venture to clone the already created one. Not the fact that the Arabs will want to get dirty.
      Shameful.
      1. tiredwithall
        tiredwithall 8 July 2016 08: 57
        +2
        Quote: Andrey K
        And here, there is a complete degradation of scientific and technological thought. Specialists from the non-state 404 have fallen to the point that through the Arabs, they are trying to create a joint venture to clone the already created one. Not the fact that the Arabs will want to get dirty.
        Shameful.


        There is a degradation of scientific and technical thought in Ukraine, but it is not 100%. The scope of science left over from the USSR is enormous. Dying is long, the losses are great, but most likely it will not reach its limit. There are a number of reasons for this. First of all, the small war in the Donbass and the preparation of a large war with Russia (Georgia, as we know, did not complete the task in 2008). This forces the Ukrainian government, at the very least, to fund its science. The second reason is that the owners of money are forced to promote their dill project in this situation, and the destruction of science is too negatively resonant for them. Well, with the Arabs, I’m sure only a local attempt to earn extra money quickly. But underestimating the potential enemy’s potential is fraught with a loss of head after throwing a hat.
    5. vkl.47
      vkl.47 8 July 2016 09: 12
      +2
      let me please javelins will do 《Lenin's forge》 laughing in the next workshop along with 《dungster》
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 8 July 2016 16: 33
        +1
        Quote: vkl.47
        let me please the javelins will do 《Lenin's forge》 in the next workshop along with 《dungster цем

        They have a cargo cult, on the basis of javelin addiction, formed. They already did, the Ukrainian designers of the Korsar ATGM from which it was possible to launch from the shoulder, but the principle of "fire and forget" was not implemented there until the rocket reached - stop, buddy, with a pipe on your shoulder, wait for an olive tree.
    6. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 July 2016 10: 08
      -1
      It has long been lost - the beginning of the loss of the 30th year, and now this process is ending - already irrevocably.
  2. Riv
    Riv 8 July 2016 08: 35
    +3
    Does anyone else take seriously the statements of Ukrainians?
  3. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 8 July 2016 08: 36
    +1
    Mom dear, hold me all, otherwise he will burst with laughter: - "Where is the javelin, and where is Ridna Nenka and K."
  4. Primipilus
    Primipilus 8 July 2016 08: 37
    +5
    Middle Eastern partners is ISIS?
  5. Engineer
    Engineer 8 July 2016 08: 38
    +3
    It’s such high technology for the Ukrainian industry that you don’t have to wait for anything before the next decade, and this provided that in the next decade they will live like under Yanukovych
  6. Abbra
    Abbra 8 July 2016 08: 42
    -1
    They would have a collapse in the economy and minds, a way to make a slingshot ...
  7. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 8 July 2016 08: 43
    +2
    All three "Middle Eastern partners", namely Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, do not return so that ukroina makes and supplies them with ATGM for their money laughing .
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 8 July 2016 08: 50
    +4
    You can’t laugh here. there are three ways to develop anti-tank systems (fired and forgot) now:
    1 type Javelin with, in fact, "a thermal imager in a rocket
    2. type spike with imager in cancer
    Fiber correction
    3. They are trying to implement in the Russian Federation equipping the ATGM guidance system with "brains" for homing. In this case, you can use conventional ATGMs.

    The first two are undeniably progressive, but equally costly. Here the Russian Federation may not be able to draw on an analogue of Javelin, we would have equipped simple ATGMs and Tanks with thermal imagers, and Ukraine, probably, is a rich state.
  9. vadimtt
    vadimtt 8 July 2016 08: 55
    +5
    New Bandera ATGM YakJavelin with laser control by wire ...
  10. K-50
    K-50 8 July 2016 08: 56
    +1
    According to the historian, the analysis of the census and documents of the early 20s of the 50th century suggests that among the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions the Ukrainian population has always prevailed. Its share was more than XNUMX%

    Hey, historian !!!!
    Nothing that such a thing as Ukraine did not exist then? It was Little Russia, like Belarus!
    Therefore, it is stupid to talk about what was not !!!! fool laughing
  11. brasist
    brasist 8 July 2016 09: 02
    +1
    Yes, it turns out that the stripes started up the whole bourd with horror stories and then with the exercises to give (broth) hohland?
  12. Nord2015
    Nord2015 8 July 2016 09: 02
    +1
    Very often in Ukraine one hears about this “Javelin”, well, it’s just a fetish. They all see Russian tank columns. Something of the Third Reich is recalled with their weapons of retaliation.
  13. Coconut
    Coconut 8 July 2016 09: 07
    0
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Quote: olegfbi
    The most interesting thing about all this is that they can really repeat the complex.

    Before that, they called their "Stugna" an analogue of Saint Javelin, despite the fact that the functionality there is completely different.
    If the Middle Eastern partners help them with camels, the camel is tall and you can hit armored vehicles from above from behind.
    So far, they have managed to repeat only one complex:

    I agree one hundred percent wassat
  14. Shuttle
    Shuttle 8 July 2016 09: 11
    +4
    Analogue? This is "Spear" and in the original it does not fly 100%. And then there's the "Middle Eastern" coming out "analogue. In my opinion, the Americans decided to merge not only their warehouse Javelins, but also spare parts for them.

    1. Professor
      Professor 8 July 2016 14: 35
      -3
      Quote: Shuttle
      This is "Spear" and in the original it does not fly 100%.

      Was it supposed to fly in your video or did it just work as intended? In your opinion, is this necessarily a system failure?
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 8 July 2016 18: 18
        0
        Quote: Professor
        In your opinion, is this necessarily a system failure?

        But what about everything, including the operator, after spitting, they begin to dig through holes, eh?
        1. Professor
          Professor 8 July 2016 18: 59
          +1
          Quote: cherkas.oe
          But what about everything, including the operator, after spitting, they begin to dig through holes, eh?

          The basic Instinct. The warhead is not cocked and they are not in danger.
  15. sgr291158
    sgr291158 8 July 2016 09: 11
    0
    The empty-headed ones are all puffing and trying to prove that they can be useful to someone. Yes, everyone has already beaten you, you’re tired of it already.
  16. JonnyT
    JonnyT 8 July 2016 09: 20
    +4
    produce????? even said loudly. But to assemble the finished units and pack them in boxes - yes. And even more real - the supply of ready-made javelins from Arabia, Jordan, and for the public supposedly Ukrainian production ....... a gray scheme for the supply of offensive weapons
  17. Wedmak
    Wedmak 8 July 2016 09: 21
    +2
    And what not tomahawks? Or, what is the point of tactical nuclear missiles? Guys, what are you talking about. Science may have remained. In the minds And there are good designers. They sit at home without a salary. Even I admit, with some strain, they will assemble a working prototype. On the knee, using a soldering iron, a hammer and some kind of mother. But before the release of the serial will not reach.
    Well, Ukraine does not have money for this now, and you can’t sell such products anywhere, because there is no trust in the manufacturer. Yes, and little trust in cooperation, a very unreliable partner.
  18. sergey2017
    sergey2017 8 July 2016 09: 23
    +1
    Quote: Corsair0304
    How? Is microelectronics and element base so developed in Ukraine? To create your own missiles you need to have a good industry and institutions that I will develop these missiles well or adapt to your needs. And most importantly - the brains of people who will be engaged in all this business. And on the outskirts there is neither one nor the other nor the third. And in the near foreseeable future is not expected.

    Ukraine cannot create its missiles, because development of the main components, all remains in Russia! Ukraine was mainly engaged in the production of components for missiles. The post-Soviet professional personnel of the defense industry in Ukraine remained in small numbers, but they can’t start a production line of the Javelin analogue only when co-production with the US specialists - the states are doing everything possible to transfer Ukraine to your lethal weapons including anti-tank systems!
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 8 July 2016 09: 37
      +1
      The states are doing everything possible to transfer Ukraine to their lethal weapons, including anti-tank systems!

      Just the other day, the USA in the person of Biden recognized the true goal in Ukraine:
      The key interest for us is the Crimea, which was controlled by Kiev until 2014. This region could serve as an excellent military base for NATO and the US troops themselves.

      So there will be no talks about Ukraine transferring to NATO, they only needed Crimea to control the Black Sea. No Crimea, no cookies.

      We are looking for the proposal "Biden demanded that Poroshenko return Crimea and make a NATO military base there."
      1. potroshenko
        potroshenko 8 July 2016 12: 17
        0
        Quote: Wedmak
        Just the other day, the USA in the person of Biden recognized the true goal in Ukraine:
        The key interest for us is the Crimea, which was controlled by Kiev until 2014. This region could serve as an excellent military base for NATO and the US troops themselves.


        We are looking for the proposal "Biden demanded that Poroshenko return Crimea and make a NATO military base there."

        Well, fake, why are you posting such rotten yellowness? Or maybe bother to look for a link to the source?
  19. sergo1914
    sergo1914 8 July 2016 09: 32
    0
    What will they call this product? How? Discover the secret. In the same place, in the brain, all logical connections are severed. Well, not by "Bandera's Hand" ..
  20. mlad
    mlad 8 July 2016 09: 35
    +1
    Javelin is certainly an excellent complex, but very expensive, and repeating it even if there is an opportunity is even more expensive. The main advantage of Javelin, shot and forgot, but never read about the destruction of even the calculation of the little ones in conflicts. Turning the barrel of a modern tank with automation towards the laser beam does not mean its automatic destruction. Therefore, the competition will be no worse than any Javelin there.
  21. crasever
    crasever 8 July 2016 09: 41
    0
    In a large slingshot, a sledgehammer instead of a stone - that’s the analogue of Javelin in Western style!
  22. pas682010
    pas682010 8 July 2016 09: 48
    0
    And it will turn out, as in that joke, a steam locomotive!
  23. grandson of Perun
    grandson of Perun 8 July 2016 09: 53
    +1
    Quote: olegfbi
    The most interesting thing about all this is that they can really repeat / copy the complex.

    It is unlikely that overseas curators will allow the outskirts to compete with them in the arms market with copies of javelin wink
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 July 2016 10: 14
      0
      China is allowed, a copy has appeared from it, Ukraine can acquire GOS, just from the Chinese for Middle Eastern grandmothers.
  24. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 8 July 2016 10: 22
    0
    "Ukraine, in cooperation with its Middle Eastern partners, is going to produce analogues of the Javelin ATGM".

    Why does Ukraine need javelins, if it is written in black and white that any Gritsko can easily knock out forty-nine Russian T-90s from the Kalash, and simply beat the fiftieth with the butt to death?
  25. Antimif
    Antimif 8 July 2016 11: 15
    +1
    Why talk about your problems and even more so try to solve them, because there is Hohland !! Well, what’s there with Ukrainians ?? It’s bad with us, but the Ukrainians are even worse, that's great ah !!
  26. verb
    verb 8 July 2016 11: 45
    +1
    I will not talk about the "scientific nature" of Efimtsev's delights. Let the poet say:
  27. Antimif
    Antimif 8 July 2016 12: 03
    0
    What a poet, such is the people.
  28. Shuttle
    Shuttle 8 July 2016 13: 32
    0
    Quote: JonnyT
    produce????? even said loudly. But to assemble the finished units and pack them in boxes - yes. And even more real - the supply of ready-made javelins from Arabia, Jordan, and for the public supposedly Ukrainian production ....... a gray scheme for the supply of offensive weapons

    In! That's it. The Asadites showed with their "birdhouses" what these Javelins are worth. Now they need to die somewhere that they managed to buy. So they organize a production desk with Gunpowder. Why else are there such partners in the Middle East?