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Rosgvardiya experiencing combat hangers

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Since the beginning of the year, the Federal Service of National Guard (FSFVN) has been conducting a search for the Search-06 MSN deltalet, a hang-glider with an engine and a two-seater cabin equipped with a machine gun, a night-vision device and a television camera, News with reference to the representative office.




“At the moment, we have already received several delta pallets, which we have been testing since the beginning of this year,” a representative of the FSFVN told the newspaper.

“They were looking for a so-called“ tactical niche ”for delta guns, they determined which combat tasks they could solve and how effectively they needed to install equipment and weapons on the aircraft. At present, this stage has already been completed, and now we are conducting flight tests, including with the use of on-board armament, ”explained the source.

According to him, “for solving percussion problems, a four-barreled rapid-fire gun was installed on board the deltale aviation a machine gun, and on special suspension units installed on the cockpit, you can hang aircraft bombs of various masses, up to two hundred kilograms. "

“The main peculiarity of the deltalet is that during the flight it is practically unheard of, and at night and in bad weather conditions it is not visually distinguishable against the sky. For takeoff and landing, even if there is cargo on board the Search or equipment is installed, it takes only a few meters of unprepared flat surface, ”said the source.

He noted that "depending on the task performed by the crew of the delta flight, the second place in his cabin can be used to accommodate the airborne operator, paratrooper or place a load there."

Help edition: “Search-06MSN” is intended for delivery of cargo and personnel by parachute and landing method, conducting reconnaissance of the area using tracking systems and visual observation. To solve these problems, a television camera combined with a thermal imager and night vision device was mounted in the nose of an ultra-light aircraft.

Equipped with a 10-meter wing, the device is capable of speeding up to 125 km / h and rising to a height of 4 thousand meters. The mass of the structure with filled fuel is approximately 285 kg, and the take-off weight is more than 500 kg. At the same time, the “Search” can fly even in rather complicated weather conditions, in particular, with a head wind in 12 m / s and side wind in 6 m / s. ”
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Alexey Golenishchev
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  1. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 5 July 2016 11: 16
    +8
    Machine gun and bombs are superfluous, in my opinion
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 5 July 2016 11: 24
      +11
      Quote: Knizhnik
      Machine gun and bombs are superfluous, in my opinion

      Deltos would be useful in military intelligence.
      1. Knizhnik
        Knizhnik 5 July 2016 11: 27
        +7
        In theory, his main weapon is stealth. Intelligence is the most.
        1. cniza
          cniza 5 July 2016 11: 32
          +9
          Something is somehow not clear, the special equipment is good, especially in hard-to-reach places, but bombing ...?
          1. nils
            nils 5 July 2016 12: 04
            +1
            Quote: cniza
            Something is somehow not clear


            Federal service of troops National Guard (FSVNG).

            In fact, in order to become a guardsman it must be earned.
            For what such merits did this armed formation become a guard?

            Why did this formation become national? What nation are we talking about?
            Why are they allowed to shoot at a people called a mob? What kind of people are we protecting?
            What kind of enemy is "terrorism" that appeared after the special action. services to blow up twin towers in the United States?
            Isn't there too many why?
            1. Jack-b
              Jack-b 6 July 2016 05: 11
              +1
              Quote: nils
              Isn't there too many why?

              It is from laziness to read the laws. Everything is freely available. Read, comprehend.
              Shl. "Guard" and "guard" are different concepts. "Guards regiment" is not a "guard".
          2. Buffet
            Buffet 5 July 2016 16: 05
            +2
            He carried a large bird ... 3 times he shot until he let go. Motor trike is called however!
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        3. x.andvlad
          x.andvlad 5 July 2016 11: 41
          +11
          I would not have so easily claimed that with 10 meter wings it is hardly noticeable. In clear weather, the paratrooper can be seen for several kilometers. And in bad weather on this deltopet and fly dumbly.
        4. evgenii67
          evgenii67 5 July 2016 11: 44
          +6
          Quote: Knizhnik
          In theory, his main weapon is stealth. Intelligence is the most.

          I remembered the movie with M. Evdokimov "About the businessman Foma"when Thomas wanted to dispute a tractor over a river for a dispute, he eventually drowned the tractor, after which the chairman asked Thomas: he climbed into the river on a tractor, and Thomas supposedly wanted to jump on it, which the chairman _"WELL, THERE IS A BRIDGE !!!"
          So it is here: Well, UAVS ARE THERE !!! about stealth, oh how I doubt the noiselessness of these blades, and the size of the glider is larger than any Russian UAV. here to move some insignificant but very necessary cargoes to hard-to-reach places, or evacuation of the injured, yes!
          1. Knizhnik
            Knizhnik 5 July 2016 12: 02
            +4
            from to move some insignificant but very necessary goods to hard-to-reach places - yes!

            This is precisely what is meant. In addition, we are talking about double hang gliders, i.e. the ability to transport two people. Special tool, that’s it.
            1. Midshipman
              Midshipman 5 July 2016 14: 52
              +1
              For these purposes, it will be much more convenient to have an aeroshute. The Jews did so, and even stuck an autopilot in it.
          2. Moore
            Moore 5 July 2016 12: 10
            +1
            I agree about the drones. With one "but".
            Since the time of the GPU, the NKVD-MGB-VV-RG has been entrusted with the functions of guarding facilities, anti-sabotage, and other activities related to the search, blocking, combing of terrain and other traffic jam.
            So, in principle, it would not be out of place, I think, in the course of a search (in our case, an air one, supplementing ground-based measures) to have the possibility of fire destruction of the enemy in real time.
            Naturally, with the development of shock drones, these pepelats will become a thing of the past. But now everything will be useful in the PDM: they, and cavalry patrols, and bikers in the form of "destroyer battalions" - everything that has mobility can be armed and used in territorial defense.
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      2. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 5 July 2016 11: 34
        +7
        And also the evacuation of the wounded at the same "golden hour".
      3. Professor
        Professor 5 July 2016 12: 25
        +8
        Quote: razmik72
        Deltos would be useful in military intelligence.

        What kind of intelligence do they need? Drones banned by law? request
        1. dr.Bo
          dr.Bo 5 July 2016 13: 07
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          What kind of intelligence do they need? Drones banned by law?

          I think that we are talking about the delivery of a reconnaissance officer in difficultly accessible areas. drinks
          1. Professor
            Professor 5 July 2016 13: 14
            +3
            Quote: dr.Bo
            I think that we are talking about the delivery of a reconnaissance officer in difficultly accessible areas.

            What an "original" idea, however. In fact, the scouts can be delivered by a turntable and dropped off with a parachute, but a hang glider is purely for suicide bombers who are not going to return alive. We have already gone through this.
            By the way, my former boss has a buck. We periodically fly with him. Kaifa a lot, the practical application of zero.

            PS
            -- And how did you come up with this? Well, with hang gliders?

            - We were the first not only with hang gliders, but in general with martyrdom type operations! Usually how. You say to the fighter: you are going on such and such an operation, here you have such and such ways of retreating to the base. That is, we worked out the operation so that our man could be saved and return. The operation of the shahid type is originally planned so that everyone knows: the fighter will not return, he will destroy the enemy with himself. It was hard to do that. The main difficulty was with religion. Muslims cannot commit suicide. fellow There were questions: is this not suicide? how to distinguish suicide from an act of self-sacrifice? We took this bold step in 1974. And then many began to imitate us.


            - So who came up with the operation with hang gliders? And How?

            - The enemy must always be hit with new tactics and new ideas. These were sports hang gliders. We saw how such sports are practiced in Europe and America. The hang glider is easy to make from fabric and aluminum. But we also improved this business: if you usually fly on hang gliders during the day, then we decided that the guys would fly at night. We put a small motor on the hang glider. Two fighters flew into the territory of the enemy for 45 kilometers, landed in the area of ​​the Hagibur military camp and killed the military men and civilians there. This is war!


            One hang glider was eliminated immediately, the second was more fortunate. Before the capter !!! eliminated him, the terrorist shot a jeep, a tent from a machine gun and threw a grenade. Killed 6 soldiers.
            1. Knizhnik
              Knizhnik 5 July 2016 13: 57
              +2
              Hang gliders and motoplans have had and will have their own narrow, but application. The main thing is not to bring down on them the unusual functions of a drone, a helicopter or something else. Wingsuit and ATVs once criticized.
        2. avt
          avt 5 July 2016 13: 59
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          What kind of intelligence do they need? Drones banned by law?

          You don’t understand anything! And prohfzessoryu obzvozali! tongue Keen about James BondA not seen? I don’t remember in what they were chasing him on hang-gliders, so you can say - a direct guide to action wassat Here on hang gliders, they quietly practiced penetration into a protected object, even like that, a group of "B" type at a nuclear power plant landed.
          Quote: razmik72
          Deltos would be useful in military intelligence.
          fool It's easier to put on a barrel of gunpowder - let them fly.
          Quote: Professor
          Drones banned by law?

          Israeli - certainly forbid as kosher and not halal! bully
          Quote: dr.Bo
          I think that we are talking about the delivery of a reconnaissance officer in difficultly accessible areas.

          Quote: Professor
          What an "original" idea, however.

          Professor ! Well, why such a long comment! The answer will all be one - you need to find specific tasks wassat Yes, actually the article already said
          “They were looking for a so-called“ tactical niche ”for delta guns, they determined which combat tasks they could solve and how effectively they needed to install equipment and weapons on the aircraft. At present, this stage has already been completed, and now we are conducting flight tests, including with the use of on-board armament, ”explained the source.
          bully Here you see, the interlocutor "his" niche "in the budget and found without any unmanned vehicles.
      4. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 July 2016 13: 36
        0
        For this, there are drones.
      5. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 5 July 2016 16: 16
        +3
        Quote: razmik72
        Deltos would be useful in military intelligence.

        Quote: Knizhnik
        stealth.

        You are joking? Have you ever seen such a miracle in the air? This chainsaw is audible and visible beyond 10 km, and such a grandiose target flying low and slow is the dream of any machine gunner. request
      6. Suhov
        Suhov 5 July 2016 18: 26
        +1
        Quote: razmik72
        Deltos would be useful in military intelligence.

        Deltos - in a separate branch of the army! wassat
        with the development of the following areas:
        - delta fighter jets,
        - attack aircraft deltos,
        - delta bomber bombers,
        - electronic warfare deltos,
        - marine patrol deltos,
        - strategic deltos
    2. vkl.47
      vkl.47 5 July 2016 11: 25
      +20
      and shout at night from the deltalet “I’m terrified flying on the wings of the night ...” so that even a betman would put bricks
    3. Army soldier2
      Army soldier2 5 July 2016 11: 29
      +5
      I hope Bolotnaya will not be bombed and fired from a machine gun.
      The hang glider is so vulnerable to fire from the ground that its use is in doubt. If there is a machine gun and bombs, then use against armed contingents.
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    5. RUSS
      RUSS 5 July 2016 11: 37
      +3
      Quote: Knizhnik
      Machine gun and bombs are superfluous, in my opinion

      Maybe cut? laughing
      1. Knizhnik
        Knizhnik 5 July 2016 11: 52
        +3
        Rather, incompetence. Nothing, as it comes to real people, they quickly wrapped this fantasy soldier
    6. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 5 July 2016 11: 39
      -4
      Quote: Knizhnik
      Machine gun and bombs are superfluous, in my opinion

      A pair of ATGMs or MANPADS would be more beneficial. With the help of MANPADS it is possible to fight with enemy drones or helicopters, and ATGMs to destroy ground equipment.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 5 July 2016 11: 43
        +6
        it is so noisy that I just can’t imagine its purpose, they fly at our airport — so they can be heard at least 4 km away.

        There, in addition to ICE, air blades are also cut

        1. Maksus
          Maksus 5 July 2016 11: 47
          +11
          And what will happen to the hang glider after the queue from the machine gun? He will not fly back? Our officials sometimes blurt out such that at least stand, even fall ...
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 5 July 2016 12: 02
        +9
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        A pair of ATGMs or MANPADS would be more beneficial.

        Yes, everything would be fine, only where to look for it later, after a MANPADS shot or an ATGM salvo ... request
    7. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 5 July 2016 12: 11
      +2
      Quote: Knizhnik
      Machine gun and bombs are superfluous, in my opinion

      the interlocutor.
      According to him, “to solve percussion tasks, a four-barreled high-speed aviation machine gun is installed on board the deltalet, and you can hang aerial bombs of various weights, up to two hundred kilograms, on special suspension nodes installed in the cockpit.”

      This is according to what formulas of mathematics so much weapons can be placed on a hang-glider
      The weight of the fuel-filled structure is approximately 285 kg, and the take-off weight is more than 500 kg.

      But it is also written that the CABIN - DOUBLE! And the pilots do not weigh anything ?!
      The interlocutor, however, see very literate!
    8. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 5 July 2016 19: 44
      +1
      Quote: Knizhnik
      Machine gun and bombs are superfluous, in my opinion

      This is probably a colleague to destroy us retirees! wassat
      I laugh of course, but if you think about why the National Guard was created ...... I am warped by a military pensioner that the same name is dill, destroying the inhabitants of Donbas.
      Such an opinion, Dear colleagues, military pensioners! request
    9. gladcu2
      gladcu2 5 July 2016 23: 52
      0
      It seems to me that the deltalet :) :) :) is superfluous too.

      As I read about the four-barrel aircraft machine gun from laughter, I still can not calm down. Such a machine gun will have 100 kilograms of recoil. This deltalet will rotate around the axis opposite to recoil.

      Well, what nonsense are you writing.
  2. GYGOLA
    GYGOLA 5 July 2016 11: 16
    +4
    A night patrol in the middle of a riot.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 July 2016 11: 16
    +7
    James Bond Forever! Combat hang gliders. Well, these things are not expensive, practice will show that this is nonsense of a drunken ensign or a good idea. In any case, this bird has absolutely no protection against small arms fire from the ground.
    1. oborzevatel
      oborzevatel 5 July 2016 11: 26
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      In any case, this bird has absolutely no protection against small arms fire from the ground.

      Read the article carefully.
      There they clearly told you that:
      “The main feature of the deltalette is during the flight, it is practically inaudible, and at night and in bad weather conditions it is visually not distinguishable against the sky. For takeoff and landing, even if there is cargo or weapons on board the Search, only a few meters of an unprepared flat surface is required, ”the source said.

      Well, try to first find it, and only then - to fire.
      But I didn’t think that a motor hang glider can be called so arrogantly - a hang glider request
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 5 July 2016 11: 47
        0
        Yes, it will be heard at night for several kilometers ...
        1. oborzevatel
          oborzevatel 5 July 2016 12: 24
          0
          Quote: Maksus
          Yes, it will be heard at night for several kilometers ...

          And you about such a miracle of technology as a muffler heard?
          1. Maksus
            Maksus 5 July 2016 13: 21
            0
            Mufflers on the propeller ???? How do you imagine that???
            1. oborzevatel
              oborzevatel 5 July 2016 13: 29
              0
              Quote: Maksus
              Mufflers on the propeller ???? How do you imagine that???

              Muffler on the engine, actually. This is the time.
              Second.
              The engine may not necessarily be an ICE.
              The third.
              And who told you that the engine and propeller will constantly work?
              Enough of his work to climb and climb, and then - free flight and planning.
              I am surprised at you ...
              It’s like - as if you had never heard of gliders and hang gliders ... request
              The record flight without a motor is 761 km. (American Johnny Duran and Australian Dustin Martin). Usually 40-50 km of silent flight.
              1. Maksus
                Maksus 5 July 2016 19: 29
                0
                This is for an ordinary hang glider, not for a car with a two-person cabin, with weapons and a camera. On a hang glider, the pilot takes a characteristic posture, he creates little resistance. Likewise, a person in a flight suit can fly a long distance, but if he is loaded with a large amount of equipment and thrown from a low altitude on a plain where there are no strong updrafts, then the range will greatly decrease. And you better be surprised at your illiteracy - the muffler does not work for the engine, but for exhaust gases) An open engine cannot be muffled, buy yourself a "hole" and see how it will make noise.
      2. Verdun
        Verdun 5 July 2016 11: 56
        +3
        Quote: oborzevatel
        Well, try to find it first, and only then - fire

        Fuck there to detect? A thermal imaging sight - and here it is, darling! Not only that, the hot engine, but also the pilot is also not frozen.
        1. oborzevatel
          oborzevatel 5 July 2016 12: 26
          0
          Quote: Verdun
          Quote: oborzevatel
          Well, try to find it first, and only then - fire

          Fuck there to detect? A thermal imaging sight - and here it is, darling! Not only that, the hot engine, but also the pilot is also not frozen.

          Well, this is if you know exactly where and why to look.
          Especially at night, in the sky ...
          1. Verdun
            Verdun 5 July 2016 12: 33
            0
            Quote: oborzevatel
            Well, this is if you know exactly where and why to look.
            Especially at night, in the sky ...

            A hunter in hiding discovers prey even on rough terrain, it is only worth it to appear prey. And if we are talking about a protected object, then there is not one pair of eyes and not one thermal imager. It is naive to believe in advance that they will all open a mittens or sleep. And if you assume that the National Guard is going to fight terrorists, you should know that these guys have a wolf sense ...
            1. oborzevatel
              oborzevatel 5 July 2016 13: 35
              +1
              Quote: Verdun
              A hunter in hiding discovers prey even on rough terrain, it is only worth it to appear prey. And if we are talking about a protected object, then there is not one pair of eyes and not one thermal imager. It is naive to believe in advance that they will all open a mittens or sleep. And if you assume that the National Guard is going to fight terrorists, you should know that these guys have a wolf sense ...

              I repeat to you once again - this is if you know where, when and why to look. especially at night.
              Here I already told the previous opponent about the flight modes of the motor hang-glider, in particular that the engine does not have to be constantly running.
              The record flight without a motor is 761 km. (American Johnny Duran and Australian Dustin Martin). Usually 40-50 km of silent flight.

              This is about the issue of thermal return. And the pilot can also be, figuratively speaking, insulated ...
              I am surprised to you, my dear ... request
              1. Verdun
                Verdun 5 July 2016 13: 57
                -1
                Quote: oborzevatel
                I am surprised to you, my dear ...

                That I am surprised you, my dear. You, apparently, are new to the device of the thermal imager. In order to see an object in it, it is not at all necessary that this object radiate heat.
                I repeat to you once again - this is if you know where, when and why to look. especially at night.
                Well, if you are going to look at one point all the time, depicting a monument ...)) Even if you assume that the speed of the glider is maximum - about 120 km / h - it will fly to you for 4 km for at least two minutes. Enough to be discovered by observers. Well, if he starts shooting himself ...
                1. oborzevatel
                  oborzevatel 5 July 2016 14: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: Verdun
                  Well, if you are going to look at one point all the time, depicting a monument ...)) Even if you assume that the speed of the glider is maximum - about 120 km / h - it will fly to you for 4 km for at least two minutes. Enough to be discovered by observers. Well, if he starts shooting himself ...

                  Especially when trikes - hang gliders and curl in packs.
                  Just like mosquitoes.
                  Just have time to pinpoint and shoot ...
                  Quote: Verdun
                  Well, if he starts shooting himself ...

                  Well, yes, silent weapons are only in some alternative reality.
                  Especially "Pecheneg" with a silencer ... is generally an extraordinary case. Yeah. lol
                  1. Verdun
                    Verdun 5 July 2016 15: 26
                    +1
                    Quote: oborzevatel
                    this is generally out of the ordinary case.

                    You seem too good opinion about the pilots of trike, and too bad about those who will confront them on the ground. Meanwhile, losses, the level of aviation losses from anti-aircraft fire was always high.
                    1. oborzevatel
                      oborzevatel 5 July 2016 16: 28
                      -1
                      Quote: Verdun
                      You seem too good opinion about the pilots of trike, and too bad about those who will confront them on the ground.

                      I do not have information on the level of training of pilots of hang-gliders.
                      To the same extent, I do not possess information about the level of training of those who will confront them on earth.
                      And therefore - we consider this level the same, by default.
                      Quote: Verdun
                      Meanwhile, losses, the level of aviation losses from anti-aircraft fire was always high.

                      This is where you got such information, can I find out?
                      As a former (2008) student of the Higher Attestation Commission of the Tverskoy Military Aviation Law named after Marshal of the Soviet Union G.K. Zhukov, it is interesting to read ...
                      Can you give numbers and sources?
                      And from anti-aircraft fire?
              2. gladcu2
                gladcu2 6 July 2016 00: 00
                0
                oborzevatel

                Have you read an article about radar? Have you seen what size it is and a hundred can?

                The Russian Guard is designed to control private military organizations. What do you think that the oligarchs do not drop desaturates of such radars?
          2. Victorio
            Victorio 5 July 2016 18: 38
            0
            Quote: oborzevatel
            Quote: Verdun
            Quote: oborzevatel
            Well, try to find it first, and only then - fire

            Fuck there to detect? A thermal imaging sight - and here it is, darling! Not only that, the hot engine, but also the pilot is also not frozen.

            Well, this is if you know exactly where and why to look.
            Especially at night, in the sky ...

            ===
            forgot to mention that with the engine turned off, the device can still plan several kilometers
            1. oborzevatel
              oborzevatel 5 July 2016 19: 49
              0
              Quote: Victorio
              forgot to mention that with the engine turned off, the device can still plan several kilometers

              Already mentioned:
              The record flight without a motor is 761 km. (American Johnny Duran and Australian Dustin Martin). Usually 40-50 km of silent flight.
          3. gladcu2
            gladcu2 5 July 2016 23: 58
            0
            oborzevatel

            And what is visible from this hang glider at night in bad weather, and even on the ground?
      3. gladcu2
        gladcu2 5 July 2016 23: 55
        0
        oborzevatel

        Maybe you yourself will fly on it, at night and in bad weather?
    2. Verdun
      Verdun 5 July 2016 11: 27
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      James Bond Forever!

      Plus Black Cloak and Batman! That's just, no matter how the Batment came out in the end, as in "Gorodok".
      1. Monge
        Monge 5 July 2016 12: 20
        +1
        And also the Black Cloak and Batman in addition
        Another unit of elven archers and dwarf saboteurs.
    3. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 5 July 2016 20: 46
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      James Bond Forever! Combat hang gliders. Well, these things are not expensive, practice will show that this is nonsense of a drunken ensign or a good idea. In any case, this bird has absolutely no protection against small arms fire from the ground.

      Eugene, do you really believe that a similar technique will be used against people who can fight back?
      I wish I had been wrong, but there really is a grain of truth in my rather cruel joke about the destruction of pensioners. For to "work" with bandit formations, such a technique is certainly capable of delivering pinpoint strikes against previously explored targets, but this is very exotic, its capabilities in radio and radio engineering are too weak, I am not even talking about radar. But for "work" with demonstrators it is quite suitable. Ah yes I forgot, now all who are dissatisfied with the internal policy of the government are liberals, so it seems. Especially poor pensioners and not only the military. hi
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  5. Wedmak
    Wedmak 5 July 2016 11: 26
    +5
    With bombs in 200 kg of course bent. Without sights, resetting it is not comme il faut. Either miss, or you will fall under your own fragments.
    a four-barreled high-speed aircraft machine gun is installed on board the deltale

    The deltalet backwards does not fly away from recoil?
  6. triglav
    triglav 5 July 2016 11: 26
    -1
    Good machine.
  7. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 5 July 2016 11: 32
    +5
    This "Search" will rise by 4 km, and blow it away by 10 km.
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 July 2016 11: 33
    0
    If in business, then good. But this is an exotic tool, only if when performing special tasks ...
  9. 13 warrior
    13 warrior 5 July 2016 11: 34
    +4
    I am not an expert in the field of aviation. But in my opinion, assigning any shock tasks to this technique is a utopia. Machine gun!? Do not even shoot yourself from it - the turret’s turning angle will not allow it. Why am I of this opinion? Because there are many cases of shelling of hang gliders from the land by drunk hunters. And yet there were cases of injured pilots. But hunters often only have a smoothbore ... For some reason, a more powerful hang glider is a target.
    In general, it is doubtful to me.
    But I agree that the Exploration and delivery of small cargoes is possible and expedient.
  10. Sakhalin.
    Sakhalin. 5 July 2016 11: 35
    +1
    A good idea, the deployment of saboteurs, scouts. And the destruction of small enemy groups in the rear is not very expensive and effective. Like PO-2 and "night witches" in the Great Patriotic War.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 6 July 2016 00: 04
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      Sakhalin

      In the rear of what and with whom? This is the Rossguard.

      The purpose of the Russian Guard is to control paramilitary security companies and the black arms market.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 6 July 2016 00: 15
        +1
        Quote: gladcu2
        The purpose of the Russian Guard is the control of paramilitary security companies and the black arms market

        - yah? And just that?
        - although - yes, from Canada it is, of course, more visible laughing
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 6 July 2016 00: 18
          0
          Cat manul

          I watch the program "Time".
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 6 July 2016 00: 23
            0
            Quote: gladcu2
            I watch the program "Time".

            Why are you doing it?? belay

            Throw nafig .. You will be taught bad there laughing

            Quote: gladcu2
            This National Guard has already been renamed into the Russian Guard and is officially used in the Vremya program

            - strictly speaking, the name "Rosgvardia" appeared a month and a half ago, EMNIP.
      2. Sakhalin.
        Sakhalin. 8 July 2016 22: 39
        0
        I believe that this instance will find its purpose not only in the Russian Guard.
  11. Altona
    Altona 5 July 2016 11: 39
    +2
    Actually, earlier in the literature, such a device was called a motor hang-glider. And then some kind of "hang glider" was invented. request
  12. CAM
    CAM 5 July 2016 11: 39
    +4
    machine gun with bombs on a motor hang-glider belay ... in my opinion it's overkill
  13. Enoch
    Enoch 5 July 2016 11: 41
    -2
    Maxim machine gun just fit. BY 1
  14. Tamerlan I
    Tamerlan I 5 July 2016 11: 43
    +1
    The National Guard ... it is not clear what Putin thought when he came up with a name for the new special service. Well, he had a crisis of confidence in the existing law enforcement agencies (which is understandable given the economic situation and his foreign policy throwing in the form of a "truce" in the Donbass and Syria), but this is not a reason to call the newly created special service with such a name, which among the citizens of the Russian Federation has an unambiguously negative connotation, after events in Ukraine, and attempts to "rename" the National Guard from the "Rosguard" this clumsiness (this is how the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - to call it "Rosarmia", and the Russian Navy - "Rosflot" of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation - "Rospolitsiya", etc., etc. ... They would call the Special Corps of Gendarmes, and neutral and in the history of Russia, such an organization already existed, in the imperial period. So no, everyone is trying to copy, like the Western "partners", reverence for the white master seems to exist not only among the representatives of the black continent ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 5 July 2016 11: 54
      +4
      Quote: Tamerlane I
      The National Guard ... what Putin thought coming up with the name of the created special service is not clear.

      And this is not Putin. smile For the idea of ​​creating the National Guard of the Russian Federation has regularly surfaced since 1991. At the beginning of the reign of Boris Alcoholic, it even seemed to begin to form, but then changed their minds.
      Quote: Tamerlane I
      They would call the Gendarmes Special Corps

      Then too Separate internal guard building.
      1. Altona
        Altona 5 July 2016 11: 59
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Then the Separate Corps of the Internal Guard.

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        Immediately associations went with the "guards of the Islamic revolution", we will have "guards of the bourgeois revolution" apparently. hi
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      3. Tamerlan I
        Tamerlan I 5 July 2016 12: 58
        +1
        And the apologists of Putin, if there is some kind of "jamb", then Putin always has nothing to do with ... So it is easier for you (them) ...
    2. Altona
      Altona 5 July 2016 11: 54
      +1
      Quote: Tamerlane I
      They would call the Special Corps of Gendarmes, and neutrally and in the history of Russia such an organization already existed during the imperial period.

      -------------------
      Wow neutral. Directly restoration of tsarism smacks of. Gendarmes, carabinieri, polysianos, commando, commandant, militianos, the list goes on and on. By the way, they could have called the police the military police, in the sense of the armed. hi
      PS You can even return to the same "sovereign archers".
      1. Tamerlan I
        Tamerlan I 5 July 2016 12: 55
        +3
        And what does the National Guard "smell like"? For me, BB could have been left. Calling the new service the Federal Service of Internal Troops, and as usual and without any "Nazis" which my grandfather packed into boxes back in 1945 in XNUMX.
        1. Altona
          Altona 5 July 2016 14: 14
          0
          Quote: Tamerlane I
          And what does the National Guard "smell like"? For me, BB could have been left.

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          The movie "Rambo, First Blood" smells like. Where John Rambo was caught in the mountains by these same American National Guards. And also the notorious dualism "police-police", where in fact little has changed, only the form of a mouse color has become black and blue and the inscription "police" on the back. That's all. It was possible to leave BB, but the passion for changing names was seen and created the "National Guard".
        2. Altona
          Altona 5 July 2016 14: 36
          +1
          Quote: Tamerlane I
          without any "nazis"

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          As the hero of the famous film said, "this is such a special word." "National" means, as it were, "people's", from the word national (nation), and not from the word "nationality". We have a "national team" or "national Olympic committee". Something like this.
    3. gladcu2
      gladcu2 6 July 2016 00: 05
      0
      Tamerlane

      The name Rossguard is already in use. According to the program "Time".
  15. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 5 July 2016 11: 45
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    In any case, this bird has absolutely no protection against small arms fire from the ground.

    I doubt that a sheet of light armor with Kevlar is then definitely put, or put if necessary.
    1. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 5 July 2016 11: 53
      +2
      Yeah, like the fliers in the First World War, they say, put a pan in the ass. laughing
      1. Altona
        Altona 5 July 2016 12: 19
        +2
        Quote: x.andvlad
        Yeah, like the fliers in the First World War, they say, put a pan in the ass.

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        So the duels were noble, they shot at each other with revolvers in the air.
  16. sergej30003
    sergej30003 5 July 2016 11: 45
    0
    against such a powerful air support, you need to use a slingshot
  17. Wolka
    Wolka 5 July 2016 11: 51
    0
    bullshit, the direct participation of this flyer on the battlefield is very fraught with death to her crew, but reconnaissance is quite possible but also to a limited extent ...
  18. sgr
    sgr 5 July 2016 11: 52
    +1
    Back in 1992, while serving in Baku, the command intended to introduce motor hang gliders for special forces, we even had one for running in. Apparently, things are still there. It’s good that we returned to this idea, in intelligence it would be very useful.
  19. Taygerus
    Taygerus 5 July 2016 11: 55
    0
    for one-time special operations no more than that, for reconnaissance there are drones, well, and for other helicopters
  20. K-36
    K-36 5 July 2016 11: 57
    +6
    Everything new is well forgotten old (s) yes .
    In 1986, tests of such a deltalet were carried out on the basis of the Ryazan special forces brigade (in the slang called Chuchkago, who knows) smile ... The devices were from the Antonov Design Bureau. The test pilots are also from there. They flew for about two weeks, then they had a conflict with the ATC (Air Traffic Control) service, because for flights it was necessary to submit appropriate requests for flights indicating the altitude, route, time of use of the airspace and call signs "board". And since the pilots considered themselves to be an ultra-small surface pepel, they did not submit any applications. For which they were shocked laughing ... Then the pilots got offended and flew to their place in Kiev. However, the command of the spetsnaz has already got hooked on the idea of ​​the Pepelatsev and even recruited an experimental group of cadets - pilots from among the officers and warrant officers of their department. My subordinate warrant officer (MS in parachuting, for one and a half thousand jumps at that time) also learned about this. And he asked me to let him go on this path (well, that is, to become a pilot of this pepelatsa). I thought thoroughly and gave him a preliminary "go-ahead". However, later the expected news about the development of this direction began to subside, and then completely disappeared. what . So my ensign and remained in the Air Force until the demobilization.
    One thing touches: but WHY such a pepelats bomb weapons belay (well, I mean the Russian Guard) ??? This is generally some kind of OXYUMORON ...
    Best regards hi
  21. sinoptic
    sinoptic 5 July 2016 11: 59
    +4
    Quote: 13 warrior
    ...
    In general, it is doubtful to me.
    But I agree that the Exploration and delivery of small cargoes is possible and expedient.

    I will support 13 warriors.
    A very dubious technique is unlikely to be very common.
    As a former hang glider, I will say that most hang gliders, who are at least something, look with envy at the "hard wing" - an apparatus a la deltalan with a rigid wing, but accordingly a slightly modified human positioning system and a modified takeoff / landing system, since it has better aerodynamic quality. However, such a device is rather difficult to land (due to its high speed).

    So the ideal winged wing is a glider, it has the highest quality, but for a device with an engine it’s some kind of light aircraft.
    So a more realistic prospect for some light aircraft or motor gliders (there are some).
    They are more practical, and it is easier to operate and operate, and they are better quality aircraft.
    And with a breakdown of the deltalet at the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... probably someone has a son or grandson engaged in hang gliding, that’s pushing an impractical idea.
    1. Altona
      Altona 5 July 2016 12: 25
      0
      Quote: sinoptic
      However, such a device is quite difficult to plant (due to high speed).

      -----------------
      In general, there are already a bunch of quadro-hexa-octa-copters and other drones. They have powerful video cameras and microphones, silent "cold" engines, the ability to hang in the air for many hours, and so on. And then the trouble with the pilot and other inconveniences, even the maintenance and storage of the unit will cost a pretty penny.
  22. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 5 July 2016 12: 00
    +2
    Igor Nikitin and his associates have created a good Poisk-06 machine, very versatile and tested in different conditions. I do not remember a single disaster with his participation. Although he himself got into an emergency on it. We landed in a swamp with wheels upside down. They unfastened the belts and forward to the frogs. And the next day we fly again.
    And for reconnaissance it is better to use a "broom" with a light engine. Take-off run with feet, engine to climb or a short route, and then ... pure aerodynamics based on air currents. The record flight without a motor is 761 km. (American Johnny Durant and Australian Dustin Martin). Usually 40-50 km of silent flight.
  23. Sergey333
    Sergey333 5 July 2016 12: 44
    +1
    It is scary to assume what he will bombard the enemy with. laughing
  24. K-36
    K-36 5 July 2016 12: 47
    +1
    Quote: Evgeniy667b
    Igor Nikitin and his associates have created a good Poisk-06 machine, very versatile and tested in different conditions. I do not remember a single disaster with his participation. Although he himself got into an emergency on it. We landed in a swamp with wheels upside down. They unfastened the belts and forward to the frogs. And the next day we fly again.
    And for reconnaissance it is better to use a "broom" with a light engine. Take-off run with feet, engine to climb or a short route, and then ... pure aerodynamics based on air currents. The record flight without a motor is 761 km. (American Johnny Durant and Australian Dustin Martin). Usually 40-50 km of silent flight.

    Paraglider with a motor (in the slang "Calson" laughing ) for intelligence?!? belay
    I beg you ... When I fish at a local reservoir, and local "Carlsons" start flying, you can hear them three miles away ... yes. SVD with a thermal imager (if it is at night) - and your flight ticket is not crying Dig deeply into the profiled infe and you will understand that "Carlson" is not a competitor to an ultra-small drone (well, like "Tachyon" or "Bird Eye"). From the word "well, vaasche ALL".
    Best regards hi
    1. oborzevatel
      oborzevatel 5 July 2016 13: 48
      +1
      Quote: K-36
      I beg you ... When I am fishing at a local reservoir, and local "Karlsons" start flying, you can hear them three miles away .... SVD with a thermal imager (if at night) - and there is no your flight control

      And if he flew with the engine off, for how many kilometers would you hear him? Yes, and at night? Or do you not allow such a deal? What answer about this, comedian?
  25. Des10
    Des10 5 July 2016 13: 17
    0
    The very reason for the formation of NG - what?
    And hang gliders ... They gave the armament of snowmobiles BB. Basically, bosses have fun on them and - a demonstration on exercises - for them.
    Hang glider pilots --- there are so few of them; Only for sp. operations.
    Still, drones are preferable.
  26. friend of animals
    friend of animals 5 July 2016 13: 28
    0
    In a combat situation, such an "airship" is not very effective. But since we are talking about the National Guard, it will come in handy to disperse the riots, spray tear gas there, and shoot rubber bullets.
  27. Stinger
    Stinger 5 July 2016 13: 35
    +1
    I read and remembered anecdote. The Chukchi hunter praises the glider: "A strong bird, however. Only from the third shot the man was released!"
  28. 3 Gorynych
    3 Gorynych 5 July 2016 13: 39
    0
    According to him, “a four-barreled high-speed aircraft machine gun was installed on board the deltalette to solve percussion problems
    The caliber didn’t indicate, but it’s 7,62 and it will slow down the car! And the bigger one will fly back! And if Che resembles an apparatus for kamikaze ... IMHO
  29. INF
    INF 5 July 2016 15: 30
    +4
    Losing a helicopter is expensive, and a moped with wings is much cheaper.
  30. K-36
    K-36 5 July 2016 15: 45
    +1
    Quote: oborzevatel
    Quote: K-36
    I beg you ... When I am fishing at a local reservoir, and local "Karlsons" start flying, you can hear them three miles away .... SVD with a thermal imager (if at night) - and there is no your flight control

    And if he flew with the engine off, for how many kilometers would you hear him? Yes, and at night? Or do you not allow such a deal? What answer about this, comedian?

    Excuse me generously if I hurt your views on the possibilities of motorized paragliders (by the way, I even managed to fly them a little myself. Fortunately, I have several friends - I have several fans of this business). Only I did not "humor" at all about the futility of these devices for intelligence purposes. Judge for yourself: you need to choose a pilot for it first, because not everyone "wants to fly". Then it needs to be prepared (and this is money, because: instructor, kerosene, motor resource, equipment, etc., etc.). It is necessary to master the navigational training and equip the pepelats accordingly (for reconnaissance). Further. You propose to throw it to the line of contact on the engine, and then switch to pure aeronautical planning in updrafts. And here a whole tub of questions pours in yes
    1.And if there are no upstream flows or (in the designated area for reconnaissance) did they end? So what: turn on the engine to immediately find yourself ?!
    2. In the "aeronautics" mode, both hands of such a scout are occupied by the control bosses, so that he can not practically manipulate the installed equipment ...
    3. What is the "all-weather" of such a product? Alas and ah ... During the day at the PMU - this is out of the question, for it is suicide. During the day in SMU (beyond the clouds, that is) this is another QUESTION. What will he see through the clouds? And how can he make sure himself that he is above the assigned reconnaissance area, and not in his deep rear ?! winked... Next: night. What kind of intelligence can he do? Visual? Well, will he see a lot at night in disguised positions? Instrumental (using radars, magnetometers, thermal imagers)? Well, yes, over the Papuans, armed with bows, he probably can, but the enemy with advanced weapons will detect him "at once". And - "goodbye mom". Further: winter, snow, rain and squally wind for such a scout can become a direction "into the box" even over his own territory, so that the enemy can safely drink tea in the dugout yes .
    5. What means of protection does such a scout have? Yes, no !!! But the target he is just FREE. For: the area of ​​the paraglider is not less than 20 square meters, behind a metal engine weighing 30 kg, which heats up during flight and becomes an ideal target for a thermal imager, radar (due to the mass of the engine) and Stinger. Can you tell me how long he will have to live ??? and this despite the fact that the reconnaissance task is essentially NOT FULFILLED !! And the paraglider pilot is a Human. And for him the commander will have to send the "funeral" to his parents.
    Once again: I do not want to offend you (and did not want to), so I'm sorry if I didn’t express it that way.
    Sincerely.
    1. oborzevatel
      oborzevatel 5 July 2016 17: 11
      +2
      Thank you for "eliminating illiteracy" in some aspects of the use of hang gliders.
      I did not consider them a "panacea for all ills" and an almighty wand - a lifesaver.
      But in some cases, in relation to favorable weather conditions, terrain conditions - it is nevertheless preferable to use them to strike from the air at night. Remember how Po-2 was used at one time.
      Maybe this is not an example, but there is a good book by Oleg Vereshchagin "Nobody but Us" ("The Winged Hundred"). It's not about the Airborne Forces. Let it be from the genre of alternative history, but there is also about possible combat use of motor hang gliders.
      Sincerely.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 6 July 2016 00: 11
        0
        oborzevatel

        It is not possible to come up with a single normal case for which you need to make such nonsense as to teach a hang glider pilot, to introduce material support for non-standard equipment. Yes, and with the motivation of the kamikaze pilot is also tight.
  31. alexfin
    alexfin 5 July 2016 15: 47
    0
    ... a military hang-glider is something akin to the Japanese comicadze on a guided torpedo ...
    but even though there were people, there are zombies ..
  32. atamankko
    atamankko 5 July 2016 16: 18
    +1
    So I don’t understand what it is for,
    but about the bombing, he simply laughed.
  33. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 5 July 2016 16: 59
    0
    Quote: nils
    Federal Service of the National Guard Troops (FSVNG).

    In fact, in order to become a guardsman it must be earned.
    For what such merits did this armed formation become a guard?

    Why did this formation become national? What nation are we talking about?
    Why are they allowed to shoot at a people called a mob? What kind of people are we protecting?
    What kind of enemy is "terrorism" that appeared after the special action. services to blow up twin towers in the United States?
    Isn't there too many why?

    Let's start with the fact that the word "guard" is borrowed in Italian - guardia - protection, protection. Who else but
    Is this epithet suitable for internal troops and special units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs?
    Terrorism appeared much earlier than September 11, 2001. Modern terrorism dates back to the post-Napoleonic Restoration era.
    "Why are they allowed to shoot people who have been called a crowd?" First of all, no one called the people a "crowd" ("a significant gathering of citizens" even in the Law on Militia and beyond) and it is not necessary to pull out of context, read in what cases firearms are used by law enforcement officers.
    But the "people" have become a "crowd" ...
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 6 July 2016 00: 15
      0
      Prapor

      This National Guard has already been renamed into the Russian Guard and is officially used in the Vremya program. The definition of tasks is also given. Control of militarized security formronia (meaning oligarchs), control of the black market for weapons (also oligarchs).
  34. cheburator
    cheburator 5 July 2016 17: 03
    +1
    Cool, but ineffective. And about the bombs - some sort.
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 5 July 2016 19: 21
      +1
      Quote: cheburator
      Cool, but ineffective. And about the bombs - some sort.

      Bombs will be synthesized by the pilot in the workplace. When a platoon of submachine gunners will scoff at it ...
  35. Massik
    Massik 5 July 2016 17: 51
    -1
    What is this scooter with wings? Almost no practical benefit from it. Now, if a helicopter in this size ...
  36. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 5 July 2016 21: 01
    +1
    Isn't UAV better? People need to be protected.
  37. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 5 July 2016 22: 15
    0
    As a direction it is needed.