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MAK: there are 3 basic versions of the fall of the IL-76 in the Irkutsk region

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International aviation the committee (IAC) announced the main versions of the crash of the IL-76 plane of the Ministry of Emergencies of the Russian Federation in the Irkutsk region, including the failure of equipment and the human factor, reports TASS.



“The main versions are related to the human factor, operability of the equipment and the influence of the environment,” said the representative of the committee Nikolay Yakimenko.

According to him, “the decoding of flight recorders found at the crash site will begin soon.”

“Inspection of the black boxes showed that they were exposed to temperature effects. But their condition is satisfactory, ”Yakimenko said.

IAC staff completed the inspection of the crash site. “All traces of the aircraft are documented. It burned down completely, ”he added.

Rescuers managed to detect the bodies of all crew members. Experts work at the crash site, they collect material for genetic examination. It is assumed that “the bodies will first be delivered to Irkutsk, and then to Petersburg,” the government of the Irkutsk region reported.

Recall that the IL-76 crashed on July 1 while extinguishing a forest fire. On board were 10 crew members.
Photos used:
Maxim Grigoriev / TASS
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  1. Cheshire
    Cheshire 4 July 2016 08: 24
    +26
    It's a pity guys, we’ll build a new plane.
    Rest in peace. Condolences to family and friends.
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 4 July 2016 09: 20
      +7
      It amazes me why they searched for so long?
      I don’t understand. They talk about growing up. Air defense, such as in the world, if not the best, then one of the most effective, then the question is, how is it that a whole plane or some sort of maize, and a healthy IL-76 disappears is it not a needle? A machine worth tens of millions of eternally green just disappears and cannot be found ?! But what about the route of movement, gps navigation, glonass ??? and that no one leads the aircraft through airspace, where are the dispatch services ??? Rest in peace.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 4 July 2016 09: 34
        +14
        Quote: evgenii67
        I don’t understand. They talk about growing up. Air defense, such as in the world, if not the best, then one of the most effective, then the question is, how is it that a whole plane or some sort of maize, and a healthy IL-76 disappears is it not a needle?



        A single system, like an air defense net, no longer exists with the collapse of the Union ... So far, we are trying to restore at least something ...

        The same is true with our civilian aeroflot and its aerodromes, tracking systems ...

        And there, where the fires were extinguished, they were probably outside the control zone ... Somehow ...
        1. evgenii67
          evgenii67 4 July 2016 09: 39
          -3
          Quote: weksha50
          A single system, like an air defense net, no longer exists with the collapse of the Union ... So far, we are trying to restore at least something ...

          as I understand it, purely hypothetically in Siberia and the Far East, an enemy squadron can fly freely and not one, and there will be nothing to them, because we are blind ?? !!
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 4 July 2016 10: 09
            +4
            Do not write nonsense.
          2. lelikas
            lelikas 4 July 2016 12: 00
            +4
            Quote: evgenii67
            as I understand it, purely hypothetically in Siberia and the Far East, an enemy squadron can fly freely and not one, and there will be nothing to them, because we are blind ?? !!

            Air defense, rather, is aimed at external borders, and not at internal space.
            1. 4ekist
              4ekist 4 July 2016 13: 39
              +2
              Question: who will answer for all this. Why the scale of natural disaster (natural disaster or deliberate arson) was hushed up and downplayed. Every year the same thing, where are the tightening of laws, criminal, personnel cases, resignations and landings?
          3. Monarchist
            Monarchist 4 July 2016 13: 01
            0
            Approximately this situation turns out
          4. igorka357
            igorka357 4 July 2016 18: 45
            -1
            First, they must cross the border, and only then let them fly .. closer to the zemlyatse)))!
          5. Ze Kot
            Ze Kot 4 July 2016 21: 22
            +1
            Quote: evgenii67
            Quote: weksha50
            A single system, like an air defense net, no longer exists with the collapse of the Union ... So far, we are trying to restore at least something ...

            as I understand it, purely hypothetically in Siberia and the Far East, an enemy squadron can fly freely and not one, and there will be nothing to them, because we are blind ?? !!


            Air defense looks more external borders.

            Plus, the aircraft operates at extremely low altitude and air defense can not see it.
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 4 July 2016 10: 17
        +8
        Quote: evgenii67
        It amazes me why they searched for so long?

        He worked at low altitude, the radar does not penetrate through the hills. Plus, the smoke was complicated by the visual search - the same fires.
        1. Turkestan
          Turkestan 4 July 2016 15: 51
          -3
          He worked at low altitude, the radar does not penetrate through the hills. Plus, the smoke was complicated by the visual search - the same fires.


          Do I have a question? But what did he do at low altitude in conditions of poor visibility and smoke?
          Surge engines to get?
          What is it? another gouging?
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 4 July 2016 16: 04
            +7
            Quote: Turkestan
            Do I have a question? But what did he do at low altitude in conditions of poor visibility and smoke?

            The fire was extinguished.
            What is it? another gouging?

            This is their job.
            https://youtu.be/FhltSwieLF0
            1. Turkestan
              Turkestan 4 July 2016 20: 16
              0
              The fire was extinguished.

              And who told you that the IL-76 aircraft is designed to extinguish fires from a height of 50-500 meters?
              The most interesting thing is that the IAC will now begin to understand this disaster and it turns out that the full test of the IL-76 in the fire variant was not carried out. There are no instructions on the use of the fire system and piloting of the IL-76 airplane during fire fighting, and if it exists, it is not clear how it is written and approved.
              Yes, an airplane can fly and land from a minimum of 50-500 altitudes, but for this it is necessary to fulfill a number of requirements and conditions for SAFETY OF FLIGHT and DROP, one of them is a clean landing area. IL-76 is not a fighter that can fly and maneuver at low altitudes.
              Here is a clear safety violation, and this:
              - flying at low altitude in dense smoke from a burning forest, which could affect the operation of engines (engine surging).
              - pilot error in conditions of almost zero visibility and high temperatures under the wing of the aircraft.

              This is their job

              THEIR WORK BACK TO THE PARKING LIVING HEALTHY

              SAFETY OF FLIGHTS is one of the elements of the performance of this work.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 4 July 2016 20: 35
                +2
                THEIR WORK BACK TO THE PARKING LIVING HEALTHY

                You can also kill yourself in the parking lot, there are many options, for example, falling off the stepladder, so returning to the parking lot does not guarantee anything.

                Here is a clear safety violation, and this:

                Why such confidence, because no one knows anything, and to be honest - you don’t need to know.
              2. Ze Kot
                Ze Kot 5 July 2016 10: 18
                +1
                Quote: Turkestan
                And who told you that the IL-76 aircraft is designed to extinguish fires from a height of 50-500 meters?



                In the Ministry of Emergency Situations so used.

                Quote: Turkestan
                Here is a clear safety violation, and this:
                - flying at low altitude in dense smoke from a burning forest, which could affect the operation of engines (engine surging).
                - pilot error in conditions of almost zero visibility and high temperatures under the wing of the aircraft.


                Almost sure that they were walking at low altitude and did not see the hill. But to gain the height of time was not enough.
      3. Beaver
        Beaver 4 July 2016 10: 39
        +9
        Quote: evgenii67
        I don’t understand. They talk about growing up. Air defense

        Do not try to judge what you do not understand. hi
      4. igorka357
        igorka357 4 July 2016 18: 44
        +3
        And you come to us endlessly, see for yourself, it’s really endless, taiga! Not far from us, it fell, we put it out and put it out! Besides, the plane flies, flies, hop and disappeared from the screens, search for square .. but he’s not there, he can plan another twenty kilometers, the pilots can fight the disaster for a very long time! They flew, but usually on turntables, visibility is zero .. you’re about fifty meters away, but you don’t see nichrome, try to find him there! Ten man is a pity, they still say, and was full of keros!
    2. joopel
      joopel 4 July 2016 11: 04
      +4
      Eh guys, you have to be careful. Why so? Bitterly from such news. Condolences to loved ones.
  2. just exp
    just exp 4 July 2016 08: 24
    +7
    the crew of the earth rest in peace and condolences to the family.
  3. vlad66
    vlad66 4 July 2016 08: 25
    +14
    Eternal memory to the crew, I hope to understand the causes of the disaster. Our condolences to relatives and friends.
  4. asiat_61
    asiat_61 4 July 2016 08: 25
    .
    The crew will be accused of not paying anything to families. And people died in an extreme situation.
    1. vlad66
      vlad66 4 July 2016 08: 29
      +16
      Quote: asiat_61
      The crew will be blamed so that families don’t pay anything

      You would blurt out, that would blurt out, even if condolences were expressed to the relatives of the crew.
    2. corporal
      corporal 4 July 2016 08: 41
      +16
      Quote: asiat_61
      so that families don’t pay anything.

      fool Do you just follow the news?
      Each family has 2,7 million rubles, 1,7 million from the insurance company and 1 million from the Ministry of Emergencies.
      =========================================================== ===
      Quote: vlad66
      , I understand the causes of the disaster, I hope

      One version is a loss of orientation in dense smoke.
      And I had a question - if the aircraft is involved in extinguishing fires, and indeed for flights in difficult weather conditions (Emergencies Ministry after all), what prevented the installation of equipment that allows you to see through haze, fog, rain, snow, etc. Well, there are military developments !!! am
      Lack of thought, or maybe a dull "lack of funds" came out sideways.
      1. Very old
        Very old 4 July 2016 09: 00
        +12
        1. I recall the disaster of our fighters in Vietnam - they returned from Indonesia - crashed into a mountain
        2. In the Russian media flashed a message about the crew refusing to fly, because the flight was not secured by anything
        3. I was always outraged by the STAFF wording "human factor", accusing the crew in advance

        The commander of the deceased IL-76 - 64-year-old (!) Afghanistan VETERAN - what? he had no experience?
        Always believed in our flyers
        We will wait for the end of the investigation

        They rest in peace. OUR condolences to the family, friends, colleagues
        1. Beaver
          Beaver 4 July 2016 10: 32
          +1
          Quote: Very old
          I was always outraged by the STATE wording "human factor", accusing the crew in advance

          Similarly, IMHO it is used, in some cases, so as not to prosecute the true culprits. sad
          I express my condolences to the family and friends.
        2. Ustin
          Ustin 4 July 2016 16: 40
          +1
          In Kamran, the guys were taken up the hill. The reason is always found. Those who worked on the "pits" know. It is not always communicated to the general public, but it’s not necessary. The guys are truly sorry.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 4 July 2016 17: 05
            -1
            Ustin: In Kamrani, children were brought uphill

            They started themselves.
        3. igorka357
          igorka357 4 July 2016 19: 01
          0
          Unfortunately, professionalism can save in an emergency, when it is understandable visible and predicted! But here are a lot of catastrophic cases, precisely because a person is confident in his abilities, he overlooks dangerous factors! Sometimes an experienced driver will make a serious mistake but he’s not bewildered, sometimes it saves, and sometimes he’s not, but the newcomer simply will never allow himself to make such a mistake! It's not about this case now, I just refuted your words about the experience! And it’s known that the commander refused to fly, I knew that the visibility was zero, which is dangerous .. but still I went to extinguish, the reason is not known!
      2. NIKNN
        NIKNN 4 July 2016 18: 08
        +3
        Quote: Corporal

        One version is a loss of orientation in dense smoke.
        And I had a question - if the aircraft is involved in extinguishing fires, and indeed for flights in difficult weather conditions (Emergencies Ministry after all), what prevented the installation of equipment that allows you to see through haze, fog, rain, snow, etc. Well, there are military developments !!!

        First, deep condolences to relatives and friends. Eternal memory to the crew.

        It is not clear what orientation they have in mind, most likely spatial, which is very unlikely on this type and crew training.
        I tend to fall into the downward flow region (a fire, which is theoretically impossible to predict over it. Oxygen will burn out in large volumes instantly, turbulence is not predictable.) Perhaps the engines are suffocated, but the probability is not so high either, I don’t sin where the crew to make mistakes there and the extinguishing experience is not small. Work on a razor blade, the Lord does not always take out.
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 4 July 2016 19: 06
          0
          There is no burning out of oxygen with turbulence .. there were no strong horsemen! The smoke is very strong, as there are many foci! In order for the engines to cough up on the "Ilyusha", it is necessary to get into such a mess, which the PIC would never have gone into! Also, a failure of equipment cannot be ruled out!
      3. asiat_61
        asiat_61 4 July 2016 19: 02
        0
        fool Do you just follow the news? I actually work sometimes. How many times have the crew been blamed?
    3. engineering
      engineering 4 July 2016 08: 46
      +6
      Quote: asiat_61
      The crew will be blamed so that families don’t pay anything

      I put you minus Dear, you just don’t have to carry nonsense, people died, instead of bringing condolences to your relatives and friends, you are making all kinds of nonsense, just to make a note in the comment, and once again note the service of the Ministry of Emergencies on the negative side.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 4 July 2016 11: 02
        +11
        First of all, fires are the culprit for the death of the plane, and the fires are a consequence of the work of our "smartest" government, which abolished forestry services and allows anyone to cut and cut wood.
        That’s the reason, and the death of the crew is a consequence of the emergency fire extinguishing that occurs as a result of concealing crimes in the field of the barbaric forest hut.
        Even 25 years ago, such powerful fires in the country simply did not exist.
        Yes, it is true that the "human" factor is to blame, only this is not the factor of the hero of the Afghan pilot and his crew, who burned down like heroes along with the plane in their native sky,
        to blame is the "human factor", which sits in the silence of the Kremlin offices, the government building and the State Duma, which staged a bacchanalia in the country in all spheres of life, including forestry and aviation.
        Not a single black box, not a single recorder will show the guilt of the "leaders" from the highest offices, but we must know and remember this.
        ------------
        Sincere condolences to families, friends and relatives. soldier
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 4 July 2016 14: 14
          +3
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          Not a single black box, not a single recorder will show the guilt of the "leaders" from the highest offices, but we must know and remember this.

          Yours faithfully, hi
        2. Gray brother
          Gray brother 4 July 2016 14: 31
          0
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          the "human factor" is to blame

          If he came to the outbreak in conditions of poor visibility and difficult terrain, and dug into the hill, then it is.
          Yes, it is true that the "human" factor is to blame, only this is not the factor of the hero of the Afghan pilot and his crew, who burned down like heroes along with the plane in their native sky,

          This is called doing your duty.
          I bring to your attention that if, for example, you decide to connect your life with the army and go to a military school, then be prepared that you can die at any time - these are the risks associated with your profession.
          In the Ministry of Emergencies, the same thing is calling these people to risk their lives for the sake of others.
          Not a single black box, not a single recorder will show the guilt of the "leaders" from the highest offices, but we must know and remember this.

          I see that this is the only reason your comment was written.
          Sincere condolences

          I doubt it.
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 4 July 2016 19: 30
            +1
            The last phrase also warped! People died in the performance of their duty, it is not yet known, and it doesn’t matter because of which, by their own mistake, due to equipment failure, or because of difficult weather conditions ... but let's blame the government, but in general Putin is in charge of everything there, he’s to blame! And the fact that PHANTOM-AS is not aware that forestries work well, maybe not like before, but that they are responsible for their territory .. he talks about it, I don’t know .. incompetence or something in the forestry! For that, his government is completely to blame!
          2. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 5 July 2016 00: 21
            0
            Quote: Gray Brother
            This is called doing your duty.
            I bring to your attention that if, for example, you decide to connect your life with the army and go to a military school, then be prepared that you can die at any time - these are the risks associated with your profession.

            You throw this mentor tone!
            I did not graduate from a military school, but I know how I pay my debt to my homeland and I completely repaid my duty.
            (where and how, I’m not going to voice it, and it's not your business, who needs it knows)
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Sincere condolences
            I doubt it.

            I thought for a long time and three times started to write you an answer, but all the words were not "site".
            I don’t pop for you, to wind a censer and to wish for fluff and dust, you leave this to the worshipers.
            But to express my condolences over the death of a comrade and his crew, I have every right, and it is my duty as a soldier to give military honors to the dead.
            Do you understand this?
            and leave your doubts with you, that is, put them in a place you know. am
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 6 July 2016 23: 03
              0
              That is, Leonid Filin, or someone from the victims who graduated from military flight schools, your comrades, but didn’t you graduate from military schools? Strange, very strange, somehow it doesn’t fit .. or is it all so secret, but FANTOM-ES?
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 6 July 2016 23: 19
                0
                Quote: igorka357
                That is, Leonid Filin is a military pilot and officer, your military comrade, but didn’t you graduate from military schools? Strange, very strange!

                Karl, remember, all Shuravi are not only my comrades, but also brothers in arms!
                You understand, Karl, EVERYTHING !!!
                And on this subject I do not advise you to troll, Carl!
                Hope for understanding.
                1. igorka357
                  igorka357 6 July 2016 23: 27
                  +1
                  In vain are you hoping for Hans, there were a lot of show-offs .. but in fact it is? Remember Hans, a comrade is a person with whom you were at war and repeatedly were with him in battle, and not all who were your allies or brothers in arms! Are you going to answer, I’m waiting in PM, there’s nothing to contaminate the topic with personal skirmishes! We’ll figure out who is comrade to whom and who is brother in arms!
                  1. PHANTOM-AS
                    PHANTOM-AS 6 July 2016 23: 40
                    -1
                    Carl, you're not interested in me in any capacity laughing , and as an interlocutor is not doubly interesting.
                    And even more so, I’m not going to discuss with you the concepts of military brotherhood and brotherhood in arms.
                    Goodbye Karl and watch your sofa.
                    I have the honor soldier
                    1. igorka357
                      igorka357 7 July 2016 08: 22
                      0
                      Still the meaning of the phrase honor have you find out .. winked ! Who, when, and in what cases he was pronounced!
        3. igorka357
          igorka357 4 July 2016 19: 17
          0
          Where are you from? I don’t know how you are, but in our Irkutsk region, namely in the Ust-Ilim region, all forestries work in full, there is a forest protection department, and it also works, the entire forest raw materials base is under the control of the Ilim group, all the entrances to the forest under the checkpoint, fight as best they can! Yes, there are small thieves, they can’t block everything, but they don’t have a reason to burn either .. fawn! Most likely a large percentage of fishermen, perhaps a small percentage of hunters .. well, natural fires are not rare! 25 years ago, no one knew about the centers beyond three hundred km from the village, except military intelligence with their companions, and they were hit by a forest fire .. and such fires were extinguished by the rain sooner or later, and they were always, it was just not so with the lighting and detection smoothly!
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 5 July 2016 00: 31
            0
            Quote: igorka357
            ..a let’s blame the government, but in general there Putin is in charge of everything, it’s to blame! And the fact that PHANTOM-AS is not aware that forestries work well may not be the same as before

            What can I tell you? so as not to offend ...
            Read the Forestry Code! learn materiel, and then bubble up on the site with your advocacy skills in favor of powerful "geniuses".
            The new forest code (which, incidentally, was pushed by President Putin in 2006) shifted the concern for 800 million hectares of the country's forest to the regions to the greatest advantage of a handful of paper and paper oligarchs. By abolishing a number of federal services, this code led to the dismissal of 53 foresters, who played an important role in preventing and eliminating crisis situations.
            Many services, which were already in poor condition, fell into complete decline: fire departments in many villages lost their source of funding and were closed, and fire-fighting ponds of the Soviet era were abandoned long ago.
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 6 July 2016 11: 20
              +1
              Firefighting ponds in Moscow parks, smart guy! In the deep taiga, there have never been any firefighting ponds and foresters, and even more so those who were abolished, this is first of all! Brotherly paratroopers-firefighters can not always get to the fire, and you about foresters, do you even imagine the work of a forester? Secondly, a handful of paper oligarchs will monitor their base better than half of the thumping and nichrome not doing foresters, since their earnings directly depend on this, these oligarchs, and one of them "international paper "their services and forestry, which for a good salary and do not drink at work and work efficiently! There have never been fire brigades in the villages, what are you talking about?
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 6 July 2016 23: 12
                0
                Quote: igorka357
                Do you even imagine the work of a forester?

                Yoёo, you’ve already switched over, I don’t know the current! do you understand?
                I tell you to teach materiel, do not disgrace.
                ----------
                Fire safety requirements in the forests of the USSR

                Fire safety rules [95], approved by a resolution of the USSR Council of Ministers on June 18, 1971, establish mandatory fire safety requirements in the forest, as well as liability for violation of the rules. These rules are mandatory for all enterprises, organizations and institutions, regardless of their departmental subordination and for citizens.

                http://dendrology.ru/books/item/f00/s00/z0000036/st065.shtml

                The picture is clickable
                1. igorka357
                  igorka357 6 July 2016 23: 42
                  0
                  Do you Hans even understand what you posted, it's just a list of funds that the timber industry should allocate in case of forest fires on its plots! If you’re not in the topic, don’t disgrace yourself! Lespromkhoz makes over 200 thousand cubes according to your table and it has 2 4 cubes of water ... listen, well, I do not even want to answer this your attack with the table ..)))
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 4 July 2016 08: 34
    +8
    My condolences to the family and friends of the pilots of the crashed plane.

    Flying over fires is a very dangerous business ... there is a specialist article about this ...
    it is a pity for the dead people ... but we must draw conclusions and no longer repeat such incidents.
  6. Abbra
    Abbra 4 July 2016 08: 40
    +4
    Deep condolences to relatives, friends and colleagues ... Alas, this happens ... To serve in the Ministry of Emergencies is often a risk.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 July 2016 08: 40
    +4
    Condolences to the relatives of the victims. What else do you say? The commission will understand the reasons.
  8. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge 4 July 2016 08: 40
    +7
    Sincere condolences to the fallen heroes of the workers of such a difficult and courageous profession.
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  10. BOB044
    BOB044 4 July 2016 08: 47
    +2
    The kingdom to them is heaven. The earth to them rest in peace.
  11. anchabali
    anchabali 4 July 2016 08: 49
    .
    No one will pay them compensation! Was there a disaster in Egypt? They have not yet been paid! Medvedev Has No Money!
    1. vlad66
      vlad66 4 July 2016 09: 11
      +14
      Quote: anchabali
      No one will pay them compensation!

      Absolutely fool Roof pitched? 2,7lama-1,7lama from the insurance company and one from the Ministry of Emergency Situations, If only the relatives and friends of the crew expressed sympathy and condolences, there are no words ...... am
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 4 July 2016 19: 31
        +2
        A troll is not worth so many letters, and a keyboard resource, remember!
  12. corporal
    corporal 4 July 2016 08: 50
    +4
    Rest in peace.
    What a pity the crew, they put out our taiga.
  13. Evil 55
    Evil 55 4 July 2016 08: 51
    +9
    Tired of people, tired of technology, tired of the earth burning .. And the cattle that started the fire, at least die the same death as people who saved settlements from the fire element ..
    1. 3 Gorynych
      3 Gorynych 4 July 2016 09: 01
      +9
      Plus - why don’t they crush those bastards that fires are arranged, because most fires are arson and mostly intentional ...
      1. Very old
        Very old 4 July 2016 10: 13
        +12
        I doubt that we will see:
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 4 July 2016 13: 08
          +2
          I am afraid that only such measures remained in this situation.
        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 4 July 2016 20: 27
          -1
          About "caught at the crime scene":

          - when this document was written, there were no mobile phones yet, for example
          - you can activate a "bookmark" via your mobile ... yes, anytime, within the battery life on the bookmark
          - and who's there "at the crime scene" you will catch

          The simplest, by the way, option request
        3. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 5 July 2016 01: 37
          0
          Quote: Very old
          Very old

          My respect for the document! hi
          Bravo! +100500 good
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 4 July 2016 19: 34
      0
      It’s very difficult to find, endless taiga, we’re going to extinguish from my city for two or three hundred kilometers! Well, whoever sets fire there, the hunter who has the land there, so he didn’t burn his money, he’d be happy to find the arsonist himself! you will not punish at all!
  14. Lyton
    Lyton 4 July 2016 09: 03
    +1
    I feel sorry for the peasants, the earth rest in peace, I am inclined to the version of the human factor, crew fatigue or something else, but we can never know the truth, usually people know it very close to this work.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 4 July 2016 19: 36
      0
      We went out a lot to put out, only that morning there was a second way out!
  15. PValery53
    PValery53 4 July 2016 09: 07
    +4
    Condolences to the relatives of the dead rescuers. I regret that there were so many people in a specialized airplane.
    1. corporal
      corporal 4 July 2016 10: 45
      +5
      Quote: PValery53
      I regret that there were so many people in a specialized airplane.

      Here is the crew:
      Eagle owl L. S. (aircraft commander)
      Lebedev A. A (Co-pilot)
      Petrov G. L. (Navigator)
      Kuznetsov V.N. (Flight Engineer)
      Murakhin I.E. (Bortradist)
      Makarov S.A. (Flight operator)
      Suslov S. A. (Flight operator)
      Khadaev M.M. (Flight operator)
      Zhdanov V.G. (Aviation technician)
      Mashninov A.M. (Aviation technician)

      And according to Irkutsk media reports, the crew of the Irkutsk television company wanted to board the boat. But they did not agree in advance and remained on the ground.
      So it goes.
  16. sergej30003
    sergej30003 4 July 2016 09: 11
    +5
    he who does not fly does not fall! we will draw conclusions and again into the air! Eternal memory to pilots!
  17. umka571
    umka571 4 July 2016 09: 19
    +5
    They killed people. Infa slipped into the media that they had made a private shop out of their detachment, someone from the Ministry for Emergencies made a feeder for themselves on the campaign. The men were immediately cut salaries, both for flying and technical staff, techies received 7-8 thousand a month, this is for Moscow. Everything happened under the regular slogan of optimization. Well, and what it ends up with, we all remember the example of the Defense Ministry era of Mr. Taburetkin. Earth to rest you guys.
  18. weksha50
    weksha50 4 July 2016 09: 31
    +3
    "" Major versions are associated with the human factor, the efficiency of technology and the influence of the environment"" ...

    A thoughtful statement ...
  19. Baloo
    Baloo 4 July 2016 09: 32
    +11
    Forests burn at about the same time each year. The Ministry of Emergencies has no specialists, there is no forecasting and monitoring technique for prevention?
    Half a century ago, in popular science journals, they wrote that satellites can be used to determine what is planted, the degree of maturity, and the optimal harvesting time.
    I remember in Gorbachev's times there was a story in the Komsomol about an amazing full-time meteorologist of one of the Siberian railways. He accurately predicted earthquakes, floods and fires to the nearest month, even in Canada and other parts of the world.
    And in the Ministry of Emergencies with their computers, satellites and other gadgets can not predict and take adequate preventive measures? It seems strange to me.
    Sorry for the rescuers. Condolences to loved ones.
    1. Beaver
      Beaver 4 July 2016 10: 20
      +3
      Quote: Balu
      The Ministry of Emergencies has no specialists, there is no forecasting and monitoring technique for prevention?

      Prevention of forest fires is provided by forest inventory:
      - the forest is cut into quarters, separated by wide clearings, a fire cannot spread from one block to another;
      - inside and along the edges of the quarters, strips of rock resistant to fire are planted;
      - the forest is cleared of undergrowth, so that the ground fire (grass, moss) does not go into the horse fire (crowns of mature trees).
      Apparently, foresters do not perform these works, and the Ministry of Emergencies cannot force them. sad Which of them lacks satellites?
      Respect and memory for those heroes who are forced to take risks, eliminating the consequences of another's gouging. Condolences to family and friends.
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 4 July 2016 19: 48
        +1
        Have you copied from somewhere, or yourself in the subject? If in the subject, you need to know what the quarters look like in the endless taiga, it’s sometimes difficult to find them! No one is planting anything along the edges of the quarters, it’s physically impossible! And you can to ask what kind of forest is being cleared from undergrowth ..? Are you going to clear the whole taiga from undergrowth? We now have only one outbreak in 30t.ha!
    2. Very old
      Very old 4 July 2016 10: 39
      +2
      Yes, it’s just Balu - I’m talking about a meteorologist from Kuzbass
      He predicted the exact route and time of the hurricane in CUBA.
      At first, they did not believe in Havana - where is Russian Siberia and where is Cuba ...
      But just in case, they took action

      Result: award to the meteorologist from the Cuban government, from the grateful people of Cuba!
    3. igorka357
      igorka357 4 July 2016 19: 43
      0
      You wanted to say in science fiction? Half a century ago, there were no cell phones at all, and the only thing our rare satellites watched was the air carrier groups of the likely enemy, what degree of maturity, what are you talking about? in Komsomolskaya Pravda, this is Uncle Vasya Tungus, I personally knew him, and a dozen or two more! So don’t bring nonsense, you can predict and predict the percentage, but the percentage is not big! Last year, our region was on fire, I’m not from the forest climbed out, in the past a couple of races of everything, but here again the pipe thing!
  20. Aleksander
    Aleksander 4 July 2016 09: 37
    +3
    “The main versions are related to the human factor, operability of the equipment and the influence of the environment,” said the representative of the committee Nikolay Yakimenko.

    Could say nothing: can there be OTHER versions other than those listed?
    Families of the deceased, deep condolences.
  21. Vladimir
    Vladimir 4 July 2016 10: 04
    +2
    What can I say, there are no people, there is no plane, and it is unlikely that such cases can be prevented or foreseen one hundred percent, equipment is equipment and sometimes it fails. I am very sorry for the families and relatives of the victims.
  22. runway
    runway 4 July 2016 10: 06
    0
    No payments and our condolences will not return and will not replace our guys.
    Sending a heavy plane in conditions of zero visibility to extinguish is a crime. It is known that the crew commander was against departure, but obeyed the order. Who gave the criminal flight order?
    Will those responsible be prosecuted for the deaths? Very doubtful. In my memory there are many cases when large hand guides came out clean in such cases. Under the current Supreme Commander, the price of a pilot is 2.7 million rubles .....
    Farewell....
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 4 July 2016 19: 58
      +1
      Another "cat abandoned kittens"? What does the supreme commander-in-chief have to do with it? Does he have to personally control every person in the country, or maybe he brought the country to this, and ... perhaps he should snap his fingers and we must heal like Christ in the bosom? Such nonsense in general!
  23. Letnab
    Letnab 4 July 2016 10: 23
    +3
    My condolences to the relatives of the dead ....
    Judging by the information on the Greenpeace forum, before departure, the crew refused to take off due to bad weather conditions, i.e. heavy smoke in the area of ​​work ... But under pressure from the leadership they were forced to fly out.
    I don’t understand, we also often fly through fires in very strong smoke conditions, and this is small aircraft (An-2 and Mi-8), respectively, the flight speeds are much lower than that of the IL-76, but damn it, if the ground is not visible at the minimum safe height , do not climb below, especially in mountainous areas. Sometimes we have to work on fires literally by "touch", but at least we know our area like the back of our hand, and it often helps .. Why send such a large car to work below the minimum safe height in conditions of zero visibility and in mountainous terrain? And how was it necessary to put pressure on the crew that they decided to fly, after all, they had the right to refuse ...?
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 4 July 2016 20: 01
      +1
      Guessing, guessing, the causes of the crash are not yet known, a technical failure is possible, and the board worked at a safe height .. then everything rises in its place!
  24. horizon
    horizon 4 July 2016 10: 38
    -1
    Doesn’t it seem strange to anyone that the whole plane burned down? And the landing gear, and four engines made of heat-resistant steel? And one more thing: the trees nearby remained intact, and this was during and in the zone of forest fires that this plane extinguished. If a fire can start from an unquenched match, then there should be several other consequences from a burning plane. In the photo at the place of the fire, the logs are wooden - they did not burn! A metal plane is ALL! Can someone explain this oddity?
    Crew the earth in peace!
    1. Letnab
      Letnab 4 July 2016 11: 14
      +3
      pay attention to the crash site, apparently the plane entered the ground at an acute angle, it is not clear only whether it is a mountainside or a plain. Something similar was seen in Kamchatka in 1996, when the An-26 crashed into a mountain, everything also fell compactly, and practically nothing was left, and this is in early spring in the snow. And the fact that the forest did not burn out, apparently the plane fell on a fresh burner (burning from a forest fire), as indicated by the burner around the place of fall and a tree stand damaged by fire, the ground cover and undergrowth burned out, and therefore the fire has nowhere to spread from the plane
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    3. Letnab
      Letnab 4 July 2016 11: 28
      0
      and the area is marshy, heavy parts could plunge into the swamp ..
  25. Pitot
    Pitot 4 July 2016 10: 38
    +1
    Information flashed around the box that the whole catastrophe was indirectly (or maybe not) related to optimization in the Ministry of Emergencies. In short, the crews were reduced, and the rest are working for wear. Sabotage? Depilism? And what is more dangerous?
  26. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 4 July 2016 11: 03
    +11
    Himself from the Irkutsk region. I remember this chaos, which began in the 90s, when the forests suddenly began to burn, and they are still burning (well, I don’t remember that in the 80s the forests burned, although sometimes I spent time in the forests from dawn to dusk, and they burned fires 10 times a day, and all the others did the same). 90s: every (!) Summer I could, breathe hard, smell of burning. Now it is even cooler: the death of people (my condolences to all those close to you), the colossal costs of extinguishing, restoring what was burned - entire villages are burned down. And the forests? The "lungs" of the planet. Areas close in size to the average European states are burning out. Our heritage, the heritage of our descendants. And 10 years ago I moved to Belarus. Not advertising, just a statement of fact: forests practically do not burn (they burn, but dozens of times weaker). I forgot what the smoke in the city from the fires is. How they got it: stupidly banned walk into the forest in dangerous periods all

    http://www.kp.by/daily/26395.4/3272171/ - (link, so as not to be unfounded) and severe fines for making a fire in the forest. I myself understand that this is practically impossible, but it works - the forests do not burn (I didn’t fall under the penalty myself, and there are no friends who got into it). HZ I myself often swear when it’s impossible to go out into the woods for a picnic, but remember the fires and scratch your turnips: is it really necessary?
    There is a second version: when I lived in Siberia, there were rumors (or rather, information, I myself do not trust rumors) that the forests are set on fire by those who want to hide the cut forest. In favor of this version, there is practically no "unaccounted" and unattended forest in Belarus (the territory all Belarus is 3 times smaller than the Irkutsk region), it is even more unrealistic to sell or export it abroad. Therefore: why set it on fire? In Russia, I don’t know how it is now, but earlier it was not so difficult to "legalize" a forest cut down in an unknown place. And selling it to, say, China is not very expensive.
    Isn't it time for our snickering government of the Irkutsk region (oh.renet: the government (!) Of the region), and everyone else to raise their asses from their seats and start punishing and checking. It is necessary to fight against the cause, not the effect. But here is the problem: who "protects" those who act according to the 2nd version?

    ps once again condolences to the dead.
    1. Letnab
      Letnab 4 July 2016 11: 25
      +4
      In our country, too, visiting the forest during fire hazardous periods is limited by weather conditions. And these standards have been in force since Soviet times, what we have in Russia, what you have, as I understand in Belarus. It’s just that it all comes to naught by not enforcing the law. Although in our area, when high fire hazard classes occur, regulations prohibit visits to areas of fire hazardous forests, in fact, all forests ...
      Now it’s not necessary to burn the forest in order to steal and sell, the main thing is to properly arrange and agree with the regulatory authorities ... This is what we must fight against ...
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    3. horizon
      horizon 4 July 2016 11: 48
      +5
      To paraphrase the poet: After all, if the forests are lit, then does anyone need this?
      The fact is that burning a forest is economically beneficial for those who have connections in the administration of the region. The fact is that the undergrowth often burns out, and on adult trees it charred the bark (as in the photo in the article). And this forest, by permission of the authorities, is being sold as burned, under cutting down at a bargain price to the right people on the right conditions. In fact, wood does not differ in any way from the standard one (it can be distinguished by a special one, but a simple person does not). Here the forests are burning.
      And in the current state of affairs, they will always burn.
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 4 July 2016 20: 12
        0
        You don’t understand what you’re talking about, where there are good forests, it’s mainly timber raw material bases .. they are under the control of the owners, and they protect them, the regional authorities have nothing to do with these bases! If the trunk burned down at least a meter from the bottom , the export is covered, the sawlog may come down .. and if it’s not pine, but for the sake of balance it makes no sense to burn! The dark conifer hardly burns out, very rarely above a meter, if the young growth is frequent .. but to find dark coniferous forest for export ... let's say in our database Ilim groups are almost impossible, rarely logs, the rest is all balance, everything is in chips!
    4. Svetlana
      Svetlana 4 July 2016 14: 24
      +2
      Quote: S_Baykala
      It is necessary to fight against the cause, not the effect. But here is the problem: who "protects" those who act according to the 2nd version?

      The answer to this question was very extensively given by PHANTOM-AS.
    5. lesnik1978
      lesnik1978 4 July 2016 16: 11
      +3
      Last year, our forests burned heavily (on the border with Ukraine) Over 16 thousand burned out. hectares. Hohlomori set fire to. Republican newspapers wrote about these fires.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 4 July 2016 20: 18
        +1
        Quote: lesnik1978
        . Republican newspapers wrote about these fires.

        It is useless to contact such people. They are not readers, but writers.
        I wrote my own, I dragged Putin and the "Kremlin offices", and there at least the grass won't grow ...
  27. Xmyp
    Xmyp 4 July 2016 11: 34
    +2
    Quote: evgenii67
    Quote: weksha50
    A single system, like an air defense net, no longer exists with the collapse of the Union ... So far, we are trying to restore at least something ...

    as I understand it, purely hypothetically in Siberia and the Far East, an enemy squadron can fly freely and not one, and there will be nothing to them, because we are blind ?? !!

    In the 90s, everyone was already pounding
  28. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 4 July 2016 11: 48
    +2
    I read yesterday on one Russian news resource that, according to testimonies, the pilots for a long time refused to fly, citing very strong smoke and high temperature in that area, but this news was already deleted.
  29. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 4 July 2016 12: 30
    +1
    Put everything on the technique. The new director of the Ministry of Emergencies could squeeze money for those services. An airplane can fly in dense smoke for some time without surging.
  30. Dark
    Dark 4 July 2016 16: 39
    -2
    And where are the wings, engines, cabin? Fell at low altitude, but apart from the tail there are no debris !? In Rostov-on-Don, and this case of tragedy looks like, how similar !? Not clean here!
    1. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 4 July 2016 18: 24
      0
      Quote: Dark
      And where are the wings, engines, cabin? Fell at low altitude, but apart from the tail there are no debris !? In Rostov-on-Don, and this case of tragedy looks like, how similar !? Not clean here!

      In such disasters, an aircraft-grade aluminum alloy burns out, leaving almost nothing, in a few minutes. The tail, on the other hand, survived because there were no fuel tanks in it, and upon impact and explosion it was thrown a little to the side.
      1. Dark
        Dark 4 July 2016 18: 33
        -3
        Perhaps! And why the trees are not cut when the plane crashes ah?
  31. i7sems
    i7sems 4 July 2016 21: 22
    0
    eternal memory to the guys .. don’t we judge them
  32. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 5 July 2016 00: 22
    +1
    Quote: weksha50
    Quote: evgenii67
    I don’t understand. They talk about growing up. Air defense, such as in the world, if not the best, then one of the most effective, then the question is, how is it that a whole plane or some sort of maize, and a healthy IL-76 disappears is it not a needle?



    A single system, like an air defense net, no longer exists with the collapse of the Union ... So far, we are trying to restore at least something ...

    The same is true with our civilian aeroflot and its aerodromes, tracking systems ...

    And there, where the fires were extinguished, they were probably outside the control zone ... Somehow ...

    MINUS.
    Do not carry nonsense !!!
    If you are not aware of the topic, it is better to be silent !!!
  33. RoTTor
    RoTTor 5 July 2016 01: 23
    0
    Eternal Flight!
    Eternal Heaven YOU, HEROES-AVIATORS


    http://www.irk.kp.ru/daily/26550.5/3566769/
  34. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 5 July 2016 01: 49
    +2
    Slightly less than 30 years in flight management (no PL).
    You won’t return the guys, but DO NOT NEED to carry nonsense !!! Better, remember me at home!
  35. romandostalo
    romandostalo 5 July 2016 01: 56
    0
    There was information that with the departure of Shoigu and the advent of a new chief in the Ministry of Emergencies, everything fell apart. I do not claim, because I do not own the information, but according to comments on various reports, there is an eerie desire to shoot someone as a pest and enemy of the people!
  36. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 5 July 2016 13: 11
    0
    Quote: i7sems
    eternal memory to the guys .. don’t we judge them

    Everlasting memory. I never judge pilots in any disasters, I just imagine how they die and that's it!
  37. Mista_dj
    Mista_dj 18 July 2016 18: 25
    +2
    Trouble, trouble ...

    I am sure that the FAC and his pravak did everything they could and "dragged" - to the last!
    Good memory to them and to the whole crew:
    Eagle owl L. S .; Lebedev A.A .; Petrov G. L .; Kuznetsov V.N .; Murakhin I.E .; Makarov S.A .; Suslov S.A .;
    Khadaev M.M .; Zhdanov V.G .; Mashninov A.M.

    Sincere condolences to the families of the deceased pilots!
  38. Chief Officer
    Chief Officer 8 August 2016 10: 23
    +1
    And now, cross your fingers: the commission will voice its findings ...