Fights near Aleppo exposed the differences between Russia and its allies

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Fights near Aleppo exposed the differences between Russia and its alliesAfter the advance of the Syrian troops on Rakku choked, the fighting moved to other areas of the country. Mostly under Aleppo, where the clashes do not stop for a minute. And it was there that unexpectedly clearly manifested contradictions between the government army and its allies, primarily Russia and Iran.

The Government’s Syrian Arab Army (CAA) is the main military instrument of power, which is supported by Russian military contingents, intelligence, advisers and auxiliary units. It is with the General Staff of the CAA in Damascus, as well as with its representatives and senior officers in the field that the Russian base Chemeim coordinates its work.

This, however, goes without saying, since legally the Russian contingent is in Syria at the invitation of the government, and its powers are governed by interstate agreements and treaties. Finally, the system of unity of command must work even in the Arab world, therefore, the CAA and its General Staff are the highest military authority of Damascus, which plans military operations against jihadists. How and how successfully she does it is another question. It is important that the Syrian General Staff should contact all its allies, building a hierarchy of military submission and bringing orders to execution, while the Russian HVAC is only a tool of international assistance, and not a political argument. And precisely in this part in the last week and a half there was a clear misunderstanding, which is especially pronounced in the battles in and around Aleppo.

In the past eight days, the VKS RF has repeatedly struck areas to the north of Aleppo. Their participation played a key role in advancing parts of the CAA (primarily the Tigers assault division) in the Mallah farmland area, which are occupied by Dzhebhat al-Nusra and Harakat Nuriddin al-Zinki. Russian bombers attacked all the reinforcements of the jihadists before they could reach the front line. At the same time, objects and positions of Islamists in the mountains of Hanadat and the Anadan Valley were subjected to bombardment, the planes made up to 30 sorties a day.

Against this background, the 4-I mechanized division of government troops on Wednesday morning launched a new offensive in the northern sector - already in the city of Aleppo. The preliminary target was the industrial development area between the districts of al-Khalidiya and al-Layramun. Al-Khalidiya is now virtually cleared, but al-Lairamun is still controlled by jihadists (and quite a long time).

CAA promotion is extremely slow. In addition, in this area there are no key, iconic points, the seizure of which would be propaganda attractive. There is a heavy war routine that no one likes. The same Tiger division, considered elite (commanded by the well-known in Syria, Colonel Suhail Hassan) will not move until the Russian bombers have completed their positions in front of her. Even the message about the breakthrough of the first line of defense of the jihadists in Mallach was two days late, and there is still no information about the success of the offensive. And this is in an Arab country where good newsAs a rule, they are ahead of the event itself.

Local sources directly link this with the fact that in the morning of June 30 Russian planes did not take off. At all. After eight days of intense raids on the position of jihadists north of Aleppo, the VKS took time out and the CAA immediately stopped. Apparently, drink coffee.

More confusing is the situation south of Aleppo, where there is a war of all against all. The forces of the so-called moderate opposition periodically try to discourage several neighborhoods and gardens south and south-west of the city from ISIS, and the jihadists, in response, attempt to move westward. The presence of Iran is large in this area, both in the form of so-called volunteer units and in the form of units of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards officially present in the country. The Shiite militia is formally independent, but it focuses more on Iranian generals than on the General Staff in Damascus.
At the same time, Iranian and Shiite units south of Aleppo do not receive air support from the Russian Federation Air Force. Deprived of air support and the Kurds who surrounded Manbij. Americans fly to them extremely rarely and mostly not with combat missions, but with transport ones (that is, “donkeys work”, dropping cargo, fearing to drop to a dangerous height due to suspicions about the appearance of American MANPADS at ISIL). As a result, the Shiites and Kurds began to suffer heavy losses, which led to their sharp reaction to what was happening.

Accusations of treason rained down against Russian videoconferencing, but the notion that “Russia fell into the trap of the United States” dominates, agreeing to divide the zones of air responsibility and continue the endless process of separating “clean” oppositionists from “unclean”. The “peacemaking” is particularly annoying for the Allies - concluding local ceasefire agreements with specific groups that were not seen in ISIL relations, or with mukhtars (elders-mayors) of certain localities and local militia commanders.

This information wave has so far emanated exclusively from Tehran and its allied Beirut. Other Shiite allies of Damascus (for example, Hezbollah, completely independent in terms of making tactical military decisions) are involved in local operations in other regions of the country, without poisoning their consciousness with similar conspiracy constructs. Thus, on the Syrian-Lebanese border on Thursday morning, government forces, with the support of Hezbollah, destroyed several water pumps supplying drinking water to an ISIL base in the Jarud Jarajir region in the Kalamoun mountains. At the same time, the CAA and Hezbollah launched a military operation against terrorists in the same mountains, as recently the ISIS units attacked the Lebanese settlement of Jarud Ka'a and committed pogroms of non-Sunni populations there. At the same time, the CAA and Hezbollah emphasize that they received all the necessary intelligence information both on the ISIL camp and on the location of the water pumps from the “Russian advisers”. The situation is similar in the Golan Heights.
From the point of view of circles close to Tehran, Russia should “still push” in the Aleppo area, intensifying the bombardment of the positions of jihadists and “secular” oppositionists south of the city. And the point here is not that Russian air strikes are few. The fact is that they are consistent with Damascus and are aimed at supporting the actions of primarily government troops, and not the Persians or PMCs. The recent abandonment of the front under Rakka by the lauded Eagles of the Desert, by the way, is another argument in favor of dealing with the General Staff in Damascus, and not with a dozen small centers of influence.

Shiites and PMCs nevertheless continue to appeal to Moscow, openly demanding direct support. The more losses the Persians are south of Aleppo and the Kurds around Manbij, the more insulting the style that “talking heads” use in Tehran and Beirut. The current trend is something like “putinsley” in Persian, and the lack of departure of bombers with Hamim is considered almost a betrayal due to weather conditions.

This is already quite annoying. The Russian operation in Syria has been going on for almost 9 months, during which time outstanding military and political successes were achieved. But some participants in the events were so accustomed to Russian help - and aviation, and intelligence, and humanitarian - that ceased to feel without her. If a large white steel bird with a red star on its wings does not arrive, some will not distort the shutter.

Russia is facing this is not the first time, but in the East, such a parasitism on a blue-eyed and reliable ally sometimes takes extreme forms. Even mentally self-sufficient Kurds sat down on the mountains around Manbij, without any progress, than gave the initiative to LIH, and now they are sluggishly fighting off bagged jihadists, who have nowhere to go, so they are ready to go. Hence the large-scale use of suicide bombers to break through the first line of defense and destroy fortifications. In this regard, the death of June, a Russian soldier Andrei Timashenkov, who took the bomber’s suicide attack attempt to attack a humanitarian convoy in Homs province, is particularly revealing. Similar attacks on the positions of Persians, Shiites, Kurds and various PMCs end with the destruction of the front and heavy losses, as was the case, for example, with the recent ISIS counter-attack under Raqqa.
The blame for this “misunderstanding” lies partly in Damascus, which really “privatized” Russian military aid and does not want to share with anyone. It will not be possible to break the mentality of the Persians and other allies, he, too, is part of the game, but the CAA General Headquarters still needs to attend to a clearer planning of strategic operations. Determine the priorities and easily explain them to all allies, spreading them along the appropriate perches. And if the throwing between several strategic goals continues at the same time, the case may reach open sabotage.
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  1. 0
    2 July 2016 06: 21
    The war is at war, so they will not rush.
    1. +16
      2 July 2016 06: 46
      They quickly get used to good things ... And on the other hand, the SA's slowness can be explained by "war fatigue", in fact, they fight in the environment for a long time! And the devils from all over the world there is a constant rotation of fighters ...
      1. +19
        2 July 2016 07: 48
        Quote: from article
        If a large white steel bird with a red star on its wings does not arrive, some will not distort the shutter.

        Here the author is right ... Local warriors, fools began to wallow.
        Wandering around the place of the bombardment and kicking the corpses of the barmalei - at that, we’ll do it.
        And let the Russians start to run, sweat and throw these very barmaley.
        Quote: Chariton
        And the devils from all over the world go there is a constant rotation of militants ...

        And with this everything is correct, the Merikosy do not regret the dough for "fresh", and they breed the dregs on the ground very professionally.
        1. WKS
          +1
          2 July 2016 11: 29
          As long as the Americans are "putting a spoke in the wheels" the war in Syria will continue. It is necessary to smash all this so-called "armed opposition" from the air. Burn the ground where they are in spite of the American screams.
        2. +2
          2 July 2016 12: 27
          Everything is so, one-man management should rule. Although in these conditions it turned out at the beginning. The trouble is that we all agree with the "partners (God forgive me)", and they merge in full. Now, if we could "put" on them ..., it would have gone better, well, I would not have yelled, and that is very long, you never know stupid objective reasons.
      2. +1
        2 July 2016 08: 46
        I support the article, unified command is the path to victory.
      3. +1
        2 July 2016 08: 58
        Khariton, you are absolutely right: the good is always grafted into quickly. And barmaley like cockroaches crawl out of all cracks. Unlike the "forces of light" (conventional name), their combination is debugged like clockwork, and even with Iran (our closest neighbor and ally) we do not have complete mutual understanding
        1. +2
          2 July 2016 09: 33
          Quote: Monarchist
          and even with Iran (our closest neighbor and ally) we don’t have full understanding

          Is Iran Ally? Rather, a temporary companion, and this is at best. And perhaps they, as befits Muslims, do not shy away from using the infidels for their own purposes, but this does not oblige them with respect to the infidels.
        2. 0
          2 July 2016 10: 53
          Quote: Monarchist
          Khariton, you are absolutely right: the good is always grafted into quickly. And barmaley like cockroaches crawl out of all cracks. Unlike the "forces of light" (conventional name), their combination is debugged like clockwork, and even with Iran (our closest neighbor and ally) we do not have complete mutual understanding

          Thank you (my weaving to you!) But you better stay away from me ... "Gnobyat"
          I don’t want to be hooked too .. hi
          Arabs respect power and at the same time (who will pay more ..))) You are right of course! And yet, our actions in the Middle East are correct .. (we grind the devils there ..) soldier
    2. +9
      2 July 2016 06: 55
      If everything is as it is written in the article, then everything is sad. In war, the principle of unity of command has not been canceled. It's a mess when everyone fights on his own
      1. +4
        2 July 2016 08: 58
        Quote: In100gram
        If everything is as it is written in the article, then everything is sad. In war, the principle of unity of command has not been canceled.

        It is not a matter of unity of command, but of the desire to fight with the wrong hands. The peoples of the Middle East have always been famous for this. In part, they can be understood — fatigue from the war, and the material base of the army is far from ideal — but this does not simplify the situation.
        1. -1
          2 July 2016 22: 05
          Quote: Verdun
          but in the desire to fight with the wrong hands. It has always been famous peoples of the middle east. Partly, you can understand them - fatigue from the war, and the material base of the army is far from ideal
          Except Israel. They always fought for themselves, and the materiel was such that everyone around was envious. Tired - maybe in the entire history of the country they did not have one peaceful day, a maximum ceasefire. But in this case, a good war is better than a bad world (return to the borders of 1948 and the reception of refugees).
      2. 0
        2 July 2016 19: 33
        It's a mess when everyone fights on his own


        Well, if you recall, problems of this kind haunted the USSR, and now the Russian Federation. This applies to both Arabs and Egyptians, now in Syria. The mentality of the population living in those parts of the country is peculiar, which Primakov spoke about many times.
    3. +2
      2 July 2016 06: 56
      it’s all right, someone but yourself is to blame for the failures, but the war is dragging on, so the question of the withdrawal of the Russian VKS is becoming acute, why was this done if the war did not end?
      1. +4
        2 July 2016 07: 04
        Quote: Paul1
        the question of the withdrawal of the Russian VKS takes on an acute form; why was this done if the war did not end?
        And who then, almost single-handedly, destroys the Shaitans from the air (as explicitly stated in the article)? Derived Russian VKS?
        1. 0
          2 July 2016 07: 34
          "alone."? .. It's hard not to notice the Syrian Air Force.
          1. +3
            2 July 2016 08: 38
            "alone."? .. It's hard not to notice the Syrian Air Force.

            Personally, I notice them in a large number of emergency situations.
            1. +4
              2 July 2016 09: 43
              Quote: Cheshire
              Personally, I notice them in a large number of emergency situations.
              Which is not surprising. The Arabs and new equipment quickly bring to the state of the old, and even the old with many worked out resources, the main thing is to bring them to a state so that they can take off, report and how long they last in the air and whether they can sit down - the will of Allah.
          2. 0
            2 July 2016 16: 57
            Quote: samarin1969
            "alone."? .. It's hard not to notice the Syrian Air Force.

            Perhaps this is said too loudly - Syrian Air Force smile
        2. 0
          2 July 2016 12: 55
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          And who then, almost single-handedly, destroys the Shaitans from the air (as explicitly stated in the article)? Derived Russian VKS?


          But the fact that the VCS brought out is of course a dog frangie?
    4. +19
      2 July 2016 08: 07
      5 years are the database. 5 years there is not even a hint of a winner.

      An obsession wakes up that some kind of force / forces very carefully maintain a balance between the warring parties ...
      1. -2
        2 July 2016 08: 32
        Quote: Maki Avellevich
        5 years are the database. 5 years there is not even a hint of a winner.

        An obsession wakes up that some kind of force / forces very carefully maintain a balance between the warring parties ...

        Until last fall, there was a hint of a winner, no need.
        1. +3
          2 July 2016 10: 46
          Quote: Maki Avellevich
          5 years are the database. 5 years there is not even a hint of a winner.

          An obsession wakes up that some kind of force / forces very carefully maintain a balance between the warring parties ...

          Until last fall, there was a hint of a winner, no need.


          Another proof that the scales only swayed in the direction of solving the problem, when "strength / forces" immediately returned to the balance "neither peace, nor war." It was a strange feeling - everyone was moving actively, then they began to mark time, as if expecting someone or something ... is it really "everything is just beginning"? .. Who will start first? Judging by the "rake of history" will blaze from Europe, even if today it seems incredible ... Although ... "Annushka has already spilled oil" (C) request
        2. 0
          2 July 2016 16: 59
          Quote: Muvka
          Until last fall, there was a hint of a winner,

          And where is he ? Half a year has passed. request
      2. +5
        2 July 2016 10: 02
        I agree with you BRO for all 100%; and note that this article had the right to appear much earlier. She MUST have appeared earlier, but appeared only now, when suddenly for some reason the Russian Federation and Turkey for no reason, for no reason, decided to make peace, i.e. when it remains to make one movement in order to crush this reptile, suddenly, for some reason, snot starts to chew.
        1. 0
          2 July 2016 11: 19
          She MUST have appeared earlier


          Why so in this article? Well, the allies grabbed for air support. This is not only the allies, but even in neighboring units of the same army is the place to be. Another thing is that rhetoric from the Iranians is rotten. But this once again confirms that Russia does not have real allies, only fellow travelers. But this is not a reason to turn their nose away from them, you just need to use them to your advantage.
    5. +1
      2 July 2016 12: 36
      I don't remember in the entire history of conflicts in the Middle East, when the Arabs "fought" quickly and effectively!
      1. 0
        2 July 2016 15: 39
        I don’t understand, but that the Iranian Air Force will not support its guards from the air? For one and practice.
  2. +11
    2 July 2016 06: 36
    I recall a photo of the 90s from some Middle East war. Right on the position of the shooters is TV and several people are watching the World Cup. No patrol, no security. Well, they are such a people, what to do ...
    1. +2
      2 July 2016 06: 49
      Quote: Galleon
      Well, they are such a people, what to do ...

      The East is a delicate matter ... It seems that in Syria now there is a "Brownian movement" - a chaotic movement of shooting people. Who is at war with whom, what tasks they have - here the devil will break his head. Without a single command and clear planning, this can go on indefinitely.
      1. +3
        2 July 2016 08: 12
        Karasik
        Without a single command and clear planning, this can go on forever.


        During the civil war in Russia after the revolution, there was also no unified command command, but still the database ended somehow ...
      2. +4
        2 July 2016 09: 02
        For example, the JAF has a single command (well, in general, the JAF coalition itself was made by Nusra, Ahrar and Jude Al Asoy - it has already come out by the way - with the aim of starting concentrated strikes and a common strategy). And they are working quite effectively - they are fighting off South Aleppo, village by village and have already approached Khader (in fact, all the calm there, this is the preparation of the Babakhs for the "New Offensive" - ​​which will begin from day to day). At the same time, they are maneuvering forces, repelling the attacks of Liwa Al Quds in the north near Handarat, straightening other crises and developing sudden successes - like yesterday at Kinsaba in Latakia (it was precisely a maneuver by forces, for assault units were Uzbeks from Tawhid Jihad and Caucasians from Val Asar - which previously operated in South Aleppo), where JAF + coastal + Turkomans achieved major successes, taking not only strategic positions, but also a ton of whole equipment, according to the final reports:
        4 tanks (all on the go, refueled)
        3 IFVs in a parked park (all on the go, refueled)
        up to 5 loaded trucks, different
        a whole barn of shots for the M-79 Wasp grenade launcher
        a bunch of anti-tank systems
        a bunch of riflemen
        2 mortar bodies
        KPTV / DShK and other machine guns in large numbers

        1. 0
          2 July 2016 11: 24
          Quote: donavi49
          donavi49

          All this suggests that without our support, the Syrian army is not able to win.
          1. Pushkar77
            +11
            2 July 2016 12: 26
            In five years of grueling war, little is left of the Syrian army. Help was needed in 2012, when the army controlled 70% of the territory, then it was possible to get off with the supply of weapons. And now, the country is in ruins, the economy is destroyed, the losses are approaching 500 thousand, 7 million refugees. Now people are needed there more than equipment, during the war trained personnel have been depleted, you can just watch films about how the war for Jobar, Al-Kabun was going on, the storming of every house, every entrance, and so on for several years in all cities. Syria is not something that at the moment cannot fight without our support, it is Alexander by and large in agony, it is completely exhausted. This is what mattress makers did and they did it. I wrote for a long time that if in 2012-2013 we do not help with weapons, then we will have to harness ourselves. This also applies to the Iranians, but they allocated several billion greens for the war, and this played a role in 2013. Then we needed "Solntsepeki", new MiGs, "Hurricanes" and "Tornadoes", well-protected tanks, artillery and much more. And now there are several brigades of specialists and a lot of poorly trained militia, which simply does not know how to fight with professional rebels, who were trained by mattress specialists for a couple of years. In Syria, the Mi-35 (28), "Solntsepeki", were needed even more than in Iraq, since it is Syria that is of strategic importance to us, but what happened happened, we realized it later. More than the Syria that we knew, most likely will not be. For us, Syria is one of the fires near our house, which had to be extinguished by any means at the beginning, and not wait until it starts to spread on us. Probably the same can be said about Donbass, and about the entire South-East of Ukraine (this is of course my personal opinion).
  3. +14
    2 July 2016 06: 40
    You quickly get used to the good. Do good a couple of times, you’ll sit on your neck. And they will persuade you to do this good. Moreover, this is the East. Until the Syrian general staff is completely controlled by the Russian military, this will continue. And it is not surprising that in the future Assad may blackmail Russia over the stay of our bases there. Why are the declared elections delayed in Syria? Is it because the alignment is not changing in Assad’s favor? Moreover, the idea of ​​reconciliation with Turkey popped up very unexpectedly. Is it really all about a formal apology for the downed plane and the proposal to the relatives of the pilot Peshkov to donate a house on the Turkish coast as compensation for harm? Or a coalition proposal for closer cooperation with our VKS? The NATO Summit and the urgent dispersal of the leadership of the Baltic Fleet. Some sort of shuffling of the global political deck went.
    1. +1
      2 July 2016 09: 20
      Field Marshal, you touched upon several different topics at once, so it will take a lot of time to understand them. I suggest you the following: divide by 2-3 points and discuss in detail. I think the forum users will support.
    2. +4
      2 July 2016 09: 20
      It seems that the urgent dispersal of the Baltic Fleet leadership is directly related to NATO exercises in the Baltic. When it was necessary to work and work (this is worse than their own teachings, in fact), apparently, they simply did "according to plan."
  4. +4
    2 July 2016 06: 42
    Russia in Syria should be guided solely by its interests, and not by thoughts about what the Iranians, Kurds or Americans will think there. This is the foreign policy of the state.
    1. +8
      2 July 2016 09: 29
      Quote: Black
      Russia in Syria should be guided solely by its interests, and not by thoughts about what the Iranians, Kurds or Americans will think there.

      Assad?
      And what would Assad do without the IRGC, Hezbollah, the Afghans and the air forces?
      Or do you think they are all exclusively interested in the interests of Russia or Syria?
      1. +2
        2 July 2016 11: 29
        And what would Assad do without the IRGC, Hezbollah, the Afghans and the air forces?


        What, Assad does not give rest? No matter how much you beat him, but he still costs. A worthy partner for GDP. And, by the way, really, the Asadov clan is so far the only ones who have never once done a word or a deal to Russia. Even in the worst years for Russia - in the 90. This is the most sincere ally of Russia. And to surrender them on our part would be meanness.
        However, I do not think that the GDP and the oligarchs are so sentimental. The interests of the Russian Federation in Syria are not in supporting Assad, but in retaining this territory through control of the Syrian regime. What for? The question is big, but at least so that this territory is not controlled by you - that is, the West.
        1. 0
          3 July 2016 06: 53
          alicante11
          What, Assad does not give rest? No matter how much you beat him, but he still costs.


          if you think about it, then perhaps you will come to the conclusion that Israel is pleased with the Assad regime and not the civilian Sharia of the rabble that is fighting against it ..
          Think about what would happen if Israel openly supported Assad?
          how would this affect the motivation of his opponents?

          ps Great love for Israel and the Assad family did not work out but there is no alternative, God forbid.
  5. +1
    2 July 2016 06: 46
    The article is largely true.
    There is no fundamental difference in the universal plan between the Ayatollahs and the Arabian Sunnis, as the various Syrian inhabitants are very similar to each other. And there is a tendency to parasitism.
    But it is necessary to bomb intensively. The material basis of the war in ISIS, etc., must be eliminated.
  6. +3
    2 July 2016 07: 04
    Everything develops like a "Rubik's Cube", the longer you spin, the fewer options. We are losing the information war again. The Americans, supporting the "good terrorists", shout every time that the Aerospace Forces is attacking the wrong ones, thereby securing the support of an increasing number of "good" ones. Discontent should be extinguished not so much with bombs as with active propaganda, and this is Assad's task, otherwise all our efforts and sacrifices are pointless, Assad will be forced to leave - we will follow.
    1. 0
      2 July 2016 09: 24
      Alas, this is possible. I think BB should take into account such a moment, and therefore prepare a tc "plan B"
  7. +4
    2 July 2016 07: 10
    Quote: siberalt
    Do good a couple of times, you’ll sit on your neck. And they will persuade you to do this good

    I wonder when the campaign began, all sorts of experts, advisers to the commander in chief of the Middle East warned of the possibility of such events? If not warned, then why? And if warned, then what x. our side did not set clear conditions for interaction?
  8. +8
    2 July 2016 07: 15
    I did not understand the meaning of the reproach of the SAA army (Tigers division) in terms of the fact that without air support they would not attack the militants. If it is possible to reduce losses to a minimum, why is it necessary to "rush with your bare chest into the embrasure", not counting the loss, what kind of tactic is this, to overwhelm the enemy with your corpses. The Americans, for which they are advanced, and while the aviation and artillery in front of them will not clear everything, they will take a step forward, but here, like the CAA army, cowards, since they are waiting for air support, and do not rush with bayonets at the fortified positions of the militants, overwhelming them with their corpses.
    And as for the Persians, Kurds and all kinds of PMCs, they want support, let them play according to our rules, otherwise we get air support for them, without which they turned out to be almost helpless, and all their successes turned out to be thanks to American help or Tehran.
    We are simply tired of it, as they say, whoever dines with the girl dances her.
    1. +2
      2 July 2016 23: 37
      The first sensible comment.
  9. +5
    2 July 2016 07: 16
    Information about the contradictions between the pro-Iranian and pro-Russian conglomerates began in March. But on the Russian air, everything was covered with delight from the "new Rostropovich" in Palmyra.

    And only after the change of rhetoric of Russia in Turkey (suddenly!?!) ... did such an adequate article appear.
    Now there will be articles about the proud and freedom-loving Turkomans and "inflexible Assad" ... We are waiting for "Geneva-3".
    1. +2
      2 July 2016 09: 36
      You, commander of the 1st rank, you want to say that we will make an "overstag" turn, as they used to say in the days of the sailing fleet, when the entire squadron was sharply changing course. Boys call it "kidalovo".
      1. 0
        2 July 2016 11: 25
        Quote: Monarchist
        You are the 1st rank commander,

        1st rank commanders do not exist
        1. 0
          2 July 2016 17: 09
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          1st rank commanders do not exist

          Joke. He meant four stars on the pursuit smile The commanders of the first rank, four rhombuses on the buttonholes.
  10. +12
    2 July 2016 07: 18
    The article is correct, but now we will have to endure in order to "not tolerate ...". Got into a fight? We got in. Have you kicked thoroughly the hooligans who offend our ally? Kicked. Have you marked the beginning of the reconciliation process? Designated. Once "took up the tug, do not say that it is not hefty." Leaving the war with ISIS now is definitely to sign the sentence to Bashar al-Assad and work for the American-Turkish interests, and then oversee the construction of a gas pipeline through the territory of Syria. In Syria, EVERYONE Fights FOR ITS INTERESTS. We need to realize this.
    1. +5
      2 July 2016 09: 30
      Quote: V.ic
      In Syria, EVERYONE Fights FOR ITS INTERESTS. It is necessary to realize this.

      +100500
  11. +1
    2 July 2016 07: 26
    Continuous anarchy and Makhnovschina! The analogy with the civil war after the October revolution in Russia. Without the strict centralization of power and military control, as the Bolsheviks achieved, Assad could not see success.
    1. +6
      2 July 2016 09: 32
      Quote: ydjin
      Continuous anarchy and Makhnovschina! The analogy with the civil war after the October revolution in Russia

      So the way it is, this is a civil war with two Entente
      Saudi Arabia - USA - Turkey; Hezbollah - ISIR - VKS.
      Syria is actually divided and will not exist as a single state.
      1. -2
        2 July 2016 11: 34
        Saudi Arabia - USA - Turkey; Hezbollah - ISIR - VKS.
        Syria is actually divided and will not exist as a single state.


        Yes. But only in the first you forgot Israel. Well, I think I just didn’t list, there are many of you playing for amers.

        So the way it is, this is a civil war with two Entente


        It’s just not necessary - it’s not a civil war, but aggression against an independent state, to which the Persians joined, well, we, too, were forced to fit in with Assad, because no one there would respect our interests.
  12. 0
    2 July 2016 07: 29
    There is only one way out - to find a general option on the tactics of warfare and clearly follow it. Or we will be able to resolve all the contradictions, or slowly and easily the polygon igli will stretch Syria into fragments along the way, completely destroying the Syrian army and presenting the Kurdish militia.
  13. 0
    2 July 2016 07: 43
    The Russian operation in Syria has been going on for almost 9 months, it is not known how and when this tyagomotin will end. The main thing is not to be dishonored once again. It seems that the Syrian army is fighting not just from under the stick, it was easier for them to hold their positions than to launch an offensive. I am mistaken, I draw conclusions judging from the news information.
    1. -7
      2 July 2016 08: 00
      As long as the tactics of distracting the masses from stupid ill-conceived laws and the poor maintenance of their own refrigerators on "how-there-in-Syria" (the topic "how-there-with-Ukrainians" no longer arouses such intense interest) the war will continue. People say hawala, drenzhka drips into the right pocket.
      so that

      In addition, as for me, the marking time is also determined by the fact that the "legally elected" would-be dictator is not an authority even in his own country. Well, the people want to be killed in large numbers in his honor, shouting "For the Motherland, for Assad!" (I would not go either - it’s too lean and gloomy). He more and more migrates to Europu, or defends his own enclaves with weapons in his hands (the Kurds are the same), but he wanted to sneeze on a single, indivisible Syriyashka. Well, such a defective people fell into Asad Hafezovich, does not share his brilliant ideas and does not want to listen to appeals. Sadness what
      1. +1
        2 July 2016 09: 45
        Corporal! Your conclusions are reminiscent of fabrications: barmaleevs and "Uncle Sam", or maybe that ...
    2. +2
      2 July 2016 09: 35
      Quote: Yak28
      The Russian operation in Syria has been going on for almost 9 months, it is not known how and when this tyagomotin will end

      Yes, understand what.
      Vks return home
      Quote: Yak28
      .The feeling that the Syrian army is not at least fighting from under the stick,

      Stop calling this Syrian army.
      Assad’s army is not Syrian, but, in general, the Alawite mk. Sunnis have long faded from it. But they’re fighting badly, so it’s understandable, but why should they (the Alawites and Shiites) climb into the Sunni regions?
      1. +1
        2 July 2016 09: 52
        Quote: atalef
        and why should they (the Alawites and Shiites) climb into Sunni areas?

        How then - to shoot the apostates from the true faith, to mock. In general, about the same thing for the sake of the Sunnis, they are climbing into Shiite areas. Arabs they are such Arabs ...
        1. +5
          2 July 2016 09: 56
          Quote: Nagan
          How what - nto shoot apostates from the true faithmock.
        2. +4
          2 July 2016 18: 00
          Arabs they are such Arabs ...
          You are sure? Which one is Arab? Unless Hezbollah, but not the Alawites, not the Persians, not the Afghans, not once the Arabs.
          1. 0
            2 July 2016 20: 40
            Quote: tilix
            You are sure? Which one is Arab? Unless Hezbollah, but not the Alawites, not the Persians, not the Afghans, not once the Arabs.

            It seemed to me something that the Alawites were a type of Shiite sect, and, accordingly, Syrian Shiites, including Alawites, Arabs. However, you know better on the spot.
            1. +2
              3 July 2016 04: 36
              Alawites are a type of Shiite sect
              Well, Arabs are Christians. Not all Arabs are Muslims. And where are the Allawites (as a people) today it is not clear, not the fact that the Arabs. It is believed that
              Alavites are descendants of the population of the Armenian Cilician kingdom
              They are sometimes Shiites and sometimes not. It should not be forgotten that one of the principles of the Alawite teachings is "Taqiya" - "caution", which allows them to hide the true religion in times of danger and trouble. But this is not the only reason why they are hated by the Sunnis. Assad clearly realizes that, having lost the war, the Alawites are doomed to practically cutting out, you saw ISIS.
              Which one is Arab?
              Here is the majority of the Sunni, in Syria, they are the Arabs.
      2. 0
        2 July 2016 11: 40
        Yes, understand what.
        Vks return home


        But not a fact, your predictions do not really come true. You gave Assad time until February. And now, July has already begun, and Assad is still alive and well at his combat post.

        Stop calling this Syrian army.
        Assad’s army is not Syrian, but, in general, the Alawite mk. Sunnis have long faded from it.

        The Alawites in Syria are so few that they would have killed everyone, even with the help of Russia, Iran and Hezbollons. There are only 2,5 million of them in Syria. The maximum potential is 250tys. Could they fight for 5 years against the entire Western world and the Sunnis? So do not tell tales.
        1. +3
          2 July 2016 18: 11
          Alawites in Syria are so few
          Is this 2.5 million small? Then add the Druze, for today Assad’s allies.
          that they would have been killed all
          That's just what
          the help of Russia, Iran and Hezbollons
          Assad also resists, but that is probably not enough. It's a pity. Personally, I wish Assad to withstand and continue a just war for an independent Allawite state.
          1. 0
            3 July 2016 04: 19
            Is this 2.5 million small? .


            Well, did the Libyans have more than ended?

            Then add the Druze, for today Assad’s allies


            So am I against it? It was simply said that the army is not "Syrian" at Assad. So I "add" Druze, Shiites, Christians, atheists. So it turns out that one hundred army is Syrian.

            Personally, I wish Assad to withstand and continue a just war for an independent Allawite state.


            And I wish Assad to survive and continue a just war for a single independent Syria. Although, of course, I understand that this is not real. But I think that he will keep Damascus and the main centers.
            1. +2
              3 July 2016 04: 52
              did the Libyans have more than ended?
              Let the American saying: the size of the fight in the dog is more important than the size of the dog in the fight
              So am I against it? It was simply said that the army is not "Syrian" at Assad. So I "add" Druze, Shiites, Christians, atheists. So it turns out that one hundred army is Syrian.
              Most Syrian, it is Sunni, who are Arabs. And Christians, atheists - how much lope? Here casuistry is indispensable, it is necessary to shoot. And the Druze, by the way, only fight with their militia. Today with Assad.
              united independent Syria. Although, of course, I understand that this is not real
              But when they split there, and there will be a dispute over the name Syria.
              But I think that he will keep Damascus and the main centers
              Damascus is not the spiritual center of the Alawites, but among the Sunnis, yes.
              1. 0
                4 July 2016 02: 02
                Let the American saying: the size of the fight in the dog is more important than the size of the dog in the fight


                Come on, a lapdog cannot resist a bull terrier in any way, no matter how "fighting" it is.

                Most Syrian, it is Sunni, who are Arabs.


                Most Sunnis such as in the USSR (and in the Russian Federation) were (are) Orthodox. Easter and Christmas are always ready to observe, but the post - nafig-nafig.

                Damascus is not the spiritual center of the Alawites, but among the Sunnis, yes.


                But it is a political center. Which is much more important.
                1. +1
                  5 July 2016 09: 10
                  Most Sunnis, such as in the USSR
                  They are not like in the USSR, they are really (in the majority) religious people. Ask your ex there.
                  But it is a political center
                  The ordinary standard Muslim for the spiritual center will go into battle. For the political? And on ... does he need him?
                  1. 0
                    5 July 2016 13: 08
                    They are not like in the USSR, they are really (in the majority) religious people. Ask your ex there.


                    Oh, I beg you, read the memoirs of our specialists who helped the Syrians, Egyptians and other zealous Muslims. Well, at the same time I also believe my father, who studied with these "zealots of the faith" next to me.
  14. +10
    2 July 2016 07: 51
    This is a lyrical digression not related to the article.
    In the 90s, I often visited Syria as a sailor, visited the ports of Tartus and Latakia. The impression of the country and its inhabitants remained the most favorable. As in most Arab countries, city streets are a continuous bazaar, with densely packed shops, in each of which you are invited. But there was one significant difference, a purely "Syrian marketing ploy", and I have not seen anything like this in any other Arab country (and I have visited a lot of them). You go into the store, the owner or the seller meets you and says, they say you will look at the goods later, but for now - sit down, have a drink and have a bite, dear comrade! The treats were completely free, the usual set of treats was beer with salted nuts and whiskey with fried chicken. Whiskey, of course, local, inexpensive (as I remember now its strange name for a Russian person "EBLA", the same company produced wine and cigarettes), but quite "edible". So, you sit, drink, eat, talk. During this "banquet" store employees unobtrusively show you different goods. The marketing ploy is designed for the conscience of the buyer. In any case, they won't take money for treats from him, even if he doesn't buy anything. But ... "I was so well greeted, fed - watered, I must at least buy something!" Well, of course, a drunk person is easier to part with money, that is, the decision to buy or not is much easier! Buy of course! Many of our sailors scratched their sick heads the next morning, looked around at the heaps of all sorts of garbage that they bought yesterday - and thought: "Well, but I had a rest!"
    And what has now been done with this country ...
    1. 0
      2 July 2016 21: 06
      Quote: Karasik
      purely "Syrian marketing ploy", and I have not seen anything like this in any other Arab country

      In Turkey, they practice in almost every average lousy store
  15. +2
    2 July 2016 08: 03
    We still lacked disagreement among the allies! As soon as everything began to improve in military operations, the questions of the Russian Aerospace Forces immediately arise, whom they help more in combat operations! This is the impression that someone really wants to drive a "wedge" into the ranks of the allies in order to discord the coordination of actions of the allies! It looks like a planned operation by the special services of our partners, the Americans are muddying the waters through their opposition!
    1. +1
      2 July 2016 09: 27
      In general, the last 2 months, there are continuous setbacks, almost everywhere.


      1) Palmyra, the IG squeezed the city, three days ago, the troops fled from 7 positions in the hills. The IG is already occupying part of the heights, and they are the keys to the city. There is still a sudden complication of the 11-kilometer IG convoy from Anbar, about half of it was burned by the Mi-35, Mi-28 and F-16 of the Iraqi Air Force, but perhaps up to two thousand broke into Syria, they will go to DeZ and Palmyra.

      2) Raid on Raqqa - rolled back to the starting point in Itria, the IS scared offensives and removed the strike force, partly north, part south (where they had already crushed the New Syrian vinaigrette, having taken away their weapons and pickups, while still blowing up the block with 6 Jordanians - but this is the pain of Abdala and the United States).

      3) South of Aleppo - Yeys and all heights are lost, Khan-Tuman is lost, which allowed approaching the Babakhs in Aleppo itself at the closest distance since September 2015, and this is the Syrian army in the city, Karasi, Halasa and the whole balcony are lost On the Highway (Zeitan and Berne). As a result, from the onset of Suleymani in the fall of 2015 there was only Hader, for which the battles would begin just about.

      4) North of Aleppo - the regular attacks of Liva Al-Quds on Handarat end in no way (cross under fire to the hole in the fence). Fields Mallah, Sukhel was able to take them, then they departed for the night, they took them again the next day, they seem to be holding him (but this can be compared with Yeiss, he is not very important in itself, but if there are successes next, then he can play decisive role).

      5) Latakia, after a long lull and even attempts to attack the Army, the JAF transferred the Uzbeks to the Caucasians, and also cooperated with the coastal division of the SSA, the Turkoman and others - as a result, they occupied important heights and Kinsaba, taking trophies, which in principle doubled their strength in Latakia armored vehicles (4 serviceable tanks and 3 infantry fighting vehicles).

      6) The Rastan enclave, to the south of Hama - one successful attack of the Babakhs, when the SAA appealed, saying a truce, we sent the troops out, and we took the village from us and cut out the inhabitants. The second less successful attack, they somehow dragged tanks and fresh bearded men into the ring and struck north to Hama - taking 6 villages on the move, but then the SAA threw reinforcements from everywhere and after 2 days of bombing of the airborne forces, it repulsed, like, only 1 village Now for the 6 women.
      1. +1
        2 July 2016 11: 29
        Quote: donavi49
        but then the SAA threw reinforcements from everywhere and after 2 days of bombing of the air forces, it was repulsed, it seems, only 1 village now has 6 out of XNUMX women.

        The picture is such that without the support of our aviation, the SSA will very quickly begin to retreat along the entire front. But forever we cannot be there, what should we do? -Let them think in the Kremlin.
      2. +1
        2 July 2016 12: 02
        In general, the last 2 months, there are continuous setbacks, almost everywhere.


        I don't see "one" failures.

        Palmyra, IG squeezed the city,


        And what do you suggest? Keep defense in the desert? To the east of Palmyra there is nothing to cling to. Therefore, the Syrians did not begin to move further. And the militants take advantage of this and arrange raids. as they lost the hills, they will return it.

        Raid on Racca - rolled back to the starting point in Itria,


        the Americans threatened to bomb, so they rolled away, what does the failure of the offensive have to do with it? I didn’t understand the point of going to Raqqa at all, it’s clear that this is the Amer’s zone of influence, most likely they frightened me so that the Kurdish Americans would make them move faster.

        South of Aleppo - Yeys and all heights are lost, Khan-Tuman is lost, which allowed


        I do not really know the situation around Aleppo, but if the SAA is surrounded, then why do they clean up neighborhoods and carry out offensives in urban areas, rather than trying to break through? Not logical.
        1. +1
          2 July 2016 13: 45
          1) On Palmyra there are still T3, granaries, dominant heights - all these are smart people of Slavic appearance, at one time occupied. Assad drove into the repelled position 11 td Assad and entrenched. But, now, for the most part, she is retreating (if not truthfully, she is running at the sight of blacks). Let me remind you, when Black took Palmyra - the battle was fought mainly for heights, and the troops retreated from the City, when Palmyra fought back, battles also fought for heights, and Black fled from the city ... All positions of the distant contour in the east were lost, almost all South.

          2) Who will be bombed ??? What are you about??? The Americans, on the other hand, officially welcomed the strike on Tabka. Blacks threw reserves, cut the group bypassing along the highway + launching dozens of shahidmashiny (according to their report, they launched 85 past stages).

          3) So there is no environment, but they squeezed everything tightly, going south of the city to the borders of September 2015, that is, to put the army’s communications at risk. The offensive of Suleymani - last fall, allowed to completely remove the threat from the communications of the city. Now he has only Hader left, which the Baboons are preparing to storm.
  16. 0
    2 July 2016 09: 28
    Sad, sad. Enemies rub their hands. This is from the opera where the input is the ruble, and the output is two.
  17. -4
    2 July 2016 09: 52
    tactically, you can play war for a long time extorting money from the Jews hiring bandits like the "French Foreign Legion"; well, the bandyugans are returning to the same ruins that have no meaning for Syria; strategically, of course, it is necessary to somehow protect those cities and villages that are not yet destroyed and where at least some kind of life glimmers
    1. 0
      2 July 2016 23: 27
      Quote: dojjdik
      tactically, you can play war for a long time extorting money from the Jews hiring bandits like the "French Foreign Legion"; well, the bandyugans are returning to the same ruins that have no meaning for Syria; strategically, of course, it is necessary to somehow protect those cities and villages that are not yet destroyed and where at least some kind of life glimmers

      Listen to the fighter with Zionism you probably don't have time to heal on your hands without such a compromise laughing
      1. 0
        3 July 2016 09: 33
        you gotta put on a gas mask, look, do not choke on the current when you will eat in it
  18. 0
    2 July 2016 10: 21
    Does anyone know the total number of barmalei? intelligence reports? statistics? ... It seems that the SAA is tired of fighting, or they dispersed the sensible ... what is the ratio of numbers? I’m silent about the forces, because it has dried up in the CAA .. the advantage in technology harms more, -the anger is dulled from a freebie- you can quit, pass the height, .. they will send it again, then, as soon as we take .... if they give it back.

    Can't worry too much about this company? .. maybe this old oriental fun? to ride with AK in the desert one after another and sing victory songs? Has anyone seen the Syrian factories that work day and night - "everything for the front, everything for victory"?

    Maybe I missed something .. correct
    1. +1
      2 July 2016 10: 52
      The three largest broads are:
      Ahrar - about 20k fighters
      Nusra - 15-20k
      Jaysh Islam - about 20k
      Small groups allied to them (for example, the Turkmen Islamic Party, Uzbeks, Caucasians from Val Asra, etc., their mass of all kinds of Jude Al Aks / Jay Sham) - about 15k more.

      SSA - but they must be considered separately, they cannot maneuver by forces, the Central Division is about 2-3k with TOU, the Coastal Division is up to 2k, the Turkoman are up to 5k. In general, SSA from 30k to 60k depending on who evaluates (plus, again, they are not one force, but scattered throughout Syria - for example, the 99th division is now in the north of Aleppo and it is cut off from Assad by the Kurds, the Central and Coastal divisions never will not come to the aid of the southern teams of the SSA).

      Plus NSA (this is Abdala) and NSF (these are Americans and Erdogan).

      Plus Black.

      However, these are just numbers. Operations are usually carried out at a level of from 300 to a thousand fighters with 5-10 units of armored vehicles in active operations.
  19. 0
    2 July 2016 10: 44
    it was there that the contradictions between the government army and its allies suddenly appeared brightly primarily Russia and Iran.

    Yesterday I read this article in Vzglyad and, frankly speaking, at first I was amazed at the information provided, which does not quite fit into the framework of the latest news. Then he calmly thought and came to the conclusion that the Syrian army and its allies really got used to the too tangible help of the Russian Aerospace Forces in 9 months. And the voiced accusations against Russia are neither the first nor the last. How many we helped and how many we saved from complete collapse, and then listened to accusations and insults against us. Therefore, I think we in Russia need to listen less to these, I don't even know what to call them, but just watch how our videoconferencing do their job.
  20. 0
    2 July 2016 10: 49
    Russia needs to keep its line - the fight against terrorists, and this is the main thing.
  21. +2
    2 July 2016 13: 31
    Quote: Helgi4
    ACKNOWLEDGMENTS TO THE AUTHOR!
    I especially liked: "If a large white steel bird with a red star on its wings does not come, some of them will not even distort the shutter."
    Yes, it is! "Praised" Arab heroes ...

    These Heroes have been holding against bearded men from all over the world for five years. The army has been bloodless. And it is not for us to judge them. Without Iran’s help, the Alawites will be massacred. There will never be another Syria.
  22. +2
    2 July 2016 13: 41
    [quote] And it was there that unexpectedly brightly appeared contradictions between the government army and its allies [/ quote +]
    For whom, unexpectedly? Our troops, as it were, have officially been withdrawn, the operation has been stopped, the victory has been won (according to Putin), what kind of unity of command are we talking about? If Russia curtailed the operation, then to whom the troops should submit, it is obvious to those who continue the operation - the Syrian army under the leadership of Iran. Either there is nothing to discuss and there is nothing to discuss, or they should be there, then you need to declare the continuation of the operation, indicate who commands what tasks are performed and then deal with local commanders and allies.
  23. 0
    2 July 2016 16: 36
    Well, the Arab wars have always had their own specifics .. So history has ordered that the Arabs have their own military traditions, but 2000 years of "civilization" taught them how to fight ..
    1. +1
      2 July 2016 18: 26
      Well, the Arab war has always had its own specifics .. So history has decreed that the Arabs have their own military traditions
      Today, of course, experts and professionals on the history of the Middle East have gathered here, but let me tell you the pros, as an amateur, not Alawites, not Persians, not Afghans, not once Arabs.. Apart from Hezbalons and Druze, no one else has anything to do with Arabs. On the other hand, on the Sunni side, yes, most Arabs are there.
      Sorry for the amendment.
  24. Tim
    0
    2 July 2016 21: 45
    Iran has never been and will not be an ally of Russia, as circumstances developed, as if they were with us along the way at a given moment in time. The Iranians have always been on their own wave, if necessary, they will forget who and what Russia is, let's not forget Afghanistan where and to whom Iran provided sponsorship and support for the struggle of the Soviet Union, and for me there is a Hezbollah and a terrorist organization remains. If, of course, it came to the collapse of Syria as a state, Iran would seize a good piece of Syrian territory.
    1. -1
      2 July 2016 23: 42
      Don't you confuse Iran with Pakistan for an hour? Here Pakistan just crap, under mattress leadership, and Iran, what profit in Afghanistan, if it is separated from it by Pakistan and India?
      1. Tim
        0
        3 July 2016 08: 34
        You reputable story you don't know well hiIran and Afghanistan: More Than Neighbors - Analytics.
        easttime.ru ›analitic / 1/13 / 698.html read read the information before writing tongue
  25. 0
    3 July 2016 07: 59
    Dear, I didn’t want to write, but even at the beginning of the truce process, it was the VKS that needed to change the tactics of reconciliation, the VKS are doing a great job, and it’s decisive, but it is the VKS that is the link with the heterogeneous forces and it is not appropriate to “blame” everything on the allies, you need to think, what to do, how to coordinate the actions of all allied forces, and not "poke a finger"