Americans will experience "the most powerful combat laser"

In the near future, the US Navy will begin testing the high-energy 3-generation maritime laser of the sea base, whose power is 150 kW, reports Popular mechanics.

"The laser system includes a module with a laser generator, lithium-ion batteries and a liquid cooling system, and pumping is carried out with the help of electricity," says the publication.

It is noted that “a tactical combat laser can be used as a universal weapons, such as the 30-kilowatt installation, mounted on the USS Ponce landing ship of the US Navy, which is designed to defend against unmanned aerial vehicles and small ships, as well as to dazzle the optical systems of the enemy’s military equipment. ”

The new installation will be in 5 once more powerful than its predecessor. It will be installed on the destroyer USS Paul F. Foster.

“Thanks to the increased power, the installation will work significantly faster and hit more targets. Unlike missiles, each of which costs several hundred thousand dollars, one laser shot will cost just one dollar, ”the resource reports citing American military experts.

Comments

[ser-pov]

As science fiction writers were right about technology ... Not many years will pass and laser rifles may appear ... Something is not heard about our laser installations!

[Mihalich17]

Because it’s not audible that our installations work,
and the Americans only "test" their own! :)))

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: ser-pov

Not many years will pass and laser rifles may appear ...

Yes, yes, and certainly manual blasters! Where without them! Here are just a cold thermonuclear fusion left to master.

Quote: Mihalich17

and the Americans only "test" their own! :)))

Honestly, my first reaction to such messages from "our overseas partners" is the same as the character of the famous cartoon

When will they finally show something efficient and working? So far, solid theorizing and experimenting.

[mav1971]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Quote: ser-pov

Not many years will pass and laser rifles may appear ...

Yes, yes, and certainly manual blasters! Where without them! Here are just a cold thermonuclear fusion left to master.

Quote: Mihalich17

and the Americans only "test" their own! :)))

Honestly, my first reaction to such messages from "our overseas partners" is the same as the character of the famous cartoon

When will they finally show something efficient and working? So far, solid theorizing and experimenting.

And I advise you to watch Kirienko’s speech before the Federation Council.
Become more knowledgeable
all this is already leaving the stage of theory and experimentation.

[midivan]

Quote: ser-pov

Something about our laser systems can not hear anything!

Knowing ours, they are likely to mirror the ability to send this laser to the owner

[Red_Hamer]

We also had in the USSR, the experimental ship "Dixon" after the division of the Black Sea Fleet in the 90s "Dixon" with the world's first combat laser system went to Ukraine, where it was sold for "scrap" in the USA. In the Western mass media there was information about the purchase by the US Department of Defense at one of the shipyards of Ukraine of a batch of "scrap metal". In the hold of one of the ships, representatives of the Pentagon discovered 35-megawatt power generators, special rotary mechanisms, high-power refrigeration units and other equipment. Any information about the technical capabilities of the latest Soviet weapons and their components was immediately classified by the Pentagon.

[Riv]

35 megawatt? And apparently, more than one, time "generators"? By the way, the power of the Vaigach nuclear icebreaker is about 36 megawatts. That is, this very "Dixon" apparently had such a laser that it was just right for them to write a word of three letters on the Moon.

How is it in "Seven Samurai"? "You look too old for your age. I can't believe you're only thirteen." :)

[Red_Hamer]

Something like this, the purpose of the installation is the fight against enemy satellites.
Look there is in the programs of zero about the installation. One of the plots, if I'm not mistaken, "Shock Force", was devoted to this topic. I mean, that it is quite possible that the Americans have an improved installation that has grown out of that "Soviet" backlog. I appreciated the joke about the samurai.

[Red_Hamer]

You probably have a bad idea of ​​"Dixon" Look in the internet for a photo. And by the way, in the most recent program "The Moment of Truth", which on Monday at 5 St. Petersburg, there was also a plot.

[Riv]

Oh yeah! The "moment of truth", of course. Indisputable proof. But how did they know? Infiltrated the secrets of the Pentagon? :)))

I’ll tell you one smart thing. Just do not be offended. No need to believe fairy tales.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: ser-pov
Something about our laser systems can not hear anything!

Knowing ours, they are likely to mirror the ability to send this laser to the owner

a bit wrong - "knowing ours, they most likely made a mirror capable of sending this laser to the owner"

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: midivan

Quote: ser-pov

Something about our laser systems can not hear anything!

Knowing ours, they are likely to mirror the ability to send this laser to the owner

So I say, the cool thing is impressive. But the Americans would not have taken it and had not stuck it for themselves ... well, they know where to put everything beautiful.

[volot-voin]

Quote: ser-pov

Not many years will pass and laser rifles may appear ... Something is not heard about our laser systems!

I wonder what kind of power plant is needed for him to make the laser effective?

Not many years will pass and laser rifles may appear.

In the backpack until any nuclear reactor does not fit, and not a single L / a battery is enough))))

[inpu]

It seems like it's not news. Here is a laser gun, a museum piece.

Soviet experimental non-lethal manual laser weapon developed in 1984 by the design team of the Strategic Missile Forces Military Academy. Designed to effectively disable the sensitive elements of the enemy’s optical systems - in spacecraft or in open space in close combat - without risk of damage to the skin or non-optical equipment and without recoil, which does not allow the use of firearms and other kinetic weapons in zero gravity.

[LVMI1980]

here it is laser weapons that are effective only in space (outside the atmosphere)

[quote]

Unlike rockets, each of which costs several hundred thousand dollars, a single laser shot will cost only one dollar. ”
Apparently the information is intended for "sheep".
How they respect their people !!, and mock the mental abilities of others!
And who should "consider" oneself to believe in it?
But the excitement of the water surface does not exist at all?
AND! Tamed by sanctions.

[Nikolay K]

Apparently the information is intended for "sheep".

Information is designed for sane people, but when it comes to sheep. . .
One dollar is the cost of ELECTRICITY, which is spent on a shot. This cost is approximately 8 kWh of electricity, which is quite realistic if the laser power is only 150 kW.

[bk316]

Quote: Nikolai K

Information is designed for sane people, but when it comes to sheep. . .

What are you arguing - look at the source.
Popular Mechanics is a magazine for teenagers and housewives who want to know more about the world around them.
Draw conclusions for sheep or not.

[Nikolay K]

It is not worth all housewives and teenagers to write indiscriminately in rams, after all, these are our wives and children. Popular mechanics is a scientifically popular journal, but this in itself does not mean that the data he cites is erroneous.

[xtur]

> This is the cost of approximately 8 kWh of electricity, which is quite realistic if the laser power is only 150 kW.

But the cost of the entire installation is not necessary?

[Nikolay K]

As I understand it, it was a question of the cost of a shot. According to the rules of the economy, the marginal (additional) costs per shot are considered. You fired the laser itself and you can shoot it or not, the money has already been spent on it and, therefore, they do not affect the cost of the shot.

[Rust0626]

But no. A shot is the product that the laser produces, which means its cost includes direct costs, like electricity, etc., indirect costs, everything that goes into the functioning of the entire platform (in this case, the ship). You do not think that the laser itself shoots and does not require any expenses?

[Nikolay K]

Judging by the commentary, you are a great economist, since you heard about such a term as indirect costs ...
I will not argue, stay with your ignorance.

[Rust0626]

Hurt?
Well, don’t, don’t lose the cow.
I’m not an economist, I’m an engineer, not a great one of course, but sometimes I earn on student diplomas, where, by the way, there is a section of the economy.
Minus not mine

[Nikolay K]

Not hurt. I just see no reason to teach basic economic concepts in the format of this forum.

[Shuttle]

Quote: Nikolai K

Not hurt. I just see no reason to teach basic economic concepts in the format of this forum.

Go and learn the materiel yourself. At this stage, only three terms are enough. CAPEXs and OPEXs. And along with TCO.
Although to be honest and attentive, one last is enough. TCO - total cost ownership. Americans really like this term.
And by the way, that's why they also consider the T-34 tank to be the best tank of all WWII.

[abrakadabre]

If this laser was used universally, for various purposes, such as shooting, communications, then it would be possible to say the cost of the shot without indirect costs. And so, the military needs precisely and only shots. And this installation will be operated regardless of whether it is idle in peacetime or not. Therefore, it is necessary to consider all the costs for the entire system as a whole, and not just separately one-time expenses directly per shot (more precisely, an impulse).

[kotvov]

it’s precisely laser weapons that are effective only in space (outside the atmosphere) ,,
you google like ours in the 80s, the shuttle tickled the earth,

[Andrea]

Quote: ser-pov RU
As science fiction writers were right about technology ... Not many years will pass and laser rifles may appear ... Something is not heard about our laser installations!

Rifles? It's unlikely ... why screw it.
Melee weapons are possible ...
Ours have already tried to use lasers and refused due to inefficiency, even if it is possible to eliminate the scattering of the beam, any deviation of the air state from ideal can turn any laser into a bunch of cool, but useless nishtyakov. I mean: fog (almost never happens at sea ), rain (also very rare), a suspension of water dust (almost always absent ) and how much more time will it take to charge the laser after a shot or is it able to work continuously?
I see here one plus-ammunition is unlimited.

[kolyhalovs]

I see here one plus-ammunition is unlimited.

With what fright is he not suddenly limited? The perpetual motion machine has not yet been invented, sort of.

"There will be no keen! The electricity has run out." has not been canceled yet. It's still a question of how many shots this cannon can fire (even without regard to the effectiveness of each shot, but simply in pieces), while the ship needs fuel not only for super-duper weapons, but also to move around in a primitive manner.

[abrakadabre]

Still to understand the combat stability of this system. Powerful lasers are usually fragile and delicate.

[st25310]

Not without reason our create mobile and floating nuclear power plants

[gav6757]

They came up with some crap, another one!
Well, yes, no matter what the child was amusing, if only he could not climb into Russia !!!

[Oml]

Let's hope this is another crap worth a lot of money.

[ser-pov]

Fiction for the 60s ..

[Nick]

I think such weapons are being developed in Russian laboratories

[vadimtt]

Yes, it has long been developed, but so far it makes no sense. But in reality it will become a weapon only after the power in the performance characteristics is not in kilowatts but in gigawatts

[Simple]

Why do you need GW?
Decided to engage in thermonuclear fusion at sea?
Laser power density 1020-1021 W / cm ^ 2, which corresponds to the intensity of the electric field voltage 1012 V / cm !!!
In this "only" is 2 ORDERS STRONGER than the PROTON FIELD at the main level of the hydrogen atom.
And you gigawatts .. Boom stars to light?

[abrakadabre]

But in reality it will become a weapon only after the power in the performance characteristics is not in kilowatts but in gigawatts

And the efficiency of the installation will be at the level of 99, (9) ...%
Otherwise, the energy loss in the installation is enough to turn it into steam itself. Moreover, it is much more likely than to harm a remote target.

[vadimtt]

It goes without saying about impulse systems. Just because gigawatt constants are possible, but they will look like nuclear power plants with cooling towers, i.e. will be meaningless. Well, except for the laser start project, they will do.

[abrakadabre]

Well, except for the laser start project, they will do.

Or for ultra-long-distance cosmic communication with brothers in mind. Although for this the wavelength is not the same.

[Dr. Stein]

Here are dreamers that I just can’t think of, but there’s a big minus when using it is the scattering effect which leads to the loss of focus by the laser and the dissipation of energy in the atmosphere. Significant scattering is observed in fog and smoke.

[Hariton laptev]

Quote: sana_59

our back in the 60s realized that combat lasers are fiction.

in those same years, it was argued that cybernetics is also a false science and, as a result, all computers from behind a hill.

[Parsec]

You will understand for what reason and in what years it was said.

Filing for a spark in 90 year in the country outhouse caught?

[HAM]

Well, about 1 dollar they have bent, no one will be contacted with such amounts. What are the military-industrial complex going to finish off ??
As far as I know, the input power is measured in kW-h, and the radiated power in kJ-x ....

[Cube123]

Quote: ser-pov

As science fiction writers were right about technology ... Not many years will pass and laser rifles may appear ... Something is not heard about our laser installations!

https://topwar.ru/38339-sdelano-v-sssr-lazernyy-pistolet-kosmonavta.html

[prior]

And what if the mirror?

I remember ours conducted a spectral analysis of Halley's comet, using a laser at a distance of thousands of kilometers.
And this is in space.

[Beetech]

Promising, then promising, but too "capricious" in terms of application. The slightest atmospheric interference (dust, fog, haze) - and the super-weapon turns into a fiction. This is not a pew-pew in outer space.
Yes, and not the most technologically advanced methods of dealing with beam weapons are enough: rotation in flight, ablation and reflective coatings ...

[Begemot]

But interestingly, due to the effect of a mirage, will he be able to pull the horizon? There will be a prodigy!

[rotmistr60]

one laser shot will cost only one dollar

Even if you believe the American, the question still arises - what then (in what amount) will the installation itself pour out? While a huge desire to create a powerful, easy and cheap can not block reality.

[Khariton]

Well done ... But we have it!

[abrakadabre]

Unlike rockets, each of which costs several hundred thousand dollars, a single laser shot will cost only one dollar

How much can you feed the people with these tales ... And let dust in the eyes of taxpayer hamsters. The cost of a shot is calculated not by the direct cost of one shot, but by the total cost of the entire system (taking into account overhead costs) by the number of shots it fired.
And such statements are nothing more than juggling concepts with minimizing some items of expenditure due to the swelling of others. That is a SCAM.

[Enoch]

Oh my fogs, fogged ...

[Xmyp]

Quote: ser-pov

As science fiction writers were right about technology ... Not many years will pass and laser rifles may appear ... Something is not heard about our laser installations!

But what about Skolkovo? They may have developed new laser pointers.

[LVMI1980]

Reagan's Star Wars Nastalgia

[old crutch]

and still wondering why the Boeing disappeared.

[Observer2014]

Americans will experience "the most powerful combat laser"

Unlike rockets, each of which costs several hundred thousand dollars, a single laser shot will cost only one dollar, ”the resource reports citing American military experts.

And how much does this laser cost? And if there will be inclement weather? And if something that flies on a ship is colored with sequins and so on. So how long does it take for the hypersonic Zircon to fly the last 50 km to their ship?

[Dejavu]

And the Russians will experience "the most powerful battle mirror" / trollface

[Ros 56]

Well, well, the storytellers are still those. And what is its speed in direction finding, aiming and attacking a target? And how much does it weigh, and what is the angular velocity of movement? And what will happen if an attack occurs simultaneously from different directions? And what percentage of all-round visibility is in the shade? In short, there are many questions, and in my opinion there are many simply unsolvable, in particular, the issue of speed, and in modern conditions the main one who stood up earlier was the one who shod the opponent in white slippers.
I forgot one more, but what is the range of action?

[voyaka uh]

"in particular, the issue of performance, and it is the main one in modern conditions." ///

You saw a photo - a laser on a carriage, similar to a carriage of an anti-aircraft gun.
And the speed of transition from target to target will be approximately the same as when shooting anti-aircraft guns on different planes.
But the speed of defeat and accuracy increase significantly.
The laser is designed to replace high-speed anti-aircraft guns and short-range SAMs.

[Ros 56]

Quote: voyaka uh

And transition speed

I doubt very much, just estimate a dynamic model and in conditions of sea excitement. And such a moment, the anti-aircraft guns on the ship not one at a time, but how many of these will you put? I don’t know what will turn out in practice, but at the moment the SAM is better in my opinion.

[Ros 56]

Oh, who is so worried about the stripes, has he already zaminusil?

[Observer2014]

voyaka uh IL Today, 14:55 ↑
"in particular, the issue of performance, and it is the main one in modern conditions." ///

You saw a photo - a laser on a carriage, similar to a carriage of an anti-aircraft gun.
And the speed of transition from target to target will be approximately the same as when shooting anti-aircraft guns on different planes.
But the speed of defeat and accuracy increase significantly.
The laser is designed to replace high-speed anti-aircraft guns and short-range SAMs.

The whole joke is that the "anti-aircraft guns" "spit out" a flurry of shells. One shell will hook the target and the adyus. And you need to aim at the target with a flashlight.

[abrakadabre]

A flashlight you need to hit the target.

Not just at the target, but at exactly one point on that target. And for a certain time, until the effect of the beam becomes destructive.

[Simple]

What about lidar?
A laser target illumination?
Is everyone in time?

Yes, with the lpts it keeps a moving target in sight.
What are the problems of accompanying a target with a weapon with a delivery speed of "ammunition" of 300 km / s? 000 - //

[japs]

Battery powered? Battery pumping?
Shelkoper, who wrote this message, is probably a victim of the American EGE.
Laser X-ray, infrared, or ultraviolet?
I remember that in the 70 years the most powerful were pumped from a discharge in a gas medium, if I am not mistaken?
Not enough information.

[voyaka uh]

LaWS uses an infrared beam from a solid-state laser array

Infrared solid state laser.
Consists of 6 separate rays, reduced simultaneously to the target.
It works on a pulsed basis. It is powered by the ship’s power system through supercapacitors.
You can increase power modularly by increasing the number of rays.

[mpzss]

but I am confused by the cost of a shot, only 1 dollar!? ... and they do not take into account the cost of developing and manufacturing this "miracle" of the device !?
Although, right, because they, vrazhin, are fed by the whole world!

[niki233]

one smoke and kapets laser

[Mountain shooter]

I remember an anecdote from the 90s. Gopniks had a fashion then - to tear off fur hats from passers-by. Well, there is a man in a "fawn". Towards the company. Man, let me have a smoke? He rips off his hat and throws it under their feet with a cry: "But when will you get high?"
As long as the laser is in the atmosphere, it is an expensive wunderwhale of incomprehensible use. And all the new reports on this matter - well, the laboratories need to develop something. This is not just a "cut", it is actually work that increases the efficiency of pumping lasers, the quality of optics is getting higher, the use of "adaptive" optics taking into account atmospheric refractions, tracking and guidance systems - all this is serious and then finds its application in other systems sometimes (and most often) civilians. And they swing a saber, because they give more money for weapons, and secrecy, again, and shareholders do not bite into the withers ...

[friend of animals]

I can’t believe that these lasers will be seriously considered as a fighting force. Rather, the next stage of testing, everyone understands that his future is in space. In general, 150 kW is a serious application, I remember not so long ago they said that 100 kW is almost the limit of possibilities. In extreme cases, I’ll burn the retina of the opponents ... What else convention?

Ours are lagging, but this is not surprising. On Soviet technology, we are still sailing.

[Alexander_]

Curiously, the cost of the laser itself is not included in the cost of the shot? The rocket launch is probably also not very expensive - I pressed the button ... :))

[tihonmarine]

Most likely our LOMO developments were transferred by liberals from 5 columns

[Professor]

Unlike rockets, each of which costs several hundred thousand dollars, a single laser shot will cost only one dollar

Bullshit. Wrong by 4 orders.

[avg-mgn]

We take the calculator:
150Kw - pulse energy (we understand that this is not a cw laser).
100 - 1000 Msec at least per pulse (it may destroy the device, but it is guaranteed to damage the radio frequency)
25-40% max. - Laser efficiency (although the Americans announced the development of 70% m efficiency)
77 MW / hour - Power plant of the destroyer Arly Burke
10% - power take-off from the destroyer propulsion system for the laser needs (approximately, the destroyer is not worth it, all airborne systems work)
We are wondering: 77 000Kw / 60min. / 60sec. = 21,4KW - power of the power plant given in 1 sec.,
10% - power take-off from the power plant for laser needs = 21,4Kw
taking into account the laser efficiency, it takes 1 kW / 150 / 0,4 = 21,4 seconds to create a pulse of duration 17,5 seconds

Even taking into account batteries, there are really no more than 5-10 pulses per minute. It is clear that the calculation is very rough, but gives a general idea. The conclusions are yours.

[Genry]

Quote: avg-mgn

150 kW - pulse energy

Energy is measured in joules:
1J = 1W * 1sec
And then you confuse everyone here ...

[kolyhalovs]

Well, from a scientific point of view, this is generally nonsense, a colleague, for

77 000Квт/60мин./60сек. =21,4Квт

dividing power by time, you cannot get power. But let's not quibble. A person considered spending some kilowatts ... or joules ... or kilowatt hours ... or megawatt seconds. Well, in short, I tried.

[voyaka uh]

Jumping from 30 kV to 150 kV is strong.
Apparently, they are satisfied with the practical work of the laser on the landing ship Ponce.

[Rusfaner]

[quote = Andrea] [quote]
I see here one plus-ammunition is unlimited. [/ Quote]
About fog, rains and waves - +100500!
But with ammunition ... Very limited. Starting with the fuel from the tanks of the ship to the work of the power plant and ending with the resource of the working fluid of the laser.
Once upon a time, 30-35 years ago, ours were very successful in creating very powerful gas lasers suitable for combat use. Mainly on objects of a conventional enemy in near space. The work was carried out in response to the notorious SDI Reagan. The results showed that SOI is a fake. But a lot of experience has been accumulated. It's a pity only the economy was "blown away", and then the country.

[Urgent]

Quote: avg-mgn

150Kw - pulse energy (we understand that this is not a cw laser).

Something red and black do not add up to me.
What is this, the cost of 150 kW, which is spent on one "shot" is equal to 1 dollar ???
Where to connect the apartment to such a fabulous tariff for electricity, and ???????

[avg-mgn]

Quote: Urgen

Quote: avg-mgn

150Kw - pulse energy (we understand that this is not a cw laser).

Something red and black do not add up to me.
What is this, the cost of 150 kW, which is spent on one "shot" is equal to 1 dollar ???
Where to connect the apartment to such a fabulous tariff for electricity, and ???????

So I’m here with it, read the article, but at a rate to the Americans.

[Moskal 55]

Quote: Just

Uh-huh.
Our "realized in the 60s" that:
-Cybernetics, this is the corrupt girl of imperialism

No not like this! There was cybernetics and genetics.
But yours back in the 60s began to think about how to sell out to this imperialism for "earthly blessings here and now." And in the early 90s they did it.
Our fault and our misfortune, I admit.

[Strength]

Yesterday there was news that artificial intelligence defeated a pilot instructor in aerial combat.
https://naked-science.ru/article/tech/iskusstvennyy-intellekt-razgromil.

The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves.

[K-50]

one laser shot will cost only one dollar

And for what amount do you need to burn fuel to have enough energy for one shot?
So after all, the installation itself needs to be serviced, while the cost of spare parts and the salary of "technicians" are not taken into account. This is one thing.
Secondly, if the current missiles are installed in the TPK and do not require service for a dozen to one and a half decades, for the entire duration of their warranty period, then maintenance of such an installation is probably required daily.
Oh, the dreams of shitty mattresses, dreams!

[Flinky]

They will knock down a couple of icicles and announce the next overpower.

[WERSTA.]

I have a feeling that in the states they don’t understand what the laser weapon is.

[abrakadabre]

I have a feeling that in the states they don’t understand what the laser weapon is.

Understand. Just not only everything. More precisely, few can do this.
Those who invent lasers understand very much. Who orders and pays for them - everything is sadder. For them.