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NI: Conflict in the Syrian sky between the Russian Aerospace Forces and the United States Air Force is unlikely, but possible

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A recent incident involving Russian and American aircraft over the territory of Syria once again forced to think about whether "the parties can avoid air clashes and military confrontation," according to columnist Michael Peck’s article on The National Interest.




“Last week, the Pentagon stated that the VKS allegedly hit the troops of the US-controlled opposition in the Al-Tanfa region, which fought with the Islamic State. Later, the American side stated that the pilots of the US Air Force tried to contact their Russian colleagues during their air strikes via a predetermined communication channel, but to no avail.reminds RIA News.

Theoretically, the flights of Russians and Americans should not be a problem, since the parties created emergency lines. In addition, “Moscow and Washington have no specific reason for the conflict. Syrian fighters do not have aviation, and in the event of a collision in the air, neither the USA nor Russia can justify that the pilot thought that he was facing an IG plane, ”the author writes.

He notes that "Russia has a military base in Syria, the United States has special forces, but neither Moscow nor Washington has such a large number of military forces involved that aircraft from both sides can" accidentally "bombard someone else's camp."

“This means that if an air collision does occur, it will mean that the White House decided that the defense of the militants sponsored by it against the attacks of Russian aviation was worth the war. Or Russia will suddenly decide to defend the forces of Hezbollah or Iran. However, both are unlikely - the “rules of the game” are defined and known to all parties, ”writes Peck.

Nevertheless, he believes, “for a collision, still enough of a malfunctioning detection device, a crash in the aircraft’s software, or a nervous pilot, is still working.”

Parties “conduct two different air campaigns in the same country. Moscow and Washington have the same goals - in particular, the fight against IS, however, they support completely different groups within the country, ”the observer states.

Moreover, “the parties have an old история conflicts and deep-rooted mutual suspicions, ”he notes.

“Syria’s airspace is too small for both Russia and the United States, and if the parties continue military operations in the air in the long term, there are three possible scenarios: (1) one of the parties will withdraw its forces from Syria and give the other side to bomb the IS, (2) Russia or the United States will agree on a common command over all air operations, (3) sooner or later it will reach bloodshed, ”the article says.
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  1. Khariton
    Khariton 27 June 2016 10: 18
    +3
    You need to beat first ... Otherwise, they begin to become impudent!
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 27 June 2016 10: 37
      +11
      They are all about the confrontation with Russia dreaming .... it would be better for a looked.

      New York Times: Military and intelligence officials in Jordan kidnap and resell weapons supplied by the CIA and Riyadh to Syrian rebels on the black market.

      According to the newspaper, a large flow of weapons worth millions of dollars has appeared on the Jordanian black market, which criminal groups buy for sale abroad. It is, in particular, about Kalashnikov assault rifles, mortars and grenade launchers supplied by the United States for weapons and training.

      According to the newspaper, the stolen American weapons were used in the attack on 2015 in November in Amman, when a Jordanian policeman opened fire on fellow soldiers and instructors, which killed four people, two more American instructors and three Jordanians were injured.

      "The theft of weapons underlines the disorderly, unplanned consequences of weapons and training programs for the rebels," the publication notes.
      http://politrussia.com/news/nyt-postavlyaemoe-tsru-633/

      But a couple of months ago, like .....
      Officials from the United States and the leaders of the "rebels" confirmed the repeated incidents of fighting between the factions in which the Pentagon is engaged and those in which the CIA is engaged. In mid-February, the Fursan al Haq militia or the Knights of Righteousness (CIA) fled the city of Marea, which is 37 kilometers north of Aleppo from the Syrian Democratic Forces (Pentagon), which advanced from Syrian Kurdistan to the east.

      The leader of the "Knights of Righteousness" Fares Bayush declared that his fighters would fight with any groups that attack the "Knights", regardless of who they support. He spoke about the clashes with the "Pentagonists" in the area of ​​the city of Azaz, a key point on the way from Aleppo to Turkey. On March 3, battles were fought in the Sheikh Maksud area.

      All of these clashes occur against the backdrop of heavy fighting in Syria and illustrate the problems of coordination by the US of dozens of groups that are simultaneously trying to overthrow the government of Bashar Assad, fighting off the DAISh militants and fighting each other.
      http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/315766-krovavye-razborki-pentagona-i-cru

      -amerikancy-ne-mogut-podelit-siriyu.html

      In the US, insane imbeciles have seized power .... fool
      This only proves that you need to bomb all ... including amerikosov .... for these idiots do not know what they are doing ....
      1. Temples
        Temples 27 June 2016 10: 39
        +5
        There are three possible scenarios:

        Or the fourth option, in which events will develop as this fucking seer did not dare to think.
        1. Mengad
          Mengad 27 June 2016 15: 53
          +2
          yes, if events get out of the control of the opposing forces. And some sort of prodigy with megalomania would not dare to start his game laughing
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 27 June 2016 14: 58
        +3
        Quote: Sid.74
        In the US, insane imbeciles have seized power ....

        The insane imbecile was the man who came to power in the USSR in 1985, and the Americans have thought everything through, they do everything for the benefit of themselves.
    2. Andrey K
      Andrey K 27 June 2016 10: 38
      +19
      NI: Conflict in the Syrian sky between the Russian Aerospace Forces and the United States Air Force is unlikely, but possible
      Theoretically, there shouldn’t be a conflict in the Syrian sky - the USA shouldn’t be there request
      What kind of conflict can we talk about: the Aerospace Forces are officially at the invitation of the government of the SAR - the United States with a "coalition", just the occupiers request
      Drive a filthy broom all this abomination and the Syrian conflict itself, will exhaust itself in a matter of weeks yes
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    4. cniza
      cniza 27 June 2016 10: 39
      +6
      Quote: Chariton
      You need to beat first ... Otherwise, they begin to become impudent!



      The United States is only capable of provocation and preferably someone else's hands.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 27 June 2016 10: 47
        -3
        Quote: cniza
        The United States is only capable of provocation and preferably someone else's hands.

        Yes, nothing they can not ... from the word at all ...

        The US-backed Syrian rebel groups, concentrated in the largest city in Aleppo, found themselves in an extremely difficult situation: in the near future they will have to reflect "a ruthless offensive led by Russia," writes The Daily Beast. In the meantime, the American security forces are reacting to this situation very strangely - instead of displaying unity during this difficult time for Washington's allies, they began to “squabble among themselves,” the columnist is indignant.

        As two US Department of Defense officials told The Daily Beast, the Pentagon’s leadership is not particularly willing to support the Aleppo rebels, because they believe they are linked to the al-Qaida Syrian unit. Representatives of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) of the country, in turn, continue to help local opposition fighters and argue that the statements of defense officials "reproduce Russian propaganda," according to the material.

        The Pentagon reproduces "Kremlin propaganda" .. belay .. fool
      2. Khariton
        Khariton 27 June 2016 10: 58
        0
        Quote: cniza
        Quote: Chariton
        You need to beat first ... Otherwise, they begin to become impudent!

        The United States is only capable of provocation and preferably someone else's hands.

        You need to beat such ... Such only understand the power! Although Russia is weak (compared to the United States), it still needs to be bold, this is our strength! (As our fans ..))))
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    6. Dam
      Dam 27 June 2016 10: 53
      +5
      I would say that conflict is now possible everywhere. And at such a pace of mattress policy, it will become likely
    7. GSH-18
      GSH-18 27 June 2016 11: 35
      +4
      Quote: Chariton
      You need to beat first ... Otherwise, they begin to become impudent!

      This is not the case. We, like the Americans, do not need a nuclear conflict.
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 27 June 2016 11: 45
        +5
        Quote: GSH-18
        Quote: Chariton
        You need to beat first ... Otherwise, they begin to become impudent!

        This is not the case. We, like the Americans, do not need a nuclear conflict.

        To beat, it is not necessary to exchange nuclear weapons ... So the Turks struck first, we wiped off the "bloody snot" ... What's wrong? Now the United States can also give it in the throat, if we try again. They just kick the jackals ... !
    8. noWAR
      noWAR 27 June 2016 13: 14
      +2
      Quote: Chariton
      You need to beat first ... Otherwise, they begin to become impudent!

      Meehan, maybe a good saber to wave? Not stupid people, sort it out.
    9. revnagan
      revnagan 27 June 2016 14: 03
      +3
      It is necessary to put pressure on the fact that the Russian Aerospace Forces are invited by the OFFICIAL, LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT OF SYRIA. And who invited the Amer flyers there? Next, all who shoot in the direction of the Syrian government are terrorists. Because if you are the opposition, then go ahead to negotiate, and took up arms to shoot a legitimate terrorist government.
    10. Deniosf
      Deniosf 27 June 2016 14: 56
      0
      Not professional
  2. kot423
    kot423 27 June 2016 10: 22
    +13
    Good must be with fists,
    With a tail and sharp horns
    With hooves and a beard.
    Barbed wool is covered,
    Breathing fire, biya hoof,
    It will come for you too!
    You hear - here it walks,
    Venom drains from fangs to the ground
    The tail angrily whips on the sides.
    Good, howling ominously
    With horns of clouds touching
    Creeps closer to you!
    You, the American pilot
    The bearer of the spirit of humanism,
    I wish you Good - and may
    When you meet him, my verse you will remember
    And then deaf midnight
    An eerie cry will cut through: "Help!"
    And then - champing and crunching ...
  3. tiredwithall
    tiredwithall 27 June 2016 10: 25
    +2
    Escalation provides very extensive opportunities for provocation. But you should not give in to provocation.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 27 June 2016 11: 21
      0
      Quote: tiredwithall
      Escalation provides very extensive opportunities for provocation. But you should not give in to provocation.

      In the 41st, too, did not succumb ... The result is terrible (for losses ..)
      1. tiredwithall
        tiredwithall 27 June 2016 12: 26
        +1
        Quote: Chariton
        Quote: tiredwithall
        Escalation provides very extensive opportunities for provocation. But you should not give in to provocation.

        In the 41st, too, did not succumb ... The result is terrible (for losses ..)


        An article on the causes of 1941 failures was published in several parts on the VO site last week. Read. In general, failures 41 are difficult to relate to resistance to provocations. There may be some costs arising from the scrupulous fulfillment of the obligations of the USSR, but they are orders of magnitude blocked by other global failures.
        1. Khariton
          Khariton 27 June 2016 12: 41
          -1
          Quote: tiredwithall
          Quote: Chariton
          Quote: tiredwithall
          Escalation provides very extensive opportunities for provocation. But you should not give in to provocation.

          In the 41st, too, did not succumb ... The result is terrible (for losses ..)


          An article on the causes of 1941 failures was published in several parts on the VO site last week. Read. In general, failures 41 are difficult to relate to resistance to provocations. There may be some costs arising from the scrupulous fulfillment of the obligations of the USSR, but they are orders of magnitude blocked by other global failures.

          Rezun analyst ..? I don’t need to show it all to me, where and what to read ... BEGIN!
          I have ancestors who told me everything ....
          1. tiredwithall
            tiredwithall 27 June 2016 15: 14
            +1
            Well you! Don't get so excited. No one will force to read a person by force. If not difficult, state your opinion in more detail.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 27 June 2016 12: 32
        +1
        In a possible conflict, present time, the result will be much worse than in the 41st and subsequent years of the Second World War - for some 20 minutes that will radically change the world.
  4. Enoch
    Enoch 27 June 2016 10: 28
    +2
    Yankees are specialists in provocations, fish soup and rockets should be kept watch.
  5. Mengad
    Mengad 27 June 2016 10: 28
    +1
    The USA has experience in provocations. This is the Armored Cruiser Main in 1898, the ocean liner Lusitania, drowned by a German torpedo. There are also rumors about Pearl Harbor, a provocation in the Gulf of Tonkin, Yugoslavia and Iraq with a Colin Powell cracking test tube At a press conference, many people know. So you can expect everything from s.
    1. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 27 June 2016 10: 36
      -1
      What nonsense, and check spelling.
      1. Mengad
        Mengad 27 June 2016 10: 54
        -1
        And where is the nonsense? I invented it? Argument and do not write your nonsense.
        1. Dimon19661
          Dimon19661 27 June 2016 12: 08
          -2
          I wonder where these rumors go, in the yellow press?
          1. Mengad
            Mengad 27 June 2016 12: 16
            0
            All of the above, led to hostilities in a given territory, which resulted in millions of civilian casualties, destruction of infrastructure, and redistribution of geopolitical zones of influence in the world. Is this also a yellow press?
            1. Dimon19661
              Dimon19661 27 June 2016 12: 31
              -1
              Almost from the very moment the cruiser died, a conspiracy theological version of the disaster appeared, according to which the cruiser was blown up by agents of the American government in order to provoke a wave of popular outrage against Spain. This version is not supported by any material sources, but it is very popular. The main objection against it is that the destruction of "Maine" - one of the few modern American armored ships at that time - for the sake of provocation, is an unreasonably expensive action that undermines the fighting efficiency of the fleet.
              1. Mengad
                Mengad 27 June 2016 12: 57
                0
                There are many disputes, but you voiced one version of events .. and the second? and the second reads: In 1910, the ship began to be raised to the surface, as it interfered with shipping. The technology was as follows: since the "Man" sank at a shallow depth (14 meters), a lot of 30-meter piles were driven into the bottom with the help of floating steam hammers. They surrounded the ship with a kind of picket fence, forming a waterproof rubber dam. Then the gaps between the piles were closed, and the pumping of water began. At the same time, a re-investigation of the incident was launched.
                Inspection of the ship’s hull by divers could not finally resolve the issue of the cause of the explosion, but cast doubt on a number of conclusions of the 1898 commission. In particular, divers found that the keel damage, which in 1898 was one of the main arguments in favor of an external explosion, was actually caused by the detonation of the cellars (which, however, the investigation in 1910 admitted, could have been caused by an external explosion). One of the reasons for the commission’s uncertain conclusions was that the ship’s hull was severely corroded and the bow was completely destroyed. PS Although this version (the demolition of the cruiser by a mine, which was brought under the spaniards by the Spaniards) was widely circulated in the American press, it was never put forward as an official the charges. The destruction of Maine as such did not bring any direct benefits to Spain (except that weakened the American fleet) and only increased the likelihood of a conflict with the United States, which the Spanish government was trying to avoid. However, there is a certain likelihood that the cruiser could have been blown up by a Spanish barrage mine, torn by the current from the anchors and drifting across the bay. (Wikipedia)
              2. revnagan
                revnagan 27 June 2016 13: 58
                0
                Quote: Dimon19661
                the destruction of "Maine" - one of the few modern American armored ships at that time

                At the time of its death, the "Maine" was morally and physically outdated, rusty trough, which it would not be a pity to sacrifice for a great goal (well, such as twin towers). In addition, by a strange coincidence, the command staff of the cruiser, which consisted of whites, practically did not suffer. but the negro sailors in full force went to the sea king. Coincidence?
          2. Mengad
            Mengad 27 June 2016 12: 20
            0
            and about the grammatical errors I made (more precisely, typos) in which you deigned to reproach me, I’ll tell you this: to be literate does not mean to be smart. Do not judge strictly wink Good luck hi
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 June 2016 12: 36
      -1
      Yeah, it turns out that the Americans in Pearl Harbor bombed themselves.
      1. Dimon19661
        Dimon19661 27 June 2016 12: 38
        0
        And here people like to believe in fried rumors, and as you ask about documentary evidence, silence is in response.
        1. Mengad
          Mengad 27 June 2016 15: 42
          0
          Can you enlighten us as an ignoramus? Judging by the posts you can only blame and insert quotes from Wikipedia into posts to insert without even giving a link to Wikipedia laughing Did not try to write yourself? even with typos or grammatical errors, but still yourself? laughing
      2. Mengad
        Mengad 27 June 2016 15: 26
        0
        Do you need to be reminded of September 11, 2001, or will you also say that this is what the Saudis did? Oh yes ... only the Saudis did not bomb, but Iraq.
  6. ghby
    ghby 27 June 2016 10: 30
    +2
    The parties “conduct two different air campaigns in one country. Moscow and Washington have the same goals - in particular, the fight against IS, but they support completely different grouping inside the country, ”says the observer.

    This is how the influence on the minds takes place, it seems like one thing is being discussed, but in fact the legal government of Syria has already been equated with the group.
  7. Altona
    Altona 27 June 2016 10: 31
    +3
    Airplanes these days do not seem to fly by themselves, but enjoy the support of radars from the ground. Yes, and no one canceled the transponders. But if you exclude all of the above, then kaneshno.
  8. newcomer
    newcomer 27 June 2016 10: 32
    +4
    to whom that, and the trigger is millet. the Yankees are so persistent in saying that being in trouble. knowing their dirty nature, knowing how they prepare the way for the desired action / result, I dare to assume that something will happen.
  9. atamankko
    atamankko 27 June 2016 10: 33
    +3
    Too many jackals who howl to the tune of the USA
    but we don’t get used to unfounded accusations,
    We will do our job.
  10. semuil
    semuil 27 June 2016 10: 42
    +1
    then there are three possible scenarios:
    1) Americans must leave. 2) Only Russia commands in the sky of Syria. 3) Any provocation is a war, and most likely nuclear.
  11. Hundred
    Hundred 27 June 2016 10: 44
    +2
    Something tells me from the experience of previous incidents and subsequent warnings from Russia about the alleged impossibility of flying to the territory of Syria aircraft of other countries without off-invitation from the Syrian leadership and with such flights immediately shot down. Even with the possible loss of our fighter or helicopter from the hands of the United States nothing but empty threats will follow. The USA has not invited anyone to Syria on an off-base. Nobody gave me the right to fly there? But the bombers fly and nobody drives them or shoots them all the more. Have the States received permission for bombing? Are their special forces permitted in Syria? Maybe I missed something?
  12. Same lech
    Same lech 27 June 2016 10: 50
    0
    Moscow and Washington have the same goals - in particular, the fight against IS, however, they support completely different groups within the country, ”the observer notes.


    Absolutely incorrect interpretation ...

    WASHINGTON has one goal ... this is the overthrow of the ASADA government and the subjugation of Syria, with the help of ISIS terrorists, to US plans.

    Terrorists are very convenient for cleansing inconvenient citizens in an independent country ... you can write them off and then write them off yourself.
  13. donavi49
    donavi49 27 June 2016 10: 50
    0
    Indirect actions are possible. That night, Jaish Islam (according to the United States and the United Nations reasonable opposition) - fired at a helicopter from Osa.

    This installation was captured in 2014 with 6 missiles, at the same time all 6 missiles were fired on record (3 sides were shot down). Since November 2014, the installation "disappeared" - as it was reasonably then assumed, the missiles ran out.

    And now, a new video (it differs from 6 already taken launches) with the same Wasp. Helicopter bombardment, the helicopter was lucky, because distant detonation, most likely survived. However, the very fact that Allah gave rockets to an adult air defense system capable of operating around the clock and working at altitudes up to 5 km - and for supersonic targets at a range of 10 km is sad.
  14. cap
    cap 27 June 2016 10: 55
    +1
    “Last week, the Pentagon said that the Aerospace Forces allegedly attacked units of the US-controlled opposition in the Al-Tanfa area, which was fighting the Islamic State. Later, the American side said that the US Air Force pilots tried to contact their Russian counterparts during their airstrikes through a pre-established communication channel, but to no avail, "RIA Novosti recalls.

    Moreover, “the parties have a long history of conflict and deeply rooted mutual suspicions,” he notes.

    This is a hint that it is "quite likely" that the Americans may be inadequate and can launch a rocket, such as the Russians' radio does not work.

    I didn’t smell it!
    Although .... if the generals at the meeting lose consciousness, then everything can be.
    general swoon

    "Major General James Martin fainted right during the press conference ..."
  15. iouris
    iouris 27 June 2016 10: 58
    0
    As in Raikin: "It may very well be, although it is unlikely."
    The question is what will be the reaction if ... The USA does not depend on our tourists, they don’t sell tomatoes to us. In short, which side of a possible conflict in the Syrian sky is ready to go to the end?
  16. prior
    prior 27 June 2016 11: 01
    +2
    If the Americans so persistently want incidents in the skies of Syria, they will "get" (provoke) them.
    Our pilots have to be ready for this and not rely on "partners".
    Guys! TRUTH and GOD are with you! For you "Moscow", S-400 and Motherland!
  17. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 27 June 2016 11: 19
    0
    Or Russia suddenly decides to defend the forces of Hezbollah or Iran.

    Israel specializes in Hezbollah.
  18. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 27 June 2016 11: 36
    +2
    The US Armed Forces, which were considered (read those who considered themselves), suddenly, unexpectedly after the start of their use in Syria, began to yell with weaknesses of their generals about weak armament, poor air force and lagging behind Russia. The Pentagon already doesn’t peck at the money, it’s also been knocked out thanks to Syria. Business comes first, Assad's overthrow comes second. The longer the fight, the more bucks.
  19. 3 Gorynych
    3 Gorynych 27 June 2016 11: 40
    +3
    Moscow and Washington have the same goals - in particular, the fight against IS, however, they support completely different groups within the country, ”the observer notes.
    Why are they so difficult - the Russian Federation does not support the "groupings", the Russian Federation supports the legitimate government!
  20. afrikanez
    afrikanez 27 June 2016 11: 58
    +1
    Isn't it easier for the Americans to simply "dump" out of Syria and generally forget about the Middle East. So it will be calmer for them and no one will squeal about their fears and concerns. good
  21. Arkan
    Arkan 27 June 2016 12: 10
    +1
    No need to "punish" and there will be no trouble. The Americans will not provoke a conflict due to its unpredictable development.
  22. Leeder
    Leeder 27 June 2016 12: 40
    0
    Quote: Chariton
    You need to beat first ... Otherwise, they begin to become impudent!

    Do you propose to start the 3rd world?
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 27 June 2016 12: 46
      -1
      Quote: LeeDer
      Quote: Chariton
      You need to beat first ... Otherwise, they begin to become impudent!

      Do you propose to start the 3rd world?

      I suggest shooting down and shooting ....! No need to be afraid. They still have more to lose than US! FEAR! That's all .... hi
      1. Leeder
        Leeder 27 June 2016 13: 21
        +1
        I am not saying that you need to be silent in a "rag", but starting first is also not good.
        This conflict will give them a reason to increase defense spending, hysteria, and another reason for sanctions, and the world community will not like it either. While we are doing everything right, for understanding people. But we will begin to behave inappropriately, we will remain alone against everyone.
  23. Ros 56
    Ros 56 27 June 2016 15: 10
    +1
    We were invited to help by the legitimate government of Syria, and who called the stripes? Nobody, let them fall to their America. Well, they want to wrestle, something I do not envy them. Far from home.
  24. razved
    razved 27 June 2016 18: 10
    0
    Nehren they do in the sky of Syria, no one called them there. There will not be them in the Syrian sky, there will not be even the least likelihood of a collision.