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Historical exhibits of the Museum of the Air Force of the Russian Federation will be restored

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On Friday, Sergei Shoigu, during his work at the Moninsky military garrison, set the task of developing a concept for the development of an air force museum, the press service reported. Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.


“It is necessary to develop a concept for the development of the Air Force Museum, which would provide not only replenishment of funds and expositions, but also preservation, and most importantly restoration historical exhibits ",
said Shoigu.

He noted that "many exhibits of the museum have historical value of world importance."

“Therefore, it is necessary to create a special scientific laboratory that would be engaged not only in studying the condition of aircraft, but also, I emphasize, restoration and restoration work,” said the minister.

Historical exhibits of the Museum of the Air Force of the Russian Federation will be restored


“It is necessary to ensure the possibility of not only restoring the appearance of the aircraft, but also their aggregative part, the interior to the original appearance,” he stressed.

“Some cars can be put on the wing, restored to a flying state. There are many enthusiasts in our country who are professionally involved in this, ”noted Shoigu.

One of the main issues to be considered in the concept is “visibility and accessibility of expositions not only for lovers aviationbut for everyone. ”

“For this we need pavilions and hangars equipped with the latest technology, including multimedia tools, with which you can visually get acquainted with the exhibits and exhibits, their history,” said the head of the military department.

“Museums should be visited not only by specialists, but also by all who are interested in aviation. And these are hundreds of thousands, millions of citizens, ”Shoigu said.
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  1. Number 17
    Number 17 25 June 2016 11: 15
    .
    Interesting. And how to familiarize yourself with what is to be made to fly. What will Buran restore or that 144 ????
    1. poquello
      poquello 25 June 2016 11: 23
      +6
      Quote: 17 number
      Interesting. And how to familiarize yourself with what is to be made to fly. ...

      and what problems - it stands as an exhibit, it rolls out on events for a flight, unless of course everything is thought out correctly
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 25 June 2016 11: 30
        +21
        Hey, the minuser, having crookedly stuck around, is already correcting on the third branch of the minus, running around quietly, sticking all the minuses into the mud, the colleagues corrected everything that he could, and the museum simply had to be.
        1. Maksus
          Maksus 25 June 2016 11: 48
          +44
          First I set a minus, are you satisfied? If a person writes nonsense, why not put a minus? Which Buran or Tu-144? It is easier to restore the piston and first reactive ones to the flight state. Where to fly on Buran is unclear, and most importantly why.
          But the idea of ​​making the Moninsky Museum a NORMAL museum, and not a cemetery of unique technology - is excellent. I have long wanted for us to do something similar to the Imperial War Museum in Duxford.
          1. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 25 June 2016 11: 55
            +2
            Does it also seem to be interested in aviation? hi
            1. Maksus
              Maksus 25 June 2016 12: 12
              +4
              Quote: Dr. Bormental
              Does it also seem to be interested in aviation? hi


              Not to say that I am interested in aviation, I just love technical museums. I like walking around tank museums more, it’s a pity that when I was in France, Saumur was not able to visit.
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          3. poquello
            poquello 25 June 2016 11: 56
            -2
            Quote: Maksus
            First I set a minus, are you satisfied? If a person writes nonsense, why not put a minus? Which Buran or Tu-144? It’s easier to restore to flight status

            yeah, with such arguments silently safer
            1. Maksus
              Maksus 25 June 2016 12: 12
              +5
              Do you disagree? Think about the engines that are on the TU-144, the cost of their maintenance and the price of fuel.
              1. poquello
                poquello 25 June 2016 12: 27
                +2
                Quote: Maksus
                Do you disagree? Think about the engines that are on the TU-144, the cost of their maintenance and the price of fuel.

                if any of such complex and expensive equipment will be put on the wing, it is clearly not for the museum, and
                Quote: number 17
                And how to familiarize yourself with what is to be made to fly. What will Buran restore or that 144 ????

                Where's the pro for the Tu144? but as exhibits Buran and Tu144 are quite
                1. Maksus
                  Maksus 25 June 2016 12: 36
                  +7
                  Quote: poquello
                  ... but as exhibits Buran and Tu144 are quite


                  The Tu-144 in Monino is in quite good condition, what else does a colleague want to restore it to? But the Germans in Sinsheim have a better Carcass position, unfortunately.
                  1. sandrmur76
                    sandrmur76 26 June 2016 04: 17
                    +3
                    Chic couple Tu-144 and Concord good To create a museum of this level, huge funds are required crying In the Murmansk region in Safonovo was in a hangar full of airplanes including with the Second World War. Very sad.
                  2. Bayonet
                    Bayonet 26 June 2016 06: 32
                    +2
                    Quote: Maksus
                    but the Germans in Sinsheim have a better Carcass position, unfortunately.

                    Why "unfortunately"? It’s good that people lovingly preserve samples of unique technology!
                  3. aba
                    aba 26 June 2016 10: 29
                    +1
                    Tu-144 in Monino so in good condition

                    And I wonder what will be done with the creation of Bartini?
                    I'm happy for Monino!
                2. Inok10
                  Inok10 25 June 2016 12: 51
                  +8
                  Quote: Maksus
                  Think about the engines that are on the TU-144, the cost of their maintenance and the price of fuel.

                  ... and what is the point? ... why did you not like NK-144 or RD-36-51A? ... and how is the fuel price sideways? ... this is not economic exploitation ... ah, an airworthy museum piece ... how ecology and noise are there? ... there is such a concept: FEDERAL AVIATION RULES "PROVISION ON THE PROCEDURE OF PERMISSION FOR OPERATION OF SINGLE EXAMPLES OF AIRCRAFT OF GENERAL PURPOSE AIRCRAFT" ... the certificate is issued for a single copy ... hi
                  1. Maksus
                    Maksus 25 June 2016 12: 57
                    0
                    Why restore a plane to flight condition if it does not fly, at least sometimes? This is some kind of pointless investment. It’s one thing to raise the MiG-3 or MiG-15 into the air, the Tu-144 is another. This is what band should be in the museum in order to take off and land it? So imagine the amount of investment in this matter, but with this money it will be possible to ALL of our WWII fighters on the wing, coupled with the early jet fighters.
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 25 June 2016 13: 12
                      +4
                      Quote: Maksus
                      Why restore a plane to flight condition if it does not fly, at least sometimes?

                      ... I knowingly led you to this steppe ... laughing ... now open http://russianplanes.net/regsearch/?search=+144&setyp=&sefactory=&airline=&airli
                      ne2 = & status = & status2 = & therearephotos = & date =
                      ... and count the Tu-144 ... 2 sides in museums (Monino and Zinheim) and 5 sides in storage at the ANTK and LII ... what’s the funniest side with / n. 9-01 did not fly off even a quarter of its resource and is in airworthiness, even by the operating life ... clearly a screen ... laughing
                      1. Inok10
                        Inok10 25 June 2016 13: 15
                        +5
                        Quote: Maksus
                        Why restore a plane to flight condition if it does not fly, at least sometimes? This is some kind of pointless investment.

                        ... You are so sincerely worried about the "economic feasibility" that I personally got the opposite impression ... propose to distribute these funds to "pregnant pensioners"? ... somewhere we have already heard this more than once ... laughing
                      2. Maksus
                        Maksus 25 June 2016 13: 32
                        -3
                        Yes, I’m up to your opinion, as it were, violet. I am for raising MiGs from the times of the War, Korea and Vietnam, making a good replica of LaGG, all of Yaki.
                        And even if you give it out to pensioners, what's wrong with that? Or is the position of a clown with an iPhone close to you? Like, "hang in there?" Then it is a pity that I ran into a liberal marshal.
                    2. Maksus
                      Maksus 25 June 2016 13: 18
                      0
                      I read the history of the sides. It’s only necessary to restore one thing, to deliver fuel in huge quantities and to service this whole thing. Tu-144 - a very difficult car. And the strip? What about her? Even in states where people have more money flying planes from the period before the Vietnam War, then they became too complicated for the private trader to pull.
                    3. Inok10
                      Inok10 25 June 2016 13: 37
                      +6
                      [quote = Maksus] Only it is necessary to restore all one, to deliver fuel in huge quantities and to serve all this business. [/ quote]
                      ... The 4-side of the Tu-144 is still in serviceability to this day, and there is no need to restore anything ... laughing
                      [quote = Maksus] And the strip? What can you say about her? [/ Quote]
                      ... what are you talking about? ... aerodromes ANTK and LII them. Gromov you are not satisfied, where are the flight boards? ... I can offer a New Town, now the center of the Kubinka air show (although for me it will remain a New Town) ... Mriya flew there in the 80s ... hi
                      [quote = Maksus] Even in states where people have more money flying planes from the period before the Vietnam War, then they became too complicated for the private trader to pull. [/ quote]
                      ... the problems of mattress mats, Russians do not care ... and as far as I remember, the same Patriot park is not a private "Horns and Hooves" ... and there are different private traders, Yak-30 and Yak-32 have been restored to the state of flight fitness enthusiasts:
                      [quote] The initiator of the restoration of the surviving copies of the training aircraft of the Yakovlev Design Bureau was Design Bureau "Modern Aviation Technologies", the recovery process itself is carried out by the company Profmotors. Source: http://www.nnre.ru/transport_i_aviacija/aviacija_i_kosmonavtika_2008_03/p9.php[/

                      quote] ... and that was in shaggy 2007, and last year even enthusiasts of the Modern Aviation Technologies Design Bureau took up their training CP-10, which we have been discussing for half a year at least ... hi
                    4. Maksus
                      Maksus 25 June 2016 13: 56
                      +1
                      I'm talking about Monino, what does Gromov have to do with it? There will be a museum in Monino, Kozhugetovich seemed to be talking about him, is there a band there that can receive the Tu-144? Do not pour everything into one bucket)
                    5. Inok10
                      Inok10 25 June 2016 14: 27
                      +3
                      Quote: Maksus
                      I'm talking about Monino, what does Gromov have to do with it? There will be a museum in Monino, Kozhugetovich seemed to be talking about him, is there a band there that can receive the Tu-144? Do not pour everything into one bucket)

                      ... Your ideas about the organization of museum work are more than mediocre ... a concrete example ... the icebreaker "Krasin" of the museum exhibit of the "Kaliningrad Museum of the World Ocean" with the location of the museum in Kaliningrad and the main exposition ... but, territorially " Krasin "in St. Petersburg, as a branch of the Kaliningrad Museum of the World Ocean ... is now available? ... a static exposition can be located in Monino, as before ... and, here, exhibits in a state of airworthiness can easily be located in the center of the Kubinka air show (Novy Gorodok) of the Patriot Park, and the maintenance of the state there, with The presence of the 121st Aircraft Repair Plant in the Old Town is much easier ... as a branch of the Monino Air Force Museum, a dynamic exposition ... hi ... including the Tu-144 flight prototype because of which you shed so many tears due to the high costs of restoration, insanely expensive operation and maintenance, which you were informed about the availability of 4 Tu-144 flight prototypes to this day ... clearly Cuban ... hi
                    6. Maksus
                      Maksus 25 June 2016 19: 34
                      0
                      Are you a museum worker? Monino has its own Tu-144. You know, museum. His status has already been determined. The remaining 4 boards are in storage, the issue of ownership remains open. Do you generally focus on financing? Here is an example: in our hospital, servers purchased by the administration are located to store images. We cannot conclude an agreement on their service, since they are not ours, but are listed on the balance sheet of the administration. And there they cannot conclude an agreement, since there is no money for such needs. The administration’s hospital also cannot transfer money, as it should not be. And now the server is slowly dying and the entire database of images can be covered. And you about the branches ...
          4. Lekov L
            Lekov L 25 June 2016 21: 02
            +5
            It's one thing to fly the MiG-3 or the MiG-15 into the air, the other is the Tu-144. This is what strip should be in the museum to take off-plant it turned out?

            It so happened that I was present at the landing at the Monino Museum on the 144th.
            He sat down calmly, the crew went out without a sweat, to our delighted and enthusiastic questions (students of the Bauman Moscow State Technical University), the commander told that the device was working, it would fly and fly, but to drown its engines, that with kerosene, that in rubles "especially postal" is good for something.
            The year was probably 81-83, I do not remember exactly.
            The plane was in perfect condition.
            Why don't he fly to the show once a year.
            This is the history of our country and its glory!
            Sincerely.
            PS I would also suggest putting a "su" on the wing ...
          5. Aljavad
            Aljavad 26 June 2016 00: 01
            +3
            Why restore a plane to flight condition if it does not fly, at least sometimes? This is some kind of pointless investment.


            It's like a grandfather pocket watch on a chain. Start-up is not necessary. But let them be in good condition.
          6. michell
            michell 26 June 2016 08: 46
            +1
            Quote: Maksus
            This is what band should be in the museum in order to take off and land it?


            And how do you think TU-144 got into Monino? And all the rest (TU-95, TU-22, M-1, T-4) planes? The normal strip in Monino, however, is unpaved (at least in the 80s, now it’s not up to date). But the overwhelming majority of the aircrafts on display in Monino arrived on their own, TU-144 among them - this was the only, as far as I know, landing of this type of aircraft on an unpaved strip.
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    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 25 June 2016 19: 41
      0
      Quote: Maksus
      Think about the engines that are on the TU-144, the cost of their maintenance and the price of fuel.

      There seems to be a special modification of the NK-32 developed for the Tu-144 installed, if desired, engines can be installed from the Tu-160.
      Quote: Maksus
      the cost of their maintenance and the price of fuel.

      And will he constantly fly? Maybe on the MAKSs and on the day the VKS will be lifted into the air and that’s all, it won’t add any special expenses.
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 25 June 2016 20: 30
        -1
        What is the point of making it flying then? The plane was born for the sky, it is sad on the ground, it only lives in the sky. That is why I consider it necessary to restore the "small fry" - it will be both beautiful and proud. And fly them whenever possible.
    3. Locksmith
      Locksmith 25 June 2016 23: 01
      0
      Quote: Maksus
      Think about the engines that are on the TU-144

      These are exactly the same on the TU160, especially in Samara, the serial production of these engines has begun. laughing
    4. Aljavad
      Aljavad 25 June 2016 23: 58
      0
      Think about the engines that are on the TU-144, the cost of their maintenance and the price of fuel.


      Chasing those engines is optional. And the legend must be kept in FULL order!
  • vovanpain
    vovanpain 25 June 2016 12: 10
    +8
    Quote: Maksus
    I set the first minus

    My colleague, my comment doesn’t apply to you either, you didn’t minus everyone on 3 branches, I’m not for myself, I’m minus my address, it’s violet, I’m sorry for my colleagues, I’ll run through such a nonsense cons and in mud, if only then explained at least for what. Regards. hi
    1. Maksus
      Maksus 25 June 2016 12: 21
      +2
      Yes, no problem, it’s just strange that many people today, when discussing any undertakings, completely do not take into account economic realities. It is one thing to restore plywood-2 plywood, another thing is a supersonic airplane. The state or Gazprom will have enough money for this, but they won’t give a certificate for flights in any way. There will be obstacles in terms of noise and ecology.
  • aviator65
    aviator65 25 June 2016 13: 17
    +1
    I fully support. As for the first comment, then, indeed, it may not be worth it to understand everything so literally.
  • Homo
    Homo 25 June 2016 15: 55
    +1
    I fully support, I also put a minus.
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 26 June 2016 06: 27
    +1
    Quote: Maksus
    But the idea of ​​making the Moninsky Museum a NORMAL museum, and not a cemetery of unique technology - is excellent.

    With our climate, only pavilions-hangars can keep unique exhibits in a decent form. In open parking lots, destruction is inevitable!
  • Monarchist
    Monarchist 26 June 2016 07: 32
    +1
    Colonel General, you are right: to restore Buran to flight condition is rubbish, and the first biplanes are possible. In fact, it’s time to take up such museums for a long time.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 June 2016 11: 49
    +4
    For vovanpain
    already on the third branch ...

    This is not happening the first day. First of all, it minus comments in support of Russia and criticizing the West without expressing its opinion.
    1. Pitot
      Pitot 25 June 2016 12: 21
      0
      Why is it strange? The fifth column, apparently, received Viagra from the State Department of one country, and that got excited ..... who would have fitted the strychnine to them ....
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 26 June 2016 07: 50
        0
        Ger Major General, you are right: the fifth column of Uncle S. is desirable .... to thin out
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 25 June 2016 12: 45
      +8
      Quote: rotmistr60
      This is not happening the first day. First of all, it minus comments in support of Russia and criticizing the West without expressing its opinion.

      And we fix it as much as we can, only recently they have become too excited, we see that they have received another grant. winked
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      I only know two - one Ukrainian (he has the flag of the European Union), talked in person - Russophobe, the second poor fox (the picture shows a fox, nickname is written in German, the fox is always translated)

      Well, Ivan Arnoldovich knows about dill, but Lysenok also suffered from a minusator, also like a red tomato along with everyone. hi
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 25 June 2016 11: 53
    +2
    I only know two - one Ukrainian (he has the flag of the European Union), talked in person - Russophobe, the second poor fox (the picture shows a fox, nickname is written in German, the fox is always translated)
    1. poquello
      poquello 25 June 2016 12: 43
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      This is not happening the first day. First of all, it minus comments in support of Russia and criticizing the West without expressing its opinion.

      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      I only know two - one Ukrainian (he has the flag of the European Union), talked in person - Russophobe, the second poor fox (the picture shows a fox, nickname is written in German, the fox is always translated)

      it to administrators
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  • Verdun
    Verdun 25 June 2016 17: 51
    +1
    Quote: poquello
    and what problems - it stands as an exhibit, it rolls out on events for a flight, unless of course everything is thought out correctly

    Here to think over competently - problems may arise with this. For some, this would mean creating a good museum. and for someone - to cut money for its creation. In addition, it is extremely important that the equipment fall into the hands of real restorers, and not like those just now, together with the deputy minister of culture, thundered. And enthusiasm alone is not enough - you need knowledge and understanding of what restoration is.
    1. poquello
      poquello 25 June 2016 22: 35
      0
      Quote: Verdun
      such as the other day, together with the deputy minister of culture under investigation thundered.

      so happy that they thundered, but with a drink at the start you won’t guess
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 25 June 2016 22: 55
        0
        Quote: poquello
        and with a drink at the start you will not guess

        How do you guess! Money-hungry bees plan everything ahead of time. And you need to intercept these bees back in flight, until they stock up on nectar. For then it is often too late.
        1. poquello
          poquello 26 June 2016 20: 47
          0
          Quote: Verdun
          Quote: poquello
          and with a drink at the start you will not guess

          How do you guess! Money-hungry bees plan everything ahead of time. And you need to intercept these bees back in flight, until they stock up on nectar. For then it is often too late.

          did not quite understand you
          On Friday, Sergei Shoigu, while working at the Moninsky Military Garrison, set the task to develop a concept for the development of the Air Force Museum,

          Are you implying that Shoigu started drinking? In general, this is called knowingly slander.
  • Mitek
    Mitek 25 June 2016 11: 29
    +6
    Quote: 17 number
    Interesting. And how to familiarize yourself with what is to be made to fly. What will Buran restore or that 144 ????

    It will be necessary to restore. The conversation is not about restoring technical readiness, but about a full-scale model. Those readiness will be restored by ENTHUSIASTS, therefore, if you think a little, then we are talking about aircraft of the Great Patriotic War, perhaps the early jet machines will be restored by the cadets of flight universities. But the main task is to keep the history of aviation "alive", to show in "nature" the sequence of its development. Show which way the design idea went and, most importantly, give the young the opportunity to touch it with their hands).
  • Abbra
    Abbra 25 June 2016 11: 42
    +2
    As you know, "Buran" and Tu-144 have already flown ...
  • Aljavad
    Aljavad 25 June 2016 23: 51
    +1
    number 17 (2) UA Today, 11:15 am New
    Interesting. And how to familiarize yourself with what is to be made to fly. What will Buran restore or that 144 ????


    Why can't the Tu-144 be restored? Most recently flew!

    Where to fly on Buran is unclear, and most importantly why.


    Here I agree. To recreate his "insides" - beauty would be!

    The main sober idea is that the exhibits of this museum should be as "alive" as possible. Not dummies.
  • Koshak
    Koshak 26 June 2016 08: 08
    +2
    Quote: number 17
    Interesting. And how to familiarize yourself with what is to be made to fly. What will Buran restore or that 144 ????

    Read carefully.
    “Some machines can be" put on the wing ", restored to flight condition.
    SOME, but not all in a row.
  • poquello
    poquello 25 June 2016 11: 17
    +2
    pleasant undertaking, cumbersome only, I hope commercially untwisted
    1. dauria
      dauria 25 June 2016 11: 23
      +4
      I hope commercially promoted



      Gorky highway, Around Moscow, Russia
      +7 (495) 744 06 77, By car: turn left at Monino, left before the railway bridge, then 500 m; by train: from Yaroslavsky station to st. Monino, then on foot; by bus: metro Schelkovskaya, then bus 362, 587

      Opening hours: Wed-Fri 9.30–13.30, 14.15–17.00, Sat-Sun 9.00–14.00, the ticket office closes an hour earlier, by prior arrangement
      Entrance 60–150 p.

      Will you go? I still could not, although I would very much like to. I live in Nizhny, in Moscow I travel. There’s no time to go to hell on Easter cakes, but on purpose, even with great interest FIGs are going to be gathered.
      1. poquello
        poquello 25 June 2016 11: 32
        +1
        Quote: dauria
        Will you go? I still could not, although I would very much like to.

        God forbid that our possibilities coincided with our desires, I wasn’t in Kaluga either, and my son went on an excursion and I am very happy about this, everything is in the plans, and whether they will be done it will fall
    2. Alf
      Alf 25 June 2016 15: 07
      +1
      Quote: poquello
      I hope commercially promoted

      It is unlikely. Almost all of these museums in the world are subsidized by the state or sponsors. You can, of course, to ensure self-sufficiency, enter ticket prices based on the calculation, but then people will stop going. The Museum of Vadim Zadorozhny on grants and there are always people in it, and make full-fledged tickets, the number of visitors will sharply decrease.
      1. poquello
        poquello 25 June 2016 23: 34
        0
        Quote: Alf
        It is unlikely. Almost all of these museums in the world are subsidized by the state or sponsors.

        maybe I don’t know, but domestic tourism needs to be developed - this is also a movement of money
        1. Alf
          Alf 26 June 2016 20: 06
          0
          Quote: poquello
          but domestic tourism needs to be developed - it is also a movement of money

          And where does domestic tourism come about, if I am talking about ticket prices?
          1. poquello
            poquello 26 June 2016 21: 53
            0
            Quote: Alf
            Quote: poquello
            but domestic tourism needs to be developed - it is also a movement of money

            And where does domestic tourism come about, if I am talking about ticket prices?

            and to answer this question you need to conduct a minimum audit of the museum, a maximum business analysis
  • evil partisan
    evil partisan 25 June 2016 11: 17
    +7
    Material history is an exhaustible resource. It must be stored, however hard it was. Then, after all, we will bite our elbows if something is lost forever. For example: there was such an Er-2 aircraft. After all, not a single one is left ...
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 25 June 2016 13: 08
      +3
      Quote: wicked partisan
      Material history is an exhaustible resource. It must be stored, however hard it was. Then, after all, we will bite our elbows if something is lost forever. For example: there was such an Er-2 aircraft. After all, not a single one is left ...

      But do not you think: what is connected RL Bartini, trying to shut up?
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 25 June 2016 13: 35
        +1
        Quote: Amurets
        But do not you think: what is connected RL Bartini, trying to shut up?
        Come on. Beautiful films about Bartini are made. They regularly watch on TV.
  • kas1
    kas1 25 June 2016 11: 18
    +2
    It will be necessary, we will restore!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 26 June 2016 06: 42
      0
      Quote: kas1
      It will be necessary, we will restore!

      Now do not need it? smile For me, it was just like yesterday! am
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 25 June 2016 11: 22
    +4
    A great aviation power certainly should have an aviation museum.
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 25 June 2016 11: 33
    +10
    Well, finally! I, as a fan of aviation of the 2nd World War, am a little rummaging about this topic .. For example, I’ll inform you that American museums have more Soviet WWII planes than in our Monino (aviation museum near Moscow). Americans sponsor the raising of our aircraft from the swamps, restore them and take them ..
    1. Altona
      Altona 25 June 2016 11: 47
      +2
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Well, finally! I, as a fan of aviation of the 2nd World War, am a little rummaging about this topic .. For example, I’ll inform you that American museums have more Soviet WWII planes than in our Monino (aviation museum near Moscow). Americans sponsor the raising of our aircraft from the swamps, restore them and take them ..

      ------------------
      In Germany, too, there are many museums of all kinds of technology, including aircraft.
    2. poquello
      poquello 25 June 2016 11: 48
      0
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      ... the Americans sponsor the raising of our planes from the swamps, restore them and take them back ..

      hole in the law is obtained? need a legacy if not equal to the treasures, then move closer to the conditions, three identical ones got one, maybe they took
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 25 June 2016 12: 24
        +1
        There are akin to tomb raiders ... the scheme is very simple - there is an Amer buyer - there are diggers in Russia. A plane costs hundreds of thousands of bucks, or rather its remains. Finding it, let alone picking it up, is a big and costly affair. On YouTube, a bunch of videos about it, look hi
      2. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 25 June 2016 12: 24
        0
        There are akin to tomb raiders ... the scheme is very simple - there is an Amer buyer - there are diggers in Russia. A plane costs hundreds of thousands of bucks, or rather its remains. Finding it, let alone picking it up, is a big and costly affair. On YouTube, a bunch of videos about it, look hi
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 25 June 2016 11: 33
    +5
    set the task to develop a development concept

    Well, to set the development task, something like money is needed!
    and what will happen again - every week on ORT we look at the bribe taker .. sad
    And this is not even a project, but what will happen next is the intention to create a conservation society ..
    They would have looked at the former DOSAAF - the ruin.
    Although existing museums brought to mind. what
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 25 June 2016 11: 49
      +1
      Fans of aviation in Russia to hell! Private investment plus government support is a good start. I don’t know whether it’s time or not, but I like it
    2. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 25 June 2016 11: 49
      0
      Fans of aviation in Russia to hell! Private investment plus government support is a good start. I don’t know whether it’s time or not, but I like it
    3. Altona
      Altona 25 June 2016 11: 52
      +1
      Quote: Barracuda
      Well, to set the development task, something like money is needed!
      and what will happen again - every week on ORT we look at the bribe taker ..

      -------------------
      In museums, you can sell the corresponding paraphernalia, models and models of airplanes and other equipment, souvenirs, badges, T-shirts and caps on the subject, a remake and replicas of military uniforms and weapons for historical reconstructions. Give part of the proceeds of trade to the museum. All over the world this is done for self-sufficiency.
    4. poquello
      poquello 25 June 2016 12: 02
      0
      Quote: Barracuda
      Well, to set the development task, something like money is needed!

      if combined with the concept of tourism development, it can even come out in plus, well, in any case, less money will be eaten
    5. Bayonet
      Bayonet 26 June 2016 06: 47
      0
      Quote: Barracuda
      They would have looked at the former DOSAAF - the ruin.

      Rostov-on-Don. Railway area. Even the sign remained, and it would be better if they demolished it - they did not disgrace! am
      (click photo)
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 June 2016 11: 42
    +4
    Kozhugetovich somehow pulls to trust. Not seen behind a hollow concussion. And he likes to check how they follow instructions. Therefore, the aviation museum WILL. And publicly available, and very informative.
    1. firefighter
      firefighter 25 June 2016 16: 26
      +2
      He was a student in charge. Personally not familiar. According to friends. I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY Nasty WORD. My personal opinion Kuzhugetovich does not know how to lie and will never learn. Well done!
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 June 2016 11: 42
    +3
    "Some machines can be" put on the wing ", restored to flight condition

    In the West and the United States in particular, this has long been practiced. They even arrange aviation festivals of old equipment (and Soviet WWII aircraft), which flies well today. Therefore, I think that the initiative is very good.
  • Hundred
    Hundred 25 June 2016 11: 45
    +2
    Probably my biggest dream is to visit an air museum ... see live, La, cobra, Yak ... lucky for those who can just get in a car and take off on weekends. And to the museum in Kubinka ... There are happy people ...
    1. firefighter
      firefighter 25 June 2016 16: 20
      0
      Do not be discouraged, dear! I also gathered for a long time, found MYSELF excuses — expensive, far, family, health .... I gathered last September — emotions for several more years. Aviation is worth it!
  • Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 25 June 2016 11: 46
    +2
    For a good reason, this problem could be solved 10 years ago, if we constantly allocated one percent of the sums that our corrupt officials have welded with you and me.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 25 June 2016 11: 47
    +4
    I sincerely envy. And our MO has nothing to do with the Air Force Museum. A pity so many exhibits disappear.
    1. poquello
      poquello 25 June 2016 12: 05
      0
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      I sincerely envy. And our MO has nothing to do with the Air Force Museum. A pity so many exhibits disappear.

      but the place is, where to put it?
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 25 June 2016 12: 42
        +3
        Quote: poquello

        but the place is, where to put it?

        Is.
    2. Barakuda
      Barakuda 25 June 2016 12: 07
      +1
      In, ARROW - the first course for familiarization was .. We did not even study it in the 1s. They have a rampart in Russia, even workers.
      ask whom it is necessary - they will sell (but not their homeland). winked
    3. Alf
      Alf 25 June 2016 15: 09
      -2
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      And our MO has nothing to do with the Air Force Museum. A pity so many exhibits disappear.

      This is not an exhibit of the Air Force Museum, but its worst enemy. laughing
      1. Alf
        Alf 25 June 2016 16: 46
        0
        Quote: Alf
        This is not an exhibit of the Air Force Museum, but its worst enemy.

        And who of the big mind minus? Isn't Arrow the worst enemy of the Air Force?
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 26 June 2016 06: 56
          -1
          Quote: Alf
          And who of the big mind minus? Isn't Arrow the worst enemy of the Air Force?

          Oh trouble from them, minuscators, oh trouble!
    4. Turkestan
      Turkestan 25 June 2016 21: 42
      0
      Well, you are in vain. In Israel there is a GREAT AVIATION museum near Bersheva. In any case, I received great pleasure from visiting it. True, getting to it is difficult.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 25 June 2016 21: 47
        0
        Quote: Turkestan
        Well, you are in vain. In Israel there is a GREAT AVIATION museum near Bersheva. In any case, I received great pleasure from visiting it. True, getting to it is difficult.

        Yes there is, but as for Latrun, they do not give enough money for it.
  • svp67
    svp67 25 June 2016 12: 14
    +2
    Historical exhibits of the Museum of the Air Force of the Russian Federation will be restored

    Endorsed good good good
    “Some machines can be" put on the wing ", restored to flight condition. There are many enthusiasts in our country who are doing this professionally, "Shoigu said.
    . And this, stormy Approved good good good good good good good good good
  • 0255
    0255 25 June 2016 12: 24
    +3
    This should have been done yesterday. It is enough to compare the state of the aircraft in museums in the United States and in Monino.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 June 2016 12: 26
    0
    This is a very good and sound thought. I would also suggest creating a museum of all equipment in general, of course, in sections. And let’s say it’s not located in Moscow, it’s not crowded there anyway, but somewhere in the Urals or suppose different sections in different places. The country needs to be developed not only in large cities
  • -СтрР° РЅРЅРёРє-
    0
    This is a very good and sound thought. I would also suggest creating a museum of all equipment in general, of course, in sections. And let’s say it’s not located in Moscow, it’s not crowded there anyway, but somewhere in the Urals

    I wonder what kind of shisha, with our z.p. get??? request In my opinion, such museums are necessary in every regional and regional center! Even without "Burans" and TU-144 and other very rare and expensive exhibits. But the period from 1 to 2 WWII inclusive, even with full-scale copies or even a few flying remakes (for short demonstration performances - on weekends) can certainly be organized! And on other topics will not be superfluous! hi
  • firefighter
    firefighter 25 June 2016 16: 13
    +1
    Good news. Kuzhugetovich well done! The Monino Museum is a masterpiece. And there is nothing to look at abroad - they are (....) read M. Zadornova. I think the noise about the Tu-144 is inappropriate. There are much more interesting specimens, "weaving" for example. I do not want to offend anyone, but there is an impression that people who have not seen the museum write. The article is undoubtedly a plus.
  • sub307
    sub307 25 June 2016 18: 41
    +1
    An excellent idea, enthusiasts really are and there are opportunities to create the conditions for this work.
  • atamankko
    atamankko 25 June 2016 18: 49
    +2
    Thank God, the aviation museum will be, Shoigu can be trusted.
  • masiya
    masiya 25 June 2016 20: 26
    +1
    Is it really going to happen ... in fact, such a museum is not just necessary, it is vitally needed .., moreover, with precisely those functions that "Some machines can be" put on the wing ", restored to flight condition. There are many enthusiasts in our country who do this professionally, "Shoigu noted." But not some, but we must try as much as possible - this is the country's image, and the patriotism of youth education, and the history of aeronautics in general ... And where to have the most efficient copies only, not to give it to businessmen .... they will sell everything to hell ... state museums need to be. Yes, it is EXPENSIVE BUT FOR FUTURE PRICE NO ... !!!
  • iouris
    iouris 26 June 2016 00: 01
    0
    I think this decision will write the name of the Minister of Defense in history in golden letters.
  • Colorado beetle
    Colorado beetle 26 June 2016 00: 19
    0
    Last year there was a state depressing some exhibits in single copies, finally hands Shoigu S.K. got here too. Respect. I think the museum will be revived and I will show my son rare planes and snowmobiles.
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 26 June 2016 07: 12
    0
    For the plane to fly, the work of dozens of specialists is required - the engineering and aviation services, communications and radio-technical support, and, of course, the rear in all its diversity. There is also an interesting technique and it is necessary to save it for history. I didn’t have to visit the Mona Museum, but I know that APA-7, the first mobile power unit, is stored there. Is there something from ground equipment?
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 26 June 2016 09: 18
    +1
    Once in Moscow I went to the Monino Museum. To get to the museum, you have to go through the checkpoint of the military town (okay, I had documents with me), they let me in after a lot of questions with grunts like: "excursions only for organized groups." The exposition of the museum itself is frankly weak, but the aircraft fleet did not leave indifferent, although some copies clearly required restoration. I don't know how things are now.