Military Review

Nikolai Starikov "On the memorial plaque to Mannerheim and the bridge named after Akhmat Kadyrov."

259
Last week in St. Petersburg two events took place directly related not only to the past, but also to the future. After all история - this is not just a list of events that went back centuries, but also the most important element in educating the patriots of their country. From this point of view, I would like to talk about the memorial plaque to Karl Gustav Mannerheim and the appropriation of the bridge across the Dudergofsky Channel named after Akhmat Kadyrov.

Let's start with the most important thing: why do we need monuments? Why do we need historical memory? So that the young man can separate the truth from the lie, the hero from the traitor, the good for his country from the atrocities against it. Heroes should be sung along with their accomplishment, giving an example, showing the direction of thoughts and actions. And those actions and deeds that society and the state do not want to see in the future should in no way be chanted and embodied in monuments and memorable names. It would seem - everything is very simple. But in the life of such simplicity and clarity, we still have not been able to achieve.

Why? Yes, because when making a decision “to call - not to call”, “to establish - not to establish”, the criteria have not yet been worked out.

Let's try to help in the development of such criteria. After all, neither the first nor the last monument can cause a sharp public debate and even bewilderment in a significant part of our society. Therefore, for the future we must simply develop the position of the state and society in such matters.

So, the criteria. In my opinion, they should be as follows:

.... From the side of the person whose name is planned to perpetuate the feat in the history of our country should be accomplished, an indisputable and significant contribution to the development (preservation) of our country has been made;
.... On the part of the person whose name is planned to be immortalized, during the course of his life, either actions that can be evaluated as a struggle against Russia or his feat must be accomplished after this “dark” episode of his biography, after his sincere transition to the side of Russia.
The political history of our country is full of complex events, but, guided by these criteria, we will be able to understand them and make the right conclusion - whether or not to install a monument (assign a name).

And now we return to the two events that have occurred and try to evaluate them.

Finland:

Nikolai Starikov "On the memorial plaque to Mannerheim and the bridge named after Akhmat Kadyrov."


.... Event One

A memorial plaque was installed on the building of the Military Engineering and Technical University with the name of General of the Russian Army, and later - Marshal and President of Finland Carl Gustav Mannerheim.

We ask ourselves the question: what is the feat (contribution) of Mannerheim in the history of our country? Being an ethnic Swede and a native of Finland, he was a general of the Russian army and faithfully served his Fatherland, as the commemorative plaque informs us. It says so: “Lieutenant-General of the Russian army, served: 1887 – 1918”. At the same time, it is impossible to say that during this period they committed some absolutely outstanding acts to the glory of Russia. Mannerheim was “one of”. But what happened after 1918 year deserves much more attention than to just leave it “beyond the table”.

During the collapse of our state, Mannerheim chose the easiest way - he did not try to fight for the restoration of “Russia that we lost”, but became one of the main creators of the independent Finnish state, which received this very independence from the hands of V.I. Lenin. But if Mannerheim’s behavior during the Civil War, both in Russia and in Finland, is difficult to assess because of the complexity of the very situation of civil fratricidal conflict, then his activity as the head of Finland in a later period does not cause any doubts.

Former Russian general Karl Gustav Mannerheim fought with Russia, led the separatist branch of the Russian Empire from Russia, and assisted the worst enemy of our Motherland in its entire history - Adolf Hitler.

Thus, Mannerheim committed deeds to the glory of Russia at the beginning of his life’s journey, and then became the enemy of our state. For those who forgot - the Finnish army during World War II was one of the parts of the death ring with which the Nazis strangled Leningrad. It is impossible to separate Hitler’s guilt from Mannerheim’s guilt in the deaths of hundreds of thousands (more than a million!) Of Leningrad, although, of course, the lion’s share of the blame for the tragedy lies with the Fuhrer of the Third Reich. But the Third Reich had allies and the army of one of them was led by Carl Gustav Mannerheim. In my family, the blockade took the lives of many families. My maternal grandmother lost her one-year-old daughter, and my father, being a year old, lost her mother — my second grandmother, whom my father “thanks” to Mannerheim and Hitler had never seen. This is not my family has forgotten. This was not forgotten by the other inhabitants of Leningrad, which today is called as it was called during the times of the imperial military youth of Mannerheim. Perhaps, as they want to explain to us today, Mannerheim was also a “noble adversary,” but this does not cancel the fact of his alliance with Nazi Germany. (By the way, I would like to remind you that in the besieged Leningrad, the brother of our president, VV Putin, died and his mother almost died).

Is it possible and necessary to install a memorial plaque to Mannerheim? Definitely not. All of his ministry to Russia was crossed out by his ministry to the enemies of Russia and participation in the war against our country. In the very war that today is justly called the Great Patriotic War. Mannerheim’s memorial plaque is not needed in Russia. The desire to like Finland, to please the “white” part of the Russian patriotic spectrum in this case is absolutely inappropriate. But it is already hanging, what to do? Immediately do nothing. And then the memorial plaque to Mannerheim can be moved to the internal “places” of the Military Engineering and Technical University, and then, when the passions subside, they are “quietly” dismantled.

Otherwise, in the same logic, it is necessary to establish a memorial plaque to General Vlasov in Moscow, because, being a loyal Stalinist general, he defended the capital from the fascists. Until he went to their service. This fact can be forgotten, as its alliance with the enemies of Russia and its two wars with it were forgotten on the memorial board of Mannerheim. So, the monuments of “Vlasov”, “red”, “skin” should not be on Russian soil, precisely because of their service to the worst enemies of our state, which completely devalued all their past services to Russia.

Terrible:



... Event Two

The government of St. Petersburg has decided to assign the bridge across the Duderhof Canal in Krasnoselsky District named after Hero of Russia Akhmat Kadyrov.

Again, we use our criteria. I expressed my attitude towards the assignment of the bridge named after Akhmat Kadyrov on the day when news appeared on news feeds. Apply the evaluation criteria, which we talked about above, to this situation. And we will see a situation in which, during the regular turmoil in our country, Akhmat Kadyrov was on the side of her enemies. But he found the courage to realize the death of this path for the Chechen people and to begin actions to end the war in Chechnya. It was much easier to continue to “fight”, and then “heroically” flee to London and from there condemn the “bloody regime”. Akhmat Kadyrov chose the path of struggle for the future of Russia, realizing that this path is dangerous. He paid with his life for his choice. But his son, Ramzan Akhmatovich Kadyrov, and the entire Chechen people, with the exception of a few renegades, continued his business.

What Akhmat Kadyrov did was a feat. How many human lives he helped save, along with V.V. Putin did everything to stop the death of Chechen civilians, her men, misguided by propaganda and taken in their hands weapon, soldiers and policemen from the rest of Russia.

But that is not all

My attitude to the assignment of one of the bridges in the city named after Akhmat Kadyrov is also made up of the following postulates. First, Saint-Petersburg - is the imperial capital. It was from here that Russia stepped into imperial greatness — gained such influence in the world that none of the guns fired at Europe without our knowledge. And the empire is a symphony of the peoples that enter it. This is a huge precious mosaic of peoples and nationalities in which everyone is equal to each other and all serve. The Russian Empire was built as a state in which people of any small people could make their contribution to the development of the state. Only with us, troops on Borodino’s field could command ethnic Georgian Bagration to give their lives for Russia and forever become its hero. It is in St. Petersburg that the perpetuation of any hero of the Empire is most appropriate.

Second, Akhmad Kadyrov - the Hero of Russia. In any place of the country, the name of her Hero is a matter of pride. A hero of any nationality can and should be an example to follow in any part of a great state. The feat of the Hero of Russia is not tied to the place of his birth - after all, life was given for the whole country. Therefore, the name of a hero of any nationality in Russia is appropriate, even if he was born in another region. There can be no “not our” heroes - they are all ours, we are proud of them all. Only in this way can we preserve the great multinational Russian civilization.

Third. Akhmat Kadyrov stopped the war in Chechnya and paid for it with his life. Thanks to his courage, young citizens, including draftees and law enforcement officers from St. Petersburg, stopped dying in this war.

And finally, the fourth: once the poet Brodsky was asked how he relates to collective farms. To which he asked: how does Yevtushenko relate to them? They said to him: “Yevtushenko spoke out against the collective farms.” “If so, then I am for it,” answered Joseph Brodsky. I propose to see who organized the attempts to prevent the appropriation of the St. Petersburg Bridge named after Akhmat Kadyrov. These are representatives of Yabloko, Parnas, Party of Growth and other anti-state liberal parties and organizations. These are the same persons and groups that opposed the restoration of the unity of Russia and the Crimea. Those who are ready to give the country at the mercy of the West and transfer the Crimea as if it were a bag of potatoes, and not 2 million of our fellow citizens.

Looking at all these “democratic” personalities, knowing what they said and did before, what they are, it’s not difficult to answer the question: “Can the name of Hero of Russia Akhmat Kadyrov be assigned to the bridge in St. Petersburg?” . Definitely, yes.

Without even thinking about all the above arguments.

If all such figures are “against”, then I am “for”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKBg0OXl6rI
Author:
Originator:
https://nstarikov.ru/blog/67257
259 comments
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, daily additional materials that do not get on the site: https://t.me/topwar_ru

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Engineer
    Engineer 21 June 2016 15: 07
    +17
    One by one, Starikov repeated the words of Dmitry Yuryevich Puchkov.
    1. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall 21 June 2016 15: 20
      +27
      And you do not admit that they have the same positions? Well, but essentially what has been said there are questions?

      1. Engineer
        Engineer 21 June 2016 15: 36
        -9
        Quote: tiredwithall
        And you do not admit that they have the same positions? Well, but essentially what has been said there are questions?


        I admit, but this article appeared clearly in a hurry, it was not the fruit of his thoughts and feelings, but the transfer of strangers into his article as an answer to the topic that is relevant and popular now, so to speak, to be in trend. This is ugly for such a person as Old Man - the author of so many books.
        1. tiredwithall
          tiredwithall 21 June 2016 15: 42
          -1
          Well, urgently expressed his position. And he will write a book later if he becomes less involved in politics.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 21 June 2016 17: 08
            +11
            Well done Nikolai Starikov! I fully approve his point of view!
            He really correctly put forward OBJECTIVE CRITERIA Estimates for the erection of monuments and renaming of streets in honor of historical figures in Russia!
            These are the criteria that truly national leaders and officials in power in Russia must adhere to!
            1. Mahmut
              Mahmut 21 June 2016 17: 47
              .
              .. the monuments “Vlasov”, “Krasnov”, “skin” should not be on Russian soil, precisely because of their service to the worst enemies of our state, this is a criterion

              But following this criterion, is it possible to erect monuments to Lenin, Sverdlov, Bela Kunam and Uritsky - the executioners of the Russian people. Indeed, while Mannerheim was killing red terrorists in Finland, hunger was raging at the same time in Petrograd. And this hunger was caused by a food blockade by the Bolsheviks. People were forbidden to leave the city. For violation of death. For an attempt to carry products to Petrograd - execution. Food monopoly as a way of enslaving the population - the invention of Lenin's grandfather. And the fact that Lenin received 10 million marks returned to the Germans 7 billion gold rubles and the territory of modern Ukraine in addition. What is it if not speaking on the side of the enemy of our state. And what, Nikolai Starikov did not know this, about the role of New York bankers and Japanese intelligence, financing the revolutionary movement in Russia. Or Starikov knew, but did not know the dropout who decided to hide behind his name.
              1. your1970
                your1970 21 June 2016 18: 03
                +12
                During a summit on security in Finland, former Minister of Defense of Sweden Karin Enström criticized the decision of Finnish President Sauli Niinistö to invite Russian President Vladimir Putin to Finland in July, Yle reports. “For us in Sweden, this invitation seems hard to explain,” she said. To which the Finnish president replied that the former minister was "slightly behind the times." “The dialogue with Russia must be continued,” the president added.
                Earlier, he expressed confidence that the issue of a country's possible entry into NATO should be resolved at a popular referendum. At the same time, he noted that it is in the interests of Helsinki to develop relations not only with the United States, but also with Russia. “We maintain as good relations with our big neighbor as possible in these conditions,” the president explained.
                1. Vladimir 1964
                  Vladimir 1964 21 June 2016 19: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: your1970
                  During a summit on security in Finland, former Minister of Defense of Sweden Karin Enström criticized the decision of Finnish President Sauli Niinistö to invite Russian President Vladimir Putin to Finland in July, Yle reports. “For us in Sweden, this invitation seems hard to explain,” she said. To which the Finnish president replied that the former minister was "slightly behind the times." “The dialogue with Russia must be continued,” the president added.
                  Earlier, he expressed confidence that the issue of a country's possible entry into NATO should be resolved at a popular referendum. At the same time, he noted that it is in the interests of Helsinki to develop relations not only with the United States, but also with Russia. “We maintain as good relations with our big neighbor as possible in these conditions,” the president explained.

                  Sergey, a colleague, competently and interestingly, quite topically, plus I’m sure to put it to you. But excuse me what your comment has to do with the article. request Although, I repeat, the comment is competent and interesting. hi
                  1. reservist
                    reservist 21 June 2016 19: 46
                    +2
                    Quote: Vladimir 1964
                    what does your comment have to do with the article.

                    I apologize for getting in ...
                    Quote: your1970
                    Swedish Defense Minister Karin Enström criticized security summit in Finland decision of the Finnish president Sauli Niinistö to invite Russian President Vladimir Putin to Finland in Julyreports Yle. “For us in Sweden, this invitation seems hard to explain,” she said. For what President of Finland replied that the former minister was "slightly behind the times." "The dialogue with Russia must be continued,"- the president added.

                    but maybe it’s necessary to "make a reciprocal curtsy" to the Finns ...
                    only now the reason was chosen to put it mildly far from the most successful ...
                    1. Vladimir 1964
                      Vladimir 1964 21 June 2016 20: 57
                      +1
                      Quote: reservist
                      but maybe it’s necessary to "make a reciprocal curtsy" to the Finns ...
                      only now the reason was chosen to put it mildly far from the most successful ...

                      Maybe you’re right, colleague, it’s hard for me to judge. But of course there is logic in your comment. hi
                    2. your1970
                      your1970 21 June 2016 21: 24
                      +2
                      this is a direct message to the Finns - "WE are not rested against the wall with our foreheads, we do not necessarily" Bang "(well, only if they really, really ... get it),we can discuss very controversial and complex issues, we can negotiate. "
                      The Finns understood the message and right there - "the former minister" is slightly behind the times "!!!"

                      We must look ahead - if the Finns are in NATO, and the missile defense in Finland - 1) our northern direction becomes more open, 2) missiles aimed at the United States become more vulnerable, 3) SPB in general under the cap, 4) BF and SF under the cap, 5) Moscow is getting closer to the time of rocket arrival ....
                      And this is offhand minimally, since I don’t own all repeat completeness of information. And there may still be a wagon of all sorts of dirty tricks ...

                      To the question of the dead - PATRIOT I.V. Stalin did not become !!! demand the death of Mannerheim (although technically it was not difficult for a 1945 spacecraft), he began to be friends with the Finns actively. Regarding the patriotism of the IVS, let someone from the current PATRIOTS (including URA) add at least a couple of hundred hectares of land to the Russian Federation, for starters ... I’m silent about half of Europe ...

                      Yes, it is unpleasant and painful, but apparently it is necessary and there were no less painful ways - politics is generally a very dirty business .. By the way, the reaction of the Finns turned out to be instant - literally 3 days ...

                      Z.Y. I feel - now the tantrum will be ...
                      1. mostov70
                        mostov70 23 June 2016 21: 45
                        -1
                        Why hysteria. Just continue the chain. Stalin did not touch the Japanese emperor, perhaps because the Japanese did not open the Far Eastern front. And if they curtsy the Kuril Islands, then the relationship will definitely trample. Although in the light of recent events I will not be surprised, maybe this is already planned.
                    3. Dmitriy66
                      Dmitriy66 22 June 2016 10: 48
                      -1
                      Quote: reservist
                      Quote: Vladimir 1964
                      what does your comment have to do with the article.

                      I apologize for getting in ...
                      Quote: your1970
                      Swedish Defense Minister Karin Enström criticized security summit in Finland decision of the Finnish president Sauli Niinistö to invite Russian President Vladimir Putin to Finland in Julyreports Yle. “For us in Sweden, this invitation seems hard to explain,” she said. For what President of Finland replied that the former minister was "slightly behind the times." "The dialogue with Russia must be continued,"- the president added.

                      but maybe it’s necessary to "make a reciprocal curtsy" to the Finns ...
                      only now the reason was chosen to put it mildly far from the most successful ...

                      do not apologize ----- THERE IS, other explanations are not visible on the surface.
                    4. mostov70
                      mostov70 23 June 2016 21: 40
                      0
                      And before the Germans what curtsy do? to whom to hang a board .. Only they think they themselves will be against it.
                2. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 22 June 2016 23: 02
                  +5
                  Quote: your1970
                  “The dialogue with Russia must be continued,” the president added.

                  And he specified why - to explain to Russia that it was not right.
                  I think, why should we generally have such a dialogue, where we will be "taught"?
                  So I agree with the Swedish minister that what for we go there.
                  A dialogue must continue, yes. So it’s better they are to us. They themselves began a conflict, let them finish it themselves.
              2. Tatyana
                Tatyana 21 June 2016 18: 57
                +8
                Mahmoud
                But following this criterion, is it possible to erect monuments to Lenin, Sverdlov, Bela Kunam and Uritsky - the executioners of the Russian people?
                Indeed, while Mannerheim was killing red terrorists in Finland, hunger was raging at the same time in Petrograd. And this hunger was caused by a food blockade by the Bolsheviks.

                1. The fact of the matter is that the criteria of N and Starikov are logical in themselves and are absolutely correct from the point of view of maintaining national security. Moreover, he is really the first to formulate them. This is the merit of Starikov.
                2. As for the individuals you mentioned, then you need to deal separately with each and as a whole with the entire Social Democratic fraternity of that period. Many were removed back to the revolution. Many of them were "cleaned" by Stalin, otherwise the Second World War of the USSR simply would not have won.
                But Lenin staged a famine as much as an English agent and Kerensky hired. Lenin was in the tail of the intelligence services of Great Britain and the United States, with France in the "bundle" with Kerensky, like Yeltsin after Gorbachev. Old people on the shelves writes about it. Cm.
                1. Starikov Nikolay. 1917. The answer to the “Russian” revolution. - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. -416 with
                2. Starikov Nikolay. Who is financing the collapse of Russia? From the Decembrists to the Mujahideen. - SPb .: Peter, 2016. - 288 sec.
                The October Revolution is not so simple.
                In my opinion, there is no need now for a special provocative wave with the establishment and pogroms of political monuments and toponymic renaming to tease the people and shake the situation in Russia to the "Russian Maidan". And someone does it on purpose.
                1. Vladimir 1964
                  Vladimir 1964 21 June 2016 21: 05
                  +3
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  But Lenin staged a famine as much as an English agent and Kerensky hired. Lenin at the intelligence services of Great Britain and the USA with France was in their tail "in conjunction" with Kerensky

                  Tatyana, well, with all due respect, and I really do give credit to your comments, you do not take into account that by the time of the "prodrazvestka", Kerensky could not even hypothetically participate in economic affairs. Tatyana, how the years do not fit into reality, after 1918 Kerensky ....?
                  Regards, colleague nonetheless. hi
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 21 June 2016 21: 57
                    +2
                    Vladimir
                    Tatiana, .... You do not take into account that by the time of the "prodrazvestka", Kerensky could not even hypothetically participate in economic affairs.

                    You are saying everything correctly, but the point is different.
                    The fact is that it was Kerensky who, after the February Revolution, did everything to destroy not only the army, the navy, and stop the defense factories, but also destroyed the railway troops, bringing chaos to the railway transportation in the country. And this led to the rupture of economic ties between industries and regions - and, accordingly, to the onset of food problems and "hunger" in cities. And Lenin was already dealing with the investigation of everything that the British and American agent Kerensky had done.
                    At Starikov, all this is well described. Cm.:
                    1. Starikov Nikolay. 1917. The answer to the “Russian” revolution. - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. -416 with
                    2. Starikov Nikolay. Who is financing the collapse of Russia? From the Decembrists to the Mujahideen. - SPb .: Peter, 2016. - 288 sec.
                    1. Vladimir 1964
                      Vladimir 1964 21 June 2016 22: 28
                      +4
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      You are saying everything correctly, but the point is different.
                      The fact is that it was Kerensky who, after the February Revolution, did everything to destroy not only the army, the navy, and stop the defense factories, but also destroyed the railway troops, bringing chaos to the railway transportation in the country. And this led to the rupture of economic ties between industries and regions - and, accordingly, to the onset of food problems and "hunger" in cities. And Lenin was already dealing with the investigation of everything that the British and American agent Kerensky had done.

                      Tanya, you cause me more and more respect with your assertiveness and determination. (The minus is naturally not mine, believe me I have never set minuses for the last three years), but again I can’t agree with you, if only because Kerensky could not destroy the railway troops, since those created by order of the emperor Nicholas, if I am not mistaken in 1881, they were exclusively technical functions, that is, an analogue of today's Russian Railways, and according to historical reports they actually functioned until 1919. There are preserved reports on the sale of tickets to Nice for 1920.
                      Sincerely. yes
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 22 June 2016 01: 46
                        +2
                        Vladimir 1964
                        Kerensky could not destroy the railroad troops, since created by order of Emperor Nicholas, if I am not mistaken in 1881, they were exclusively technical functions, that is, an analogue of today's Russian Railways, and according to historical reports, actually functioned until 1919.

                        It is Kerensky with his Order No. 1.1. ruined discipline in the army, navy and railway troops. It was Kerensky who abolished the police and announced the creation of a popular militia, which, in fact, had not been fully created and at the same time released criminals and terrorists of all stripes. Abolished local government bodies, replacing them with advice. Etc.
                        The railway connection itself, of course, was not canceled, only lawlessness began in the country. And railway is the most comfortable place for robberies. There was a complete mess on the train schedule, robberies of passengers and theft of goods. Railway was not responsible for the safety of goods. Well, and who will conduct business in such conditions ?! Trade in the country began to curtail, and with it began to curtail, go bankrupt and close production throughout the country. Deliveries between the city and the village were disrupted. And this is in just 8 months of the rule of the Provisional Government and Kerensky. Despite the fact that Russia is at war with Germany. There is nothing to be surprised at! In the end, it came to civil war. But it all began with the abdication of Nicholas 2 and the reign of Kerensky. The Bolsheviks came to power in 1917 and soon they had to collect the state by dictatorship. 1919 is not equal to 1917.
                    2. your1970
                      your1970 21 June 2016 23: 04
                      +5
                      "what exactly Kerensky after February Revolution "- and before the February Revolution, Father Tsar and his relatives did not put a pen to the collapse ??
                      Like there are women in queues for bread, war is useless to anyone, Matildochka Kshesinskaya (as a standard of theft for supplies to the army under the pretext of great and pure love for her), Rasputin, juggling with governments, etc. "little things" of the king ???

                      Z. I read Starikov, a lot - but I did not like EVERYTHING .... historical fiction of an average level of reliability.
                    3. Makarov
                      Makarov 22 June 2016 02: 07
                      0
                      Obviously, you did not read it carefully, Starikov's explanation of what caused the hunger. In his words, this catastrophe consisted in the fact that Soviet Russia had to pay in grain for technology in the course of the country's industrialization. This was the only trading opportunity. All the rest of the currency, including gold, by our "partners" was under "sanctions" ...
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 23 June 2016 00: 36
                        -1
                        Makarov
                        ............

                        We are talking about the period of the Provisional Government. At that time, no settlements with foreign countries were carried out. There were products in the country, only deliveries began with interruptions and speculation. They stole, robbed - a complete chaos. Who will work in such conditions? And if the economy has stopped, they will eat up the leftovers - and at one "wonderful" moment everything will really be spent and end.
                      2. sherp2015
                        sherp2015 23 June 2016 07: 41
                        -1
                        Quote: Makarov
                        Obviously you read it inattentively, Starikov’s explanation of what caused hunger.

                        And Starikoff is, of course, the ultimate truth
                  2. sherp2015
                    sherp2015 23 June 2016 07: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: Vladimir 1964

                    Tatyana, well, with all due respect, and I really do give credit to your comments, you do not take into account that by the time of the "prodrazvestka", Kerensky could not even hypothetically participate in economic affairs. Tatyana, how the years do not fit into reality, after 1918 Kerensky ....?

                    )))))))))) !!!! Without words !
                    But then there is the Old Man ... This is the "value"))))))))))))
                2. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 21 June 2016 21: 34
                  -3
                  Mahmoud
                  But following this criterion, is it possible to erect monuments to Lenin, Sverdlov, Bela Kunam and Uritsky - the executioners of the Russian people. Indeed, while Mannerheim was killing red terrorists in Finland, hunger was raging at the same time in Petrograd.

                  As for the connection between Mannerheim and Lenin, with Manneheim, not everything is so "clean" either.
                  First, Mannerheim left the army with a monthly pension of 3000 rubles, on which Lenin insisted and which the Soviet government appointed him. 3000 rubles / month is VERY decent money! And why is it that such a generosity of the Soviet government in a devastated country? and where did the money for such a “pension" Mannerheim come from? Or maybe again the foreign "sponsors" of the Russian revolutionaries have fussed? It seems that way.
                  The fact is that the revolutionary collapse in Europe was planned by the British and American special services with financial payment by the Rothschilds and US bankers only in the Republic of Ingushetia and Germany, and also in Austria-Hungary it turned out to drop the monarchy. It is noteworthy that when Mannerheim went from Soviet Russia to Finland, the separatist Finland already officially separated from the Republic of Ingushetia and gained state independence - and the further revolution in it was no longer needed by foreign “customers” and “sponsors”. In other words, if foreign “sponsors” still needed red revolutionaries in Russia to continue the defeat of the country and receive dividends, then Finland is no longer there, but quite the opposite. Therefore, Mannerheim was redirected by foreign “sponsors” by Lenin’s consent to Finland with a pension from the Soviet government in his hands and there he defeated the “reds” on the side of the “whites” for “retiring” from the country of the Soviets.
                  It would seem, why did the fighters for the world proletarian revolution need to let Mannerheim live with his "pension" to Finland? So that he would kill the "Reds" there? But they were released and allowed to leave!
                  1. owl
                    owl 21 June 2016 21: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    As for the connection between Mannerheim and Lenin ...

                    Good evening Tatyana. An extremely interesting version, could you please help me with links to sources on major events or booklets?
                    1. The comment was deleted.
                    2. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 21 June 2016 22: 40
                      -2
                      owl
                      Good evening Tatyana. An extremely interesting version, could you please help me with links to sources on major events or booklets?

                      Good evening, Eugene!
                      I recommend scientifically sound, i.e. internally logically consistent work specifically dedicated to this topic:
                      1. Starikov Nikolay. Geopolitics. How is this done .- SPb .: Peter, 2016. -368 with
                      2. Starikov Nikolay. 1917. The answer to the “Russian” revolution. - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. -416 with
                      3. Starikov Nikolay. Who made Hitler attack Stalin. Hitler's fatal mistake .-- St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. -368 sec
                      4. Starikov Nikolay. Who is financing the collapse of Russia? From the Decembrists to the Mujahideen. - SPb .: Peter, 2016. - 288 sec.

                      I base my hypothesis-assumption on Mannerheim on the works of Starikov, Sergey Ivanov’s speech on the opening of the Mannerheim memorial plaque in St. Petersburg, as well as on my own analytics of m / l theory, which I studied at the university and graduate school.
                      1. Amurets
                        Amurets 22 June 2016 01: 47
                        +4
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        I base my hypothesis-assumption on Mannerheim on the works of Starikov, Sergey Ivanov’s speech on the opening of the Mannerheim memorial plaque in St. Petersburg, as well as on my own analytics of m / l theory, which I studied at the university and graduate school.

                        You studied poorly! There is a strict rule: "NEVER TRUST ONE SOURCE. AND NEVER TRUST ONE PERSON. MAY BE MISTAKES. I agree with the selection criteria to whom it is possible and necessary to erect monuments, I agree. But I do not agree on railway transport. And ticket sales in Nice is not a criterion. There are excellent memoirs of Virolainen "Green Street". This Finn went from a locksmith's apprentice to the chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Karelo-Finnish SSR in Russia. Caste, class, social inequality, these are the reasons for the disorganization of railway transport. This is all in his book. By the way, he himself was a train driver who went to get food for St. Petersburg deep into Russia. And the reasons for the collapse of the railway transport during the revolution and the Civil War are described in him. Here I believe about the devastation on the railway.
                      2. sherp2015
                        sherp2015 23 June 2016 07: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        1. Starikov Nikolay. Geopolitics. How is this done .- SPb .: Peter, 2016. -368 with
                        2. Starikov Nikolay. 1917. The answer to the “Russian” revolution. - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. -416 with
                        3. Starikov Nikolay. Who made Hitler attack Stalin. Hitler's fatal mistake .-- St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. -368 sec
                        4. Starikov Nikolay. Who is financing the collapse of Russia? From the Decembrists to the Mujahideen. - SPb .: Peter, 2016. - 288 sec.


                        And besides the old man from St. Petersburg, we certainly have no more literate people
              3. Dart2027
                Dart2027 21 June 2016 19: 03
                -1
                Quote: Mahmut
                And what, Nikolai Starikov did not know this, about the role of New York bankers and Japanese intelligence, financing the revolutionary movement in Russia

                He knows about this very well and he reacts negatively to the revolutionaries who destroyed RI.
              4. dmi.pris
                dmi.pris 21 June 2016 19: 21
                +9
                I want to give an example of another general of the Russian imperial army, Anton Denikin. He honestly served the tsar and the Fatherland, made his choice, fought against the Bolsheviks. This is his business, he is right or not .. But a hard year came for the Motherland, and he refused to cooperate with Hitlerites (Krasnov and Mannerheim served the demoniac as mongrels). And he said NO. Well done that they brought his ashes to their homeland, although I don’t know about any memorial tablet about him. Although I think he deserved it.
                1. reservist
                  reservist 21 June 2016 19: 55
                  +7
                  On October 3, 2005, the remains of Ivan Alexandrovich Denikin and his wife were reburied in the Donskoy Monastery.
                2. 2ez
                  2ez 22 June 2016 11: 08
                  +2
                  There was also Prince Yusupov, who even refused the Shah diamond, the Germans offered to return it to the prince for his consent to cooperation ... As for Mannerheim and references to other traitors, the same Vlasov was in favor with Stalin, and, let's be honest , it was because of what. It was his division near Kiev that held the defense for two months, and began to withdraw only under the threat of complete encirclement, and withdrew with battles, shackling the German tank wedges. And near Moscow his troops showed examples of courage and heroism. As a commander, Vlasov at this time showed himself only from the strong side. But he turned out to be of a rotten nature, he valued life higher than honor ... The verdict is a gallows! And this despite the fact that in honor of the Great Victory in the USSR the death penalty was abolished! The verdict to Vlasov and other traitors to the Motherland says so - EXCLUSIVE punishment ... By the way, it is because of the amnesty that many OUN members of Bandera survived, and are now talking about the "terrible" Stalinist camps. It was these who were exiled to Kolyma, ordinary former Soviet prisoners of war were NEVER there (as well as the Germans-Hungarians-Austrians, etc. Europe) ...
              5. DPN
                DPN 21 June 2016 21: 40
                +1
                Strange how did you manage to survive? it was difficult under the Soviet regime to study at school, and possibly a university, for free.
              6. sherp2015
                sherp2015 23 June 2016 07: 28
                0
                Quote: Mahmut
                Is it possible to erect monuments to Lenin, Sverdlov, Bela Kunam and Uritsky - the executioners of the Russian people. Indeed, while Mannerheim was killing red terrorists in Finland, hunger was raging at the same time in Petrograd. And this hunger was caused by a food blockade by the Bolsheviks. People were forbidden to leave the city. For violation of death. For an attempt to carry products to Petrograd - execution. Food monopoly as a way of enslaving the population - the invention of Lenin's grandfather. And the fact that Lenin received 10 million marks returned to the Germans 7 billion gold rubles and the territory of modern Ukraine in addition. What is it if not speaking on the side of the enemy of our state. And what, Nikolai Starikov did not know this, about the role of New York bankers and Japanese intelligence, financing the revolutionary movement in Russia. Or Starikov knew, but did not know the dropout who decided to hide behind his name.

                +++ Mahmut!
              7. azkolt
                azkolt 23 June 2016 09: 20
                +1
                In vain you are trying to prove something to them, they will spit it out! Their head is capable of thinking only with the stereotypes laid down by the Soviet authorities about the good grandfather of Lenin! True, ask them about the role of the hero of the revolution of Trotsky, all kinds of Dybenkov, Zemlyachek, Bela Kunov will mumble something awkward!
              8. Dioxsin
                Dioxsin 1 July 2016 13: 41
                0
                And what, somewhere they erect new monuments to the persons you named. We are talking about new monuments, but we must deal with the old ones (clean, do not clean, move) separately.
            2. Oorfene Deuce
              Oorfene Deuce 21 June 2016 18: 42
              +5
              Quote: Tatiana
              Well done Nikolai Starikov! I fully approve his point of view!
              He really correctly put forward OBJECTIVE evaluation criteria for the establishment of monuments and for renaming streets in honor of historical figures in Russia!

              Why, for example, do not call the bridge in Grozny the name of Lev Rokhlin? What do you think?
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 21 June 2016 23: 05
                +1
                Oorfene Deuce
                Why, for example, do not call the bridge in Grozny the name of Lev Rokhlin? What do you think?

                Oh, Roman-Roman! It is necessary to desire real things.
                I respect Lev Rokhlin very much! I saw his performance at the university a month before his death. I also thought then that he would be killed. And she thought at the same time: “How happy a woman should be, having such a Heroic husband!” He is a grandfather, sincerely loved his Motherland and his people, he was a true patriot of his Motherland to the bone! He was a professionally cool general, valued and protected the lives of his soldiers and officers.
              2. IRBIS
                IRBIS 22 June 2016 15: 08
                -2
                And what is Lev Rokhlin famous for, besides his desire to roll into the Kremlin on a muddy wave?
                1. The comment was deleted.
                2. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 22 June 2016 21: 33
                  0
                  IRBIS
                  And what is Lev Rokhlin famous for, besides his desire to roll into the Kremlin on a muddy wave?
                  Alexander! You ask a tactless question! You would ask about Leo Rokhlin on the Internet. than asking in this form.
                  Here is a video about Lev Rokhlin specifically for you

                  See "Confessions of General Rokhlin". Upload date: 26 Jun. 2012 r.

                  The main part of the film is an interview with Rokhlin "uncut" about the entrance to Chechnya and the storming of Grozny
            3. yehat
              yehat 22 June 2016 15: 43
              0
              but about the heroism of Kadyrov and Putin in Chechnya, I am not convinced
              Well nifiga this is not obvious.
              yes, they resolved the conflict, but how? Some soldiers still believe that they were betrayed.
              Chechnya fell a hard stone on the budget of the Russian Federation.
              here heroism is not visible to me, like so many.
              and the conclusion follows from here - people do not see expediency in the name of the bridge.
              I will say even more. Choose any region on the territory of the RSFSR that is comparable in population to Chechnya and give it funding for Chechnya. There are heroes, how mushrooms will begin to grow!
              I am a supporter of the anti-aircraft defense party, and respect Starikov, however, the arguments presented in the article seem to me rather weak.
          2. 123_123
            123_123 21 June 2016 20: 20
            +1
            “Is it possible and necessary to give the bridge in St. Petersburg the name of Hero of Russia Akhmat Kadyrov?” Definitely not. overthrown terrorist - he is a terrorist who has rushed over for his own benefit.

            Basayev and Kadyrov - two boots of a pair: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOQZCnbPMWA
            1. IRBIS
              IRBIS 22 June 2016 15: 14
              -1
              Akhmad Kadyrov - Hero of Russia. If it weren’t for him, then until now our columns in the Chechen gorges would have stood in cancer. Taking off all the questions, I’ll say right away that I myself was there. And not once, and not in the rear units. That is why I know well, and with what I write.
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 21 June 2016 15: 48
          .
          Quote: Engineer
          This is not beautiful for such a person as Old Men - the author of so many books.

          Starikov’s books are ordinary fiction, consumer goods. Historians call his little books ordinary art junk.
          1. Temples
            Temples 21 June 2016 16: 04
            +17
            What are the historians?
            How do the "historians" get in the way of Starikov's books?
            Or does any human thinking hinder the "historians"?
            All that does not fit into the history textbook memorized by these scientists (or rather, specially trained) is junk art?
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 21 June 2016 16: 26
              -5
              Quote: Temples
              How do the "historians" get in the way of Starikov's books?

              At least by the fact that Starikov does not know at all in history, he is an economist by education, and works as a commercial director on St. Petersburg television.
              1. Temples
                Temples 21 June 2016 16: 29
                +5
                Not a single intelligible argument.
                Did you read his books yourself?
                What is your statement "not drives in history".
                What is yours "drives in history"????
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 21 June 2016 16: 44
                  -2
                  Quote: Temples
                  Not a single intelligible argument.

                  He writes pseudo-historical books.
                  Quote: Temples
                  Did you read his books yourself?

                  There was a case, started-threw
                  Quote: Temples

                  What your statement is based on "does not know history".

                  Based on the fact that he writes about well-known facts with some clichés and references to "conspiracy theory", or anything new so from empty to empty. There is no historical work done, only empty speculations and speculations, in short, blanks, books to read in the subway.
                  Quote: Temples
                  What is it your "brings together in history" ????

                  He is not a historian.
                  1. Temples
                    Temples 21 June 2016 16: 51
                    +3
                    There was a case, started-threw


                    The right way laughing

                    The truth is not for someone who has a crust on her preaching, but for someone who wants to know it.
                    1. Riv
                      Riv 21 June 2016 17: 08
                      +4
                      A historian is one who studies history. And Starikov just loots on his little books.
                      That's the only difference.
                      1. Corporal Valera
                        Corporal Valera 21 June 2016 17: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: Riv
                        And Starikov just loots on his little books.

                        Plus
                      2. Snow
                        Snow 21 June 2016 17: 38
                        +5
                        Well, maybe the dough, then he doesn’t have much with them, but this is an image. books are so-so, really.
                        According to the article - an authoritative opinion is voiced (although in general I do not agree with everything). True word for word Puchkov-Goblin. It is not good to really pass off other people's voiced thoughts as their own .. I would say, "I agree with Citizen Puchkov that ..." and the question would be removed.
                      3. Koshak
                        Koshak 21 June 2016 18: 55
                        -6
                        Quote: Riv
                        A historian is one who studies history. And Starikov just loots on his little books.
                        That's the only difference.

                        This is the argument of a real liberal. When there is nothing to cover, the indisputable goes: "They just saw the loot (knock down, earn, take away from pensioners)." Well, at least they came up with something new, because this term of yours is jaded to the point of impossibility.
                      4. avia1991
                        avia1991 21 June 2016 20: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: Koshak
                        This is the argument of a true liberalist.

                        This applies directly to you, dear! We don’t see logs in our eyes, right? Well tell us, unlucky: WHAT is outstanding, from the point of view of historical analysis, that you found in the works of Mr. Starikov ?!
                        Most likely, you just did not read him, but only listened to his confident, full of pathos, "revelations", in the spirit of the speeches of the Stalinist "sycophants": "Wow ha ... dina! .." not an argument. And that's why Your cry turned out to be extremely characteristic of a natural liberal: "Oh, you are not with us ?! So, you are against us!" laughing
                      5. Stas57
                        Stas57 23 June 2016 08: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Riv
                        A historian is one who studies history. And Starikov just loots on his little books.
                        That's the whole difference

                        studying according to documents.
                        and yes, business, politics, politics and a bit of history
                  2. vovanpain
                    vovanpain 21 June 2016 17: 30
                    +11
                    Quote: RUSS
                    He writes pseudo-historical books.

                    Quote: RUSS
                    There was a case, started-threw

                    Colleagues, I'm sorry to interfere in your scientific debate, but Maxim you still try to read to the end, sit down, think, make ends meet, and then say about pseudo history. If you started and quit reading Pushkin, for example, you can also talk about Alexander Sergeevich also say that he is a pseudo poet. Regards hi I apologize again for the intervention of a colleague.
                2. Snow
                  Snow 21 June 2016 17: 33
                  +15
                  I read some of Starikov’s books.
                  He is certainly a patriot, certainly I would vote for him in the elections, but alas, as a historian, he is rather weak. Of course, he analyzes something in his books .. even tries to introduce some kind of his terminology, but he just sucks some things out of his finger .. As a writer, of course he has the right. And so he has an interesting one. But books are boring .. Somehow everything is around. Vidyahi is amusing to see him. And the books are not very
                3. avia1991
                  avia1991 21 June 2016 20: 36
                  +7
                  Quote: Temples
                  Did you read his books yourself?
                  What your statement is based on "does not know history".

                  I will repeat the idea of ​​RUSS, although I often disagree with his views: "Starikov's Books" is a pseudo-scientific fantasy on the theme of History. A mess of well-known facts and his own conjectures, whose goal is to draw attention to Starikov himself: "Oh! How smart he is!"
                  In essence, Starikov is a typical political yap, loving to advertise in the media, and very, it must be admitted, competently changing his rhetoric depending on the political "weather".
                  As for the "ignorant of History" - will you agree to a medical operation, which will be performed by an "amateur surgeon" who has studied the profession from questionable books and articles on the Wiki? NO?! Why so? .. HERE IS THE SAME.
                  In addition, we cannot now affirm or refute anything substantively enough: History today is being actively turned upside down - including by the authorities themselves, and such old people. Meanwhile, access to many real historical documents is still closed, or severely limited.
                  So, before criticizing and extolling someone in the past, it would not be bad to remember the commandment of Jesus: "Do not judge - let you not be judged!" And in discussions about the past, take this wish into account.
                  As for the attitude to Mannerheim, I personally have nothing against it. But who was the initiator - I would like to find out! However, Mr. Starikov does not say this .. or does not risk, perhaps, given the following information:
                  Unfortunately, in the military department we were not able to get a definite answer whether their department really was the initiator of the establishment of the memorial sign. We just found out that the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and the President of Russia Vladimir Putin treat Mannerheim with respect.

                  More details: http://ok-inform.ru/obshchestvo/38974-v-peterburge-khoteli-uvekovechit-pamyat-gi

                  tlerovskogo-brata-po-oruzhiyu.html

                  And about Akhmad-Khoja Kadyrov .. yes, he is a Hero of Russia, and no one belittles his merits. But why, in this case, not to immortalize in St. Petersburg ALL Heroes who have no less rights to remain in our memory? AND WHOSE initiative has advanced this idea? What was it based on? Another curtsy of the Kremlin towards Grozny?
                4. Pancho
                  Pancho 21 June 2016 21: 06
                  +3
                  Quote: Temples
                  What is your statement "does not bring in history" based on

                  There is a broadcast on YouTube with Puchkov, where he made Heinrich the Eighth the wife of Isabella of Bavaria, instead of Isabella of Castile, and repeated several times.
                  1. sherp2015
                    sherp2015 23 June 2016 08: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: Pancho
                    There is a broadcast on YouTube with Puchkov, where he made Heinrich the Eighth the wife of Isabella of Bavaria, instead of Isabella of Castile, and repeated several times.

                    Everything is simple. His friends in the Kremlin appointed to be a historian and songwriter. Influence the masses at a time when the authority of the EP fell below nowhere
            2. NDR-791
              NDR-791 21 June 2016 16: 55
              +16
              Quote: Temples
              Or does any human thinking hinder the "historians"?

              Unfortunately, they often interfere. If history were a science, not a conjuncture, then neither Mannerheim's plaque nor Dudayev Street would appear on the country's map (how is she doing, by the way?). And these facts are not only superfluous, but also modern proof of the relationship between history and power. Recently I restored a memorial plaque to General Karbyshev installed on the street of the same name. The city obliged the hospital to the nursery on which the board hangs. I phoned that hospital, so that at least by May 9th they would be taken and hanged. They say - "we cannot pay you, the city does not give money" !!! I answer - "What questions, you take away, hang up while your builders are working." I didn't even talk about money! Issue price 2500r. I, to the extreme, will skip one fishing trip, and instead of the city I will find money, I will invest in the cashier for repairs. They have money for the annual renovation of the square in front of the "gray house", but for the memory of the hero, FIG !!!
              1. reservist
                reservist 21 June 2016 17: 50
                +3
                Quote: NDR-791
                If history were a science, not conjuncture, then neither Mannerheim’s board nor Dudaev’s street would appear on the map of the country (how is it, by the way, doing?).

                in Lviv there is Dudaev Street (and the streets of the heroes of the UPA and Bandera too ...), but was there somewhere else?
                1. NDR-791
                  NDR-791 21 June 2016 17: 53
                  0
                  Oddly enough, but in Moscow !!! True lane seems to be new homes squeezed into the old buildings. In Prague they still tried to call. Now I do not know how things are. But then the people were very indignant.
                  1. reservist
                    reservist 21 June 2016 18: 38
                    +3
                    maybe after all the boulevard named after the red commander Sultan Dudaev?
                    now it’s impossible to find such Dudaev in Moscow ...
                2. weksha50
                  weksha50 21 June 2016 18: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: reservist
                  in Lviv there is Dudaev Street (and the streets of the heroes of the UPA and Bandera too ...), but was there somewhere else?



                  The first she appeared in the Baltic states, as if not even in Riga ...
                  In Lviv, stupidly copied later ...
                  1. Bayonet
                    Bayonet 21 June 2016 20: 42
                    +5
                    Quote: weksha50
                    The first she appeared in the Baltic states, as if not even in Riga ...

                    Yes, in Riga.
              2. weksha50
                weksha50 21 June 2016 18: 47
                +10
                Quote: NDR-791
                They have money for the annual renovation of the square in front of the "gray house", but for the memory of the hero, FIG !!!



                Karbyshev, by the way, like Mannerheim, the tsarist officer, later - the general.
                Prominent scientist and military engineer. He was so prominent and well-known that when he was captured personally, Hitler made an offer - I'm afraid to be mistaken - to head either a department at the Academy of Engineering, or the academy itself. The motivation was as follows: "You will not fight against your own people ... you will simply train officers - military engineers" ...

                Karbyshev refused, for which he paid ...

                There were such different tsarist generals ... Mannerheim found money in St. Petersburg, but Karbyshev, who died a martyr’s death (you don’t want the enemy) - no ...

                Your city authorities should be hung upside down by one place ... On the square in front of this "gray house" ...
                1. NDR-791
                  NDR-791 21 June 2016 18: 56
                  +4
                  I grew up on Karbysheva street.
                  Quote: weksha50
                  There were such different tsarist generals ... Mannerheim found money in St. Petersburg, but Karbyshev, who died a martyr’s death (you don’t want the enemy) - no ...

                  And also our former governor said - "the population is not careful with the roads, they break ...". See how? The people in power are bad! Well, after Biren, no one in Russia is surprised at this.
                2. reservist
                  reservist 21 June 2016 19: 34
                  +6
                  Quote: weksha50
                  Mannerheim in St. Petersburg found money, but Karbyshev, who died a martyr’s death (you don’t wish the enemy) - no ...

                  promised to return to the place after restoration ...
                  The board was removed from the walls of the Engineering Castle in 2004 by the State Russian Museum (Mikhailovsky Castle branch) in connection with the restoration of the building. It is stored in the funds of the Department of Monuments and Plaques of the State Museum of Urban Sculpture of St. Petersburg.
            3. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 21 June 2016 21: 14
              0
              Quote: Temples
              What kind of historians?
              How do the "historians" get in the way of Starikov's books?
              Or does any human thinking hinder the "historians"?
              All that does not fit into the history textbook memorized by these scientists (or rather, specially trained) is junk art?

              The idea is interesting, but controversial. The question is what is meant by "historians", members of the site, or how, other categories of citizens ("poll" is at school, the son-in-law works there, and in the military registration and enlistment office, I work there, I did not identify experts on the works of such an author, maybe to Unfortunately, I don’t know), you’re probably right and the works of this author are interesting and informative, which doesn’t say about the audience who knew him, perhaps unfortunately, but a fact.
          2. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 21 June 2016 17: 34
            +1
            Quote: RUSS
            Starikov’s books are ordinary fiction, consumer goods. Historians call his little books ordinary art junk.

            For the first time I have to agree with you
          3. 2ez
            2ez 22 June 2016 11: 13
            0
            http://www.kramola.info/vesti/letopisi-proshlogo/smert-istoricheskoj-nauki
            This is about "historians", any person can become a historian, there would be a desire ...
        3. CONTROL
          CONTROL 22 June 2016 09: 07
          0
          Quote: Engineer
          I admit, but this article appeared clearly in a hurry, it was not the fruit of his thoughts and feelings, but the transfer of strangers into his article as an answer to the topic that is relevant and popular now, so to speak, to be in trend. This is ugly for such a person as Old Man - the author of so many books.

          ... Having said "A", you should not then pronounce the entire alphabet ... with "b", "b", "Y", "Y" and "E" ...
          ... And - in a row, trying to pronounce a meaningful and meaningful word!
    2. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 21 June 2016 15: 30
      +30
      With all due respect to Kadyrov Sr. and Nikolai Viktorovich, I cannot agree with the name of the city infrastructure facility in the name of Kadyrov. I will explain my position:
      1. Chechnya has always created enormous problems for Russia, and it’s impossible to forget how the Chechens behaved during World War II, which was in the 90s. Kadyrov Sr., without exaggeration, accomplished the feat by stopping the war, but in this case he is the personification of his people.
      2. Currently, the imperial capital is Moscow, so to speak - then an object in Moscow.
      3. Given the more than ambiguous attitude in Russia (its non-Caucasian part) to immigrants from the Caucasus in general and to Chechens in particular, and if necessary, make a curtsy in the direction of Chechnya - the bridge could be called the name of some Chechen who had honestly fought in the Fatherland, although not many, but there were such.
      4. Why is the memory of the Chechens who fought against Russia immortalized in the capital of Russia, and the names of the Russians who fought against the Chechens are not immortalized in Chechnya?
      5. The model of the empire, when the outskirts and colonies live better than the metropolis and, due to the metropolis, provokes an arrogant and contemptuous attitude towards the metropolis in these same outskirts / colonies and leads to strong centrifugal outbursts if the metropolis is weakened. This is a historical fact. The glorification of the representatives of one of the parts of the federation without the corresponding glorification of the representatives of indigenous Russia in the same part of the federation creates the appearance of the weakness of the central authority and in the eyes of the highlanders raises them above the Russians. Unfortunately, the peoples of the Caucasus historically understand only power.

      Total - the name of the bridge in the name of Hero of Russia Kadyrov Sr. in my opinion is a provocation in order to split the society on the basis of nationality.

      Regarding Mannerheim, it would be necessary to beat up a board nearby with a reminder of the massacre of Russians on national grounds by white Finns into Finnish civilian, and attempts to build Greater Finland with the capture of Karelia in the 20s, and the blockade of Leningrad, Finnish concentration camps in Karelia, etc.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 21 June 2016 15: 36
        +10
        So do you think Kadyrov stopped the war, and not the army of Russian soldiers in a bloody heavy war?
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 21 June 2016 15: 48
          +12
          Quote: BlackMokona
          So do you think Kadyrov stopped the war, and not the army of Russian soldiers in a bloody heavy war?

          According to the famous approvers, Starikov is precisely Kadyrov and Putin, which is directly written in the article.
          1. Temples
            Temples 21 June 2016 16: 11
            +14
            This war was stopped not by arms but by negotiations.
            This is a fact.
            Agreed Putin and Kadyrov is a fact.

            But other people started the war.
            1. NDR-791
              NDR-791 21 June 2016 17: 06
              +11
              Quote: Temples
              This war was stopped not by arms but by negotiations.
              This is a fact.
              Agreed Putin and Kadyrov is a fact.

              And let us be, nevertheless, honest, if only to ourselves - this war was stopped by the money invested in Chechnya, which was left to neither pensioners, nor our roads, nor much else. However, I agree that even so, it’s still better than it could be in a different scenario.
            2. Grandfather Luka
              Grandfather Luka 21 June 2016 17: 34
              +11
              At the expense of the Kadyrovs and others with them, one should not experience illusions. Hero of Russia and all that. Don't stand with your back to him. East is a delicate matter......
        2. Ivan Ivanych
          Ivan Ivanych 21 June 2016 15: 48
          +8
          Unfortunately, there are wars when you have to negotiate. This is a war between the citizens of one state.
      2. reservist
        reservist 21 June 2016 16: 02
        +8
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        2. Currently, the imperial capital is Moscow, so to speak - then an object in Moscow.

        already ... in South Butovo
        1. reservist
          reservist 21 June 2016 16: 12
          +15
          but not everyone likes it ...
          1. Makarov
            Makarov 22 June 2016 02: 09
            0
            you do not even sit down for it ..
      3. Ivan Ivanych
        Ivan Ivanych 21 June 2016 16: 22
        -1
        As in that joke ... Murgu was written by Turgenev and a monument was erected to Pushkin .... Where they built the bridge, they called it. What's not clear?)
    3. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 21 June 2016 15: 38
      +26
      And why is this board only to the Finnish slayer Hitler?
      Let's put the Russian - General Vlasov
      or to the German, Field Marshall Paulus?
      1. gray smeet
        gray smeet 21 June 2016 15: 52
        +9
        And what about the board of Monerheim has not yet been ripped off?

        And we regularly branded the miners of Donbass for "sitting on sofas".
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 21 June 2016 15: 55
          -8
          Quote: gray smeet
          And what about the board of Monerheim has not yet been ripped off?

          Instigator?
          1. kotvov
            kotvov 21 June 2016 16: 18
            +1
            Instigator?,,
            RUSS patron?
          2. gray smeet
            gray smeet 21 June 2016 16: 24
            +13
            Quote: RUSS
            Quote: gray smeet
            And what about the board of Monerheim has not yet been ripped off?

            Instigator?


            I have been openly talking about this for several days now - our government must either erect monuments to the Nazis or, on May 9, with the people, take part in the action of the Immortal Regiment. And here and there it is noted - it is difficult for people to explain these actions, even in beautiful words!
            1. The comment was deleted.
            2. RUSS
              RUSS 21 June 2016 16: 30
              -1
              Quote: gray smeet
              I have been openly talking about this for several days

              You say that the board needs to be removed, inciting citizens to at least an administrative offense, hinting that here "they are sitting on sofas" but you have to go and demolish the board?
              1. gray smeet
                gray smeet 21 June 2016 16: 38
                +8
                Quote: RUSS
                Quote: gray smeet
                I have been openly talking about this for several days

                You say that the board needs to be removed, inciting citizens to at least an administrative offense, hinting that here "they are sitting on sofas" but you have to go and demolish the board?


                Yes, you need to come and take off this board, and the Leningraders - the inhabitants of this city, where they installed a board without their consent, to put it mildly ambiguously, should do this - and let the authorities look. It is not necessary to commit atrocities, but the workers putilovites (say they) must come in an organized manner and take off. Another thing is that now there is really no popular opinion. My grandfather did not die near Vyborg for honoring his enemies.
              2. user3970
                user3970 21 June 2016 17: 57
                0
                Sorry to interrupt the queue, but I heard such a bike that graduates - cadets, immediately after graduation, clean their belongings to Peter 1. Tradition, s. Maybe with this board that = something to do graduates?
                1. Amurets
                  Amurets 22 June 2016 08: 14
                  0
                  Quote: user3970
                  Sorry to interrupt the queue, but I heard such a bike that graduates - cadets, immediately after graduation, clean their belongings to Peter 1. Tradition, s. Maybe with this board that = something to do graduates?

                  And in TWO boots on the monument to Rokossovsky. K.K. Also a tradition.
              3. reservist
                reservist 21 June 2016 18: 58
                +4
                Quote: RUSS
                You say that the board needs to be removed, inciting citizens at least to administrative offenses ...

                Well, since you just can’t take it off like that, can you dedicate another board to Mannerheim?
                Here is an option offered ...
            3. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 21 June 2016 22: 35
              +7
              Quote: gray smeet
              I have been openly talking about this for several days now - our government must either erect monuments to the Nazis or, on May 9, with the people, take part in the action of the Immortal Regiment. And here and there it is noted - it is difficult for people to explain these actions, even in beautiful words!

              Colleague, where did you see our current government with the people? Maybe with some other people, but with the Russian people, our current government did not stand next to it. Yes, and not worthy to stand, because it is the worst since the times of the Rurik. There is not a single worthy representative of our people in this power, since this is the most tongue-tied, illiterate and corrupt government in the entire century-long history of the Russian State. And the harm done by this power throws our people back into the times of almost "troubles and seven-boyars".
              Such an opinion, colleagues, I have the honor. soldier
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 22 June 2016 01: 02
                +4
                Quote: Vladimir 1964
                There is not a single worthy representative of our people in this government,

                belay ?!?!?! How dare you ?! My God - to encroach on holy things! On the DARKEST it is such a vain to erect! .. But he went with the Immortal Regiment - a little, however, the state affairs did not let go. Well .. the "others" who are about to wipe away, immediately followed the example of the highest .. what can't you do to demonstrate "unity with the people"? ..
                wassat
                But what about
                Quote: Vladimir 1964
                it is the most tongue-tied, illiterate and corrupt government in the entire centuries-old history of the Russian State
                You, perhaps, got excited about the slegontsa: at all times, crafty and greedy little people have stuck to the riches, treasury, resources of Russia. And at all times the supreme ruler fought with them: the Grand Duke or the Sovereign-Emperor, the Empress - all who in their right mind bore the burden of the supreme power in Russia regularly engaged in "cleansing", and from scoundrels, embezzlers and other "foreign agents" systematically disposed of. For the main goal and meaning of the life of emperors then was the strengthening and expansion of the Russian state, increasing its authority and wealth! .. And not your own enrichment, and not help in this "chosen circle" - moreover, already obviously to the detriment of the people of Russia!
                Failed, if not - treacherous! - policy in education, health care, rural development, the absence of a plan for the restoration of the industry destroyed in 25 years - what is this if not the gradual surrender of the country's positions? With the simultaneous increase in the sale of resources - one "privatization" of ROSNEFT is worth something, with the participation of "our good friends" China and India! But quite recently, with such pathos, the BEST demanded: "Do not let any foreign companies go to the second privatization! Only residents of the Russian Federation, only with their own wooden ones!" This is how to understand? Has China already joined the Russian Federation?
                .. So - Alas - it turns out that you are making the right conclusions, Vladimir hi The following question: and what to do about it? what It's a shame, after all, for a power ...
        3. Denis Obukhov
          Denis Obukhov 21 June 2016 16: 11
          +11
          Quote: gray smeet
          And what about the board of Monerheim has not yet been ripped off?




          Mannerheim was wrapped in black semi-ethylene.
          It remains to remove, and in the trash.
          1. Temples
            Temples 21 June 2016 16: 35
            +4
            And from what material "masterpiece"?
            Hand it over for recycling.

            After all, there is a sculptor in this piece of something.

            Who is he? Apparently also a piece of something.
      2. 1536
        1536 21 June 2016 17: 14
        +7
        What about Paulus? From, unlike Mannerheim, he did not serve in the Russian army, was a strong enemy, but an honest man. After the defeat of his armies, after their surrender at Stalingrad and surrender, Paulus revised his views on the war, on the Soviet Union, on his homeland - Germany. With Hitler, as far as historical sources can be believed, he did not hug and was not a member of the NSDAP.
        After the war, he taught at the General Staff Academy. Probably, he had something to tell our top military leadership. No one disputes that the Germans are the only warriors who can fight openly with us. After the death of Stalin, Paulus left for the GDR. And he lived there until the very end of his life, not pouring mud on either Russia or his homeland, which had become a democratic country. Probably if he had lived in Germany, the Americans would have killed him, or made him lie about the war and the role of the German army and its general in it. But this, fortunately, did not happen.
        And whether a person is worthy to have his name on the memorial plaque, or if his name was called a street or something else, time will tell. I think the A.-X. bridge Nobody dares to desecrate Kadyrov. Not enough paint. And this Mannerheim will continue to be spat upon and bloodied. And what kind of memory is this about a person? Pity them, these white Finns and their admirers, I swear, pity.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 21 June 2016 21: 00
          +2
          Quote: 1536
          I think the A.-H. bridge Nobody dares to desecrate Kadyrov. Not enough paint.
          The portrait of Budanov opposite has already been drawn. By the way, it turns out from your post that Paulus is no worse than Kadyrov — he also fought against us at first, and then corrected himself. Maybe his name is called a bridge, walk like a walk ?!
      3. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 21 June 2016 17: 35
        +1
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        And why is this board only to the Finnish slayer Hitler?
        Let's put the Russian - General Vlasov
        or to the German, Field Marshall Paulus?

        Offered on a parallel branch. They say that Mannerheim has more merits with Russia. What merits, comparable with all the royal generals. Let's put everyone who fought for Russia. First, those who:
        - stayed in Russia
        - went to the West but remained faithful to Russia and did not draw his sword
        - Well, if there remains material, desire and brains, to everyone else .....
        Where is Mannerheim?
    4. PValery53
      PValery53 21 June 2016 17: 00
      +1
      Listen, do not scare your codla. Who is Dima Puchkov?
      1. owl
        owl 21 June 2016 17: 13
        +3
        Quote: PValery53
        Who is Dima Puchkov?

        This is such a guy (you may know him as a translator under the pseudonym "Goblin") doing this Useful it’s how it provides a resource in the form of its own channel for historians, etc., in itself does not represent anything and listen to it personal opinion is idiocy!
    5. Oml
      Oml 22 June 2016 14: 20
      0
      History is subjective, bridges, streets, cities, as well as nature, are objective. There are many beauties and realities of nature, which can be called streets and bridges, etc. Today, someone and for someone a hero, tomorrow no.
  2. Vend
    Vend 21 June 2016 15: 08
    .
    The author has maximalism. If not with us, then against us. This approach does not split history, but society. Perpetuating historical memory in the names of streets or monuments is not very conducive to the historical education of young people. For example, my daughters have no idea who "grandfather Lenin" is. And many people knew who Voikov was until they staged a circus with the renaming of the street and metro station? For many, the name of the street is just a signpost, and the monuments are the architecture of the city.
    1. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall 21 June 2016 15: 25
      +14
      Quote: Wend
      Perpetuating historical memory in the names of streets or monuments is not very conducive to the historical education of young people. For example, my daughters have no idea who "grandfather Lenin &


      Well, if the parents don’t explain to the children, then at the current ruined school, how would they know anything. In our time, it was believed that children should be raised after birth, and therefore inform. Give them a historic city tour and you will help your children great.
      1. Vend
        Vend 21 June 2016 15: 42
        -1
        Quote: tiredwithall

        Well, if the parents don’t explain to the children, then at the current ruined school, how would they know anything. In our time, it was believed that children should be raised after birth, and therefore inform. Give them a historic city tour and you will help your children great.

        I answer them their questions, but I have my own view on the history of Russia, so that they receive my information, as well as many others. If parents hate the Soviet system, then they will tell in black tones, and if souls are not respected in Soviet times, then in pink. In both cases, the child receives a one-sided view.
        1. tiredwithall
          tiredwithall 21 June 2016 16: 01
          +4
          Having children obliges their parents to much. If you give the child information, then I am sure that you are trying to give it objectively. You won’t get away from your position either. She will influence. But your position was not formed from scratch. So it is necessary to move it closer to the truth. There are a lot of opportunities for this now. So in general, experience is passed on from generation to generation. Your children will take something, reject something, which will make their heads work. And of course I agree with you that none of the people has an absolutely objective position.
          1. The comment was deleted.
          2. Tatyana
            Tatyana 21 June 2016 16: 53
            +2
            Vend
            For many, the name of the street is just an indicative inscription, ...

            If the name of the streets were only an indicative inscription, then it would be easier to number the streets, as is done in some other countries. It is noteworthy that just an abstract street number is distracted from the place of life and history of the people. It is really easier for the “upper classes” to control such “lower classes” if they are formed from foreign migrants.
            For indigenous peoples, on the contrary, it is the name that gives the streets a special natural flavor to their small homeland and political and historical moral motivation in preserving the historical memory of themselves, as part of the whole people and the political and economic orientation of its development, and the development of the country as a whole. In this case, the "top" is also easy to manage the "bottom", if the managerial elite is really standing on the defense of the national interests of the country, and is not collaborative and administrative-colonial.
            Monuments also serve the task of facilitating the management of the “upper” “lower classes”. Therefore, monuments are erected, destroyed, replaced with others, and the streets are simply renamed. According to these frank deeds, the “lower classes” can easily establish what “upper circles” in power are like. Clever independent politicians DO NOT go to such “disclosures” before the people of their own free will. This is usually the lot of non-sovereign politicians - the lot of vassals or colonial proteges.

            Yuri Antonov - On Kashtanova Street. Early 80s
        2. The comment was deleted.
    2. owl
      owl 21 June 2016 16: 18
      +5
      Quote: Wend
      my daughters have no idea who "grandfather Lenin" is

      Here you can only sympathize that children are like parents, and parents who also boast of this can be sympathized with twice, and only then you can cry yourself because it turns out that you live by chance in the same country with this kind of "citizens"!
      1. Vend
        Vend 21 June 2016 17: 10
        0
        Quote: gufo
        Quote: Wend
        my daughters have no idea who "grandfather Lenin" is

        Here you can only sympathize that children are like parents, and parents who also boast of this can be sympathized with twice, and only then you can cry yourself because it turns out that you live by chance in the same country with this kind of "citizens"!

        You better sympathize with yourself.
        1. owl
          owl 21 June 2016 17: 21
          +3
          Quote: Wend
          You better sympathize with yourself.

          You essentially are not in a condition to answer that your children do not know a damn thing!
          1. Vend
            Vend 21 June 2016 18: 15
            -3
            Quote: gufo
            Quote: Wend
            You better sympathize with yourself.

            You essentially are not in a condition to answer that your children do not know a damn thing!

            I replied, you did not understand what can be done here. People like you have destroyed Russia in 1917. And then they ruined the wonderful and sensible idea of ​​socialism, starting from the 1920 years and eventually destroyed the Soviet Union.
  3. oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 21 June 2016 15: 09
    +5
    And then Mazepa can be a monument, because for some time he tried to honestly serve Peter (that is, Russia). (This is about Mannerheim). And Kadyrov, I think that's right, was immortalized in Petersburg. Whatever they say about the Chechens, but if they are friends, it’s from the heart. So we must.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 21 June 2016 15: 36
      +9
      In my opinion, such issues should be decided by ordinary people. and not officials to decide.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 21 June 2016 15: 49
      +10
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      .And Kadyrov, I think that's right, was immortalized in Petersburg. Whatever they say about the Chechens, but if they are friends, it’s from the heart. So we must.

      forgotten to ask residents of St. Petersburg
      1. lissa
        lissa 21 June 2016 21: 15
        -3
        More than half-do not care, part-for, and only a handful of liberals-are always against ....
    3. viktorR
      viktorR 21 June 2016 15: 54
      -3
      Regarding Mazepa, there is an interesting thought that is prompted by the reasoning of this young man from the DPR. Funny guy, by the way :)
      Do not rush to minus, look at least the ending :)


      1. viktorR
        viktorR 21 June 2016 17: 13
        0
        Well, no one is watching, but just put the cons because of the name of the video, I knew :)
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 21 June 2016 17: 48
          0
          Well, the point is that it’s not just Judas, but at least twice Judas. And Menshikov and Karl equally to him, threw both! And a monument to him for it, here is a reservist and confirmed. Excuse me, Peter was right.
          1. viktorR
            viktorR 21 June 2016 20: 00
            0
            And how did he throw Carla?
    4. reservist
      reservist 21 June 2016 16: 50
      +2
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      And Mazepa then you can put a monument

      Already have in Poltava ...
      1. reservist
        reservist 21 June 2016 16: 55
        +7
        and from Russia the hetman will have enough "personal" order
  4. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 21 June 2016 15: 09
    +1
    The memorial plaque to Mannerheim is certainly superfluous ... He was an enemy to the Soviet people and that’s it. But Akhmat Kadyrov deserved that his name should not be forgotten.
    1. rabbi's pais
      rabbi's pais 21 June 2016 15: 25
      -8
      Quote: Tatar 174
      But Akhmat Kadyrov deserved that his name should not be forgotten

      And I would call the bridge in honor of Said-Magomed Kakiyev.
      Cool article, read, bon appetit
      http://mpsh.ru/5794-chechenec-s-m-kakiev-klyanus-allahom-ya-gotov-umeret-za-ross
      iyu.html
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 21 June 2016 15: 36
      +15
      Quote: Tatar 174
      He was an enemy to the Soviet people and that’s it.
      So the current government is also thoroughly anti-Soviet. Therefore, the perpetuation by her of the memory of the main white finn is absolutely natural. However, such games with the glorification of the once degraded monarchy and the suppression / neglect of the positive aspects of the Soviet period of history will not lead to anything good. The people, in the majority, are against this interpretation of history.
    3. Oorfene Deuce
      Oorfene Deuce 21 June 2016 19: 19
      +5
      Quote: Tatar 174
      But Akhmat Kadyrov deserved that his name should not be forgotten.

      It is necessary to immortalize it in granite ... Why waste time on trifles. The authorities remember our "heroes".
    4. duhmorey
      duhmorey 23 June 2016 02: 50
      0
      You, at least at the beginning, read the statistics of the "Chechen war" - how many were brutally tortured to death during the reign of the Kadyrovs, expelled from their apartments, who became REFUGEES (!), Driven into slavery, raped girls and women, Russian innocent people !
      The Kadyrovs are not just "good people" - they represented the Chechen people, who were mired in bloody acts against ordinary Russian people who lived in Chechnya before the war!
      To name a cadre bridge in St. Petersburg is blasphemy and a betrayal of the memory of those who were killed and tortured by bandits in Chechnya !!!
      This is an example to the younger generation that you need to be slaves! This is pure CHRISTIANITY! - In the Sermon on the Mount, Christ taught to forgive murderers and tormentors! Kiss their ass! That is where Russian people have a tolerant attitude towards enemies!
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 23 June 2016 10: 50
        0
        Quote: duhmorey
        You, at least at the beginning, read the statistics of the "Chechen war" - how many were brutally tortured to death during the reign of the Kadyrovs, expelled from their apartments, who became REFUGEES (!), Driven into slavery, raped girls and women, Russian innocent people !
        The Kadyrovs are not just "good people" - they represented the Chechen people, who were mired in bloody acts against ordinary Russian people who lived in Chechnya before the war!
        To name a cadre bridge in St. Petersburg is blasphemy and a betrayal of the memory of those who were killed and tortured by bandits in Chechnya !!!
        This is an example to the younger generation that you need to be slaves! This is pure CHRISTIANITY! - In the Sermon on the Mount, Christ taught to forgive murderers and tormentors! Kiss their ass! That is where Russian people have a tolerant attitude towards enemies!

        Modelka to you, purely for thought:

        - in your house a zoo
        - animals guards Gripizl
        - animals attack you and your .. children, for example

        Your actions?

        IMHO did everything very well:

        - Akhmad Kadyrov (who, like, made peace with the Russian Federation) - was killed. Well, the attack, the usual thing?
        - Ramzan Kadyrov - faithfully serves the Russian Federation. By the way - blood feud (for those who blew up their father, yes - no one has yet canceled it) - - - who was blown up there in the Emirates not so long ago? And they did it beautifully ...

        We think, think ... only then - do we write something here, huh? wink
  5. ovod84
    ovod84 21 June 2016 15: 11
    -4
    And what correctly says.
  6. Oznob
    Oznob 21 June 2016 15: 11
    +15
    The street named after our paratroopers in Grozny made me think a lot.
  7. figwam
    figwam 21 June 2016 15: 12
    +18
    Mannerheim is a fascist, received awards from fascist Germany. These signs of ownership were carried by Finnish aviation.

    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 21 June 2016 15: 54
      +5
      Quote: figvam
      These signs of ownership were carried by Finnish aviation.


      Modern Flag of the Finnish Air Force Academy

      According to an explanation on the website of the Finnish Defense Forces, the swastika as an ancient symbol of happiness for the Finno-Ugric peoples was adopted as a symbol of the Finnish Air Force back in 1918. Although, under the terms of the peace treaty, after the end of the Continuation War in 1945, the Finns were to refuse to use it, but this was not done. The appearance of the current flag was established by decree of President W.K. Kekkonen of 8.11.1957/XNUMX/XNUMX. The explanation on the website of the defense forces emphasized that, unlike the Nazi, the Finnish swastika is strictly vertical.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 21 June 2016 18: 23
        +5
        Here is our POWER love If the Finns go to St. Petersburg to have a drink (to replenish the budget), then the swastika is also simple and vertical or horizontal - it makes absolutely no difference. Anyway, it is inscribed in the Kolovrat! I’m just wondering how Putin reacts PERSONALLY to such tricks as with Mannerheim’s board - all the same, parents of the blockade, this does not work for nothing. Or passes?
      2. duhmorey
        duhmorey 23 June 2016 03: 01
        +1
        "the swastika ... the ancient symbol of the happiness of the Finno-Ugric peoples ..." - was never black! For all swastika symbols originate from the Sun!
        http://drevoroda.ru/interesting/articles/700/794.html
  8. atos_kin
    atos_kin 21 June 2016 15: 15
    +19
    It would be better to return the city of STALINGRAD to the country!
  9. Ivan Ivanych
    Ivan Ivanych 21 June 2016 15: 15
    +16
    We live in a state created by the winners. In that terrible and bloody feud, called the Civil War, those who were supported by the majority defeated. And by definition, hospitalization is a people. Under what banner victory was won over whites and interventionists, I think it is not necessary to remind. Yes, what hee again hanging boards with such ambiguous personalities? Whom do they remind of victory? White again in the city?
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 21 June 2016 15: 56
      +5
      They didn’t go anywhere ... At least the last 30 years. And not all (and even the absolute majority) are not of noble blood at all. More often, even because of the Pale of Settlement.
    2. Blondy
      Blondy 21 June 2016 16: 58
      +6
      In my opinion, all this is being done to erase the Soviet, "communist" period from the memory of the people. First, they took away the holidays, now these boards with bridges, and twenty years later, the next generations will have such okroshka in their brains instead of the history of their country.
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 21 June 2016 18: 27
        +2
        Quote: Blondy
        In my opinion, all this is being done to erase the Soviet, "communist" period from the memory of the people. First, they took away the holidays, now these boards with bridges, and twenty years later, the next generations will have such okroshka in their brains instead of the history of their country.

        And you still listen to it on radio and TV, on different sites where the topic of war is at least somehow discussed or something close to achievements - you will not meet the Soviet anywhere - everywhere it is changed into Russian, to such an extent that sometimes complete nonsense comes out.
        Moreover, almost all of our enemies and later "probable friends", in the same way, tried to avoid this word. I do not believe in coincidences and that this is happening at the initiative of the media themselves.
      2. duhmorey
        duhmorey 23 June 2016 03: 06
        -1
        Which of the greats expressed a thought as accurate as a shot: "Take history away from the people, and you will get slaves!" This is what the "temporary workers" are busy with today with the tacit consent of the chief godfather!
  10. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 21 June 2016 15: 15
    +1
    Mannerheim has served Russia for 30 years. Nicholas’s abdication freed him from the oath. He fought against the Bolsheviks who, after Nicholas’s abdication, destroyed the country he swore oaths. In 1991, the communist regime with which he fought. The fucking crowd demolished a monument to Dzerzhinsky. Monuments to Lenin stand ... In Ukraine demolish monuments to Lenin, we are indignant am in St. Petersburg there is a monument to Sobchak not even painted. In Gaidar, too, the whole Bridge named after the Hero of Russia of the deceased at the post causes indignation On the bridge where God of Ukrainian origin walked forgively, Borka Nemtsov wanted to make a memorial ...
    There’s definitely no cross on us request Maybe we’ll put on some underpants? what
    1. viktor_ui
      viktor_ui 21 June 2016 15: 40
      +5
      Ruslan67 - a good answer is a question ... hold +.
      PS I remember the last interview of Akhmad Kadyrov on TV ..., I remember how he was dressed, I remember WHAT HE said for what he would be killed ... HE A WARRIOR and died for the interests of RUSSIA. IT WAS HIS FINAL CHOICE. No need to nod at individual episodes from his life, the final HIS life outcome is important. My respect. Chechnya, this is a civil war in miniature, Ukraine - with an eye to a larger scale ... But we learn from our mistakes (or those in power) ??? It seems to be learning.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 21 June 2016 15: 47
        +1
        Quote: viktor_ui
        But after all, we learn but our mistakes (or those in power) ??? It seems to be learning.

        Judging by the minuses that fly me not the first day, they don’t learn horseradish request Nobody wants to understand that the history of Russia did not start at 91 or even at 17 Well, not all of course, but many ...
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 21 June 2016 16: 45
          0
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Maybe we’ll put on some underpants?

          You can be like that anyway.
          Quote: viktor_ui
          There’s definitely no cross on us

          This is judging by the number of demons in your comments. About yourself on "you"? I am the king.

          Quote: Ruslan67
          fuck

          With a strong word, confirm that you are right, and VO - the official media.
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Nobody wants to understand that the history of Russia did not start at 91 or even at 17 Well, not all of course, but many ...

          Many in your opinion about Oleg, Dovmont, Peter never heard of. What a nuisance.
          Like Manerheim - blind him yourself, put it on the shelf and admire.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 21 June 2016 15: 59
        +6
        HE A WARRIOR
        a small lie gives rise to great misunderstandings. Kadyrov was a priest. I explain. People in spirit, not in profession, are divided into masters, merchants, warriors, priests. Akhmad Kadyrov was both a priest by profession and spirit. It happens, after all, that a person is different by profession to a secret service, but a merchant in spirit.
        1. viktor_ui
          viktor_ui 21 June 2016 20: 05
          -1
          Gardamir Before you sing about the unconditional difference between a war and a priest (and a merchant, a doctor, and even hell knows who in such a list) find out who the INOKs were ... We are all the same on the site, in the language of wise and strong hindsight ... Yes and to condemn about and without this current is so much ..., even though many of us, if you really shove the condemned into the skin, then it is not known what would have happened at the exit ... and YOU HAVE ANY DID be judged ".
          Kadyrov is just a priest ... well, well wassat
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 21 June 2016 21: 22
            0
            just a priest ...
            not just good, but the mufti of Chechnya.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 21 June 2016 16: 45
      +8
      Quote: Ruslan67
      He fought against the Bolsheviks who, after the abdication of Nicholas, destroyed the country which he swore

      Really the Russian engineers, officers, nephews of Archpriest Vyborg Cathedral and the gendarmes who were killed in Vyborg in 1918 were Bolsheviks?

      And Karl Gustav agreed to fight the Bolsheviks only on an advance payment - for example, for participation of Finland in the campaign against Petrograd in 1919, Mannerheim demanded from Yudenich Russian lands in Karelia.

      For some reason, neither Denikin, nor Yudenich, nor Kolchak, nor Wrangel created small unitary principalities for their beloved on the ruins of the Republic, but went to fight for a united and indivisible Russia. And they did not invite for their protection those with whom the country they served was at war.
  11. V.ic
    V.ic 21 June 2016 15: 18
    +13
    Interestingly, what were the arguments of the persons who installed the memorial plaque to Mannerheim? Once again "stir up" the already restless "scattered community"?
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 21 June 2016 18: 05
      0
      I have a suspicion that the grave of liberals in the government and "United Russia" in the Duma is digging with such blunders. winked
      "But it's too good to be true!" what
  12. gringo
    gringo 21 June 2016 15: 19
    -7
    a week already entogo Swede suck, not tired?
  13. sergey2017
    sergey2017 21 June 2016 15: 24
    -4
    According to all laws of Russia, you can give the bridge in St. Petersburg the name of Hero of Russia Akhmat Kadyrov. I for example for the assignment, because I am a Muscovite! But the mentality of the inhabitants of San Petersburg will be opposed to assignment for one reason, the name of the bridge will not fit into the historical names of the city’s bridges! This question is very complex and delicate!
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 21 June 2016 15: 43
      +6
      On the heroes of today's Russia. Where is the bridge of the hero of Russia Anatoly Serdyukov?
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 21 June 2016 16: 24
        +3
        Where is the bridge of the hero of Russia Anatoly Serdyukov ?,
        build, tighten, there will be a whole cascade.
      2. engineer74
        engineer74 21 June 2016 18: 09
        +2
        Quote: Gardamir
        On the heroes of today's Russia. Where is the bridge of the hero of Russia Anatoly Serdyukov?

        In honor of living heroes, it is not customary to call us! And if, without breaking traditions, they call in the near future, then I, for one, do not mind! wink
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 June 2016 15: 26
    +12
    "On the memorial plaque to Mannerheim and the Akhmat Kadyrov Bridge."

    I will not repeat myself on yesterday's article. I want to express my own. Today, walking along one of the main streets of Khabarovsk (Lenin Street), I suddenly noticed that there is no memorial plaque on the building of the Military Commandant's office in honor of the fact that this building was the headquarters of the Red Guard during the Civil War. A question to Mayor Sokolov and his officials - what does it bother you that the headquarters of the Red Guard was located in this building, or maybe the plaque spoiled the facade of a historic building? Then I would like to ask, how many pre-revolutionary buildings have you given (sold) or leased? Only personally I know a few on the red line. And if you dig deeper?
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 21 June 2016 18: 58
      -1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And if you dig deeper?


      The building is being prepared for sale (privatization) ...

      And the commandant’s office will find a new place, simpler and not in the center ...
  15. The comment was deleted.
  16. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 21 June 2016 15: 29
    +1
    Well, so the Swedes in honor of their ethnic compatriot called a grenade launcher ...
  17. The comment was deleted.
  18. OlegLex
    OlegLex 21 June 2016 15: 33
    +11
    Gustav Mannerheim
    Finnish warlord
    Baron, Russian commander, lieutenant general of the Russian army; Finnish military and statesman of Swedish descent, cavalry general of the Finnish army, field marshal, marshal of Finland, regent of the Kingdom of Finland from 12 December 1918 to 26 June 1919, President of Finland from 4 August 1944 to 11 March 1946
    Born4 on June 1867, Askainen, Grand Duchy of Finland, Russian Empire
    Died27 January 1951 (83 years), Lausanne, Switzerland

    Yandex search engine that immediately offers to see also other outstanding people, the first of which is ADOLF HITLER
    It looks like the head of the St. Petersburg authorities is very, very bad
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 22 June 2016 06: 41
      +1
      Quote: OlegLex
      It looks like the head of the St. Petersburg authorities is very, very bad

      Ms. Matvienko seems to be also "St. Petersburg" ...?
      1. reservist
        reservist 22 June 2016 10: 31
        0
        but what about ...
        Valentina Ivanovna Matviyenko (maiden name Tyutina; born April 7, 1949, Shepetivka, Kamenetz-Podolsk Oblast, Ukrainian SSR)
  19. The comment was deleted.
  20. alstr
    alstr 21 June 2016 15: 44
    +11
    If I agree on Manerheim, then here I am with Kadyrov’s bridge.

    First, Kadyrov really played a significant role in appeasing Chechnya, but I don’t believe in his repentance.
    After all, if you look at the history of the Caucasus, then constantly the Dean of Princes, then the other swore allegiance to Moscow for their own benefit. Then they could cross over to the other side. Therefore, in Kadyrov’s transition to the side of the Russian Federation, there was more pragmatism than awareness of something intangible.

    Secondly, we are talking about an object with established topomimics. In this area (South-West), there were fierce battles in 41, where our soldiers did not let the enemy into the city of Leningrad. Based on this, most of the names are somehow connected in this area with the war. The surrounding streets and avenues are named after Zhukov, Zakharov, R. Zorge, Kazakov and others. There are monuments. Nearby, for example, on the same channel there is a monument "Metvy anchor". It would be logical to name the bridge after one of the heroes of the defense of Leningrad or the GSS from Leningrad. Moreover, one of the honorary citizens of the SCA has not yet been immortalized in any way.
    Therefore, from this point of view, it is wrong to call the bridge by the name of Kadyrov in this place.
    Again, we have many GSS and GRF, which have not yet been immortalized in any way.
    Those. it is also necessary to take into account the appropriateness of the name in the light of prevailing topomimics.
    And in this case, the third creterium is not satisfied.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 21 June 2016 16: 12
      +4
      Quote: alstr
      Those. it is also necessary to take into account the appropriateness of the name in the light of prevailing topomimics.
      And in this case, the third creterium is not satisfied.

      All right! Probably, in addition to the Peterhof Highway, in the South-West of St. Petersburg, all street names are dedicated to the heroes of war 41-45. As well as, for example, in the Northeast, scientists and science in general, in the North culture, and in the East, workers and industry, etc. So the Kadyrov bridge, in that place, doesn’t go anywhere - just some kind of monstrous provocation of the authorities, with still unclear consequences
      1. alstr
        alstr 21 June 2016 16: 48
        +2
        Just Peterhof sh. (Peterhof road) existed before. And all the other streets are already post-war (earlier there was the city of Uritsk, but it was completely destroyed in the Second World War).
        1. sherp2015
          sherp2015 23 June 2016 08: 41
          0
          Quote: alstr
          earlier there was the city of Uritsk,

          This is not in honor of the inquisitor-executioner Moses Uritsky gave the city a name?
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 23 June 2016 20: 18
            0
            Do you know anything else? This small town was not far away and there was a tram going there. As it is written in the book "Blockade" --- Leningraders came for a walk on weekends, and there --- Germans.
  21. vasman
    vasman 21 June 2016 15: 49
    +1
    Starikov became pi ..... after certain events in the Donbass, if you name the bridge in honor of the Chechen, then Gantemirov, and all sorts of idiots were sickened, if only the comrades would lie ahead, such and the Soviet Union would be drained.
  22. Altona
    Altona 21 June 2016 15: 51
    +18
    Tsar general, Knight of the Order of St. George and St. George's Arms. Oil painting, tears of tenderness, a piece of French rolls does not give a sigh.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 21 June 2016 16: 49
      +5
      Quote: Altona
      Tsar general, Knight of the Order of St. George and St. George's Arms. Oil painting, tears of tenderness, a piece of French rolls does not give a sigh.

      So win! Shaking hands!
    2. gladysheff2010
      gladysheff2010 21 June 2016 19: 47
      +2
      "Notable" photography. Show it to the afftors of the commemorative plaque !!! In my St. Petersburg this character is unpleasant to me!
      1. reservist
        reservist 21 June 2016 20: 14
        +2
        It seems that someone has already managed ...
        the site kremlin.ru has finally figured out to remove the mention of the "commander of the Finnish troops" ...
        it looks like the "victims of the exam" got there ...
  23. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 21 June 2016 15: 52
    -2
    I agree with the author. However, here on the site many replied that they would go for the memory of grandfather and just to restore justice and break it. Three days passed, it hangs, or the memory of the grandfather is weak, or the concept of justice has changed.
    as I said, the couch army let off steam, felt its significance, showed its discontent to the authorities, and the board hung and hanged. Everyone is happy, commentators with their protest. Power by the board. Happy end.
    1. AlexSK
      AlexSK 21 June 2016 16: 20
      +7
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      However, here on the site many answered what kind of memory of grandfather and just to restore justice

      This, as I understand it, was addressed to me? I wrote that my great-grandfather in a concentration camp died in Finland. Well, firstly, with all my desire, I can’t do this, I live in Siberia in Krasnoyarsk, and secondly, they have already doused him with paint, and they’re guarding him about breaking it up day and night, as you know, it introduces certain difficulties. And so you are like a provocateur with their statements.
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. The comment was deleted.
  24. Altona
    Altona 21 June 2016 15: 57
    +9
    Lyrics of the song "Niet Molotoff" 1942

    Finland, Finland -
    The bastards of the Kremlin is up to you again!
    Molotov said that we should sit on tanks -
    We will have ice cream in Helsinki tomorrow!

    Prie: No, Molotov, no, Molotov,
    You are breaching stronger than Governor Bobrikov!
    No, Molotov, no, Molotov,
    Finns are not badasses, but they don't like bullies.

    Finland, Finland -
    Mannerheim line we built for good reason.
    Evil artillery beats from different places -
    Would you, Ivan, go to the Karelian forest in winter!

    No, Molotov, no, Molotov,
    You lied worse than the damned Bobrikov!
    No, Molotov, no, Molotov,
    Finns are not badasses, but they don't like bullies.

    Finland, Finland -
    Here the Red Army does not shine.
    Molotov whimpered: "What the hell to do ?!
    Let's not let the Chukhonts put us here with bones! "

    No, Molotov, no, Molotov,
    You lied worse than the damned Bobrikov!
    No, Molotov, no, Molotov,
    Finns are not badasses, but they don't like bullies.

    Ural River, Ural River -
    There we will arrange Molotov’s relaxation for centuries.
    We’ll send evil asshole commissioners to them,
    Sneaky Red Finns and Politruk Dogs!

    No, Molotov, no, Molotov,
    Remember what Governor Bobrikov finished!
    No, Molotov, no, Molotov,
    The Finns will not tolerate executioners and nonsense.

    --------------------
    And now oops "pants are turning" - 1945
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 21 June 2016 16: 15
      +5
      The board is then memorable here - Stalin bequeathed to hang it ?!
      1. Altona
        Altona 21 June 2016 18: 14
        +5
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        The board is then memorable here - Stalin bequeathed to hang it ?!

        ---------------------
        For those who do not understand, I explain what a cunning werewolf the "heroic" tsarist general was. Why did I quote the jingoistic Finnish song first, and then a newspaper clipping with congratulations from the President of the Republic of Finland Marshal Mannerheim to Marshal Stalin?
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 21 June 2016 16: 53
      +6
      Realpoltik, however ...
      By the way, there were also soulful songs from our side - like "Take us, Suomi-beauty". smile
      Pine tree on the slopes curls
      Frontier mean outlook.
      Take us, Suomi is a beauty
      In a necklace of transparent lakes!

      Tanks are breaking wide openings,
      Airplanes circling in the clouds
      Low sun of autumn
      Lights the bayonet lights.

      We used to fraternize with victories
      And again we carry in battle
      On the roads paved with grandfathers
      Red star glory.

      A lot of lies over the years
      To confuse the Finnish people.
      Open now trustingly to us
      Halves of the wide gate!

      Neither the jesters nor the fools scribblers
      Do not embarrass your hearts anymore.
      Your homeland was taken more than once -
      We come to return it.

      We come to help you deal
      To pay with interest for shame.
      Take us, Suomi is a beauty
      In a necklace of transparent lakes!
    3. NDR-791
      NDR-791 21 June 2016 18: 31
      +3
      Well, why be surprised - twice in the horns received (taking into account the 18-th year three times). I would try not to congratulate, so according to the results of 45, Stalin would have no one to thank.
  25. lukewarm
    lukewarm 21 June 2016 16: 02
    +8
    I read it on one resource (I will not do advertising, and I read a lot - I forgot already). Judging by the characters present at the opening, the elite split intensified and reached the very top. And this provocation is quite loud. 5th column takes revenge. The economic forum, Sarkozy offers to surrender, assigning the bridge to the name of Kadyrov - and then the answer is prepared - a board with a mannerheim. And he did not study at all in the school on which the board was primed, but in the cavalry. So here liberalists did illiterate, farted in a puddle. I'm not writing my own, I'm not so smart smile and erudite, but completely agree.
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 21 June 2016 16: 06
      +4
      Quote: unwillingly
      did illiterate, farted in a puddle. I’m not writing mine, I’m not so smart smile and erudite, but I agree completely.

      I have not read but condemn negative laughing
      A tablet on the General Staff building where he served in the Russian Empire
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 21 June 2016 18: 45
        +1
        Blin, men, I work in this system myself and I know very well that you will not hang anything without a decision of the commissions of at least two - architectural and curator. And these jackals are used to coming and writing out instructions on the spot (especially for their professional holidays). So the fifth column knows who to give money to. But try to remove the prelude, or break it, or fill it with paint ??? Turma Turma! Nizya-nizya! How is the General Staff still not hiccuping ??? The whole country is against, and these calmly go to the service. Can they immediately give money from the Amer’s embassy?
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 22 June 2016 06: 56
        +1
        Quote: Ruslan67
        A tablet on the General Staff building where he served in the Russian Empire

        The Russian language is powerful! This "person" undoubtedly served geographically in Ingushetia, but in the General Staff? If you find it difficult to communicate on this issue in this thread, then you can unsubscribe / unsubscribe / "in a personal". "Moment" he is in Russia "moment" and in Africa "moment".
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 22 June 2016 07: 01
          +1
          Quote: V.ic
          but in the General Staff?

          And at the General Staff, too, And in intelligence And taught horseback riding at the Academy of the General Staff, I’m already tired of this topic
  26. Dave36
    Dave36 21 June 2016 16: 04
    +8
    With the Finn - this is a real paragraph, I think this board will be demolished ..
    Kadyrov, and that Kadyrov ... everything is not clear with us, Serdyukov is also a hero of Russia ..
    But it’s not a question .. there was a deal in Chechnya (a lot of what happened is the direct fault of the Russian leadership) ... but why call the bridge in St. Petersburg? They did everything to the Chechens at the highest level in their home ... the bridge in St. Petersburg is superfluous. I think it’s not hot from this, it’s not cold ..
  27. sergey2017
    sergey2017 21 June 2016 16: 04
    -5
    Gentlemen, you have instructed me here, but no one has substantiated their point of view! It’s somehow not beautiful!
  28. kit-kat
    kit-kat 21 June 2016 16: 05
    +9
    Kadyrov and his son are killer bandits. They themselves killed the Russians and called for them to be killed. And the fact that they went over to the side of Russia in that war is far from being a plus for them, because the usual betrayal of their own. And to these people you assign "heroes" and name streets and bridges after them. But what about Budanov? That's who the real hero is.
    Starikov disappointed.
  29. Altona
    Altona 21 June 2016 16: 10
    +9
    About the article and my opinion. Mannerheim could be produced with nesting dolls and busts and sold in souvenir shops, if he is so "dear" to them. As for Kadyrov, they could have postponed altogether. This is seen for the "consolidation of the people", when there is nothing to "consolidate", only bridges and "you hold on here." In general, our "Victory 70th Anniversary Victory" could still erect a monument to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, Generalissimo Stalin.
  30. drop
    drop 21 June 2016 16: 12
    +4
    This enemy of the Russian people, Mannerheim dispatched his landing force on Hitler’s instructions as early as 21 on June 1941 to the 6 area of ​​the BBK gateway (the day before the start of the Second World War). The landing party consisted of 11 people. The goal is to explode platinum, disable the LBC and prevent the Government of the USSR from sending submarines and torpedo boats to the Northern Fleet.
    I was wondering why I.V. Stalin saved him from the gallows in the year 1945. One of the versions may be this. I.V. In 1918, Stalin signed documents on the territory of Finland, where this ok was present, on independence and Soviet Russia. I have the honor.
  31. Galleon
    Galleon 21 June 2016 16: 14
    +3
    The more I read and listen to Nikolai Starikov, the more approval and desire to support he causes me. I am not an agitator and not a "sent Cossack" - but I no longer see a normal political alternative to the opportunists from the United Russia.
    1. owl
      owl 21 June 2016 16: 45
      -3
      Quote: Galleon
      but I don’t see a normal political alternative to the EP fighters anymore.

      Starikov’s presidency or Putin’s in this same .., (old man’s sect) ??
  32. asiat_61
    asiat_61 21 June 2016 16: 18
    +2
    If you sculpt a board, then, in my opinion, it is better than Anton Ivanovich, who Denikin did not have a candidate. Stalin asked for a platoon, the leader did not understand or was afraid. Comrade Hitler offered to head the ROA, Anton Ivanovich refused, and died suddenly.
  33. weksha50
    weksha50 21 June 2016 16: 28
    +5
    "If all such figures are against, then I am for"...

    Hmm ... Truly an Old Man politician ... I managed to convince the first part of the negative, and gradually transferred the second part to positive ... Clever, sensible, competent - and most importantly - topically and in the direction of the flow ... of the desired flow ...

    Well. well ... I’ve already created my own party, I have learned how to navigate a long time ago ...

    It seems to me that all this will repeat the history of both Mironov and his party "Fair Russia" ... "Fair" in quotation marks, not for spelling purposes, but in the sense of the real actions of its members and parliamentarians ...

    PS Honestly, with my previous respect for Starikov, recently I began to be wary of him ...
    But this is purely my personal opinion ...
    1. Altona
      Altona 21 June 2016 18: 09
      +3
      Quote: weksha50
      Hmm ... Truly an Old Man politician ... I managed to convince the first part of the negative, and gradually transferred the second part to positive ... Clever, sensible, competent - and most importantly - topically and in the direction of the flow ... of the desired flow ...

      -----------------------
      Here, in general, there is such garbage that in addition to domestic forums there are publics and forums in international social networks such as Facebook and Twitter. Therefore, when, for example, I write on these resources, I represent Russia and I cannot criticize the President and generally write something bad to the international audience (in Russian only I write badly about Medvedev and liberals). And for the rest you have to write that everything is very good. So is Starikov. Apparently, here it is, for different audiences "different opinions". About "Fair Russia", then this party is muddy, although the right things sometimes say, Mikhail Delyagin turns out to be in it. But you start digging, and you just get the left wing of United Russia, because people are not poor in it. But by and large, now is not the time to inflate discord in society if someone is on a truly patriotic platform. War has already been declared on us.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 21 June 2016 19: 03
        +2
        Quote: Altona
        So is Starikov. Apparently, here it is, for different audiences "different opinions".


        I said - a politician ... and learned to catch the wind and the direction of the current ...

        "About "Fair Russia", then this party is muddy"... hi But what is the name !!!

        "by and large, now is not the time to fan the controversy in society, if someone is on a truly patriotic platform. We have already declared war"...

        Again hi
        1. Altona
          Altona 22 June 2016 11: 00
          +1
          Quote: weksha50
          I said - a politician ... and learned to catch the wind and the direction of the current ...

          ----------------
          Like the ONF, Putin's patriotic project criticizes all opposition trends, both systemic and non-systemic. And "Yabloko" with PARNAS, and SR with the Communist Party and the Liberal Democratic Party. I found several of his speeches on this topic. Strives to be the most "correct" patriot.
  34. triglav
    triglav 21 June 2016 16: 28
    0
    I completely agree with the author.
  35. Indifferent
    Indifferent 21 June 2016 16: 39
    -7
    And I think that now in a difficult crisis period, when the country is hard economically, when the people are annoyed by the policy of the leadership, when the West hangs all our dogs around our necks, a real war is going on without a hint of moral and ethical norms of the "free press" and other unpleasant phenomena of life It is premature to give names to bridges and hang memorial plaques causing controversial reactions in society.
    I agree with Starikov that Akhmad Kadyrov accomplished a feat. And Manerheim did nothing especially for Russia. And already being in the leadership of Finland during the war brought a bunch of troubles. Even being in alliance with the Germans, he could have helped civilians in Leningrad by providing humanitarian assistance through the Red Cross. But he didn’t even try to do it!
    By the way, this site is kind of a patriotic direction. And it is difficult to imagine a greater patriot than Starikov. And there are "uncles" who mold cons for his support. Moreover, an attempt to put a plus does not lead to a result. Strange!
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 23 June 2016 08: 51
      0
      Quote: indifferent
      the site seems to be a patriotic direction. And it’s hard to imagine a greater patriot than the Starikov.

      Hmmm ...
      And in Chechnya, probably in Syria, this "patriot" risked his life?
      At least this "historian-pestel" served in the army
  36. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 21 June 2016 16: 40
    +3
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    wrapped Mannerheim in the semi-ethnical.
    It remains to remove, and in the trash.
    Are there any Petersburgers? Enlighten, you are closer to the board: who made the decision to install it at all, Petrosoviet, which party or how?
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 21 June 2016 17: 57
      +3
      Quote: avg-mgn
      [i] Are there any Petersburgers? Enlighten, you are closer to the board: who made the decision to install it at all, Petrosoviet, which party or how?

      On the board, hell knows, on the bridge the vice-governor dragged through the toponymic commission, the governor waved.
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 23 June 2016 08: 55
      +1
      Quote: avg-mgn
      who generally made the decision to install it, the Petrosoviet, any party or what?

      Without EP, probably not enough ...))
  37. anarchist
    anarchist 21 June 2016 16: 41
    +2
    For that matter, it is necessary to name the bridge in St. Petersburg in the name of some kind of hero, I think it was more preferable to name the names of those heroes who died in Syria. Who honestly served the homeland, and never betrayed it, and did not choose where it is better.
  38. Mikado
    Mikado 21 June 2016 16: 53
    +4
    Wrote a comment, then realized that it was pointless. Everyone has already decided. For us. Good or bad - life will show. I live half a kilometer from the bridge.
  39. greenk19
    greenk19 21 June 2016 17: 02
    +4
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Engineer
    This is not beautiful for such a person as Old Men - the author of so many books.

    Starikov’s books are ordinary fiction, consumer goods. Historians call his little books ordinary art junk.

    Having found the pioneer childhood and perestroika youth and reading books now, I understood that historians are also an ancient profession and they first look at who is in power and then write "history". In St. Petersburg, the professors accepted a dissertation on Vlasov and his heroism, and there were also several Nazis were coming out to study ... And the purpose of their work was a village toilet. And Starikov's books to schools.
  40. dmitrii1885
    dmitrii1885 21 June 2016 17: 03
    +1
    here barked Mannerheim, well, to hell with him, this is politics, patriotic. But I have one question. what is the author of the articles so patriotic silent about the Soviet-Finnish war then !!! I am not a liberal, nor a pro-Western. But honestly, sometimes it stirs up from propaganda for whom to root for who to be proud of and who not to!
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 21 June 2016 18: 03
      +2
      Quote: dmitrii1885
      Here they barked Mannerheim, well, to hell with him, this is politics, patriotic. But I have one question. what is the author of the articles so patriotic silent about the Soviet-Finnish war then !!!

      Of which of the four wars? wink
      And then after all, if we talk about the first and second - then the already not very bright face of Karl Gustav will darken even more.
  41. Who said
    Who said 21 June 2016 17: 10
    0
    Ordering Article
  42. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 21 June 2016 17: 21
    +2
    Quote: AlexSK
    Quote: Kostya Andreev
    However, here on the site many answered what kind of memory of grandfather and just to restore justice

    This, as I understand it, was addressed to me? I wrote that my great-grandfather in a concentration camp died in Finland. Well, firstly, with all my desire, I can’t do this, I live in Siberia in Krasnoyarsk, and secondly, they have already doused him with paint, and they’re guarding him about breaking it up day and night, as you know, it introduces certain difficulties. And so you are like a provocateur with their statements.


    and not only and not so much to you. it means that if you can’t do it, then don’t talk, but if you said do it. Maybe I'm a provocateur, but if I promise, I do it. therefore I’m not threatening anyone!
    And what I’m wrong about is that amateurs on how to do it, how to act, are present on the site in huge numbers, and when they need to do something that requires courage to defend their beliefs in the bushes and does not go beyond words, would be ashamed, this is not to go to the warrior, and for this they will not be shot and sent to exile.
    Now compare the couch warriors and the woman with the child who came out on Victory Day in Ukraine with the St. George Ribbon. That's all. who is she and where are the couch warriors. can put cons. Written not only concerns you specifically. but also the rest of the cool couch warriors and exposers.
    I repeat, this is not only about you (I just remembered your comment), but first of all, an appeal to the Petersburgers, to them generally along the drum, no protests, or anything!
    1. AlexSK
      AlexSK 21 June 2016 18: 17
      +1
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      and not only and not so much to you. it means that if you can’t do it, then don’t talk, but if you said do it. Maybe I'm a provocateur, but if I promise, I do it. therefore I’m not threatening anyone!

      I personally didn’t threaten anyone, I said that I hope that there will be citizens of St. Petersburg who will help to remove it, one way or another. And if those in power continue in the same spirit soon, it will come to concrete threats. They had already tried to erect a monument to Krasnov in Moscow not so long ago, since there were people who gouged him with sledgehammers. If it had been established in my city, I would have done everything in my power to prevent him from being there.
  43. natakor1949
    natakor1949 21 June 2016 17: 30
    +3
    I completely agree with the article. And it is time to prohibit, at the legislative level, the perpetuation of the names of people who have caused damage to our country. There is no place in the memory of the people for Messrs. Mannerheims, Nemtsovs, etc. liberalist renegades or even enemies. In the old days, they said: "start bringing up as soon as you put the child across the bed," then the children will know the history, and no one will ever convince them that they dug the Black Sea and dumped the Caucasus Mountains.
  44. kmv 77
    kmv 77 21 June 2016 18: 04
    +5
    If I understood the author correctly, then in the near future Poroshenko street may appear, if he "suddenly" repent as the "repentant militant" Kadyrov did?
  45. KBR109
    KBR109 21 June 2016 18: 07
    +9
    So Kadyrov has accomplished a feat. Hero. Our troops, which eight times held the bandits by the throat in 95-96. who will be? What pi..ar 8 times declared armistice and gave orders for "eternal peace and withdrawal of troops"? Who will be those who fought with this hero and died there (he remained disabled)? They are, it turns out, enemies and traitors to Russia. And the country hopes after this spit in the face to receive loyalty and patriotism from the children (grandchildren) and just good acquaintances of these people? I am nowhere logically wrong, no? It turned out to be useful to the state - the rulers bought it for amounts that Dudaev never dreamed of. Both of these figures are complex and ambiguous, but monuments to them should not be erected.
  46. sa-ag
    sa-ag 21 June 2016 18: 30
    0
    Some kind of "semi-patriotism", the desire to be good for everyone, no, saying "A" does not need to be "B"
  47. user3970
    user3970 21 June 2016 18: 43
    +9
    Regarding the Kadyrov family ... As far as I remember, Akhmat Kadyrov replaced the imam at his religious post due to the fact that the latter refused to declare jihad to Russians on the orders of Dudayev, for which he received a punishment of one hundred sticks. Regarding Ramzan ... I don’t remember that he repented or apologized to those Russians whom his father and a gang of lackeys raped, slaughtered, robbed ... By the way, didn’t they lie to repay those Russians whose debts they squeezed out of their apartments? Let him sell horses and stables in the Emirates, a car park, cut back and stop feeding my bandits, guards, on my taxes. And yet ... The eldest son of Ramzan bent over from an overdose. And he and his family are alive only as long as the gdp is in power. And so, he has too many bloodlines. and a photo for memory. Zolotov (head of the National Guard) and children. With a friend
  48. Vladimir Vladimirovich Medvedev
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Medvedev 21 June 2016 18: 54
    +1
    Then you need a plaque and Lenka Pantelkin 38 at Mozhaiskaya, he was a Chekist before banditry.
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 23 June 2016 09: 02
      0
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Medvedev
      Then you need a plaque and Lenka Pantelkin 38 at Mozhaiskaya, he was a Chekist before banditry.

      Right! After the revolution, there were many hidden criminals in the Chekists. for example, the terrorist Blumkin blew up the German ambassador and others
  49. The legacy of ancestors
    The legacy of ancestors 21 June 2016 19: 11
    +4
    Quote: kit-kat
    Kadyrov and his son are killer bandits. They themselves killed the Russians and called for them to be killed. And the fact that they went over to the side of Russia in that war is far from being a plus for them, because the usual betrayal of their own. And to these people you assign "heroes" and name streets and bridges after them. But what about Budanov? That's who the real hero is.
    Starikov disappointed.


    They sided with the Russians only because it promised them big profits.

    The only thing that can please in this news is that a war in Ukraine / Syria / Georgia / NATO is very likely and the renaming of the bridge was done in order to please the Chechens, who will also be thrown into the war and inflated in considerable quantities.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 21 June 2016 19: 40
      -1
      Do not judge without evidence. But the war in Chechnya was stopped and normal and human relations are gradually improving, as, indeed, throughout the Caucasus, and throughout our vast country.
      1. duhmorey
        duhmorey 23 June 2016 02: 29
        0
        Muslims will never "improve" relations with Russians! Come to Rostov-on-Don and see with your own eyes what they are doing here in alliance with the liberal government ...
        One should be at least a little interested in the relationship between nationalities and beliefs ... For Muslims, NOT MUSLIMS are always "not faithful ..." This is putting it mildly! So many Asians and Caucasians have come to the city that even beef has disappeared from the megamarkets ... but "kosher shops" have appeared. (if you know what it is)
        1. sherp2015
          sherp2015 23 June 2016 09: 04
          +1
          Quote: duhmorey
          Muslims will never "improve" relations with Russians! Come to Rostov-on-Don and see with your own eyes what they are doing here in alliance with the liberal government ...

          in Rostov and in the Kuban and Stavropol Territories you have not only Muslims, but also herds of Armenians have emerged from which there are even more problems
  50. Coffin Cross1
    Coffin Cross1 21 June 2016 19: 17
    0
    Puzzles, puzzles, puzzles ...
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 21 June 2016 19: 34
      0
      these puzzles are already blind and touch
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 23 June 2016 09: 07
      0
      Quote: Coffin Cross1
      Puzzles, puzzles, puzzles ...

      Without Naina, there’s no way ... Climbing all the holes