Terrorist attacks in Kazakhstan Aktobe

A spokesman for the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kazakhstan, Almas Sadubaev, reports that on the eve of a series of attacks on shops in the city of Aktobe weapons and to the military unit. As a result of the attack, three Kazakh police and military personnel and three civilians were killed. Several people, including the security of the Pallas gun shop, were injured. According to Sadubaev, four of the attackers were liquidated, another seven were detained by Kazakhstani security forces.

From the message of Almas Sadubaev:

In 14: 45, in the Department of Internal Affairs of the Aktobe region, a message was received about the attack of unknown persons on the Pallada gun shop in Aktobe. During the attack, the store salesman was killed and one person was injured. In 15: 45 it became known about the attack on another gun shop, located in the military unit of the National Guard of Kazakhstan, while repelling the attack killed an officer and one military contract soldier, nine soldiers were wounded.

Several of the wounded later died.

The authorities of the Republic of Kazakhstan qualify the events in Aktobe as terrorist acts. Akim (Mayor) of the city Berdibek Saparbayev in connection with the incident appealed to the citizens with a speech, excerpts from which leads the Kazakhstan information portal Bnews.kz:

Dear countrymen! Please be calm, a planned anti-terrorist operation is underway. I want to reassure you that the situation is under complete control, at the moment the situation is stable. The region declared a mode of anti-terrorist operation. I ask Aktobe residents to be vigilant. Those who notice suspicious personalities should be reported to the internal affairs authorities by 102 number.

In Aktobe, classes in educational institutions were canceled, kindergartens were closed, additional detachments of police special forces were transferred to the city.

According to the information portal nur.kz, militants before the attack on the military unit carried out the seizure of a shuttle bus. From the message of the Ministry of Internal Affairs confirming this information:

For an attack on a military unit, the criminals seized a shuttle bus, disembarked the driver and passengers, and then rammed the gate with a bus, where, having entered the territory, they opened indiscriminate firing.

Comments

[Dave36]

Well, we started with Kazakhstat ..

[AleksPol]

I hope that Nazarbayev is not as weak as Yanukovych will not give up. I sympathize with the citizens of Kazakhstan and the families of those killed at the hands of m.a.a.

[Vasiliev Yu]

This was already there 3-4 years ago.

[Bulrumeb]

Yes, it was in Taraz. the scenario was exactly the same.

[diver1977]

The author confused. 2 gun shops and a gun in the part of the National Guard were attacked. People died in the shops (seller, visitor, security), and in the military unit the major and sergeant are wounded, but the bearded did not reach the machine guns and were rebuffed.

[The black]

Less liberalism in front of NGOs and various foundations like Soros - that's where the orange infection rushing. The main reason for the buildup of stability is the forgiveness and humanity of Western democracy, including radical Islam.

[mojohed2012]

Rock Kazakhstan. How they tried to rock us in the Caucasus. How Ukraine was rocked in the West and then came to Kiev.
How they rocked Kyrgyzstan from year to year. How they shake Belarus, but for now with peaceful protests. How in Tajikistan the "opposition" is trying to overthrow Rakhmon and the like.
It is necessary to give a fierce rebuff and conduct total counter-sabotage work.

[Finches]

There are comrades from Kazakhstan on VO, it would be nice if they generally commented on the situation in the country, because, perhaps, fanning this and similar news by giving them a political or nationalistic color, the media deliberately pour water on the mill of the local "white tape", all Islamists suits, but in fact there is only banditry!

[Kasym]

This is the fourth armed case with bearded men (if they are). And this is the first time that someone was taken alive. Before that, they simply destroyed it - now we can even find out the motive.
And this is the second time that it started with an arms store. And why did they work on the weekend - probably the hunting season has begun ?! Presumably, now they will tighten the requirements for such stores. And one more interesting moment. In all cases, it is the siloviki who suffer most; they are the main objects of attack. Interestingly, the bus did not take anyone hostage, but simply captured. There are shots of how they release passengers. And one more interesting moment. In all cases, one youth, not older than 25 years.
The mistakes of the authorities. First. Religions were sent to teach even at the expense of the state, and even to the SA. They did not understand that there are different trends and sects. Several years ago, they realized it (when the first emergency occurred) and canceled the general education of religion abroad. Second. The Ministry of Internal Affairs began working off several years ago. And they sit in ordinary zones, thereby creating an environment for the spread of their views among the criminals. And the cops are afraid to touch them too much - they have their own "lads" at will. These should be planted in a separate area.
I would not say that we have many who are particularly "touched" by religion. Only on Fridays can you observe the revival near the mosques. There are much more of them in Central Asia - in the same Uzbekistan.

[avt]

Quote: Kasym

The mistakes of the authorities. First. Religions were sent to teach even at the expense of the state, and even to the SA. They did not understand that there are different trends and sects. Several years ago, they realized it (when the first emergency occurred) and canceled the general education of religion abroad. Second. The Ministry of Internal Affairs began working off several years ago. And they sit in ordinary zones, thereby creating an environment for the spread of their views among the criminals. And the cops are afraid to touch them too much - they have their own "lads" at will. These should be planted in a separate area.
I would not say that we have many who are particularly "touched" by religion. Only on Fridays can you observe the revival near the mosques. There are much more of them in Central Asia - in the same Uzbekistan.

I can only repeat what I wrote on another thread today

Why be surprised then? Moreover, again in the archive you can see, even BEFORE the Maidan, at the beginning of 2013 I was in disputes with Marek Rozny - there was such a character spelled out in Latin, and others, who especially carefully looked for infringement of national pride from the Imperts on the site, argued and said - guys, learn from our experience! At that time we still had the "brotherhood of peoples", but we had already won back in Pan-Slavism, so put Pan-Turkism out of your head, especially since Erdogan indulges in Ottomanism, and these are two big differences. And practically themselves! Well, they giggled in response. Of course, this is not a real fire yet - sparks. Well, "A spark will ignite a flame" if it is not extinguished in time. The biggest danger for Kazakhstan is to get to the bifurcation point. When, during the transfer of power, it suddenly seems to someone that he is deprived, but there is no strength to take the desired place and he wants to attract thugs, and even with the experience of the war in Syria, in the hope that they will do his dirty work. This will be a complete ass. Moreover, the US will finance this event with a-a-agromous joy. If they do not stop it, it will blaze so that it will fry in the neighboring national countries of the region and it will not burn us sour.

[Zymran]

Quote: Kasym

And this is the second time that it started with an arms store. And why did they work on the weekend - probably the hunting season has begun ?! Presumably, now they will tighten the requirements for such stores. And one more interesting moment. In all cases, it is the siloviki who suffer most; they are the main objects of attack. Interestingly, the bus did not take anyone hostage, but simply captured. There are shots of how they release passengers. And one more interesting moment. In all cases, one youth, not older than 25 years.

There is nothing surprising, given how the cops press religious. However, it’s good that normal people (civilians) are not touched.

[Dali]

Quote: Finches

, it would be nice if they generally commented on the situation in the country

By the way, yes, it would be very nice ... otherwise at one time there was a sea of ​​information that in Kazakhstan all kinds of extremist Muslim organizations proliferated, and such as "not very" extremist, but associated with various murky Arab office organizations.

[russian redut]

We will support the Kazakhstan leader and the Kazakh people in this difficult time. Patience and wisdom! Fucking terrarids burn with hell in the USA!

[avvg]

It is necessary to stop it harshly, not to stand on ceremony with criminals and immediately terrorists must be cut to the root.

[sl22277]

Only destroy. Everything is simple, the fewer terrorists walking on the earth, the calmer the world immediately.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Nazarbayev, look at Yanukovych ...

[diver1977]

What does Nazarbayev have to do with it? What does Yanukovych have to do with it? What kind of nonsense?
Here, the case specifically concerns the Wahhabis; immediately special forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and all the security forces were introduced. The worst-case scenario has been averted, now those who hid are caught. They took a lot alive - they talk, do not hesitate.

PS Before you write from the principle "just to write and get" likes "- think, please!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

[quote] [quote = diver1977] What does Nazarbayev have to do with it? What does Yanukovych have to do with it? What kind of nonsense?
[/ quote] Well, apparently, despite the fact that he is the president of the country where the fuss begins ... and Yanukovych is just an example of how you can end your reign if you softly respond to the intrigues of terrorists. (and they were given such a definition of power) .- it's you Do you think it is nonsense? [quote = diver1977] PS Before you write from the principle "just to write and get" likes "- please think! [/ quote]
I didn't know that for you, you need to chew everything and put it in your mouth ... but about the "likes" - I don't care, you can take everything for yourself, if it is of paramount importance for you ...

[diver1977]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Yanukovych is just an example of how you can end your reign if you gently react to the machinations of terrorists. (And they were given this definition of power) .- Do you think this is nonsense?

Yes, I think so. Already something, but do not look for softness in us. No. Everything will be extremely tough, do not worry.
The expert opinion on Kazakhstan is from a person who was not close to us and does not know the realities ... Andrei Yuryevich, let's write about what we know, not stupid conjectures.

[TRex]

What does Nazarbayev have to do with it, you say ... Three years ago I visited Kazakhstan, rested on the lakes. So - I was on a trip to Astana, the capital of the country (formerly Akmole, earlier simply Tselinograd). The center seems to be like Astana, but the outskirts are still Tselinograd.
Our guide, a young, beautiful Kazakh woman, enthusiastically showed new, beautiful mosques built with the money of sponsors from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and someone else. That is, these same jihadist terrorists from the 90-ies were brought up and trained with the help of these same sponsors.
Now Sbshniki RK tear their hair in one place, and it was necessary to work with clients early. When money and personnel from there flowed into the country ...
I do not exclude the possibility that in the vast, sparsely populated territory of the country there are camps with ready-made militant units, which may be thousands and thousands.
Overslept Nazarbayev. Bought on mosques and cookies ...

[diver1977]

Quote: TRex

I do not exclude the possibility that in the vast, sparsely populated territory of the country there are camps with ready-made militant units, which may be thousands and thousands.
Overslept Nazarbayev. Bought on mosques and cookies ...

I am surprised and am laughing with you.
On the basis of one trip to draw such ambitious conclusions ...
We have mosques, some built with the money of foreign donors. But. Islam in Kazakhstan was before the construction of mosques. And since it already exists, it’s more correct to build mosques and, according to state control, to watch what and how is being done in the world of Islam, then to pick out all the currents and directions that flow as you please.
There are two such large mosques in Astana. There are smaller ones, I can list. But the problem is not in mosques. You were not there and do not know, but on the contrary they constantly call for peace, friendship and humility. There is ordinary Islam, traditional. Bearded climb from completely different slots.
And about the training camps - I doubt it very much. The territory, although vast, but essentially hide a camp - is impossible, in my personal opinion. Find and hello.

[TRex]

You know, Diver ... I sincerely wish the Kazakh people peace and tranquility. But events are developing in a completely different direction. I think that there is a large jihadist underground in the country, which is managed and financed from abroad.
May God grant your law enforcement agencies to be able to stop this process in time, so that the tires do not catch fire on the streets of Astana.
I myself live in 200 km from the border and still want to go on vacation to your beautiful Blue Lakes, to peaceful, friendly Kazakhstan.

[mojohed2012]

Really. There is no question of an analogy with Yanukovych.
Here, most likely, either the ISIS cell or some other extremist organization, the group tried:
1. Grab weapons in 2's gun stores.
2. Distribute the weapons seized in weapons stores to members of the organized crime group, who did not have them at the time the attacks began.
3. Armed with this, we went to the military unit and tried to get military weapons to replace and in addition to hunting weapons for military operations in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the special forces of Kazakhstan.
But:
1. They, even with the victims, were rebuffed.
2. The Kazakhs quickly introduced special forces and reinforcements.
3. Quickly launched countermeasures and began to localize terrorists, surround / drive into corners. Correctly and quickly / professionally (I hope) carried out reconnaissance and analysis of the location, forces, means and intentions of the terrorists.
4. Conducted power operations on identified groups.
All this led to large-scale anti-terrorist operation for today.
God forbid the Kazakhs quickly and without further sacrifices to clean up the region and good luck to them.

[Gorinich]

Plus, this is not a terrorist act like in Europe. I draw your attention to the fact that the act was not directed against the population, but to seize weapons. This is evidenced by the behavior: fighters, when grabbing a minibus, dropped off driver and passengers.

[341712]

Quote: Gorinich

Gorinich (1) Today, 09: 12 ↑ New
Plus, this is not a terrorist act like in Europe. I draw your attention to the fact that the act was not directed against the population, but to seize weapons. This is evidenced by the behavior: the militants, when capturing the minibus, dropped off the driver and passengers.

Not guys ... Very similar to reconnaissance in force .... carried out this action - "meat", moreover, it is stupid, formatted. If the task was to organize wide and long-term databases, then the weapons would be different and the performers would be different ...
Nazarbayev is hinted at ...

[dauria]

Very similar to reconnaissance in battle.

Yes, this is most true. Studied the reaction of the population and the preparedness of the authorities. And such a seizure of the company’s gunsmith for "conducting hostilities" (a hundred Kalash and a pair of horns each) would be bought on the market, it would be easier.

[Zymran]

Quote: dauria

And such a seizure of the company's gunsmith for "conducting combat operations" (a hundred Kalash and a pair of horns) would be bought on the market, it's easier

We have net trading. Buy a machine or tank is a big problem in Kazakhstan.

[alicante11]

Not guys ... It is very similar to reconnaissance in force .... carried out this action - "meat", moreover, stupid,

Well, it’s not like reconnaissance in battle. The point is in such intelligence? To alert security officials and call countermeasures in advance? Also not like the action of terrorists. Those would drive into the military unit on a hostage bus or blow up a bus at a checkpoint and break into the territory under the guise.
More like an action by some youth organization "Strelkov's witnesses". Too naive and disorganized. But, in fact, if they did everything in their mind, the situation could get out of control. For example, the action was carried out in the morning or better evening rush hour, ensuring the blocking of highways with traffic jams, knocking out several dozen cars on the roads. They would have had more time to carry out the action. It would simply take longer for the siloviki to get there. They did not attack the military unit, but the police stations, which also have automatic weapons.

[Same lech]

So far, much is unclear in the events that have taken place.
What was that?
Intelligence by battle?
Who is the customer and organizer?
What is the ultimate goal?
Why is this promotion selected right now?
In any case, it is obvious that this was a controlled process and now it is necessary to find out where the strings of this armed raid lead.
It’s a pity that people are dying ... someone wants to launch the infernal machine of the bloody meat grinder of war in KAZAKHSTAN ...
God forbid ... because it will inevitably affect us.

[Ruswolf]

To attack the military unit, the criminals seized a shuttle bus, dropped off the driver and passengers and then a bus rammed the gate, where, having penetrated the territory, opened indiscriminate firing.

Strange polite some terrorists .....
Usually terrorists plan. Again, the attack is aimed at intimidation (wording on anti-terror) to achieve certain goals.
And then they attacked the store. Obviously hunting (they do not sell military weapons in Kazakhstan at retail, even if the store is also in the territory of a military unit).
Rammed the gates of the military guard of the National Guard, opened fire .... Either stoned or debel ....

[Vasiliev Yu]

As for the military unit, it’s Sunday, do not plan the same attack on weekdays, when there are all assembled servicemen.
And the gates were ramming, it was a question, it was possible to cut out the checkpoint under the guise of the parents of military personnel, open the gates and calmly without firing in the first minutes, disperse to the right places.

[mojohed2012]

Right Clumsy somehow attacked the military. Sorry for the soldiers, but at least they didn’t get the weapons in the desired quantity.
It feels like they are not local. Because "usually", local criminals / fraudsters / members of local organized crime groups, who have been in the region since the 90s, would already (probably) have both machine guns and machine guns and a bunch of other things through shady channels.
And then brazenly, and openly and stupidly ahead, they piled on the shops, then on the part.
Explicitly planned spontaneously and by a person (leader / leaders) not military or experienced.
The calculation, apparently, was that Aktobe (formerly Aktyubinsk) is not a very large city, it has limited Interior Ministry forces, etc.
But then why, since it is "sort of like" ISIS or extremists - did they set ambushes on security officials? Didn't they take the ATC into the fire bag and so on? Entrances and exits from the city were not taken under fire control?
Obviously - amateurs or hoped for a chance.

[Sly]

Quote: Ruswolf

Rammed the gates of the military guard of the National Guard, opened fire .... Either stoned or debel.

Well, here the scheme is understandable: they seized weapons in weapons stores for the whole gang and moved to storm the arsenal of the military unit to capture more serious weapons, and then apparently they should have gone to the bottom, but the military unit did not work.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Sly

seized weapons in weapons stores for the whole gang and moved to storm the military arsenal to capture more serious weapons, and then

to Baikonur!

[Vasiliev Yu]

Quote: Pinky F.

Quote: Sly

seized weapons in weapons stores for the whole gang and moved to storm the military arsenal to capture more serious weapons, and then

to Baikonur!

Amateurs amused you. Maybe they really had plans to capture the galaxy. Who knows their ... crayfish.

[guznorodov]

Interestingly, it was planned so or improvised for good luck, what happens. Sucks their intelligence. To steal such a large number of militants.

[Ruswolf]

guznorodov
Interestingly, it was planned so or improvised for good luck, what happens. Sucks their intelligence. To steal such a large number of militants.

There is generally turbidity, and therefore missed. Rather, it is not a terrorist attack. They broke into the territory of a military unit, just to get to the store. Already something, but terrorists would have no problems with weapons. Again, committing a terrorist attack to seize the weapons of their retail store is utter nonsense.
Weapons for tasks are acquired in quiet. And here is a terrorist attack.
Therefore, no one has missed them. This case cannot be attributed to a terrorist attack.

[diver1977]

Exactly. I wonder how it is possible in such a crowd of bearded people not to have implemented employees. In theory, they should have already replaced all of them at the preparation stage. I hope now they will!

[marshes]

Quote: diver1977

Exactly. I wonder how it is possible in such a crowd of bearded people not to have implemented employees. In theory, they should have already replaced all of them at the preparation stage. I hope now they will!

How to introduce them there, everyone knows each other, and they grew up in one place. Yes, and the average age is 23-25 ​​years.
These groups are mainly divided into fives; no one knows other groups besides the leader of the five.
It is very difficult to enter the special services of your person.
Conclusion one goat-bearded short-sleeved pants immediately close like in Uzbekistan.

[Mig-31]

Quote: AleksPol

I hope that Nazarbayev is not as weak as Yanukovych will not give up. I sympathize with the citizens of Kazakhstan and the families of those killed at the hands of m.a.a.

And our Nazarbayev, in spite of everything, is talked about by the Saudis, Qatars and Turks as sponsors of terrorists.

[Humpty]

Quote: Mig-31

And our Nazarbayev, in spite of everything, is talked about by the Saudis, Qatars and Turks as sponsors of terrorists.

And also kisses the gums with the Americans, providing them with direct assistance in creating one of the most barbaric types of WMD, not far from the airport of your city.
If you don’t know how dangerous the activity that the Pentagon is engaged in in Alma-Ata can be, then ask the Yekaterinburg residents - Sverdlovchan, they will be able to tell how it happens.

[Humpty]

Sincerely condolences to the relatives of the victims.

Quote: Dave36

Well, we started with Kazakhstat ..

A word, something that needs to be carefully, we are not American diplomats all the same, to distort the names of states.
Why it started, it continued. Only more often than not, Kazakh and Kazakh terrorists are destroyed outside borders. In the Near and Middle East, in one of the countries neighboring with Kazakhstan. The position - to delegate powers to destroy their terrorists to other countries does not seem well thought out. The tragedy that happened is a confirmation of this.
The laudatory articles paid all over the world about a happy life and a successful economy do not particularly help to deal with real challenges that are a direct result of Kazakhstan’s internal policy, deliberate Islamization and de-Russification. However, Nazarbayev is not original in this regard.

[Arkan]

intentional Islamization and de-Russification. However, Nazarbayev is not the original in this regard.

It has always been there, especially in the south, in fact, he, the khan, is himself from an older zhuz.

[Humpty]

Quote: Arkan

It has always been there, especially in the south, in fact, he, the khan, is himself from an older zhuz.

It’s easy to get confused which of which hundreds occurs outside of Kazakhstan outside of Kazakhstan. In the 19th century, when the Kazakhs were still Kyrgyz, they believed that there were 300 of them. Then, after the census of the population of the Russian Empire, by the way extremely inaccurate, it turned out that in any case much more.
And Kazakhstan is clearly visible to me from the window, even at night. You look to the left - for a hundred kilometers there are lights, to the right too. You look directly - there are 20 kilometers of lights, then it is dark, where it is dark - Kazakhstan. There is electricity, but just few people live there.
It is hoped that they will catch the participants of the attack as well as those who sympathize with them as soon as possible.

[smsk]

Organized and really not very, they could not get weapons before the attacks, apparently not experienced young people. They feel the situation and the actions of organs. In the event of an attack by mercenaries with combat experience, both automatic weapons and snipers will appear. Again, a signal to the leadership of Kazakhstan

[Vita vko]

criminals seized a shuttle bus, dropped off a driver and passengers

If these were real terrorists, they would hide behind a human shield when attacking a military unit. Either these are "wrong terrorists" or is it obvious corruption and incompetence of the security forces, which are simply hiding behind the intrigues of international terrorists at a time when the Kazakh oligarchic clans plunged the country into poverty and unemployment.

Quote: smsk

They feel the situation and the actions of organs.

If this is just reconnaissance in battle, then obviously it was a success, and if the snickering authorities lie, will they be able to oppose something.

[Zhar2012]

Vita. So you argue so well. It’s straight like expensive, about snickering, etc. But you don’t understand that ordinary people are dying there, the same employees, warriors who are against the external enemy, and the bearded hit in the back. Fortunately, we did well and were able to fight back. The video shows that there is only one group of almost 20 people, and there were so many. After the gun shop, the police only with PM against hunting rifles and other weapons. The gunsmiths know what hunting weapons are and what they are. They held with almost bare hands, then they distributed the machines. You know that our police are mostly unarmed. They do not aim people to shoot and practical unarmed detention is carried out. And you .... well done guys that the military that the police. We got up and did not miss further. On their own, restrained and scattered. Respect to you men and respect.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Zahar2012

ordinary people die there, the same employees, warriors who are against the external enemy, and in the back the bearded hit

Ordinary people always die and almost always it is always a consequence of the mistakes of the state leadership and its special services. Even external intervention cannot justify a surprise attack. The question immediately arises, where was the recently created foreign intelligence service, the GRU, the KNB, hundreds of thousands of MVDs and other security forces?

[alicante11]

If this is just reconnaissance in battle, then obviously it was a success, and if the snickering authorities lie, will they be able to oppose something.

And what else needs to be opposed? As I understand it, the attack on the military unit is frustrated, part of the militants destroyed, part taken alive. Now they will be untwisted and caught all remaining at large.

[Almatinets]

we are reaping the fruits of large-scale local corruption, the degradation of education from endless reforms, and a lack of prospects for young people. Here the "preachers" reap the benefits, at first they provide material support, along the way explain who is to blame for such a bad life and how to deal with it, as a result, a ready-made "bearded man"

[Arkan]

reaping the fruits of widespread local corruption,

Bakshish is booming. What a bribe is a little bauble, a gift.

[Zhar2012]

Hey Almaty man with the American flag. Unpromising from the country the flag of which you yourself have stuck a flag. From there they support all these religious fanatics and they take materials from sites at the end of which com addresses. Corruption is everywhere in the United States; it is worse and is still involved in the blood and suffering of other nations. Example: Oh, someone wants to take our oil tower from Texos. Well, to their friends in the Pentagon and the Senate. And now the anti-democratic regime of planes and bombs, corpses and the country in ruins, but the lobby with money and the company with raw materials. A curtain. Maybe I'm glad that we do not have such corruption. And preachers with US money and ISIS itself, where does it come from? Did the Kazakhs invent themselves and rock their own country? So the pseudo Almaty man does not need to write like that.
The British have a good saying: Good or bad, but this is my country. These are golden words, everything else from behind the hill is gov. ..o and whining of enemies.

[Vasiliev Yu]

As for the flag, do not strain, for example, for me they constantly change, it makes no sense to pay attention to it.

[Tim]

Quote: diver1977

Exactly. I wonder how it is possible in such a crowd of bearded people not to have implemented employees. In theory, they should have already replaced all of them at the preparation stage. I hope now they will!

If they do it very well, it's high time, but in general my acquaintances who in recent years after traveling to Aktobe (Aktyubinsk) say that there are a lot of Islamists there.

[avg-mgn]

We can conclude - in Kazakhstan, to the honor of the security forces, there is a famine of weapons, despite the fact that it would seem possible to train anyone from the neighbors. One thing is not comforting - the shaitans are raising their heads there, but Nazarbayev is not easy, and he will not allow to fill up the country.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: avg-mgn

but Nazarbayev is not easy, and he will not let the country fill up.

grandfather is already old, picks up a successor. No wonder he was going to edit the Constitution.

[silverwolf88]

But this is very dangerous ... we are neighbors ... the borders are open and the flow of militants to Russia is quite possible ... In this particular context, you need to provide all the necessary assistance to Kazakhstan based on the interests of Russia in a stable neighbor / ally ... The reasons are difficult and for a long time ... from the internal struggle of the clans ... domestic nationalism (and it was and was under the USSR in all the republics) ... to deliberately shattering the power from the outside, including with the participation of radical Islamists ...

[Humpty]

Quote: silberwolf88

provide all necessary assistance to Kazakhstan based on the interests of Russia

Which one else? Can it help, as Kazakhstan usually does in such cases?
Namely, to block the border and the entire trade message for 1,5 months, deport all citizens of Kazakhstan, except diplomats, and puff out their cheeks. And after 1,5 months of the blockade, start a long-term trade war ...

Quote: silberwolf88

in a stable neighbor / ally ...

Indeed, to whom - grandmother, to whom - mother-in-law.

[killganoff]

Arms store in the territory of the military unit?! .. Maybe they attacked the ammunition depot?

[costa_cs]

The author confused. The attacks were on 2 gun stores, and then after capturing the bus on a military unit.

[arsenks]

If our valiant Kazakhstani police worked honestly for the state, this would hardly have happened. It is important for all employees of law enforcement agencies to fill their own pockets; in the police, such corruption is the result. But thinking in connection with this fact they will be taught to love the Motherland, not money ...

[Arkan]

The Americans allotted several billion dollars for the development of democracy in Central Asia. Money reached the addressees and the democrats came. A lot of victims among people in uniform. The situation must be controlled.

[diver1977]

What kind of democratizers are there? Bearded Wahabbit Salafis. Here, rather, the hand of ISIS (banned in the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan) and the Saudis.

[Ros 56]

But this is already bad news, and it’s not very far from us, about 150 km, I have been there many times, formerly called the city of Aktyubinsk. We will see what's next.

[Ruswolf]

Regardless of what it was, in fact, a terrorist attack or a gop-stop (wide scale), we’ll be full that there will be no continuation. And everything will be as it should be in a normal state.
Ice cream for children, Flowers for women, Old people honor ... and Bastards - BULL!

[South Kazakh]

Good afternoon!

terrorists operating in Kazakhstan have several differences from "international terrorists":
1. they do not have external management because of the mound, as well as funding. Therefore, their actions are more like an armed robbery than a terrorist attack. There is also no clear planning of "operations".
2. they do not have connections and support among the underworld in their habitat, so there are no serious automatic weapons. It is simply not sold by businessmen of all kinds to "bearded men".
3. They have no support or sympathies among the population, for this reason they have nowhere to hide after such terrorist attacks. all these homegrown terrorists come from their distant poor villages, and as soon as such a terrorist manages to get a good job, he forgets about his "brothers in faith and arms."

All such actions are a gesture of despair, since the KNB (KGB) and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of such "irresponsible" are closely patronized and in every possible way spoil the life of such persons. Because of this, all terrorist attacks are directed against the police and people in uniform, there has not yet been a single terrorist attack against the population.

Aktobe (formerly Aktyubinsk) -western Kazakhstan is a hotbed of Wahhabism in the republic, nowhere else has it been so entrenched as in Aktobe. All these Wahhabis, having no support from the population and from outside, driven by law enforcement agencies, are forced to sit out almost in the bare steppe in mud huts on bread and water. therefore, all that they can do is to organize such suicidal stupid actions. It’s a pity only the innocent victims.

For about 2 months, law enforcement agencies have been carrying out an enhanced regime of service, patrols have been strengthened in all regional centers and large cities, special forces are always at the "start", all the necessary equipment, just in case, is not jammed ...

[Pinkie F.]

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1. they do not have external control

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2. they have no connections and support among the criminal world

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3. they do not have support or sympathy among the population

in short, some gopniks are unsystematic. Why won't their district officer disperse them?

[avt]

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1. they do not have external management due to the hill as well as financing.

"You wouldn't have pictures, chief, ... You should write books ..."

How then do your FAMILIES from Kazakhstan go to Syria?

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Therefore, their actions are more like an armed robbery than a terrorist attack. There is also no clear planning of "operations".

Two gun shops and a military unit? And then what is planned? The capture of the palace of ANAS - no less? It is rather more like a false start - the hot ones broke for arms.

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they do not have connections and support among the criminal world in the habitat, so there is no serious automatic weapon.

Yah!

Oh, these tales! Oh, these storytellers!

Learn from our experience - radicals perfectly master the criminal environment and milk money for "jihad" from hucksters and the more hucksters go into the shadows with business, the more successfully they are milked.

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... they have no support or sympathies among the population, for this reason they have nowhere to hide after such terrorist attacks. all these homegrown terrorists come from their distant poor villages, and as soon as such a terrorist manages to get a good job, he forgets about his "brothers in faith and arms."

On the other hand, the "brothers" do not forget and do not be under the delusion of the "sleeping" - at the very first mass unrest they radicalize the protest. Still don't believe me? Look at Ukraine in dynamics since the beginning of the Maidan.

[South Kazakh]

1.Facts please provide for Kazakh families with tourists traveling to the UAR !?
2. Indicate what happened to these families !?
3. TWO WEAPONS STORES were robbed and could not use these weapons ... there were enough barrels and ammunition to arm a couple of platoons! Where are they!? to rush with a hunting weapon into a part of the internal troops !? This is despite the fact that the second month the part is on its feet in connection with the EXPECTED disturbances !? Do you have in Russia that the armory and ammunition depots are located somewhere on the edge that you can drive up to it and gut it on the bus !?
this is a bunch of dalbo..bov and not terrorists .....
if you want to buy a barrel on the black market, you can, but this crowd of idiots chose to storm the military unit ... what tactical planning can we talk about !?

while in the republic such terrorists for the state can not worry.
I repeat sorry only those who died from these idiots. IMANDA BOLSYN!

[avt]

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1.Facts please provide for Kazakh families with tourists traveling to the UAR !?

What tourists? I wrote about tourists? Look for and find, quite for yourself a few years ago, before the arrival of the Russian Aerospace Forces, even on TV, we showed a report from the territory of the Free Syrian Army, and also a year ago there was information that the north was also populated by the Uighurs. is it a revelation that there are tens of thousands of immigrants from the USSR and not only from the Caucasus fighting?

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Indicate what happened to these families !?

And you somehow follow your own, without us and Mperts

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TWO WEAPONS STORES were robbed and could not use these weapons ... there were enough barrels and ammunition to arm a couple of platoons! Where are they!? to rush with a hunting weapon into a part of the internal troops !? This despite the fact that the second month, the part is on its feet in connection with the EXPECTED disturbances !?

Try it firstly - to search and find HOW in the west of Ukraine Natsik got weapons in the regional departments and units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs VV; Secondly, read carefully

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It is rather more like a false start - the hot ones broke for arms.

They broke ahead of time, but that was exactly what happened in Ukraine and, God forbid, it could happen to you.

[Vasiliev Yu]

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1. they do not have external management due to the hill as well as financing.

"You wouldn't have pictures, chief, ... You should write books ..."

How then do your FAMILIES from Kazakhstan go to Syria?

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Therefore, their actions are more like an armed robbery than a terrorist attack. There is also no clear planning of "operations".

Two gun shops and a military unit? And then what is planned? The capture of the palace of ANAS - no less? It is rather more like a false start - the hot ones broke for arms.

Quote: South Kazakh

they do not have connections and support among the criminal world in the habitat, so there is no serious automatic weapon.

Yah!

Oh, these tales! Oh, these storytellers!

Learn from our experience - radicals perfectly master the criminal environment and milk money for "jihad" from hucksters and the more hucksters go into the shadows with business, the more successfully they are milked.

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... they have no support or sympathies among the population, for this reason they have nowhere to hide after such terrorist attacks. all these homegrown terrorists come from their distant poor villages, and as soon as such a terrorist manages to get a good job, he forgets about his "brothers in faith and arms."

On the other hand, the "brothers" do not forget and do not be under the delusion of the "sleeping" - at the very first mass unrest they radicalize the protest. Still don't believe me? Look at Ukraine in dynamics since the beginning of the Maidan.

Dontsova, get lost.
Fantasies often lead you into your fantasies. Before letting others know that they don’t know a damn thing, maybe you should wait for an official investigation first? You are not aware that Alien guesses are no worse than yours? Or are you one last instance of truth?

[avt]

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Fantasies often lead you into your fantasies. Before letting others know that they don’t know a damn thing, maybe you should wait for an official investigation first? You are not aware that Alien guesses are no worse than yours? Or are you one last instance of truth?

Envy takes that the mind is not enough to write something like that, but just put emoticons and generally cormorant off topic? Well, your will - you can’t put a scarf on each mouth. Just somehow train in variety. I will not discuss it - there’s nothing, well, at least I’ll be glad that you can write more meaningful texts on the topic, well, voice your own, and even with a capital letter

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Someone else's guesses are no worse than yours

Well, guesses are something on the subject - neighing all of Mongolia. And then only

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maybe you should wait for an official investigation first?

Amused, just like Vadik Karasev from the Ruins on our TV.

[Zhar2012]

I am surprised by the comments of my fellow countrymen. They are beginning to hait everyone, but let's remember those who did their duty to the last. As long as the act of people is our country, as soon as they disappear, then everything .... write horrible. Today is the first day of the Muslim fast of Oraz, a time of peace and forgiveness, but not all creatures sit quietly. And between us and the mad dog and the supposedly adherents of pure and precisely Islam of Ahlisunna al Jamagat, ordinary policemen stood up. It is necessary to remember their memory and the army men who did not allow the bandits to the warehouses. If not for them, there would have been more victims. And the Wahhabis and Salafis showed that they are not real Muslims, they have a different god, as it is said in one book "your god is the devil." No further comments.

[costa_cs]

Fair remark!
Imanda Bolsyn to all those who died at the post until the end of their duty, as well as those who had the misfortune to get in the way of these scum!

[Pinkie F.]

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And the Wahhabis and Salafists showed that they are not real Muslims, they have a different god,

which of them is more real - let the Theosophists and other manipulators sort it out in order to ram the brains of the adepts. Most of these subtleties do not care. It is unlikely that an average person, seeing a TV picture with Muslim heads cut off, will wonder whether they are "real" or "wrong." We are shown a bloodthirsty bearded herd in Syria / Iraq and are convinced that it simply misread the Koran.

[Humpty]

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And the Wahhabis and Salafis have shown that they are not real Muslims, they have a different god, as it is said in one book "your god is the devil". No further comments.

But Soviet sources claim that Wahhabism is one of several areas of faith that the spiritual leaders of the Sunnis officially recognize as true.
Therefore, I have deep doubts about the public benefit of secular Islam propaganda.
But something needs to be done, how many Islamic clergy who fought with the radicals have died from terrorists ...
Religious disputes are insoluble. That is faith, there can be no compromise in it.

[avg-mgn]

I don’t know how the Kazakhs commemorate their victims, it was not necessary. We must pay the guys who died a debt.
Remember in our ...

[costa_cs]

https://www.nur.kz/1150703-ochevidcy-v-dvukh-rayonakh-aktobe-snova-b.html
Current setting

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

and no one asked why this "event" took place in the north next to Russia, and not in the south where the Islamists are closer and the Russian population is smaller

[Pinkie F.]

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and no one asked why this "event" took place in the north next to Russia, and not in the south where the Islamists are closer and the Russian population is smaller

not. Why?

[Zymran]

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not. Why?

Because among the southerners, contrary to popular belief, there are few extremists. Extremists are almost always neophytes, and southerners have for centuries been more religious than others and it is more difficult to persuade them to non-traditional interpretations of Islam than wild people from the west.

Here is a brief overview from a local expert https://regnum.ru/news/accidents/2141096.html

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

this is purely my opinion, but it’s easier to draw Russia into the conflict if it’s good

[Pinkie F.]

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it’s easier to drag Russia into the conflict

what to draw into? How will Russia be drawn into an internal conflict in KZ?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

stupid question
and how the Russian Federation dragged into the conflict

[Pinkie F.]

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and how the Russian Federation dragged into the conflict

ah, throw them Girkin and get involved?

[Vasiliev Yu]

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and how the Russian Federation dragged into the conflict

ah, throw them Girkin and get involved?

Witty. He laughed heartily.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Do you know any other surnames?
By the way, how do you think, if the Islamists break into ANY of the republics of the SA to power, what will they do with the Russian population?
this is not Ukraine, yelling fell fat or glory to Bandera you can’t get rid of the rage is very different

[Pinkie F.]

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By the way, how do you think, if the Islamists break into ANY of the republics of the SA to power, what will they do with the Russian population?

the same as with the rest, not Russian. Do you propose to push the boundaries for this?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

the problem is that ethnic hatred will still be added to religious hatred, which is now being heated in Kazakhstan

[Pinkie F.]

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the national one will be added, which is now being heated in the Republic of Kazakhstan

And what do we contrast this heating?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Unfortunately, as well as in Ukraine, nothing, in fact we’ll shit

[avt]

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and no one asked why this "event" took place in the north next to Russia, and not in the south where the Islamists

Well, his own lying just like that will stir up it for no apparent reason? That's the rookery that would lie down.

[marshes]

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and no one asked why this "event" took place in the north next to Russia, and not in the south where the Islamists are closer and the Russian population is smaller

So not the first time there in Aktobe and the Islamists there in more than the south. Nearby are Dagestan and the Astrakhan region.
Given the poverty of the population, it is a very rich region.
IMHO. In the 90s it was very much criminalized. Their "bosses" got into "religion", as they say, "they do not live according to concepts."
And financing, theft of oil and the protection of drug trafficking. Familiar.

[Zymran]

Have you heard of the swamps about Tuleshov? Things are becoming more wonderful ...

[marshes]

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Have you heard of the swamps about Tuleshov? Things are becoming more wonderful.

I heard another "boss", but one thing is strange, judging by the biography in which structures he was and with whom he communicated ... many questions arise.
The investigation and the court are closed.

Place of work in public organizations:
2007-2011 - Vice President of the Asian Continental Boxing Federation (FAAB);
2007-2011 - Chairman of the Committee of the International Boxing Federation (AIBA);
2008 -2011 - Chairman of the Expert Council on Economic Cooperation of Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus of the Committee on Economic Policy and Entrepreneurship of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of the 5th convocation;
2008-2011 - Chairman of the Expert Council on Religion and Public Organizations of the CIS Countries of the Committee for Commonwealth of Independent States Affairs and Relations with Compatriots of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of the 5th convocation;
Since 2008 - Advisor to the Supreme Ataman of the Union of Cossack Public Associations of Kazakhstan on strengthening allied relations with Russia, Russian and Cossack national-cultural public organizations of the Commonwealth of Independent States;
Since 2009 - Advisor and Plenipotentiary Representative of the Republican Public Association "Russian Community" of Kazakhstan
Since 2010 - Correspondent of the journal “Asymmetric threats and conflicts of low intensity”;
Since 2011 - President of the Shanshygyly Public Foundation;
Since 2012 - Director of the Central Asian direction of the "Center for the Analysis of Terrorist Threats and Conflicts of Low Intensity";
Since 2013 - Head of the Representative Office in the Republic of Kazakhstan of the “Center for the Analysis of Terrorist Threats and Conflicts of Low Intensity”;
Since 2013 - Special Correspondent of the journal "Asymmetric Threats and Conflicts of Low Intensity";
Since 2014 - Plenipotentiary Representative of the Union of Russian Journalists in the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Central Asian states of the CIS;
Since 2014 - Vice - President of the Interregional Charitable Fund for Assisting Members of Various Religious Denominations “Islam and Peace”;
Since 2014 - Chairman of the Board of the public association "Udeu-Orleu"
Membership in scientific, public, political associations, unions, etc.
Since 2007 - Member of the People's Democratic Party "NurOtan";
Since 2012 - Member of the International Union of Journalists; Member of the Union of Journalists of Russia;
Since 2012 - Member of the Eurasian Academy of Television and Radio;
Since 2013 - Member of the Free Economic Society of Russia.

http://tvk-uko.kz/2016/01/30/6988/

[Zymran]

It is interesting that vatan was appointed the switchman. And even more interestingly, his biography begins with the 2007 of the year. By the way, they even managed to blame him for the Aktobe events, but on time they removed the info about it.

[Semurg]

Vatanian Tuleshov probably strongly hoped for the "northern roof" and forgot the old truth that he had to share for this and staged a demonstrative pogrom. Kyzim sagan aytamyn, kelin sen oylan.

[smsk]

and no one asked why this "event" took place in the north next to Russia, and not in the south where the Islamists are closer and the Russian population is smaller

Aktobe is a large transport hub (west-east, south-north, Russia-Asia), all infection flies here. Plus, social stratification is pronounced, a region rich in oil with extreme corruption and poverty. In general, everything is natural.

[ishty]

While more like amateur performances of the local population. We’ll wait for the official investigation.

[vnord]

"And they sit in the usual zones, thereby creating an environment for the spread of their views among the criminals. And the cops are afraid to touch them especially - they have their own" lads "at will. They should be planted in a separate zone." And we have the same rake.

[gur4enk]

It’s a pity for the dead!