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Poroshenko's statement about the production of "Mriya" looks like a pure fantasy

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Poroshenko's statement about the production of "Mriya" looks like a pure fantasyThe ambitious task posed by Petro Poroshenko — to restore in Ukraine the production of the Anya-225 Mriya aircraft developed in the USSR has little to do with reality. Even if Ukraine suddenly finds the huge money needed for such a project, there are many other obstacles that make Poroshenko’s statement look like sheer political demagogy.

President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko set the task for the Antonov aircraft concern to study the possibility of producing the Mriya An-225 aircraft developed in the USSR (the largest super-heavy transport jet aircraft in the world) and the An-70 cargo aircraft, which can be used as a military aircraft transport and operational-tactical aircraft.

"Mriya" in a single copy, which in itself will cost half a billion dollars, not counting the cost of restoring production. What will Ukraine do next? ”

“Today we saw the possibility of building another Mriya An-225, we have the hull of the unique An-70 aircraft, I set the task to calculate all the possibilities, carefully study the market and report to me on the possibility of completing these symbolic airplanes,” Poroshenko said. speaking at an event dedicated to the 70 anniversary of the Antonov enterprise.

Recall that in January of this year, by the decision of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine (which at that time was still headed by Arseniy Yatsenyuk), the Antonov aircraft concern was liquidated, and its assets were transferred to the Ukroboronprom state concern. As experts noted, it seems that the Kiev authorities intend to control the work of aircraft plants in this way, for example, in terms of suppressing cooperation with Russia. However, such control calls into question the very possibility of the existence of the Ukrainian aviation industry, which was created as part of the all-Union aviation industry.

So, in the 2000-ies it was reported that the An-70 aircraft should be made jointly with Russia, but in April 2014, the “post-day” government of Ukraine announced the termination of military-technical cooperation with the Russian Federation. As a result, the production of An-70 was stopped.

As for the An-225 "Mriya" (translated from Ukrainian - "Dream"), now only one of these aircraft is in flying condition and operated by the Ukrainian company Antonov Airlines.

Without "Burana"


“Mriya” is a rather specific aircraft, ”Maxim Pyadushkin, managing director of the Air Transport Observer magazine, reminded the VZGLYAD newspaper comments. - An-225 was created with only one task - to carry the Soviet "Burans".

The main purpose of the heavy transport aircraft in the framework of the Buran reusable spacecraft project was the transportation of various components of the launch vehicle and the spacecraft from the production and assembly site to the launch site. It is obvious that in Ukraine such tasks simply do not exist.
We add that the largest aircraft in the world participated in the “Soviet shuttle” program only partially - An-225 transported the Buran to the Le Bourget air show 1989 of the year and made several demonstration flights to Baikonur on the eve of the collapse of the USSR.

In its non-cosmic quality, the air supercar was not particularly relevant: for the 4,5 of the year, Mriya made about two dozen flights, and from 2012 to 2015 it did not fly at all.

Do without Russia?

“It is very sad that such statements are made by the president of the country. Let's start with the simplest - with the restoration of production. In order to restore something, it is necessary that at least it ever be in Ukraine, ”said Roman Gusarov, editor-in-chief of the State Duma Committee on Transport, in an interview with the VZGLYAD newspaper.

Such aircraft as the “Mriya” were built with broad cooperation with other plants, the source said. And only a part of these enterprises is located on the territory of Ukraine: “Kiev Aviation Production Association” (KiAPO), now the Antonov serial production plant, and Zaporozhye Motor-Building Plant, the current Motor Sich.

But a number of An-225 serial units and parts were manufactured at the Ulyanovsk Aviation Industrial Complex (UAPK) - now the Aviastar-SP joint-stock company, the chassis were manufactured at Gorkovsk, now Nizhny Novgorod, Gidromash. The main central parts of the flared wings were supplied by the Tashkent Aviation Production Association. V.P. Chkalov. Specialists from the Voronezh Aviation Plant were involved in painting the fuselage.

“As for the An-70, this aircraft was also built together with Russia,” Gusarov reminds. - Moreover, we note that the issue of ownership has not yet been resolved, because An-70 was largely created with Russian money. The customer was Russia. It is unclear whether Ukraine has the right to assemble these aircraft. And even if it has the right - will Russia really supply Kiev with unique Stupino propellers, which are produced only in Russia and are intended only for this aircraft? (“Stupino Machine-Building Production Enterprise”, the former plant No. 120 of the USSR Minaviaprom in Stupino, Moscow Region, is one of the largest enterprises producing propellers - comment. VIEW).

“An-70 is a normal transport plane, but the question is who will order it,” notes Maxim Pyadushkin. - Initially, this project was developed with an eye to the fact that the Russian Air Force will purchase a sufficient number of such machines. But, as I understand it, the Russian videoconferencing will not buy it. And how much the Ukrainian Air Force needs it and how much finance they have to buy these planes in quantities that justify their production is a question. ”

“Why“ Mriya ”to the market?”


“Theoretically, Ukraine can build another“ Mriya ”in a few years,” notes Gusarov. “But the question is different - why does“ Mriya ”need a market?”

“Burana” is not there now, and using “Mriya” as a cargo plane is impractical, - Maxim Pyadushkin stresses, in turn. - The plane is too big. It can work only in the market of irregular oversized cargo, along with the An-124 "Ruslan". The market is quite narrow, and in order for the transportation to pay off, we need good logistics, we need to consolidate the cargo very well, this aircraft will not work for any transportation. ”

Today, the capabilities of this aircraft are redundant, agrees Gusarov. Mriya performs single flights on single contracts, these are unique transportations. Since the plane is already there, its residual value is zero, so you can operate it and try to compete in the market with An-124.

“But the cost of transportation is higher — the Mriya has two more engines, the fuel consumption is higher, and the car is heavier. “Ruslan” perfectly closes the market for oversized cargo, Gusarov believes. “Incredibly rare are cases when it is necessary to transport cargoes literally“ on ”an aircraft - like“ Buran ”, these are top-notch transportations that are required once every 5 – 10 years”.

"Very, very expensive plane"


For this, there is no point in building a “very, very expensive plane,” the source said. “If we take the mass production of such an aircraft, even taking into account the free labor force, relatively cheap resources available to Ukraine, taking into account the hryvnia exchange rate, the aircraft will cost over 200 million dollars, but rather 300 – 500 million dollars,” Gusarov believes.

It should be noted that the first vice-president of Antonov, Alexander Kotsyuba, in a recent interview with the Ukrainian portal Liga.Biznes, said: “According to conservative estimates, the creation and launch of such an aircraft into mass production is estimated at 3 – 4 billion dollars. The lion's share of costs is occupied by pre-production, tooling, equipment purchase, certification and release of design documentation. ”

For comparison, in March it became known about the amount that would cost the partial restoration of the equipment for the production of the Tu-160 strategic bomber at the Kazan Aviation Plant named after him. S.P. Gorbunova (branch of PJSC "Tupolev"). The total amount of tenders reaches almost 1,7 billion rubles, Interfax reported. According to experts, the restoration program of mass production of the Tu-160М2 (which was announced in March by the President of Tatarstan Rustam Minnikhanov and the President of the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC), Yuri Slyusar and supported by the leadership of the Ministry of Defense) can cost hundreds of billions of rubles.

It is obvious that the budget possibilities of Russia and Ukraine are clearly incomparable.

“We are still discussing the issue of resuming production of Ruslans, but the issue is not moving, since there is no order for at least 40 machines for this project to pay off,” the expert emphasizes. - And “Mriya” in a single copy, which in itself will cost half a billion dollars, if not counting the restoration of production - what will Ukraine do with it next? ”

Poroshenko’s statement is nothing more than populist, aimed at “raising national self-awareness”, but by no means pursuing practical goals, concludes Gusarov.
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  1. EvgNik
    EvgNik 3 June 2016 18: 13
    +32
    Let them do it, the flag in their hands. And the wind is in the back.
    1. cniza
      cniza 3 June 2016 18: 15
      +33
      Quote: EvgNik
      Let them do it, the flag in their hands. And the wind is in the back.


      They will tear themselves away from their own importance, but they will not be able to do anything. Let them at least assemble the AN-2.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 3 June 2016 18: 24
        +7
        Quote: cniza
        They will tear themselves away from their own importance, but they will not be able to do anything

        They won’t be able to, but let them even try.
        1. Darkmor
          Darkmor 3 June 2016 18: 28
          +21
          Yes, no one will try anything.
          Statements about "wunderwaffe" and about "abroad will help us" are typical behavior of all ukrochinovnikov without exception. Well, more about "Rashka will soon fall apart" ...
          It is ridiculous to seriously seriously discuss the veracity of the statement of the one whose statements for 2 years have not been implemented in principle. Rather, we can say that since Poroshenko said this - it will NEVER be done - you can put money on it in a sweepstake.
          In the best case, no one will do anything. At worst, they will allocate money for it, which will disappear somewhere.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 3 June 2016 20: 24
            +13
            Quote: Darkmor
            In the best case, no one will do anything. At worst, they will allocate money for it, which will disappear somewhere.

            ... in general, there’s nothing to comment on from the word ... an illustration in the subject ... a machine gun for bloomers ... laughing
            1. Thrall
              Thrall 4 June 2016 09: 49
              +2
              Poroshenko’s mriya (dream) is that all Ukrainians should be constantly bugging, like their president and believe his delirium laughing
          2. 73bor
            73bor 3 June 2016 21: 17
            +3
            It looks like the info is pure for INTERNAL consumption!
            1. afrikanez
              afrikanez 3 June 2016 22: 10
              +1
              Through the prism of a faceted glass, you can recall lol
          3. avg
            avg 3 June 2016 21: 19
            +1
            Quote: Darkmor
            Statements about "wunderwaffe" and about "abroad will help us" are typical behavior of all ukrochinovnikov without exception. Well, more about "Rashka will soon fall apart" ...

            "Mriya" means dream. Here xoxly also dream. And "Gunpowder" is their main dreamer. Rolls a glass and dreams ...
            And his life came bad - he gives less money to the geyropa, demons burn tires at the residence more often, bureaucrats-officials have completely lost their fear ... So let the poor fellow dream at least?
            1. Sirocco
              Sirocco 4 June 2016 05: 00
              +3
              Quote: avg
              "Mriya" means dream. Here xoxly also dream. And "Gunpowder" is their main dreamer. Rolls a glass and dreams ...

              Then yesterday there was an article about a dream tank, now a dream plane, yesterday did not add video to the tank. But today I could not resist, most likely in Ukraine, it may turn out such a hybrid, as in this piece of comedy.
              All of Ukraine has become a bitter comedy.
            2. iouris
              iouris 5 June 2016 00: 58
              0
              Soviet aircraft. In 1991, the Russian Federation was not needed, as well as space. Most likely, China will receive technology for a nominal fee.
              1. drunkram
                drunkram 6 June 2016 12: 42
                0
                Most likely, China doesn’t need them either, for it seems to me he would have bought it long ago, along with Antonov and all the documents
          4. firefighter
            firefighter 4 June 2016 06: 14
            +1
            Why is it so pessimistic !? The money (whatever is allocated) will go to very specific people - PARAShenka and the company. And whether or not they build it is not a question at all. They will build it! Will fly! With one "but". In a dream in a drunken stupor. Yes, and Petrushka gave his order clearly not in a sober mind. hi what lol
        2. Volga Cossack
          Volga Cossack 3 June 2016 18: 38
          +8
          will lie again - they’ll announce and forget ........ as with all the projects there - stillborn everything ........
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        4. novobranets
          novobranets 3 June 2016 19: 01
          +3
          Quote: EvgNik
          but let them even try.

          The fact of the matter is that, in addition to a concussion, no one planned to do anything. This hollow bream petunia hovers somewhere in the clouds of alcoholic vapors.
        5. enot73
          enot73 3 June 2016 19: 48
          +10
          Quote: EvgNik
          Let them do it, the flag in their hands. And the wind is in the back.

          Quote: EvgNik
          They won’t be able to, but let them even try.
          Poroshenko, as the saying goes, "is not responsible for his bazaar" Already tables have been drawn up and videos have been shot about his unfulfilled promises fellow "Mriya" is probably also from this category
        6. alex-defensor
          alex-defensor 3 June 2016 22: 48
          +1
          Quote: EvgNik
          They won’t be able to, but let them even try


          They can, in the amount of one piece. After all, Ukraine also got an unfinished instance, ready for 70%.
          Something produced in Russia will have to be replaced, a change should be made to the project ... but to resume production of what was planned as a piece product even in a powerful USSR - I doubt it. And it’s not even that (as the author writes) there is no need for such a tonnage, there is a need, but the Boeing and Airbus keep the world market with steel grip ... even Russia to break into these markets is not an easy task, so far NOT succeeding. And where is Ukraine ...
          1. alexng
            alexng 3 June 2016 23: 23
            +3
            Do not pay attention. Is it Mali that you can blurt out from a hangover. recourse Tomorrow, after the next 2 liters, he will declare that dill is a space power and will begin to build a staircase to the moon, and a "two-liter" barefoot drinking companion was thrown to him from Russia in addition. drinks
      2. Stalker.1977
        Stalker.1977 3 June 2016 18: 36
        +4
        And who generally listens to the statements of Mr. Poroshenko ???? Or he reacts to them, it’s time to stop giving these crazy statements altogether, tired of it.
      3. The black
        The black 3 June 2016 19: 07
        +21
        Again, the presidential administration did not keep track and Pedro got drunk .... after which he was drawn to Mriya ... laughing
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 3 June 2016 20: 23
          +4
          Quote: Black
          new

          Yes, it was not drawn to Mriya, but simply to Mary, after watching the series!
        2. evil boatswain
          evil boatswain 3 June 2016 23: 32
          0
          Hehe, how exactly !!!
      4. GSH-18
        GSH-18 3 June 2016 22: 25
        +3
        Poroshenko's statement about the production of "Mriya" looks like a pure fantasy

        After the next faceted glass, Poroshenko is not capable of this!
      5. GSH-18
        GSH-18 7 June 2016 16: 30
        0
        Poroshenko's statement about the production of "Mriya" looks like a pure fantasy

        Usually, such statements by Parash indicate the intake of an extra glass without a snack "on the chest"!
    2. CRONOS
      CRONOS 3 June 2016 18: 31
      +30
      Poroshenko's statement about the production of "Mriya" looks like a pure fantasy

      Do not pour gunpowder anymore !!!
      1. Cheshire
        Cheshire 3 June 2016 18: 46
        +23
        - Petr Alekseich, everything is gone! Putin just drove to Kiev in a tank.
        - Arseny ... how so?
        - Yes, something like that .... And they throw the tank with flowers.
        Poroshenko put down the phone, sighed and went to the cabinet where he hung festive clothes. ..
        ................................................
        Yatsenyuk stood in horror in front of Poroshenko, who went out into the street: "Petr Alekseich ... so I was joking like this ... on the first of April .... sorry."
        Petro was in a suit with a St. George ribbon.
        In one hand he was clutching the flag of Russia, and in the other was a tray with a loaf and salt.
    3. Maxom75
      Maxom75 3 June 2016 18: 38
      +2
      And I would support Ukraine. Let them make Mriya planes from the heels and the whole country will automatically become bankrupt at once)))
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 3 June 2016 18: 43
        +9
        Quote: Maxom75
        And I would support Ukraine. Let them make Mriya planes from the heels and the whole country will automatically become bankrupt at once)))

        Isn't she bankrupt yet? wassat
      2. viktorrymar
        viktorrymar 3 June 2016 18: 48
        +2
        In its non-cosmic quality, the air supercar was not particularly relevant: for the 4,5 of the year, Mriya made about two dozen flights, and from 2012 to 2015 it did not fly at all.

        In the 2013 year, in November, he saw Mriya with his own eyes at the airport of Almaty, on refueling, so this is a lie.
        1. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 3 June 2016 19: 08
          0
          There was information that Ukraine was trying, for advertising purposes, to conduct a Kiev-Sydney flight, but something did not follow. But it was not a commercial flight.
      3. quote
        quote 3 June 2016 18: 50
        +3
        Quote: Maxom75
        And I would support Ukraine. Let them do the Mriya planes from the heels

        And why not?
        Sick head, big "Mriya"!
        All! The people are busy with a dream! And here, there is no need for bread. The victory is on the way.
      4. APASUS
        APASUS 3 June 2016 19: 09
        +12
        Quote: Maxom75
        And I would support Ukraine. Let them make Mriya planes from the heels and the whole country will automatically become bankrupt at once)))

        The country is already facing bankruptcy, but consider the construction of an airplane.
        1 Even to consider that they will find (???) a load for using the second machine, you should immediately spend about $ 1,5 billion on snap-in according to preliminary calculations.
        2 Working with allies, despite the fact that they are all Europeans and work according to other standards, can put any project on the safe side. After all, we are not friends with Russia.
        3 Preliminary sketches show that the cost of a car can reach up to $ 500 mil, such a project will not pay off almost never. Such aircraft are prestige aircraft, such expenses are not for economic gain.
        4 And most importantly.
        Ukraine is a wonderland! There money leaves the accounts even at night, I think the next mega project will make Poroshenko richer by a couple of three hundred million dollars. We all remember how the European shaft was built on the border with Russia, under the leadership of Yaytsenyukh
  2. RUSS
    RUSS 3 June 2016 18: 16
    +23
    I’m waiting now when they announced the construction of a star fleet
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny 3 June 2016 18: 19
      +9
      were you in a coma or something laughing ukrocosmoflot already in orbit tattoo
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 3 June 2016 19: 33
        +22
        Quote: RUSS
        I’m waiting now when they announced the construction of a star fleet

        Yes, they are already in space for a long time on "Mriya" fellow
    2. Bochik
      Bochik 4 June 2016 01: 02
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      I’m waiting now when they announced the construction of a star fleet

      ... in order to control the flights of Russian satellites over non-skid ones and mercilessly bring them down in case of unpaid use of outer space by Russia over the globe of Ukraine ...
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 3 June 2016 18: 16
    +7
    "It is unclear if Ukraine has the right to assemble these aircraft."

    Funny, Ukraine does not need any rights. yes In general, it is interesting how the author of the article cleverly comments on the delirium of a half-drunk confectioner. smile
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 3 June 2016 18: 27
      +5
      Quote: Vladimirets
      I wonder how the author of the article cleverly comments on the delirium of a half-drunk confectioner.

      Why half drunk? In my opinion, he has long come to condition. After which the USSR was forcibly sent to the LTP.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 3 June 2016 18: 45
        +5
        Quote: EvgNik
        In my opinion, he has long come to condition. After which the USSR was forcibly sent to the LTP.

        But his children live with this. And alcoholism is the most innocent of what this garne lad was convicted of. There is an arm elbow in blood.
        1. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 3 June 2016 19: 22
          0
          And the children are not responsible for the fathers. Ivan Pestel, Governor-General of Western Siberia, was one of the largest corrupt officials in the Russian Empire. He imprisoned and tortured merchants and officials who did not agree to give him bribes. Only one tradesman managed to tell Emperor Alexander I about this. In order not to be killed by Pestel's henchmen, the tradesman was hiding in the palace of Miloradovich. It all ended with the resignation of the father of the famous Decembrist. The whole Petersburg nobility stood up for him. Apparently this was the norm of the time for the Russian Empire and is the norm now in the Extreme.
          1. 13 warrior
            13 warrior 3 June 2016 22: 08
            -7
            But in Russia, is it somehow different now?))
    2. ohtandur
      ohtandur 3 June 2016 18: 38
      +2
      so I thought. Why sculpt an article on this topic? In the first topic, they all said correctly - Poroshenko saw Mriya through a faceted glass. Professional Coolie wassat
  4. Abbra
    Abbra 3 June 2016 18: 17
    +3
    Neon-Dertals, I think, also dreamed of their Gagarin ...
  5. Pereira
    Pereira 3 June 2016 18: 17
    +5
    Well, blabbed people drunk. It happens to everyone?
    Why should we worry about this?
    I do not see topics for discussion at all.
  6. vanavatny
    vanavatny 3 June 2016 18: 18
    +3
    if someone doesn’t know: they’re also going to give birth to a miracle fighter in agony - it will be torn soo and instant
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 3 June 2016 18: 19
      +4
      Quote: vanavate
      miracle fighter gathered to give birth in agony - will sue and moment and moment

      And at Mriya, can you imagine how many suspension points can be made for missiles? belay
      1. vanavatny
        vanavatny 3 June 2016 18: 25
        +2
        Yeah, intercontinental laughing
  7. volodya
    volodya 3 June 2016 18: 20
    +4
    The madhouse continues, "Mriya" was built by the whole country, not just one suburb!
  8. dr.star75
    dr.star75 3 June 2016 18: 20
    +2
    It is clear why Poroshenko such a plane. He’s going to bring down Ukraine, and he wants to pick up everything that he has gained by overwork.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 3 June 2016 20: 59
      0
      Then he will sell the Samlet! Nothing holy! to sell Mriya (!) - A dream ... crying
  9. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 3 June 2016 18: 20
    +3
    Mikhail, quite briefly and clearly, appreciated the situation in this matter. It was nice to read the article. hi
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  11. sever.56
    sever.56 3 June 2016 18: 22
    +24
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/572/ferp119.png

    From Peter, who is in a state of "eternal bliss," we have heard nothing like that.
    Only transformations from "Charlie" to "Boeing", "Volvakha", "President of the World" and "Crimean Tatar" are worth what ...
    With regards to the "rise of national self-awareness," I think that with such a life, the peasants of the Outskirts rarely get a hell of a lot, but now they are talking about some kind of "national identity"!
  12. Altona
    Altona 3 June 2016 18: 22
    +2
    So, after all, not every airport can take such a fool, the runway may not be of the necessary length, and in general, the content of such an aircraft flies into a spear.
  13. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 3 June 2016 18: 25
    +4
    Uncle Petya Dreamer wassat He so relishly told how tens of thousands of people meet mriya around the world with Ukrainian flags)))) Bukhasha is a terrible thing!
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 3 June 2016 18: 33
      +1
      Probably "12 chairs" recently looked.
  14. vmo
    vmo 3 June 2016 18: 27
    +1
    Utopians however!
  15. Simon
    Simon 3 June 2016 18: 28
    +2
    They also wanted to build a flotilla of ships for the Ukrainian fleet until 2020, but they cannot even finance the scrap. Most likely, another Roshen factory will be built somewhere. request
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  17. Funnels
    Funnels 3 June 2016 18: 31
    +4
    "Mriya" - bodies. The main thing is to find suckers who will pay for this mriya. As for the Ruslan, I don’t know, the BTA park is getting old, the PAK-TA is dull. Okay, the Il476 started slowly. I think I need to look for a replacement for AH12 and 26
  18. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 3 June 2016 18: 33
    +3
    “Why“ Mriya ”to the market?”

    Not to the market, but to Ukraine, to increase the sense of national pride. Recently, the An-225 flew to Australia, so there the Ukrainian ambassador personally met in an embroidered shirt. Gave a comment to local media that this is a purely Ukrainian plane.
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny 3 June 2016 18: 45
      +2
      only on local tv they called him Russian laughing
  19. red_october
    red_october 3 June 2016 18: 40
    +10
    “You are not talking about the main thing, about your leading role in the world. In 1939, you Russians were smart, and we Japanese were fools. In the 1949 year, you became even smarter, and we were fools so far. And in the 1955 year we got smarter, and you turned into five-year-olds. Our entire economic system is almost completely copied from yours, with the only difference being that we have capitalism, private producers, and we have never achieved more than 15% growth, but you, with public ownership of the means of production, have reached 30% or more. All of our firms have your slogans of the Stalin era. ”

    Herosi Terawama, Japanese billionaire

    Only the Stalinist industry had such inertia that even in 70-80 they could create such monsters as An-225, An-124, cruisers, etc. 1144 and 1164, railway missile kits, etc.

    High Petro will repeat.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 June 2016 19: 02
      +1
      They can set up production, only rich investors are needed for this, and the engines can be supplied by others - four GE9x with a thrust of 45 tons, instead of six D 18T with a thrust of 23 tons.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 3 June 2016 19: 09
        +1
        "Mriya" has a lot that was not produced in Ukraine even in Soviet times. What can I say about the present.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 3 June 2016 19: 08
      +1
      Only the Stalinist industry had such inertia that even in 70-80 they could create such monsters as An-225, An-124, cruisers, etc. 1144 and 1164, railway missile kits, etc.

      I have been saying this for a long time. And not only industry, but science.
      Still alive with that reserve.
    3. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 3 June 2016 22: 51
      0
      In all of our firms hang your slogans of the Stalin era
      The Slave Factory, a 1968 film, is more truthful than Heroshi Terawama in the roots of Japan's economic miracle.
  20. mole
    mole 3 June 2016 18: 40
    +1
    The title of the article "Poroshenko's statement on the production of" Mriya "looks clean fantasy".
    Much in Ukraine looks like "fantasy". wink
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 3 June 2016 19: 16
      0
      Much in Ukraine looks like "fantasy".
      Correct - phantasmagoria, in the style of Brueghel and Bosch.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 3 June 2016 21: 39
        +1
        But this is Russian phantasmagoria - insatiable bankers and bribe takers.
  21. AID.S
    AID.S 3 June 2016 18: 44
    +2
    They will fly to Zhmerinka.
  22. then
    then 3 June 2016 18: 55
    +1
    They may want something, so who will give them.
  23. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 3 June 2016 19: 00
    +4
    Mriya .. she is Mriya .. he promises to return Crimea and Donbass. Dreaming is not forbidden to anyone.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 3 June 2016 19: 08
      +2
      Quote: Atlant-1164
      no one is forbidden to dream

      SPEECH

      Dreams Dreams,
      Where is your sweetness?
      Where are you, where are you,
      Night joy?
      He disappeared
      Merry dream
      And lonely
      In the darkness deep
      I am awake.
      Around the bed
      Silent night.
      Instantly chilled
      Flew away instantly
      Crowd away
      Love dreams.
      Still full
      Soul of desire
      And catches sleep
      Remember.
      Love love,
      Listen to the prayers:
      Send me again
      My visions
      And in the morning
      Once again drunk
      Let me die
      Unawakened.
      Pushkin
  24. sergey2017
    sergey2017 3 June 2016 19: 02
    +5
    The question of the liquidation of the concern, which combined all the power of the Ukrainian aircraft industry, inherited from the Soviet Union, arose shortly after the coup in Ukraine in February 2014 headed by Dmitry Sergeevich Kiva, Doctor of Technical Sciences, academician of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, Hero Ukraine. Kiva devoted his whole life to aircraft manufacturing, and since 1964 he worked in Antonov Design Bureau. Largely thanks to the efforts of Kiva, the Ukrainian aviation industry, despite all the difficulties, remained afloat. However, the new authorities of Ukraine in the spring of 2014 decided to remove Kiva from the leadership of the concern. There were two main reasons for this. Firstly, the Antonov concern is not much that numerous Ukrainian oligarchs did not manage to seize and plunder due to the desperate resistance of its head. Secondly, Dmitry Sergeyevich Kiva has always been an active supporter of joint projects and the integration of aviation industries in Russia and Ukraine, believing that this is the path that promises excellent prospects for both countries.
    In the new conditions, Kiva’s position became seditious, which gave an extra reason to get rid of him.
  25. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 3 June 2016 19: 04
    +3
    "Powerfully pushed in"! (Hryun Morzhov)
  26. Bramb
    Bramb 3 June 2016 19: 06
    +2
    "Mriya" in a single copy, which in itself will cost half a billion dollars, not counting the cost of restoring production. What will Ukraine do next? ”
    ---------------
    What are the author’s stupid questions?
    It is known that: Ukrainians will be loaded into it as far as possible - and they will fly away from this damned territory to hell to the hair dryer!
  27. NordUral
    NordUral 3 June 2016 19: 06
    0
    How could one give Mriya to Ukraine at all !?
  28. Bort radist
    Bort radist 3 June 2016 19: 09
    +15
    But Mriya is good - beautiful and powerful. And Ukraine is like that - WAS IN THE UNION!
    1. Bramb
      Bramb 3 June 2016 19: 14
      +1
      This is a reminder to the Ukrainians, worthless as a nation, and to everyone else: who you were with the Russians and who you yourself are.
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 3 June 2016 20: 45
      +5
      Quote: Bort Radist
      But Mriya is good - beautiful and powerful. And Ukraine is like that - WAS IN THE UNION!

      No, just interesting! 1/6 of the earth’s land was created by this plane, a piece of this 1/6 wants to give birth to this plane ... logic hde? request
    3. proud
      proud 3 June 2016 22: 21
      +1
      Tooting!
  29. INF
    INF 3 June 2016 19: 10
    +1
    Quote: AID.S
    They will fly to Zhmerinka.

    To the moon, all of Ukraine ...
  30. wandlitz
    wandlitz 3 June 2016 19: 14
    +1
    Poroshenko’s statement is nothing more than populist, aimed at “raising national identity”
    Petya crowed, but at least do not dawn ....
  31. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 3 June 2016 19: 14
    0
    The main thing is not to do, the main thing is (napiz) to declare to the whole world. And will be - will not be,
    case ten.
  32. abeluk
    abeluk 3 June 2016 19: 22
    +1
    "..... what will Ukraine do with it next?" - yes, as with the submarine: it will stand in the field and beep!
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  34. gfs84
    gfs84 3 June 2016 19: 29
    +3
    There is no desire or energy to comment on the "events" in Ukraine, and even more so on the statements of its politicians.

    But to find out who enrolls people in the "experts" is very interesting ...

    “Mriya” is a rather specific aircraft, ”Maxim Pyadushkin, Managing Director of Air Transport Review magazine, recalled in a comment to VZGLYAD newspaper. - An-225 was created with only one task - to carry the Soviet "Buran".


    such a "smart" thought was expressed managing director (note, neither a specialist, nor an editor, nor someone else, but the managing director is essentially a person who cares only about one thing so that the enterprise would work properly and, preferably, make a profit) of the Aviatranspartnoye Obozreniye magazine ...

    and after all, reading people who are not immersed in the topic, they will consider that this is an "expert" and will take a unique car for a simple "tow truck" ...

    But the task of this aircraft is much more ambitious within the framework of MAKS, ideally to serve as the first stage of the space system ...
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 3 June 2016 19: 45
      +3
      Quote: gfs84
      There is neither desire nor strength to comment on the "events" in Ukraine, and even more so on the statements of its politicians.

      I agree with you, to completely pump up what the parashka said there, we would have to deal with our problems. And what is typical of the thread about our "achievements"
      -214-i-modernizaciya-tu-22m3-na-kazanskom-aviacionnom-zavode.html # comment-id-593
      9956 is not particularly read, but here it’s direct, the hype from the commentators.
      Quote: gfs84
      But the task of this aircraft is much more ambitious within the framework of MAKS, ideally to serve as the first stage of the space system ...

      Quite right, one of his tasks was to "throw space sandals".
      And it will be especially cool if kaklov something happens. So let's see.
      1. gfs84
        gfs84 3 June 2016 20: 19
        +1
        http://topwar.ru/96215-proizvodstvo-samoletov-tu-160-i-tu
        -214-i-modernizaciya-tu-22m3-na-kazanskom-aviacionnom-zavode.html # comment-id-593

        9956


        Thanks for the link! At the end of six months, under the arches of their underground affairs you can not see what is happening in the sky)))

        Oh month without a weekend and a liter of dark anyone will make a poet))) drinks
  35. Stinger
    Stinger 3 June 2016 19: 31
    +3
    Isn’t it time for us to wave to William, you see, our Shakespeare?
  36. Prisoner
    Prisoner 3 June 2016 19: 37
    +3
    Not worth the price for Poroshenko's words. All this chatter is intended for those Ukrainians who do not really know what the production of such a device means. Everything promises overcoming the shameless promise. And Ukrainians don't even have to dream about "Mriya" (should I apologize for the tautology, or is it not necessary here? what ) May the bloodsucker continue to promise visa-free travel.
  37. masiya
    masiya 3 June 2016 19: 43
    +2
    What idiotic self-conceit, overestimation of reality in the country and complete stupidity in organizing even elementary production, completely destroyed by the economy, this is not taking into account the contribution of the entire USSR to this project, what shisha and what destroyed capacities of the plants they want to create, they have the brains it’s already (there are no scientific ones), but they put the engineers and workers in the ATO, if the reasonable did not leave for Russia.
    1. akims
      akims 3 June 2016 20: 42
      +2
      You don’t understand anything:
      You can build a maize and save something in your pocket.
      It is possible to build a model of a maize and save nothing from this.
      And you can declare the construction of a mega-coulter, you can’t build a damn, but save hoo!
      The leadership of Ukraine ate the dog on such projects.
  38. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 3 June 2016 19: 50
    0
    "Mriya" (translated from Ukrainian - "Dream"),
    Dreams, dreams, where is your sweetness, dreams are gone, muck remains. They have "almost recovered" their fleet and received inflatable boats. Now get balloons. Shame. But the current government is probably not aware of this.
  39. HAM
    HAM 3 June 2016 19: 58
    +1
    ..... "I set the task to calculate all the possibilities, carefully study the market and I will REPORT ...."

    Keywords of long speech ...
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 3 June 2016 20: 12
      0
      they are right before these, about the "body"
      one A-225, and another one from the An-70

      Tu-160 is also still being completed from the backlog in 5-6 buildings.
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 3 June 2016 21: 07
      0
      The bastard wasn’t full! Asks for an additive. And so they lay and lay and report again. Here is the bottomless womb! winked
  40. Bramb
    Bramb 3 June 2016 20: 01
    0
    Khokhlov the main thing is to say. and they never knew how to do anything.
    Worthless parasitic nation.
    Crest said the wind blew. Crest forgot what he said.
  41. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 3 June 2016 20: 06
    0
    Everything is very simple: Piglet needs a big plane in order to dump dumped goods with Ukro-ina! Judging by the fact that the plane is tremendous tremendous, not a little good has been welded!
  42. evil partisan
    evil partisan 3 June 2016 20: 21
    0
    Interesting: how much does it cost to keep Mriya hahlam? And is the exploitation of Mriya really commercially viable? It seems to me that this is from the series "show-off is more expensive than money" ...
  43. weksha50
    weksha50 3 June 2016 20: 29
    +2
    All this stupid chatter about the "rebirth of Mriya" (and not only) is empty, irresponsible balaganism ...

    To hell with her, this Mriya, to hell with them, the most efficient troops "on the continent" ...
    Nobody will recreate this Mriya ...

    The question simply arises: do Western politicians really fail to see WHO is sitting "on the throne" in / in Ukraine, in the parliament, in the government ???

    After all, THIS are madmen in the literal sense of the word ... And even Western politicians put up with them, if only they "got" Russia ...

    But some of them have no better speeches, especially in terms of Russia itself ...

    And the question arises: the world has gone crazy ???
  44. semuil
    semuil 3 June 2016 20: 34
    +5
    A dream is so a dream.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 3 June 2016 21: 18
      +1
      Recently, in one of the Moscow TRP airplanes from Boeing stolen. Thanks for the photo. I understood how to steal a little more. bully
  45. Sazaren
    Sazaren 3 June 2016 20: 54
    0
    In Ukraine, it is always like this "yak nor dyk panadkusayu !!!"
  46. Enoch
    Enoch 3 June 2016 21: 50
    0
    After the grybochki, something else will come to mind, but all the "lazytsa" - gave Parosha hope, as he himself spoke.
  47. Mestny
    Mestny 3 June 2016 22: 27
    0
    Quote: Simpsonian
    Tu-160 is also still being completed from the backlog in 5-6 buildings.

    Yes, yes, everything is bad with us.
    5-6 rust-free polymer free casings as usual.
    The main thing is to repeat it every day, every minute, at any time of the day. And then your last doubts will disappear.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 4 June 2016 09: 40
      0
      It would not hurt at least once on two pages of comments to turn to yourself ...

      there’s nothing to completely weld the body of this bomber in a vacuum, that the half-finished in warehouses is left to be completed
  48. proud
    proud 3 June 2016 22: 31
    +1
    What is the difference between a madman and a sage? - A sage before he thinks something well thinks, A madman on the contrary - In the beginning he says and then he thinks what he said! Regarding Peter, comments are superfluous!
  49. t118an
    t118an 3 June 2016 22: 33
    +1
    For 23 years of independence, Ukrainians have been taught that they are the smartest, the best, the most creative in comparison with the Russians, who cannot do anything. And here, when everything is crumbling around without the support of Russia, they needed to declare at least in words about the possibility of producing something unusual. And what can you think of other than a super plane? So they said. And maybe or not - that's the tenth question. It's like in that joke about the old man: "And you say that you can!"

    Most likely Parashka had in mind a chocolate cake with an image of an airplane lol .
  50. Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 June 2016 22: 40
    +1
    Well, what you dear shouted, you must carefully read the article
    President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko has set the task of the Antonov aircraft manufacturing concern to study the possibility of producing aircraft developed in the USSR:

    To study the possibility and release a plane are two big differences, as I understand it. fellow