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NATO is a virtual adversary

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NATO is a virtual adversary



An interview with the Georgian General Georgy Kalandadze, the former head of the Joint General Staff of the Georgian Armed Forces of Georgia, who has been working in Ukraine since the end of 2014, has been working in Ukraine, helping her army, was recently published in the Ukrainska Pravda publication The most interesting moment in this interview is a story about the transition of the Georgian armed forces to NATO standards. We have written a lot of nonsense about these standards, even many military believe that this, for example, implies the mandatory immediate rearmament of the new member of the alliance with the “NATO equipment” (is it unclear just which - American, French, German?). In fact, these standards relate primarily to the management system. The key point of this story is as follows:

“They are very attentive to losses, because the state then bears a financial liability.

Roughly speaking, you can get involved in a battle when there are three of us per enemy. And at the same time we have support aviation.

- That is, there is no such thing as “keeping strategic heights to the last soldier”?

- We will not go into details, because there are different situations. It is important to understand that the NATO general first of all thinks about losses, and then about tasks. This is a different type of management. ”

It must be added here that this is not only a different type of government, it is a different type of thinking which is a sentence for the army. And this confirms that the talk about the "NATO threat" so popular in our country is either stupidity or propaganda, or both.

BOTTOM POTENTIAL

One could once again give figures showing how many times the NATO military potential has decreased since the end of the Cold War, but this reduction is only a consequence of a new type of thinking. NATO can no longer fight because their armies are no longer armies (which is why they are massively reducing Tanks, artillery and even aviation, which are still no longer needed). And this, in turn, is a reflection of the processes taking place in Western societies.

Of course, there is nothing good, if the combat task is solved at any cost, the enemy is "overwhelmed with the corpses" of the soldiers. But if the army refuses to solve the problem at all in order to avoid losses, then it is no longer an army. It is much more honest to simply dissolve it than to feed this senseless, but costly parasite. There is no doubt that in the foreseeable future some European countries will take this natural and logical step.

Here we can not give an example of Israel. This country from all points of view is a classic Western democracy. And they treat the life of their servicemen in the Israeli army as anxiously as they probably have nowhere else in the world. Nevertheless, the Israeli general thinks first of all about the tasks, and then how to solve them with minimal losses. And almost always decides, and with just minimal losses.

Discussion of what happened with Western (first of all European) societies is a very big and completely separate topic. Apparently, two opposing factors had the greatest impact on these societies. On the one hand, two world wars struck the psychology of Europeans, plowing this part of the world physically and mentally. On the other hand, too high a level of wealth also seems to deal a very strong blow to psychology: people have nowhere to strive for and nothing to desire. The result was a cumulative effect, confirming that any idea brought to the point of absurdity turns into its opposite.

NUTRING DEMOCRACY


In Europe, one very specific type of democracy prevailed - left-liberal with its characteristic hypertrophied indulgence of any minority at the expense of the normal majority (this is called tolerance and political correctness). The extent to which the suppression of the majority by minorities is democracy is an extremely interesting question. It should be noted that this very left-liberal ideology becomes, in fact, totalitarian (although its slogan is maximum freedom), since a person who does not agree with this ideology is immediately declared a fascist without any intermediate steps. In fact, the European parties, on which the left-liberal mainstream has labeled fascist (for example, the French National Front), are the classic right-wing parties of the first half of the twentieth century. It was in such parties that the two main European anti-fascists — Churchill and de Gaulle — consisted. But in their times in Europe there was democracy in its classical, natural understanding, and not its present perversion.

The situation developing in Europe with migrants from the Near and Middle East and from Africa is highly indicative in this regard. This migration, of course, did not begin with the current wave of refugees, it has been going on for a very long time. Migrants are one of the main objects of tolerance and political correctness. As a result, for some reason, an increasing majority of migrants perceive these remarkable European ideological attitudes as weakness and stupidity (and one gets the feeling that this perception is quite fair). At the same time, it is not customary to ask the tolerant and politically correct European politicians the question: what right do they, when accepting migrants en masse, put at risk the security and material well-being of their own citizens, voters and taxpayers? What right do they have to allow the creation of growing migrant regions in European cities where no European laws are in place (despite the fact that equality of all before the law is one of the pillars of classical European democracy)? In the end, it is inhumane even in relation to the same migrants. And it certainly has nothing to do with democracy. It has to do with weakness and stupidity.

Here again it is impossible not to refer to the experience of Israel and not to bring in the opinion of its specialists (they were published by the Kommersant newspaper after the Brussels attacks). For example, Yoram Schweitzer, senior researcher at the Israel Institute for National Security, said: "We in Israel ... there are places where there are more Arabs and less Jews, but we don’t have places where the law does not work." And Lt. Col. Mordechai Keidar, who served in Israel’s military intelligence, said: “If the Europeans continue to adhere to the principles of political correctness, they will end up in the grave. Democracy must learn to defend itself. Europeans need to finally decide who they are - democracy under siege or democracy on the road to suicide. ”

There is a strong suspicion that the second answer to the question of Lieutenant Colonel Kaydar will be correct. In Russia, many people seriously hope that parties like the National Front will soon begin to come to power in European countries in large numbers. Alas, it is an illusion. At any anti-immigrant rally in any European city, the answer is at least not the smallest pro-immigrant rally. For all European freedom of speech, left-liberal propaganda has been very effectively brainwashing people for decades. Therefore, for the normal right, to which the label of the “fascists” is firmly attached, even the 30% of votes is a practically unattainable ceiling. They can be quite strong opposition, but they will not come to power anywhere and never.

A European citizen, who has firmly mastered the principles of tolerance and political correctness, is absolutely not ready to fight with anyone for anything. A very high level of material well-being also drastically reduces a person’s desire to go to war. Finally, postmodernism is an indispensable element of a left-liberal ideology, within which, for example, readiness for self-sacrifice (without which the military profession is fundamentally impossible) is not something that is not welcome, but is recognized as something shameful. For all these reasons, the European armies are able to fight only against those who have nothing to answer at all (as General Kalandadze said). For all these reasons, talking about the NATO threat to Russia is at least absurd. But Russia is obliged to draw the most important lessons from the European experience.

LESSONS FOR RUSSIA


One of them, for example, is that a gross mistake is the self-disengagement, moral and physical, which is demonstrated by Europe. This error should never be repeated. Accordingly, from the fact that the current NATO does not pose a threat to us, in no way does it follow that we can be disarmed. First, NATO is not the only potential external threat to us. Secondly, NATO is not a threat at the current balance of power between them and Russia, this is a matter of principle. With a different balance of power, it will become a threat, as the examples of Yugoslavia and Libya have shown. Therefore, for any reduction in the state budget, the two areas of expenditure must be “sacred and inviolable” - for defense and security and for science and education. Any current talk about Russia spending too much on defense should be nipped in the bud.

Another lesson is that the army must always remain an army and in no case should it turn into the present ugly European synthesis of the punitive detachment and almshouse. Therefore, in particular, it is necessary to completely and permanently forget the idea of ​​a “professional army”, and to include a military appeal with a service in peacetime of one year into the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

There are lessons not only military, but also political. Representatives of the Russian liberal opposition propose that the above-described European “strangeness” be considered the highest achievement of human civilization, which must be introduced without understanding and discussion in our country. Perhaps there is no surer way to quickly and effectively destroy Russia. However, the answer to European deformities in no case should not become their own deformities, that is, the confluence of the frank archaic in the style of "Orthodoxy, autocracy, nationality", signs of which we are now seen more and more. Unfortunately, Russia is very much lacking the classical right-wing party of the Churchill-DeGoll type and classical democracy without bringing it to the point of absurdity.

Russia needs to learn the lessons not only from the European, but also from the Ukrainian experience. Most Russians regard the events in this country as the result of "the machinations of the State Department." Many Russian opposition leaders manage to see in Ukraine the construction of either a wonderful European democracy, or a wonderful nation state, or a magnificent synthesis of these two phenomena. In fact, Ukraine is Russia brought to the grotesque. That is, all our shortcomings there are brought to a hypertrophied, caricature scale. Only in this country could the criminal-oligarchic coup, which took place in February 2014, be called the “revolution of dignity”. The current Ukrainian catastrophe shows the consequences of merging power and oligarchy to complete indistinguishability, coupled with propaganda brainwashing to the public until they completely lose their ability to think. This has nothing to do with democracy or national construction, but it is necessary to see analogies with us.

If you go back to the beginning of the article, you can remember that in August 2008, the Georgian army, which successfully switched to NATO standards, when confronted with the Russian army, which these standards are absolutely alien, not only lost, but instantly collapsed and fled, throwing armament and technique. And despite the fact that the Russian group had no numerical superiority over the Georgian armed forces (at least on the ground). The Ukrainian army, collapsed by all four previous presidents of this country, in the past two years has demonstrated the ability to somehow fight solely because it remains inherently deeply Soviet. The transition to NATO standards for the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be equivalent to their immediate collapse. At least, there can be no talk of any war in the Donbass after this. Accordingly, it remains only to wish Kiev to carry out this process as quickly as possible, so successfully and frankly described by the Georgian general.
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  1. Putinets
    Putinets 21 May 2016 12: 26
    +97
    That seems to be correct, but something seems to me either the author is too simplistic, or a troll. It’s not NATO, but nyash-mash, musi-pusi. Press down with a slipper. Underestimation of the enemy - certain death
    1. Riv
      Riv 21 May 2016 12: 44
      +36
      Of course it simplifies. "Desert Storm" is a very high-quality operation and quite by NATO standards.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 21 May 2016 13: 35
        +16
        Ha! Say what
        NATO is a virtual adversary

        they can only like that - like in this video. In womanish dreams and drunk! laughing

        1. cniza
          cniza 21 May 2016 14: 41
          +7
          You can not underestimate it, they are morally weak, of course, but in other places.
          1. avg
            avg 21 May 2016 16: 10
            +20
            Everything would be fine, but something has been unnecessarily many recent bravura articles appearing.
            Those who came across real professionals (for example, mercenaries), he will confirm that they are tough guys, with their own, certain concepts of honor and duty.
            And, as a rule, well-versed in more than one military specialty.
            1. alexng
              alexng 21 May 2016 17: 57
              +47
              In all this there is one BUT. We need to bite not the stick that they beat, but the one who holds this stick. This concept should be voiced publicly and then the need for NATO (the National American Terrorist Organization) will disappear, since in any case the Anglo-Saxons will get what they deserve first and foremost (more precisely, those who consider themselves rulers of the world, well, you understand who considers us gentiles) , and then their sip.
              1. efimich41
                efimich41 21 May 2016 18: 48
                +9
                alexneg (1) RU Today, 17:57 ↑ New

                In all this there is one BUT. We need to bite not the stick that they beat, but the one who holds this stick.


                This is the most reasonable proposal. I give you a "+".
          2. Blondy
            Blondy 21 May 2016 17: 58
            +18
            A bit of real in the kotext of the NATO virtual:
            A new missile was received by the Russian S-300B4 anti-aircraft missile system. Now, as developers say, the system can destroy targets at a distance of up to 400 kilometers.
            “That is, long-range radar patrol and control aircraft, including AWACS, will now not be able to enter the 400-kilometer zone with impunity,” said Pavel Sozinov, general designer of the Almaz-Antey concern, to TASS.

            Experts meanwhile note that Russian developers were again at their best, having managed to modernize one of the most successful products of their own production - a single complex of S-300V4 air defense and anti-ballistic missile defense systems.
            TC Star
            May 19 at17: 49
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        3. masiya
          masiya 21 May 2016 21: 43
          -5
          Bullshit ... and here ... this .. ???
      2. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 21 May 2016 13: 36
        +28
        Quote: Riv
        Underestimation of the enemy - certain death

        - Still, the guys have a lot to lose. The Germans, in 1940, crushed such Belgians without looking. And now all of Europe is like that, fatly - pampered. Homeland - the European Union, and this is already something amorphous. Only the Poles will be overextended, but it is in their blood. And we, thank God, did not have time to get bored to the end, during these filthy years of economic "renaissance". So let's be glad.
      3. Teberii
        Teberii 21 May 2016 13: 53
        +34
        Whoever didn’t say something, they wrote that everyone had real bullets. Therefore, you need to do so that they don’t have a desire to turn weapons in our direction.
      4. poquello
        poquello 21 May 2016 14: 51
        +16
        Quote: Riv
        Of course it simplifies. "Desert Storm" is a very high-quality operation and quite by NATO standards.

        it’s when the enemy’s air defense ceiling is small, the generals are bought and there are no NVDs, quite high-quality, they guessed to use these opportunities
        1. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 21 May 2016 15: 08
          +15
          An interesting point of view. Article plus. Only
          Russia really lacks the classic right-wing party

          Russia really lacks the classic left-wing party hi
          1. poquello
            poquello 21 May 2016 15: 29
            +2
            Quote: Corporal Valera
            An interesting point of view. Article plus. Only
            Russia really lacks the classic right-wing party

            Russia really lacks the classic left-wing party hi

            more parties, strong and different, the main thing is that without radicalism and terrorism
          2. Katman
            Katman 21 May 2016 19: 33
            +7
            All to the polls! Vote for the communists! And no problem! Just vote, at least for someone. I'm serious. "Everyone chooses for himself ...". Then do not moan that you were mistaken. The choice should be deliberate, and not "And he has a cool suit."
            1. Archon
              Archon 23 May 2016 08: 34
              +1
              In Primorye, pre-election elections were held, in which there was a squabble of EDRO by itself. Solid bribery, people bribe tea Lipton.
              http://www.newsvl.ru/vlad/2016/05/22/147660/
          3. andrew42
            andrew42 24 May 2016 11: 56
            -1
            Exactly. It's time to pinch the tails of "businessmen" who are sawing the budget.
      5. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 May 2016 15: 39
        +15
        Quote: Riv
        "Desert Storm" is a very high-quality operation and quite by NATO standards.

        On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, colossal funds for its implementation, superiority of the coalition in the number of troops, tremendous superiority in aviation, missile weapons and the overall level of quality of weapons. More precisely, the Iraqi army for the most part turned out to be even worse, especially in terms of moral-volitional qualities.
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      6. edeligor
        edeligor 21 May 2016 16: 15
        +6
        Quote: Riv
        "Desert Storm" is a very high-quality operation and quite by NATO standards.

        In principle, I agree. But look at the article:Roughly speaking, you can get involved in a fight when there are three of our opponents per one opponent. And while we have the support of aviation. And the data about this super duper operation has been kept secret until now. I would like to know.
        1. MAGA
          MAGA 21 May 2016 17: 06
          +2
          Quote: edeligor
          In principle, I agree. But look at the article: Roughly speaking, you can get involved in a battle when there are three of us per enemy. And at the same time, we have aviation support. And the data about this super duper operation has been kept secret until now. I would like to know.

          Well, NATO would have been preparing for the whole year to overthrow Saddam, most importantly they can darn military equipment so that the Chinese will see the children against their background.
        2. nafanal
          nafanal 22 May 2016 09: 35
          +6
          Lost 900 units of armored vehicles (rounded up) Nearly fifty abrams were irrevocably destroyed. Mainly anti-tank missile systems were destroyed. The abrams were strictly forbidden to approach Iraqi tanks at a distance of a direct shot. Moreover, Iraqi tanks were armed with munitions removed from service by the Soviet Army. something like this
      7. Kent0001
        Kent0001 21 May 2016 23: 02
        +5
        Dig into the history of the issue and Desert Storm won't look so bright.
      8. yehat
        yehat 23 May 2016 09: 50
        +1
        you are in vain bringing a storm in the desert.
        there almost everything was decided by aviation and missiles
        and the pilots took drugs that suppressed fear
        the remaining 90 percent loss is accidents or the result of confusion.
        there wasn’t such that someone climbed a strong enemy and got involved in a heavy battle.
      9. sergo42
        sergo42 23 May 2016 10: 57
        0
        A desert storm was eleven years ago. Everything is changing! But underestimating the enemy is certainly impossible.
      10. EvilLion
        EvilLion 24 May 2016 14: 41
        0
        This is still Soviet time and there was almost no land operation there.
    2. Finches
      Finches 21 May 2016 12: 49
      +45
      We have two extremes - NATO is very scary and NATO is a kindergarten! And you need to be realistic about the military threat from our "Western partners"! No matter how there are NATO troops, they are technically well-equipped Armed Forces that demonstrate aggressiveness towards Russia and we need to have the appropriate Armed Forces, which will be a deterrent against foreign invasion! And what is their ideology and methods of warfare - this is the tenth question.

      Enough of this destructive Serdyukovschina: |"Flag - to the museum, boy - to class!". The Russian army should be the Army, and then no NATO will be scary for us with any type of control!
      Problems with Ukraine allowed us to understand all the mistakes of Serdyukov’s reform activity and the reverse process of rebuilding the Armed Forces started - new armies were deployed, brigades turned into divisions, but it was much easier to destroy, but the restoration process was a long and difficult way! And very expensive .. And NATO stands along all our borders ...
      1. HERMES
        HERMES 21 May 2016 13: 16
        +11
        Quote: Riv
        Of course it simplifies. "Desert Storm" is a very high-quality operation and quite by NATO standards.

        Quote: Finches
        We have two extremes - NATO is very scary and NATO is a kindergarten!

        Quote: Putin
        Underestimation of the enemy - certain death


        Here are many who say that the United States does not know how to fight ... Abrams are garbage, etc, etc ... and now read about the tactics of network-centric warfare that the Americans fully used during Operation Desert Storm in 1991. the army is a very serious adversary ... for example, the fact of the effectiveness of the use of "Abrams" by the Americans themselves - and the use of all sorts of "Papuans" like the Iraqis and Saudis. The difference is felt.
        It seems to me that Saddam did not lose the war because his army did not know how to fight, but because the Americans had a very thoughtful and strong tactic that few people could play at that time. In 1991, the tactics of Network-Centric War for Iraq became the same, as for Europe, the German Blitskrieg. For some reason, many still see the American army - the army of the Vietnam War with constant huge losses. But many missed the jump of this army in 1991. Even today ... if a war between the PRC and the USA takes place purely hypothetically Without the use of nuclear weapons on the territory of the PRC itself, the PRC will lose if they do not have methods to counter American tactics.
        1. DMB_95
          DMB_95 21 May 2016 13: 58
          +23
          Quote: HERMES


          Here are many who say that the United States does not know how to fight ... Abrams are garbage, etc, etc ... and now read about the tactics of network-centric warfare that the Americans fully used during Operation Desert Storm in 1991. the army is a very serious adversary ... for example, the fact of the effectiveness of the use of "Abrams" by the Americans themselves - and the use of all sorts of "Papuans" like the Iraqis and Saudis. The difference is felt.
          It seems to me that Saddam did not lose the war because his army did not know how to fight, but because the Americans had a very thoughtful and strong tactic that few people could play at that time. In 1991, the tactics of Network-Centric War for Iraq became the same, as for Europe, German Blitskrieg.

          Still, the victory of the states over Iraq is an incorrect indicator of the combat effectiveness of the US army. Iraq was obviously a weaker adversary. And we must not forget that in 1991, the state and other armies of NATO served as soldiers and officers who grew up in confrontation with the USSR and trained for the War against the USSR. Now people of a different "temper" are serving there. And now the Russian Charter says: "to defend the Motherland even at the cost of your life." And our current soldiers and officers are still fighting this way. In the same Syria.
          1. Idiot
            Idiot 23 May 2016 08: 41
            +2
            And why did the greatest victories of NATO begin after 1991, after the assassination of the USSR?
          2. Idiot
            Idiot 23 May 2016 08: 41
            0
            And why did the greatest victories of NATO begin after 1991, after the assassination of the USSR?
        2. Finches
          Finches 21 May 2016 13: 58
          +23
          That's right!

          And I want to add that, in addition to the traditional Armed Forces, there is another very important aspect of the conduct of modern warfare - the social and psychological one. That is, as a consequence of the low socio-psychological preparedness of modern people, it is the impact on the "peaceful" population through the action of sabotage groups, high-precision weapons, and other innovative types of weapons that sharply increases the level of psychophysiological losses of the whole society - that is, it destroys the consciousness of the people that the Motherland must be protected by any at a price. By the way, the survey of the Levada Center among young people looks very characteristic, which shows that only 17% of young people are ready to defend their homeland! True, the publicity of such indicators by Levada, however, can be considered one of the methods of psychological warfare - they say, look how bad the Russians are ...

          I’ll continue further. To implement this in the United States and other NATO countries, we are building up the latest means and high-class forces! That is, in a modern war, non-traditional weapons created using the achievements of science and the forces of special operations will be widely used. Therefore, the Americans increased their MTR to 42 thousand and more people! The Germans increased their special forces 4 times ... But such units operate not only during the war, but also in peacetime - with the tasks of demoralizing the local population, organizing rebel and partisan detachments (terrorist groups), waging psychological warfare, etc., all this in order to undermine military-industrial facilities, ruin the work of the rear, supply troops ...

          Modern warfare involves primarily the large-scale use of ideological and psychological means of struggle, i.e. massive impact on the psychology of people. We see all this very well! But few people think about this while still living the experience of past wars!
          1. Finches
            Finches 21 May 2016 14: 29
            +14
            By the way, in Iraq (I broke something laughing ) - the children worked very competently, just from the 4th group of psychological operations that hang out in North Carolina! The number of not less than about 1000 people! 4th battalion! In the battalion there are only 5 special companies in terms of impact on the civilian population. In total, about 10000 people in the US Armed Forces are groups of psychological operations. And these troops are equipped with good professionals who are trained at the Center for Special Methods of War named after J. Kennedy at Fort Bragg. By the way, there is another example of the work of these specialists, unfortunately for us, successful - the collapse of the USSR ...
            1. svp67
              svp67 21 May 2016 14: 33
              +11
              Quote: Finches
              By the way, there is another example of the work of these specialists, unfortunately for us, successful - the collapse of the USSR ...

              well, then it is worth adding their utter failure during the Crimean events. They will laugh at the "daughters of naval officers" for a long time. As they used to say: "believe me, everything is not so simple ..."
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 21 May 2016 14: 50
                +10
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: Finches
                By the way, there is another example of the work of these specialists, unfortunately for us, successful - the collapse of the USSR ...

                well, then it is worth adding their utter failure during the Crimean events. They will laugh at the "daughters of naval officers" for a long time. As they used to say: "believe me, everything is not so simple ..."


                add the Ministry of Truth of Ukraine, and what is happening on social networks ... ordinary inhabitants hobble them like flies ... I periodically do such things ... first they call for help and you have to fight off the herd and then when there is nothing to argue, they start to be blown off in turn. .. laughing
              2. Finches
                Finches 21 May 2016 15: 12
                +4
                That's right! But here the failure of all American intelligence, but in Ukraine, they worked clearly ...
              3. kotvov
                kotvov 21 May 2016 16: 52
                +5
                it is worth adding their most complete failure during the Crimean events. ,,
                I think that here they also laughed psychologically, they simply could not imagine that the people of Crimea would rebel, and ours could very quickly deploy their forces.
            2. gg.na
              gg.na 21 May 2016 15: 21
              +5
              Quote: Finches
              (I broke something)

              Everything is very normal! Nice to read such comments! good
              1. Finches
                Finches 21 May 2016 15: 56
                0
                Thank you! hi
            3. Nehist
              Nehist 22 May 2016 03: 02
              +3
              This is where 82nd steam-based is based and one of the centers for the preparation of green berets, and what does it mean exclusively for the preparation of the DRG and partisan movements? Successfully they took into account the experience of Vietnam and the technology between the confrontation among confessional groups of the population they brought to perfection
          2. Undermined ustoev
            Undermined ustoev 21 May 2016 15: 35
            -20%
            By the way, a survey of the Levada Center among youth looks very characteristic, which shows that only 17% of young people are ready to defend their homeland! True, the publicity of such indicators by Levada, however, can be considered one of the methods of psychological warfare - they say, watch how badly all Russians are ...
            Stupid shkolota and student does not want to sit in the trenches, ah-ah-ah! And what should they protect in these very trenches, what values? Gundyaev with his Orthodox patriotism, whose mug does not fit into the TV? Miller's pipes, Prokhorov's prostitutes, Abramovich's yachts? What do you want from young people brought up on the values ​​of personal enrichment with an appropriate structure of society? From this poll it follows not that everything is bad in Russia, but on the contrary - the people are growing smarter despite the wishes of the restorers of capitalism. Levada presents this in the context of distrust of the existing government and immediately slips the context of some Navalny, Nemtsov, Kasyaniy and other representatives of the right-wing (right-wing parties they lack, lol), or marginals like Udaltsov. Well, the people don't support them either, that's a paradox. Well, the bourgeois Maidan in Russia does not work, just as the poor fellows do not swear. Well, the "stupid ryuske" does not want to be cannon fodder in the act of changing from the state trough some bourgeoisie to others, as well as to protect the domestic bourgeois from foreign ones. And 17% of "patriots" are somehow not a lot. All monarchists, national-chauvinists, social-chauvinists, nationalists and other scum, according to the results of twenty-five years of brainwashing, make up only a fifth, these same 17%. The figure is serious, I must admit. And if they are also organized by those in power, then something like Ukraine with its witch-hunt and other de-communization will turn out, under the cover of which the property will be stupidly redistributed once again. There is a small chance that these comrades will quarrel in the process of organizing among themselves for the right to be the most patriot of all patriots. Hehe.
            1. asiat_61
              asiat_61 21 May 2016 18: 00
              +1
              Interesting, dash for what? For laughter, at least they would explain.
        3. vorobey
          vorobey 21 May 2016 14: 44
          +10
          Quote: HERMES
          Even today ... if the war between the PRC and the United States occurs purely hypothetically without the use of nuclear weapons on the territory of the PRC itself, the PRC will lose if they do not have methods to counter the tactics of the Americans.


          I dare to object ... in the first place ... a long arm will destroy the Americans to fight in the territory of the PRC ... logistics ... the Chinese will simply throw their hats with their caps ... so if the Americans wage war with the PRC, then somewhere closer to themselves and farther from China ... and here who is faster and earlier will give a ride ..

          second .. yes, the Americans came up with thought-out tactics of network-centric wars, but they tested it in the absence of counteraction against REP and electronic warfare. and alas, they are lagging behind in this direction .. Yes, NATO is a strong adversary, but .. more than half of the alliance has a genetic memory that ends with a scuffle with the Russians, just like the self-preservation instinct, remember the Second World War and what were the Romanians, Hungarians, Czechs .. and plus .. as the realities show, the US army is still defenseless against a guerrilla war ...
        4. poquello
          poquello 21 May 2016 14: 55
          +2
          Quote: HERMES
          Even today ... if the war between the PRC and the United States occurs purely hypothetically without the use of nuclear weapons on the territory of the PRC itself, the PRC will lose if they do not have methods to counter the tactics of the Americans.

          super, and what put you to such conclusions? I wouldn’t think, for unpredictably
        5. sgazeev
          sgazeev 21 May 2016 15: 14
          +6
          Well, yes, provided that the gringos will bomb the territory for a whole month and catch up with a cloud of AUG. I just compared their "brave" seizure of the Japanese island. About nuclear weapons, they will use it at the initial stage, they need a lightning victory and hope that they will fight according to the "rules "not necessary. That vile nature.
        6. jktu66
          jktu66 21 May 2016 19: 40
          +3
          A. The measures in each military operation are not repeated. A detailed study of the actions leads to the desired result. This is a strong and treacherous enemy.
      2. gg.na
        gg.na 21 May 2016 15: 18
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        NATO is very scary and NATO is a kindergarten!

        Everything is very briefly and succinctly written here. good , there is simply nothing to add and reduce !!!
        1. Katman
          Katman 21 May 2016 19: 39
          +3
          As for NATO and kindergarten, I would argue. It is not known what is worse. I know from my own experience.
          1. 97110
            97110 21 May 2016 22: 25
            0
            Quote: Katman
            It is not known what is worse. I know from my own experience.

            Are you taking your son to kindergarten? Or a grandson? School is even worse.
      3. trantor
        trantor 21 May 2016 17: 55
        0
        Quote: Finches
        brigades turn into divisions,

        Something you all in one heap, what did the brigades prevent you from doing?
        1. Finches
          Finches 21 May 2016 18: 03
          +6
          Motorized rifle brigades, and the structure as a whole: a battalion brigade, for continental Russia, is the worst form of organizational staffing! I would say it is a form of creation! Brigades are good for islands, such as the United States, as expeditionary forces or states, such as Luxembourg, there are small ones! The Great Patriotic War, put everything in its place on this issue and there is no need to reinvent the wheel: motorized rifle and tank, only divisions!
          1. trantor
            trantor 22 May 2016 06: 02
            +1
            Quote: Finches
            The Great Patriotic War, put everything in its place

            Do you want to remember the First World War, or 1812? wink

            Everything in the world is changing, including the nature of warfare. There will be no more positional wars and front-to-front confrontations. Strong points, DRG and small military operations. And what in this case to do with divisions and armies? Tear to pieces?

            I agree with one thing - you can’t completely switch to the corps brigade, a mixed structure should be.
            1. Finches
              Finches 22 May 2016 09: 49
              +1
              The experience of the Great Patriotic War will be relevant for at least a hundred years! It is because of the physical and geographical conditions of the Russian Federation, but not only that. And I'm talking about motorized rifle and such compounds! Brigades are engineers, signalmen, for special operations forces, airborne forces, marines and special troops ... But combat units and formations of the Ground Forces are a regiment-division-army!
          2. Boatsman_Palych
            Boatsman_Palych 23 May 2016 13: 25
            +1
            Right. Brigade organization is good for small wars. And in the structure of the division-corps it is easier to form battle groups necessary for each specific task - the nomenclature of units is much wider, and there are more units themselves. So in the second half of WWII did the Germans, and the Americans, and ours. If now the battalion tactical group is full-time - based on the brigade structure, then from divisions and armies it will already be possible to form more seriously.
      4. NDR-791
        NDR-791 21 May 2016 18: 28
        +12
        What do you mean "enough of Serdyukovschina" ?! The state, represented by the servants of the people, decided to throw Serdyuk on the "Russian helicopters". It was three months ago. Now the shares are being sold to the right and to the left. Chel in the cage !!! We can easily sell it, and take 103% of taxes from the same Gazprom as from an ordinary production worker, well, in no way - "I didn't, well, I didn't!" And in general: Putin is our V.V. on the announcement of the first sanctions after the Crimea, he promised the whole world live that "in two years everything will be fine." So it is - we are used to it and everyone is fine (it could be worse). In this vein, I do not understand - on the one hand, the Armed Forces are far from offended, on the other hand, all this is done through theft. "Where should the peasant go? The Whites came to rob, the Reds came to rob ..."
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 21 May 2016 13: 12
      +11
      The author talks about governance in NATO. And he is in many ways right. NATO, in fact, has become an American insurance company against a war event. Moreover, insurance premiums are agreed and paid regularly, but what about the payment of the insured event? That is the same. Do member countries understand this, of course! What do they hold on to? On corruption and bribery of the top authorities. Otherwise, there would be no NATO. laughing
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 21 May 2016 13: 35
        +2
        Really on a forum the minuser the NATO member was hesitated? laughing They first "tagged" like a sucker, and then the drunkard Boriska. And now we have what we have. If you want to go to Europe, join NATO. Putin also offered to join there. So what? Correctly decided to create their own "pioneer squad". And the brains of Europe are already starting to get up in place. NATO is prepared for complete collapse. The system is virtual for its taxpayers.
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 21 May 2016 15: 16
          +3
          Quote: siberalt
          If you want to Europe - join NATO.


          Hmm ... Let them be afraid that a new slogan may not appear in Russia: "You want to go to Europe? Join the ranks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation" ...

          Tank tourism in Europe has not yet been forgotten ...
    5. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 21 May 2016 13: 43
      +15
      And where did the thesis that NATO poses no threat come from? What kind of nonsense?
      NATO is an instrument of the United States, whatever the independence of the EU, etc. It is difficult to imagine a more serious enemy.
      1. gg.na
        gg.na 21 May 2016 15: 28
        +3
        Quote: Reserve officer
        a more serious enemy is hard to imagine.

        In general, any enemy should not be underestimated! The enemy is the enemy and will go to any tricks and tricks just to win! Do not give the enemy a chance to prevail over yourself! And for this it is necessary and necessary to know all sides of the enemy, both weak and strong!
    6. Altona
      Altona 21 May 2016 15: 00
      +7
      Quote: Putin
      That seems to be correct, but something seems to me either the author is too simplistic, or a troll. It’s not NATO, but nyash-mash, musi-pusi. Press down with a slipper. Underestimation of the enemy - certain death

      --------------------
      The article is mainly about the infantry. And so it will be with the infantry. Until the aviation and artillery plow everything to the lunar soil, they will not stick out. Because the logic will be something like that "the enemy knows the area better, but I do not. Therefore, well, he nafig, to die in darkness and obscurity." And so I don't see any simplifications. "Tomahawks" and "Pershing" will fly in our direction quite harmoniously.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 21 May 2016 15: 04
        +4
        Quote: Altona
        . "And so I don't see any simplifications." Tomahawks "and" Pershing "will fly in our direction quite well.



        it’s absolutely true, but it’s too much ... and therefore they climb through third countries, being sure that they will fly from there and the answer will fly ... and they understand that a direct conflict is a sentence, but there’s only one local one ... the question is ... why didn’t NATO intervene in Georgia then, why didn’t NATO intervene in Ukraine ... why didn’t NATO finally demonstrate strength in Pristina ...
        1. quote
          quote 21 May 2016 15: 17
          +16
          Quote: vorobey
          why did not NATO intervene in Ukraine

          it's all his fault!


          Happy Birthday!! Sergey Kuzhugetovich !!!!
        2. Yuri Y.
          Yuri Y. 21 May 2016 15: 44
          +3
          NATO, initially, is still an instrument of subordinating Europe to the Americans (and then Brussels, in the sense of the EU). To fight is still a different issue. Pressure yes. Costs of confrontation. The economy is still more interested in them. No wonder Putin always says that we will not get involved in the race. Who bent in the economy and he lost. But parabellum. Always a face, a blade.
          1. Yuri Y.
            Yuri Y. 21 May 2016 18: 09
            +2
            I want to add. With our economy and system, we have to choose a minimum of a minimum for raising the army. Thank God we still have good groundwork from the Soviet era. And as I get tired of the emphasis of some on the cut in the government (liberalists rule in social networks). Yes. Not without it, where it is not. It is necessary to fight, but not to go in cycles. Because there are results. Already you will not list everything at once.
        3. kotvov
          kotvov 21 May 2016 17: 10
          +5
          then in Georgia, why NATO did not intervene in Ukraine ... why finally in Pristina, NATO did not demonstrate strength ... ,,
          Georgia, Ukraine are not members of NATO, this is not the ITS, but I somehow laid out the meetings with Bush during the events of 8.8.8. His advisers offered to strike there and there, he asked, are you ready for war with Russia ?, after which, the advisers fell silent. And in Pristina, the general (Great Britain) turned out to be sober. When he was ordered to attack the airfield, he refused, saying that he did not want to be the person who unleashed the 3rd World War.
        4. Altona
          Altona 21 May 2016 21: 34
          +1
          Quote: vorobey
          I have only one question .. why didn’t NATO intervene in Georgia then, why didn’t NATO intervene in Ukraine ... why didn’t NATO finally demonstrate strength in Pristina ...

          -------------------
          Georgia and Ukraine are not members of NATO. In general, the tactics of NATO and the United States today are military bites through third countries and simply arrogant attacks. Either against athletes, then against musicians, then lawsuits as today for the Boeing of flight МН17. Let it be for now.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 21 May 2016 21: 50
            +4
            Quote: Altona
            Georgia and Ukraine are not members of NATO

            Quote: Altona
            Georgia and Ukraine are not members of NATO


            I know this, but agree to find an excuse like in Ukraine it would not hurt ...

            Quote: Altona
            In general, the tactics of NATO and the United States today are military bites through third countries and simply arrogant attacks


            and we responded with an effective attack in Syria, in Caliber and in the morning ... the Americans objected to the falling Hamers in Europe ... I do not say that they are weak or stupid, but you will not argue with the thesis of Grand Dictator Grandfather Lenin that war is a continuation of politics , and looking at their politicians, military power becomes really visible .. laughing
        5. Boatsman_Palych
          Boatsman_Palych 23 May 2016 13: 29
          0
          I think you yourself know the answer. The Russians in THESE cases have demonstrated a willingness to fight and die.
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    7. demchuk.ig
      demchuk.ig 21 May 2016 15: 55
      +4
      Quote: Putin
      It’s not NATO, but nyash-mash, musi-pusi

      Now, at every step, one can hear- "The American army and NATO are weak, the planes are bad, the tanks are bad, the aircraft carriers are old! Something this arouses suspicion and evokes different thoughts that this was well invented by someone.
      1. Katman
        Katman 21 May 2016 19: 47
        +3
        There are always enough slime-eaters and they are missing now. Sofas are warriors. Is there enough hat?
    8. MAGA
      MAGA 21 May 2016 16: 48
      0
      Quote: Putin
      That seems to be correct, but something seems to me either the author is too simplistic, or a troll. It’s not NATO, but nyash-mash, musi-pusi. Press down with a slipper. Underestimation of the enemy - certain death

      Before the start of the war with Japan, the United States had an army of 100, as the war began, the army became 14.9 million. In a week with ONE shipyard, they lowered 1 aircraft carrier each time the war began. The Japanese were waiting for something like that, but not on such a scale.
    9. max702
      max702 21 May 2016 17: 01
      +7
      Regarding NATO, we need to look more globally .. World capital (especially representatives of the chosen people) have relied on America .. All other countries on the planet are considered exclusively as a resource .. And in light of this, the impotence of Europe militarily should not be surprising .. Starting from the First World War in Europe, the most passionate representatives were just breaking out and by the 21st century the result is said to be in person .. now there is a disposal of the data of comrades in the military operations in Africa and Central Asia, in the future the turn of the Far East will come. So everything goes according to the plan of the puppeteers .. As always, we interfere fiercely .. In Syria, the first bell. Regarding 2008 and NATO standards, the Georgians were very well prepared and the work of their artillery was estimated by our military to be very effective, the rest of the rodents were simply wretched .. The laziness of the southern comrades is well known and this directly concerns IRAK. 91 is absolutely not an indicator, there is a NATO the car was at its peak and in IDEAL polygon conditions, one half-year preparation of what costs, the whole world was against Iraq .. There were no chances from the beginning .. By betting on color revolutions (cheaply and angrily) MK drove himself into a trap as soon as worked out counter measures everything stalled .. And then it turned out that there was not enough force support .. They urgently organized ISIS and others (again, not very expensive) but again Russia .. The actions of the air forces and others showed with a regular army that wants to fight, and not pretend to catch there’s nothing in open confrontation .. And now there’s a hectic search for power tools (Poles, Khokhlops, sprat extinctions, etc.) If the West is honest, it’s not very disturbing They don’t want to fight there, to anyone they say lies who want to live too much, but from Central Asia one should expect much more pressure there, now the population is finally driving poverty and putting the rest of the ranks under the banner ..
      1. MAGA
        MAGA 21 May 2016 17: 33
        +1
        Quote: max702
        but from Central Asia, much more pressure is to be expected there, now the population is finally driving poverty and putting drunk naht under the banner ..

        Well, if this is their plan, then it has worked so far by half, in Kazakhstan, rallies (YouTube). They take it into the ring, and if this plan works out, three superpowers will be drawn into this conflict - the Russian Federation, the USA and the PRC. In a word, the third redistribution of the world map.
      2. Dmitry Toderes
        Dmitry Toderes 21 May 2016 18: 27
        +1
        [quote] but from Central Asia one should expect much greater pressure there now the population is finally driving poverty and putting the drang nah osten under the banner [/ quote

        Then drang nah norse (North)
    10. poacher
      poacher 21 May 2016 23: 08
      0
      it’s all well and good, yummy there, underestimation ... what if it’s a sober look at things? It won’t turn out that we will get stronger, arm ourselves to the teeth, and then take a look, and then all the Elton johns with rubber sabers will relax ? Do not forget about the bearded, and no one canceled the rockets, soberly analyze.
    11. spiriolla-45
      spiriolla-45 23 May 2016 09: 21
      0
      Quote: Putin
      That seems to be correct, but something seems to me either the author simplifies too much or the troll

      It may be a trollite, but it’s not worth relaxing, it’s for sure the conscription service, not only that it cannot be canceled, but it should be increased, at least to a year and a half, and write it in the constitution.
    12. goose
      goose 24 May 2016 09: 55
      0
      The author is mistaken. Democracy is the dictatorship of the majority, if the rules of the minority dictate, it is no longer democracy. The correct term for this is plutocracy. This type of government is now in Europe, and in the USA, and in general in Russia.
  2. meriem1
    meriem1 21 May 2016 12: 28
    +11
    The double impression of the article! Losses? When from position areas in Poland and Romania they rummaged around us with tomahawks, then NATO warriors (read American) who are dizzy will not think about their losses. What do they Poles and Romanians ???? So, we must respond by blocking their threats with our own. And then how in 1941 it will be. When many wars did not wait, listening to the ravings of some comrades .....
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 21 May 2016 13: 25
      +6
      Quote: meriem1
      When from positional regions in Poland and Romania, Tomahawks shy across Nam,

      they can also shy from the Black, Barents Seas, from the Baltic.
      SM3 interceptors are launched from the TPU MK-41, although you can also push the tomahawk there, TPU is universal.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 21 May 2016 15: 56
        0
        And these universal TPU launchers on sea and land every year becomes more and more.
        1. Yuri Y.
          Yuri Y. 21 May 2016 20: 43
          0
          Quote: meriem1
          Losses?

          Yes, like it was already said that the enemy cannot sit out overseas (modestly so). Tomahawks, yes strength (trying to fight). But someone out there in the depths of the ocean only thinks (the whole world is in dust)))). Damn what we have? not a trio? Few? Someone said (everyone knows): “You will destroy us 10 times, and we will destroy you 2 times. Losses? Our world. Human.
          Yet. We will be afraid. All. Ours will not remain.
          1. Yuri Y.
            Yuri Y. 21 May 2016 21: 10
            +1
            Yet. Do not trust, do not fear, do not ask. It is said not in our world (not law-abiding). But when the whole world is against us.
  3. svp67
    svp67 21 May 2016 12: 28
    +4
    It is important to understand that the NATO general first of all thinks about losses, and then about tasks.
    Yeah, another "fairy tale". Of course, when your troops operate on the territory of another state, then you can think so, but if the enemy has already passed half of the territory of your country and threatens to seize it completely, will the generals of NATO countries think so? I doubt
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 21 May 2016 14: 59
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      will the NATO generals think so? I doubt it


      Poland - 27 days, Greece - 24 days, Denmark 6 hours, Norway two months, France 42 days, Yugoslavia 11 days ... and here it is worth recalling the thesis of Madame Ulitskaya that France acted wisely surrendering to the Wehrmacht troops, saving lives of people laughing Do you think that something has changed in the mentality?
      1. svp67
        svp67 21 May 2016 15: 14
        +2
        Quote: vorobey
        Poland - 27 days, Greece - 24 days, Denmark 6 hours, Norway two months, France 42 days, Yugoslavia 11 days ...

        Poland "did everything it could" and both Greece and Yugoslavia never laid down their arms, fighting with weapons in their hands using partisan methods.
        And then it is necessary to supplement the list with England, if she fled from France, then on her territory she then rested and held ... So, what about the mentality, mentality, but a lot depends on who the Leader is now.
        Quote: vorobey
        France acted wisely in surrendering to the Wehrmacht troops,
        And De Gaulle, according to French laws, became a criminal, not obeying this decision and direct order, who now can say that he was wrong? It would be interesting to ask Ms. Ulitskaya about this.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 21 May 2016 15: 28
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          but a lot depends on who the Leader is now.


          I dare to object ... in 1999, our leader drank and sold everything, but nevertheless everyone remembers the attack on Pristina ... 2014 - everyone recognized Prokhorenko ... nothing to do with the leader ...
          1. Rorabek
            Rorabek 24 May 2016 10: 53
            0
            This throw was made without his knowledge, He was busy with a bottle ... and then sobered up and canceled the operation
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        3. Toeter tier
          Toeter tier 21 May 2016 15: 51
          0
          De Gaulle didn’t take anyone seriously — Neither Churchill nor Roosevelt had so much fun in England during the whole war, at 44 he landed in the town — he pushed his speech and drove back to Albion. What could he do. He didn’t stop the resistance; he, judging by the case, didn’t lead him, so he was from England.
      2. DMB_95
        DMB_95 21 May 2016 17: 52
        +4
        Quote: vorobey


        Poland - 27 days, Greece - 24 days, Denmark 6 hours, Norway two months, France 42 days, Yugoslavia 11 days ... and here it is worth recalling the thesis of Madame Ulitskaya that France acted wisely surrendering to the Wehrmacht troops, saving lives of people laughing Do you think that something has changed in the mentality?

        Judging by the way they sag under the States and even under the Arab and African "refugees" in a fit of tolerance, their mentality has been and remains the gravedigger of the civilization of Western Europe. And our mentality has changed somewhat, but in the War, our guys can still cause fire on themselves. And in the 6th company of the Pskov paratroopers, probably not all the boys were happy when they received summons to the Army. But in the battle for Hill 776, they fought to the death like their grandfathers. When the cartridges ran out, they fought hand-to-hand and blew themselves up with grenades. No one surrendered. No, as the French we will not surrender our country.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 21 May 2016 20: 59
          +4
          Quote: DMB_95
          When the cartridges ran out, they fought hand-to-hand and blew themselves up with grenades. No one surrendered in captivity. No, as the French, we will not surrender our country.


          come back a couple of years ago ... http://topwar.ru/46116-reyting-sotrudnika-blackwater-o-boesposobnosti-voennyh-ra

          znyh-stran. button accordion not button but interesting comments laughing

          To counteract a platoon of Russian mercenaries is a fierce, bloody pi finger. They fight to the end, to the last bullet, and when the ammunition runs out - they use everything that is at hand. Mortally wounded a Russian? Do not touch it, most likely before death - he clamped a grenade without a check. Russians are inventive, have great intuition. And ... Poherists. Has the plane arrived? Poher, knock down a sapper shovel. Tank? Poher, if your hands are not broken. Fighters who have never held SVD at a critical moment are able to get out of it at the limit of range. And poher, that this was the last cartridge, will beat the enemy with the rifle itself. Tactics and strategy? Easy! By any composition, from the army to the half-dead cripple, holding alone the company of the enemy. Russians, even mercenaries, are not able to retreat. And if they retreat, be sure they just run after the cartridges.

          All of the above applies to the army, who are more or less fired. However, for this, in most cases, sufficient - the only clash ...
  4. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 21 May 2016 12: 31
    +5
    On Saturday morning in Afghanistan, a suicide bomber crashed into a convoy of US troops in a car bomb. The incident occurred in the Afghan province of Parwan in the vicinity of Bagram base.
  5. Simon
    Simon 21 May 2016 12: 32
    +9
    My opinion is, if you want to live peacefully - invest in your army! As they say, Russia has only two allies - this is the army and navy. And the 90s showed what the unilateral disarmament of the state can lead to - the state is becoming weak.
  6. realist
    realist 21 May 2016 12: 39
    +8
    read "In Europe, one very specific type of democracy prevailed - the left-liberal with its characteristic hypertrophied indulgence of any minorities to the detriment of the normal majority (this is called tolerance and political correctness). To what extent the suppression of the majority by minorities is a democracy is an extremely interesting question." and further "As a result, for some reason, more and more migrants perceive these wonderful European ideological attitudes as weakness and stupidity (moreover, it seems that this perception is quite fair)." join in, applaud and demand a clue tolerance и political correctness to ban!
    or our society is developing in the interests of the majority or it will not be in the foreseeable future!
    1. fsps
      fsps 21 May 2016 12: 59
      +4
      It is said: democracy is the submission of the majority to a minority if the minority is approved or paid for by the American ambassador. Well, what is incomprehensible here?
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 May 2016 12: 41
    +3
    I agree with the author WHOLE and completely. The army should take care of the soldier, take care of him as soon as possible, but only after he has solved his main task, for which, in fact, the society feeds her. The defense of this very state to which it swears. So let the APU quickly move to NATO mental standards. She is already the strongest on the continent (in Antarctica, I think), and will become even more formidable laughing
    1. DMB_95
      DMB_95 21 May 2016 13: 22
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      So let the APU quickly move to NATO mental standards. She is already the strongest on the continent (in Antarctica, I think), and will become even more formidable laughing

      Ruthless penguins live in Antarctica. Against them, the APU is powerless. fellow
      1. Katman
        Katman 21 May 2016 19: 58
        0
        Because they are black and white! And not red and not white. And they do not have Petlyura and the Directory, Old Man Makhno. He lay on his stomach - a stone, turned over - snow!
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 22 May 2016 15: 38
        +2
        But if suddenly they find oil in Antarctica and find out that there is no democracy ...
  8. samoletil18
    samoletil18 21 May 2016 12: 44
    +3
    In 1941, Hitler helped the Romanians near Odessa only when he went to the Crimea and strategically it gained importance. One fig, it will be necessary to destroy all this East-European Kodla so that the West-Europeans and the Americans would think about the losses. Moreover, it’s real, not virtual.
  9. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 May 2016 12: 47
    +2
    Well, I didn’t even think about self-disarmament in Europe and it won’t come to that. In Europe, the United States, tanks, planes, missiles, and ships are being mothballed by hundreds and thousands. This is just a sleeping mine. Therefore, you should not relax.
  10. populist
    populist 21 May 2016 12: 48
    0
    So many clever thoughts and all in one article! To the author +.
  11. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 May 2016 12: 52
    0
    "One of them, for example, is that the gross mistake is self-disarmament, both moral and physical, which Europe is demonstrating. This mistake should never be repeated."
    For us, Europe is a role model? Are we looking at Europe? We have to look at the USA. What examples that we should not repeat will you provide us from there?
  12. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 May 2016 12: 56
    0
    "two areas of spending should be 'sacred and inviolable' - for defense and security and for science and education."
    One, two .. sorry, lost. Cursed legacy of the past.
  13. iouris
    iouris 21 May 2016 12: 59
    -6
    Wars are fair and unjust, predatory.
    The author uses a rather strange methodology that ignores the nature of war as a continuation of politics and economics, and therefore gets a strange result. He confuses the soldier’s willingness to sacrifice his life in the name of ideals and his willingness to take risks for relatively large sums of money on market conditions.
    Moreover, war is not confined exclusively to armed struggle. The Russian Federation is not a "nationwide" state, but a class state, a cluster of raw material monopolies, which are fighting for a "fair price" for exported raw materials. For its part, the North American TNC cluster is interested in cheaper resources and total control over all resources. The confrontation between them is not limited exclusively to armed struggle. NATO is not a "virtual adversary" but a political organization of the high-tech North American TNC cluster.
    In the two world wars of the XNUMXth century, technologically backward Russia had vast human resources and territories. The problem is that today, thanks to "high" military technologies and the loss of territories in the West, the Caucasus and Central Asia, these advantages are absent. In the "democratic" RF, the price of human life is also market value. Thus, in this matter, the Russian Federation has already "switched to NATO standards," ahead of Ukraine and Georgia.
    1. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 21 May 2016 14: 19
      +2
      Is this your term paper or thesis "work" ?! The next "specialist" is coming ...
      1. iouris
        iouris 21 May 2016 16: 06
        -1
        I can bark too. Do you have any questions?
        1. ALABAY45
          ALABAY45 21 May 2016 18: 00
          +1
          There are no questions about the "essence" of your opus! So, a set of phrases on duty from the Internet And, in relation to, the ability to bark ... This is, simply, an old man's, good-natured and condescending grunt ... For my BARK! repeat (on the "smearing walls" and to the suicidal preconditions of opponents who incline) You are still very young ... hi Change the topic of your term paper before it's too late ...
          1. dauria
            dauria 22 May 2016 00: 16
            +1
            So, a set of common phrases from the Internet


            Strange ... If "duty phrases", then smash them to smithereens with "duty" counterarguments. Or does the "venerable" age of the al-chin not allow getting involved with the "petty"? You are ugly evading, sir. Tail in with dignity, or snarl. wink
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 24 May 2016 08: 56
      0
      And what was the "technological backwardness" of the USSR expressed in the military sphere during the Second World War ???
  14. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 21 May 2016 12: 59
    0
    The article is just FULL nonsense. Never underestimate the enemy. And do not forget - Europe has fought for centuries, as we actually are.
  15. erased
    erased 21 May 2016 12: 59
    +9
    Khovansky cemetery and dozens of other examples when migrants and immigrants from the southern regions of the country arrange outrage in the native Russian lands. Power is either bought or not itched. Laws do not law, the police do not police, the courts do not judge. But in the end, corpses, blood and the new name of the capital - Moskvobad. Well deserved. And not only now Moscow. Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants from countries where terrorist accomplices can be collected in batches.
    So, besides the specks in the eyes of others, one must also notice the logs in one's own. And to respond.
  16. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS 21 May 2016 13: 01
    +1
    The excesses of civilization are ruining nations.
  17. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 May 2016 13: 01
    +1
    Here is the pearl too.
    "Of course, there is nothing good if a combat mission is solved at any cost, the enemy is" overwhelmed by corpses "of soldiers. But if the army refuses to solve the problem at all in order to avoid losses, then it is no longer an army."
    Question to the author, is it allowed to fill up, for the sake of a solution or not? (As you formulate, so answer).
  18. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 13: 07
    -26%
    The article is doubtful. And of course it was written for the patriots of Russia. And Patriotism, as is well known, is the last refuge of a villain. And no one is obliged to join the army upon conscription. Maybe a person does not want? Why force him? Where is freedom of choice and democracy? Or is he sick and unfit? Why force him? It came to the point of even taking, to put it mildly, unfit for service, because it is so necessary. Today, of course, it’s an honor to serve in the army, but not for free, but if you get a salary under a contract ... then everyone will go to the army. There is no doubt about it. And to force to serve, in wild, not comfortable conditions, nobody needs it. And those who like these conditions will surely go.

    As for tolerance and freedom of choice. Everyone has the right to be whoever he wants and to live as he wants. And no one has the right to prohibit him or tell him how to live "rightly" and how "should". Each person will choose for himself. No wonder he is endowed with freedom of choice. And public opinion and the opinion of the majority that it is "necessary" and "accepted" are usually weaklings and people with the instinct of the herd, with blinders on their eyes and brains.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 May 2016 13: 31
      +15
      Judging by the written, the flag reliably reflects the place of stay ..?
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Where is freedom of choice and democracy?

      Where in the USA, EU, and Ukraine.
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Maybe a person does not want?

      Try to go to the bar. So you will say in the courts, before sentencing. Well, why plant? Maybe the defendant does not want ..?
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      It came to the point of even taking, to put it mildly, unfit for service, because it is so necessary.

      This is where, excuse me, such a mess?
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Everyone has the right to be whoever he wants and to live as he wants. And no one has the right to prohibit him something and indicate how to live "rightly" and how "should". Each person will choose for himself. No wonder he is endowed with freedom of choice. And public opinion and the opinion of the majority that it is "necessary" and "accepted" are usually weaklings and people with the instinct of the herd, with blinders on their eyes and brains.

      Those. Based on this, can I finally pick up a neighbor’s car? Well, I like her, but I don’t have enough money to buy ..? He will certainly be against it, so he will have to be killed, so that he would not interfere with enjoying the acquisition. Well, is this normal from your point of view? After all, no one, neither society, nor the state, has the right to tell me how to live and what to do?
      There is no morality, no law, there is only me and my Wishlist. Did I understand everything correctly?
    2. AID.S
      AID.S 21 May 2016 13: 43
      +12
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Everyone has the right to be whoever he wants and to live as he wants. And no one has the right to prohibit him something and indicate how to live "rightly" and how "should".

      Chikatilo applauds you!
    3. vorobey
      vorobey 21 May 2016 15: 18
      +11
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      And Patriotism, as is well known, is the last refuge of a villain.


      Gracious Empress, unfortunately you misinterpret this phrase ... pronouncing it Samuel Johnson had a completely different meaning ... that at the last frontier and a wretch the desire to serve the Motherland is not alien ... As for a professional army .. Do you know this photo?

      Quote: NatiKoshka
      And public opinion and the opinion of the majority that it is "necessary" and "accepted" are usually weaklings and people with the instinct of the herd, with blinders on their eyes and brains.
      Madame, and then what are the norms of morality?
    4. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 21 May 2016 20: 49
      +2
      About patriotism you do not understand and do not realize. You are simply non-Russian.
  19. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 May 2016 13: 13
    +2
    "Here one cannot fail to cite the example of Israel. From all points of view, this country is a classical Western democracy. And the life of its servicemen in the Israeli army is treated with such trepidation as, probably, nowhere else in the world. Nevertheless, the Israeli general thinks primarily of tasks. , and then - how to solve them with minimal losses. And he almost always decides, moreover, with minimal losses. "
    He wanted to brush away a tear of tenderness, but he caught himself in time and thought: is there a classic? And what is Western democracy, and what have you seen?
    A couple already stop sticking labels and tags, a democrat, an outcast, an evil empire and so on.
    The state, which is so related to the army as Israel, was not and never will be.
    1. There are no fools.
    2. There is an army, there is Israel.
    3. There is a soldier, there is an army.
    I am fundamentally opposed to chewing snot Western democrats.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 21 May 2016 14: 26
      +1
      I just want, excuse me, to get an intelligible answer, how Israel became a "classical Western democracy"? Moreover, from all sides. I would like to count the sides, not to be confused with the ribs. Showdowns are about the army, and Israel is generally an army state. I'm not saying this is bad. I say that under these conditions the state found a solution and received a positive result, the state exists, which is what was required. And where are the Western democracies here?
      An example is not successful, give a different theory.
    2. iouris
      iouris 21 May 2016 17: 21
      +1
      Namely "glue labels". This is the point.
      Either classical democracy or the complete absence thereof is a label.
      Politics is a concentrated expression of the economy, and war is a continuation of politics.
      "Common people" only pursue their own interests, but they are very persistent.
      NATO cannot take away virtually all of a sudden or by announcing to spread the infrastructure of a sufficiently large country, practically without losses on its part.
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 21 May 2016 20: 31
        +1
        "... NATO can not be virtualized suddenly or announcing to destroy the infrastructure of a large enough country, practically without any losses on its part ..."
        Who are you for ?! Just don’t say what kind of Russia! And Euro values ​​... Yours, I have to one place
  20. BARKAS
    BARKAS 21 May 2016 13: 14
    +2
    It is impossible not to give an example of Israel. From all points of view, this country is a classic Western democracy.

    In Israel, purely Jewish democracy and not what is not Western from all points of view!
    1. iouris
      iouris 21 May 2016 17: 28
      +1
      Quote: BARKAS
      In Israel, purely Jewish democracy and not what is not Western from all points of view!

      1) Israelis live in Israel and their president is an Israeli.
      2) Democracy is a general concept of the exercise of power in a class antagonistic society. The regime of power is more specific. The range is wide: from the type of ochlocracy to the dictatorship of varying degrees of rigidity.
      3) The "people" cannot exercise power. Powerful powers are exercised by those in power - the ruling class, the hired caste.
      4) A modern democratic society is the undivided power of capital.
      5) Capital is concentrated.
  21. konvalval
    konvalval 21 May 2016 13: 14
    +2
    To the author plus. If not 100% then 99 deserves attention.
  22. Yugra
    Yugra 21 May 2016 13: 17
    +3
    Most of the article seems to be true. But anyway, we keep our ears in the wind ...
  23. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 21 May 2016 13: 20
    +7
    I will repeat myself. one of the generals said: "To win, you must consider the enemy, at least equal in strength."
    Happer sentiment should not prevail in such analytics. Yes, recently the appearance of our Armed Forces has seriously changed for the better. But how much remains to be done to strengthen guarantees that NATO or the leadership of a country will think a thousand times before deciding on a military conflict with Russia.
    NatiKoshka
    And Patriotism, as is well known, is the last refuge of a villain


    The quote is incorrect. English philosopher Samuel Johnson once said that even for the inveterate villain, patriotism remains the last refuge. For the sake of liberal conjuncture, his statement was distorted and replicated, trying to convince us that "patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels."
  24. neo1200
    neo1200 21 May 2016 13: 22
    +3
    NATO is of course too early to write off, but the article correctly reflects the fact that most of the armies of NATO member states have significantly degraded.
  25. Strashila
    Strashila 21 May 2016 13: 25
    +2
    "They are very attentive to losses, because the state then bears financial responsibility" ... this is from military psychiatry ... if the losses exceed a certain percentage ... their officers simply refuse to go into battle.
    Actually, for this they need expansion ... they need cannon fodder ... which can be put into mincemeat without regret.
    Recall the story ... that Poland was promised in the 30s of the last century its Western ally and that today, one in one ... and the result, if it happens, will be exactly the same.
  26. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 13: 30
    -17%
    Quote: Aleksandr1959
    The quote is incorrect. The English philosopher Samuel Johnson once said that even for the inveterate villain, patriotism remains the last refuge. For the sake of liberal conjuncture, his statement was distorted and replicated, trying to convince us that "patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels."


    Even if it’s not true. The current world system is dead end. To this day, people are fighting for patches of land, for colorful rags, for some kind of their culture, ideas, they are developing only for themselves as egoists and so on ... obviously the situation is deadlock.

    It is time to completely revise the global structure. And the only way out I see in the abolition of the borders of states, the abolition of colored rags (flags), the destruction of many cultures and languages. And to introduce a single super state, with a single language, a completely new culture, without religion, with a single flag, and unite all healthy humanity into it, so that they would all be earthlings, and it doesn’t matter what color the skin or eye shape is. We are earthlings, and this must be remembered, and not someone out there thanks to some piece of land there with borders and a colored rag.
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 21 May 2016 13: 36
      +7
      fasten smoking.One state ... one language .... one culture ....
      what a utopian insanity.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 21 May 2016 22: 26
        +2
        tie up smoking
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    3. Aleksandr1959
      Aleksandr1959 21 May 2016 14: 06
      +3
      Even if it’s not true. The current world system is dead end. To this day, people are fighting for patches of land, for colorful rags, for some kind of their culture, ideas, they are developing only for themselves as egoists and so on ... obviously the situation is deadlock.

      It is time to completely revise the global structure.

      Some common phrases. Something reminds me of it. wassat
    4. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 21 May 2016 17: 00
      +1
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      And the only way out I see in the abolition of the borders of states, the abolition of colored rags (flags), the destruction of many cultures and languages. And to introduce a single super state, with a single language, a completely new culture, without religion, with a single flag,

      Somewhere I already heard it ......
      The last guys who started something like that (Marx, Engels and their guide Lenin), Somehow it sucks, it turned out and it ended too sucks ......
    5. kotvov
      kotvov 21 May 2016 17: 25
      +1
      , and to unite all healthy humanity into it, so that they would all be earthlings, and it doesn’t matter what color the skin or eye section is,
      and who will determine: this one is robust, but this one isn’t? The fact that the world order needs a different one, I agree, but alas, this will not happen tomorrow or in 50 years.
    6. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 21 May 2016 20: 55
      0
      Ku-ku Grinya! Dokukarekal! Have you read your own opus? Is everything right?
  27. Berkut24
    Berkut24 21 May 2016 13: 39
    +2
    NATO for the United States is primarily a system of control of the armed forces of their economic competitors, i.e. Of Europe. The EU is a control system for the political and economic systems of managing US economic competitors. The IMF and the World Bank are a system of financial control over the finances of US economic competitors.
    Sometimes all these monsters, at the expense of their main economic competitors, can be set against both Russia and China. But in fact, Europe and Japan are their main victims. For in spite of the stronger economic potential, these countries with the United States will never be able to do anything, and Russia, surrounded by all these "friends and strategic allies of the United States," says "and our army!" And after all, who needs to understand that they will really be buried is not at all tolerant.
    NATO is not a threat itself, it is a tool. And you need to beat not by the instrument, but by the one in whose trembling senile hands he is. And is this tool brilliant or moss-covered - what's the difference? These tools are a long list.
  28. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 13: 40
    -8
    Quote: Observer 33
    Judging by the written, the flag really reflects the place of stay ..?


    What flag are we talking about?

    Quote: NatiKoshka
    Where in the USA, EU, and Ukraine.


    Maybe.

    Quote: Observer 33
    Try to go to the bar. So you will say in the courts, before sentencing. Well, why plant? Maybe the defendant does not want ..?


    The army should not be forced. The army is like a profession and a job. A person chooses a profession and work voluntarily. Either his calling, then goes there, or not, does not go.

    Quote: Observer 33
    This is where, excuse me, such a mess?


    In Russia, for example.

    Quote: Observer 33
    Those. Based on this, can I finally pick up a neighbor’s car? Well, I like her, but I don’t have enough money to buy ..? He will certainly be against it, so he will have to be killed, so that he would not interfere with enjoying the acquisition. Well, is this normal from your point of view? After all, no one, neither society, nor the state, has the right to tell me how to live and what to do?
    There is no morality, no law, there is only me and my Wishlist. Did I understand everything correctly?


    Not. It is one thing to choose who you want to be and how you want to live within the framework of the law and not within the framework of society, and as it considers accepted and permissible. Another thing is to violate this law simply because you so wanted (theft, murder, etc.). These are different things.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 May 2016 13: 53
      +6
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      within the law

      So far, no one has repealed the law on military duty. In Russia at least.
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      because you so wanted (theft, murder, etc.). These are two different things.

      But above you wrote:
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      And no one has the right to forbid him something and indicate how he lives

      How to understand you?
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      theft, murder, and so on.

      Is evasion of military service included in the concept of "other"? (remember, this is the law)
    2. Aleksandr1959
      Aleksandr1959 21 May 2016 15: 55
      +6
      The army should not be forced. The army is like a profession and a job. A person chooses a profession and work voluntarily. Either his calling, then goes there, or not, does not go.

      Yes, the army is work, hard, necessary work.

      Not everyone likes her. And, they choose it as a profession, a very small percentage of the country's population.
      But ... sometimes there comes a time when the forces of this organized armed community are not enough to defend the Homeland. The enemy is too strong. And then, the obligation to defend the homeland becomes the duty, well, at least of every competent man. As the stakes get too high. The Bet is the very existence of the Power.
      And in order to fight, one must be prepared for this. The warrior’s task is not to heroically give their lives for their homeland, but to ensure that the maximum number of enemy soldiers gives their lives ... for our homeland. This is what the mixed principle of manning of the Armed Forces is for. In order for a short period of time, mobilized, in the event of a total war, to recall all his skills acquired in a relatively short period of service in the armed forces.

      Ahead is an immense space that still needs to be mastered (there will be enough places for everyone), but as long as people fight for the earthly "blanket" and share it like little children, nothing good will come of it.

      Do you know what awaits you there, in Space ... Peaceful and kind aliens, or the Enemy.
      Yes, and the qualities of the conqueror of space are very similar to the qualities of a military man.
    3. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 21 May 2016 20: 59
      +1
      The Russians in the blood to defend their homeland. Not for money and other benefits. Although this is not clear to you. Do not throw beads ...
  29. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 13: 42
    -8
    Quote: AdekvatNICK
    fasten smoking.One state ... one language .... one culture ....
    what a utopian insanity.


    This is the only and normal future that humanity can have. Ahead is an immense space that still needs to be mastered (there will be enough places for everyone), but as long as people fight for the earthly "blanket" and share it like little children, nothing good will come of it.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 May 2016 13: 58
      +2
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      fasten smoking.One state ... one language .... one culture ....
      what a utopian insanity.


      This is the only and normal future that humanity can have. Ahead is an immense space that still needs to be mastered (there will be enough places for everyone), but as long as people fight for the earthly "blanket" and share it like little children, nothing good will come of it.

      All this certainly sounds wonderful and tempting ... But, utopia. Another Utopia.
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 21 May 2016 15: 23
      +4
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Ahead is an immense space that still needs to be mastered (there will be enough places for everyone), but as long as people fight for the earthly "blanket" and share it like little children, nothing good will come of it.



      that's just it ...
    3. Peasant
      Peasant 21 May 2016 20: 42
      +1
      There is an immense space ahead that still needs to be mastered
      Through hardship to the stars
      (enough space for everyone)
      Are you sure?
      Who is to blame, say brother
      One is married, the other is rich,
      One is ridiculous, the other is in love
      One d u \ r a \ k, the other is your enemy?
      And whose fault is that there and here
      They wait for each other and live
      But the day is long and the night is empty
      Warm places are clogged.
  30. Igor V
    Igor V 21 May 2016 13: 55
    0
    The article is missing an important point. With minimal losses - fight remotely. If NATO does not talk about the use of a nuclear missile strike, then this means that they have it in plan. Remotely, it is also - by the wrong hands. I do not think that they will record the losses of the Young Europeans at their own expense.
  31. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 13: 57
    -9
    Quote: Observer 33
    How to understand you?


    It was about a normal way of life and not about breaking the law. For example, did I want to sleep with a horse? I made it. And no one will forbid me. Either with a schoolboy or with a cat. Or I wanted, and I walk naked on the street, or in my special clothes, or in a fur coat in the summer, or drink ice water in the cold ... and so on. It was not about breaking the law. And about the lifestyle. Laws can be observed without going to jail, but living absurdly, by the standards of stereotyped public opinion.

    Quote: Observer 33
    So far, no one has repealed the law on military duty. In Russia at least.


    Well, for now.

    Quote: Observer 33
    Is evasion of military service included in the concept of "other"? (remember, this is the law)


    This is for now. Moreover, the law should be created for a person, and not against a person.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 May 2016 14: 09
      +1
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      It was about a normal way of life and not about breaking the law.

      You see how many reservations? Ah, not ... If ... But ...
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      It was not about breaking the law. And about the lifestyle.

      For the guys from ISIS (Daesh), their lifestyle is their lifestyle. They even write laws for themselves, for convenience ...
      I am writing this, not in order to make fun of you, but in order to explain that from freedom to anarchy is one step. And from democracy to madness too. Be careful. I won’t go to serve because I am free, it’s not rolling, it’s criminal.
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Well, for now.

      Well, we live in the real world, right? Let's operate on what we have.
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 May 2016 14: 13
      +8
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      For example, did I want to sleep with a horse? I made it.

      Pity my psyche please recourse After all, that ... Not young already ... laughing
    3. AID.S
      AID.S 21 May 2016 14: 28
      +5
      Quote: NatiKoshka

      It was about a normal way of life and not about breaking the law. For example, did I want to sleep with a horse?

      Oooh, pussy raiot (sorry for transcription). Will you show mom, dad, possible children, their classmates, neighbors a photo of your first horse in the album? Well, or a video?
    4. kotvov
      kotvov 21 May 2016 17: 33
      0
      This is for now. Moreover, the law should be created for a person, not against a person. ,,
      girl, everything is correct, but for what person? maybe for thighs or the majority?
      Well, what did your men fill up with minuses? According to the composition of the phrases, it seems to me that this girl is simply trying to look for the meaning of life.
    5. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 21 May 2016 21: 02
      0
      Need a roof, call 02, a roof is on, call 01, GO ROOF-RING 03 !!!
    6. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 21 May 2016 21: 54
      +2
      "For example, I wanted to sleep with a horse? .."
      Yes, people, only "for"! And, what, Ksenia Sobchak's phone is still "unavailable" ?!
    7. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 21 May 2016 23: 35
      +3
      I wanted to sleep with a horse
      -Zoophilia.
      Or with a schoolboy
      -pedophilia
      or with a cat.
      - again bestiality.
      Completely sick
  32. sub307
    sub307 21 May 2016 14: 02
    +3
    Oh, do not "annoy" us, especially the "newly minted" NATO members:
  33. sub307
    sub307 21 May 2016 14: 06
    +2
    And in general ... we send "ardent greetings":
  34. Peasant
    Peasant 21 May 2016 14: 09
    +2
    Recently, potential "partners" have started to praise our Army painfully. And his find fault not bad. And they have planes without spare parts, and the command of the troops is wrong. So soon it will be added that there is no solarium. Although about three months ago, infa slipped through that the Germans with shovel cuttings went to the exercises. That is very doubtful. Of course, having burnt yourself in milk, you start blowing on the water. But even into euphoria, it is impermissible to fall into euphoria.
  35. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 14: 11
    -9
    Quote: Observer 33
    All this certainly sounds wonderful and tempting ... But, utopia. Another Utopia.


    Utopia say? But who really tried to implement this to call utopia? How can you call something utopia without trying?)))

    The current system is an even greater utopia. Changes have long been needed.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 May 2016 14: 18
      +1
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      But who really tried to implement this to call utopia?

      Yes, many, from the Roman Empire to the USSR and the USA. The result, as they say, on the face ...
    2. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 21 May 2016 14: 47
      +2
      start with yourself, give up your culture and flag. And leave the site. This will be the first step.
  36. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 14: 25
    -9
    Quote: Observer 33
    Yes, many, from the Roman Empire to the USSR and the USA. The result, as they say on the face ...


    So is egoism and each country better for itself? Everything around is bad (for other countries) and another country (for one) is good and it is bathed in splendor and luxury?) As for me it is still a big utopia) We are all people and we are all equal. No one should be anyone higher or lower. I am for total equality. The same can be said of states and countries.
  37. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 14: 31
    -13%
    It seems that especially patriotic people here put targeted minuses))) Well, what could be expected from you? I knew this, knowing what continent lives on this site, given the spirit in which articles and information are written here) Everything is clear with you, "comrades".
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 21 May 2016 14: 44
      +7
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      what continent lives on this site

      - already good good

      Quote: NatiKoshka
      people puts focused cons

      - because you purposefully carry nonsense, but here they do not like it ..

      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Everything is clear with you "comrades"

      - yes with you, hike, too .. You confidently go "in the skull" request
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 21 May 2016 15: 08
        +1
        Novel hi
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        but here they don’t like it ..

        It is what it is laughing
    2. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 21 May 2016 21: 05
      0
      Achinea is easier to carry than a log. Not ashamed?
  38. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 14: 39
    -13%
    Quote: NatiKoshka
    Yes, many, from the Roman Empire to the USSR and the USA. The result, as they say, on the face ...


    And yes, I forgot to say that if this system does not work, then the problem is not in the system, but in the narrow-minded people who want each for themselves and develop their nation and nationality, property, culture and language, etc. and the like. Total, the problem is not in the system, but in people.
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 21 May 2016 14: 45
      +5
      the problem is in the genes that our parents lay for us. People don’t get along at the family level .. and you want to create one state. It's just not physically possible. Only force selection taking into account the predispositions of each individual organism. And this means that others will not fit your framework. In general, selection will be. For the elect and the rest, and this is a familiar story .. One also recently filtered for Aryans and not full-fledged ones.
    2. svp67
      svp67 21 May 2016 14: 52
      +2
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Total, the problem is not in the system, but in people.

      Of course, that is, in order for the system to work, it is required to "take people out of the brackets", since they interfere with the "system" to work every time. Can you tell me how to do this?
    3. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 21 May 2016 21: 06
      +1
      Are you the person? After spending the night with a horse?
  39. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 14: 47
    -9
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    - because you purposefully carry nonsense .. they don’t like this here ..


    I do not think that I am nonsense. It’s just that people have opposite indestructible stereotyped opinions and beliefs. And yes, don't you read the article here? If you read, do you think they are written in a positive way? And it seems to me that they are written specifically for a certain continent of people. Well this is obvious. You need to be neutral in everything. This is the only true position. But the site and its inhabitants are purely far from neutral. Well, what to do ... an information war.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 May 2016 15: 05
      +8
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      I do not think that I am nonsense. It’s just that people have opposite indestructible stereotyped opinions and beliefs.

      You are absolutely entitled to your beliefs. But when you registered on the site called "MILITARY REVIEW", you had to assume that there are no globalists, liberals, supporters of "free love", and Baptist pastors ... Accordingly, do not expect any advantages. To be offended here, not at that. Do people also have a right to belief?
      But you write, write ...
      In the meantime, colleague Roman (Manul) is right, you are confidently going "into the skull".
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 21 May 2016 15: 14
      +9
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      It’s just that people have opposite indestructible stereotyped opinions and beliefs

      Nah .. it's just mostly people:

      - with real life experience. Shkolota, if he runs, it is rare, and for a long time, as a rule, does not linger
      - proceeding from existing realities

      And the existing realities are such that your "united state" has no chances either for creation or for any length of time. From the word "absolutely".

      Quote: NatiKoshka
      You have to be neutral in everything

      - tolerant, that is? This is an abusive word, actually wink

      Quote: NatiKoshka
      they are written specifically for a particular continent of people

      "The continent of people" does not happen:

      Continent is a part of land, surrounded by water from all roads laughing

      There is a horse Tingent:

      Contingent - a set of persons forming a homogeneous group, category

      Voooot ... And you can do what you want: to walk along the street naked (but if you are old and scary - I personally am against ..), sleep with a horse (just not on the street, God forbid), and so on. Finish in the madhouse, IMHO, which, however, is a consequence of your personal choice.

      I personally do not care yes
    3. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 21 May 2016 21: 08
      0
      Do not be afraid of a friend, he can betray, do not be afraid of the enemy, he can kill, be afraid of those who are indifferent, because with them ... etc.
  40. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 14: 51
    -10%
    Quote: AdekvatNICK
    the problem is in the genes that our parents lay for us. People don’t get along at the family level .. and you want to create one state. It's just not physically possible. Only force selection taking into account the predispositions of each individual organism. And this means that others will not fit your framework. In general, selection will be. For the elect and the rest, and this is a familiar story .. One also recently filtered for Aryans and not full-fledged ones.


    Well, what to do, here are such problematic people. And there can only be one solution. The extermination of objectionable and dangerous. A fit leave. And this is necessary for a specific goal (for example, the creation of a single super state) through natural selection. It seems that it doesn’t happen any other way. A swan, pike and cancer, this is a typical feature of most of humanity. Sad of course.
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    2. Toeter tier
      Toeter tier 21 May 2016 22: 06
      0
      Danger think my friend, oh dangerous ..
  41. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 14: 54
    -9
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: NatiKoshka
    Total, the problem is not in the system, but in people.

    Of course, that is, in order for the system to work, it is required to "take people out of the brackets", since they interfere with the "system" to work every time. Can you tell me how to do this?


    Or erasing old information in the brain and filling in new information (like Windows) programmed in a certain way for specific purposes. Those. essentially creating a new person. Or through physical extermination. But do not forget, you will eliminate the physical body, but the personality, and it is the soul, life, all the information of the previous owner, is not. The soul will move to another body.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 May 2016 15: 20
      +3
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      And there can only be one solution. The extermination of objectionable and dangerous. A fit leave. And this is necessary for a specific goal (for example, the creation of a single super state) through natural selection.

      belay
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Or erasing old information in the brain and filling in new information (like Windows) programmed in a certain way for specific purposes. Those. essentially creating a new person.

      Do you understand what it is?
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 21 May 2016 15: 31
        +4
        Quote: Observer 33
        Do you understand what it is?

        This is nonsense, feverish. Either by the blue drunk (or drunk blue laughing ), which, however, is almost the same ..
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 21 May 2016 15: 44
          +3
          Fuh, relieved smile And I already thought we were subject to extermination, they came to probe crying
          But I'm even blue-drunk or drunk-blue laughing I warn you, it’s so simple, you won’t take it, I, not NATO, will get up expensive soldier
          laughing
        2. dzvero
          dzvero 21 May 2016 16: 25
          +1
          No, this is a liberalistic description of the ideal consumer of Vybegailo. And how it is presented causes very unpleasant thoughts. Most likely, their technologies of mass "zombification" have already reached the final straight.
  42. weksha50
    weksha50 21 May 2016 15: 06
    +4
    "with any reduction in the state budget, two areas of expenditure should be “sacred and inviolable” - for defense and security and for science and education"...

    Good conclusion ...

    The first point seems to be fulfilled, it remains only to return to the origins of the science and education that have not yet been completely defeated ...
  43. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 15: 38
    -12%
    Quote: Observer 33
    But when you signed up for a site called MILITARY REVIEW, you had to assume that there are no globalists, liberals, supporters of "free love" and Baptist pastors ...


    Who's here then? Burnt "patriots" who will go to the other world for their colored rag? belay

    Quote: Observer 33
    In the meantime, colleague Roman (Manul) is right, you are confidently going "into the skull".


    What kind of skulls, and I don’t know ... request
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    I personally do not care


    There would have been more of them, otherwise everyone would have painfully missed each other, expressing their ardent disagreement. Although the minuses do not care for me like an elephant laughing

    Quote: Observer 33
    Do you understand what it is?


    Understand. Only in this way can a person be corrected without resorting to his physical elimination smile But a person is not valued for being stereotyped or do like everyone else, but for his individuality and dissimilarity to others.

    Quote: Cat Man Null
    This is nonsense, feverish. Or by a blue drunk (or drunk blue), which, however, is almost the same ..


    You would be silent. I can not vouch for your adequacy either.

    And if for you the word Tolerance is abusive, well, it’s not from a great mind hi To be calm about what you disagree with or disagree, it’s better than attacking like a mad dog, trying to eliminate someone with something because of something ... which goes against the beliefs and morality of a mad dog . Well, this is hardly a positive quality.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 21 May 2016 15: 54
      +5
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Quote: Observer 33
      In the meantime, colleague Roman (Manul) is right, you are confidently going "into the skull"

      What kind of skulls, and I don’t know ... request

      - soon you will find out .. everything has its time yes

      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      I personally do not care
      There would have been more of them, otherwise everyone would have painfully missed each other, expressing their ardent disagreement. Though I don’t care for minuses like an elephant laughing

      - it will not be long and soon will pass .. together with you crying

      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      This is nonsense, feverish. Or by a blue drunk (or drunk blue), which, however, is almost the same ..

      You would be silent. I can not vouch for your adequacy

      - Don’t do it for me .. vouch .. I'm a cat, walking on my own ..

      Quote: NatiKoshka
      And if for you the word Tolerance is abusive, well, it’s not from a great mind hi

      The term "tolerance" has a medical origin and means the body's immunity to antigen. (For example, an organism affected by metastases in the fourth stage of cancer is ideally tolerant).

      - Have you ever seen such an organism? I've seen it, and even held it in my hands .. I won’t wish the enemy ..

      Tolerance - the loss or decrease in the body of an animal's ability to produce antibodies. Thus, tolerance leads to the death of the body

      I repeat: in relation to human society and the rules of behavior in it - "tolerance" is a dirty word stop
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 21 May 2016 15: 59
      +5
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      And if for you the word Tolerance is abusive, well, it’s not from a great mind


      Gracious Empress, if you would delve deeper into the essence of the word, you would also become abusive .... Tolerance came from the name of the French Foreign Minister Toleiran who, thanks to his flexible mind and effective diplomacy, remained in office at the Bourbons to Napoleon, at Napoleon , after Napoleon. He was very famous and popular. From politics, this word got into psychology, sociology and all medicine. Tolerance in pharmacology means a decrease in the reaction to the repeated administration of drugs, drugs or psychoactive substances; body addiction, which requires an increasing dose to achieve the inherent effect of the substance ... and then ... overdose and death ... hi
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      2. vorobey
        vorobey 21 May 2016 20: 40
        +3
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Quote: vorobey
        Tolerance came from the name of the French Foreign Minister Toleiran who, thanks to his flexible mind and effective diplomacy ...

        - welcome hi
        - about Talleyrand - drive .. and you know for sure that drive laughing


        no always sincere in their errors .. laughing

        from lat. tolerantia - patience, patience, acceptance, voluntary transfer of suffering That's what a voluntary transfer of suffering disgusts for some reason in essence ...
    3. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 May 2016 16: 04
      +5
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Who's here then? Burnt "patriots" who will go to the other world for their colored rag?

      Well, for rags, US citizens are bursting into the next world, on "Black Friday". The people gathered here will go for something else if they call ...
      (by the way, many already had, did not reach, by the will of fate, gentlemen of God, etc., who believes in)
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      What kind of skulls, and I don’t know ...

      Find out soon laughing Follow the epaulette ...
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      abusive

      Swearing, indecent, and stupid yes
    4. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 21 May 2016 21: 13
      +2
      The fact is that on this site those people are thanks to whom you can carry nonsense on this site. Actually, you need a Censor. There will understand you.
    5. Peasant
      Peasant 21 May 2016 23: 04
      +2
      which for their colored rag
      You would be more careful with such expressions. If for you it is a rag. That’s the banner for me, and under this banner my grandfather died in the war.
  44. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 15: 50
    -9
    Quote: Observer 33
    Fuh, relieved. And I thought we were exterminated, they came to probe us.
    But I even warn blue-drunk or drunk-blue, it’s so simple, you won’t take it, I, not NATO, will get up expensive


    Why are you worried? Who needs you and is interesting?) Yes to anyone)

    Blue drunk and drunk blue? This is what and who in general?) And you look at yourself for a start)
  45. Toeter tier
    Toeter tier 21 May 2016 15: 56
    +1
    Quote: samoletil18
    In 1941, Hitler helped the Romanians near Odessa only when he went to the Crimea and strategically it gained importance. One fig, it will be necessary to destroy all this East-European Kodla so that the West-Europeans and the Americans would think about the losses. Moreover, it’s real, not virtual.

    The main thing is that the destroyers are enough, and the destroyers))))
  46. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 15: 57
    -6
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    - Have you ever seen such an organism? I've seen it, and even held it in my hands .. I won’t wish the enemy ..


    Okay, if this is a curse word, and I just learned it, I will use the word "neutrality", "neutral", "neutrality" in general.

    Quote: Cat Man Null
    I repeat: in relation to human society and the rules of behavior in it - "tolerance" is a dirty word


    Okay, does neutrality fit in?)
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 21 May 2016 16: 02
      +1
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      does the word neutrality fit?

      - fits or not - strongly depends on the horse-text in which this word is used wink
  47. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 16: 11
    -11%
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    - fits or not - strongly depends on the horse-text in which this word is used


    For example, most Russians, especially males, are unfriendly towards other nationalities living in the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as to those who come to work or visit the territory of the Russian Federation. And besides this, the same mass is hostile to people of non-traditional orientation and generally to people who are not like them (citizens of the Russian Federation) and who live differently than they (citizens of the Russian Federation). I do not think this is normal. Russia is a multinational country, as well as less think free. Therefore, everyone has the right to live in it, and no one has the right to prohibit this or dictate their conditions to them (is it possible to come and how to live).

    I hate nationalists, and do not respect patriots. One another is different. As I said earlier, you need to be calm and neutral, literally to everything and to everyone. Calmness is strength, wisdom.
    1. svp67
      svp67 21 May 2016 16: 21
      +9
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      For example, most Russians, especially males, are unfriendly towards other nationalities living in the Russian Federation,

      Where do you know this from?
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      And besides this, the same mass is hostile to people of gay orientation

      Rather, DISEASY and WARNING, as it considers it a DISEASE, I will clarify a DARK DISEASE.
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      One must be calm and neutral, literally to everything and to everyone. Calm is power.

      That is, when a girl is raped before your eyes or commit another crime, then you need to be calm and indifferent?

      Quote: NatiKoshka
      And besides this, the same mass is hostile ... to people who are not like them (citizens of the Russian Federation) and who live differently than they (citizens of the Russian Federation).
      This manifests itself only when these people try to dictate their own rules and force them to live by them. Somehow it is accepted in our country that "with your own charter you should not go into someone else's monastery." They want to live in their own way, let them live, but where they lived before. Come to us, live by our rules and do not interfere with our lives.
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 May 2016 16: 23
      +1
      Are you sober Or have beliefs changed?
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Well, what to do, here are such problematic people. And there can only be one solution. The extermination of objectionable and dangerous. A fit leave. And this is necessary for a specific goal (for example, the creation of a single super state) through natural selection. It seems that it doesn’t happen any other way. A swan, pike and cancer, this is a typical feature of most of humanity. Sad of course.

      laughing
      1. svp67
        svp67 21 May 2016 16: 46
        +1
        Quote: Observer 33
        Are you sober Or have beliefs changed?

        No, it's just that this "daughter of a naval officer" is trying to probe you ...
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    3. Cat man null
      Cat man null 21 May 2016 16: 35
      +5
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      one must be calm and neutral, literally to everything and to everyone

      Quote: NatiKoshka
      I hate nationalists and don't respect patriots

      - contradict yourself ..

      Quote: NatiKoshka
      the majority of Russians, especially males, are unfriendly towards other nationalities living in the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as coming to work or visiting the territory of the Russian Federation

      - gonevoe balimovy ..

      Quote: NatiKoshka
      and to people of non-traditional orientation and in general to people unlike them (citizens of the Russian Federation) and living differently than they (citizens of the Russian Federation)

      - Well, about the Homosexuals - everything is clear there ..
      - "dissimilar" - again, it depends on how this "dissimilarity" is expressed, and how much it interferes with others (well, for me, for example) to live according to my stereotypes of behavior (which mom and dad put in me, and in them - their parents , etc)
      - "living differently" - if this does not contradict the cultural, ethical and other norms adopted in the Russian Federation, does not violate the social order - let them .. live
      - if someone on the territory of the Russian Federation tries to live according to the laws of their own, figuratively speaking, aul - "Baba Yaga is against" yes

      That's something like request
    4. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 21 May 2016 20: 06
      +2
      And besides this, the same mass is hostile to people of gay orientation
      Did you have this observation after you slept with a horse (or horse) ????? laughing
    5. Peasant
      Peasant 21 May 2016 20: 51
      +4
      I hate nationalists, and do not respect patriots.
    6. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 21 May 2016 21: 16
      +4
      Do you respect gays? Then your rag is multi-colored, and not the flag under which you are here ... Although something is g.no, something g ... but.
  48. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 16: 26
    -9
    Quote: svp67
    Where do you know this from?


    I have many friends who have become victims of this relationship. I’m not making this up.

    Quote: svp67
    Rather, DISEASY and WARNING, as it considers it a DISEASE, I will clarify a DARK DISEASE.


    Everyone has the right to their opinion. And the belief that this may be erroneous and everyone understands this in their own way.

    Quote: svp67
    That is, when a girl is raped before your eyes or commit another crime, then you need to be calm and indifferent?


    This was not about that. Helping someone is always good, or preventing something. But to almost wish death to a person very different from another, for example, non-traditional from traditional, or black from white, then this is not normal. This must be taken calmly.
    1. svp67
      svp67 21 May 2016 16: 32
      +1
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      I’m not making this up.

      But it seems that it is ...
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      And the belief that this may be erroneous and everyone understands this in their own way.

      Wrong what? What is necessary for the continuation of the race for people of the opposite sex to love each other?
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      But to almost wish death to a person very different from another, for example, non-traditional from traditional, or black from white, then this is not normal. This must be taken calmly.

      We are quite calm about this, until “these” simply begin to impose their worldview. If you want to live your way - live, but do not meddle with others, and they do it very often.
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 May 2016 16: 39
      +2
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      But to almost wish death to a person very different from another, for example, non-traditional from traditional, or black from white, then this is not normal.

      Here is the law for this. yes Which you, by the way, do not accept ...
    3. vorobey
      vorobey 21 May 2016 16: 43
      +4
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      But to almost wish death to a person very different from another, for example, non-traditional from traditional, or black from white, then this is not normal


      Madam, you’re jumping around like a flea ... and you’re picking out some incomprehensible words ... almost wanting death is like ... and why is your conviction and this is no longer an opinion, this conviction judging by the persistence with which you impose is not erroneous ? explain the difference ..
    4. svp67
      svp67 21 May 2016 16: 49
      0
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      I have many friends who ...

      I say - DISEASE, and a contagious DISEASE.
    5. Leonid Har
      Leonid Har 21 May 2016 16: 53
      +1
      In Europe, they are just calm about the massive resettlement of refugees from the Middle East. Are you ready to patiently finance the stay of one and a half million migrants, their living in Europe? But they are precisely what they hope for. They hope that their life will be like cheese in oil, thanks to taxes that you will calmly and tolerantly pay for their maintenance. At the same time, migrants will try to teach you how to live correctly (dress code for example).
  49. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 16: 27
    -6
    Quote: Observer 33
    Are you sober Or have beliefs changed?


    I do not change anything and I was not drunk. I say what I think.
  50. NatiKoshka
    NatiKoshka 21 May 2016 16: 38
    -5
    Quote: svp67
    But it seems that it is ...


    Think I'm making it up? Well then, your right.

    Quote: svp67
    Wrong what? What is necessary for the continuation of the race for people of the opposite sex to love each other?


    Reproduction, this is not a pattern, this is a choice. Do you want to continue, do not want to do not continue. This is a matter of choice, not a necessary regularity. Moreover, in order to continue the race, you need to be a wealthy person and look confidently into the future. For the offspring must be maintained, provided and fed. And all this costs money. And if they are not, it’s better and you should not even rock the boat.

    Quote: svp67
    We are quite calm about this, until “these” simply begin to impose their worldview. If you want to live your way - live, but do not meddle with others, and they do it very often.


    Perhaps this is a feature of mentality. There is no other way to explain it.
    1. svp67
      svp67 21 May 2016 16: 44
      +3
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Reproduction, this is not a pattern, this is a choice

      What a stupid thing in your head. This is not a choice or pattern, it is our main task in this world. Otherwise, everything is NOTHING. Why would a person create and build, something if there are no people.
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Do you want to continue, do not want to do not continue.

      Interestingly, did your parents think the same thing?
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Moreover, in order to continue the race, you need to be a wealthy person and look confidently into the future. For the offspring must be maintained, provided and fed. And all this costs money. And if they are not, it’s better and you should not even rock the boat.

      If you could not save money, then you should not do this. And that which has accumulated - let down for pleasure. You have an inverted consciousness. I'm wondering in God. Do you believe?
      Quote: NatiKoshka
      Perhaps this is a feature of mentality. There is no other way to explain it.

      You’ll explain how you’ll explain, and quite quickly and very intelligibly, and most importantly, they immediately understand everything.
      1. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 21 May 2016 21: 19
        +3
        This da-sexual minority crawled onto the site and rights started to download. Get out of the Podobru-Poborov!