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In Russia, there are segments of the population who are vitally interested in modernizing


The Russian industry, with the exception of some enterprises of the defense and aerospace complexes, is based on the IV technological order. In the US, 60 percent of production, and in China, 30 percent are at the next step of progress. In these countries, VI technological mode is being actively created. States spend on defense all over Russia. Using their financial and technological superiority, the United States seeks to create such weaponthat would eliminate Russian strategic nuclear forces, ensuring impunity.

As a result, Russia will lose state sovereignty and its natural resources. They are valued at 130 trillions of dollars, and the United States has long wanted to pocket them. To prevent a catastrophic scenario, it is necessary to strengthen the defense, which is impossible without modernizing the economy. New industrialization is needed. This is hampered by a number of factors: corruption, shadow economy, lack of interest among those who must carry out modernization - officials and businessmen, destructive management methods imposed from the outside, dominance of foreign firms in the most important industries.

In practice, there are two types of corruption - domestic (on the roads, in medicine, education, etc.) and business corruption, in which officials and entrepreneurs participate. The latter eliminates the most valuable thing in the market, competition. According to estimates, the size of business corruption in Russia is about nine trillion rubles, which is comparable with the size of the state budget. In essence, there are two economies in the country: official, state-controlled, and shadow, whose volume, according to various estimates, ranges from 16 to 40 percent of GDP. About 20 million people are employed in it.

Currently, the raw materials industry in Russia is almost half owned by foreigners, and the trading networks are 90 percent. Domestic financial exchanges at 70 percent are controlled from abroad. The domestic money market is regulated by foreigners in their own interests (for more information, “The ruble is head of everything”). Thus, a significant part of the country's economy is already controlled by our geopolitical opponents who are not interested in modernizing the Russian economy.

All collective farm


Over the past 15 years, the need to create high-tech enterprises and industries that will increase the quality of products and ensure a multiple increase in labor productivity have been repeatedly proclaimed from high tribunes. No results. Although the country has a social stratum, vitally interested in modernizing the country. These are workers, engineers, scientists, and also military.

State to machineIn order for them to actively engage in the modernization process, it is necessary to adopt the draft laws “On labor collectives” (passed the first reading) and “On the self-governed national enterprise” prepared by the State Duma. The purpose of legal innovations is to establish control over the heads of enterprises (through an elected Council of the labor collective). This will immediately stop the flow of bribes from “effective managers” to officials, the transfer of Russian capital abroad and other frauds. The State Duma also prepared a draft law “On Parliamentary Control”, which ensures the transparency of the use of the state budget by the executive power, which will be a serious obstacle for the embezzlers. But only the president can convince the deputies to adopt this package of laws.

Enhancing the role of labor collectives makes it possible to create an ecologically clean economy that produces goods that are useful for human health and restore traditional values ​​for Russia (collectivism, social justice, etc.). The support of labor collectives of enterprises of all forms of ownership will make it possible to abandon the current liberal monetarist methods of economic management. They were introduced in Russia in the 90-ies under US pressure to turn an industrial country into a raw materials appendage of the West. Instead of these destructive methods, it is necessary to introduce planning-market methods that have been widely and successfully used in different countries: in the USSR, Yugoslavia, and modern China (“NEP in the sixth generation”).

Market by plan

VTsIOM conducted a survey of the population: what management methods do you consider effective - Soviet planned, market or planned-market ones? As a result, 18 percent of respondents voted for planned, 28 for market, 45 for market planning. That is, the majority of the population, unlike the people who run the Russian economy and impose their erroneous views on the political leadership of the country, proposes to solve the problem using a combination of plan and market.

The most interesting experience for more than 40 years has been gained in Yugoslavia. There all enterprises were self-managed and worked on a commercial basis. But the land, factories, mines, etc., remained public (state) property and were only transferred to labor collectives for use. Such a system of management represented a higher stage of socialism in comparison with the Soviet one, where the market and the self-government of labor collectives were absent and administrative regulation prevailed.

The Yugoslav state established the rules for the operation of this market and controlled it, setting benchmarks for enterprises for ten years or more. For many years the growth rate of the economy was seven to eight percent. Experts called this the Yugoslav economic miracle. The enterprises were headed by the Councils of labor collectives, as well as the director selected by competition. In strategic enterprises, he was appointed by the government. An effective system of material and moral incentives was used. Employees received not only salary, but also remuneration depending on the profitability of the enterprise. This unique, self-managing system was destroyed in 1999 by the American Tomahawks.

Reserves underfoot

For Russia, the problems of modernization (new industrialization) can be solved only by planned-market management methods. To do this, we must use the experience of those countries where they successfully functioned.

The most urgent tasks of import substitution are the restoration of the country's food and drug security. Russia has huge unused reserves. Consider those that lie, as they say, on the surface.

First, about 40 of millions of hectares of agricultural land is empty. According to experts, Russia can feed more than 500 millions of people, that is, significantly increase food exports.

Secondly, if those natural resources (oil, gas, metals, timber), which are now exported raw, are processed into high-quality finished goods, export revenues will increase tenfold in the energy mix, five times in wood, and three times Millions of high-paying jobs will be created. And now these revenues go to foreign countries that process Russian raw materials into finished goods with the help of equipment of the V technological order.

A key problem in the industry is the creation of a modern machine tool industry that corresponds to this structure: software-controlled units, flexible automatic lines, computers and robots. This is necessary to upgrade the equipment fleet in all sectors of the national economy, including in the military-industrial complex, without which it is impossible to equip the army with the latest weapons. Without a modern machine tool industry, there will be neither transport, nor agricultural machinery, nor medical equipment.

Buying abroad of individual machines and equipment for some enterprises, as is being done now, is strategically unprofitable, because when the mechanisms are depreciated (morally, physically) or broken, you will have to buy new or at least spare parts. That is, technological dependence on the West becomes permanent. A supply at any time can be blocked by sanctions. Currently, enterprises buy only 13 percent of new machine tools and equipment abroad. The rest of the import - depreciated equipment, which is taken on the cheap. Such a “renewal” of production assets guarantees Russia a lag from progress and makes domestic products uncompetitive.

Today, the share of foreign products in machine tools is more than 90 percent, in radio electronics - 80 – 90 percent. According to the Ministry of Industry and Trade, with modern management methods, it is realistic to reduce imports in these industries to 50 – 60 percent by 2020 year, that is, it will take about 20 years to complete import substitution. Of stories Our country knows that with planned market approaches, more complex tasks were solved several times faster. So, in 1921, the volume of industry in the USSR was 13 percent of Russian in 1913, and in 1925, it was completely restored, despite the terrible post-war devastation.

The industry of modern machine tools is unable to create an economic, mainly raw Russian elite, as evidenced by virtually zero results in this field over the past 25 years. It can only be the state. Machine-tool factories, which domestic manufacturers cannot afford, must be imported through the sale of natural resources, and food, medicines, clothing, shoes, household appliances, and furniture should be produced by themselves and not to spend money on it (hundreds of billions of dollars a year).

With the necessary level of V technological order, labor productivity and the quality of life of the population will rise at times, and Russian goods, not only weapons and raw materials, will become competitive in the world market.
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  1. Koshak
    Koshak 15 May 2016 18: 11
    +26
    That's right, but time is running out! angry
    1. Finches
      Finches 15 May 2016 18: 24
      +80
      By the way, given that the representatives of the modern nomenclature are mostly people from the Komsomol nomenclature, they are theoretically well acquainted with the planned system of economic management, but they also understand very well that their shadow income in this case will fall catastrophically, which is natural can not please them in any way ... And everything is fine - they say beautiful words about Great Russia, without hitting a finger, and money from resources falls into their accounts in London!
      1. cniza
        cniza 15 May 2016 18: 55
        +15
        As the "bees" will fight against "honey", it is necessary to work and drive the officials and gradually put things in order.
        1. PKK
          PKK 15 May 2016 19: 52
          +23
          Here's another thing, the Global Predictor, allowed Russia to create a strong Army and modern weapons, but there is no permission to develop Industry. It will be necessary to develop independently on its own against all. Russia now does not have the same conditions as were in the beginning USSR. Then there were effective measures of coercion and education of the population and the elite. The elite then changed by the way. Now the elite does not change. Just changing the elite, you can dream about something. In addition, then from Tsarist Russia there were great wealth that was confiscated and went to industry. Then the elite I didn’t manage to take much out. Now there’s time for the current elite and they take out trillions. Stalin, there’s no other option.
          1. 97110
            97110 15 May 2016 22: 40
            +5
            Quote: PKK
            Stalin's staff, there is no other option.

            To whom is the request? Who has the authority to "appoint Stalin"?
            1. FenH
              FenH 15 May 2016 22: 49
              +7
              Quote: 97110
              Quote: PKK
              Stalin's staff, there is no other option.

              To whom is the request? Who has the authority to "appoint Stalin"?


              At first, under the applause of Khrushchev, they carried Stalin out of the mausoleum, shot Beria, slandered with the "Cult of personality", let the Soviet Union collapse, and now give Stalin good Comrades, where were you in 1953 and 1991?
          2. mihasik
            mihasik 15 May 2016 22: 41
            +7
            Quote: PKK
            Stalin's staff, there is no other option.

            I agree.
            Putin somehow announced to the camera that he is essentially a liberal, which is generally confirmed by his actions within the country and the gracious trembling of Russophobes, encrypted as liberals and their further actions against residents of the past and present Russia.
            But here's the question. Will the current relaxed-liberal society, nurtured by the "Chubais and Gaidars", be able to withstand another harsh shake-up? Indeed, otherwise the system and the consciousness of the population is unlikely to change.
            1. Alf
              Alf 15 May 2016 23: 49
              +9
              Quote: mihasik
              Will the current relaxed-liberal society, nurtured by the "Chubais and Gaidars", be able to withstand another harsh shake-up?

              Who do you call a "relaxed liberal society"? If that trash from Echo of Matzo, Rain and RBC, then there are very few of them. They just stink louder and smelly of all. And the rest of the population of Russia, seeing that there are no changes for the better inside, but, in reality, it is only getting worse, they will vote for such changes at least out of a sense of self-preservation.
              1. mihasik
                mihasik 16 May 2016 02: 34
                +6
                Quote: Alf
                Who do you call a "relaxed liberal society"?

                I'm talking about the generation that we have already lost. Take at least the same Sergey Lazarev, who played for the Russian Federation at Eurovision 2016. Talented, seemingly not stupid, athletic, and Crimea is Ukrainian for him. After all, he does not even realize that Crimea was handed over illegally to Ukraine as many as two times, and what Crimea is for the former Soviet people. Do you understand? A whole generation grew up divorced from history with "wired" brains. And soon such young people trained in Oxford will go into politics, and then into power. And what will we become? Another US colony? Although, in principle, they are already there. Look at the Medvedev Government.
                1. ziqzaq
                  ziqzaq 17 May 2016 03: 29
                  0
                  Quote: mihasik
                  I am talking about the generation that we have already lost. Take at least the same Sergey Lazarev, who played for Russia at Eurovision 2016. Talented, it seems not stupid, sports, but the Crimea for him is Ukrainian. He doesn’t even realize that Crimea was illegally transferred to Ukraine as many as two times, and what Crimea is for former Soviet people. Do you understand?

                  Good day, comrade officers ....
                  In my opinion, the night is equal to the guys from Eurovision, here Alexander Prokhorenko is another matter .... These should be the new elite of Russia ...
            2. bovig
              bovig 16 May 2016 09: 19
              0
              Quote: mihasik
              Quote: PKK
              Stalin's staff, there is no other option.

              I agree.
              Putin somehow announced to the camera that he is essentially a liberal, which is generally confirmed by his actions within the country and the gracious trembling of Russophobes, encrypted as liberals and their further actions against residents of the past and present Russia.
              But here's the question. Will the current relaxed-liberal society, nurtured by the "Chubais and Gaidars", be able to withstand another harsh shake-up? Indeed, otherwise the system and the consciousness of the population is unlikely to change.

              Well, our society is not quite liberal-relaxed ... Moreover, our history knows examples of both a hard shake-up and lightning-fast restructuring of public consciousness, especially in hard times ...
          3. Tungus
            Tungus 15 May 2016 22: 42
            +7
            In general, everything is true. But. Previously (the first quarter of a century), the economy of the whole world was oriented towards industrialization. The pace of technical, and even more scientific, growth was much lower than modern. In addition, when the competition degenerated into military clashes, the opposing sides relied on international law. And now. There is one hegemon in the world. Not industrialization, but the SGA dollar. The world is not otivized to achieve breakthroughs in science, economics, industry, etc. And on the banal consumer. It sounds like bl.dstvo, but still. Again, the time taken to deliver coercive means to increase consumer demand through NATO bases has become ten times shorter. That's actually a little short one.
            Sincerely.
          4. akendram
            akendram 15 May 2016 22: 59
            +2
            At that time, great wealth remained from Tsarist Russia, which was confiscated and went into industry. Not quite right, then the remaining gold was also exported, remember the purchase of steam locomotives, but about the tsar’s riches, they weren’t eaten, the war ate the tsar’s debts, but the Bolsheviks refused to recognize account of the intervention of the Entente against Russia.
            1. 34 region
              34 region 15 May 2016 23: 27
              +13
              22.59. This is what wealth remained of tsarist Russia? Ten years of war, 1914-1924 and wealth! Is that destruction that wealth? And the fact that they refused to admit is right. But the new authorities of the 90s recognized them (debts). We would have to bill for the good West for that war. Rather, they owe us. hi
          5. bovig
            bovig 16 May 2016 09: 02
            +2
            Quote: PKK
            Here's another thing, the Global Predictor, allowed Russia to create a strong Army and modern weapons, but there is no permission to develop Industry. It will be necessary to develop independently on its own against all. Russia now does not have the same conditions as were in the beginning USSR. Then there were effective measures of coercion and education of the population and the elite. The elite then changed by the way. Now the elite does not change. Just changing the elite, you can dream about something. In addition, then from Tsarist Russia there were great wealth that was confiscated and went to industry. Then the elite I didn’t manage to take much out. Now there’s time for the current elite and they take out trillions. Stalin, there’s no other option.

            I agree with you by 80%, I will object by 20% ...))) From Tsarist Russia, not so much got to the Soviet power, so I had to sometimes resort to tough measures, because industrialization was vital ... Now, all the achievements The Stalinist economy was ruined and plundered - the legacy is also not so hot, taking into account the wishes of the state enterprise, but the base in the engineering staff is still alive (not all have been killed yet). And cadres, as Stalin said, decide everything! We need political will, against which, by the way, is not only the Global Predictor, but also the formed neoliberal nomenclature ... Here's how to deal with it? There are two ways: to make it work in the national interest, or to carry out "garbage lustration" ...)))) The choice is ours and, soon elections to the State Duma ...)))
        2. bovig
          bovig 16 May 2016 08: 13
          +4
          Quote: cniza
          As the "bees" will fight against "honey", it is necessary to work and drive the officials and gradually put things in order.

          This is true, only our influence from below does not reach the top nomenclature. It is necessary to simulate such a situation so that they begin to eat each other for inaction and irresponsibility ... The elections to the Duma are coming and if the new composition is formed in such a way that the systemic opposition (no matter what proportion) in aggregate amounts to 65-70% of the deputy corps, so that there is a counterbalance to the monopoly United Russia, then the whole country will become CLEARLY "xy out of xy" before the next elections - this is in the worst scenario ... There will be no one to turn the arrows to, EVERYONE will need to work! And if everything remains approximately in the current situation, then you do not need to go to the grandmother to guess how it will end, and who will be to blame ...
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      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 15 May 2016 19: 01
        +9
        Quote: Finches
        By the way, given the fact that representatives of the modern nomenclature, these are mostly people from the Komsomol nomenclature,

        I doubt it ... in my opinion, half in the 90s, I wore raspberry jackets ...
        1. Finches
          Finches 15 May 2016 19: 11
          +17
          No, they divided the spheres of influence by agreement, but with the clear advantage of the Komsomol members, and some of the most odious raspberry jackets were sent to the forefathers! Party ferment was more vigorous than prison ... laughing
          1. bovig
            bovig 16 May 2016 09: 26
            +1
            Quote: Finches
            No, they divided the spheres of influence by agreement, but with the clear advantage of the Komsomol members, and some of the most odious raspberry jackets were sent to the forefathers! Party ferment was more vigorous than prison ... laughing

            That's for sure, the crimson jackets were given time to show off, and then they were skillfully cleaned ... Of course, only a few managed to hold out and even entered the new "elite" ...
        2. shuhartred
          shuhartred 15 May 2016 19: 35
          +7
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          I doubt it ... in my opinion, half in the 90s, I wore raspberry jackets ...

          One does not interfere!
        3. 97110
          97110 15 May 2016 22: 48
          +9
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          .In my opinion, half in the 90s, wore raspberry jackets.

          Unfortunately, their fathers wore. Look around, you can see how these kids frolic. They studied history according to the instruction manual for the Alabama Negroes at Ford's factories and firmly believe that humanity is divided into HOSTS (these are they) and SLAVES (these are not them), who should be grateful to them. This I fight not by blood but by the London spirit and will lead the country to an explosion. Because the planned result of their activities is the surrender of Russia to the West for a cap of crackers to them personally.
      4. Nick
        Nick 15 May 2016 20: 52
        +6
        Quote: Finches
        By the way, given the fact that representatives of the modern nomenclature are mostly people from the Komsomol nomenclature, in theory they are well acquainted with the planned system of economic management,

        Unfortunately, they only know administration, not economic management. The planned-market economy created in the USSR in the 20-30 years was liquidated in the 1955 year by N.S. Khrushchev. In the 60 years in the USSR reigned state-monopoly capitalism
        1. Finches
          Finches 15 May 2016 21: 33
          +4
          The main thing they know is that tight control by the state in the field of economics will hit their well-being! This is exactly - unfortunately! And it is not possible to break this system in modern conditions ...
          1. Nick
            Nick 15 May 2016 21: 49
            0
            Quote: Finches
            The main thing they know is that tight control by the state in the field of economics will hit their well-being! This is exactly - unfortunately! And it is not possible to break this system in modern conditions ...

            Well, why? All the same, they broke the Semibankirshchina ...
            1. Finches
              Finches 15 May 2016 22: 37
              0
              This very nomenclature, in essence, is the existing system! All the same, the CPSU school is felt ... And it was she who absorbed the seven-boyars who got in the way of all the blessings of Russia or more than that, she first put forward these oligarchs, and when they did their job, they absorbed them like waste material ...
            2. dauria
              dauria 15 May 2016 23: 02
              +7
              All the same, they broke the Semibankirshchina ...


              Now is it five-bankers, or two-bankers? laughing
              And where have you thrown the wreckage, can’t you say?
              Eh, I would neigh, but it's not funny. This multi-banking system has settled, fermented and is now called "United Russia".
        2. bovig
          bovig 16 May 2016 09: 41
          +2
          Quote: Nick

          Unfortunately, they only know administration, not economic management. The planned-market economy created in the USSR in the 20-30 years was liquidated in the 1955 year by N.S. Khrushchev. In the 60 years in the USSR reigned state-monopoly capitalism

          Here, straight, I wanted to quote ...))) Very accurately noticed! That is why we have in the management corps not hard workers, but "effective managers" and "caring private owners" ... But in fact, instead of real business executives and statesmen - marginalized temporary workers ...
      5. bovig
        bovig 16 May 2016 07: 50
        0
        Quote: Finches
        By the way, given that the representatives of the modern nomenclature are mostly people from the Komsomol nomenclature, they are theoretically well acquainted with the planned system of economic management, but they also understand very well that their shadow income in this case will fall catastrophically, which is natural can not please them in any way ... And everything is fine - they say beautiful words about Great Russia, without hitting a finger, and money from resources falls into their accounts in London!

        For this very reason, Western sanctions (including offshore disclosures) are acting for the good of our country. Only, so far, they are poorly convincing this nomenclature, which is still hoping for the lifting of sanctions ... Ulyukaev has already made it clear that they have no intention of doing anything for three more years - just wait for Putin, Shoigu and Lavrov to be razed ... They, of course , there is something to wait for (salaries have been established to keep its average growth rate), but ordinary people with the country's economy are held hostage by this situation ...
      6. Gogia
        Gogia 17 May 2016 09: 51
        0
        Why talk about corruption and modernization, if the manager of the President of the Russian Federation after receiving this position increased his income to 80 million rubles. 10 times. It becomes a shame. So mini-hotels can’t be done in the apartment, you can’t pick your finger in the nose, and you can remove chips from the people for these parasites ...
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 May 2016 18: 26
      +28
      All collective farm
      I honestly don't like this garbage. Here it is always like this: collective farm, peace, for sick children on the "box" of a penny ... and I remember the "assault" (five-year plan in three days). is that ineradicable? there is no Schaub about "high-tech enterprises", yes, yes, we have heard that they are being created and presented as "job creation" for 250-300 people! forgive, but our people are much more, and we need a lot of work, but ... soon there will be no one to work, old people under 70, worth their weight in gold, experienced, knowledgeable, but no longer able to work, come and work, these pennies are not for young people interesting. They in a taxi on a tattered "nine" drive more in a day than a veteran at the bench in a month. Yes, yes! in the outback, "pay" of 10 thousand is the norm ... everything is complicated, I do not see a way out yet. (I myself work on retirement)
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 15 May 2016 18: 52
        +30
        Everyone understands everything perfectly, only on the part of the authorities there is one talking room, like, one must fight corruption, one must get off the oil needle, one must revive the industry, etc. etc., but only a talking room and remains speaking from a high tribune. and meanwhile, over the past 15 years, much more factories and factories have been destroyed and sold than during ebna.
        And privatization is gaining momentum again, the liberal government is sitting still and waiting for oil prices to rise, and the people are again being told noodles about "revival", "getting up from their knees", "looking for the bottom", endless "messages", "messages" on TV, "communication", only nothing changes!
        Here they are the fruits of anti-people’s power:
        http://swalker.org/zavodi/
        1. bovig
          bovig 16 May 2016 10: 15
          +1
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          Everyone understands everything perfectly, only on the part of the authorities there is one talking room, like, one must fight corruption, one must get off the oil needle, one must revive the industry, etc. etc., but only a talking room and remains speaking from a high tribune. and meanwhile, over the past 15 years, much more factories and factories have been destroyed and sold than during ebna.
          And privatization is gaining momentum again, the liberal government is sitting still and waiting for oil prices to rise, and the people are again being told noodles about "revival", "getting up from their knees", "looking for the bottom", endless "messages", "messages" on TV, "communication", only nothing changes!
          Here they are the fruits of anti-people’s power:
          http://swalker.org/zavodi/

          That's why I don't watch TV - it splits, but no, it splits consciousness into pieces. You watch TV - everything is not so bad with us; you go to some shopping mall - everything is so great with us, there would be money; but you go out into nature (crap), or "outside the city outskirts" into rural reality (NOT a summer cottage area) - such melancholy rolls over from the number of such photographs in nature that you involuntarily recall the war that you weren't ... After the Second World War, already on the second a year they began to reduce prices for essential goods (not to mention the restoration of the destroyed economy), and then a decade and a half turned out to be not enough ...!
      2. bovig
        bovig 16 May 2016 09: 54
        +1
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        All collective farm
        I honestly don't like this garbage. Here it is always like this: collective farm, peace, for sick children on the "box" of a penny ... and I remember the "assault" (five-year plan in three days). is that ineradicable? there is no Schaub about "high-tech enterprises", yes, yes, we have heard that they are being created and presented as "job creation" for 250-300 people! forgive, but our people are much more, and we need a lot of work, but ... soon there will be no one to work, old people under 70, worth their weight in gold, experienced, knowledgeable, but no longer able to work, come and work, these pennies are not for young people interesting. They in a taxi on a tattered "nine" drive more in a day than a veteran at the bench in a month. Yes, yes! in the outback, "pay" of 10 thousand is the norm ... everything is complicated, I do not see a way out yet. (I myself work on retirement)

        Difficult, I agree ... But you have to figure it out and find a way out. If only because young people NEVER - they have worries above the roof ... And, the traditional bottle of foamy drink relaxes after struggling to survive, blocking reflections on higher topics: about the state structure. In retirement, not in retirement, but we will have to "reach out" to the "last shelter" - we got such a share, if the fate of the Motherland is not indifferent ...
      3. Gogia
        Gogia 17 May 2016 10: 22
        0
        Yes, just do not forget how much the owners of this plant receive and how much the "managers" receive. And don't talk about the salaries of engineers at all. Kazan Helicopter Plant. Good turner or milling machine 25-35 tr. and a specialist in the laboratory of strength 15000. Isn't that a bum. The foul Muscovites came - they bought everything and pumped money. The entire budget of the defense industry complex is shoved into the pockets, but crumbs remain for working people. Exit to bomb by taxi. This is from a conversation with a taxi driver - the former head of the KVZ strength laboratory.
    3. 13 warrior
      13 warrior 15 May 2016 19: 02
      +21
      The article is correct, everything is written and indicated well. And the majority of the population understands this. BUT, sometimes a suspicion creeps in that in the circles of the "elite" this understanding disappears like morning fog. That, like the tsarist ruling circles, modern government representatives are not interested in the next round of industrialization, because coins are already dripping into the accounts.
      Why do we need medetsina? -Russian women are fertile., Why do we need education? -Educated man is dangerous for his literacy. Well, etc.
      The bills of transformation and development were discussed a hundred years ago, under Nicholas 2, and now. And things are still there ... But they still remember how it ended in the year 17.
      I am not calling for anything, but the associations are just that.
      1. ava09
        ava09 15 May 2016 19: 38
        +1
        Quote: 13 warrior
        I am not calling for anything, but the associations are just that.

        Calling for something is difficult, especially useful. Talking about the economy as the main cause of disasters in Russia is silly. It has always been secondary to morality. Example: How is the Social Economy different from the comprador-bourgeois economy? Two economies, and which are different. As long as the current system of power in its immoral paradigm will exist in RFii, you will at least start talking about economies. Air concussion and no more ...) This is not about the President, he is just a manager who, by the way, copes in many areas. As for the rest, the special services and he himself are not divided. And you can't get into their heads.)))
        1. Portolan
          Portolan 15 May 2016 20: 10
          +11
          Quote: ava09
          It's not about the President, he's just a manager, by the way


          I think that EVERYTHING BASES ON THE PRESIDENT, and the prime minister and the head of the Central Bank would have the political will to change something, because there is none.
          1. ava09
            ava09 15 May 2016 21: 44
            0
            Quote: Portolan
            I think that EVERYTHING BASES ON THE PRESIDENT, and the prime minister and the head of the Central Bank would have the political will to change something, because there is none.

            I bow that these are all your guesses ...) The owner of the will in the system of supranational government cannot be someone's PRESIDENT. Why would Putin call his office that way if his decisions depend on no one and nothing but his own "political will"?
            1. Portolan
              Portolan 16 May 2016 00: 05
              +2
              Quote: ava09
              I bow that these are all your guesses ...) The owner of the will in the system of supranational government cannot be someone's PRESIDENT. Why would Putin call his office that way if his decisions depend on no one and nothing but his own "political will"?



              BLUYABLYA? you would be in the State Duma, there are many words without content ...
        2. 13 warrior
          13 warrior 15 May 2016 20: 56
          +10
          So I wrote about that, perhaps somewhat inertly.
          We have a crisis of power, not an economy.
          Almost no men with state thinking, most temporary workers.
          And we are all here, on the forum, we are only letting off steam ... Maybe it was created for this purpose so that they would not take out discussions on the streets?))
          There are those who say: try it yourself.
          Maybe you won’t believe it, but we tried it. All initiatives were cut off at the level of middle managers. Top management is more concerned about appearance. So with us, and how are you?))
      2. bovig
        bovig 16 May 2016 10: 35
        +1
        Quote: 13 warrior
        The article is correct, everything is written and indicated well. And the majority of the population understands this. BUT, sometimes a suspicion creeps in that in the circles of the "elite" this understanding disappears like morning fog. That, like the tsarist ruling circles, modern government representatives are not interested in the next round of industrialization, because coins are already dripping into the accounts.
        Why do we need medetsina? -Russian women are fertile., Why do we need education? -Educated man is dangerous for his literacy. Well, etc.
        The bills of transformation and development were discussed a hundred years ago, under Nicholas 2, and now. And things are still there ... But they still remember how it ended in the year 17.
        I am not calling for anything, but the associations are just that.

        The associations, it must be admitted, are not rosy ... I often wonder if they say and write in order to lull my vigilance: they say, we see everything, we are aware, we are trying, but an external enemy interferes ... Even the National Liberation Organization movement) created under the auspices of the United Russia, headed by Fedorov. Talking house at all levels, sometimes sound reasoning, but how it touches the case, so "they wanted the best, but it turns out as always" ... For example, they talk long and hard about supporting entrepreneurship, but in practice?
    4. My doctor
      My doctor 15 May 2016 19: 32
      +7
      Quote: Koshak
      That's right, but time is running out! angry

      What is right?
      Instead of these destructive methods, market-oriented,
      Plan-market management methods have long been implemented all over the world (with the exception of the DPRK - as we do not know), but in the economy of each country the ratio between them is distributed differently.
      An increase in the role of labor collectives makes it possible to create an environmentally friendly economy that produces goods that are good for human health and restore traditional values ​​for Russia (collectivism, social justice, etc.).
      Golden words, probably who wrote them, NEVER BEEN A PART OF THE WORK TEAM, and does not have the slightest idea of ​​intra-collective relations as well as the goals and motives of behavior of any of its members.
      In the end, I’m minus the article
      1. atalef
        atalef 15 May 2016 19: 57
        +5
        Quote: MyVrach
        Plan-market management methods have long been implemented around the world.

        Who would explain to me in more detail what plan-market means?
        How much and where?
        What does the state control and plan, the number of state monopolies, what kind of animal is it?
        And then everything seems to be over, but no one really knows what?
        Quote: MyVrach
        In the end, I’m minus the article

        Definitely - the article is a set of slogans and cliches (which is generally not bad), but in the end - nothing
        1. 13 warrior
          13 warrior 15 May 2016 21: 27
          +11
          What did you want from the author? An extensive plan of transformations and changes?
          I fully admit that an article with detailed offers may appear on the pages of the site, but the problem is that it will remain here.
          But the Government and the State Duma will not even hear about it.
          1. bovig
            bovig 16 May 2016 12: 02
            0
            Quote: 13 warrior
            What did you want from the author? An extensive plan of transformations and changes?
            I fully admit that an article with detailed offers may appear on the pages of the site, but the problem is that it will remain here.
            But the Government and the State Duma will not even hear about it.

            Well, at least it wanders in the minds, you see, in a hundred years it will sprout ... As one of the Decembrists answered Pushkin: "Our sorrowful work will not be lost - a flame will kindle from a spark!")))))) After all, first appeared " The utopia of Thomas More, then a ghost began to roam Europe, then there were repeated attempts, one even ALMOST successful ...
        2. Altona
          Altona 15 May 2016 21: 34
          +7
          Quote: atalef
          Definitely - the article is a set of slogans and cliches (which is generally not bad), but in the end - nothing

          ------------------
          Captain Obvious I would say. Now there is no free market or planned economy. There is the diktat of multinationals, transnational corporations, which dictate everything - from the color of the boots for the season to where the war should be now. The fact that the people are "a brainless herd" for them was clearly demonstrated yesterday by Eurovision, where American democracy has lowered everyone like sheep. The viewers' opinion was completely ignored. American democracy in action - the people vote, and the choice is made by incomprehensible people from the "jury" (electors like in the USA). The rights to Eurovision were bought by the United States and everything became clear.
          1. asiat_61
            asiat_61 16 May 2016 04: 29
            +7
            I am glad that this Tatar won. Sala Ukraine !!! On the next Eurovision Sabantuy, all the homosexuals will be trampled to Ukraine. And it pleases. I have not watched any programs of this seam, enough for the news.
        3. ava09
          ava09 15 May 2016 21: 54
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          Who would explain to me in more detail what plan-market means?

          Stalinist ...
          Quote: atalef
          What does the state control and plan, the number of state monopolies, what kind of animal is it?

          "State" is a special body in the system of power, existing as a "public relations body" ...
          Quote: atalef
          Definitely - the article is a set of slogans and cliches (which is generally not bad), but in the end - nothing

          Now explain to me, please, why is "a set of slogans and cliches" not bad? Especially when they are about nothing ...)
      2. bovig
        bovig 16 May 2016 11: 48
        +1
        Quote: MyVrach
        Plan-market management methods have long been implemented all over the world (with the exception of the DPRK - as we do not know), but in the economy of each country the ratio between them is distributed differently.

        Not for the sake of arguing, but just for the sake of curiosity ... What planned-market management methods are implemented in our country - Russia? I observe monopoly-corporate and oligarchic-corruption ones, but I do not see the planned-market ones! I will try to briefly substantiate my position: I am an individual entrepreneur, a manufacturer of services in the field of electrical work. After registering, he attacked the administrations of the available levels so that they would include me (on a competitive basis) in some social project - they gave me a couple of small orders (for excuses), fumbled with a calculation in order to moderate the ardor, and skillfully left me to myself! This is about planning! Now, regarding the market: all the organizations served in the region have long been "bound by contracts" for a specific contractor. Well, the fact that he does not have time to serve everyone, and the quality of his services is not ice - not the point as it is important ... In short - busy !!! In rural areas, on private orders - you work for a week, look for orders for three weeks (for this reason, I moved to the city, although there are enough of my own "like me" here) ... As a result, the state is interested in me especially as a taxpayer! That is, that ram, which is supposed to be sheared, and where to graze for him - he can decide for himself! Well, we have democracy! And fat pastures are not provided for all the sheep, only for "thoroughbred" ... The market closed on itself in a planned manner, and who "did not fit in" is not to blame ... Such is the freedom of entrepreneurship and such support from the state! There are half-disassembled, dilapidated workshops, administrative buildings (and I have seen such), farms and many other things - and go borrow them for some kind of production workshop! Now, they will crush your rent (without any guarantees for the future), the sanitary inspection and technical supervision will be sent to get acquainted with the documents that meet the current requirements of all kinds of security (not immediately, of course, but after repair and restoration!), Which the owners of these premises do not have as unnecessary ... I know a lot of similar examples, but can you give an example of planned market management? ACTIVE !!!
    5. Portolan
      Portolan 15 May 2016 20: 06
      +14
      and what did Medvedev say? and he said - "... there will be no reduction in the key rate and there will be no financing of the economy, because the government is very afraid of inflation" that is the whole answer. All states lend to their industry, but Russia will not, so it is not worth waiting for some kind of industrialization and transitions to new orders with such a government.
      1. atalef
        atalef 15 May 2016 20: 20
        +2
        Quote: Portolan
        and what did Medvedev say? and he said - "... there will be no reduction in the key rate and there will be no financing of the economy, because the government is very afraid of inflation" that's the whole answer

        and he is right.
        Pump money with no return - inflation.
        Quote: Portolan
        All states lend to their industry, and Russia will not, so there is no need to wait for some kind of industrialization and transitions to new ways with such a government.

        Russia lends the same, just a priori rate cannot be lower than inflation.
        1. Portolan
          Portolan 15 May 2016 21: 09
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          and he is right.
          Pump money with no return - inflation.


          in all countries it turns out, in Russia, no? In general, control over the expenditure of money is needed, but Russia does not have it, steal as much as you want, you need to restore order, and these authorities are not able to do it.
          1. atalef
            atalef 15 May 2016 21: 19
            +6
            Quote: Portolan
            in all countries it turns out, in Russia, no?

            In other countries - while it is only America, it has pursued a policy of quantitative easing, now it is starting in Europe - but they have a lot to invest in. Without fear that the money will be cashed out right away, transferred to bucks and stole offshore.
            Quote: Portolan
            In general, control over the expenditure of money is needed, but Russia does not have it, steal as much as you want, you need to restore order, and these authorities are not able to do this

            It is useless to control money, if it is not profitable for a person to invest it in production, they will find 1000 ways to cash and steal.
            when it will be profitable to produce in Russia, then it will not be necessary to control. Man himself does not steal.
            1. 13 warrior
              13 warrior 15 May 2016 21: 59
              +4
              Man doesn’t steal from himself! But these citizens do not steal from themselves, but from the people and the state.
            2. bovig
              bovig 16 May 2016 12: 54
              0
              [quote = atalef] [quote = Portolan]
              It is useless to control money, if it is not profitable for a person to invest it in production, they will find 1000 ways to cash and steal.
              when it will be profitable to produce in Russia, then it will not be necessary to control. Man himself does not steal. [/ Quote]
              This is the point !!! Money is useless to control, it should only be taken into account and regulated in relation to the mass of goods and assets ...
        2. bovig
          bovig 16 May 2016 12: 34
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: Portolan
          and what did Medvedev say? and he said - "... there will be no reduction in the key rate and there will be no financing of the economy, because the government is very afraid of inflation" that's the whole answer

          and he is right.
          Pump money with no return - inflation.
          Quote: Portolan
          All states lend to their industry, and Russia will not, so there is no need to wait for some kind of industrialization and transitions to new ways with such a government.

          Russia lends the same, just a priori rate cannot be lower than inflation.

          You closed the circle so cool !!! I already admired!))))) The fact is that the current financiers, with their modern terminology, have veiled the causal relationship so that, I agree, it is sometimes difficult to discern the nature of things in essence ... Interest lending is the root cause of inflation !!! Imagine, initially, they issued an N-th amount of money (as the equivalent of a future commodity) and invested in the economy at interest, which is NOT A PRIORI! And the amount of N +% must be returned to the bank !!! Where to get these percentages ??? To cheat each other, OR ... Right! The bank will print again, and again will give at interest !!! And so on increasing! And at the moment, the entire world economy is reaching the point where it cannot continue this way - there are too many debts! This means that some kind of "debtors" should be merged and written off to them, paying off part of the debts of ALL at the expense of bankruptcy! It remains to choose a BANKROT! Someone to cut (like a ritual sacrifice on the altar), and someone further to cut according to the same program ...
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 16 May 2016 12: 46
            -1
            Ek, you wrapped ...

            Quote: bovig
            ... the amount N +% must be returned to the bank !!! Where to get these percentages ??? ...

            Yes, everything is simple ..

            You must receive the amount for the product (product) you manufactured and sold

            N + (%) + (your production costs) + (your profit)

            - N + (%) - give the bank to repay the loan
            - Costs are the cost of raw materials, salaries, taxes, depreciation, various, etc. You have already .. that .. spent
            - Profit is your happiness wink

            And what's wrong, in your opinion?
    6. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 15 May 2016 20: 27
      +4
      In Russia there is a layer of the population, or rather, a thin film that is not vitally interested in modernization is the oligarchic gas and oil lobby. Unfortunately, these few thousand people rule the country. And while they, and not the vast majority of the population, determine economic policy, nothing good is expected. .
    7. NordUral
      NordUral 15 May 2016 21: 34
      +2
      And some bastard at the top of this is waiting for the people to be late to decide.
    8. SSR
      SSR 15 May 2016 23: 10
      +2
      Quote: Koshak
      That's right, but time is running out! angry

      What is all right? Manturov Mr. last year promised protection ... ended with an agreement. Manturov is again a 3-star and meanwhile, from winter, the commonplace reinforcement from 24 rubles per ton rose to 45 rubles ... and where is the FAS? ))) I laid the construction site on lyam .. frame and now give out two .. and I print Cho? )))
    9. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 16 May 2016 00: 13
      +1
      What do YOU ​​think our supreme power in the person of the president, "rotten eggs" of the government in the person of the economic bloc, two pipettes from the Central Bank are interested in the development of industry, I think not, why it was not done before, why the experience of the Soviet Union, revised to the realities of our time, is not used , world experience. All this is being done at a snail's pace, it seems that the government is waiting for an increase in oil prices and the lifting of sanctions, which is unlikely. I must say frankly - there is a war going on against US - economic, ideological, propaganda, and all methods are good in war. I personally do not expect a BREAKTHROUGH, because the people who created the crisis in the country, and the authorities cannot take the country out of the crisis completely for the crisis, but there are no such facts in history - NO.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 16 May 2016 00: 17
        0
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        the blame lies entirely with the authorities for the crisis

        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        there is a war against US - economic, ...

        - You do not see contradictions between these two of your statements?
    10. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 16 May 2016 00: 16
      0
      It's just that Russia is dealing with an overly protracted NEP (a shaft of pre-sales by retailers (retail), realtors (housing) and other intermediaries) they have very little (or no place) in the producing economy. We need a return to the "Stalinist model".
    11. Revolver
      Revolver 16 May 2016 04: 31
      +2
      Quote: Koshak
      All right

      What is right? This?
      Using its financial and technological superiority, the United States seeks to create such a weapon that would eliminate Russian strategic nuclear forces, ensuring impunity.
      As a result, Russia will lose state sovereignty and its natural resources. They are valued at 130 trillion dollars, and the United States has long wanted to pocket them.
      And what, do not be America, and the industry does not need nafig? Well, let's say tomorrow America is self-isolated from the world, as it has already done several times in the past, since geography and economics allow. So, would you calmly pump oil and gas to Europe, buy consumer goods in China to the rescue, and enjoy life? I doubt something. Oil - it is finite. Or has the Russian people become so lazy and drunk that without the American scarecrow, the ass cannot be torn off the couch? I dare to assure you that America, or at least the overwhelming majority of Americans, does not care about Russia, the Liberals would have to figure out between Clintonsha and Bernie, conservatives in mourning that the Republicans did not nominate their man, but Trump, and sane people think how not to let them go to White House of the next liberalist. As you can see, no one on the list of priorities has the destruction of Russia. So the best way is to develop an economy without looking at America. And if you can’t do it without an American scarecrow, then rejoice that it exists, because the only sound idea in the article is that you cannot survive without the development of industry in Russia.
    12. zloybond
      zloybond 16 May 2016 04: 56
      0
      nothing is right. our stoneworks are able to build, and this .... a journalist tourist ... offers to send money for a cardon and buy an import .... one should raise his industry and not import. Demagogue, provocateur, sludge and saboteur.
  2. FenH
    FenH 15 May 2016 18: 11
    +12
    The problems are indicated all right, only no one has proposed solutions to these problems. We can grow grain all over the world, we will only do this grain if no one takes it. We can process oil and gas, but we cannot sell Recycled. In the West, they are strictly monitoring to limit Russia in all high-tech areas. And we have not yet invented a breakthrough
    1. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 15 May 2016 18: 23
      +5
      .And we have not yet invented a breakthrough
      And nothing breakthrough is needed. Instead of gas through the pipe-granular polymers, instead of oil-fuel, and weigh the recipe for an established economy. States, for example, import oil and extract it themselves, and export oil products. The problem is that those who become masters of the economy in Russia are well aware that this is temporary, and give up the stolen goods, fading to Geneva. Therefore, all money is taken out. And such impersonal goods like plastics and fuel will easily find buyers.
      1. FenH
        FenH 15 May 2016 18: 39
        0
        Quote: Anglorussian
        .And we have not yet invented a breakthrough
        And nothing breakthrough is needed. Instead of gas through the pipe-granular polymers, instead of oil-fuel, and weigh the recipe for an established economy. States, for example, import oil and extract it themselves, and export oil products. The problem is that those who become masters of the economy in Russia are well aware that this is temporary, and give up the stolen goods, fading to Geneva. Therefore, all money is taken out. And such impersonal goods like plastics and fuel will easily find buyers.


        Even for plastics and polymers we have nothing to offer so far, compare the plastic parts in our cars and in foreign cars.


        And they usually "fade" not to Geneva, but to you in Britain
        1. Anglorussian
          Anglorussian 15 May 2016 18: 56
          +4
          Compare the plastic parts in our machines
          Granular polymer is just the raw material for the finished product in the machine. And this product is much more expensive than the gas from which it is produced. And then the details can also be learned later. Additives, fillers, and it will be like the Japanese have. (Besides, on rolls of bags of packaging film and other jars, you can also make good money, because the surplus value grows with every step of processing. And you do not need to promote the brand - it is faceless products and sells well.
        2. Anglorussian
          Anglorussian 15 May 2016 19: 08
          +1
          Here are more political with big sips. And those with money, they prefer Switzerland, there taxes are lower and the quality of life is higher. But the most boisterous Swiss usually send-money love silence.
          And they usually "fade" not to Geneva, but to you in Britain
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 15 May 2016 18: 49
      +7
      Quote: FenH
      The problems are indicated all right, only no one has proposed solutions to these problems. We can grow grain all over the world, only what will we do with this grain if nobody takes it.We can process oil and gas, but cannot sell recycled.In the West, they are strictly monitoring to limit Russia in all high-tech areas. And we have not yet invented a breakthrough



      Hmm ... Everything seems to be true. You said ...

      However - why not start with the fact that YOURSELF YOURSELF provide you with everything you need ??? Start with one thing, further develop and develop ...

      And we still cannot have any special surpluses ... The country is huge, needs - wherever you look - everything is needed ...

      Well, about the breakthrough ... If all the "breakthroughs" and their financing remain in the red-haired NANO, then rest assured that there will be no breakthroughs ... It is high time for the NANOSkolkovo thieves' gangs to be audited and, based on its results, imprisoned for life, starting with the "unsinkable" and those guilty of embezzlement, and make normal, smart and enterprising men work, work and work ...
      If fundamental science works for the future, then applied science must work for the result ...
      1. FenH
        FenH 15 May 2016 19: 01
        +2
        Quote: weksha50
        Quote: FenH
        The problems are indicated all right, only no one has proposed solutions to these problems. We can grow grain all over the world, only what will we do with this grain if nobody takes it.We can process oil and gas, but cannot sell recycled.In the West, they are strictly monitoring to limit Russia in all high-tech areas. And we have not yet invented a breakthrough



        Hmm ... Everything seems to be true. You said ...

        However - why not start with the fact that YOURSELF YOURSELF provide you with everything you need ??? Start with one thing, further develop and develop ...


        Where to start? I would start with medicine, the health of the nation is a priority.

        Quote: weksha50
        And we still cannot have any special surpluses ... The country is huge, needs - wherever you look - everything is needed ...


        There were surpluses of potatoes last year, but this may not be enough. No planning

        Quote: weksha50
        Well, about the breakthrough ... If all the "breakthroughs" and their financing remain in the red-haired NANO, then rest assured that there will be no breakthroughs ... It is high time for the NANOSkolkovo thieves' gangs to be audited and, based on its results, imprisoned for life, starting with the "unsinkable" and those guilty of embezzlement, and make normal, smart and enterprising men work, work and work ...


        Not everyone is simple there, they seem to work in the environment, but they don’t touch the redhead.

        Quote: weksha50
        If fundamental science works for the future, then applied science must work for the result ...


        So far, neither a breakthrough has been identified, although information about a cure for cancer has flickered somewhere. God forbid
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 15 May 2016 20: 58
          +2
          Quote: FenH
          Where to start?


          You yourself here answered your own question ...

          The main thing is to start with at least one of the branches, START, and not tryn’t hang people and noodles on the ears ...
          1. FenH
            FenH 15 May 2016 21: 05
            +2
            Quote: weksha50
            Quote: FenH
            Where to start?


            You yourself here answered your own question ...

            The main thing is to start with at least one of the branches, START, and not tryn’t hang people and noodles on the ears ...


            So I answered for myself request Where would i start
      2. 97110
        97110 15 May 2016 23: 15
        +1
        Quote: weksha50
        it's time to audit

        Hire a PW? So that it was solid. Or tighten the Chechens? Do you know other auditors?
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 16 May 2016 11: 41
          0
          Quote: 97110
          Do you know other auditors?



          How many institutes-universities-academies with professional audit training ...

          What, among their own so not to find? If desired, of course ...
    3. PKK
      PKK 15 May 2016 19: 57
      +1
      There is a solution to the problem. Change of elite from majors, to educated and active, with responsibility. Since responsibility to the Country and the people, it is not reprimanded to get off.
      1. FenH
        FenH 15 May 2016 20: 01
        +3
        Quote: PKK
        There is a solution to the problem. Change of elite from majors, to educated and active, with responsibility. Since responsibility to the Country and the people, there is no reprimand for non-fulfillment.

        Surname do not list the new chosen ones and why are you sure that they will be better than the previous ones, where they have already shown themselves?
    4. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 15 May 2016 20: 34
      +2
      They don’t buy gasoline and diesel fuel in the west .. Sell it domestically at lower prices .. Nooo .. I don’t give it to others (even to my people) (cheaper) .. Also with grain and with everything else .. overwhelmed ..
      Quote: FenH
      The problems are indicated all right, only no one has proposed solutions to these problems. We can grow grain all over the world, we will only do this grain if no one takes it. We can process oil and gas, but we cannot sell Recycled. In the West, they are strictly monitoring to limit Russia in all high-tech areas. And we have not yet invented a breakthrough
      1. FenH
        FenH 15 May 2016 20: 39
        +1
        Quote: dmi.pris
        They don’t buy gasoline and diesel fuel in the west .. Sell it domestically at lower prices .. Nooo .. I don’t give it to others (even to my people) (cheaper) .. Also with grain and with everything else ..
        Quote: FenH
        The problems are indicated all right, only no one has proposed solutions to these problems. We can grow grain all over the world, we will only do this grain if no one takes it. We can process oil and gas, but we cannot sell Recycled. In the West, they are strictly monitoring to limit Russia in all high-tech areas. And we have not yet invented a breakthrough


        This is capitalism, why sell for cheap, if they charge for the price for which they set it. And now they are trying to bring prices to European hi
    5. 97110
      97110 15 May 2016 23: 10
      +1
      Quote: FenH
      We can process oil and gas, but we cannot sell refined.

      You (don't you take offense? You yourself wrote it "We") and don't try. Will the demand for high-quality gasoline and diesel fuel rise if the price for them falls? Why do you need it? You are already curly. The insolvent demand was cut off at the price, in figs to increase production, to attract money, to break your head. She and so after yesterday ... Why "sell" is a synonym for export? This is not the first time that the amount of NORMAL salary of 10 tons has been heard at VO. What demand does the recipient generate? On palm oil. Because sunflower is no longer attracted. And synthetic 0W - 50 is not interesting to him - it is inedible.
      1. FenH
        FenH 15 May 2016 23: 19
        0
        Quote: 97110
        Quote: FenH
        We can process oil and gas, but we cannot sell refined.

        You (don't you take offense? You yourself wrote it "We") and don't try. Will the demand for high-quality gasoline and diesel fuel rise if the price for them falls? Why do you need it? You are already curly. The insolvent demand was cut off at the price, in figs to increase production, to attract money, to break your head. She and so after yesterday ... Why "sell" is a synonym for export? This is not the first time that the amount of NORMAL salary of 10 tons has been heard at VO. What demand does the recipient generate? On palm oil. Because sunflower is no longer attracted. And synthetic 0W - 50 is not interesting to him - it is inedible.


        Your truth, only modernization is being done with export money. And so far we would have gone to 76 (diluted urine). Our development pundits cannot tell, we have to buy technology from the Germans yesterday for the currency of the technology (from which there was no oil) yes French. 10 million barrels per day, but at 100% processing, where do we distribute so much good in the domestic market?
  3. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 15 May 2016 18: 13
    +17
    The article leaves a double impression ... about everything and everything seems to be about nothing ... a statement of facts without proper analysis ... V structure or VI is, after all, as and most importantly WHO evaluates ... and it is very important who understands how and how. For example, disputes that there is an industry 4.0 not finished and a glossary of terms still not settled ...
    I agree with only one ... we need domestic-made machines from domestic components ... necessary and archival establish the production of means of production
    1. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 15 May 2016 18: 21
      +9
      I will tell you more, we need qualified highly paid and interested specialists who will work on these means of production. In the meantime, we have technical schools and other educational institutions designed to train workers, breathing in the wings.
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 15 May 2016 18: 42
        +8
        Quote: x.andvlad
        I will tell you more, we need qualified, highly paid and interested specialists.

        I will say more, even university graduates with a technical specialty cannot find a job. They work in car services, sales agents, etc. - and this is everywhere. Medium-sized enterprises hire ready-made professionals, one for all. And how to become a pro if there is no work for engineers without experience.
        1. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 15 May 2016 22: 00
          0
          even university graduates with a technical specialty cannot find work.

          I took it. After technical school. With technical specialty. With profile. I keep silence, no words, mats. What and how do they teach?
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 15 May 2016 18: 47
        +9
        Quote: x.andvlad
        designed to prepare workers, they’re breathing at last.

        in his wife’s technical school, they removed metalworking (turners and milling machines) (fucking machines), instead of them, hairdressers and makeup artists (fashionable, their mother) still had electricians and welders, but for how long? soon there will be a techie of florists, designers and sellers off the tray, let out. even the tractor drivers were removed, the drivers (most likely the drivers) were left, (cars) otherwise who will work in a taxi?
        1. x.andvlad
          x.andvlad 15 May 2016 18: 55
          +3
          I am sure that as a result of this, in both aircraft and shipbuilding we have production rates per teaspoon per year. The power of the economy lies in mass production. Soon we will hire qualified locksmiths, mechanics or welders from China or Vietnam.
        2. atalef
          atalef 15 May 2016 20: 07
          +3
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          even the tractor drivers were removed, the drivers (most likely the drivers) were left, (cars) otherwise who will work in a taxi?

          Hi Andrew !
          Is this taught in technical schools?
          driver technician, tractor technician?
          Something new.
          1. FenH
            FenH 15 May 2016 20: 09
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            even the tractor drivers were removed, the drivers (most likely the drivers) were left, (cars) otherwise who will work in a taxi?

            Hi Andrew !
            Is this taught in technical schools?
            driver technician, tractor technician?
            Something new.

            Like these specialists used to prepare in vocational schools request Not just TECHNICIANS, but just drivers and tractor drivers
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 15 May 2016 20: 19
              +3
              Sanya welcome. hi yes, no matter how embarrassing to say this ... THIS is taught in technical schools ... such is the harsh prose of today's life. request for "FenH"-information for thought: our Russian "Ministry of Education" did not come up with anything better than to combine vocational schools and technical schools into one whole! (a hedgehog and a piece of barbed wire) (hurray?) the result: we have what we have. (what I was talking about above). out of powerlessness and anger, dozens of old software masters have already quit (the intellectual level of applicants from vocational schools and technicians is incompatible, a technician is almost a university, a vocational school is almost a "gopota" hopeless). Now the question is: The guarantor is not aware of SUCH reforms?
              1. atalef
                atalef 15 May 2016 20: 24
                +5
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                THIS is taught in technical schools ... such is the harsh prose of today's life.

                Cut the dough and nothing more.
                These professions are not technically advanced.
                Courses and nothing more (in any case with us)
                Although of course, if you teach a tractor driver chemistry, biology and astronomy with political economy, then you can even reach the bachelor.
                Just why the heck?
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                how to combine vocational schools and technical schools in one whole

                Delirium
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                from powerlessness and anger, dozens of old software masters have already quit.

                absolutely logical result.
                1. Prometey
                  Prometey 15 May 2016 20: 42
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  Although of course, if you teach a tractor driver chemistry, biology and astronomy with political economy, then you can even reach the bachelor.

                  Do not confuse professional retraining courses, at which, for several months, they actually teach crane drivers, excavators and others to train and receive secondary vocational education. School students come to technical schools after 9th grade and, in addition to the profession, are obliged to master general education programs. Something like this.
                  1. Andrey Yuryevich
                    Andrey Yuryevich 15 May 2016 20: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: Prometey
                    School students come to technical schools after 9th grade and, in addition to the profession, are obliged to master general education programs. Something like this.

                    Yes, the general education program runs in parallel with prof.
                  2. atalef
                    atalef 15 May 2016 20: 53
                    +4
                    Quote: Prometey
                    Do not confuse professional retraining courses, at which, indeed, for several months they are trained as crane drivers, excavators and others and receive secondary vocational education.

                    here I have a question, and why the heck is a driver, tractor driver, crane operator to learn for years? Courses are quite enough.
                    Quote: Prometey
                    School students come to technical schools after 9th grade and, in addition to the profession, are obliged to master general education programs. Something like this.

                    I know, studied at a technical school.
                    Voros about drivers, tractor drivers. crane operators, some milkmaids, etc., etc.
                2. Andrey Yuryevich
                  Andrey Yuryevich 15 May 2016 20: 47
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  Cut the dough and nothing more.

                  otherwise ...!
                  Quote: atalef
                  Delirium

                  alas ... reality ...
                  Quote: atalef
                  absolutely logical result.

                  no comment ... wife tries not to leave (1.8g to retirement) cryingI don’t know if there is enough patience ...
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 15 May 2016 20: 54
                    +1
                    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                    no comment ... my wife tries not to leave (1.8g before retirement) I don’t know if there is enough patience ..

                    We must endure.
              2. FenH
                FenH 15 May 2016 20: 32
                -3
                Quote: Andrew Y.
                PTU-almost "gopota" hopeless)

                Considering that this "gopota" was the basis of any production, 70-80%, you dashingly recorded all of them in DLO, and now you groan that there are not enough "gopots", there is no one to work

                Quote: Andrew Y.
                Now the question is: the Guarantor is not aware of SUCH reforms?


                But to ask the Guarantor himself is not fate?
                1. Andrey Yuryevich
                  Andrey Yuryevich 15 May 2016 20: 56
                  +3
                  Quote: FenH
                  Taking into account that this "gopota" was the basis of any production, 70-80%, you dashingly recorded all of them in DLO

                  no need to compare generations! now there is a real used dlo, the generation of "Klinsky"! I solder my wife after a "working day" with "hearty" ones, so I don't fucking want to push my fantasies about "working youth" ...
                  Quote: FenH
                  But to ask the Guarantor himself is not fate?

                  Yes, as a case, it is not provided ... questions, the abyss ....
                  1. FenH
                    FenH 15 May 2016 21: 03
                    0
                    Quote: Andrew Y.

                    no need to compare generations! now there is a real used dlo, the generation of "Klinsky"! I solder my wife after a "working day" with "hearty", so don't fucking fancy my fantasies about "working youth"


                    And who brought up this generation and exchanged the Union for a "zhrachka"? It was not they who ruined the Union, not them to blame. I don’t know who is studying with your wife, but our college (the former trainer) both trained welders and prepares. Gazprom

                    Quote: Andrew Y.
                    Yes, as a case, it is not provided ... questions, the abyss ....


                    http://letters.kremlin.ru/

                    Dare
      3. atalef
        atalef 15 May 2016 20: 05
        +2
        Quote: x.andvlad
        I will tell you more, we need qualified highly paid and interested specialists who will work on these means of production

        Of course, only they do not arise from anywhere. This process is quite lengthy.
        1. FenH
          FenH 15 May 2016 20: 10
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: x.andvlad
          I will tell you more, we need qualified highly paid and interested specialists who will work on these means of production

          Of course, only they do not arise from anywhere. This process is quite lengthy.


          Or dear, if attracted by
          1. atalef
            atalef 15 May 2016 20: 16
            +2
            Quote: FenH
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: x.andvlad
            I will tell you more, we need qualified highly paid and interested specialists who will work on these means of production

            Of course, only they do not arise from anywhere. This process is quite lengthy.


            Or dear, if attracted by

            Of course, Peter invited the Germans and the Dutch. And nothing.
            A huge number of countries (including China) at first allowed to build factories with foreign personnel, moreover, they had full autonomy, then, based on their experience, they grew their own and it did not take much time.
            It is necessary to invite foreigners, and the entire line of employees, from ordinary highly skilled workers - and study, study, study.
            And you yourself, of course, you can do the same, but you won’t steal it.
            1. FenH
              FenH 15 May 2016 20: 19
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: FenH
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: x.andvlad
              I will tell you more, we need qualified highly paid and interested specialists who will work on these means of production

              Of course, only they do not arise from anywhere. This process is quite lengthy.


              Or dear, if attracted by

              Of course, Peter invited the Germans and the Dutch. And nothing.
              A huge number of countries (including China) at first allowed to build factories with foreign personnel, moreover, they had full autonomy, then, based on their experience, they grew their own and it did not take much time.
              It is necessary to invite foreigners, and the entire line of employees, from ordinary highly skilled workers - and study, study, study.
              And you yourself, of course, you can do the same, but you won’t steal it.


              Already invited, though only private companies so far. But you need to study and practice, including abroad. To understand why you need to do exactly as they require, and not as they used to
              1. atalef
                atalef 15 May 2016 20: 28
                +2
                Quote: FenH
                Already invited, though only private companies so far. But you need to study and practice, including abroad. To understand why you need to do exactly as they require, and not as they used to

                You can’t take everyone abroad, you need to invite specialists to your place.
                There is nothing to be ashamed of.
                I’m talking about energy with which, in general, it’s not a bad knowledge, so being in St. Petersburg 3 weeks ago and meeting with my friends mostly power engineers or chief engineers, I understood one thing. In terms of technology. control and equipment - 20-25 years behind and this is at best.
                The qualifications and organization of the production process are especially behind.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 15 May 2016 22: 47
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  I’m talking about energy with which, in general, it’s not a bad knowledge, so being in St. Petersburg 3 weeks ago and meeting with my friends mostly power engineers or chief engineers, I understood one thing. In terms of technology. control and equipment - 20-25 years behind and this is at best.
                  The qualifications and organization of the production process are especially behind.

                  from this place in more detail
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 16 May 2016 07: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: poquello
                    Quote: atalef
                    I’m talking about energy with which, in general, it’s not a bad knowledge, so being in St. Petersburg 3 weeks ago and meeting with my friends mostly power engineers or chief engineers, I understood one thing. In terms of technology. control and equipment - 20-25 years behind and this is at best.
                    The qualifications and organization of the production process are especially behind.

                    from this place in more detail

                    Hey .
                    Let's start with diagnosing the condition of vehicles and equipment and reducing PPR to 10-15% of the total volume of serviced equipment.
                    the same number of staff and the amount of work.
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 16 May 2016 13: 58
                      0
                      Quote: atalef
                      Quote: poquello
                      Quote: atalef
                      I'm talking about energy with which, in general, not a bad knowledgeer ... ... From the point of view of technology. control and equipment - 20-25 years behind and this is at best.
                      The qualifications and organization of the production process are especially behind.

                      from this place in more detail

                      Hey .
                      Let's start with diagnosing the condition of vehicles and equipment and reducing PPR to 10-15% of the total volume of serviced equipment.
                      the same number of staff and the amount of work.

                      and what's new? the quality of the oil is a laboratory, contact heating is a thermal imager, well, whoever has no pyrometer, the A / P ratio for metering devices, the main PPRs really come down to removing dirt and dust - it depends on the microclimate. Saving PPR is a delicate topic, where it is necessary to specifically consider the proposal, because the shortage of human hours will not immediately come out, and then it will come back to haunt.
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                2. Alibekulu
                  Alibekulu 16 May 2016 16: 49
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  From the point of view of technology, management and equipment-the lag years at 20-25 and this is at best.
                  By the way atalef, here your muddy, how do you think this is serious or the next cut and divorce of the Papuansrequest?!
                  The largest Kazakh-Israeli investment project will be launched next year. About this in an interview with the TV channel «24 KZ» told the developers. Investors are planning to invest 10 billions of dollars in the Kazakhstani economy. Investment project implemented by the company All Energy Holding, - one of the largest in the history of bilateral relations between Israel and Kazakhstan. This was possible thanks to the creation of the financial center "Astana". On its platform, an Israeli company plans to create an investment fund and invest in the economy of Kazakhstan about 10 billion dollars. Vladimir Polevoy, President of All Energy Holding: - This is a pure investment project. We were inspired by the idea of ​​creating a financial center "Astana", that this project is regional. Our group represents the interests of the largest financial circles of Israel and the United States. We took the first line of energy and now we start, design and work out financial schemes for solar power plants. The second line for stationary standard power plants. The first thing that we are now completing in Kokchetav is the construction of a power plant with a capacity of 180 MW of coal. And although coal-fired power plants are not popular in the world now, this is a goldmine for Kazakhstan, investors say. Having huge reserves of first-class raw materials from which it is possible not only to get electricity, but also a huge list of chemical products, the country can become the largest player in the market. To this end, it is planned to create a coal-chemical cluster in the Akmola region, which will include several plants for the production of methanol, gasoline, diesel fuel, urea and polyethylene, as well as a power station. About 3,5 thousands of jobs will be created, and the state's income from the project will be about a billion dollars a year. Igor Gelfer, Chief Engineer, All Energy Holding: - I think it will give a huge boost. Kazakhstan has one of the largest coal deposits in the world. Today, coal is sold cheaply. But coal is gold. Everything can be done from coal: chemistry, polymers, pharmaceuticals, nano-technology. We want to develop this industry in Kazakhstan. In addition to the coal chemical cluster, in the development is the construction of solar power plants with capacities from 200 to 400 MW. The launch of the projects will make Kazakhstan energy independent, say the developers. Vladimir Polevoy, President of All Energy Holding: - We proposed such a kind of plan - to make Kazakhstan energy independent from anyone. Provide full amount of electricity. To this end, we are planning to build solar power plants in the south and east, and parallel hybrid options, because suddenly there is no sun, some other problems, and we also plan gas turbines. This will require really huge funds - tens of billions of dollars. But from our investment partners, we received such guarantees. Investors are planning to present projects in Astana this summer. They say the risks are minimal, since Kazakhstan, despite the global financial crisis, is developing steadily, and the creation of the regional financial center Astana will allow the country to enter a new, higher level.
                  Source: http://xnumx.kz/ru/news/economyc/item/24-prk
                  1. Alibekulu
                    Alibekulu 16 May 2016 17: 06
                    0
                    Quote: atalef
                    Here's another video ..
            2. asiat_61
              asiat_61 16 May 2016 05: 22
              0
              If I understand correctly, then an electrician from Germany or Israel can teach me something? Well, I doubt it very much. About the fact that we do not know how to work is an old fairy tale.
              1. poquello
                poquello 16 May 2016 14: 08
                0
                Quote: asiat_61
                If I understand correctly, then an electrician from Germany or Israel can teach me something? Well, I doubt it very much. About the fact that we do not know how to work is an old fairy tale.

                work in their way, there are no advantages, but the features of installation and operation do not fit into the Russian mentality, bourgeois equipment is sharpened by the use of dynamometric mounting tools, other stray devices and strict adherence to documentation
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 15 May 2016 19: 04
      +9
      You are right, the author is a superficial talker. What is only the passage about deep processing - with an increase in income tenfold. There is no market in the world for such a quantity of processed product! Accountant. The planned economy is understandable, the planned market economy is what? This will automatically lead to the degeneration of the word "market" - after all, there will be something to "buy" all the planners on the vine ... Estimates of corruption are something enchanting. With such a volume of "shadow" funds, they cannot but seize political power. These are inconceivable cash flows that cannot be hidden in any way. Therefore, the author - a minus, the article - either "Yablochnik", or even a liberalist.
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 15 May 2016 19: 53
        +4
        The meaning of the article - It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick. Processing raw materials is better than not processing. Figures taken from unknown ceiling. There are some stupid arrangements. I join Strelok - utter trepach
  4. msm
    msm 15 May 2016 18: 15
    +8
    The National Guard is a guarantee of the stability of the current state of affairs. Try to pickn up.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 15 May 2016 20: 00
      0
      Quote: msm
      The National Guard is a guarantee of the stability of the current state of affairs. Try to pickn up.

      - have you already tried the "peck"? wink
      - nope, you could not "try" yet, the National Guard has not been formed yet
      - did the names come true? An alarmist, however ..

      Sorry for you .. laughing
  5. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 15 May 2016 18: 16
    +10
    Glory to the heirs of Gaidar reforms!
    Why produce when everything can be bought abroad and trade, trade, trade!
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 15 May 2016 18: 42
      +7
      Quote: x.andvlad
      Why produce when everything can be bought abroad and trade, trade, trade!


      Duc ... of what is needed - do not sell ...
      Bananas, peppers, bending nails - always rejoiced ..

      PS As for the photo of Gaidar ... They say: About the dead or speak good, or be silent ...
      Well, I can’t be silent when I see this face !!! Ugh!
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 15 May 2016 19: 08
        +7
        Quote: weksha50
        bending nails

        Well bending nails have always been, but bending drills on concrete ... :-)
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 15 May 2016 21: 00
          +2
          Quote: sa-ag
          Well bending nails have always been, but bending drills on concrete ... :-)



          And this already applies to the levels of development of the economy and industry in China praised by the author of the article ...

          PS Although we are lower than the level, our drills did not bend at one time ...
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 15 May 2016 21: 04
            +4
            Quote: weksha50
            Although we are lower than the level, our drills did not bend at one time ...

            This is in due time, and now our tool is no longer there, and many of the technology for cooking tool steels has been lost.
          2. poquello
            poquello 15 May 2016 22: 58
            +1
            Quote: weksha50
            our drills did not bend at one time ...

            it’s we who are returning to the conversation about sausage, there are a lot of it now, and the bad one is even bigger. Do not buy bad drills, ours are quite normal for me, but I needed a rigid matrix, so I ordered it at the factory
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            , And now our tool is no longer

            which one?
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 16 May 2016 00: 45
              +4
              Quote: poquello
              which one?

              No domestic !!! Everything is made up tea, variations are possible under the Russian marking.
              He hammered a hundred-hammer nail and burst across, the photo is there, look for laziness, we can lay it out tomorrow.

              Threat. I buy the entire instrument exclusively at the flea market from my grandfathers, our native Soviet!
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 16 May 2016 00: 51
                +3
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                our native soviet!

                EE bro, yes you are Russian-Soviet, go to the screwdriver, go keep up with the times)))
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 16 May 2016 01: 04
                  +3
                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  EE bro, yes you are Russian-Soviet, go to the screwdriver, go keep up with the times)))

                  Heh, I have "makits", but not all work with a screwdriver can be performed yes
                  1. afdjhbn67
                    afdjhbn67 16 May 2016 01: 16
                    +4
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    I have "makits"

                    Not sovetski this bison nada or interskol))
                    1. PHANTOM-AS
                      PHANTOM-AS 16 May 2016 01: 20
                      +3
                      Quote: afdjhbn67
                      bison nada or interskol))

                      they are also chaynovskie yes , assembled only here, customs sets are cheaper.
                      1. afdjhbn67
                        afdjhbn67 16 May 2016 01: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        they are also chaynovskie

                        import substitution by discharge iota background? Which stalled by the way, safely)))
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 16 May 2016 01: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: afdjhbn67
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        they are also chaynovskie

                        import substitution by discharge iota background? Which stalled by the way, safely)))

                        yotafon not stalled, it was sold to the Chinese
                      3. afdjhbn67
                        afdjhbn67 16 May 2016 02: 22
                        +3
                        Quote: poquello
                        yotafon not stalled, it was sold to the Chinese

                        What actually equals-stalled as a Russian project, right?
                      4. poquello
                        poquello 16 May 2016 02: 29
                        0
                        Quote: afdjhbn67
                        Quote: poquello
                        yotafon not stalled, it was sold to the Chinese

                        What actually equals-stalled as a Russian project, right?

                        like the american hammer in general
                2. poquello
                  poquello 16 May 2016 01: 57
                  0
                  Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  bison nada or interskol))

                  they are also chaynovskie yes , assembled only here, customs sets are cheaper.

                  45 tool factories, and all customs?
                  In the USSR, many factories produced power tools, you want to say everyone was killed ?, nonsense, I won’t believe
        2. poquello
          poquello 16 May 2016 02: 19
          0
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          Quote: poquello
          which one?

          No domestic !!! Everything is made up tea, variations are possible under the Russian marking.
          He hammered a hundred-hammer nail and burst across, the photo is there, look for laziness, we can lay it out tomorrow.

          Threat. I buy the entire instrument exclusively at the flea market from my grandfathers, our native Soviet!

          we smoke and we don’t
          http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/12720
          and we did hammers on the labors at school, nefig overdone to buy
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 16 May 2016 10: 06
            +2
            Quote: poquello
            we smoke and we don’t
            http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/12720

            Have you read this link?
            There, black and white are made from imported components, or on imported equipment!
            Quote: poquello
            and we did hammers on the labors at school, nefig overdone to buy

            can mallets? laughing
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 16 May 2016 00: 55
      +3
      Quote: weksha50
      PS Although we are lower than the level, our drills did not bend at one time ...

      George, I just bought Chaynovsky drills in a blister, well, I thought it’s enough for a while - they turned out to be copper-plated with nickel, so I neighing .. (laughter through tears)
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 16 May 2016 05: 49
        0
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        turned out to be copper plated with nickel

        I do not believe. Copper, and even nickel plated, is more expensive than very alloy steel.
  • ICT
    ICT 15 May 2016 22: 21
    +1
    Quote: weksha50
    Spoken: About the dead



    De mortuis - veritas
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 15 May 2016 19: 02
    +3
    Quote: x.andvlad
    Why produce when everything can be bought abroad and trade, trade, trade!

    Your recommendation in Russia is invalid. We have a more acceptable position of Uncle Fedor, which is expressed in the words: "To sell something unnecessary, you must first buy something unnecessary. But we have no money."
    We do not have normal money, which are included in the list of reserve currencies. We have rubles. We do not dispose of other money for which they buy abroad ... request
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 15 May 2016 20: 18
    +1
    Dead and there is nothing to remember about him and his associates! Collect all these pseudo-reformers ("shift workers", "effective managers" + to them 70 percent of the government and the State Duma) and ........ Perhaps after that, the rest would think about the fact that it is impossible to steal from the state. I think the special services have enough information on the current "elite" and if these parasites are not dealt with now, then later, in the real foreseeable future, it may be too late.
  • tafalar
    tafalar 15 May 2016 18: 17
    +5
    the point is to give the order for the small so that there is no corruption, just spit. {joke}
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 May 2016 18: 48
      +5
      Quote: tafalar
      the point is to give the order for the small so that there is no corruption, just spit. {joke}

      In every joke there is a fraction of a joke ...
  • Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 15 May 2016 18: 23
    +6
    And you do not need to vote for edrosov..raz they refuse to pass some useful laws.
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 15 May 2016 18: 25
    +10
    The article is extremely superficial, and the topic is extremely serious. It is here, and not in the number of tanks and missiles, that the country's true defense capability is concluded. And the source of everything is in science and the education system. How much the current government is aware of this can be understood by looking at the funding figures for these budget items, which are currently approaching zero
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 15 May 2016 19: 12
      +3
      Quote: syndicalist
      The article is extremely superficial, and the topic is extremely serious.


      M.E. Saltykov-Shchedrin (ascribed to him) described all the affairs taking place in Russia in two words:
      "If I fall asleep and wake up in a hundred years and they ask me what is happening in Russia now, I will answer: drink and steal". laughing
  • fa2998
    fa2998 15 May 2016 18: 31
    +3
    What revolutionary plans! All in vain - how many will not allocate for the "new economy, modernization" - EVERYBODY SHOOT, DESTROY! Before thinking about modernization, you need to defeat CORRUPTION. As Prof. Preobrazhensky said, "Down with the devastation, they must beat themselves on the head "This is how the current government says, down with corruption! laughing fool hi
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier 15 May 2016 18: 31
    +2
    As you can imagine, how many "masters" paid by the West are sitting in our power, it immediately becomes uncomfortable! After all, they are the ones who slow down everything, torpedoing the changes Russia needs under any pretext! One thing I cannot understand - does the President really not see this? After all, how many laws necessary for the development of Russia have been ruined, bastards, working off the received loot ... I propose in addition to the nat. guards to restore the NKVD! The fifth column in Russia will immediately decrease sharply. The people will approve!
  • MiRvSeMvDoM
    MiRvSeMvDoM 15 May 2016 18: 32
    +8
    The fish rots from the head ... In the government, it is necessary to restore order first of all, because they do not produce anything, they only resell it. But how to do this is another question. Local Tsars do not want to work, they sit behind seven doors with seven locks, get the hell out of them, and if you reach out, it’s also likely to get fofans from them. It feels like our government is the bombers of the 90s. Ehhh .., Comrade Stalin is not enough ...
    1. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 15 May 2016 18: 38
      +2
      They are the most. Costumes are a bit different though.
      government is 90s bombers
  • Million
    Million 15 May 2016 18: 33
    +7
    At present, the raw materials industries of Russia are almost half owned by foreigners, and retail chains are 90 percent owned. Domestic financial exchanges are 70 percent controlled from abroad. The domestic money market is regulated by foreigners in their own interests (for more details - “The ruble is the head of everything”). Thus, a significant part of the country's economy is already controlled by our geopolitical opponents who are not interested in modernizing the Russian economy

    If so, then questions arise to the guarantor of the Constitution: on whose side is he?
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 15 May 2016 19: 11
      +6
      Quote: Million
      If so, then questions arise to the guarantor of the Constitution: on whose side is he?

      Obviously not on the side of the people.
  • Igor39
    Igor39 15 May 2016 18: 35
    +1
    The Russian comprador bourgeoisie who then will put to the machines? Natives of Central Asia or the Caucasus?
  • Monos
    Monos 15 May 2016 18: 36
    +7
    Friends! I remind you that on May 25 a meeting of the Presidium of the Economic Council under the President will be held.
    At this meeting, the fundamental question will be decided - how to achieve the average annual growth rate of our economy at the level of 4% of GDP. Those. the question is about the development strategy for the next 5-10 years!

    Different groups will fight: liberals (Ulyukaev-Kudrin), and neoconservatives (Glazyev and comrades), and others smaller. The stakes are high. Therefore, in the near future there will be a lot of stuffing on this topic in order to monitor opinions and create a social platform to justify their position.
    Do not rush to conclusions! Let's wait for the official decisions. Surely they will be balanced and integral. hi
    1. atalef
      atalef 15 May 2016 20: 09
      +2
      Quote: Monos
      Friends! I remind you that on May 25 a meeting of the Presidium of the Economic Council under the President will be held.
      At this meeting, the fundamental question will be decided - how to achieve the average annual growth rate of our economy at the level of 4% of GDP. Those. the question is about the development strategy for the next 5-10 years!

      What for ? How much has already been taken in total - such as doubling GDP by 2020. Maybe you should start to do what you have already decided?
      Quote: Monos
      Surely they will be balanced and integral.

      You are not the author of the article? wink
      1. Monos
        Monos 15 May 2016 21: 31
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        You are not the author of the article?


        bully Nah ... The article is an empty jingle. I'm not capable of that.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 May 2016 20: 42
      +2
      Since there is nothing to be done so that the rate of economic growth goes up, it is necessary that the world economy begins to grow - there is a market, demand - there will be supply.
      1. poquello
        poquello 15 May 2016 23: 18
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        Since there is nothing to be done so that the rate of economic growth goes up, it is necessary that the world economy begins to grow - there is a market, demand - there will be supply.

        So, the process of transition to a new situation has not been completed yet; they are already starting to release their power electronics blocks, computers, etc., where the reason has appeared
  • Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 15 May 2016 18: 37
    +5
    We will pave the way to HELL with good wishes! the author reprinted the programmatic speech of Comrade Zyuganov at the Congress of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation! "Nice, very nice, modern!" - so it seems Georgy Vitsin, Ph.D. "Can not be". Exactly - these good undertakings simply by definition, because of their worthlessness and emptiness, simply CANNOT BE !!! Silly article from the newspaper "Tomorrow"?
  • weksha50
    weksha50 15 May 2016 18: 39
    +8
    “The size of business corruption in Russia is about nine trillion rubles, which is comparable to the size of the state budget ... the volume of the shadow economy, according to various estimates, ranges from 16 to 40 percent of GDP.
    Currently, the raw materials industries in Russia are owned by foreigners by 50%, retail chains - by 90%. Domestic financial exchanges are 70 percent controlled from abroad. The domestic money market is regulated by foreigners in their interests "
    ...

    Actually, a normal article, however, did not open anything new ... in the presence of the Internet, these data and these thoughts have long been sitting in the heads of even us, couch "generals-marshals" ...

    A good idea is about self-governing people's enterprises (SOR), the adoption of a law on which has been holding back the Duma for more than a year. The draft law can be found on the Internet.
    I somehow became interested in this matter ... It turns out that in Russia there are already 3 or 4 SPS enterprises (I don’t remember where and which ones, I remember that one is in Ulyanovsk) ... And despite the obstacles of officials and the law still not adopted they function quite successfully about SORT ...
    The most terrible enemies in our country are officials who are absolutely not interested in the development of the state, country ...
    In practice, I have long had the idea of ​​open sabotage of everything that can only benefit the country, the people ...
    And here you will not get off with one chatter ...
    I am categorically against any revolutions, and even more so - civil war, BUT (!!!) I absolutely do not see ways to put together a normal, patriotic, caring for the country backbone in the country's leadership ... I absolutely do not see a mechanism for painless but strict control of "specific princelings "in the field ...

    Truly - a problem that requires an urgent, tough and radical solution, until we are devoured by foreign "partners" ...

    And again the eternal Russian question: "What to do?"

    PS I always said that you can always find money for the right thing ... And my opinion, formed a long time ago, is that not one state budget is spinning in the shadow turnover, but much more ...
    And there is also supposedly not a shadow one, grabbed for a penny during the "privatization" ...

    The seeker - yes he will find ... that is - he will find ...
    1. Kudrevkn
      Kudrevkn 15 May 2016 19: 11
      +3
      What to do? How to go and find? A very simple answer - read carefully the Constitution of the Russian Federation in 1994 and the Constitution of the USSR in 1977! Analyze and compare the main provisions, feel the difference in approaches to solving socio - economic problems (tasks) and see the "light at the end of the tunnel"! And you will also see that our Power (all branches) and deputies - officials absolutely do not know, and therefore violate the basic provisions of the Basic Law of the country - so they are criminals (including the Guarantor)? therefore, this Power can be removed (as in Brazil) quite "softly" by the Constitutional Court ?! But I would like to see this daredevil "Giordano Bruno" who will file this lawsuit? Well, not Navalny?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 May 2016 20: 46
      +1
      Currently, Russian raw materials industries are 50% owned by foreigners, and retail chains - 90%. Domestic financial exchanges are 70 percent controlled from abroad. - But this is a lie - a maximum of 30 percent.
      1. poquello
        poquello 15 May 2016 23: 22
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        Currently, Russian raw materials industries are 50% owned by foreigners, and retail chains - 90%. Domestic financial exchanges are 70 percent controlled from abroad. - But this is a lie - a maximum of 30 percent.

        and whether this is an argument, the state always has the last word "nationalization" - a process of mutual interests.
  • Lus
    Lus 15 May 2016 18: 39
    +3
    There was already a proposal to increase the country's budget and, as a result, to improve the welfare of the population. At the initial stage (for the further development of the economy), sources of replenishment should be legal entities and individuals - owners of enterprises for the extraction and export of resources. And not the taxation of industrial enterprises, wage funds and incomes of citizens. The public wealth - resources - is owned by the miners almost for free, the profits from exports are huge. A minimum is invested in modernization. Basically, everything is affordable and abroad. A bill to change the taxation system of such enterprises was submitted to the Duma back in 2002. Woz and now there ...
  • pint45
    pint45 15 May 2016 18: 42
    0
    The entire economy of Russia has risen from the creation of means of production, for 20 years there have been old machines from the time of reparation, turners, no milling machines; not to mention casters, etc. Our government doesn’t do that; iPhones and other nonsense, a file for each deputy and to the vise let the pens be mazed; IMHO.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 May 2016 20: 49
      +1
      I work in 57 machine-tool factories in Russia, they produce machine tools - but not all plants buy modern machine tools - it depends on the owners.
      1. Makk
        Makk 15 May 2016 22: 23
        +2
        In Russia I work 57 machine-tool factories,

        Can you link?
  • Leonid
    Leonid 15 May 2016 18: 43
    +3
    I remember earlier on this resource I read a series of articles on the Iran-Iraq war. In my opinion the best materials about the war. It was a long time ago. Today I went to a resource - a set of letters, frank nationalism and chauvinism, respectively, the lowest level of materials, but in fact a set of letters. This article is a prime example. In addition to how I looked, the contingent of users has changed significantly, there is one being trying to prove to me that the state budget institution is not state, since it is a budget and there are a huge number of such regulars.
    Read shameful and disgusting! Change content, change policy.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 15 May 2016 18: 51
      +1
      Here the opinion is different from the opinion of the patriots and does not coincide with the view of the main contingent immediately in black and then in the ban.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 15 May 2016 18: 43
    +3
    The "resource-based Russian elite" and the feudal ladder of officials are unlikely to be delighted with Comrade Orlenko's plans.
    Let the connoisseurs of "patriotic towers" tell me: who is ready to take on the burden of reforms?

    Patriotism and the thirst for reforms of the Government is something of a political fantasy ... It remains to dream up together with the author of the article about the "labor collectives" who took control of the enterprise, .... and bridges. and banks, and the telegraph, and ... wink
  • atamankko
    atamankko 15 May 2016 18: 50
    +3
    Until there are real laws that fight corruption,
    bribery and use of official position in personal
    interests - it’s all a talking room that the government does not know the situation in the country,
    if you don’t know, you have to punish him.
  • erased
    erased 15 May 2016 18: 51
    +4
    Good words and true ideas. But implementation is not possible. Just because of those who are at the feeder and whom the world cannot drag out from there. Conclusion? One. But bad ...
  • an-sar
    an-sar 15 May 2016 18: 58
    +6
    Perhaps dreams will come true!
  • t118an
    t118an 15 May 2016 19: 01
    +2
    More precisely ... Government .. against the walls ..... oh machine
  • guzik007
    guzik007 15 May 2016 19: 05
    +2
    Another author discovered America, or the voice of one crying in the desert. And better, mark the beads in front of the pigs and let them curse
    Another romance on the topic-How good, how fresh the roses were.
  • Damask
    Damask 15 May 2016 19: 15
    +4
    About ten years ago, here the truth is constantly banned, now it's a different nickname, I wrote that the state should forcibly put new machines in the vocational schools that have now been liquidated everywhere, and enterprises, for free, still have forgiven the debts for banana and other countries, even for the same 3 billion dollars for Ukraine how much it was possible to buy a CNC machine tool, while economists and thieves rule the country
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 15 May 2016 19: 16
    +1
    Not only machines are needed, but those who will work for them. For example, the Kalashnikov Concern is required (from the website) -

    CNC installer
    Plastic Caster
    Electrician
    Planer
    Sharpener
    Dispatcher
    Adjuster of machine tools and manipulators with PU
    Electronic Engineer / Programmer
    Mechatronic engineer
    Shift Supervisor
    Machine operator
    Miller
    Centerless grinding machine operator
    PU machine operator
    Production System Development Project Manager
    Design Engineer
    Labor protection engineer
    1. wanderer
      wanderer 15 May 2016 19: 57
      0
      Is there really such a sharpening specialty? How can I sharpen a tool while working on CNC? Do you have to make a new set every time - then what is the point in CNC? Time is money!!
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 15 May 2016 22: 13
        +2
        Quote: wanderer
        Is there really such a sharpening specialty? How can I sharpen a tool while working on CNC? Do you have to make a new set every time - then what is the point in CNC? Time is money!!

        On a normal CNC machine, the part is not made in one pass with one tool. The tool "magazine" contains, for example, drills and milling cutters of various precision, for various operations - for roughing and finishing. If you need to select a large volume of metal from a workpiece, then there is no need to use cutters and drills with very precise diameter. But during finishing, the program will select a tool of increased accuracy, but the machine operator must take care of this himself, in which cell to install an accurate and not very accurate tool. In addition, roughing can be carried out at high speeds, which does not allow very precise operations and therefore the tool may have a rough machining surface. surface finish is not yet required.
        Conclusion: for rough processing, you can use the tool repeatedly with multiple sharpening. Finishing is performed with a precision tool and if its dimensions allow sharpening within the tolerance of the part, then sharpening is also performed, as soon as the tool tolerances are violated, it is either written off or delivered to the roughing tool.
      2. poquello
        poquello 16 May 2016 00: 05
        0
        Quote: wanderer
        Is there really such a sharpening specialty? How can I sharpen a tool while working on CNC? Do you have to make a new set every time - then what is the point in CNC? Time is money!!

        and what bothers you? there are a lot of machines - one sharpener, sharpen it as it wears, the tool in the machine is not a garden shovel
    2. ICT
      ICT 15 May 2016 20: 21
      +1
      Quote: Barracuda
      Design Engineer

      Quote: Barracuda
      Mechatronic engineer
      (for the sake of curiosity who it is)

      Quote: Barracuda
      CNC installer

      salaries just voice if not scrap
      1. ICT
        ICT 15 May 2016 20: 28
        +1
        Quote: Barracuda
        Mechatronic engineer

        there in r neuropp sad
      2. Sukharev
        Sukharev 15 May 2016 21: 11
        +1
        Mechatronics is a symbiosis of precision mechanics and electronics, including software. Specialists are very necessary. Process automation is developing rapidly. The number of requests we have for the selection or design of automation systems in 5 years has grown 10 times. Specialists are sorely lacking.
    3. polkovnik manuch
      polkovnik manuch 15 May 2016 20: 25
      0
      And where can I get them if everywhere in large enterprises they are destroyed, and purposefully specialized vocational schools, technical schools, technical colleges.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 May 2016 20: 52
        0
        The enterprises themselves already train - on their own equipment.
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 15 May 2016 22: 30
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          The enterprises themselves already train - on their own equipment.

          If we are talking about mechatronics (in the USSR this specialty was called "CNC machine tool adjuster"), then it will not work to teach this in the workshop. This specialist must know all modern microelectronics, mechanics, he must be an electrician and also a system programmer. the machines contain control computers. Who is it in the shop of an ordinary worker who will teach all this? It is necessary to learn this all day long in special. educational institutions for several years, and then gain production experience.
  • tor978
    tor978 15 May 2016 19: 21
    +1
    "In order for them to actively participate in modernization, it is necessary to adopt the draft laws" On labor collectives "(passed the first reading) and" On self-governing people's enterprises "prepared in the State Duma. The purpose of legal innovations is to establish control over the heads of enterprises (through an elected Council of the labor collective) This will immediately stop the flow of bribes from "effective managers" to officials, the transfer of Russian capital abroad and other frauds. The State Duma has also prepared a draft law "On parliamentary control", which will ensure transparency in the use of the state budget by the executive branch, which will become a serious obstacle for embezzlers. deputies to adopt this package of laws can only the president. "
    And no one will accept these "sabotage" laws for oligarchfrens and officials. Then kickbacks and bribes will disappear (not entirely of course, but still), how will the deputies live?
  • then
    then 15 May 2016 19: 26
    +4
    Unfortunately, modern economic theory has turned into pseudoscience because it has long ceased to reflect objective reality. Irrefutable evidence of this is the state of the global economy and no improvement is expected. Economists attribute this to the intervention of politics in the economy. Now, if politics would not intervene in the economy, then ... All these arguments from the evil one. Politics and economics are two sides of the same coin. And modern economic theories are aimed only at diverting attention from politics. Yes, talking about the theory of surplus value is now not camilpho, but about technological ways of camilpho. But what about the only person who is the source of surplus value, both the producer and consumer of marketable products? Whereas each next level of technological structure is aimed at eliminating this source from the production process. Who then will consume these material values? It turns out that at the VII level of technological structure, wages must be brought to a person at home, in bed, so that, God forbid, he would move his little finger!
  • ICT
    ICT 15 May 2016 19: 28
    +2
    Quote: an-sar
    Perhaps dreams will come true!


    I can somehow capture how I mow corn for silage at the end of November,
    and so here’s a little bit about you (auto moderator is just a word fool) wink
    the same g-6 level


    foam rubber is poured in Vladimir, and an Italian machine cuts it,
    simple to disgrace, but you immediately see the technology
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 15 May 2016 19: 29
    +5
    The most interesting experience for more than 40 years has been gained in Yugoslavia. There all enterprises were self-managed and worked on a commercial basis. But the land, factories, mines, etc., remained public (state) property and were only transferred to labor collectives for use. Such a system of management represented a higher stage of socialism in comparison with the Soviet one, where the market and the self-government of labor collectives were absent and administrative regulation prevailed.
    The USSR would have come to the same type of government if it had not been for the desire of the top of the CPSU (after the death of JV Stalin) to continue to "rule everything" without having competence on many issues. As a result, a decision was made that led to our cardinal lag in microelectronic technologies. In agriculture, Khrushch's numerous transformations led to its almost collapse, they decided to plug the hole into virgin lands, into which a lot of money was thrown with a low yield of virgin lands. Although it would be more effective to invest in the development of black earth regions. Eh, it’s a pity J.V. Stalin didn’t have time to excommunicate the CPSU from taxiing after the war with everyone and everyone for which he paid. hi
  • midshipman
    midshipman 15 May 2016 19: 29
    +13
    The article raises questions about the directions of production development. In the 80s, not only GAP (flexible automated production) were created in the defense industries, but not lines, as the author writes. Automated workshops were also created. The Kazan plant was in my subordination (director YF Emaletdinov). At this plant, an automated galvanizing workshop was created using only domestic equipment. We then did not know the problems with the coatings. The Chelyabinsk PO Polet had a fully automated workshop for the production of electrophones. The microphone left the assembly line in 40 seconds. The warehouse was fully automated. I allowed to purchase machining centers only in Ivanovo. Multi-spindle machines for drilling PP director V.M. Ileiko created by himself instead of machine tools of the firm "Shmol". This is how production was automated. There were also interesting solutions for automation at the Almetyevsk Radio Plant. I have the honor.
  • sw6513
    sw6513 15 May 2016 19: 31
    +4
    In my city, the factories of forge-and-press machines, forge-and-press equipment, a dairy, a brewery, a meat factory, a fish factory, a building materials factory, chemical warehouses, a baby food factory (Kuleshovsky), etc. were destroyed. Something is unlikely to be built ..
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 15 May 2016 19: 40
      +2
      Quote: sw6513
      They are unlikely to build something ..

      Well, why, shopping centers, parking lots, sites for receiving scrap metal, well, and other "hat".
    2. polkovnik manuch
      polkovnik manuch 15 May 2016 20: 40
      +4
      I understand that you are from the Rostov region, more precisely from the city of Azov. Dear, unless only your enterprises were destroyed, but throughout Russia -Matushka exactly the same situation! In the Rostov region, the situation is the same as in the neighboring regions. I recently drove through the entire European part of Russia, how much land is not cultivated! And the "deposits" of garbage, dumps near the railway, especially in Smolenskaya, Bryanskaya (just a quiet horror!), Rostovskaya - no better, it is surprising where the profile, responsible organizations are looking, because not only we travel by trains, but also foreigners who also see all this dirt. And then they say and show how Russia turns into a trash heap.
    3. ICT
      ICT 15 May 2016 20: 55
      +1
      Quote: sw6513
      They are unlikely to build something ..


      https://www.google.ru/maps/@56.0367262,40.0352543,3a,44.8y,93.08h,89.43t/data=!3
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  • Polar Bear
    Polar Bear 15 May 2016 19: 31
    +5
    Everything is fine in words, but in reality? ..
    What kind of bureaucratic soul in her right mind would agree to give up all benefits and start working, rather than stealing?
    Namely, this question will remain rhetorical.
    1. Alekseir162
      Alekseir162 15 May 2016 20: 05
      +1
      What kind of bureaucratic soul in her right mind would agree to give up all benefits and start working, rather than stealing?

      Oh really. The people say: "Keep the economy, don’t ... and shake", but in our country officials seem to do just that and can do it (in the sense of shaking the economy). Well, and even the “right words” to speak with the “correct” expression of the “face-face” that they know how.
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 15 May 2016 19: 35
    +5
    The article is good. I agree completely.
    Need a different economic model.
    Really, tired of any messages about Siluanov, a person is fortunetellers on coffee grounds, otherwise you can’t name his forecasts, and for this nonsense he is paid millions, as well as the entire economic bloc. It is necessary to think of it so that the filling of the budget is ensured by the fall of the ruble! No control and analysis of economic performance. The PF must have a collection rate calculated on the basis of salary and the number of working-age population. Where does the money come from if the jobs are occupied by migrant workers. Here it is not necessary to raise the retirement age, but to close the loophole for businesses for which profit is the non-payment of taxes on salaries, which is why they give orders to guest workers, they do not pay taxes on salaries.
    The most effective economic model is the management of the workforce. In the USSR there was a planned economy, but it was ruined that the plans were set according to need, not provided with raw materials, not corresponding to production capacities. Yes, there was one that ruined production. The workshop operates stably at installed capacity - the plan is being upgraded. It is clear that it is possible to work not in one but in 2 shifts, somewhere to increase the number of machines, but there are production where an increase in productivity is impossible, for example, biochemical. Just to the eyeballs, they specifically destroyed enterprises in order to bankrupt and become owners. Yes, there was little production of consumer goods, it was necessary to create the private sector of their small enterprises, but they even had nowhere to take raw materials — leave outside the plan was prohibited. This is what I need to analyze, what destroyed the Soviet economy, to take the best of those times. And most importantly, the state must finally do what it exists for, to provide work for the country's inhabitants, to remember that slavery is a distant past, and any work must be paid in time and in full. Fighting gray and black patterns is also the state’s responsibility. If there is no work, but there really is not enough work, it simply does not make sense to register with the employment center, because official statistics do not show real unemployment. Against this background, outraged advertising does not work for a gray salary. Extra money from the RF PF, what do they offer ?! Stop working as a mechanic for 40 thousand, and get a janitor for 10 thousand, while losing not only money, but also qualifications? Distributors of goods snooping around the entrances, their income is pure fraud. Yes, if they had a choice, they would work in the workplace. And so on all issues.
    The state must have an economy, there must be enterprises, jobs, the country must produce all the goods necessary for the people, at least 90%, and there must be equipment for the production of these goods. When all this will be, the country will become independent from the outside, then no one will impose sanctions, because it is useless. Russia must become a country invulnerable to external forces, then all supporters of "containment" of Russia, let them choke on their bile, because they can not do anything !!!
  • 0895055116
    0895055116 15 May 2016 19: 38
    +11
    I live in a former industrial center, now a DEPRESSIVE REGION - Volgograd. Why are we? Count for yourself Over the past 12-15 years, enterprises have been closed, bankrupt in the city, many with world and all-Russian fame: the Shipyard, Khimprom, Volgograd Tractor (from it there are several special production shops), Aluminum Plant, Motor Plant, Drilling Equipment Plant, Woodworking Kuibyshev Plant, Medical Equipment Plant and others. Over many still working factories to this day hangs the ax of "reformers" and "effective managers." Young people from the city are fleeing to other, more successful regions. Who should be "THANKS" for this situation? POWER - both local and federal! And the party - EP!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 May 2016 21: 07
      0
      All these enterprises went bankrupt because they had no orders, namely competing products, except for the Aluminum Plant, and Khimprom was 95 percent worn out and the dirtiest enterprise in the Volgograd region and it was good that it was closed - the city and the region would be less poisonous.
  • Lens
    Lens 15 May 2016 19: 40
    +4
    I support the words of the previous author. Any modernization implies capital investment. If according to the call of the author, then it is not entirely relevant. Remember the words of Uncle Fyodor from Prostokvashino? "To buy something unnecessary, we have to sell something unnecessary, but we have no money." At the state level, it's ticklish. It’s necessary to redistribute the cash flows, and this is so unpleasant for some!
  • 31rus2
    31rus2 15 May 2016 19: 42
    +4
    Dear, I’ll say a hard article full of pathos and pure emotions, the problems have long been known, the wrong people are dealing with these problems, that is, the government and the same mind, one politician for the average person, another for the oligarchs, a third for the military zero, the predicted economic growth of 4%, is no longer feasible, the social network tends to zero, what if the president decides the salary at the fish factory is not funny?
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 15 May 2016 19: 44
    +3
    Quote: weksha50
    I am categorically against any revolutions, and even more so - a civil war, BUT (!!!) I absolutely do not see ways to put together a normal, patriotic, caring for the country backbone in the country's leadership ... I absolutely do not see a mechanism for painless but strict control of "specific princelings "in the field ..

    It is necessary to return control over the household. local activities to the "People's Councils / Committees" and then the matter will move off the "dead center". Putin hopes for some movement, but it rather resembles the movement of signalmen and does not have any rights, and their competence on many issues is questionable. At the head of the management system should be the interests of the state, and not the uncontrolled officials managing the state. The current State Duma promotes the interests of the oligarchs who bought the parties and thus promoted. their people. A management system that rests only on the morality of an individual will surely go to waste. This is what we see in the decay of the bureaucratic apparatus of management. The system has outlived its usefulness - we need to move on, or rather rethink the Soviet system, take the best and build not on a party basis, but on the basis of people who know and are able to build a new just social (socialist) society. hi
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 May 2016 19: 46
    +5
    The author manipulates numbers in a strange way. I won't go for each, but exaggerates everything by about an order of magnitude (ten times!). But he is forgiven, he is a professor of Baumanovka born in 1926, we are not forgiven for liking such an article, without any analysis. I can’t say that we are all "good". But to say that Russia is drifting without a rudder and sailing in an unknown direction is not worth it. In a situation with a threefold decline in oil and gas prices, plus sanctions, plus the impossibility of on-lending corporate debts - the most severe economic attack on Russia - obviously coordinated, it can be stated that they cost little blood. And further. Now in Russia, anyone who wants to make money - with his hands or with his head - can do it, if it's worth something. And who is from the machine to half a liter - these are not worth talking about. We have enough competent engineers and skilled workers. And the work is full. And about what kind of technological order we have there, the 4th or the 6th, it reminds of a dispute about fighters - what generation are they? 4 ++ or 5? Theorizing is naked.
    1. FenH
      FenH 15 May 2016 19: 50
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The author manipulates numbers in a strange way. I won't go for each, but exaggerates everything by about an order of magnitude (ten times!). But he is forgiven, he is a professor of Baumanovka born in 1926, we are not forgiven for liking such an article, without any analysis. I can’t say that we are all "good". But to say that Russia is drifting without a rudder and sailing in an unknown direction is not worth it. In a situation with a threefold decline in oil and gas prices, plus sanctions, plus the impossibility of on-lending corporate debts - the most severe economic attack on Russia - obviously coordinated, it can be stated that they cost little blood. And further. Now in Russia, anyone who wants to make money - with his hands or with his head - can do it, if it's worth something. And who is from the machine to half a liter - these are not worth talking about. We have enough competent engineers and skilled workers. And the work is full. And about what kind of technological order we have there, the 4th or the 6th, it reminds of a dispute about fighters - what generation are they? 4 ++ or 5? Theorizing is naked.


      My plus hi But I’m afraid they’ll quickly wreck you now, an article of a provocative nature
  • Victor19
    Victor19 15 May 2016 19: 52
    +6
    They made fun of us. Almost all consumer electronics are imported. The excess of imports over exports (negative balance) of half a trillion dollars. The so-called reindustrialization has actually failed. Look at Detroit. Entire sectors of the economy are uncompetitive: metallurgy, automotive, and now the oil industry (the number of drilling
    2014 decreased three times).
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 15 May 2016 19: 54
    +5
    Quote: x.andvlad
    In the meantime, we have technical schools and other educational institutions designed to train workers, breathing in the wings.

    And the level of training of graduates, in comparison with the Soviet Union, leaves much to be desired. The same thing with higher education. The level of education of the average graduate of current universities corresponds only to the level of graduates of technical schools of the USSR.
    1. Akkypamucm
      Akkypamucm 15 May 2016 21: 59
      0
      And even lower. In YouTube, a demonstration video (excerpt from Vesti) about gold graduates, where Mr. Baburin was the rector ...
  • Sasha75
    Sasha75 15 May 2016 19: 59
    +3
    You forgot about the very important thing in our country, politicians think not about development, but about selling gas and oil and about stuffing their pockets. A person cannot develop a country while selling it and thinking about his profit. Joseph Stalin left behind two worn jackets and a pair of boots and a country with an atomic bomb and won the war and made a reserve for space. And from 1922 to 1941, he had not like ours from 1991 to 2016. It’s just that the installation was different WE WILL BUILD, and WE WILL BREW on us and it does not change, you bet, and who was convicted with confiscation and returned at least half of the stolen goods. A simple example of how people bought factories of a factory is what their money for a million, when the price of a factory is a billion is not theft, and if the country is built on that, we want to steal and sell. Or do you think that we behave decently towards Europe and this is worth our interest or the sale of gas and oil is more important, because it is probably more important in our own pockets. Turkey, not shy, put all of Europe on its knees and twirls as it wants. And what prevents us from stopping the supply of coal gas oil for a week in transit with sanctions. Believe me, the outskirts became silk and we forgot about everything and we began to sell technologies and immediately we see fluffy and good journalists in Turkey, they put Kurds in, kill terrorists, they treat, they teach, but everything is fine.
  • cap
    cap 15 May 2016 20: 09
    0
    “You have forgotten about something very important, our politicians are not thinking about development, but about selling gas and oil and filling their pockets. A person cannot develop a country while selling it and thinking about his own profit. Joseph Stalin left behind two worn jacket and a pair of boots and a country with an atomic bomb and won the war and made a reserve for space.And from 1922 to 1941 it was not like ours from 1991 to 2016. It's just that the installation was different WE WILL BUILD, and here WE WILL it does not change, you argue, but who was convicted with confiscation and returned at least half of what was stolen.A simple example of how people bought factories, what for their hard-earned money for a million, when a factory price a billion is not theft, but if a country is built on this, what we want, stole, sold. "
    sasha75 (3) RU Today, 19:59


    Maybe we just look at the numbers. (Click). And everything will fall into place. This is when they thought about the country, and not about their pocket.
  • muks
    muks 15 May 2016 20: 26
    +1
    The society vests a magistrate with RIGHTS for the good of the COMPANY. When the RIGHTS are used for the benefit of the magistrate, ignoring, infringing, opposing the interests of the magistrate to the interests of society - this is CORRUPTION. Not marrying a bribe by the bureaucrat, not being forced to offer a good doctor, and not directly soliciting an official from the registration chamber, is a system failure. It would seem simpler: power is higher than property; service is higher than possession; justice is higher than the law; general is higher than private; spiritual is higher than material. SIMPLY? So what was the matter? A very large number of people are doing their own business. Priorities should be established with the crèche - ...
  • Who said
    Who said 15 May 2016 20: 29
    +6
    What is the upgrade? What is the rise in production? I live in St. Petersburg, not counting the defense industry (which, by the way, is small) salaries in factories are mostly gray. Since the beginning of this year, widespread delays in salaries have been reduced, moreover, money has been holding back the size of salaries and has been reduced. Young people don’t go to factories will not last forever Until the state introduces draconian measures to combat gray schemes nothing will change for the better
  • Azatot
    Azatot 15 May 2016 20: 39
    +4
    A little off topic, but the meaning is true. Unfortunately.
    1. atalef
      atalef 15 May 2016 20: 58
      +4
      Quote: Azatot
      A little off topic, but the meaning is true. Unfortunately.

      So this is Bismarck said.
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 15 May 2016 22: 47
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: Azatot
        A little off topic, but the meaning is true. Unfortunately.

        So this is Bismarck said.

        What does the Internet have to do with it? At a time when there was no Internet, we read books, newspapers, listened to the radio and watched TV. Is any of the above very different from the internet? What people write, say and show - this is what people believe. And this is not only in the social. countries was, but also in the cap. countries were also. It was at all times, the ruling elite always "rowed" and rewrote the truth for themselves. A tiny example, so as not to describe in the entire human history: in the Vatican there are old books that they will never publish, because Christian churchmen are terribly afraid of this truth. Why not the modern Internet with false religious publications, admitted to general reading, bringing the "truth" to the people.
    2. MiRvSeMvDoM
      MiRvSeMvDoM 15 May 2016 21: 29
      -1
      These are the words of Brzezik rather for the period of the beginning of the 2000s. Let him at least give a few names, oh yes, they don’t give their own. This rotten broiler threw this info, which you can not check. So this is a cheap stuffing in Brzezinski, so that an ordinary layman rinses his brain ... Although I have no doubt that some of our government keep their coins in foreign bags ...
  • Prince Gvidon
    Prince Gvidon 15 May 2016 20: 44
    +3
    The ball is ruled by profit and thirst for easy and big profit. It seems to me that a grandiose performance is taking place around us, where the development of the plot is known only to one director, and during the intermission, the audience is served an intoxicating and narcotic nostalgia for the old days. Power invests billions in the development of other states through stabilization funds and not a penny in its own production , but the well-being of the people and stability depend on this. Allegedly, we are in confrontation with the United States, but we do not stop selling them rocket engines, titanium for Boeing, and uranium. Let's make a simple comparison. What has been done in 26 years of a "promising" market economy. He destroyed hundreds of thousands of enterprises. Monopolization and seizure of transport and raw materials, energy resources by individuals. The collapse of medicine and education, the death rate is higher than the birth rate, and this is all in peacetime without disasters and epidemics. Now take 1945 and add 26 years. 1971 - the country has not easily risen from the ruins, but has also become an intensively developing world industrial power. Time of stagnation, tell you - there is no time of stability. What do you want from VVP? YOU remember who brought him to power and to whom he erected the temple. And all our recent victories are just the protection of our bourgeoisie's interests. It's sad, but maybe the reality is just that. I would really like to be wrong. I need a blast-explosion of the brain.
  • Evgeny Khokhlov
    Evgeny Khokhlov 15 May 2016 20: 47
    -1
    The planned economy weaned the peasant to be the owner of his land and work on it! Now the state does not contribute to the development of farming and small agro enterprises
    1. FenH
      FenH 15 May 2016 20: 52
      +2
      Quote: Yevgeny Khokhlov
      The planned economy weaned the peasant to be the owner of his land and work on it! Now the state does not contribute to the development of farming and small agro enterprises

      Last year, in our region, all fields were plowed and sown, and there is a rustle in it.
      There would be a desire
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 May 2016 21: 13
        0
        In our agriculture, agricultural holdings are increasingly starting to steer.
      2. Winter cherry
        Winter cherry 15 May 2016 21: 43
        +3
        Small farms will not survive. Everywhere in the world is enlargement. If farmers want to survive, they also need to unite in collective farms.
      3. Winter cherry
        Winter cherry 15 May 2016 21: 43
        0
        Small farms will not survive. Everywhere in the world is enlargement. If farmers want to survive, they also need to unite in collective farms.
        1. mihasik
          mihasik 15 May 2016 23: 10
          0
          Quote: Winter Cherry
          Small farms will not survive. Everywhere in the world is enlargement. If farmers want to survive, they also need to unite in collective farms.

          In agricultural cooperatives, they will definitely survive. Common world practice. Collective farms have always come down with standards for what and how to grow from the top. In COOP, everything is decided not by the market (fashionable), but by ordinary demand. Or restore a planned economy.
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 15 May 2016 23: 51
          0
          On the collective farm, they will no longer be farmers. A farmer is, by definition, an individual producer.
    2. Prince Gvidon
      Prince Gvidon 15 May 2016 20: 58
      +2
      Dear Eugene. In any state, the rural economy is subsidized and is at risk, at least because of weather conditions. And to deal with our banks under their predatory loans, not everyone is given. And mind you flourish agro-holdings-read collective farms.
  • Igor V
    Igor V 15 May 2016 20: 50
    +1
    The author has raised an underlying issue. It can be solved only at the very top, regardless of the names. As you know, Russia took a modern course only two years ago, apparently the inertia of the movement still remains. But it is unlikely that something will change in relation to us at the foreign banks, at the expense of which ours lived. And our banking system is the main thing in the economy. The famous Marxian formula "commodity - money - commodity", in which "money" can be omitted and engaged in barter, is replaced by "money - commodity - money", in which "commodity" can be omitted and engaged in pure lending. It is not profitable for banks to engage in production, too many investments, too long to wait for profit. If we do industrialization, then the first step is to define the banking capital as intermediaries of production, and not as the main force of the economy. This requires political will.
    Turning to the article, he himself worked in the late 80s, early 90s at a rental company. What the author writes about Yugoslavia was with us. We even could not invest vouchers in our company because it was not state property.