A new generation missile boat will be built in Feodosia

A small rocket ship of a new generation will be laid at the Feodosia shipyard “More”, the press service informs Ministry of Defence.

“The small rocket ship (MRK) of the new generation of the 22800 project will be laid at the shipyard“ More ”in Feodosia on May 10. By order of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, the ship was given the name "Storm". Representatives of the Main Command of the Russian Navy will take part in the groundbreaking ceremony, ”

says release.

“The IRC of the 22800 project was designed by the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau. It has a displacement of about 800 tons and develops speed over 30 nodes. The ship is equipped with a high-precision rocket complex weapons and modern artillery complexes, ”the press service reported.

It is noted that "when designing small rocket ships of this project, the requirements of the Main Command of the Navy were implemented, which made it possible to achieve a number of advantages: high maneuverability, increased seaworthiness, as well as the architecture of superstructures and the hull, made using technologies of low reflectivity."

The ministry reminded that “previously two IRCs of the 22800 project with the names“ Uragan ”and“ Typhoon ”were laid at the shipbuilding enterprise“ Pella ”in St. Petersburg and are in the process of construction”.

It is planned to build 10 ships of this project.

Comments

[avvg]

Thank God, shipbuilding plants ("Zaliv", "Sea") of Crimea are being revived.

[cniza]

This is a gift for the USA, such an easy and elegant answer.

[Dimon19661]

The fact of the matter is that it is very light. The US fleet will not even notice it.

[Muvka]

Quote: Dimon19661

The fact of the matter is that it is very light. The US fleet will not even notice it.

Well, the weapons are excellent. Or do you think only "size matters"?

[crazyrom]

Quote: Muvka

The fact of the matter is that it is very light. The US fleet will not even notice it.

After all, the truth will not be noticed right away, only 800 tons, but when they notice it will be too late

[dyksi]

That you are comparing missile boats with destroyers, it’s not even funny and still minus the person who says sensible things? Do you want to take these boats out to the Pacific or Atlantic Ocean? These are coastal ships. Compare the salvoes of the fleets, for destroyers it is up to 80 missiles (each, depending on the tasks), what volley our boats and patrol boats have, two, three dozen, versus several hundred (if there are several destroyers), roughly count how many missiles with each the parties will be intercepted and draw your own conclusions. They will be located in the Mediterranean Sea, as well as in Odessa and the ports of Georgia, they will seal the Bosphorus, several AUGs, a couple of Ohio ships in the Mediterranean Sea join the action (they have three hundred "axes" for two. How much air defense will you need to Our "Caliber" fired at stationary targets of militants who have no air defense, and not at destroyers with mattresses on the yards. In aviation, they have a huge (numerical) superiority, and these aircraft are not sour strike weapons. zones of a unit and those need re-equipment, no one has been involved in the development of destroyers and full-fledged frigates, there is not even R&D, so we are forced to build boats and call them frigates, but they don’t become them because of this. long-term construction of full-fledged ships of the far sea zone. but (in fact) no one can resist them (the Union could, but it is not and the fleet is cut). By the way, I looked at the forums about a brand new Soviet underdevelopment, which was sent to the place where the entire ocean fleet was sent, I will say in vain, the state is excellent, you could stuff it with anything, there were only brand new hulls. Tsar Peter was building a mosquito fleet, since the Swedes pressed us, but he immediately developed the construction of ships of a heavy class, he himself studied this business. There are no powers without a strong navy, this is the primary argument that everyone has to reckon with (the forces of nuclear deterrence do not count).

[Dam]

We do not have the task of fighting the Indo-Pacific in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans. But any destroyer can flood such a boat in its coastal zone. And at the expense of intercepting missiles, so xs, whether the vaunted IJIS will be able to intercept our PKR or not, then the war will show the plan. And wars between fleets in the oceans are likely to mean the end of another human civilization.

[Eugene-Eugene]

Again, a copy-paste article brought here. MRK project 22800 "Karakurt" with a displacement of 800 tons - these are not boats, these are small corvettes. The boat is a Ukrainian "Gyurza" with 30 tons. Petrovsky galleys with a displacement of 300 tons, I would not even venture to call them boats. Topvar, I wonder if you yourself are constantly pushing such "materials" here, or is it the work of a big "expert" outside the state?

[cobalt]

There was such a destroyer "Eilat" in 1967, too, did not notice our (Egyptian) RK "Komar" and safely drowned from our P15 missiles. It happens.

[Linkor200]

cobalt- "Kursk" - also "drowned" from ITS totpeda, B S IN A E T. To avoid stupid comments, I will immediately make a reservation: Captain - Lieutenant Koilesnikov and EVERYONE who were in the 9th compartment are HEROES / for some reason quickly forgotten /. And to you, Cobalt, I will tell you - it is harmful to sting, it can return to stinging in a much worse form.

[Shark Lover]

Jews everywhere they’ll stick their nose in. Sit on your beach and don’t scuff. I can send the sleeves. We’ve got it already, everyone is watching, we’ll figure it out without your participation.

[oblako]

These were completely different situations. Stupid comments nevertheless arose ... And as for the small vessels, the general principle of concentrating in a smaller volume of greater striking power is also valid for them. And in the conditions of network-centric information support - this can be a decisive circumstance.

[bovig]

Quote: Linkor200

cobalt- "Kursk" - also "drowned" from ITS totpeda, B S IN A E T. To avoid stupid comments, I will immediately make a reservation: Captain - Lieutenant Koilesnikov and EVERYONE who were in the 9th compartment are HEROES / for some reason quickly forgotten /. And to you, Cobalt, I will tell you - it is harmful to sting, it can return to stinging in a much worse form.

Well, let's say the Kursk was not "drowned" by ITS torpedo ... All the same, this project is very noisy in terms of hydroacoustics (this is its only drawback). It's just, unfortunately, it was HARMFUL to admit it then and too late now, but the "compensation" for it was nevertheless paid indirectly by sharply raising the oil price ... The heroes, of course, cannot be returned ...

[Delta]

Quote: bovig

Well, let's say the Kursk was not "drowned" by ITS torpedo ... All the same, this project is very noisy in terms of hydroacoustics (this is its only drawback). It's just, unfortunately, it was HARMFUL to admit it then and too late now, but the "compensation" for it was nevertheless paid indirectly by sharply raising the oil price.

You know everything. Already envy takes

[swetlana1]

The main thing is that we stole our special torpedoes and equipment

[Tusv]

Quote: dyksi

Tsar Peter built a mosquito fleet, as the Swedes pressed us

What was, and so attacked. Brilliant by the way. Gangut the first strip on gyus. Always dreamed of serving in the Navy, but they found the best application for me

[laogun]

No need to poop liquid, you still forgot about the Bohr project, and right now they are supplemented without any extra posters. Putin aroused a lot in our development projects - S400 is the project of 1993 and there are already S-500, S-600 and beyond with all the stops. Not far Get up The Great Country - we have already been overlaid by NATO members themselves and we will have to throw them out. Get ready, comrades, the war is already at your doorstep!

[gg.na]

Quote: laogun

Get ready, comrades, the war is already at your doorstep!

Yes, the war can begin anywhere at least on the western borders, even on the eastern. Both there and there is a buildup of military potential partners damn. Well, RUSSIA also does not lose time in vain! And if it blazes somewhere, an adequate answer will be received those who climb into a splinter ! And the answer will not be very frail!

[Navigator]

The war is already in full swing. The world is changing. if earlier they fought with weapons in their hands, now the wars are different. When we were imposed with sanctions, they are trying to destroy the economy, isn't this a war? This is a real war, only so far in the "cold" phase. And the "hot" war is the next step.

[Gogia]

I completely agree. Instead of sawing the deltas and the 941 project - we need to redo them to calibers - only then will we be able to give at least some intelligible retaliatory strike on the AUG and missile defense. Our volley should be at least 3000 - 5000 KR - this is the first response volley. The rest of the containers is still about 10000 pcs. Only in this situation can we contrast and add not only military facilities, but also central banks and storage facilities of the EU countries for the purpose

[goose]

Quote: Gogia

I completely agree. Instead of sawing the deltas and the 941 project - we need to redo them to calibers - only then will we be able to give at least some intelligible retaliatory strike on the AUG and missile defense

It is easier to build new ones, especially since submarines of> 20000 tons are not very stable. I think it's time to revive the submarines, reminiscent of our one-pot type of the project 670M or "Amurov" with VNEU and a universal insert in the middle. Super-submarines such as projects 949, 667 or 885, etc. I'm afraid it won't work, given the current budget of Russia.

[shans2]

2 hundred cruise missiles for nuclear reactors are enough .... and you invented tens of thousands here, directly American in thinking ...

[swetlana1]

It's nice to see a smart bunny!
Barking, what nuclear reactors will you shoot at?
On the ship - you definitely miss it ..))
And in the reactors of nuclear power plants - this is how they withstand the impact of an aircraft with full ammunition and detonation of all this
happens, barking

[opus]

Quote: dyksi

What do you want to bring these boats to the Pacific, or Atlantic Ocean?

22800-Refers to ships of the third rank. The official designation of the ships - the conduct of hostilities in the near sea zone and participation in the fulfillment of peacetime tasks.
Why do they need the Atlantic and the Pacific?

Quote: dyksi

We need to really look at things and not put off the construction of full-fledged ships in the far sea zone.

no production capacity ... and the money is also not "hot"

Quote: dyksi

Tsar Peter built a mosquito fleet, as the Swedes pressed us, but he immediately developed the construction of heavy class ships, he himself studied this matter.

As always, we start all over again under Peter 1, under Catherine 2, under Nicholas I, after Nicholas II ... after the collapse of the USSR ..
And then we are surprised: why are we so poor and Americans are so rich ..

[kirieeleyson]

Vanya, for all your "sensible" pathos in a possible conflict, a few hours after such a blow with axes, there will be mash in exchanges of nuclear giants, and the axes will not reach the parity that many enthusiasts endow them with, the end will be the same for all.
The mosquito fleet is the future of our doctrine of defense, not attack. Less to you.

[bovig]

... Compare the salvoes of the fleets, for destroyers it is up to 80 missiles (each, depending on the tasks), what volley our boats and patrol boats have, two, three dozen, versus several hundred (if there are several destroyers), roughly count how many missiles with each the parties will be intercepted and draw your own conclusions. They will be located in the Mediterranean Sea, as well as in Odessa and the ports of Georgia, they will seal the Bosphorus, several AUGs, a couple of Ohio ships in the Mediterranean Sea join the action (they have three hundred "axes" for two. How much air defense will you need to Our "Caliber" fired at stationary targets of militants who have no air defense, and not at destroyers with mattresses on the yards. In aviation, they have a huge (numerical) superiority, and these aircraft are not sour strike weapons.

"Axes" and "calibers" are intercepted (reliably) by the only S-500 air defense system ... Quantity, in this matter, is not quality, because their main purpose is to inflict tangible damage on the enemy. Any US fleet exists if there is an aircraft carrier - no aircraft carrier, no navy, but only a flotilla of individual ships, for which there is no strategic mission, if there is no Aegis system ... Why are hypersonic missiles being developed? That's right, they are out of the reach of modern air defense systems, like the "Calibers"! In this situation, the STRATEGIC GOAL matters, which are US aircraft carriers, and not the number of missiles, thousands of which can be scattered across our territory to "scare" (if they are not ballistic) ... And also, the PRICE OF THE QUESTION is of strategic importance! Aircraft carrier, it's certainly cool, but expensive! Especially when you consider his cover and support ...

[poquello]

Quote: bovig

"Axes" and "calibers" are intercepted (reliably) by the only S-500 air defense system ... Quantity, in this matter, is not quality, because their main purpose is to inflict tangible damage on the enemy. Any US fleet exists if there is an aircraft carrier - no aircraft carrier, no navy, but only a flotilla of individual ships, for which there is no strategic mission, if there is no Aegis system ... Why are hypersonic missiles being developed? That's right, they are out of the reach of modern air defense systems, like the "Calibers"!

you either write something or not or not, the coefficient of shot goals can always be seen from the results of firing, and I don’t remember exactly the c300 + shell but it’s quite good against axes

[drunkram]

Finally, at least one sensible comment, when I said this for some reason, they rolled it in the minus

[kapitan281271]

But what about axes in the RCC variant can already bullet for thousands of kilometers or all shtaks no further than 300km

[KaPToC]

Do they have any? Axes in the version of RCC. It seems that the Americans failed to pile from the RCC ax, the project was closed.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: KaPToC

Do they have any? Axes in the version of RCC. It seems that the Americans failed to pile from the RCC ax, the project was closed.

They managed to pile - TASM. The trouble was that this rocket was subsonic and had a seeker from the "Harpoon". Therefore, after the collapse of the USSR, it was removed from service.

[Evgeny RS]

bases in Bulgaria and Romania can cover, and the destroyer in the World Cup

[guzik007]

What do you compare missile boats with destroyers, it’s not even funny and minus the person,
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If you think strategically, then, according to our purely defensive doctrine, such a coastal fleet, for lack of more than anything else, will ensure border security in the near future. AT THE NEAREST. And there, you look, and the ocean rivet: =)

[Winter cherry]

The Baltic and the World Cup must also be protected. And then these little ones are the thing.

[xan]

Quote: dyksi

What do you want to bring these boats to the Pacific, or Atlantic Ocean? These are ships of the coastal zone.

These are coastal ships. We do not want to bring them to the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.
The coastal zone is the Black Sea, the Mediterranean Sea, the Baltic Sea. And this is for Russia a much more important zone than the Pacific and Atlantic oceans. First the coastal zone, and then the oceans.

[Backfire]

We must start at least with a small one and then start building destroyers and frigates. True, this is a problem since Nikolaev is in Ukraine.

[ism_ek]

Quote: crazyrom

After all, the truth will not be noticed right away, only 800 tons, but when they notice it will be too late

I recall the bravura speech of the Japanese, the beginning of World War II. As a result, even Kamikadze did not help them, because the Americans built more ships over the years of World War II than the Japanese trained Kamikaze. By the end of the war, the United States alone had about 100 aircraft carriers ...

Civil ships need to be built. Understand why state-owned companies order a fleet abroad. The government is struggling with imported tomatoes, turning a blind eye to the fact that our oil production is completely tied to American technology.

Develop the economy, so as not to go "with checkers against tanks"

[Tusv]

Quote: Dimon19661

The fact of the matter is that it is very light. The US fleet will not even notice it.

I readily believe. The question is very likely: "Where did it come from?"

[Dimon19661]

And will they let me shoot? According to his target designations, he doesn’t particularly shoot, but where is the large fleet?

[swetlana1]

Targeting at such ranges is not carried out directly by the ship itself - the main thing is that it is in a single information space.

[crazyrom]

Will they give you a shot?

Naturally, how can you not give a shot to someone who was not noticed?

[Tusv]

Quote: Dimon19661

And will they let me shoot? According to his target designations, he especially doesn’t shoot

Mineral ME passively grazes a destroyer-type ship up to 450 km, actively up to 250 km, and itself will be noticeable, well, somewhere from 75. Well, in general, firing at a range of 250, turned off the active module and full speed ahead at 60 km / h. Look for the "Storm" at sea.
So a very good ship of 3 ranks.
Big Admirals: Grigorovich and Essen are already serving to dominate the Russian Sea

[KaPToC]

But what about the 21631 project? Or does one interfere with the other?

[Bronis]

Quote: KaPToC

But what about the 21631 project? Or does one interfere with the other?

As far as can be understood, Buyany-M was created for the Caspian Sea (ie, "river-sea" conditions)
Accordingly, they are not very suitable for service in the Black Sea Fleet. seaworthiness is not the same. And they appeared there, in essence, because of the well-known political problems and the shortage of Black Sea Fleet ships. Accordingly, karakurt is a more adequate replacement for MRK and RK Black Sea Fleet, but far from being a replacement for frigates of the "admiral's series". Although they often try to present them like that. The frigate number, it seems, will be. And 3 more - under the questions. GEM are missing their own. at least for now.

[weksha50]

Quote: Dimon19661

The fact of the matter is that it is very light. The US fleet will not even notice it.

The whole fleet may not even notice ...

And you think about what kind of boar separately such a mosquito fleet can fill up ...

It will not seem enough ... And someone can’t get off the shore, as on Donald Cook, ...

So shipbuilders have a good trip ... And there will be no problems with distillation to the Black Sea Fleet - they built it on the spot, put in place a fleet ... Hello to the Turks and everything else to NATO ...

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: weksha50

The whole fleet may not even notice ...

And you think about what kind of boar separately such a mosquito fleet can fill up ...

It will not seem enough ... And someone can’t get off the shore, as on Donald Cook, ...

So shipbuilders have a good trip ... And there will be no problems with distillation to the Black Sea Fleet - they built it on the spot, put in place a fleet ... Hello to the Turks and everything else to NATO ...

On such ships, the air defense is very weak and is usually limited to anti-aircraft guns and several MANPADS missiles on them.

[Red_Hamer]

For certain purposes, certain means, and nothing more! This is not the main message. The main thing is that already commented (avvg), I completely agree with him! It all starts small!

[Dimon19661]

I’d like to know how they’ll bring it down. How, for example, this boat learns about the enemy, how it will be aimed ... Before you write this, ask how modern ships hit the target. Ships of this class are definitely needed, but they are not an attack core fleet, and without cover for air defense and anti-aircraft defense of their older gatherings are light targets.

[poquello]

Quote: Dimon19661

I’d like to know how they’ll bring down. How, for example, this boat learns about the enemy, how it will be brought in ... Before you write this, take an interest in how modern ships strike

you watch how calibers flew to Syria

[Dimon19661]

We flew according to external target designations.

[poquello]

Quote: Dimon19661

We flew according to external target designations.

and the c300, c400 are also complex, and the airplane tractor doesn’t catch you can’t guess?

[HK416]

shoot all mattress vessels with one boat

[poquello]

Quote: HK416

shoot all mattress vessels with one boat

of course not, but please show me where you read it

[Alexey RA]

Quote: poquello

you watch how calibers flew to Syria

Was there an AUG in Syria? Or were they hitting Syria with anti-ship "calibers"?

Do not confuse the strike with cruise missiles at a previously reconnoitered motionless ground target and the strike with anti-ship missiles at the AUG moving at a speed of 20-25 knots.
Let's start with the fact that the range of the 3M-54 anti-ship missiles of the "Caliber" family is only 300 km. That is, to strike at the AUG MRK, you will not only have to enter the AUG affected zone, but to walk 150-200 kilometers in it.

[poquello]

Quote: Alexey RA

Let's start with the fact that the range of the 3M-54 anti-ship missiles of the Caliber family is only 300 km. That is, to hit the AUG

Let's start with a careful reading, an MPC for distant purposes is just a pencil case with calibers, then I don’t understand - do you want to tell the pencil box not anyway what calibers are in it ?, then I don’t understand yet - don’t I screw the head from the anti-ship missiles to the caliber? exclusive, did Galager make drunk?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: poquello

then I didn’t understand again - can’t I screw the head from the RCC to the caliber? exclusive, did Galager make drunk?

So screwed already. Got 3M-54 with an official range of 300 km and an unofficial - 500.

The problem is that the sea target does not stand still. When the Yankees did their TASM, they just stumbled upon this rake: while the subsonic anti-ship missile (when working at a great distance) reaches the zone where the target can be found, that target leaves this zone. And you have to cut the theoretically possible maximum range, exchanging it for maneuvering a rocket in the zone of independent target search.

Our problem was solved by reconnaissance and target designation machines - all kinds of Ka-25RC, Tu-95RC there. But there was another problem - airborne RCs are extremely vulnerable to enemy fighters.

[poquello]

Quote: Alexey RA

... you have to cut the theoretically possible maximum range, exchanging it for maneuvering a rocket in the zone of an independent target search.

Our problem was solved by reconnaissance and target designation machines ...

I didn’t understand again - our special ones are, in your opinion, a march of 700 km / h guaranteed capture of 70 km of GOS anti-ship missiles, everything is right - 300-500 km without course adjustment on the march

[KaPToC]

Our supersonic ones fly three to four times faster, the target does not have time to escape from the attack.

[poquello]

Quote: KaPToC

Our supersonic ones fly three to four times faster, the target does not have time to escape from the attack.

the comrade spoke about calibers, on the march they were 700 km / h, and they supersonic speed solved the problem of leaving the target, and I did not understand what problem he dragged into porridge with carcasses

[swetlana1]

Who is going to throw it on Aug?
The tactics of dealing with them are completely different

[KaPToC]

American aircraft carriers have a displacement of one hundred thousand tons, but for some reason they also, without cover, are light targets.

[Dimon19661]

Who told you that ???

[poquello]

Quote: Dimon19661

Who told you that ???

one submarine whispered in her ear

[avt]

Quote: weksha50

what boar separately can such a mosquito fleet fill up ...

Moreover, as they wrote earlier, and many did not believe right up to launches from the Caspian, this is not just RTOs, but quite a carrier platform for the RSRD, and I would draw a radius of three thousand kilometers around such a kid.

[Linkor200]

avt - And they / these same cols and / and really got on Muslim thugs, or, most importantly, it didn’t fall in Iran, and there, though the grass didn’t grow, even at Assad’s residence.

[Shark Lover]

you'd better talk about Hitler. Come some nigger Fuhrer or a skirt, what is worse, in a country of the mattress, once it starts that Hitler did not complete.

[fzr1000]

Is our Caliber oppressing you?

[Simple]

Quote: avt

and I’d draw a radius of three thousand kilometers around such a kid

The earth is round, and the landscape is different - draw a circle with a smaller radius.

In general, an increase in flight range with the same mass and dimensions is not such an unattainable thing.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: weksha50

And you think about what kind of boar separately such a mosquito fleet can fill up ...

You better read how the Yankees brought down such kids. Even turning off all the radars and disguising as a fishing vessel did not help: after the first inclusion of the radar for additional reconnaissance purposes, a missile flew into the RTOs.

[swetlana1]

I support the opinion of Dimona19661 - why then attacked?
The resumption of shipbuilding in the Crimea is a great thing - there is no need to carry boats around Europe and across Russia. The indicated MKR projects carry eight cruise missiles (of course, not bad).
Probably the author had in mind that the US Navy is armed with 62 Arly Burke-class destroyers, some of which are planned to be decommissioned and another to be modernized. The lead ship of the type joined the fleet in 1991. Initially, the military planned to confine themselves to 62 Arly Burke type destroyers, but in 2008 a decision was made to increase the number of ships to 75 units. Each of them has up to 96 similar missiles.
So ten of our ships are comparable to one destroyer?
If so, then from this point of view it is a true assessment.
From the point of view of the combat stability of the ship’s personnel under consideration or tactics of application, this will be another assessment. Naval sailors better know what tactics should be and what kind of ships are needed ..)))
But I have had a similar question for a long time to mature - maybe in the project to lay in advance a large number of CDs ..

[Warrior Hamilton]

Quote: swetlana1

The resumption of shipbuilding in the Crimea is a great thing - there is no need to carry boats around Europe and across Russia. The indicated MKR projects carry eight cruise missiles (of course, not bad).

In the Soviet Union, in order not to "drag ships around Europe", smart people from the White Sea - Baltic Channel implemented .........

[swetlana1]

Did you mean the Volga-Don Canal?

[Warrior Hamilton]

I meant the White Sea-Baltic Canal, Svetlana! Network of canals: the White Sea-Baltic, Volga-Baltic and Volga-Don created river roads, allowing ships and boats built for example in Gorky to be in the White Sea or in the Black. From St. Petersburg to the Caspian Sea, from Arkhangelsk to Sevastopol, from Nikolaev to Arkhangelsk. I think that people who are interested in the history and geography of their country do not need to catch me in words.

[Warrior Hamilton]

interested, izv.

[swetlana1]

I apologize for the incorrect wording

[Warrior Hamilton]

Yes, there’s nothing for you to apologize for, I hope that I didn’t offend you either!

[swetlana1]

Of course not offended. Thanks for flowers

[RuSFr]

In vain you cling to a girl.
He literally wrote: In the Soviet Union, in order not to "drag ships around Europe," the smart people of the White Sea - Baltic Channel implemented .........

Wikipedia link (learn to express your thoughts more clearly)

The Belomorsko-Baltic canal (abbreviated as Belomorkanal, LBC, until 1961 - the White Sea-Baltic Canal named after Stalin) is a canal connecting the White Sea with Lake Onega and having access to the Baltic Sea and the Volga-Baltic Waterway.

Built between 1931 and 1933 in record time. Opened August 2, 1933. The construction was carried out by the forces of the Gulag prisoners. It was one of the significant construction projects of the first five-year plan and the first fully camp construction in the USSR [1].

The total length of the channel is 227 kilometers. Includes 19 gateways. He was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of Labor in 1983. It is considered the pride of the first five-year plan (1928-1932), but it does not belong to the “Great Buildings of Communism” [2].

The canal route is served by the Federal State Institution “Administration of the White Sea-Onega Basin of Inland Waterways”, located in Medvezhyegorsk [3]

[alexmach]

But I have a similar question for a long time to mature - maybe in the project to lay in advance more CD

But where can they be laid there on a small boat? You can certainly build Vietnamese lightnings with 16 Uranus ... And what about air defense and anti-aircraft defense?

[ride78]

He asked, asked here - they said the rockets are the same. Well, then the mines do not fit in a large number because of the equipment. Looks like we have another type of Soviet radiol in size ... and with legs)

[swetlana1]

You voiced my rhetorical question
Then I will answer it specifically (without considering the tactics of combat use of MRK)
Add a section with another 8 cr. So it happens with ships ..
Just a new project - this is currently quite a long time in our country, and the ships are needed now .. At least

[Manitoo]

Quote: swetlana1

Each of them has up to 96 similar missiles.

Where did you get the idea that you can put 96 axes in Arly Burke ?? There, most of the cells are occupied by missiles. The standard armament kit for the third-series destroyer UVP consists of 74 RIM-66 SM-2 missiles, 24 RIM-7 Sea Sparrow missiles (four per cell), 8 BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles and 8 RUM-139 VL-Asroc guided missiles . The maximum configuration is 56 axes, but in this version there is no air defense and anti-aircraft defense, so this option is almost never used.

[swetlana1]

Pay attention please: I tried to voice in a slightly different sense the words of the author criticized above.
And because the MRK in question has an air defense conditional number (it is difficult to deal with such aircraft against airplanes that use TSA against MRK), then the amer looked without a standard set
Of course, your wording is accurate - but the meaning was different.

[Streich]

And in the Black Sea, if this fleet of the United States survives for no more than 5 minutes, well 15. Well, of course, if it’s serious, then it won’t even get there.

[ride78]

Old bike.
In fact, the bastions fired at 300 km?
Tu 22 in your opinion are not knocked down at all, and how many are there? And how many RCCs are available?
Well, then everything, nothing further.

[HK416]

yes, one such boat in each sea is enough for the eyes, the "killer of aircraft carriers" will also be able to

[Alexander 3]

And it pleases, whack and you are already in heaven.

[Warrior Hamilton]

Once, the Jews did not notice small missile boats among the Arabs and regretted it very much. True, the Arabs then also had to regret, but that's another story
and on another occasion.

[Old]

The Mosquito Fleet was already changing the idea of ​​naval combat. The development of striking means makes it a formidable weapon. For the World Cup, what is needed, went out in a flock, fired a volley of hundreds of "calibers" and under the protection of the C400.

[Verdun]

The mosquito fleet "has already turned over the idea of ​​naval combat. The development of striking means makes it a formidable weapon. For the World Cup, what is needed, came out in a flock, fired a volley of hundreds of" calibers "and under the protection of S400.

How is it in the famous movie?

Yes, I can put an aircraft carrier to the bottom. Well, with any luck, of course.

Those who believe that the solution of tasks at sea can be shifted only to the mosquito fleet and "Calibers" are greatly mistaken. There is no panacea weapon. At first, torpedoes were declared as such. Even a so-called "young school" arose, claiming that with the advent of the torpedo, large ships completely lost their combat value. Then they tried to rely exclusively on missiles and intended to abandon artillery and aviation ... Refused? And those who believe that the mosquito fleet turned something over, let them familiarize themselves with the statistics. They will not find major victories.

[Denimax]

Quote: Verdun

And those who believe that the mosquito fleet was turning something over, let them get acquainted with the statistics. They will not find major victories.

The mosquito fleet, of course, does not win the battle, but there are many examples when the small shell sank more serious ships.

[Verdun]

but there are many examples when the small drowned more serious ships.

Examples when serious ships drowned the small fry are also quite enough.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Denimax

The mosquito fleet, of course, does not win the battle, but there are many examples when the small shell sank more serious ships.

How much is "a lot"? LK "Saint-Istvan"?

[Andrey K]

Quote: Dimon19661

The fact of the matter is that it is very light. The US fleet will not even notice it.

I don’t think that our fleet consists of kamikaze, so that one RTOs per US fleet
But a swarm of these RTOs, as stated 10 pieces, can cause considerable heartburn, even the US Navy

[Ivan Ivanych]

I bet you will notice?)

[ledi irina]

On February 12, 88, a Big American tried to pump rights to the Black Sea, and a small patrol boat showed who the master is in the house, The owners of life crap in full. Learn the story. And in 14, our little drying forced us to fuck the Big Cook. So Dimon is small dear!

[Dimon19661]

Lord ... what nonsense ... the saddest thing is 99 percent of comments from people who have never seen a warship, I simply am silent about serving on it.

[marlin1203]

On the Black Sea "mosquito fleet" is the most. What are the cruisers to do there? From the Crimea, almost the entire sea is "shot through", not to mention the Black Sea Fleet aviation.

[igor.borov775]

Hello everyone on the site. There is an interesting prospect looming. The appearance of the small robbers completely changes the capabilities of the friends of our best colleague. Finally, understand this is probably the right decision. The even sea will cease to be a passage yard. Do you think the Yankees do not understand this. They understand perfectly. The appearance of a stranger right now just in case they are warning liberties is over. And the next move is of course the operational grouping of ships in the Mediterranean with other possibilities. And there the cozy atmosphere for the Yankees will not change a very pleasant side. Not all at once.

[ledi irina]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SME4w037FgA

[dmi.pris1]

In the nineteenth century, the great Turkish fleet spit on the Russians' fragile steam boat ... And this "boat", by the way, the name is worthy - "Joke" hit a pole with a pole bomb on the side of a Turkish steamer .. With humor, so in passing ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: dmi.pris

In the nineteenth century, the great Turkish fleet spit on the Russians' fragile steam boat ... And this "boat", by the way, the name is worthy - "Joke" hit a pole with a pole bomb on the side of a Turkish steamer .. With humor, so in passing ...

Yeah ... that's just the result of this attack - zero.

On the morning of June 8 on the Danube, the boat "Joke" under the command of Lieutenant N.I. Skrydlova was attacked by the Turkish armed wheeled steamer Ereush, which interfered with the setting of Russian minefields. At full speed, the boat came out of an ambush in the thicket of reeds, approached the starboard side of the steamboat and hit it with a pole mine behind the propeller wheel. Due to damage, the fuse did not work, and a strong current pressed the boat to the enemy board so that the mine pole broke. The Turks who came to their senses began point-blank shooting the "Joke" with hand weapons and wounded the commander and one of the sailors. Despite firing from the ship, the Russian sailors were able to put their hands on the side of the ship to push the boat and back up.

Maybe you had in mind the attack on the Dzhigit, Ksenia, Tsarevich and Tsarevna boats when the Seyfi monitor was sunk? So it was the only successful attack non-self-propelled minami. All the rest followed approximately the same scenario: either the mine didn’t work, or the boat couldn’t break through to the target at the range of use of mine weapons.

[alexng]

Quote: Dimon19661

The fact of the matter is that it is very light. The US fleet will not even notice it.

... and will sink to the bottom, never realizing who drowned him. And all because it is bad with vision. But this baby can crave for 2500 km without departing from the pier or from the mouth of a thread of the inner river. Big sea targets are no longer in the trend - endangered dinosaurs.

[HK416]

Yes, immediately at the White House from the port will shoot

[Alexey RA]

Quote: alexneg

But this baby can crave for 2500 km without departing from the pier or from the mouth of a thread of the inner river.

... on a motionless target. Do not confuse 3M-14 and 3M-54.

[alexng]

If a warhead with a tactical vigorous charge, then what is the difference between a moving naval target or not.

[opus]

Quote: Dimon19661

The US Navy will not even notice it.

The law of transition of quantitative changes into qualitative ones in dialectical materialism, materialist dialectics, as well as a number of close philosophical concepts - the universal law of the development of nature, the material world, human society and thinking. The law was formulated by Friedrich Engels as a result of the interpretation of Hegel's logic and the philosophical works of Karl Marx.

[Duke]

22800 small rocket ships
Main characteristics
800 ton displacement
60 meters length
Width 10 meters
Draft 4 meters
Diesel electric engines
30 nodes travel speed
Cruising Range 2500 Miles
The autonomy of swimming 15 day
weaponry
Mineral-M radar armament
Radio-electronic weapons AMCOY "Trassa-E", Combat information and control system "Sigma-E"
Tactical strike weapons 1 × 8 UVP 3С14 for missiles RK P-800 "Onyx" and "Caliber-NK"
Artillery 1×1-100mm or 1×1-76mm automatic universal gun mount
Anti-aircraft artillery 1 × ZRAK "Broadsword" (presumably)

[goose]

I like that there is no tenacity in relation to the maximum speed of 40-45 knots. This is a huge saving in space and an easier task for the industry. Also saving with diesel engines. All the same, for the tasks of this ship you need to go to decent distances. And the range of 2500 is very impressive. I wonder what kind of atomicity in the days and which crew really need to operate this ship.

[Konstantin Yu]

Enlighten the dark: is it necessary to carry cases with Caliber fast and expensive? just a barge-bulk carrier-container ship will not work? to the tugboat and to the distant shores of the anchor .... or do you need to run away for reloading quickly? ..

[Bochik]

Quote: Dimon19661

The fact of the matter is that it is very light. The US fleet will not even notice it.

That's great, that does not notice! The more painful the bites will be. invisible "bees".

[Sartorius]

Let it not notice until the moment of launch.

[bovig]

Quote: Dimon19661

The fact of the matter is that it is very light. The US fleet will not even notice it.

In the Caspian Sea, Ishilov's calibers were not used to soak battleships either ... Over 30 knots and missile armament (especially if designed for hypersonic ones being developed), stealth, these are the qualities that are necessary for an "aircraft carrier killer" ... notices!)))

[gg.na]

Quote: Dimon19661

which is very light. The US Navy will not even notice it.

Stealth - this means stealth! The white fur-bearing animal, the arctic fox, will descend unnoticed !!! !!!

[smart Fox]

Of course not, they won’t have time. Missile boat. A volley of calibers will also allow you to hide in the reeds.

[Evgeny RS]

will not notice how it gets the caliber))

[venik]

Quote: Dimon19661

The fact of the matter is that it is very light. The US fleet will not even notice it.

And why, excuse me, on the Black Sea we need big pelvis? The cruiser and destroyers of the Black Sea Fleet are ships for the MEDITERRANEAN squadron (by the way, a significant part of them are still located there). At the World Cup, they are not really needed (too noticeable and too vulnerable!). But RK and RTOs (capable of drowning even an aircraft carrier if necessary!) - THIS IS THE MOST !!!
"Shtatniki" are exactly what they are afraid of !! Remember how they freaked out when the Caspian Flotilla zhahnuli at IS in Syria !!!
And then, if you think about it: such a "mosquito" horde will pour out from the Crimean ports and go for a walk around the entire water area, fucking everything that turns up "under the arm" go catch them later !!!

[guzik007]

The fact of the matter is that it is very light. The US fleet will not even notice it.
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But this is the most important trump card. The Caspian flotilla was also "not noticed" for a long time.

[Ivan Ivanych]

The answer will be very short and clear. very sorry for those who survive)

[dima mzk]

yes let them with their bulky pans suffocate there, and that’s enough for the aircraft carrier to drown

[godofwar6699]

a lot of talk.

[Michael67]

After so many years, the first swallow did not understand what.
Very nice to hear.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Such ships are good for anti-submarine service. Small size, easier and cheaper to take the ship out to sea. To defeat a submarine, unlike a ship, numerous weapons are not needed. Enough 2-3 caliber rocket and torpedoes, or 2-3 small torpedoes from a helicopter.

[kepmor]

For the search and destruction of submarines, this RTO building is not suitable - too small.
There is no room either for the GAS (GAK) or for the helicopter, and the hull is sharpened for speed, seaworthiness and stability on the wave does not stand out. And the main diesel engines will create a "not sickly" level of their own noise for our GAS, which already do not really "see and hear", so one cannot do without a ship's helicopter. Add here the PTZ complex with RBU, the cellar for the RSL and the kerosene storage - the displacement for 2000 tons will go away.
In general, anti-submarine warfare against PLPL in modern conditions is absolutely not a "rewarding occupation" for any surface ships! It's like "looking for a black cat in a dark room"!
All the advantages are on the side of the submarine - he hears and sees much farther than the PLNK, and actually shoots "out of the tishka", an infection. Only aviation and multipurpose PLPL have real chances to "overwhelm" the underwater foe.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: kepmor

There is no place for either a gas engine or a helicopter, and the hull is sharpened for speed,

The US anti-submarine unmanned ship has even less displacement (145 tons).

Quote: kepmor

PTZ with RBU, cellar for RSL

Why RBU? There are small torpedoes.

[kepmor]

I answer as questions come up, like anti-submarine to the bone marrow:
1. The US drone is really about 150 tons with a displacement, BUT it is a "drone", that is. there is no crew. Consequently, huge savings in space - there is no need for a navigating bridge, GKP, navigational wheelhouse, power and survivability post and dozens of combat posts, as well as cabins and cockpits, in the wardroom and dining room, in latrines, corridors and vestibules , in ammunition cellars and many other rooms.
2. Do not forget that the main purpose of this "trough of the future" is to search, track and target anti-submarine strike forces - aviation, PLPL and NKNK.
3. Regarding RBU ... when a wire-controlled MK-50 mod.48 body flies into the side or wake at a speed of 2 knots, then all means are good, especially the "curtain from the RSB-60 series" with a depth of 15 -20 meters - the most effective means of the ship's PTZ and no "anti-torpedoes" even stood nearby!
And one more thing - today no computer and "artificial intelligence" can replace real professionals in their field - a good sonar and a "wise fox" - the commander of the ship!

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: kepmor

1. The US drone is really about 150 tons with a displacement, BUT it is a "drone", that is. there is no crew. Consequently, huge savings in space - there is no need for a navigating bridge, GKP, navigational wheelhouse, power and survivability post and dozens of combat posts, as well as cabins and cockpits, in the wardroom and dining room, in latrines, corridors and vestibules , in ammunition cellars and many other rooms.

Well, it’s not necessary to have a large ship in order to place a massive hull in a large bow bulb. Now there are conformal hulls that can be placed under the bottom of the ship or from the sides below the waterline. Thus, even small ships can have sonar systems with impressive capabilities.

[kepmor]

I agree with you - you can! But the laws of physics have not been canceled - the larger the area and power of the emitted "body", the greater the range and resolution of detecting an underwater target.
And one more thing - why I treat this American "wunderwaffe" with special distrust.
The true "classification of contact with an underwater target" is not a complex of algorithms that are taught in departments at a school or academy - this is a kind of "witchcraft with palmistry"! Here, like a real hunter, "animal instinct" is necessary!
So all these "anti-submarine drones", today - self-indulgence and another cut of hundreds of millions of dollars!

[igor.borov775]

No need to reveal secrets. Our submariners have gained solid experience. The main thing is not to forget it.

[ametist415]

Such ships are good for anti-submarine service.

Only the submarine, especially the type of Virginia, you will search until you turn blue and you will not find it.
For a submarine, the most dangerous enemy is another submarine.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: ametist415

Such ships are good for anti-submarine service.

Only the submarine, especially the type of Virginia, you will search until you turn blue and you will not find it.
For a submarine, the most dangerous enemy is another submarine.

Americans rely on surface drones, not underwater.
And Virginia can be detected, surface ships usually use active sonars, there are towed antennas, anti-submarine helicopters (anti-submarine aircraft by the way successfully find submarines).
My father, when he served in the 70s on a border ship, lowered a 6-ton MG-339T Shelon to 100 meters under water, then it was turned on and a submarine was discovered, so many NATO submarines were driven in the Mediterranean Sea.

[kepmor]

"Shelon" is certainly a good OGAS, but it is effective only when used as part of a group of ships - KPUG, when one lowered the "Yalda", and the rest are in the wings!
Yes, and here there are a lot of "surprises with surprises" - you need to have a clear hydrological section in temperature and depth, otherwise you can run into the "jump layer" and then you won’t fucking see and hear!
And the mechanism of raising and lowering the antenna itself is painfully capricious, especially when the excitement is more than 3-4 points - the overlap of the main cable on the drum is guaranteed - and this is a complete "kirdyk" - almost complete loss of combat capability for several hours!
Apparently, therefore, OGAS did not take root in the Navy, except on 204 and 1124 projects!

[Dart2027]

These ships are not intended for PLO, in fact they are mobile missile systems - in some way a marine analogue of Iskander.

[Finches]

It is necessary to load, restoring the industry of Crimea with orders - because work and its, most importantly, timely, decent, payment are the best medicine for the Bandera plague, the virus of which was actively imported to the peninsula for more than 50 years of occupation by western raguli!

[siberalt]

Low-budget killer? Slyly conceived. And if the "pack" attack?

[Pirogov]

Quote: siberalt

Low-budget killer? Slyly conceived. And if the "pack" attack? belay

Unfortunately, far from the packs, but the idea is correct.

[ametist415]

Unfortunately, far from the packs, but the idea is correct.

Not right! You can’t attack a plane on it and you won’t run away from it, even with a pack, at least one.

[lelikas]

Quote: ametist415

Not right! You can’t attack a plane on it and you won’t run away from it, even with a pack, at least one

Do not confuse the Black Sea with the Atlantic? Our VKS will cover it from the coast.

[Pirogov]

Quote: ametist415

Unfortunately, far from the packs, but the idea is correct.

Not right! You can’t attack a plane on it and you won’t run away from it, even with a pack, at least one.

So the planes may not take off, didn’t you think about it? An RTO armed with a Caliber with a range of even 1500 km, and do not specify which planes you said there ..........

[stonks]

Previously, they built huge hovercraft.
They went straight to the beach!
The beginning of the construction of the MRK is the revival of military shipbuilding in Feodosia.
Somewhere there, in Soviet times, there was still a testing ground for Kama helicopters ...

[tiredwithall]

For the Black Sea, the very thing, and the amount is suitable.

[igorka357]

And how do you judge the most for the Black Sea RTOs, or not the most? Can I find out?

[Winnie76]

By the number of pluses))))))

[tiredwithall]

In terms of armament and range, it will cover the entire water area, the dimensions are not overkill ..., but you yourself know that. Well, in terms of quantity - a good start has been made, and then the admirals will decide how much and why. And if you are hinting at the great capabilities of cruise missiles, then this is nothing bad for us - we were fucking from the Caspian, and they would easily go from the Black.

[igorka357]

In your opinion, it is generally possible not to build modern ships of the first rank, and in general the Black Sea Fleet can be disbanded, we are shooting the entire World Cup even from the Crimea, why do we need a fleet there then? Do you think the MRK has a chance to survive against a full-fledged destroyer, do not tell my sneakers ! The Americans probably laugh at us when they launch a full-fledged destroyer, and we are MRCs, it's a shame, of course, but the trend is improving! Have you heard the concept of combat potential, or combat stability, for example? In order for RTOs to be effective at sea, they need a cloud , as in the USSR "mosquito fleet" was! If this is the beginning of a large series then great, but if this is a series of two or five MRK .. it's a useless waste!

[Tusv]

Quote: igorka357

Do you really think that the RTOs have a chance to survive against a full-fledged destroyer, don’t tell my sneakers! Americans probably laugh at us when they launch a full-fledged destroyer, and we RTOs,

Probably how Tom laughs at Jerry? Or how will the b-52 pilots laugh at the interception of the thirty-first MiG? And what? That one is also big, but the Mig is small, super fast and with four r-37s

[tiredwithall]

You yourself answered your own question. I share your concern about the small number of the World Cup fleet. I agree, the RTO is inferior to the destroyer. But there are also positive aspects: an RTO of this series is about 800 tons, it is easier to hide it, an RTO itself is much simpler and cheaper than a destroyer, but it bites cool, skipping an RTO is still harder than a destroyer, etc. In addition, I believe that our admirals are literate enough and will not send attack destroyers in the forehead of an MRC.
Well, "In your opinion, it is generally possible not to build modern ships of the first rank," I did not say. We need to build, but let's also take into account that our economy. the potential is much lower than the western one and we cannot yet overcome them directly.

[max2215]

Do you really think the RTOs have a chance to survive against a full-fledged destroyer

it is absolutely all the same against the ship's missile - a destroyer or an aircraft carrier in front, and launches are carried out from over the horizon, target designation is most likely A-50 plus satellites, so we will not measure RTOs with "big boys", another thing is autonomy- These are OVR ships no one will send them to autonomous systems. But to find and destroy such a small, but toothy one is much more difficult than the same destroyer. Although this does not mean that it is necessary to abandon the ships of the ocean group, but apparently, while this is an asymmetric answer, quickly, cheaply, but very angry.

[igorka357]

But who do you think is more likely to bring down anti-ship missiles, the destroyer with its most powerful anti-aircraft defense, or RTOs, with its almost no anti-aircraft defense? And you yourself said anti-ship missiles no matter what purpose, this is about a large and small target, our missile defense it will be the same as the destroyer!

[Viktr458]

Why should they "measure" strength? The destroyer's sole purpose is not to sink the MCR. His task (when it comes to preparing for aggression) is to strike missiles at a couple of dozen targets (targets are not only our ships, including ground ones - we have not enough for his salvo and ships throughout the Black Sea Fleet). But to prevent the destroyer from firing a salvo at the cost of an MCR - why not? If larger ships are impermissibly small in our Navy.
During the passage of NATO ships since Soviet times, they were escorted by ships of a comparable rank throughout the fleets of the USSR. At present, they will have to escort budget ships - but the destroyer will also be scary from this - they do not want to die (the article on the formation of 4 battalions also indicates the strengthening of NATO's presence in the Black Sea)
And to build ships of the 1st rank - the project is being prepared for the destroyer of the ocean zone with the number of missiles comparable with the American destroyer. Only a budget option appears again: they wanted to put an atomic reactor, but ... we put turbines - it means that the displacement will also be less and will not catch up with the American missiles (but maybe it’s not necessary to catch

[Tusv]

Quote: igorka357

Do you really think the RTOs have a chance to survive against a full-fledged destroyer

Well, if it’s minus, then it’s more intelligible. The destroyer certainly impresses. Garpunov and Tomahawks are not measured. But! What are the chances of surviving after meeting with a spider? Same as the B-52 with a meeting with the T-50. So conceived. He is a sea fighter. Fast, maneuverable, inconspicuous, with a good detection station and with very decent long-range weapons

[igorka357]

And Burke has the most powerful air defense, and much more combat potential, and even much better radar, and according to experts, including ours, this is the best destroyer in history, and the most numerous series! What do you compare aviation and navy, completely different environments and principles of the battle! A small salvo of anti-ship missiles from our missile defense system, their destroyer can also bring down its powerful air defense, but our missile defense system can’t do anything with a salvo of their destroyer! And if the B-52 has specialized weapons and detection equipment, then the T-50 will have a good chance to bite its nose, here whose missiles will be long-range, and who will be the first to find someone .. and we unfortunately lag behind them in this ! Therefore you judge one-sidedly!

[KaPToC]

The caliber may knock, but the onyx is not.

[LastLap]

Quote: igorka357

In your opinion, it is generally possible not to build modern ships of the first rank, and in general the Black Sea Fleet can be disbanded, we are shooting the entire World Cup even from the Crimea, why do we need a fleet there then? Do you think the MRK has a chance to survive against a full-fledged destroyer, do not tell my sneakers ! The Americans probably laugh at us when they launch a full-fledged destroyer, and we are MRCs, it's a shame, of course, but the trend is improving! Have you heard the concept of combat potential, or combat stability, for example? In order for RTOs to be effective at sea, they need a cloud , as in the USSR "mosquito fleet" was! If this is the beginning of a large series then great, but if this is a series of two or five MRK .. it's a useless waste!

I think they don’t laugh, but grind their teeth. Since, if the trough for the okhulion, the okhuliards fill up three or four at a rupee twenty - these are tears. And the trough is difficult to replace Pts, this is not a soap box. By the way, our colleagues have the concept of unacceptable losses. Therefore, in my opinion, what we do on the Black Sea coast is the right step to send harlyusha to the battle economically unreasonable, and it’s unacceptable to drown him in the Black Sea coast — and shame and disgrace turn out.

[Tusv]

Quote: LastLap

By the way, our colleagues have the concept of unacceptable losses.

By the way, the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, after being bitten by two such Karakurts, has more chances to survive than the Burke type destroyer, but mathematically, they still tend to zero

[igorka357]

But you don’t understand, they have much more of these troughs for an okhulion than we have the same modern RTOs! There are as many as 62 pieces of americos in Berkos, it’s very sad!

[HK416]

yes this is the killer Zamvoltov

[igor.borov775]

There is a unique small robber. Bora is called in vain that this project was abandoned and the possibilities with new systems are very interesting. By the way, about invisibility, they have their own secret.

[Denis Obukhov]

Great news for the fleet, soon their ranks will be replenished with a missile ship. Crimea is developing intensively, including its production, and here is the top proof. What was collapsed while in Ukraine is being restored.

[KaPToC]

Such ships must be put into operation twenty pieces a year, otherwise you won’t look at our buoys without tears, we launch one at a time.

[Mountain shooter]

Another "Calibrated", seaworthy and quite autonomous. The artillery "weaving" is very impressive. True, the complete absence of PLO (or is it declared? Like a big surprise).

[Dimon19661]

And judging by the MR-123 drawing, were you impressed too?

[Wiruz]

So this is an RTO, there is a PLO, as it were, and not really necessary. He, alone, will not depart far from his native coast. Now, if in the squadron, then yes. But there will be ships with PLO in any way.

[Red_Hamer]

This is just "the first Crimean swallow", it all starts small! We will wait! I think a trial measure, we'll see.

[Wiruz]

And on it it’s not like weaving, but 76mm

[Tusv]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

True, the complete absence of PLO (or is it so declared? Like a big surprise).

Well, since the NK Caliber will stand on them, then they will not forget to put 91P1 and 91RT2 in the kit

[spravochnik]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Mountain Shooter

True, the complete absence of PLO (or is it so declared? Like a big surprise).

Well, since the NK Caliber will stand on them, then they will not forget to put 91P1 and 91RT2 in the kit

For their use, more means of detection and guidance are needed.

[Wiruz]

Well, since the NK Caliber will be on them, then they will not forget to put Phi in the set 91P1 and 91PT2

Well, firstly: what is the use of anti-submarine missiles on a small missile, if there are no means of detecting submarines on it? Secondly: 91P1 is like PLUR for submarines. Surface ships are armed with 91RT2

[Tusv]

Quote: Wiruz

if there are no means of detecting submarines on it

A complete lack of it will not be true. It can drive away and leave. And for the destruction we have system ships

[KaPToC]

And he will be given target designation by corvettes or frigates. Such RTOs must have several pieces for each corvette and frigate. He lowered the corvette, and to it three RTOs, lowered the frigate, to it six RTOs, well, to strengthen the supply fleet proportionally.

[Dart2027]

Quote: KaPToC

Such RTOs must have several pieces for each corvette and frigate.

Well, this is already too much.

[Genry]

Several dogs can work for each shepherd.

[Dart2027]

RTOs are ships of the near sea zone, but essentially sea-based missile systems. Corvettes and frigates are already a distant sea zone and their capabilities are much higher.

[Genry]

Several dogs can work for each shepherd.

[Lester7777]

Great, I swear on my cocked hat! But all the same, ships of the ocean zone are needed.

[weksha50]

Quote: Lester7777

Great, I swear on my cocked hat! But all the same, ships of the ocean zone are needed.

The great Russian fleet began with Peter's small boat ...

[demiurg]

He would have GUS, and at least a package of NK. And one broadsword. Except 1134b for me, all ships are unarmed
In general, there are good ships, and their number will be good, 18.

[Wiruz]

So in your opinion it turns out, do you need to build anything other than a frigate / destroyer?
I know one comrade from another forum that suggested putting small rockets on Granites

[NordUral]

I agree with you, but not yet pull such. And the format is different. We were able to stick into one volume of weapons in two volumes. Americans then gritted their teeth.
But for now, even small boats with a larger number will solve the defense problem, which is what we need, we are not aggressors.

[NordUral]

I forgot to insert a picture.

[alexmach]

They solve it only partially. Needless to say, this is better than nothing, and as a first step in building a fleet will do. The main thing is that he would not be the last.
And so - you need a series of modern frigates + multi-purpose submarines

[11 black]

Quote: Wiruz

So in your opinion it turns out, do you need to build anything other than a frigate / destroyer?
I know one comrade, from another forum, which proposed to put laughing on small rocket Granites

Quote: alexmach

I agree with you, but not yet pull such. And the format is different. We were able to stick into one volume of weapons in two volumes. Americans then gritted their teeth.
But for now, even small boats with a larger number will solve the defense problem, which is what we need, we are not aggressors.

Listen, dear interlocutors - this is the opinion: if you build an ocean fleet, then so that you could resist the US fleet, otherwise there is no sense in it - why build a fleet doomed to defeat? And that means huge, very large costs - the question is, but is it worth it?
But isn’t it easier to develop long-distance maritime aviation - the future is thought for it.
Because even AUG is not able to repel an attack of three or four groups of missile carriers with hypersonic missiles (in each group there are no more than 4 vehicles), what can we say about fleets without AUG - supersonic missile carriers will tear them to shreds, gobble up and not spit out buttons - a good asymmetric the answer can be made without investing tens of trillions in the pursuit of the Jankers.
Aviation is capable of operating both over the sea and over land against any enemy, has an almost instant "reaction time", and the range of the same TU-160 of 14000 km allows you to control most of the world's oceans - then why do we need huge ships?

[Arktidianets]

Theodosians with an initiative!

[NordUral]

Not a very good view. Found more informative.http: //bastion-karpenko.ru/22800-mrk/

[Wiruz]

By the way, on the stowage boards of the "Hurricane" and "Typhoon", instead of the Broadsword / Shell there was / stood AK-630

[donavi49]

Only there is no Broadsword / Shell. AK-630M and even Bending were not on the board, that is, even complacency as on Zelenodolsky 21631, on the topic of fending off a single helicopter / plane / old RCC - no.

By the way, at the Black Sea Fleet and CFL, 21631 avenue is coming from Zeleny Dol, and now there will be 22800. That is, 2 of different types of ships (different power plants, different hulls, different architecture, different saturations) of the same purpose with one main complex.

For the Baltic Sea, and even for the Pacific Fleet / Northern Fleet, speed and improved seaworthiness are still significant, in fact, the main reason why they left the old project (the main building in 2001 was laid on Vympel, the money ran out, it was already taken apart). And remade under UKKS.

[Wiruz]

AK-630M and even Bending were not on the board

Take a closer look

[Wiruz]

No, MRCs are of course needed by the fleet. But I’m wondering why for the Black Sea Fleet, pr.20380 corvettes are not being built. There you and PLO, and air defense, and RCC. And you can shove the gauges if you try.
By the way, someone stuttered that the corvette "Sharp", which will be laid down in the summer at the Amur Shipbuilding, will also be armed with calibers. Although it will refer to Project 20380, not Project 20385. Nobody will bring clarity?

[Haloperidol]

A versatile missile corvette Agile is being built for the Black Sea Fleet, but it also bothers me that there is only one ... I am for universal corvettes and frigates, and these RTOs are targets for Turkish submarines.

[Botanologist]

Quote: Wiruz

But I’m wondering why for the Black Sea Fleet, the 20380 avengers are not being built.

What will 20380 do in the Black Sea? His autonomy is not so hot, the engine is constantly floundering, the gas ducts are on fire, the air defense is not what they wanted .... In short, you won’t send it to Middle Earth. And to crawl along the Black Sea he is not needed. There is either an MRC, if it's quiet, or you can raise the cruiser.

[alexmach]

Because they are expensive and not universal. Air defense is weak.

And there are no engines for them. Just recently, an article was on the topic that for the Thundering some kind of import substitution was invented in Kolomna ... but they also need to be further developed

[kostya-petrov]

A bad weather division is forming !!!!
The first "Storm" was built by the way, too, on the Black Sea and for the Black Sea Fleet!
There are many more good names:
1. "Hurricane"
2. "Typhoon"
3. "Tornado"
4. "Cyclone"
5. "Thunderstorm"
6. "Whirlwind"
7. "Storm"
8. "Flurry"

[Wiruz]

9. "Bora"
10. "Samum"
After their withdrawal from the fleet

[Raoul Wallenberg]

There are more good names.
Poverty
Unemployment
Theft
offshore
You can also make personalized
Roldugin
Rothenberg
Sechin
Timchenko
Chubais
there are still great people of our era whose names can be called ships.

[Evgeny RS]

there has always been both good and bad, and will be ...

[Winter cherry]

What are the suggestions? Immediately surrender am or you choose for president?

[Tu-214R]

9. Buran
10. Calm

[Uncle lee]

11. "Blizzard"
12. "Blizzard"
13. "Thrombus"
14 "Tornado"
15 "Bad weather"
16 "Fog"
17 "Drizzle"
18 "Hoarfrost"
19 "Slush"
20 "Off-road"

Probably enough ...

[Tu-214R]

I also thought about the fog, but did not specifically indicate the tornado's foreign names.

[Wiruz]

19 "Slush"
20 "Off-road"

21. "Potholes"

[EvgNik]

But, of course, but, of course,
If you are so lazy,
If you're so shy,
Sit at home, do not walk.
You do not need anything to do,
Slopes, mountains, mountains,
Bueraki, rivers, crayfish.
Hands, legs, take care!

Song of Little Red Riding Hood, Rybnikov.

But seriously, it's good that they are building. It would be worse if cut. We have already gone through this.

[NDR-791]

“Earlier, two RTOs of project 22800 with the names Uragan and Typhoon were laid down at the Pella shipyard in St. Petersburg and are in the process of being built.”
And then there is the one in the photo for the article! And is he the only one so "experienced"? We are building, not even slowly. And you will have to cut a lot of things, but already thinking with your head, and not with your "family wallet"!

[Uncle lee]

Quote: EvgNik

good to build.

And we’ll come up with the names, it won’t rust behind us!

[Neputin]

All this has been discussed many times. And the need to build ships of the ocean zone (which in 10-15 years simply will not remain) and much more. It is necessary to separate the flies from the cutlets. If you position such boats as water carriers of cruise missiles, then its purpose is to walk in the coastal zone and shoot at external target designation. If you position it as a small corvette for the protection of the water area, then it's worthless. There is no air defense, no PLO, not a single decent frigate or destroyer will allow it to reach the range of an onyx missile shot. So ... chase the poachers. Even the pirates will not work - he will not reach the Gulf of Aden, there will not be enough autonomy. Conclusion one rivet so far that they can. Or maybe a little. That's the whole story ...

[ametist415]

then its purpose is to walk in the coastal zone and bullet according to external target designation.

External guidance can be eliminated by aviation or missiles.

it’s worthless

The Americans know this, and therefore do not build rocket motors.

[demiurg]

Quote: Wiruz

So in your opinion it turns out, do you need to build anything other than a frigate / destroyer?
I know one comrade from another forum that suggested putting small rockets on Granites

At a smaller displacement, Project 1234 carried 6 hefty mosquitoes, plus 1 * 76mm and 1 * 6 30 mm, and an OSA. And all this was at 730 tons. So it’s quite possible to put 130 Shelons of additional displacement, of course, not Shelon, well, although Argun or its modern analogue. Plus Package. Well, a little squeezed. overload is another broadsword.
I can not stop, rushing me

[spravochnik]

Quote: demiurg

At a smaller displacement, Project 1234 carried 6 hefty mosquitoes, plus 1 * 76mm and 1 * 6 30 mm, and an OSA. And all this was at 730 tons. So it’s quite possible to put 130 Shelons of additional displacement, of course, not Shelon, well, although Argun or its modern analogue. Plus Package. Well, a little squeezed. overload is another broadsword.
I can not stop, rushing me

The MRK pr.1234 never carried Mosquitoes, it was equipped with the P-120 Malachite complex. "Mosquitoes" are on "Samum" and "Bor". These are the RTOs that had to be built: replace Mosquitoes with Onyx, Wasp with a naval version of Torah, AK-630 with Duets, put a single propulsion system based on water cannons, and that would be the very thing. And the new RTO is a more modern reincarnation of "Lightning".

[ametist415]

RTOs are a dead end, you cannot go far into the sea, and they are drowned in the base or near it with the help of aviation.

[HK416]

yes how so, it's the Zamvoltov killers

[yahont]

In any case, the news is good, on the one hand, the Black Sea Fleet is renewed, on the other hand, the revival of the Sea Shipyard in Feodosia, whatever you say, these are jobs. Over time, I think the plant will be released for other orders.

[demiurg]

Quote: spravochnik

The MRK pr.1234 never carried Mosquitoes, it was equipped with the P-120 Malachite complex. "Mosquitoes" are on "Samum" and "Bor". From such RTOs, and it was necessary to build: replace "Mosquitoes" with "Onyx", "Wasp" with a naval version of "Thor", AK-630 with "Duets", put a single propulsion system based on water cannons and that would be the very thing. And the new RTO is a more modern reincarnation of "Lightning".

Similarly, P-120: ((As usual, I sat in a puddle. But there were 12 onyxes on Nakat.
Many dream of the marine version of the Torah. The dagger is too hefty.
And all the same, on a ship with a displacement of 800 tons it is not serious to manage without a gas. At least for self-defense.

[spravochnik]

Quote: demiurg

Many dream of the marine version of the Torah. The dagger is too hefty.

And what to dream, the project already exists, was demonstrated at the naval salon.

[donavi49]

Well, here is the second factory, after Pella. We are waiting for bookmarks at Yantar this year!

In armament, there:
weaving, 2 AK-630M, UKSK-8, 2 MTPU. Perhaps Gibka was not conditionally designated yet, otherwise it will be completely toothless, even from a single helicopter / airplane with NARs and cast iron.

[spravochnik]

Well, here is the second factory, after Pella. We are waiting for bookmarks at Yantar this year!

To build such a trifle on "Yantar" ...

[demiurg]

Quote: spravochnik

Quote: demiurg

Many dream of the marine version of the Torah. The dagger is too hefty.

And what to dream, the project already exists, was demonstrated at the naval salon.

Chu, while it is being mounted on something, they will conduct tests, at least two or three years. And only then into production, another two years.

[Tusv]

Quote: demiurg

And only then into production, another two years.

So this is the third ship of this spider-natural series in production

[Verdun]

A new generation missile boat will be built in Feodosia

As there is not enough Nikolaev shipbuilding ... Boats and frigates, they, of course, are needed. In the Black Sea, they feel good. But for the Mediterranean you need something larger.

[ametist415]

If war, then all these motorboats are drowned by aircraft, only then will the enemy fleet come up. We begin to build something too many different types of motorboats in small series, this will complicate the implementation of various tasks for the fleet. Something is wrong here!

[Zomanus]

Normal boat. And Svidomo with the Turks to drive and a pack of Earley Burke to the bottom ...
And again, as is rightly noted here, this is a platform for cruise missiles.
That is, you can get Caliber not only from the Caspian.
And NATO flotillas lose their meaning in such situations.
And what about the air defense, so the Calm module is directly asked there.
Although it is possible to come up with an installation based on the "Verba".

[donavi49]

The Shtil module will drown him, this is a frigate complex, he will pull in / out a good 1 / 8 part, because you need to screw the Frigate-M radar, the mines themselves even on 12 missiles, plus posts.

Unlike the United States and China already, there is simply nothing to put on small ships.

Bending is essentially a stabilized MANPADS post, with SLA.
All that is more, already requires large volumes of deck space, or corny weighs a lot / large volume.

Domestic RIM-116 on V-V missiles is still not enough.

[HK416]

take higher, which Airlie Burke, Zamvoly will packs will sink

[Vasili09]

will soon be a little patience and be reborn

[Raoul Wallenberg]

The main thing is that there would be enough money for completion. Although, of course, if pensions are cut off from pensioners and salaries from state employees are squeezed, then of course there will be enough money. The question is also what engines will stand on it?

[siberalt]

Pensions will not be cut. They are already melting. But they will add half the inflation value.

[Evgeny RS]

here it would be better if the ruble exchange rate came to 60, pensioners will benefit more than from a miserable increase. I think so.

[von_Tilsit]

Yes, obviously not yours, from Ukraine))

[Haloperidol]

The RTOs do not have anti-submarine weapons, and their air defense systems are primitive. These ships can accompany the frigate or corvette and strengthen their salvo, but they cannot operate independently. Turkey has 14 submarines, against which RTOs are defenseless. Russia needs to build more universal corvettes and frigates, which can fight not only with surface and coastal targets, but also with submarines and enemy aircraft.

[Tusv]

Quote: Haloperidol

Turkey has 14 submarines, against which RTOs are defenseless.

This is not a fact. At one time, in the Second World War, a pair of RSs were put up for attack on the contrary. I must say, it turned out quite efficiently. Did not hit the face of Messer, so the enemy was substituted under escort fighters. I saved ammunition, so I hit the target goodbye. Well, I do not believe in the lack of sonars on board

[Dimon19661]

Bullshit ... you would still remember the Stone Age.

[Neko75]

Quote: Haloperidol

The RTOs do not have anti-submarine weapons, and their air defense systems are primitive. These ships can accompany the frigate or corvette and strengthen their salvo, but they will not be able to operate independently.

But it just might. Frigates and RTOs have different functions. Did not hear about the concept of RTOs? They are created not for long trips, but for the protection of the coastal zone. Having such high-speed small vessels is much more profitable both from an economic point of view and more effective from the point of view of combat use. From long distances, the ship is practically invisible, and electronic warfare systems work effectively at close range. Nowhere is it mentioned about powerful electronic warfare systems that make air strikes and from ships practically useless? About hypersonic anti-ship missiles with a radius of 600km it’s also not customary to write, like there are, like they are being tested. These are not strike ships, although if you load the Gauges, then they can also make local strikes.

[Verdun]

To have such high-speed small vessels is much more profitable both from an economic point of view and more effective from the point of view of combat use.

The fact that today our MO, which is called "stretches the legs for clothes," is obvious. But the ability of MRK forces to independently, without the support of third-party guidance systems, withstand large-tonnage warships, is still questionable. If only because it is impossible to place a powerful AWACS on them. And it's not at all about the size of the radar complexes, but about the fact that they need a serious energy supply for their work. Roughly speaking, powerful autonomous power plants and fuel for the entire duration of their operation.

[Neko75]

Gentlemen, you forget that contactless air defense systems in Russia are given special attention.
An electronic umbrella, like other electronic warfare systems - acting on the guidance systems of warheads, missiles and other smart weapons, the equipment disorients them, incapacitates them or leads them away from the target.

[biron]

Quote: dyksi

That you are comparing missile boats with destroyers, it’s not even funny and still minus the person who says sensible things? Do you want to take these boats out to the Pacific or Atlantic Ocean? These are coastal ships. Compare the salvoes of the fleets, for destroyers it is up to 80 missiles (each, depending on the tasks), what volley our boats and patrol boats have, two, three dozen, versus several hundred (if there are several destroyers), roughly count how many missiles with each the parties will be intercepted and draw your own conclusions. They will be located in the Mediterranean Sea, as well as in Odessa and the ports of Georgia, they will seal the Bosphorus, several AUGs, a couple of Ohio ships in the Mediterranean Sea join the action (they have three hundred "axes" for two. How much air defense will you need to Our "Caliber" fired at stationary targets of militants who have no air defense, and not at destroyers with mattresses on the yards. In aviation, they have a huge (numerical) superiority, and these aircraft are not sour strike weapons. zones of a unit and those need re-equipment, no one has been involved in the development of destroyers and full-fledged frigates, there is not even R&D, so we are forced to build boats and call them frigates, but they don’t become them because of this. long-term construction of full-fledged ships of the far sea zone. but (in fact) no one can resist them (the Union could, but it is not and the fleet is cut). By the way, I looked at the forums about a brand new Soviet underdevelopment, which was sent to the place where the entire ocean fleet was sent, I will say in vain, the state is excellent, you could stuff it with anything, there were only brand new hulls. Tsar Peter was building a mosquito fleet, since the Swedes pressed us, but he immediately developed the construction of ships of a heavy class, he himself studied this business. There are no powers without a strong navy, this is the primary argument that everyone has to reckon with (the forces of nuclear deterrence do not count).

Why do we need large ships if a small fleet can successfully replace it, and this was proved by calibers.

[Verdun]

Why do we need large ships if a small fleet can successfully replace it, and this was proved by calibers.

There was such a man - Adolf Hitler. After several failures during the combat use of large ships, Kriegsmarin seriously reduced the allocation for the construction of the ocean fleet, saying that large ships were of little use, but they were too expensive. As a result, German troops were never able to cross the English Channel and land in Britain. And this despite the fact that the English Channel is not a very wide strait.

[Lucy]

biron (5
Why do we need big carls if a small fleet can successfully replace it, and this has been perfectly proved by calibers.

What did the calibers prove? Shooting at given coordinates? So it’s easier not to where than to find and get into a maneuvering ship!

[turcom]

Quote: Dimon19661

The fact of the matter is that it is very light. The US fleet will not even notice it.

And so it is necessary that they do not notice. And how to hit. It will be too late to notice.

[turcom]

U.S. warships seemed to accidentally find themselves in dangerously close to the Russian sovereign waters border in the Black Sea several times. So, on April 27, two F-22 Raptor fighters landed in Romania. In addition, it became known today that the NATO leadership is considering the formation of rotation forces in the Baltic countries, and possibly in Poland to “deter Russian aggression”. However, Russia still has not taken any hostile steps against the states that are part of the bloc.
Can deploy the same RTOs, but only with Iskander in Cuba, in rotation?

[samoletil18]

Judging by the increase in the number of RTOs, we are definitely not going to attack anyone. But what is confusing, there are too many different projects. Although, if there is a search for the optimal, then the meaning of the current state of affairs is. The best will be chosen, and the personnel in shipbuilding should not sit without work. In any case, as they go into operation, the "partners" with compasses will have to measure the radius of 1500 km, comparing it with the radius of destruction of our air defense / missile defense.

[Sultan Babai]

I agree that a ship with a displacement of 800 tons with 8 calibers, in fact, will no longer be able to take on board more anti-aircraft missiles. Probably it would be possible to place full-fledged air defense missiles (such as in the Calm-1 complex), of course, however, air defense missiles are not only missiles, but also radar (lighting, target illumination), information processing equipment and much more - all this has very impressive weight. As in a conversation, the chief specialist of the Krylovsky Institute said that for 1 ton of equipment, approximately an additional 10 tons of metal are needed (meaning the weight of the case). So the main task of this RTO is to quickly enter the range of its strike complex and also quickly try to get out of the attack. It is a pity that while we are building new corals no more than 4500 tons. Destroyers (10 tons) would not be in the way. Wait and see...

[Papandopulo]

Better than 10 times in 1600 than one in 16000 and can be thrown between 3 seas along the rivers.

[Denimax]

A boat weighing 800 tons is unlikely to be called a mosquito. In my opinion, the mosquito should be about 100 tons, the crew of 10 people. a pair of Gauges in horizontal installations, launch from carts like a missile torpedo, air defense module from the Shell. But the main defense of air defense is a smoke screen, only cooler than that of tanks. And of course, the Stealth hull, I think the inclined surfaces will reflect the radar only from the ships, for the plane they will be at right angles. Therefore, you can put movable shields to change the angle of reflection.

[HK416]

and another nuclear ICBM to strike at the White House

[Lucy]

Quote: marlin1203

On the Black Sea "mosquito fleet" is the most. What are the cruisers to do there? From the Crimea, almost the entire sea is "shot through", not to mention the Black Sea Fleet aviation.

Yes, about the Black Sea Fleet aviation (SU-24mr) it is better to keep silent.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: lusya

Yes, about the Black Sea Fleet aviation (SU-24mr) it is better to keep silent.

EMNIP, after the transition of Crimea to the Russian Federation and the rejection of contractual restrictions, the Air Force of the Black Sea Fleet went new cars - 43 Omshap received Su-30SM.

In addition, do not forget that in the Crimea, in addition to the Black Sea Fleet, there is also a VKS connection - 27 smad:

The mixed aviation division, which is armed with Su-27 and Su-30 fighters, has combat duty in the Crimea, Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev confirmed to the Air Force Commander of Russia on April 30, 2015. According to Bondarev, in addition to the Su-27 and Su-30, the air division has Su-25 attack aircraft, it also includes a helicopter regiment stationed in Dzhankoy.

Source: http://nevskii-bastion.ru/27-air-division/ MTC "NEVSKY BASTION" AVKarpenko

[ametist415]

If in a big way, then Russia is a raw materials appendage of the West and the USA. Oil tankers are constantly traveling from Novoros, today the news flashed that we would sell fresh water to China, cut down wood, fly chips. Soon we will destroy nature, it will not forgive this for the filthy Russians of Russia. Americans can make these boats protect US interests. While the Russians admire how we deceived the Americans that such a small boat would be torn up by the US destroyer, they fools spend so much money on large ships, at this time resources go under the nose in a barbaric way. Nature will not remain in debt.
For example, such comrades constantly go to Novoros. The Government of the Russian Federation will protect the sea roads in the Black Sea in the interests of the United States. Global politics, how do they do that?

[dgiguli1962]

What are you missing here?

[HK416]

Why not write about the unification of a genetically fair people under the banners of United Russia? This is more important than any money.

[rzaruba]

Exactly, an appendage. We even sell rocket engines to Americans ...

[Kudrevkn]

Of course, no one is going to fight the Tan, but has anyone canceled SO Makarov's behest ("Remember the war!")? However, how is it in Russian - to revive the military shipbuilding in the Crimea and destroy everything in the Far East? I mean the Khabarovsk Shipyard and Dalzavod turned into trash! Indeed, "We will destroy the whole world of violence to the ground, and then ...."

[Engineer]

When ships begin to build, not boats

[Hariton laptev]

For all discussions of firepower and will be able to fill up the hog or not be able to miss one of the most important and probably the most important news, We again begin to build ships on the Black Sea. Yes, we start small, but personnel have been lost over so many years. What would you need to build experience, and to gain it on small ships (oceans) is the most. So good luck shipbuilders.

[Evgeny RS]

In 1944, a funny naval battle took place, in which a German destroyer made a bunch of armored boats and torpedo boats.

[gorunov]

I wonder what his EPR will be in comparison with Zumvalt. If Zumvalt is visible on radars as a boat, ours should not be visible at all (with similar EPR values)

[Wiruz]

If Zumvalt is visible on radars as a boat, ours should not be visible at all (with similar EPR values)

He himself said that he understood ?! If the EPR of Zamvolt and our RTOs are the same (which is doubtful), then their visibility on the radars will be the same.

[gorunov]

had in mind the EPR coefficient so to speak per linear meter of the ship (or per ton of displacement)

[gorunov]

I wonder how many hummingbirds he can carry on board.
Given that the “Buyan-M” displacement (949 tons) is armed with a vertical launcher of the 3R-14UKSK complex for 8 anti-ship missiles, there will be the same (800 tons)

[rzaruba]

Why does half of the people call this ship a "boat" ??? Maybe then let's call it a rocket motor boat? Boats (ROCKET, TORPED, ARTILLERY whatever) - have a displacement of up to 500 tons and belong to ships of rank 4.
Anything over 500 tons of displacement is ships. Displacement from 500 to 1500 tons - can be attributed to patrol ships of rank 3, ships of the near sea zone. According to the NATO classification, MRK (small missile ships) are already classified as corvettes. Ships with a displacement of 1500 to 5000 tons - as a rule, belong to ships of rank 2 (for example, corvettes of project 20380), ships of the near sea zone. Over 5000 tons - a ship of the 1st rank (for example "Admiral Chabanenko") - these will already be frigates, ships of the far sea zone. (although the Admiral of the Fleet Gorshkov seems to be only 4500 tons ..) Well, something like that.
Or am I wrong? Write please.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: rzaruba

Why does half of the people call this ship a "boat" ???

Probably because this half did not read an article that says in black and white:
Small Rocket Ship (RTO) the new generation of project 22800 will be laid at the shipyard "More" in Feodosia on May 10. By the order of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, the ship was named "Storm". Representatives of the Main Command of the Russian Navy will take part in the laying ceremony
In addition, probably people are not aware that in our Navy there is an intermediate stage (500-900 tons of displacement) between a missile boat and a corvette - a small missile ship.

[friend of animals]

These "new generations" are moving faster than the real ones.

[Aandrewsir]

Doubly good news. And the Fleet has grown and a good enterprise from the Crimea is working.

[Dubasof]

Not enough for our power ....

[Kudrevkn]

A program for the development of the Far East in 1 trillion rubles for the construction of 200 factories! Today it is necessary to recreate 3 brigades of the OVR (Primorskaya, Sakhalinskaya and Kurilskaya), including including MRK, TFR, minesweepers, etc. To fulfill the rearmament program, it is urgently required to restore the Far Eastern shipbuilding capacities in addition to K - on - Amur and Zvezda (B. Kamen). So this project should be serialized as 1241 or 1135 as a "workhorse" for our Navy? Gentlemen, I ask you to express your opinion on this issue!

[Lucy]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: lusya

Yes, about the Black Sea Fleet aviation (SU-24mr) it is better to keep silent.

EMNIP, after the transition of Crimea to the Russian Federation and the rejection of contractual restrictions, the Air Force of the Black Sea Fleet went new cars - 43 Omshap received Su-30SM.

In addition, do not forget that in the Crimea, in addition to the Black Sea Fleet, there is also a VKS connection - 27 smad:

The mixed aviation division, which is armed with Su-27 and Su-30 fighters, has combat duty in the Crimea, Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev confirmed to the Air Force Commander of Russia on April 30, 2015. According to Bondarev, in addition to the Su-27 and Su-30, the air division has Su-25 attack aircraft, it also includes a helicopter regiment stationed in Dzhankoy.

Source: http://nevskii-bastion.ru/27-air-division/ MTC "NEVSKY BASTION" AVKarpenko

Squint down from heaven.
While you can scare a hedgehog naked booty. One Saka squadron. of 8 aircraft, in the absence of practical launches (crew training) X-31.
At the time of Turkey's weary fleet (NATO), the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR Navy included 2 mrad, with serious X-22s.

In the meantime, children's games for brainwashing the people are sending the "dove of peace" Su-24mr, not the Su-30cm, even without a suspension.

[Kudrevkn]

In his previous commentary instead of MRK pr.1234 indicated pr.1241, for which I apologize! However, I would like to remind you that at the Khabarovsk Shipyard (now deceased), 10 MRK pr. 28 were built in 1234 years, including the MRK "Monsoon" tragically killed in 1987 - the best KTOF ship! I sincerely believe that the new IRAs of pr.22800 are capable of making the Sea of ​​Japan an "internal Russian" if their production is put on a conveyor belt, and not produced by handicraft - a single "nest" method? "Close the sea" means to carry out an echeloned blockade of the defense of the water area - ahead of "light cavalry" from MRK and corvettes, the middle line of larger ships - destroyers and frigates, then cruisers and heavy cruisers, including AB! Naturally, additional forces and means (air defense, PLO, PMO, PDSS, missile defense, etc., including submarines, SA, aircraft, etc.). Mineralization of the strait zones, patrolling the coast (patrol, attack on the enemy, protection of their own forces and means, etc. This is what the "implementation of BZ" by these ships in peacetime and wartime consists in !!!