Military Review

Voice of allies

307
Here and soyuznichki sang. There was a cry of the soul of "the famous Kazakhstani scientist, historian" Azimbay Gali. This distinguished historian is demanding recognition of the Kazakh genocide by Russia. Nothing like? “This year marks one hundred years since the day of the national liberation uprising in Kazakhstan. I, as the son of the Kazakh people, demand financial compensation for the death of the ancestors who died during the uprising. I believe that the suppression of the 1916 uprising of the year was the beginning of the genocide of the Kazakhs, which continued in the 1930-32 years, when 2 of a million Kazakhs died as a result of the artificially created famine. At the end of the Second World War, nuclear tests were conducted on our land. Is this not a continuation of the genocide? The Kazakhs were not allowed into the cities - I personally was able to get a city registration only after Kazakhstan gained independence, ”


In this regard, A. Gali demands to oblige Russia to recognize the genocide against the Kazakhs.

“Russia should be obliged to recognize the genocide against the Kazakhs, to adopt a special law, as Jews and Armenians did, to build a memorial in memory of the victims of the genocide,” the scientist said.

At the same time, he asks the world community to pay attention to the fact of the genocide of the Kazakhs.

The national liberation uprising of 1916 of the year is a general popular uprising in Kazakhstan against the royal decree of 25 of June of 1916 of the year to mobilize into the army for the rear works of the “foreign” male population of Kazakhstan, Central Asia and partially Siberia from the age of 19 to 43.

The uprising was brutally crushed five months after it began.

This opus is posted on 7news.kz. Anyone can read it and reviews and understand how much we can count on the support of the allies.

I have a question for this scientist: why do you not demand that the period of the war 1941-45 be recognized as the genocide of the Kazakh people? After all, the Kazakhs, too, were drafted into the army, they carried on their shoulders war, giving up livestock to the needs of the army, someone worked in factories. You seem to be a scientist, you should study the development of the state system and, accordingly, understand that in a war, rebellion within the state, not cruelly suppressed in the bud, a priori leads to the collapse of this state, which actually ended. What is the genocide here? You refused to fulfill the duty to the Motherland in a difficult period, for which you paid. Of course, you do not consider the Russian Empire its homeland. Then vassal duty: you also did not fulfill it. So why didn't you have to be punished? All this time you lived carelessly in the open spaces of the steppe under the protection of the Russian army and the authority of the empire, which was enough so that no one could even think about offending you. And here came the moment to give back the debt, and you thought that you were freed from it, and at the most difficult moment.

You are talking about nuclear tests, but weren’t there in Russia? The new land, the Totsky range, the whole of the Urals, filled with chemical. repositories that poison the soil and water, and how many there were man-made disasters, you do not know? Apparently, the USSR still invented the perfect weapon, selective and, at the same time, atomic, or will the Russians living in East Kazakhstania also receive compensation? Or does it only affect the Kazakhs? Or is it just convenient for you? You say the Kazakhs were not allowed into the cities. Is it only the Kazakhs? Do not be cunning, you know perfectly well that the villages of Russian, Mordovians, the same Kalmyks, and not to list them all, have not been released simply, without issuing passports, and this is known to all.

Speak about atomic tests, but the fact that you were left behind from this, Kurchatov is a glorious town, it doesn’t mean that you couldn’t keep the specialists, now you are rebuilding it, and the factories that you currently have money for and whether it’s shaky to support your science? So ask Russia to take out the entire metallurgical and mining industry that it built, let it drive bulldozers at its own expense and ruin all the cities that bother you. People who raised virgin soil in this way also have the right to various kinds of compensation. Who owes them? In this case, the current Kazakhstan? THE USSR? Or Russia again? However, here you immediately say that it was not only the Russians who lived and worked in the union, built communism ... You don’t remember about the times of the empire. Forgive me, but I do not consider you a historian. You're using historical events for the sake of their mercantile, political goals and are not objective. It’s not even insult that speaks to you, not worries about your people, but a desire to become famous, to attract the attention of the public, pure PR, and this is an unprofessional approach. Moreover, through your actions, you are inciting ethnic hatred, which has recently begun to roll over. And most importantly, you are trying to drive a wedge into the relations of two states. Your crazy idea has caught your eyes to such an extent that you, a historian, cannot understand that Russia is your neighbor, and if you quarrel with it, you will only make yourself worse. We are very much tied to each other both economically and politically, I am not talking about interethnic relations. You dump all your lack of professionalism, emotions in the media, thereby provoking people to even bigger squabbles. Are you aware that the number of people leaving Kazakhstan is growing? And it is worth saying that these are not only Russians, a lot of the same Kazakhs are fleeing from here. And for some reason they are fleeing to Russia! In this hated by you, enslaving, oppressing state to all!

And now the question to us is with you: how long will we tolerate such an attitude to us? Well, from hostile states, they do not hide it, but from the type of allies. You know that in Kazakhstan for a long time and quite tightly control the Internet, and more than once there have been cases that people come to work and home and clearly explain what they should not write. And there are cases that sow "for inciting national hatred." So why to the author of the above article, the requirements of the questions do not have the KNB? Maybe it's time to clearly define who is our friend, and who only uses us?
Author:
307 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 29 2016 07: 30
    +27
    And now the question is for you and me: how long will we tolerate this attitude towards us?

    Every family has its black sheep. But it is necessary to suppress something like that: "You don't need to beat, and if you don't understand - explain!" V. Vysotsky.
    1. Andrey K
      Andrey K April 29 2016 07: 35
      +64
      Well, the "Voice of the Allies" is rather the voice of the United States with comrades and various foundations, on whose grants all these "claims" are "suddenly" revealed ...
      It didn’t work in the frontal, they start calling through the neighbors ...
      There is nothing new in this, my favorite Anglo-Saxon tactics ...
      1. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey April 29 2016 08: 15
        +42
        Well, the gap in the historical education of this Kazakh historian is quite large, judging by his logic, he should apply to Georgia for compensation, as the Balts do with hokh. forgive the Ukrainians, the Georgians were in power and "terrorized" all the peoples of the USSR, only this grief historian forgets that there has never been such a state of Kazakhstan, and Mr. Khrushchev (a terry Ukrainian by nationality) has not legally endowed them with a land plot, with mines and factories. Let him think, although the owners do not tell such historians to think, you can only bark and sprinkle with saliva. The main thing is that it does not become a state view, otherwise there is an example and is very close.
        1. avt
          avt April 29 2016 10: 01
          +15
          Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
          Well, the gap in the historical education of this Kazakh historian is quite large,

          Build the sweetest in vain! There were great scientists there! According to the latest research of one of these, the great Ukrainians are no longer great, but the Kazakh Turks themselves are the ancestors of the ancient Greeks! Well, after all, Kazakhs, spilled Kazakhs! laughing And they still reproach us with Nosovsky and Fomenko! laughing So learn World History, well before you speak
          Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
          only the historian forgets this grief that Kazakhstan never had such a state,

          It was ! It was before the birth of Christ and it was called Hellas! Well, like El there and ata, I don’t remember how the Kazakh gishtorik translated from Turkic into Russian for us unreasonable and uneducated, from some Finno-Ugric swamps that crawled out of these things, well, something like “divine fatherland”. laughing
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya April 30 2016 10: 09
            +3
            Quote: avt
            According to the latest research of one of these, the great Ukrainians are no longer, but quite a Kazakh Turki are the ancestors of the ancient Greeks!


            Oops! And I missed that! laughing
            Do not share the link to this opus?
        2. Seal
          Seal April 29 2016 16: 45
          0
          Khrushchev (terry Ukrainian by nationality)

          What is it like ? What does "Khrushchov, a terry Ukrainian by nationality" mean? Was he born with this nationality or did he pick it up later, as for example, jaundice?
          And by birth Khrushchov N.S. unfortunately, purely Russian. N.S. Khrushchev was born on April 15, 1894 in the village of Kalinovka, Kursk province.
          1. Weyland
            Weyland April 29 2016 21: 54
            +4
            Quote: Seal
            And by birth Khrushchov N.S. unfortunately, purely Russian. N.S. Khrushchev was born on April 15, 1894 in the village of Kalinovka, Kursk province.


            Do you think there are few ukrov? Or, in your opinion, "Khrushch" - purely Russian word? So in Russian, EMNIP, it will be "May beetle"!
          2. Weyland
            Weyland April 29 2016 21: 54
            +1
            Quote: Seal
            And by birth Khrushchov N.S. unfortunately, purely Russian. N.S. Khrushchev was born on April 15, 1894 in the village of Kalinovka, Kursk province.


            Do you think there are few ukrov? Or, in your opinion, "Khrushch" - purely Russian word? So in Russian, EMNIP, it will be "May beetle"!
        3. Aleksandr72
          Aleksandr72 1 May 2016 04: 56
          +3
          Azimbay Gali, a well-known scientist, historian-demographer, philosopher, is an ambiguous personality, it is simply impossible to be indifferent to him. It is not in vain that some consider him the conscience and voice of the Kazakh people, and are ready to raise him on a white nightmare (for those who are not in the know, this is the procedure for declaring a khan or, in a general sense, a sign of highest respect and recognition of merit). Others are a petty, harmless nationalist, capable of only an empty concussion, and even now they are ready to add a Nazi antennae to his portrait (although Gali is more similar to Goebbels for me, not outwardly, of course, we are talking about an ideological heritage). And the third ones are absolutely sure that a straitjacket is crying on Azimbay Gali (the scientist himself has repeatedly proved the relevance of the need for this step).

          For me, Gali A. is a certain analogue of V.V. Zhirinovsky, a clown of the same kind, only obsessed with nationalism and not so well known in the political arena, who does not have any influence (except among ultra-nationalists) and is just like PR. But really a scientist:
          Scientific titles, degrees, activities:
          - Candidate of historical sciences, dissertation topic: “The population of Kazakhstan at the end of the recovery period (based on the 1926 census)” (1980);
          - Doctor of historical sciences, dissertation topic: “Socio-demographic processes in multinational Kazakhstan (1917-1991)” (1995);
          - Associate Professor, Corresponding Member of the ASN of the Republic of Kazakhstan (1996);
          - Colonel of Justice (2000)
          Seniority:
          - High school teacher (1973-1974);
          - Research Assistant, Postgraduate Student, Junior Researcher at the Institute of History, Archeology and Ethnography of the Academy of Sciences of Kazakhstan (1974-1981);
          - Lecturer, senior lecturer, associate professor, head of the department of general education disciplines AINH (1981-1992);
          - Head of the Department of Philosophy and Socio-Political Disciplines of the Almaty Higher Investigation School of the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan (1992-2001);
          - Head of the Department of Internal Policy KISI (2001);
          - Director of the Research Information Center, director of the Research Institute of Public Administration and Public Administration of the Academy of Public Administration under the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan (2001-2005);
          - Head of the Department of Social and Humanitarian Disciplines of the Kazakhstan Multidisciplinary Institute "Parasat" (09.2005-2008);
          - Deputy Director, Advisor to the Director of the Institute for Cultural Policy and Art History (since 2008)
          Other posts (this is important, as one of the assessments of the scientist as a nationalist): Member of the Public Council to expand the functioning of the state language of Almaty
          (since 12.2005)
          But I would definitely not call his statements "the voice of an ally," 90% of Kazakhstanis have no idea about the existence of Azimbay Gali.
          I have the honor.
      2. Hammer
        Hammer April 29 2016 08: 34
        +13
        Quote: Andrey K
        Well, the "Voice of the Allies" is rather the voice of the United States with comrades and various foundations, on whose grants all these "claims" are "suddenly" revealed ...
        It didn’t work in the frontal, they start calling through the neighbors ...
        There is nothing new in this, my favorite Anglo-Saxon tactics ...


        Similarly, such Kasparovs, Kasyanovs and other bulk ones themselves are in abundance - more than enough. The dog barks - the wind wears ... But the bell is interesting.
        In this situation, it is important not only that a "barking dog" was found, but how the Kazakh authorities will react to this barking. Or will they pretend that nothing happened?
        1. vladimirw
          vladimirw April 29 2016 12: 55
          +3
          Kazakh authorities ordered the film, Bodrov Sr. made it out of what was at hand, the greatness of the Kazakh ancient state is clearly reflected there, Rome is not the third, but 0,5 liters!
      3. amirbek
        amirbek April 29 2016 08: 41
        +7
        Quote: Andrey K
        Well, the "Voice of the Allies" is rather the voice of the United States with comrades and various foundations,

        want to rent Baikonur in order to disable
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 April 29 2016 08: 54
          +9
          Quote: Amirbek
          want to rent Baikonur in order to disable

          So in Russia now "Vostochny" is. yes
          1. Naiman
            Naiman April 29 2016 09: 32
            -32%
            3 launches per year? do not make me laugh! After 2 years manned? 20 years at least through Baikonur everything will fly, if not more! And if the dunce which in the taiga will fall? What will happen?
            Kazakhstan essentially wanted one thing, that there were no Protons. When last year "Proton" came on live in the first minute, there this rubbish poured out, what do you know about it?
            Why hangar under the East, kerosene harmless, and through Baikonur Proton?
            And how much stench was in the Altai Territory, when part of the missiles fell there, and in Kazakhstan it rains every time, we can’t even say a word?
            1. Lukich
              Lukich April 29 2016 09: 50
              +15
              Quote: Naiman
              ? 20 years at least through Baikonur everything will fly, if not more!

              so we have a rental until 2050. Of course we will fly. paid
            2. Eugene-Eugene
              Eugene-Eugene April 29 2016 10: 41
              +22
              Piloted flights from Vostochny are scheduled to begin in 2023. Then Baikonur will become a reserve one. By 2050 (by the time of termination of the contract) the depreciation of fixed assets of Baikonur is unlikely to provide an opportunity to use it in the future. And investing huge amounts in a country with an incomprehensible government does not make sense. I can explain: the territories on which the steps land, are in the zone of alienation of the cosmodrome, for which there is a separate fee. And the fact that the local shepherds are driving their cattle there or the peasants are sowing something there - this is their problem. So the Protons heptyl is a contrived problem, in the style of permanent Baltic poplars. It is clear that Russian competitors may be behind this - they have lost their heads, politicians are feasting, and you are yelling two throats, not knowing the essence of the matter.
              1. avt
                avt April 29 2016 10: 53
                +5
                Quote: Eugene-Eugene
                Proton is a far-fetched problem,

                No. Not really, or rather not at all. This is a real problem, it must be dealt with - hazardous production and the approach must be appropriate for both the equipment and the personnel conducting the work, otherwise an environmental disaster is quite possible with the volumes that have remained from the time of the USSR. The Kazakhs do not have personnel and in the future they are not expected to work on the topic, well, they simply do not and do not prepare. With regards to the 500 matches. In an accident, yes, environmental problems are also left to Altai. So, we need to carefully treat this topic, without cap-bugging and trying to cash in on it. In general, the level should be interstate and with serious experts in the subject versed, who would be subject to the first persons of the states. Something like a supranational interstate committee.
                1. trantor
                  trantor April 30 2016 17: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: avt
                  Quote: Eugene-Eugene
                  Proton is a far-fetched problem,

                  No. Not really, or rather not at all. This is a real problem, it must be dealt with.

                  Well, they also explained to you that this whole canoe falls into exclusion zones. And heptyl is a byak, which in the atmosphere decomposes very quickly into safe components without any additional chemistry.
                  And the horror stories in both the Altai Territory and East Kazakhstan are more journalistic than real, such as: the spent level has fallen - the radiation has increased ...
            3. kotvov
              kotvov April 29 2016 10: 46
              +8
              , can't we even say a word ?,
              have you already opened an account? where you, of course, deservedly, will be compensating. And what about paying for factories-cities-factories-roads? Or did it cheat you?
            4. The comment was deleted.
              1. Weyland
                Weyland April 29 2016 22: 50
                -1
                Quote: siberalt
                In vain Russia gave them our lands from Alma-Ata to Guryev


                For this, Lenin’s grandfather must be thanked! When will this mummy be thrown into the trash ?! am
            5. Prisoner
              Prisoner April 29 2016 14: 00
              +2
              It will be of course. And you will receive money for rent regularly. What's next? what And then everything. Can the Chinese rent? You can say of course, your sovereign right. Only fools like this guy unclench your tongue, otherwise you understand the genocide!
            6. Bredovich705
              Bredovich705 April 29 2016 14: 49
              +2
              Such a seal, as if Kazakhs built Baikonur in the 17th century! So it would drive herds across the steppe without Russia!
              1. Kasym
                Kasym April 29 2016 17: 41
                +13
                Yes, here you are. One reckless (Gali A) was heating up something, so all under one comb. It’s also impossible.
                I would tell this to Gali Azimbai. After all, as the heirs of the Horde, the Russians can also accuse us of genocide. I have not even heard of such a "scientist". As they say: the family has its black sheep. Likewise in Russia, Kasparov, Navalny, etc. Such scribbles on the eve of common holidays look like a provocation. And why does the site administration place such articles on the eve of May 1 and 9? Not good.
                Here we have launched another boat for the border guards. Or there is a comprehensive anti-terrorist exercise "Kaisar-2016" in a specially created Center. The special forces units "Kalkan" of the state security service, "Berkut" of the National Guard, "Sunkar" of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, "Arystan" of the KNB, "Arlan" of the Department of Internal Affairs of Alma-Ata and the special forces of the GRU MO are taking part. hi
                Nyman about the Protons is right, it was in vain that they blundered. Last year, after the emergency launch of Proton, there was a massive death of saigas, over 100 heads. It is known that your media did not cover this in any way. What kind of commissions did not come, but found nothing. But heptyl, as you know, quickly disintegrates and traces can not be found then. Therefore, again the question arose of replacing Protons with the Angara. And again the question arose about Bayterek in Baikonur. Rogozin was at the beginning of the year on this issue. Again created a joint commission. The bottom line is that we are building a launch pad, and the Russian Federation is a launch vehicle.
                I am very happy for Vostochny - it is a necessary thing - the more and better the infrastructure, the more "trump cards" in hand in comparison with competitors. The total number of launches in Russia in 2014 is 36, 2015-26. And in 2018 it is planned from the East 6 per year. And why argue something about launches from Baikonur? I don't see any problems at all. On the contrary, one should not argue, but rejoice that such opportunities are opening up. It is necessary to simultaneously launch a couple of Unions or Hangars - please - efficiency is also important for commercial launches. This market will surely only expand - even poorer countries need satellites. And here, as with an AK assault rifle, you can start - presumably, it will all cost cheaper. It is only necessary to organize the production of high-quality satellites for various purposes. hi
                1. avt
                  avt April 29 2016 18: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: Kasym
                  . But heptyl, as you know, quickly disintegrates and traces can not be found then.

                  hi Нет! No. The trick is that heptyl is not excreted from the body and just accumulates to a lethal dose, and its decomposition is not clinically confirmed. By the way, if memory serves, 500 on amil, that hell, but in profile - the derivative of the non-symmetric and the same 1 hazard class
                  Quote: Kasym
                  . What kind of commissions did not come, but found nothing.

                  So it was not what they were looking for, with this, well, real case of livestock, a serious comprehensive examination was needed to find out the cause of the death. Too big scale.
                  Quote: Kasym
                  And again the question arose about Bayterek in Baikonur. Rogozin was at the beginning of the year on this issue. Again created a joint commission. The bottom line is that we are building a launch pad, and the Russian Federation is a launch vehicle.

                  I don’t believe that things will go beyond the meetings of the commission. Of course, it is easier to make a table at Baikonur on some existing site, but actually under Buran / Energy "they redesigned the site from N-1 King of Rocket", but the first thing they stumble upon is that no one will agree to share the profit from commercial launches ... No one is interested in a new player entering the market. I wrote to you and Marek Rozny about this from the very beginning! This did not even take into account the political risks. So the most probable and the GDP was voiced for joy - the second and third stages on the East, began to be a table for the Angara up to heavy.
                  1. andj61
                    andj61 April 29 2016 19: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: avt
                    The trick is that heptyl is not excreted from the body and just accumulates to a lethal dose, and its decomposition is not clinically confirmed. By the way, if memory serves, 500 on amil, that hell, but in profile - the derivative of the non-symmetric and the same 1 hazard class

                    Regarding the toxicity - and it's silly to argue - I completely agree with you. That's just amyl as a fuel - it's something wrong! stop Amyl (dinitrogen tetroxide) is an oxidizing agent, and it often "works" in tandem with heptyl (unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine).
                    1. avt
                      avt April 29 2016 19: 18
                      +1
                      Quote: andj61
                      . That's just amyl as a fuel - it's something wrong!

                      Aha - an oxidizing agent, as well as a melange. And 500 on both reptiles of the 1st class. Correction is correct. I am aging however - it was a long time ago .....
                2. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB April 29 2016 22: 09
                  +8
                  I don't understand either: one paid "scientist" wrote something there and it started: "soyuznechki", like, how to trust you? They don't judge all people by one black sheep! Just a minute: it was the Ministry of Culture of Kazakhstan who was the first to financially support (after the Russian people) the film "28 Panfilov's men"!
                  The fact that he writes about "they were not allowed into the city", in general, some kind of nonsense! He was born and raised in Semipalatinsk, almost half of the townspeople are Kazakhs. And they came from the villages without any problems, the main thing is that the job would be where to get a job!
                  In general, all this looks like a provocation with the goal of driving a wedge into an allied relationship. And the author is easily led to this!
                  If in Russia there are publications such as EkhoMoskva and Rain, with the corresponding propagandists paid from abroad, then why should they not be in Kazakhstan ???
                3. Weyland
                  Weyland April 29 2016 23: 07
                  0
                  Quote: Kasym
                  One reckless (Gali A) was heating up something, so all under one comb.

                  If ... That State policy! If Kenesary Kasymov is considered a national hero .. - and the monument to Amangeldy opposite the Youth Theater, I remember, is it worth at least 50 years? But he was mainly just in that rebellion of 1916 and was noted!

                  And about the "descendants of the Horde": here, too, everything depends on the state policy! Under the USSR, the epic "Edige-batyr" was never published, because Edige in 1408 besieged Moscow (albeit unsuccessfully). At the same time, in pre-Petrine Russia, among the 16 most noble boyar families were 2 clans of the descendants of the Edige - the Urusovs and the Yusupovs (interestingly, the Chingizids were not included in the top 16, although in general there were enough Chingizid aristocrats in Russia)
                  1. Aposlya
                    Aposlya April 30 2016 10: 25
                    +2
                    Quote: Weyland
                    And about the "descendants of the Horde": here, too, everything depends on the state policy! Under the USSR, the epic "Edige-Batyr" was never published, because Edige in 1408 besieged Moscow (albeit unsuccessfully)


                    Well, so what? Under the USSR, the Kazakh epic "Kambar-batyr" was also banned precisely because it glorified Tokhtamysh's campaign and the burning of Moscow ... she is such a policy ... winked
                4. Kaiten
                  Kaiten April 30 2016 11: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Kasym
                  And heptyl, as you know, quickly disintegrates and traces cannot be found later

                  DiMetylhydrazine (heptyl) is not difficult to detect in the environment. environment, as well as its metabolites in the blood. It would be a desire.
            7. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB April 29 2016 22: 01
              +3
              Naiman, if you are so worried about one Proton "spilled" near Baikonur, then look what is there in the neighborhood, left of the Aral Sea! Show your Central Asian neighbors about the dehydration of the Syrdarya and Amurdarya ???
              1. Aposlya
                Aposlya April 30 2016 10: 38
                0
                Quote: AllXVahhaB
                Ayman, if you are so worried about one Proton "spilled" near Baikonur, then look what is there in the neighborhood, left of the Aral Sea! Show your Central Asian neighbors about the dehydration of the Syrdarya and Amurdarya ???


                With the Aral, not everything is clear to the end. Although there are a lot of versions - from the withdrawal of water to cotton fields and the "overflow" of water into the Caspian Sea, but scientists mainly associate it with a sharp decrease in precipitation in that area. By the way, there was a film about this, where the blame was placed on climate change because of the high-voltage line, which creates a type of barrier, it seems, from Volgodonskaya GRES ...
                1. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB April 30 2016 12: 15
                  +2
                  belay This which is located further from the Aral Sea to the Caspian ??? And why not immediately the Moscow state district power station ??? Well, that would immediately have no doubt who was to blame!
                  1. Aposlya
                    Aposlya April 30 2016 12: 31
                    0
                    Quote: AllXVahhaB
                    This which is located further from the Aral Sea to the Caspian ???

                    I wrote "it seems". The film was about some kind of GRES near the Caspian Sea. There, the point was that a long-range high-voltage plays the role of a climate weapon. Although by the years of creation it seems to be the end of the 70s, and the shallowing of the Aral began just in the 80s ...
        2. avt
          avt April 29 2016 10: 20
          +17
          Quote: Amirbek
          want to rent Baikonur in order to disable

          And he is already no, or rather, not at all the one that was during the Soviet era. Nobody will pull the space program of the times of the USSR, which means that Baikonur will die, naturally, he will die faster from the supply of space ambitions of the Kazakhs. I argued with Kasim and Marek Rozny about this back in the year 2012, when I proved Rozy with foam at the keyboard - Kazakhs will give $ 2000 Russian salaries per month and Kazakhstan will be a great space power laughing then the Russians were replaced by Ukrainians, and instead of Baikonur, they spoke about Baiterek in Zenit, and BEFORE the Maidan. I wrote that this will not happen - they did not believe! laughing He wrote that as Leninsk began to dismantle building materials, the independent Kazakhstani people would take Baikonur to Russia for scrap without Russia. Well, thank God at least a little calmed down and part of the landfill is working, even ours returned to Sary Shaan, by mutual agreement. Of course Baikonur is still needed - there is no replacement for 500 matches and there will be no campaign until 2016 at such latitude.
          Quote: vlad66
          So in Russia now "Vostochny" is.

          Quote: Naiman
          3 launches per year? do not make me laugh! After 2 years manned?

          In two years, there will be 7-8 and manned not a problem, the Kazakhs already frightened Ivanov when he was minister of defense, so they explained to yours quite specifically that we would launch from Plesetsk, too expensive, but we will make the topic removed, I think not without USs, they like then it was necessary to get to the ISS. And "Angara" VVP, well, judging by what was said under the mood, it will do on the Vostochny. The land is ours and it is necessary to develop it. And you there in Kazakhstan better deal with your planners - theorists, humanities-managers well, like Marek Rozny, who then put on velikhukrov. And where is Zenit and Dnipro c Yuzhmash ?? wassat That type franks get crazy and they will bring everything on a dish. laughing And what is the average medium for Kura, what did the Kazakh satellite do with francs, didn’t they name it, and why not from Baikonur? wassatSo, as I wrote about three years ago, think with your head, otherwise you will end up singing songs in the stacks about how the gods on white clouds descended from heaven and returned to heaven with thunder, looking at the ruins of the MIK on some kind of platform like 113 th
        3. sgazeev
          sgazeev April 29 2016 10: 33
          +3
          Quote: Amirbek
          Quote: Andrey K
          Well, the "Voice of the Allies" is rather the voice of the United States with comrades and various foundations,

          want to rent Baikonur in order to disable

          They have Baikonur, we pay rent. Nazarbay-babai, scratching turnips, how to persuade Russia to stay.
      4. vladimirw
        vladimirw April 29 2016 12: 51
        +2
        it doesn't matter whose submission this akin of "freedom" sings! And we have such a dime a dozen in the Russian Federation, we have to start with our own, tough, up to deprivation of citizenship and confiscation of property acquired in an unjust way.
      5. the finish
        the finish April 29 2016 15: 29
        +5
        In Ukraine, genocide, in Kazakhstan, genocide. Only for some reason, after all these genocides, they grew in huge territories. But where the true genocide happened, 15-20% of the historical Motherland remained.
      6. sherp2015
        sherp2015 April 29 2016 20: 47
        +2
        Quote: Andrey K
        It didn’t work in the frontal, they start calling through the neighbors ...


        This "Historic" of course Gan - doo - ras! But you shouldn't judge all the people by it.
        And the people of Kazakhstan are mostly reliable
    2. arane
      arane April 29 2016 08: 50
      +7
      Quote: aszzz888
      The national liberation uprising of 1916 of the year is a general popular uprising in Kazakhstan against the royal decree of 25 of June of 1916 of the year to mobilize into the army for the rear works of the “foreign” male population of Kazakhstan, Central Asia and partially Siberia from the age of 19 to 43.


      Wait. Nazarbayev will leave, finally it will begin there.
      1. Naiman
        Naiman April 29 2016 09: 03
        +3
        Yeltsin left, did it become good? :)
        1. arane
          arane April 29 2016 09: 18
          +11
          Quote: Naiman
          Yeltsin left, did it become good? :)


          Unlike Yeltsin, Nazarbayev is the President.
        2. Erg
          Erg April 29 2016 09: 42
          +11
          You hold on there. Do not give in to the "Danai who bring gifts." Where did the countries come when they believe that everyone owes them ... hi
          1. sgazeev
            sgazeev April 29 2016 10: 40
            +4
            Quote: Erg
            You hold on there. Do not give in to the "Danai who bring gifts." Where did the countries come when they believe that everyone owes them ... hi

            And why are they not claiming the Mongols? No matter how they entered the Siberian Khanate. drinks
        3. Termit1309
          Termit1309 April 29 2016 11: 57
          +1
          I hope with all my strength that there will be no Kazakh guest workers in the Far East angry . Enough of the Uzbek and Ukrainian.
        4. Prisoner
          Prisoner April 29 2016 14: 10
          0
          Do you know? Good. It could have been better, but oh well. winked
        5. Weyland
          Weyland April 29 2016 23: 34
          -1
          Quote: Naiman
          Yeltsin left, did it become good? :)


          For comparing Nazarbayev with Yeltsin - plus! But who do you have for the role of Putin? Gani Kasymov? laughing
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya April 30 2016 10: 40
            +2
            Quote: Weyland
            Gani Kasymov?

            This is the same "zhirik", only in uniform ...
    3. sgazeev
      sgazeev April 29 2016 10: 29
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      And now the question is for you and me: how long will we tolerate this attitude towards us?

      Every family has its black sheep. But it is necessary to suppress something like that: "You don't need to beat, and if you don't understand - explain!" V. Vysotsky.

      Was Kazakhstan in 1916? A new history of Kazakhstan from the 1917th century to February 16 - the entry into Russia, the Siberian Khanate (end of the 17th century), the Nogai Horde (19th century), the Kazakh Khanate (XNUMXth century).
      1. Aposlya
        Aposlya April 30 2016 10: 41
        0
        Quote: sgazeev
        Was Kazakhstan in 1916? A new history of Kazakhstan from the 1917th century to February 16 - the entry into Russia, the Siberian Khanate (end of the 17th century), the Nogai Horde (19th century), the Kazakh Khanate (XNUMXth century).

        Learn the materiel! The Kazakh Khanate was founded in the 15th century and existed until 18 ...
    4. Zfoni
      Zfoni April 29 2016 10: 37
      -18%
      Is Kazakhstan included in the borders of the "Russian world"?
      1. Cormorants
        Cormorants April 29 2016 12: 02
        +3
        Looks like spring and all sorts of parasites woke up in Kazakhstan! Or just gosdepovskie grandmother ended))
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB April 29 2016 22: 12
          0
          On the contrary - the State Department grandmas were thrown ...
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. Lukich
        Lukich April 29 2016 16: 07
        0
        Quote: Zfoni
        Is Kazakhstan included in the borders of the "Russian world"?

        and the outskirts of which side entered the boundaries of the interests of the sash? common? they don’t remember their promises at all? although from whom to expect ....
      5. andj61
        andj61 April 29 2016 19: 04
        0
        Quote: Zfoni
        Is Kazakhstan included in the borders of the "Russian world"?

        Everyone who speaks, and even more so, thinks in Russian, enters the borders of the Russian World. Including Russian-speaking Israel! bully hi
        1. Talgat
          Talgat April 29 2016 20: 07
          +2
          I agree that Kazakhs preserve and develop both their culture and language - and at the same time, to a large extent they are carriers of both the Russian language and culture - thus not only entering the Russian world - but also one of its "reservoirs"

          On the other hand, Russia is also the homeland and abode of the steppes of the Turks - and there are probably a million Kazakhs there. but also all other peoples related to us - from the taator with the Bashkirs to Tuva - the foremother - and the Altai peoples
        2. Kaiten
          Kaiten April 30 2016 11: 32
          0
          Quote: andj61

          Everyone who speaks, and even more so, thinks in Russian, enters the borders of the Russian World. Including Russian-speaking Israel!

          What a twist. And will the Russian world pull two autonomous Jewish territories, the Jewish Autonomous Region and Israel? As a rule, you are complaining about the dominance of the Jews, but here is such a "maza".
      6. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB April 29 2016 22: 11
        +2
        Kazakhstan is the last republic of the USSR !!! Ratification of the Bialowieza Agreements on December 23, 1991, the day after the Union officially ceases to exist!
      7. Weyland
        Weyland April 30 2016 00: 33
        -1
        Quote: Zfoni
        Is Kazakhstan included in the borders of the "Russian world"?


        Comes in. Like everyone else temporarily torn territory of the Republic of Ingushetia.
        1. Aposlya
          Aposlya April 30 2016 10: 42
          0
          Quote: Weyland
          Comes in. Like all temporarily seized territories of the Republic of Ingushetia.

          dreaming is not bad ... laughing
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB April 30 2016 12: 08
            0
            What to dream about? Isn’t Nazarbayev stubbornly promoting the idea of ​​the Eurasian Union? Or are you against the policy of your Elbasy ???? Well, tell me your address)))
            1. Aposlya
              Aposlya April 30 2016 12: 11
              0
              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              What to dream about?

              About what he wrote ...

              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              Isn’t Nazarbayev stubbornly promoting the idea of ​​the Eurasian Union? Or are you against the policy of your Elbasy ???? Well, tell me your address)))

              He not only promotes it, he created this very idea ... hi
      8. The comment was deleted.
      9. Warrior Hamilton
        Warrior Hamilton April 30 2016 10: 50
        +2
        Israel is definitely not included, so sleep well, dear comrade .... The Arabs say that Israel is part of the "Arab world" and is not going to leave. If you don't have a headache about this, then you have nothing to grieve about Russia.
        1. Kaiten
          Kaiten April 30 2016 11: 36
          -1
          Quote: Warrior Hamilton
          The Arabs say that Israel is entering the borders of the "Arab world" and is not going to leave.


          The Armenians, by the way, also consider our territory to be their own, on the grounds that 2000 years ago a short time this territory was part of the Tigran the Great empire.
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB April 30 2016 12: 09
            +2
            So you consider this territory yours on the same grounds as the Armenians! laughing
          2. Warrior Hamilton
            Warrior Hamilton April 30 2016 13: 49
            +1
            Quote: Kaiten
            By the way, the Armenians also consider our territory to be their own, on the grounds that 2000 years ago a short time this territory was part of the Tigran the Great empire

            Well, if the Armenians crammed the Torah, and on Wall Street, the brothers - not the Rockefellers, but the Martirosyans, then maybe someday ..... For the time being, Sherkhan helps to successfully clear the goat dangers, but all good things come to an end .. ..
            1. Weyland
              Weyland April 30 2016 18: 48
              0
              Quote: Warrior Hamilton
              on Wall Street, bros - not the Rockefellers, but the Martirosyans, then maybe someday .....


              Finger to the sky! Rockefellers - not just not Jews, but also ardent anti-Semites (a hundred-plus years of fierce competition with the Rothschilds did not go in vain)! laughing
            2. Weyland
              Weyland April 30 2016 18: 48
              0
              Quote: Warrior Hamilton
              on Wall Street, bros - not the Rockefellers, but the Martirosyans, then maybe someday .....


              Finger to the sky! Rockefellers - not just not Jews, but also ardent anti-Semites (a hundred-plus years of fierce competition with the Rothschilds did not go in vain)! laughing
              1. Warrior Hamilton
                Warrior Hamilton 3 May 2016 20: 47
                0
                Lieutenant
                Warrior Hamilton KZ April 30, 2016 22:24 PM | Voice of the Allies

                negative Finger to the sky! The Rockefellers are not just not Jews, but also ardent anti-Semites (more than a hundred years of fierce competition with the Rothschilds have not passed for nothing)! laughing [/ quote]
                Rockefellers for you: "not just not Jews, but also ardent anti-Semites", but for me - a metaphor.
                "Metaphor is a word or expression used in a figurative sense, based on an unnamed comparison of an object with any other on the basis of their common feature."
                And please don’t need your fingers in my compote ....... tongue
        2. Starshina wmf
          Starshina wmf April 30 2016 16: 06
          +3
          Kazakhstan is within the boundaries of Chinese interest. And if they come, Mama don’t cry what will happen. Uyghurs are being pressed.
      10. 72jora72
        72jora72 April 30 2016 14: 24
        +2
        Is Kazakhstan included in the borders of the "Russian world"?
        of course, and another quarter of Israel is included .....
    5. Cormorants
      Cormorants April 29 2016 12: 06
      +5
      Brothers you go to 7news.kz. there is generally an article that the Kahazi of Rome founded, that’s scream. This is generally kapets!
      1. DrVintorez
        DrVintorez April 29 2016 12: 33
        +3
        do the Romans know? otherwise people don’t know ...
      2. Glory_box
        Glory_box April 29 2016 13: 27
        +4
        Yes, you brother, turn on the ren-tv, and then poke your finger :)
      3. Prisoner
        Prisoner April 29 2016 14: 16
        +3
        It’s not the Kazakhs who are to blame, here the overseas curators are lazy. winked The Ukrainian scumbags and Kazakh scammed the same instructions. This will not be sent to our liberals, piece-by-piece to our methodologists.
      4. Lukich
        Lukich April 29 2016 15: 59
        +2
        Quote: Cormorants
        Brothers you go to 7news.kz. there is generally an article that the Kahazi of Rome founded, that’s scream. This is generally kapets!

        let kakly come from the censor and find out with them who the first one was founded. and we'll see. I put on ukrov. they dug up a whole sea
      5. Aposlya
        Aposlya April 30 2016 10: 45
        +1
        Quote: Cormorants
        Brothers you go to 7news.kz. there is generally an article that the Kahazi of Rome founded, that’s scream. This is generally kapets!

        Just a funny article, and so what? You look at Russian sites, it generally turns out that the Russians from Orion arrived and cultivated non-adherents, then all kinds of pyramids were built around the world ... laughing
        1. Talgat
          Talgat April 30 2016 19: 52
          +1
          I agree with you Aposlya

          There are a lot of such "humorous" articles. And Baklanov brought her here as an example, obviously to spit in our direction. I try not to pay attention to such people - there are few of them both from our side and from the Russian side - a minority - or how to call it - marginals
    6. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb April 29 2016 15: 24
      0
      Let Tselinograd be returned with all the developed territories, factories, factories, roads, schools and universities. Then they can talk about what and who owes whom, and who starved someone.
    7. nvd5
      nvd5 2 May 2016 00: 45
      0
      If topics arise there - immediately remove, -
      It’s not necessary to beat, but not penetrate - to explain!
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich April 29 2016 07: 30
    +17
    of course ... they gave the "scientist" some money in the State Department, under the guise of "grants" for education, taught him what to say, and now they will observe the situation. This is how they slowly begin to "rock" the situation and prepare the ground for the "Maidans".
    1. Koshak
      Koshak April 29 2016 08: 01
      +12
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      of course ... they gave the "scientist" some money in the State Department, under the guise of "grants" for education, taught him what to say, and now they will observe the situation. This is how they slowly begin to "rock" the situation and prepare the ground for the "Maidans".

      Kazakhstan also has its own Navalny and Kasyanovs.
      1. Roman 11
        Roman 11 April 29 2016 08: 49
        +4
        Quote: Koshak
        Kazakhstan also has its own Navalny and Kasyanovs.

        The 5th column is everywhere and in the states too - the formula of life!
        1. Stavros
          Stavros April 29 2016 12: 54
          +1
          And what does the 5th column have to do with it. If Nazarbayev in Istanbul loudly declared that under the Republic of Ingushetia and then the Soviet regime, the Kazakhs suffered so much that they almost disappeared from the face of the earth. So what did you want to hear from some wretched scientist a historian?
          1. Bredovich705
            Bredovich705 April 29 2016 15: 05
            +3
            Without Russia and Soviet power, the Kazakhs would have disappeared even faster !!
          2. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB April 29 2016 22: 23
            +3
            And he is not far from the truth! Just disappeared from the face zamli does not mean physical destruction ... I finished school in the late 80s, all my classmates Kazakhs (I lived in East Kazakhstan) did not know their native language! All urban Kazakhs of the second generation (children who came from auls) did not know their native language and were carriers of the "Soviet multiculturalism". There were no mosques (unlike Churches, by the way) at all, Kazakh-language schools existed only for show and pupils were forced there! Since the parents understood perfectly well that then they had to go to study at a technical school or university, and they were Russian-speaking. You will practically not find an accent in any Kazakh of the Soviet period!
            Another generation of the USSR and the Kazakhs would completely assimilate, losing their national identity!
            This is the difference between Kazakhstan and Central Asia! According to the 1988 census, the ethnic composition of the Kazakh SSR: Kazakhs - 40%, Russians - 40%, other nationalities - 20%. And everyone spoke among themselves in Russian.
            This is to the question of a Jew: is Kazakhstan a part of the Russian World ...
            1. Kaiten
              Kaiten April 30 2016 11: 42
              -1
              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              This is to the question of a Jew: is Kazakhstan a part of the Russian World ...

              Do you think this is good or bad?
      2. sgazeev
        sgazeev April 29 2016 10: 45
        +3
        Quote: Koshak
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        of course ... they gave the "scientist" some money in the State Department, under the guise of "grants" for education, taught him what to say, and now they will observe the situation. This is how they slowly begin to "rock" the situation and prepare the ground for the "Maidans".

        Kazakhstan also has its own Navalny and Kasyanovs.

        Mostly the south is stirring up. Under Kunayev, in the then capital, there were riots. Moreover, Kunayev was against Nazarbayev, on this basis he built the capital in a region with a predominance of the Russian-speaking population, killing two birds with one stone, away from the rebellious south and secured the "gift" of the corn-grower.
        1. Aposlya
          Aposlya April 30 2016 10: 52
          -1
          It is interesting and who is stirring something up in the south? I live in Almaty, I don’t see anything like that ...
          Do not give out your fantasies for reality ... hi
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB April 30 2016 12: 06
            0
            And how old were you in 1986?
            1. Aposlya
              Aposlya April 30 2016 12: 12
              -1
              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              And how old were you in 1986?

              17 years ... And for what purpose are you interested in? Then by the way the USSR was ...
              1. AllXVahhaB
                AllXVahhaB April 30 2016 16: 06
                0
                This is the question of turbidity)))
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB April 30 2016 12: 05
          -2
          Under Kunaev there was no unrest! Riots took place AFTER Kunaev, when the Russian Kolbin was put at the head of Kazakhstan.
          And he moved the capital for another reason - from the lands of another zhuz, to the lands of his zhuz.
          Learn mat.chast !!!
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya April 30 2016 12: 19
            -1
            Quote: AllXVahhaB
            Under Kunaev there was no unrest! Riots took place AFTER Kunaev, when the Russian Kolbin was put at the head of Kazakhstan.
            And he moved the capital for another reason - from the lands of another zhuz, to the lands of his zhuz.


            You're wrong. The riots of 1986 were not caused due to nationality, but because the Varangians were let down from the side. It was only later in the press of the USSR that the students made nationalists ...

            In the capital - there were several reasons. The main ones are to remove the administrative capital away from the borders with China, to remove the capital from the earthquake-prone zone: in Almaty every week an earthquake and every 100-120 years in 8-9 points occurs that the city as such does not remain at all. The last one was in 1911. Waiting for ...

            As for the fact that Nazarbayev dragged the capital to "the land of his Zhuz", so it's ridiculous! Nazarbayev is from the Shaprashty tribe, and this is the Elder Zhuz, i.e. Almaty is located on the lands of the Elder Zhuz and the Shaprashty tribe was just there, near the city of Talgar. And now the capital Astana is located on the lands of the Middle Zhuz.
            1. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB April 30 2016 16: 16
              0
              Well, what am I talking about? "Varyag from the side" he is Russian!
              What are you to me all the tribes rush about! Leave these tales to yourself! Tell me to which KIND Nazarbayev refers! And there it will already be clearly seen from which zhuz he is, since the lists of births by zhuz are well-known and listed in every UN textbook (Fundamentals of Social Sciences) of Kazakhstan! And tribes are such turbidity - any person can claim that he belongs to any tribe! This is like a modern Russian ask - so each of the nobles)))
              Rod, sister, ROD !!!
              1. Aposlya
                Aposlya April 30 2016 22: 07
                0
                Quote: AllXVahhaB
                What are you to me all the tribes rush about! Leave these tales to yourself! Tell me what kind of family Nazarbayev belongs to!


                As for fairy tales, then you are not to me ... Kazakhs are divided into Tribes, but now the tribes are divided into tribes! Is that clear to you ?!
                So Nazarbayev is Shaprashty, and I don’t even know what kind he is from, as he has never been interested in his detailed pedigree.

                Here is from the help:
                “The first reliable data on the composition of the Shapirashta we have from the beginning of the 5th century (archival materials), which list the tribal divisions of the tribe, such as Teke, Tolemys, Chibyl, Ekei, Yeskhozha, Azhike and Kenya. N. Aristov at the end of the 3th century. has XNUMX genera of Shapirashty: Ekey, Eskozha, Asyl, Chabyl and Aikym According to the results of modern research, the tribe of Shapirashty was divided into XNUMX main subdivisions: Maldyystik, Zheld_ystyk, Kyldystyk, which in turn had the following branches: Maldyystyk: Ekei, Emil, Eskozha; : Shybyl Asyl and Azheke; Kyldystyk: Aikym (Kaidauyl and Kalkaman).
                According to the late nineteenth century. the Shapyrashty tribe, the bulk of which lived in the Vernensky district, consisted of 7000 houses, according to M. Tynyshpayev's calculations in 1917 there were 70 thousand people. According to N. Aristov, Ekei lived mainly in the Uzun-Agach and Chemolgan volosts, Eskozha in the valleys of the Uzyn-Agash, Kastek and Samsa rivers, Shybyly in the Kurta volost, Asily in the region of the Malaya and Bolshaya Almatinka and Kaskelenka rivers, Aikymy in Kargaly volost. "

                Well, since we know that Nazarbayev was born on July 6, 1940 in the village of Chemolgan, Kaskelen district, Alma-Ata region, I can only logically assume Chot Nazarbayev from the Shaprashty tribe of the Asyla clan.

                Are you satisfied?
                1. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB 1 May 2016 18: 29
                  0
                  No))) Tribal associations are just the same more legendary than actual! Rod is another matter!
                  As for your "logical" conclusions, for example, here:
                  http://www.luxemag.ru/high-society/6902.html
                  based on the same data, it is alleged that he is from a younger zhuz request
                  So without a definition of family affiliation - nowhere!
    2. andj61
      andj61 April 29 2016 08: 11
      +8
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      gave the "scientist" some money in the State Department, under the guise of "grants"

      Yes, such, if I may say so, "scientists", are not so few even in our country. The existence of grants can be quite good, and even for bread and butter and caviar is enough, if the customer's requirements are strictly followed. There is not enough intelligence or talent for something really worthwhile, so they live on handouts.
      hi
  3. Silman1985
    Silman1985 April 29 2016 07: 32
    -10%
    , let’s we demand compensation from Germany, from Americans for Alaska, which was leased for the first 100 years by Peter the Great, well, well ... for some reason our government doesn’t do this, it would be better to rip them off than with us !!!! !
    1. spool
      spool April 29 2016 07: 34
      +10
      And the Tatars should get it like this for life lol
      1. Ermak
        Ermak April 29 2016 07: 49
        +11
        Quote: spool
        And the Tatars should get it like this for life lol

        These are not those Tatars. Our Tatars are descendants of the Bulgars.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee April 29 2016 08: 37
          +8
          Quote: Ermak
          not the Tatars.

          Then from the Mongols. It was the Tatar-Mongolian!
          1. Prisoner
            Prisoner April 29 2016 14: 20
            +1
            Ukrainians tried, but the Mongols famously sent them away. They said it was necessary, if only certificates would bring that they suffered, indicating the amount of damage. laughing
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik April 29 2016 08: 18
        +6
        Quote: spool
        And the Tatars should get it like this for life

        No, this we should receive from the TatarsMongol, would resurrect only Genghis Khan and Batu. And you will not demand anything from the current Mongols - they have nothing to do with it.
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 April 29 2016 08: 29
          +20
          Quote: EvgNik
          No, this we should get from the Tatar-Mongol

          Evgeny Nikolaevich, we were late in this matter unfortunately. The Ukroskakuns already demanded compensation from the Mongols for the Batyev invasion, and the Mongols did not refuse them, only politely asked to provide them with victims of the invasion. lol hi
          1. Lukich
            Lukich April 29 2016 12: 09
            +3
            Quote: 79807420129
            .Ukraskakuns have already demanded compensation from the Mongols for the Batu invasion,

            like this? yourself from your ancestors! belay
      3. Roman 11
        Roman 11 April 29 2016 08: 56
        +2
        Quote: spool
        A Tatars


        These corephans, specifically with the Mongols, got stuck ..... as they say to all the peoples of Eurasia, poor fellows owed from Trieste to Thailand, I do not envy laughing laughing
      4. raf
        raf April 29 2016 11: 42
        +7
        Quote: spool
        And the Tatars should get it like this for life lol

        Hey hey leave us alone !! stop We are to the marrow of our bones! wink You took a fashion to wave your fists to the right and to the left without looking, so inadvertently you can catch your own, more accurately please! laughing
    2. Leto
      Leto April 29 2016 07: 37
      +10
      Quote: Silman1985
      let us demand compensation from Germany

      Quote: Silman1985
      from Americans for Alaska, which was leased for 100 years by Peter the Great

      As I understand it, you didn’t even go to school? And who taught you to write?
    3. pv1005
      pv1005 April 29 2016 07: 43
      +5
      Quote: Silman1985
      , let’s we demand compensation from Germany, from Americans for Alaska, which was leased for the first 100 years by Peter the Great, well, well ... for some reason our government doesn’t do this, it would be better to rip them off than with us !!!! !

      Because Peter I did not rent Alaska. This action happened a little later.
    4. activator
      activator April 29 2016 07: 58
      +3
      Quote: Silman1985
      amerikosov for alaska, which was leased for 100 years by Peter the first
      wassat good
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 29 2016 08: 09
      +6
      Quote: Silman1985
      from Americans for Alaska, which was leased for 100 years by Peter the Great,

      first learn History, then we'll talk ... loser. sort of like a 85 year-old-embarrassing! USE has not yet been.wassat
    6. vovanpain
      vovanpain April 29 2016 08: 12
      +10
      Quote: Silman1985
      , for Americans, for Alaska, which was leased for 100 years by Peter the Great,

      Damn, the colleague Peter I, in the next world is spinning a fan and can’t understand why you, the Tsar Emperor, wrote it like a stink with a capital letter, and secondly, why did you make him rent Alaska mattresses? Alexander II, as far as I remember from school curriculum sold Alaska to minke whales. hi
    7. EvgNik
      EvgNik April 29 2016 08: 23
      +4
      Quote: Silman1985
      , let’s we demand compensation from Germany, from Americans for Alaska, which was leased for 100 years by Peter the Great,

      Sergey, is this a joke or the result of the exam?
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL April 29 2016 08: 56
        +3
        Quote: EvgNik
        Quote: Silman1985
        , let’s we demand compensation from Germany, from Americans for Alaska, which was leased for 100 years by Peter the Great,

        Sergey, is this a joke or the result of the exam?

        ... Well, a person "made a mistake", it happens! ... Forgiven! Let's be lenient ...
      2. Erg
        Erg April 29 2016 09: 49
        +2
        Quote: EvgNik
        Sergey, is this a joke or the result of the exam?

        Neither one nor the other. It's just time to "bring down" the West with its own weapon wassat
    8. sgazeev
      sgazeev April 29 2016 10: 49
      0
      Quote: Silman1985
      , let’s we demand compensation from Germany, from Americans for Alaska, which was leased for the first 100 years by Peter the Great, well, well ... for some reason our government doesn’t do this, it would be better to rip them off than with us !!!! !

      Peter I would give horseradish on December 16, 1866 in St. Petersburg a special meeting was held, attended by Alexander II, Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolaevich, ministers of finance and the sea ministry, as well as the Russian envoy in Washington, Baron Eduard Andreyevich Stekl. All participants approved the sale idea.
      1. Lukich
        Lukich April 29 2016 11: 25
        0
        Quote: sgazeev
        On December 16, 1866, a special meeting was held in St. Petersburg, attended by Alexander II, Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolaevich, ministers of finance and the sea ministry, as well as Russian envoy to Washington, Baron Eduard Andreyevich Stekl. All participants approved the sale idea.

        geologists had a holiday. they got business trips to Alaska. Imagine how much time was spent on the road only from St. Petersburg to Alaska. people have been absent for years. just read on the internet. the article was not about Alaska, about geologists
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich April 29 2016 19: 56
        -1
        Quote: sgazeev
        All participants approved the sale idea.

        the liberals (mat) were already (mat) already (a solid mat turning into a pun using local idiomatic expressions), females of a dog ... (moderators, relax, not a single mat dear to your heart)
    9. Weyland
      Weyland April 30 2016 00: 38
      0
      Quote: Silman1985
      from Americans for Alaska, which was leased for 100 years by Peter the Great


      And it's nothing that Chirikov discovered Alaska already after death Petra? laughing
    10. The comment was deleted.
    11. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 1 May 2016 00: 43
      0
      Peter | with it, there were no Russians in Alaska with him.
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. SuperFly
        SuperFly 2 May 2016 07: 42
        0
        Do you think Semyon Dezhnev discovered only the Bering Strait? fool
        1. SuperFly
          SuperFly 2 May 2016 07: 57
          0
          Eskimos on kayaks are clearly cooler than Russians, and this Dane was not asked ... laughing
        2. The comment was deleted.
  4. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN April 29 2016 07: 32
    +2
    Dissatisfied were and always will be, it is impossible to cut all under one comb.
    1. ydjin
      ydjin April 29 2016 10: 19
      +5
      Quote: RuslanNN
      Dissatisfied were and always will be, it is impossible to cut all under one comb.

      Such dissatisfied just need to be cut, moreover, baldly, to the very neck! For neffig-naffig drive in wedges between fraternal peoples. Some are already jumping (we will never be brothers), with delight from their European nature! Gadin must be crushed in the bud, that would not sprinkle poison! am To the count of demons!
    2. dali
      dali April 29 2016 19: 29
      +1
      Quote: RuslanNN
      Dissatisfied were and always will be, it is impossible to cut all under one comb.

      The point is not in this particular instance, but in relation to the authorities of Kazakhstan to this instance ... and the attitude of the same authorities towards people with a Russian point of view ...
      1. Aposlya
        Aposlya April 30 2016 10: 55
        0
        Quote: Dali
        The point is not in this particular instance, but in relation to the authorities of Kazakhstan to this instance ...


        Bulk with Kasyanov when they put him there?
      2. Svidetel 45
        Svidetel 45 1 May 2016 00: 53
        0
        So, after all, our authorities in Russia also quite calmly relate to Navalny, Kasparov or historians who almost justify traitors like General Vlasov. Or Putin congratulated Gorbachev on his anniversary, and why is he better than Vlasov, only because he surrendered a whole country, and that only one army.
  5. spool
    spool April 29 2016 07: 33
    +17
    In the line of Kazakhs stop . First we will pay 300 billion to Latvia, and then we’ll think about you laughing laughing laughing
    1. Lukich
      Lukich April 29 2016 07: 47
      +2
      Quote: spool
      In the line of Kazakhs. First we will pay 300 billion to Latvia, and then we’ll think about you

      bad example, contagious
      1. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey April 29 2016 08: 18
        +1
        Not an example, but a free appetite, suddenly it burns out like that and the attendants can cut down, the sweet word is freebie. Yes, the "historian" Kazakh brainless demanding people from the Baltic States and the outskirts were ahead of him.
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL April 29 2016 08: 58
        +4
        Quote: Lukich
        Quote: spool
        In the line of Kazakhs. First we will pay 300 billion to Latvia, and then we’ll think about you

        bad example, contagious

        There is such a rude and not quite decent saying: "If you give everyone, the bed will break ..."
    2. Angara
      Angara April 29 2016 08: 18
      +1
      Quote: spool
      In the line of Kazakhs. First we will pay 300 billion to Latvia, and then we’ll think about you

      No. Not so: first, I and Tataro-Mongol will receive compensation + fines + lost profits, I think a good sup will turn out in total, and then we will pay with the sprats also with the Kazakhs. In short, enough for everyone. wassat
      1. spool
        spool April 29 2016 08: 23
        +1
        For the damaged environment forgot to add laughing hi
      2. Weyland
        Weyland April 30 2016 00: 54
        0
        Quote: Angara
        first, I and Tataro-Mongol will receive compensation for Igo + fines + lost profits


        “Maria Ivanna, why are we living so poorly?”
        - Little Johnny, don't you know that we had a Mongol yoke for 300 years ?! Got it
        - No!
        - What do you not understand?
        “Why then do the Mongols live even worse than us?”
      3. The comment was deleted.
    3. EvgNik
      EvgNik April 29 2016 08: 32
      +2
      Quote: spool
      First we will pay 300 billion to Latvia, and then we’ll think about you

      The line already lined up to the moon. Also Lithuania, Estonia, Ukraine (it is the first, and the debts are the largest), and the Kazakhs are already one of the last. True, claims are expected from the countries of the former socialist camp, but this is only in the future.
    4. sgazeev
      sgazeev April 29 2016 11: 18
      0
      Quote: spool
      In the line of Kazakhs stop . First we will pay 300 billion to Latvia, and then we’ll think about you laughing laughing laughing
      drinks
  6. DrVintorez
    DrVintorez April 29 2016 07: 33
    +6
    And these there too ... Who else will calculate how many RUSSIAN people died from these "genocides" and "famines"? I am amazed that some peoples have no memory at all, they have built factories, schools and so on. Forgive me for being rude, they were taught to write while standing, and they are all screaming about genocide ...
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher April 29 2016 07: 42
      +5
      The bill is already even, not tens, hundreds of millions exchanged probably ...
      We are all fighting for the "brotherhood" of peoples - sometimes with the Ottomans, sometimes with the Persians, sometimes with the British ... Everyone does ... They exist, these very peoples, and they think that this is a given ... But, no. They could have destroyed, destroyed in principle. Moreover, if we were like the British, then long ago these same peoples would have remained only in the annals, and then underground ... Here we are, Russians. This was never appreciated. We need to show at least once how it can be without us.
    2. Lukich
      Lukich April 29 2016 07: 55
      +8
      Quote: DrVintorez
      they built factories, schools and more. Forgive me for being rude, they taught to write them standing

      one of my acquaintances left Kazakhstan at the very beginning of 2000. here she told how they were squeezed out of there. She worked as the head of the railway station at a major quarry. she is fired and put in her place, attention, KINDERGARTEN DIRECTOR. they went on a trolley to hand over, take things. she tells her, shows her. she does not listen, stands behind the driver and carefully watches him. then he says with regret, I don’t understand how you get on these pieces of iron. it's about the rails. a curtain
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag April 29 2016 08: 10
        +1
        Quote: Lukich
        I don’t understand how you get on these pieces of iron. it's about the rails.

        "... the system is igrek, the train flies in on one side of the river and lands on the rails on the other side, only this is a secret" (C) "Stoves-benches" :-)
      2. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu April 29 2016 11: 36
        +3
        Quote: avt
        Well, what the fuck greats? Well, after all, the Kazakhs, the poured Kazakhs! And they still reproach us with Nosovsky and Fomenko! So learn World History, well, before talking
        Prokopenko with Ren-TV seen enough ..
        Quote: siberalt
        gave them our lands from Alma-Ata to Guriev
        Nobody gave us Armenian landslaughing True, in Kostanay, a large Armenian gang was imprisoned .. At the regional level, they ruled. This is what cannot be taken away from the Caucasians - they know how to make "connections" ..
        Quote: Erg
        What countries came to believe that they all should ...
        Why are you talking about your homeland? request?
        Quote: Lukich
        she is dismissed and her attention is being placed on her place, the DIRECTOR of the KINDERGARTEN
        Kindergarten speakwink
        Russian President Vladimir Putin awarded the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, 2nd Class, to the son of the head of Rosneft, Igor Sechin, for the Order of Merit [/ b]. The relevant order is posted on the website of legal information. Ivan Sechin, who occupies the position of first deputy director of the department of joint projects on the shelf at Rosneft, in his [b] 25 years [b] was awarded "for his great contribution to the development of the fuel and energy complex and many years of conscientious work"
        "And these people forbid me to pick my nose" (c).
        1. avt
          avt April 29 2016 11: 52
          0
          Quote: Alibekulu
          Prokopenko with Ren-TV seen enough ..

          And what's that ? Kazakh TV company? Not a single gram was carried out on our Russian Turkic surveys. There were good publications with links to the annals from Kazan, where practically nothing remained of the Mongol Tatar yoke. And so there was silence on the subject of the world Turkic kaganate. And in general, they played enough with Pan-Slavism and thank God they calmed down. pan-Turkism is buggy, although if you remember that Az is a sinner to run the NAS in Turkey for the Turks to the ethnic Georgian / mengrel Erdogan spoke to the Pasha, well, for Turkish Ottomanism and Sunnism, again of the Turkish spill, you might think about how in Russia over Pan-Slavism, and they will let go of glitches the world Turkic kaganate. You look at business directly in your country.
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya April 30 2016 11: 01
            0
            Quote: avt
            Erdogan Pasha, a sinner on running ANAS in Turkey for Turks to ethnic Georgian / Mengrel

            He is not a mengrel. Erdogan from the Laz tribe, also a Georgian tribe, but another ... hi
        2. Weyland
          Weyland April 30 2016 00: 59
          0
          Quote: Alibekulu
          Quote: avt
          in his [b] 25 years [b] he was awarded "for his great contribution to the development of the fuel and energy complex and many years of conscientious work"
          "And these people forbid me to pick my nose" (c).


          Considering that about 250 years ago, sometimes a child was recorded in the guard even [b] before birth [/ b] (and breaks occurred when a girl was born) - we still have room to grow! laughing
          The Strugatskys did not exaggerate too much, about: "[b] Anacephalus. [/ B] Knight of the Order of the Holy Spirit, Colonel of the Guard"
        3. Weyland
          Weyland April 30 2016 00: 59
          0
          Quote: Alibekulu
          Quote: avt
          in his [b] 25 years [b] he was awarded "for his great contribution to the development of the fuel and energy complex and many years of conscientious work"
          "And these people forbid me to pick my nose" (c).


          Considering that about 250 years ago, sometimes a child was recorded in the guard even [b] before birth [/ b] (and breaks occurred when a girl was born) - we still have room to grow! laughing
          The Strugatskys did not exaggerate too much, about: "[b] Anacephalus. [/ B] Knight of the Order of the Holy Spirit, Colonel of the Guard"
      3. Glory_box
        Glory_box April 29 2016 13: 37
        +1
        Such nonsense is carried by those who have no other excuses for leaving for Russia. I personally know people who say that it’s necessary to somehow make excuses, because there they no longer take us for their own (although relatives). But you like to believe, everything is correct, it’s also easier. ..
        1. DrVintorez
          DrVintorez April 29 2016 15: 31
          +1
          personally worked with a doctor. doctor of the highest category, kmn. a person worked all his life in the reception department (both there and here), directly in the laboratory. he was forced to flee from one of the former republics. and he was born there. his parents got there from the RSFSR by distribution. you know some examples, I know others. which of us is right? the truth is she is so different, but truth can not be found. Do you really think that the above mentioned person had no other excuses? there he (in his words, of course, I did not personally check) had an apartment, but here he lived in a hostel from a hospital.
          Quote: Glory_box
          But you like to believe, everything is correct, it is also easier. ..

          Of course it's easier for us. I can answer that it’s easier for some to think that it’s easier for us.
      4. Warlock
        Warlock 7 May 2016 19: 52
        0
        Sir, you just killed me with iron hi
    3. There are a lot of us
      There are a lot of us April 29 2016 07: 56
      -3
      The ultimate goal was to teach them how to stand up, but alas, they did not reach ...
    4. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 29 2016 08: 28
      +8
      And nothing that Kazakhs became Kazakhs only in 1936. Prior to that, in the 19th century. they were called Aisaki. As these young peoples got it, the ambition seems to be a genealogy from the ancient Egyptians. Now Chingiz Khan will still be remembered, because he turned out to be a Kazakh. Russophobia in Kazakhstan is growing at a tremendous pace. My friend came in 2008. from Uralsk, and says that the attitude towards the Russians is frankly swinish, what about the "titular nation", and who are the Russians. Yes, men, now "representatives of the fraternal people" will run into this page, look how many minuses there are. For interest.
      1. Naiman
        Naiman April 29 2016 09: 24
        +5
        No. Not true. People formed earlier. We have many genera and tribes, simply, some do not understand this, and confuse, naming some part. And from the history, Kyrgyz-kaisakimi, someone incorrectly named everything. Read something about the Turkic peoples. You, too, here are Slavic peoples, you only know more or less Russian, Belarusians and Ukrainians. And there are Serbs, Slovaks, Czechs and so on.

        Here I am, for example, Kazakh (people), Middle Zhuz (as part of resettlement), Naiman (tribe), Baibol Togas (genus). You also had it, only you don’t remember it already. For clans and tribe for sure. Chernihiv, Smolensk, Rurikovich. Somehow you forget it.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit April 29 2016 10: 02
          +7
          There was such a thing, I do not deny it. With all the advantages of the tribal system, excuse only the sheep’s mouth. The Slavs crossed this line (Belorussians and Ukrainians are the same Russians, only someone whispered to them that they are different), and became a single people. Because the power on the floor of the continent, and the ships launched into space, and build airplanes, and much more. There is no need for the great people to prove their Greatness in their Great Country. But some people use the kindness of the Great people. Remember the old adage- Russians harness themselves for a long time, but go fast. This is to ensure that they would not wake the bear, but then do not drive them back to the den.
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit April 29 2016 10: 07
            +3
            In general, this "historian" provocateur, grant-eater, achieved his goal. He had a task to quarrel everyone, he succeeded ..
          2. Glory_box
            Glory_box April 29 2016 13: 44
            +1
            Oh again, do not wake the beast in me !!! :) Another active one, speak for yourself, and not for everyone, an Internet warrior :) Maybe enough already? One wrote nonsense, and you suck it up by naming, and even with threats ... like small children.
        2. black
          black April 29 2016 10: 39
          +5
          Speak Smolensk, Chernigov, Rurik. Thanks for the fun. I still don’t understand why our neighbors are the most competent "historians" on the past of Russia. An infection or something.
        3. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB April 29 2016 22: 33
          0
          What is your exceptional case))) What does the tribe have to do with it? This is more of a legend than reality. Basically, the gradation is simpler: Zhuz-Rod-Surname!
          Well, the fact that the three Zhuzes add one people: Senior + Middle + Junior = Kazakhs, so it is with us: Russians + Belarusians + Ukrainians = Great Russians! Here are just a squabble between the three components is no less than that between you between Zhuz! You understand very well why Nazarbayev transferred the capital exactly to Where it is located now wink
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya April 30 2016 11: 07
            0
            Quote: AllXVahhaB
            What is your exceptional case))) What does the tribe have to do with it? This is more of a legend than reality. Basically, the gradation is simpler: Zhuz-Rod-Surname!


            Nothing like this! That's right. First, the Tribe, then the Rhode, then the 7 forefather, and only then Zhuz as a geographical reference ... Well, the Surname was already in the time of the Republic of Ingushetia when Russification began. Look at the same Chokan Valikhanov - the surname Valikhanov comes from the name and title of his father Khan Uali (Vali Khan) ... hi
      2. Aposlya
        Aposlya April 30 2016 11: 03
        0
        Quote: Orionvit
        Prior to this, in the 19th century. they were called Aisaki.


        Have you come up with it yourself or what? laughing
        Persians called the ethnonym KAZAK Kazakh tribes Kipchaks and Kangly in the 10th century ...

        You obviously REN TV reviewed ...
    5. Aposlya
      Aposlya April 30 2016 10: 57
      +1
      Quote: DrVintorez
      Sorry for the rudeness, they were taught to write them standing

      Surely he taught that ?! laughing
  7. Vladimir57
    Vladimir57 April 29 2016 07: 34
    +6
    The correct article. And tumors need to be treated or cut out on time, and they appear in our country. hi
  8. SAM 5
    SAM 5 April 29 2016 07: 35
    +5
    There was a cry from the soul of the "famous Kazakhstani scientist, historian" Azimbay Gali

    No, no, and such fools get out of naphthalene.
  9. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher April 29 2016 07: 35
    +3
    Grantik was sent to the "scientist" and all the cases ...
  10. Riv
    Riv April 29 2016 07: 36
    -3
    So let the heirs of Nicholas II and present.
  11. Igor39
    Igor39 April 29 2016 07: 36
    +6
    Recognize genocide and demand compensation for occupation like Lithuania smile I’m just wondering what would have happened if the Russians hadn’t come to Kazakhstan, since I’ve been to Mongolia, I think it’s unlikely that the landscape would differ in cities and towns.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 29 2016 10: 16
      +5
      I remember the performance of the Kazakh KVN team somewhere in the 90s. So they frankly pinned, they say the Russian invaders came, and left behind universities, schools, libraries, factories, roads, cities. But it was the nineties, and now I look, the point of view has changed. Tomorrow we will find out that Adam was Kazakh, Ukrainians and Armenians have already lit up on this topic. Of course, not counting the Jews.
      1. Glory_box
        Glory_box April 29 2016 13: 47
        -1
        Ren-tv to help you, the great Tartarin))
      2. Lukich
        Lukich April 29 2016 15: 50
        +1
        Quote: Orionvit
        that Adam was Kazakh, Ukrainians and Armenians have already lit up on this topic. Of course, not counting the Jews.

        the Georgians were the first to stake out this topic.
  12. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 29 2016 07: 40
    +10
    What did he say about registration? Do not give him in the city? They did it right! The Kazakhs themselves did not give, the jackal's place in the steppe!
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 29 2016 07: 40
    +5
    This respected historian demands recognition of the Kazakh genocide by Russia

    Have arrived. There is no desire to even comment on such moves. And such voices usually begin to be heard after an ambassador or a representative of one very well-known state meets with the opposition and those who have joined it. We are too kind at times to the so-called. allies. We constantly go to meet them and always get a slap in the face, if not from the local "opposition", then from the head of the union state.
  14. King
    King April 29 2016 07: 41
    +3
    The genocide was of the Russian population in 1916 during the massacre while Russian men were in the trenches.
  15. King
    King April 29 2016 07: 41
    +5
    The genocide was of the Russian population in 1916 during the massacre while Russian men were in the trenches.
  16. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris April 29 2016 07: 41
    +1
    It's like presenting a bill to the Tatars for the genocide of the Russians during the yoke .. We have plenty of such "ACCOUNTERS".
    1. King
      King April 29 2016 07: 43
      -1
      100 years is not such a long time - see the comment above.
  17. Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky April 29 2016 07: 42
    +12
    Another disgusting! The Russian Empire brought civilization to Central Asia. They should kiss you because the Russians came before the British or, God forbid, some Turks! Right now, as if in Afghanistan we would live, in the Middle Ages, they grew poppy and drowned houses with dung! It concerns, by the way, all the wiseacres from the Asian republics of the former USSR!
    1. King
      King April 29 2016 07: 48
      0
      Previously, they wrote culturally - legs ... Do not disgrace a person and his last name.
    2. King
      King April 29 2016 07: 48
      -4
      Previously, they wrote culturally - legs ... Do not disgrace a person and his last name.
    3. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover April 29 2016 12: 06
      +5
      And so they lived. He served in Kazakhstan for 4 years (Taldy-Kurgan region). True, the Uyghurs settled there, I don’t know how much they are Kazakhs. So, the city of Panfilov, now Chimkent, the chairman of the collective farm was Comrade Golovatsky, absolutely not a Uyghur and not a Kazakh, Russian. The area was, like an oasis, all in the vineyards, experimental orchards for growing apples, peaches and all kinds of delicious. I set up brick and stone houses, settled local there, we lived in our town, we didn’t need it. The local population (there are very few Russians) prayed for him. 87-91 year. He worked there in reconnaissance battalion, by the nature of their activity they were often engaged in their direct work (border with China) .Do not believe it, we fell into the Mesozoic era during exercises, and stumbled upon snow Kazakhs in the wilderness, without exaggeration. By the way, for the Uighurs, the Kazakhs were something of a lower grade, or something. I’m not for the sake of insults, IT WAS AND quite recently, by the standards of history.
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ April 29 2016 15: 27
        +2
        Panfilov city, now Chimkent,
        Now Zharkent.
      2. Aposlya
        Aposlya April 30 2016 11: 10
        0
        Quote: Shark Lover
        The Uyghurs settled, I don’t know how much they are Kazakhs.

        Uyghurs are not Kazakhs, Uyghurs are refugees from China in the 20s. Uyghurs are not even Turks, but Sarts, descendants of ancient Persians, such as Tajiks ...
    4. Glory_box
      Glory_box April 29 2016 13: 51
      +2
      The Horde didn’t slaughter you, it wouldn’t have been ... But in the USSR, everyone was equal and everyone built the country together, for such words they would have come for you, but the USSR no longer exists. There is "freedom of speech" because your language is so long.
      1. King
        King April 30 2016 02: 22
        0
        the Germans would then have slaughtered such Hordes clean, yet who would not have known about this?
  18. Yura
    Yura April 29 2016 07: 45
    +6
    Erdogan does not sleep, Erdogan takes care of the Kazakhs, Erdogan gives money for articles, Erdogan is omnipresent, tirelessly carrying the banner of war, death and discord. There is one significant thing in all of this, everyone who earns money from dirty tricks and everyone who pays for it does it in dollars.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 29 2016 10: 26
      0
      Well, where does Erdogan have to do with it? There is a special structure that deals with similar issues around the world. This is the US State Department and the CIA. They will dump the money, and tell you how to do it right in order to spoil the Russians. Only some people forget that everyone who started friends with the United States ended up very badly. As Brzezinski said, "It's dangerous to fight with America, but it's doubly dangerous to be friends."
    2. sgazeev
      sgazeev April 29 2016 11: 29
      +3
      Quote: Jura
      Erdogan does not sleep, Erdogan takes care of the Kazakhs, Erdogan gives money for articles, Erdogan is omnipresent, tirelessly carrying the banner of war, death and discord. There is one significant thing in all of this, everyone who earns money from dirty tricks and everyone who pays for it does it in dollars.
    3. Aposlya
      Aposlya April 30 2016 11: 11
      +1
      Quote: Jura
      Erdogan does not sleep, Erdogan takes care of the Kazakhs, Erdogan gives money for articles, Erdogan is omnipresent, tirelessly carrying the banner of war, death and discord. There is one significant thing in all of this, everyone who earns money from dirty tricks and everyone who pays for it does it in dollars.


      It seems to me that you are on the right track ...
  19. shinobi
    shinobi April 29 2016 07: 48
    +5
    The "scientist" decided to get popular, to cut the money from the western friends. The dog barks, the caravan moves on. There are no such clever men in our camp. The less attention you pay to them, the faster they will rest.
  20. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch April 29 2016 07: 51
    +3
    Yes, we also have such a lot of "doctors political scienceSciences "famous professors and just specific guys who specifically love money. Savages, they are savages.
    Putin is called to the war all the time, but he still doesn’t go. Now they’ll try to rock Kazakhstan. It’s boring somehow already to watch the State Department sitting in a puddle.
  21. vladim.gorbunow
    vladim.gorbunow April 29 2016 07: 56
    +2
    In an amicable way, I would remind this historian of the Russian proverb - "Don't be dashing while it is quiet." If you hit it, you won't have time to look back, but here it is: genocide, and repression with the famine, and you have no homeland or land.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 29 2016 10: 36
      +2
      By Western definition, genocide is when the Russians pursue their policies, mind you not to the detriment of other nations. And when Russians are openly cut out (by the way, many still have to answer for this), these are manifestations of democracy. Even talking on this topic is disgusting. I know one thing, wait.
  22. aba
    aba April 29 2016 07: 57
    +3
    It is regrettable of course ... But what can we do, we are no longer just capitalists, but also different states. Each of the former allies pulls the blanket over himself, especially if the ruler of "truth" himself whispers into their left ear.
    Although this Mr. Gali is not the whole of Kazakhstan.
  23. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 April 29 2016 07: 59
    +4
    But they are corrupt ... He doesn’t think a single gram about the people, they must be crushed right away ...
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 29 2016 10: 43
      +4
      I have already written, I will write again. This provocateur "historian" of the grant-eater had the task of quarreling everyone, he succeeded.
  24. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 April 29 2016 08: 03
    +7
    By Victory Day from all the cracks climb. Is it really hot? Rebellion in a warring country? It is interesting, but in a "European" paradise they were treated, as it were.
    During the Second World War, there were also “rebels” against the defense of the Fatherland: in the Caucasus, in the Crimea, where almost the entire Tatar male population went to the police, Vlasov, Bandera ...
    More and more convinced that Comrade Stalin and even before him the rulers of the Russian Land suffered excessive philanthropy.
    1. Glory_box
      Glory_box April 29 2016 13: 55
      0
      Well then, are you sitting? Go out onto the street and explain it to all non-Russians. Weak? Or are you afraid of tearing your ass off the computer?
  25. nemec55
    nemec55 April 29 2016 08: 08
    +8
    Give us back the cities we built.
    I am touched by another pearl from Svidomykhkazakhs <The Volga Germans should say thank you for the fact that we sheltered them in 41m> fool You might think we left our homes and rushed into the steppe to look for a good life. Believe in Kazakhstan jumping Svidomo like mushrooms after rain Only Elbasy Nazarbayev doesn’t give them a ride. And as soon as Crimea jumps in, they will tolerate the Russian living in cities in the north in the Crimea and then they will blow it so that it doesn’t show much
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu April 29 2016 12: 36
      +3
      Quote: nemec55
      It touches me
      Fascist old, what can I say .. not enough of you all in 45 am
      Quote: nemec55
      Germans of the Volga region should tell us thanks for the fact that we sheltered them in 41
      Kurt - Gemstone
      When, in 1990, the former prisoner of the Akmola camp of the “traitors” wives of Gertrud Platays arrived in Kazakhstan, she told the staff of the “ALZHIR” museum how she saw local Kazakhs for the first time and how they felt about women prisoners.
      One winter morning, female prisoners carried armfuls of reeds from Lake Zhalanash. After some time, old people and children appeared on the lake shore, who, at the command of their elders, began to throw stones at these women. The guards began to laugh out loud: they say, you see, they do not like you not only in Moscow, but also here in Kazakhstan.
      Offended women thought, what are you, old men, what do you teach your children ?! But one woman stumbled over these stones, and when she fell next to them, she felt the smell of milk and cheese. She took a piece and put it in her mouth - it seemed to her very tasty. She collected these stones and brought to the hut. There were also prisoners of female Kazak women. They said it was Kurt — sun dried salted cottage cheese.
      Memories of Gertrude Platides formed the basis of the poem "Kurt - a precious stone." Its author is Raisa Golubeva, a history teacher. She lives in the village of Novoishimka, Akmola region. Here is an excerpt from her poem provided to us by the staff of the ALZHIR museum:
      Oh, God, this is not a stone.
      It smells like milk.
      And in my heart the flame of hope fluttered
      And there was a lump in my throat.
      So that came up with the old!
      This is what women women risked for!
      They protected us from the disease,
      They saved us from disbelief.
      They understood that we are not enemies,
      And just unhappy women.
      And what they could - helped
      Hitting us with our humanity.
      I silently crawled on the ice
      Collecting gems.
      Now I averted trouble from them,
      Saving them from the guards.
      And at night in the coldest hut,
      On the land defiled by executioners,
      I, a German, prayed to a Muslim god,
      Yes, I did not ask myself.
      I asked old people for health
      Women mothers - happiness.
      I especially prayed for the children
      So that they do not see the misfortune.
      I went through all the circles of hell
      Lost faith and friends
      But one thing I know
      That is the only way to raise children.

      1. Bekas1967
        Bekas1967 April 29 2016 13: 30
        0
        Who are you explaining ???? here is full of the finished Natsiks, who do not consider other peoples as people ((((((Sheep grazing is the lot of Kazakhs, for them. We are not capable of others ... but many have not even been there!) one provocateur wrote and here they picked up with a bang in order to once again raise some people over others. in simple words, the superiority of one nation over another ... even simpler is ordinary Nazism ... And this is before Victory Day, which for all of us (the peoples of the USSR ) the great holiday of the unity of the struggle against fascism and grief for those who died in some trenches, regardless of nationality. Vile people right now will write all sorts of nasty things about the war, after reading those who were not there ... we all went through this more than once. they will not say about the Russian people, they speak this language perfectly and honor the memory of all those who died in the Great Patriotic War, all !!! all who fell for this great-power bait I want to pre-warn - "nationalism is the last refuge for scoundrels." Dohren you divorced ((((( confused patriotism and love for the homeland with vile chauvinism. for you, some grazed sheep, others descended from the mountains, others are just rabble (not people at all negroes), there are still nosed, Chukchi, narrow-eyed ..... So like you are Gebels books framed at the head of the bed !!!! the Russian people ... they built everything, opened everything, taught everyone to sit, eat with a spoon and fork (wooden), discovered America and Africa ... hmmm ... it's good that I don't find such Russian people in my life! I know completely different people, and they do not shout at every corner about the greatness of Russia (this is a fact known to everyone). And what greatness many here have not understood ... And this is definitely not about smearing other peoples (hint). all who do not consider themselves a Natsik my words do not concern ... ost people from different nations my HONOR!
    2. Glory_box
      Glory_box April 29 2016 13: 58
      +1
      Ooh, one more, he wants to kick it ... as it turns out just everything, they told him that they put up with it, they put up with it ... but then they kick it. Go read books, otherwise the head is empty ...
  26. ibu355yandex.ru
    ibu355yandex.ru April 29 2016 08: 14
    +4
    It is not for nothing that the people say: "Look around you, not f .. is anyone using you?" Apparently the time has come to look around, decide and put things in order in "friendly" relations. One should not wait for the Maidan to be obossed from head to toe. You just need to move away to a distance from which this shit will not fall on you.
  27. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt April 29 2016 08: 17
    +6
    Maybe it's time to clearly determine who is our friend, and who is only using us?
    There is no concept of "friend" in the politics of states! You can be friends with Erbulat from the Ural River to whom I went fishing and he hunted on the Volga on a return visit and from such friendship everyone is good and life is beautiful. Plus, from such friendship I had Kazakh beef, and Erbulat guns and all sorts of buns. So who are we to each other? Friends or a cunning Kazakh used me? At first there was a business interest, and then we really became friends and openly communicate on a variety of topics. And presidents are prudent and cynical people (the most successful in this, otherwise they would not have climbed to the top of power). Therefore, the principle of "profitable-not profitable" works here. Russia should be attractive for its neighbors, so that they are drawn into the orbit of its influence, as a large planet attracts its satellites to itself. And now we are offered to add Kazakhs to the list of our enemies (Ukrainians, Georgians and Balts are not enough for us. We need this list to be constantly replenished ..? Question: who needs it? 246th battalion of information warAmerican troops in Europe standing ovation good .Not need to find fault, whitewashing our diplomatic failures, but systematically work with our neighbors and create conditions so that Internet screamers blackening our common past are interesting only to themselves and their commanders from information battalions.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 29 2016 10: 56
      +5
      Yes, I don't care what a person has, for example, the shape of the eyes, or the color of the skin. If only he was a man. However, in our time there are big problems with this. They whispered in everyone's ear that they are exceptional, you know who did it. Who is engaged in revolutions around the world. To look at your uniqueness, first look at what your ancestors achieved and left you as a "legacy". Everyone is being trained against the Russians. They will last, not the first time. Another thing is interesting. The concept of forgiveness can change.
    2. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 29 2016 10: 59
      +1
      You forgot the Tavistock Institute for Global Human Studies.
    3. kashtak
      kashtak April 29 2016 12: 20
      0
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      The 246th battalion of the information war of American troops in Europe is standing ovation

      I apologize for intriguing why the 246th?
  28. Gardamir
    Gardamir April 29 2016 08: 22
    +3
    And what is all the lips cheated? After 1991, we have neither allies nor enemies. Some partners. At least take a partner Poroshenko, they say he paid more taxes to the Russian budget than all chocolate factories in Russia.
  29. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 29 2016 08: 28
    -2
    You are a clown, say thank you for teaching you to piss while standing, and learned the ABC, otherwise you would still be strangers' sheep.
    1. brasist
      brasist April 29 2016 08: 39
      +4
      You taught all this and did not forget that most of the knowledge came from the east? And do not be like such "Azimbay Gali" it does not do you credit.
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit April 29 2016 11: 06
        -3
        What knowledge? All official academic history is a separate topic. What did you learn from the East? Arabic numerals? And that’s it. Our ancestors did the letter perfectly. Philosophy? So each nation has its own. What else from the east? So be it, I will answer. Sheep graze. There is nothing more from the east.
        1. brasist
          brasist April 29 2016 12: 28
          0
          Gunpowder, paper, silk, porcelain ... were also invented when grazing sheep?
        2. kashtak
          kashtak April 29 2016 12: 39
          +3
          Quote: Orionvit
          So be it, I will answer. Sheep graze. There is nothing more from the east.

          Do you know how to graze sheep?
        3. kashtak
          kashtak April 29 2016 12: 39
          +1
          Quote: Orionvit
          So be it, I will answer. Sheep graze. There is nothing more from the east.

          Do you know how to graze sheep?
        4. Basil50
          Basil50 April 29 2016 14: 54
          0
          In general, from the east
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 April 29 2016 11: 38
        +5
        I don’t need to tell fairy tales, I talked a lot with the Kazakhs and drank not one liter of vodka together, and my relatives lived for decades along with them, and never heard a bad word from them and they accepted me. And he sat like they were on the floor and beshbarmak just like they ate with his hands. So I don’t have to vpar, normal people like us, only the other eye section. Well, there are freaks like ours, so what? And it was the case at the neighboring combines worked.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit April 29 2016 12: 09
          +3
          So what. My relatives and the Karachais lived on the same street, and they celebrated the holidays (each with their own). Nothing that they are Muslims, and my Orthodox Cossacks are from birth. Until perestroika and the collapse came. I agree that it’s not the people who are to blame, their brains are dusted. But how much blood, and how to treat it somehow?
        2. Glory_box
          Glory_box April 29 2016 14: 07
          +1
          100% nothing to add. +
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. Glory_box
      Glory_box April 29 2016 14: 04
      -1
      Yeah, did you teach? Go wash, bot provocateur :)
    4. DrVintorez
      DrVintorez April 29 2016 15: 35
      +1
      rough. and who are you talking to?
  30. The comment was deleted.
  31. Roman 11
    Roman 11 April 29 2016 08: 42
    +3
    I, as the son of the Kazakh people, demand financially compensate for the death of my ancestors We also had uprisings - the Decembrists, Emelyan Pugachev, Bloody Sunday, Bolotnikov, Tambovsky in 1921, there were so many that you won’t count - for sure, all of their ancestors must have fallen into these alterations throughout history ..... So Will Russia forever pay compensation to its people? laughing

    And what about the recent uprising in 2011? There, it seems people were hurt, but have they paid compensation to everyone?

    Normal approach - if you want to stir up the great turmoil in your native country, please get a compensation laughing
  32. Russia
    Russia April 29 2016 08: 49
    +27
    Azimbay, do not dirty the Kazakhs!
    I grew up with them, and people like you "divorced" us. Because of people like you, the Russians left Kazakhstan.
    Because of people like you, only in Shymkent (Chimkent), such giants as the Shymkent automatic press plant (there was heavy machine tool construction, and now from strength - cauldrons-kumgans), Shymkent phosphoric (now wasteland), Chimkent lead were destroyed, destroyed (during WWII, two of the three bullets were cast from Shymkent screw! Now it’s a little revived), Shymkent cement (works a third). They managed to save the only plant - Tire. It was canned. But now he is behind technologically.
    It seems like an adult, a scientist, a Kazakh, but you don’t know Kazakh folk proverbs
    Tuysy zhagyn zhagyn emes, konys zhagyn zhagyn.-Good neighborhood is stronger than kindred ties.
    Or
    Kөrshің қolayly bolsa, tyғyz aulasy keң.-When a neighbor likes, the cramped courtyard is spacious.
    And especially
    Dosyң dos bolғanғa shattan, Dұspanmen dos boludan saқtan.- Be proud of a true friend, beware of becoming a friend of the enemy.

    Azimbay, turn to folk wisdom, and not to your ambitions!
    1. EFA
      EFA April 29 2016 09: 20
      +8
      Support.
      I have been there more than once, in general the people are good and friendly. I don’t know about young people, but those who are over 30 are very nostalgic for the USSR, no less than us. And to the direct question: "When was it better, under the USSR or after gaining independence?"
      They answer without hesitation - during the USSR. Of course, it’s understandable why, but they treat Russians well.

      Yes, it’s enough to visit the center of Almaty and look at the complex dedicated to the Great Patriotic War, the Orthodox church is nearby by the way, and in a few minutes a mosque is approximately the same for both people.

      So this is the next you ... the next upstart arsonist.
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit April 29 2016 11: 57
        +2
        Although Kazakhs feel their kinship somewhere, they are still divided. Some are those who are already Russified, and nomads. My wife's brother told me that he grew up in Kazakhstan, like nomads who, as in the article, began to move to cities. The Russians were selling apartments for a pittance just to leave. The title nation moved into apartments with the entire household. With horses, with rams, with the rest of the animals. There was always a fire on the balcony, on which food was cooked. All yards turned into camps. Can someone say that this was not the case? We don't need to tell us about the antiquity of our roots. Better with your p.i.dor "historian" figure it out, and we will be happy.
    2. Arkan
      Arkan April 29 2016 09: 34
      +4
      Chimkent, Prospect Mira, my childhood. He participated in the construction of the Tire Plant, it is a pity that all the work is in vain.
    3. Mig-31
      Mig-31 April 29 2016 11: 20
      +5
      Quote: Rossi-Ya
      Azimbay, do not dirty the Kazakhs!
      I grew up with them, and people like you "divorced" us. Because of people like you, the Russians left Kazakhstan.
      Because of people like you, only in Shymkent (Chimkent), such giants as the Shymkent automatic press plant (there was heavy machine tool construction, and now from strength - cauldrons-kumgans), Shymkent phosphoric (now wasteland), Chimkent lead were destroyed, destroyed (during WWII, two of the three bullets were cast from Shymkent screw! Now it’s a little revived), Shymkent cement (works a third). They managed to save the only plant - Tire. It was canned. But now he is behind technologically.
      It seems like an adult, a scientist, a Kazakh, but you don’t know Kazakh folk proverbs
      Tuysy zhagyn zhagyn emes, konys zhagyn zhagyn.-Good neighborhood is stronger than kindred ties.
      Or
      Kөrshің қolayly bolsa, tyғyz aulasy keң.-When a neighbor likes, the cramped courtyard is spacious.
      And especially
      Dosyң dos bolғanғa shattan, Dұspanmen dos boludan saқtan.- Be proud of a true friend, beware of becoming a friend of the enemy.

      Azimbay, turn to folk wisdom, and not to your ambitions!

      The most adequate comment! And such as Azimbay drive a wedge between Russians and Kazakhs.
    4. Glory_box
      Glory_box April 29 2016 14: 08
      +1
      Pretty boy!!!
    5. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ April 29 2016 15: 52
      +1
      Shymkent lead (during WWII, two of the three bullets were cast from Chimkent screw! Now it’s a little revived) They managed to save the only plant - Shinny. It was canned.
      Unfortunately, there is no lead or tire. But there are objective reasons for this, after the collapse of the Union, lead in such volumes simply became useless to anyone, because the main consumer is the defense industry. And tires, we didn’t have mechanical engineering, so the tire got up.
      And for the comment plus definitely.
  33. Arkan
    Arkan April 29 2016 08: 51
    +5
    Another injection of Russophobia, a wedge between neighbors. And what is their security service doing or are they in agreement?

    Take a bite! You can’t see the money!
  34. Holsten
    Holsten April 29 2016 08: 54
    +7
    Quote: Andrey K
    It didn’t work in the frontal, they start calling through the neighbors ...


    Nothing of the kind, they started just from Russia. Or do you not read the opuses of Russian scientists distorting Russian history? I somehow became interested in the activities of one of the historical institutes by going in a non-trivial way: I got acquainted with the list of senior staff, their merits and honorary members of which they are still. As a result of the acquaintance, I was sincerely amazed - why they have not yet written off the entire territory of Russia to the West. Whatever a Kazakh scientist is accused of in the article, whole research teams are engaged in Russia itself, receiving from where / all information about this is publicly available on the personal pages of the leaders of this Petersburg institute / grants, awards, etc. , and it seems to them to be a matter of pride, not shame.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 29 2016 12: 42
      +1
      Everyone who is interested knows perfectly all the opuses of our historians. Only most of these opuses remain in the academic environment, which makes us hot and cold. Concerned about those that fall into textbooks and the media.
      1. Holsten
        Holsten April 29 2016 16: 09
        +3
        "You are apolitical, I swear, on my word."
        They do not write for themselves, but for their students, who are our children and grandchildren and who, in turn, will teach our great-grandchildren. But this prospect is not at all happy.
  35. shcishcok
    shcishcok April 29 2016 09: 13
    +2
    "dash, nasyalnik rup - I will pray to Jesus, but if you do not let me, I will go to Shaitanka to pray!" (from the book "Word and Deed" by V. Pikul) they were all by our side for handouts and benefits in Soviet times, and even now. Is there really not a single ruler of the former "fraternal" republics who does not understand that joining the EU is a new colonization of their country? Are there really few examples? when the USSR collapsed Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland were self-sufficient countries with developed economies, and there is nothing to say about Yugoslavia. Czechoslovakia and Romania did not live in poverty either. What's in these countries now? Where are the famous Globus cucumbers, where? only apples remained from Poland. The rulers of both Belarus and Kazakhstan may understand, but they still flirt with the EU - it's so prestigious! to be in the EU! even a colony, but in the EU. Therefore, they incite or condone the incitement of ethnic enmity. If you ask Russia for all sorts of "flaws" a lot of applicants can be found right away, but how to admit that it was Russia that contributed to the development of their country is zero. There is nobody. So what kind of allies are they? Russia needs to be more progmatic, not to kiss everyone and everything, so that it is not offensive for the aimlessly thrown money. Remember the words of Alexander I- "Russia has only two allies - the army and the navy!" the rest are partners.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland April 30 2016 00: 29
      0
      Quote: shcishcok
      dash, nasyalnik rup - I will pray to Jesus, but if you don’t let me, I will go to Shaitanka to pray! "(from the book" Word and Deed "V. Pikul)


      Whether Toygild Zhulyakov said this is Pikul’s conscience, but what’s his burned alive for apostasy - a historical fact! Few people remember that Peter the Great so Europeanized us that even inquisition introduced (well, at least, his daughter guessed to cancel it).
    2. Weyland
      Weyland April 30 2016 00: 29
      0
      Quote: shcishcok
      dash, nasyalnik rup - I will pray to Jesus, but if you don’t let me, I will go to Shaitanka to pray! "(from the book" Word and Deed "V. Pikul)


      Whether Toygild Zhulyakov said this is Pikul’s conscience, but what’s his burned alive for apostasy - a historical fact! Few people remember that Peter the Great so Europeanized us that even inquisition introduced (well, at least, his daughter guessed to cancel it).
  36. CORNET
    CORNET April 29 2016 09: 16
    +7
    Gentlemen, Kazakhs, please tell us the bank details where to transfer the contribution! And forgive us for God's sake ... laughing laughing
  37. Naiman
    Naiman April 29 2016 09: 17
    +9
    Let’s talk about Kazakhstan.

    If we talk about the Holodomor in Kazakhstan, then you don’t hear such a scream in Kazakhstan, as in Ukraine, for example. Everything is elevated to the rank of national tragedy there. A million Kazakhs died, do you think so little?
    BUT it was everywhere, a lot of people died due to the collapse of the Russian Empire, and how many Russians died in the villages.


    And about the Semipalatinsk test site. Something there about the New Earth they said that they were also carried out. So who lives there? The Bears?? And then there are 2 cities nearby, and they did not say ANYTHING to people! A little more products left the stores and that’s it. No way. Well, they didn’t do it, the training ground, where is the thread, near Voronezh?
    Therefore, I am enraged by the phrase beloved by some: Russians, they say, came to your villages, villages and left behind schools, hospitals, and kindergartens. So add more, nuclear test sites! At least about Kazakhstan speaking!

    I LIVE HERE! NOT YOU! So many freaks, cancer,! And I still understand that the nuclear shield was forged. But EXCITING, Kazakhstan was!


    About factories and stuff. What about fossils? During the war years, 9 out of 10 bullets were poured from Kazakhstan lead. Okay, there was a common enemy.

    Let's recall the collapse of the Union. Russia has assumed all obligations for the debts of the USSR. No one began to participate there .... except Kazakhstan. They gave their part to securities of energy companies. They gave up strategic bombers and other things, somewhere on the lease of military training grounds and Baikonur they gave up.
    Neither your beloved Ukraine, nor Belarus paid anything there. Your brothers, so to speak.

    So we are a GOOD ALLY! Although all kinds of volunteers are scouring here from the USA, looking for offended, they don’t get anything!
    And on May 9, I will also wear a St. George ribbon, my grandfather fought. Only sometimes it’s sometimes cuts in the corners, if you don’t know some points about YOUR ALLIES.
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. kashtak
      kashtak April 29 2016 09: 53
      +4
      Quote: Naiman
      So we are a GOOD ALLY! Although there are all kinds of volunteers scouring here from the USA, looking for offended
      so that's the point. Do not be offended by the people an hour of humor. just a sad occasion. the provocateur seems to be not funny at all in the article. but better with humor than without.
      1. KOH
        KOH April 29 2016 10: 31
        +5
        Yes, Kazakhs do not need to be offended, hot heads will weave ..., the writer's task is to Pit Russians and Kazakhs, do not succumb to provocations ...
    3. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 29 2016 12: 36
      +4
      Gave strategic bombers? Were they needed? Was there enough money to support their staff? In Ukraine, in Poltava, when the TU-160 was cut, the pilots cried, and the American advisers applauded. Well, eight managed to pick up for gas debts. Saved. I honestly write from Ukraine. I was just born in the USSR and I am Russian. Nothing in the city in which I live, for every resident of a harmful enterprise? And the nuclear station is at hand. Let us be likened also to the ukronazists.
      1. Naiman
        Naiman April 30 2016 08: 53
        +1
        You, probably, a Ukronazist will write "BUT it was everywhere, a lot of people died because of the collapse of the Russian Empire, and how many Russians died in the villages." Do you often hear this from a Ukronazist when they talk about the Holodomor? And from a Kazakh, it is probably strange to see this, moreover, calling him a Ukronazist.
        You would first read the text, then answer.
    4. Russia
      Russia April 29 2016 13: 06
      +3
      Naiman

      No offense. Unfortunately, such "Russian azimbays" are also not measured in our country. And they don’t care who throw mud at - Kazakh, Latvian, Uzbek, Russian. If only the "owner" paid. And, sometimes such "azimbays" do not understand that they are simply used by unscrupulous puppeteers for their own benefit.
      See who does what, not listen to what anyone says.
    5. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB April 29 2016 22: 52
      +3
      Naiman, you don't need to keep people for fools! What do you mean they said nothing? I come from Semipalatinsk: when you wake up at night from the fact that the walls are shaking, the glasses fall in the "wall" and the chandelier under the ceiling is staggering ... Then mentally you think: how many kilotons? And in the morning, with classmates, you argue about it))) And everyone knew about everything! Who spoke, did not say - it does not matter !!!
      You shout: "I LIVE HERE"! Where is "here??? This is my identification! Where is your ???
      1. Naiman
        Naiman April 30 2016 08: 25
        0
        My identity lies at home! Yeah, in the 50s they said, in the 60s they said. Well yes, I'm a storyteller! especially to those who lived nearby in villages. What are you talking about? This was already warned in the late 70s, when they had only switched to underground explosions, supposedly harmless! And in the beginning forgot something, what was ??? You know that!
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit April 30 2016 08: 43
          -1
          Comrade Naiman, I wonder how you can write on one page under two flags?
          1. Naiman
            Naiman April 30 2016 08: 51
            +4
            I do not know. Kazakhtelecom at home, gives out the Kazakhstan flag. At work, Beeline issues Romanian ?? flag. The question is probably to the provider
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB April 30 2016 11: 47
          +2
          What are the auls? Saryzhal and Ainabulak are almost the same distance from the landfill as Semipalatinsk. Therefore, such a deserted place was chosen for the landfill! But maybe you know some secret auls at the landfill? So call them!
          I myself was a member of the Nevada-Semipalatinsk society and took part in the "peace march" to the training ground in 1990. As soon as I find an old photo, I'll post it - our group is there with the American curator Barbara. (I was then 17 years old and I was a liberal-minded young man)))
      2. Aposlya
        Aposlya April 30 2016 11: 31
        0
        Quote: AllXVahhaB
        Nyman, do not hold people for fools! What do you mean did not say anything? I come from Semipalatinsk: when at night you wake up from the fact that the walls walk with a shaker


        And my father comes from the village of Kainar - this is the landfill itself can be said. He told me when he was little, the military came to their village, put them on carts and took them to the steppe with all their families. The cattle were locked in barns, the windows boarded up.
        A few days later, an explosion, the mushroom of which he observed. Then, within a month, only food was brought in, but they were not allowed to leave home. A month later, the military arrived again in gas stations. They did tests, took skin samples, histamology (it seems so called when they take the test from the stomach), hair, blood, and more. Then they came back ... And around the rams and bald dogs run around ...
        And he watched these explosions a few ...
        What is it that turns out, have people also carried out experiments?
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB April 30 2016 12: 00
          +1
          Which Kainar? Now in Kazakhstan, Kainarov, as in Russia, Lenin streets. You either name the original Russian name (Oktyabrskoe, Sergeevka, Blagoveshchenka ...), or provide topographical data, otherwise it is not clear what kind of Kaynar was in the landfill! In the East Kazakhstan region there are three Kainaras - Ainabulaksky rural district (formerly October), Tasai rural district and Kuygansky rural district (formerly Sergeevka). Well, another Kaynar is part of the Semipalatinsk administration.
          So which one is on the training ground ???
          So after you determine the location of your Kaynar for me, I agree to continue the discussion of fairy tales about experiments on people and bald dogs!
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya April 30 2016 12: 04
            0
            Quote: AllXVahhaB
            Which Kainar?

            Kainar village, Abay district, Semipalatinsk region ...

            And this, by the way, is not a fairy tale ...
            1. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB April 30 2016 16: 41
              0
              The area for testing atomic weapons "by the open method is highlighted in red, the arrows show Semipalatinsk and" your "Kainar. Well, there should be no less" bald dogs "In Semipalatinsk, and in Znamenka, in general, there are only zombies walking ...
              1. AllXVahhaB
                AllXVahhaB April 30 2016 16: 45
                0
                For the most meticulous add:
                1. Aposlya
                  Aposlya April 30 2016 22: 25
                  0
                  Quote: AllXVahhaB
                  For the most meticulous add:


                  It’s not clear what’s in the picture then? The number of explosions?

                  From 1949 to 1989, at least 468 [1] nuclear tests were conducted at the Semipalatinsk nuclear test site, in which at least 616 nuclear and thermonuclear devices were detonated, including: 125 atmospheric (26 ground, 91 air, 8 high-altitude); 343 nuclear test explosions underground (of which 215 are in adits and 128 in wells).
                  1. AllXVahhaB
                    AllXVahhaB 1 May 2016 18: 09
                    0
                    The picture shows the movement of air masses at the time of the most powerful ground explosions. The fact is that the wind blows from the steppe to the north. In the direction of "your" Kaynar, the air masses from the test site, in general, do not move ...
                    1. Aposlya
                      Aposlya 1 May 2016 20: 07
                      0
                      You showed 10 cases and you think that all 460 explosions were accompanied by the same wind rose? Naive! winked
              2. Aposlya
                Aposlya April 30 2016 22: 21
                0
                Quote: AllXVahhaB
                The area for testing atomic weapons "by an open method is highlighted in red, the arrows show Semipalatinsk and" your "Kainar.


                AND? That road between Samsky and Kaynar is approximately 200 km, i.e. about 100-120 km explosions from it ... So not only bald dogs, but the whole bunch of other flowers, such as the birth of mutants, cancer, etc.
                1. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB 1 May 2016 18: 14
                  0
                  Radiation does not spread by roads))) The distance from the ground test site to Kainar is the same as to Semipalatinsk, and given the wind rose, In Semipalatinsk there should have been an order of magnitude more "bald dogs"! But they were not there ... What a misfortune ... Tell me: did your father expound the epic about "bald dogs" in prose or in poetic form? With or without dombra! Just knowing the love of Kazakhs for various epics / legends and I'm interested ...
                  1. Aposlya
                    Aposlya 1 May 2016 20: 28
                    0
                    I told you about the road in order to orientate by distance, so leave your jokes about the spread of radiation ... laughing
                    Well, about where there should be more "bald dogs" - IMHO, the military and scientists must have taken into account the wind rose so that the wind does not carry radiation dust away from the city of Semipalatinsk. And even more so, my father does not need to lie to his son, although it may be accepted in your family, but not in mine ...

                    As for your card with your own edits, in general there were three polygons: 1-Testing ground, 2- Balapan and 3- Degelen. Here is a sample map of the areas occupied by it, on which it is clear that this is not the circle:
  38. Roman 11
    Roman 11 April 29 2016 09: 21
    0
    What if zebras clean up individual states? The whole world will rise in line ..... the first of course the samurai with Fritz - lucky laughing
  39. Orionvit
    Orionvit April 29 2016 09: 40
    +3
    Quote: Amirbek
    Quote: Andrey K
    Well, the "Voice of the Allies" is rather the voice of the United States with comrades and various foundations,

    want to rent Baikonur in order to disable

    So Baikonur is already owned by Kazakhstan, and Russia rents it. Survived. He rents his own spaceport. This is how Sevastopol was rented. But the Kazakhs are boasting, they say we have a spaceport. The Russians will leave, what will they do with it?
    1. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb April 29 2016 10: 00
      +3
      What they will do with him was evident in the 90s and early 2000s, when Russia practically left it. Does nobody remember? How much did it take to recover?
  40. tchoni
    tchoni April 29 2016 09: 49
    +3
    And I said, I warned ... Only having achieved in Russia a standard of living not lower than the USA and Europe will we shut up such gorlopans. More precisely, they will be shut up by the locals themselves ...
  41. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 April 29 2016 09: 51
    +4
    Another vyser from a series of "drink hundreds of milen shot", which our and foreign "cryopreservationists" love so much.
  42. Victor-M
    Victor-M April 29 2016 09: 52
    +7
    It’s scary to think if Russia starts to sue everyone for the genocide of the Russian people, starting from the time of Alexander Nevsky. Maybe it's time to start?
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. kashtak
      kashtak April 29 2016 10: 01
      +1
      Quote: Victor-M
      Victor-M (4) Today, 09:52
      It’s scary to think if Russia starts to sue everyone for the genocide of the Russian people, starting from the time of Alexander Nevsky. Maybe it's time to start?

      it will be plagiarism. wink a joke repeated twice ceases to be funny.
  43. was-witek
    was-witek April 29 2016 10: 01
    +2
    All these allies and friends remain so while Russia gives finance. As soon as int. the situation is complicated by all of these so-called friends and allies who have signed joint defense treaties, flee into the bushes. And while continuing to milk Russia. Only naked pragmatism will help us in our movement forward.
    1. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ April 29 2016 16: 03
      +1
      Quote: was-witek
      All these allies and friends remain so while Russia gives finance.

      And how much finance did Russia give to Kazakhstan? You, please, because of one provocateur throughout Kazakhstan do not pour mud.
  44. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 29 2016 10: 01
    +3
    So what. Remember when in Primorye they wanted to give Misty China?
    Google "project Tumangan". Here, too, then it got out
    mu ... the luminous historical with a report on
    that all these lands are originally Chinese and we are invaders on this earth.
    Well, then our governor seemed to call him personally.
    And more that mu ... priest did not arise with his ideas.
    And the Kazakhs need to know that if we are not above them, then the Chinese.
    But in China there will be no Kazakhs, there will be only Chinese.
    1. Kadex
      Kadex April 29 2016 19: 34
      +1
      Quote: Zomanus
      And the Kazakhs need to know that if we are not above them, then the Chinese.

      Nimbus is not squeezing? laughing
      Russians need to know, God is above us.
    2. Aposlya
      Aposlya April 30 2016 11: 34
      +1
      Quote: Zomanus
      And the Kazakhs need to know that if we are not above them, then the Chinese.


      Kazakhs live in China and the Chinese never began ... already a half million ...

      Are you scaring yourself? smile
  45. prawdawsegda
    prawdawsegda April 29 2016 10: 06
    +1
    In Ukraine, the bounce-nutty type of man with a fascist bias was genetically modified. Interestingly, what miracle did the Americans modify in Kazakhstan?
    1. Warlock
      Warlock 7 May 2016 19: 22
      0
      I’m also wondering: what kind of powder is sprinkled with great dill and ancient Kazakhstan? One friend of mine has a good understanding of BWA, and the other is a narcologist, since they have not been able to understand the reasons for the general maidanization of the two countries for the second year now. what
  46. ydjin
    ydjin April 29 2016 10: 47
    +5
    Quote: Naiman
    Let’s talk about Kazakhstan.

    If we talk about the Holodomor in Kazakhstan, then you don’t hear such a scream in Kazakhstan, as in Ukraine, for example. Everything is elevated to the rank of national tragedy there. A million Kazakhs died, do you think so little?
    BUT it was everywhere, a lot of people died due to the collapse of the Russian Empire, and how many Russians died in the villages.


    And about the Semipalatinsk test site. Something there about the New Earth they said that they were also carried out. So who lives there? The Bears?? And then there are 2 cities nearby, and they did not say ANYTHING to people! A little more products left the stores and that’s it. No way. Well, they didn’t do it, the training ground, where is the thread, near Voronezh?
    Therefore, I am enraged by the phrase beloved by some: Russians, they say, came to your villages, villages and left behind schools, hospitals, and kindergartens. So add more, nuclear test sites! At least about Kazakhstan speaking!

    I LIVE HERE! NOT YOU! So many freaks, cancer,! And I still understand that the nuclear shield was forged. But EXCITING, Kazakhstan was!


    About factories and stuff. What about fossils? During the war years, 9 out of 10 bullets were poured from Kazakhstan lead. Okay, there was a common enemy.

    Let's recall the collapse of the Union. Russia has assumed all obligations for the debts of the USSR. No one began to participate there .... except Kazakhstan. They gave their part to securities of energy companies. They gave up strategic bombers and other things, somewhere on the lease of military training grounds and Baikonur they gave up.
    Neither your beloved Ukraine, nor Belarus paid anything there. Your brothers, so to speak.

    So we are a GOOD ALLY! Although all kinds of volunteers are scouring here from the USA, looking for offended, they don’t get anything!
    And on May 9, I will also wear a St. George ribbon, my grandfather fought. Only sometimes it’s sometimes cuts in the corners, if you don’t know some points about YOUR ALLIES.

    Don't you twist too, "9 out of nine bullets" ...? "Kazakh lead"? -Soviet lead, mined at Soviet deposits and smelted at Soviet factories! And directed from Soviet weapons against the enemies of the Soviet State!
    1. Kadex
      Kadex April 29 2016 20: 30
      +2
      I agree. And then everyone fought, and the liberator is a Russian soldier. They built factories, raised virgin lands, discovered space, and much, much more was done by Soviet people. drinks
    2. Naiman
      Naiman April 30 2016 08: 28
      +1
      Yeah, Soviet. In the Kazakh SSR. No need to say what they built, left. And you need to talk, dug, taken away. Why is everything considered only on one side? Kazakhs did not work? They worked. See who in the USSR was a parasite on the tables of production and consumption! We are on this list, as in the RSFSR
    3. Aposlya
      Aposlya April 30 2016 11: 36
      0
      Quote: ydjin
      Don't you twist too, "9 out of nine bullets" ...? "Kazakh lead"? -Soviet lead, mined at Soviet deposits and smelted at Soviet factories! And directed from Soviet weapons against the enemies of the Soviet State!


      Yeah, how does lead from Kazakhstan mean Soviet, and how does Baikanur built under the USSR mean Russian?

      Quote: Orionvit
      So Baikonur is already owned by Kazakhstan, and Russia rents it. Survived. He rents his own spaceport.
  47. Chulman
    Chulman April 29 2016 10: 58
    +1
    Oh b .....! Another offended by the Russians! But hto taught you, who gave you education? Until now, the herds of camels and sheep would be herded, and even then not her own! What kind of scientist are you at? You dEbil !!!
  48. Begemot
    Begemot April 29 2016 11: 01
    +2
    We are kind, just like Leopold the cat, so different "rodents" are nasty.
    It’s time to adopt Ozverin in the form of a law on responsibility for offensive statements and lies with respect to Russia, so that it spreads to the whole world and is applied as severely as possible a couple of dozen times.
    So that in the blackest zone the guys could sit with all the "charms" and let their correspondents come to them every month to cover the consequences of attacks on Russia. Then, I swear, I will not criticize the State Duma for a whole year.
  49. Fuzeler
    Fuzeler April 29 2016 11: 02
    +1
    Guys, I’m maybe late, NOOOO .... Here no one has suggested from the Baltic States to demand compensation? after all, our Tsar Peter bought the Baltic from the Swedes))
  50. Basil50
    Basil50 April 29 2016 11: 08
    +5
    Regarding the uprising, it was a * rehearsal * of Basmachism at the expense of England and France, which * flowed * through Turkish figures in Central Asia, and this despite the state of war, the Entente and Turkey.
    And with * motives * everything is simple, like a lowing, the descendant of the bandits was worried * about compensation * for lost profits.