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Karabakh deadlock

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It was here that a recent outburst of emotions about the very “exacerbation of tension” on the borders of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic followed on “VO”, someone even tried to read the slogans. Terrible predictions sounded, emotions overflowed ... And meanwhile, nothing happened again (yes, such a cynical look). And it could not happen. The reasons for this are the Azerbaijani army and features of the theater of operations. Exactly. Let's start with a less controversial point: from the theater of operations (as is known, the theater begins with a hanger, so, the analysis of war is best and start with an analysis of the theater of military operations).

Just look at the physical map of the area, and we will understand a lot: there is a mountainous area. Exactly. Most of the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh is quite a mountain landscape. The so-called Karabakh Plateau. Yes, of course, the heights gradually decrease towards the Kura River, but in any case, it will not be necessary to fight on the plain. That is why this moment is missed and missed. And in vain. Attempting to play the Armenia-Azerbaijan clash, as if everything happens at an altitude of 200 meters above sea level, is fundamentally wrong. “The Nagorno-Karabakh Republic is located in the south-eastern part of the Lesser Caucasus. The republic’s relief is typically mountainous, encompassing the eastern segment of the Karabakh Plateau and sloping down to the east from the west, merging with the Artsakh Valley, which constitutes most of the Kuro-Arak lowland. The eastern parts of Martakert and Martuni districts are relatively low ... "

Karabakh deadlock


In essence: Karabakh is a natural fortress occupied by Armenians. The thing is that on the plain Tanks can come from anywhere (usually). From the rear, from the flank. All the stunning actions of Guderian and others were based on this (especially Rommel was lucky). Free movement of tanks with the support of infantry and artillery (on trucks and tractors), on the "plane". But already such a "mountainous terrain" as the Valdai Upland created enormous problems for the mechanized parts of the Wehrmacht.

In general, historically, a war in the mountains is a hard, bloody, protracted war. Scottish Highlanders - classics of the genre (about them it is written Nemer). It is the highlands of Scotland that restrained the British conquerors. And if we remember the Napoleonic generals in Spain? The same infection! They write a lot about guerrilla (small war), but forget to start with the fact that most of Spain is a mountain (of different heights). Otherwise, the Spaniards would be powdered simultaneously. But the mountains, gentlemen, gentlemen and monsieur. The mountains. Mountains change everything. The mountains make absolutely impossible the simultaneous advance of large masses of infantry (where are they going to follow goat paths?).



It’s not so much the heroism of those Spaniards (although he, of course, was the place to be), as in the categorical unpreparedness of the French for a “small mountain war”. Those tactics that allowed them to beat on the plain all, in the mountains led to defeat. And here it is impossible not to recall the Montenegrins, who for a very long time fought with anyone, including the invincible Janissaries, sitting on their Black Mountain. It's all about the features of the terrain, mountainous terrain. The war in the mountains and the war on the plain have little in common. In Russia, which fought in the Caucasus for an infinitely long time, this is not at all news. More Leo Tolstoy wrote about it.

In Afghanistan, tried to fight "before victory" three great empire. And every time the war was very hard. The mountains that you take from them. For a while the remnants of the Incas lasted in the Andes against the invincible conquistadors — it was hard for the Europeans to breathe there ... where to fight. I think the examples can be continued endlessly, the bottom line is that the modern one or another era of the army, as a rule, is sharpened by a plain war. And with this it is very difficult to do something: large masses of infantry, cavalry and artillery in the mountains are very, very difficult to move. With the development of the “war of engines” the situation has only worsened. All this heavy equipment in the mountains serves only as a burden.



No, there are certainly examples of successful use ... But these are rather exceptions. Therefore, for me personally, counting the number of Azerbaijani tanks and armored personnel carriers is not entirely clear. What does it matter? in this theater of war? We are sort of playing the operation on the Russian Plain by default ... But this is not at all the case. In this case, armored vehicles can attack on small, previously known areas of the terrain, which can be mined in advance and cover with artillery and anti-tank systems. There can be no "sudden strike of a tank division in the rear / flank", it cannot by definition.

Artillery, in which Azerbaijan also has an advantage? That's the way it is, but in case of a serious war, artillery will have to literally “gnaw” passages for attacking troops, this is not a quick matter, and the Armenians, in principle, have something to say, and the infantry they are not in an open field - according to According to eyewitnesses, the Armenian fortifications are amazing in quantity and quality. Yes, the Azerbaijanis attacked, yes, they achieved something, then they were rejected.



Aviation? Against a well-entrenched, and in this case literally "gnawing into the rocks" enemy equipped with anti-aircraft defense, it is not very effective, in any case, the Azerbaijani Air Force is not the Russian Air Force. The last conflict proved this, in general. Azerbaijani aviation did not show itself particularly. Drones? Well, like yes. Even one such bus was gouging with Armenian conscripts, but it wasn’t possible to win in the war. No, it’s impressive, of course, but there’s no way to win the war and not influence its course.

Helicopters and special forces? Something was in the last conflict. Badly ended for Azerbaijan, alas. What do we have, fleet? But seriously, the Azerbaijani army somehow faded. Unconvincing. So much prepared, so much money spent, and the result is not pleasing to the eye. Did Armenians have to retreat? But a retreat is considered a shame, betrayal and cowardice only in the eyes of political ideologues, they say, you should never retreat, you should always attack and that is the guarantee of our victories! From a purely military point of view, there is no fundamental difference between defense, attack and retreat (exactly). Depends on the situation. Some wars are won / reduced in a draw just by competent digressions (Count Kutuzov shone with this not only in Russia).

By the way, competently organize a retreat, far from it, is not as easy as many think. This is also necessary to learn. Armenians, for example, own this art — not a single prisoner of war. This moment somehow falls out of sight. The sudden massive attack of Azerbaijanis and not a single prisoner of war. Imagine how difficult it is to take everyone away in the dark under the fire of an attacking enemy. In addition to the dead, of course. Armenians coped with it. They have, sorry, a decent army.

How would the American army behave in a similar situation? Russian? Chinese? You see, a sudden, massive attack by the enemy with the support of artillery is a totally unpleasant situation for any army in the world. Another question is why this attack was so sudden, but this is already a question for intelligence. The loss of the first line of defense is, of course, unpleasant, but it is for them that they make several. Therefore, all those emotions that were splashed onto the pages of Internet publications are not entirely clear: unfortunately, it was not possible to surround anyone, defeat, or capture anybody.

By the way, yes, Azerbaijan has also shown itself quite well. To carry out such a sudden massive operation with tanks, artillery and UAVs is by no means easy. Azerbaijan’s training has obviously grown, but the mountains and the Armenians. Armenians and mountains. Now, if all this was happening on the plain, then it would be possible to break through the line of defense with artillery and enter tanks and motorized infantry there and make a wide area ... But the mountains. The mountains that make such operations impossible in principle. The domination of the air among the Azerbaijanis was somehow not revealed ... There were no large landing forces (an interesting option, by the way). A breakthrough on previously known directions in the highlands is unpromising.



Admittedly, the Armenian army is much better prepared and trained. And most importantly: you can agree or disagree, but Azerbaijan is lowland, third world oil producing country. Something like this. But Armenia cannot be called a third-world country with all the desire. Armenian writing a half thousand years. Azerbaijan - a quarter of a century. In the third world, there is nothing terrible - Ukraine won there and “descended” there, but the Third World Army is not exactly what the doctor prescribed during a major offensive operation on a well-established enemy.

A typical third world country with petrodollars and a bloated military budget. Well, here and fought. That's nice ... In general, everything became clear with the "offensive potential of the Azerbaijani army." Not bad, but not enough in this case. Not enough. So the hysteria of some Armenian bloggers is completely incomprehensible to me. Russia is not responsible for Karabakh and can not bear - it would be strange. Moreover, the Karabakh defense forces alone coped with the problems that had arisen. In general, when Armenians brewed all this porridge, they should have been ready for such a development of events. Russia is responsible only for the Republic of Armenia itself. And the existence of an agreement with Russia makes Turkey’s attack impossible. But Azerbaijan alone cannot cope with Armenia. Such are our layouts.

Panicked calls for Russia: a) to help Armenia defend Karabakh; b) help Azerbaijan return it; c) do anything; - sound rather strange. That, damn it, is not our problem. And as a person who is absolutely not interested in anything in this case, I can say that it makes sense for Azerbaijan to go to the exchange of territories: he will not be able to return Karabakh by force. And Karabakh was never Azerbaijani. Armenians live there. So - the exchange of territories. Yes, and Armenians sit in a constant blockade, it makes no sense. It’s just that both sides must come to terms with the inevitable: Armenians will not be able to keep all of Karabakh, Azerbaijanis will not be able to restore the territory of the AzSSR (only within the framework of the USSR-2!).

The simplest and most logical solution is trading, as in a bad eastern bazaar. In general, divide the territory. To everyone who in Baku will shout about “united and indivisible Azerbaijan,” I want to note that I can’t find the map of Azerbaijan to the USSR in any way. Guys - do not carry the brain, and then as with Ukraine, by God. People who happily escaped from the "hell of the USSR" are now fighting for its borders ... No one needs to kill a couple of camps in Magadan? (joke). Today’s positions of Baku and Yerevan are absolutely unrealistic.

Azerbaijanis do not live in today's Armenia and Armenians do not live in Azerbaijan. So the solution can be only one: two separate national states, the borders, of course, need to be discussed. Before the events in Karabakh, it was not only the Armenians who lived. So on the territory of the debate are inevitable. It is hardly interesting for Armenians to remain in constant blockade and keep gunpowder dry all the time. Dead end it. But the Azerbaijani idea of ​​a “territorially integral state within the borders of the AzSSR” is pure utopia. There will never be this. The most diverse nationalities could live side by side in Soviet Azerbaijan, but then in Soviet Azerbaijan. Repeat now this model is unrealistic. All the arguments of Azerbaijanis on the subject of some kind of "guarantees" to the Armenian population of Karabakh are ridiculous.



From the end of 80, we see only one model of Armenian-Azerbaijani relations: mutual slaughter. Therefore, everything is simple: Armenians in the Armenian part of Karabakh, Azerbaijanis in the Azerbaijani part. Something like this. The fact that Karabakh was part of the Azerbaijan SSR should be perceived by Azerbaijanis as a fact stories The USSR, when Azerbaijan itself was only an administrative unit. Attempts to retroactively rewrite history and put an equal sign between the Azerbaijan SSR and Azerbaijan are quite naive. The Russian Empire included the territories of Persia and Turkey, and Azerbaijan left Azerbaijan without Karabakh from the USSR. So it goes. Whether someone likes it in Baku or not, the train has left, and returning “everything backwards” will not work.

Likewise, the idea of ​​Yerevan to keep all of Karabakh is absurd - no one will support this idea, neither Russia, nor France, no one at all. But to sit in a blockade for all the time is also not an option. By the way, Yerevan has received just invaluable experience of military operations, and I think now the Armenian military with big stars are flying over the ground, not touching it, around the clock, trying to urgently plug all the holes in the defense that have been identified. And, I think, according to the results of the “heroic operation” in the office of Serge Azatovich, an analysis of the flights and the distribution of elephants took place (And there were loud words! And they hit the table with their fists!). And the sheet A4 lay on the table with real losses of the Armenian side. What conclusions will Azerbaijan make from this operation? It is hard to say. Will Baku be able to qualitatively strengthen the army, bring it to a new level? I do not know, I doubt, to be honest. For this, Azerbaijan must stop being a typical third world oil producing country.

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  1. killganoff
    killganoff April 26 2016 12: 33
    +9
    The country has collapsed, and now boilers are boiling on all the outskirts of the former Union ... And where are those figures now that freedom was forcibly forced on the people ?! Laureates? Heroes Honored patriotic figures who erect whole scientific and historical centers and monuments? !!! At what, not in the era of the perished and forgotten by the people, but in our time and in our country, something may not be understood right ?! Or too biased about what is happening?
    1. gray smeet
      gray smeet April 26 2016 12: 39
      0
      I feel it will begin now! Hot Caucasian guys get hooked!
      1. cniza
        cniza April 26 2016 13: 04
        +5
        There is a heavy knot there and I'm afraid for a long time he will not find a solution, if at all.
      2. The comment was deleted.
    2. uranium
      uranium April 29 2016 23: 09
      0
      the country was destroyed by the Armenian diaspora of the United States with the help of Armenians. Thanks to the territorial claims of Armenia against Azerbaijan, such a powerful country began to fall apart. It is enough to google and see who and how voted for the safety of the USSR and who was against.
  2. avvg
    avvg April 26 2016 12: 37
    -10%
    There will be peace when they (Azerbaijan and Armenia) become part of Russia.
    1. gray smeet
      gray smeet April 26 2016 12: 43
      +18
      Quote: avvg
      when they(Azerbaijan and Armenia) will become part of Russia.


      Do we need it?
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov April 26 2016 13: 42
        +5
        Quote: gray smeet
        Do we need it?

        Definitely not, let them agree.
        1. Knizhnik
          Knizhnik April 26 2016 16: 17
          +3
          A few years ago they tried and almost agreed ... ended with the shooting of the parliament in Yerevan. You are naive, sorry.
        2. Michael easily
          Michael easily April 26 2016 21: 26
          0
          Do you need yesterday? - becomes "scary" tomorrow.
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 April 26 2016 15: 32
      +2
      Quote: avvg
      There will be peace when they (Azerbaijan and Armenia) become part of Russia.

      )) Armenians have quietly glanced into Russia. Out of 5 million Armenians of Armenia proper, barely 600000 remain there. The rest have long mastered the roadside business of the Russian Federation and the warm Black Sea coast ...
      1. Bruss
        Bruss April 26 2016 15: 34
        +3
        I was told three. Of these, 900 thousand - Yerevan!
  3. 13 warrior
    13 warrior April 26 2016 12: 37
    +6
    Mountains, mountains ... I can’t but agree that the mountains are a very complicating factor, many armies of cones got it done, but ... The battle for the Caucasus in the Second World War lasted a little over a year. I am against the war, but if Azerbaijan rested and went on the principle of total war, then for a year and a half the winner would be decided there. As it happened in the Second World War.
    1. Olezhek
      April 26 2016 15: 40
      +3
      I am against the war, but if Azerbaijan rested and went to a total war from principle, then in one and a half years the winner would have been determined there


      Will Azerbaijan endure a year and a half of war?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 26 2016 15: 56
        -2
        Azerbaijan will buy more and trample weapons.
    2. Weyland
      Weyland April 26 2016 22: 35
      0
      Quote: 13 warrior
      The battle for the Caucasus in WWII lasted a little over a year


      After all, this our mountains, they will help us! (with)

      Now if it were their the mountains, the Nazis could have partisaned there for a long time .. By the way, so that they couldn’t partisan there their accomplices - and deportation was used!
  4. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN April 26 2016 12: 39
    +7
    I think Azerbaijan will destroy enemy strongholds with precision-guided weapons with the help of attack and reconnaissance drones, as it acted in April, knocking Armenians out of the dominant heights. The pen test was a success, confirmation of the ratio of losses of Armenians and Azerbaijanis. Although Armenians shout about hundreds of killed soldiers and dozens of destroyed Azerbaijani tanks, it’s a reality. She showed the opposite, except for one shot down helicopter, the Armenians have nothing to brag about. The loss of equipment and troops, as well as the breakthrough of decades of the strengthening line of defense of the Armenians, sharply undermined their fighting spirit. Given the quantity and quality of weapons purchased by Azerbaijan, the Armenian fortifications will be destroyed from a safe distance. It’s a pity only young guys from both sides, no one will return their lives. Therefore, I wish politicians to come to an agreement and solve everything peacefully.
    1. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik April 26 2016 16: 12
      +4
      "It's a pity only the young guys from both sides, no one will return their lives."

      Just humanly thanks for such words
  5. 13 warrior
    13 warrior April 26 2016 12: 43
    +11
    And here I have questions. Provocative should be noted. Now grab the minuses, well, yes, okay ...))
    Why are Azerbaijanis and Armenians enemies in Karabakh, and on the territory of the Russian Federation it seems to be like the other way around? And will the war in Karabakh involve a showdown between ethnic groups in Russia? Or are these guys only making money for war?
    1. gray smeet
      gray smeet April 26 2016 12: 45
      +3
      Quote: 13 warrior
      And here I have questions. Provocative should be noted. Now grab the minuses, well, yes, okay ...))
      Why are Azerbaijanis and Armenians enemies in Karabakh, and on the territory of the Russian Federation it seems to be like the other way around? And will the war in Karabakh involve a showdown between ethnic groups in Russia? Or are these guys only making money for war?


      And why are you cons? the question is not idle ...
      1. Silhouette
        Silhouette April 26 2016 13: 00
        +9
        Not quite right. On the territory of Russia, Armenians and Azerbaijanis maintain cold neutrality and try not to communicate and not intersect. This is monitored by communities and fraternities.
      2. Silhouette
        Silhouette April 26 2016 13: 00
        0
        Not quite right. On the territory of Russia, Armenians and Azerbaijanis maintain cold neutrality and try not to communicate and not intersect. This is monitored by communities and fraternities.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz April 26 2016 18: 46
          +3
          Quote: Silhouette
          On the territory of Russia, Armenians and Azerbaijanis maintain cold neutrality and try not to communicate and not intersect.

          who told you this nonsense ??
          Over the day before yesterday 5 Azerbaijanis were at the wedding of the Armenians and lit better than the Armenians themselves.
          Quote: Silhouette
          This is followed by communities and fraternities.

          WHAT WHAT ???? These communities and fraternities do not decide anything or decree to anyone. Neither the Armenians nor the Azerbaijanis.
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets April 26 2016 12: 51
      0
      Quote: 13 warrior
      on the territory of the Russian Federation, sort of like and vice versa?

      Who told you that? request
    3. Stavros
      Stavros April 26 2016 13: 13
      +3
      And with what fright should there be a showdown in Russia? Who wants to fight, let him go and fight for health at home.
    4. Yeraz
      Yeraz April 26 2016 18: 49
      +2
      Quote: 13 warrior
      Why are Azerbaijanis and Armenians enemies in Karabakh, and on the territory of the Russian Federation it seems to be like the other way around?

      There is no point here. It’s better not to conflict, but to cooperate forces against local fascists. They do not care if you are Armenian or Azerbaijani, all on one face. Therefore, the conflict is only to the detriment.
      Quote: 13 warrior
      And will the war in Karabakh involve a showdown between ethnic groups in Russia?

      If there are big sacrifices, it will entail major clashes. Here people will not survive, even the most calm representatives of these nations.
      1. co-creator
        co-creator April 26 2016 20: 49
        +1
        Quote: Yeraz
        It is better not to conflict, but to cooperate forces against local fascists.

        This is not there. Maybe isolated cases.
        If you were against the fascists, then you would be welcomed as local relatives. I will say one thing, you need to hand over your criminals and people will reach for you.
        Quote: Yeraz
        If there are big sacrifices, it will entail major clashes. Here people will not survive, even the most calm representatives of these nations.

        This will be the end of the diasporas in the Russian Federation. You will be cleaned immediately.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz April 26 2016 22: 28
          +3
          Quotation: blooded man
          This is not there. Maybe isolated cases.

          no, they just became different. A year ago, he fought with the Nazis in the subway. And they were dressed as rappers. And you go nuts after finding out why I had a fight with them)))
          Quotation: blooded man
          If you spoke out against the fascists, then you would be accepted as native by the locals

          And what are we hanging out with the Nazis. In general, in the Caucasus, the concept of fascism is already associated with the Russians. Everyone remembers the 90s and May, when our parents did not let us take our children to the streets, because the Nazis celebrated Hitler’s birthday)))
          Quotation: blooded man
          This will be the end of the diasporas in the Russian Federation. You will be cleaned immediately.

          I have already explained here that there are no diasporas in Russia, much less the influence of the diaspora on the people living here.
          There will be mostly isolated cases, developing into collisions in which riot police will win)))))
          1. co-creator
            co-creator April 27 2016 03: 52
            0
            Quote: Yeraz
            A year ago, he fought with the Nazis in the subway. And they were dressed like rappers. And you are awesome to find out why I had a fight with them)))

            My friends, this winter, fought with the Armenians dressed as people and you are awesome to find out why. Although no, you aren’t awesome, the reason is banal for Armenians. Can you say that my friends are fascists?

            Quote: Yeraz

            And what are we hanging out with the Nazis. In general, in the Caucasus, the concept of fascism is already associated with the Russians. Everyone remembers the 90s and May, when our parents did not let us take our children to the streets, because the Nazis celebrated Hitler’s birthday)))

            In the Russian Federation there are no fascists, there are Nazis.
            Yes, do not hang out, you just mess with ordinary citizens, and with the Nazis you have the usual skirmishes. I will not say for you, since in our city there is little Azeri, but I will answer for the Armenians for sure.
            Well, on August 2, markets also closed earlier, so what? Should I cry? Nazi in the 90s is a response to the Caucasus lawlessness and persecution of Russians in your countries. This is of course very bad. that people could get organized under Nazi flags, but then there was porridge in the head of the people. Seichas Nazis are no more lumpen. Those whom you call fascists are no different from your fascists who have the same opinion about Rus.
            Quote: Yeraz
            I have already explained here that there are no diasporas in Russia, much less the influence of the diaspora on the people living here.
            There will be mostly isolated cases, developing into collisions in which riot police will win)))))

            Excuse me, do you think where I live? In America?)) Why convince me of things about which I know very well. Diasporas are also very organized. You can call them differently if you want. Moreover, they even threaten the authorities sometimes, and the authorities periodically clean them carefully.
            What do single mean? One on one? Two by two? Or maybe, like in Moscow, a crowd is periodically confusing using weapons? If as in the third case, then you will be cleaned. All non-citizens of the Russian Federation try to return to their homeland and at the same time ethnic groups.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz April 27 2016 17: 03
              0
              Quotation: blooded man
              Can you say that my friends are fascists?

              Everything rests on the cause. I fought a lot with the Russian guys, but they were not fascists, they were just ordinary women, but these were concrete fascists.

              Quotation: blooded man
              In the Russian Federation there are no fascists, there are Nazis.

              I know perfectly well what Natsik is and what fascists are. And in May, the Fascists took to the streets shouting at Hitler Hitler, marking HIS birthday.
              Quotation: blooded man
              Yes, you’re not hanging out, you’re just messing about ordinary citizens,

              Don’t tell, everyone in our region was friendly. And the fascists were kicked out of the region in the early 2000s and everything became perfect in general.
              Quotation: blooded man
              Well, on August 2, markets also closed earlier, so what? Should I cry?

              No, for me it’s a shame of epaulettes when the military of a certain unit goes out, gets drunk in the trash, jumps into the fountain and messes around. Those Russian officers who taught me absolutely do not get in touch with the behavior of these savages in a form that disgraces him. Although not all of them, I have a couple of friends among them and they don’t allow themselves that.

              Quotation: blooded man
              persecution of Russians in your countries

              This was not the case in Baku, even a couple of Russians and Baku confirmed it. The Russians still live in Azerbaijan and, unlike other republics, I KNOW the GOVERNMENT LANGUAGE and what are the PERFECTION and are fully integrated into the society.

              Quotation: blooded man
              What do single mean? One on one? Two by two?

              Yes. What will lead to the already crowd on the crowd.
              Quotation: blooded man
              Or maybe, like in Moscow, a crowd is periodically confusing using weapons?

              By the way, in this regard, our Peter is a much more calm city, Moscow, that Azerbaijanis, that Armenians, that Russians are more tense and wild, or something.
              Quotation: blooded man
              Diasporas are also very organized

              Let me, a person who is well acquainted with the structure of the diaspora, knows what kind of people are sitting there, how they achieved these riches when 2 of my relatives held a position of the head of diasporas for a certain period. These are just empty organizations. They are nothing !!!
              Fully controlled by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB, the leaders at the head of these diasporas, the authority among people is 0000000. They try to get to the post of head of the diaspora purely because of their status. Like Head of the Diaspora, some city.
              Quotation: blooded man
              All non-citizens of the Russian Federation tries to return to their homeland.

              Not citizens, and so if they quickly dump them. This is a fashion. In Azerbaijan, a person dunked quickly run to the Russian Federation. In the Russian Federation dunked quickly in Baku)))
              Quotation: blooded man
              at the same time ethnic groups.

              These certainly will not kill each other on this basis, with rare exceptions. They will do their own thing.
              1. co-creator
                co-creator April 27 2016 21: 27
                0
                [quote = Yeraz] It all comes down to the reason. I fought a lot with the Russian guys, but they were not fascists, they were just ordinary women, but these were concrete fascists. [/ quote]
                How do you define fascists? If you beat me and kneel down (there are such videos in net, for example, when you do this after an honest fight) and at the same time say a Russian pig on your knees. Is this a fascist? I just want to understand who you call the fascists.
                The reason is about the same as in me they wrote in the letter, only because it is like an Armenian parking lot and everyone knows about it. Well, instead of a dialogue of insults. The usual Caucasian behavior in general, specifically here is Armenian.


                [quote = Yeraz] And in May, the Fascists shouted to Hitler Hitler, marking HIS birthday. [/ quote]
                So these are the Nazis. Hitler is a Nazi in the first place. In the Russian Federation, the fascist movement has not been around for 15-20 years.


                [quote = Yeraz] Don’t tell everyone in the area was friendly. And the fascists were kicked out of the area in the early 2000s and everything became perfect [/ quote]
                We here from the village of Caucasians survived and everything became perfect. I don’t know how these Caucasians differed from the Nazis. Although, of course, they were all newcomers, and local people of Caucasian nationality both lived and live
                .
                [quote = Yeraz] No, for me it’s a shame in pursuit when the military of a certain unit goes out, gets drunk in the trash, jumps into the fountain and unlimited. [/ quote]
                Sorry, but it’s not up to you what disgraces the epaulette and what doesn’t. DRINKING AT ALL is BAD, although on such a day it is not a sin. The main thing is not to pester anyone and the right not to download. Swimming in the fountain is a tradition, another thing is that you need to swim sober.
                [quote = Yeraz] This was not the case in Baku, here even a couple of Russians from Baku confirmed this. / quote]
                It was everywhere. You may not admit, it only means that you are weak and do not want to admit the obvious.
                [quote = Yeraz] Let me, a person who is well acquainted with the structure of the diaspora [/ quote]
                I don’t care who sits where. Diaspora is a national onclave. the common kotoryi protects its people whether it is right or not. Naturally. that normal people in all ways will avoid participating in the diaspora.
                [quote = Yeraz] These are just empty organizations. They are nothing !!! [/ quote]
                THESE NOBODY AND ANYTHING THREATEN THE AUTHORITIES of the Russian Federation. For example, after the incident with the pogrom of Azeris in Moscow when they killed a Russian guy.

                [quote = Yeraz] Not citizens, and so if they screwed up quickly topple. [/ quote]
                They will send everyone regardless whether you mowed or not. As after 08.08.08 with Georgians, it will only be tougher.
                [quote = Yeraz] These certainly will not kill each other on this basis, with rare exceptions. They will do their own thing. [/ quote]
                This is clear. that bandits do not care for all these matters, they just fall under the distribution, too.
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz April 27 2016 22: 34
                  0
                  Quotation: blooded man
                  THESE NOBODY AND ANYTHING THREATEN THE AUTHORITIES of the Russian Federation. For example, after the incident with the pogrom of Azeris in Moscow when they killed a Russian guy.

                  But who is threatening anyone ??? The leaders of these diasporas ??? I tell you, I know very well who these people are and how they achieved these riches. They are covered by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB. They are people of power. The influence among their countrymen is 000000.
                  The head of the cultural autonomy of St. Petersburg, in general, moves with the card of employees of private security of the Ministry of Internal Affairs accompanied by machine gunners. And their whole business is connected with the highest echelons in the state ve. And they own not factories, but factories and factories in various sectors of the economy, even in the military-industrial complex .
                  Quotation: blooded man
                  I don’t know how these Caucasians differed from the Nazis. Although, of course, they were all newcomers, and local people of Caucasian nationality both lived and live
                  .

                  probably nothing, since the local Caucasians lived normally, but there were problems with these.
                  1. co-creator
                    co-creator April 28 2016 00: 54
                    +1
                    Under the Ministry of Internal Affairs, they or not. but the fact of the threats was voiced through the media. Like, if you don’t calm the locals, we will raise our own and there will be a massacre. Can such things be said by a man who has no influence and is completely controlled by the Ministry of Internal Affairs? I doubt.
                    The diaspora for me is primarily people who live apart according to their laws and consider them higher than the laws of the state. For this, the official body and the position of the head of the diaspora are not needed. For example, they do not believe that crimes committed by members of these diasporas against local people are considered a crime. I’ll say right away. what I primarily mean Armenians, since there are many of them in my city and they settled here after the WWII. But judging by the news, this is the case with all Caucasian diasporas.
                    In fact, diasporas oppose themselves to local people, which is very bad.
          2. co-creator
            co-creator April 27 2016 21: 36
            +2
            Quote: Yeraz
            In general, the concept of fascism in the Caucasus is already associated with the Russians.

            Do you know who the Caucasians in Russia are associated with? Maybe you should look at yourself and understand why such a relationship is with you. instead of hiding in the house calling Russian fascists bully It is not clear why you come from a country that is the birthplace of these fascists.
  6. 13 warrior
    13 warrior April 26 2016 12: 47
    +3
    Quote: gray smeet
    Quote: 13 warrior
    And here I have questions. Provocative should be noted. Now grab the minuses, well, yes, okay ...))
    Why are Azerbaijanis and Armenians enemies in Karabakh, and on the territory of the Russian Federation it seems to be like the other way around? And will the war in Karabakh involve a showdown between ethnic groups in Russia? Or are these guys only making money for war?


    And why are you cons? the question is not idle ...

    Anything can happen, the audience is different. I have experience ...))
  7. krops777
    krops777 April 26 2016 12: 52
    +1
    This is what Yeltsin's short-sightedness and carelessness led to, when dividing the territory it was necessary to scrupulously approach each problematic "place", then it was possible to agree, and now corrections are given at a very high price.
    1. Olezhek
      April 26 2016 15: 01
      +1
      What does Yeltsin have to do with it ??
      With whom could he agree?
  8. Wolverine
    Wolverine April 26 2016 13: 00
    0
    This is an eternal conflict with temporary and variable success, it is like an ebb-tide. The period of calm until new exacerbations of the disease was a bit bogged down, as in ward number 6.
  9. Chisayna
    Chisayna April 26 2016 13: 02
    +2
    You will come to the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug or to Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, where there are a lot of azevs and Armenians. Az-ev fruits and vegetables, eateries. Armenians have shops, barbecue. When you ask them about Karabakh, they say: net there is war, ne will go, Here, byznes. Of course they better stay in Russia, in the European part, in St. Petersburg for example.
  10. Good cat
    Good cat April 26 2016 13: 02
    0
    Yes, and not a question, but a ready statement, I think it is.
  11. Stavros
    Stavros April 26 2016 13: 03
    +1
    That’s all, Mr. Egorov, it’s sure that he can be on the black list of Azerbaijan, after this article))). Gentlemen, the Cavatar marshals will rush to look for maps of the existence of Azerbaijan on ancient maps. So we are waiting for the map)))
    1. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik April 26 2016 16: 09
      +3
      It was said: do not mark the beads in front of the pigs. Let him seek them ... no, he won’t, it’s not profitable.
      1. Stavros
        Stavros April 26 2016 16: 31
        +2
        So the man was looking for, but couldn’t find. Maybe you can help him, bring this evidence, refute the author, and shut your mouths to Armenians. But it’s strange how it turns out, shout that the Armenians are new, but on the maps Armenia is, we hear from yours, that you’re indigenous, but you can’t show some kind of card in the dock. It’s awkward
        1. co-creator
          co-creator April 26 2016 17: 59
          +3
          Crimea Russian land or not?

          Newcomers Azerbaijanis or not it does not matter. The fact is that at the time of the accession of the NKR and today's Armenia, the lands were in the Ros. empires Armenians accounted for 10-20% of the population. Our kings began to populate these lands with Armenians to counter the Turks, which was their main mistake. It was necessary to resettle the Pontian Greeks there.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz April 26 2016 18: 53
            +2
            Quotation: blooded man
            It was necessary to resettle the Pontian Greeks there.

            By the way, about the Greeks. The Greeks of the North Caucasus appeared in the circle of communication. And the paradox they speak is a mixture of Turkish and even more Azerbaijani and at the same time they don’t speak Greek. But pure Greeks and Orthodox, and Greek appearance. I thought they grew up in a Turkic environment, no. It just happened in the family. Probably the Greeks decided to come from Turkey. And in that region, before Ataturk’s language reform, Turkish was like the current Azerbaijani.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator April 26 2016 19: 16
              +4
              Quote: Yeraz
              Probably the Greeks decided to migrate from Turkey. And in that region, before the Ataturk language reform, Turkish was like the current Azerbaijani.

              A lot of Ponyite Greeks adopted Turkic culture, and even with the Greeks from Greece themselves they were connected only by nationality and religion.
              As I understand it, the Pontian Greeks from the Turks before the WWII did not have any particular problems, they lived quite peacefully. Unlike the Armenians, they never claimed to be the only inhabitants where they lived.
              I think that if the Greeks settled, then you could easily live together with them.
              1. Stavros
                Stavros April 26 2016 19: 35
                +1
                They didn’t accept it, but they had to change their faith and other things. You listen to the Turks so fluffy peace people. So we heard the bad Armenians from you. And why did they cut the Pontians, did the Assyrians cut the Turks for?
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator April 26 2016 20: 01
                  +6
                  Quote: Stavros
                  They did not accept, but were forced to change their faith and so on.

                  Why forced? They lived among the Türks and adopted their culture, but retained faith, as, for example, different peoples accept Russian culture in our country. Of course there were those who were forcing. but this is already at the beginning of the 20th century.
                  Quote: Stavros
                  Listen to you so Turks are such a fluffy peace-loving people. We have heard bad Armenians from you

                  Turks are still animals, but Armenians are worse with 100 times. Will explain. Turks do not pour in our ears. that they are our brothers and friends forever and swear eternal friendship. They are our geopolitical rivals AND YOU ALWAYS KNOW WHOSE they are on the side of.
                  Armenians, on the contrary, love us in words very much, but in life they despise us. We are for them just those on whom you can earn loot and hide from enemies. Talk to any Armenian and he will show you. that the Russians betrayed the Armenians without conquering Great Armenia for them and they did not care that we had a civil warrior then. I’m generally silent about the behavior of Armenians in everyday life. I do not like traitors most of all.


                  Quote: Stavros
                  But why did they cut the Pontians, the Assyrians why did the Turks cut them out?

                  My opinion is that the Turks burn in hell and they were just lucky that the Russian Empire fell apart. Therefore, I say it was necessary to save the Pontian Greeks, not Armenians.
              2. Yeraz
                Yeraz April 26 2016 19: 44
                +4
                Quotation: blooded man
                I think that if the Greeks settled, then you could easily live together with them.

                Well, the Baku Armenians, a lot of words in use are Azerbaijani. And the joke is what. They say, and we also have this word. I say yes, it can’t be, it’s a purely Turkic word. They, but we have it. is another word. And so on many indicators.
                I called this phenomenon without conscious appropriation)) When the parents living in the Turkic environment got used to these words and at home they also say and the children are sure that these are their native words))
            2. Stavros
              Stavros April 26 2016 19: 26
              +2
              Eraz, in Georgia there was an area of ​​compact Greek residence. Some villages spoke Turkish, because they changed their language but not faith, others spoke Pontic. Somehow we went to Greece through Turkey, so the Turks freely understood them when they started a conversation.
          2. Stavros
            Stavros April 26 2016 18: 57
            +1
            Well, you give, it doesn’t matter whether you are newcomers or not. And what's the difference how many percent were Armenians, the fact is that they always lived there. The Bolsheviks made the main mistake, they liked to give land and draw borders, so now people came to to such a finale. How easy it is for you to resettle peoples, not Pontians so Armenians, but what the hell will happen to them.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator April 26 2016 19: 28
              +4
              Quote: Stavros
              Well, you give, it doesn’t matter whether they are newcomers or not. And what difference does it make how many percent were Armenians, the fact is that they always lived there.

              Well, let's give Crimea to the Greeks, Peter the Finns, Baikal to the Mongols. The same garbage turns out. I say again that before the advent of the Republic of Ingushetia, Armenians in these lands were 20%. At what the Turks did not expel them from there, but came to empty lands. Then they did not kill the Armenians, they did not drive them out because they had different economic niches, but as soon as the kings began to populate these lands with the Armenians, they began to seize the Turks' pastures and drive them out under the protection of the army of the Republic of Ingushetia. This is not fiction. but the facts.
              Quote: Stavros
              The Bolsheviks made the main mistake, they liked to give land and draw borders, so now people have come to such an end

              I do not argue.
              Quote: Stavros
              How easy it is for you to resettle peoples, not Armenians so Pontians, but what the hell will happen to them.

              Of course it's easy. RI was faced with the task of protecting its possessions from the Turks and separating them from the Transcaucasian Tatars (Azerbaijanis). For this, Christians had to be settled in the Yerevan Khanate. It would be more profitable for Russia to invite the Greeks, but the Armenian lobbyists broke through their own. Geopolitics.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz April 26 2016 19: 40
                +5
                Quotation: blooded man
                . It would be more profitable for Russia to invite the Greeks, but the Armenian lobbyists broke through their own. Geopolitics.

                Greeks are more mentally closer to Russia than Armenians.
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator April 26 2016 19: 48
                  +5
                  Quote: Yeraz

                  Greeks are more mentally closer to Russia than Armenians.

                  Of course the Greeks are closer. Armenians, if in fact we consider not even brothers in faith as Greeks. They have their own separate church.
                  It’s just that the Armenians are more cunning ... they know how to bribe, enter trust in the political elites of other countries. Where the Armenians live, they always have a very strong lobby.
                  1. Stavros
                    Stavros April 26 2016 20: 08
                    +1
                    Judging by your words, the cunningly lucky Lavrov bribed someone there and became the head of the Foreign Ministry.
                    1. co-creator
                      co-creator April 26 2016 20: 32
                      +4
                      Quote: Stavros
                      Judging by your words, it’s cunning. Ivy Lavrov bribed someone there and became the Foreign Minister

                      Why exaggerate everything? So Lavrov is very cunning .., not for nothing that he is one of the best Foreign Ministers laughing
                      Hitrojo .. not a bad trait. You just look around. Armenian local communities in the Russian Federation have communications everywhere from the police to the local administration. Well, people can do what you can do.
    2. Weyland
      Weyland April 26 2016 22: 59
      -2
      Quote: Stavros
      the existence of Azerbaijan on ancient maps.


      There he is, there is - under the name "Atropatena", and a little younger than Armenia. Only here is the sadness: it is located entirely to sub from Kura, i.e. in the territory of the present Iran (where and now Ostans of West and East Azerbaijan safely exist laughing . And the Turks in those parts appeared a century that way in 3m-4m, moreover, the Huns, which the present Azeri have never ancestors! laughing
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  12. driver
    driver April 26 2016 13: 04
    0
    And, I wonder, who knows the real losses on both sides? Enlighten ...
    1. Olezhek
      April 26 2016 13: 55
      0
      Who knows, he himself is in losses ...
    2. the finish
      the finish April 26 2016 14: 12
      +1
      Do not be lazy to read ...
      http://www.kavkazoved.info/news/2016/04/25/nekotorye-voenno-politicheskie-aspekt
      y-chetyrehdnevnoj-vojny-v-nagornom-karabahe.html
      http://ru.aravot.am/2016/04/25/207838/
      http://www.mk.ru/politics/2016/04/24/otec-mirnogo-soglasheniya-po-nagornomu-kara
      bakhu-rasskazal-kogda-perestanut-strelyat.html
      https://tvrain.ru/teleshow/here_and_now/azerbajdzhanskih_zhurnalistov_nazvali_na
      tspredateljami-408142 /
      1. ramin_serg
        ramin_serg April 26 2016 14: 25
        +2
        read the full
        1. Knizhnik
          Knizhnik April 26 2016 15: 22
          +2
          I agree, nonsense. Interestingly, is this really ignorance, or so, pretends to be?
          1. mariusdeayeraleone
            mariusdeayeraleone 26 October 2017 20: 45
            +2
            He laughed. Didn’t he understand that the Armenians did not have a maternal rear?)))
  13. Rock_n_roll
    Rock_n_roll April 26 2016 13: 13
    -5
    Very competent and convincing. But the words still can not be avoided, because literacy is not in vogue now :)
  14. black
    black April 26 2016 13: 14
    +1
    And I warned, even then. A war for a couple of days and barbecue.
    1. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik April 26 2016 15: 27
      +1
      smile It may look so from the outside, but in reality it was just a tough response to the shelling that had already begun to hesitate. Serious offensives were not planned, and world authorities would not allow it.
      1. Olezhek
        April 26 2016 15: 38
        +1
        Serious offensive is not planned, and the world authorities would not allow.


        If "fast", then you can.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz April 26 2016 18: 56
          +4
          Quote: Olezhek
          If "fast", then you can.

          So it rests on the goal. To return all lands ?? Azerbaijan does not have that overwhelming power to return all lands quickly, even under an ideal set of circumstances.
          It’s possible to return some area. But this goal wasn’t set. Even looking at these 4 days, small forces were evidently involved and the leadership was clearly not aimed at a full-scale offensive.


  15. Bruss
    Bruss April 26 2016 13: 32
    +7
    Just returned from Armenia. Zadolbali to me to poke that you are selling Russian weapons to Azerbaijan! And an interesting phrase sounded - if not for NATO, then we would have been cut out a long time ago. I did not ask again. But a bit ... got away from this information!
    1. shans2
      shans2 April 26 2016 14: 29
      +2
      D. B (s) Lavrov.
    2. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu April 26 2016 17: 04
      -2
      Quote: bruss
      if not NATO
      Here, it is thought not so much of NATO, they are afraid of more sanctions. Illustrative examples of Russia and Iran, countries with much greater economic and political weight.
      There were small sanctions against Moscow, and the effect is so revealing ..
      Tehran 3-4 year lasted and took the path of compromise.
      It is clear that if they introduce at least a ban on the purchase of oil and gas from Azerbaijan ...
      Just an opinion - maybe wrong ..
      1. co-creator
        co-creator April 26 2016 18: 03
        +3
        Quote: Alibekulu
        There were small sanctions against Moscow, and the effect is so revealing ..

        Excuse me, what is the effect of the sanction? Have you started your industry?
        Quote: Alibekulu
        Tehran 3-4 year lasted and took the path of compromise.

        Tehran, under sanctions, they did not agree for a long time, since the nuclear and missile programs have not been phased out and are continuing in full.
      2. Olezhek
        April 26 2016 20: 27
        0
        How be a good example ...
        1. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu April 28 2016 09: 21
          0
          Quote: Olezhek
          How be a good example ...
          So Olezhek, I missed something repeat ?! Russia turned off Oyropé gas, and the EU canceled
          sanctions.. lol ?
          1. Olezhek
            April 28 2016 13: 39
            0
            There were small sanctions against Moscow, and the effect is so revealing ..


            1 First of all, don't la-la about "small sanctions" - these friends did everything they could.
            Russia was suddenly and completely cut off from credit resources.
            Closed all that is possible.
            In this case, payments on loans Russia had to carry out in full.
            Nevertheless, the Russian economy and finance survived and Russia paid off loans.
            So I wonder what would happen in this situation with the same Germany or Japan ??
            About Kazakhstan, I just do not ask.


            2 What is the indicative effect?
            Russia returned Crimea to Ukraine? Stopped supporting Donbass? Did you stop supporting Assad?
            Where is the effect? What is the "so revealing effect"?


            did I miss something


            How are you all missed ...
          2. Olezhek
            April 28 2016 13: 42
            0
            So Olezhek, I missed something


            The meaning of the picture (if you need a translation)

            Europays were sent where the sun does not look with their sanctions.
            They think right now - what to do ...
            Thinking is good.
  16. alicante11
    alicante11 April 26 2016 13: 39
    +4
    Mountains ... mountains. And I will remind you of such an operation as the battle of Caporetto. When the Germans von Belova with some hindrance from the Austrians managed to defeat the Italian army in the mountains and, going out onto the plain, almost surrounded the entire army of Italians on Isonzo. The defeat in the mountains led to the collapse of the entire Italian front and the loss of Italy’s vast territory.
    What did the Germans wage in the mountains just a maneuver war, while the Italians were sitting on their impregnable mountain positions, which were impossible to take even with the help of gas attacks. But the result, as they say, the Italians - on the face. So, it’s just that Azerbaijanis do not grow their hands from the wrong place. Correctly said - a third world country. That's where the real gas station country is.
    1. Olezhek
      April 26 2016 14: 02
      0
      Thanks for the help - did not know.
      I will get acquainted with this operation.

      What does the Germans waged in the mountains just a war of maneuver


      Well, if the Azerbaijanis "upgrade" to the Prussians - then yes!
      am
      am



      Serzh Sargsyan woke up, wiped cold sweat, rolled over and snored as if nothing had happened ...
  17. Odysseus
    Odysseus April 26 2016 13: 56
    0
    That's right, I have been saying this for a long time to both our Armenian and Azerbaijani friends. The war in Karabakh is an absolute dead end. We must come to an agreement and reach a peace agreement.
    Karabakh, in fact, is a mountain fortified area. It can be taken either by an army with absolute superiority in the air (such as the United States) or well trained and insensitive to losses (such as the DPRK).
    But Azerbaijan, with all due respect, is not the United States or North Korea. They cannot take Karabakh.
    PS The only thing about a third world country is too much. Azerbaijan is still a post-Soviet republic, and not a territory controlled by the United States (like Ukraine or the Baltic states).
    1. Olezhek
      April 26 2016 14: 08
      0
      PS The only thing about a third world country is too much. Azerbaijan is still a post-Soviet republic, and not a territory controlled by the United States (like Ukraine or the Baltic states).


      I'm not so much about politics, but about state of the art society and, as a consequence, the army (the army is always a part of society).
      This is the root of the problem of "not taking Karabakh". request
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus April 26 2016 14: 40
        0
        Quote: Olezhek

        I’m not so much about politics, but about the level of development of society and, as a result, the army (the army is always a part of society).

        Of course, there is an interconnection, but it is not direct. There were societies in the history of mankind with a very low general level of development, but with a strong army. It was the other way around.
        For example, the Mongol-Tatars-level of development of society is not so hot, the army is the strongest. Or, on the contrary, Italy is in the 19-20 century. It seems to be a fairly developed country, and its army was the subject of general jokes and ridicule. They even managed to lose to Greece, and with great labor (and even not to the end) defeated the unarmed Ethiopians.
  18. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik April 26 2016 16: 02
    0
    Let us leave aside the obvious bias of the author - on his conscience, as they say.
    Obvious nonsense about writing, the "third world" and so on - I don't even want to comment, let him read books on history. I'm not even talking about the standard of living.

    Who scare the mountains? Azerbaijan is a flat country ??? Victim of the exam ... Yes, look at the map, which the author really did not find, otherwise he would not be so disgraced (I hope). Azerbaijanis and Armenians lived in Karabakh, until someone started a feud, and they were expelled from there. Be sure that in Azerbaijan refugees and their descendants will never forget this.
    The occupied lands have long been the subject of extortion from Armenia, different figures are named. Azerbaijan will never agree to a deal with such state-scale banditry. Why does the Armenian leadership need so much money, moreover, "in cash", and not as an investment for the restoration of war-affected territories, for example? Buy off the main "sponsors" - the diaspora in the United States, which has long been controlled by the State Department? Wash off to an island in the Pacific Ocean? So after all, they will find there, you cannot buy off everyone.
    Azerbaijan doesn’t care how many tanks and artillery. There are no territorial claims against Armenia and cannot be.
    1. Olezhek
      April 26 2016 18: 57
      0
      Who are you scaring by mountains? Be sure that refugees and their descendants in Azerbaijan will never forget this.
      The occupied lands have long been the subject of extortion by Armenia, various figures are mentioned. Azerbaijan will never make a deal with such state-level banditry.


      I see what I see.
      And I see that over the past 25 years, Azerbaijan has not been able to win anything in the military field.
      So it goes.
      Be realistic.

      Obvious nonsense about writing, the "third world" and so on - I don't even want to comment, let him read books on history. I'm not even talking about the standard of living.


      And what have the standard of living?
      Saudi Arabia lives better than Azerbaijan, BUT it is the third world.
      And she has no army, although she spends HOW RUSSIA spends on defense request
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz April 26 2016 19: 47
        +3
        Quote: Olezhek
        And I see that over the past 25 years, Azerbaijan has not been able to win anything in the military field.

        hmm it turns out there was a war and Azerbaijan lost))))
        There was nothing besides sniper shootings and the RDG movement.
        Everything more fun began with the appointment of the new Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan. And the helicopter was shot down. And in 4 days the tanks were destroyed, broke through the first line and captured several heights, which greatly facilitated the situation at the front.
        1. Olezhek
          April 26 2016 20: 30
          0
          hmm it turns out there was a war and Azerbaijan lost))))


          about xnumx percents of territory ...

          Like yes ... and something wrong?
          1. Fatih88
            Fatih88 April 26 2016 20: 38
            +3
            Are you on purpose? )) He wanted to say after the reconciliation of 1994 until this day there was a war? Because reading your koment, you might think that we have fought several times over the past 20 years)))
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus April 26 2016 21: 22
        +1
        Quote: Olezhek
        And I see that over the past 25 years, Azerbaijan has not been able to win anything in the military field.
        So it goes.
        Be realistic.

        Unfortunately, even by the reaction to your article, you can easily notice that both parties are not going to compromise.
        Some (Azerbaijanis) have been saying for 22 years that they will beat Karabakh, without any results, of course.
        Others (Armenians) do not want to give even 7 regions of Azerbaijan besides Karabakh and threaten to take Ganja. They also accuse us for selling weapons to Azerbaijan.
        It remains only to sadly sigh and watch from the side of how mass youth perishes in a meaningless (that is, without a military solution) war.
      3. Knizhnik
        Knizhnik April 27 2016 09: 09
        +3
        "Be realistic" does it mean "forget the land and the lost"? Is this realism ???
    2. Weyland
      Weyland April 26 2016 23: 20
      0
      Quote: Knizhnik
      Who scare the mountains? Azerbaijan is a flat country ??? Victim of the exam ... Yes, look at the map, which the author really did not find, otherwise he would not be so disgraced (I hope).


      Apart from Karabakh itself - 80 percent is still flat. And the main tidy is that the mountainous regions are populated by Talysh (whose independence you drowned in blood a quarter of a century ago) and Lezgins (dreaming of sovereign Lezgistan - and whose Armenians, Essno, actively support separatism). Are you sure that the Talysh and Lezghins are eager to die for Karabakh to return to the RAz? Me not!

      PS I hate double standards! Can anybody distinctly explain why Moldova, Ukraine, Georgia and Azerbaijan have the right to sovereignty, but Transnistria, the LPR and the DPR, South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Karabakh - not? By the way, the Georgians are not the first to attack this rake: when they tried to sovereign from Iran and stumble upon Russia, Iran was especially enraged by their attempt to take away your Shusha as well. As a result, during the ruin of Tbilisi in 1795, it was precisely the Shushin people who committed atrocities ... We were too kind, Russians - 08.08.08 did not begin to take Tbilisi and bring Ossetian units there! But in vain!
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz April 26 2016 23: 48
        0
        Quote: Weyland
        Are you sure that the Talysh and Lezghins are eager to die for Karabakh to return to the RAz? Me not!

        Yes, I'm sure. You do not know anything about Talysh and Lezgins. For fun, take an interest in how many Lezgins are in the building of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, more than half Lezgins. And this is not infantry, these are officers in the majority. They are all Azerbaijanis exactly the same as the Turks of Azerbaijan. And they love Armenians are exactly the same as the Turks of Azerbaijan.
        Quote: Weyland
        We are too kind, Russians - 08.08.08 did not begin to take Tbilisi and Ossetian units to enter there! But in vain!

        Do you think it was out of kindness? You are very naive)
        1. Weyland
          Weyland April 27 2016 00: 11
          0
          Quote: Yeraz
          You do not know anything about Talysh and Lezgins.



          / I think I know more than you. In particular, that they both inhabit this region for at least 25 centuries - unlike Azeri. And most importantly, those Talysh and Lezghins with whom I personally had to communicate are well aware of the antiquity of their peoples - and they regard Azeri as occupiers! Perhaps my sample is not representative - I talked only with those Talysh and Lezghins who live in the Moscow Region, and not in the RAz. But here they have nothing to fear, and they can speak directly!
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz April 27 2016 01: 28
            +2
            Quote: Weyland
            unlike Azeri

            there is no Azeri nation in the world !! There are Turks of Azerbaijan.
            Quote: Weyland
            Perhaps my sample is not representative - I talked only with those Talysh and Lezghins who live in the Moscow Region, and not in the RA

            I’ll have more communication. And basically it’s Talysh and Lezghins living in Russia and born here. From 10-1 it falls into your category. But even this one does not like Armenians and will gladly go to kill them.
            And in Azerbaijan it is already difficult to understand who is Talysh or Lezgin. Everyone gathered in Baku. And if the older generation kept their blood clean, the young completely mixed up.
            And now 1 of such Talysh families, which distanced itself from Azerbaijan, eventually gave out 2 of 3 daughters from an Azerbaijani Turk.
            1. Knizhnik
              Knizhnik April 27 2016 09: 24
              +1
              Lezgins and Talysh retain their identity, but my Lezgin friend married an Azerbaijani Turk girl who, out of respect, learned his language and customs, my relative is married to Talysh. International organizations urge to learn multiculturalism from Azerbaijan, and here someone uninformed decided to quarrel us smile
            2. Weyland
              Weyland April 27 2016 21: 24
              0
              Quote: Yeraz
              there is no Azeri nation in the world !! There are Turks of Azerbaijan.


              And I thought that there is Turks Azerbaijan - Afshars, Kara-Koyunlu, Ak-Koyunlu ... In the Russian language (and the difference, say, from English), it is still customary to distinguish between words Turk и Turk
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz April 27 2016 22: 35
                0
                Quote: Weyland
                And I thought that there are Turks of Azerbaijan - Afshars, Kara-Koyunlu, Ak-Koyunlu ... In Russian (and the difference, say, from English), it is still customary to distinguish between the words of the Turks and Turk

                Well, in Russian and Tatars of all Türks were called and what ???
                In the Türkic languages ​​there is no division into Turk or Turk.
                THERE IS TURK and all.
                1. Weyland
                  Weyland April 27 2016 23: 40
                  0
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  In Türkic languages ​​there is no division into Turk or Turk. THERE IS TURK and all.


                  But you write these posts request on Russian language ...
                2. Weyland
                  Weyland April 27 2016 23: 40
                  0
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  In Türkic languages ​​there is no division into Turk or Turk. THERE IS TURK and all.


                  But you write these posts request on Russian language ...
        2. Weyland
          Weyland April 27 2016 00: 11
          -1
          Quote: Yeraz
          You do not know anything about Talysh and Lezgins.



          / I think I know more than you. In particular, that they both inhabit this region for at least 25 centuries - unlike Azeri. And most importantly, those Talysh and Lezghins with whom I personally had to communicate are well aware of the antiquity of their peoples - and they regard Azeri as occupiers! Perhaps my sample is not representative - I talked only with those Talysh and Lezghins who live in the Moscow Region, and not in the RAz. But here they have nothing to fear, and they can speak directly!
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus April 27 2016 00: 58
        +1
        Quote: Weyland
        Can anyone clearly explain why Moldova, Ukraine, Georgia and Azerbaijan have the right to sovereignty, but Transnistria, the LPR and the DPR, South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Karabakh?

        There are two sides to the issue, the actual and the legal.
        In fact, Transnistria and Karabakh, etc. They have the full right to independence, since actual independence is determined on the battlefield or in the course of agreements. They won / bought / agreed, and here you are, and actual independence.
        Another thing is legally. Here the question rests on the conformity of the laws at the time of separation of laws and the interpretation of this correspondence by world powers.
        All problems began with the restructuring and collapse of the USSR, but the situation of parts of the USSR was different.
        1) Moldova, Ukraine, Georgia, etc. are union republics and they were constitutionally entitled to secession.
        2) Abkhazia was the Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic when Georgia left the USSR remained in its composition, to which it had the right. Georgia has no rights to Abkhazia. However, the United States is dissatisfied with the pro-Russian policies of Abkhazia and does not recognize Abkhazia.
        3) South Ossetia was an autonomous region and did not have the right to secede from Georgia, so it was legally part of Georgia legally until 2008. It was recognized in fact as Georgian aggression.
        4) Transnistria did not exist at all as a political subject. De jure is the territory of Moldova.
        5) The LPR and the DPR are created after the coup in Ukraine. Ukraine has no rights to them, since there are no grounds for submission to the rebels. The USA does not recognize this because of the pro-Russian position of the DPR, LPR.
        6) Karabakh is an autonomous region, had no right to secede from Azerbaijan. It exited from it explicitly, therefore it is legally considered the territory of Azerbaijan. This is precisely what Azerbaijanis' claims are based on.
        1. Weyland
          Weyland April 27 2016 21: 19
          0
          Quote: Odyssey
          There are two sides to the issue, the actual and the legal.



          De jure, all these republics are illegitimate, because are vassals of the Republic of Ingushetia - and the USSR and all its laws are illegitimate in themselves, because illegitimate any government that came to power as a result of a military coup!
          By the way, in the current Russian Federation the same vile structure - the so-called asymmetric federation, vicious at the root and in principle, and with this vile legacy of the bloody regime, we still rake problems by all means do not indulge! For the legal inequality of the subjects of the federation necessarily causes discontent among those who are infringed on their rights!
        2. Weyland
          Weyland April 27 2016 21: 19
          0
          Quote: Odyssey
          There are two sides to the issue, the actual and the legal.



          De jure, all these republics are illegitimate, because are vassals of the Republic of Ingushetia - and the USSR and all its laws are illegitimate in themselves, because illegitimate any government that came to power as a result of a military coup!
          By the way, in the current Russian Federation the same vile structure - the so-called asymmetric federation, vicious at the root and in principle, and with this vile legacy of the bloody regime, we still rake problems by all means do not indulge! For the legal inequality of the subjects of the federation necessarily causes discontent among those who are infringed on their rights!
      3. Knizhnik
        Knizhnik April 27 2016 09: 18
        +2
        In your opinion, only Lezgins and Talysh live in the mountains? "Make me die" - do you think you are writing?
        If you look at the list of heroes of the Karabakh war, there are representatives of different nationalities. Please do not read our friendship.
        What kind of "independence of Karabakh" are you talking about? There was an NGO in the Azerbaijan SSR, where both nations lived, then someone decided that the Azerbaijanis should be expelled from there. They created a phantom, it's the Armenian units there, not the "Karabakh" ones. Where is the double standards?
    3. Weyland
      Weyland April 26 2016 23: 20
      0
      Quote: Knizhnik
      Who scare the mountains? Azerbaijan is a flat country ??? Victim of the exam ... Yes, look at the map, which the author really did not find, otherwise he would not be so disgraced (I hope).


      Apart from Karabakh itself - 80 percent is still flat. And the main tidy is that the mountainous regions are populated by Talysh (whose independence you drowned in blood a quarter of a century ago) and Lezgins (dreaming of sovereign Lezgistan - and whose Armenians, Essno, actively support separatism). Are you sure that the Talysh and Lezghins are eager to die for Karabakh to return to the RAz? Me not!

      PS I hate double standards! Can anybody distinctly explain why Moldova, Ukraine, Georgia and Azerbaijan have the right to sovereignty, but Transnistria, the LPR and the DPR, South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Karabakh - not? By the way, the Georgians are not the first to attack this rake: when they tried to sovereign from Iran and stumble upon Russia, Iran was especially enraged by their attempt to take away your Shusha as well. As a result, during the ruin of Tbilisi in 1795, it was precisely the Shushin people who committed atrocities ... We were too kind, Russians - 08.08.08 did not begin to take Tbilisi and bring Ossetian units there! But in vain!
  19. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik April 26 2016 16: 06
    +1
    "All the arguments of Azerbaijanis on the topic of some kind of" guarantees "to the Armenian population of Karabakh are ridiculous." What should I call you so as not to be banned?
    Does the author know how many Armenians live in Azerbaijan? Apparently not. Only in Baku, according to conservative estimates, at least 40 thousand. An Armenian lives in my yard, and nobody touches her, even refugees from Armenia and Karabakh.
    1. Fatih88
      Fatih88 April 26 2016 16: 14
      +2
      The author of the type wanted to show that he is neutral.)) But he didn’t really succeed)
      1. Olezhek
        April 26 2016 19: 02
        0
        The author of the type wanted to show that he is neutral.)) But he didn’t really succeed)


        Know a joke:

        Stirlitz - you antisimit! You do not like the Jews!
        Borman, I am an internationalist I do not like anybody!!!

        You know - I have no reason to have particularly warm feelings towards Armenians or Azerbaijanis - there is no reason. request

        About the low combat capability of the Azerbaijani army, he wrote a long time ago - a year ago 4 (on FOREM).
        there, too, periodically published a translation on Karabakh from the Armenian / Azerbaijani press.
        And Armenians / Azeris clashed
        I used to be in the role of the third rejoicing.
        It was fun.
        1. Fatih88
          Fatih88 April 26 2016 20: 14
          +2
          I do not understand in the last 20 years there was still a war? There were front-line battles and nothing more. As I understand it, you have a dedecter that indicates combat efficiency))))
    2. co-creator
      co-creator April 26 2016 18: 12
      +2
      Quote: Knizhnik
      What can you name so that you are not banned?

      So here your countrymen write in plain text that the Armenians will have to leave or there will be a massacre. Nobody will forgive Khojalu and are waiting for revenge. If you read the story, then you can cut the Turks without problems and 10 thousand in a few days.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz April 26 2016 19: 05
        +1
        Quotation: blooded man
        So here your countrymen write in plain text that the Armenians will have to leave or there will be a massacre

        No one will accept these Armenians at this stage.
        But the next generation, yes.
        Do not forget the Amyrians and Azerbaijanis easily get along in Georgia. And there are several hundred thousand people on each side.
        In Russia too.
        But there will be no such thing that in a moment after the seizure of land everything will be forgotten. It will be ONLY in the event that the Armenians voluntarily give the land. Believe me then everything will be normal.
        Indeed, in Azerbaijan there is a fairly widespread opinion that these are Karabakh people, the people from Armenia themselves do not want to serve and die there. And all sorts of corruption scandals in Armenia, when grandmothers are excused from service in Karabakh, when all activists are frightened by service in Karabakh and this is highlighted in Azerbaijan. Yes, and the Karabakh Armenians themselves in Armenia themselves are not very fond of. They speak differently and behave more impudent and ill-mannered. Well and of course, their huge presence in the authorities in Armenia also repels.
        1. Knizhnik
          Knizhnik April 27 2016 09: 32
          +1
          We believe in the best. The massacre of the Azerbaijani civilian population was intermittent from the beginning of the XNUMXth century to the civil war, and then suddenly a hop - and the three of us with the Georgians as part of the Transcfederation, then as if nothing had happened in the USSR. Is this not an indicator?
  20. Fatih88
    Fatih88 April 26 2016 16: 07
    +1
    I understand. Here I have never seen an article that somehow supported Azerbaijan. And each time it’s the same that Azerbaijanis do not know how to fight. And that the Armenians are the most ancient people and the Azerbaijanis did not have a state. And like that. But what’s interesting to me. Where did you get the information that the Armenians recaptured their previous positions from us? Therefore, there is a lot of video and photo evidence that what we have liberated from the Armenians is still with us. And the Armenians didn’t beat it back. And we also understand that we will fight in the mountains. This article is not something new about this is not written.
    1. Olezhek
      April 26 2016 19: 15
      -2
      I have never seen an article here that would somehow support Azerbaijan. And every time it’s the same that Azerbaijanis do not know how to fight


      Listen, you were warned that your army is not ice. You tried, it turned out almost nothing.
      You forgive someone offended? On those who speak under the arm?

      Do you need complimentary articles or Karabakh? You really decide.
      And if there are enough laudatory articles, you will be writing Armenians in any quantity ...
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz April 26 2016 19: 50
        +1
        Quote: Olezhek
        You tried, practically nothing happened.

        What did they try ?? Did you keep the General Staff’s plan ?? Already all experts say there was no purpose for a full-scale invasion, since the number of units and equipment needed for a full-scale invasion was not even close to the combat site.
        Armenians were simply shut up, they were also discarded, so to speak they taught a small lesson.
        In the summer there will be 1 more aggravation.
        1. Stavros
          Stavros April 26 2016 20: 24
          +1
          Eraz, how many percent of the land have you liberated? Again, I repeat, your media writes that they took a couple of villages before, broke through the front for nearly tens of kilometers. Interestingly, they just freed process 2?
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz April 26 2016 21: 01
            +3
            Quote: Stavros
            Again, I repeat your media write that before they took a couple of villages, broke through the front for almost tens of kilometers.

            Are you an adult or a child ???
            If you believe the Azerbaijani media in Armenia, there is nobody and everyone died of hunger.
            And if in Baku the oil and gas ended long ago in Armenia, and the people will soon take Aliyev by storm. MO didn’t give such information, but the media only blah blah.
            The Moscow Region also talked about taking heights around the village of Talysh and about Lele-Tep, and already the media added everything else.
        2. Olezhek
          April 26 2016 20: 42
          0
          What did you try ?? Did you keep the plan of the General Staff ?? Already all the experts claim there was no goal of a full-scale invasion,


          And then the meaning of all this contrive?

          It made sense to do it only in the case of at least a local victory ...

          what would be what to show on ti vi ...

          And just "wave your fists" ... Why?
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz April 26 2016 21: 06
            +1
            Quote: Olezhek
            And then the meaning of all this contrive?

            In order for the Armenians to stop the osbrel and put them in place. This was done in the North, they took the heights above the village of Talysh and now the Azerbaijani troops are over this village.
            And in the South, the skyscraper Lele-Tepe from where the city of Horadiz could have been shot, the Armenians were knocked out and the city is now safe and the roads in this area are now from this height in the palm of the hands of the Azerbaijani troops. With the number of troops involved, there was clearly no task of a major attack. Just close and fold back a little.
      2. Fatih88
        Fatih88 April 26 2016 20: 21
        +2
        Yes, I do not care about the article. I just wrote the obvious. The main thing is interesting to me. Where did you get the information that the Armenians recaptured their previous positions from us? Because as I know 100%. This is not true. So answer me. Where is your evidence?
        1. Olezhek
          April 26 2016 20: 33
          0
          The main thing is, I wonder where did you get the information that the armies recalled their previous positions?


          And figs with them with these positions ... they burn ..

          I would have more interestingly fought on the spot of the Armenians: I would have let the first wave of Azerbaijanis into the depths of the territory (to minefields and under artillery fire)

          And so much nothing happened ...

          Knocked-spread ...
          1. Fatih88
            Fatih88 April 26 2016 20: 47
            +1
            Actually, we're not dumb. Before stupid send the military to the minefield. From the first they would send drones. And we showed how in the last battle how skillfully we are able to use drones.))
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz April 26 2016 21: 09
            +1
            Quote: Olezhek
            I would have fought more interesting in the place of Armenians: I would have missed the first wave of Azerbaijanis inland

            Well, in Agdam’s direction, there’s nothing to do, but Azerbaijan didn’t go any further, he remained in the captured positions, because if they went further, the Armenians would hit the flanks. Since it’s easy to go through the center, the conditions are much easier, but the flanks are more complicated. Therefore, only having defended the flanks can move in the center, they will simply crush the equipment there.
    2. Weyland
      Weyland April 27 2016 00: 05
      +1
      Quote: Fatih88
      Here I have never seen an article that somehow supported Azerbaijan.


      Well, you are constantly friends against Russia in every GUAM / GUUAM there, and now your main friends (Turks) are our enemies. So all this is a little predictable!
    3. Weyland
      Weyland April 27 2016 00: 05
      -1
      Quote: Fatih88
      Here I have never seen an article that somehow supported Azerbaijan.


      Well, you are constantly friends against Russia in every GUAM / GUUAM there, and now your main friends (Turks) are our enemies. So all this is a little predictable!
  21. xtur
    xtur April 26 2016 18: 34
    0
    the author’s military analysis was clearly better than political / geopolitical. Armenia + NKR and Azerbaijan are such a place that the geopolitical interests of the world's largest players, who are not used to being extras, intersect there. US military aspects on this site decides Turkish hands. In all periods of the conflict over the NKR, Turkey was always active, and the real border was drawn by a compromise between Turkey and the Russian Federation, otherwise the border could go anywhere in those days.

    Turkey was ready and now ready to fight with any success of the Armenian army, and only the Russian Federation holds it back. And when the Russian Federation bombed the Syrian desert with strategic bombers, these were signs not only for the United States, but also for Turkey.

    So the Russian Federation is a direct participant in this conflict.

    To the geopolitical aspect, I can add the economic aspect - the NKR did not bomb the oil / gas pipelines passing not so far from its borders, allowing its enemy to be rich, whose military budget exceeded the entire Armenian budget. The most influential country for Armenia is the Russian Federation, I can’t say what forces from the Russian Federation needed for the NKR not to interfere with the functioning of oil / gas pipelines, but the logic suggests that there are such forces.

    So, on all fronts of the Russian Federation, it has long been a participant in this conflict.
    1. Olezhek
      April 26 2016 19: 17
      0
      The author’s military analysis clearly turned out to be better than political / geopolitical


      Thank you, but there was only one on one military analysis ... And the conclusions from it

      If we talk about Russia, Turkey, Iran, the United States ...
      This will be a completely different article.
      1. xtur
        xtur April 26 2016 23: 22
        +2
        > Thank you, but there was only one-on-one military analysis ... And conclusions from it

        > If we talk about Russia, Turkey, Iran, USA ...
        > This will be a completely different article.

        the article stated that the Russian Federation was not involved / should not participate in the conflict around the NKR, so I explained that the Russian Federation has long been a participant in the conflict, and at all levels, and I can add to the above that in the early 199x there was a statement by Turkey that that she was ready to start fighting in Armenia, which was followed by a statement by the Russian Defense Ministry that the Turkish attack on Armenia would mean the start of a third world war involving nuclear weapons, and that the Russian Federation would definitely protect Armenia.

        and it’s unlikely that anything has changed since then
  22. Yeraz
    Yeraz April 26 2016 19: 09
    +1
    But who will let these pipelines that belong to the Europeans bomb. Do you think they will not be bombed by the beautiful eyes of Azerbaijan ?? England and the United States will not give it. And in connection with the recent purchases in the field of air defense from the Russian Federation and Israel, the only possibility left is sabotage. But even with a successful diversion to restore this area is not a problem.
    1. Olezhek
      April 26 2016 19: 27
      0
      But who will give to bomb these pipelines, which belong to the Europeans. Do you think they are not being bombed by the beautiful eyes of Azerbaijan ??


      This is not a serious discussion yet ...
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz April 26 2016 19: 53
        +1
        Quote: Olezhek
        This is not a serious discussion yet ...

        Yes, even if it does. Armenia is not a country that, at its command, will bomb the pipes of England and the United States. Only if Russia gives the go-ahead. But even Russia is unlikely to do so. Since 08.08.08. Russia did not touch the pipe in Georgia.
        1. co-creator
          co-creator April 26 2016 20: 38
          +2
          Never will. Russia will tear off its head if anyone wants to blow this pipe.
  23. Chisayna
    Chisayna April 26 2016 19: 59
    0
    Yeraz. Today. 18:50. Summer will be 1 more aggravation. Yes, psychos have aggravations in spring and autumn. And you say in summer. And who will sell fruit and fruit?
    1. Stavros
      Stavros April 26 2016 20: 19
      +1
      Eraz and everyone else who is on this site, they won’t go to war, they’ll sell. So don’t worry, you won’t be left without an Azerbaijani tomato-tomato)))
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz April 26 2016 21: 10
        +1
        Quote: Stavros
        Eraz and everyone else who is on this site, they won’t go to fight, so they’ll sell

        Well, another flare, all Azerbaijanis are merchants))) I’m disappointing you in my family, and ohhh surprise, we will go to fight.
  24. Yeraz
    Yeraz April 26 2016 20: 15
    +2
    Quote: Chisain
    Yeah, exacerbations happen to loonies in the spring and fall. And you say in the summer.

    ha ha hee hee, wonderful trolling. They understood perfectly what was said.
    Quote: Chisain
    And who will sell fruit and fruit?

    Ukrainian and Moldovan women have been selling fruit fruits for a long time under the supervision of a mustached and dense Caucasian with a belly. And they are becoming smaller and smaller, I don’t know how in the regions, but in the capital and St. Petersburg Large networks have captured almost everything. Larks are no longer a frequent occurrence. There are only fruit and vegetable bases left, but they are also dying out. Networks are starting to directly conduct their imports and minimize purchases from intermediaries.
    1. Olezhek
      April 26 2016 20: 40
      0
      but in the capital and St. Petersburg Big networks almost all captured


      ECB - mostly - stalls! and mini markets!
    2. co-creator
      co-creator April 26 2016 20: 42
      +1
      Quote: Yeraz
      And they are becoming smaller, I don’t know how in the regions, but in the capital and St. Petersburg Large networks have almost all taken over. Larks are no longer a frequent occurrence. Only fruit and vegetable bases remain, but they are dying out. Networks begin to directly conduct their import and minimize purchases from intermediaries

      Well, what will you do then?
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz April 26 2016 22: 03
        +1
        Quotation: blooded man
        Well, what will you do then?

        This is the whole problem of Russian residents of Russian nationality. Why did you all decide that Azerbaijanis are all trading ???? My relatives are not a single person from this sphere. And my relatives are big. Plus from my fellow countrymen of my region are also rarely seen.
        And the young generation that was born and raised here is all the more not in trade.
        Azerbaijanis own quite a few plants and factories and various kinds of enterprises. Restaurant business. At each police station you will go at least 1 Azerbaijani to meet. Mostly district and opera.
        There are only 5 doctors in my family. The owners of travel agencies, a cousin in Germany will study, another in the bank has perfect knowledge of English, a third athlete. Another relative of St. Petersburg State University graduated with honors and went to Azerbaijan to work for the BP oil company and receives $ 5 in salary. Managers , bosses. The young generation is exactly in the same areas where the current Russian youth.

        And the elders bought premises, apartments, cars, trucks, etc. for insurance purposes. rent them out and feed normally.

        And everyone has a hut in Azerbaijan in case Russia needs to leave.
        1. co-creator
          co-creator April 27 2016 04: 00
          +1
          Quote: Yeraz
          This is the whole problem of the inhabitants of Russia of Russian nationality

          This is the problem of Azerbaijanis that you have a complex of merchants. I have all the rules.

          Quote: Yeraz
          Why did you all decide that Azerbaijanis are all trading ????

          And why did you decide that I think so? Maybe you will deny that a very large number of your fellow tribesmen work in trade, and not only the owners? I asked only for them.
  25. Stavros
    Stavros April 26 2016 21: 44
    +2
    As expected, not a single card was provided by the cavatars.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz April 26 2016 22: 33
      +1
      Quote: Stavros
      Cavatars.

      I don’t know such people. Azerbaijani Turks yes.
  26. Chisayna
    Chisayna April 26 2016 22: 40
    0
    Yeraz, like every hot Caucasian djigit loves to poke around, make out. Well, let's say that is half true. And why didn’t they achieve this in their native Azerbaijan? Why are these many diasporas hanging on the neck of Russia?
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz April 26 2016 23: 43
      0
      Quote: Chisain
      And why didn’t they achieve this in their native Azerbaijan? Why are these many diasporas hanging on the neck of Russia?

      This hangs when everyone is sitting at home and receiving benefits from Russia, as in Europe. Therefore, no one hangs, but simply works on the territory of Russia. Already most of these people, among whom I did not choose this path, we have already opened our eyes here and in this environment. Our acquaintances, friends, classmates, classmates here.
      If we take the situation with Azerbaijan, from Azerbaijan in connection with the occupation of 1 million. refugees and a lot of resources are directed to this area. If Russia could solve the problems with Armenia, then the number of Azerbaijanis would fall by a couple of hundred thousand.
      And most of them are already citizens of the Russian Federation and have no relation whatsoever to Azerbaijan, they do not serve in the army of Azerbaijan, do not pay taxes to Azerbaijan and do not make purchases there. There is a maximum of 1 house for every fire. There is only one benefit for me from Azerbaijan. I will definitely go to fight in Karabakh for Azerbaijan. That is, I will be a mercenary with a Russian passport, who will fight on a free basis. And that’s all. Otherwise, Azerbaijan is for me 00.
      1. the finish
        the finish April 27 2016 10: 00
        0
        You’re smart here, and the word Armenia is specially written with a small letter. Here and all your upbringing, even though there will be 50 doctors and cops in your family, you won’t remove the genes.
  27. uranium
    uranium April 29 2016 23: 04
    +1
    I have not heard more idiocy. Following the logic of the author, Ethiopians are the most developed and included in the list of developed countries, writing appeared in the 5th century BC for fellow
    Azerbaijan is a flat, oil-producing third world country. Something like this. But Armenia cannot be called a third world country with all the will. Armenian writing is one and a half thousand years old. laughing