The destroyer Zumwalt became a problem for shipping because of its "invisibility"

The destroyer of the US Navy Zumwalt will be equipped with special screens to "increase the visibility of the ship for radar," reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to the resource VPK.name.

Such measures the US Navy were forced to go because of numerous complaints about the danger of navigation in the area where the destroyer is being tested.

According to the captain of a civilian vessel, “on the radar, the ship looks like an 12-meter fishing boat, while in reality the ship exceeds 185 meters in length.”

“The ship’s low radar visibility is achieved due to faceted forms and widespread use of radio-absorbing materials - the body with the superstructure is wrapped in a special coating of inch thickness, the number of protruding antennas is reduced to a minimum. After the tests are completed, the measuring equipment will be removed from the side of the destroyer, after which its mark on the radar will become even smaller, ”explains the publication.

Recall, the head Zumwalt (DDG-1000) was launched in 2013 g, 2015 was launched in December for sea trials. The launch of two other serial destroyers is expected in the 2016 and 2017 years.



Help "WG": "The ship’s low radar visibility has become a problem for shipping in the US territorial waters, but it is unlikely to make the ship’s modern anti-shipboard difficult. weapons Russia. Stealth technology was created based on X-band radar (8-18 GHz), while the Russian army is intensively equipped with "antistelsovnymi" means of detection and targeting. They operate on millimeter waves (30 MHz - 3 GHz) and clearly see ships and airplanes, no matter how bizarre they are. ”

Comments

[tiredwithall]

Invisibility is a relative thing and is associated with scanning equipment. And it will be necessary, then we will move into the visible range.

[Michael67]

Exactly. Cut it in half, whatever the tanker in the fog. In peacetime.
And if anything, spray an aerosol over it, it will settle in the case and it will glow on the screens like a New Year's garland.

[Altona]

Quote: Michael67

Exactly. Cut it in half, whatever the tanker in the fog. In peacetime.
And if anything, spray an aerosol over it, it will settle in the case and it will glow on the screens like a New Year's garland.

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Well, rightly so, you need to shine as it should, and not pretend to be a wick! The trouble came, from where they did not wait. And you can’t determine the type of vessel by a radio beacon? He gives radio signals, not in radio silence mode, saws through the waves.

[Throw]

This is a destroyer, not a beacon))

So the coconuts "invented" stealth technology, and now they will invent corner reflectors!

[Inok10]

Quote: Lance

The Americans "invented" stealth technology, now they will invent corner reflectors!

... St. George, I welcome ... ... but, here's the topic ... everything is much simpler ... dashing advertising campaign ... in the best mattress traditions ... a lot of noise from nothing ...

According to one of the captains of a civilian ship, "on the radar, the ship looks like a 12-meter fishing boat, while in reality the ship exceeds 185 meters in length."

... yeah, I imagined that a 1000-meter fishing boat suddenly appeared on the radar 12 miles from the shore, although at least not a six-year-old yale ...

[Throw]

Hi, Monk!

And what, at the mark of the goal are the oars visible ??

As for the 12 m of the boat in 1000 miles - it’s okay, let the Zamvolt not be afraid, we are friends on a sailing yacht!

[midivan]

Quote: Lance

This is a destroyer, not a beacon))

So the coconuts "invented" stealth technology, and now they will invent corner reflectors!

not for nothing Zadornov said, well, stupid! the bell would be hung and there’s no need to invent anything

[Seaman77]

Quote: Lance

This is a destroyer, not a beacon))

So the coconuts "invented" stealth technology, and now they will invent corner reflectors!

PR action. Do not believe it.

As a sailor, I have the honor to inform you that on my not the newest (vessel built in 2006) and not the best (JRC) and far from military radar I notice WOODEN fishing schooner for 6-7 miles with a sea swell of 3-4 points without any adjustment. They do not constitute problems for navigation to me. Even the 3rd assistant Filipino somehow copes.

I don’t want to get involved in theoretical disputes with local "couch" soldiers and sailors, but based on my own practical experience, I want to declare that this STEEL hr ... n height with a 9-storey building, I will see 20 miles without any passive and active reflectors and responders.

[Throw]

Wooden (and plastic) boats you have the honor to observe precisely because they have fixed the same corner reflectors on the mast

As for Zamvolt’s detectability in database conditions, you won’t see for 20 miles, since it’s only artillery for 80 miles that will greatly spoil your radar.
What anti-ship will put him in the UVP as a result, no one knows at all yet.

Therefore, here we habitually joke about "advertising", "drank", but Zamvolt is a serious prototype and a reserve for the future.

And we have all the watchdogs riveting and with models from papier-mâché milling about the exhibitions, while some are exchanging apartments, but the children are being attached to the holy place of Vasilyeva ...

[Seaman77]

Quote: Lance

Wooden (and plastic) boats you have the honor to observe precisely because they have fixed the same corner reflectors on the mast

Have you been to those Arab / Indian / Malaysian and so on boats and seen passive defendants? By the way, I wrote schooners, not boats. We spotted boats in the Gulf of Aden with funny Somali guys for 4-5 miles. And there were no reflectors on them, believe me!
Many times the radar flicked off birds, but somehow I spotted .... a whale (3-4 miles approximately)! The one that floated up and "let fountains", there were certainly no reflectors on them.

Quote: Lance

As for Zamvolt’s detectability in database conditions, you won’t see for 20 miles, since it’s only artillery for 80 miles that will greatly spoil your radar.

In the conditions of the database, I was not, and neither did Zumvolt. An article that civil ships do not see the "super invisible stealth", and therefore it can interfere with civil shipping, and this is nonsense and PR. Based on the above, I want to say that his invisibility is greatly exaggerated.
In theory, of course, everything comes out beautifully, but in practice ..... In theory, my ship should sail 16 knots, but in practice ... I would like to meet this "theoretician" who wrote such nonsense, because based on this the freight rate is calculated which I do not always do ...

Quote: Lance

And we have all the watchdogs riveting and with models from papier-mâché milling about the exhibitions, while some are exchanging apartments, but the children are being attached to the holy place of Vasilyeva ...

I myself am not happy about this, but this is a topic for a separate article and a separate conversation ....

[Throw]

and seen passive responders?

Here is the very reflector and there is its primitive version)) Just what are we talking about?

By the way, I wrote schooners, not boats.

No difference. Yachting has its own terms and we have everything that, roughly, up to 100 tons of non-commercial or military use - a boat. Boat. Sailboat, motorboat. And if the motorboat is stupid and rushing at the rate, it means "f .. yours, fuel oil trough"
A "schooner" is simply a type of two-masted sailing rig. On the boat.

Boats in the Gulf of Aden with funny Somali guys we spotted for 4-5 miles. And there were no reflectors on them, believe me!

I do not believe. A close-knit bunch of oppressed Somali proletarians hung with AK and PKK shops - a great reflector!

therefore, it can interfere with civil shipping, and this is nonsense and PR.

To whom to disperse civilian ships from warships is. Apart from the ships themselves.

Based on the foregoing, I want to say that its invisibility is greatly exaggerated.

But how do you know that, dear Moreman77?
Do you have Zwolt azimuth diagrams? Yes, you for them Research Institute No. .., No. ... and No. No. and the Mintz Institute will be kissed in transom !!
But you do not have them.
But don’t worry.
Intelligence will surely lock them, otherwise why do we pay taxes?

[mad]

Quote: Seaman77

I want to declare that this STEEL xp .... n tall with 9-storey building

Yeah. A rare freak .. A floating (definitely not walking) iron that has nothing to do with the swift lines of modern ships.

[Throw]

Ehh .. Onshore you soul .. But a beautiful yacht, only the mast is not enough.
And on the topic of "walking", do not look at the top, you look at the underwater contours. Of course, I didn't carry his model in the TsAGI pool, but IMHO everything is very hydrodynamic there, I swear by my yacht panama!

[Winnie76]

Nothing new. F 22 has the same problems. Therefore, in peacetime they fly with Luneberg lenses. Well, plus so that no one measures the real EPR. Declared 0,00000000001 (dohren zeros) m2, like a mosquito, but do not give measure

[clidon]

So for this, they put lenses and probably transponders .. Actually, it is not much different from the operation of stealth aircraft.

And if anything, spray an aerosol over it, it will settle in the case and it will glow on the screens like a New Year's garland.

Will it be a magician or Carlson? Let’s immediately immediately attach all the American ships to all the mines, and then we’ll reconnect it soooo!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

The destroyer Zumwalt became a problem for shipping because of its "invisibility"

Oh oh oh! directly invisible, invisible! - fishing schooners do not see!

[atos_kin]

Quote: tiredwithall

Invisibility is a thing

slam and not notice

[Pavel Tsybai]

RG reference: “The low radar signature of the ship has become a problem for shipping in the territorial waters of the United States, but is unlikely to complicate the defeat of the ship with modern anti-ship weapons of Russia. Stealth technologies were created with the expectation of X-band radars (8-18 GHz), while the Russian army is intensively equipped with "anti-stealth" means of detection and targeting. They operate on millimeter waves (30 MHz - 3 GHz) and clearly see ships and aircraft, no matter how bizarre they are. "

It turns out that the mattresses were unlucky again, only to fight this civilian boat

[Mama_Cholli]

When the Granite rocket flies into it, the visibility of the ship will become even less.

[tiredwithall]

Offend innovative US technology - a ship lying at the bottom is completely invisible on the surface of the sea.

[Engineer]

It will be greasy for him Granite - Mosquito or Caliber will be enough here, and even the X-35 will drop in well.

[Sober]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

When the Granite rocket flies into it, the visibility of the ship will become even less.

Oh mom Choli! do not make me laugh!!!!

[Engineer]

Well, then, a powerful PR company began to justify spending such a huge amount on the development of a 12-meter fishing boat.

[shark]

I read comments and it becomes sickening. Some haters.

[clidon]

And here two thirds (if not more) "clean neighing" come in.

[Russia]

He was also made "invisible", but the "stupid Soviet" technology did not know about it!

[Engineer]

and you, unfortunately, do not know how they shot him down.

[RBLip]

Quote: Engineer

and you, unfortunately, do not know how they shot him down.

I know. with a shovel. in Yugoslavia, our special forces construction battalion operated. they shot down. here, by the way, is one of the top-secret posters teaching our construction battalion. True, only on f-ku. on b-2 did not find (see, the tolerance level is not the same) ...

[voyaka uh]

"" On the radar, the ship looks like a 12-meter fishing boat,
while in reality the ship exceeds 185 meters in length. "
After completing the tests, the measuring equipment will be removed from the destroyer,
after which its mark on the radars will become even less ", - explains the edition" ////

For those who doubt the technology of stealth.
If a 185 meter ship looks like a fishing boat,
there is no doubt that the fighter looks like a pin-pong ball.

[Engineer]

Ufimtsev would have greatly upset you, but "blessed are those who believe."

[Alexey RA]

Quote: voyaka uh

If a 185 meter ship looks like a fishing boat,
there is no doubt that the fighter looks like a pin-pong ball.

It’s like in that joke: Well, so you tell

[lelikas]

Quote: voyaka uh

If a 185 meter ship looks like a fishing boat,
there is no doubt that the fighter looks like a pin-pong ball.

We urgently need to equip all planes with "rackets" for ping-pong. :)))
It is more interesting that he sees civilian ships without problems, with ordinary radars.

[VP]

Quote: voyaka uh

there is no doubt that the fighter looks like a pin-pong ball.

For whom does he look like a ball?
In radar, ranges from decameter to millimeter are used. In which exactly do you see him as a ball?
For example, the Patriots work in the centimeter range and the S-400 in the decimeter range, and "Sky" in the meter range.
EPR is measured for some fixed wavelength.
So what do you mean?

[voyaka uh]

"So which one do you mean? ///

I meant the size (diameter) of the ball from the pin-pong, and
not appearance .

[VP]

Turn off "fool mode".
For what wavelength will the aircraft have the size of a ball (EPR)?
I hope you are aware that for different wavelengths of radio emission the EPR is different?
And you suspect that Zumvolt and the plane are optimized for completely different wavelengths, as you understand the reasons for this?

[Foofighter]

what other games do you know besides ping pong?

[abrakadabre]

That is, if a fishing boat is in the way of a civilian vessel, can it be ignored and rammed? This time.

If the horizon (sea level) for a civilian ship is from about 8-9 km (what a small seiner) to about 20 (the height of the bridge is something very large), and for such a tall object as Zumvolt (height more than 20 m) it is about 26 -36 km, is it difficult to see and change course? These are two.

What special radio-contrast panels are there to place? What is there to grow wise? It is enough to put several corner reflectors on the superstructure. Which can be done directly on board with existing repair equipment.

[Revolver]

Quote: abrakadabre

It is enough to put several corner reflectors on the superstructure. Which can be done directly on board with existing repair equipment.

You won’t cut much

But all the same, the ship turned out "for all the money." Had the Yamato emerged from the bottom of the sea, or even had Stalin finished building those super-battleships that Khrushch had cut down on the stocks, I would still bet on Zumwalt against any of them, or even all of them together.

[iConst]

Quote: voyaka uh

For those who doubt the technology of stealth.
If a 185 meter ship looks like a fishing boat,
there is no doubt that the fighter looks like a pin-pong ball.

- However, there is an opinion that the Americans overdid it with stealth in aviation.

The press wrote that the coverage of the aircraft needs to be updated almost before each flight - the coverage is unstable. Will they solve the problem and how soon.
In the meantime, it can be assumed that in a couple of tens of minutes the ping-pong ball will turn into a soccer ball.

Second, alternative direction finding technologies are being developed, such as radio shadow detection.
And here the absorption of radio waves plays a negative role - the stealth plane is an ideal object.

And the third thing - nobody canceled the distant "illumination". The contours of the aircraft are optimized to a greater extent for the radar of the enemy fighter, but the angle of reflection from the early warning aircraft is unpredictable. And the power is appropriate.

We can conclude that stealth technologies work well only when a number of conditions are met. Who is right - will show the reality. But it would be better if they were not.

[voyaka uh]

"The press wrote that aircraft coverage needs to be updated
almost before every flight - the coating is unstable "////

There were coating problems - they worked out during the operation of the F-22.
One of the Raptors already exceeded 1000 hours in the air, there were fast and the furious
intercontinental flights from take-off in the Arctic to landing
in the tropics (sudden changes in temperature).
At F-35, the experience of REPtrov was taken into account, the coatings became durable.
But a thorough inspection between flights is necessary.
Russia will also soon face the challenges of supporting stealth coverage,
when the T-50s begin to fly intensely.

"The contours of the aircraft are optimized to a greater extent for the radar of the enemy fighter" ////

And on air defense radars - especially the F-35

[Muvka]

Quote: voyaka uh

"" On the radar, the ship looks like a 12-meter fishing boat,
while in reality the ship exceeds 185 meters in length. "
After completing the tests, the measuring equipment will be removed from the destroyer,
after which its mark on the radars will become even less ", - explains the edition" ////

For those who doubt the technology of stealth.
If a 185 meter ship looks like a fishing boat,
there is no doubt that the fighter looks like a pin-pong ball.

Do you firmly believe that the radars of civil and military courts are no different? Although I am not an expert in this, it seems to me that they cannot be compared in any way. That's why they are military. That's so expensive and big.

[Seaman77]

Quote: voyaka uh

"" On the radar, the ship looks like a 12-meter fishing boat,
while in reality the ship exceeds 185 meters in length. "
After completing the tests, the measuring equipment will be removed from the destroyer,
after which its mark on the radars will become even less ", - explains the edition" ////

For those who doubt the technology of stealth.
If a 185 meter ship looks like a fishing boat,
there is no doubt that the fighter looks like a pin-pong ball.

Greetings Alexey.

As far as I know, you are an electrical engineer.

If it's not a secret, tell me please, what is your experience in using shipborne radars?

If possible in years, months, or at least days .....

[Winnie76]

At a wavelength of 3 cm and looking strictly from the nose. Otherwise, it can grow by several orders of magnitude. In the dm range it shines like a sea container with ping pong balls

[biserino]

Stealth technology allows you to reduce the distance from the interception, rather than the "invisible hat".

[Alexeyklg]

Echo sounders and other hearing aids still hear it. and for boats so it doesn’t matter to him at all.

[Engineer]

+ gas turbine engines of generators cannot work quietly.

[VP]

In general, to detect zoom, it is not particularly necessary to change the ranges - this is a ship equipped with a bunch of locators and transmitters, i.e. only radiation can be direction finding.

[pavelty]

Skeptically, I probably belong to this iron, well, I can not believe in its invisibility and that's it. Some captain, someone trough, either saw or not. Was there a boy?

[PKK]

Almost in the subject, would have shown how he walks in the storm.

[sinoptic]

We also need to think about such modern technologies.
Of course, within reason.

[Dr. Lecturer]

Come on all of you, we must envy in silence, we need such breakthroughs in shipbuilding, like China’s cancer. And this is exactly a breakthrough, they will also make a railgun. Well, they’ll build 50 pieces. We will cut Grena there.

[Sober]

Quote: Doctor Lecturer

Come on all of you, you must envy silently

I am not a supporter of bravura hooliganism, but I also disagree with you. Judging by the tone of your statement, and he (this tone) sounds! The strength of Russia is disgusting to you, and the successes of the enemy delight you.
I urge everyone not to minus, but to ignore such lovers crawl

Quote: Doctor Lecturer

to china doggy style

[Muvka]

Quote: Dr. Lecturer

Come on all of you, we must envy in silence, we need such breakthroughs in shipbuilding, like China’s cancer. And this is exactly a breakthrough, they will also make a railgun. Well, they’ll build 50 pieces. We will cut Grena there.

We seem to have made a bet on the submarine fleet. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Bulrumeb]

the Russian army is intensively equipped with anti-stealth detection and targeting devices. They operate at millimeter waves (30 MHz - 3 GHz) and clearly see ships and airplanes, no matter how bizarre they are. "

and what for, I ask, ass accordion? From whom will he hide?

[Abbra]

But still, how wonderful it is to feel invisible!

[imugn]

They operate on millimeter waves (30 MHz - 3 GHz)

That said! One sentence can’t even be fixed

[Mama_Cholli]

Interestingly, a 10-point storm is included in the declared tests of this destroyer?

[Leto]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

Interestingly, a 10-point storm is included in the declared tests of this destroyer?

The seaworthiness of the ship is determined at the design stage. Or do you think that all ships are required to go around Cape Horn, only after that the ZHI sign?

[bunny]

Do not blow your cheeks, dear compatriots.
Radio visibility does not depend on the frequency range of the locator, but on the effective reflection area.
And in Yugoslavia, the "invisible" was shot down having visual contact with him.
If such a destroyer appears in the zone of visual contact, then it is not a fact. that we are his first ...

[SVD]

I support! I hope that our Defense Ministry take seriously new products from a potential adversary, study and draw the right conclusions.

[dvina71]

Quote: Bunny

And in Yugoslavia, the "invisible" was shot down having visual contact with him.

C-125 do not have an optical guidance channel. only radio. So no matter what ... they saw, they didn’t see ... the bomber was captured by the radar.
As for the stealth in general and zumwalt in particular.
We recall the course of high school physics and the properties of an em wave. In order to level the properties of a stealth object, it must be irradiated with a wave whose length is greater than fragments of the body forming this effect. The wave simply goes around the edges of this fragment and is reflected there from where it came.

[aszzz888]

They operate on millimeter waves (30 MHz - 3 GHz) and clearly see ships and planes, no matter how bizarre they are. ”

Again does not roll meritos! Well what a bad mattress! Either the 35th is not known when it will fly, then the stealth rolls to the ground, and then this steamboat!

[Verdun]

Even if it is really so subtle that it still needs to be proved. But his contours cause serious doubts. Ram ram type was typical for ships of the late XIX - early XX century. Due to the fact that such contours drastically reduce the seaworthiness of the ship, and ramming in modern naval battles became impossible, they were abandoned. Or do the creators of Zumwalt expect that the ship will be invisible not only radar, but also visually, and still go to ram?

[Muvka]

Congratulations, just a little before the exit from the minus in which I drove you. Unwillingly. ;)

[Verdun]

God be with him, with a minus! I in the army did not seek strides on uniform! The content does not always depend on the packaging.))

[tchoni]

I will speak out of topic ... Just the impression of watching the video: It goes nicely ... And the running wave is small ...

[Observer2014]

tchoni (2) RU Yesterday, 13:03
I will speak out of topic ... Just the impression of watching the video: It goes nicely ... And the running wave is small ...
I read the article, comments.
Can i ask you!
Have you heard about torpedoes leading along the wake of the ship ?!
I asked so modestly, I do not even hope for an answer.

[mark_rod]

Quote: Bunny

Do not blow your cheeks, dear compatriots.

And in Yugoslavia, the "invisible" was shot down having visual contact with him.

What is such eye contact? At least watch a video with the story of a Serbian officer about how he shot down that stealth! You are talking nonsense in public ... not good!

[K-36]

Here he took in the author's article: "Help" RG ": ... while the Russian army is intensively equipped with" anti-stealth "means of detection and targeting. They work on millimeter waves (30 MHz - 3 GHz) and clearly see ships and aircraft, no matter how bizarre they are. "
Well what can I say? I took a school formula from a physics textbook that allows us to calculate the wavelength of a radio transmitting device, knowing its frequency. So, lambda (wavelength in meters) is equal to the quotient of dividing the speed of light (in m / s) by frequency (in Hz). We substitute the extreme frequencies of the range indicated in the author's article.
1. 30 MHz = 3x10 in the seventh degree. Divide the speed of light = 3x10 in the eighth power by the frequency (= 3x10 in the seventh power) and get ... 10 Meters !!!
2 GHz = 3x3 to the ninth power. Divide the speed of light at this frequency and get ... 10 centimeters !!!
Well, where is the millimeter range?!?
Yes, with deep regret I have to perceive the sad fact that the VO resource has slipped even lower than the unified USE!
Respectfully educated forum users

[Verdun]

Personally, I stopped wondering at such things after my son brought me a chemistry textbook from school, where neither the structure of the atom nor the concept of valency are explained.

[maxxdesign]

it's all stealth taxpayer money american

[Huan karlos]

Let's play cat and mouse? Who didn’t hide, we are not to blame)

[drunkram]

Strange, like April 1 was already

PS have already gone through this with "invisible" b-2

[krops777]

Quote: Michael67

Exactly. Cut it in half, whatever the tanker in the fog. In peacetime.
And if anything, spray an aerosol over it, it will settle in the case and it will glow on the screens like a New Year's garland.

And we’ll increase the satellite constellation in orbit so they don’t hide anywhere at all.

[avg-mgn]

This hut can only be invisible to a single ship, since the latter’s detection system will send an impulse and try to get a reflection at the point of location, but it won’t, because the locator signal will be reflected from the inclined surface in the other direction. For a group of ships, its visibility will be much higher, and even beautiful for one of them, in whose direction the echo will go. (Without taking into account losses on the absorbing surface, of course) For a group of coastal detection systems, there are no problems at all.

[sir_obs]

Soon you need to wait for a Hollywood masterpiece on this subject. PR and PR again.

[Uncle]

Some nonsense, I’ll say as a yachtsman, a radar reflector is hung on the mast, the size of a tin can, and sometimes it is made of it. This is taking into account that the yacht is plastic and the size is much smaller than the ship. And then the dot is visible on the radar screen, what other special screens are there? And anyway, does he walk without lights? He is not being led from the shore? The article is just an advertisement for pseudo invisibility.

[Rusfaner]

"They operate on millimeter waves (30 MHz - 3 GHz) and clearly see ships and aircraft, no matter how bizarre they are." (C)
The millimeter wave range is 30 (10mm) -300 (1mm) GHz. To the author - more closely with the numbers. It is doubtful that the frequency range above 30 GHz was actively used for target recognition radar (well, perhaps, in the very near zone), because in this range, the radio waves experience a strong attenuation. Normal rain disrupts the operation of the RRL in the 38 GHz range, and in the range of 50+ a dense fog above the sea will give a continuous flare. As a rule, the millimeter range in radar is used only as a meteorological one.

[salad]

Chisel as in childhood, a wooden iron floats on the river like g @ ovno, etc.

[Dr. Lecturer]

Quote: salat

For me it’s so beautiful co-ship. It tastes and color, as they say.

[tchoni]

Again, not the topic. I can not understand the value of the destroyer class ship. If we take the impact capabilities, then the boat can realize them no worse and the effect of low visibility radar will be achieved automatically. Equally, anti-ship capabilities can be realized on the boat, especially with an external target designation system. Shelling from artillery systems? Guys, yes, you knew how to drive a scow of such a cost to the shore with such a risk that it could be seriously consumed by self-propelled guns for the price of a couple of evergreen lemons ...
Anti-submarine function - do not tell me, as well as the function of the carrier. Can it be easier and cheaper to accept a pair of "submarine + air defense frigate"? And the specific tasks of supporting the landing and hunting for enemy submarines should be given to specially trained ships?

[voyaka uh]

"It may be easier and cheaper to accept a pair" submarine + air defense frigate "////

The idea is quite healthy. The submarine fires the Kyrgyz Republic, and frigate it covers from
air attacks ...
But the Kyrgyz Republic is expensive, large, and their supply is limited.
And Zumvolt’s whole trick is art. fire, not KR. Many, many super-long-range
shells, and in the future also an electric railgun with its tiny arrowheads. The air defense frigate will have to cover it. Those. inevitably designing a stealth frigate air defense / missile defense.
And it is also necessary to protect from submarines - Zumvolt. It is unlikely that he will be able to function independently.

[tchoni]

The discs have already been taken apart ... They write a lot of good things about them, but in fact, most likely they are direct-shot weapons.
As for the art fire, it's easier to make another artillery ship of the class not even a frigate, but a corvette ... And sharpen it for the use of artillery. Drowned so not so sorry. And then, you know, there is a "score" complex, and North Korea with long-range artillery is ok ...

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: tchoni

The discs have already been taken apart ... They write a lot of good things about them, but in fact, most likely they are direct-shot weapons.

For Zamwolt, General Atomics has developed a gun capable of delivering a 10 kg projectile over a distance of more than 200 km at an average speed of about 2 m / s, and is developing up to 000 km in the future. This is not like a direct shot range. There is no detection or protection against these ultra-fast blanks. The striking effect of the "blanks" is a disaster for the ship.

[APASUS]

Quote: Алексей_К

For Zamwolt, General Atomics has developed a gun capable of delivering a 10 kg projectile over a distance of more than 200 km at an average speed of about 2 m / s, and is developing up to 000 km in the future. This is not like a direct shot range. There is no detection or protection against these ultra-fast blanks. The striking effect of the "blanks" is a disaster for the ship.

To hit a target at a distance above 2000 m, everything needs to be taken into account, from the rotation of the earth to rainfall and I will never believe that an uncontrolled blank will fall into a nine-story building in 200 km, it makes no sense to write about 400

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: APASUS

To hit a target at a distance above 2000 m, everything needs to be taken into account, from the rotation of the earth to rainfall and I will never believe that an uncontrolled blank will fall into a nine-story building in 200 km, it makes no sense to write about 400

But the railgun gun has already been developed and tested. Americans now want to launch a railgun in a series.

[Verdun]

Relsotron trying to create about fifty years, at least. And not only Americans. The problem is that it is not yet possible to obtain the required power in the size of a destroyer. It’s possible to charge capacitors from some kind of power plant and shoot once. But no more than that. A problem similar to combat lasers. Who needs a fridge-sized anti-personnel laser?

[APASUS]

Quote: Алексей_К

But the railgun gun has already been developed and tested.

Tested and ready for the series, but what gives you the right to say that an unguided projectile hits the target for 200 km?
There it is necessary to take into account such a number of parameters that for an unguided projectile it is just a waste of money. Just read the shooting from a sniper rifle at a distance above 1000 meters

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: voyaka uh

And Zumvolt’s whole trick is art. fire, not KR.

Zamvolt has 80 Tomahawks and an RIM-162 ESSM anti-aircraft missile system. There are quite a few for this class of fighter ships (Zumwalt class guide missile destroyers)

[Verdun]

I won't say anything about the "Tomahawks", it is difficult to count them in the hold, but about the artillery range of 200 km with a projectile speed of 2 m / s and a weight of 000 kg is pure fantasy. At a distance of more than 10 km, it is required to use active-reactive ammunition with a significantly greater weight. In addition, a mass of 50 kg is enough only to damage the tank. As an example, the main caliber cannon, designed for the unfinished battleships Sovetsky Soyuz, sent a shell weighing 10 kg at 1108 km. There really was damage!

[clidon]

They fired so far only 109 km. Projectile weight 102 kg (11 kilograms of explosives) active-reactive projectile with GPS correction. The barrel is 62 caliber long. the bore is indicated in 825-900 m s.

[Verdun]

Now that seems to be true. The truth is I do not know what good will be in a real war from GPS correction. Active-reactive ammunition can be used from most of the tools of old designs. And we need to make up the gap in this matter. There really is one, but the direction is promising. A shell is not a rocket. You can’t distract with a false goal and put no obstacles.

[duchy]

Why the hell do you need a watch, a navigator, a helmsman, a cap in the end, and the whole shift ??

According to one of the captains of a civilian ship, "on the radar, the ship looks like a 12-meter fishing boat, while in reality the ship is more than 185 meters in length."

One must think that they are leading the ship purely through instruments at the supersonic speed of the ship. Apparently a simple organ of the type - eyes + binoculars in Americans is not available.

[Verdun]

Here recently on the site was an article about a robot ship without a crew, so to speak, a marine drone. Apparently his computer filed a complaint!

[aviator1913]

In theory, a beautiful and futuristic ship. Stealth technology is good, of course, but let's see what its operation will show, in the USA there are no fools either, and they won’t cut endless money on unnecessary stuff.

If a ship shows its effectiveness, then a series of ships like Zumvolt will grow, if it turns out to be ineffective, then the series will fade. In any case, engineering thought should develop; thinking with old stereotypes is not always good.

Let's see what happens.

[beer-youk]

[quote = aviator1913] in the US, too, are not fools, and cut loot ... [uote]

... will be infinite. F-35 is an example!

[Ros 56]

If I understand correctly, the next American show-off by type, you will not praise yourself, no one will praise.

[beer-youk]

What no one can compare with them is the aggressiveness of false advertising!

[Bizer]

A graceful trough, but everything will end badly. The more elegant the vessel, the more ridiculous is its death ...

[Lincoln]

30 MHz - 3 GHz at this frequency, the detection range is minimal (relative to GHz), so it’s too optimistic to say the least about guaranteed detection, well, as always, adjusting.

[sounddoc]

Gentlemen, the problem of detecting Zamvalt-class ships is presented to me as a complex one. Definitely - radars with suitable parameters for detecting an adversary. Then, a space constellation with targeting of the basing areas. It is obligatory - undercover work on the basis of the Navy (if possible). And, as it were did not sound, ordinary observers who have the ability to track the exit of "Zamvalt" into the open sea. Of course, I am thinking in an amateurish way, but why not? ..

[RUSIVAN]

Well, it’s so very good that he is so invisible ... We’ll drown this nine-story building and say, but we didn’t see anything, there was nobody here !!!

[faterdom]

Won what! Flies itself, then our SU-24 over an open and clean calm sea (Black or, there, the Baltic), and there, it turns out, the invisible Donald Cook, on which the invisible sailors ... in short, could not see them, but here's the smell feces over the open sea suggested that hydrogen sulfide emerge from the depths upward ... So, hang the reflectors on the destroyers (for fishermen, so that they don’t stumble, they’ll be sick), and sailors should take berets and caps with built-in corner reflectors.

[Sevurallag]

Quote: Nagan

But all the same, the ship turned out "for all the money." Had the Yamato emerged from the bottom of the sea, or even had Stalin finished building those super-battleships that Khrushch had cut down on the stocks, I would still bet on Zumwalt against any of them, or even all of them together.

Yes uncle, you powerfully bent, so clean neighing. Following your logic, you can set Armata against your Sherman. Who do you bet on?