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Massacre at Beziers. Catholics against the Cathars

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Medieval Catholics were opposed to any version of Christianity that did not fit into the religious belief system of Rome. Therefore, when the teachings of the Cathars became widespread in the south of France, and especially in the foothills of the Pyrenees, the Roman Church decided to destroy the Cathar sect and used the fanaticism of Catholics as weapon in the fight against heresy.


Massacre at Beziers. Catholics against the Cathars

Cathedral of Saints Nazarius and Celsius in Carcassonne. These were local saints who were revered everywhere in the cities of the Languedoc.

LITTLE STORIES...

For the beginning, the preachers were sent, hoping to “rationalize” the apostates with the word of God. But apart from ridicule, the Roman papacy received nothing. Having failed, the church began to put pressure on the seniors of that region, Raymond (Raymund) V (1134 – 1194) and his heir Raymond (Raymund) VI (1156 – 1222), the counts of Toulouse, hoping to end the infidels with them.

Raymond VI was in no hurry to take action and assured the Pope of loyalty to the church dogma. Having survived public humiliation, he was forced to swear allegiance to the Catholic Church, although he could not and did not want to go against his own people.

Without waiting for the complete obedience of Raymond VI, Pope Innocent III (near 1161 - 1216) declared a crusade against the Cathars.


Cathedral of Saints Nazarius and Celsius in Beziers. The documents first mentioned the construction of the temple in the VIII century. The current church was built in the XIII century on the site of a former building that was destroyed in 1209 during a crusade against the Albigensians.

ARMY OF CROSSONS

King Philip II of France (1165 – 1223), together with his heir, did not want to lead the campaign against their own vassals, but allowed the Duke of Burgundy and Count de Nevers to take charge of the army of the Crusaders. The Burgundian aristocracy was distracted by the threat of rebellion and intrigues of the English king John (John) Landless (1166 – 1216) looming over Poitou, who had the support of German Kaiser Otton IV of Brunswick (1175 / 76 – 1218). Only 500 of the Burgundian Knights responded to the call. The army gathered in Lyon for the papal blessing was a very heterogeneous mass consisting of people of very different backgrounds.

The army also included 4000 sergeants in chain mail armor, or gober, up to the thigh, who followed the cavalry on foot. 400 crossbowmen were supposed to lead a "fire" battle. Their crossbows had the ability to release a thick and short boom at a distance of 300 m. They were arrested with a hook suspended from a belt, for which they hooked the string, inserting a leg into a loop or “stirrup” in front of the box and pushing it, i.e. leg, down. It was a very effective weapon against mail and shields. The Pope in the past twice forbade the use of crossbows against Christians, primarily because he allowed any peasant to kill the lord. And in this conflict both sides had crossbows.

RELIABLE BOTTOM ...

In the Catholic army, there was also a reserve: ribo-infantry, not trained in army discipline, a total of up to 5000 people armed with all sorts of, as a rule, very cheap weapons.

The presence of ribo in a military campaign was necessary for any medieval army. They were needed for household needs, because in addition to the soldiers who needed all sorts of services — from cooking to repairing shoes — there were also animals that needed to be grazed and looked after: they had to be fed, fed, picked. All this required a lot of people capable of doing this work. In exchange, simple food and shelter were offered. There were those who simply could not live without camp life, and therefore were ready to follow the army even to the ends of the earth.


View of the city of Beziers and its cathedral.

The army's fellow travelers armed themselves as best they could, following, first of all, the capabilities of the wallet, as well as the acquired skills. Daggers and knives were the basis of the "gentleman's set." Ordinary clubs, swords and agricultural tools also had a place to be.

Let's not forget about the presence of squires in the 1000 army. Although, in truth, many of the knights had two assistants, and the service of squires, as a rule, did not reach.


View of the Orb River and bridges over it from the roof of the cathedral. Of course, today everything has changed a lot here.

In addition, the siege train, consisting of dismantled catapults, kamnemetov, “cats” (a symbiosis of the house and a wagon with a reinforced roof and a ram suspended inside) and even siege towers, followed the campaign. Naturally, the mechanics of the train included mechanics and carpenters. The siege inventory floated down the Rhone on barges, and then set off in carts pulled by powerful oxen along the old Roman roads.

The administration of religious needs, as well as supervision of the spiritual purity of the medieval army, was carried out by several hundred clerics, headed by Arno Amory, Abbot Sito of the Cistercian monastery. The army consisted of 13 000 people, the same number of horses (fighting, race and dray), oxen and domestic animals, which were intended for the preparation of food from them. The army in the campaign stretched into a column about 10 km long.


Another view from the roof of the cathedral to the side of the river, where the tents of the crusading army once stood.

A disgraced Raymond VI, Count of Toulouse, followed by vigilant surveillance by the clergymen, also followed the train. There was no evidence of what the count was doing during the fighting, but later he left the crusade army and stood at the head of the troops in defense of the Cathars.

CROSSOVERS AT THE WALLS OF THE CITY

Campaigners spent a whole month to reach Beziers, the first major city of the Cathars, located 250 km to the west. In Montpellier (a city located in 80 km before reaching Beziers), the viscount of the city of Raymond Roger Trankawel wished to join the ranks of the Crusaders, in order to avert suspicion from himself. Abbot Amory, however, categorically refused the services of the viscount. Unable to burn out the heresy in his own lot, he should have felt the consequences of conniving, and therefore should not have expected any mercy. Upon returning to the city, Raymond-Roger informed the citizens about the need to seriously prepare for defense, while he himself and the Jews went to Carcassonne in the hope of gathering an army and helping Beziers.

The townspeople, meanwhile, began to hastily store up provisions, water, and also to check and put in order the defensive powers: to clean and deepen the moat.

Here it is worth to tell a little about Bezier. The medieval city of Beziers was then located on the northern bank of the Orb River, not far from the beautiful, warm Mediterranean Sea. At one time, the Romans built a road here, calling it Via Domitia, which went through Spain, the south of France and Italy. A bridge about 300 m in length was built across the river, along which the inhabitants of Bezier could cross from the right bank of the river to the left and back all year round, despite the extensive floods of the river in winter.

The medieval city, reliably protected by powerful walls, stood on a rocky ledge, towering over the bridge at 20 m. This allowed the defenders of the city to keep in sight and in the area through the crossbows the near part of the bridge with 400 – 500 people. Below, under the walls, Faubre clung to the rock - a village with many houses and houses that did not fit inside the city perimeter. Direct assault on the bridge was inexpedient, because it promised great losses to the enemy, and the width of the river did not allow the use of catapults and stone throwers, since the stone shells simply did not reach the walls of Beziers.

PLAN LOCATION PLAN

The crusader army approached the city walls of July 21. Bishop Bezier, who followed along with the crusaders, persuaded residents to surrender the city.

In addition, the priest asked the army to issue heretics to 200 armies named after them, offering in return saved lives of their own. The request was indignantly rejected. The townspeople hoped for their defenders, for the strength and invulnerability of the city walls. And also on the fact that, not having achieved success, in a month, the enemy army itself will disperse to their homes.

The Crusaders, meanwhile, crossed the river and camped on a sandy platform south-west of the city. The distance from the city walls was sufficient to see the enemy in time and prevent a surprise attack. Ribo's simpler shelters were located closer to the bridge.

When the darkness began to dissipate, and dawn broke, a figure of a young man armed with a knife loomed on the bridge over the river.


Here it is - this very bridge on which everything happened!

The purpose of his appearance on the bridge was incomprehensible: either bravado, or provocation, or he was simply drunk. Such courage did not promise anything good. A small detachment assembled in alarm, hastily left the city gates, and, having overtaken the young man, killed him.

It seemed, here it is, fortune! Fate itself gave the crusaders a chance to open the battle. A fight ensued between the ribo and the squad of city defenders. Defenders through Faubourg cramped back to the gate. The Crusaders rushed into battle, using the opportunity to try their luck and try to enter the city with the least loss. And the unfortunate townspeople hurried to repel the gates of the invaders. The battle moved to the narrow city streets. Everywhere cries of wounded and crying of children were heard. Men with weapons in their hands tried to fight off the attackers, fighting for their loved ones. However, the forces were unequal. Within a few hours, Beziers was ravaged, and many city dwellers found their death on the streets, and even in churches.

“BY GOOD INTENSIONS, THE ROAD TO HELL IS PUT”

The population of Beziers consisted mainly of Catholics, but Cathars were among the inhabitants. They lived, nevertheless, all amicably, peacefully, as befits respectable neighbors. Arno Amory, the abbot of the Cistercian monastery, was the one whom the Crusaders addressed with their questions. One of them sounded like this: “How can we distinguish Catholics from Cathars?”

In response, echoes of both Bible precepts sounded, and he himself became the property of history: “Kill everyone, God in heaven recognizes his own.”

And God's work began ... The entire population was destroyed, including those Catholics who hoped to find salvation at the altars of the Catholic churches. By noon, the works in the name of the Lord were completed, the city was deserted ... It cannot be said that for everything in the answer was one abbot Sieve with his carelessly abandoned phrase. 10 March 1208 Pope Innocent III, holding the council with Abbe Amory and 12 Cardinals, decided to "destroy and eradicate the Cathars ... from Montpellier to Bordeaux." In the next letter to the Pope, the abbot, with a feeling of "deep satisfaction" of the excellent work done, uttered: "Neither years, nor position, nor gender were their salvation." The exact number of victims of the massacre is not known until now. The numbers differ tenfold: from 7000 to 60 000 people, including, as they say, old men and babies.

Ribot, who took the city, and then massacred the inhabitants, looted the peaceful city of Beziers, taking away the amount of booty that they had never dreamed of in a dream. However, such insolent marauding infuriated the crusaders of the knights. Feeling left behind in the sharing of good, they decided to teach the “goloshtannyh” lesson, selecting the loot by force.

Ribot, not wanting to part with the loot, set fire to the city in retaliation. The fire was the apotheosis of this bloody orgy.

EPILOG

After Beziers, the crusade through the cities and villages continued. The warriors of Christ seized more and more new cities and castles, massacred heretics wherever they could. Thousands of them were burned. Frightened by the massacres in Beziers and, not wanting the same fate for themselves, the townspeople without resistance opened the gates of their cities. Rumors of presumptuous crusaders eventually reached the king of Aragon, who was forced to intervene and oppose the campaign in every possible way. Military operations were conducted, but not as actively as before. They faded out, then flared up, every time with varying success. 15 March 1244 of the year was a landmark day. Then the castle of Montsegur surrendered, after which, around 200, the proud and convinced Cathars of their faith were burned at the stake.


But the heretics burned! "Big Chronicle of France", about 1415, the British Library.

Another 35 years was the struggle of the Inquisition with the remnants of heresy, but did not put an end to them. In 1300, more than a dozen Cathar priests, or "perfect" ones, operating in Languedoc remained, the rest were forced to flee to Italy.

The French crown gradually took over most of the lands “liberated” from heresy. And although the Cathars were finally over, the Dominicans - the Catholic brotherhood officially recognized by the papacy - became followers of the ideals of the Cathars. Of course, not all, but those related to personal modesty and asceticism.

FORCES OF THE WARRIORS
CROSSONS (approximately)
Knights: 500
Horse Sergeants: 1000
Foot Sergeants: 4000
Crossbowmen: 400
Ribot: 5000
Total: 10900
CATARA (approximately)
City Guard: 3500
Unarmed civilian population: 30 000
Total: 33500
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  1. Good cat
    Good cat April 8 2016 06: 14
    +12
    Yeah ... "Enlightened tolerant" Europe and "good" Catholics .. More often they would look into their history and repent, instead of teaching others.
    1. andrey-ivanov
      andrey-ivanov April 8 2016 11: 55
      +4
      Yeah ... "Enlightened tolerant" Europe and "good" Catholics.

      Oh no no no. How could you. "Holy" Catholic Church and the Pope - the embodiment of God on Earth. They are infallible.
  2. a housewife
    a housewife April 8 2016 07: 29
    +4
    Zealots, no matter what faith they attribute themselves to, always serve the devil. And fanatics are used by those who wish to acquire more power, money and land. Everything is simple. And God has nothing to do with it.
  3. Lex.
    Lex. April 8 2016 07: 38
    +1
    Who cares about these Cathars?
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon April 8 2016 08: 03
      +11
      Well write something interesting to discuss
    2. baudolino
      baudolino April 8 2016 09: 01
      +6
      It is interesting here that only 100 years have passed since the Roman Church officially got rid of the united Christianity. And being the most powerful of the schismatics, it "wiped out" competitors on its territory.
    3. Pomeranian
      Pomeranian April 8 2016 10: 09
      +5
      I'm interested in.
    4. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 April 8 2016 10: 45
      +6
      Quote: Lex.
      Who cares about these Cathars?

      Well, for example, those who yell heartbrokenly that Islam is the religion of war. And Christianity, meanwhile ... Blood shed in the name of Christianity could fill more than one full-flowing river. Very reminiscent of the recommendations given in a certain holy book to some next God-chosen people, right?
      1. Pomeranian
        Pomeranian April 8 2016 10: 51
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail3
        And Christianity, meanwhile ... Blood shed in the name of Christianity could fill more than one full-flowing river.

        Strange logic. For example, if someone caused serious bodily harm to a Christmas tree chopping up in a city park, then according to your logic, are all environmental advocates a pure evil?
    5. andrey-ivanov
      andrey-ivanov April 8 2016 11: 51
      +4
      Who cares about these Cathars?

      Of course, of course, almost no one. Now, if the article was about Jews .....
    6. AK64
      AK64 April 8 2016 19: 34
      -1
      Who cares about these Cathars?


      By the way, they will mince in vain: the question is very interesting.

      I would rephrase this question as follows: in whose interests is it to arouse this modern and recent mass interest in Cathars?

      It would seem: what's in those catarrh? Did Brazil have donor pedros? But someone and for some reason arouses interest ...

      Who and why?

      And if about the Cathars, the Cathars, the Bohumils, the Pavlikians, finally --- but for some reason none of the listed ones is of interest to anyone!
      But all of these are all the same Cathars, only in Italy, the Balkans and Asia Minor ....

      So Lex puts the question right ...
    7. aba
      aba April 8 2016 20: 14
      +1
      Who cares about these Cathars?

      Maybe the Cathars are not interesting on their own, but the story and its lessons are interesting.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik April 8 2016 07: 49
    +6
    The papal legate Arnold Amalric, who accompanied the army, described the incident as follows:
    .... while the barons conferred on what tricks to use to get Catholics, servants and other low-ranking people out of the city, and some even attacked the city without weapons, without waiting for orders from the leaders. To our amazement, shouting "to arms, to arms!", In two or three hours they crossed the moat, climbed over the walls, and Beziers was taken. They did not spare anyone, they betrayed everyone to the sword, almost 20 people, regardless of rank, gender or age. After this great massacre, the whole city was plundered and burned. So miraculously, God's revenge came true ...
    The photos are wonderful, Thank you Svetlana ..!
    1. Riv
      Riv April 8 2016 09: 17
      +4
      This is what is called: "Trust the business to a fool." The Pope did not send the Cistercians to serious business anymore, but entrusted the fight against the Qatari heresy to the harsh Dominicans.
  5. with
    with April 8 2016 08: 09
    +5
    We also need history to know who you are dealing with. As the events with the Turks have shown (support for terrorism directed against Russia - fighters for the independence of Ichkeria, and Syria - support for ISIS), you need to know who you are dealing with. And historically, these are the same oriental "cunning" who are scattered in the eyes in compliments, and are ready at the first opportunity to stick a knife in the back. Europe took shape as a totalitarian society with the destruction of dissent. These are the facts. You need to be able to distinguish flies from cutlets. And European "culture" is the fruit of a historical process, in which the "owner" is always right by the right of the strongest.
  6. Buffet
    Buffet April 8 2016 09: 02
    +7
    "-Killing is a sin! -And for the sake of faith? -Well, for the sake of faith, this is a holy cause!" So let them first look at their bloody fanatics rather than try to deceive our story almost as much from Ivan the Terrible.
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    2. cumastra1
      cumastra1 April 8 2016 14: 23
      +1
      I'm afraid of offending the Catholic Church ... how will the "bestial" or "human-like" ones be more tolerant? ... the clergy of the bdin.
  7. ZIS
    ZIS April 8 2016 09: 06
    +4
    Yeah ... Our princes, kings can be safely recorded in saints, angels!
  8. Pomeranian
    Pomeranian April 8 2016 10: 09
    +5
    Excellent material. It is very easy to read without a pseudo-scientific zaum. They crushed the separatists who undermine the basis of statehood, and that's fine. One thing is surprising: no one in the comments wrote about "what they fed the horses and how they transported siege weapons on carts along the roads of the 12th century" wink .
  9. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 8 2016 10: 23
    +5
    Largely because of the many religious wars in the past, Europe has now gone to the other extreme - tolerasty (this is not only my opinion, I spoke with several European historians). If you study history, it becomes noticeable that human society, in its beliefs, sways from side to side like a pendulum. Comes to an extreme, realizes that this is not possible, then begins to roll back. Then a period of stability and prosperity passes, and goes to the other extreme. And then it all starts again. Interestingly, these cycles are gradually getting shorter and shorter. That is, everything began to happen faster. Therefore, I think that Europe will soon come back from the extremes of tolerance.
    And regarding medieval intolerance, I noticed that many comments on the site do not differ essentially from the calls of the aforementioned Pope Innocent III. Like: everyone who doesn't think like us should be "leaned against the wall." The same 500 crusaders must have gathered here am
    1. kalibr
      April 8 2016 10: 36
      +5
      You have a good comment. And especially about the pendulum ... Did you also notice that the amplitude decreases? The information society makes itself felt ...
      1. AK64
        AK64 April 8 2016 15: 37
        -3
        Well, you should understand that the nonsense is written!
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      4. Normal ok
        Normal ok April 8 2016 20: 05
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        Quote: kalibr
        You have a good comment. And especially about the pendulum ... Did you also notice that the amplitude decreases? The information society makes itself felt ...

        Thank. He wrote about what he was convinced of.
  10. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky April 8 2016 10: 53
    0
    The eternal memory of those innocently murdered by Catholics!
  11. Prager
    Prager April 8 2016 11: 42
    +3
    competent and interesting article, gladly gave it a try.
  12. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 April 8 2016 12: 48
    +4
    Very high quality article! good Yes, and with copyright photographs! hi But, dear Svetlana, I will allow a number of comments.

    Their crossbows were capable of firing a thick and short arrow at a distance of 300 m ... It was a very effective weapon against chain mail and shields.
    You are a little mistaken - shields, especially heavy ones, and especially siege ones, did not pierce crossbows. Armor - yes.

    Light crossbows had a shot energy of up to 150 J, against, for example, about only 50 J for bows. (for comparison, we can say one of the "weakest" variants of modern firearms - the Makarov pistol - muzzle energy 340 J).

    In response, echoes of both Bible precepts sounded, and he himself became the property of history: “Kill everyone, God in heaven recognizes his own.”
    Please indicate a quote from the Holy Gospels or the Epistles of the Holy Apostles, where it says "kill everyone" (while quotes from the Old Testament, especially from the Torah, please do not cite). I don't think you can lead. lol

    the clergyman asked to give out to the army about 200 heretics, named after them, offering in exchange their own saved lives. The demand with indignation was rejected.
    By the way, THIS is the key point. "If the enemy does not surrender, he is destroyed." The principle is valid to this day. They did not give up and even refused to negotiate.

    Quote: Good cat
    "Enlightened tolerant" Europe and "good" Catholics.
    Comrade, before the advent of tolerance there were still 700 years, what are you talking about?

    Quote: Mikhail3
    Well, for example, those who yell heartbrokenly that Islam is the religion of war. But Christianity, meanwhile ...

    You are not right. The fact is that in Islam, conducting jihad (in various forms) is a SACRED RESPONSIBILITY. In Christianity, ANY killing is a sin. This is the fundamental difference in BASIC PRINCIPLES.

    Quote: Pomoryanin
    They crushed the separatists, undermining the foundation of statehood and okay.
    If you look, the Cathars were neither separatists nor the demolitionists. THEY JUST ATTEMPTED TO BUILD A GENERALLY DIFFERENT STATE on the basis of ANOTHER VALUE SYSTEM, COMPLETELY DENYING AN EXISTING civilization.

    Quote: Robert Nevsky
    The eternal memory of those innocently murdered by Catholics!
    Yeah. Read the lithium on them again, you are our good one! Is it for people who blasphemed God and rejected CHRISTIANITY AS SUCH?
    1. AK64
      AK64 April 8 2016 15: 46
      -2

      Quote: Pomoryanin
      They crushed the separatists, undermining the foundation of statehood and okay.

      If you look, the Cathars were neither separatists nor the demolitionists. THEY JUST ATTEMPTED TO BUILD A GENERALLY DIFFERENT STATE on the basis of ANOTHER VALUE SYSTEM, COMPLETELY DENYING AN EXISTING civilization.


      Is it possible to decipher your thought?

      I think all the same, the Pomeranian is right: it was not the peasants who went to the Cathars, but the feudal lords, first of all, and then part of the bourgeoisie. I think the motive was precisely separatism: to separate from France.
      (This despite the fact that the vassalit of Occitania was essentially nominal - but it was.)

      About the "philanthropy" of the Cathars: there was a textbook case when a couple of noble Cathars (husband and wife - a couple) cruelly killed Catholic peasants in their castle.
      During the French Revolution, this event was repeatedly retold as evidence of the crime of the nobility --- but it was just about the Cathars.
      Good-s
  13. AK64
    AK64 April 8 2016 15: 37
    -2
    First phrase

    Medieval Catholics were opposed to any version of Christianity that did not fit into the religious belief system of Rome.


    And it is clear that you can not read further. And it’s even better not to read.
    Because the author does not understand who the Cathars are, and does not know that story
  14. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 April 8 2016 16: 33
    +4
    Quote: AK64
    I think all the same, the Pomeranian is right: it was not the peasants who went to the Cathars, but the feudal lords, first of all, and then part of the bourgeoisie. I think the motive was precisely separatism: to separate from France.

    The problem of the South of France was precisely in the fact that catharism embraced all strata of society - the question, of course, was how far the Cathars-peasants understood the intricacies of the doctrine of "wandering weavers", "fiefs".

    According to the materials of the Inquisition, only in Languedoc at the beginning of the 13th century, ONLY 40 Qatari "believers" (credenti) and more than 000 "perfect" (perfecti) REPENTED were identified.

    Quote: AK64
    the author does not understand who the Cathars are, and does not know that story
    No, she understands, but simply does not focus on religious aspects. love It is more correct to call the Cathars not a Christian sect, but anti-christians... Catharism in general was a "very strong" mixture of Manichaeism and Middle Eastern Gnostic dualism. wassat

    These were not just heretics scourging the shortcomings of the Catholic Church (as later Protestant currents), but in the full sense anti-church.In fact, catarism is one of the varieties of Luciferianism, only hidden under the various sayings of "good people".

    Just to understand how OTHER their value system was an example: for a catarrh, killing an animal was considered a serious sin. And killing a person was not considered a sin at all! and even recommended after the refusal of such a person to enter the catharism system!
    1. AK64
      AK64 April 8 2016 18: 47
      -2
      The problem in the South of France was precisely that Catharism swept all walks of life

      How is "everyone"?
      Fedals - everything, almost everything.
      The bourgeoisie (citizens) - to a large extent.
      The peasants are almost entirely Catholics. Cathars were only those whom their feudal lords "recorded" (without understanding the intricacies of religion, of course)

      - the question is, of course, to what extent the Cathars-peasants understood the intricacies of the doctrine of "wandering weavers", "Fiflov".

      Exactly.

      According to the materials of the Inquisition, only in Languedoc at the beginning of the 13th century, ONLY 40 Qatari "believers" (credenti) and more than 000 "perfect" (perfecti) REPENTED were identified.

      Still, to figure out how many of these 1000 were local, and how many were newcomers.

      Quote: AK64
      the author does not understand who the Cathars are, and does not know that story

      No, she understands, but simply does not focus on religious aspects.

      In this case, she is directly misleading the public when she writes about "Christian heresy" and about the "competition of confessions".

      love It would be more correct to call Cathars not a Christian sect, but anti-Christians. Catharism in general was a "very strong" mixture of Manichaeism and Middle Eastern Gnostic dualism. wassat

      Exactly.
      But at the same time, the same Raymond of Toulouse was called on the carpet many times, gently choked, and in the end ... they forgave? Yes, he’s tired!
      And in the end - he was not executed or arrested. He was gently told: "since you are confused in ideology, you will have to be removed from the graphs." And they took it off. But Raymond rebelled.

      And to kill the papal envoy is not a good thing at all. They killed the messenger - so who is your doctor?

      These were not just heretics scourging the shortcomings of the Catholic Church (like the later Protestant movements), but in the full sense of the anti-church. In fact, catharism is one of the varieties of Luciferianism, only hidden under the various sayings of "good people."

      Well yes. And for a long time they tried to convince them verbally.

      Just to understand how OTHER their value system was an example: for a catarrh, killing an animal was considered a serious sin. And killing a person was not considered a sin at all! and even recommended after the refusal of such a person to enter the catharism system!

      Exactly.
      Lying is not a sin, and everything else is different.
  15. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 April 9 2016 02: 17
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    I would also like to add about the "kind" Cathars, who were allegedly unfairly and cruelly oppressed by the Catholic Church, that one of the main functions of the Catholic monasteries created by the Dominican order was to provide shelter to repentant Cathars and Albigensians who were threatened with death at the hands of their former comrades.

    For example, the following episode is known: "... once nine rich women who deviated into heresy came to Saint Dominic." We heard your sermons, Dominic, - said the elder, - and we understood what the Lord was speaking through your lips. But if we return home and let us renounce heresy, they will be able to kill us "..." And to prevent this from happening, St. Dominic settled these unfortunates in a monastery.

    With iron will, righteous and strict,
    He rushed like a stream from steep mountains,
    In an open struggle with heretics,
    Which are harmful to others,
    Which over weak minds
    They had power and corrupted them.

    Incidentally, this was said by the great poet Dante about St. Dominic.

    Speaking about the Cathar worldview, there was a lot of "miraculous". For example, homosexuality among them was considered a sign of sophistication and was obligatory for the highest degrees of "initiates", because according to their worldview, they could not communicate with women.

    Or, proceeding from their flawed worldview, they forbade childbearing, and therefore the "perfect" in their "sermons" recommended "ordinary believers" to practice same-sex relationships, so as not to produce offspring. am

    In general, both in Soviet and in liberal - Western and modern Russian literature - it is traditionally believed that the Cathars were just some kind of harmless Christian heresy in general. So no, it was precisely ANTITSERKOV, a totalitarian sect of a continental scale, the purpose of which was the destruction of statehood as such.

    At the same time, it had a huge spread not only in European countries, but also in Muslim countries of Asia - for example, one can recall the movements of the "Karmats", "Zendiks" and even the same "Ismailis" (for example, the Arabian "Karmats" even managed to capture Mecca, desecrate the Kaaba and break the famous "black stone" that they took away as a trophy).
  16. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 April 10 2016 13: 30
    +1
    Quote: andrey-ivanov
    Dad is the incarnation of God on Earth.

    You are in clear error Christians categorically against any deification of people. The only God-man is Jesus Christ, the Savior, in which the divine and human nature are united together, but without mixing.

    Dogma about infallibility of decisions Roman patriarchs - one of the later and is another evidence of the deviation of the Catholic Church from the original gospel truths.

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    Who cares about these Cathars?
    Yes, actually quite a lot. for example one can compare the basic postulates of catarism (albigheism, valdnosti) and the worldview values ​​of modern Europe and the Western world as a whole.

    Take at least a large the spread of vegetarianism and even the cult of veganism. Qatar is the same - the higher the degree of initiation, the more vegetarian a person should be.

    Recall lean body cult in modern Europe. Anarexism (i.e. soreness) is portrayed as the ideal of fashion. Qatari leaders even accused of forcing their followers to fast and even to bring community members to suicide through artificial starvation.

    The inquisitors even had a "practiced" opinion - a plump and even more fat, "fleshy" person could not possibly be a Qatar and even less a Qatari leader. fellow At best, a "listener".

    Well, it’s like in the modern Western world - among their elite it is believed that a fat person cannot be successful and is not a handshake. laughing
  17. Villiam wolf
    Villiam wolf April 12 2016 09: 17
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    Thank you for the article. I look forward to more.