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A source at the Pentagon confirmed the creation by the North Koreans of a new ICBM

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In the DPRK, a new mobile intercontinental mobile rocket has really been created that can strike the United States, The Washington Free Beacon reported, citing a Pentagon source.


MBR KN-08

"North Korea has developed a new KN-14 mobile-based ICBM, which was another step by the country's leader, Kim Jong-un, to create nuclear missiles capable of striking the continental US," the newspaper quotes the interlocutor. Look.

According to him, "the new rocket replaced the mobile-based KN-08 ICBM, which became known in the 2012 year." At the same time, the source noted that the North Koreans "did not test either one or the other missiles."

“KN-14 is an upgraded version of KN-08,” added the source.

He noted that the American intelligence announced about the new rocket quite recently - in the middle of March.

Last year, KN-14 was shown at a military parade in Pyongyang, but then in the West it was not taken seriously, calling it a regular fake.

Recently, Rick Fisher, a senior fellow at the International Center for Strategies and Assessments, stated that “the flight range of KN-14 exceeds 10 thousand kilometers”.

“Its flight range is enough to hit Chicago (Illinois) or Toronto (Canada, the capital of Ontario) after launching from the northernmost point of the DPRK,” the expert assured.

"The rapid development of rockets such as the KN-08 and KN-14 shows that Pyongyang is able to create even more powerful weapon", - he said.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 2 2016 08: 37
    +5
    “The rapid development of missiles such as KN-08 and KN-14 shows that Pyongyang is capable of creating even more powerful weapons,” he said.
    Well, here's another "horror story" to knock out money from Congress ... The speed of production and their estimated amount, they do not specify.
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr April 2 2016 09: 59
      +3
      A horror story for the FSA authorities and a reason to get closer to China. We are building a defense against the North Korean superweapon ...
      1. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad April 2 2016 11: 09
        +2
        Yes, let the Americans have a headache. They teased North Korea even though they are trembling now.
        1. Pavel Tsybai
          Pavel Tsybai April 2 2016 16: 13
          +2
          I visited there - though 22 years ago, it’s true. The most that confused - COLOR DEN SIGNS. For the peasants, one and the workers, for civil servants the other, for the military next, foreigners separately, by color. But people who are ready to eat only rice with water can not do this. Toli Toli spirit is national as we have Russian.
    2. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K April 2 2016 12: 48
      -1
      Well, here's another "horror story" that would knock out money from Congress.

      Not only the generals, but also Korea itself get money from the Congress. She liked the "aid in exchange for the suspension of the nuclear program" program. True, the help has long been eaten, but nuclear developments have not been stopped either. But this time the Americans are screwing up, they realized that they were simply bred for money, and again they do not want to give. So the DPRK has to throw weapons and threats, but so far stupid. Well, the DPRK government, just in case, urged the population to prepare for hunger and postpone 100 kg of food per person for a year.
      1. 0255
        0255 April 2 2016 14: 08
        +2
        Quote: Nikolai K
        Not only the generals, but also Korea itself get money from the Congress. She liked the "aid in exchange for the suspension of the nuclear program" program. True, the help has long been eaten, but nuclear developments have not been stopped either. But this time the Americans are screwing up, they realized that they were simply bred for money, and again they do not want to give. So the DPRK has to throw weapons and threats, but so far stupid. Well, the DPRK government, just in case, urged the population to prepare for hunger and postpone 100 kg of food per person for a year.

        According to Kim fans:
    3. vodolaz
      vodolaz April 2 2016 14: 43
      0
      That's right, confirm everything, otherwise the military budget was cut. Better say that a rocket can circumnavigate the Earth twice.
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 2 2016 08: 38
    0
    "Its flight range will be enough to hit Chicago (Illinois) or Toronto (Canada, the administrative center of the province of Ontario) after launching from the northernmost point of the DPRK," the expert assured.

    What a serious expert, especially considering that "North Koreans" did not test either one or the other missiles. " smile
    1. Blondy
      Blondy April 2 2016 09: 41
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "Its flight range is enough to hit Chicago (Illinois) or Toronto (Canada, the administrative center of the province of Ontario) after launching from the northernmost point of the DPRK," the expert assured.

      What a serious expert, especially considering that the "North Koreans" did not test either one or the other missile. "


      I don’t remember exactly, but in my time under Ogarkov, Chief of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces, such mock-ups were brought along Red Square, and unofficially such leaks were slipped either about five or seven missile defense belts of the USSR that after the collapse of the USSR from such fakes our "partners" got their eyes on the forehead. It seems to me that in this case, too, the traditions of the Soviet military school are preserved.
      1. larand
        larand April 2 2016 11: 17
        +1
        Quote: Blondy
        It seems to me that in this case too, the preservation of the traditions of the Soviet military school takes place.

        Well, what are the traditions of the Soviet military school, which you do not remember exactly, but seemed to you.
        1. Blondy
          Blondy April 2 2016 12: 48
          0
          Quote: larand
          Well, what are the traditions of the Soviet military school, which you do not remember exactly, but seemed to you.


          In this case, to demonstrate false models of non-existent products. Is it really in the commentary that it is not clear enough to bring to the attention? I don’t remember exactly the models instead of which they carried fake models. And the number of defense belts is either five or seven. And what I remember exactly is that there were such facts. And that this misinformation defended the country no worse than real products and systems, the implementation of which in real life would have cost astronomical money, and that this global misinformation was organized precisely by Ogarkov. I hope for your understanding of the above this time.
    2. WKS
      WKS April 2 2016 10: 00
      0
      Now the US is full of kirdyk, they can not cope with this missile.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 2 2016 12: 29
        +4
        Quote: wks
        Now the US is full of kirdyk, they can not cope with this missile.

        definitely laughing It's time to squeeze. What did Aunt Clintonsha say about relocation to Ukraine?
  3. seti
    seti April 2 2016 08: 42
    +1
    I doubt that she can fly such a distance. Most likely, its real indicator is lower. But even if 10 000 can fly, then where is the guarantee that it will not be knocked down yet on the fly.
    Quote: svp67
    “The rapid development of missiles such as KN-08 and KN-14 shows that Pyongyang is capable of creating even more powerful weapons,” he said.
    Well, here's another "horror story" to knock out money from Congress ... The speed of production, they do not specify.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 2 2016 08: 52
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      What a serious expert, especially considering that the "North Koreans" did not test either one or the other missile. "

      Quote: seti
      I doubt that she can fly such a distance. Most likely, its real indicator is lower. But even if 10 000 can fly, then where is the guarantee that it will not be knocked down yet on the fly.

      Here is ... how you can rely on a rocket without doing comprehensive testing. This is still more reminiscent of a "paper tiger" and everything is going along a clear line - showing of new powerful turbojet engines by Koreans and this is news. Otherwise, I do not see this news as knocking out money and a reason for deploying missile defense systems.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets April 2 2016 08: 58
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        Otherwise, as a knockout of money and an occasion for the deployment of missile defense systems, I do not see this news.

        Well, judging by the downsides, there are many in VO who either unconditionally believe in the "gloomy North Korean genius" or in American experts. smile
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 April 2 2016 09: 13
          +1
          "A Pentagon Source Confirmed The North Koreans Are Creating A New ICBM"
          Only one question. Is this information today or yesterday? For today is April 2nd.
          Believe me, it's hard to believe in this: "North Korea has developed a new mobile-based ICBM KN-14, which was another step of the country's leader Kim Jong-un to create missiles with nuclear warheads capable of striking the continental United States."
          1. pts-m
            pts-m April 2 2016 12: 46
            0
            Observer 2014 9:13. Yes, the satellite pendos could see TTX plates nailed to ICBM mock-ups. That was the sound of their alarm in the media.
    2. ,
      , April 2 2016 09: 26
      0
      It is felt that the amers are impatient for their "crazy" Koreans to fire at them, then they will happily test their nuclear weapons on living people for the second time.
    3. hamadryad
      hamadryad April 2 2016 10: 11
      +1
      Quote: seti
      I doubt that she can fly such a distance. Most likely her real indicator is lower

      if a rocket was able to bring a satellite into near-Earth orbit, then 10 thousand is more than realistic. And on approach it is customary to shoot down not missiles, but warheads, which now is an extremely difficult task. In practice, it is almost unsolvable, whatever Wikipedia writes.
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 2 2016 10: 38
      0
      For the US Navy, all DPRK missiles are a deadly threat, and they also said that the DPRK began to develop an analogue of the Flare torpedoes Flurry.
  4. demiurg
    demiurg April 2 2016 08: 49
    +1
    What mbr? What are 10 thousand km?
    The budget is on the way, you need to get it a bit to the defense industry, and we’ll bring two buses to the experts, with pictures and presentations.
    Apparently, Eun has something to deliver the bomb to the United States, and not the current missile, which, like the R-7, is fueled on the launch pad. The sub is likely.
  5. Safer
    Safer April 2 2016 08: 52
    +3
    Well, wait and see. For me, the more powerful enemies the United States has, the better.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 April 2 2016 09: 27
      +1
      Quote: Safer
      For me, the more powerful enemies the United States has, the better.

      Associated with the saying: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend," - I will note that the more friends we have.

      Concerning:
      Well, here's another "horror story" to knock out money from Congress ...


      This is another powerful argument in favor of not(horseradish) it is necessary to wave nuclear cudgels before the faces of completely strangers; erysipelas physiognomy ... wink
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 2 2016 12: 34
        +2
        Quote: yuriy55
        Quote: Safer
        For me, the more powerful enemies the United States has, the better.

        Associated with the saying: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend," - I will note that the more friends we have.

        With regard to SC - not a fact.
        The DPRK is not on the list of friends. Rather, in "potential threats".
        Anyway, the word "friend" in terms of geopolitics is not applicable, I think. It will be correct "our partners" (c) laughing
        But in essence - we are talking at all venues about a multipolar world. Here is another pole drew.
  6. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa April 2 2016 08: 56
    +5
    Eun has a Stalinist approach to the citadel of imperialism. Therefore, the 100 Amas will think twice before doing anything regarding the DPRK.
    And the rocket, apparently, is * a flying log *, without modern means of overcoming missile defense. It will be difficult to get such an overseas adversary. Especially offshore ships deployed offshore missile defense component with Aegis and SM-3. I'm afraid that under such conditions, KN-14 will not overcome the active site either.
    And so, well, every state has the right to protect its sovereignty and territorial integrity in ways that are accessible to it.
    As the saying goes: "" Chuchhe in their hands! "
    1. gergi
      gergi April 2 2016 09: 05
      +4
      He will overcome the missile defense, he will not overcome, it is not a hunt to check on his precious skin. May Chicago disappear. Really exclusive. Decisive people with an atomic club are a nightmare for penal doo stan heroes. Well done Koreans. I wish you success in your fight against Satan.
    2. hamadryad
      hamadryad April 2 2016 10: 04
      0
      where is such a conclusion? Koreans were able to make ICBMs, but they did not overcome the missile defense task? Making false and maneuvering warheads is a much simpler task. The only real problem is the booster section, but it can be solved.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 2 2016 10: 30
        0
        Surely China transferred technology, design documentation and everything else on ICBMs to 80, along with missile defense systems of that time.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo April 2 2016 10: 38
          +5
          Quote: Vadim237
          Surely China transferred technology, design documentation and everything else on ICBMs to 80, along with missile defense systems of that time.

          China, like the USSR, refrained from transferring DPRK missile and nuclear technologies. The history of North Korean rocket science began in the late 70's after several Soviet OTR R-17 were delivered to Egypt from the DPRK.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 2 2016 17: 09
            0
            But then the DPRK began mass production of short- and medium-range missiles, and now they are doing ICBMs, they are probably helping children and not only technically.
            1. Bongo
              Bongo April 3 2016 01: 55
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              But then the DPRK began mass production of short- and medium-range missiles, and now they are doing ICBMs, they are probably helping children and not only technically.

              Read it again:
              Nuclear era.
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa April 3 2016 19: 36
                +1
                Quote: Bongo
                Read it again:
                Nuclear era.
                Sergei! Followed your advice. Read. Got true intellectual pleasure. Thank you so much for your work on this issue.
                Sincerely, Boa. hi
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo April 4 2016 05: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  Sergei! Followed your advice. Read. Got true intellectual pleasure. Thank you so much for your work on this issue.
                  drinks
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 3 2016 19: 33
        +2
        Quote: Hamadryl
        Making false and maneuvering warheads is a much simpler task.

        Dear Hamadril! He is Kutak Walrus!
        There are such Parameters, as the maximum firing range depending on the weight to be thrown. Weight to be thrown. Starting mass. Type of warhead. And all this is accompanied by stringent weight and size requirements. The SPPRO complex is 1 / 3 from the payload. Of course, if you want to mislead the enemy, rather than mark running in place with foil and tins.
        Then: either Range or SBP Power is sacrificed to the first parameter. Judging by the * pioneer * age of the DPRK's nuclear missile program, I’m not sure that the Range (11000km) and power (0,5Мт) Un will allow touching.
        Question: What, then, will the Amsk missile defense systems be misleading?
        And then, it is very difficult to make the dummy look like a BB.
        About false maneuvering BG. Make them a difficult and difficult task!
        Our ICBMs have already flown, the RCM IN plowed up the battle fields on the Kura, and only then (!) Did the maneuvering BB appear. The whole chip in a huge amount of work on thermodynamics, the creation of ultra-high-melting alloys and ceramics, process software, full-scale research. Remember how D. Rogozin squealed with joy when they passed state tests.
        I did not observe anything like this among the northerners. Therefore, he concluded that they do not have SPPRO on products.
        Maybe - I'm wrong. But all the worse for Yuserov and samurai. yes
  7. black
    black April 2 2016 08: 56
    -6
    Koreans are not Chinese, but one rocket from a slingshot is enough to launch people. Koody racket will fly.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 April 2 2016 10: 31
      0
      So Koreans need to fly to the United States (this "need to"according to your statement.) How then will a citizen under the flag of the United States be mocking?
  8. hamadryad
    hamadryad April 2 2016 08: 57
    +7
    Respect to the chubby Pups Eunu! Here is a real ruler! Officials do not steal billions from him and then do not dump the West, he does not buy American treasuries, taking money from his working people, world Zionist Masons do not rule in his country, soldering and anesthetizing people, he doesn’t import millions of supposedly hard-working migrants who carry crime, illness and spread rot to the indigenous population, and his rating is not higher than that of a galley rower, only the respect and love of the people are real and not bloated by the Blevada Centers. Along with Iran, one from few countries, not standing before the world hegemon. Glory to the brave Korean people!
    1. 0255
      0255 April 2 2016 14: 39
      -1
      That's just the "great sun-like" studied in the decaying west in Switzerland, and does not hesitate to accept bourgeois South Korean, Japanese and pindoss humanitarian aid, uses no less pindoss iMac, drives a gay-European Mercedes laughing
    2. Blondy
      Blondy April 2 2016 17: 56
      0
      Quote: Hamadryl
      Respect to the chubby Pups Eunu! Here is a real ruler! Officials do not steal billions from him and then do not dump the West, he does not buy American treasuries, taking money from his working people, world Zionist Masons do not rule in his country, soldering and anesthetizing people, he doesn’t import millions of supposedly hard-working migrants who carry crime, illness and spread rot to the indigenous population, and his rating is not higher than that of a galley rower, only the respect and love of the people are real and not bloated by the Blevada Centers. Along with Iran, one from few countries, not standing before the world hegemon. Glory to the brave Korean people!

      You probably watch North Korean TV and know Korean?
      And here's what in Russian, English and other UN languages
      Investigating the human rights situation in North Korea, the UN Commission concluded that North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has eclipsed even his father, a famous foodie and admirer of a beautiful life, for his love of luxury. North Korea’s luxury spending totaled $ 2012 million in 645,8. Meanwhile, Kim Jong-il spent an average of 330 million on these goals.

      North Korean imports in Eun’s first year included dozens of Mercedes-Benz limos and musical instruments, including dozens of expensive pianos. The UN Commission did not find out how these and other luxury goods got into the DPRK, to which, according to UN sanctions, only essential goods and medicines can be delivered.

      A substantial cinema cost Eun a personal cinema for a thousand spectators. The authors of the report believe that the North Korean leader is trying to buy fidelity to his closest associates with expensive gifts and handouts.

      One defector told members of the UN Commission that Pyongyang is earning currency for the purchase of luxury goods through the illegal sale of alcohol in Muslim countries and the smuggling of ivory from Africa to China.

      And billions do not steal because they are there in sufficient quantity
  9. Wayna qhapaq
    Wayna qhapaq April 2 2016 08: 57
    +2
    The more missiles North Korea has capable of reaching the United States, the better for us - the more distant is the prospect of "democratizing" the Korean Peninsula by the forces of all kinds of coalitions. We don't need a war close by. So, success to the DPRK engineers in the righteous cause of defending their fatherland. Resident of Primorye.
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 2 2016 09: 01
    0
    And what, the Koreans launched the satellite, generally around the Earth. So from more complicated ICBMs. The question is with the speed of use, etc., but what will fly is more likely than not.
    And the fact that several Korean missiles will make the main threat to Matrasia - I do not believe. Russia, from this point of view, is much worse. She definitely has missiles, boats, and strategists in the air. And we even know exactly how many warheads there are. But logic is not available to striped ears. They want a "wow" effect.
  11. Friends
    Friends April 2 2016 09: 02
    +2
    If you look at it from the point of view of the DPRK’s security - a tool to deter external aggression - well done guys ...

    Last year, KN-14 was shown at a military parade in Pyongyang, but then in the West it was not taken seriously, calling it a regular fake.


    Well yes. How can these natives create something (thought the "best minds" of the USA). Moreover, they have sanctions ... And sanctions, as the beacon of democracy - Barak Khusseinich assures - are tearing the economy to shreds ...
  12. SAA
    SAA April 2 2016 09: 36
    +2
    Ukrainian engineers promise to create something, but the Koreans create nothing promising. Campaign Ukrainian engineers have long been working in Korea.
  13. Leprekon
    Leprekon April 2 2016 09: 39
    +1
    For all the perniciousness of the policy of the next "KIM" for stability on our eastern borders, it is nevertheless pleasing that some countries not only refuse to "stand on their hind legs" in front of the hegemon, but are also able to bite on occasion!
  14. igorek4515
    igorek4515 April 2 2016 09: 46
    +1
    Quote: seti
    I doubt that she can fly such a distance. Most likely her real indicator is lower

    Americans previously previously doubted the ability of North Koreans to create ICBMs. Now they have recognized .. So the question of doubt is this thing ..
    Quote: svp67
    Here is ... how you can rely on a rocket without comprehensive testing. This is still more reminiscent of a "paper tiger" and everything is going along a clear line - the demonstration of new powerful turbojet engines by the Koreans and this is news.

    And such a thing as mathematical modeling is not familiar to you ..? Now, by the way, in the USA and Russia, even a nuclear explosion on a computer is simulated instead of real tests ..
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    And the rocket, apparently, is * a flying log *, without modern means of overcoming missile defense. It will be difficult to get such an overseas adversary. Especially offshore ships deployed offshore missile defense component with Aegis and SM-3. I am afraid that under such conditions, KN-14 will not overcome the active section

    Well, whether or not it will be overcome by "the grandmother said in two" .. Moreover, as a colleague answered:
    Quote: gergi
    He will overcome the missile defense, he will not overcome, it is not a hunt to check on his precious skin.

    Well, the Koreans do not stop there. tested a solid propellant rocket engine for BR. now the next step is the creation of solid-fuel ICBMs. And this is another, higher level of rocket technology.
    Well, in addition, here's another piece of news:
    http://ria.ru/world/20160401/1400806738.html
    "We want North Korea to immediately stop such provocative steps and act for its own good and the development of the South and North," said Jung Joon Ryonghap, a spokesman for the Ministry of National Unification of the Republic of Korea, at a briefing.
    The border between North and South Korea. Archive photo
    © AFP 2016 / Jung Yeon-Je
    South Korea accuses North Korea of ​​trying to disrupt GPS
    South Korea does not have the technology to contain GPS interference. "A technical way to block GPS interference has not yet been developed," the agency quoted an anonymous military source as saying.

    Well and further:
    Agency sources report that the DPRK sends radio waves to jam GPS signals from the environs of the city of Haju in the west and the Kymgansan mountain range in the east along the demilitarized zone between the South and the North.
    The agency claims that Pyongyang has approximately ten pieces of equipment to disrupt GPS in South Korea. Their range reaches over 100 kilometers and easily covers the South Korean capital.


    And this, whatever one may say, is a sign of complete electronic warfare systems ..
  15. ILIA
    ILIA April 2 2016 09: 57
    0
    Koreans have nothing to lose am
  16. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 2 2016 10: 37
    +1
    capable of striking the continental USA

    In my opinion, the United States, as usual, is trying to adjust the information received to suit its interest. They (the Americans) understand very well that nothing really threatens them, but it is necessary to once again show their "vulnerability" from a virtual threat.
  17. igorek4515
    igorek4515 April 2 2016 11: 31
    0
    Quote: rotmistr60
    In my opinion, the United States, as usual, is trying to tailor the information received to its interest.

    Naturally .. First of all, to expose the DPRK and Kim personally as such a bloodthirsty monster brandishing a nuclear baton and intending to destroy all "progressive humanity" ...)))))
    Quote: rotmistr60
    ... They (the Americans) understand very well that nothing really threatens them, but it is necessary to once again show their "vulnerability" from a virtual threat.

    At this stage, there is no threat to them (the Americans) due to the imperfection of North Korean missiles, as well as to their negligible number, especially given their worldwide missile defense system deployed
  18. igorek4515
    igorek4515 April 2 2016 11: 38
    +1
    Quote: Leprechaun
    For all the perniciousness of the policy of the next "KIM" for stability on our eastern borders,

    And why is it (Kim's policy) harmful ..? Now, if you look at it, it’s just that, despite all the public statements of the Americans and their South Korean allies that they are ready to destroy the most important facilities of the DPRK with a preemptive strike and publicly practice this on the current exercises, there is still no new big war on the Korean peninsula is explained precisely by Kim's policy and the presence and improvement of nuclear weapons in his country, and not by some good intentions or by the peacefulness and humanity of the Americans and South Koreans, as they themselves and some Russian representatives of the so-called "liberal intelligentsia" are trying to explain ..
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 2 2016 14: 14
      +2
      Quote: igorek4515
      And what is it (Kim’s policy) harmful ..? Now if you figure it out

      I see that the Korean theme will never bore you) The persistence with which you defend your sympathies for the DPRK is even respected (without irony).
      However, it seems to me, all this sounds more like a farce (I'm talking about demonstrating triceps). For Kim's "preventive" nuclear strike, there is a plan 5015 on preventive special operations. Who will re-prevent whom? And where is the notorious "red line"?
  19. kalita
    kalita April 2 2016 11: 39
    0
    Well, Obama, Russia has flowers, but Korea will not think and will send several missiles to visit Washington.
    1. 0255
      0255 April 2 2016 13: 53
      -2
      Quote: kalita
      Well, Obama, Russia has flowers, but Korea will not think and will send several missiles to visit Washington.

      And then the DPRK will be razed to the ground for this, neither the Russian Federation nor China will intercede for “Great Marshal” Kim and will even condemn him for a nuclear strike. If Kim is so cool, why isn't he launching a missile at the US right now? Most likely, he again begs for food from the imperialists, as in 2013, if he gets it, he will shut up for a couple of years until the food runs out again.
      Kim fans, will it become easier for you if your idol foolishly destroys 1 unfortunate South Korean, Japanese and American city?
  20. gg.na
    gg.na April 2 2016 13: 53
    0
    Well done yes Kim! The man bully ! keep it up good ! Let the overseas adversary shake and do in panties lol at night wink ! I am very happy!!! drinks
  21. igorek4515
    igorek4515 April 2 2016 15: 15
    0
    Quote: Pinky F.
    I see that the Korean theme will never bore you) The persistence with which you defend your sympathies for the DPRK is even respected (without irony

    Firstly, my sympathy has nothing to do with it. I am only for a more objective and unbiased assessment of this country. And yes .. I have been seriously and seriously interested in the Korean theme for a long time simply because I am very interested in this heroic people and have read a bunch of serious literature on this topic. I repeat SERIOUS literature and not publications in news feeds, as always one-sidedly biased, like most of the local inhabitants ..
    Quote: Pinky F.
    However, it seems to me, all this sounds more like a farce (I'm talking about demonstrating triceps). For Kim's "preventive" nuclear strike, there is a plan 5015 on preventive special operations. Who will re-prevent whom? And where is the notorious "red line"?

    Here you need to look at the whole history of Korean-American relations .. This issue is not so simple .. As for the "red line", it just consists in the fact that making public statements is one thing, but moving from words to deeds is completely different .. Neither Koreans nor Americans want this .. For the consequences are well understood by everyone ..
    Quote: 0255
    And then the DPRK will be razed to the ground for this, neither the Russian Federation nor China will intercede for "Great Marshal" Kim and will even condemn him for a nuclear strike

    Firstly, they will not be equaled .. And the DPRK absolutely does not count on the help of Russia or China as in the last war, which is why, contrary to the position of China and Russia, it has taken the path of developing its own nuclear weapons.
    Quote: 0255
    If Kim is so cool, then why doesn't he launch a missile across the USA right now? Most likely he again begs for food from the imperialists, as in 2013, if he receives it, he will shut up for a couple of years until the food runs out again

    Well, if the Americans are so cool, why don’t they start to destroy preventively North Korean nuclear facilities and the leadership as they wrote in their plan 5015 ..? Most likely they are afraid that starting a war in this way they may well get a nuclear fungus somewhere over Chiaikago or Manhattan and over Seoul to boot .. And how they will be sweating to justify to their American and South Korean citizens for the fact that such a tough and boasted American army could not protect the citizens of these countries from North Korean nuclear weapons ..
  22. Old26
    Old26 April 2 2016 15: 16
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    Quote: Blondy
    Quote: larand
    Well, what are the traditions of the Soviet military school, which you do not remember exactly, but seemed to you.


    In this case, to demonstrate false models of non-existent products. Is it really in the commentary that it is not clear enough to bring to the attention? I don’t remember exactly the models instead of which they carried fake models. And the number of defense belts is either five or seven. And what I remember exactly is that there were such facts. And that this misinformation defended the country no worse than real products and systems, the implementation of which in real life would have cost astronomical money, and that this global misinformation was organized precisely by Ogarkov. I hope for your understanding of the above this time.

    Layouts were demonstrated. In particular, the global rocket GR-1. They also carried anti-aircraft missiles (real, not mock-ups) of the Dal system, which our commentators then called an anti-missile. Westerners argued that the USSR had several missile defense belts, in particular the so-called. "Tallinn missile defense belt".
    That's just all this happened about 15 years before Ogarkov became chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the USSR, or rather, all this happened in the mid-60s
    In addition, the "leaks" about the belts were multiplied by zero after the conclusion of the contract, 5 years after these shows.

    Quote: wks
    Now the US is full of kirdyk, they can not cope with this missile.

    Of course kirdyk. How otherwise. How can you cope with a rocket that has never been tested. KN-08 at least once, but have tested, but KN-14 .... Yes, and almost 40 missiles in Alaska and California - what can they do against KN-14 ...

    Quote: gg.na
    Well done yes Kim! The man bully ! keep it up good ! Let the overseas adversary shake and do in panties lol at night wink ! I am very happy!!! drinks

    I'm glad you are happy. But will the inhabitants of Primorye be delighted if this Well-Man-Man has a roof gone and he dares to scandalize America. I don’t know if the Americans will do the pants, but if the clouds cover the coast, it is unlikely that the residents will share your enthusiasm for this male
  23. igorek4515
    igorek4515 April 2 2016 15: 20
    -1
    Quote: 0255
    Kim fans, will it become easier for you if your idol foolishly destroys 1 unfortunate South Korean, Japanese and American city?

    Fans of South Korea and the United States .. Will it be easier for you if your idols "raze to the ground" another country just like Libya, Iraq, Syria, etc ...? Or for you, any regime declared by your idols "bloody" and "dictatorial" is subject to immediate and unconditional destruction .. Then why are you so regretful about the POSSIBLE destruction of one American, Japanese or South Korean city .. Or for you any of these possibly destroyed cities is not worth the whole country ..?
    1. 0255
      0255 April 2 2016 16: 23
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      Quote: igorek4515
      Fans of South Korea and the USA .. Will it be easier for you if your idols "raze to the ground" another country just like Libya, Iraq, Syria, etc ...? Or, for you, any regime declared by your idols as "bloody" and "dictatorial" is subject to immediate and unconditional destruction.

      Again you declare me a fan of the United States for being against Kim laughing "Cool" logic you have - who does not like the sick on the head "great marshal" Kim - that's all, that 5th column and a traitor who sold himself to the bloody State Department for bloody cookies or dollars ... I wrote to you that I don't like neither The United States, nor the DPRK with their own policies. Or do you not admit the thought that one cannot hate both the United States and the DPRK at the same time?
  24. igorek4515
    igorek4515 April 2 2016 15: 54
    -3
    Quote: Old26
    KN-08 then at least once, but have tested, but KN-14 ....

    Well, the fact that KN-14 is essentially the same KN-08 doesn’t mean anything to you. 7 well, if you haven’t experienced it yet, why are you sure that it will not be tested in the future ..?
    Quote: Old26
    Yes, and almost 40 missiles in Alaska and California - what can they do against KN-14 ..

    And what is the effectiveness of intercepting ICBM warheads from these missiles in Alaska what ..? They intercepted many ICBM warheads during the tests ..?
    Quote: Old26
    But will the inhabitants of Primorye be delighted if this Well-Man-Man has a roof gone and he dares to scandalize America.

    And you ask the residents of Primorye, they will be glad if the Americans and South Koreans arrange another war with bombing and launches of Tomahawks directly near their borders and there is no fear that "by mistake" something may fly to them and not the fact that they will also do without the use of nuclear weapons ...? In the last Korean War, the Americans "by mistake" even bombed a Soviet military airfield near Vladivostok .. Where is the guarantee that now there will be no such "mistakes" ..? + crowds of refugees in to them .. who need to be fed, equipped, and so on.
  25. igorek4515
    igorek4515 April 2 2016 16: 41
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    Quote: 0255
    Again you declare me a fan of the United States for being against Kim

    Well, for exactly the same reason, I’m here being declared a fan of Kim .. Including you ..
    Quote: 0255
    You have "cool" logic - who does not like the "great marshal" Kim, who is sick on the head - that's all, that 5th column and a traitor,

    Exactly the same as the opponents. if you are against South Korea then you are a fan of Kim and a supporter of the "bloody dictator and Stalinism .. As always, they like to rush to extremes here ..
    Quote: 0255
    I wrote to you that I do not like either the United States or the DPRK with its policy. Or do you not allow the idea that you can not hate the United States and North Korea at the same time?

    I suppose that you can .. But one thing bothers me that for example, in your comments I have never read a single condemning word to the United States which, in your own words, you hate no less than the DPRK .. But only a condemnation of the DPRK and personally of Kim. This is what makes me doubt the truth of your words that you simultaneously hate both the DPRK and the USA ..
    1. 0255
      0255 April 2 2016 17: 39
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      Quote: igorek4515
      I suppose that you can .. But one thing bothers me that for example, in your comments I have never read a single condemning word to the United States which, in your own words, you hate no less than the DPRK .. But only a condemnation of the DPRK and personally of Kim. This is what makes me doubt the truth of your words that you simultaneously hate both the DPRK and the USA ..

      If you wish, read my 4,4k comments, in which I criticize the United States no less than the "great sun-like" Kim.
  26. igorek4515
    igorek4515 April 2 2016 17: 51
    +1
    Quote: 0255
    If you wish, read my 4,4k comments, in which I criticize the United States no less than the "great sun-like" Kim.

    However, in topics related to Korea, you unequivocally speak in favor of the United States. What says that your bias in this topic .. In reality, in the Korean topic, one should not blame only one side of the conflict, because this is at least not fair, at most it is simply dangerous. .. For if one country, even such a small one as North Korea, is driven into a corner by international pressure and a blockade, and even possessing nuclear weapons, it will not seem enough to anyone .. Thirdly, This whole situation with the escalation of the conflict on the Korean Peninsula arose precisely due through the fault of the United States .. Who are now trying to present themselves as a kind of "peacemaker" allegedly trying with all their might to resolve the situation, but in fact they are doing everything to further exacerbate it and push the conflicting parties of the DPRK and South Korea to war among themselves. At the same time, they themselves, as always, hope to sit out overseas .. But the DPRK's possession of its intercontinental missiles is already breaking this entire American plan. Just because the Americans will no longer be able to sit out with impunity overseas .. And they have to reckon with it ..
  27. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 April 2 2016 18: 30
    +1
    Quote: Hamadryl
    Officials do not steal billions from him and then do not dump the West,
    Yah ? A little higher have already shown that not everything is so simple! laughing

    Quote: Hamadryl
    in his country the world Zionist Masons do not rule, soldering and anesthetizing the people,

    You already decide - or the Zionists, or the Freemasons - otherwise I don’t know any known historical figure who was both a Zionist and a Freemason !!!! wassat

    Quote: Blondy
    North Korea’s luxury spending in 2012 amounted to 645,8 million dollars. Meanwhile, Kim Jong Il spent an average of 330 million on these goals.
    North Korean imports in Eun’s first year included dozens of Mercedes-Benz limos and musical instruments, including dozens of expensive pianos.

    This phrase should be BOLD for Kim fans and so that they constantly read it!

    Quote: igorek4515
    Then why are you so sad about the POSSIBLE destruction of one American, Japanese or South Korean city ..

    Yes, because in this case the Amer’s otter will cover OUR Far East! It is clear that on the North Koreans themselves, the 2ev, which millions will fall in this case, do not care. And on their own Russians you do not give a damn too?
  28. igorek4515
    igorek4515 April 2 2016 18: 47
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    Quote: Warrior2015
    This phrase should be BOLD for Kim fans and so that they constantly read it!

    Well, I’ll give you a completely fresh figure on government spending in North Korea and not for 2012 but literally quite fresh:
    http://tass.ru/ekonomika/3165125
    Pyongyang, March 31. / Corr. TASS Yuri Sidorov. The deputies of the annual session of the Presidium of the DPRK of the DPRK have focused on economic problems. As reported by the TsTAK news agency, representatives of the unicameral parliament approved the draft state budget for the next fiscal year (until April next year). Defense spending remains unchanged at 15,8%.
    At the same time, judging by the project, the authorities decided to increase spending on the development of science and technology by 5,2%, education - by 8,1%, health care - 3,8%, sports - 4,1%, and culture - 7,4 ,XNUMX%. A large amount of funds, notes CTAC, is planned to be spent on the education of Korean children living in Japan.
    In general, in the new fiscal year, the authorities plan to increase government spending on the needs of economic development by 5,6% compared with the previous one.

    Quote: Warrior2015
    Yah ? A little higher have already shown that not everything is so simple!

    At least his corruption is not at such a level as in Ukraine or even in Russia ... there they will not even allow this to happen close ..
    Quote: Warrior2015
    Yes, because in this case, the Amer otter will cover OUR Far East! It’s clear that the North Koreans themselves, who are supposed to be millions in this case, do not care

    And you might think they don’t give a damn ..?
    Quote: Warrior2015
    And on their own Russians you do not give a damn too?

    It would be much better for Russia to make efforts to REALLY resolve the conflict and not to unconditionally support only one side of the conflict and thereby worsen the situation near its borders .. Thereby, the threat to the Russians living in the immediate vicinity of the potential conflict area will decrease.
  29. igorek4515
    igorek4515 April 2 2016 19: 53
    +2
    And by the way .. A new school year has begun in the DPRK. there it begins in April and not in September as ours. Here is a link there a short video on this topic:

    Pay attention to what North Korean schoolchildren want to become, unlike Russian ones, for example. This is a very revealing example ..
    1. 0255
      0255 April 2 2016 20: 35
      +1
      As a child, we all wanted to become great scientists, researchers, doctors, astronauts, pilots, etc. For such dreams, it is not necessary to give birth to the DPRK. But not everyone becomes what they dreamed of in childhood, reality is not so rosy. Maybe these children will then plow on the bulls for a plate of rice or a salary of $ 3-5, instead of becoming who they wanted because of children's naivety.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 3 2016 09: 18
        0
        Who knows what will be there in 20-30 years - maybe even the sanctions will be lifted.
  30. igorek4515
    igorek4515 April 2 2016 21: 01
    -1
    Quote: 0255
    As a child, we all wanted to become great scientists, researchers, doctors, astronauts, pilots, etc., for such dreams, giving birth to the DPRK is not necessary.

    And you just compare who the children want to become now in Russia, for example, and not in the USSR ..
    Quote: 0255
    Maybe these children will then plow on the bulls for a plate of rice or a salary of $ 3-5, instead of becoming what they wanted because of children's naivety

    Maybe they will or maybe not .. Time will tell .. Do you think that in Russia, for example, all children growing up live in full abundance and do not experience any difficulties and deprivations ..?
    It's just that I'm trying to break the established stereotype that the DPRK is some kind of scary and terrible Mordor thanks to our and not only our media .. And to show that this is a completely normal Asian country. yes poor, yes small but quite NORMAL ... albeit slowly and with great difficulty, but still developing, and note this under the most severe economic sanctions and embargoes, but in fact, in conditions of an almost complete trade and economic blockade ..
    1. 0255
      0255 April 2 2016 22: 59
      +1
      Quote: igorek4515

      Maybe they will or maybe not .. Time will tell .. Do you think that in Russia, for example, all children growing up live in full abundance and do not experience any difficulties and deprivations ..?

      I think that it is better than in the DPRK.

      It's just that I'm trying to break the established stereotype that the DPRK is some kind of scary and terrible Mordor thanks to our and not only our media .. And to show that this is a completely normal Asian country. yes poor, yes small but quite NORMAL ... albeit slowly and with great difficulty, but still developing, and note this under the most severe economic sanctions and embargoes, but in fact, in conditions of an almost complete trade and economic blockade ..

      Normal - with the prohibitions of everything and everything, with the personality cult of Kimov ?! Yes, send you there - you will howl from such a life as North Koreans live. You live in prosperous Kazakhstan, having electricity, the Internet, normal food, personal transportation, and imported goods. To deprive you of all this, to make you praise the leaders - will you be very happy? I think it’s unlikely. But you think that there is nothing terrible in North Korean life, while you yourself are not living like that.
      As for the sanctions - sanctions were imposed on Assad, but the Russian Federation supplies him with weapons, it is quite possible that for free. So what prevents Kim from buying Russian equipment, did he meet with Putin, like the late "great" Kim Jong Il? By the way, despite the embargo, Kim Jong-un bought expensive Mercedes for himself. Why can he buy himself a gay-European Merce under the sanctions, but he cannot buy food for the people, that he has to threaten his neighbors with missiles?
  31. igorek4515
    igorek4515 April 2 2016 21: 27
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    Quote: 0255
    All of us in childhood wanted to become great scientists, researchers, doctors, astronauts, pilots, etc., for such dreams, being born in the DPRK is not necessary

    I agree that it’s not necessary to be born there. But look WHAT do Russian children want to become NOW ..? lawyers, economists, bankers, top managers, and even bandits or prostitutes at all .. This is an indicator of the moral health of society ..
  32. igorek4515
    igorek4515 April 3 2016 00: 40
    +1
    Quote: 0255
    I think that it is better than in the DPRK.

    I am not sure that all Russian children live better than children in the DPRK. especially in some sort of Russian backwoods.
    Quote: 0255
    Normal - with the prohibitions of everything and everything, with the personality cult of Kimov ?! Yes, send you there - you will howl from such a life as North Koreans live. You live in prosperous Kazakhstan, having electricity, the Internet, normal food, personal transportation, and imported goods. To deprive you of all this, to make you praise the leaders - will you be very happy? I think it’s unlikely. But you think that there is nothing terrible in North Korean life, while you yourself are not living like that.

    there is electricity ... Yes, there are interruptions, but there have already been many hydroelectric power stations built so that the situation with the power supply is not as terrible as it seems. Normal food is also there .. All these horror stories about the fact that the North Koreans swell with hunger and chew the grass are tired of refuting quite a bit ..
    private transport is not such a necessity, especially if public transport is developed. UT I had no personal transport under the Union and nothing, I lived and did not complain .. imported goods .. well, what difference does it make that imported or domestic goods are important if they are convenient, high-quality and practical .. I, unlike some, do not chase import . I have listed the requirements for goods and it doesn’t matter whether it is import or not .. As for the praise of leaders .. You just didn’t live in Kazakhstan .. Our respect for the president is not much different from that of the North Koreans Kim .. Yes, and in Russia, judging by the statements Putin’s praise on the Internet, for example, and the media, too, is already very reminiscent of the same ..
    so I think that there’s nothing to whine .. + add here free medicine, education, etc. free housing, etc. + lack of taxes as such for citizens .. In the DPRK, there is no taxation of citizens ..
    1. 0255
      0255 April 3 2016 09: 51
      +1
      private transport is not such a necessity, especially if public transport is developed. UTs at the Union there was no personal transport and nothing, lived and did not complain ..

      Do you have a car now? Is it better to live with her, I guess? Deny you ride it, really take it easy?
      In the USSR, unlike the DPRK, personal transport was not banned, magazines such as Modelist-Konstruktor even had articles on how to assemble a car for those who did not want to wait in line for 5 years.
      Imported goods .. Well, what difference does it make that imported or domestic goods are important that they are convenient, high-quality and practical .. I, unlike some, do not chase import. I have listed the requirements for goods and it doesn’t matter whether it is import or not ..

      The quality of many goods produced in the CIS countries (not all of course) is inferior to import, sadly, one has to take rotting-western products.
      You just didn’t live in Kazakhstan .. Our respect for the president is not much different from that of the North Koreans Kim ...

      We also have "veneration for the leader" in Belarus
      + lack of taxes as such for citizens ..

      Naturally, do not take taxes from a bowl of rice or a salary of $ 4-5 laughing
  33. igorek4515
    igorek4515 April 3 2016 00: 51
    -1
    Quote: 0255
    As for the sanctions - sanctions were imposed on Assad, but the Russian Federation supplies him with weapons, it is quite possible that for free. So what prevents Kim from buying Russian equipment, did he meet with Putin, like the late "great" Kim Jong Il?

    As for the sanctions .. sanctions imposed on Assad are purely Americans and the European Union. and on the DPRK by the UN Security Council. And these are completely different things .. Secondly, Kim would be glad to buy weapons in Russia, but only no one is selling him, neither Russia nor China .. What does it have to do with anything, not for money ..
    Kim Jong-un did not meet Putin .. although Putin invited him last year to 70 victories in Moscow. but he could not come in view of the aggravation of the situation on the border with the southern neighbors ..
    Quote: 0255
    By the way, despite the embargo, Kim Jong-un bought expensive Mercedes for himself.

    Where do you get this nonsense..From the liberal media ...? You just look at the latest fresh photos of Kim on the Internet .. He walks in such a simple coat, by the way, even better than his and in a very unpretentious hat .. And look at the "outfits" of Russian officials, even at the regional level, I'm not I'm talking about federal .. And who dresses cooler there .. And what cars do they drive ..? And finally, have you ever seen pictures of the car that Kim drives ..? you can write anything on the Internet, but it would not hurt to provide evidence .. it's me not for you, but for journalists who write about Kim's Mercedes ..

    Quote: 0255
    Why, under sanctions, can he buy a Mercantile Merce, but he can’t eat food for the people, which neighbors have to threaten with missiles?

    This is nonsense .. Although people believe that Kim just because he has nothing to do is threatening his neighbors with missiles just like that .. And nobody threatens him directly .. And most importantly, people believe in this nonsense ..
    1. 0255
      0255 April 3 2016 10: 04
      +1
      Quote: igorek4515
      where do you get such nonsense from the liberal media ...?

      Yeah, everything bad that they write about the DPRK is not true and an attempt to discredit the bright appearance of the "great" Kim, but if they write well about the DPRK, then this is certainly true, the truth and nothing but the truth laughing
      Quote: igorek4515
      Just look at the latest fresh photos of Kim on the Internet .. He walks in such a simple coat, by the way, even better than his and in a very unpretentious hat .. And look at the "outfits" of Russian officials, even at the regional level, I'm not I'm talking about federal .. And who dresses cooler there .. And what cars do they drive ..? And finally, have you ever seen pictures of the car that Kim drives ..? you can write anything on the Internet, but it would not hurt to provide evidence .. it's me not for you, but for the journalists who write about Kim's Mercedes ..

      Look at the photo of thin North Koreans.
      The "sun-faced" Kim, puffing with hunger, and the well-fed simple worker:
      1. 0255
        0255 April 3 2016 10: 18
        0
        Russian officials drive expensive cars, but at least the people are not forbidden to have their own transport.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 3 2016 13: 01
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          But fuel prices are increasing - soon it will be necessary to change to cars with the Euro 7 engine or to refuse the car altogether - to someone.
          1. 0255
            0255 April 3 2016 14: 58
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            But fuel prices are increasing - soon it will be necessary to change to cars with the Euro 7 engine or to refuse the car altogether - to someone.

            And North Koreans often have nothing to eat, let alone buy a car. And Kim's fans like you think that there is nothing wrong with that, in the name of the Juche and the "Grand Marshal" you can live in poverty. But when prices rise in Russia, the ruble falls, you get indignant and complain about life laughing
  34. Old26
    Old26 April 3 2016 13: 41
    +2
    Quote: igorek4515
    Quote: Old26
    KN-08 then at least once, but have tested, but KN-14 ....

    Well, the fact that KN-14 is essentially the same KN-08 doesn’t mean anything to you. 7 well, if you haven’t experienced it yet, why are you sure that it will not be tested in the future ..?

    Essentially the same? Oh well. Is the three-stage KN-08 and the two-stage KN-14 the same?
    And further. I never said that they could not experience it. No need to ascribe to me what I did not say. I was told that it had never been tested before, and some comrades already believe that the US is kirdyk from this rocket

    Quote: igorek4515
    Quote: Old26
    Yes, and almost 40 missiles in Alaska and California - what can they do against KN-14 ..

    And what is the effectiveness of intercepting ICBM warheads from these missiles in Alaska what ..? They intercepted many ICBM warheads during the tests ..?

    Are you interested in the number of captured BGs during trials? Welcome to the missile defense agency website. As for the probability of hitting a simple target, then these missiles have 0,85. I think that you yourself will calculate how much missile defense is needed to intercept the KN-08 and KN-14 warheads

    Quote: igorek4515
    Quote: Old26
    But will the inhabitants of Primorye be delighted if this Well-Man-Man has a roof gone and he dares to scandalize America.

    And you ask the residents of Primorye, they will be glad if the Americans and South Koreans arrange another war with bombing and launches of Tomahawks directly near their borders and there is no fear that "by mistake" something may fly to them and not the fact that they will also do without the use of nuclear weapons ...? In the last Korean War, the Americans "by mistake" even bombed a Soviet military airfield near Vladivostok .. Where is the guarantee that now there will be no such "mistakes" ..? + crowds of refugees in to them .. who need to be fed, equipped, and so on.

    Will not. Only for 60 years no one has touched this state, even during the 90s, when both us and China were not up to it. Why do they suddenly arrange a war with the DPRK? But Kim’s actions, sometimes on the verge of a foul, can lead to just such a result. Its endless rocket launches, demonstrating its steepness, can lead to the fact that one of the missiles will trite off the trajectory and will be forced to knock it down ... And he considers this a provocation with all the consequences. So, from the antics of Kim, the inhabitants of Primorye will certainly not be happy