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The first stage of the reconstruction of the Kazan Aviation Plant (KAZ), from whose “cradle the strategic bomber Tu-160М2 should rise, will be carried out by Kamgesenergostroy JSC (part of the Ak Bars Holding group), reports the Internet newspaper Realnoe Vremya (Tatarstan) ). Article publishes a blog bmpd.




The total value of the contracts was 4,3 billion rubles.

“The contracts were signed on the basis of electronic auctions and are calculated to 2017 year inclusive. That is, a number of objects we have to pass this year, and some facilities - at the beginning of 2017. Several other construction companies participated in the tender, but according to the terms of electronic trading, participants bargain incognito, that is, their names remain unknown. Later we learned that among them were Moscow firms. In my opinion, they did not represent serious competition, since we have been working for KAZ for a long time and know the plant's infrastructure to the smallest detail, ”said Ildar Shagitov, general director of Kamgesenergostroy.

Earlier, the head of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), Yuri Slyusar, told reporters that the resumption of production of a strategic bomber is impossible without a major overhaul of the KAZ.

“One of the goals is to get a new aviation a plant of a different technological level, with other technological capabilities. The technical re-equipment program is ambitious, ambitious, ”he said.

As noted in the KLA, "investments will amount to several billion rubles, and about 40% of the equipment of the workshops of the main production facilities: aggregate-assembly, procurement-stamping, etc." is subject to technical re-equipment.

True, the scale of modernization may be much larger. As the Assistant to the President of Tatarstan Ravil Zaripov told the publication, “modernization, according to preliminary estimates, is subject to about 70-75% of KAZ areas, and the allotted time is three years, including 2018 a year”.

The newspaper notes that "the source of funding for the design, construction and supply of equipment are various federal-purpose programs of the military-industrial complex."

The amount in 4,3 billion is not final, and is calculated only on the first stage of reconstruction. OJSC Kamgesenergostroy is ready to fight for all subsequent contracts.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 March 2016 13: 29
    +21
    Nothing so big. It’s not a pity, as long as it goes into action.
    1. makst83
      makst83 23 March 2016 13: 35
      +14
      "The money will be cut, the pensioners will not be paid in addition, the production is backward, the plane is old, the Rashka will not pull and will collapse, the cotton wool is fed with promises, it is better to give it to pregnant pensioners, such a weapon is not needed, NATO-USA is better, what is there for PAKFA / PAKDA?" Liberast (c)
      Py. sy. completely forgot - putonponyalschokchirdyk and leaked! wassat wassat wassat
      Py. Sy.2 for especially stubborn (there are such, on the site) - this is owl-like humor! \
      And the news ..., the news is wonderful, cheers! soldier
      1. cniza
        cniza 23 March 2016 13: 40
        +3
        Below is negative news, but here is a balm for the soul.
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. V.ic
        V.ic 23 March 2016 15: 18
        0
        Quote: makst83
        And the news ...

        Don’t scare me like that anymore, my heart is sore ... crying
      4. demo
        demo 23 March 2016 15: 29
        0
        What if he was impatient?
        Until the end I didn’t even finish the bang, in the face!
        In the sense of minus.
        Whereas?
        About humor, you must write before!
        And then there are different cases.
      5. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 March 2016 15: 59
        +2
        Quote: makst83
        "The money will be cut, the pensioners will not be paid in addition, the production is backward, the plane is old, the Rashka will not pull and will collapse, the cotton wool is fed with promises, it is better to give it to pregnant pensioners, such a weapon is not needed, NATO-USA is better, what is there for PAKFA / PAKDA?" Liberast (c)

        Forgot the traditional yell of gunnerminer:
        Anyway, there’s nobody to fly on them, in parts almost all the planes are out of order, no one is allowed to fly, where is the schedule for passing pilots for qualification 2 and 1 ??? smile

        Poor Gunya ... just a couple of days before the start of the Tu-160 sorties across Syria, he swore with bread that the Aerospace Forces had only 1 or 2 serviceable "white swans" with combat-ready crews. laughing
    2. ECT
      ECT 23 March 2016 16: 14
      +1
      Camges will ruin everything. He worked with them, 0 qualifications, for each step to the side they run with dopnikov. At the site, the organization of work is generally none. But their own - Tatarstan.
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 23 March 2016 17: 25
        +1
        Quote: ECT
        Camges will ruin everything. He worked with them, 0 qualifications, for each step to the side they run with dopnikov. At the site, the organization of work is generally none. But their own - Tatarstan.


        Do not spoil. There is nothing to spoil.
        They will do as usual.
        Each work front is resold 6-8 times.
        And it turns out that the real producer of the work will receive a penny, and 7 intermediaries over it, each tear off by 20-30% of the price indicated to him.
        Kamgesenergostroy - at the first stage, it will immediately pick up 300-500mln and transfer it to contractors
        And so everyone will pinch off.
        As a result, the work will be completed.
        But the real cost of this work (how much will get the real performers) - will be about a billion.
        The rest will go to intermediaries.

        That's how they steal in the Russian Federation at every stage. At every factory, at every facility.
        This is the very cut that was not heard in the West either.
        The whole country is rotten damn.

        So now we have everywhere.
        This is how the Samara airport Kurumoch was built and finished.
        Allegedly, by St. Petersburg companies, and then from all the dacha settlements of Tajik and Kyrgyz workers, "local" were collected that they made fences and toilets at dachas, and they dug the earth, so that they would eventually lay tiles ..
        1. ECT
          ECT 24 March 2016 16: 06
          0
          Quote: mav1971
          Quote: ECT
          Camges will ruin everything. He worked with them, 0 qualifications, for each step to the side they run with dopnikov. At the site, the organization of work is generally none. But their own - Tatarstan.


          Do not spoil. There is nothing to spoil.
          They will do as usual.
          Each work front is resold 6-8 times.
          And it turns out that the real producer of the work will receive a penny, and 7 intermediaries over it, each tear off by 20-30% of the price indicated to him.
          Kamgesenergostroy - at the first stage, it will immediately pick up 300-500mln and transfer it to contractors
          And so everyone will pinch off.
          As a result, the work will be completed.
          But the real cost of this work (how much will get the real performers) - will be about a billion.
          The rest will go to intermediaries.

          That's how they steal in the Russian Federation at every stage. At every factory, at every facility.
          This is the very cut that was not heard in the West either.
          The whole country is rotten damn.

          So now we have everywhere.
          This is how the Samara airport Kurumoch was built and finished.
          Allegedly, by St. Petersburg companies, and then from all the dacha settlements of Tajik and Kyrgyz workers, "local" were collected that they made fences and toilets at dachas, and they dug the earth, so that they would eventually lay tiles ..


          Confession of the Delitant. If everything was as you write. But usually people write so far from the construction site, who only know how to yell: everything is bad.
  2. FID
    FID 23 March 2016 13: 30
    +10
    It’s painful for me personally to look at the photo ...
    1. Yura
      Yura 23 March 2016 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: SSI
      It’s painful for me personally to look at the photo ...

      Damn, I got into the comments on this article, hoping to see exactly yours, "which thread" is positive. Probably early, maybe still ahead? Does the note above seem to favor optimism? As I understand it, we are talking about the production of strategists?
      1. FID
        FID 23 March 2016 13: 54
        +6
        Quote: Jura
        Damn, I got into the comments on this article, hoping to see exactly yours, "which thread" is positive. Probably early, maybe still ahead? Does the note above seem to favor optimism? As I understand it, we are talking about the production of strategists?

        I’m not happy myself, but ... Today, KAZ has half a billion debts and they are growing ... How much money will be spent on paying off debts, how much will remain ...
        1. bk316
          bk316 23 March 2016 14: 09
          +3
          Good afternoon.

          Off topic.
          Remember, I wrote that in KSU-130, the Pentium has nothing to do as a CPU, I looked - there they should put the R-1000 there now.

          As for how much remains, the main thing is not to be stolen, although if you believe the article that they steal it, they add it.
          1. FID
            FID 23 March 2016 14: 17
            +2
            Quote: bk316
            Off topic.
            Remember, I wrote that in KSU-130, the Pentium has nothing to do as a CPU, I looked - there they should put the R-1000 there now.

            The main problem of the developers was SLOW processors ... The steering surfaces of airplanes are deflected MUCH slower than the processes occurring in the computing paths ... This is the same off topic, but I have to answer!
        2. Rus2012
          Rus2012 23 March 2016 14: 25
          +2
          Quote: SSI
          KAZ has half a billion debts today and they are growing ... How much money will be spent on paying off debts, how much will remain ...

          ... the large-scale literate people's commissars of Stalin (the same Lavrenty Palych), the first thing they would do would be to deal with "debit credits" and check the "thickness of the uterus" - creditors / long-term holders, especially with foreign participation in the authorized capital.
        3. demo
          demo 23 March 2016 15: 36
          0
          OJSC "Kamgesenergostroy"
          Disclosure by the issuer of the quarterly report

          Report on a material fact on the issuer's disclosure of a quarterly report

          1. General information
          1.1. Full company name of the issuer (for a non-profit organization - name): Open Joint Stock Company "Kamgesenergostroy"
          1.2. Abbreviated corporate name of the issuer: OJSC "Kamgesenergostroy"
          1.3. The issuer's location: 423807, Republic of Tatarstan, Naberezhnye Chelny, ul. Hydro-builders, d. 17.
          1.4. OGRN of the issuer: 1021602012080
          1.5. Issuer's TIN: 1650007171
          1.6. Issuer's unique code assigned by the registration authority: 55471-D
          1.7. Web page address used by the issuer for information disclosure: http://www.e-disclosure.ru/portal/company.aspx?id=3367

          2. Message content
          2.1. Type of document disclosed by the issuer and the reporting period for which it was drawn up: quarterly report for the period of IV quarter. 2015 year
          2.2. Date of publication of the text of the issuer's quarterly report on the Internet page: 12.02.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX.
          2.3. A copy of the quarterly report is provided at the request of the person concerned for a fee not exceeding the cost of making the copy.

          3. Signature
          3.1. General director
          I.N. Shagitov


          3.2. Date 12.02.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX


          Please disclose if you have.
        4. alex86
          alex86 23 March 2016 21: 35
          0
          I have about 10 years old a woman working at the 22nd factory comes to clean up - so they have been fed with such optimistic news all this time, I’m already embarrassed to ask how things are at the factory. And I used to build 16 building at the 105th plant - through a fence from the 206th building (on the territory of the 22nd factory), which (the 206th) was for some time the largest building in the world. And from the 16th plant, as I understand it, almost nothing aviation was left ...
    2. 2s1122
      2s1122 23 March 2016 13: 43
      +2
      Yes, probably people used to run around like an ant.
      1. FID
        FID 23 March 2016 13: 52
        +8
        Quote: 2s1122
        Yes, probably people used to run around like an ant.

        At the same time, 8-10 Tu-22M3, 3 Tu-160 and 2-3 Il-62 (KVR, government) were built in the workshop ...
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 23 March 2016 14: 49
          +2
          Quote: SSI
          Quote: 2s1122
          Yes, probably people used to run around like an ant.

          At the same time, 8-10 Tu-22M3, 3 Tu-160 and 2-3 Il-62 (KVR, government) were built in the workshop ...

          When we were there - it was in this workshop - the equipment was mounted, it was easy to free up the area for installation!
          Just - why were we forbidden to weld there? I had to translate everything into hardware ...
          -----
          Big plans, good!
          ... let's do it!
          (for reference - in the last years of the USSR, the KGES was the largest and most powerful construction organization in the Union - thanks to KamAZ and NKNKh, ElAZ was no longer an ass; and now we can still do something)
    3. askort154
      askort154 23 March 2016 14: 11
      +1
      Good afternoon, Seryozha! Above your head!
      It is difficult to recall the generation in Russia that did not participate in the war or revolution. Our generation was lucky that after 1945, they only scared us.
      Russia as a "phoenix", or rather a "phoenix" as Russia, always rises from the ashes.
      Seryozha, let’s break through!
      1. FID
        FID 23 March 2016 14: 17
        +2
        Quote: askort154
        Good afternoon, Seryozha! Above your head!

        Hello, Sasha! Thank!
  3. skeptic
    skeptic 23 March 2016 13: 31
    +8
    Lord
    Have you heard the plea of ​​the entire engineering corps of Russia
    about the revival of Russian industry?
    And this is with the gadget "government"?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 March 2016 13: 37
      +8
      Not only heard, but done and continue to do
      1. krops777
        krops777 23 March 2016 15: 01
        +2
        Oh, and our machines, it's like a balm, a positive 100500.
    2. Alexey Z.
      Alexey Z. 23 March 2016 13: 39
      +1
      Now you need to carefully monitor that would not be stolen! And right now, and not after .... years through .... twenty.
  4. Prisoner
    Prisoner 23 March 2016 13: 35
    +3
    Guys, if only they had not thought it over, if only they had not pissed off. Let's not slow down. This is necessary for us, our children and grandchildren. In the end, it’s necessary for Russia to edrit your division !!!
  5. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 23 March 2016 13: 38
    +1
    it's a good thing .. it’s only not as always
  6. Ivan Ivanovich
    Ivan Ivanovich 23 March 2016 13: 40
    +1
    God forbid that everyone be brought to their logical conclusion, so that there are no unfinished projects from the time of perestroika
  7. Engineer
    Engineer 23 March 2016 13: 42
    +3
    Sergei Pavlovich Gorbunov was director of the Moscow Aviation Plant No. 22, which after his death began to bear his name. After the evacuation in 41 to the territory of plant No. 124 in Kazan and their associations, the plant began to bear the name of Sergey Pavlovich. And now he Kazan Aviation Plant named after S.P. Gorbunov. Been there, the plant is simply gigantic, huge spacious workshops and greatly dilapidated everywhere. Finally, he will reach his hands, and most importantly the means of those in power. It's a shame that they steal so much money that would be enough to modernize all the country's aviation plants. And no one will be imprisoned ...
    1. Aleksandr1959
      Aleksandr1959 23 March 2016 13: 55
      +2
      He also visited this plant back in Soviet times. The plant is really huge. And the technology at that time was decent. It remains to wait and hope ....
      1. FID
        FID 23 March 2016 14: 04
        +4
        Quote: Aleksandr1959
        He also visited this plant back in Soviet times. The plant is really huge.

        You have not been to Aviastar ...
        1. Maxom75
          Maxom75 23 March 2016 14: 35
          +1
          I was. And even in the shop where the ECIP model was standing. In the 90s, the plant was a terrible sight, collapse and devastation, and nobody needs anything. ((
          1. FID
            FID 23 March 2016 14: 43
            +2
            Quote: Maxom75
            In the 90s, the plant was a terrible sight, collapse and devastation, and nobody needs anything. ((

            Well, a little straightened to zero, but ...
            1. Maxom75
              Maxom75 23 March 2016 14: 51
              +2
              I want to believe it, but it was painful to watch. I then talked with the instrumentalists, they cried, there were no students, and they were all over 60. The men said: "We will leave and who will be in our place?" At the same time, they worked with salary delays, but they worked.
  8. Michael
    Michael 23 March 2016 13: 49
    +1
    The crisis in the economy under Gorbachev - the factories of the military-industrial complex forced to make lumine pots and spoons with forks, under Putin - the restoration, with the transition to a new technological level, + jobs, ... well, in general, the economy.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 23 March 2016 14: 16
      +5
      Quote: Michael
      under Putin - restoration, with the transition to a new technological level, + jobs, ... well, in general, the economy.

      fraud
      1. Michael
        Michael 23 March 2016 14: 48
        +2
        Airplanes, helicopters, submarines and much more after a long break began to produce - is this fraud in your opinion? And how should it be?
    2. FID
      FID 23 March 2016 14: 23
      +8
      Quote: Michael
      + jobs ... well, in general, the economy.

      About jobs ... Have you read an article about Almaz-Antey at VO?
      1. Maxom75
        Maxom75 23 March 2016 14: 37
        +2
        We only raise the budget at the HSE, otherwise the economists there do not have enough money. (((
  9. Kupez4
    Kupez4 23 March 2016 13: 50
    -2
    Thank God. At least something has moved off the ground. Hooray comrades !!!
  10. Michael
    Michael 23 March 2016 14: 41
    +1
    Quote: SSI
    Quote: Michael
    + jobs ... well, in general, the economy.

    About jobs ... Have you read an article about Almaz-Antey at VO?

    Are you happy about anything, or is everything bad?
    1. FID
      FID 23 March 2016 14: 49
      +4
      I am glad that there are optimists in the country, that maybe not all "managers of the trading floor" work, that not everyone writes - "hurray! Every day is improving" ... And it does NOT make me happy - my pension, even though I have been in plowed aviation, our "capitalism" is not happy, well, one more thing ... I hope I was able to answer (partially) your question?
      1. Maxom75
        Maxom75 23 March 2016 14: 53
        +2
        but for me, you should not be retired now, but transfer experience, as long as your legs wear. Until a new generation grows up ready to replace you, and this may take at least 10 to 15 years. Or am I wrong?
        1. FID
          FID 23 March 2016 15: 00
          +1
          Quote: Maxom75
          Or am I wrong?

          Right as never before, but there is no younger generation ...
          1. Maxom75
            Maxom75 23 March 2016 15: 24
            +1
            Here I have no words. ((State policy is the creation of jobs and attractive conditions. We need to decide on a decent salary, housing, kindergarten. Sanatoriums and continuing education. Many young people will go if there are social guarantees from them to choose a couple of sensible ones can and must be assigned to such experienced mentors as you. This is how succession is created. In industry, you cannot train a specialist in a year - it's at least 10 years, and the designer is 15-20 years.
            1. AFG-X
              AFG-X 23 March 2016 18: 48
              +1
              Now there is no such policy when a person devotes his life to work in an enterprise, and then the enterprise takes care of it. In the USSR, such a policy was common.
        2. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 23 March 2016 15: 15
          +4
          Quote: Maxom75
          Until a new generation grows up ready to replace you, and this may take at least 10 to 15 years.

          Where will this "young generation" come from, who will be interested in the sky? Where is this vector of development?
          Where are the incentives?
          You compare the competition at the university of state service and at the aviation university.
          I know firsthand that the entire defense industry is supported by senior citizens, and there is no continuity.
          The entire defense industry is modernizing Soviet developments, nothing fundamentally new. We have to beat the bells already, otherwise we will lose aviation, as well as the entire defense industry, in fact, together with the country.
          1. Maxom75
            Maxom75 23 March 2016 15: 29
            +4
            I have had a nephew since childhood in an aircraft model, from 10 years old I heard: I will fly! Now a cadet of the Krasnodar Flight School. Says I will fly without pay because I love it. That kind of passion should be supported from childhood, two of them from the circle in the flight, another in Moscow studying for the aircraft manufacturer. Of the 18 people, three connected life with aviation. Everything from childhood begins with a circle, then becomes the goal of life. I loved the fleet, engaged in agricultural and electrical installation, but on weekends I made boats for friends and acquaintances. Well, I love it! I'd rather be in boxing for the short weekend koryachitsya than lying on the couch.
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 23 March 2016 15: 48
              +2
              Quote: Maxom75
              I have had a nephew since childhood in an aircraft model, from 10 years old I heard: I will fly!

              This is an exception, and exceptions only confirm the rule!
              Can you imagine how many talents you have cut your "wings" in 25 years! Now I don’t know a single circle of aircraft modeling in our city. Where are the DOSAAF flying clubs, which used to put young people on the wing?
              Understand that this state does not need "wings", it needs utilizers.
              1. Maxom75
                Maxom75 23 March 2016 15: 56
                +3
                And his circle rests on a retired teacher, he arrived in the city about 15 years ago and picked up the baton. He himself went to see the governor of the region and got permission not to close the circle, works without a salary on a voluntary basis, the materials go to begging from entrepreneurs. But out of his students, 5 aircraft designers are already studying +1, and 10 pilots. And most importantly, not a single convict, drug addict and alcoholic! All the guys are passionate and are still dating. I already wrote on behalf of the parents of the students in Min Obr. a letter asking to be awarded for such an attitude to the matter, but not even a letter was found. ((
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 23 March 2016 16: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Maxom75
                  I already wrote on behalf of the parents of the students in Min Obr. a letter asking to be awarded for such an attitude to the matter, but not even a letter was found. ((

                  Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                  Understand that this state does not need "wings", it needs utilizers.

                  Confirmation of my thesis. And comrade to this enthusiast, many human thanks!
          2. bk316
            bk316 23 March 2016 16: 24
            +2
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            You compare the competition at the university of state service and at the aviation university.

            Well, compare, please. What universities do you mean specifically?
            My son graduated from the Moscow Aviation Institute 2 years ago, so I can tell you about the Moscow Aviation Institute.
            About
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            nothing fundamentally new.

            I don’t even know, besides what do you mean? An example of a fundamentally new one ...
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 23 March 2016 16: 46
              0
              Quote: bk316
              What universities do you mean specifically?

              Grew up. Academy of National Economy and Public Administration, e.g.
              Quote: bk316
              I don’t even know, besides what do you mean? An example of a fundamentally new one ...

              I do not understand what you are writing hi
              1. bk316
                bk316 23 March 2016 17: 29
                +2
                Well, I meant that if the first jet plane or hovercraft or thermonuclear bomb, then nothing new.
                And if the same "Elbrus 90 micro", then it is even very new in comparison with the USSR.

                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                Grew up. Academy of National Economy and Public Administration, e.g.

                I compare the RAGS of lawyers and the Moscow Aviation Institute, information security 2010, you won’t believe it, I was surprised at 220 ODINAKOVO passage (though I watched it on the forum, it wasn’t officially but hardly lied) laughing
                So not everyone wants to be managers
              2. bk316
                bk316 23 March 2016 17: 29
                +2
                Well, I meant that if the first jet plane or hovercraft or thermonuclear bomb, then nothing new.
                And if the same "Elbrus 90 micro", then it is even very new in comparison with the USSR.

                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                Grew up. Academy of National Economy and Public Administration, e.g.

                I compare the RAGS of lawyers and the Moscow Aviation Institute, information security 2010, you won’t believe it, I was surprised at 220 ODINAKOVO passage (though I watched it on the forum, it wasn’t officially but hardly lied) laughing
                So not everyone wants to be managers
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              4. bk316
                bk316 23 March 2016 23: 02
                +2
                More about revolutionary inventions ....
                Today I sent my wife to my mother-in-law, we are sitting with a friend at the cognac and the thought came to us ...

                Or maybe nothing of such a breakthrough has been invented recently because the Union has been ahead of the world by 50 years - until a critical mass has accumulated, progress has not moved on?
  11. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 23 March 2016 17: 55
    0
    In 1978, Kamgesenergostroy built CHPP-26 in Moscow. Quite good CHP. Until now, everything has been working without much incident. I hope the Kazan aircraft plant will be reconstructed as it should! Good luck to Kamgesenergostroy!
  12. AFG-X
    AFG-X 23 March 2016 18: 51
    0
    Let's see what equipment they deliver. Will there be import substitution or not.
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 23 March 2016 22: 20
      0
      Quote: AFG-X
      Let's see what equipment they deliver. Will there be import substitution or not.


      And what to "watch" then?
      you just need to look back.
      View factories on the Internet for machines.

      And finally see.
      With machine-tool factories, we have gotten a handful once or twice. 80% of them are LLC ownership. Accordingly, they are not talking about any real modern production machines.
      Remains vaaaasche minuscule.
      As it appears. in order for them to only set up the release of previously (in Soviet times) manufactured equipment (not counting the development of new equipment), they must also be re-equipped again. This is again billions of rubles. For repairs and machines on which machines will be made. "
      This is again 3-4 of the year for repair. Lack of required number of skilled workers.
      Running in new equipment and debugging the release. Those. let's be honest - it will take another 3-5 years.
      Total need 10 years and tens of billions of rubles, for that. to start producing at least some kind of machine tools.
      And so in all sectors.
      And we do not have trillions of rubles.
      After all, in order to re-equip all KAZ allies, and there are thousands of them, everyone needs these same billions that are going to be a trillion.
      For what?
      In order to release the 50 Tu-160M2?
      And then stay out of work?
      But they will not be out of work.
      For the Tu-160 is very specific.
      We produce aircraft only for military aviation.
      We do not have and will not have 20 years of civil aviation.
      For she has no chance.
      She 40 years is no longer developing.
      And even if ours begin to produce civilian aircraft comparable in quality to Boeing and Airbus, then their price should be 2 times lower.
      Otherwise, the world market does not break through.
      It is necessary to have a spare parts warehouse within 6 hourly availability for repairs throughout the ball.
      You need to have hundreds and thousands of highly trained repairmen around the globe.
      And for such things (warehouses. Trained personnel) you need a lot of money.
      And where is the money to get it from?
      There is no money in the country.
      All money is generally taken from taxes in the country. But they are not.

      You know, but our ancestors for their thousands of years came up with the saying "the game is not worth the candle", which perfectly explains everything.

      KAZ has a task to re-equip - it’s easier to buy a hundred machines specifically for KAZ.
      And then we get to the heresy of self-construction.

      If you want a piece of meat, buy land, build a farm, buy a calf, plant grass and grain on the ground, and drink. grow. feed. Then forget it and eat it.
      And it will turn out like this. what meat do you want now. and you’ll only see after 3 years.
      And if you wanted to keep it, then start building a hydroelectric station and a factory for the production of refrigerators.
      For you need both a refrigerator and electricity. and all by myself.
      Everything is not done right away.
      "the golden rule of mechanics is gradualness."
  13. Kulneff2009
    Kulneff2009 23 March 2016 22: 10
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    If only the loot went to business!
  14. klopik4
    klopik4 23 March 2016 22: 26
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    The Ombudsman refers to data from the Ministry of Labor that the number of Russians with incomes below the subsistence level over the past year has increased by 3 million people - up to 19 million, with 60% to 70% of people below the poverty line - families with children.
    For 2015, "the largest gap between the rich and the poor in Russia was noted in Moscow (39,3%), the Chechen Republic (40,1%) and the Republic of Dagestan (38,6%)." In Russia, as analysts note, one of the highest rates of social stratification is observed, only in China this level is higher.
    "The indicator of the ratio of the average incomes of 10% of the most and 10% of the least well-off strata of the population increased from 4,5 times in 1990 to 16,5 times in 2013, in 2015 this indicator slightly decreased. At the same time, since 2000, poverty has been decreasing, and Economic inequality is on the rise. If current trends continue, by 2017, income inequality between the top 10% and the bottom line could rise from 16,5% to 20%, "the report says.
    As for the "middle class", the real number of citizens belonging to it in Russia is estimated at 15% (with the norm of a developed state at 60-80%), the report specifies.


    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/society/20160323/1395039979.html#ixzz43kvCl6WB
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      bk316 23 March 2016 22: 59
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