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Rogozin to meet with President of Azerbaijan in Baku

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Dmitry Rogozin and Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev will meet in Baku, the subject of negotiations will be the settlement of military-technical cooperation issues, reports Kommersant.


Rogozin to meet with President of Azerbaijan in Baku


As the source told the newspaper, “Rogozin’s trip is special and not planned in advance.”

According to the newspaper, “the main problems of Russia and Azerbaijan in the field of military technical cooperation are related to the implementation of armory contracts signed several years ago. The main difficulty is Azerbaijan's lack of money. "

“The fall in oil prices has affected everyone, and our Azerbaijani partners have not become an exception,” says one of the Kommersant interlocutors. “It came to the point that the equipment they ordered was manufactured and delivered, but so far it stands without moving in the port, waiting for the unloading and resolution of the whole situation.”

Azerbaijan is a major customer of armaments, and Moscow does not want to lose it.

“In the period 2010-2014, Baku concluded contracts with Moscow for the purchase of two divisions of S-300PMU-2 anti-aircraft missile systems, several batteries of the Tor-2ME anti-aircraft missile systems, and about a hundred combat and transport helicopters. At least 100 purchase agreements were concluded. tanks T-90S and about 100 units of BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles, 18 Msta-S self-propelled artillery systems and the same heavy TOS-1A flamethrower systems, as well as Smerch multiple launch rocket systems, ”the newspaper said.

The total cost of this package is estimated at about $ 4 billion. Most of the orders have already been completed. It remains to put some more tanks, armored infantry and a number of artillery systems. Apparently these supplies will be the subject of discussion.

“You can always find a compromise,” says the director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Ruslan Pukhov. “You can either stop the supply of equipment and resell the finished products to other countries, or you can make a deferment of payments.”

The situation is aggravated by the reaction of Azerbaijan to the arms loan issued by Russia to Armenia (about $ 200 million).

“The agreement entered into force on February 18, and a week later, the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry sent an official protest note to Moscow,” said the press secretary of the Armenian Defense Ministry Artsrun Hovhannisyan. “This is simply ridiculous, given that Baku is implementing a contract for the purchase of Russian weapons worth $ 4 billion: this is twenty times more than the volume of the loan allocated by Russia for the same purposes of Armenia.”

According to the newspaper, "the Russian delegation is not going to touch on this issue, but it is impossible to exclude that the Azerbaijani negotiators will do this."
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  1. Imperialkolorad
    Imperialkolorad 3 March 2016 14: 18
    +6
    It seems that we have learned from some of our neighbors. They don’t want to give money, and even make claims.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 3 March 2016 14: 21
      +8
      “It got to the point that the equipment they ordered was manufactured and delivered, but so far it’s not moving in the port waiting for unloading and the resolution of the whole situation.

      Until then, if it is clear from the photo that they are doing something wrong there - are they not really looking at the women's bath? lol
      1. Michael67
        Michael67 3 March 2016 14: 27
        +1
        We need to work closely with Azerbaijan. Our south must be covered. If not us, then the west will crawl through.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 3 March 2016 15: 10
          +2
          Quote: Michael67
          We need to work closely with Azerbaijan. Our south must be covered. If not us, then the west will crawl through.

          ... it’s absolutely true ... either in Azerbaijan we or NATO ... we just look at the map ... there’s not much fun ... but if Sweden and Finland are dragged into the same place ... then we get:
          - Karelian front
          - Baltic front
          - Belarusian front
          - Ukrainian front
          - Caucasian front
          ... everything is clear, the dotted line is the assumed borders of NATO, continuous existing ... that's who we are definitely not brothers is the "Civilized West" ... hi
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 3 March 2016 15: 14
            +2
            Quote: Inok10
            either in Azerbaijan we, or NATO ..., Ukrainian front

            According to the NATA Charter, NATA does not accept members who have unresolved territorial disputes.

            - Ukraine Crimea
            - Azerbaijan - Karabakh

            Correct, if I am mistaken request
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 3 March 2016 15: 19
              +3
              I'm correcting. We do not need to join NATO. This is also impossible for technical reasons. But we can well have a NATO base on our territory. Do you need this?

              Azerbaijan (as UNCERTAINTLY noted here) is trying to sit on two chairs not because of its windiness. We need to walk very carefully between the two heavyweights and not give any of them a base on our territory. There is also light heavyweight in the person of Iran.

              But the situation is changing almost daily. US Air Force Neither Russia nor Iran will like Azerbaijan. It can be fraught for us. I agree. But there may not be a choice.
              1. AlexSK
                AlexSK 3 March 2016 15: 30
                +3
                Quote: Bakht
                But we can well have a NATO base on our territory. Do you need this?

                Do you need it? Will it become easier for you to live on this? Safer? In any case, it is your personal business, which bases to host in the Russian Strategic Rocket Forces, another goal will simply appear on the map.
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 3 March 2016 15: 41
                  0
                  We have been offered this many times. We don't need this. But you carefully read "there may not be a choice." While Azerbaijan refuses all interested parties. But Rogozin arrived in Baku. Maybe it's a bell? Do you need another front in Transcaucasia? Yes, it will be bad for us. I think that not only to us.

                  I will tell you what we need. Free your 6 districts.

                  And one moment. Stop here in particular and generally scare all strategic missile forces. They may be good. But in local conflicts (such as Ukraine, Transcaucasia, Syria) no one will use Russian strategic missile forces. We are not afraid of them.

                  And because of LOCAL conflicts, Moscow will not want to become a target.
                  1. AlexSK
                    AlexSK 3 March 2016 15: 59
                    +1
                    Quote: Bakht
                    Stop here in particular and generally scare all strategic missile forces

                    Yes, no one scares me, I just stated a fact.
                    Quote: Bakht
                    But in local conflicts (such as Ukraine, Transcaucasia, Syria) no one will use Russian strategic missile forces. We are not afraid of them.

                    Seriously? If there is a NATO base there and there is a conflict with that organization, then everything that is needed will be applied, including the strategic nuclear forces. Any NATO base near our borders will in any case be taken into account, one way or another. This is a question of our survival here as they say no offense if anything.
                  2. co-creator
                    co-creator 3 March 2016 16: 04
                    -1
                    Quote: Bakht
                    I will tell you what we need. Free your 6 districts.

                    Well, while Syria will be, this is hardly possible.
                  3. kapitan92
                    kapitan92 3 March 2016 16: 37
                    +4
                    Quote: Bakht
                    But Rogozin arrived in Baku. Maybe it's a bell? Do you need another front in Transcaucasia?

                    Of course a bell! The collector came for a favor.
                    I remember on the previous topic, you EVERYTHING have proved the excellent solvency of Azerbaijan. So what? Are transfers from Russia over?
                    Quote: Bakht
                    And because of LOCAL conflicts, Moscow will not want to become a target.

                    For whom?
                    1. Bakht
                      Bakht 3 March 2016 17: 02
                      0
                      Do you know for sure that Rogozin came for a debt? The contract is almost fully paid. Small things remained. You are guided by an article from a businessman, and I speak to you about the composition of the negotiators?

                      Azerbaijan has problems in the economy. By the way, like everyone now. But the military budget of Azerbaijan has already been announced. So far, I have not seen any horror stories there.

                      Who will be the target? Yes you do not scare and do not be scared. Moscow has long been a target. Like Washington. Goals are long established and embedded in computers. There are a lot of crazy people who, without hesitation, grab a colt. And they don’t know that if they snatched it out, then they had to shoot.
                      1. andj61
                        andj61 3 March 2016 19: 07
                        +1
                        Quote: Bakht
                        Who will be the target? Yes you do not scare and do not be scared. Moscow has long been a target. Like Washington. Goals are long established and embedded in computers.

                        That is precisely why even the use of nuclear weapons on the periphery of world politics is unlikely to serve as the basis for the use of strategists. At least in Washington, such statements are made regularly. Our military doctrine is the first to use nuclear weapons: a threat to the existence of the state. And this concept is quite wide ... request
                      2. kapitan92
                        kapitan92 3 March 2016 21: 01
                        +4
                        Quote: Bakht
                        Do you know for sure that Rogozin came for a debt? The contract is almost fully paid. Small things remained.

                        "... Moscow, March 3. Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Rogozin on Thursday will hold talks with Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev regarding the settlement of difficulties in the field of military-technical cooperation between the two countries. "
                        Because of small things, they do not meet with the presidents!
                        http://riafan.ru/506689-rogozin-i-aliev-reshat-sudbu-dolgov-azerbaidzhana-po-zak
                        upkam-oruzhiya
                        Quote: Bakht
                        Yes you do not scare and do not be scared.

                        Russians are already hard to scare anything.
                        Quote: Bakht
                        There are a lot of crazy people who, without hesitation, grab a colt. And they don’t know that if they snatched it out, they must shoot

                        "The Constitution gave the Americans rights, and Mr. Colt made them equal," I recalled.
                      3. Bakht
                        Bakht 3 March 2016 21: 12
                        +1
                        I do not comment on the rest. But about the topic itself. Again

                        "... Moscow, March 3. Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin will hold talks on Thursday with Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev regarding the settlement of difficulties in the field of military-technical cooperation between the two countries."

                        Language is given to diplomats to hide their thoughts. Where is there even a word about duty? It clearly says about "difficulties in the field of military-technical cooperation". As far as I understand, the next contracts may not be. But Rogozin wrote on Twitter that everything is fine. How well, we will find out by the presence or absence of new contracts. A billion bucks is a trifle, probably. But in the current difficult conditions, a trifle will come in handy ...
                      4. kapitan92
                        kapitan92 3 March 2016 22: 06
                        +5
                        Quote: Bakht
                        The language was given to diplomats to hide their thoughts.

                        Diplomacy is the art of negotiation to prevent or resolve conflicts.
                        Quote: Bakht
                        Rogozin tweeted that everything is fine

                        And what, excuse me, should Rogozin write? Everything is bad?
              2. andj61
                andj61 3 March 2016 19: 02
                +2
                Quote: Bakht
                I will tell you what we need. Free your 6 districts.

                It's not so simple. The Armenians have already offered to liberate the territories they occupied in exchange for recognition of Karabakh, but Azerbaijan cannot do that!
                An agreement is, of course, necessary: ​​for example, it is necessary to freeze the solution of the Karabakh issue by 50-100 years and manage it jointly, or transfer it to the UN. Provide a corridor from Armenia to Karabakh - and liberate the occupied territories of Azerbaijan. Also, normalize the relations between the warring parties, lift the transport blockade, and begin trade. The main thing is to start doing something in this direction. If you rely on military force, both sides will wash themselves with blood.
                Quote: Bakht
                Stop here in particular and generally scare all strategic missile forces. They may be good. But in local conflicts (such as Ukraine, Transcaucasia, Syria) no one will use Russian strategic missile forces. We are not afraid of them.

                Of course, no one will use the Strategic Missile Forces in local conflicts, strategists - for the American continent. But the use of tactical nuclear weapons in local conflicts, if necessary, with very good reasons, is not at all excluded. It may not be worth fearing, but it is necessary to take this into account.
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              6. lex locis
                lex locis 4 March 2016 13: 08
                0
                Quote: Bakht
                I will tell you what we need. Free your 6 districts.

                Quote: Bakht
                And because of LOCAL conflicts, Moscow will not want to become a target.


                Firstly, to liberate 6 OWN areas inhabited by Armenians! ??? This is cool .... Especially since the population objects point blank ...
                Secondly, because of LOCAL conflicts, no one will even lift a finger against Moscow because of small hangers-on, let alone make Moscow a target, because then the "democratizers" themselves will become the target.
                Do they need them?
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 4 March 2016 13: 18
                  +1
                  I’m tired of explaining to those people who are ABSOLUTELY not aware of current events.
                  According to the data that we have, 6 occupied regions are not populated by anyone. There are no residents at all. Although recently there have been reports that a thousand families of Syrian-Armenians were resettled in Karabakh. In all, over 6 people were resettled in these 7 districts (or rather 14). Mostly in Lachin and Kelbajar regions, which Armenia wants to keep.

                  Armenians DO NOT populate these areas, because they know that they will have to be given away anyway.

                  What you wrote is really cool ....
          2. kapitan92
            kapitan92 3 March 2016 16: 32
            +8
            Quote: Bakht
            But we can well have a NATO base on our territory. Do you need this?

            And you??? There is a very powerful Azerbaijani diaspora in Moscow, I will not list the full name, but people are not poor. Aliyev’s policy does not suit everyone. What kind of "revolution" do you want: yellow, orange, or come up with the name yourself.
            Quote: Bakht
            We need to walk very carefully between the two heavyweights and not give any of them a base on our territory. There is also light heavyweight in the person of Iran.

            There’s a screw for every sly @@ u. (P) Regarding Iran: oh, how the Iranians don’t like close cooperation in the military-industrial complex of Azerbaijan and Israel, which continues by the way.
            Quote: Bakht
            . US Air Force Neither Russia nor Iran will like Azerbaijan. It can be fraught for us. I agree. But there may not be a choice.

            It is fraught for you, you correctly noticed it, but there is always a choice!
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 3 March 2016 17: 11
              0
              According to your own terminology "there will always be @@ and with a labyrinth for any screw."

              Do you really want to argue? But I do not see argument in your words. Only threats and assertiveness. None of this will happen. There is no Azerbaijani diaspora in Moscow. In any case, there are surnames, but there is no diaspora. Not one of those people who are in Moscow will find more than a thousand people in Azerbaijan.

              When the opposition recently tried to gather a rally, one of the policemen aptly remarked, "Either the rally, or has gathered his relatives for the wedding. And there will be more people at the wedding."

              Of course, there is always a choice. Suppose (!) Azerbaijan goes towards rapprochement with Washington. Unrealistic, but ... ASSUMPTION. And what, the Strategic Missile Forces will immediately strike at Baku? Rave.

              Cooperation with Israel has been going on for many years. Iran does not like it, but .... the war does not start for some reason. The village of Nardaran does not tell you anything. And in Baku this is a famous place.

              Aliyev’s policy may not suit anyone, Maybe me, or a merchant from a nearby street. Putin’s policy doesn’t suit everyone either. But for some reason I’m sure that there will be no Maidan in Moscow or Baku. Like the revolution of any color. So far the question is not worth it.

              And there is always a choice. It's right. But so far I do not see the big benefits of rapprochement with the Russian Federation. What is the benefit to Azerbaijan?
              1. kapitan92
                kapitan92 3 March 2016 21: 19
                +5
                Quote: Bakht
                But I do not see argument in your words. Only threats and assertiveness

                Dear, I in Baku, being an officer of the SA, "sat out" Vezirov, Mutalibov, Elchibey, Aliyev, and it was with him that I left for Russia. I know about your country and its leader not by hearsay. Threats ???
                Quote: Bakht
                In any case, there are surnames, but there is no diaspora.

                2 Flag of Russia.svg Russia Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg, Derbent, Novosibirsk, Volgograd, Voronezh, Perm, Amur Region, Ulyanovsk, Ufa, Nizhny Novgorod, Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Area, Krasnoyarsk Territory, Rostov and Saratov Regions 603,070 ( 2010 census)
                Here is another "diaspora" http://rv.iforum.name/viewtopic.php?id=113-
                Quote: Bakht
                But so far I do not see the big benefits of rapprochement with the Russian Federation. What is the benefit to Azerbaijan?

                Are you looking for all the benefits? Nature is the second happiness. (P).
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 3 March 2016 22: 48
                  0
                  "Outside" is a good word. I live here. Let's compare who knows the country better? You will lose.

                  There are people. There is no diaspora. You understand the term diaspora in a strange way. I can assure you that there is no diaspora in the direct sense of this word. I can tell you a dozen names of people living in Russia. In their homeland, if they are quoted, then only in a very, very narrow circle. To paraphrase the classics, "the circle of these revolutionaries is narrow. They are terribly far from the people."

                  Well, about nature - it actually smacks of a stereotype. I must point out to you that those who do not seek profit in politics lose. Again the quote "There are perfect egoists. But no one has seen absolute altruists."

                  I am a supporter of rapprochement with Russia. But even I don't see the reason why we should do it yet. It is possible to have good neighborly relations. It is also possible to have bilateral trade relations. But I don't see any benefits from the union. You can offend me once again "in kind", but nothing else has been invented in politics in 2000 years of the written history of mankind.
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 3 March 2016 23: 26
                    +1
                    Quote: Bakht
                    There are people. There is no diaspora. You somehow strange understand the term diaspora.

                    I am a resident of Russia and as an Azerbaijani I say all this bullshit. It is simply customary in Russia to think that the heads of these diasporas are authoritative people among their fellow countrymen and that someone is listening to them or even knows about their existence)))
                    He’s especially joking when the Russian media say that the leaders of the diasporas should talk with their young people, explain something to us, etc. They don’t even understand that every diaspora is an artificial organization for which the circle of wealthy Azerbaijanis and not always fight the richest Azerbaijanis only to obtain the status of the Head of the Diaspora))))
                2. Bakht
                  Bakht 3 March 2016 22: 56
                  0
                  For some reason it hurt you that I wrote "threats"? So someone is predicting a "color revolution" for us. Who will do it? "Diaspora" from Moscow? This is the threat. I assure you, the Kremlin does not have the technology of "color revolutions". Washington possesses this technology. But for some reason I. Aliyev is not afraid of the "color revolution" and does not allow any foreign influence in the country. If you carefully analyze what was written here, you will agree that this is the threat. Not to mention the Strategic Missile Forces (but this is not your pearl. Just by the way).

                  PS Sometimes it seems to me that Russian people do not know Russian well. Or do not understand what they are writing? I have to explain on my fingers.
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 3 March 2016 23: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: Bakht
                    Washington has this technology.

                    it’s not even about owning technology. It’s just anyone who comes with the slogan we are for friendship and for complete fraternization with Russia and rejection of Turkey in the rally in the rally with a bottle of shibanut on the head))))
                    Quote: Bakht
                    I have to explain on my fingers.

                    Many simply do not understand the essence.
                  2. Bakht
                    Bakht 3 March 2016 23: 48
                    0
                    I do not understand, apparently, elementary things.

                    Why do we need to tie ourselves to one side? Turkey or Russia? Or Washington? Or to the EU? I can’t understand this.

                    Can’t you just be for yourself? What does Azerbaijan need? Well, independence and borders are understandable. But why do we need to be friends with someone against someone? Here I am for good neighborly business relations with Turkey. For trade and peace with Russia. I like American technology and European values ​​(well, I do not mean gays and other perversions). But parliamentarism, freedom of speech - you can’t take this away?

                    Why should I be against someone? Azerbaijan buys Russian tanks and helicopters, artillery systems. Built a factory for the production of drones using Israeli technology. Sells oil and gas to Georgia and Turkey. Well, a little to Europe.

                    What will we gain if we join the Union? Any Union. With Turkey against Russia or with Russia against Turkey. With Iran versus America, or with Israel versus Iran? Isn't it better for us to try to be ourselves?

                    It is very difficult for such a small country with a small population and a small technical base. But can you even try? In any case, for 20 years this has been possible. The situation is not a fountain, but we need to maintain peace and that billion a year that goes into armaments, to spend on ourselves. And then there is nothing Rogozin will do here. Can come to pilaf and tea. We will treat him with pleasure.
                  3. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 4 March 2016 16: 06
                    0
                    Quote: Bakht
                    Can’t you just be for yourself?

                    And these are the connecting things.
                    If you take this period of time, there is an enemy of Armenia with an ally of Russia. In southern Iran. Azerbaijan is forced to seek an ally.
                    And if we take the absence of war with Armenia, we will again need an ally. This makes the country stronger and its capabilities, especially if it is a strong ally.
                    It doesn’t happen that you can sit quietly. I don’t know such countries.
            2. Bakht
              Bakht 3 March 2016 23: 00
              +1
              in Baku, being an officer in the SA

              Given your nickname, you can be a sailor. Although your turnover is CA, more talks about land. Just for my curiosity. Answer is optional. Did you live in Bailovo?
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 3 March 2016 20: 50
          +1
          Quote: kapitan92
          There is a very powerful Azerbaijani diaspora in Moscow, I will not list the full name, but people are not poor. Aliyev’s policy does not suit everyone. What kind of "revolution" do you want: yellow, orange, or come up with the name yourself.

          The Azerbaijanis themselves do not respect these schnicks in Russia, they know the maximum name. In Azerbaijan, they are nobody and there is no way to call them.
      2. cap
        cap 3 March 2016 18: 38
        +1
        Quote: Bakht
        Azerbaijan (as UNCERTAINTLY noted here) is trying to sit on two chairs not because of its windiness. We need to walk very carefully between the two heavyweights and not give any of them a base on our territory. There is also light heavyweight in the person of Iran.

        But the situation is changing almost daily. US Air Force Neither Russia nor Iran will like Azerbaijan. It can be fraught for us. I agree. But there may not be a choice.



        NATO cannot be allowed to strengthen on Russia's southern borders in any form, from the supply of weapons to political influence. This concerns not only Azerbaijan, which, unlike the former "our Balts", has turned into an instrument of constant irritation.
        Azerbaijan behaves more than correctly with Russia, unlike Georgia itself. Well, certainly they don’t greet enemies like that (photo).
        Putin Aliyev
      3. andj61
        andj61 3 March 2016 18: 53
        +2
        Quote: Bakht
        . US Air Force Neither Russia nor Iran will like Azerbaijan. It can be fraught for us. I agree. But there may not be a choice.

        Do you seriously think that Aliyev will do this?
        And this is after the obvious bait of the US opposition in Azerbaijan and some actions to prepare the next color revolution with the removal of Aliyev from power? I doubt it very much!
        Ilham, of course, is not so lumpy as his father, but his head is clearly on his shoulders! An independent course and non-participation in confrontations with someone other than Armenia is practically the basis of Azerbaijan’s policy.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 3 March 2016 19: 12
          +1
          If you participate in the controversy, then you need to read everything that the opponent wrote.

          "But there may be no choice."

          There are situations when nothing depends on the opinion, mind, endurance of one person. Even if this person is the president. In Rome, even emperors could not go against the opinion of the crowd.
          ---------
          We do not want a confrontation with anyone. Even with Armenia. It is not our fault - that the situation is now as it is. It will be a long and useless conversation again. Now (March 2016), I do not see how to solve the problem. I saw a year ago - now the situation has changed. We must look for new ways in the new conditions.
    2. Inok10
      Inok10 3 March 2016 15: 34
      +3
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      Correct, if I am mistaken

      ... ah, the story of Georgia? ... despite Ossetia and Abkhazia, confidently marching into NATO and NATO is not against ... hi
      As NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said at a press conference in Brussels on February 9, Georgia is one of NATO’s “closest” partners and it has all the “practical tools necessary to prepare for membership”: The annual national program to bring Georgia closer to NATO , the Georgia-NATO Commission and a package of measures to assist Georgia in its quest for membership in the Alliance (adopted in 2014 at the end of the NATO summit in Wales - EADaily). However, Stoltenberg also added: “Georgia will not be able to join NATO without a Membership Action Plan (MAP). Consensus is needed across all NATO countries to sign the MAP. ”
      ... the law, like a drawbar, as you turn it, so it happened ... especially for the "Civilized West" ... hi
    3. ramin_serg
      ramin_serg 4 March 2016 08: 16
      +1
      So that’s why Russia creates territorial problems. Problems with its neighbors.

      Ukraine - Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk
      Moldova - Transnistria
      Georgia - Abkhazia, South Ossetia
      Azerbaijan - Karabakh

      I hope the list will not continue
      1. Kuzyakin15
        Kuzyakin15 4 March 2016 10: 19
        -1
        Quote: ramin_serg
        So that’s why Russia creates territorial problems. Problems with its neighbors.

        Ukraine - Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk
        Moldova - Transnistria
        Georgia - Abkhazia, South Ossetia
        Azerbaijan - Karabakh

        I hope the list will not continue

        Did you happen to fall from an oak tree, young man? After all, if you were many years old, you would remember how the conflict between Armenians and Azerbaijanis began. It all started with Sumgait, and Karabakh is derivative. On the contrary, Gorbachev (how not to treat him) tried to persuade both conflicting parties, but where are the hot Caucasian guys. And it was necessary to stop all this confrontation, firmly, with the help of the army of the All-Union Military Forces. Since the conflict between the Armenians and Asheyr-Badzhans all started, an avalanche-like disintegration. The first swallow, so to speak. Then came Tbilisi, Vilnius, etc. And as a result, Transnistria, Abkhazia. By the way, who just didn’t fight on both sides: both Slavs and people from the Caucasus, as well as in Abkhazia.
        So you don’t have to blame your sins on Russia and the Russians. If you figure it out, then RUSSIANS had to leave the former fraternal republics. From Azerbaijan as well. In other words, they just had to flee. But the fact that the Azeir-Badzhans, Armenians, Georgians, Baltic states had to be deported and other peoples of the former USSR, I have not heard this and do not know. Or am I wrong?
        Does this whole BORDEL in the post-Soviet space come out because of you, you sovereign "powers"?
        I apologize for the errors.
        PS If you look, then historically it was you who never could peacefully get along with your neighbors: Lithuania, Asian and Caucasian states.
        Now, the Russian invaders are to blame for all your troubles, both in the past and present.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 4 March 2016 10: 43
          0
          Did you happen to fall from an oak tree, young man? After all, if you were many years old, you would remember how the conflict between Armenians and Azerbaijanis began. It all started with Sumgait, and Karabakh is a derivative.

          Did you happen to fall from an oak tree, young man? After all, if you were many years old, you would remember how the conflict between Armenians and Azerbaijanis began. It all started with Karabakh, and Sumgayit is a derivative.

          I did not read further. The first phrase shows the level.
          1. Kuzyakin15
            Kuzyakin15 4 March 2016 10: 53
            0
            Bakt:
            Why so? What kind of business are you doing, dear?
            And what's wrong there?
            Why is it permissible for your fellow believer to write everything that he might think of.
            Moreover, I answered, and not you.
            In your opinion, the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan began in Moscow?
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 4 March 2016 11: 01
              +1
              Right. You wrote not to me. But they wrote a lie. And when you use the wrong initial data, the wrong conclusions are obtained. You do not know the history of the conflict. Let me quote you. Not from Azerbaijani sources.

              And soon a tragedy erupted in the south of Armenia, in the Meghri and Kafan regions, where Azerbaijanis lived in compact villages in many villages. In November 1987 Two freight cars arrived at the Baku railway station with Azerbaijanis forced to flee Kafan due to interethnic clashes. There is very little information about this incident, it was not covered in the press at all, but eyewitnesses of those events remained. Sveta Pashayeva, widowed Baku Armenian, told how she saw refugees arriving in Baku and how she wore clothes and food for them:
              "People came and said that two carriages with naked, undressed children arrived from Kafan, and we went there to look. They were Azerbaijanis from Kafan. I was at the station. And I saw two freight cars myself. The doors were opened, and they were nailed to the wall. two long boards, like a railing, so that people would not fall out of the carriage on the way. We were asked to bring what we can to help the refugees. And I - not only me, but very many - collected old children's clothes, some things. There were men, such village, dirty, with long hair and beards, old people, children "
              1. Kuzyakin15
                Kuzyakin15 4 March 2016 11: 27
                +1
                Bakt;
                And where did you see that I unilaterally put the Azerbaijanis guilty? I wrote that a conflict erupted between Azerbaijanis and Armenians.
                This ramin serg accuses Russia of all sins, of all conflicts. Read more of his client.
                You know, dear, it’s annoying when someone else’s dogs are hanging on you. When a neighbor is blamed for his recklessness.
                Maybe I’ve made a mistake in something, like about Karabakh and Sumgait, but on the whole I’m not right.
              2. Bakht
                Bakht 4 March 2016 11: 37
                +1
                And you carefully read what you wrote. I brought your quote. Not mine. You wrote the root cause and effect. I noted that this is not true. And having changed a little, he returned your text to you.

                And then he wrote that you do not know the essence of the matter. This is not "something wrong". This is a cardinal mistake on which the entire argumentation of the Armenian side is based. This is a FUNDAMENTAL error.
          2. Bakht
            Bakht 4 March 2016 11: 05
            +1
            Let me give you a quote. One of the organizers of the Karabakh movement was Muradyan. Former Baku Armenian, but by then he worked in the State Plan of Armenia.

            In February 1986 years Muradyan took the draft letter to Moscow and persuaded nine Armenians, respected members of the Central Committee of the party and prominent scientists, to sign it. The most significant was the signature of Academician Abel Aganbegyan, Gorbachev's advisor on economic reforms. Muradyan recalled that "when [Agenbegyan] came to the house where he signed the letter, he did not even know where he was going and why he was being taken there. Before putting his signature, he spent four hours there. And during these four I drank about two liters of vodka for an hour "
            ------
            According to Muradyan, summer 1986 years With the help of the Dashnaks, the Karabakh people received the first batch of small arms from abroad. Subsequently, the supply of weapons began to be carried out regularly, and "for some reason, there were many Czech-made weapons." These weapons went mainly to Nagorno-Karabakh. "All organizations in Karabakh were armed. All local Komsomol members had personal weapons." This astonishing admission shows that at least one Armenian activist was convinced that the dispute between the two republics could escalate into an armed conflict.
          3. Bakht
            Bakht 4 March 2016 11: 18
            +1
            I had to read your message to the end. Ignorance of the source material and weak argumentation. Let me dotted line the main points of the collapse of the USSR.

            It was about the struggle for power. Where did the call "take as much sovereignty as you can" came from. From Baku, Yerevan, Vilnius or Moscow? Those who wanted to destroy the USSR used EBN for their own purposes. And he destroyed the country in the struggle for power.

            Let's get back to Karabakh. Who wanted a change of borders? Armenians Who wanted to save the country? Azerbaijanis. The facts are as follows. In a referendum on the future of the USSR, Azerbaijan voted 90% to preserve the USSR and existing borders. In Armenia, the referendum was disrupted. They well understood that the capture of Karabakh was possible only with the collapse of the USSR.

            Therefore, all liberals led by Yeltsin stood for the transfer of Karabakh to Armenia. And Ligachev's group stood for the abandonment of Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan. He won the EBN and Russia supported Armenia.

            So strictly speaking, the conflict began in Yerevan. But if you look at the facts more broadly and be able to analyze them, Moscow supported the conflict. All these Sakharovs, Bonners, Aganbegyans and Starovoitovs.

            By the way, for this reason, I consider Azerbaijan’s People’s Parliament to be traitors. They objectively worked on the transfer of Karabakh to Armenia. The fact that they chatted at rallies did not matter. They stood on the position of dismantling the USSR and changing borders. But they are so dumb that they still don’t understand what they were doing. Yes, and the leadership of the Azerbaijan Popular Front were Armenians. If not quite ethnically, then in spirit and upbringing. Only now they have rolled articles on the betrayal of the motherland. They did it right. Though late.
            1. Kuzyakin15
              Kuzyakin15 4 March 2016 11: 50
              0
              Bakt:
              You accused me of weak argumentation and ignorance of the material. But your whole message comes down to the same, That Moscow and the Armenians are to blame for EVERYTHING. You seem to be right, because everyone has their own TRUTH, and you demonstrate it.
            2. Bakht
              Bakht 4 March 2016 12: 16
              +1
              Good. We move away from the private (Karabakh) and move on to the general (conflicts and the collapse of the country).

              It is necessary to clearly determine what was the egg and what was the chicken. Conflicts provoked the collapse of the country? Or did the collapse of the country provoke conflicts? And as with chicken and egg, there is no single answer. The first conflicts were not in Karabakh, but in Alma-Ata and in the Ferghana Valley. The task was to destroy the country. And liberals actively participated in this. Somewhere conflicts began for objective reasons (water use), somewhere inspired from abroad (diaspora).

              But we must clearly outline the time intervals. In 1990, there were no independent Azerbaijan, Armenia, Kazakhstan or Lithuania. There was one country with a single control center. And this center was in Moscow. And in all republics (including Russia), nationalists were eager for power. To win, they needed to destroy the country. The nationalists won. And what then began is a direct consequence of the nationalist policies. In all republics (now independent states). The outcome of the Russian-speaking and generally any-lingual population other than the titular population is the reality of all post-Soviet states. This is a consequence.

              To summarize, conflicts throughout this space (as in Yugoslavia, by the way) are due to the loss of power by the center. It was Moscow. And since most ordinary people transfer that Moscow to today's, Russia is to blame. Hence the rejection of Moscow as a center of power at the present time.

              Understand correctly - the collapse of the state and the rise to power of nationalists made the outcome of non-titular nations simply a matter of time. How tough this outcome was, depended on the specific place. But the conflicts were laid in Moscow.

              Again. I do not blame Moscow for all conflicts. But overall responsibility in Moscow. Did you know that Moscow supported Shevarnadze against Abkhazia? Did you know that Moscow supported Armenia against Azerbaijan? Moreover, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR recognized the act on the transfer of NKAO to Armenia as ILLEGAL. And this ILLEGAL act is the basis of the Constitution of Armenia. Moscow of the 1990s supported all separatist regimes in the post-Soviet space.

              And finally. The agreement on the dissolution of the USSR was signed not by Azerbaijan, not Kazakhstan, not the Baltic states. Signed by three Slavic republics. And the exodus of the Slavs is on their conscience. They did not know? "Ignorance of the laws does not absolve from responsibility."
            3. Kuzyakin15
              Kuzyakin15 4 March 2016 12: 53
              0
              Bakt:
              You write: ... clearly determine what was first a chicken or an egg.
              And in the beginning there was a ramin serg stuffing: that Moscow is to blame for all tensions in the post-Soviet space. Further more, as a result of our polemic with you, it turned out that the collapse of the USSR was beneficial only to Moscow and all conflicts were also to Russia’s hand. So? And did Moscow need ethnic conflicts? Yes, the agreement on collapse was signed by three Slavic leaders. Fact. And the fact that Nazarbayev was among the gathered the most wise and far-sighted, also Fact.
              But why didn’t they come to sign the leaders of other republics and did not defend the integrity of the Union, do not you remind me?
              Or maybe all the same then national leaders did not seek to maintain the Union?
              And they themselves wanted to reign and mock?
              (I remember the EBN liked it very much when, on the eve of the next election, some zhurnalyugi called him Tsar Boris.)
            4. Bakht
              Bakht 4 March 2016 13: 03
              +1
              I entered into controversy only because you misrepresented the facts. I hope that I voiced the position on the conflict quite fully. I cannot argue with you because you are distorting my words. So you wrote
              As a result of our polemic with you, it turned out that the collapse of the USSR was beneficial only to Moscow and all conflicts were also to Russia's hand. So? And were Moscow needed ethnic conflicts?

              I am very sorry that you have such an opinion. I wrote that the collapse of the country and conflicts were beneficial to the group of politicians in Moscow who were eager for power. They relied on local nationalists. They won and conflicts flared up with renewed vigor. If they lost, then Moscow would severely suppress all these conflicts.

              I remind you. The Bialowieza agreements were signed in secret and Nazarbayev was not there. How could the leaders of other states come there if this was a conspiracy?

              Vyacheslav Kebich, who was the head of the Belarusian government at that time, claims that the Russian delegation was the initiator of the Bialowieza Agreements, and the signing itself was spontaneous. According to him, "Yeltsin alone knew all this."
      2. Kuzyakin15
        Kuzyakin15 4 March 2016 12: 27
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        Bakt:
        Karabakh happened long before EBN.
        And the appeal about sovereignty to whom as much as you want was just voiced by EBN, and not by Gorbachev.
        But when this call was made, in fact, when Lithuania, Latvia and others de facto were no longer part of the USSR.
        So do not refer to the EBN that he allowed it. Yes, and in Baku, when were the riots? And when did the EBN start distributing sovereignty?
        So the truth is yours, excuse me dear, somehow ...
        one-sided.
      3. Bakht
        Bakht 4 March 2016 12: 38
        +1
        Did I write that the EBN provoked a conflict? Of course, this is his slogan. I also wrote that the near drinking man was used for their own purposes. He wanted power - he got it. Due to what? Due to the collapse of the country.

        Any conflicts and sovereignty begin as a result of the loss of power by the center. For me it is an axiom. You yourself wrote that Moscow was supposed to forcefully crush this conflict in its infancy. Why not suppress? Yes, because those who were eager for power themselves and set fire to this conflict.

        A little distraction. Let's get back to Karabakh. Armenia claims that the SA helped Azerbaijan. Azerbaijanis claim that the SA helped Armenia. Who is right? Both sides. The genocide in Khojalla was committed with the support of SA soldiers. Ring operation was also carried out with the support of the SA. Everything depended not so much on the local commanders as on what kind of installation they received from Moscow.
      4. Bakht
        Bakht 4 March 2016 12: 42
        +1
        Forgot to write. But this is an addition to their cheers patriots. During the operation of the Ring, who spoke out sharply against?

        Traitors in the person of the Popular Front of Azerbaijan. All leaders of the Popular Front opposed this operation, citing a violation of the rights of the Armenian minority.

        Sounds wild for the layman. But from my point of view, they acted in full accordance with my hypothesis.
  • Lindon
    Lindon 4 March 2016 11: 55
    +1
    Quote: Kuzyakin15
    On the contrary, Gorbachev (how not to treat him) tried to persuade both conflicting parties, but where is there,


    Gorbachev himself brewed this whole thing. No, not directly, but with its policies, perestroika, publicity, etc.
    What evidence? Look at how many conflicts broke out in the USSR since the 1986 year.
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 4 March 2016 12: 12
      0
      Quote: Lindon
      Quote: Kuzyakin15
      On the contrary, Gorbachev (how not to treat him) tried to persuade both conflicting parties, but where is there,


      Gorbachev himself brewed this whole thing. No, not directly, but with its policies, perestroika, publicity, etc.
      What evidence? Look at how many conflicts broke out in the USSR since the 1986 year.

      Gorbachev is to blame for the collapse of the USSR, no one disputes that these uncontrollable processes began under him, and in the conflict between Armenians and Azerbaijanis hesitated and soft-headed, like Yanukovych did.
      But the fact that he tried to extinguish the conflict by peaceful means is a fact. Another thing is that neither side has succumbed to persuasion.
      At one time, these negotiations were broadcast on TV and radio. Another thing is that everything went so far that this issue had to be resolved by force.
      Then, perhaps, there wasn’t such a collapse of the USSR. Perhaps it would have ceased to exist as a result, but somehow it would have been more smoothly with an instant collapse.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 4 March 2016 16: 11
    0
    Quote: Kuzyakin15
    It all started with Sumgait,

    Now, if you don’t know anything, why judge the conflict ???
    It all started with the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from Kafan in Armenia ATTENTION 1987 YEAR !!!! And when did it total ??? By 90-91, Armenia was completely cleared of Azerbaijanis and sums up the consequences of the expulsion of more than 200 thousand Azerbaijanis from Armenia. I come from territories and there is no need to talk about sumgait here. And who allowed the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from Armenia since 1987 ?? Correct leadership of the USSR.
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 4 March 2016 18: 45
      0
      Quote: Yeraz
      Quote: Kuzyakin15
      It all started with Sumgait,

      Now, if you don’t know anything, why judge the conflict ???
      It all started with the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from Kafan in Armenia ATTENTION 1987 YEAR !!!! And when did it total ??? By 90-91, Armenia was completely cleared of Azerbaijanis and sums up the consequences of the expulsion of more than 200 thousand Azerbaijanis from Armenia. I come from territories and there is no need to talk about sumgait here. And who allowed the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from Armenia since 1987 ?? Correct leadership of the USSR.


      But didn’t they expel the Armenians? And here we had the Armenian refugees. The truth is in transit. Mostly they went to the Krasnodar and Stavropol territories, and to the Rostov region.
      And what was there in the leadership of the USSR from the word at all, representatives of the Union republics? And what, all the dark affairs of the collapse of the USSR were settled in Moscow? And where did the local national fronts of something come from on the ground, in the republics.
      It would be interesting for the Armenian comrades in this case. Was it all so clear, as you are trying to show here.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 5 March 2016 01: 00
        0
        Quote: Kuzyakin15
        But didn’t they expel the Armenians?

        Yes, the Armenians were expelled. But you don’t translate the topic. You said that everything started from Sumgait, and I say at 87 they started to expel us by the 90th. And here we are expelled mountain and just rural residents ended up in Baku. And what do we see ?? ?? Kayfuyuschih Armenians living in much better conditions and continuing to live like that. What was our reaction ??? It is clear to hell to kill and destroy. But the main misfortune of my people, and all the Turkic peoples, is kindness beyond measure. And they began to isolate us, and those who escaped and followed the Armenians were hid by neighbors Azerbaijanis or simply defended. Then the Armenians all left.
        Quote: Kuzyakin15
        And what, all the dark affairs of the collapse of the USSR were settled in Moscow? And where did the various national fronts of something come from on the ground, in the republics.

        In Moscow, they decided the collapse of the union. At the beginning, Azerbaijanis were disarmed, they went to all houses and took hunting rifles. The authorities weren’t there already. The Armenians did what they wanted.
        Quote: Kuzyakin15
        It would be interesting for the Armenian comrades in this case. Was it all so clear, as you are trying to show here.

        And what to listen to. The Internet to help you in 1987, the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from Kafan and the testimony of various people, including your Prokhanov, he personally observed all this. And you thought in Azerbaijan they would not create a reciprocal popular front and it would not be filled by expelled Azerbaijanis from Armenia itself ??? We were the main force of the national upsurge in Azerbaijan, since in Moscow we were engaged in the collapse and everyone did not care about our exile and wonders what the hell we should be for a country that does not care about us. We must take power into our own hands.
  • lex locis
    lex locis 4 March 2016 13: 21
    0
    Quote: ramin_serg
    I hope the list will not continue


    It will be, it will be, if the neighbors do not think with their heads but look into the mouths of sweet-voiced "bearers of democratic values." Moreover, the main purpose of these sweet-voiced sirens is to fatten this cockerel, play off with Russia, and then also prepare a good roast from the resulting carcass ...
  • SveTok
    SveTok 3 March 2016 19: 33
    +1
    Yes, if you don’t pay, then all this equipment can be transferred to Nagorno-Karabakh, Armenia will not refuse such a gift.
  • Tor5
    Tor5 3 March 2016 14: 24
    +8
    They are not friends to us, not friends ...
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 3 March 2016 14: 29
      +4
      Quote: Tor5
      They are not friends to us, not friends ...

      Well, I almost agree with you, given how many Azerbaijanis live in Russia, you can call them close neighbors. There is only one thing, but all these close neighbors from the East respect strength and a strong state. So there should be no choice for them. Either you are with us or against us.
      1. gergi
        gergi 3 March 2016 14: 56
        +2
        It’s bad that they live here. At the hour of H, or X, if anyone likes something, will they turn into saboteurs. They know the terrain, they know the conditions, they are overgrown with bonds. Cops and bureaucrats bought. They will let us have a blood. They are not friends to us, not friends!
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 3 March 2016 15: 02
          +3
          Are Russian "cops and bureaucrats" that corrupt? Or are you getting ready for the "H or X" hour?

          At the time of the war, all Russian "cops and bureaucrats" will side with Azerbaijan? There is something to be proud of ...

          Think first, then state your thoughts.
          1. user
            user 3 March 2016 15: 35
            +2
            Think first, then state your thoughts.


            You don’t write stupid things and try to evaluate the situation evenly. We have in Azerbaijan, that Armenia has interests and not only related ones, only Yerevan is a member of the CSTO.
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 3 March 2016 15: 48
              +3
              Where is my stupidity? Hint.

              Of course, Russia has interests. But in politics, as in a bazaar. You to me - I to you. If only you are to me, then this is vassality.

              Did I write that Armenia is not a member of the CSTO? I wrote why Azerbaijan CANNOT become a member of the CSTO.

              And specifically on the "fabrications", then you probably know Russian. The person wrote that the Azerbaijanis in Russia bought "cops and bureaucrats." And this poses a danger to Russia. If this is not stupidity, then I began to think worse of the Russians. You are not angry, but read the text correctly. I wrote that Russians are not for sale. And you took the side of the person who said that Russians are for sale :-)
        2. Seal
          Seal 3 March 2016 15: 10
          -2
          And if we have a military conflict with Armenia? And in Russia there are three million Armenians !!
          Which in the same way, if not better, they know the terrain, and they know the conditions, and have become overgrown with bonds. Cops and bureaucrats bought. And they themselves are both cops and bureaucrats, up to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia.
          Just don’t need to say that nothing will ever happen to us with Armenia.
          When I started talking about a possible military clash between Russia and Georgia about 10 years ago, then almost everyone, especially Georgians, screamed out of my ears that there would never be such a conflict, because there could never be one. After 08.08.2008, everyone shut up sharply.
    2. Seal
      Seal 3 March 2016 14: 49
      +1
      They are not friends to us, not friends ..
      Yes, in figs that are not friends. But they must be attached to us. Begin to think for the interests of Russia, and not for the interests of Armenia.
      In fact, Russia needs Azerbaijan, not Armenia.
      I show this with a simple example.
      Let's imagine that Georgia has already joined NATO and see what is more dangerous for us:
      a) if Azerbaijan then joins NATO
      b) if Armenia then joins NATO

      If Armenia joins NATO (when Georgia is already a member of NATO), this will not affect the weather in any way. Well, we’ll just assume that somewhere in the back of Georgia, far from our border, another Georgian region will appear. Well, or if Georgia is not in NATO, it can be assumed that a member of Turkey’s NATO has yet another area in the east of the country.

      But if Azerbaijan joins NATO, especially when Georgia is already there, then look at the map. From Iran, we instantly become cut off. Communication is only by sea. And NATO ships will appear on the Caspian Sea. Do we need it?
      It is vitally important for us to urgently change the vector of policy from pro-Armenian to involving Azerbaijan in our orbit. If we tie Azerbaijan to ourselves, we will thereby completely deprive our Central Asian "friends" and Kazakhstan of any illusions that they have the opportunity to pull their pipelines to Europe, bypassing Russia (or Azerbaijan, which is tied to us).
      By tying Azerbaijan to us, we will cut the eggs to Ukraine and Georgia, which have already hopped for rail transit to China past Russia (wagons from the ports of Ukraine carry wagons to the port of Batumi, from Batumi the wagons go by rail to Baku, there they again roll them back to ferry and ferry goes to Kazakhstan. And from there, as it should be - cars on rails roll to China).
      And if Azerbaijan falls out of this chain, then to hell with it, and not Chinese transit. There is no one to replace Azerbaijan. Armenia has no access to the Caspian Sea.

      And Armenia ... is located in such a way ... that it is impossible to get into it from Russia by land without the consent of Azerbaijan or Georgia. And by the sea, it’s through Iran and there are another thousand miles, and all with mountains, mountains.
      It is beneficial for us that Azerbaijan, with our help or with our connivance, regain Karabakh. Then our Azerbaijan is tight !!
      And only after that, when we will tightly bind Azerbaijan to ourselves, only then will it be possible to gradually feed Armenia with weapons. So that Azerbaijan clearly understands that if it tries even a little bit to loosen the rope that ties it to Russia, then the Armenians may again begin to take Karabakh.


      This is the interest of Russia.
  • sherp2015
    sherp2015 3 March 2016 15: 26
    -2
    Quote: ImperialKolorad
    It seems that we have learned from some of our neighbors. They don’t want to give money, and even make claims.


    M-yes! From Rogozin to be honest. It’s enough to look at his well-fed ryah, it’s clear what his interests are.
  • ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 4 March 2016 08: 11
    +2
    In the arms market there is no 100% payment yet, no one is sending weapons, so the problem is not in money, at least not in paying for equipment that is waiting for unloading.

    Most likely this is a political problem!
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 3 March 2016 14: 25
    0

    “You can always find a compromise,

    So you need to find a compromise in the triangle of problems, Turkey - Debt - Armenia.
    It is only necessary to exclude the bicopia as in the Ukrainian colleagues. Whatever the hint was. It is time for Azerbaijan to land on one shore, and stop hanging out like fecal mass in an ice hole.
    1. Seal
      Seal 3 March 2016 15: 04
      +1
      Wow. It is high time for Azerbaijan to apply for membership in the CSTO. Then he will receive all legal grounds to demand equal treatment with Armenia. And according to FIG, that at the table in the CSTO, the Azerbaijani representative may have to sit next to the Armenian. For the sake of state interests, you can even sit next to a skunk.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 3 March 2016 15: 13
        +2
        You can sit with a skunk. I'm not against. How is the CSTO deciphered?

        Collective Security Treaty Organization. What is spelled out in the Charter of this Organization?

        strengthening peace, international and regional security and stability, collective defense of the independence, territorial integrity and sovereignty of member states


        So with a skunk, we might have sat. What about Territorial Integrity? So the obstacle for Azerbaijan to join the CSTO is the position of a member of the CSTO, that is, Armenia.

        Impossible. Therefore, a couple of days ago I broke the keyboard, proving that the withdrawal of the occupation forces is the FIRST task.

        What is the risk of the situation? Azerbaijan has become an object of international politics due to the occupation of its 6 regions. Who promises to deoccupate us will receive our friendship. REAL-POLITIK. Objectively, it is more profitable for us to be friends with Russia. But this is not possible for a reason ... see above.
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 3 March 2016 16: 22
          0
          Quote: Bakht
          So the obstacle for Azerbaijan to join the CSTO is the position of a member of the CSTO, that is, Armenia.

          That is, Armenia can block the application? But the Russian Federation, for example, cannot put pressure on the Armenians and for a start conclude an agreement on joint management of 6 districts to begin with. This is a good start, I think, to return the territory.
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 3 March 2016 17: 15
            +1
            As you can see, Russia cannot. How can we be in the same organization as the invader country? Explain this moment to me. For all my perverted logic, I can't imagine it.

            What you offer is a very bad decision. Occupied areas should be returned subject to a ceasefire and the deployment of peacekeepers (even from the CSTO). What is the joint management of YOUR areas? Or return or war. By the way, today there were 120 fire contacts on the front line. Namely FRONT.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 3 March 2016 17: 54
              0
              Quote: Bakht
              As you can see, Russia cannot.

              So Baku left the question that they are ready to join the CSTO on certain conditions.

              Quote: Bakht
              How can we be in the same organization as the invader country? Explain this moment to me.

              Well, for example, in NATO, Greece and Turkey are. Cyprus is certainly not Greece, but in fact the same thing.

              Quote: Bakht
              The occupied areas should be returned subject to a ceasefire and the deployment of peacekeepers (even from the CSTO). What is the joint management of YOUR areas?

              Together, for example, on the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan, CSTO peacekeepers. Regions where there are no Armenians return immediately to the control of Baku.
              Where the Armenians live, the local administration remains with its police, courts, and internal laws. At the same time, an envoy is appointed from Baku to monitor this whole matter and promote the economic and political interests of Baku.
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 3 March 2016 18: 02
                +2
                This is all I said already. Not exactly so, but roughly. Armenia does not agree. If Azerbaijan joins the CSTO, will this organization protect the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan?
              2. andj61
                andj61 3 March 2016 19: 17
                0
                Quotation: blooded man
                Together, for example, on the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan, CSTO peacekeepers. Regions where there are no Armenians return immediately to the control of Baku.
                Where the Armenians live, the local administration remains with its police, courts, and internal laws. At the same time, an envoy is appointed from Baku to monitor this whole matter and promote the economic and political interests of Baku.

                You see, there are territories with different statuses. There is Karabakh, Azerbaijan considers it to be its own, Armenians - its own. There is a well-known dispute that served as the beginning of the conflict. And there are six more regions of Azerbaijan itself (not Karabakh) occupied by the Armenians. As far as I understand, all residents were expelled from there. Armenia set the recognition of NKR by Azerbaijan and the provision of a transport corridor to Armenia as a condition for the transfer of these territories. Azerbaijan cannot do this.
        2. kapitan92
          kapitan92 3 March 2016 16: 43
          +6
          Quote: Bakht
          Anyone who promises to de-occupy us will receive our friendship.

          And how much does this "friendship" cost ???
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 3 March 2016 17: 19
            +1
            Well, they didn’t offer me.

            Let's just say - This friendship will cost us a couple of bases (air and sea). In return, we get pressure on Armenia to return the occupied areas. I do not like this option at all. But I assure you that in Azerbaijan this will suit the majority of the population.

            By the way, continuing the controversy with another user. Strategic Rocket Forces will strike at American bases? Risk it? This will be our umbrella.

            I repeat once again - this is the worst choice. But choice. It has always been said - do not drive the enemy into a corner. He will become intractable. The Golden Bridge was not invented by you or me. And not even Putin and Aliyev.
  • PKK
    PKK 3 March 2016 14: 29
    0
    Rogozin will ruin. They will pay as nice, otherwise the equipment from the port will go to other buyers.
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  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 3 March 2016 14: 36
    +4
    Something Azerbaijan was completely out of hand. The Aliyev’s all hell somewhere all the time. We must somehow direct them towards the true path, otherwise we will get a new problem.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 3 March 2016 14: 44
      +1
      Quote: dchegrinec
      The Aliyev’s all hell somewhere all the time. We must somehow direct them towards the true path, otherwise we will get a new problem.

      As long as Russia supports Armenia, Azerbaijan will never be able to be close to the Russian Federation, even if you make Putin the president. Aliev tries not to oppose Russia as much as possible, but Russia's endless policy of the occupier of Azerbaijani territories baffles even Aliyev, who does not want to go against Russia.
      1. Seal
        Seal 3 March 2016 15: 04
        0
        It is high time for Azerbaijan to apply for membership in the CSTO. Then he will get all legal grounds to demand equal treatment with Armenia. And according to FIG, that at the table in the CSTO, the Azerbaijani representative may have to sit next to the Armenian. For the sake of state interests, you can even sit next to a skunk.
      2. Chisayna
        Chisayna 3 March 2016 15: 05
        0
        What it is: Russia's endless policy of the occupier of the Azerbaijani territories is more detailed. But in general, Russia has such a policy: peace in the territory of the former USSR.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 3 March 2016 20: 52
          +1
          Quote: Chisain
          : the endless policy of Russia occupier of the Azerbaijani territories is more detailed.

          Imell in view of the support of the Occupant, and the occupier is Armenia.
          Quote: Chisain
          In general, Russia has such a policy: peace in the territory of the former USSR.

          Well, of course)) Americans to Azerbaijan also tell tales about this together with the French))
          1. Chisayna
            Chisayna 3 March 2016 22: 43
            0
            In general, I still have Armenia and Azerbaijan, or not. But if you are at war, the refugees then flee to us, to Russia. That is why Russia needs peace in the republics of the former USSR.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 3 March 2016 23: 31
              0
              Quote: Chisain
              But, if you are at war, the refugees then flee to us, to Russia. That is why Russia needs peace in the republics of the former USSR.

              While Russia will support Armenia, there will be no peace. And there will be a possibility of arson of this war and the result of this war may be unpredictable from turning Azerbaijan into an ultra-nationalist state that hates Russia or turning Azerbaijan into Syria from destroyed territory and a bunch of Islamic terrorist groups.
              1. Chisayna
                Chisayna 4 March 2016 02: 53
                -2
                It is useless to talk with an Azerbaijani about Karabakh; it is better to say how much persimmon in St. Petersburg.
      3. kapitan92
        kapitan92 3 March 2016 16: 47
        +6
        Quote: Yeraz
        confuses even Aliyev, who does not want to go against Russia.

        Yah? I remind you: at the negotiations between Russia and Azerbaijan on the extension of the lease agreement for the Daryal radar station in Gabala, Baku demanded to increase the rental price from the current price of $ 7 million to $ 300 million per year.
        This is how to evaluate?
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 3 March 2016 17: 23
          0
          It must be regarded as regarded and then. Azerbaijan does not want to have ANY heavyweights base on its territory.

          Of course, it was an outrageous price. To remove the base. But when was it removed? I wrote before. When Russia covered its southern borders with Voronezh. That is, at the most difficult moment, Azerbaijan did not leave the southern direction defenseless. We did not act like the Balts. Then the western direction for the Russian Federation was completely bare. Azerbaijan honestly held the Russian base until a replacement was found.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 3 March 2016 17: 38
            +3
            Quote: Bakht
            That is, at the most difficult moment, Azerbaijan did not leave the southern direction defenseless.

            Or maybe Aliyev did this because one million three Azerbaijanis live on the territory of Russia and many of them send money there for which some residents of this country live, unlike the Baltic States, which did not depend on us like that?
            Most likely, Aliyev was simply frightened, so to speak, "suddenly" to break off some military relations between our countries.
            And Karabakh has “floated away” from you and will most likely never return.
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 3 March 2016 17: 51
              +1
              I don’t think so. It was always possible to break off relations. For me, the events in Nord-Ost were the most striking manifestation of sensible policy. And how Azerbaijan and Russia settled the situation. It was then that the principle "you are for me, I am for you" appeared. Karabakh has nothing to do with it. The Gabala radar station has been voiced for a long time. There will be no foreign bases on the territory of Azerbaijan. This line has not changed for 20 years. So there is nothing unexpected.

              As for Karabakh, it is not for us to decide. Too many hot inadequate goals. Calm people decide. This, of course, is a problem and there will be no return to the old. But a compromise can be found.
              1. kapitan92
                kapitan92 3 March 2016 21: 26
                +4
                Quote: Bakht
                As for Karabakh, it is not for us to decide. Too many hot inadequate goals. Calm people decide. This, of course, is a problem and there will be no return to the old. But a compromise can be found.

                We do not mind that calm people Sargsyan and Aliyev find a compromise.
              2. co-creator
                co-creator 4 March 2016 17: 34
                0
                Quote: Bakht
                For me, the most striking manifestation of a sensible policy was the events in the Nord-Ost. And how Azerbaijan and Russia resolved the situation.

                What does Nord-Ost have to do with Baku?
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 4 March 2016 18: 29
                  +1
                  It has. Not the attack itself. And its consequences and what decisions were made in Baku and Moscow.
                  1. co-creator
                    co-creator 4 March 2016 22: 22
                    0
                    Quote: Bakht
                    And its consequences and what decisions were made in Baku and Moscow

                    I did not understand anything . What does Azerbaijan have to do with it.
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz 3 March 2016 20: 59
              +2
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Or maybe Aliyev did this because one million three Azerbaijanis live on the territory of Russia and many of them send money there for which some residents of this country live, unlike the Baltic States, which did not depend on us like that?

              Again, there is an exaggeration, Turkey lives at the expense of Russia, Azerbaijan at the expense of migrants)))
              Do not confuse with Tajikistan, Armenia and Kyrgyzstan.
              Most Azerbaijanis in Russia have long been citizens of the Russian Federation, the older generation who arrived in 90 received citizenship, and their children are in fact citizens of the Russian Federation. Homes, cars, business in Russia serve in the Russian army and spend their money here too.
              A maximum of a spare house was purchased in Baku for recreation in the summer and just in case.
              It is dangerous to open a business in Azerbaijan, it must be divided or they can simply take it away and in general access for Russian Azerbaijanis there is complicated, everything there belongs to local officials.
              500 thousand is the category that partially sends money to Azerbaijan. And they do not play a critical role.
              Quote: quilted jacket
              And Karabakh has “floated away” from you and will most likely never return.

              Karabakh sailed away for a long time. And it’s never necessary to say how the USSR fell apart tomorrow maybe Azerbaijan and Russia will fall apart.
          2. co-creator
            co-creator 4 March 2016 17: 32
            0
            Quote: Bakht
            Of course, it was an outrageous price. To remove the base. But when was it removed? I wrote before. When Russia covered its southern borders with Voronezh.

            In general, I think that it was just an agreement. Putin asked Aliyev to make such a statement so that the "patriots" in the Russian Federation would not shout that we were surrendering our bases and all that. It’s clear. that the Russian Federation cannot keep such strategic stations outside Russia.
            Quote: Bakht
            Azerbaijan honestly held the Russian base until a replacement was found.

            This is another confirmation of my version.
      4. cap
        cap 3 March 2016 18: 52
        +2
        Quote: Yeraz
        Aliyev is trying as hard as possible not to be against Russia,but the endless policy of Russia occupier of Azerbaijani territories confuses even Aliyev, who does not want to go against Russia.


        You yourself can understand what you wrote?
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 3 March 2016 21: 01
          +2
          Quote: cap
          You yourself can understand what you wrote?

          Sorry, I was in a hurry when writing. There was an endless policy to support the occupier of the Azerbaijani territories, i.e. supporting the occupier of Armenia.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 3 March 2016 14: 42
    0
    What kind of nonsense ??? What lack of money ??? Some unknown person said. The budget of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan has not been reduced. The main part of the contract has long been paid.

    Azerbaijan plans to allocate 2016 million manat for defense in 1.

    According to Trend, this is stated in the presentation of the draft state and consolidated budgets of Azerbaijan for next year, published by the country's Ministry of Finance.

    Expenditures envisaged for the defense sector for next year will increase by 2015 million manat (59,3 percent) compared with the 3,3 budget forecast, and by 2015 million manat compared to the budget execution forecast for 77,8 (4,4 , XNUMX percent).

    In general, the funds provided for defense and security expenses, the maintenance of the judiciary, law enforcement agencies and prosecutors in 2016 will amount to 18,3 percent of the total budget expenditures.

    It should be noted that the state budget revenues of Azerbaijan for 2016 are projected at 14 million manat, and expenditures - 566 million manat.

    The budget deficit for 2016 is projected at 1 million manat, or 698 percent of GDP [its volume is determined at 2,9 billion manat].


    Most likely, Rogozin will discuss arms deliveries to Armenia.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 3 March 2016 14: 42
    +6
    There are two versions of the urgent arrival of Rogozin.

    The first one was announced by Kommersant "Azerbaijan has no money". Considering that the contracts were concluded several years ago and basically all the equipment has already been received, the version is unconvincing. Moreover, Azerbaijan has already paid $ 4 billion. So the question of non-payment is most likely wrong.

    The second version says that Azerbaijan decided to abandon the purchase of Russian equipment and switch to Israeli and NATO models. There are options for Belarus and old Soviet technology from Eastern Europe. The reason is the provision of a $ 200 million credit to Armenia.

    Russian equipment is sold to Armenia on credit and at a price 25% less than what Azerbaijan buys. Russia does not want to lose such a client. Therefore, Rogozin did not come alone, but brought an impressive group of specialists from RosOBoronExport.

    In any case, the results of the negotiations will be known tonight or tomorrow. My opinion is that there is talk of curtailing military-technical cooperation with Russia. The reason is the supply of weapons to Armenia. How to agree is unknown. But negotiations will be first at the Ministry of Defense, then with the head of the Azerbaijani military-industrial complex, and then with President I. Aliyev. If the question was only in payment, then representatives of the Ministry of Finance of Azerbaijan would also participate. But they are not visible in the negotiations. This is a political issue, not a financial one.

    Azerbaijan is losing a lot. But Russia is also losing several billion in future contracts.
  • KRIG55
    KRIG55 3 March 2016 14: 46
    +1
    In the morning, money in the evening, chairs, is it really not enough Ukrainian lesson?
    1. Seal
      Seal 3 March 2016 14: 52
      +2
      And what does Ukraine have to do with it? Armenians have never given us debts at all !!!
  • Bakht
    Bakht 3 March 2016 14: 49
    +3
    Fans of counting money I want to remind the fact.

    Russia has received from Azerbaijan $ 4 billion over the past 4 years. We are talking about Russia getting at least another 1 billion dollars this year. They may not be received.

    Russia granted Armenia a $ 200 million military CREDIT. That is, I did not receive the money.

    What was said about the chairs?
    1. co-creator
      co-creator 3 March 2016 16: 31
      0
      Armenian lobby.
  • Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 3 March 2016 16: 16
    +4
    A strange position to arm YOUR POTENTIAL OPPONENT! Armenians Explicit allies and FOREVER (because of the Turks and the same Azeri)! And these nosed Azerbaijanis? If they are simply loyal, THAT AND THEN TEMPORARILY! As the Russians bite the cock, they put a knife in the back, don’t go to the fortuneteller
    1. co-creator
      co-creator 3 March 2016 17: 34
      +1
      Armenians will also betray two times. Maybe you didn’t live with the Armenians. Azerbaijanis at least feed themselves and buy products from us for lard dollars.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 3 March 2016 16: 21
    +1
    Go to the fortuneteller. I always thought that Armenians are nosy :-)
    1. kubanec
      kubanec 3 March 2016 16: 36
      +2
      --------- Go to the fortuneteller. I always thought that Armenians are nosy :-) ------------ No offense guys, but you are all nosy! laughing
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 3 March 2016 17: 24
        +2
        Not true. No offense.

        The Armenians were nosy and we were black-eyed for you. That’s what the Georgians were - I don’t know.
    2. yushch
      yushch 3 March 2016 16: 37
      +2
      Quote: Bakht
      Go to the fortuneteller. I always thought that Armenians are nosy :-)


      Come on, Russians also have noses. good
      1. alone
        alone 3 March 2016 18: 07
        +2
        Quote: Bakht
        The Armenians were nosy and we were black-eyed for you. That’s what the Georgians were - I don’t know.


        Quote: yushch
        Come on, Russians also have noses.



        We are all good in our own way wassat
  • Bakht
    Bakht 3 March 2016 17: 29
    +6
    To all the debaters. Latest information first hand. Nothing was said about the money. Nothing was said about contracts

    https://twitter.com/rogozin?lang=ru

    "Following the results of positive talks with the leader of friendly Azerbaijan, Ilham Aliyev"

    We all quarreled and fought. Already the Strategic Missile Forces have been put on alert. Redirected to Baku. And there was a friendly feast. And positive negotiations and friendly Azerbaijan.
    1. raf
      raf 3 March 2016 21: 21
      0
      Already the Strategic Missile Forces were put on alert
      Have you seen the movie Hotheads? So these guys are just from that cohort! lol They already wrote down the coordinates of a non-existent base (on a notebook sheet), and pressed the Enter button, all that was left was to give the command "Start the key!" laughing I do not get tired of thanking the Lord for the fact that such people do not become leaders of states!
  • alone
    alone 3 March 2016 18: 06
    +5
    The issue is not about money. Weapons bought are paid in advance))) this is the agreement. Some journalist blundered stupidity, the others caught up with this duck. Unlike some, we always paid and paid with our money, not with the supplier’s loans.

    And for those who are dissatisfied with Russian-Azerbaijani relations and believe that Russia is not cooperating with Azerbaijan in vain, I advise you to come closer with a map, deeply enlighten yourself with regional economic geography and ask a perfectly reasonable question: What can these relations prevent Russia from doing?
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 3 March 2016 20: 12
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      The issue is not about money. Weapons bought are paid in advance))) this is the agreement. Some journalist blundered stupidity, the others caught up with this duck. Unlike some, we always paid and paid with our money, not with the supplier’s loans.

      And for those who are dissatisfied with Russian-Azerbaijani relations and believe that Russia is not cooperating with Azerbaijan in vain, I advise you to come closer with a map, deeply enlighten yourself with regional economic geography and ask a perfectly reasonable question: What can these relations prevent Russia from doing?

      Hello, Rubai! Where did you go?
      The relations between Azerbaijan and Russia (friendly good) can not prevent any side, I think.
      But somehow he began to strain, so light blackmail, from the good neighbors and brothers .... former and, for now, real.
      Really: Belarus, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan ....
      And against the background of Ukraine, such blackmail is more and more frankly. Don't you think so yourself?
      Yours!
      1. alone
        alone 3 March 2016 21: 32
        +2
        Quote: Kuzyakin15
        Hello, Rubai! Where did you go?

        Greetings to Alexander! It seems like I’m just writing a little)))
        Quote: Kuzyakin15
        The relations between Azerbaijan and Russia (friendly good) can not prevent any side, I think.


        Well, as we see it interferes with some))))

        Quote: Kuzyakin15
        But somehow he began to strain, so light blackmail, from the good neighbors and brothers .... former and, for now, real.
        Really: Belarus, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan ....
        And against the background of Ukraine, such blackmail is more and more frankly. Don't you think so yourself?
        Yours!


        Journalists from the Kommersant newspaper let the duck go. Sometimes your media openly work against their country.
        1. Kuzyakin15
          Kuzyakin15 4 March 2016 07: 27
          +1
          Alone:
          Journalists, yes, sometimes even the scourge of God. Some journalists are capable of unleashing a world war out of nothing, with their "opuses".

          Respectfully:
  • gammipapa
    gammipapa 3 March 2016 20: 38
    +1
    Strangely enough, he meets Rogozin judging by the photo.
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  • RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 4 March 2016 05: 31
    +1
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Quote: Inok10
    either in Azerbaijan we, or NATO ..., Ukrainian front

    According to the NATA Charter, NATA does not accept members who have unresolved territorial disputes.

    - Ukraine Crimea
    - Azerbaijan - Karabakh

    Correct, if I am mistaken request

    Turkey-Greece conflict over Cyprus. When it is necessary to close all eyes.