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US marines will receive a programmable grenade launchers

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American marines in 2017 g armed with programmable grenade launchers XM25, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with a link to the breakingdefense.com resource.




“The XM25 grenade launchers, the development of which began in the 1990 year, are computerized complexes with high-tech sights and programmable ammunition. Their main feature is the use of 25-mm high-explosive grenades and an optical-electronic complex that combines day and night sights, a laser rangefinder, a ballistic computer, a compass and external interfaces to set the time for each grenade to be detonated, ”says the publication.

According to the report, "smart" grenades are equipped with a fuse, which is controlled by a computer.

“The infantryman can choose one of four different firing modes using a special switch. The main mode is an explosion in the air. The targeting takes place as follows: the soldier first finds the target with the help of a perfect fourfold thermal imager, then the laser range finder is turned on and information about the range and permission to open fire appear in the eyepiece of the sight, ”the resource writes.

The fighter needs only to select next to the position of the enemy: from above, from the side, behind and press the trigger.

According to the developers, “the XM-25 grenade launcher is effective when firing at moving targets hidden in buildings, trenches and behind trees, while the probability of hitting the target from the first shot at distances more than 500 meters is very high.”

The weight weapons - about 6-ti kg, grenade weight - 270 gr. The grenade launcher is made of titanium and composite materials.

Field tests XM-25 was held in Afghanistan, where he received the nickname "The Punisher".

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  1. rov81
    rov81 29 February 2016 13: 27 New
    -21 qualifying.
    This will not help them in bullying Russia!)
    1. Pravdarm
      Pravdarm 29 February 2016 13: 29 New
      -5
      Palundra! Save yourself who can! laughing
      US marines will receive a programmable grenade launchers
      Programmable Zombies will receive programmable grenade launchers!

      Programmable diapers in addition! wassat
      1. cniza
        cniza 29 February 2016 13: 31 New
        28
        Patriotism is good, but a sober look will not hurt.
        1. Pravdarm
          Pravdarm 29 February 2016 13: 42 New
          +9
          I do not argue, just joked!
          Grenade launcher made of titanium and composite materials.
          By the way, they buy titanium from us, and we cut titanium submarines!
        2. atalef
          atalef 29 February 2016 14: 14 New
          +6
          Quote: cniza
          Patriotism is good, but a sober look will not hurt.

          Well, the thing is really cool.
          1. Professor
            Professor 29 February 2016 16: 06 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Well, the thing is really cool.

            Not cool, but useful. Why demolish a building if you can demolish a militant. In Yosh and Gaza, they would be very useful. hi

            XM25 Grenade Launcher and Multi-Function Rifle System
            November 15 2011







            PS
            March 30, 2013 14:04 The XM25 grenade launcher was lit in Afghanistan.
            1. Temples
              Temples 29 February 2016 16: 24 New
              0
              Field tests XM-25 was held in Afghanistan, where he received the nickname "The Punisher".

              We called the punishers of the Nazis.
              And then the right name stuck to the weapon.
              In whose hands is and is called.
              1. sak1969
                sak1969 29 February 2016 20: 10 New
                +4
                Quote: Temples
                We called the punishers of the Nazis.
                And then the right name stuck to the weapon.
                In whose hands is and is called.


                We called the punisher armored car for the FSB or called.

                And "Edelweiss" special forces from Mineralnye Vody.
                So what !?
            2. poquello
              poquello 29 February 2016 21: 31 New
              0
              Quote: Professor

              XM25 Grenade Launcher and Multi-Function Rifle System
              .

              slot for usb ?, multimedia ?, 3d movie when watching in two sights?
            3. karpah
              karpah 29 February 2016 21: 58 New
              0
              I hope that we’ll buy at least one per platoon
          2. spiriolla-45
            spiriolla-45 29 February 2016 22: 11 New
            +1
            Since everything is computerized, it means you can detonate grenades from the outside, either in boxes or in the launcher itself. On a cunning f * ck, there is always horseradish with a screw.
            1. Professor
              Professor 1 March 2016 07: 45 New
              +4
              Quote: spiriolla-xnumx
              On a cunning f * ck, there is always horseradish with a screw.

              Oh, how I like the slogans. Especially "Need for invention is cunning." Is that why it is still a "need"? Have you invented clothes and shoes for yourself yet? The bourgeoisie has another saying about this. "If you are so smart, why are you so poor?" wink

              Quote: yushch
              And this reason lies in the prohibitive cost of ammunition, which at the time of testing was, I am afraid to make a mistake, about 5000 $ apiece.

              The price of the gun is $ 35, the price of a shot is $ 000. A penny on American terms.

              Quote: Vadim237
              Clearly, this is such a collimator sight on the barrel.

              Fire control system (rangefinder, ballistic computer, sight, ammunition programming system).
              The MPRS is a personal fire control system that first measures the range to the target before completing a variety of other calculations. The correct red dot aiming point is displayed on the system's eye piece in the right elevation necessary for an accurate shot, and then automatically sets the time delay fuse in the grenade to activate it just before impact at a preset altitude over the target. The fuse of the advanced 40 mm grenade can also be set to explode at a preset delay after an impact, for example to enable penetration of a relatively soft target such as a window.
              1. sergo42
                sergo42 1 March 2016 09: 19 New
                -1
                If you are so smart, why are you so poor "? [/ B] wink
                The degree of wealth does not depend on the intellect, but on congenital redneck and voluptuousness. Given the history of the United States, this is enough there.

                The price of the gun is $ 35, the price of a shot is $ 000. A penny on American terms.

                The price, even by Amer’s standards, is not a penny, but if this gun is put into service with ordinary motorized infantry, this is generally a consumable item (taking into account the contingent and the complexity of the design)
                1. Professor
                  Professor 1 March 2016 10: 49 New
                  +3
                  Quote: sergo42
                  The degree of wealth does not depend on the intellect, but on congenital redneck and voluptuousness. Given the history of the United States, this is enough there.

                  The degree of wealth depends on the ability to work and enterprise of a citizen of the country and the ability of the country itself to provide normal conditions for doing business.

                  Quote: sergo42
                  The price, even by Amer’s standards, is not a penny, but if this gun is put into service with ordinary motorized infantry, this is generally a consumable item (taking into account the contingent and the complexity of the design)

                  The price of a penny. American majahideen soldiers in Afghanistan also use TOUs where the price of a shot is $ 65 and Javelins with a shot price of $ 000. I generally keep silent about the call of aviation and its work by the Helfers at a price of $ 80 per shot.
                  1. co-creator
                    co-creator 1 March 2016 17: 00 New
                    0
                    Quote: Professor

                    The degree of wealth depends on the ability to work and enterprise of a citizen of the country and the ability of the country itself to provide normal conditions for doing business.

                    This is a lie to say the least. There are 30 million beggars in the US and this does not bother anyone. No one is in a hurry to provide them with normal business conditions and even work.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 1 March 2016 20: 06 New
                      +1
                      Quotation: blooded man
                      This is a lie to say the least. There are 30 million beggars in the US and this does not bother anyone. No one is in a hurry to provide them with normal business conditions and even work.

                      To put it mildly, this is not the case. The "beggars" in the United States are generally richer than your middle class. "Poverty" there is calculated as income x% less from the media income of the population. But even if you were right, there are only 30 million beggars with a population of 321,368,864 (July 2015 est.) Not bad at all. The average annual income there per capita is $ 56,300, you have $ 23,700. Their life expectancy even taking into account the "beggars" is 79.68 years, yours is 70.47. Of course there are beggars in the United States. And there are homeless people, but in most cases they themselves have chosen this fate.
              2. yushch
                yushch 1 March 2016 14: 17 New
                0
                Quote: Professor
                Quote: spiriolla-xnumx
                On a cunning f * ck, there is always horseradish with a screw.

                Oh, how I like the slogans. Especially "Need for invention is cunning." Is that why it is still a "need"? Have you invented clothes and shoes for yourself yet? The bourgeoisie has another saying about this. "If you are so smart, why are you so poor?" wink

                Quote: yushch
                And this reason lies in the prohibitive cost of ammunition, which at the time of testing was, I am afraid to make a mistake, about 5000 $ apiece.

                The price of the gun is $ 35, the price of a shot is $ 000. A penny on American terms.

                Quote: Vadim237
                Clearly, this is such a collimator sight on the barrel.

                Fire control system (rangefinder, ballistic computer, sight, ammunition programming system).
                The MPRS is a personal fire control system that first measures the range to the target before completing a variety of other calculations. The correct red dot aiming point is displayed on the system's eye piece in the right elevation necessary for an accurate shot, and then automatically sets the time delay fuse in the grenade to activate it just before impact at a preset altitude over the target. The fuse of the advanced 40 mm grenade can also be set to explode at a preset delay after an impact, for example to enable penetration of a relatively soft target such as a window.


                Lying again, professor? Such a shot price will probably be when the serial production of ammunition begins. Now the cost of a shot is $ 1000, and at the time of development it was around 5000. We don’t have to sing songs about a gray bull.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 1 March 2016 14: 20 New
                  +2
                  Quote: yushch
                  Lying again, professor? Such a shot price will probably be when the serial production of ammunition begins. Now the cost of a shot is $ 1000, and at the time of development it was around 5000. We don’t have to sing songs about a gray bull.

                  It is you who are lying. A link to your "truth" is it possible? wink
                  1. yushch
                    yushch 1 March 2016 15: 47 New
                    0
                    A ghoul to help you, how did you like to talk more recently, or is it still right that different people work under this nickname? tongue yes
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 1 March 2016 15: 52 New
                      +3
                      Quote: yushch
                      A ghoul to help you, as you liked to say more recently, or is it still right that different people work under this nickname

                      Google? I knew it. Thank you, Mr. liar. hi

                      PS
                      Moreover, two times. When and whom did I send to Google? wink
                      1. yushch
                        yushch 1 March 2016 18: 48 New
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Quote: yushch
                        A ghoul to help you, as you liked to say more recently, or is it still right that different people work under this nickname

                        Google? I knew it. Thank you, Mr. liar. hi

                        PS
                        Moreover, two times. When and whom did I send to Google? wink


                        Ooooh, comrade does not remember ... Well, well, it was a long time ago, Mr. "I never lie, I just do not finish." After several of our picks, I was registered in an emergency. Or remind you how you found fault with the Union, which gave you a free higher education “I noticed even then that I was communicating with different people, the manner of conducting a conversation was diametrically different.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 1 March 2016 20: 11 New
                        0
                        Quote: yushch
                        Ooooh, comrade does not remember ... Well, well, it was a long time ago, Mr. "I never lie, I just do not finish." After several of our picks, I was issued in an emergency.

                        Mr. liar, I can return you to the emergency.

                        Quote: yushch
                        Or remind you how you blamed the Union that gave you a free higher education?

                        Scoop related to grenade launcher? wassat My grandfathers paid in full for my education in the scoop, but in the West they gave me higher education for free and even paid a scholarship. However, this has nothing to do with a grenade launcher.

                        Quote: yushch
                        Even then I noticed that I was communicating with different people, the manner of conducting the conversation was diametrically different.

                        So mr. You sat in a puddle with your $ 5000 for ammunition. Do you want to show a link to an interview with Lieutenant Colonel Lucas, the director of the individual weapons program at Arsenal Picatinny where he voices the price of a grenade launcher and shots to it? wink
                      3. yushch
                        yushch 1 March 2016 23: 17 New
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Quote: yushch
                        Ooooh, comrade does not remember ... Well, well, it was a long time ago, Mr. "I never lie, I just do not finish." After several of our picks, I was issued in an emergency.

                        Mr. liar, I can return you to the emergency.

                        Quote: yushch
                        Or remind you how you blamed the Union that gave you a free higher education?

                        Scoop related to grenade launcher? wassat My grandfathers paid in full for my education in the scoop, but in the West they gave me higher education for free and even paid a scholarship. However, this has nothing to do with a grenade launcher.

                        Quote: yushch
                        Even then I noticed that I was communicating with different people, the manner of conducting the conversation was diametrically different.

                        So mr. You sat in a puddle with your $ 5000 for ammunition. Do you want to show a link to an interview with Lieutenant Colonel Lucas, the director of the individual weapons program at Arsenal Picatinny where he voices the price of a grenade launcher and shots to it? wink


                        sometimes it seems that I’m talking not with a professor, but with a dumb assistant professor. Carefully read my post, it says that at the time of development in the 90s, the cost of ammunition as well as the product itself was prohibitive. $ 35000 in 1992 is not the same 35000 $, that in 2012. At the time of the creation of the ammunition, programming technologies were an order of magnitude more expensive and therefore the cost was an order of magnitude higher. When testing a grenade launcher in Afghanistan, a shot cost $ 1000. And you can use your link ... for other purposes.
                        And the storyteller about the service in the IDF reserve, which by age does not fall at all under the service in the reserve, would have been silent about the lie.
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 2 March 2016 09: 37 New
                        0
                        Quote: yushch
                        sometimes it seems that I’m talking not with a professor, but with a dumb assistant professor. Carefully read my post, it says that at the time of development in the 90s, the cost of ammunition as well as the product itself was prohibitive. $ 35000 in 1992 is not the same 35000 $, that in 2012. At the time of the creation of the ammunition, programming technologies were an order of magnitude more expensive and therefore the cost was an order of magnitude higher. When testing a grenade launcher in Afghanistan, a shot cost $ 1000. And you can use your link ... for other purposes.

                        How cute. We pass on rudeness? laughing

                        And where is the link to the cost of a shot in Afghanistan? Fantasies must be confirmed.

                        Quote: yushch
                        And the storyteller about the service in the IDF reserve, which by age does not fall at all under the service in the reserve, would have been silent about the lie.

                        And how old am I, mr.
                        And where did I send you to Google? wink

                        By the way, you as an expert, do not tell me how old you can serve in the AOI reserve? bully
    2. yushch
      yushch 29 February 2016 23: 08 New
      0
      Quote: atalef
      Quote: cniza
      Patriotism is good, but a sober look will not hurt.

      Well, the thing is really cool.


      This "really cool thing" did not go into production and was not put into service because of which everyone is modestly silent. And this reason lies in the prohibitive cost of ammunition, which at the time of testing was, I'm afraid to be mistaken, about $ 5000 apiece. But apparently the arms lords of all America do not wash, so they pushed themselves another gold order by rolling. good
  2. Svateev
    Svateev 29 February 2016 14: 23 New
    19
    Quote: cniza
    a sober look will not hurt

    I will add "sobriety".
    The weak point of the KhM25 is the low power of the ammunition (due to the small caliber): the radius of destruction is only 6m (six meters). For comparison, the radius of destruction by offensive hand grenades RG-42 and RGD-5 is 25 meters. At the school we threw RG-42 while standing, only tilted our heads so that the splinter would not hit the eye. From the firing line, I brought a splinter from my grenade, caught on the PSh leg. I didn’t even feel the splinter hit, and I suffered only when I was removing the splinter from my trouser leg — I cut myself, as it is practically a Neva blade, very crumpled.
    Fragments of XM25 are dangerous only for unprotected body surfaces - face, eyes, hands. In Afghanistan, where the Taliban are dressed in civilian clothes, the result of using the HM25 is as follows: "As a rule, one or two shots from the HM25 are enough and the enemy retreats, taking away the Wounded." And from our equipment "Ratnik" even the uniform itself, without body armor, will protect against XM25 fragments, as it is specially designed for such fragments. In addition, it is very beneficial for health to have a laser warning device. After all, the XM25 shooter, like the shooter of any sight with a laser rangefinder, is forced to first measure the range to the target. At this moment, the target, which has a radiation detector, receives a signal that it is being aimed at. And the target has 1,5-2 seconds to take cover: while the XM25 shooter takes aim with the newly formed aiming mark for the actual shot, then he releases the descent and plus the grenade's flight time. Plenty of time to get grouped with your face and hands protected. The main thing is to have this squeaky box - an irradiation signaling device, so that the explosion of a grenade is not taken by surprise.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 February 2016 14: 49 New
      +1
      Well, you compared a grenade launcher with a hand grenade - by the way, in enclosed spaces XM25, weapons are what you need.
  3. Ivan_ich
    Ivan_ich 29 February 2016 20: 42 New
    +1
    Vesch is good. Despite the minuses, weak ammunition and sophisticated electronic stuffing has pluses. For example, a distance of over 500m for a hand-held grenade launcher is simply fantastic. Again, you can’t run into electronic warfare everywhere. I think our specialists would hardly refuse to have such in their arsenal, and even domestic production ...
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  • DIVAN SOLDIER
    DIVAN SOLDIER 29 February 2016 13: 31 New
    +2
    The main thing is that they would not be handed over to the Baltic states, otherwise the Khan!
    1. Michael67
      Michael67 29 February 2016 13: 37 New
      14
      Useful crap. The main thing is to bring it as a raptor, about a hundred years. And then it turns out that he is at minus 10 wedges and glitches. And so nothing ...
      1. Kite
        Kite 29 February 2016 17: 47 New
        +3
        Quote: Michael67
        The main thing is to bring it as a raptor, about a hundred years.

        - so that later they find out that 25 mm is very small (weak), for a long time they try to make wearable, but with twice the caliber, and in the end they would find out that the enemy’s electronic warfare can blow up a shell right at the edge of the barrel (the grenade is programmable, the program is activated before the moment of the shot).
    2. Samen
      Samen 29 February 2016 13: 40 New
      +7
      Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
      The main thing is that they would not be handed over to the Baltic states,

      IMPORTANT: that the battery would not run out! )))))
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 29 February 2016 16: 27 New
        0
        A smart shooter will measure the distance to the target by aiming the laser rangefinder not at the target, but right next to it so that the irradiation sensor does not work. And it is rather necessary to compare the TTX XM-25 with an approximate analogue -RG-6.
  • gjv
    gjv 29 February 2016 13: 41 New
    +5
    Quote: Pravdarm
    Programmable Zombies will receive programmable grenade launchers!

    XM25 ?! And they wanted the ZF-1 Gun LOL! bully

    Quote: vitaliy.rnd
    Are they not afraid that "Russian hackers" will reprogram these grenade launchers? ))))
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  • Now we are free
    Now we are free 29 February 2016 13: 49 New
    12
    It may be a good thing, BUT how many times have I had a chance to review these beautiful "Glossy" weapons in the series of broadcasts of the American video magazine "Weapons of the Future" and ... launched into mass production. I repeat, the grenade launcher itself is good especially for suppressing enemy personnel, especially in the city / mountains BUT whether the US Marines will be armed with it / how many copies will be in service / the price of this type of weapon will not be small / maintenance in the field of such high-precision equipment (no comment).
    And yes ... The "Ratnik" protection kit for Russian servicemen already provides for protection of almost the entire body from splinters of 40/30/25 mm class grenades.
    The analogue of Russian weapons is rather not even the RG-6 and GM-94 but the "Balkan" (even if it is considered an easel, it can be easily carried by one person along with the machine) and is heavier than BUT in the conditions of Battle / War has much more chances to remain in working condition, has more ammunition, greater power of 40mm ammunition (caseless), longer firing range.
  • vkl-47
    vkl-47 29 February 2016 14: 33 New
    +1
    Already since 90, the loot has been pulled onto this device. And what about reliability - sandy winds or heavy rains. Low temperatures in high mountains. This is a big question. How would this miracle grenade launcher not turn out to be “indoor” from which it is necessary to shoot exclusively at sunny calm weather lying on the lawn
  • karpah
    karpah 29 February 2016 21: 57 New
    0
    Trivia, a matter of everyday life ... a child prodigy and cut the dough. The Russian grenade launcher is 10 times better, because from the taiga to the British seas, the Russian army is all the stronger .... cheers, cheers, cheers !!!!
    1. yushch
      yushch 29 February 2016 23: 11 New
      0
      S. Lavrov with people like you gave an exact definition, do not diminish not add.
    2. co-creator
      co-creator 1 March 2016 17: 07 New
      0
      And what didn’t you cut? laughing
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  • AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 29 February 2016 13: 29 New
    +1
    all is better for the most tender Hollywood army
  • cniza
    cniza 29 February 2016 13: 29 New
    +8
    A serious unit, according to their specialists.
  • Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 29 February 2016 13: 30 New
    +9
    Actually a good machine to help the infantry. ours needs to take a closer look so as not to lag behind in this branch of armaments.
    1. Maxom75
      Maxom75 29 February 2016 14: 10 New
      +1
      Shot cost? Will it cost a lot?
  • doom25
    doom25 29 February 2016 13: 30 New
    -7
    In combat, it's a useless toy.
    1. Havoc
      Havoc 29 February 2016 14: 27 New
      0
      And what are you minusing, we didn’t go into the series with a machine with a fire translator, standing - lying down, and then there are four modes, an interface for detonating a grenade, I would look at you as you press buttons under fire.
      There is no and cannot be a universal weapon, or it will always lose to samples specially sharpened for a specific task.
  • ydjin
    ydjin 29 February 2016 13: 31 New
    +5
    An interesting little thing, I think it would be nice for our weapons designers to take a closer look at such developments!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 February 2016 13: 38 New
      +8
      There is nothing to look closely at. Dead end branch. Expensive ammunition with low power at the target.

      That's about a 40-mm AG with ammunition with remote detonation, yes there, the thing is interesting. And this is another prodigy that does not have a special future.
      1. Mama_Cholli
        Mama_Cholli 29 February 2016 13: 48 New
        +8
        You tell the fighters of special forces, especially when the foot group is walking (it’s walking fast, and does not crawl with the last effort, dragging a box of 40mm grenades and a child prodigy, 40-50 kilograms, capable of throwing them 150-200 meters) and for example meets on its way a house with a machine gun, which must be cast and brought down from 200 meters.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 February 2016 14: 08 New
          +2
          In the house with a machine gun RGSh-2 can not be used?
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 29 February 2016 14: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Mama_Cholli
          You tell the fighters of special forces, especially when the foot group is walking (it’s walking fast, and does not crawl with the last effort, dragging a box of 40mm grenades and a child prodigy, 40-50 kilograms, capable of throwing them 150-200 meters) and for example meets on its way a house with a machine gun, which must be cast and brought down from 200 meters.

          House with a machine gun? Our choice is TBG-7V. Or a variation on the theme of RPO. smile
          And not a grenade weighing 270 grams.
          1. Mama_Cholli
            Mama_Cholli 29 February 2016 14: 37 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Quote: Mama_Cholli
            You tell the fighters of special forces, especially when the foot group is walking (it’s walking fast, and does not crawl with the last effort, dragging a box of 40mm grenades and a child prodigy, 40-50 kilograms, capable of throwing them 150-200 meters) and for example meets on its way a house with a machine gun, which must be cast and brought down from 200 meters.

            House with a machine gun? Our choice is TBG-7V. Or a variation on the theme of RPO. smile
            And not a grenade weighing 270 grams.

            If I hadn’t served, I probably agreed with you. Indeed, the weight of explosives in RPGs is much more, but ... You did not carefully read what I wrote. How many shots to a grenade launcher could you bring along the intersection in the throw march mode? And here we have a bullet-6-7 kg + a lot of small fragmentation ammunition that one soldier can carry. It is not necessary to crush the walls with howitzers, if you can put ammunition the size of a cigar out the window, hear a loud clap (compared to breaking an RPG) and when entering the house make sure that the machine gun calculation can no longer be taken into account. The issue of efficiency is not always assessed by explosive tones and caliber the size of a zhpu elephant.

            The fact that the Germans appeared panzerfausts, the weight of which allowed them to be controlled even by children (unlike the same anti-tank rifles) was quite unpleasant for our tankers and tankers of the Allies.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 February 2016 14: 50 New
              +4
              Quote: Mama_Cholli
              It is not necessary to tear down the walls with howitzers, if you can put ammunition the size of a cigar out the window, hear a quiet (compared to rupture of an RPG) clap and enter the house

              get a bullet in the forehead. For suddenly, almost any army in the world seeks to protect personnel from fragments.

              So shta, I'm afraid it won't be one tiny ammunition, but a dozen. Which will weigh 2.7 kg. Almost as much as an RPG shot weighs. The fragmentation "pencil" for the RPG-V weighs 2 kg. Like 8 of these misunderstandings. With an immeasurably great power of action with a goal.
              1. Mama_Cholli
                Mama_Cholli 29 February 2016 15: 04 New
                0
                Well, albeit so, but you must agree that it is better to have 1 fighter in the unit capable of shooting at one window 5-6 times and so on 30 other windows than to have a bunch of disposable RPGs that everyone will have to carry at once and not the fact that this will not interfere with the execution tasks.
                I would even shoot 5-6 once in one window, just so that there would not be a single shot at my platoon.
                1. Svateev
                  Svateev 29 February 2016 15: 21 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Mama_Cholli
                  I would even shoot 5-6 once in one window, just so that there would not be a single shot at my platoon.

                  Yes, even a hundred shots. THESE L / S FLAPPERS IN "WARRIOR" DO NOT HIT EVEN WITHOUT ARMORED VEST.
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 29 February 2016 15: 29 New
                  +1
                  Anyway, this is a really stupid thing. Especially if you fight against a normal army. Well, it will scratch, unpleasant. There may even be a slight injury. And "Pencil" muffles on dull. Moreover, the RGSH.
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            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 29 February 2016 15: 27 New
              +1
              Quote: Mama_Cholli
              How many shots to a grenade launcher could you bring along the intersection in the throw march mode? And here we have a bullet-6-7 kg + a lot of small fragmentation ammunition that one soldier can carry.

              The problem is that the RPG group always carries - as an anti-tank weapon. And the question is:
              - do we add TBG to this kit,
              - or we restrict ourselves to "godfather" and "pencils" + we take a separate bullet for 270-gram fragmentation grenades.
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              2. Mama_Cholli
                Mama_Cholli 29 February 2016 15: 37 New
                0
                I agree that you can’t do without RPGs, heavy equipment, at home, etc. I'm not talking about a replacement. A shooter with such a grenade launcher (as in the article) is a combat unit capable of independently working on infantry and therefore it does not need automatic weapons (except of course the same pistol). Charges for a grenade launcher 20-30 pcs. you will not take with you, and such a fighter unloading and 15-20 kg. under these bolts you can safely carry. If there are 100 of these charges, then this is only + to the firepower of the group. The grenade launcher will not completely replace, but agree 100-150 explosive, which can be put into the enemy with great accuracy in the group will not hurt.
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        3. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 February 2016 14: 26 New
          +5
          South Africans have a Milkor SuperSix MRGL grenade launcher. Caliber 40 mm. Weight is one kilogram more, 6.5, but the firing range is up to 800 meters (XM25 has 500 meters)

          Chinese 40 mm NORINCO LG6 weighs 4.8 kg (not 40-50)
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 February 2016 15: 03 New
            +3
            That’s just such a grenade launcher - an analogue of MILKOR, and our troops lack it.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 February 2016 15: 05 New
              +1
              Heavy though.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 29 February 2016 16: 42 New
                +2
                Still easier than carrying the AGS with you.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 29 February 2016 18: 49 New
                  0
                  The Chinese managed to make it easier. True, at the cost of complication.
                  You can reduce the number of mortars in the drum. And easier, and more compact. Three pieces.
            2. Havoc
              Havoc 29 February 2016 17: 02 New
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237
              That’s just such a grenade launcher - an analogue of MILKOR, and our troops lack it.


              Yes there is such a WP 6
          2. tchoni
            tchoni 29 February 2016 16: 02 New
            +2
            Do not confuse cold with soft. The firing range of these grenade launchers is given as a hinged range. Americans claim a direct-shot range, with a relatively flat trajectory. If you want, the Americans made an intelligent and slightly lightweight (manual) analogue of the Petaks s-18.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 February 2016 16: 28 New
              +1
              No, you are confusing something. In both cases, we are talking about effective firing range.
              1. tchoni
                tchoni 29 February 2016 17: 04 New
                +1
                Effective shooting for what?
                On the window opening 80 to 80 cm? or in a circle 10 m in diameter, characterizing the accumulation of enemy infantry.
                You do not confuse. Purpose and tasks
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 29 February 2016 18: 45 New
                  +2
                  Quote: tchoni
                  Effective shooting for what?

                  On purpose.

                  And don't be confused about it. And then I can remember about your "direct shot range". Do you even know what it is? And what "direct shot range" can a weapon have if it hits the target with a non-direct hit by default?
                  And the "mounted range" is generally something with something.
                  1. tchoni
                    tchoni 29 February 2016 21: 55 New
                    -1
                    A direct shot is a shot in which the trajectory of the projectile does not go beyond the size of the target. In the case of a grenade launcher, this is somewhat incorrect to talk about - I agree. BUT, if a forty-millimeter revolver from South Africa has an initial grenade flight speed of about 100 m / s, then when shooting at 400 meters we get 4 seconds of flight ideally, and since the grenade flies in the earth’s gravity field, then in 4 seconds it will fall by 80 meters. those. The highest point of the trajectory will be 40 meters above the level of the straight arrow-target line. The angle at which the grenade will be released will be about 20 degrees. What effective shooting at the windows are we talking about ?.
                    in the case of xm25, the flight speed is 200 m / s. flight time at 400 m - 2 s. The fall during this time will be 20 m. Therefore, the highest point of the trajectory is "only" 10 meters above the target. The angle of inclination of the trunk is about 5 degrees. when shooting at 100 meters at a target a meter high from an American, the shot will be direct. and from a South African - like from an American 400 meters. That's about this I am telling you.
        4. Havoc
          Havoc 29 February 2016 14: 32 New
          +3
          You tell the fighters of special forces, especially when the foot group is walking (it’s walking fast, and does not crawl with the last effort, dragging a box of 40mm grenades and a child prodigy, 40-50 kilograms, capable of throwing them 150-200 meters) and for example meets on its way a house with a machine gun, which must be cast and brought down from 200 meters. [/ quote]

          Dear on this, there are disposable grenade launchers, where you saw that you would take an easel grenade launcher in search.
          1. Mama_Cholli
            Mama_Cholli 29 February 2016 14: 40 New
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            It’s hard to argue with people who haven’t run a couple kilometers away.
            This machine is not designed to destroy equipment, although a couple of three shots in a jeep or truck will lead to certain consequences for those who move in them. Understand that the infantry should not toss the ICBMs and destroy the continents, but should hit the manpower in the houses, trenches, etc.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 February 2016 14: 54 New
              0
              How interesting ... Fully laid out? Did you run? If I hadn’t served, I would have believed ...
              1. Mama_Cholli
                Mama_Cholli 29 February 2016 15: 12 New
                -2
                Interesting? I’ve been running, it’s long been true, you probably were still at school then. But that's not the point.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 29 February 2016 15: 34 New
                  +2
                  The thing is that the full calculation is in the sphere of interests of tactics. And there is no need to run. Moreover, running leads to non-compliance with the standard. You have to go there.

                  The running takes place in the department of physical fitness. The local standard for the march is carried out with a personal weapon, a bayonet knife, a pouch with magazines and a gas mask in the bag. Accordingly, not a "complete calculation" for sure.
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      3. tchoni
        tchoni 29 February 2016 15: 54 New
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        why with little power? The weight is almost like that of VOG-17. And there is nothing particularly expensive there, especially for the US military budget. Plus, the price is a guarantee of the absence of such toys from a potential opponent.
        The caliber and weight, as I understand it, come from the requirement to ensure the trajectory is persistent, provided that it is fired from hands.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 February 2016 16: 10 New
          +1
          Sorry, but 270 grams is the weight of a shot, not a grenade. Together with a rather big powder charge and a sleeve. And also with a clearly not weightless remote fuse with a time input device for detonating and a power source.
          1. Mama_Cholli
            Mama_Cholli 29 February 2016 17: 14 New
            -1
            Quote: Spade
            Sorry, but 270 grams is the weight of a shot, not a grenade. Together with a rather big powder charge and a sleeve. And also with a clearly not weightless remote fuse with a time input device for detonating and a power source.

            My comment is below. (It so happened) Everything is said there. I realized that you can not convince. Sorry for your time.
          2. Mama_Cholli
            Mama_Cholli 29 February 2016 17: 14 New
            -1
            Quote: Spade
            Sorry, but 270 grams is the weight of a shot, not a grenade. Together with a rather big powder charge and a sleeve. And also with a clearly not weightless remote fuse with a time input device for detonating and a power source.

            My comment is below. (It so happened) Everything is said there. I realized that you can not convince. Sorry for your time.
          3. tchoni
            tchoni 29 February 2016 21: 00 New
            +1
            The article says "grenade weight." but, even if this is the weight of the shot, then the grenade accounts for no less than 200 grams, but, I think, a little more. Electronics are now miniaturized. And, it is not yet known what will weigh more: a contact or proximity fuse. As a result, it seems to me, the grenade has 20-30 grams, which is quite enough for drinking the enemy's manpower. moreover, the manufacturer indicates the affected area in a 6 meter radius. Do you know a lot of rooms in residential buildings with dimensions of at least 6x6?
    2. VP
      VP 29 February 2016 13: 44 New
      +6
      I think that the efficiency is not very high. 270 grams, along with a shell, expelling charge, with a fuse and a controller, a grenade is slightly heavier than a standard grenade launcher, but the explosive in it is most likely less.
      There are few fragments from 25 mm.
      Those. the affected area is small.
      Under smoke and dust cloud conditions, the laser rangefinder will not work.
      Those. restriction on use.
      But it should be worth it rather severely.
      This thing is good for some special operations.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 February 2016 14: 00 New
        +2
        Initially, everything was beautiful.

        Rifle complex XM-29 OICW automatic rifle 5.56mm + 20x85mm grenade launcher.

        The grenade launcher for ammunition is unified with the XM307 OCSW-20x85mm AG support tool, which, with a "light movement of the hand" (c), turned into a 12.7 machine gun in less than a minute.


        But everything went to the table. The "means of support" did not receive support from the military, the rifle complex was painfully heavy. As a result, there was a "cut" of this XM25 program with a strange caliber
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 29 February 2016 14: 25 New
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          Quote: Spade
          Initially, everything was beautiful.
          Rifle complex XM-29 OICW automatic rifle 5.56mm + 20x85mm grenade launcher.

          And before that, in the 60s, there was the SPIW program - an automatic rifle with arrow-shaped striking elements + grenade launcher. smile
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 February 2016 14: 34 New
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            The holy grail of gunsmiths 8)))
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 29 February 2016 15: 39 New
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              The holy grail of gunsmiths 8)))

              Rather, a hybrid of a sacred and cash cow. smile
              Army; Colt, why don’t you want to give us what we want? So we go to Heckler und Koch! They promised us all this with a 12-inch barrel, a rocket-propelled grenade launcher and a weight of 5 pounds!

              Infantry: Boys, I'm so glad that we are returning to 7.62 mm by 2010. Well, or at worst, to 6.8 mm, which shaving after WWII came up with ...

              X und K: I, weighs 25, as we negotiate. 25 kilograms, me. Three charge grenade launcher, like a gun without a sight.

              Army: In 1960, we launched the SPIW program. 40 years have passed and now you call it OICW. Any other achievements?

              X und K: Me, me! Tafay us more money!
              (c) Shooting some sacred cows
      2. tchoni
        tchoni 29 February 2016 21: 04 New
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        In the conditions of smoke and dust cloud, the human eye, coupled with an ordinary sight, does not work either.
        The radius of defeat by the manufacturer is indicated in 6 m. The cost of a grenade is from $ 22 to $ 55. Although it is a high-precision munition, it’s not much.
    3. Gray brother
      Gray brother 29 February 2016 13: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: ydjin
      An interesting little thing, I think it would be nice for our weapons designers to take a closer look at such developments!

      The grenade is too small, in my opinion. 25 mm is about nothing.
      You can certainly say that the weak ammunition is compensated for by accuracy - but how then is it, in fact, different from small arms with optics?
      About the cost of a shot, I generally keep quiet.
  • Alexez
    Alexez 29 February 2016 13: 32 New
    0
    Field tests XM-25 was held in Afghanistan, where he received the nickname "The Punisher".

    Very symbolic of the US Armed Forces
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 February 2016 13: 33 New
    +1
    Amer’s wunderwafes are getting steeper and cooler. Soon they will reach homing bullets. As soon as such a system manifests itself in a real battle, and not during sweeps?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 February 2016 13: 39 New
      0
      And there are bullets, and guided missiles to the grenade launcher with a semi-active laser seeker.
    2. SkiF_RnD
      SkiF_RnD 29 February 2016 13: 40 New
      0
      ... In what sense is "soon"?
  • inkass_98
    inkass_98 29 February 2016 13: 33 New
    +1
    This is a good thing, but the option of combining with a conventional rifle / machine gun would be preferable. The grenade launcher itself is too heavy, but the two barrels - the machine gun and the grenade launcher - carry with you is not very convenient.
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 29 February 2016 13: 39 New
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      That's why they make a grenade launcher, and not a grenade launcher, a share of an automatic machine weighing 5 liter jars of jam and a packet of cookies.
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  • OlegV
    OlegV 29 February 2016 13: 34 New
    +1
    I wonder who the Americans are going to fight off with these grenade launchers?

    nobody seems to be threatening them?

    and bullshit is all their grenade launchers-computers, as the Kalashnikov assault rifle showed, even in modern combat, the simpler the better and more reliable.
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 29 February 2016 13: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: OlegV
      as the Kalashnikov assault rifle showed, even in modern combat, the simpler the better and more reliable.

      And in your opinion, special forces on this principle and complete?
      Indeed, and why is this sophisticated weapon for the special forces? They are the pros! give them a "rifle" and they will break everyone else, or else with the optics, and give them a glushak ....
      Yes, do you think so? recourse
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 February 2016 15: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: OlegV
      I wonder who the Americans are going to fight off with these grenade launchers?

      nobody seems to be threatening them?

      From babaev with "Kalash" who settled in the "folds of the terrain".
      The problem is that you can't always drag a mortar or an ACS with you. Fire support is also not available everywhere. And the grenade launcher strikes at a range that is half the effective range of the Kalash. And here sits such a bogeyman or a group of babays with an AK behind a duval - and nothing can get their foreign group out of there.

      In essence, the KhM25 is a microsprays: a shot with a detonation over a target covered by natural or artificial shelters. The range is half a kilometer, that is, the arrow does not need to crawl close under the fire of the rifleman.

      But only if the duval did not have a bogeyman, but a fighter in the NIB kit, then there might not be enough 270-gram grenade.
  • DenZ
    DenZ 29 February 2016 13: 35 New
    +3
    Grenade launcher made of titanium and composite materials.
    Come from the titanium that we buy in the Sverdlovsk region.
  • edeligor
    edeligor 29 February 2016 13: 36 New
    +2
    How much does this product cost? Do not go to the grandmother as 10 AGS and a carriage of ammunition for them. As a weapon for specialists, it’s excellent, as for weapons in combat units, it’s about nothing ...
    1. Coconut Tima
      Coconut Tima 29 February 2016 13: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: edeligor
      How much does this product cost?

      Currently, the XM25 costs $ 35, with a hand-made shot costing about $ 1.
      In mass production, it is expected to reduce the cost of a grenade launcher to $ 25 thousand and a shot to $ 35 apiece
      1. spech
        spech 29 February 2016 13: 44 New
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        expected to reduce the cost of a grenade launcher to $ 25 thousand and a shot to $ 35 apiece

        The main word is "Expected", they have all projects expected in the sense of reducing the price, and then do it and redo it + to the price.
        1. kote119
          kote119 29 February 2016 14: 22 New
          +1
          do not count money in someone else's smile rmane
      2. edeligor
        edeligor 29 February 2016 14: 16 New
        +1
        Choi is not enough, it's like a song about "Falcon", a new theme in advertising for foreign equipment. But for anyone, working with the fighters, I made a conclusion for myself a long time ago, the simpler the technique, the better the combat readiness (I think this is an axiom for all major formations, the officers will understand me) This axiom does not work for professionals whom the state entrusts to conduct one-time, delicate actions.
  • Simon
    Simon 29 February 2016 13: 36 New
    0
    All American smart is defeated by Russian unpredictability and resourcefulness. recourse
  • drilled
    drilled 29 February 2016 13: 39 New
    +2
    Interesting. As a weapon development. Not more. Only the price of such a weapon will obviously be more than the point of releasing it for use by a soldier, the cost of which in battle is the price of a cartridge 7,62 * 53. Somewhere around 20 rubles.
    I'm sorry for the money for NightFors. In which case you still have to run with your native SVD and PSO.
  • vitaliy.rnd
    vitaliy.rnd 29 February 2016 13: 39 New
    +1
    Are they not afraid that "Russian hackers" will reprogram these grenade launchers? ))))
    1. vitaliy.rnd
      vitaliy.rnd 2 March 2016 03: 37 New
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      The minus signs were not confused by the quotation marks or brackets at the end. laughing
      Gentlemen, why are you so stupid? wink
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  • Riv
    Riv 29 February 2016 13: 41 New
    +4
    The couple lied to the author. You can’t shoot a grenade weighing 270 grams from such a scribble so that it flies away in half a kilometer. Forty grams - still wherever it went. A quarter kilo, yes five hundred ... The shot VOG17 has about the same characteristics, if my memory serves me right. But the AGS shoots from the machine. Try it with your hand - then the shooter will also fly off five meters.
  • Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 29 February 2016 13: 43 New
    +3
    Not comrades, the thought is good, I don’t know how in the woods behind the trees, but in the trenches, behind the rubble, in the houses, I have to show myself, a gap in the air gives more damaging elements (it bent) belay Thing is good. good
  • sir_obs
    sir_obs 29 February 2016 13: 43 New
    +1
    Well, that’s it, drivers for a grenade will not work and krandets, I’ll update the firmware
  • erased
    erased 29 February 2016 13: 46 New
    +1
    One or two of these platoon toys can easily be replaced by all grenades. And the Yankees wanted to replace them with lightweight machine guns. A little idea, good. And so practice will show.
    We have a niche of such toys occupies (if at all) GM-94. Only without frills with programming and other electronics.
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 29 February 2016 14: 12 New
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      Quote: erased
      We have a niche of such toys occupies (if at all) GM-94. Only without frills with programming and other electronics.
      lack of "bells and whistles" is replaced by the power of the warhead
    2. VP
      VP 29 February 2016 14: 16 New
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      Quote: erased
      One or two of these platoon toys will easily replace all grenades

      Based on what is written - I do not think that they will replace it.
      The weight is the same as that of VOG-25, but VOG has no complaints about flying for half a kilometer and there is no fancy fuse. Those. in VOG, the weight of explosives should be significantly larger. And due to the fact that VOG’s caliber is not 25, but 40, then the number of destructive fragments should be greater.
      A grenade launcher in a platoon may be not one or two.
      Again, with a grenade launcher, a fighter can shoot in any situation, the main thing is that the fuse is cocked without having to carry a separate unit for this.
      I don’t know, it seems to me that this is a device for a separate application.
      1. erased
        erased 29 February 2016 14: 25 New
        0
        These are their plans. The network has links to the article.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 February 2016 15: 05 New
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      And it costs GM 94 is not sickly - 400000 rubles apiece.
      1. Fat
        Fat 29 February 2016 22: 39 New
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        Quote: Vadim237
        And it costs GM 94 is not sickly - 400000 rubles apiece.

        I wonder where this data comes from? For a pump-action pukalku 5000 green is too much. Don't you confuse "Canary" or "Silence" with the product?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 March 2016 01: 11 New
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          From last year's exhibition "Interpolitech"
  • sa-zz
    sa-zz 29 February 2016 13: 47 New
    +2
    Grenade launcher made of titanium

    Do you drive titanium from Russia?
  • tchoni
    tchoni 29 February 2016 13: 48 New
    +2
    Another reason to adopt the "warrior"
  • ivan bogomolov
    ivan bogomolov 29 February 2016 13: 49 New
    +1
    A very interesting thing, I won’t be surprised if it was invented by our migrants. soldier
  • Engineer
    Engineer 29 February 2016 13: 54 New
    +2
    Good grenade launcher. Not for mass use, but for our special forces would be useful. And then the machine is new to the warrior, and grenades from the grenade launcher are still somersaulting in flight.
  • xam0
    xam0 29 February 2016 14: 10 New
    +6
    Judging by the numerous video clips of street fighting in Syria, this kind of device would be very useful for SAA fighters. And then the Shobla of the barmaley is around the corner of the house, in turns popping up and pouring in white light, like a penny, and one good grenade near such an angle would be enough for everyone. I hope our specialists use the experience of such battles and give our army something similar, only reliable and effective.
    1. VP
      VP 29 February 2016 14: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: xam0
      and one good grenade near such an angle

      The problem is that just here you don't have to talk about a "good grenade".
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  • HARDDEN_KMV
    HARDDEN_KMV 29 February 2016 14: 32 New
    -2

    and here

    Well, then they can rush or dig a trench ...
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 February 2016 15: 04 New
    +6
    After Iraq and Afghanistan, American Soldiers
    handing out questionnaires. Weapons list needed
    was distributed on a scale from the most useful and
    effective to the most useless and problematic.
    This grenade launcher was in the "top" of the most useful.
    Crawler spy robots got there too.
    1. tchoni
      tchoni 29 February 2016 15: 25 New
      +1
      No wonder. Having the opportunity to detonate a grenade where you need it is worth a lot. Whatever she detonated on a branch, but, say, flew into the depths of greenery.
      Well, about robots - generally keep quiet. Convenient weight.
    2. Svateev
      Svateev 29 February 2016 15: 36 New
      -1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      After Iraq and Afghanistan

      Right. Because there the enemy has absolutely no means of protection. But against the l / s in the "Ratnik" XM25 is ineffective.
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  • Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 29 February 2016 15: 37 New
    +2
    Cool thing, I shot it at KolOfDuti wassat
    It’s a pity that Landwarrior was completely unsuccessful, well, with a black sheep winked
  • Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 29 February 2016 15: 47 New
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    Quote: Spade
    The thing is that the full calculation is in the sphere of interests of tactics. And there is no need to run. Moreover, running leads to non-compliance with the standard. You have to go there.

    The running takes place in the department of physical fitness. The local standard for the march is carried out with a personal weapon, a bayonet knife, a pouch with magazines and a gas mask in the bag. Accordingly, not a "complete calculation" for sure.

    I don’t know, apparently we had such bad tactics in the frontier troops of the USSR, but every week for 6 km in full combat, in overcoats with boots, helmets, helmets, MSL, well, it happened on top of that in OZK with gas masks, then water from boots poured out.
    And it was necessary to run. Probably we were prepared for something very scary, but when I came from the army and put on my sneakers, I probably could be likened to that dude from the Amer’s film, who ran around pulling out his comrades in Vietnam in turn. )) The backpack was still not empty, and, as already said, the gas mask was by no means in the bag. We didn’t have any bronchiks in the USSR at the outposts and detachments in the USSR, we certainly didn’t have any, and of course we didn’t take the KPVT on the bed, it doesn’t belong to any full equipment, although it is carried by people.)))
    1. black
      black 29 February 2016 16: 32 New
      +2
      A long debate and all about nothing. When my group went into intelligence, they dragged a fly or a bumblebee, or everything in place. When they raided, they took RPGs. And I won’t take this child prodigy for money. Rifle ganged over. An RPG is like a hammer. Simple, reliable, trouble-free. And if someone sat in the window. There is a thermobaric grenade. Even if we get into the frame, the boys will feel bad. And if you plant a bumblebee, it’s very bad. The simpler the design, the more reliable the system.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 February 2016 16: 49 New
        +1
        Now the "Bur" grenade launcher is the lightest, most reliable and effective weapon of the grenade launchers.
      2. Professor
        Professor 29 February 2016 20: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: black
        When my group went into intelligence, they dragged a fly or a bumblebee, or everything in place. When they raided, they took RPGs.

        Bumblebee is normal. Even good. But ... unless you bother with the associated losses. The bourgeoisie now have a fashion for ammunition of low power. It can be used next to your own and next to civilians. This mod has not yet reached you.

        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 February 2016 21: 11 New
          0
          But isn’t Israel a bourgeoisie, do you have such complexes?
          1. Professor
            Professor 29 February 2016 21: 46 New
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            But isn’t Israel a bourgeoisie, do you have such complexes?

            Two photos above are just the Israeli complex. And one more thing:
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 February 2016 22: 28 New
              0
              Clearly, this is such a collimator sight on the barrel.
        2. Fat
          Fat 29 February 2016 22: 57 New
          0
          Quote: Professor
          This mod has not yet reached you.

          Present since the 1960s.
    2. Chisayna
      Chisayna 29 February 2016 17: 33 New
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      That’s 6km, every week a kindergarten. I remember s14 years old, I had to run 20-30km, every day in the taiga. September, October-run. November, December-skiing 30-40km. I ran 19 km for an argument. said enough.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 February 2016 19: 12 New
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        There was no arrhythmia after such races?
        1. Chisayna
          Chisayna 29 February 2016 20: 18 New
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          There was no arrhythmia. I learned to drink and smoke in the army.
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      3. Mama_Cholli
        Mama_Cholli 29 February 2016 21: 57 New
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        Well done athlete!
  • ovod84
    ovod84 29 February 2016 17: 28 New
    +2
    Such a thing would be for our special forces or elite units. against terrorists thing is good
  • Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 29 February 2016 17: 35 New
    0
    I am sure that weapons of this type will appear in the Russian army, despite all the prejudices.
    How many times in history were initially treated with skepticism about weapons, which later changed all military science.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 29 February 2016 17: 43 New
    +1
    And why not make weapons that can be programmed and, if necessary, block. For example, fell into the hands of terrorists, blocked and let them play war games ..
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 29 February 2016 21: 59 New
      0
      It would be nice. First of all, the states would need to block all weapons. Suddenly they click something wrong.