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Zircon rocket. Battle for hypersound

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The flights of “three-winged” aircraft were accompanied by fierce heating of the structure. The temperature of the edges of the air intakes and the leading edge of the wing reached 580-605 K, and the rest of the skin of 470-500 K. The consequences of this heating are evidenced by the fact that already at 370 K the organic glass used for glazing cabins softens and boils the fuel. With 400 K, the strength of duralumin decreases, with 500 K the chemical decomposition of the working fluid in the hydraulic system and the destruction of seals occur. At 800 K, titanium alloys lose their mechanical properties. At temperatures above 900 K, aluminum and magnesium melt, heat-resistant steel loses its properties.

The flights were conducted in the stratosphere at an altitude of 20 000 meters in very thin air. Achieving the 3M speed at lower altitudes was not possible: the plating temperature would have reached four-digit values.

Over the next half century, a number of measures have been proposed to combat the scorching fury of atmospheric heating. Beryllium alloys and new ablative materials, composites based on boron and carbon fibers, plasma spraying of refractory coatings ...

Zircon rocket. Battle for hypersound


Despite the successes achieved, the thermal barrier still remains a serious obstacle to a hypersound. The obstacle is obligatory, but not the only one.

Supersonic flight mode is extremely costly in terms of thrust and fuel consumption. And the level of complexity of this problem is rapidly increasing with decreasing flight altitude.

To date, none of the existing types of aircraft and cruise missiles could reach speed = 3М at sea level.

The record among manned aircraft became the MiG-23. Thanks to its relatively small size, variable sweep wing and powerful P-29-300 engine, he was able to develop 1700 km / h from the ground itself. More than anyone in the world!

Cruise missiles showed slightly better results, but also failed to take the “bar” at Mach 3.

Among the variety of anti-ship missile weapons Worldwide, only four anti-ship missiles can fly twice as fast as the speed of sound at sea level. Among them:

ZM80 “Mosquito” (4 starting mass tons, maximum speed at 14 kilometers altitude - 2,8М, at sea level - 2М).

ZM55 “Onyx” (starting weight 3 tons, max. speed at a height of 14 km - 2,6М).

ЗМ54 “Caliber”.

And finally, the Russian-Indian “BrahMos” (starting weight 3 tons, estimated speed at low altitude 2М).

Closest to the cherished 3M got the promising “Caliber”. Thanks to the multi-stage layout, its detachable warhead (which itself is the third stage) is capable of developing the 2,9М speed at the finish. However, not for long: the separation and acceleration of the warhead is made in the immediate vicinity of the target. On the march area ZM54 flies on the dialup.

It is worth noting that there is no information about the testing and development in practice of the ZM54 separation algorithm. Despite the common name, the ZM54 rocket has little in common with those “Calibers” that staged an unforgettable firework in the sky over the Caspian last fall (subsonic CD for strikes on land objects, ZM14 index).

It can be stated that a rocket developing a speed of> 2M at low altitude is literally only tomorrow.

You have already noticed that each of the three anti-ship missiles that are capable of developing 2M on the flight march (Mosquito, Onyx, Brahmos) is distinguished by exceptional weight and size characteristics. The length of 8-10 meters, the starting mass in 7-8 times the performance of subsonic CRP. At the same time, their combat units are relatively small, they account for about 8% of the launch vehicle’s mass. And the range at low altitude barely reaches 100 km.

The possibility of air-based these missiles is questionable. Due to the excessively long lengths, the Mosquito and Brahmos do not fit in the OHR, they require separate launchers on the decks of ships. As a result - the number of carriers of supersonic RCC can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

At this point it is worth referring to the title topic of this article.

ZM22 “Zircon” is a hypersonic sword of the Russian Navy. Myth or reality?

A rocket about which they talk so much, but no one even saw its outlines. What will this super-weapon look like? What are its features? And the main question: how realistic are the plans to create such an ASM at the modern technological level?

After reading the long introduction about the torment of the creators of supersonic aircrafts and the Kyrgyz Republic, many of the readers probably had doubts about the realism of the existence of the “Zircon”.

A fiery arrow flying at the border of supersonic and hypersound, capable of hitting sea targets at 500 distances and more than kilometers. Whose dimensions do not exceed the established limits when placed in the UCSC cells.


Universal ship shooting complex 3С14 - 8-charging under-deck vertical launcher for launching the entire range of Caliber family missiles. Max. the length of the transport and launch container with a rocket - 8,9 meter. Restriction on starting weight - up to three tons. It is planned that ten such modules (80 launch shafts) will form the basis of the strike weapons on the upgraded atomic Orlans.

A promising super-weapon or another unfulfilled promise? Doubts are in vain.

The appearance of a supersonic anti-ship missile capable of developing 4,5M speed in flight is the next logical step in the improvement of rocket weapons. It is curious that 30, which have similar missiles for years, have been in service with the world's leading fleets. One index is enough to understand what is at stake.

Anti-aircraft missile 48H6Е2 in the C-300FM “Fort” maritime anti-aircraft system

The length and diameter of the hull are standard for all missiles of the C-300 family.
Length = 7,5 m, diameter of a rocket with folded wings = 0,519 m. Starting mass 1,9 tons.

The warhead is a high-explosive fragmentation weighing 180 kg.

Estimated range of destruction VC - up to 200 km.

Speed ​​- up to 2100 m / s (SIX speeds of sound).


ZUR 48H6EX2 as part of the land complex C-300PMU2 “Favorite”


How justified is the comparison of anti-aircraft missiles with anti-ship missiles?

There are not so many conceptual differences. Anti-aircraft 48Н6Е2 and perspective “Zircon” are guided missiles with all the ensuing consequences.

Seafarers are well aware of the hidden capabilities of the shipboard SAMs. Half a century ago, during the first firing of anti-aircraft missiles, an obvious discovery was made: at the line of sight, the ZYRs would be the first to go. They have a smaller mass of warheads, but their reaction time is shorter compared to RCC by 5-10 times! This tactic was universally applied in “skirmishes” at sea. The Yankees damaged the “Standard” Iranian frigate (1988). Russian sailors with the help of “Wasps” dealt with Georgian boats.

The bottom line is that if conventional missiles with a non-contact fuse turned off can be used against ships, then why not create a special tool on its base for hitting surface targets?

The advantage will be a high speed of flight, at the turn of the hypersound. The main drawback is the high-altitude flight profile, which makes the missile vulnerable when the enemy’s air defenses break through.

What are the main design differences Zur and PKR?

Guidance system.

To detect targets beyond the horizon, anti-ship missiles require active radar seeker.

It is worth noting that anti-aircraft missiles with ARGSN have been used in the world for a long time. The first of them (the European “Aster”) was adopted over ten years ago. A similar rocket was created by the Americans (Standard-6). Domestic analogue are 9М96Е and Е2 - anti-aircraft missiles of the shipborne air defense system “Redut”.

At the same time, finding the 100-meter ship should be easier than aiming at an actively maneuvering object of point dimensions (aircraft or cruise ship).

Engine.

Most anti-aircraft missiles are equipped with a solid-propellant rocket engine, whose work time is limited to seconds. The 48H6EX2 rocket propulsion engine has a running time of only 12 s, after which the rocket flies by inertia, driven by aerodynamic control surfaces. As a rule, the range of the Zour flight along a quasi-ballistic trajectory, with a marching segment high in the stratosphere, does not exceed 200 kilometers (the most “long-range”), which is quite enough to carry out the tasks assigned to them.



The anti-ship weapon, on the contrary, is equipped with turbojet engines - for a long, for tens of minutes, flight in the dense layers of the atmosphere. With a much lower speed than is customary for anti-aircraft missiles.

The creators of the 4-flywheel “Zircon”, obviously, will have to abandon any turbojet and direct-flow engines, using a proven technique with a powder TTRD.

The task with increasing flight range is solved by a multi-stage layout. For example: the American Standard-3 interceptor missile has a range of 700 km, and the interception height is limited to a low earth orbit.

Standard-3 is a four-stage rocket (the Mk.72 starter, two sustainer stages and a detachable kinetic interceptor with its own engines for trajectory correction). After separation of the third stage, the speed of the combat unit reaches 10 Mach!

It is noteworthy that the Standard-3 is a relatively lightweight compact weapon, with a starting weight of ~ 1600 kg. The anti-missile system is placed in a standard DPS cell aboard any American destroyer.

The anti-missile does not have a warhead. The main and only striking element is its fourth stage (an infrared sensor, a computer and a set of engines), crashing at full speed into the enemy.

Returning to Zircon, the author does not see fundamental obstacles to an anti-aircraft missile, which has a lower speed and a flatter trajectory than the standard 3, after passing through the apogee can safely return to the dense layers of the atmosphere. After that, detect and attack the target, falling a star on the deck of the ship.

The development and creation of hypersonic anti-ship missiles based on existing anti-aircraft missiles is the most optimal solution in terms of minimizing technical risks and financial costs.

A) Shooting at moving naval targets at a distance over 500 km. Due to the high flight speed of the Zircon, its flight time will be reduced to 10-15 minutes. That will automatically solve the problem of data obsolescence.
Earlier, as now, RCCs are launched in the direction of probable target finding. By the time of arrival in the specified square, the target can already go beyond its limits, making it impossible to detect the GOS of the rocket.

B) From the previous paragraph it follows the possibility of effective firing at extremely long distances, which will make the rocket a “long arm” fleet. The ability to deliver operational strikes at a great range. The reaction time of such a system is ten times less than that of the wing of an aircraft carrier.

C) The attack from the zenith, along with the unexpectedly high speed of the rocket (after braking in dense layers of the atmosphere, it will be around 2М), will make most of the existing short-range defense systems (Kortiki, Goalkeepers, RIM-116) ineffective etc.)

At the same time, the negative points will be:

1. High altitude flight path. A second after the launch, the enemy will notice the launch of the rocket and begin to prepare for repelling the attack.

Speed ​​= 4,5M is not a panacea here. Characteristics of the domestic C-400 allow the interception of air targets flying at speeds up to 10M.

New American Zur "Standard-6" has a maximum height of defeat 30 km. Last year, with its help, the farthest interception of the EC in the naval stories (140 + kilometers). A powerful radar and computational capabilities of Ajis allow destroyers to hit targets in near-earth orbits.

The second problem is a weak warhead. Someone will say that at such speeds you can do without it. But it is not.


The Talos anti-aircraft missile without a warhead almost cut the target in half (exercise off the coast of California, 1968).


The main stage of Talos weighed one and a half tons (more than any of the existing missiles) and was equipped with a ramjet engine. When hitting the target, the unused supply of kerosene was detonated. Speed ​​at time of impact = 2M. The target was an escort destroyer of the time of WWII (1100 tons), whose dimensions corresponded to the modern MRK.

Talos’s entry into a cruiser or destroyer (5000 — 10000 tons), logically, could not lead to serious consequences. In maritime history, there are many cases where ships, having received numerous punctured holes from armor-piercing shells, remained in service. So, the American aircraft carrier “Kalinin Bay” in the battle of Fr. Samar was pierced through 12 times.

Anti-ship missile "Zircon" warhead needed. However, due to the need to ensure the speed of the 4,5M and limited mass and weight dimensions when placed in the CIP, the mass of the warhead will be no more than 200 kg (estimated based on examples of existing missiles).
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  1. engineer
    engineer 25 February 2016 07: 14
    16
    it is not necessary to heat the ship. the main thing is to inflict damage incompatible with the performance of a combat mission. and for this, not a big warhead is enough for a direct hit. so it’s quite promising.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 25 February 2016 07: 52
      +6
      Quote: engineer
      it is not necessary to heat the ship. the main thing is to inflict damage incompatible with the performance of a combat mission.

      The aircraft carrier seriously enough to damage the flight deck.
      1. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 25 February 2016 09: 59
        +5
        Better a lift. And the "island"
        1. Throw
          Throw 27 February 2016 20: 42
          0
          Author-

          1. Something mixed up - RCC from missiles do not need to, the latter is not ground for that, and the ranges are not the same.

          2. Something everyone slept through - the Chinese with 2000 are doing DF-21D, which is both anti-ship missiles, and flies for 2 thousand kilometers through the stratosphere in a quasi-ballistic manner with maneuvering.
          Last year, she was dragged to the parade and a beautiful video was taken off)


          And according to unverified) rumors, such developments are conducted not only by the Chinese ..
          1. Falcon
            Falcon 27 February 2016 23: 32
            +1
            Quote: Lance
            1. Something mixed up - RCC from missiles do not need to, the latter is not ground for that, and the ranges are not the same.


            In Soviet times, the C-300 was tested on ground targets, a more ballistic trajectory, over a range of 400 km ... It’s just that very.

            Quote: Lance
            2. Something everyone slept through - the Chinese with 2000 are doing DF-21D, which is both anti-ship missiles, and flies for 2 thousand kilometers through the stratosphere in a quasi-ballistic manner with maneuvering.


            And why is she so scary? In the stratosphere it is seen by any "redhead" Aegis as a clear sun.

            It is enough to have in a hundred kilometers, from the main group, one berk with Sm-3 or a barge "from under river sand" with THAAD.

            DF-21 is a very self-propelled rocket of course! Here are just solutions to combat it have long been invented. And somehow, Chinese engineering thought did not bother everyone very much ...

            The same caliber when implementing we from a satellite (well, let's dream) and with a supersonic warhead. At least it will be no less dangerous. And in terms of price and quality, it’s three times better ...
            1. Black Colonel
              Black Colonel 4 March 2016 09: 36
              +2
              In Soviet times, the S-300 was tested on ground targets, on a ballistic trajectory, at a range of 400 km
              That's right. At one time, the Turks proceeded with foam that Cyprus acquired the S-300, because these missiles could be used for ground targets.
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 25 February 2016 10: 16
        14
        The main thing for an aircraft carrier:
        1. Or damage the catapults - the impossibility of take-off.
        2. Either provide an explosion at the hangar level - direct damage to the aircraft.
        3. Or the complete failure of the elevators from the hangar to the flight deck. What will also make a very big Byak - the inability to lift the aircraft up.
        4. Or a complete failure of the aircraft finishers - the impossibility of landing shock aircraft after returning.
        It seems to me more difficult to deploy a fully flight deck to a state of impossibility of repair by the crew of a ship. Because it is big and made of thick metal. Which requires a much larger outfit of missiles in a salvo.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 25 February 2016 13: 03
          +5
          Quote: abrakadabre
          It seems to me more difficult to deploy a fully flight deck to a state of impossibility of repair by the crew of a ship.

          It is unlikely that airplanes during run and take-off will be able to taxi even relatively small holes in the deck. what
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 26 February 2016 08: 29
            +1
            To do this, you need to get exactly on the acceleration track. Moreover, in the presence of 3-4 catapults, along all 3-4 routes. Given the thickness of the deck a few cm steel, it is doubtful that the damage even from a very large warhead will be in the tens or hundreds of square meters. Small crew will be able to brew on their own. But to repair the pressure cylinders or the guide of the catapult is much more difficult. Also for the rest of the items I have listed.
            1. Black Colonel
              Black Colonel 4 March 2016 09: 40
              0
              "... get exactly on the acceleration track."
              This is too precise a job for a RCC. In my opinion, it is enough to disable the deck elevator, and this is a "less precise" target, and it is more vulnerable.
        2. ferdiperdozzz
          ferdiperdozzz 25 February 2016 20: 23
          0
          And if you just skew it, well, to bend over? I'm not a specialist, explain. It will be difficult to land on a skewed GDP plane, and it is not easy to take off.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 26 February 2016 08: 25
            +3
            Skews of the ship to certain limits (exhaustion of buoyancy) are corrected by counter-flooding of the compartments.
        3. Yarhann
          Yarhann 26 February 2016 00: 00
          0
          the aircraft carrier will be attacked by a group of carriers of these missiles - hits will be throughout the ship in different places, and considering that any aircraft carrier is a tanker from the runway, it is as if it is obvious that it will sink after a large-scale fire. On any aircraft carrier, a fire is a disaster - a lot of fuels and lubricants and a bunch of ammunition - it’s natural that there is a very cool fire extinguishing system, but as if with a massive blow, the airtightness and, most likely, local disruptions in the operation of different systems would be impossible, which would make it impossible to automatically suppress the fires — as a result, the fire would start spread well, and there it’s clear. Look at the statistics of fires on aircraft carriers and the damage caused by them, and this is not the case with an enemy attack.
          And the calculation that you were going to selectively cut down in a ship there is unrealistic most of the missiles will fall into the superstructure on the deck and near it, as well as into the zone in the waterline area if you put such a maneuver into the rocket or the slide maneuver will then attack the deck and punch down several decks.
      3. PKK
        PKK 26 February 2016 04: 56
        0
        Hit the rudder of an aircraft carrier and it loses its function.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 26 February 2016 08: 32
          0
          The steering wheels are hidden deep enough. The attack of the waterline is very good only if many compartments are turned along the hull so that the ship’s roll becomes critical for the use of the aircraft and complete counter-flooding for leveling is dangerous for buoyancy. And this is a lot of hits along the waterline.
        2. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 4 March 2016 10: 01
          0
          If the aircraft carrier is stationary, this does not mean that the aircraft will not take off from it, or land. Those. the aircraft carrier will perform functions in this case.
      4. YOUR
        YOUR 25 February 2019 06: 02
        0
        The range is only 300 km. At this range you still need to manage to fly up. Aircraft carriers do not go alone. On the aircraft carrier itself, at least 50 combat aircraft, plus security ships.
  2. qwert
    qwert 25 February 2016 07: 26
    +6
    "The length is 8-10 meters, the launch mass is 7-8 times higher than that of the subsonic anti-ship missiles. At the same time, their warheads are relatively small, they account for about 8% of the launch mass of the rocket."
    Do not forget that 2Max is 660m / s i.e. like a bullet from a Kalash or like a shell from a howitzer gun. In this case, the rocket at the end of the section has a mass of at least a ton. Here, even without explosives, the destruction will be the same as that of Harpoon with an explosion.
    Well, in vain the author did not mention the X-15 missile, which was adopted by the 1988 year. The missile is intended for use with aircraft, but the option was also worked out for the SCRC with an additional launch accelerator. If it were not for the 1992 coup of the year, I think the ship version would have been brought to the series.
    Engine: solid fuel, two-chamber RDTT-160
    Length: 4,78 m
    Case diameter: 455 mm
    Wingspan: 0,8 m (0,92 - X-15С)
    Starting weight: 1100 kg (1200 - X-15С)
    Maximum trajectory speed: 5 M
    Launch range: 50-280 km (50-150 - X-15С [1])
    Maximum flight altitude:
    along the aeroballistic trajectory - 40 km
    along a ballistic trajectory - 90 km
    Minimum launch height: 30 m
    Warhead: nuclear, up to 300 CT
    Weight of warhead - 150 kg
    1. Santa Fe
      25 February 2016 08: 10
      0
      X-xnumx has what about has
      Max. launch range 60 ... 150 km
      Warhead 150 kg
      Altitude flight path
      Starting mass, like the "Ax"

      And this without starting acceleratorusing all the advantages of starting from an airplane

      Games with hypersound do not end in good
      1. srelock
        srelock 25 February 2016 09: 21
        +6
        Oleg, I'm looking at you again on the field of "expert" pulled ... Spring is close or have they started paying extra? And what is not to your liking for this audience http://www.waronline.org?
        The creators of the 4-flywheel “Zircon”, obviously, will have to abandon any turbojet and direct-flow engines, using a proven technique with a powder TTRD.
        fool
      2. Mairos
        Mairos 25 February 2016 12: 58
        +2
        "Games with hypersound don't end well."
        Yes - yes .. The aircraft, heavier than air, also probably had no prospects in the eyes of strategists in the 19th century. )) But the tanks did not decide the outcome of the battles in the 1st World War. )))
        1. Santa Fe
          25 February 2016 23: 01
          0
          Quote: Mairos
          Aircraft heavier than air, too, probably had no prospects in the eyes of strategists in the 19 century

          Not a single successful attempt in the 19 century

          Until compact petrol ICEs appeared
  3. qwert
    qwert 25 February 2016 07: 27
    +5
    The X-15 missile exists in the following modifications:

    X-15 - basic version, nuclear warhead, inertial guidance system without correction;
    X-15P - designed to combat the radars of enemy air defense systems. High-explosive fragmentation warhead. The guidance correction system is passive, according to the radar beam from the target;
    X-15С - anti-ship missile. High-explosive warhead. The guidance correction system is active, radar. The maximum launch range depends on the size of the target and is 60-150 km.
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 25 February 2016 07: 59
    +2
    The possibility of air-based these missiles remains in question. Due to the length of the “Mosquito” and “Bramos”

    The development of the Brahmos aviation complex is underway, as far as I understand. It is intended for use on aircraft of the Su-27 / Su-30 family. So far, everything is not very rosy, but the process is going on, both parties involved in the project are interested in its implementation.
  5. Alceers
    Alceers 25 February 2016 08: 00
    13
    Kaptsov wrote a sane article and almost never mentioned his idefix !? I am amazed! Something died. But keep it up ...
    1. user
      user 25 February 2016 11: 03
      +2
      But keep it up ...


      Indeed, unbelievable, but I agree with the conclusions.

      Concerning

      the mass of the warhead will be no more than 200 kg (the estimate is given based on examples of existing missiles).


      I think in this case it is necessary to consider the use of explosives with great power, although this is not cheap.
  6. aiw
    aiw 25 February 2016 09: 26
    0
    The energy of a turbojet engine is radically worse than that of a ramjet, the problem is in fuel. It’s one thing to overwhelm an aircraft (how many grams of TNT do you need to bring down an airbus?), It’s another thing to damage a ship, albeit not armored ... So with a ramjet, the option is much more promising.

    But heating - what is heating? It is one thing to ensure a long flight in hypersound, another thing to launch a rocket, it does not fly for long. Get out of orbit descent vehicles are on dozens of M and nothing. It is clear that the mass of thermal protection will be significant, especially the ramjet.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 February 2016 11: 11
      0
      GTRD is much simpler in comparison with the scramjet, especially as an example - the 5Я27 rocket with the turbojet engine accelerating it to speed in the 15.5 Machs we made at the beginning of the 70, now its continuation is the 53Т6 gazelle is armed with the 135 missile defense system.
      1. Falcon
        Falcon 25 February 2016 21: 52
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        GTRD is much simpler in comparison with the scramjet, especially as an example - the 5Я27 rocket with the turbojet engine accelerating it to speed in the 15.5 Machs we made at the beginning of the 70, now its continuation is the 53Т6 gazelle is armed with the 135 missile defense system.


        TRD rockets Topol or Yars can develop around 21 Mach. Not in this case. It’s all in an airless space. In the atmosphere no one can develop such speed, there is no such thermal insulation. Nobody has come up with it yet. even close.

        While they cannot really provide thermal insulation in hypersound. Following the example of X-43 ...

        And I'm talking about hypersonic, and Zircon is a supersonic missile. Since the speed is stated in the region of 4,5M and this is not hypersonic, but supersonic. Hyper goes from 5m
    2. mav1971
      mav1971 25 February 2016 20: 02
      +2
      Quote: aiw
      Get out of orbit descent vehicles are on dozens of M and nothing. It is clear that the mass of thermal protection will be significant, especially the ramjet.


      What about the maneuver? and gos?
      Do not compare hypersonic blank dropping with guided hypersonic flight ...
      1. aiw
        aiw 25 February 2016 22: 56
        0
        Buran maneuvered quite well. With GOS, of course, much more complicated.
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 26 February 2016 08: 42
          0
          Quote: aiw
          Buran maneuvered quite well. With GOS, of course, much more complicated.


          Buran maneuvered in hypersound outside the atmosphere. Before entering the dense layers, braking occurred to avoid overheating.
          1. aiw
            aiw 26 February 2016 23: 15
            -1
            How do you imagine braking outside the atomosphere? Have you seen Buran’s thermal protection (such tiles)?
            1. Falcon
              Falcon 27 February 2016 08: 55
              0
              Quote: aiw
              How do you imagine braking outside the atomosphere?


              And how are missile warheads slowed down? And how was braking pershing? There is for example a system of orbital maneuvering liquid propellant rocket engines such ...

              Quote: aiw
              Have you seen Buran’s thermal protection (such tiles)?


              Yah. Did not know. I thought there was a duralumin in 1 mm thick as on that 154.
              Or heat protection from all sorrows, just like pill No. 13 in that joke ...
              1. aiw
                aiw 27 February 2016 09: 53
                0
                Warheads of missiles are decelerated in dense layers of the atmosphere, if there are some engines there, then not for braking but for targeting, in the case of MIRVs, as a rule, one orientation system for all warheads, the so-called. breeding system or "bus". Orbital maneuvering systems are not used for braking in the sense that you put into it.

                As the spacecraft descends from orbit, the LRE impulse drops the speed just below the first space one (the spacecraft would have just left the orbit), then the atmosphere does everything.

                Moreover, in the American lunar missions, the Apollos entered the atmosphere on the second space.

                > Oh well. Did not know.

                That's noticeable.
                1. Falcon
                  Falcon 29 February 2016 10: 18
                  0
                  Quote: aiw
                  Missile warheads are braked in dense layers of the atmosphere, and if there are any engines there, it’s not for braking but for aiming at a target,


                  Oh well. Take the trouble to see how at least pershing enters the atmosphere

                  at v = 7285 m / s the ship will receive a heat flux of 1 GW (!) per square meter of surface. The time of descent from the height of 35 to 20 km will be 13.2 seconds, during which time each square cm of surface will receive 1.3 MJ of heat. This is enough to melt and vaporize the tungsten casing with a thickness of 13 cm!

                  Quote: aiw
                  That's noticeable.


                  Look who's Talking lol
  7. maximghost
    maximghost 25 February 2016 09: 39
    +1
    Pretty good article, unlike articles on EPC.
  8. tchoni
    tchoni 25 February 2016 09: 44
    +1
    the main problem with "ultra-long" launches is preliminary reconnaissance of targets. and it cannot be solved with a rocket. You need an airplane, satellite or some kind of UAV ...
  9. podgornovea
    podgornovea 25 February 2016 10: 11
    +3
    And why is the temperature in Kelvin? What would there be more tsiferki or weakly convert to Celsius?
  10. DrVintorez
    DrVintorez 25 February 2016 10: 50
    +1
    Author, how many fingers do you have on your hand if the number of carriers of supersonic missiles fits on "the fingers of one hand"?
    1. DrVintorez
      DrVintorez 25 February 2016 12: 40
      +2
      Granite: 8 anteev, 1 eagle, 1 project 1143.5
      Mosquito: 7 projects 956, 1 project 1155.1, 2 projects 1239, 21 projects 1241 (2) 1
      Volcano: 3 projects 1164. Yes, some of the ships are under repair, but somehow there aren’t enough fingers at all!
      1. Santa Fe
        25 February 2016 23: 06
        0
        Quote: DrVintorez
        Yes, some of the ships are under repair, but somehow there aren’t enough fingers at all!

        From the strength of fifty units, taking into account boats and standing in reserve ships

        Take a look at how many media are placed. and at the same time ammunition carrier
        1. DrVintorez
          DrVintorez 26 February 2016 18: 41
          +2
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          From the power of fifty units

          fifty finger units on the hand is an order of magnitude more than it should be.
          it seems that both 300 and 500 units would not be enough. I want to note to the author that such a disregard for numbers (an ORDER error !!!) is not even bad manners, it's just a shame, especially if you try to write "analytical" articles. okay once, but it's the same in every article. then granites on the 1143 project, then 5-50 carriers, then indistinct lists, where the ship is sometimes counted, then not counted.
          1. Santa Fe
            26 February 2016 22: 06
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            Quote: DrVintorez
            one gets the feeling that both 300 and 500 units would be few.

            of course not enough

            Exoset / Harpoon / Yinji / Type90 / NSM / LRASM can be run with tens of thousands carriers around the world. The same Exoset is in service with 30 countries
            Quote: DrVintorez
            error on the ORDER !!!

            Error - comparison without taking into account technical characteristics and tech. media conditions
            How many ships can a volley of mosquito granite in reality? And after what time will they be able to repeat?

            And then the same as you will prove how "three-fly missiles" will pierce any ship. although in fact the missiles are not three-flight, and the cat cried too
            1. DrVintorez
              DrVintorez 1 March 2016 12: 12
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              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              And then the same as you will prove how "three-fly missiles" will pierce any ship. although in fact the missiles are not three-flight, and the cat cried too

              I don’t remember something proving about the penetration of any ship by a three-missile missile.
              since the author refers to figures with striking nonchalance, his opuses fully comply with the principles of the demagogue: we’ll talk more and more beautifully, maybe it’s a ride. I recommend somehow getting a salary with an error of one zero, in any case (plus or minus) the effect will be furious.

              a backfill question: for what purposes should their missile defense systems be fired and for which - nuclear submarines.
  11. Alex_59
    Alex_59 25 February 2016 12: 37
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    The creators of the 4-flywheel “Zircon”, obviously, will have to abandon any turbojet and direct-flow engines, using a proven technique with a powder TTRD.
    This is why it will have to abandon the ramjet? Back in the 80s, an experimental GELA rocket from the Raduga ICB flew from 4,5 M (exactly) to 6 M (presumably) on a sustainer scramjet engine. I'm not even talking about the KRUG air defense missile system, which flew 3 M with a ramjet engine and is dense old stuff. The Americans on the X-43 achieved stable operation of the scramjet at a speed of 9 M and, within the framework of the X-30 project, theoretically determined the limit of the stable operation of the scramjet at 17 M.
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 25 February 2016 20: 05
      0
      Quote: Alex_59
      This is why it will have to abandon the ramjet? Back in the 80s, an experimental GELA rocket from the Raduga ICB flew from 4,5 M (exactly) to 6 M (presumably) on a sustainer scramjet engine. I'm not even talking about the KRUG air defense missile system, which flew 3 M with a ramjet engine and is dense old stuff. The Americans on the X-43 achieved stable operation of the scramjet at a speed of 9 M and, within the framework of the X-30 project, theoretically determined the limit of the stable operation of the scramjet at 17 M.


      You are apparently reading through the lines.
      Refusal of ramjet ramp is only due to the required standard sizes for installations in UVP!
      All other characteristics of the engines go "into the furnace" due to their size.
    2. Santa Fe
      25 February 2016 23: 18
      +1
      Quote: Alex_59
      the experimental GELA rocket from the "Raduga" ICB flew from 4,5 M (exactly) to 6 M (presumably) on a sustainer scramjet engine.

      GELA weighed 15 tons, because it goes to the furnace

      The task of our time is to place a hypersonic missile in UVP
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 26 February 2016 11: 07
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        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        GELA weighed 15 tons, because it goes to the furnace

        The task of our time is to place a hypersonic missile in UVP


        And how much does zircon weigh? And do you represent UVP only as UKKS? At Kuznetsov and Peter the Great, the RCC also stood in the UVP, with no problems at all. What will eventually be done on 1144 can only be wondered.
        1. opus
          opus 26 February 2016 22: 07
          +1
          Quote: Alex_59
          And do you represent UVP only as UKKS? At Kuznetsov and Peter the Great, the RCC also stood in the UVP, with no problems at all. What there will eventually be done at 1144 can only guess.


          UVPU 3S-14-22350



          partially here:


        2. Santa Fe
          26 February 2016 22: 11
          0
          Quote: Alex_59
          And how much does zircon weigh?

          3-4 tons MAXIMUM
          Quote: Alex_59
          And do you represent UVP only as UKKS?

          You propose to create another
          and install on other types of ships under construction - from MRK to TARKRA
          Quote: Alex_59
          Peter the Great, the RCC also stood in the UVP,

          essentially they were oblique, not UVP
          under the only type of b / p
          Quote: Alex_59
          What will eventually be done on 1144 can only be wondered.

          if they want 80 UKKS, other PUs will not fit
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 26 February 2016 23: 11
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            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            You propose to create another

            Yes. Why not?
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            and install on other types of ships under construction - from MRK to TARKRA
            From the boat of Peter the Great, take it. Why should I attribute what I did not say? Only bet on ships of 1 rank. What's the problem? Again about mass, etc. It is in your dreams. But in real life everything is strictly ranked. Harpoons and exosets are not designed to destroy ships of the frigate class and above. (Don't believe me? But this is the developer's opinion, not mine. An analogue of the Harpoon X-35 http://www.ktrv.ru/production/68/673/67/ - it is written in black and white that the anti-ship missile system is designed to destroy ships with VI up to 5000 tons! All your articles are in the style of "you can't kill my battleship with a harpoon." And your battleship will fit in 5000 in order to use the Harpoon on it? Come on, book a 5000 ton frigate from Harpoons, go ahead!) Zircons are not intended for the destruction of ships of a class cruiser or lower. And the population of weapons is proportional to the target population.
            Hard workers go to Zhiguli, oligarchs go to Maybach. Maybachs are few, but oligarchs are few too. Many Lada, duck and hard workers are not measured. Topol is not fired at by tanks, but Iskander at Washington.
            So what will Peter with Zircons aim at Aviki, piece goods - piece answer.
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            essentially they were oblique, not UVP

            Yes, do not care what they are there, inclined or not. The main thing was given out so that the hair on the back of American admirals moved.
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            under the only type of b / p

            Horrible. Well it happens, Che.
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            if they want 80 UKKS, other PUs will not fit
            What they want there and what happens only to Allah so far knows. Not us.
            1. Santa Fe
              26 February 2016 23: 57
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              Only bet on ships of 1 rank. What's the problem? Again about mass
              \
              And you know the answer

              1. how many ships of 1 rank with a separate UVP under Zircon will turn out.
              2. how much will the potential of the Navy increase the possibility of using Zircon by frigates and RTOs?
              3. it’s always more efficient to have one air-defense system and ammunition of various types of missiles - in any proportion
              4. Zircon with the required characteristics based on the technologies of missiles with turbojet engines should easily fit in the UKKS

              if so, what is the argument?
              Quote: Alex_59
              Harpoons and exosets are not designed to destroy ships of the frigate class and above.

              And then what is intended
              Quote: Alex_59
              Designed to destroy ships from VI to 5000 tons!

              What was the Atlantic Conveyor displacement?

              just don’t say that Conveyor’s survivability is higher than that of any Mistral or Cole destroyer
              1. Alex_59
                Alex_59 29 February 2016 08: 39
                +1
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                1. how many ships of 1 rank with a separate UVP under Zircon will turn out.

                Why a separate CIP for Zircon? Let's put 40N6 type missiles and Iskander type missiles into this UVP. And there will be few carriers. As always. But Russia doesn't care about that, we are a land power. wink
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                2. how much will the potential of the Navy increase the possibility of using Zircon by frigates and RTOs?
                Frgeates and RTOs will not use Zircon.
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                3. it’s always more efficient to have one air-defense system and ammunition of various types of missiles - in any proportion

                Exactly as long as the UVP does not become a brake on progress. In the Soviet Navy there was one extreme - for each SD its own PU. In the American Navy - the other extreme, one UVP for everything. As a result, today they have a clear need for a new UVP, but with the thought of re-equipping the 90 NK with a new system in the Senate, syncope begins. And so I want to stick on Burke not the helpless SM-3 but GBI or something like that. But no way ...
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                And then what is intended
                Bramos, Volcano, Granite, Caliber, Tomahawk and more. In general, missiles are divided into tactical, operational-tactical, operational, strategic. Harpoon, exoset is a tactical weapon. Mosquito, Bramos - operational-tactical, Granite, Caliber, Tomahawk, Basalt - operational. Tomahawk and Caliber can also be strategic. This is where the dance comes from. With a harpoon, you can of course hammer a destroyer, but in general it is not intended for this. Its use for this purpose was not planned by the creator. But the application is possible if there is nothing else at hand.
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                What was the Atlantic Conveyor displacement?
                Is he a warship? We follow the link again and read the letters: http://www.ktrv.ru/production/68/673/67/ designed to destroy missile, torpedo, artillery boats, surface displacement ships up to xnumx tons and sea ​​transports Your Atlantic is a maritime transport (civilian ship), and about combat SHIPS we are talking only about those whose VI is less than 5000.
                1. Santa Fe
                  9 March 2016 04: 13
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                  Quote: Alex_59
                  Frgeates and RTOs will not use Zircon.

                  Why did they decide to deny the right to modern missile weapons ??

                  don't you like frigates?
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  As a result, today they have a clear need for a new hydrocarbon

                  Admit that you composed it yourself
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  But use is possible if nothing else is at hand

                  NATO has nothing else
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  Is he a warship?

                  Do modern warships carry armor?

                  Then how will the effect of the warhead explosion differ from Conveyor? Cole destroyer as an example

                  read the link yourself, I don’t have to believe what is contrary to common sense
          2. Falcon
            Falcon 27 February 2016 09: 06
            +1
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            You propose to create another
            and install on other types of ships under construction - from MRK to TARKRA


            I suggest!
            And it's not even Cyclone. You need a USP capable of accepting 48n6 along with calbras and 4 pcs 9m96. Diameter TPK 1m.
            Well, either to cut the "wings" of the 48-ki for something average between the ZS-14 and the meter-high TPK.
    3. opus
      opus 26 February 2016 22: 25
      0
      Quote: Alex_59
      Back in the 80s, an experimental GELA rocket from the Raduga ICB flew from 4,5 M (exactly)

      GEL Air Launch
      launch height 7000 m, launch speed 800km / h

      long (3400 sec) march flight with speeds M = 2,3–4,5 at heights of 8 to 27 km.

      Quote: Alex_59
      up to 6 M (assumed)

      it is already

      Quote: Alex_59
      I'm not even talking about the KRUG air defense system

      abandoned due to angles of attack and stall

      Quote: Alex_59
      on the X-43 they achieved stable operation of the scramjet at a speed of 9 M and, within the framework of the X-30 project, theoretically determined the limit of the stable operation of the scramjet at 17 M.

      1.Not 9M, but 9,6M
      2.Not "stable" work, but only 10 seconds (speed record)
      RELEASE: 05-156
      Faster Than a Speeding Bullet: Guinness Recognizes NASA Scramjet



      3, On 17M imagine the combustion chamber path? 20 meters?
      This will obviously be "not enough"


      1. Santa Fe
        26 February 2016 23: 38
        +1
        How does he know all this?))

        / How to do it is knowledge, how not to do it is experience /
  12. Operator
    Operator 25 February 2016 13: 38
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    An 152-mm tactical nuclear charge with a power of 3 kt weighs about 40 kg and is the optimal warhead for a ballistic anti-ship missile based on the 40Н6 anti-aircraft missile, which is part of the S-500 air defense system.

    The launch weight of the rocket is 2 tons, the number of steps is two, the speed is 3 M, and the maximum range is 600 km.

    The missile defense ABM system is overcome by anti-aircraft warhead maneuvering after separation from the second missile stage.

    PS Finally, a rational article from Oleg Kaptsov. It is desirable to hear from the author something about the latest initiatives by Ashton Carter to revive projects of anti-submarine drones and "swarming" air drones in response to the deployment of cruise and ballistic anti-ship missiles in Russia and China.
    1. Falcon
      Falcon 25 February 2016 22: 01
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      Quote: Operator
      An 152-mm tactical nuclear charge with a power of 3 kt weighs about 40 kg and is the optimal warhead for a ballistic anti-ship missile based on the 40Н6 anti-aircraft missile, which is part of the S-500 air defense system.

      The launch weight of the rocket is 2 tons, the number of steps is two, the speed is 3 M, and the maximum range is 600 km.


      Such nonsense has been written. Or do you work in Almaz-antei? Then it’s time to put you down wink
      There is no information about the C-500, about its missiles, that it will use missiles from the C-400, about the range of weight and speed of the 40Н6 pace, about the number of stages, and even more about the range along the ballistic trajectory.

      Yes, and all nuclear charges removed from the PCR
      1. Operator
        Operator 26 February 2016 13: 01
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        The data on the 40Н6 rocket are taken from the C-500 article on militatyrussia.ru - links to information sources are given there.

        In order to evaluate the starting weight, speed, range and number of steps of 40Н6, it is enough to know the dimensions of the universal TPK launcher C-300 / С-400 / С-500.

        We are talking about a nuclear warhead ballistic missile (based on anti-aircraft), and not a cruise missile.

        Falcon: "All nuclear charges have been removed from the anti-ship missiles" (C) - but from this moment, please, in more detail - are you, for an hour, not working in the 12th Main Directorate of the RF Ministry of Defense? laughing
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 26 February 2016 15: 29
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          Quote: Operator
          In order to evaluate the starting weight, speed, range and number of steps of 40Н6, it is enough to know the dimensions of the universal TPK launcher C-300 / С-400 / С-500.


          And how do you know the size of the TPK to determine the speed, range and number of steps?

          And why should TPKs be identical with 9m96 and 9m82 / 83 somehow did not soar with the invention of new TPKs?

          There is still such a thing in this article.


          What is the weight for this TPK? ...
          1. opus
            opus 26 February 2016 22: 32
            0
            Quote: Falcon
            What is the weight for this TPK? ...

            stop a hundred ..




            47,2 / 2 -10% = about 20 tons
          2. Operator
            Operator 26 February 2016 23: 49
            0
            I gave an assessment of the characteristics of an over-the-horizon anti-ship ballistic missile based on the 40Н6 anti-aircraft missile and its TPK, unified for the line of anti-aircraft missiles, starting with the C-300.

            The speed of a homing missile is limited by the speed of the plasma cloud. For the operation of the radar seeker, the speed 1 ~ 1,5 km / s (3 ~ 4,5 M) is the limit.

            The illustration you have shown shows the 45X6 short-range missile launcher at a speed of 2 km / s (6 M). These missiles fly in a cloud of plasma and are directed from the earth within direct line of sight by a radio command method through a channel in a plasma formed by a freon jet.
            1. Falcon
              Falcon 27 February 2016 09: 09
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              Quote: Operator
              I gave an assessment of the characteristics of an over-the-horizon anti-ship ballistic missile based on the 40Н6 anti-aircraft missile and its TPK, unified for the line of anti-aircraft missiles, starting with the C-300.


              Starting with C-300 there are a bunch of different TPKs. For 48н6 for 9м82 for 9м96.

              9m82 develops speed in 2500 m / s
              1. Operator
                Operator 27 February 2016 13: 43
                0
                An anti-ship ballistic missile based on the 40Н6 with a starting weight of 2 tons, a diameter of 519 mm and a speed of 1 km / s will deliver 3-kt special warheads to a distance of 600 km with homing in the final section.

                An FNB based on 9M82 with a starting weight of 6 tons, diameter 1215 mm and speed 2,5 km / s can do the same, but only with radio command guidance from the carrier within the radio horizon, since the plasma cloud around the warhead will not allow missile homing.

                How do you imagine the radio command guidance of a FGP launched from a submarine? laughing
                1. Falcon
                  Falcon 27 February 2016 23: 24
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                  Quote: Operator
                  An FGP based on 9M82 with a starting weight of 6 tons, a diameter of 1215 mm and a speed of 2,5 km / s can do the same, but only with radio command guidance from the carrier within the radio horizon,


                  Why suddenly 9m82 has radio command guidance? At the final stage, it is induced by a semi-active head.

                  And how is the problem solved
                  Quote: Operator
                  the plasma cloud around the warhead will not allow missile homing.


                  Does it have a semi-active head?

                  Quote: Operator
                  519 mm diameter and 1 km / s


                  Where from? The speed 48н6 1900-2100 m / s, for greater range, in addition to the flight algorithm, the speed 40н6 should definitely be higher. Yes, and a promising modification of the 48n6 is planned with the AGSN from 9m96. And how to be with
                  Quote: Operator
                  the plasma cloud around the warhead will not allow missile homing.




                  Quote: Operator
                  How do you imagine the radio command guidance of a FGP launched from a submarine?


                  ? Where did I write this? It seems you imagine something. And here, in general, a submarine, radio command guidance, etc., etc. Talk on a completely different topic !!! What kind of demagoguery from empty to empty then ???
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  13. Taoist
    Taoist 25 February 2016 14: 47
    +2
    Something in the woods died ... honestly. belay

    But in fact the article. Everything is quite logical as it is ... by the way, the lack of warhead weight in this context is quite possible ... If the warhead at speeds of the order of 5M enters the deck, then most likely it will break through the ship if it does not send it close to that - and therefore undermine even 50 kg modern explosives are likely to cause a fatal contusion of the structure. Recall what happened to Roma (Fritz, of course, was larger - but the main thing was that he exploded in fact under the ship).

    By the way, I don't see any problems with "early detection" of targets ... It is not necessary to fly along a ballistic trajectory with a multi-stage design ... Nothing, in principle, prevents you from approaching the last 20-30 km at subsonic level below the radio horizon line with a swift throw of a hypersonic stage ...
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 25 February 2016 15: 19
      0
      where is 5M from the finish line? Even Iskander loses speed three times (from 2100 to 700m / s). Vigorous warheads - and they slow down in dense layers
    2. Santa Fe
      25 February 2016 23: 32
      0
      Quote: Taoist
      Recall what happened to Roma (Fritz of course was bigger - but the main thing is that it exploded in fact under the ship).

      Oh well what comparisons

      Fritz armor-piercing bomb, in itself, was a warhead weighing 1380 kg
      explosive content - 270 Kilo, it's FIVE times more than any Exocet or Harpoon !!

      Of the seven dropped Fritz in three attacks (5 hit the target), only 1 LK could be sunk
      Quote: Taoist
      Nothing, in principle, bothers going over the last 20-30 km at a speed lower than the radio horizon line to overcome the rapid cast of the hypersonic stage ...

      A) subsonic nullifies the whole concept of "long arm" and "quick strike"
      B) In principle, much interferes with the development of hypersound in the PMV
      Two-ton Caliber, in theory, develops 2,9M. What will be the starting mass at 5M?
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 26 February 2016 08: 54
        0
        in fairness: 5 hits, 1 LC sunk, 2 damaged + Cr. Ex. result!
        1. Santa Fe
          26 February 2016 11: 05
          0
          only seven cases of direct hit FX1400 are reliably known. Regarding Hs293, we can talk about 20-25 cases of direct hit and 10-15 cases of a close bomb explosion with serious consequences for the ship (the data we have, unfortunately, do not allow a more accurate calculation). Thus, the probability of a direct hit for FX1400 is equal to 6,5% of the total number used and 11,5% of the number released over the target; for Hs293 of order 6% and 9%, respectively.

          The success of German aviation in the fight against the fleet of the Western Allies depended to a large extent not only on the perfection of anti-ship weapons and methods of their use, but also on the strength of the air defense of the attacked targets. The latter, throughout the war, steadily increased. Therefore, in terms of effectiveness, the use of planning bombs at 1943 at the beginning of 1944 is comparable to the use of conventional bombs from horizontal flight in 1939 1941 and with dive bombing in 1941 1942.

          By the end of the summer of 1944, the use of PSA had practically ceased. Paradoxically, it is a fact: the Germans had to abandon their "high-precision weapons", while torpedoes and conventional bombs continued to be armed with the significantly thinned anti-ship Luftwaffe units. The fact is that the successful use of Hs293 required the coincidence of two factors, favorable weather conditions and the absence of strong fighter counteraction, and such a coincidence at the final stage of the war took place only in rare cases.
      2. Taoist
        Taoist 26 February 2016 10: 57
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        Let's start with the fact that BB is now more powerful than the Amatol. So the weight of the explosive is partially compensated ... Well, about the rest ... I hope I don't need to remind you that in the energy formula we multiply the mass by the SQUARE of speed? So the result can be obtained much more abruptly. Well, and where does the percentage of hits for the "Fritz" I do not understand at all, we kind of like modern missiles do not? Fritz is purely for example, what happens even with an armored and large pelvis if it is hit on the deck and the gap goes under the ship. But it is, the lyrics.

        Subsound does not "zero" anything - this is just one of the possibilities. And to project the mass onto the speed is generally from the category of "people mixed up in a heap" - there is no linear relationship. Moreover, I will reveal a terrible secret - the most "energy-consuming" section is the barrier transition mode. With an increase in speed, when the apparatus goes to "jump", the resistance drops sharply - i.e. to reach supercritical speeds, a short-term operation of the accelerator, a booster, completely reset (according to the Mosquito scheme, for example) is enough
        The problem of hypersound is not achieving the power required for this speed, but maintaining the stability of the apparatus when moving "on a jump" and the ability to control it (since conventional control schemes do not work here)
        In part, by the way, the problems of hypersonic missiles are similar to those of the Shkval - only the role of the shock wave is played by the cavitation cavity. Is the flurry very heavy compared to conventional torpedoes?
        1. Santa Fe
          26 February 2016 22: 35
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          Quote: Taoist
          To begin with, the explosives are now more powerful than amatol.

          Not five times
          Quote: Taoist
          in the energy formula we multiply the mass by the SQUARE of speed

          Why was this said, do you know other formulas?

          the area of ​​the hole does not depend on speed
          the maximum that a high-speed b / p can do is to make a through hole in the housing. And on the contrary it’s better to avoid it, warhead should work inside
          Quote: Taoist
          Fritz is purely an example of what happens even with an armored and large pelvis if it is hit on the deck and the gap goes under the ship.

          And what happens then?

          If you are hinting at a knocked out bottom - then a line with two. The size of the hole is not large enough to sink a large armored pelvis. 5 hits of Fritz + 2 hits of 2000 fnl. bombs in Salerno, the result - sank one Roma. And then only from the second hit and due to the fact that the pasta did not put out the fire in Moscow
          Quote: Taoist
          A flurry is very heavy compared to conventional torpedoes?

          Yes, it is heavier by a ton compared to the usual 21 "

          Moreover, it has five times shorter range and equipped with a lighter warhead (210 kg vs 300)
  14. e_krendel
    e_krendel 25 February 2016 14: 55
    +2
    "Sparse" can be a weapon or a blonde, and the air at high altitude can be sparse (from the word "sparse").
  15. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 25 February 2016 14: 58
    +2
    Is the Boeing X-51 WaveRider somehow forgotten?

    Here is his diagram:
  16. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 25 February 2016 15: 00
    +2
    And here is the WaveRider itself
    under the wing of the B-52
    Flew 350 km at a speed of 5 MAX. It didn’t burn out, just the fuel ran out.
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 25 February 2016 20: 09
      0
      With its linear-rectilinear movement, when were you afraid of shifting by a fraction of a degree? that, God forbid, would not fall apart, as in previous times ...
    2. Santa Fe
      25 February 2016 23: 36
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And here is the WaveRider itself
      under the wing of the B-52

      With all the advantages of air-based, the starting weight is 1,8 tons. And this is just a layout without warheads !!!

      + booster accelerator
      fit in the UVP?
    3. opus
      opus 26 February 2016 22: 41
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Flew 350 km at a speed of 5 MAX. It didn’t burn out, just the fuel ran out.

      tiddly "inconsistent" ..
      not burned, right, on top 21300 m.


      B-52 platform launched at an altitude of about 50000 feet (15 km)
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 28 February 2016 17: 05
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        But is it really impossible to fly at 5-6 MAX at an altitude of 20 km, for example,
        1000 km, and then reduce the speed above the target and down -
        on super sound?
        1. opus
          opus 28 February 2016 19: 10
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          But can’t you fly over

          can.
          So the 3M22 will fly (only higher, most likely from 30 km, where there is a "hole" in the air defense)

          Quote: voyaka uh
          and then slow down

          it is possible not to reduce it, if there is almost a vertical dive at the target (where there is a "hole" in the air defense at the elevation angles).
          30 km at a speed of 1,7 km / s ... in 15-20 seconds it will not melt and burn.

          The author just very poorly understands about missiles and about gps.
  17. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 25 February 2016 17: 31
    +1
    I liked the article very much, the author was able to explain everything as a "schoolboy". I hope we also have more promising developments, if not, then we urgently need to "give" to the West "effective managers" and other liberals (it is possible in exchange for technology! Although no one will fall for this political garbage there), but I think in the near future This issue will become even more relevant. The country needs new technologies, it needs to be re-equipped more actively, I hope there will be enough promising developments.
  18. dakty
    dakty 25 February 2016 17: 52
    +4
    I started reading the article - interesting! In the middle I thought: maybe Kaptsov ?!
    In the end - I was sure - he!
    The author changed his tactics - he stopped IMMEDIATELY hacking the product of the domestic defense industry, and began to "kind of bring it down" to this at the end. By the way, the author's "breadth of knowledge" is striking: from armored ships to hypersound !!!! (as they say from gand.na to patron) Wasserman smokes on the sidelines
    I suggest administrators to make a new tab in the top of the page: "home", "news", ..., "technologies", "kaptsov" ....
  19. goncharov.62
    goncharov.62 25 February 2016 19: 12
    0
    "American aircraft carrier" Kalinin Bay "in the battle near the island of Samar" - And where is Michal Ivanovich? - Explain, pliz ...
    1. Operator
      Operator 25 February 2016 19: 56
      0
      The USS Kalinin Bay CVE-68 (Casablanca class) escort carrier was named for the Gulf on Cruise Island in the Alexander Archipelago off the coast of Alaska.

      The island is named after the Russian admiral Alexander Ivanovich von Cruz.
  20. garri-lin
    garri-lin 25 February 2016 19: 55
    +1
    question on warhead. As a sailor, I know that a fire on a ship is a terrible thing. Sooooo scary. whether the issue of equipping anti-ship missiles with thermobaric warheads was not considered. when an aerosol cloud is formed in the "taller" of the ship's structures, which can penetrate anywhere, and cause not only damage to the structures during detonation, but also numerous sources of ignition.
    or use a superfluid liquid with the effect of spontaneous combustion in the presence of oxygen, and a very high combustion temperature. degrees so up to 3000
  21. mav1971
    mav1971 25 February 2016 20: 14
    +2
    Oleg! Thanks so much for the article.
    Sam considered RCC on the classical scheme. but with ramjet and speeds in M5 - a myth unrealistic from a technological point of view.
    But associative next to the missiles, as I was, they were deprived.
    Although he knew about Talos, and about the Standards.

    Thank you!
  22. engineer
    engineer 25 February 2016 22: 34
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    the vast majority of modern combat super and hyper sound missiles are solid fuel. ramjet engine is a civilian space. there they have superiority. and for a quick battle you need solid fuel. maneuverability and speed of preparation redeem poor handling.
  23. Glad
    Glad 26 February 2016 00: 03
    0
    Quote: garri-lin
    question on warhead. As a sailor, I know that a fire on a ship is a terrible thing. Sooooo scary. whether the issue of equipping anti-ship missiles with thermobaric warheads was not considered. when an aerosol cloud is formed in the "taller" of the ship's structures, which can penetrate anywhere, and cause not only damage to the structures during detonation, but also numerous sources of ignition.
    or use a superfluid liquid with the effect of spontaneous combustion in the presence of oxygen, and a very high combustion temperature. degrees so up to 3000

    There may not be enough time for the formation of an aerosol cloud with the necessary parameters.
    For my part, I can advise two books:
    1 - Gelfand B.E., Silnikov M.V. "Volumetric Explosions".
    2 - Gelfand B.E., Silnikov M.V. "Barothermal action of explosions".
    I do not know if they are on the network, I did not check, but you can google ...
  24. garri-lin
    garri-lin 26 February 2016 12: 50
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    I’ll look for it at my leisure.
  25. Taoist
    Taoist 27 February 2016 12: 09
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    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Why was this said, do you know other formulas?

    I know that — but it looks like seams with knowledge ... it's so simple ... you can increase the damaging effect of a projectile by increasing its mass or speed. In this case, the mass is first, but the speed is the second derivative - i.e. increase speed is more profitable.
    Hence your illiterate view of the "hole" in the case. When a certain threshold is exceeded, there is no longer a "hole" - but the release of energy upon impact (remember your favorite "railguns").
    About the "contusion" of the structure - i.e. the propagation of a shock wave through the material of the body and its corresponding destruction, I also mentioned.

    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Yes, it is heavier by a ton compared to the usual 21 "

    It has five times shorter range and is equipped with a lighter warhead (210 kg vs 300)


    At the same time, these same 5 times faster (there are no free gingerbread) Well, taking into account the fact that its speed is not to ensure the effect of kinetic damage to the target, unlike hypersound ...
    1. aiw
      aiw 27 February 2016 14: 44
      +1
      I did not quite understand what function the mass is the first derivative of, and what function the velocity is the second derivative of, and what you differentiated by belay ?

      But in general, you’re right, the kinetic energy is mv ^ 2/2, and the warhead does not have to flash through the target, it depends on the warhead material, where it will go, etc. etc.
    2. Santa Fe
      27 February 2016 22: 50
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      Quote: Taoist
      In this case, the mass is first, but the speed is the second derivative

      laughing
      for retake next. year
      Quote: Taoist
      When a certain threshold is exceeded, there is no longer a "hole" - but the release of energy upon impact (remember your favorite "railguns").

      Railgun shoots on tests at a concrete block of six-meter thickness
      in which the projectile is braked
      Quote: Taoist
      At the same time, these same 5 times faster (there are no free gingerbread cookies)

      one and a half to two times heavier, five to ten times less range

      but say - no problem, disperse the warhead to 5M
      when in theory, with a starting weight of 2t, a maximum of 2,9M
  26. pooop
    pooop 27 February 2016 14: 34
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    an interesting direction, there may be a revolution in armaments, this must be monitored. Thanks to the author for the article, it was interesting to read.
  27. Termit1309
    Termit1309 28 February 2016 05: 20
    +2
    The failed course of the modernization of Soviet weapons
    Author Mikhail Mikhailovich Rastopshin - Candidate of Technical Sciences

    Russian tank fell victim to intrigue
    The corporation "Uralvagonzavod" intends to present at the Russian exhibition of armaments Russian Expo Arms-2010 a new T-95 tank. These plans may be hampered by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, whose representatives announced the closure of development work in this area. Instead of the T-95, outdated before birth, the military proposes a further upgrade of the T-90 production model. Experts believe this view, at least, controversial. But, as the RusBusinessNews columnist found out, this discussion is meaningless, since the debts of Uralvagonzavod are tens of billions of rubles, and the production is hopelessly outdated. recourse
    Author Vladimir Terletsky
    Media: Putin vainly admired the T-50 fighter - he was shown the plane with the old stuffing
    "Bulava" if it flies, it will not strengthen the shield of Russia
    Author Ivan Romanov
    this is a brief retelling of crying about polymers for 2010 year. The mace flies, the old Soviet Su 24,25 fly in Syria. About extinct tank building is also ridiculous.
    Now we have other toys - Zircon will not fly laughing
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 29 February 2016 10: 37
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      Quote: Termit1309
      The failed course of the modernization of Soviet weapons
      Author Mikhail Mikhailovich Rastopshin - Candidate of Technical Sciences
      / / / /
      this is a brief retelling of crying about polymers for 2010 year. The mace flies, the old Soviet Su 24,25 fly in Syria. About extinct tank building is also ridiculous.
      Now we have other toys - Zircon will not fly laughing


      But there’s nothing to be happy about, and throwing bonnets is just crazy.
      For problems are accumulating and everything is shifting to more distant prospects.

      July 16 2015 year.
      Single day of acceptance of military products
      Meeting with the President of the Russian Federation.
      http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50005

      In the 2014 year, the Baltic shipyard Yantar disrupted delivery of the first Admiral Grigorovich project in the 11356 series of patrol ships. 31 May 2015 year, the adjusted schedule is broken. The analysis shows that we will receive the ship in November 2015 of the year. It causes concern that the second ship of this series, the Admiral Essen, will be delivered late. Moreover, the company has overdue receivables in the amount of more than 6 billion rubles.
      The Beriev Taganrog Aviation Scientific and Technical Complex did not deliver the BE-200ChS amphibious aircraft within the time frame established by the state contract. On May 15 of 2015, the deadline was disrupted according to the schedule, and the second aircraft of the 2015 program of the year is also under threat. The debt of the enterprise is 1,4 billion rubles.
      Joint Stock Company “Spetsremont” failed to fulfill four state contracts for the overhaul of armored engineering equipment. Overdue receivables in the amount of more than 43,5 billion rubles. The reason is the unwillingness of the organization to a large volume of repairs and equipment and one hundred percent advance of contracts in the 2012 year. Only during this period, 25 billion rubles was paid.
      The All-Russian Scientific Research Institute of Radio Equipment has not delivered eight stations for targeted radio visualization and transmission of Igla control commands. It is predicted that supply failure in the 2015 year is another six similar stations.
      In addition, the company has delayed for more than a year the development of a secondary location system for the aviation complex of the radar patrol and surveillance of the Premier Design Bureau. The reason for the disruption of the supply of components is the poor development of design documentation and the constant change of design and management staff.
      The Technodinamika Joint-Stock Company has not delivered three multi-position launching devices for the Tu-160 aircraft. The supply of six units of the 2015 program of the year is in jeopardy.
      Kirov plant Mayak did not deliver 326 guided missiles Vortex-1. The manufactured materiel did not pass the tests, the characteristics are not confirmed. The pre-production schedules of the enterprise are disrupted.
      A similar situation has developed for the supply of Vortex-1 rockets by the Kalashnikov concern. Not delivered 1972 guided missiles. Reasons: poor processing of design documentation and failure to carry out full-fledged production activities.
      In the direction of the creation and development of automated control and communication facilities of the Armed Forces, the deadlines for eight experimental design work were disrupted for one or two years.

      The objective reasons for the failure to fulfill the state defense order include: limiting the supply of imported components, raw materials and materials in connection with the imposition of sanctions, the cessation of production and the loss of a number of technologies, and insufficient production capacities.
  28. 3danimal
    3danimal 1 March 2016 05: 27
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    But what if we combine the ideas of LRASM (subsonic subtle with highly intelligent GOS) and our KSSh (324-mm torpedo as warhead)? We get a large range, the complexity of interception, high efficiency on the target (an explosion under the bottom of the NK), versatility (the possibility of a submarine attack).
  29. 3danimal
    3danimal 16 March 2016 09: 07
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    After all, hypersonic anti-ship missiles must fly at high altitude (otherwise it will burn), as a result of which it becomes a clearly visible target. I do not know about the characteristics of the standards / Ajis, but the maximum speed of the intercepted target for fort-m is 3000m / s. It is 9-10M.
    The defeat of the target is likely to occur with a dive, in order to withstand overheating for several seconds, you can apply ablation protection.
    But the vulnerability in high altitude flight still remains.
    If only to make the height greater than the maximum for existing anti-aircraft missiles (15km for SM-2, 33km for SM-6).