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If everyone runs away, who will you stay with, Mr. Zakharchenko?

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I know in advance that many things written will not be to your taste. From the fact that the water flows to the mill ukrov, and to the fact that how much can be about this merged Novorossia. How much is needed - so much and you can. This is not about any idea or legal education, it is primarily about people.




Of course, I may be mistaken, but since the Soviet times, the idea that people are the main value has been driven into many heads (including my own). Weapon, the technique is secondary. If there are people, there will be a battle.

And now directly on the topic.

Just the other day, the DPR left one family. Say, what's new and out of the ordinary? DND leave dozens of families a day for various reasons. The difference is that it was not a planned departure, but a natural escape.

But back to the beginning stories. In the distant 1988 year. When, on the initiative of Captain Vladimir Kolganov, a cynological nursery was established at the Donetsk Higher Military Political School of Engineers and Communications. Who all this time brought up and trained service dogs under the direction of retired Colonel Kolganov.

To say that the name of Vladimir Kolganov is little known, of course, possible. But in the circles of professional master of sports of the USSR, champion of the USSR, the judge of the highest category was quite famous. And his brainchild "Don-Lyceum" was known far beyond the Donetsk region.

Don Lyceum flourished. And the territory of the nursery as a result of the daily efforts and care of the people who worked there, has also become a favorite place for recreation and leisure. Different people were in a hurry to go there - and adults to spend time in the fresh air, but with a kebab. She loved the nursery and the kids, because here every child’s cherished dream could come true - to play with a real dog. Yes, not easy. Trained shepherds patiently demolished everything that hides communication between an animal and a child, who often do not see the difference between a toy and a living creature.

The war, of course, made its own adjustments. The retired colonel, of course, no longer went to war. Age is not the same. But his four-legged pupils did quite normally serve themselves for the protection of the outskirts of Donetsk. Well, and as a personal contribution of the Kolganovs, all barricades near the television center on Kuibyshev were erected from their building materials. They were planned for another, but the Kolganovs considered it necessary there.

Who would have thought that the trouble would come not with the war, but in peacetime?

When hostilities subsided and passed into the category of incidents, the peaceful way of life and the pre-war habits began to gradually return. And people began to come and come to the nursery, long-timed by the Donetsk residents.

Last October, a company in military uniform came to the nursery to celebrate someone's birthday.

“Yes, I know them perfectly well from college, these are my former cadets,” said Vladimir Kolganov about those guests, not knowing what their visit would result in.

The guests sat and rested, and thanked them and left. A few days later they returned, and not empty-handed. They brought orders to the owners with them ... to leave the territory of the nursery immediately. The basis is the invalidity of documents on the right of ownership. The lease agreement for a plot with an enterprise that owns the land was considered “ukrop paper”. And so that there was no doubt about the effectiveness of the demands and threats, they would distort the gates of the automata. I had to obey.

It turns out that the recent kennels looked so much like a kennel that they decided to simply take their hands on it. Or, as it is now called, press.

Kolganov obeyed. Inventory, which could and had time to pick up, carried out for the territory of the nursery, piled nearby, on the adjacent abandoned site. In the same place, they continued to practice with animals, because training and dressing cannot be stopped for a long time. At the same time, they tried to achieve a fair resolution of the situation, because at some stage the hope was still alive that cases of lawlessness were impossible and unacceptable in the young people's republic, which were not even equal in Ukraine. And this, as it turned out, was their main mistake. For which he had to pay a huge price.

14 February 2016 of the year. That day, as Svetlana Kolganova tells, her husband was engaged with dogs not far from his former kennel, when a black Range Rover with armed men drove up to the training site. One of them, in military uniform, introduced himself as General of the DPR Army Grigory Belyaev. He was ugly drunk. Belyaev was waving a pistol and in an obscene manner demanded Kolganov to leave the place where the training was going on. The rest has already become reminiscent of the scene of the bloody showdown of the action movie about "dashing 90-x."

From explanatory Svetlana Kolganova:

“Belyaev went out with a shaky gait from the car, demanded the keys to our car, began shooting at the air, beating her husband along with armed men. As ordered, snout on asphalt. They beat me with their hands, feet, butt of a machine gun on the head, all over their body. They killed all the passers-by in their eyes. At my request and the question “What are you doing?” He opened fire in the air, and his guards shot at the ground in front of our feet. Belyaev came up to me and hit me in the stomach so that I fell backwards and hit my head against the asphalt. I threatened me with a gun. Then he directed the pistol in the direction of my daughter, who came to the aid of her father. He kicked her in the stomach, wrung her hand and shot, but the bullet came past. ”

This day the Kolganovs will be remembered for a lifetime. After all, then they beat not just the owner of the nursery, they beat the former Afghan, a military officer who devoted his whole life to the love of animals and people. They were beating him only because he needed the land on which his farm was located.

But the hardest loss is not even a “wrung-out” section. Due to a kick in the stomach, Kolganov’s daughter had a miscarriage. She lost an unborn child.

As a person who seemed to be well versed in the questions of who is who in the DPR, I was interested in “General” Belyaev. However, I do not recall such a general. He turned to his friends in Donetsk. However, they did not know such a commander. No one.

But Grigory Belyaev exists. True, he is not a general. Although he claims that he came to power from the front line. From the militia.

Meet:

If everyone runs away, who will you stay with, Mr. Zakharchenko?


Belyaev, Grigory Vladimirovich. Born in Donetsk 20 June 1975 of the year. We managed to find out quickly about it a little, but that's enough. From education figures secondary school №31. In the work anywhere is not particularly noticed. He fought in the militia. Where, when, as part of a unit - everything is hidden in darkness. 10.09.2015 became a member of the People's Council of the DPR from the Donetsk Republic OD.

Familiar date? Familiar ... It was then that the companions were kicked out of Nargin's council of Purgin and other deputies were quickly appointed to replace them. Or choose it as someone more convenient.

And what does a drunk lover know in Narsovet to shoot and squeeze someone else's? You will not believe. Gregory Belyaev - Member of the Committee on Health, Maternity and Childhood!

Well, General Belyaev protects motherhood, do not say anything. Kicks in the belly of a pregnant woman. It is terrible to imagine how Messrs. Avdeev and Zavdoveev, the chairman and secretary of the above-mentioned committee, “work” if an ordinary worker behaves this way.

Although what he is an ordinary worker? Having brought Vladimir Kolganov in the trunk of his car to the nearest station after beating him and handing it to law enforcement officers there, Belyaev arranged a concert there with promises that the workers of these same law enforcement agencies (and the prosecutor’s office later), except for the council, whisper "Run if you want to stay alive ", nothing more was not capable of.

Of course, threats from such a highly possessed person took effect. Kolganovs fled to Russia. Fortunately there are friends.

The situation raises more questions than answers. If all this is true, and written explanatory and testimony suggests that the Kolganovs do not invent anything, then how is it possible in a state that declares itself a people's republic and proclaims a complete departure from the lawlessness practiced in oligarchic Ukraine?

Or did we somehow get distracted by Syria and did not see the moment when the republic passed into the monarchy? Or, even worse, in a frankly gangster freemen?

Otherwise, how can one explain the utter impotence of the police and prosecutors? And what can people expect who do not have a phone to call and ask for help with a safe escape? Just run without thinking that the new guardians of the "republic" could safely take what they want and cut Russian money?

Excuse me, Mr. Zakharchenko, for the sake of this dozens of militia killed near Izvarino, Lugansk, Donetsk and in many other places? Hardly. And disappointed, people will again stand in line at the border.

And the main question: if all the people run away from the republic, with whom will you stay, Mr. Zakharchenko? With a bunch of candid gangsters deputies? In unfinished places, where you and your henchmen are already frankly starting to hate. The right way go, as they say.

Of course, I went over a little. Do not run away. Not to fight. But what is happening today in the DNI makes very much think about where everything goes. Or rolling. Here we are talking about the purges, sometimes rather incomprehensible, and the total censorship of everything that happens, and many other things.

And we will not be silent about this.
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  1. Korsar4
    Korsar4 24 February 2016 06: 32
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    For such an answer will have to hold. Moreover, it is desirable that in this life.
    1. Dembel77
      Dembel77 24 February 2016 07: 16
      73
      If the gangster is on his own, then everything is clear - arrest, investigation, trial and fair sentence. And if a gangster in government - then this is the mafia. And to fight it is much more difficult. It would be better not to start this problem, but to solve it immediately - otherwise there will be a lot of injustice and a lot of blood.
      1. user
        user 24 February 2016 10: 22
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        Or, as it is now called, squeeze.


        But by the way this whole story continues (I mean the formation of the DPR and LPR and the most important leadership of these entities), this is a struggle of the same people, standing shoulder to shoulder on the Maidan, and then diverging in views and finding a different roof. Once again, I draw your attention to the fact that I do not mean ordinary residents of these territories.

        That is, the showdown between "Ukrainians and Ukrainians" continues, and most importantly, if I am not mistaken, the leadership of the Russian Federation (well, Putin, if you want) has not yet decided what to do in this situation, since we are offered to support, if not all of Ukraine, then at least part of it, but in this situation with the leadership (I mean its ties with the Ukrainian oligarchs) do we need it?
        1. Mahmut
          Mahmut 24 February 2016 10: 59
          10
          It seems to me that the author kept silent about many things. And only for this reason does history appear in a glaring manner.
          1. himanru
            himanru 24 February 2016 11: 42
            40
            "surrenders" to you only because you do not know what is happening here in reality. People do not have the ability to influence the situation in a legal way. In the Donbass, random people turned out to be in power, who could be entrusted with the maximum territory to cover up - and even then, under supervision. There is nothing fantastic in the described situation. Kolganov had little choice - to leave or shoot this bastard. It is clear that in the second case his family would have suffered. You come and see for yourself if you "give up". The number of scum in power structures is simply a record. People are demoralized worse than in the 90s
            1. Temples
              Temples 24 February 2016 12: 32
              10
              Random people were in power in the Donbass ...

              And on the rest of the outskirts of power are not random people.
              And this nonrandom we observe.
              Independent)))
              Russians want on the outskirts to become Ukrainians so let them become.

              But there are those who want to be Russian !!!!
              And they are in their homeland. In my REPUBLIC. On the land of their RUSSIAN fathers.
              They how to be ???

              And the freaks seized power are everywhere enough.
              1. himanru
                himanru 24 February 2016 12: 58
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                Quote: Temples
                to the rest of the outskirts

                What "outskirts" are you talking about? Here we are talking about Donetsk. In the spring of 2014, a significant part of the territory of Donbass separated from Ukraine.
                Random people are those who do not have the experience and ability to carry out a specific type of activity. That's clearer?
                1. shvn
                  shvn 24 February 2016 14: 10
                  -2
                  Well, relatively "a significant part of the territory of Donbass" you, sir, called on. But "a piece of Donbass" - the very thing.
                  Well, google about the "leaders" of today's Donbass ... You will find many interesting things ...
                  1. himanru
                    himanru 24 February 2016 14: 19
                    14
                    "Piece" could be said if there were no regional capitals in this territory.
                    And then where did you get the idea that I need some additional information? I do not complain about the lack of information
                    1. Pravdarm
                      Pravdarm 24 February 2016 14: 22
                      +9
                      Maybe that's why it sounds "Putinslil"? Because it is not to face with the bandits from the main road? I understood that such facts would begin to emerge! At home, in Russia, something like that, to put it mildly - it happens! And these hemorrhoidal syndromes will also stain!
                      1. himanru
                        himanru 24 February 2016 16: 40
                        +1
                        And so too, of course.
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                2. Victor-M
                  Victor-M 25 February 2016 01: 49
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                  Quote: himanru
                  What "outskirts" are you talking about?

                  About the "outskirts".
              2. Starik72
                Starik72 24 February 2016 15: 10
                +6
                Temples. I agree with you, That freaks and scoundrels seized power until everywhere is enough!
            2. co-creator
              co-creator 24 February 2016 14: 34
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              Quote: himanru
              "surrenders" to you only because you do not know what is happening here in reality. People do not have the ability to influence the situation in a legal way

              It seems to me that the name Purgin is here for a reason. Elections on the nose and such dirt pours on everyone. Read what the locals write about Purgin’s wife, for example. The story really looks like a fable what it is. The former Afghan colonel of about 50, who was clearly in good physical condition, was especially pleased, he did not go for a new update because of his old age. Apparently other men of his age fighting in the BCH is a feik.
              1. Victorio
                Victorio 24 February 2016 15: 02
                +3
                Quotation: blooded man
                Quote: himanru
                "surrenders" to you only because you do not know what is happening here in reality. People do not have the ability to influence the situation in a legal way

                It seems to me that the name Purgin is here for a reason. Elections on the nose and such dirt pours on everyone. Read what the locals write about Purgin’s wife, for example. The story really looks like a fable what it is. The former Afghan colonel of about 50, who was clearly in good physical condition, was especially pleased, he did not go for a new update because of his old age. Apparently other men of his age fighting in the BCH is a feik.

                ===
                and the fact that a person writes from there in posts, is also "fake"?
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 25 February 2016 00: 04
                  +1
                  Quote: Victorio
                  and the fact that a person writes from there in posts, is also "fake"?

                  I did not say that this is a fake, it is watered. order. Tell me, where does Purgin and the man from whom his property was seized? You just don’t understand how much dirt there is pouring on each other there.
                  1. himanru
                    himanru 25 February 2016 18: 29
                    +5
                    If you do not understand, this does not mean that there is no meaning.
                    The exclusion of Purgin and others like him is mentioned in order to explain how this "general" turned out to be the people's deputy, namely, the first person who came across from his acquaintances was pushed into an empty seat. (I must confess, this does not tell me anything - he could have got this post before, and I don't see anything surprising in this - he knew some of the new deputies.)
                    I don’t know what elections you are talking about, but the premise is incorrect. There is no need for any election campaign, why? .. About the mud that is watered each other - someone cannot be different in nature, and someone is telling the truth, and this is perceived as dirt.
                    After all, you doubt that the above is true? But admit, because you just do not care about it. If you were really interested in this, you would at least call the telephone number indicated on the nursery’s website, or you would recognize it through your friends. But according to your reaction, we can conclude that you do not have friends from New Russia, or they do not tell you what is happening.
                    But do not be upset - here many are already trying to challenge the authenticity of this story, without bothering to move a finger to check.
              2. himanru
                himanru 24 February 2016 17: 01
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                What are you talking about? This is not "dirt", it is true. I know these people. And this chaos really happened.
                Why the colonel did not go to war is not discussed at all, he helped in his own way.
                That is why from all over the region and 10 thousands were not recruited into the militia, this is another matter.
                Many people helped by means, building materials, humanitarian aid. Help was the key word, this happened until they (or their friends and relatives) were robbed - at best, or even completely - dug up somewhere. Those whom they helped plundered and killed. Here is such rubbish.
                By the way, dogs brought up in the colonel’s kennel served at many checkpoints.
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                3. co-creator
                  co-creator 25 February 2016 00: 17
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                  Quote: himanru
                  I know these people


                  Did you write this? Although the author has a different nickname. Well, tell me what does Purgin have to do with it? What is the difference how this person got into the deputies, if the story is about arbitrariness. This was especially pleased after the description of how he deprived the girl of motherhood with a blow with a foot --- You won’t believe it. Grigory Belyaev - member of the committee on health care, protection of motherhood and childhood! --- Just a double to political strategists.
                  .
                  1. himanru
                    himanru 25 February 2016 00: 38
                    0
                    No, I am unfamiliar with the author of the article.
                    1. co-creator
                      co-creator 25 February 2016 15: 36
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                      Quote: himanru
                      No, I am unfamiliar with the author of the article.

                      Why then confirm this linden? No, it’s quite possible that the nursery was taken away, but why is everything else written here?
                      1. himanru
                        himanru 25 February 2016 17: 43
                        +6
                        What is actually happening is described here. Now such cases occur less frequently than a year and a half ago, but nevertheless they happen, unfortunately.
                        If for you reality is what the media say with pathos, we are talking about different things and in different languages. Do not flood
                      2. co-creator
                        co-creator 25 February 2016 23: 42
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                        Quote: himanru
                        . Do not flood

                        Why are you telling me this? Can you read or not? Once again I ask where does Purgin and the fact that this person took his place?
                        What happened there, I know without you. Only for some reason everyone was silent, and then suddenly a straight conscience jammed right up to sleep.
                      3. himanru
                        himanru 27 February 2016 13: 38
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                        Since I did not write this article, I can only express my own opinion regarding the motives of the author. Why Purgin is mentioned - indicated his opinion above.
                        Regarding silence, you are wrong. For some time I could not write anything because of my official employment. On this resource in general recently, and if you are interested in the constancy of my views - look for the nickname in other resources.
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              1. himanru
                himanru 25 February 2016 03: 21
                +6
                You do not poke me, I do not pass pigs with you.
                And stop talking nonsense
                1. Victor-M
                  Victor-M 25 February 2016 09: 48
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                  Quote: himanru
                  You do not poke me, I do not pass pigs with you.
                  And stop talking nonsense

                  That's right, because you graze yourself. laughing
                  1. himanru
                    himanru 25 February 2016 17: 52
                    +9
                    You (because, unfortunately, there are many of you) are the real misfortune of Russia. We can handle the roads, but you won’t be defeated.
                    Thanks to you, the Internet has turned into some garbage dump, where every inferior and demented creature merges its complexes. However, you still have enough intelligence, so as not to be rude in the face.
                    Obviously, access to the Internet should be supervised by psychiatrists, for imbeciles - a separate local network.
          2. TiRex
            TiRex 25 February 2016 12: 01
            +3
            "I was especially pleased with the former Afghan colonel of about 50 years old who is clearly in good physical shape", and now let's think with our heads. In 1988, the colonel was retired, that is, at least 32-35 years old, and at that time they retired mainly for health reasons, since he essentially continued to serve. In 2016, he is at least 60 years old, I get along, you say comrade, here is by no means "50 years old, which is clearly in good physical shape"
        2. GRAY
          GRAY 24 February 2016 17: 20
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          Quote: himanru
          "surrenders" to you only because you do not know what is happening here in reality.

          Yeah. Actually.
          1. himanru
            himanru 24 February 2016 18: 53
            +4
            Are you smart?
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        3. psiho117
          psiho117 24 February 2016 20: 53
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          Quote: himanru
          In the Donbass, random people were in power who could be entrusted with sweeping the maximum territory

          Oh no, I’m afraid they’re not even random at all - for their deeds speak for themselves: - arrogant and systematic survival and knocking out of dissenters, requisitions and robbery not covered in any way, make it clear to us that these are not random people, they are bandits.

          It’s bitter to write about this - but as a resident of New Russia I confirm, such cases are not uncommon with us ...
        4. Victor-M
          Victor-M 25 February 2016 01: 47
          -5
          Quote: himanru
          In the Donbass, random people turned out to be in power, who could be entrusted to sweep the maximum territory - and even then, under supervision.

          This can be said about all of Ukraine.
          1. himanru
            himanru 25 February 2016 03: 25
            +4
            If you do not understand the difference between the separated republics and Ukraine, why speak out about it at all?
            1. Victor-M
              Victor-M 25 February 2016 09: 51
              -1
              Quote: himanru
              If you do not understand the difference between the separated republics and Ukraine, why speak out about it at all?

              Of the words you said above, there’s no difference, and there and there the leadership is worthless and they only have streets of revenge, and then under supervision. laughing
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 24 February 2016 17: 34
      +6
      user

      You described the situation very well.

      But I would like to throw a stone towards the Russian leadership.

      LPR, DPR, this is in fact no man's land. The state in them has collapsed, and the new one will have no ideological basis and the most unpleasant is not a group of people who carry this ideology. To restore the state, a group of activists is needed that can physically take power and systematically hold on to suppress dissidents. That is how ideology works.

      If left to chance. Assuming that the people are self-organizing and such a group of like-minded people arises, then most likely there will be a return not to the feudal, but to the slave system.

      Now these republics are sponsoring and trying to reorganize the oligarchs. If one of them invests there, then the second tries to steal what the first invested. So you need to help one who invests. After all, progress is needed.

      Then, based on the situation, it may make sense for the leadership of the Russian Federation to take a more definite position. Time is running, but work is worth it.
      1. Independent
        Independent 24 February 2016 22: 05
        +6
        They made fun. The oligarchs invest. Invests the Russian people. From the budget of the country. About the leadership of the Russian Federation, it would also be funny if it were not sad.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 25 February 2016 19: 03
          +2
          Independent.

          Akhmetov, sending humanitarian aid. Which is distributed among those in need in an organized way, in contrast to the aid of the Russian Federation, which can often be found on store shelves. Information taken from the site of the "Fund of the Working Academy"
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      3. ty60
        ty60 25 February 2016 15: 21
        0
        Everyone rushing a blanket over themselves. Catching fish in troubled waters. Nothing personal-only business.
    3. Independent
      Independent 24 February 2016 21: 50
      +3
      Quote: user
      relations with Ukrainian oligarchs)

      Our oligarchs there also leave a good mark. And Russia and Ukraine for them is only the territory in which they make loot. And the Russian leadership is the same oligarchs or their managers. Trouble.
  2. aleks 62 next
    aleks 62 next 24 February 2016 13: 02
    +7
    ..... And if a gangster in government - this is the mafia ....

    .... Ha !!!! .... Surprised ... request ..... A gangster is a deputy, a deputy is a gangster ... Who is convenient to call .... Opening made .... belay
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 24 February 2016 17: 41
      -3
      aleks 62

      If the bandit is in power, then there will be the following.

      Or the bandit will crush his competitors and begin to milk his slaves. And to milk them correctly, he fed, then the state was reconstituted. And if a weakling will stand in power, who will divide his power into gang groups, then everyone will die. From hunger.
  • gergi
    gergi 24 February 2016 09: 19
    +8
    It is too early to discuss, much less condemn. So far, only words. We need facts, the results of the investigation, but it should be! Lies very often resemble the truth. Many have become proficient in this craft. You can not take a word to anyone in serious matters. This is a serious matter.
    1. himanru
      himanru 24 February 2016 11: 46
      15
      There are enough such serious cases. This is the first time I hear about this, but I have no doubt that it is true. This is the reality here. Yes, you ask: who was in power, what kind of people? And doubts will disappear.
      There will be no investigation. Do not wait.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 24 February 2016 17: 49
        +1
        himanru

        During the formation of the state, good people cannot and should not be in power. Uniquely, it is important that these people are not stupid. Since a bad person and a fool are synonyms, you need a bad and smart one. But this is nonsense, since smart people are psychologically unstable to do hard but sure actions. History knows units of such leaders. And opinions about them are contradictory. Lenin, Stalin. Smart, strong. They were able to take responsibility and sleep peacefully.
        1. himanru
          himanru 24 February 2016 19: 11
          +5
          Of course, the virtues of a ruler are different from the virtues of a worker or peasant. Based on the measure of the latter, the chapter will not be virtuous. However, this does not mean the opposite - that he must be a villain. Ethics should be held in high esteem.
      2. Victor-M
        Victor-M 25 February 2016 09: 53
        -5
        Quote: himanru
        There are enough such serious cases. This is the first time I hear about this, but I have no doubt that it is true. This is the reality here. Yes, you ask: who was in power, what kind of people? And doubts will disappear.
        There will be no investigation. Do not wait.

        Generalized phrases, without facts. laughing
    2. shvn
      shvn 24 February 2016 14: 12
      +5
      Yeah, there were a lot of investigations about Sashka Bely? Or do we have many examples of investigations of lawless lawless people? Or have they received the deadlines? Well, examples, please ...
      1. bk316
        bk316 24 February 2016 17: 10
        +5
        Vyacheslav Dudka
        Dmitry Ayatskov
        Alexander Khoroshavin
        These are the governors.
        And different vice, mayors, deputies are unmeasured.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 24 February 2016 17: 55
          0
          bk316

          There is a claim that a leader cannot control more than six subordinates.
          Of course, if the number of managers goes beyond the number required by Formula 1-6, then the fragmentation of power is obvious. Theft and regression. So, one of the above governors has lost control.
          1. bk316
            bk316 24 February 2016 18: 07
            +5
            gladcu2
            Well, first of all, not <= 6, but approximately 6, i.e. maybe 9
            Secondly nonlinear subordinates i.e. multifunctional
            thirdly, get deputies and do not lose control

            But in general, I answered shvn that it’s just that criminals from the government may well even put
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 24 February 2016 20: 32
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              good

              I do not argue.
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  • siberalt
    siberalt 24 February 2016 11: 15
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    What is the relationship between Zakharchenko and the dog kennel? winked
    Now the option has turned on, and who is Khodakovsky whose roof has leaked in the Kremlin. Is it possible to forget the shooting of volunteers from Russia at the Donetsk airport under his control. But for some reason Kurginyan began to publicize him on the site of his sect. Some kind of connection in this is observed.
    1. himanru
      himanru 24 February 2016 11: 48
      10
      Yeah, no connection at all - between what is happening in the republic and its head
      1. shvn
        shvn 24 February 2016 14: 14
        +3
        Well, yes, Zakharchenko over them ... he doesn’t have such small things to do with him
      2. Victor-M
        Victor-M 25 February 2016 09: 58
        -2
        Quote: himanru
        Yeah, no connection at all - between what is happening in the republic and its head

        Imagine the facts please! You, too, can be accused of working for the State Department, simply by saying that you are an American agent, really, really! How do you prove that this is not so? wink Just do not need high phrases. laughing
  • Homo
    Homo 24 February 2016 11: 52
    +8
    Quote: Korsar4
    For such an answer will have to hold. Moreover, it is desirable that in this life.

    It's not just another episode. This is the answer to the question - why did not Russia send troops and defend "Novorossiya". This is confirmation of the fact that "Novorossiya" is a muddy formation and it is still not clear what they want.
    1. himanru
      himanru 24 February 2016 12: 04
      +7
      Sorry, you write nonsense.
      In your opinion, it turns out that the Russian Federation has nothing to do with the formation of the DPR-LPR? Themselves, then, the locals have chosen a government?
      1. shvn
        shvn 24 February 2016 14: 15
        +4
        "You write nonsense" ... Something softly you are with him. Crap he wrote or wrote ...
        1. Homo
          Homo 24 February 2016 14: 47
          -4
          Quote: shvn
          "You write nonsense" ... Something softly you are with him. Crap he wrote or wrote ...

          What about refuting my words with facts?
          1. Victor-M
            Victor-M 25 February 2016 01: 55
            -4
            Quote: Homo
            What about refuting my words with facts?

            This is not spelled out in the State Department instructions. laughing
            1. TiRex
              TiRex 25 February 2016 12: 05
              +1
              some cliches, sickened, you have bad humor ...
              1. Victor-M
                Victor-M 25 February 2016 12: 23
                -2
                Quote: TiRex
                some cliches, sickened, you have bad humor ...

                Yes, I have not joked. Do you walk in pairs or fours, create the appearance of mass discontented people? laughing
      2. Homo
        Homo 24 February 2016 14: 46
        0
        Quote: himanru
        Sorry, you write nonsense.
        In your opinion, it turns out that the Russian Federation has nothing to do with the formation of the DPR-LPR? Themselves, then, the locals have chosen a government?

        Well, yes, of course, how could it be without the "hand of Moscow"! The only question is why Donetsk and Lugansk and not industrial Kharkov, Nikolaev, Odessa?
        1. himanru
          himanru 24 February 2016 19: 20
          +3
          Donbass is just an industrial region, but I don’t understand how this relates to previous statements.
          If you do not know anything about past elections, look on the internet.
      3. gladcu2
        gladcu2 24 February 2016 18: 05
        0
        himanru

        Are you sure that the government of the republics needs the people of the Russian Federation?
        Then why is there still a mess? Why the power of law does not dominate?

        If state people are in power? Why not a built state vertical, excluding "fish-sticking"?
        1. himanru
          himanru 24 February 2016 19: 30
          +5
          Of course I’m sure. I have not revealed this statement to any of the locals in America. More precisely, as to the need for them, I doubt it just seems that these people are satisfied with Moscow, as well as others would suit. It seems that nobody is just bothers. I have no other explanations, and no one has them, except perhaps those who oversee this project. But they are not in a hurry to explain themselves about this.
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    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 24 February 2016 18: 01
      0
      Homo

      The question is not why Russia sent troops or not. As it turned out, there was no need to send troops. Everything was decided in its own way.
      But the question is for Russia, how much there are no professional revolutionaries in the republic who could take, hold and build a new state. Friendly Which in the future could become a subject of the federation. Pay taxes and enjoy the benefits of a large country.
      1. himanru
        himanru 24 February 2016 19: 35
        +9
        And you remember where all the real leaders went - there are no accidents.
      2. ty60
        ty60 25 February 2016 15: 25
        -1
        And why actually Russia MUST? The salvation of drowning is the work of the drowning
        1. himanru
          himanru 25 February 2016 18: 04
          +3
          Is it in Russian?
  • Quager
    Quager 24 February 2016 14: 50
    +6
    It would be regrettable, but I think there is nothing surprising in the incident, the formation of wild capitalism is taking place - the distribution of resources, we in Russia are only just going through this stage, everything is happening in a more or less legal way, but raider seizures are still the norm for us! Look at what kind of people oversee the republics and answer for yourself: can something normal happen under their supervision?
  • papas-57
    papas-57 25 February 2016 03: 37
    0
    I was interested in something else. "Back in 1988, on the initiative of Captain Vladimir Kolganov, a kennel nursery was created at the Donetsk Higher Military Political School of Engineering Troops and Communications." What does the kennel kennel have to do with political workers of the engineering and communications troops? What do service dogs have to do with political officers? It seems they are not border guards and guardians. Moreover, the political officers. As it does not fit, the profile is slightly different. There is only one explanation - a business opened with the help of a `` shaggy paw '' in a government agency at government expense.
    1. TiRex
      TiRex 25 February 2016 12: 07
      0
      makes sense
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  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 24 February 2016 06: 40
    13
    There is enough lawlessness everywhere, including in Russia. And to talk about lawlessness there, in the Donbass ... A bunch of gangs on both sides, protection, a sea of ​​arms on hand. Yes, nothing Zakharchenko will do nothing.
    And when there is chaos in the country, every rabble climbs into power. Let them understand themselves.
    1. himanru
      himanru 24 February 2016 11: 52
      18
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Let them understand themselves.

      And how do you think you can deal with this? Do you believe that someone is choosing someone here? For all positions, starting with the highest, people put - on top. Brain and Dremov appealed upstairswhat came of it?
      1. Belarus
        Belarus 24 February 2016 12: 44
        16
        I completely agree with you. In fact, if the republics want to be not a menagerie but something similar to a structure or a republic, then you can’t breed a farmyard in your rear.
        And I want to say to Alexander Romanov: you have officials in the Russian Federation who beat a woman impudently and without fear and beat anyone (in a position and who then has a miscarriage) and simply because the wife intervened for her husband and so on and so on You respected position in the Donbass boils down to the fact that: your shirt is closer to the body.
        I have a question for you: what would you do in a similar situation ????????????
        1. shvn
          shvn 24 February 2016 14: 18
          0
          Cool asked! Probably I would "cry and run away" ... there is not even a pistol in the storehouse ...
    2. Loner_53
      Loner_53 24 February 2016 14: 34
      +8
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And when there is chaos in the country, every rabble climbs into power. Let them understand themselves.

      Chet Alexander. You began to pour mud on LDNR so violently? They are changing, and it's a pity, I wonder where the wind blows on you? Sorry. sadYou can not answer, I don’t intend to go to the site where the Russian Spring is quietly buried. I remain with respect to the forum users Medved SL
    3. gladcu2
      gladcu2 24 February 2016 18: 14
      +1
      Alexander Romanov

      Zakharchenko has no way out. Gotta do.

      True, they say that there is always a way out. But this is most likely the last chance, charity to yourself.
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 24 February 2016 06: 42
    13
    So far, at the front, there is a "relative" calm in the republics, everything is being divided up to which the hand can reach from me - paramilitary clans are being created and by force and threat they take away what to look at. Legalized anarchy is the state in which the republics live.
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 February 2016 06: 59
      16
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      So far, at the front, there is a "relative" calm in the republics, everything is being divided up to which the hand can reach

      such an impression that these * republics * the size of Russia’s spread - divide - divide, everything cannot be redone.
      Somalia - a local spill - for which they fought for it and ran into it.
      Oranges do not grow on aspen.
      When gangsters are in power (more precisely, people from organized crime groups) - what else to expect
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      Legalized anarchy is the state in which the republics live.

      There the situation is even worse than in Ukraine.
      The thieves are the same, only the complete absence of elementary law.
      New Russia, the power of the people, social justice - this was stated.? But in fact, the worst version of 90's
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 February 2016 07: 16
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        such an impression that these * republics * the size of Russia’s spread - divide - divide, everything cannot be redone.

        Hi Sanya! One gang came, took the good. Within a week another gang came, abruptly and more numerous. -Took and divided the previously taken and divided.
        Another week passed, the third gang appeared - Vlast called itself. It piled the first and the second and took the last from another, who were not at all in business. In short, they robbed everyone, put things in order and left.
        Fourth arrived, they’re already taking no money, but they need money. The fifth gang came, looked around him, there’s absolutely nothing to take. What should I do? The leader of the fifth gang, bought a chair at the city hall and went to rob according to the law what belongs to anyone who is not clear at all.
        I forgot about the fourth gang, and hell knows where it is. A gang arrived, machine-guns rattled and wound, somewhere.
        Glory to Anarchy drinks
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 February 2016 07: 53
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Hi Sanya!

          Hi Sanya !!!

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I got one gang, they took the good. A week later another gang got abruptly and more numerous. I took and divided the previously taken and divided.

          well it’s clear

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Glory to Anarchy

          mother of order laughing
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 24 February 2016 09: 04
          +7
          both sled hello! hi first: Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Glory to Anarchy ... and secondly, everything is as old as the world ... "the whites will come and plunder, the red ones will come and plunder ..." KF "Chapaev"
        3. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 24 February 2016 10: 17
          24
          Quote: atalef
          There the situation is even worse than in Ukraine.
          The thieves are the same, only the complete absence of elementary law.
          New Russia, the power of the people, social justice - this was stated.? But in fact, the worst version of 90's


          Interesting. As soon as a hot topic is indicated on VO, an Israeli employee appears, a friend of moderator Romanov atalef, diligently sowing all kinds of discord. Is it better to see where is "worse" from Israel?

          For example, I cannot agree that it is allowed in the territory that calls itself a country, including to deputies of the Rada, to burn people alive as in Odessa Khatyn, to bomb, shoot from MLRS and large-caliber orphanages, schools, churches, hospitals, water intakes and other objects of civilian infrastructure; to arrange a water, food, energy blockade of vast territories with the goal of genocide of millions of people. And to rob the defenseless in Ukraine ...

          I personally understand why the Israeli atalef calls IT the presence of "elementary law."
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 24 February 2016 10: 50
            -2
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            an Israeli officer appears

            Who does Sanya work for? belay
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            Is it better to see where is "worse" from Israel?

            no, probably better from Moscow ... yes
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            And to rob the defenseless in Ukraine ...

            and in the DPR and LPR rob the protected? what let's still objectively draw up our "assaults", argued or something ...
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 24 February 2016 15: 11
              +2
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              an Israeli officer appears

              Who does Sanya work for? belay
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              Is it better to see where is "worse" from Israel?

              no, probably better from Moscow ... yes
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              And to rob the defenseless in Ukraine ...

              and in the DPR and LPR rob the protected? what let's still objectively draw up our "assaults", argued or something ...

              =====
              and how did your comrade from Israel reasonably prove that it is worse in the Donbas than in Ukraine. in material terms, in everyday life, there is no doubt.
          2. Chisayna
            Chisayna 24 February 2016 15: 03
            0
            Do not forget that "this" Israel has a wife from Ukraine. And some other relatives. Considering that "them" in Ukraine are like flies ... That is why he is so biased towards Russia.
        4. himanru
          himanru 24 February 2016 12: 13
          +9
          In your opinion, it turns out that "bandits" stood up to protect the people in 2014? Original.
          Of course, it’s stupid to deny that a lot of all the bastards who want to profit from joining the ranks of patriots are silly. But the real sad situation became possible due to the fact that while some fought, others plundered and received mandates
          1. shvn
            shvn 24 February 2016 14: 22
            +4
            And yet, Israel knows better ... There are many of them everywhere, they all know and organize everything, so they can do anything
            1. Chisayna
              Chisayna 24 February 2016 15: 19
              +3
              The guarantor himself gave "them" a guarantee of safety, saying, now not in 37, but in 37, Comrade Stalin destroyed this pack of mad dogs. That is why "they" are everywhere.
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      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 24 February 2016 08: 19
        -12 qualifying.
        Quote: atalef
        There the situation is even worse than in Ukraine.
        The thieves are the same, only the complete absence of elementary law.
        New Russia, the power of the people, social justice - this was stated.? But in fact, the worst version of 90's

        ... one man - they’re calling him GDP, haven’t they heard? - warned: Kolya, don’t! early, early ... here are the toys, play for now ...
        So no - I wanted to shoot ...
        1. tomket
          tomket 24 February 2016 10: 30
          11
          Quote: CONTROL
          ... one man - they’re calling him GDP, haven’t they heard? - warned: Kolya, don’t!

          And before that he said - Come on! Hold on! Way back home!
          1. shvn
            shvn 24 February 2016 14: 23
            11
            Yeah, and "we do not give up our own" and about the "Russian world" something ...
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 24 February 2016 19: 34
            +1
            tomket

            GDP said for the Crimea, "the way home." For the DPR and LPR, there was a warning not to start a referendum. Something didn't work.
      3. mirag2
        mirag2 24 February 2016 08: 36
        +2
        such an impression that these * republics * the size of the Russian divide - divide - divide, do not redo everything
        - it is not the size of the "delimigo" that matters, but the number of "dividing" ones.
      4. Warrior Hamilton
        Warrior Hamilton 24 February 2016 12: 02
        +4
        Those who wanted social justice have long been shot, defamed, or made to them an offer "which cannot be refused." It's amazing, where did the sectarians Kurginyan and Starikov go? And how, not long ago they shone with minds! Have you already said everything or is the process going according to plan?
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 24 February 2016 19: 44
          0
          Warrior Hamilton

          When in 1917 the Bolsheviks took power, only one person knew what to do with this power. The rest took up office posts and set about idleness.

          But that one with a sarcastic grin rubbed his hands with pleasure, and then he issued the GOERLO plan. First, the truth is to nationalize the bank. It was not difficult. Sent a sailor rewound with machine gun tapes. And he brought him a seal, a banking one.
          1. Warrior Hamilton
            Warrior Hamilton 25 February 2016 09: 48
            0
            Somehow I'm so lucky or we live at such a time that I saw how they "take" power. The first time in Moscow, the second in Ukraine. You can "take" it only when it is lying around and for this you do not need a sailor rewound with machine-gun belts. Any drunk will do. Then on him, as on a sacrificial black goat, you can shove everything, eZhli Che. You, as a participant and eyewitness of the events, would be better off telling about the GOERLO plan at a meeting with the pioneers of the Pavlik Morozov squad of school No. 13 ........ Yes, I'm not your advisor ... hi
  • Chulman
    Chulman 24 February 2016 06: 42
    0
    Predictions come true! This is just the beginning. Ukrainians they are in Africa Ukrainians! And then there’s a weapon on hand, and a mess in the country, so get it in the face! It was necessary to close the borders at the very beginning of this mess! We chew snot all our lives: either brothers or relatives, then you and I are of the same blood, and so on! To be continued for many decades. Or it was necessary to crush this Bandera nits at the very beginning, so as not to understand where in ... whether !!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 February 2016 07: 02
      +7
      Quote: Chulman
      Predictions come true! This is just the beginning. Ukrainians they are in Africa Ukrainians!

      Of course, how to fight - it’s kind of because the Russians are in Novorossia and this is Russian land. And like bandits-so Ukrainians laughing
      Quote: Chulman
      And then there’s a weapon on hand, and a mess in the country, so get it in the face!

      You haven’t messed up anything? It's about Donetsk
      Quote: Chulman
      Or it was necessary to crush this Bandera nits at the very beginning, so as not to understand where in ... whether !!!!!!!!!!!!

      Gap template, we are talking about Donetsk, Karl !!!!
    2. midivan
      midivan 24 February 2016 07: 14
      14
      Quote: Chulman
      Or it was necessary to crush this Bandera nits at the very beginning, so as not to understand where in ... whether !!!!!!!!!!!!

      the fact is that the article does not mention Nida Bandera, but here has its own Nida from one trench, this is the worst thing when the loot is above the principles
      1. xBoris
        xBoris 24 February 2016 08: 32
        +9
        Judging by the record "no feats" on the fronts of Novorossiya, most likely the lads are pushing their own into power.
        Once this is done - .. hard there will be ..
        Bandits, they are bandits. Only a bullet will stop them.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 24 February 2016 13: 28
          -3
          Quote: xBoris
          Judging by the record "no feats" on the fronts of Novorossiya, most likely the lads are pushing their own into power.
          Once this is done - .. hard there will be ..
          Bandits, they are bandits. Only a bullet will stop them.

          Well, the Ukrainians seem to have driven out President Yanukovych, twice convicted and three times under investigation, who, probably, with the help of the lads, took over the presidency. And the case under discussion is the pure power of the "lads" not restrained by any state institutions. So simple Dombasians got like chickens in cabbage soup with a small choice either to flee from there or to accept the lawlessness, there is really a third extreme way. For the father of an unborn child, take a grenade launcher and reckon with one specific lawless man, since the name and place of work and the car are known.
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 24 February 2016 20: 24
            +1
            Semurg.

            Do not rush with advice.

            "Chickens to the nip," that's right.

            They asked the war veteran. "Grandpa, are you a hero?" "No, sonny. The heroes remained in the war, and I'm just a soldier."
            So, just everyone wants to be soldiers.

            Leaders want to be 90% of the complete idiots who need to be driven away, but it’s better to strangle them right away so that they do not produce their seed. Only a small percentage can be a leader, and only a small percentage of them wants and can. And without the leader of the country will not be, as well as without the commander of the soldiers.
    3. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 24 February 2016 07: 23
      14
      Quote: Chulman
      Ukrainians they are in Africa Ukrainians!

      But what about "yes, all ours in Donbass!", "We are not abandoning our own!" laughing
      Quote: Chulman
      Or it was necessary to crush this Bandera nits at the very beginning, so that

      and how would that help? This would not have changed the nature of homo sapiens if it had not pressed. Here, at VO, back in passionary times, when Girkin was a favorite of patriots and all the irons of the country were broadcasting about "Novorossiya", the rare voices of "doubting Makarov" were heard that sooner or later everything would end with "bratkovism" dealt with them in their own manner - minuses, labels of "all-propals" and advice "to blame the censor." Roman, by the way, also often got it.
    4. camin
      camin 24 February 2016 09: 02
      -2
      and then they wonder why Russia didn’t recognize them - to see the intelligence correctly analyzed everything.
  • forester
    forester 24 February 2016 06: 45
    24
    Yes, this article does not pour on the mill of dill. Revolutions make romantics and use their scum results. Among these belyaevs, we must look for the culprits of the murderer Mozgovoy and other honest defenders of Donbass
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 February 2016 07: 39
      -8
      Quote: forester
      Revolutions make romantics use their scum results

      And after a while * romantics * turn (propaganda) into the 5 column, and the brothers into heroes.
      Quote: forester
      from among such Belyaevs and one must look for the perpetrators of the murderer Mozgovoy and other honest defenders of Donbass

      one gang from another sphere of influence shared.
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 24 February 2016 08: 33
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        one gang from another sphere of influence shared.

        autophagy is characteristic of banditocracy. They will devour themselves. What are the hopes hoping for. And I must say, not baselessly.
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        2. atalef
          atalef 24 February 2016 11: 40
          -4
          Quote: Zeppelin ml.
          Quote: atalef
          one gang from another sphere of influence shared.

          autophagy is characteristic of banditocracy. They will devour themselves. .

          New ones will come in their place, look how much has already been
          Where are the whole brothers of the first wave from Strelkova, Boroday, the mayor of Slavyansk, this stuffed animal, how is it? Well, the people's mayor - are there all of them already (you will mention those who have changed in a year)
          Well, of course, we add the fathers - the commanders - Dremov, the brain.
          Some get drunk, others come
          Quote: Zeppelin ml.
          What are the hopes hoping for. And I must say, not baselessly.

          Of course, I always wrote that Poroshenko will drag out time. while either Russia DLNR salts or the people are already going to be brutalized, they themselves will begin to tear them to pieces.
      2. padded jacket
        padded jacket 24 February 2016 10: 52
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        one gang from another sphere of influence shared.

        Or maybe just under the sensitive and responsible leadership of Zakharchenko, Donbass is cleared of various potential and real traitors?
        For example, recently Kofman, the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, was dismissed, they say, the enemy was in disguise and "poured water on the mill" of the Kiev regime.
        Zakharchenko fired the head of the Foreign Ministry of the DNI Kofman
        The head of the Donetsk People’s Republic Alexander Zakharchenko dismissed the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic Alexander Kofman, the corresponding decree is published on the official website of the self-proclaimed DPR.
        http://ria.ru/world/20160223/1379062931.html
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          2. atalef
            atalef 24 February 2016 11: 17
            -2
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Or maybe just under the sensitive and responsible leadership of Zakharchenko, Donbass is cleared of various potential and real traitors?


            Quote: quilted jacket
            Zakharchenko fired the head of the Foreign Ministry of the DNI Kofman


            By another decree, Zakharchenko appointed Acting Foreign Minister Natalya Nikonorova.

            particularly impressive education and work experience
            experience

            Assistant Consultant to the People's Deputy of Ukraine

            from 09.2006 to the present time (9 years 5 months)
            The apparatus of the Supreme Council of Ukraine (legislative, expert-legal)

            Education

            Higher

            with 09.2005 on 06.2006
            Kiev National University of Economics, Legal, Legal Regulation of Economic Activities, Kiev.

            Incomplete higher education

            with 09.2001 on 06.2005
            International Solomon University, Law, Law, Kiev.

            Additional education

            Kiev Institute of State and Law. V.M. Koretsky (postgraduate study) (2008 - currently a graduate student of the Department of Constitutional Law and Local Government)

            Moscow Gestalt Institute (psychotherapy) (2008 - to the present)

            Interregional Academy of Personnel Management (2012 - to the present (psychology))

            although she herself doesn’t call whose expert she calls, of course 6 years of work as assistant to the deputy - this is the term
            Professional skills

            Computer skills, software

            PC at the level of confident user (MS Office, Internet)

            Monitoring and analytics of the current legislation - an expert, I am currently using 6 years of experience.

            Writing draft laws, decrees, requests - an expert, I am currently using 6 years of experience.

            Work with appeals of citizens and legal entities - an expert, I am currently using 6 years of experience.

            Legal support of contracts - medium, currently using 4 years of experience.

            Drafting procedural documents - average, currently using 4 years of experience.

            Work with debtors (including in court. Order) - average, currently using, 2 years of experience.

            uniquely for * business * qualities chose laughing
            I would also like to have such a head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, moreover, in the literal and figurative sense
            laughing
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 24 February 2016 11: 42
              0
              Quote: atalef
              particularly impressive education and work experience

              Well, although the experience is not great, but it seems that the person is honest and decent, but according to this Koffman it was immediately noticeable - a potential traitor.
              Just look at this "gobbled" happy face - you can see the children of Donbaass left without humanitarian aid from Russia.

              Quote: atalef
              uniquely for * business * qualities chose

              Well, if she is smart and also a spectacular woman, this is an additional "plus" for her.
              1. atalef
                atalef 24 February 2016 11: 51
                -2
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Well, if she is smart and also a spectacular woman, this is an additional "plus" for her.

                of course plus laughing to the level of pleasure.
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 24 February 2016 12: 06
                  +5
                  Quote: atalef
                  Of course, plus laughing, to the level of pleasure.

                  Again, other people purely measure yourself?
                  Maybe she’s just a good specialist and a patriot of Donbass.
                  Parade for Defender of the Fatherland Day in the city of Rovenky (LNR)
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                  2. bk316
                    bk316 24 February 2016 17: 26
                    +3
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    Again, other people purely measure yourself?

                    He’s not at ease, he judges by his presidents and prime ministers. laughing
                    Do not remember why their prezik Katsav is shaking the term, even Yanukovych cannot "boast" of such an article.
              2. padded jacket
                padded jacket 24 February 2016 13: 36
                +2
                In how different amateurs of Kofmanov amicably amused me
                I even immediately improved my mood laughing
                1. Zeppelin ml.
                  Zeppelin ml. 24 February 2016 14: 16
                  -7
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  In how different amateurs of Kofmanov amicably amused me

                  Vatnik, your anti-Semitism is hardly appropriate here. Appointment of this subret with the appearance of "shoulder", of course, sharply increases the authority of the state institutions of the DPR (if we can talk about such at all).
                2. Chisayna
                  Chisayna 24 February 2016 14: 49
                  +1
                  Well, the gang is one. Koffman, Katz and others.
            2. slot
              slot 24 February 2016 11: 57
              +6
              Quote: atalef
              I would also like to have such a head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, moreover, in the literal and figurative sense
              laughing

              It’s ridiculously strong, your body can’t cope, all the same age. For starters, at least you tried to capitalize on your young secretary. Hero-lover pancake.laughing
              1. atalef
                atalef 24 February 2016 12: 31
                0
                Quote: slot
                It’s ridiculously strong, your body can’t cope, all the same age. For starters, at least you tried to capitalize on your young secretary. Hero-lover pancake

                Valera, well, you’re not hammering me into tanks, you didn’t take me for that.
                Shtirlits of you certainly no. So partisan Krasnoyarsk. no more. laughing
                1. slot
                  slot 24 February 2016 12: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  Valera, well, you’re not hammering me into tanks, you didn’t take me for that.
                  Shtirlits of you certainly no. So partisan Krasnoyarsk. no more

                  Not hiding even once. hi
                  Alexander, I look, you don’t waste time in vain, you frame the girls here. First Diana, then Tatyana, apparently Elena Gromova is in line. As they say, gray hair in a pace, a demon in the ribs. love
                  Get excited, otherwise I’ll tell your wife about the tricks of her faithful. yes
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 24 February 2016 12: 51
                    -3
                    Quote: slot
                    Alexander, I look, you don’t waste time in vain, you frame girls here. First Diana, then Tatyana


                    Diana? belay
                    you’ve completely drunk Valera on 23.
                    Diana and Gromova in the same nursery may be, although unlikely, he (as described in the article) - was defeated.
                    Quote: slot
                    then Tatyana

                    In order to be later, we must deal with the first.
                    Very Valero you hard.

                    Stubbornness (as I wrote to you more than once) is the first sign of stupidity.
                    Start already to communicate adequately, maybe they will stop banning?
                    1. slot
                      slot 24 February 2016 13: 00
                      0
                      Quote: atalef
                      Diana and Gromova in the same nursery may be

                      Harem started mean. belay
                      Quote: atalef
                      Stubbornness (as I wrote to you more than once) is the first sign of stupidity.
                      Start already to communicate adequately, maybe they will stop banning?

                      Eh, not only me banyat. Well there is another reason.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 24 February 2016 13: 10
                        0
                        Quote: slot
                        Mean harem started

                        with such a harem on vaccines against rabies go broke

                        Quote: slot
                        Eh, not only me banyat. Well there is another reason

                        you know it better.
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                      3. slot
                        slot 24 February 2016 13: 22
                        0
                        Quote: atalef

                        with such a harem on vaccines against rabies go broke

                        You won’t go broke, after all, you raise 6 counts of tanks a month and this is only at official work.
                        Quote: atalef
                        you know it better.

                        Naturally. Then maybe I'll tell you in PM what and how.
                      4. atalef
                        atalef 24 February 2016 13: 25
                        -1
                        Quote: slot
                        Don't go broke

                        we have expensive veterinarians

                        Quote: slot
                        after all, you raise 6 stake counts a month and this is only at official work

                        and * cola * - how much?
                      5. slot
                        slot 24 February 2016 13: 37
                        +2
                        Quote: atalef
                        we have expensive veterinarians

                        What is disturbing to me for you. Throw nonsense to do and be treated by human doctors.
                        Quote: atalef
                        and * cola * - how much?

                        This is youth slang. And a specific word means a thousand. Don’t worry, I’ll teach you the modern Russian language, and for free. Due to my good attitude towards you.
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          3. padded jacket
            padded jacket 24 February 2016 12: 56
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Valera, why don’t you hammer me tanks

            That this "radio operator" has appeared again? Directly "do not kill" as you atalef him under one nickname he is banned under another.
            Are you not brothers by chance? smile
            1. slot
              slot 24 February 2016 13: 16
              -2
              Quote: quilted jacket
              That this "radio operator" appeared again?

              Vatnik, an old friend, yes, I showed up again. It’s necessary for someone, the main site-informer, to keep my tone at least somehow. Otherwise, from Jews, paranoia has developed in a serious form for a long time. smile
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 24 February 2016 13: 28
                +3
                Quote: slot
                Vatnik, an old friend, yes, I showed up again. But to someone, you are a snitch, at least to keep you in good shape.

                You keep in good shape? belay
                Yes, you only know how that the Jews to the Russians "radio" and the Russians "radio" to the Jews.
                It looks like you perfectly learned Morse code smile
                I did not even think that I would encounter such a "specimen" in my life in today's time during the Second World War, like in concentration camps, I suppose the overseers were similar "informers and informers."
                1. slot
                  slot 24 February 2016 13: 39
                  -5
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  I didn't even think that I would come across such a "specimen" in my life

                  If you had come across me in real life, then I would have cured you of the blueness.
                2. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 24 February 2016 13: 46
                  +2
                  Quote: slot
                  If you in real collided with me, then I would have you from the blues

                  That another Jewish Anika warrior showed up for a couple with atalef, probably a giant boxer lol
                  Poor "little radio operator" smile
                3. slot
                  slot 24 February 2016 13: 50
                  0
                  I still can’t understand why you are shy, disdain and ashamed of your Jewish origin.
        2. atalef
          atalef 24 February 2016 13: 23
          -1
          Quote: quilted jacket
          That this "radio operator" appeared again?

          Well, in terms of level and speed * knock *. Padded jacket, you are generally out of any competition.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 24 February 2016 13: 56
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            Well, in terms of level and speed * knock *. Padded jacket, you are generally out of any competition.

            Oh don’t need atalef how much you and your Jewish army wrote to me the calculation does not lend itself to.
            You, too, probably did this when you were hiding from Hamas missiles in the basement, although this is your business, continue to communicate with your fellow believer "valera".
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            2. atalef
              atalef 24 February 2016 14: 00
              -2
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Oh no atalef how much are you

              But this Vatnik do not lie, I never wrote to anyone.
              Unlike you.

              Quote: quilted jacket
              continue to communicate with your fellow believer "Valera".


              Quote: slot
              I still can’t understand why you are shy, disdain and ashamed of your Jewish origin.

              You’ll deal with each other, for starters. laughing
            3. slot
              slot 24 February 2016 14: 02
              -2
              Quote: quilted jacket
              continue to communicate with your fellow believer "Valera".

              Oh, atalef turns out to be Orthodox, that’s how it turns. Apparently he became an arrest in the call of the heart.
              And you continue to sneak up on others, like a little girl, you do it superbly.
    2. vlad_vlad
      vlad_vlad 24 February 2016 14: 54
      +4
      inspired:
      there are 2 businessmen:
      - I have a new secretary, knows 5 languages, 3 hanging formations, dresses fashionably ...
      - I also have a new clerk, and also smart.
      - and how to dress?
      - quickly
      smile
  • Zeppelin ml.
    Zeppelin ml. 24 February 2016 12: 25
    0
    Quote: atalef
    in the literal and figurative sense

    xs ... blonde from the escort of Piskun.
  • ty60
    ty60 25 February 2016 15: 46
    0
    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, well, my friend! Such mistakes are not typical for you. And the girl who pays the music is dancing. Odessa! hi
  • Zeppelin ml.
    Zeppelin ml. 24 February 2016 12: 15
    0
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Or maybe just under the sensitive and responsible leadership of Zakharchenko, Donbass is cleared of various potential and real traitors?
    For example, recently Kofman

    ah, revolutionary romance ... "Maximilian, I am waiting for you, you will follow me!" (c) laughing
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 24 February 2016 12: 30
      -1
      Quote: Zeppelin ml.
      ah, revolutionary romance ..

      Significantly better than the romance of the revolution than outright traitors.
      Quote: Zeppelin-ml
      xs ... blonde from the escort of Piskun.

      Well, it’s clear not Kofman laughing
      Kofman and the like in the DPR leadership seem to be much more comfortable with you.
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    2. atalef
      atalef 24 February 2016 12: 46
      0
      Quote: Zeppelin ml.
      Quote: quilted jacket
      Or maybe just under the sensitive and responsible leadership of Zakharchenko, Donbass is cleared of various potential and real traitors?
      For example, recently Kofman

      ah, revolutionary romance ... "Maximilian, I am waiting for you, you will follow me!" (c) laughing

      Read her comment, last sentence

      not familiar types

      laughing
      Foreign Minister, colleague of Lavrov ...
      What did he say there about these? laughing
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        2. atalef
          atalef 24 February 2016 13: 51
          -2
          Quote: Zeppelin ml.
          Quote: atalef
          Read her comment, last sentence

          Well, but - a creative class ..
          I think the freshness of decisions and the unexpectedness of moves will please ...

          as befits the Foreign Minister, the first visit is to Egypt.
          laughing
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  • Mula
    Mula 24 February 2016 06: 50
    +9
    Judging by this publication, as well as individual messages "from the fields" (classmates), I do not know how the LPR, but the DPR has turned into a Bratkovskaya settlement. Where they squeeze everything out of everyone and as best they can! The Akhmetovskys are trying to keep their own, the "new Donetsk" are trying to squeeze out for themselves!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 24 February 2016 08: 51
      +8
      Quote: Mulia
      The Akhmetovskys are trying to keep their own, the "new Donetsk" are trying to squeeze out for themselves!

      Yes, not the new Donetsk, but the oligarchs behind them, including the Russian ones. "Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic. A Shot Dream" History repeats itself! And not always in the form of a farce.
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 24 February 2016 12: 50
      0
      Quote: Mulia
      Judging by this publication, as well as individual messages "from the fields" (classmates), I do not know how the LPR, but the DPR has turned into a Bratkovsk settlement.

      I would not, based on the publications and statements of some classmates, form an opinion about the DPR.
  • Masya masya
    Masya masya 24 February 2016 06: 56
    10
    Truly ... "God forbid you to live in an era of change!" - Confucius
    "Of course, I went over a bit. They won't run away. They didn't fight for that."
    It remains only to wish courage and perseverance!
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 24 February 2016 07: 11
      +2
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Truly ... "God forbid you to live in an era of change!" - Confucius

      Russified version with an appeal to God. Actually, this is the Chinese curse - "May you live in an era of change!"
  • Hubun
    Hubun 24 February 2016 07: 11
    +7
    To the wall of the "general" !!!!
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 February 2016 07: 40
      +5
      Quote: Hubun
      To the wall of the "general" !!!!

      Those standing in line * colonels * will be glad of this.
  • warriordima
    warriordima 24 February 2016 07: 16
    +5
    That's right, you need to raise the noise, let the tricks roll everywhere, otherwise everything will be frozen and the top will be like in Donetsk like in the Crimean Bakhchisarai ala 90s. You need to plant these nits for corrective labor work to restore the city.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 24 February 2016 08: 35
      +4
      Quote: warriordima
      That's right, you need to raise the noise, let the tricks roll everywhere, otherwise everything will be frozen and the top will be like in Donetsk like in the Crimean Bakhchisarai ala 90s. You need to plant these nits for corrective labor work to restore the city.

      ... a case from life (last year):
      Well, they "dashed off" applications, "bamagi" ... were published in the net ... (on a similar incident and also in Donetsk!)
      So from there - from Donetsk - a delegation of "Cossacks" rolled in: in jeeps, in hats, with "herrings" and Kalash (for disassembly, therefore) - the border was "locked"! ...
      They did not get to the victims: they stopped at the first intersection, so-and-so ... the line of "Cossacks" from the Kalash led to the fact that all the jeeps suddenly stalled (electronic ignition ... eh!) For no apparent reason (only the radio stopped working, and mobiles), disarmed ... and escorted home with honor ... Not far to the border ...
  • PKK
    PKK 24 February 2016 07: 19
    -1
    Vladimir needed to buy a "fly" and at the moment to nip this Minister of Health. Not for that.
  • GRAY
    GRAY 24 February 2016 07: 43
    +9
    We managed to find out quickly about him

    Nobody recognized the campaign. The photo in the article (Belyaeva and his wife) was taken from the VKontakte page, on which there is nothing besides the photo and "school 31", the page looks like a fake one and the article looks like a fake one because it is copy-paste.
    I would not rush to conclusions, there are doubts.
    And the nursery contacts are:
    Donetsk city Clinical 7
    Phones: +380660664215 +380632430812 - Tatiana Kolganova.
    Mail: [email protected]
    Website: http://kolganov.dn.ua
    There is no closing information on the site - which is strange.
    1. SPACE59
      SPACE59 24 February 2016 08: 02
      +6
      I would not rush to conclusions

      The only sensible comment! I have to think at least a little, I also wanted to scribble something angry, but just in time I came across GRAY's comment. We must wait. After all, if this is stuffing, then look how a large audience of the site was immediately turned against the authorities of the DPR. Isn't that what the uropa need? And some comrades (who are not comrades to us at all) are directly shouting with pleasure "But we warned, there are only bandits, they are almost worse than the Banderovites."
      1. xBoris
        xBoris 24 February 2016 08: 34
        +3
        .. I agree..
        Maybe stuffing.
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 24 February 2016 10: 51
        +2
        Quote: KOSMOS59
        After all, if this is a stuffing, then look how a large audience of the site was immediately opposed to the DNI authorities.
        Yes, the DNR authorities are setting themselves up against themselves - the other day Kofman was replaced by a certain Nikanorov, 31 years old is the new Minister of Foreign Affairs of the DNR.
      3. himanru
        himanru 24 February 2016 13: 35
        +2
        Comrades Who Shout, perhaps a little more familiar with the setting? Do you ask the residents of Donbass if this situation is surprising for them?
        However, sometimes it seems to me that people have gone crazy - and no wonder, in such an environment. Some gloating bastards write to people who have suffered in this conflict: "It's not enough for you!"
        By the way, there are plenty of such stories
    2. Oml
      Oml 24 February 2016 08: 28
      -5
      Definitely an article from the rumors, most likely provocative.
      1. himanru
        himanru 24 February 2016 13: 40
        +3
        I want to believe in the best, right?
    3. CONTROL
      CONTROL 24 February 2016 08: 39
      -3
      [quote = GRAY] [quote] The article is similar to fake because it is copy-paste.
      I would not rush to conclusions, there are doubts.
      On the site there is no information about the closure - which is strange. [/ Quote]
      There was a mess in Donetsk, that's true - and for quite a long time, until mid-14th somewhere; but - they were taken abruptly, and most importantly - on the sly, without much "publishing" ...
    4. Egoza
      Egoza 24 February 2016 08: 54
      +3
      Quote: GRAY
      There is no closing information on the site - which is strange.

      Did they have time to report the closure? By the way, some warriors in the Armed Forces of Ukraine boast of elite puppies of German shepherds. WHERE?
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 24 February 2016 09: 45
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        Did they have time to report the closure?

        But the explanatory of the police is quoted, in the article, easily.
        So I want to ask - where are the woods from?
      2. inferno_nv
        inferno_nv 24 February 2016 12: 04
        +1
        There were a lot of kennels in Donetsk before the war, I took a German puppy there back in 2013, I’m satisfied, the dog is excellent! So it’s not necessary that the puppies of the APU warrior are from this kennel! hi
    5. Capricorn
      Capricorn 24 February 2016 08: 55
      +4
      I support you. And then we have already learned not to trust too emotional and inciting to a sense of justice and immediate action to condemn the villains. It can be both true and false. Persuade only numbers, facts and common sense. This is not enough in the article. But I think that the topic deserves to be continued.
    6. 1rl141
      1rl141 24 February 2016 11: 42
      +1
      It also seemed to me that something was wrong here ... Why do you need the land of the nursery, if next to the fence is ownerless? And why did the “general” have to expel Kolganov from the ownerless land? After all, judging by what was described, Kolganov brought his belongings to the ownerless land and conducted classes already there? Only Kolganov himself can clarify the situation.
      I won't be surprised if he doesn't even know that he has already been "beaten and kicked out" from his land.
      On the site there are people from Donetsk. Get to the street. Clinical 7, take an interest, and then tell us here.
    7. himanru
      himanru 24 February 2016 13: 27
      10
      The information in the article is correct. The nursery has not been working for the second week. I’ll clarify, there the customers suffered at the time of the showdown. There is their testimony. True, the cops returned the car, but the nursery with all the property appropriated this scum in uniform. The investigation is not informed of the victims.
      So this is not fake. I clarified the information from a direct source.
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 24 February 2016 14: 52
        +1
        I, too, have no reason to not trust the author of the article.
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 24 February 2016 18: 34
          -2
          Quote: Megatron
          I, too, have no reason to not trust the author of the article.

          Do you know who the author is, bro?
          The article appeared on VO on February 24th, and on the Internet on the 23rd.
          Use the search engine and get interested.
          He has no reason ... protoplasm ...
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 24 February 2016 18: 42
        +1
        Quote: himanru
        The information in the article is correct.

        I do not know what kind of direct source you have, but I suppose, "from the ceiling" Nobody writes here. In the morning I wrote to the site's mail, and so far - silence .. I suspect that they will not answer. If they answer, I will unsubscribe. hi
        By the way, fresh entries on the site are also not visible ..
        1. himanru
          himanru 24 February 2016 19: 46
          +1
          Why do you allow yourself such accusations? - I intentionally did not indicate the source so that the person would not be hurt. Does it seem strange to you? Dismiss from additional clarifications.
          I don’t know if they will answer you from the site. Try calling the numbers indicated.
          1. Victor-M
            Victor-M 25 February 2016 10: 09
            +1
            Quote: himanru
            Why do you allow yourself such accusations? - I intentionally did not indicate the source so that the person would not be hurt. Does it seem strange to you? Dismiss from additional clarifications.

            Such a good excuse. Something reminds what but remembered yes , these are the words of Gosdlep "... we have proof, but we will not show them to you, because they are secret ..." wink laughing
    8. GRAY
      GRAY 24 February 2016 17: 24
      0
      I see a couple of minuses here. To me, like a marshal of an entire galaxy, these cons are deep in the drum.
      I love constructive - write better in words.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 February 2016 07: 44
    +1
    An ugly burp of anarchy. It is rather the NEP that happened after the revolution. From the point of view of the bandits - a complete lafa. Well, they shot and transplanted them pretty quickly. Such "generals" were the first to go under the knife. And this one will go. Once manifested.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 24 February 2016 10: 41
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Such "generals" were the first to go under the knife. And this one will go. Once manifested.

      .. History does not necessarily repeat itself. Our people from the 90s have become "respected businessmen and politicians." Although, in essence, they have not changed - except that instead of shooting, other methods are used.
  • Slavianin_37
    Slavianin_37 24 February 2016 07: 48
    +4
    If the devil knows what is going on in our Crimea, then anything can happen to these guys! I am talking about Temirgaliyev’s case, for example. But of course there is no such lawlessness with shooting! I’m wondering - is it like herpes in any organism or are these birthmarks of our wonderful neighbor of Ukraine?
  • Papapg
    Papapg 24 February 2016 07: 51
    0
    Like any revolution, even a small one is made by the "proletariat", that is, the free non-work of which to shoot and drink vodka. The smarter one takes power with the help of the Mauser, and it turns out that there is power, there is no culture, the Mauser does not roll, soon there will be a purge of the ranks, enemies of the people, the GULAG, and so on. Everything is as usual - the mountain gave birth to a mouse! But the Kremlin is to blame!
  • Viktor_24reg
    Viktor_24reg 24 February 2016 07: 52
    +5
    In the DPR, no worse than in Ukraine, it is not clear who is coming to power. This "general" has, for sure, neither education nor management experience. It is precisely such people who will squeeze out other people's property in the near future, ruin the life of normal people, etc. These thugs, in contrast to gr. Kolganov and other people who are able to work, who know what a family, children, etc. are, have nothing to lose. Hopefully gr. Kolganov will not disappear in the Russian Federation, we need such people, specialists in their field. And the "general" needs to wish to meet on his way the same as himself - let the foolish bullet understand.
  • Scout
    Scout 24 February 2016 07: 59
    +1
    I think it’s not so simple, you can write anything. But as in any state there can be all sorts of excesses ... if the laws of Ukraine do not apply to the territory of the DPR, then you need to somehow solve this issue according to other laws? But, to my knowledge, neither the Constitution did not issue any laws on entrepreneurial activity of the DPR. I could be wrong. While the war is going on, a lot can be attributed to it. But when there is a lull it is time to take up the laws
    1. Armax
      Armax 24 February 2016 11: 41
      +2
      Quote: Scout
      While the war is going on, much can be attributed to it. But when there is a lull it is time to take up the laws

      Yes, but the lull is not the end of the war, but in wartime there are laws.
      In the DPR, the war did not end in fact, which means that the relevant laws must act.
      Strelkov, at one time, did not let the Makhnovism go wild. He acted according to the laws of wartime and was right.
      Removed.
      Were Brain and Dream, ..... also not present.
      Now in New Russia as it is.
      Quote: Viktor_24reg
      Let the bullet fool understand.

      I hope, after all, not only a foolish bullet, but also the law will be in New Russia.
  • baudolino
    baudolino 24 February 2016 08: 05
    +1
    And why the appeal to Zakharchenko? They would have written right away to Putin.
    Or do you think that republics with infrastructure and order are created with a flick of the wrist? Enough to wish - and order ... You need to work. To everyone. And not complaints to roll, which you can believe, but you can check.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 24 February 2016 10: 37
      +1
      Basically, I disagree, but what about
      Quote: baudolino
      They would have written right away to Putin.
      - I think this would be more true: the address is more correct.
  • Vladycat
    Vladycat 24 February 2016 08: 27
    +2
    Experience suggests that during the revolution, any Go ... but! floats up. For an accomplished and busy person is not particularly interested in changing the current way of his life. There are, of course, ideological ones, but they are few. And when the active phase of changes ends, most often they also start to goofy, collecting dividends for their contribution to "prosperity." It is sad to watch such events. Again, one gets the feeling that in addition to the square, New Russia is also being added to the vaccination against all cattle. Vaccination is done, we are waiting for when healthy cells are increased by sick, or kaput :(
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 24 February 2016 14: 16
      +7
      Quote: Vladycat

      Vladycat


      Today, 08: 27




      Experience suggests that during the revolution all Go ... but! pops up

      There is a civil war during which just such mold-scum of people pops up ...

      What a nahh revolution, what a damn civil war ?! Doesn't anyone remember how it all came about? The oligarchs who financed the Maidan (Kolomoisky and Co.) decided to squeeze assets from the oligarchs behind Yanukovych (Akhmetov, Efremov, and Co.). Under this case, oligarchic PMCs were created (all sorts of good-natured people, for example Azov and Vostok - from different sides, respectively). Donetsk and Luhansk used the old technique - they began to blackmail Kiev with the possibility of secession. All this was already in 2005 (I personally remember the congress in Severodonetsk and others. Who does not know what I am talking about - take a look in Google). But this time, the global players - the United States and Russia - intervened almost openly. And the situation got out of the control of local oligarchs. But in fact, it remained as it was a gangster showdown. And everything else is propaganda, for hurray-patriots (and both on the Censor and on the VO, now there are full of absolutely psychologically identical characters). After all, for such "you do not need a knife", you will lie with three boxes and do with them "what you want". And the people, on both sides, the powers that be lit as suckers with tales of a better life.
      And essentially the article. I started my service in the USSR, and I have comrades in all the former republics (including on both sides of the conflict), so I have some information not from newspapers and TV. So, I did not find anything new for myself in this article. This, unfortunately, is the everyday life of people living in an area of ​​military conflict. As they like to write now: "this is a Donbass baby, a typical Donbass." For example: go to Donetsk and ask how many ordinary people have more or less normal cars on their hands. So, those who have no "roof" in the new structures - only dead cars. Anything more or less valuable is either squeezed out, or exported to Russia and Ukraine (whoever managed it), or sold (significantly lower than the price) by the owners themselves, out of harm's way. And so in everything!
      I will say in advance: to the minuses I have psychological immunity laughing I feel sorry for people.
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 24 February 2016 08: 36
    +5
    Well, it turns out, "Makhnovshchina" is somehow, not for the Reds, not for the Whites. Russia also condones this by helping "peace convoys". Famously, you can’t say anything. negative
  • drop
    drop 24 February 2016 08: 39
    +3
    And they told me that the law and strict discipline rule there. That is why they were able to resist the Ukrainians. Is this really true? I have the honor.
  • weksha50
    weksha50 24 February 2016 09: 00
    +7
    "How is something like that possible in a state that declares itself a people's republic and proclaims a complete departure from the lawlessness practiced in oligarchic Ukraine?"

    As possible ??? There is a civil war during which just such mold-scum of people pops up ...
    That's who you need to shoot without trial ... And they are sitting in power ...

    The novel focuses on the fact that: "How is it possible in a republic that proclaimed itself people's ? "...

    But, in my opinion, everything started with this, with the proclamation of "people's" ... Both ukrooligarchs and the Russian authorities were simply frightened of this name "people's" ... From where it all began, almost nothing left ... To great regret and regret ...

    PS Somehow disgusting from what has been read and done ... Especially from the impunity of such degenerates ...
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 24 February 2016 10: 34
      +2
      Quote: weksha50
      in my opinion, it all started with this, with the proclamation of "people's" ... Both ukrooligarchs and the Russian authorities were simply scared of this name "people's" ..

      APPLAUSE STANDING! yes good
  • oracul
    oracul 24 February 2016 09: 03
    +2
    Articles of this kind do not honor his author. The ability to draw thoughtful conclusions from a particular case is fortune-telling on coffee grounds. Even if this is true, then it is necessary to understand, and not to question everything that is being done in the Donbass, all the more in vain to recall Zakharchenko. There is a real war and struggle for survival. And the fact that in any revolution there is always a bunch of fellow travelers, among whom criminals were able to dodge themselves, hardly any of the more or less well-read people knows this. Strange article.
    1. Stauffenberg
      Stauffenberg 24 February 2016 09: 48
      +3
      By 1919, Soviet Russia was already a full-fledged state. In LDNR for two years, what the hell. Feel the difference.
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 24 February 2016 10: 32
      +4
      Quote: oracul
      The ability to draw thoughtful conclusions from a particular case is fortune-telling on coffee grounds

      Not a fan of Roman - frankly! Rather, the opposite. But this problem is not an isolated one. And she really is, here he is right .. Another question is whether it makes sense to blame only Zakharchenko for this? The real "solvers" are not at all in the DPR.
    3. Megatron
      Megatron 24 February 2016 15: 00
      +2
      This statement of yours does not honor you.
      Type chopped wood - fly chips?
      And what is Zakharchenko, God? In sou, do not remember him.
      You say, don’t talk!
  • veteran56
    veteran56 24 February 2016 09: 08
    +4
    I am concerned about the issue of humanitarian aid, which tens of thousands of tons carry in this so-called Novorossiya.If such chaos is happening there, then this very humanitarian aid diverges in commercial structures, but more well-known where. It is time to stop wasting state money and redirect this humanitarian aid to our regions. This will be right!
  • starper
    starper 24 February 2016 09: 54
    +3
    Confused by the complete absence of any photo or video documents, it was possible to click on the phone, the conflict was not fleeting. And what can be squeezed out in the nursery? Cells? The devil knows, maybe, really, dill is dirty?
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 24 February 2016 10: 29
      +5
      Quote: starper
      What can I squeeze in the nursery? Cells? The devil knows, maybe, really, dill is dirty?

      Have you ever been in the territory of the kennel for service dogs ?!
      This is usually a pretty decent piece of land, scrubbed and specially prepared, with communications in the form of water and electricity! Yes, probably gas, a kitchen, houses for employees .. a finished recreation center! And no money whatsoever.
    2. Megatron
      Megatron 24 February 2016 15: 02
      +1
      They could shoot for the phone, you know.
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 24 February 2016 10: 04
    +1
    Well this is not surprising. And even naturally. No one canceled banditry. The question is in what state is the power there in general?
    The Bolsheviks coped in due time, and did a good job ... Will these cope, let's see ...
  • Vladimir
    Vladimir 24 February 2016 10: 13
    +3
    It's a shame when a simple entrepreneur is squeezed out like that, still rude and unceremonious. In Kiev, God forbid, but more subtly, as if by law. One more person is interested in giving the right to be called generals, colonels, impostors with a dubious past and mediocre education.
  • koralvit
    koralvit 24 February 2016 10: 15
    +3
    If the fact described in the article takes place, then it cannot be left without consequences. A boor and one exposed by the authorities can do more. If Mr. Belyaev received power from the hands of voters and reported on his work, he would not have done such lawlessness. It is necessary to drive such people out.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 24 February 2016 10: 17
    +2
    As I understand it, all this bodyagie lasted more than one day. And for all this time it was impossible to submit an application to .... where, there they are served? Something is incomprehensible. In the end, there are some kind of military men, what kind of business is this, even the cops are afraid of them.
    1. Voodoo
      Voodoo 24 February 2016 11: 02
      +4
      Of course they are. Now in Ukraine, and in the LPR and DPR, there is chaos, especially in the ATO zone. Whoever has a weapon in his hands is the LAW itself. We have APUs with machine guns walking around the city ... hell knows what's in their heads ... or when you pass checkpoints - the same topic. Something "vyaknesh" is not that, they will call "separat", Putin's accomplices and put tries together with his family. So that's it.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 24 February 2016 11: 28
        +2
        Quote: Voodoo
        That's it.


        This is understandable in the territory controlled by the Armed Forces. But we are talking about Donetsk, and where, in the end, are "Givi", "Motorola" and others?
        1. Voodoo
          Voodoo 24 February 2016 12: 08
          +4
          Givi and Motorola do not decide anything. They know how to kill well, but politicians and managers of them none. Others who really care for the people have already been shot. Remained ... you understand.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 24 February 2016 17: 03
            0
            Quote: Voodoo
            Remained ... you understand.


            So for the sake of what then they laid their heads, it was possible to put a couple of three banks on the ears and sip. What is it for?
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 24 February 2016 17: 46
              0
              Well, put the minuses, a lot of mind is not necessary, but is it weak to answer the question? Or there is nothing to answer, there is simply no information, sheer speculation.
  • avia1991
    avia1991 24 February 2016 10: 24
    +9
    But what is happening today in the DPR makes us think very hard about where everything is going. Or rolls. Here we are talking about purges, sometimes quite obscure, and about total censorship of everything that happens, and about many other things.
    Well then! Catch up!
    When Surkov and Co. began to "imprison" their own people in Novorossiya, they were trampled on for criticism. But even then it was clear that the control was taken over by our own drivers. With the support "on the ground" precisely on those who are ready to ALMOST unquestioningly obey the curators, in exchange for impunity in the dedicated "patrimony"!
    The scheme is standard, as elsewhere. Now in Novorossia - our "dashing 90s", there is a selection of key figures, the redistribution of property and power between the "elite". While they are pure bandits. Over time, they will settle down and become "respected businessmen and politicians." YOU CAN'T RECOGNIZE THE "OIL PICTURE" ?! And Mr. Purgin and others like him, with their "stupid ideas" of people's democracy, are superfluous in this scheme. And we can only be glad that they did not eliminate it radically - like Alexei Mozgovoy ..
  • nrex
    nrex 24 February 2016 10: 25
    +3
    Where there is war there is a mess, it has always been. It was not for nothing that during the Second World War marauders and all kinds of robbery were shot on the spot. Good article for the law enforcement agencies of the Russian Federation. It is necessary not only to help with humanitarian supplies, but also with legal assistance backed up by security forces. Otherwise, some warriors with weapons can feel like "gods". It is a pity for the people living in this territory: "the whites come and rob, the red ones come and rob, where can the poor peasant go?" Only law and order !!!
  • Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 24 February 2016 10: 27
    +6
    They said that Surkov’s policy is an abomination. So no, they yelled that everything is wonderful. Now reap the fruits of Surkov’s-Putin’s policy in the LDNR. And you should not blame everything on "misunderstandings."
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 24 February 2016 10: 53
      +3
      And how much Strelkov was poured with mud - he would not have allowed such a lawlessness, according to the laws of war, immediately to the wall, referring to an order of 41 years
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 24 February 2016 14: 29
        0
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        referring to an order of 41 years

        and why not on the Judicial Code of Ivan the Terrible?
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 24 February 2016 15: 40
          0
          Quote: Zeppelin ml.
          and why not on the Judicial Code of Ivan the Terrible?

          Well, no matter how martial law was introduced anymore, from that time (41 years), and to think up something new there was no time - everything is logical
          1. Zeppelin ml.
            Zeppelin ml. 24 February 2016 21: 25
            0
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            everything is logical

            fucking, how logical.
  • Oh_ho_ho
    Oh_ho_ho 24 February 2016 10: 27
    +2
    The letter is bleeding. You need to understand the events. If this is the case, then it must be punished. Why "If"? I have listened to so many tearful stories that turned out to be shape-shifters on verification that I am wary. I hope that everything described is true and the perpetrators will be punished severely so as not to defame the bright cause.
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  • Voodoo
    Voodoo 24 February 2016 10: 49
    +7
    I agree with the author. Some of my relatives stayed in the LPR, in Lugansk. The sister says that at first there was some kind of euphoria from the fact that they separated from Ukraine, hope for improvement, etc. Now he says that people no longer have such a mood, many are beginning to despair not from the fact that food prices are crazy, there are big problems with work, etc., but from the fact that misunderstandings are happening both in Lugansk itself and in the LPR as a whole. Again the division of spheres of influence, business, territories, disassembly of all kinds, etc. They just talk about it almost in a whisper, since no one has canceled the laws of "wartime" there. In general, not everything is so simple and rosy.
  • AleBors
    AleBors 24 February 2016 10: 59
    +9
    Not surprised. For 2014 I have seen a lot in those parts. Commenting rights, there is complete lawlessness. There is no law, just like the authorities. Yes, and a bunch of weapons on hand in the absence of active databases. Very sorry for Kolganov and his family. Very sorry for the unborn grandson.
    I would like to believe that this incident will not go unnoticed by the quasi-power of the DPR. But I can’t believe it. There is now a favorite push-up exercise. Everything and everything.
    And there will be no order until there is any intelligible law and people responsible for its observance. Or while here this situation is not going to bother anyone ...
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 24 February 2016 11: 13
    +4
    Once again I am convinced that everything is like in that proverb about the revolution. Romantics conceive, fanatics exercise, and inveterate villains take advantage of its fruits. ... The most offensive for those who died or received injuries. It is necessary not to let vulgarize the memory of their deed such acts.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 24 February 2016 11: 13
    +4
    Shoot the whole gang without trial! If everything was so ...
    Thugs were, are and always will be. And the responsibility for their actions should be borne by the one who put them on the post. Otherwise, they can’t cope.
    With regard to the deletion of business, then in peacetime this happens all the time. The state does not disdain this. Business always works on the verge of law. But some support the state, others ruin or plant.
  • askort154
    askort154 24 February 2016 11: 35
    +1
    The worst thing is the loss of motivation - why shed your blood.
    1. elenagromova
      elenagromova 24 February 2016 17: 34
      +1
      For New Russia, for the fight against fascism, and, in the end, for Russia. No one can take this away even by dragging some litter into the light of God.
  • voronbel53
    voronbel53 24 February 2016 12: 40
    +1
    I would like to believe that it was so, as was covered in the article, but not turned upside down. And I would like to believe that this will NOT remain without consequences, since such things need to be rooted out in the bud, as it vulgarizes and discredits all undertakings in the republic and casts a shadow on all the good that has been done in reality and gives rise to distrust of all undertakings in future. I would like to see a continuation of the story with real facts, and without far-reaching speculation. And how the authorities responsible for all lawlessness reacted to this, if there is a place for it to be ... And so they went fishing and forgetting it? - is not the case ...
  • wolfhound
    wolfhound 24 February 2016 12: 51
    0
    Brotherhood seized power
  • kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 24 February 2016 12: 58
    +2
    I believe, because all this is painfully familiar!
    Up to the appeal to the commander-in-chief - You are our equal sun, help! And then everyone will run away - one will stay.
    Again, the boyars are fighting, and at the lackeys forelocks crack? But the king is kind, he will see and kaaaaaa will solve everything. Of course, in fairness. Who doubts!
    It’s good that Zakharchenko still doesn’t fly with Siberian Cranes ... But maybe still ahead? Looks still time has not come.
    Ukrainians, Ukrainians, Russians ... are we really the same people and we can’t see without bandits? We are waiting for the eighth gang to come and finally get enough. After all, they were saturated in our fat-fat zero years.
    However, something tells me that per unit population the number of bandits in our capitals is many times greater than in any Russian outback.
    Is there any special climate?
  • himanru
    himanru 24 February 2016 13: 50
    +1
    Thank you for the article. The truth is always needed.
  • black
    black 24 February 2016 13: 59
    +2
    If someone would tell this story a year and a half ago - he believed. But not now. There, on the sly, such sweeps were going on, Mama Do not Cry. The story of Troy is vanilla. Mutnyak, not history. And do not make global conclusions. Let's have a look.
  • Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 24 February 2016 14: 33
    +1
    May many local commentators forgive me. Everything is as usual: not all Ukrainians are fascists, not all of them are people of honor. The article did not reveal anything new. It's always like this after the war. It is not for nothing that the old book teaches us to live modestly. "Don't tempt ..."

    For the heroes of the article it is humanly insulting.
  • okroshka79
    okroshka79 24 February 2016 14: 35
    +2
    How many people, so many opinions. The author kicked Zakharyaenko, saying that de gangsters rule the ball in the DPR. It seems that Zakharchenko is protecting the bandits, so the bandit himself, but with a higher rank. That's just what bothers me. The bandits are very themselves, loved ones, they love, they are shaking for their lives. It doesn’t look like Zakharchenko when he advanced in the front ranks in the Debaltseve area, and did not sit out in the bunker. Muddy article, muddy arguments. But certainly, a balm for the soul of the Ukrainian authorities and material for their propaganda organizations. Surely they will take advantage of this.
  • walrus-a
    walrus-a 24 February 2016 14: 39
    +1
    The situation is as simple as "two times two"! The idea is great, but dirty hands have soiled this idea beyond recognition!
  • troy
    troy 24 February 2016 14: 55
    +2
    it was because of such Belyaevs that they spoke of Stalinist repressions. and it is precisely such people who must be put on the wall without trial or investigation, so as not to disgrace the memory of the children who died for independence ...
  • apostoll
    apostoll 24 February 2016 15: 01
    +8
    Quote: Mahmut
    It seems to me that the author kept silent about many things. And only for this reason does history appear in a glaring manner.

    I will not blame any of the disputing parties, but I will say about my:
    in 2005, a drunken cattle flew into the oncoming lane killed my father, and not in the Donbass, but in Russia, in Severomorsk, a man, an officer who gave 33 years of calendars to his homeland ... and what ????
    This bastard turned out to be a relative of a local bruiser, and the business was frozen until 2015, and destroyed in 2015 ... only where they didn’t go, the president reached the expected result, 0 (zero) at the exit.
    With all this, this bastard is now an official, and is not deprived of the right to drive a vehicle, although he had more than 2 ppm of alcohol in his blood ... exactly "WHAT", not "who" ...
    Here is a vivid example of a Russian official .... And you are trying to judge the Donbas
    So draw conclusions: what in Donbas, with the whole military situation, the same thing happened with us, we suffered peace ... THE ENTITY OF AUTHORITIES !!!
    Rysaev Andrey Vladimirovich. Who knows this bl .... well, spit in his face ... know that he ...
    1. Chisayna
      Chisayna 24 February 2016 15: 26
      0
      Yes, it has long been clear that the vertical of power has rotted from above. And here praises sing a guarantor.
      1. Victor-M
        Victor-M 25 February 2016 11: 49
        -1
        Quote: Chisain
        Yes, it has long been clear that the vertical of power has rotted from above. And here praises sing a guarantor.

        Probably an independent examination was carried out? Probably in some kind of Western non-governmental organization for human rights? laughing
    2. bk316
      bk316 24 February 2016 17: 30
      +2
      Something did not find such an official.
      Who works?
      1. bk316
        bk316 29 February 2016 11: 52
        +2
        Apostoll
        In vain minus, I am compiling my blacklist.
        Without any blah blah type stole 100500 billion or babies ate packs because the communist.
        And most importantly, the addressee who did what where.
        But I didn’t find yours, or rather a lot with that name, but all the entrepreneurs, and some guys.
  • VB
    VB 24 February 2016 15: 16
    +2
    Yes, they just need to be shot on the spot, without trial, according to the laws of wartime. If you do not do this, the people will turn their back on the DPR. My friend’s father died in Donetsk during the shelling of Bandera last summer. So he considers the leadership of the DPR to be bandits, not to mention Banderstadt.
  • Geo73
    Geo73 24 February 2016 15: 25
    +2
    And now the test for solvency to our law enforcement authorities. If I understand correctly, the basis for initiating a criminal case can serve as the publication of the press. Victim, if it is not a defamation of a felony, then it is in our territory / jurisdiction. So let them engage in TFR and attract either these or those. HERE AND EVERYTHING.
    1. bk316
      bk316 24 February 2016 17: 54
      +2
      Ours in the sense of Russian?
      On what basis?
      The victim is not a citizen of Russia; the place of the commission is not Russia.
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