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Syrian fighters have tested the new version of AK

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During the current conflict, Syrian troops began to receive from Russia not only modern heavy weapons, but also the latest samples of small arms. weapons, to which, for example, belongs the product of the Kalashnikov concern - AK-104, writes in its article for Messenger of Mordovia Roman Katkov.


Syrian fighters have tested the new version of AK


New machines, in contrast to the AK-47, delivered to Syria in limited quantities and are in service only in special units.

"Externally, a" raw "can be identified by a shortened trunk, which is crowned with a flame arrester. And also by the characteristic black color of the protective coating and the presence of a special impact-resistant plastic, ”the author writes.

“Cartridges of caliber 7,62 mm are applied here. Its weight with the equipped shop - 3,7 kg. Unfolded length - 824 mm. Sighting range of shooting up to 500 m. The rate of fire - 600 shots per minute. The capacity of the store is traditional for Kalashnikov assault rifles - 30 cartridges, ”Katkov gives a brief description of the automaton.

According to the "Bulletin", this conflict was, in fact, the first to use AK-104. Like other automata of the concern, it “demonstrates phenomenal reliability and unpretentiousness, thanks to which it managed to win the recognition of the Syrian warriors,” concludes the publication.
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  1. Thrall
    Thrall 15 February 2016 12: 32
    27
    Here, 7,62 mm caliber cartridges are used

    But this is correct.
    Although in Islamic states "Kalash" with a cartridge 5,45 and are not common.
    1. Michael67
      Michael67 15 February 2016 12: 34
      14
      Very correct. Only here are the guys - the Syrian special forces, take care of the device! So that the reptiles did not fall into their hands.
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 15 February 2016 12: 38
        +1
        I understand from the photo, this is with balanced automation (from the gas outlet to the front sight the distance to the balancer is allotted) !? (Type AEK-971) Kalashnikov also has such a development (after AEK. (It is not known, of course, they agreed with Degtyarevtsy for a license (most likely) or themselves!
        I think that such a machine gun is needed in the Army! The only thing - I don’t understand why they abandoned the 7,62 caliber in favor of 5,45 (the bullet through the bushes even loses direction, but we have a lot of bushes. Some kind of sabotage)!
        1. Velya
          Velya 15 February 2016 12: 46
          +7
          No, balanced automation on the AK-107 and AK-108
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            1. Baikonur
              Baikonur 15 February 2016 12: 59
              18
              What about taking them into service in the Army? Why not? After all, it seems like a cool thing! In all respects. (And the return is balanced, and structurally not much more complicated, no less reliable!) It is in the Army, and not in special support.!

              PS: This is an animated scheme of the automation of AEK-971 (the same principle)
              1. alexqazw
                alexqazw 15 February 2016 15: 53
                +1
                this animation is just the 107th
            2. Mahmut
              Mahmut 15 February 2016 13: 02
              +5
              New machines, in contrast to the AK-47, delivered to Syria in limited quantities and are in service only in special units.


              Well, when compared with the AK-47, then the AK-74 is new.
        2. cap
          cap 15 February 2016 12: 54
          +4
          Quote: Baikonur
          "The caliber cartridges are applied here 7,62 mm. Its weight with an equipped magazine is 3,7 kg. Unfolded length - 824 mm. Sighting range up to 500 m. Rate of fire - 600 rounds per minute. The magazine capacity is traditional for Kalashnikov assault rifles - 30 rounds, ”Katkov gives a brief description of the assault rifle.


          in text 7.62.
          I heard about 5.45. I think it's better for solution 7.62 for the same reason.
          Border guards were the first to "reject" the 5.45 caliber.
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          2. Roman 57 rus
            Roman 57 rus 15 February 2016 18: 10
            +1
            5,45 is considered a little pulse cartridge, i.e. less return, higher accuracy. It’s also smaller than the weight of the equipped magazine. At the same time, the bullet inflicts more injuries when hit in the limbs, because it is lighter and when hit in an obstacle it comes into it almost sideways. This was the reason for its adoption. 5.45 penetration protection is no longer enough, so they are trying to return to caliber 7.62.
        3. Oladushkin
          Oladushkin 15 February 2016 12: 54
          +5
          Mikhail Kalashnikov on this occasion said that when a similar decision was made (on the transfer from 7,62 to 5,45 mm) he rested his hands and feet as a constructor, but then the metropolitan generals formally struggling with the overload of the Soviet soldier did not give a damn about his demand and introduced this decision into him troops. At the same time, even an act was drawn up stating that the opinion of the Chief Designer was received and he did not give a damn.
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 15 February 2016 13: 10
            +3
            I heard that too! But what of the receiving customers, doesn’t anyone understand this ??? Sabotage continues ??? !!!
            And even cops shortened also need exactly 7,62 !!!
            Everywhere 7,62 is not in vain appreciated (even the American warriors try to snatch them)! And the lethal and stopping effect of the bullet is much higher!
            1. Baikonur
              Baikonur 15 February 2016 15: 21
              +7
              I found a recent video - AmeriSpets: "AK-107 - The most popular assault rifle in the USA!" Why does not we go to the series, to the army, not to the special forces, but to the general army ??? !!!
            2. Izotovp
              Izotovp 15 February 2016 16: 53
              +3
              Mikhail Timofeevich said that the modernization potential of 7,62 was not exhausted and the transition to 5,45 was premature. 5,45 continued to upgrade. If 7,62 continued to be modernized in terms of ballistics and armor penetration, then this cartridge would not have equal on the range of real fire contact.
        4. Corvetkapitan
          Corvetkapitan 15 February 2016 13: 04
          +2
          No, what you write about is AK-12, model 2012 and AEK-971 (aka A-545 (caliber 5.45) and A-762 (caliber 7.62)) from the Degtyarev plant. The AK of the hundredth series is something else, but they already managed to fight in the Caucasus, where they earned positive reviews. The article about the AK of the hundredth series is on the link. Http://ohrana.ru/weapon/automatic/31253/
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 15 February 2016 13: 16
            +3
            AK-12 - NOT balanced. !!!
        5. tracker
          tracker 15 February 2016 13: 15
          +8
          stop repeating this fake about scatter from bushes 5,45
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 15 February 2016 13: 19
            +4
            Nobody repeats, it is so! There are no bushes at the shooting range! If you have the opportunity to shoot at a shooting range, do not be too lazy to build bushes on the trajectory of a bullet and you yourself will see the result on the target! More precisely - in milk!
            And most importantly, the killing and stopping effect of the 7.62 bullet is much higher, which is - the main thing in battle!
            1. Chisayna
              Chisayna 15 February 2016 13: 23
              0
              And what is 7n22.
            2. Roman 57 rus
              Roman 57 rus 15 February 2016 22: 51
              +1
              The fact of the matter is that there is almost no stopping action at 7.62. The bullet simply makes holes in the enemy, not even Felling him down, and often he can either run away for cover or approach the distance of a knife fight.
        6. DMM2006
          DMM2006 15 February 2016 13: 28
          +2
          Unfortunately, there is no balanced automation on it; the design of the vent pipe and valve is simply changed. I know by hearsay that I have a civilian version of the 104th (without an automatic whisper), Saiga - MK-03. So I had to disassemble more than once. But the machine is great. I am personally delighted. I especially liked the fact that a tight selection of trunks is made with an accuracy of at least 4,5 cm per 100 m.
      2. Allech28-2
        Allech28-2 15 February 2016 13: 00
        +1
        Quote: Michael67
        Very correct. Only here are the guys - the Syrian special forces, take care of the device! So that the reptiles did not fall into their hands.

        He has long been in all the "naughty" little hands. So that worries are in vain.
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 15 February 2016 12: 52
      +2
      According to Vestnik, this conflict was, in fact, the first to use AK-104.

      Nonsense! Download any video from the war in Donbass and see the AK-104 from our soldiers. Therefore, the first conflict where it is applied is still the "Civil War in Ukraine".
  2. Smoked
    Smoked 15 February 2016 12: 32
    +8
    It is nice to see that our people began to actively test various crap in business, and not just at the exhibition ground in Dubai, which thread.
  3. fzr1000
    fzr1000 15 February 2016 12: 33
    +5
    With such a trunk at 500 m? In my opinion, optimistic.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 15 February 2016 12: 36
      +2
      The 5,45 cartridge increased the aiming range by about 100 meters.
    2. General Frost
      General Frost 15 February 2016 12: 38
      0
      Well, why not, isn't it possible? winked
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 February 2016 15: 04
      0
      It would be better if they delivered AK 101.
  4. Kir1984
    Kir1984 15 February 2016 12: 33
    +2
    I wonder what this thing is compared to the classic predecessor
  5. Altona
    Altona 15 February 2016 12: 33
    +4
    This is such a replacement for AKM, as I understand it. I like the caliber of 7,62.
    1. Altona
      Altona 15 February 2016 13: 09
      +1
      I had to serve with the predecessor of this machine, there is one from training, the other is already in the army ...
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 15 February 2016 13: 12
      +2
      No, this is a short barrel - rather, AKSU on steroids and under 7,62.

      AKM is AK-101 and AK-103 in the 7,62 version.
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 15 February 2016 15: 47
        +5
        Quote: donavi49
        AKM is AK-101 and AK-103 in the 7,62 version.

        A little clarification: AK-101 is made according to the NATO cartridge 5,56 * 45, AK-103 7,62 * 39.
      2. Altona
        Altona 15 February 2016 20: 20
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        AKM is

        ----------------------
        Soulful thing in the classic version, especially if you shoot well.
  6. VP
    VP 15 February 2016 12: 34
    +2
    Why is it new, twenty years since they began to produce
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 15 February 2016 14: 33
      0
      Quote: VP
      Why is it new, twenty years since they began to produce

      So the article is not the first time like! :)
  7. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 15 February 2016 12: 34
    0
    Just not lost.
  8. Wolverine
    Wolverine 15 February 2016 12: 35
    +9
    The main thing is to smear the bullets with pork fat so that they immediately go to hell ...
  9. Achilles
    Achilles 15 February 2016 12: 35
    +4
    Syria is an excellent testing ground for Russian weapons
    1. VP
      VP 15 February 2016 12: 38
      +2
      What to experience it?
      It has been adopted for 20 years and during this time it has already been delivered to many countries, even to Saudi Arabia.
  10. horoh
    horoh 15 February 2016 12: 36
    +2
    All the same, caliber 7.62 is much better than 5.45, the right solution.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 February 2016 13: 20
      +3
      Not. The problem is in the cartridges. The Caucasians (Ajnad Al-Kavkaz) from Turkey got burned not so long ago and went to Allah, for the reason - their AK-74M quickly dried out with a body kit. 5.45 can be written out from Turkey, find where the thread on Hmemima. Even in Iraq the cartridge is slow-moving.

      But 7.62x39 buckets at the nearest checkpoint, or you can buy corny everywhere.

      New Caucasobahs from Turkey are coming in with a different set of weapons.


      And Ribat of those first - did not last long.
  11. VP
    VP 15 February 2016 12: 36
    -2
    Quote: Cyrus1984
    I wonder what this thing is compared to the classic predecessor

    Why compare them? This is a cropped 74, the version between the usual 74 and the shorty 74U.
  12. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 15 February 2016 12: 42
    +1
    I would like to hear the feedback of the "operating" side!
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 February 2016 12: 46
    +4
    Whether it is still time to have to see in service with the Syrian army. Some in the comments advise to protect, not to lose, as if it were a secret weapon. Weapons have been produced for a long time mainly for export.
  14. drilled
    drilled 15 February 2016 12: 48
    0
    How does a shortened trunk feel in the heat?
  15. nemec55
    nemec55 15 February 2016 12: 48
    +1
    AK101-2, AK102-2, AK103-2, AK104-2, AK105-2 - options with a modified trigger mechanism that allows firing with a cut-off line of 3 shots. Accordingly, the switch has 4 positions: P - fuse, A - automatic firing, 3 - firing with a cut-off of the burst of 3 shots, 1 - firing with single shots.

    This is an export option.
    AK101, AK102, AK103 and AK104 are for sale for export, and AK105 - using 5,45 × 39 cartridges as well as AK74M - for the armed forces and law enforcement agencies of Russia [8].
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 15 February 2016 12: 55
      +9
      Tactical and technical characteristics of AK-104
      Caliber 7,62 mm
      Cartridge mm 7,62x39
      ak104 111
      AK-104
      Weight with an empty magazine and without a bayonet 3,4 kg
      Length 824 mm
      Length with folded butt 586 mm
      Barrel length 314 mm
      Initial bullet speed 670 m / s
      600 firing rate
      Capacity of 30 magazine cartridges
      Sighting range 500 m
  16. OlegV
    OlegV 15 February 2016 12: 50
    +4
    Externally, the "hundred and four" can be identified by the shortened trunk .....


    all right, just for street fights ....
  17. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 15 February 2016 12: 56
    +3
    Quote: VP
    What to experience it?
    It has been adopted for 20 years and during this time it has already been delivered to many countries, even to Saudi Arabia.

    Yes, yes! AK101, AK102, AK103 and AK104 are intended for sale for export.
    Pictured are Saudis with AK-103 in Yemen
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 15 February 2016 16: 01
      +4
      Well worth it! .. Posers. A dream for VOG.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 16 February 2016 00: 08
        0
        Quote: marlin1203
        A dream for VOG.

        for monka ...
  18. triglav
    triglav 15 February 2016 13: 04
    +1
    Syria is now a large training ground. Naturally. we need to try everything new that our designers invented. And then take it into service.
    1. VP
      VP 15 February 2016 14: 14
      +1
      This is not new. And long accepted. And has long been sold abroad.
      New is the AK-12. But no one is going to deliver it yet.
  19. Alexez
    Alexez 15 February 2016 13: 06
    +1
    Just do not throw tomatoes at once, but the "sighting range" in the understanding of the MO is the KVO equal to a target the size of a person's height figure (although from my point of view it is necessary to consider the target "chest", but the MO is more visible). Therefore, from 500 m, at least 50% of all bullets should lie down in the growth room. AK-47 (as they call it in the West) worked quite well at such a distance.
    1. activator
      activator 15 February 2016 13: 24
      +2
      Quote: Alexez
      Just do not throw tomatoes at once, but the "sighting range" in the understanding of the MO is the KVO equal to a target the size of a person's height figure (although from my point of view it is necessary to consider the target "chest", but the MO is more visible). Therefore, from 500 m, at least 50% of all bullets should lie down in the growth room. AK-47 (as they call it in the West) worked quite well at such a distance.

      By the way, you touched upon an interesting topic, I don’t remember where I read an article about this problem, in the article he argued that now even a chest target is too optimistic, but now it’s mainly the head or part of the head. And you said that it’s not about sights whether something else is calculated. If anyone in the subject would like to hear whether this is so important.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 15 February 2016 16: 18
        +3
        "" effective firing range "in the understanding of MO is KVO equal to a target the size of a person's height" ////

        Absolutely right. What is full height? What is the chest target? laughing
        We only shot at small (green) head-and-shoulders targets and not at any others.
        Getting there is not so easy, even with the M-16’s convenient diopter sight.
    2. iouris
      iouris 15 February 2016 13: 26
      +1
      The object of action must be inflicted with the specified damage, and not just "get" into it.
      In addition, the choice of 7,62 caliber will not create unnecessary problems with material support.
  20. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 February 2016 13: 28
    +2
    There would be a balanced automation experience. In droves. Very important tests to the limit. Dust, heat, sand, and many many enemies.
    1. MRomanovich
      MRomanovich 15 February 2016 13: 41
      +3
      There would be a balanced automation experience. In droves. Very important tests to the limit. Dust, heat, sand, and many many enemies.

      If the system is fully developed and tested, it is possible to send it to friends to help, but if it is not, then sending a raw sample for verification means endangering the guys who will run with them.
  21. imugn
    imugn 15 February 2016 14: 10
    +1
    In Syria, more advertising than a landfill
  22. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 15 February 2016 14: 20
    0
    So we will test in the field, to take into the troops or not to accept!
  23. gukoyan
    gukoyan 15 February 2016 14: 43
    0
    We have a great training ground, I won’t be surprised if we still have time to break in Armata in Syria)