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What is more important for Russia: the law on patriotism or patriots?

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Immediately I will warn you: there will be a lot of words and letters, because I had to study several very lengthy documents in which there were even more of them (letters and words). So I recommend patience to anyone who is interested in this topic.




So, patriotism. Let's start with the definition.

Patriotism is a moral and political principle, a social feeling, the content of which is the love of the fatherland and the willingness to sacrifice your private interests for the benefit of the interests of the fatherland. Patriotism presumes pride in the achievements and culture of one's homeland, the desire to preserve its character and cultural characteristics, the identification of oneself (the particular emotional experience of one’s belonging to a country and one’s citizenship, language, traditions) with other members of the people, the desire to protect the interests of the homeland and one’s people. Love for one's homeland, country, people, attachment to the place of birth, to the place of residence.

Moral and political principle. With the moral component, everything is more or less clear, it is honoring your place of birth and place of permanent residence as your homeland, respect for local traditions, people living in this place, and so on. Depending on the breadth of perception of each person individually, the borders of his homeland can stretch from the square of his own house, yard, street, village, city to the borders of the entire state. And this is a political component.

What does the law have to do with it? And everything is simple.

After President Vladimir Putin declared that the national idea of ​​Russia is patriotism, member of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption Anatoly Vyborny (of course, from “ER”) took the initiative to develop a federal law “On Patriotic Education in Russia”. In his opinion, the country needs a regulatory framework governing the patriotic education, in addition, the law will oblige the executive authorities to conduct work on the patriotic education of young people.

In general, Valentina Matvienko performed a similar initiative in 2013 year. Which in the absence of this very patriotism is unrealistic to blame. On her initiative, the CIS Inter-Parliamentary Assembly developed in 2015 a model law “On Patriotic Education”. Then DOSAAF coordinated the development of this law, however, according to the organization’s employees, the government did not see the need for such a law, referring to the already implemented state programs on patriotic education.

But if the president said ... We must jump. And as high as possible.

You know, strange sensations started right from the doorway. Well, the project Matvienko failed. God grant that Mr. Vyborny just took her project and added the word "Russia" there. God forbid, I repeat.

Why so much skepticism? It's not about Mr. Chosen. I don't know him, and I can't say anything about him. But the fact that he is from the "ER", and even the "fighter against corruption", you know, strains. Because if patriotism is brought up in the same way as fighting corruption, then everything is as it were. Put out the lights, throw grenades.

Maybe I'm wrong? Well, forgive me, deputies of the “ER”, but I can’t remember from you even a little bit of the national (that is, for the benefit of the people) law. All as if by.

By the way, if someone does not know. At present, in our country, the state program “Patriotic education of citizens of the Russian Federation on 2016-2020 years” seems to be being implemented, coordinated by Rosmolodezh. There, by the way, they are not too sure of the need to legislate a rule on patriotic education and suggest that experts should be guided in this matter.

The question immediately arises: who are these experts who can work out these very norms?

By drafting a federal law, Anatoly Vyborny proposes to involve colleagues in parliament, officials, as well as representatives of patriotic NGOs.

“The gap between the Soviet and Russian upbringing of citizens should be eliminated by a special interdepartmental commission that will work out the basic norms of the new law,” says Anatoly Vyborny.

The deputy said that today in the Russian legislation there are no rules governing the patriotic education of citizens. In his opinion, their official consolidation will oblige officials at all levels to hold patriotic education events, and then report to their management on measures taken in this direction.

Here it is. Now it is clear. Regulate the patriotic education will be officials. Write plans, then adjust them, and then report on the work done. Everything will surely be quite significant and beautiful. But you want to know how, most likely, it will look on the ground?

Without going into much detail, I will tell. One military-patriotic club decided to hold a certain event, as if the result of its activities for the year. To conduct among their pupils the surrender of the standards of the military-sports complex. Assembly, disassembly of the machine, push-ups, pull-ups, cross on 5 km. The judges were guests from one special unit, to which, by the way, then a certain number of students went. Come up.

There was also a master-class of hand-to-hand combat from one of the guests; there was an exhibition of models weapons from representatives of the "Military Review". And then also a small war with the use of the exhibits of this exhibition for those who passed the standards.

It was a good holiday. However, nowhere but in "VO" and this club, you will not find any references. There was nothing, but on this day there was a sports festival from the administration of this city. But thanks to that, because the doctors were present just in case, the police had a place to be, they also provided the stadium. And it could not be.

Prizes for the participants, water for all (it was in the summer), lunch for the guests - the administration did not spend a penny on all this. And otchetik - here he is.

And, by the way, this year they have already notified everyone that everyone survives as much as they can, because not a single ruble has been budgeted for any patriotic activity. The crisis, you know ...

But, if you look at the plans of the deputy Vyborny, everything is smooth and beautiful.

The draft law will provide measures for the formation of civic identity and instilling in young people a patriotic attitude towards society and the state. According to the concept of United Russia, state institutions, patriotic NGOs and public organizations should participate in the formation of a patriotic education system. In addition, the document provides for the need to create electronic and printed public educational resources that will form the basis of the educational direction in patriotic education.

Translate? Patriotic NGOs and public organizations will continue to plow, as they plowed before. For there are absolutely inadequate individuals who, by definition, are willing to sacrifice their personal time and other resources for the good of society and the Motherland. And donate. For the good.

But this is below, exactly where the patriotic shield of Russia is forged. And upstairs everything is more interesting. There will be work to boil. A model law is developed, a vertical of control over its execution is built up, electronic and print resources are created, on the basis of which then (key word) a whole training direction will be developed.

Feel the power? How many people will be involved? How many resources and ideas have been reworked in order for our country to finally begin the worthy patriotic education of citizens? Shivers takes.

And what about the money? With the mover of the whole process?

Financial support for the patriotic education system will be provided from the budget and other sources. At the same time, non-governmental organizations will receive subsidies for reimbursement of costs for the provision of “educational services” in patriotic education. The model law also introduces the concept of “state license” for patriotic education and provides for the need to exercise control over its implementation.

A masterpiece of all that has been said. And at the same time a cross on the idea. And not in the sense that nothing will come of it. No, most likely, the deputy will elect everything. And then, in reality, instead of at least some kind of patriotic activity, we will get an ordinary bureaucratic swamp.

However, according to Anatoly Vyborny, the main goal of his initiatives is to eliminate the practice when “active veterans seek to offer educational institutions their services as educators, but instead of a joyful greeting, they have to deal with a huge array of bureaucratic filters.”

State license for patriotic education ...

Dear readers, do you understand what is being said? I, unfortunately, understand.

Not only that any initiative connected with military-patriotic activity today has a very tough initiator financially, in order to start at least some gestures, you have to go through legal registration. Yes, 10 thousand, if for a good cause - this is not money today. It is more difficult to find a registered address for registration. Overcoming this vicious circle is very difficult, because if you count on a freebie from the administration (in principle, according to the law is possible), then sorry. First register, then everything else.

And, apparently, there will be another body that will license the patriots who are ready to spend their time and everything else is not patriotic education of young people.

That is, gentlemen officials in the offices for some criteria they will decide whether the candidate is patriotic enough to allow him to work with young people. Or not enough. Then, dear, shove your military-industrial complex in one place and go, develop further. Come, let's say, in a year.

I agree that the military-patriotic training should be controlled. In due time, I was personally pulled up by the committee on countering terrorism and extremism. They need to know, you know, whom I cook there. And today is a patriot, and tomorrow - an automatic in the mouth, and somewhere like the Donbass.

But for some reason, they never went to see our events. Apparently, because everything happened on weekends.

It seems that the version with the state license is fine for everyone. And further, it will allow officials from 9 to 18 on weekdays to fight for the development of patriotism in Russia.

The problem is that patriotism is not brought up at the highest levels of power. There with patriotism is just full order. Well, how can a deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation not love his country? Having a salary of about 450 thousand and a bunch of extra goodies like a service apartment in Moscow, free use of all transport, except taxis, and other amenities? I am sure that all deputies without exception are ardent patriots of Russia. As well as officials of those ministries and departments that will be involved in the development of laws and programs.

But they will not implement these programs. And not heads of departments and departments. This, I think, is the main problem.

There is no doubt that the law and all subsequent to it, programs, websites, manuals, instructions, etc., will be developed in the shortest possible time. Once Putin said, it means you need to move. For budget money (for our deductions with you) additional committees and commissions will be created that will develop and write reporting forms, keep statistics, make development plans and so on. Is it a joke to put the whole country on the rails of patriotic education, not inferior to what was in the USSR? What kind of jokes are there ...

But below, on the ground, everything will remain at the same level. At the level of bibling. Because God forbid that 5 military patriotic clubs from 100 in our country have the opportunity of constant funding. Yes, they are. And this is good news. But the main majority are those for which the state has not given a job, it does not and will not give a penny. And this is a fact that it is difficult not to accept, much less to refute.

Deputies and officials will work diligently in their places in order to correctly put the work of those who are already working today. And yesterday I worked. And the day before yesterday. And those who worked on the proper upbringing of the younger generations, they will continue to work. Look for funds for inventory, for trips to battle sites and museums, to participate in various competitions. And to do their job regardless of what is thought up there, at the top of the power pyramid.

It will not be easier for them. But they will not give up their business either. These people are not those paratroopers, special forces, explosives, gunners, gunners and others.

Maybe it makes sense not to transfer a bunch of material and time resources to the work of officials, but simply to make sure that in the military-patriotic club in any city of Zamkadia his head does not have a headache about the bottom of tomorrow? Without instructions and reporting. Because a couple of new tents or sets of sports equipment can sometimes do more than three packs of empty reports.

We will return to the reports in one of the sequels of this topic. And in the next part, the state program “Patriotic education of citizens of the Russian Federation for 2016-2020 years” will be dismantled in detail and under the bone. This is an extremely interesting document, and its applications are even more interesting.

To be continued ...
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  1. VP
    VP 15 February 2016 06: 59 New
    +4
    The question immediately arises, who are these experts who will be able to work out these very norms?
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    In the previous article, the author did not care at all about the "expert" question when he "wrote a patriotic letter to the President" with demands to deprive "various bad" citizens of citizenship, and the fact that this contradicts the Constitution, which does not provide for compulsory deprivation of citizenship, also did not bother what other law ...
    Has something happened in the last couple of days?
    1. Enot-poloskun
      Enot-poloskun 15 February 2016 07: 30 New
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      The Government of the Russian Federation - the law on patriotism is more important.

      The people of Russia are patriots. Everything is simple!
      1. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 15 February 2016 07: 43 New
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        the coordinator of which is "Rosmolodezh". There, by the way, they are not too convinced of the need for legislative consolidation of the norm on patriotic education and they propose to be guided in this matter by the opinion of experts.

        Ah ha argument! Well, in other words, do not meddle in our expert business. This is our cow and we milk it (s). And the author was interested in the activities of this very youth? Who met with their representatives at school at least once? And I'll tell you what they do. Spending five or six meetings and forums a year. Mostly in the summer and mainly on the Black Sea coast! This is a whole federal agency!
        The whole problem is that patriotism is not brought up at the highest levels of government.

        And I, by a sinful thing, thought that everything was the opposite in the USSR, but it turns out that I myself was brought up patriotically. Contrary to, so to speak
        1. cniza
          cniza 15 February 2016 07: 56 New
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          Something somehow ambiguous - do you need to educate patriotism? - YES, by law or? rather or. A patriotic orientation should be present in all laws of our state, but a separate law is NOT.
          1. Eragon
            Eragon 15 February 2016 08: 46 New
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            Quote: cniza
            Something somehow ambiguous - do you need to educate patriotism? - YES, by law or? rather or. A patriotic orientation should be present in all laws of our state, but a separate law is NOT.

            Here you will remember both the pioneer organization and the Komsomol. And the "license" was, and the means, and programs, and someone would try to do something not to prohibit, but simply not to support.
            1. CONTROL
              CONTROL 15 February 2016 10: 30 New
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              Quote: Eragon
              Here you will remember both the pioneer organization and the Komsomol. And the "license" was, and the means, and programs, and someone would try to do something not to prohibit, but simply not to support.

              ... And where - and, most importantly, who! - now these former pioneers and Komsomol members? Especially - pioneer and Komsomol "leaders"?
              ... in government commissions and committees, the budget is "sawed"? ...
              The law dictated - ordered the whole "youth life" - they "love the Motherland as a soul" ... and now they "shake it like a pear"!
              1. Baikonur
                Baikonur 15 February 2016 10: 51 New
                +1
                if patriotism will be raised in the same way as corruption is fought, then everything would be.
                Patriotism must be brought up from above! And there it is not very much. That's when (if possible) real patriots from the current youth will get to the top (there are very few of them now, values ​​are now measured by iPhones and Mercedes) then programs of patriotic education, love for the Motherland, understanding of moral and spiritual values ​​can work!
                PS:
                One military-patriotic club decided to hold a certain event, as if the result of its activities for the year ...
                ... from the administration of this city.
                And why doesn’t the author say which military-patriotic club ?, which city ?, when was it?
                And he told a lot about his participation, but in what, where and when he did not boast! Suggests some thoughts!
              2. Boos
                Boos 15 February 2016 11: 22 New
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                Laws cannot create patriotism if the state is not able to secure the future of the people and their descendants. If under the USSR a minister or marshal, the director of the plant could be a person from the people, your child, then in the current situation there are few who want to protect the interests of the parasites trying to control Russia, while paying tribute to international capital.
                1. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 15 February 2016 17: 14 New
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                  Boos

                  Before talking about patriotism. It is necessary to give him a clear and correct definition.

                  A respected author, the definition of patriotism is not true. Therefore, all further thoughts are also not true.

                  And before your comment it was not correctly said what kind of crap this patriotism was.
              3. Alex
                Alex 15 February 2016 16: 34 New
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                Quote: CONTROL
                ... And where - and, most importantly, who! - now these former pioneers and Komsomol members? Especially - pioneer and Komsomol "leaders"?

                Well, I won't say about everyone, but the former secretary of the Central Committee of the Young Communist League of Ukraine, Matvienko, now heads a party with a very telling name "Cathedral".
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          3. hrapon
            hrapon 15 February 2016 08: 58 New
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            Quote: cniza
            Something somehow ambiguous - do you need to educate patriotism? - YES, by law or? rather or. A patriotic orientation should be present in all laws of our state, but a separate law is NOT.


            Here's a typical misconception. Unfortunately, the current situation is such that in order to introduce the relevant provisions on patriotic education into legislative acts on education, one has to break the circular defense of the Ministry of Education through the adoption of a special law, followed by bringing other regulations in accordance with federal law, including the Law "On education in the Russian Federation".

            I am afraid to upset the author, but patriotic education on the scale of a state task cannot be limited to the activities of military-patriotic clubs and "experts." This is primarily the task of education and culture. And there is just a real ambush ...
            1. CONTROL
              CONTROL 15 February 2016 10: 34 New
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              Quote: hrapon
              to hack the perimeter defense of the Ministry of Education through the adoption of a special law with the subsequent bringing in accordance with the federal law of other regulations, including the Law "On Education in the Russian Federation."
              ... patriotic education on the scale of the state task ... first of all, the task of education and culture. And there is just the real ambush ...

              ... Or maybe in the author's thoughts - "a cunning plan"? outflanking ... outflanking ... followed by an attack from the rear!
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 15 February 2016 17: 58 New
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                CONTROL

                Now speaking directly without going around the bush. The idea of ​​state coercive, legitimate patriotism is complete nonsense. Something like totalitarianism. If there is a mess in the state, they want to blame everything on the hill, and here on you, the law on patriotism.

                Let's just say it. GDP, which is not taken into account.

                And now in the case.

                Capitalism is a system in which 99 are poor, at the expense of one rich. Ask yourself, and which of them will be a patriot of their state?

                Well continue. Patriotism, this is in relation to the country. So we need to make sure that 99% of the population has minimal respect for the state, for land and nature, and most importantly a good portion of trust in fellow citizens.

                Why trust in fellow citizens? Well, if you are going to die for your homeland, are you entitled to demand selflessness from fellow citizens? The answer is obvious. Yes, right. Then from what area is patriotism? From the realm of morality. But if you decide to transfer your morality to your fellow citizens, then what should I call it. And this is ideology.

                Conclusions.

                Patriotism is not a legislative function. This is an ideology.

                Then how to combine this ideology with commodity-money relations? With the right of one to own property 99.

                Will not work.
                1. Cap.Morgan
                  Cap.Morgan 15 February 2016 18: 31 New
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                  In America, it turns out. And this is the birthplace of capitalism.
                  But what was the situation with patriotism in the USSR? There were generally no rich, all were poor, and there was no property, no at all, and there was patriotism.
                  It is not brought up, with this they are born.
                  1. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 15 February 2016 18: 48 New
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                    Cap morgan

                    We will not talk about America. It has its own atmosphere. So far, the American environment is not very comparable with the mentality of citizens of the Russian Federation. And not only at the table of historical reasons.

                    Americans have agreement with the capitalist system, up to a point. Until they really begin to die of hunger.

                    In the Russian Federation, they clearly have a negative attitude to the cap system. How else? How can 99% of the poor rejoice that one rich has 5 yachts, and the pool of which will fit the 4 previous ones?

                    Something does not work.
                  2. Alex
                    Alex 16 February 2016 23: 36 New
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                    Quote: Cap.Morgan
                    In America, it turns out. And this is the birthplace of capitalism.

                    It depends on what to call patriotism. If all sorts of shows like "Young Miss Patriot" or hanging a flag in front of the house during hysteria, as it was after September 11, then of course yes, there is patriotism above the roof. But here's the question: are there enough show girls and mattress rags when things start to smell fried? Not to chase the Papuans (although, when it became impossible in Vietnam, then patriotism quickly evaporated) and not to put the corrupt German women with French women in bed for chocolate and stockings, but in reality: in frozen trenches; with the last grenade in front of the tank; in a blocked fortress without food or water; 40 miles from Washington ... I don’t know, history has never given them such a lesson, so the United States is not an authority on this issue either.
            2. Cympak
              Cympak 15 February 2016 12: 20 New
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              So what now there will be ruined! For this, licensing was invented so that everyone would love the Motherland according to the Prescription, and not by reason.
            3. gladcu2
              gladcu2 15 February 2016 17: 18 New
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              hrapon

              Applause.

              Patriotism is the task of the education system. As well as the ministry of culture. Everything else is circles of extracurricular reading. These patriot clubs are complete nonsense. Private affairs of state are not made.

              Patriotism is closer to ideology than to legislation.

              Н
          4. CONTROL
            CONTROL 15 February 2016 10: 24 New
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            Quote: cniza
            Something somehow ambiguous - do you need to educate patriotism? - YES, by law or? rather or. A patriotic orientation should be present in all laws of our state, but a separate law is NOT.

            Patriotism as "... love for the Fatherland ..." (by definition!) Is not legally imputed, but is brought up by life in this very Fatherland! What a life - such patriotism!
            ... and money from the budget committees, commissions and "expert communities" to "cut" ... ugh! - that is, of course, they know how to "master"!
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 15 February 2016 10: 29 New
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              Quote: CONTROL
              What a life - such a patriotism!

              in a sense?
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        3. CONTROL
          CONTROL 15 February 2016 10: 17 New
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          Quote: Corporal Valera
          And the author was interested in the activities of this very youth? Who met with their representatives at school at least once? And I'll tell you what they do. Spending five or six meetings and forums a year. Mostly in the summer and mainly on the Black Sea coast! This is a whole federal agency!

          ... military-patriotic education ... Rosmolodezhi!
          ... there is no war - I will accept everything: exile, hard labor, prison! But it is desirable - in July, and it is desirable - in the Crimea ...(C)
      2. 222222
        222222 15 February 2016 11: 05 New
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        Enot-poloskun (3) RU Today, 07:30 ↑ New
        The law on patriotism is more important to the government of the Russian Federation, and patriots to the people of Russia. It's simple! "

        .. "- Painfully you are formidable, as I can see!
        Where are the firewood from? - “From the forest, of course;
        Father, you hear, chopping, but I take it away ”(NEKRASOV)
        ..or where from .. legs grow ???
        "In December 2012, after the Russian leader voiced his message to the Federal Assembly, the phrase" spiritual bonds "came into use. "Spiritual braces" were used in their works by Russian statesmen and philosophers of the 1920s. "
        "... There can be no other unifying idea in Russia except patriotism, President Vladimir Putin is sure, TASS reports." This is a national idea, "the head of state said during a meeting with the Leaders' Club, which unites entrepreneurs from 40 regions of the country. ...

        This idea, according to Putin, is not ideologized and is not related to the activities of any party, RIA Novosti reports. “This is due to a common unifying principle. If we want to live better, we need the country to be more attractive to all citizens, more efficient, ”the president emphasized.

        This is not the first time the head of state speaks about patriotism. So, in June 2015, at the ceremony for presenting state awards, he said that the ideals of patriotism in the country are "so deep and strong that no one has ever been able and will not be able to recode Russia, remake it to fit their formats," and in November 2014, the president shared the opinion that the simpler a person is, the more responsibility he has for the Motherland. "
        ... BUT. Can there be a national IDEA then. What is in the blood of the Russian people ??? ..or is it. a game for ratings .. of individual parties and personalities ???
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 15 February 2016 13: 29 New
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      , and the fact that this is contrary to the Constitution, which does not provide for the forced deprivation of citizenship,
      I don’t understand, but the constitution, what is carved on the tablets? why can’t it be changed? life is changing, conditions are changing, so why can’t the constitution be amended?
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 15 February 2016 20: 01 New
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        kotvov

        Constitutions are made under the economic systems of the state.

        For example, the Russian Federation is a capitalist state. The design says no ideology. And why? And because ideology unites groups of like-minded people, and capitalism is a system in which the absence of collectivism is important. Need seasoned selfishness. Then we get the excuse that getting rich due to the impoverishment of others is the norm.

        If you were born in the territory of your country, who is entitled to deprive you of citizenship? And where do you go after that?

        And if there is a law on patriotism, then you probably need to give a definition of cosmopolitanism.

        In general, ideology cannot be tried to legitimize. It's pointless.
  2. Jarilo
    Jarilo 15 February 2016 07: 01 New
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    Make a fool pray to God, he will break his forehead. Patriotism is love for the motherland, but love either exists or does not exist, and there is nothing to be done. It would be better to deal with specific cases that would indicate that they themselves are not formal patriots.
    1. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 15 February 2016 08: 48 New
      +6
      Previously, the CPSU and its ideology were engaged in this. The CPSU was destroyed, and there is no brain, no will, no desire to create a new one. The current government as a drug addict, for her, with a drug, a dose, is to serve herself, to fill her pockets. As soon as she begins to deal with the country and people, skip doses, she begins to break down. And traders of this dose — foreign agents of influence, the fifth column, traitors — are sitting nearby, which is why when strong-willed and courageous people were in power in our country, the country really was independent and flourished. Only when the supreme power will have the courage and will, only then the country will recover and begin to change for the better.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 15 February 2016 10: 10 New
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        Quote: Mareman Vasilich
        Previously, the CPSU and its ideology were engaged in this. The CPSU was destroyed, but to create a new one there is no brain, no will, no desire

        they didn’t set such a task, the main thing for Chubais-Khakomadov-vonidze was to fill his belly and keep the seat warm and comfortable
        Korchagins are so unnecessary
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 15 February 2016 10: 40 New
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        Quote: Mareman Vasilich
        Previously, the CPSU and its ideology were engaged in this. The CPSU was destroyed, and there is no brain, no will, no desire to create a new one.

        ... And in the main law - the Constitution - the absence of state ideology was declared ...
        1. Mareman Vasilich
          Mareman Vasilich 15 February 2016 11: 06 New
          +2
          For this, they adopted a Constitution under which we can never even achieve the shadow of power and equality that the USSR had. Instead of ideology, religion is zealously imposed on us so that we know our place and do what they tell us. - the main resource of capitalism.
          1. Mareman Vasilich
            Mareman Vasilich 15 February 2016 11: 24 New
            +1
            Idiots are the main resource of capitalism.
      3. Tiger4
        Tiger4 15 February 2016 14: 43 New
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        NOMENKLATURA was always in power, but "not strong-willed and courageous people"
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 15 February 2016 10: 08 New
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      Quote: Jarilo
      Patriotism is love for the motherland, but love either exists or does not exist, and there is nothing to be done.

      if from childhood they tell you that you live in shit, your whole story is the story of slaves, and the heroes are stupid people, then your attitude to the Homeland will be appropriate
      at the same time, if you were brought up on books about how the Heroes fought for the Countries, how they built and built, then everything will turn out the other way around
      so it turns out that love for the motherland is brought up and most importantly from the cradle and constantly
    3. CONTROL
      CONTROL 15 February 2016 10: 35 New
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      Quote: Jarilo
      Make a fool pray to God, he will break his forehead. Patriotism is love for the motherland, but love either exists or does not exist, and there is nothing to be done. It would be better to deal with specific cases that would indicate that they themselves are not formal patriots.

      ... For example - they would return what was stolen from the state and the people! the most "specific" case!
    4. kotvov
      kotvov 15 February 2016 13: 34 New
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      Patriotism is love for the motherland, and love is either there or not,
      I don’t agree, it’s necessary to educate PATRIOTISM! it’s the same as raising a child.
  3. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 15 February 2016 07: 04 New
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    And by the way, this year they have already notified everyone that everyone is surviving as best they can, because not a single ruble is included in the budget for all patriotic activities. The crisis, you see ...

    Everything, as in the good old days, remember?
    While the basement is dirty, it stinks and there are bad campaigns - nobody needs it!
    But as soon as his group of comrades, on their own initiative, cleans him, ennobles and takes over for useful things, so the "owners" in the form of the housing office are right there:
    "- This is our basement, state property and you have nothing here! Get out!"
    Remember ?!
    So here too - the collapse has no responsible, Victory has a lot of "winners!"
    Can it just pull retirees to such an undertaking?
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 15 February 2016 09: 16 New
      +8
      Quote: Starover_Z
      Everything, as in the good old days, remember?

      In 1984, if my memory serves me correctly, the exodus of DOSAAF from the schools of the Union began. In 1988, DOSAAF, then still the USSR, worked with VSK "Patriot" only in case of payment from the local authorities. Already in 1994, the local administration began to hint at the desirability of changing the name of our military-sports club "Patriot". In 1995-98, there was a "thaw", which coincidentally coincided with the formation of the committees for youth affairs in Russia, in which they gnawed their own piece of bread from education, sports, and social policy. Such a ram was military patriotism, including ours, which had already become a regional public organization with three and a half thousand members, the military-sports technical club "Patriot" worked in full. During that period, eight were created in the region! military-sports technical centers in cities and districts of the region (with rates and matbaza), the number of military-sports clubs exceeded several hundred, a harmonious end-to-end system of games, training camps, camps, competitions was created ...
      In 1999, politics intervened)). A whole deputy governor demanded our entry (completely and completely) into the social and political movement "Swan". They got together, conferred, decided that the crossing of military-patriotic education with politics is the first step towards fascism (just like that it is written in the protocol)). As we were promised, they did not give us any more money. Never)).
      After the death of A.I. Swan (land to him rest in peace) did not become better. The youth received money for us, and spent on KVN (direct budget financing, municipal financing, ticket prices and the help of sponsors) - everyone had enough money.
      Since 2004, unofficially, but under personal responsibility, it has been prohibited to mention in the media the combination of the words "military-patriotic" and, moreover, "VSTK Patriot". Since 2008, there have been regional programs of "civil-patriotic" education. The lack of a military component magically coincided with the funding of regional identity and complete control of the media by officials and deputies from anti-youth bodies.
      Until now, the best way to get at least some support from the authorities is to "create" in military patriotism something new, "non-traditional" and necessarily "alternative")).
    2. oborzevatel
      oborzevatel 15 February 2016 09: 43 New
      +6
      Quote: Starover_Z
      While the basement is dirty, it stinks and there are bad campaigns - nobody needs it!
      But as soon as his group of comrades, on their own initiative, cleans him, ennobles and takes over for useful things, so the "owners" in the form of the housing office are right there:
      "- This is our basement, state property and you have nothing here! Get out!"
      Remember ?!

      Remember.
      At one time, they also cleaned the basement, made a "rocking chair" there.
      The simulators themselves did, bought a barbell, dumbbells.
      Simple guys just practiced there.
      In less than three months, they have peered. With the precinct and aunt for work with minors.
      "They've set up a breeding ground for raketers and bandits, get out!"
      Get yourself out.
      Fundamentally, everyone was defeated there.
      True, they did not crap.
    3. CONTROL
      CONTROL 15 February 2016 10: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Starover_Z
      While the basement is dirty, it stinks and there are bad campaigns - nobody needs it!
      But as soon as his group of comrades, on their own initiative, cleans him, ennobles and takes over for useful things, so the "owners" in the form of the housing office are right there:

      At all enterprises, and in cities, there were shelters of civil defense (civil defense), and this was precisely an element of the ideological concept of the state: caring for people, as the country's main wealth, because there were dangers of industrial disasters besides the threat of nuclear destruction (just throw minuses how pathetic it is, but - it was not without a lot of stuff, in our opinion, in Russian ...); outdated - yes, with ancient equipment - yes! But there were! re-equip, ennoble, bring in line ... Well this is a very, very capital construction! No - someone (oh sooo interesting, who?) Ordered them to be poached, or simply forbidden to budget the costs of maintaining civil defense! That was the surrender to our West patriotic state ideology - people are no longer important to us, like - "women are still giving birth", but no - it doesn't matter, we will bring the Chinese ... The main thing is the profit of the enterprise, finance, budget, marketing and management! ...
      And, by the way - in these very "basements of GO" not only potatoes were stored, but also - classes were conducted, including with a patriotic - educational bias!
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 15 February 2016 11: 02 New
        +1
        In my native school, the Khrushchev bomb shelter was converted into a chic school locker room and a sports equipment warehouse.
        So no one, didn’t bury anything, did not forbid, and did not order.
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 15 February 2016 14: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: bober1982
          In my native school, the Khrushchev bomb shelter was converted into a chic school locker room and a sports equipment warehouse.
          So no one, didn’t bury anything, did not forbid, and did not order.

          This is at your school; Household, apparently, people work!
          But in the factories - ... this one ... and this one ... and that one too - you won’t count! - look there - in the shelter GO - you can not; swamp ...
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 15 February 2016 14: 18 New
            0
            Maybe so, everywhere in different ways, in the yards of the bomb shelter were abandoned.
          2. Tiger4
            Tiger4 15 February 2016 14: 50 New
            0
            that's for sure! everyone stole!
        2. CTEPX
          CTEPX 15 February 2016 21: 34 New
          0
          Quote: bober1982
          Khrushchev bomb shelter was converted

          There is no shelter, huh?))
      2. Tiger4
        Tiger4 15 February 2016 14: 49 New
        +1
        Yes!!!! There were such "atomic shelters"! He himself regularly pumped water from the flooded shelter at the plant
      3. CTEPX
        CTEPX 15 February 2016 21: 33 New
        0
        Quote: CONTROL
        were refuge go

        Do not believe me, the Ministry of Emergencies does not give us refuge for the training of boys)). No, every little club can go 50 to 50)). The system is not given. Not only money, opportunities. Fight in full growth, invent methods. They dream of becoming Jews (as they imagine them).
  4. tankovod
    tankovod 15 February 2016 07: 09 New
    14
    People in the country are not blind, they see a huge difference between the half-poor hard worker and the oligarchs who plundered Soviet property and heritage. And these scum dare to declare norms of patriotism? What will we measure, in kilograms, cubic meters or gigawatts? Or maybe in dollars, like all the main patriots?
  5. Nehist
    Nehist 15 February 2016 07: 13 New
    11
    Yes, what kind of patriotic education can we talk about? The lack of ideology at the state level puts an end to all this immediately. For at the moment, the unofficial ideology of the state is the ideology of consumption!
    1. Chisayna
      Chisayna 15 February 2016 07: 17 New
      +5
      The vertical of power is rotten from above.
    2. cap
      cap 15 February 2016 08: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Nehist
      Yes, what kind of patriotic education can we talk about? The lack of ideology at the state level puts an end to all this immediately. For at the moment, the unofficial ideology of the state is the ideology of consumption!


      I join your opinion, and to everyone who puts this conclusion about the lack of ideology at the forefront. Just like everything else is only a consequence, not a reason.
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 15 February 2016 21: 39 New
        0
        Quote: cap
        about the lack of ideology at the forefront. Just like everything else is just a consequence, not a cause.

        The lack of STATE ideology is fixed (directly) by the Constitution)). Are you waiting for action from the president? And he is connected - his very position is being transferred, as - the guarantor of the Constitution)).
        What to do?))
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 15 February 2016 07: 14 New
    11
    Anatoly Vyborny (naturally, from United Russia) took the initiative to develop a federal law on patriotic education in Russia.... Yeah and another control body to create - Rospatriotism .. And control patriotism .. like Coca-Cola, came out with a bear on the label is patriotic, and the Pinocchio drink with pinocchio on the label is not patriotic .. forbid .. and t .d. smile
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 15 February 2016 07: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      , but the Pinocchio drink, with pinocchio on the label, is not patriotic .. forbid .. etc.

      Version of A. Tolstoy - it’ll do it)))))
      “The Golden Key, or The Adventures of Pinocchio” - the tale of Alexei Nikolaevich Tolstoy .....
    2. Riv
      Riv 15 February 2016 07: 45 New
      +4
      Pinocchio touts the exploitation of child labor by Papa Carlo!
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 15 February 2016 08: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Riv
        Pinocchio touts the exploitation of child labor by Papa Carlo!

        Reread. Pinocchio is fighting with the Pope. That is the essence of the tale.
    3. CTEPX
      CTEPX 15 February 2016 21: 40 New
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      like Coca-Cola

      You know, if you don’t offer something real, then Coca-Cola will end.
  7. sa-ag
    sa-ag 15 February 2016 07: 15 New
    +5
    Hmm, a picture looms so that one wonders if it is grotesque, farce or absurdity? :-) Or maybe a new topic for society for the authorities to occupy minds in view of the impending devaluation of the national currency?
  8. Darkness
    Darkness 15 February 2016 07: 17 New
    +4
    Frantically looking for a replacement for the CPSU. They will not find.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 February 2016 07: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: Darkness
      Frantically looking for a replacement for the CPSU

      Found a long time ago.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 15 February 2016 07: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Found a long time ago.

        Neto word .. already version 2.0 is ready - ONF))))
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 15 February 2016 07: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Neto word .. already version 2.0 is ready - ONF))))

          Well, at first it was EP, it turned out that the ONF had to be riveted urgently, but this, I suppose, is a temporary option, because as it was said "when society does not have a color differentiation of pants , then there is no goal "(C) :-)
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 15 February 2016 07: 34 New
            0
            Quote: sa-ag
            "when society does not have a color differentiation of pants, then there is no goal" (C) :-)

            Someone's long-forgotten phrase inspired, so beloved by the liberals, among whom is our beloved president -
            Patriotism is the last refuge of a villain. - The aphorism uttered by Johnson at the Literary Club on April 7, 1775, and
            )))
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 15 February 2016 08: 12 New
              +3
              Patriotism is the last refuge of a villain, the aphorism (as you mistakenly put it) is worn out and dragged to the impossible. Dr. Johnson cites with pleasure all and sundry.
              But at the same time, the meaning of what he said isdistorted (and this is well known), but they continue to quote.
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 15 February 2016 08: 38 New
                0
                Quote: bober1982
                But at the same time, the meaning of what he said is distorted

                So bring the correct reading, business, do you mean Leo Tolstoy?
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 15 February 2016 08: 57 New
                  +5
                  No, I didn’t mean Leo Tolstoy, to whom this phrase is mistakenly attributed.
                  And the meaning of Johnson’s statement is something like this:
                  If there is a certain patriotism, even a villain can get rid of punishment by choosing a dangerous, but necessary service for the homeland
                2. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 15 February 2016 10: 18 New
                  +3
                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  So bring the correct reading

                  In the article “Patriot” (1774), Johnson urged his readers to choose worthy people, true defenders of the interests of their country in the English parliament, for:
                  “... only the Patriot deserves a place in parliament. No one else will protect our rights, no one else will deserve our trust ... "
                  It is logical to assume that the meaning of his statement was in the atonement of sins.
      2. Darkness
        Darkness 15 February 2016 09: 10 New
        0
        Where? And EP and ONF And others - it's all temporary huts.
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 February 2016 09: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Darkness
        Frantically looking for a replacement for the CPSU

        Found a long time ago.

        With such an ideology, you can only produce the sunset manually. They stole everything, bastards. am laughing crying
      4. CTEPX
        CTEPX 15 February 2016 21: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Frantically looking for a replacement for the CPSU
        Have long been found.

        Because the Communist Party of the Soviet Union prosrali. There is nothing easier than finding a replacement for him!))
  9. Million
    Million 15 February 2016 07: 20 New
    +7
    First you need to instill patriotism at the top of the government! Otherwise, they flee from Russia immediately, and they keep capital in foreign banks, and they excommunicate their children from childhood. Their sons do not serve in the Russian Army either.
    And these people talk about patriotism ????
    1. VP
      VP 15 February 2016 07: 25 New
      +1
      And why did the elite of power not please you so much?
      Here Lavrov ... Are you sure that you can teach him patriotism?
      And, for example, Shuvalov. With whom his son studied in England but came to Russia at the age of 18, received a summons and went to serve urgent. Moreover, he served not at headquarters in the Arbat military district but in the Pacific Fleet special forces on Russky Island.
      That is why you consider yourself a model of patriotism? Or is it just very nice to consider yourself an expert on foreign patriotism?
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 15 February 2016 07: 40 New
        10
        Quote: VP
        Here Lavrov ... Are you sure that you can teach him patriotism?

        Maybe it should teach his daughter - living in New York ???
        Roman Seleznev was arrested by US agents at the airport in the Maldivian capital in early July. He is accused of cyber fraud and theft of banking data. The Russian faces up to 30 years in prison in the USA and a fine of millions of dollars. Another trouble happened with the son of the vice speaker of the State Duma Alexander Zhukov - Peter. During training in London, Zhukov Jr. went to prison after a drunken brawl.
        See also:
        The son of deputy Seleznev left in custody in the United States
        However, other children study abroad quite successfully and without any excesses. So, according to again open sources, the three daughters of the State Duma’s vice speaker Sergei Zheleznyak study abroad: two in London, one more in an elite Swiss school.
        Two sons of deputy Alexander Remezkov are studying in the United States and Great Britain. The youngest daughter lives in Vienna, where she does gymnastics. Masha Remezkova even represented the Austrian national team at children's competitions in Ljubljana.
        The son of the main fighter for traditional Orthodox values ​​of the deputy Elena Mizulina studied at Oxford, received a diploma and moved to permanent residence in tolerant Belgium.
        Where his children will study is everyone’s business, said Vyacheslav Nikonov, chairman of the Duma’s education committee. His son has American citizenship.

        This is not a complete list of "patriots", as it has never inspired ...
        1. VP
          VP 15 February 2016 07: 49 New
          0
          Maybe his daughter, living in New York, should teach this?

          Do you consider crime a place of residence or what? Explain your idea, plz.
          And, if anything, Lavrov’s daughter lives in Russia for 9 years.
          Stop collecting different fakes and gasp.
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 15 February 2016 08: 12 New
            +3
            Quote: VP
            Stop collecting different fakes and gasp.

            Of course, all the fakes and enemy propaganda .. And in the Kremlin and the White House, there are entirely bright elves, from the last forces to the last Russian - they fight with the dark forces of the West)))))
            For reference - Vladimir Luchesarny and Dmitry Plyushevy)))
            1. VP
              VP 15 February 2016 09: 25 New
              +2
              Those. There was no answer to the point (your crap about Lavrov’s daughter).
              Clearly, be healthy, hello Lechaim.
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 15 February 2016 10: 40 New
                -1
                Quote: VP
                hi lechaim

                Aleikhim Shalom - in the sense of peace to you tongue
            2. CTEPX
              CTEPX 15 February 2016 21: 54 New
              0
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              Of course, all fakes and enemy propaganda ..

              Yes, you seem to be one of those who: for the sake of a red word will not regret his father?))
        2. CTEPX
          CTEPX 15 February 2016 21: 52 New
          0
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          worth teaching this to his daughter

          Once at a time is not necessary. Are you not happy with Lavrov?))
      2. Nix1986
        Nix1986 15 February 2016 09: 18 New
        +4
        I don’t consider myself an expert on patriotism, but I pay about 2 million taxes a year, so at least I have every right to ask the officials responsible for the budget and the rule of law why my money was stolen in the east, Sochi and Rusnano and why the perpetrators are not ala Serdyukov suffered punishment ?! Or do I have no right to ask for this ?! Then, according to your patriotism, it turns out somehow different, for me and for the authorities. One line of my ancestors from Austria, the second from Poland, and I live in Russia, so what country should I be a patriot ?! For me, the homeland is not the territory of the earth, but an idea, an idea based on law, honor and dignity. And if such an idea is at least in Honduras, then for me it may be Honduras and I am ready to be a patriot of Honduras, pay taxes there, knowing that they will only benefit and protect this country, knowing that I shed blood not in vain.
        1. VP
          VP 15 February 2016 10: 35 New
          -2
          You can, of course.
          But why are you putting everything and everyone together?
          For example, on the go
          their sons do not serve in the Russian Army either.

          More than sure that you did not even try to find out if this is so. But why if it contradicts some of your views?
          The situation is exactly the same with "Lavrov's daughter lives abroad."
          It is checked elementary.
          But this is not so advanced - to check someone's nonsense, he is a "handsome", in the end a "creative" and "thinking" person and "thinking" for that and not some stupid "quilted jacket" to "for the state get over it. "
          1. Nix1986
            Nix1986 15 February 2016 11: 01 New
            +4
            I just mean that you have to answer for everything. The constitution and code of laws of any developed state begins with the words about equality before the law of all social strata of society, races, nationalities and religious denominations. Therefore, speaking about patriotism, you need to start with the smallest and most important thing, at least the presence on the territory of the state of the inevitability of the law for everyone, and those who stole a bag of potatoes and those who stole a billion. Therefore, while such personalities as Serdyukov and others are free with him and occupying new government positions trample the state and put it on you and me, I consider the legality "different" for "my boys" and everyone else and "patriotism" from the blue screen is just a beautiful PR project. Give a sense of security and law in the courtroom and in life, and patriotism won't need to be advertised on TV. In the meantime, this is an advertisement about what "OKA" is a safe car, but advertising and life are different things.
          2. CTEPX
            CTEPX 15 February 2016 21: 58 New
            0
            Quote: VP
            For example, on the go

            Please learn to relate your words to a specific character, on a specific occasion. It is annoying for you, for us and for ...))
      3. kotvov
        kotvov 15 February 2016 13: 41 New
        +1
        And, for example, Shuvalov. Whose son he studied in England but came to Russia at 18,
        and why didn’t you spell out other names? How about Chubais, Grefs, or who is wiping in London now.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 15 February 2016 13: 59 New
          0
          Quote: kotvov
          and other surnames why you did not register

          If you mean my comm, then the whole list will be more than an article, I had to get by with a piece ..
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 15 February 2016 21: 50 New
      -2
      Quote: Million
      First, patriotism must be inculcated at the top of power!

      In no case)). Only a stronger government, read - the Anglo-Saxons, can instill "patriotism" at the top of the government. Do we need it?
      Patriotism grows from below. And, most importantly, money is not needed there)). You just need to stop paying money from our taxes AGAINST patriotism)). Especially in the media)).
  10. Nix1986
    Nix1986 15 February 2016 07: 22 New
    14
    Patriotism is fostered by the state, as well as morality by parents. And just like parents, representatives of the state, read power should be the first example. And we have plenty of such examples, Serdyukov, Yakunin, Chaika, etc. Therefore, I hate it when all sorts of vile snouts begin to creep into me with such personal concepts as faith, love and patriotism, that Jehovah's Witnesses “let's talk about God”, that our government has its “patriotism”. Faith does not depend on how many times I go to church and how often I read my prayers, it is in my deeds. Likewise, patriotism should not depend on how many times I repeat "May the GDP be healthy", but consists in the good fulfillment of my civic duties. Therefore, judging by deeds, our government can least of all speak and teach patriotism.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 15 February 2016 22: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Nix1986
      Therefore I hate it when to me with such personal concepts

      Quote: Nix1986
      our government can least speak and teach patriotism.

      Do as millions of Russian citizens do, just live and love the Motherland. Your "struggle" allows THEM to lean on YOU)).
      Or, at least object essentially. What to do, Zin?))
      What is the good performance of one's "civic duties"? Fulfillment of what "this power" says?))
  11. Telemon
    Telemon 15 February 2016 07: 31 New
    +2
    Or maybe it’s not worth it so dramatically ... The beginning of the article is kind and promise ... But .. recourse Hmm, but what is skepticism-pessimism now, do not tell me whether the sale-purchase is expensive ...
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  13. Riv
    Riv 15 February 2016 07: 45 New
    +2
    The patriotism law, you say? One must think that in Russia all the deeds have already been done, but the eggs cannot be reached ...
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 February 2016 07: 46 New
    +5
    If you entrust officials with a good deed, they will not only spoil him, but also discourage the desire for "innovation." You cannot instill patriotism by laws and regulations. It arises and develops in the process of upbringing in a family, school, university, army and further in life.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 15 February 2016 22: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Patriotism cannot be grafted by laws and guidelines. It arises and develops in the process of education in the family, school, university, army, and further in life.

      Your untruth)). You indicated only the places of impact. Not all, by the way)).
      Patriotism everywhere, always, in all countries arises as a product of the impact of PUBLIC forces (organizations). If these "patriotic" public organizations feed on the money of foreign states, then soon we will have to feed the foreign army.
      Russian officials!
      What, s ... ki! Do you hope that we, as always, will save your railways in battles in the fields, forests and mountains of Russia?
  15. Fat
    Fat 15 February 2016 07: 52 New
    +4
    To entrust officials with the "education" and, moreover, the "licensing" of patriotism is guaranteed to give the very notion of patriotism a negative connotation. Bureaucracy is like a weed - it is not treated, for that it multiplies well.
  16. Seryj2
    Seryj2 15 February 2016 07: 53 New
    10
    Fostering patriotism is not only a voluntary activity of veterans and retirees. It is also the most powerful state propaganda. Propaganda, loudly and even loudly, hammering into the heads of its people the simplest theses: "Our country is the best!", "We have something to be proud of!", "Be proud of your Great Country!", "You live in a Great Country!"
    And such an approach by the state is absolutely correct and necessary.
    This is what the breakthrough of money and the apparatus of officials and specialists are required. On advertising and praising your state. The necessary censorship, as never before. To create and hammer into the heads of children the images of Uncle Stepa - a policeman, a Hero - a paratrooper, Brave Border Guard, a Talented Scientist, Scout, etc.
    Then, and only then, can we count on a massive turnaround in the minds of citizens. This is repeatedly confirmed by the experience of many, many powers. Those of the USSR and the USA, where propaganda of patriotism was conducted (and in the USA is still ongoing) precisely at the state level.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 15 February 2016 07: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Seryj2
      Education of patriotism

      That's right, but knowing our propaganda will be deceived so that the very word will start to feel sick in the first place, the "witch hunt" will be a hundred poods, and secondly
    2. Nehist
      Nehist 15 February 2016 07: 59 New
      +1
      For this there must be an ideology, and in our country it is even prohibited by the constitution, so what can we talk about? About the next cut dough not otherwise
    3. sa-ag
      sa-ag 15 February 2016 08: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Seryj2
      drumming into the heads of her people the simplest theses: "Our country is the best!", "We have something to be proud of!", "Be proud of your Great Country!", "You live in a Great Country!"

      Moscow, December 26 - AIF-Moscow.
      Russian Deputy Prime Minister for Social Policy Olga Golodets said that according to recent estimates, 22 million people in Russia live below the poverty line, Interfax reports.

      Poor Russia A third of compatriots live below the poverty line. She emphasized that most of them are families with children.
      “22 million people - these are people who today according to Russian statistics are among the poor. There is a serious problem here, ”said the Deputy Prime Minister.

      Something "Inhabited Island" reminds
    4. CTEPX
      CTEPX 15 February 2016 22: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Seryj2
      The education of patriotism is ... a breakthrough of money and an apparatus of officials and specialists.

      By itself, this breakthrough will simply make us poorer)).
      Only the presence of a PUBLIC UNITED Russian organization (or their union - adult, youth, children) is equivalent to the upbringing of patriotism. Everything else brings us closer to war, because the weak are beaten. Even in the Caucasus))
  17. Yegorchik
    Yegorchik 15 February 2016 08: 09 New
    0
    Patriotism is the last refuge of villains.
    Growing up in the Soviet Union, this aphorism has always been considered stupid, but when faced with the realities of life in a capitalist society, I realized how true this phrase is.
    1. Telemon
      Telemon 15 February 2016 08: 40 New
      -2
      That is, you consider the Defense of the Homeland (at all times!) - stupid, and how the two-faceless adopted the capitalist consumer society unconditionally, but .. recourse
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 February 2016 10: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Telemont
        That is, you consider the Defense of the Homeland (at all times!) - stupid, and how the two-faceless adopted the capitalist consumer society unconditionally, but .. recourse

        Well, I’m ready to defend my Motherland, and my NATIVE people, but I’m not ready to defend Abramovich’s factories, ships, steamboats. And also the property of his kids. Let them defend it themselves, especially since he also has a fleet.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 15 February 2016 10: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          but not ready to defend the plants, factories, ships of Abramovich living in Small Britain

          and how are you going to separate it, will you protect the pear street and there will be no metallurgists?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 February 2016 10: 28 New
            +2
            I will, unfortunately. That is why the whole idea of ​​patriotism looks like a complete zilch.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 15 February 2016 11: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              I will, unfortunately.

              But how will you do it? Practically?
              And how are you going to notify your enemy about this? There is a robbery, but not a robbery here?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 February 2016 22: 02 New
                +2
                Quote: Dart2027
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                I will, unfortunately.

                But how will you do it? Practically?
                And how are you going to notify your enemy about this? There is a robbery, but not a robbery here?

                You misunderstood me. Everyone needs to be protected, but if I say I’m sitting at Domodedovo Airport, I will remember that it belongs to some kind of capitalist who regretted the money for the airport’s security, and the owner himself is not known where, having registered the airport in Cyprus with a meager charter capital. That is, he in fact feeds not the Russian army, but the budget of Cyprus. So is he a patriot of Russia or Cyprus?
                1. CTEPX
                  CTEPX 15 February 2016 22: 45 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  That is, he in fact feeds not the Russian army, but the budget of Cyprus.

                  But this is the only true patriotic criterion)). Further more. Why is the cheap energy (electricity, oil) on the spot, we get more expensive than "partners" there, far away? Why is OUR land for sale to US? Here - the solution to these issues is - patriotism. Otherwise, our internal troops become the protection of the robbers)).
        2. Al1977
          Al1977 15 February 2016 14: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Well, I’m ready to defend my Motherland, and my NATIVE people, but I’m not ready to defend Abramovich’s factories, ships, steamboats. And also the property of his kids. Let them defend it themselves, especially since he also has a fleet.

          Why so simplify ... And if the Fabiri factories are the son or wife of our home-grown patriot-governor or member of the government? And they are not English, very shouting CrimeaOur. Will you protect their plants?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 February 2016 20: 53 New
            +3
            That's when these decentralized wages will be paid at these factories, for which I can buy an apartment (in the Union we were given free of charge), they will not cheat with the social network and cheat at every step, when the son of the governor will sit in the same trench with me, then I will increase patriotism. Just they will not fight with the country in which their savings are stored. In general, the bar of moral standards fell sharply, starting from the moment when the Soviet Union collapsed. Well, I do not respect the current capitalists. And screaming loudly that he is a patriot, you don’t have much mind. Prove by deed. When I studied economics in the Union, I remembered that a certain percentage goes to the development of the enterprise, and when Muscovites bought a plant from us, they invested almost nothing. And now there is no that factory which in the Union has built several houses for its workers. Plus a kindergarten.
        3. CTEPX
          CTEPX 15 February 2016 22: 36 New
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          but not ready to defend

          That is, you will wait for the destruction of newspapers, factories and ships of Russia on the grounds that they do not belong to you?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 16 February 2016 00: 50 New
            +3
            Quote: ctepx
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            but not ready to defend

            That is, you will wait for the destruction of newspapers, factories and ships of Russia on the grounds that they do not belong to you?

            Not. I want to say that my patriotism will not be strong enough. Go to the article garbage mordor and read the comment sa-qa, about which there the man Prokhorov agreed with Lebanon.
    2. engineer74
      engineer74 15 February 2016 09: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Egorchik
      Patriotism is the last refuge of villains.
      Growing up in the Soviet Union, this aphorism has always been considered stupid, but when faced with the realities of life in a capitalist society, I realized how true this phrase is.

      So, for information:
      The author of the expression “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel” is the English literary historian Samuel Johnson (1709-1784), who wanted to emphasize the nobility of patriotism with this phrase.

      Fully here: communitarian.ru/novosti/kultura/tonkosti_perevoda%2C_kak_pribezhische_neg
      odyaev /? sphrase_id = 33723479
      And on the topic, everything is simple - they have sensed the "topic", they are preparing a tool for its "monetization" - then it is clear what will happen ... And the point is not in Patriotism, but in the deputies. If Vladimir Putin had announced a landing on Mars by 2020, everything would have been exactly the same.
      IMHO
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 15 February 2016 10: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Egorchik
      Faced with the realities of life in a capitalist society, I realized how true this phrase is.
      Reply Quote Report Abuse

      expand thought
    4. Telemon
      Telemon 15 February 2016 11: 13 New
      -1
      Quote: Egorchik
      Patriotism is the last refuge of villains.

      So YOU ​​were looking in the dictionary, in Samuel Jackson .... laughing , tfu on you. And others like you ... Ushakov, take the dictionary. POP. bully
  18. vetor
    vetor 15 February 2016 08: 12 New
    +6
    Yeah, and introduce the title, Honored Patriot of Russia, or Patriot of Russia of the 1st degree. The Popular Front has already been invented, I look, only the people there are sitting.
  19. Gardamir
    Gardamir 15 February 2016 08: 23 New
    +3
    Something somehow thought, or maybe for a start we decide what patriotism is?
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 15 February 2016 08: 43 New
      -2
      Quote: Gardamir
      What is patriotism?

      Everything is simple - a stupid faith in the great and the terrible ...
    2. Telemon
      Telemon 15 February 2016 13: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      Something somehow thought, or maybe for a start we decide what patriotism is?

      PATRIOTISM, [b] patriotism, pl. no, m. (see patriot). Love, devotion and attachment to the fatherland, to his people.
      [b] http://ushakovdictionary.ru/word.php?wordid=44982 [/ b] Yes, by the way, for piderasts:
    3. populist
      populist 15 February 2016 22: 49 New
      0
      Gardamir
      Something somehow thought, or maybe for a start we decide what patriotism is?

      Patriotism is also a necessary part of any state ideology. What is the difference from nationalism? As they say, patriotism affirms vertical solidarity - the commitment of the individual to the country and state. This commitment does not emphasize “lower level” values ​​that hold together an ethnic community, even as broad as a nation. On the contrary, nationalism activates a sense of horizontal camaraderie, a sense of national brotherhood.
      Kara-Murza "Who are the Russians." P. 88
  20. pts-m
    pts-m 15 February 2016 08: 26 New
    +3
    They also said that patriotism is not corrupt. It turns out that he is also corrupt and you understand this hardly having heard about the salary level of our "people's deputies". Something they "attended" with this statement. Probably a graph appeared in the tariff and qualification reference book for deputies) patriotism (with an appropriate rate. As people say ... if you don’t take care of yourself, no one will care about you ...
  21. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 15 February 2016 08: 33 New
    -2
    Patriotism is certainly not an ideology. But patriotic education is necessary. You can certainly say that the officials (read the state) will again be rude, but we must start somewhere.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 February 2016 10: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Nikolay71
      Patriotism is certainly not an ideology. But patriotic education is necessary. You can certainly say that the officials (read the state) will again be rude, but we must start somewhere.

      And you yourself try to start. Buy a couple of Kalash, small stuff, climb into the basement, organize a shooting gallery there ... And I will admire how it all will look. recourse wassat
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 15 February 2016 12: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Buy a couple of Kalash, small stuff, climb into the basement, organize a shooting gallery there ...

        Can try to buy and plant a couple of trees, remove garbage, paint something? I think this will be a much greater manifestation of patriotism and love for their homeland! hi
        1. Chisayna
          Chisayna 15 February 2016 14: 09 New
          -1
          But what, in order to plant trees, you must first buy them? Do you live in the desert?
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 15 February 2016 15: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: Chisain
            But what, in order to plant trees, you must first buy them? Do you live in the desert?

            No damn it, dig out the neighbors on a dark night! Where will you find a tree in the city for planting? hi
            1. Chisayna
              Chisayna 15 February 2016 18: 58 New
              -1
              Yes, I’ve survived, you buy trees, probably you live in Israel?
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 15 February 2016 20: 22 New
                +2
                Quote: Chisain
                Yes, I’ve survived, you buy trees, probably you live in Israel?

                Agafya Lykova does not need to buy trees - there is a "taiga dead end" around, and I live in Rostov-on-Don! By the way, why immediately in Israel?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 15 February 2016 21: 08 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Bayonet
                  Quote: Chisain
                  Yes, I’ve survived, you buy trees, probably you live in Israel?

                  Agafya Lykova does not need to buy trees - there is a "taiga dead end" around, and I live in Rostov-on-Don! By the way, why immediately in Israel?

                  Bayonet, and I have an uncle in those parts of the world. Don’t try to dig it out from him, otherwise it’s not you who will tear a tree, but you yourself will be torn. laughing
                  1. Bayonet
                    Bayonet 16 February 2016 05: 59 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Don’t try to dig it out from him, otherwise it’s not you who will tear a tree, but you yourself will be torn.

                    Explain this to Chisain! And what kind of uncle is such a prosecutor? smile
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    2. Nehist
      Nehist 15 February 2016 15: 28 New
      -2
      Patriotism is precisely the ideology of the country !!! You do not compare personal patriotism with state! These are different things! I have a negative attitude to the current government and personally to GDP. And if I need to go to fight for myself and for my loved ones, and this is not patriatism but the local opinion of IMHO. Patriotism was during WWII !!! Although there is no WRO yet during the war of 12 years. Let us take the patriotism of the Russian Empire For faith, Tsar and Fatherland! Now, if it were a little different For the Fatherland Faith and the Tsar, the result would be different !!! It was at the state level that the ideology for Faith was awaited !!! What was already a minus in a multi-professional country ...
      1. populist
        populist 15 February 2016 22: 57 New
        0
        Nehist
        What was already a minus in a lot of confessional country ...

        This has never happened in Russia, and now it is not.
  22. EvgNik
    EvgNik 15 February 2016 08: 37 New
    10
    President Vladimir Putin says patriotism is Russia's national idea

    So I was in complete bewilderment when I heard this from our guarantor. Patriotism cannot be a national idea by definition. There are many nations, and each has its own patriotism. Let's say the Japanese are the patriots of Japan, the Irish are Ireland, and so on. And what, everywhere is a national idea? And there are cosmopolitans (citizens of the whole world). Here they have their own ideology. I live where it is convenient for me - I earn where it is profitable for me. Are there too many cosmopolitans among 1% of our country? And these cosmopolitans will instill patriotism in us. And there will be another feeding trough for those who want to profit at the expense of the people. All this is very sad.
  23. tchoni
    tchoni 15 February 2016 08: 41 New
    +3
    Grow a normal middle class - and you will be both patriots and law-abiding citizens, and without any laws.
    But, no, the country is not that. We love patriotism for free. Therefore, the law will be adopted and paid by officials and, in general ...
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 15 February 2016 10: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: tchoni
      Grow a normal middle class

      It’s impossible, people will think and, if something happens, fight for their own ... Therefore, we have a quasi-middle class officials and security forces, that is, completely controlled by the Kremlin ...
  24. Telemon
    Telemon 15 February 2016 08: 48 New
    -12 qualifying.
    But let's look at an example of a film "Penalty battalion"(who likes it, who doesn't, but as objectively as possible), who is there a PATRIOT, CRIMINAL, or a TRAITOR ... Oh, it's time to return powers:
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 15 February 2016 09: 13 New
      +7
      Why do this in a Russophobic film with a Ruslobe in the title role?
      1. oborzevatel
        oborzevatel 15 February 2016 09: 53 New
        +5
        Quote: Telemont
        But let's take the example of the movie "Penal Battalion"

        Not the best example, IMHO.
        Quote: Darkness
        Why do this in a Russophobic film with a Ruslobe in the title role?

        Serebryakov, who played a major role, got away to Canada, accepted Canadian citizenship there, and now he is pouring mud on the country.
        In early 2012, he emigrated with his family to Canada, reason for leaving, according to the actor himself, the unfavorable social situation prevailing in Russia was associated with the growth of aggression and intolerance, the authorities failed to observe the basic civil rights of the population. At the same time, becoming a citizen of Canada, he was forced to renounce Russian citizenship [
        1. Telemon
          Telemon 15 February 2016 10: 51 New
          -1
          Oops, -
          With an official statement, Serebryakov denied such information, citing an interview with Ukrainian journalists three years ago. Then the reason for the departure was the socio-economic situation in the country, but not a political protest.
          http://24smi.org/celebrity/135-aleksej-serebryakov.html
          So a reference, as the RULES say. COMMUNICATIONS at least.
          1. oborzevatel
            oborzevatel 15 February 2016 11: 48 New
            0
            Quote: Telemont
            So a reference, as the RULES say. COMMUNICATIONS at least.

            Billy, we need proofs! ...

            Keep:
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Серебряков%2C+Алексе
            th + Valerevich & tit
            le = Utility% 3A Search



            Here's more:
            http://www.kp.ru/daily/25846/2816833/
      2. Telemon
        Telemon 15 February 2016 09: 56 New
        -4
        What is the Russophobian film, maybe it has not been watched ... Explain, be Dobrinka. And tell us how you would act in that situation., A.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 February 2016 11: 31 New
          +4
          Quote: Telemont
          What is the Russophobian film, maybe it has not been watched ... Explain, be Dobrinka. And tell us how you would act in that situation., A.

          The very presence of Serebryakova will already racket this film. I do not think that living in Canada, he will defend Russia in the same way as he does in the film. In addition, political instructors are shown in the film with such evil spirits. There was none. And Serebryakov got along pretty well. He works here and spends money in Canada.
          1. oborzevatel
            oborzevatel 15 February 2016 11: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            In addition, political instructors are shown in the film with such evil spirits.

            And not just political instructors.
          2. Telemon
            Telemon 15 February 2016 12: 20 New
            -2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            The very presence of Serebryakov will already racket this film

            I didn’t hear the answer
            on the example of the film "Penal Battalion" (who likes it, who doesn't, but as objectively as possible), who is there a PATRIOT, CRIMINAL, or a TRAITOR ...
          3. Telemon
            Telemon 15 February 2016 13: 42 New
            -1
            Quote: Mordvin 3

            Mordvin 3
            (1)

            Today, 11: 31

            ↑ ↓


            Quote: Telemon What is a Russophobic film, maybe it has not been watched ... Explain, please Dobrinka. And tell us how you would have acted in that situation., A. The very presence of Serebryakov will already rob this film. I do not think that living in Canada, he will defend Russia in the same way as he does in the film. In addition, political instructors are shown in the film with such evil spirits. There was none. And Serebryakov got along pretty well. He works here and spends money in Canada.

            You are cowards, dirty tricks.
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 15 February 2016 10: 53 New
      0
      Non-profit organization "Smersh" :-)
      1. Telemon
        Telemon 15 February 2016 12: 35 New
        0
        laughing laughing
        Quote: sa-ag
        Non-profit organization "Smersh" :-)
  25. Nix1986
    Nix1986 15 February 2016 08: 50 New
    0
    In general, when someone from the government begins to talk about patriotism in zombies, he reminds me of an ardent swinger talking about the values ​​of family ties.
  26. Bort radist
    Bort radist 15 February 2016 09: 03 New
    +6
    ".... rivers, mountains and fields, this is my homeland .." More parents, ancestors, friends, a girl from our yard.
    The more tablets we have in our country - "Private property", the more the concept of patriotism will narrow down. Our generation lives by memory and hopes. They went to death for the Russian land, for the Motherland, and not for a place where they paid well. To return feelings - the master of the country, otherwise we will not withstand.
  27. rica1952
    rica1952 15 February 2016 09: 10 New
    +7
    As Saltykov-Shchedrin said: If you are talking about patriotism, then you steal completely.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 15 February 2016 09: 50 New
      +4
      Saltykov-Shchedrin said so because his life was well-fed and carefree: from an old noble family, ancestral estate, Moscow noble institute, Tsarskoye Selo Lyceum, vice-governor, rank of acting Councilor, numerous connections with all kinds of literary rabble, etc. .
      In such greenhouse conditions, and on the topic of patriotism pulls chatting.
      1. rica1952
        rica1952 15 February 2016 10: 12 New
        +4
        In Lenin, too, from a noble family, however, he gave a clear definition of the essence of capitalism. Not about that.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 15 February 2016 11: 34 New
          +3
          V.I. Lenin did not starve, he also lived in greenhouse conditions, and for the most part, he pondered his definitions of capitalism in cozy European zucchini.
  28. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 15 February 2016 09: 32 New
    +3
    The main educators in modern life are the media: TV, radio, print media.
    First of all, it is necessary to clear the central mass media of all-Russian scale from liberals. They are now aggressively corrupting the soul and body of youth.
    Further. It is necessary to switch from the "truth-false" dilemma to the "truth-false" dilemma. Since everyone has their own truth, it is as many-sided as a lie.
    But the truth is one, it is absolute. The meaning of religious education is to teach to distinguish truth from lies.
    The main weapon against Russia is lies and slander. It is these two tricks that Satan uses to turn people away from God - the truth.
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  30. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 15 February 2016 09: 58 New
    +5
    The party-Komsomol templates for holding events of the stagnant years of the Soviet regime have survived in our bureaucracy. Slogans were posted, meetings were held, money spent, unsubscribed, waiting for the next topic.
  31. urapatriot
    urapatriot 15 February 2016 10: 02 New
    +6
    It’s like in a fairy tale about King Midas: everything he touched turned into gold. And everything that sticky hands of the edrosovtsev reach for is turning into guamno. Now patriotism is next in turn. Parenting is primarily a personal example. A thief cannot raise a decent person, a coward - a brave man, a lying - truthful, etc.
  32. Damask
    Damask 15 February 2016 10: 11 New
    +3
    I even know the customers of the bill
  33. nimboris
    nimboris 15 February 2016 10: 24 New
    -1
    The author, you propose to allocate budget money to clubs for patriotic education and spend it uncontrollably if you do not like reporting. This will lead to what is known. It is clear that there is no trust in officials. It would be better for these clubs, at the legislative level, to expand opportunities for earning money for the declared goals, or to simplify the system of receiving grants for them. One of the main problems of any initiative at the amateur level is the lack of experience in accounting, correspondence with various authorities. Those same "gray mice" or "office plankton" to which I have the honor to belong. "Begging" is the main way of existence of non-profit organizations. They simply do not have enough specialists, such as an accountant, a lawyer, etc., necessary in this matter, who could do this work as it should. The question is who will pay them. The state, regional authorities or municipality could cover the expenses from the budget for the maintenance of these very specialists, where each of them could serve several institutions. The same organizational problems arise with TOS (territorial public self-government). The state wants to drive everyone under tax and other reporting, but how to find so many specialists for such a number of initiatives is not strong and thinks from the word at all.
    1. Kombrig
      Kombrig 15 February 2016 16: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: nimboris
      One of the main problems of any initiative at the amateur level is the lack of experience in accounting, correspondence with various authorities.


      The main problem is not lawyers and accountants, but the means, anyone who registered a public organization, already at the stage of submitting documents to become a specialist in this field)))) Regarding begging, you are fundamentally wrong, all sponsors appear mainly on personal dating leaders of these clubs and organizations and fixed assets are collected by participants ...
  34. obana
    obana 15 February 2016 10: 33 New
    +6
    After President Vladimir Putin declared that the national idea of ​​Russia is patriotism, member of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption Anatoly Vyborny (of course, from “ER”) took the initiative to develop a federal law “On Patriotic Education in Russia”. In his opinion, the country needs a regulatory framework governing the patriotic education, in addition, the law will oblige the executive authorities to conduct work on the patriotic education of young people.

    Patriotism - backgammon, everything else (money, yachts, villas, etc.) - to Putin and his friends, members of the Lake cooperative, the environment, in general, to all that 2% of the population, which owns more than 70% of Russia's property.
  35. sds87
    sds87 15 February 2016 10: 51 New
    +5
    Patriotism is brought up by good deeds for its people. When a person-citizen has all the conditions for a good life, then a person has pride in his country. And when in the country one can only be proud of the constantly increasing prosperity of the oligarchs, and a rapidly losing weight purse, then all the talk about patriotism - this really means that they stole the last and they do not see the way out of the black hole. For the system must be changed. Rotted on the vine and can not be repaired.
  36. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 15 February 2016 10: 57 New
    +7
    Patriotism cannot be declarative. So the gentlemen from United Russia are again going the wrong way. Until they back up everything with their actions and concrete deeds, all this will remain just a beautiful and touching shaking of air and dirty paper on the eve of the "Duma" elections. Where are the specific actions?
  37. Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 15 February 2016 11: 15 New
    +3
    And, by the way, this year they have already notified everyone that everyone survives as much as they can, because not a single ruble has been budgeted for any patriotic activity. The crisis, you know ...
    But Chubais Krisiz has no money, and there is "a lot" of money (read at least eat your ass) and now we "all" will be with nano-fur coats. Eh, I remember how I was for a fight at school and broken glass (in the process angry ) they didn’t accept the pioneers on time, and only a year later it was a shame not to transfer with the younger class (I still remember). This is me about patriotism if someone did not understand laughing
  38. kirgudu
    kirgudu 15 February 2016 11: 35 New
    +2
    Patriotism is good, but what is it for? Patriotism for the sake of patriotism or protecting the interests of the oligarchs? In World War II and in Agan, soldiers fought for their Soviet Motherland. And here? For his capitalist gangland homeland? And how can privatization and patriotism be combined?

    There will be no patriotism, unity of the people in a society of rich and poor
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  40. Bayonet
    Bayonet 15 February 2016 11: 55 New
    +3
    Patriotism, patriotism ... - a lot of words, but deeds? Who do you think is the real patriot of his homeland, the one who constantly screams about it, punches himself in the chest and stigmatizes everyone left and right, spits on the sidewalk and litter, or a modest hard worker, honestly doing his job, neat, landscaping to the best of his ability and opportunities house, courtyard, street, helping the elderly and sick children?
    1. Chisayna
      Chisayna 15 February 2016 14: 28 New
      -1
      I agree with you, if you do not praise yourself, then no one will do it for you.
  41. grigor-81
    grigor-81 15 February 2016 12: 43 New
    +2
    It is more important to return to their origins and not to forget the experience of the USSR
  42. ava09
    ava09 15 February 2016 12: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Corporal Valera
    The whole problem is that patriotism is not brought up at the highest levels of government.


    I will try to explain to those who are "in the tank". "Patriotism" is a FEELING, and feelings are not cultivated, they ARE CAUSED by someone or something. Meaning by patriotism LOVE for the Motherland, one must first of all figure out what causes this love? This is where such contradictions of today's Russia emerge that not only will there not be enough "many letters" from the author of the publication, it is simply pointless to discuss this global problem for Russia in such aspects ...
  43. Begemot
    Begemot 15 February 2016 13: 00 New
    +3
    Well, if the deputies took up the patriotic education - Khan to him.
    We saw in medicine, and in education, and in culture, and in science, and especially in the economy, what ends the participation of deputies in the process.
  44. iouris
    iouris 15 February 2016 13: 00 New
    0
    If the adoption of the law solves the problem, then let them adopt a law according to which the level of labor productivity and consumption in the Russian Federation will be higher than in the USA. Five times.
  45. aba
    aba 15 February 2016 13: 27 New
    0
    The law on patriotism is almost the same as someone else's desire to become Heracles.
  46. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 15 February 2016 13: 41 New
    -1
    Most important for RUSSIA social justice!
    And about patriotism is the expression of Samuel Johnson: "Patriotism is the last refuge of villains." With which they cover their personal interests. You can be a patriot from birth and by your own conviction, and not by someone's will.
  47. Al1977
    Al1977 15 February 2016 13: 52 New
    +2
    When they cannot cope with the economy, it is time to talk about patriotism and be sure to find enemies that prevent our people from living. Classics of the genre. And out of patriotic feelings, the government does not want to provide young families with housing? I have defended it for 10 years, almost 40 years already, and I still hear "Be patient a little more." But all the patriots in the government where to go. It's easier to fight with Obama on Devan, and to cut government orders with something to do.
  48. fa2998
    fa2998 15 February 2016 13: 55 New
    +4
    Quote: VP
    The question immediately arises, who are these experts who will be able to work out these very norms?

    I am a patriot, but I don’t need to teach me HOW TO LOVE THE HOMELAND! I don’t need all sorts of "experts" and interagency commissions, and legal acts. And yet, patriotism should not be confused with the support of Putin and United Russia. Every patriot chooses for himself. And then we have just express criticism, you are already a spy, the fifth column, leave from here, you don’t love your homeland! yes hi
  49. Fox
    Fox 15 February 2016 15: 09 New
    +2
    comments ... guys, no offense to you and no defense of Roman - he doesn’t need it. Which of you tried to study in the military-industrial complex? Really, what to do when working with teenagers? Without pay and days off? I was engaged ... I understand what the article was about and faced with condoms from the power-abomination of the sea, the return is zero. There is a real cut of the budget dough ... and those who are really engaged get those hands and heads. This is real.
  50. vvv-73
    vvv-73 15 February 2016 15: 36 New
    0
    Quote: kirgudu
    Patriotism is good, but what is it for? Patriotism for the sake of patriotism or protecting the interests of the oligarchs? In World War II and in Agan, soldiers fought for their Soviet Motherland. And here? For his capitalist gangland homeland? And how can privatization and patriotism be combined?

    There will be no patriotism, unity of the people in a society of rich and poor


    Well, actually, it was already under short-lived capitalism in the Russian Empire. Just don’t say that then there were no patriots. The Civil War was so bloody precisely because on both sides a huge number of patriots fought. Each only in his own way saw a blessing for the Motherland.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 15 February 2016 17: 22 New
      0
      Quote: vvv-73
      Everyone only in his own way saw a blessing for the Motherland.

      more precisely your future