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We are told a lie about the blockade of Leningrad

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Someone really wants to make the city-concentration camp Leningrad from the hero-city of Leningrad, in which during World War II 1941-1945. supposedly people died of hunger by hundreds of thousands of people.

At first they spoke about 600 of thousands of people who died of starvation and who died in Leningrad during the blockade.

January 27, 2016 at the news The first television channel told us that during the blockade, about 1 million people died of hunger, because supposedly the norms for giving out bread were less than 200 grams per day.

It is impossible not to pay attention to the fact that annually increasing the number of victims of the besieged city, no one bothered to substantiate his sensational statements, which diminish the honor and dignity of the heroic inhabitants of Leningrad.

Consider the false information in order, which on this issue is brought to the citizens of Russia by the media.

The first is not true - this is information about the number of days of the blockade. We are assured that Leningrad was in the blockade of 900 days. In reality, Leningrad was under siege 500 days, namely: from 8 September 1941, from the day the Germans captured Shlisselburg and ceased Leningrad’s land communication with the Great Land, to 18 in January 1943, when the Red Army reconnected drier

2 February 1943, long-distance trains went directly to the city of Leningrad.

The second is not true - this is a statement that Leningrad was in a blockade. In the dictionary of S.I. Ozhegov, the word blockade is interpreted as follows: "... the isolation of a hostile state, a city with the aim of stopping its relations with the outside world." Relationship with the outside world of Leningrad did not stop for a single day. Cargo was delivered to Leningrad around the clock, day and night by a continuous stream by rail and then by road or river transport (depending on the time of the year) along the 25 km via Ladoga Lake.

It supplied not only the city, but the whole Leningrad front weapons, shells, bombs, cartridges, spare parts and food.
Back to the railroad, cars and river vessels returned with people, and since the summer of 1942, with products produced by Leningrad enterprises.

The hero-city of Leningrad, besieged by the enemy, worked, fought, the children went to school, theaters and cinemas worked.

Hero-city Stalingrad was in the position of Leningrad from 23 August 1942, when the Germans in the north managed to break through to the Volga, until 2, February 1943, when the last, northern group of German troops at Stalingrad laid down their arms.

Stalingrad, like Leningrad, was supplied through a water barrier (in this case, the Volga River) by road and water transport. Together with the city, as in Leningrad, the troops of the Stalingrad Front were supplied. As in Leningrad, the cargoes delivered by cars and river vessels took people out of the city. But no one writes and says that Stalingrad 160 days was under siege.

The third is not true - this is not true about the number of people who died of hunger from Leningrad.

The population of Leningrad before the war, in 1939, was 3,1 million. and it worked around 1000 industrial enterprises. By 1941, the population of the city could tentatively be 3,2 million.

A total of 1943 a million people were evacuated until February 1,7. 1,5 million people left in the city.

Evacuation continued not only in the 1941 year, until the German armies approached, but also the 1942 year. KA Meretskov wrote that even before the spring thaw on Ladoga, more than 300 thousands of tons of all kinds of cargo were delivered to Leningrad and about half a million people who needed care and treatment were taken out. A. M. Vasilevsky confirms the delivery of goods and removal of people at a specified time.

Evacuation continued in the period from June 1942 of the year to January of 1943, and if its rates did not decrease, then it can be assumed that at least 500 thousand more were evacuated over the indicated half a year.

Residents of the city of Leningrad were constantly called into the army, replenishing the ranks of the fighters and commanders of the Leningrad front, dying from the shelling of Leningrad with long-range guns and bombs dropped by the nazis from airplanes, dying of natural death, as they die at all times. The number of residents who died for these reasons, in my opinion, is at least 600 thousand people.

The V.O. encyclopedia of the war indicated that in 1943, in Leningrad, no more than 800 thousand inhabitants remained. The number of deceased residents of Leningrad from hunger, cold, and everyday insecurity could not exceed the difference between one million and nine hundred thousand people, that is, 100 thousand people.
About a hundred thousand people who died of starvation in Leningrad are a colossal number of victims, but this is not enough for the enemies of Russia to declare Joseph Stalin, Soviet power, to be guilty of the death of millions of people, and also to declare that Leningrad was necessary in 1941 year surrender to the enemy.

The conclusion from the conducted study is one: media statements about the death in Leningrad during the blockade from starvation, as one million city residents, and 600 thousand people do not correspond to reality, are untrue.

The development of events speaks of the overestimation by our historians and politicians of the number of people who died of starvation during the blockade.

In the most difficult position to provide food, the inhabitants of the city were in the period from October 1 to December 24 1941. As they say, from October 1, the ration of bread was reduced for the third time - workers and engineers received 400 grams of bread per day, employees, dependents, and children 200 grams. From November 20 (5-e decline), workers received 250 of bread per day. All others - on 125.

9 December 1941, our troops liberated Tikhvin, and from December 25 1941, the standards for the issuance of food products began to increase.

That is, for the entire time of the blockade, it was precisely during the period from November 20 to December 24 that 1941 of the year the norms for issuing food products were so miserable that weak and sick people could die of starvation. During the rest of the time, established nutritional standards could not lead to starvation.

Since February, 1942, the supply of residents of the city with food in sufficient quantity for life has been adjusted and maintained until the blockade was broken.

They supplied food and troops of the Leningrad front, and were supplied normally. Even the liberals do not write about one case of death from starvation in the army that defended besieged Leningrad. The whole front was supplied with weapons, ammunition, uniforms, food.

Supplying food supplies to non-evacuated residents was a “drop in the ocean” compared to the needs of the front, and I am sure that the level of food supply to the city in 1942 did not allow for deaths from starvation.

In the documentary footage, in particular, from the film “Unknown War”, the Leningraders leaving for the front, working in factories and cleaning the streets of the city in the spring of 1942, do not look haggard, like, for example, prisoners of German concentration camps.

The residents of Leningrad constantly received rationed products, but the residents of the cities occupied by the Germans, for example, Pskov and Novgorod, who had no relatives in the villages, really died of starvation. And how many of these cities occupied during the Nazi invasion were in the Soviet Union !?

In my opinion, the Leningrad residents, who constantly received rations of food products and were not subjected to executions, hijacked to Germany, and harassed by invaders, were in a better position compared to the inhabitants of the Soviet cities occupied by the Germans.

The 1991 Encyclopaedic Dictionary of the Year indicates that about 470 thousands of victims of the blockade and participants of the defense were buried in the Piskaryovsky cemetery.
Not only those who died of starvation, but also the soldiers of the Leningrad front who died during the blockade from wounds in the hospitals of Leningrad, city residents who died from shelling and bombardment, city residents who died natural deaths, and, possibly, died in the Piskaryov cemetery battles military personnel of the Leningrad Front.

And how is it possible for our 1 TV channel to tell the whole country about the almost million people who died of starvation in Leningrad ?!

It is known that during the attack on Leningrad, the siege of the city and the retreat, the Germans had huge losses. But our historians and politicians are silent about them.
Some even write that there was no need to defend the city, but it was necessary to surrender it to the enemy, and then the Leningrad people would avoid starvation, and the soldiers of bloody battles.

And they write and talk about it, knowing that Hitler promised to destroy all the inhabitants of Leningrad.

I think they also understand that the fall of Leningrad would mean the death of a huge number of the population of the northwestern part of the USSR and the loss of an enormous amount of material and cultural values.

In addition, the liberated German and Finnish troops could be deployed near Moscow and to other sectors of the Soviet-German front, which in turn could lead to the victory of Germany and the destruction of the entire population of the European part of the Soviet Union.

Regret that Leningrad was not surrendered to the enemy, can only haters of Russia.

In the photo: Spectators before the performance at the Leningrad Musical Comedy Theater. 01.05.1942
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  1. smart Fox
    smart Fox 13 February 2016 08: 05
    +3
    To find out the truth about the blockade, mathematical calculations alone are not enough. Better read the memoirs of Academician D.S. Likhachev.
    1. venaya
      venaya 13 February 2016 08: 11
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      Really DS Likhachev can be an authority on this issue. I had to spend a lot of time on his research, but I did not find any impartiality there, more like his personal opinion. Without mathematical verification of the "eyewitness" reports, you should not trust them too much.
      1. smart Fox
        smart Fox 13 February 2016 14: 40
        10
        and he was not an authority, he just survived the blockade, all, from the very first day to the last !!!
        I had to spend a lot of time researching it.
        How long does it take to read a book of memories?
        He did not investigate the blockade, he simply told how it was, without emotions and numbers. What he saw, then described. You read.
        1. gav6757
          gav6757 25 July 2016 21: 09
          +1
          I think that the main question of the article is not new - was it necessary to pass Leningrad ?!
          It’s clear to everyone, okrom der der Mokrat, that the city of Lenin must not be surrendered!
          This is a flag for the whole country, it is an example for the whole people of the USSR, it is a banner for the soldiers who fought on the fronts !!!
          And so, the article is controversial, of course, but "you can't find the truth without a dispute!"
      2. nnz226
        nnz226 12 July 2016 14: 33
        +3
        My father’s older sister survived the blockade. So the calculations about only 100000 of the dead cause big doubts! It is clear that Leningraders perished both from shelling, and from bombing, and from hunger. But you can adapt to shelling and bombing, but in any way to dystrophy and hunger! so it’s real that the losses of Leningraders could be (in aggregate) the mentioned 600000 - 1000000 people. By the way, Likhachev in his memoirs is right that not only troops but also refugees from the Baltic retreated to Leningrad (another aunt with my then 4-year-old cousin in her arms, being the wife of the Red Army commander, first drove by car, and then when the Luftwaffe bombed the car, walked from Lithuania already!). And refugees from the Pskov, Novgorod regions, Luga, etc.? They also went, went to Leningrad. What is their fate? They were not registered in Leningrad; did they receive cards and rations?
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 13 February 2016 08: 17
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      But what always surprises me: people do not know how the door opens in the archives, they have never held archival documents in their hands, but ... they write - "I think", "I think". There are data on OK VKP (b) and personally to Comrade Zhdanov, everything is there. But "I think so." Where does this and such come from, and why are they?
      However, yes, if you read only the newspaper Pravda before the summer of 42 about the blockade, then everything was wonderful there. But then Zhdanov’s article on the blockade appeared and the film was released ...
      1. venaya
        venaya 13 February 2016 08: 40
        +1
        kalibr: "then Zhdanov’s article on the blockade appeared and the film was released ..."- and who paid for this film? Only the birds sing for free, all information must be carefully checked, seriously analyzed. The final conclusions should not be trusted to politicized figures in any case, no matter what political views they have, this business can only be trusted by unbiased specialists.
        1. larand
          larand 13 February 2016 10: 30
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          Quote: venaya
          It is not worth trusting the final conclusions to trust politicized figures in any case, no matter what political views they have, this business can only be trusted by unbiased specialists.

          Unfortunately, in a democratic Russian Federation they lie not only about Leningrad and the war in general. They lie about everything that happened from 1917 to the 1991 bourgeois coup. There is only one sense - since after the coup we were again divided into masters with their servants and slaves, then the slaves should not know the truth in order not to rebel. Soon there will be no "scoops" for whom it is difficult to "hang noodles" about those times, and those born after the coup can sculpt anything, there will be no one to refute. Well, science is history, almost as reliable as statistics.
          1. aleks700
            aleks700 13 February 2016 11: 18
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            Unfortunately, in a democratic RF they lie not only about Leningrad and the war as a whole. They lie about everything that happened from the 1917 of the year to the bourgeois coup of the 1991 of the year
            Oh, and then suddenly stopped. They lied and will lie. However, this is done by any government. The point is the extent of the lie and its expediency at this time
          2. evge-malyshev
            evge-malyshev 13 February 2016 11: 29
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            Quote: larand
            Well, science is history, almost as reliable as statistics


            I would put a dozen, a hundred, etc. pluses for your comment. Only the haters of Russia can regret that Leningrad was not surrendered to the enemy. Thank.
          3. cap
            cap 13 February 2016 12: 43
            +7
            Germany defeated. Fact. Flag over the Reistag, red without stripes. Fact. City on the Neva River. Fact. The rest of the evil one.

            Quote: larand
            Well, science is history, almost as reliable as statistics.
            is an axiom requiring no proof.
          4. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan 13 February 2016 14: 19
            -9
            What lies then.
            27 million dead. What is there to lie.
            These data are calculated by mathematical methods, based on census data.
            1. Alexey M
              Alexey M 13 February 2016 15: 53
              +4
              Quote: Cap.Morgan
              What lies then.
              27 million dead. What is there to lie.
              These data are calculated by mathematical methods, based on census data.

              And when I was little they said 40, 0000, 000, and in 60, 000, 000 numbers were called. And who to believe? We will probably never know the whole truth about the Great Patriotic War.
            2. Altona
              Altona 13 February 2016 21: 06
              +4
              Quote: Cap.Morgan
              27 million dead. What is there to lie.
              These data are calculated by mathematical methods, based on census data.

              ------------------------
              27 million dead, an approximate figure, taking into account the civilian population who died in the occupied territories. Data on changes in the population are obtained by three methods: 1) archival; 2) census; 3) comparative.
          5. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 14 February 2016 06: 00
            +4
            Quote: larand
            larand (

            I agree with you on everything 100 ++++++++++

            For me, an understanding of what is happening in the besieged Leningrad has developed from several events
            In 1989, in Leningrad, a very neatly dressed old woman stood in front of me in a small queue for bread in the "buloshnaya", going up to the counter she asked the seller to cut off an eight piece of bread for her. The saleswoman fulfilled the wish, the old woman took out 2 kopecks from the old-fashioned reticule and put it on the counter, then took out a handkerchief of extraordinary whiteness and carefully wrapped a piece of bread in it ... I still remember that.
            I also remember very much a conversation with an old worker from the Kirov (Putilov) plant, who during the blockade from 15 years worked at this plant for the entire blockade, until at the end of 43 he removed his "reservation" and went to the front, reaching Prague.
            The city did not die ..., the city fought, the city worked, the city studied, the city lived!
            Piskaryovka and numerous monuments, monuments, plaques and white graffiti:
            "This side of the street is the most dangerous during shelling."
            There is also a documentary film, not a modern craft, but a film shot by documentary filmmakers during the blockade, which bears the same name.
            I personally heroism, courage, dedication of the Leningradites causes only one desire:
            bow your head before their EXPLOIT.
            Glory to the Hero City of Leningrad and Leningraders!
            zy.A to argue and prove something to the newly-arrived Judas absolutely do not want to. soldier
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          7. Erg
            Erg 18 January 2017 22: 59
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            Quote: larand
            They lie about everything that happened from 1917 until the 1991 bourgeois coup.

            I would clarify a little. And until 1917, and after 1991. hi
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 13 February 2016 11: 26
          +7
          The film was paid for by the Soviet state. And who did you think? US State Department? I clearly wrote the film was released in the summer of 1942, when it became clear that the city survived! But in the USSR there were no unbiased then. Everything was within the dictatorship of the proletariat.
        3. captain
          captain 13 February 2016 11: 40
          12
          The author wrote an article that many people don’t like. He is already accused of corruption by liberals and I think that this is not the end of all the accusations. The author does not refute that a lot of people died, but disputes the figures that appear in the press and on television. His article will cause anger among the Communists and their supporters - Zhdanov is sacred to them and naturally the Communist leader could not lie. The liberals will be unhappy with him; it turns out, due to Stalin's fault, not so many people died as they strive to inspire the people. I liked the article, the author was not afraid to touch on a very painful topic for our people, it makes us think about what they say to us from TV screens.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 13 February 2016 12: 15
            +8
            Not being afraid is one thing, it's not difficult. But where are the links to archival documents. And the table ... On the left - "it is considered", on the right - "in fact" - and it is indicated: the author's count according to the documents .... №№№№№№№№№. Where is it?
          2. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan 13 February 2016 14: 22
            +6
            The weight of Zhdanov personally has not changed. This is reflected in his honey card. Both before and after the blockade, the outstanding leader of the party and state weighed equally. Hence the conclusion. There was no famine in Leningrad.
          3. denis02135
            denis02135 13 February 2016 14: 52
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            Dear captain

            "Not only those who died of hunger are buried at the Piskarevskoye cemetery, but also the fighters of the Leningrad Front who died during the blockade from wounds in hospitals in Leningrad, residents of the city who died from artillery shelling and bombing, residents of the city who died a natural death, and, possibly, died servicemen of the Leningrad Front in battles. "
            Leonid Maslovsky

            Would Actor need to go to St. Petersburg and visit at least Volkovskoye, Victims of January 9, Serafimovskoye, Smolenskoye cemeteries, or did he only hear about Piskarevskoye?
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 13 February 2016 17: 49
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              And on Bogoslovsky there are burials, by the way, it is ten minutes walk from it to Piskarevka. It's just that the Piskarevskoye Memorial Cemetery is not a cemetery in the classical sense, it is a huge mass grave, in which both soldiers and civilians of Leningrad are buried. As well as the territory of Moscow Victory Park, where the crematorium was located during the war, was strewn with ashes. I still cannot overcome myself and enter the gates of Piskaryovka. Well, I have no right to walk on the grave !!! So I stood at the entrance ... As for the article and its discussion, it was always amazed how easily they sometimes throw huge numbers, especially when it comes to wars and deaths. Yes, "the death of one is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic", isn't it, gentlemen, accountants ?! ... Childhood was spent at 139 Fontanka - a classic "well" with classical acoustics. And every morning a heart-rending cry was heard: "K-o-o-lonka !!!" Screamed grandmother Antonina, the siege. In almost every apartment of our house lived blockade women, specifically blockade women, and almost all of them were lonely ... They told Antonina's story: in January 1942, her one-year-old son died in her arms, and ... in general, what was left was She was taken away by the neighbors and taken to the body collection point, it was not far away. Her insanity was atypical, "covered" in the morning, apparently at the hour of the child's death. Otherwise, she was no different, received a pension, went to the store for groceries. Therefore, I did not find myself in the clinic. So until the end of her days she remained with her grief, she died quietly in 1979. For the first and last time in my memory, the whole courtyard gathered to spend ... Well, yes, a special case, it happens, say "accountants". Yes, for this one "special case" it is worth going and punishing, tearing your teeth for the mere thought of denying the tragedy or allowing the repetition of something like that ... And on Piskarevskoye, most likely, I will never enter, again, silently, I bow at the gate.
              1. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth 13 February 2016 18: 27
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                Quote: Paranoid50
                ... again, silently, I bow to the gate.

                Your story is not a comment.
                This is a protest against the war, and a hymn to the feat.
                One of my uncles who died was the defender of Leningrad, buried in Kolpino. He died on March 31, 1942.
                Tolik would your feelings and conscience to the author of the article.
                Sincerely.
          4. super.ufu
            super.ufu 13 February 2016 17: 27
            +7
            Quote: captain
            I liked the article, the author was not afraid to touch on a very painful topic for our people, it makes us think about what they say to us from TV screens.

            In the sense of clinging with dirty hands- it was 3-1.5, 1,5 left, no, 600 is a lot?
            Does it affect?

            Quote: captain
            the second does not refute that a lot of people died, but disputes the figures that appear in the press and on television

            How disproves?
            He sat on his knee, counted and done, tyap-blunder?
            I understand that he would have sat in the archives for 20 years, but then he sat there, sobered.

            His article will cause anger among the Communists and their supporters - Zhdanov is sacred to them and naturally the Communist leader could not lie. The liberals will be unhappy with him; it turns out, due to Stalin's fault, not so many people died as they strive to inspire the people.

            In the article about this character there is not a word, what are you talking about?
      2. Villon
        Villon 13 February 2016 10: 57
        +4
        Quote: kalibr
        write - "I think", "I think". There are data on OK VKP (b) and personally to Comrade Zhdanov, everything is there. But "I think so." Where does this and such come from, and why are they?

        Would you like people not to count and think? Just imagine what kind of freedom for unscrupulous specialists there would be! In the absence of the ability to count or think, everyone would believe them. They would not have had to work then, which is clearly burdening them now. And there would be one single "ministry of truth" (as in Orwell's novel), which would send them instructions on what to write.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 13 February 2016 11: 28
          +6
          I would like them to go to the archive before "thinking" and writing!
    3. Private27
      Private27 13 February 2016 09: 22
      +3
      Read better SolZhenitsen.
      1. Evil Kind
        Evil Kind 13 February 2016 10: 21
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        Something went a new fashionable topic, people are slowly coming to the conclusion that there is no blockade (this is me towards the liberals, not the state media). Already the pseudo-historian journalist Chubais (not the one Chubais you thought about) argued with a real historian Armen Gasparyan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF0WVitFzOw&feature=youtu.be. Gasparyan tells him dates, links to archives, specific numbers, and Chubais answers with slogans, that’s the whole historian.
        It looks like they will soon say that the Germans brought bread to Leningrad. And voila, the Germans will remove themselves from such guilt as the blockade of Leningrad and you will not present them with anything, because. in the new history rewritten by such "historians" and in the future at least once recognized by the state (if God forbid the liberals come to power) it turns out that there was no blockade.
        This is how people are gradually led to the opinion they need. You write a completely patriotic article that caresses people who are not indifferent to their country, BUT you make a small BOOK in it (you need it, for example: the blockade was two times less, and after a while they will justify that it did not exist) People put pluses , generally agree with the article, by default they agree with this BOOKMARK, after years of work the necessary opinion has been formed.
        I am suspicious of such articles, minus from me
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander 13 February 2016 15: 08
          +3
          Quote: Evil Good Man
          It seems that they will soon say that the Germans brought bread to Leningrad. And voila, the Germans will take off such blame as the blockade of Leningrad


          Germany recognized the Leningrad blockade victims of the Holocaust. Blockade Jews. So here it is ....
      2. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 13 February 2016 10: 22
        10
        Solzhenitsyn is my favorite comedian, I like to read something funny.
    4. Proxima
      Proxima 13 February 2016 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: sly fox
      To find out the truth about the blockade ...

      Here is the author of the article and revealed the "truth" to us. The article is a continuous collection of fried sensations, "revelations" and information "bombs".
      Bomb No. 1. It turns out that during almost 900 days of the siege, the inhabitants of Leningrad received, in most cases, a ration of more than "125 blockade grams" - who would have thought!
      Bomb number 2. It turns out that in the Piskaryovskoye cemetery not only those who died of starvation, but also natural deaths, those who died from the bombing, the soldiers who died, and so on, are buried. Wow!
      Bomb number 3
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 13 February 2016 12: 30
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        Bomb No. 3 It turns out that the blockade ended in February 1943, and a flood of pickles immediately poured from the mainland. The author is aware that only a narrow isthmus was recaptured, which was shot through by German artillery, and in the most dangerous areas the engine drivers didn’t even throw fuel into the firebox of the engine so that the German wouldn’t shoot by smoke? And what is the capacity of such a railway? How was it built, laying sleepers directly on a frozen swamp? Then, thousands of workers during the operation of the road poured the base of the embankment. The same workers with the help of primitive pulleys pulled out cars that had gone downhill.
        ARTICLE BOLD MINUS.
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 13 February 2016 15: 29
        +2
        Bomb No. 1. It turns out that during almost 900 days of the siege, the inhabitants of Leningrad received, in most cases, a ration of more than "125 blockade grams" - who would have thought!


        It is strange that for you this is a bomb.

        Bomb No. 3 It turns out that the blockade ended in February 1943 and a flood of pickles immediately poured from the mainland


        Well, the author has somewhat exaggerated the significance of this road, however, you can’t trample against facts.
        Firstly, those who lived in the USSR and loved to read (and there were the majority) well know that the lion's share of starvation deaths in Leningrad was really in the winter of 1941. Personally, I read a lot about the blockade of Leningrad from Yu. Pomozov "Blockade youth" as a child, before A. Adamovich "Blockade book" at a later time. And usually the description of the horrors of the blockade ends by the summer of 1942. When, on the one hand, the population of the city decreased, and, on the other hand, the supply improved. In subsequent winters, there was no such famine.
        I won’t talk about the numbers of those who died of starvation; this information was not imprinted in my memory. But the author’s reasoning seems to me very logical.
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 13 February 2016 16: 13
          +1
          Quote: alicante11
          Bomb No. 1. It turns out that during almost 900 days of the siege, the inhabitants of Leningrad received, in most cases, a ration of more than "125 blockade grams" - who would have thought!


          It is strange that for you this is a bomb.

          Do you know such a concept - "figurative meaning"?
        2. Proxima
          Proxima 13 February 2016 16: 28
          +4
          Quote: alicante11


          Well, the author has somewhat exaggerated the significance of this road.

          On the contrary, it is very difficult to exaggerate the significance of this road, as well as overestimate the importance of the road of life. I’m talking about something else, from the article we can conclude that all the troubles for Leningraders did not end in January 1944, but in February 1943. That is, the last year of the blockade was no longer a blockade.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 14 February 2016 05: 14
            +1
            I’m talking about something else, from the article we can conclude that all the troubles for Leningraders did not end in January 1944, but in February 1943. That is, the last year of the blockade was no longer a blockade.


            I understood, but I personally did not notice this. The author understands perfectly well that there were dead from air raids, from shelling. They are simply not discussed in the article. Well, the author did not set himself such a task, he mentioned everything. It's about the dead from hunger.
            What is the author wrong about? Is that the vast majority of those who died of starvation in the winter of 41? Or is there a land connection in 43? The point is to argue with the determination, was there a blockade or not? There was no complete blockade. Land blockade - was until 1943. The limited blockade was before 1944.
      3. your1970
        your1970 13 February 2016 16: 28
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        to hold the author on 125 grams of bread ...
        They ate everything that was possible and impossible - including carpentry glue and belts, thousands of memories that died on the go, that they didn’t sit on the floor, because then there wasn’t enough strength to stand up, that the soldiers had rifles on the ropes — it’s easier, the photos of after all, where corpses visible in the snow on the streets are visible.

        An, no, and they are full, and all 500 days, and for what status is they blocking?

        MINUSTER to the author is bold !!!!!!!!!!!
      4. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 13 February 2016 19: 57
        +8
        Quote: Proxima
        Quote: sly fox
        To find out the truth about the blockade ...

        Here is the author of the article and revealed the "truth" to us. The article is a continuous collection of fried sensations, "revelations" and information "bombs".
        Bomb No. 1. It turns out that during almost 900 days of the siege, the inhabitants of Leningrad received, in most cases, a ration of more than "125 blockade grams" - who would have thought!
        Bomb number 2. It turns out that in the Piskaryovskoye cemetery not only those who died of starvation, but also natural deaths, those who died from the bombing, the soldiers who died, and so on, are buried. Wow!
        Bomb number 3



        I agree with you. To write on such a topic, few facts are enough. And there are few archives. You need to feel this atmosphere.
        I live in St. Petersburg. By the way, I really didn't like it when the name "Leningrad" was gone. St. Petersburg is the center, within Obvodny and Fontanka. And the giant city that withstood the blockade is called Leningrad.
        But the spirit of the inhabitants of the city remained the same. And to write about these people, you need to know them.
        Speaking of graves. This is not only cemeteries. In Victory Park there is a modest plate reminding that there was a brick factory on this place where the corpses of the dead were burned ...
        I did not like the article. One cannot speak of the feat of the people only in numbers ...
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 13 February 2016 22: 33
          +1
          Quote: Stock Officer
          I did not like the article. One cannot speak of the feat of the people only in numbers ...

          What are the numbers? With "NUMBERS" I come across all the time. I am also a resident of Leningrad ... There is a concentration camp, there is a ghetto. And here is a huge city, a continuous concentration camp. Family, relatives, neighbors, acquaintances who lived on the other side of the city, colleagues. AND EVERYONE - EVERYONE LIVED IN NON-HUMAN CONDITIONS! Enterprises, theaters, concert halls also operated ..! It is impossible to imagine! And here, it turns out, not everything was so bad! I recommend the author of this article to meet with these PEOPLE. For well-known reasons, he will communicate with people who looked at this NIGHTMARE WITH CHILD'S EYES. My father was born in 1932. All his life he regretted only one thing, that he did not have a CHILD!
        2. palm
          palm 15 February 2016 23: 26
          0
          Leningrad. Ah ah ah. And we don’t know the history of the city. There was no giant city. One can easily compare the population size and the city map, for example, 1916 -2.4 MLN, 1927 2.4 MLN and 1939- 3.0 MLN of the year. There are no striking differences on the map. and the increased population is leveled by the indestructible Petersburg communal apartments. He was once in one on the Grodno lane, almost opposite the American consulate. Just like from the song, there are only one restroom in 39 rooms. And the mentioned victory park was just a wasteland. http://kupsilla.ru.dev.gbk.ru/map/1939a.jpg
    5. Sweles
      Sweles 13 February 2016 15: 32
      +1
      to establish the truth about the real famine in Leningrad, one must look at when these terrible figures began to appear under Stalin or after, if after that the matter is absolutely clear precisely the era of Khrushchev was the time of debunking the "cult of personality." There were articles that Khrushchev burned documents concerning Stalin's period and their own participation in it.
      However, the "personality cult" of STALIN was not questioned even in Brezhnev's times, so a big lie flourished in Brezhnev's times.
      1. Walking
        Walking 14 February 2016 08: 31
        +4
        And those Leningraders who died already on the mainland, evacuated from overeating, counted from the effects of hunger? But there were not a few of them.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 February 2016 08: 08
    +1
    In my opinion, the Leningrad residents, who constantly received rations of food products and were not subjected to executions, hijacked to Germany, and harassed by invaders, were in a better position compared to the inhabitants of the Soviet cities occupied by the Germans.


    Ahtor, why not talk to the blockade yourself? Weak? And to write any crap is not weak? These are, then they question our Victory in the Second World War! MINUSTER!

    author. It is known that during the attack on Leningrad, the siege of the city and the retreat, the Germans had huge losses. But our historians and politicians are silent about them.

    And who called them to fight us?
    1. creak
      creak 13 February 2016 11: 43
      12
      Quote: aszzz888
      It is known that during the attack on Leningrad, the siege of the city and the retreat, the Germans had huge losses. But our historians and politicians are silent about them.


      In his memoirs, H. Noenbusch, who fought near Leningrad as part of the Wehrmacht’s 126th Infantry Division, writes that after four days of fighting on the Sinyavinsky Heights, his company lost 100 people. and there were no more than 15 in service. About the same situation prevailed in other companies of his battalion.
      However, one should not go to the other extreme - the losses were enormous on both sides - and on the other, it could not be in such a meat grinder and not only near Leningrad ...
      Therefore, trying to somehow downplay the scale of losses and hardships suffered by our people means distorting the true picture of the price at which the victory over a well-functioning, well-trained German military machine was achieved ...
      My parents, who went through the whole war and met at the front and their fellow soldiers, did not bear the spirit of those who tried to varnish the harsh and sometimes ugly prose of war for the sake of the current political situation.
      The wonderful Russian poet Tvardovsky said correctly "One lie is at a loss for us, and only the truth is in the court .."
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 13 February 2016 15: 35
      +1
      These are, then they question our Victory in the Second World War! MINUSTER!


      Strange, dear, have you read the article? Where is Victory being questioned there? The author only says that the loss of the civilian population from starvation was less than the accepted 500 thousand - 1 million. people And I don't see how this can cast a shadow on Victory. Rather, on the contrary, the increase in numbers leads readers to think about the "Pyrrhic" Victory. "And what are they celebrating? The death of 30-40-50 million people, the death of 1 million St. Petersburg residents by starvation." This is approximately how the liberals "acted" in spring.
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 13 February 2016 17: 15
        +3
        Quote: alicante11
        These are, then they question our Victory in the Second World War! MINUSTER!


        Strange, dear, have you read the article? Where is Victory being questioned there? The author only says that the loss of the civilian population from starvation was less than the accepted 500 thousand - 1 million. people And I don't see how this can cast a shadow on Victory. Rather, on the contrary, the increase in numbers leads readers to think about the "Pyrrhic" Victory. "And what are they celebrating? The death of 30-40-50 million people, the death of 1 million St. Petersburg residents by starvation." This is approximately how the liberals "acted" in spring.

        Here I completely agree with you. Personally, I put the article minus for the fact that the author talks about elementary things, presents it as a sensation. Yes, everything was with food supply. On the cards they gave out meat, cheese, stew and much more, but it happened that 125 grams of bread were not given out either. He just wasn’t! There were periods when in Leningrad 30 thousand people died of hunger every day! And the fact that this terrible period did not last 900 days, but several months - this does not detract from the suffering of Leningrad residents.
      2. Stas57
        Stas57 13 February 2016 17: 58
        +2
        Quote: alicante11
        Strange, dear, have you read the article? Where is Victory being questioned there? The author only says that the loss of the civilian population from starvation was less than the accepted 500 thousand - 1 million. people And I don't see how this can cast a shadow on Victory. Rather, on the contrary, the increase in numbers leads readers to think about the "Pyrrhic" Victory. "And what are they celebrating? The death of 30-40-50 million people, the death of 1 million St. Petersburg residents by starvation." This is approximately how the liberals "acted" in spring.

        I generally propose to say that 3 million died during the war, and that, first of all, why be upset once again, and secondly, no slander, no "Pyrrhic" victory, and all the idiots will be happy.
        What upsets people, and the garbage that in both Soviet and post-Soviet about 700 is confirmed by all serious researchers, but let's go on about the stupid, better, huh?
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 14 February 2016 04: 29
          0
          What upsets people, and the garbage that in both Soviet and post-Soviet about 700 is confirmed by all serious researchers, but let's go on about the stupid, better, huh?


          No, let's better talk about 50mln who died in the Second World War and 100mln in the Gulag, and then the value of Victory will grow immeasurably.
          Maybe just tell the truth, and not downplay or exaggerate? And then everyone criticizes the author, but there are no specific figures in the comments.
  3. Damask
    Damask 13 February 2016 08: 26
    -3
    The whole truth depends on the fee paid by the State Department
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 13 February 2016 08: 31
      +4
      Quote: Damask
      The whole truth depends on the fee paid by the State Department


      Sometimes the veracity of the author’s words is verified from other sources, in particular, this is what Wikipedia writes about the blockade:
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Блокада_Ленинграда#.D0.97.D0.B8.D0.BC.D0.B0_1941.E
      2.80.941942_.D0.B3.D0.BE.D0.B4.D0.BE.D0.B2


      In any case, we must bow to the waist of both the soldiers who defended Leningrad and its inhabitants, whose share these trials fell ...
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 13 February 2016 11: 38
      0
      Do you think the State Department pays so much?
  4. Koshak
    Koshak 13 February 2016 08: 28
    14
    A strange article, like mixing truth and speculation.

    Quote: aszzz888
    author. It is known that during the attack on Leningrad, the siege of the city and the retreat, the Germans had huge losses. But our historians and politicians are silent about them.

    And who called them to fight us?


    Much has been written about the blockade, including the memories of the blockade - when reading these books, there is somehow no desire to personally try ...
    Grandfather defended Leningrad, and all his life after the war he did not allow a crumb of bread to fall ...
    1. blizart
      blizart 13 February 2016 09: 03
      10
      1964 Olympic champion in freestyle wrestling Ivanitsky A.V. suffered a blockade in childhood. According to the memoirs of his father-in-law, he kept a piece of bread with all five of his whole life. Imagine 106 kg of a man 190 cm growth of squeezing bread in a fist. The Germans probably didn’t sit next to them.
  5. Valery 1966
    Valery 1966 13 February 2016 08: 37
    10
    The courage of the Leningrad Army and the Baltic Fleet in besieged Leningrad to withstand 2,5 years of fascist fascism .... it costs a lot !!!! Eternal memory to those who survived and died during those war years !!!
  6. pravednik
    pravednik 13 February 2016 08: 53
    +8
    Nor can I understand: Why are some so-called historians who live at the expense of the people pour so much dirt and crap on the past of their country? Why are they allowed to preach this filth? Why are they not held accountable? Only in Russia do we have such historians who, for the money, are ready to defraud their homeland 1000 years ago. And why do TV editors, and high-ranking officials, allow this defamation? And all this is done at public expense. It turns out that these historians teach Russians to hate their HOMELAND. What is prepared for MATUSHA RUSSIA with such scum.
    1. ostrom
      ostrom 13 February 2016 09: 51
      +6
      1991 is the milestone from which the most "vague coach of the historical time of Russia" started. A certain truth surfaced, sometimes hidden truth, but the lie of a century or more did not lag behind, just crawled out, on the basis of these new historical facts, the latest historical theories were built. It seems to me that it is not enough to use someone else's authority to substantiate any statement on historical events, since it can be biased, tendentious, etc. Facts, materials, documents, their analysis, tied to the events of that time, can shed some light on the truth. But even in this case, the information is trapped by the danger of distortion associated with the political characteristics of the time being considered, since for any reason, objective, reliable information could be destroyed, or a substitution was made with distortion of reliable information. It is not possible to achieve 100% truth even in recent history. You don't have to go far, just take the period from 1982 to the present day ... how many lies have already accumulated during this period? But many of these lies have already formed the basis of "SCIENTIFIC WORKS", literary works, articles, comments ... 300-500 years will pass, where is the guarantee that someone studying the history of this time will receive reliable information by studying the above " works "? The eternal question - What is truth, is relevant as always ...
      1. King, just king
        King, just king 13 February 2016 12: 31
        +6
        And why since the 91st. From the year since the 86th broke the sewer ...
        1. ostrom
          ostrom 13 February 2016 13: 20
          +3
          I agree that in 96, even a little earlier, there were already prerequisites, but the "Pandora's Box" was still opened in 91. From that moment on, the people were allowed to "do everything." Up to this point, listening to meetings at the CDC was more like some kind of unprecedented show. And with the first coup, everything changed. The rhetoric has changed, the values ​​have changed, many and many are very clumsy, tasteless and without much imagination repainted from red hair into multi-colored rags. And it was from that moment that Russia was asked to take off its pants, bend down and wait for the order ... It was then that rivers of disinformation, "truthful investigations" poured down, which poured into the masses and began to eat away at the consciousness into molecules, without giving anything in return, or rather by imposing wrong values ​​and concepts. The result ... in 20 years (tentatively) is a society with decayed consciousness. Without a goal, without an idea, with the concepts of a criminal environment, everything revolves only around the topic of gratifying one's own ego. A little more and it would be impossible to stop something. Today the GDP is trying, it can be seen. But some problems cannot be eliminated in a short time in principle (this is me about failures in education, science, etc.). Let's see if at least some kind of enlightenment can come, if only we do not get back into a certain position without pants ...
          1. denis02135
            denis02135 13 February 2016 14: 33
            +5
            Dear ostrom

            Do not you think that the Pandora’s box was opened in 1952 when the Museum of the Defense of Leningrad was closed.
            1. ostrom
              ostrom 13 February 2016 19: 48
              0
              This is still a special case, and, again, we are talking about the fact that time erases the truth, in the case of a museum, after all, after many years, with losses, but the museum was restored, i.e. the act of Malenkov and Company was partially neutralized.
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 13 February 2016 11: 42
      -5
      Because very often this is done not just for money, but for beliefs and ignorance. Neither this nor the other can be punished. Moreover, if you take and write an article about the besieged Leningrad on the basis of articles in the newspaper Pravda, until the summer of 42, then ... in general there will be a beautiful picture. People went to the cinema, to theaters, produced pots and suitcases ... They beat the Germans!
  7. kvs207
    kvs207 13 February 2016 08: 53
    +7
    Quote: Koshak
    A strange article, like mixing truth and speculation.

    I agree, the impression is more than strange.
    Card products, by the way, were not given out for free. They were bought at a state price.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 13 February 2016 14: 29
      0
      There was also a black market, more diverse.
      Many collections of paintings and gems found their beginning there.
  8. Senior manager
    Senior manager 13 February 2016 08: 57
    +5
    The heroic defense of Leningrad still requires real historians, our well-wishers will have less reason to shout - Propaganda! Well, to preserve history in the minds of people. Better bitter truth than fooling and profaning history. The words were well remembered: The history of the Russian state is unpredictable.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 13 February 2016 10: 54
      +1
      our well-wishers will have less reason to shout - Propaganda! ,,
      Yes, come on, if they say black on white, then it will be until they start to beat in their pocket. He said without bringing documents, based on freedom of speech, twist his pockets. Next time he thinks twenty-five times.
  9. Stas57
    Stas57 13 February 2016 09: 05
    15
    is that generally !!!!!!!!!!! ???????


    The second is not true - this is a statement that Leningrad was in a blockade. In the dictionary of S.I. Ozhegov, the word blockade is interpreted as follows: "... the isolation of a hostile state, a city with the aim of stopping its relations with the outside world." Relationship with the outside world of Leningrad did not stop for a single day. Cargo was delivered to Leningrad around the clock, day and night by a continuous stream by rail and then by road or river transport (depending on the time of the year) along the 25 km via Ladoga Lake.

    awesome, there was no blockade?
    well and class, here the other day with foam at the mouth on the radio something similar was proved by m-ak Chubais the younger.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF0WVitFzOw&feature=youtu.be

    here is the debunking of this myth
    http://sirjones.livejournal.com/1188167.html



    The conclusion from the conducted study is one: media statements about the death in Leningrad during the blockade from starvation, as one million city residents, and 600 thousand people do not correspond to reality, are untrue.
    The 1991 Encyclopaedic Dictionary of the Year indicates that about 470 thousands of victims of the blockade and participants of the defense were buried in the Piskaryovsky cemetery.
    Not only those who died of starvation, but also the soldiers of the Leningrad front who died during the blockade from wounds in the hospitals of Leningrad, city residents who died from shelling and bombardment, city residents who died natural deaths, and, possibly, died in the Piskaryov cemetery battles military personnel of the Leningrad Front.
    And how is it possible for our 1 TV channel to tell the whole country about the almost million people who died of starvation in Leningrad ?!

    yes, there are indirect losses when people who were already taken to the mainland died
    see Tanya Savicheva, who died in the evacuation
    Progressing dystrophy, scurvy, nervous shock and bone tuberculosis, which Tanya was ill in early childhood, completely undermined her health and on July 1 1944 at the age of 14 and a half years and a half Tanya Savicheva died of intestinal tuberculosis (according to another version, it was encephalitis). She became the only deceased of all the children of the Orphanage No. 48 who arrived at that time. Before her death, she often suffered headaches, and in the last days she was blinded.

    On the same day, Tanya, as rootless, was buried by a hospital groom and Zhurkina from the same year began to take care of Tanya’s grave.



    In the documentary footage, in particular, from the film “Unknown War”, the Leningraders leaving for the front, working in factories and cleaning the streets of the city in the spring of 1942, do not look haggard, like, for example, prisoners of German concentration camps.

    Well, yes, donuts ate foie gras.



    , but it’s not Shtrafbat or Bastards, not Panfilov’s, this ideological sabotage is a blow right under the root.

    We survived, I look forward to articles by Latyninina and Svanidze on the topvar.
    since it’s brought to us
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 13 February 2016 10: 27
      15
      but forgot
      The third is not true - this is not true about the number of people who died of hunger from Leningrad.

      The population of Leningrad before the war, in 1939, was 3,1 million. and it worked around 1000 industrial enterprises. By 1941, the population of the city could tentatively be 3,2 million.

      In total, up to February of 1943, 1,7 million people were evacuated. 1,5 million people remain in the city.
      Residents of the city of Leningrad were constantly called into the army, replenishing the ranks of the fighters and commanders of the Leningrad front, dying from the shelling of Leningrad with long-range guns and bombs dropped by the nazis from airplanes, dying of natural death, as they die at all times. The number of residents who died for these reasons, in my opinion, is at least 600 thousand people.

      The V.O. encyclopedia of the war indicated that in 1943, in Leningrad, no more than 800 thousand inhabitants remained. The number of deceased residents of Leningrad from hunger, cold, and everyday insecurity could not exceed the difference between one million and nine hundred thousand people, that is, 100 thousand people.
      About a hundred thousand people who died of starvation in Leningrad are a colossal number of victims, but this is not enough for the enemies of Russia to declare Joseph Stalin, Soviet power, to be guilty of the death of millions of people, and also to declare that Leningrad was necessary in 1941 year surrender to the enemy.

      There is only one conclusion from the study: media statements about the death in Leningrad during the siege from hunger, as one million residents of the city, and 600 thousand people do not correspond to reality, are untrue


      what a trifle, the author has forgotten a little, very little - that a large number of evacuees have accumulated in Leningrad from the neighboring Pskov and Novgorod regions, from the Leningrad region itself and from the Baltic states.
      Well, and the very last ones, those who died in the nearby suburbs or were buried not on Piskarevsky are already kind of like people? don't count

      bestial article, in a word.
  10. surrozh
    surrozh 13 February 2016 09: 13
    0
    About a year he lived in the apartment of the blockade, an opinion about the blockade developed. But the article is worth reading, the topic is interesting, I would love to read a series of different articles about the blockade of Leningrad. Preferably with documentary evidence.
    1. super.ufu
      super.ufu 13 February 2016 10: 45
      +8
      But the article is worth reading

      It deserves to be burned; the above is correctly written, false liberal myths are embedded in the inside of the patriotic beginning and end.
  11. blizart
    blizart 13 February 2016 09: 16
    16
    We are told a lie about the blockade of Leningrad
    The truth is that the scientists of the Agricultural Research Institute did not eat a single gram of elite seeds, no matter how hard and terribly they did not starve. It is true that the animals of the Leningrad Zoo were preserved. The fact that the heirs of Goethe, Schiller and Beethoven shot during the siege in the squares is also historical truth, as well as the fact that the French surrendered Paris for 200 km before reaching the Germans, with motivation for its historical cultural value
    1. igordok
      igordok 13 February 2016 13: 20
      19
      The author you want to say that we were not told about this. The fact that PEOPLE did not scotch but remained people even in the conditions of the BLOCKADE speaks of their HEREDITY, and not of the ease of the blockade.
      People went to the theaters of the besieged Leningrad.
      Bakers baked bread.
      On the photo is Kutinen Daniil Ivanovich, 1883 year of birth, resident of Leningrad. He was a baker by profession; during the years of the siege, siege bread was baked. He died from the exhaustion of February 3 1942 years at the age of 59 years directly at work.
      He died, but did not eat a single gram of baked bread. He was buried at the Shuvalovsky cemetery. Included in the book of memory of the siege of Leningrad.



      Newspapers were published in besieged Leningrad.

      Snow was removed.

      They painted pictures.

      Celebrated the New Year.

      Worked
      1. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 16 February 2016 05: 46
        0
        So the author wrote about that, that the people in these photos are not like the exhausted prisoners of concentration camps ...
    2. _my opinion
      _my opinion 13 February 2016 20: 57
      +8
      Quote: blizart
      We are told a lie about the blockade of Leningrad
      The truth is that the scientists of the Agricultural Research Institute did not eat a single gram of elite seeds, no matter how hard and terribly they did not starve. It is true that the animals of the Leningrad Zoo were preserved. The fact that the heirs of Goethe, Schiller and Beethoven shot during the siege in the squares is also historical truth, as well as the fact that the French surrendered Paris for 200 km before reaching the Germans, with motivation for its historical cultural value

      ... Yes, they didn’t eat, although they were starving, like the others ... imagine what it is like to starve, work with seeds and not eat them ... they knew that the time would come and the seeds would be needed in the post-war period. ..
      anyone who wants can read more about this:
      http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/55553.html
      "Feat of 13 Leningraders. To the 125th anniversary of Nikolai Vavilov"
      "A lot is known about the 13 employees of the All-Union Institute of Plant Growing, who remained in Leningrad during the blockade and saved the Vavilov collection from destruction - tens of tons of grain and tons of potatoes. Each publication contains gratitude and admiration. Is there any other way? them!

      And still not enough.
      It’s not enough to remember these people. We must also understand how they were able to die of hunger in the midst of food. What strength was needed! What did you think, feel, say? Understand their condition. In 1976, when some of them were still alive, I met with them and talked.

      During the blockade, the keeper of rice Dmitry Sergeevich Ivanov died of hunger. There are thousands of bags of grain left in his study ... "
      I gave only the very beginning of the article
  12. Roy
    Roy 13 February 2016 09: 34
    +1
    While ideology will be behind the truth of history, there will be no reliable and objective information.
  13. Maegrom
    Maegrom 13 February 2016 09: 52
    +9
    Three familial aunts died of starvation in a blockade, all the children of my grandmother at that time, despite the fact that my great-grandmother ran a network of dining rooms.
    The blockade of Leningrad is one of the worst episodes in the history of our country. And to belittle the feat of the blockade is immoral at a glance. Each achievement of the blockade is the greatest victory of the spirit.
  14. fa2998
    fa2998 13 February 2016 09: 53
    10
    The true number of victims of hunger ANYONE will not be able to count. At that time in our country, a person's life is nothing, BABIES STILL INCREASE! Remember how the total losses in the Second World War were considered. 5 million, 8 million, 10 million, 20 million, 26 million . "Correction" -not for thousands, millions of human destinies! And not on the basis of serious research, but simply demanded by the political situation! Modern historians have the same numbers, where he gets his salary, from there and the installation!
    The Leningrad Front, the BF and the inhabitants of the besieged Leningrad performed a great feat, survived and fought! But to say that the Leningraders were "IN THE BEST CONDITIONS" is sheer nonsense, to plant this author on 125-200 grams of bread (it is not known what it was made of). And to bomb and fire from guns, let it last at least a month. MINUS! fool hi
  15. Ozhogin Dmitry
    Ozhogin Dmitry 13 February 2016 09: 54
    +8
    You can relate differently to the reliability of the content of this article, but ... Look what they say lately about our history: Prince Vladimir turns out to be a rapist and a murderer, Alexander Nevsky is a traitor, Ivan the Terrible is a mad tyrant who cut out almost half Moscow state. What they say about Stalin and Nicholas II, I think there is no need to tell. We did not need baptism, the annexation of Kazan and Siberia was not necessary, and in general we provoked Napoleon to attack Russia. It is time to teach the true history of Russia, and not the lies pleasing to our sworn "partners".
  16. PBF
    PBF 13 February 2016 10: 02
    10
    As a child, traveled to Leningrad. Especially my parents and brother were taken to the Piskaryovskoye cemetery. I remembered all this for life.
    Then, many years later, I read notes from search engines about the Sinyavinsky heights, where it is not possible to work as a mine detector, where I dug a shovel and a bucket of fragments twice.
    Whatever they say, whatever they show, for me Leningrad is always and will be a hero city.
  17. bykoffroman
    bykoffroman 13 February 2016 10: 05
    14
    What a nasty sediment from the article remained. I heard the truth about the blockade from my grandfather (God rest with him). A year and a half left. Man suffered all the horrors of hunger and cold. In 1944, the young man left on a small sea hunter to fight. The war ended on June 22, 1945 on the island of Bornholm (Denmark). It was hard to draw stories about the blockade from him. Everyone happened in our city at that time. But the value of his stories is simply gigantic. For he is the source. And they buried in a blockade not only on Piskaryovka. The author of this article did not bother to count those buried in Smolensky, Volkovsky, Bolsheokhtinsky cremated in the furnaces of a brick factory on the site of the Victory Park. In general, the article is not a plus.
  18. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 13 February 2016 10: 06
    +5
    I agree with Vyacheslav Olegovich, a lot of the author suggests and thinks that it would not be bad for him to affirm his theories on a solid foundation of archival documents, citing them as proofs.
  19. igordok
    igordok 13 February 2016 10: 12
    +3
    The population of Leningrad before the war, in the 1939 year, amounted to 3,1 million people.

    but the inhabitants of the cities occupied by the Germans, for example, Pskov and Novgorod, who had no relatives in the villages, were really starving to death.

    The fact of the matter is that very many residents of Pskov, Novgorod and other settlements were evacuated to Leningrad and took all the hardships of the blockade. And there were not a few of them.
    The presence of "relatives in the villages" did not guarantee the delivery of food to Pskov. But there was no widespread famine in Pskov during the occupation. Residents of the occupied Pskov region managed to collect and transport a caravan with food to Leningrad.
    At the expense of the concept of blockade. Why does the author consider Ladoga to be a means of supply, and not a natural obstacle to supply. If there was land on the site of Ladoga, it was easier to supply Leningrad. True, it would be easier for the Germans to surround Leningrad.
    1. igordok
      igordok 13 February 2016 10: 16
      +3
      Thought.
      Since the Pskov partisans were able to transport bread to Leningrad, according to the author, there was no occupation of the Pskov region. fool
    2. igordok
      igordok 13 February 2016 10: 40
      +7
      Again about the blockade term.
      The author cites the example of the defense of Stalingrad. There really was no blockade; there was environment 62 army units. Volga was an obstacle in supplying the 62 army, not by supply. Again, supplying by land is easier than across the river.
      1. sibiryouk
        sibiryouk 13 February 2016 13: 07
        +7
        Stalingrad was not in blockade because it was completely destroyed, burned and captured by the Germans — in the hands of the Red Army there was a narrow strip along the Volga coast and two or three islands off the coast!
      2. Chtononibrator
        Chtononibrator 13 February 2016 13: 15
        -4
        Quote: igordok
        Again, supplying by land is easier than across the river.

        Oh well ... and how much will fit in the barge, but how much will be in the truck?
        1. igordok
          igordok 13 February 2016 13: 30
          -1
          Quote: Chtononibrator
          Oh well ... and how much will fit in the barge, but how much will be in the truck?

          Why build bridges?
  20. super.ufu
    super.ufu 13 February 2016 10: 51
    13
    What a false muck wrapped in a decent cover!
    Everything seems to be patriotic, but with this sauce the author pushes the idea that there were no blockades, and there were few victims, not 600 thousand.
    What will be next?
    The Germans wanted to feed the Bavarian sausages to Leningraders and arrange Oktoberfest, but the damned Bolsheviks did not give and starved people?
    They say the truth, bestiality! Like a cup of shit poured by the author.
    minus!
  21. Aleksander
    Aleksander 13 February 2016 11: 16
    12
    By 1941, the population of the city could approximately amount to 3,2 million people.
    In total, up to February of 1943, 1,7 million people were evacuated. 1,5 million people remain in the city.


    А 400 000 REFUGEES from the Baltics and Russian regions, "locked" in Leningrad, they do not fit into the "convenient" account, yes, and they "can" not be remembered. And they were, and it was their position that was truly terrifying and terrible - homeless and useless.
    It was planned to remove 1,7 million people before the blockade, only 630 thousand managed to take out, and 1 million were taken out already during the blockade.
    The article is a fatty minus.
  22. Tulip
    Tulip 13 February 2016 11: 25
    11
    I have a desire: to starve this scribbler a month with a loaf of 125 grams per day, then adding 100 gram to apote - to detect for what period he will restore his body. Really interesting experiment?
    1. sibiryouk
      sibiryouk 13 February 2016 13: 09
      +5
      Irreversible changes take place in the body and a person later still can die from dystrophy!
  23. realist
    realist 13 February 2016 11: 29
    +8
    the losses in Leningrad were monstrous, it’s pointless to try to give exact numbers, the real number of deaths can only be limited by frames (from 470 buried in the Piskarevsky cemetery to 000), because people died and were buried in mass graves, and some of the soldiers remained lying on battlefields. the Germans tried to establish a blockade, but could not, a certain amount of cargo could deliver to the besieged city in different ways. it’s not the number of victims but the feat of people who survived in those conditions.
  24. Old26
    Old26 13 February 2016 11: 34
    +4
    Long thought to put the article: A PLUS or MINUS. I do not agree with many of the data presented in the pack, but the article is interesting in that it at least deserves to be read, if only because the questions that were previously closed are raised.
    Now it has become fashionable to revise certain events of the war. In some ways this may be justified, but in the majority it is pure conjuncture. And sometimes what they would know (know) about the war has, among other things, an ideological background.
    The author says that 600 thousand is not enough. And I remember the figure of 600 thousand, was deposited in my memory. And not after a history textbook - but at Piskarevsky cemetery. Due to circumstances, I lived for three or four months in the apartment of two sisters-blockers, who had been traveling without a break in Leningrad from EMNIP from 1907 to 1976 (alas, I am not aware of the further fate). And my own opinion about the blockade has developed, and based on the recollections of people who survived the blockade. And they did not have to embellish, because they spoke for a specific person (for me), and not for publication in magazines, newspapers and books.
    Well, to manipulate the terminology, was there a blockade or not - this is beyond my understanding.
  25. Predator
    Predator 13 February 2016 11: 54
    10
    Quote: sly fox
    To find out the truth about the blockade, mathematical calculations alone are not enough. Better read the memoirs of Academician D.S. Likhachev.

    And here, mathematics is very bad. Just for example, the population of Leningrad by the author is 3.1 million people, and how many refugees arrived from the Baltic states, northwestern regions, the Leningrad region, how many troops of the Red Army and Navy retreated and everything to Leningrad is what we we don’t take it into account! And you won’t find any documents in the archives, since it wasn’t before, that’s why many weren’t taken into account. But let’s try: the Leningrad Front is about 420 thousand, the Baltic Fleet is about 150 thousand, according to the archive of the All-Union Communist Party of Leningrad Region 2.5 million refugees man. Total 3.1 + 0.42 + 0.15 +2.5 total 7.6 million people! And you need to feed everyone - the army is bigger, the population is possible. Malnutrition, cold, here is tuberculosis, pneumonia, etc.a without proper medical help death. How did you dare to hint at this tragedy ?!
    Author-complete liberal litter! (To put it mildly!)
  26. Nik_One
    Nik_One 13 February 2016 11: 59
    11
    Article ... I do not want to swear. What does the author want to convey that the blockade was not a blockade at all? That everything was not so bad?

    The blockade of Leningrad is a war crime of the German army. No matter how diminishing the feat of the defenders of Stalingrad, but the situation was different there, there was a military operation to seize the city, and in Leningrad there was a deliberate attempt to destroy the civilian population.

    Really got the belts on the bones. That some bad people gasp and groan that the victims are in vain and had to give up. And others are trying to prove that everything was not so bad ... Leave behind the dead already, have respect for the dead ..
  27. pofigisst74
    pofigisst74 13 February 2016 12: 00
    +4
    And who is this Maslovsky? Where did he get these "facts" from? Is he a historian? "Vicki" does not know this, only writes that it is a Polish surname. request
    1. cap
      cap 13 February 2016 13: 14
      +3
      Quote: pofigisst74
      And who is this Maslovsky? Where did he get these "facts" from? Is he a historian? "Vicki" does not know this, only writes that it is a Polish surname. request


      Perhaps he is not Maslovsky at all, just with such a pseudo-version he can easily penetrate consciousness, or other impassable places.
  28. unknown
    unknown 13 February 2016 12: 03
    +3
    Even 100 thousand is a lot.
    Suffice it to recall that the United States lost 400 thousand, shaving about the same. But everyone else.
    It is rightly said: "The pans are fighting, but ... the forelocks are cracking." The civil strife for the collapse of the British Empire cost humanity tens of millions of lives.
    1. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 13 February 2016 15: 43
      +5
      Only during the defense of the bridgehead in the Nevsky Dubrovka area, from 1941 to April 1942 the irreversible losses of the Red Army amounted to 50000 people. It is on a strip of land from 1km to 400 m along the front and 100-400 in depth. Then he was taken by storm again, but this is another event. There were other figures, up to 200 thousand people. But in the space plowed by shells — the most convenient shelter — were the bodies of the dead, I heard from a person who stayed there for three days (this is a lot) and was evacuated by injury.
  29. cap
    cap 13 February 2016 13: 06
    +6
    "Only haters of Russia can regret that Leningrad was not surrendered to the enemy."
    Someone doesn’t like it. Let them endure.
    If necessary, a new generation will repeat the feat of fathers and grandfathers. They tried to bring Russia to their knees for centuries. Trying now, nothing new.
  30. Point
    Point 13 February 2016 13: 43
    +5
    Yeah, it turns out the residents of the city skated like cheese in butter. The author will tell the way to my grandmother who survived the blockade. Every year on January 27th and May 9th the granny cries remembering the blockade. Yes, there were those who profited from the blockade mountain, speculators and traitors who fired flares for satisfying rations, indicating targets for bombing, and then exchanged food for jewelry, etc. .. The author also had relatives who survived the blockade, maybe they are good ate, and family jewels acquired ...
  31. Pontelimon 5230
    Pontelimon 5230 13 February 2016 13: 43
    +2
    Article minus. I propose a full-scale experiment, the author put in a closed environment for 900 days and feed him according to the norms of the besieged Leningrad. And then again ask his opinion, if he survives of course.
  32. Vadim42
    Vadim42 13 February 2016 14: 04
    +5
    Article crap! It is interesting that after 70 years they will say about the war in Syria, that ISIS was handed out by ISIL in the besieged by Assad Aleppo Nestle. The author did not go hungry for more than 15 minutes in his life.
  33. lubesky
    lubesky 13 February 2016 14: 49
    +4
    Well what can I say ... only bitterness and regret from such an article ... ashamed of the author. The essence of the article boils down to the alleged "myths" about the blockade. Estimation of the losses of such "schettovers", as a rule, does not include references to archives and sources, since it’s sucked from the thumb.
  34. Faust
    Faust 13 February 2016 15: 02
    +5
    The article is crappy!
    Among the blockade, there really were opinions about the meaninglessness of the defense of Leningrad, especially among illegally repressed. If you write about the war, then people need to be even kinder. Archives and memoirs quite often do not join, but this is not a reason to mock people.
    1. Redman
      Redman 13 February 2016 17: 52
      +1
      ... especially among illegally repressed ... ??? Not shot yet? Yes, these are the same bastards who are now ready to sell Russia to the Americans! But not yet a war. I wonder what happens to the liberals during the WAR ???
  35. zav
    zav 13 February 2016 15: 41
    +4
    In general, it is not clear what is at stake. Does anyone imagine what it means to surrender Leningrad? That is, how to do it technically? Let me remind you: in September 41 Germans went to the southern shore of Ladoga, blocking the city from land. Hastily organized counterattacks in order to restore the city’s connection with the mainland did not lead to success. By the way, after about a year in August 42, the Germans would cut off Stalingrad from the north with the same dagger strike of tanks and also beat off all the counterattacks of the Red Army. So, September 41st. There is still neither hunger nor cold, but there was a hope to unblock the city. Following the logic of some converters of history, even then it was necessary to guess about everything that could happen to Leningrad and surrender it. That is, to stop the resistance and march in orderly columns. Or does someone think that it was possible to come to an agreement with Hitler so that he would withdraw troops from Ladoga and enable divisions, naval crews and the population to leave the city along the courtesy of the corridor, abandoning, of course, everything acquired, as well as equipment and weapons? This is stupidity, multiplied by meanness.
  36. sw6513
    sw6513 13 February 2016 16: 06
    +2
    All the haters of Russia and those who rewrite the history of the country must be sent to the Kolyma dispensary. When all the stinking trash is removed in the taiga, let them saw the forest ..
  37. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 13 February 2016 16: 27
    +8
    The author of the article is a huge bastard, a damned liberalist swung at the most sacred !!! You, bastard of the State Department ... did you see what the bread that you write was made by all Leningraders ?? and what people ate wood glue, quinoa all, cats everyone ate ?? supply on coupons .. what the hell supply !!! and how many people refugees from the Baltic states and the Pskov and other previously occupied regions and the Leningrad region itself were not entitled to cards and died among the first and were buried without account ?? and daily artillery raids, bombings ??? how, you bastard, can you even oppose who was better and who was worse during the war to Russian, Soviet people ???
    Once again, you will touch with your foul hands our great memory, our history !!
  38. vitya1945
    vitya1945 13 February 2016 17: 06
    +2
    A minus article was not stamped, pressed but the figure has not changed.
  39. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 13 February 2016 17: 30
    +2
    Adults !!! it's time to get used to trust the media no more than 3%. Lies, blatant lies give rise to money for which this ancient profession is very greedy. Yes, and modern European politicians do not disdain such a means.
  40. kvs207
    kvs207 13 February 2016 17: 49
    +4
    Quote: Old26
    I remember the figure of 600 thousand, was deposited in my memory. And not after a history textbook - but at Piskarevsky cemetery

    Every year, on Victory Day, we go with my family to the Piskaryov Memorial.
  41. nnz226
    nnz226 13 February 2016 18: 49
    +7
    Tanya Savicheva's diary speaks of the mass deaths of Leningraders from hunger. The Piskarevskoye cemetery is usually shown only along the central alley to the monument (as in the photo), but the fact that mass graves, especially to the right of the entrance, almost go to the horizon - how is that ?! The heroism of the Leningraders cannot be belittled, but one should not underestimate the losses either. In my family, the 2nd branch (the family of my grandfather's brother) is practically all buried somewhere (except for Piskarevka, there were also Yuzhnoye and Krasnenkoye cemeteries, and they could have buried on others) And the size of the mass graves on Piskaryovka suggests that under each the hill is not 3 people lie. My own aunt fully survived the blockade, was awarded the medal "For the Defense of Leningrad", she said that shelling and bombing did not cause as much damage to the inhabitants as hunger. She spoke about the terrible pictures of famine in the winter of 1941-42. (cannibalism, etc.). No fanfare and small losses! Comrade Stalin, very respected by me, was wrong when he told someone from the Westerners about the human losses of the USSR in the war, 8-9 million, so many were lost only at the front ...
    1. Pomeranian
      Pomeranian 13 February 2016 19: 30
      -1
      Quote: nnz226
      Comrade Stalin, whom I very much respected, was wrong when he told someone from the Westerners about the loss of the USSR in the war in the number of 8-9 millions, they lost so much at the front ...

      Comrade Stalin had in mind military personnel.
  42. Pomeranian
    Pomeranian 13 February 2016 19: 29
    +3
    This article gave me a double feeling. I still don't understand what the author wanted to achieve by exposing Channel One? To assure that there was no blockade? So it was. To consider air traffic and seasonal movement on the lake as the absence of a blockade - sorry, nonsense. There are no questions about the number of people buried at the Piskarevskoye cemetery, but the author is sure that ALL citizens of the USSR are buried there, dead, dead, those who were in 1941-43 in the unoccupied part of the Leningrad region? Comparison with Stalingrad looks generally delusional: the southern outskirts of the city were never taken by the Germans. Why was it necessary to spend time writing this opus? I don’t know. In a word, the article, as the previous speaker put it, is "a huge minus."
  43. Cartalon
    Cartalon 13 February 2016 19: 34
    +7
    As a Petersburger, I can tell the author only one thing, please be silent.
  44. 0895055116
    0895055116 13 February 2016 20: 51
    +6
    Article I CATEGORALLY DON'T LIKE! The AUTHOR does not say anything, names INCORRECT loss figures and so on. I will not refer to HISTORICAL and MILITARY-HISTORICAL research - I refer to the book "LENINGRAD" Guidebook published by Lenizdat 1987. p.58 "The enemy dropped 107 high-explosive and incendiary bombs on Leningrad, 158 shells. 148 were killed, 478 were wounded, 16 people died of hunger, 747 thousand civilians were left homeless" (PEACEFUL - highlighted by me) ... Page 33 mentions the number of those buried at the Piskarevskoye cemetery - 782 thousand people. From myself, I can add - my mother studied at the Leningrad Military-Mechanical Institute in 641-803, among her friends there were several blockade women who spent the entire blockade in Leningrad. For me, from the beginning as a boy, then as a young man, THEIR MEANINGFUL MEMORIES about BLOCKADE IS SOMETHING!
  45. philosopher
    philosopher 13 February 2016 21: 34
    +6
    I wanted to write: "Well, here we are ...", and then I thought and I want to say:
    Do not be surprised, people, this is no longer the beginning, but a continuation of the ideological war with Russia and its people. Remember that the liberals at first Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya was not correct, then Alexander Matrosov is not real, and Nikolai Gastello is somehow inconsistent with their theory. Further, 28 Panfilovites on all sites "debunked", and this dead trend went from the memory of Heroes, and they shove this poison into the heads of generations who did not learn the history of their Motherland, and there are followers. We have already reached the hero-city of Leningrad. By the way, what *** proposed, organized and renamed the city. (I don’t put the attitude to Lenin into actuality, but Leningrad is our history.) That we will rewrite and rename it every time? So it will be possible to reach the level of Ukraine, but is it necessary to go down to such a state?
  46. alecask
    alecask 13 February 2016 22: 33
    +6
    The author’s findings are controversial, especially in terms of calculations. The author concludes that if the pre-war population was 3,2 million people and 1,7 million people were evacuated, then 3,2 - 1,7 = 1,5 million people remained in the city.
    This figure does not include refugees from the Baltic states, Pskov and Novgorod regions.

    Many historians point out that by the end of August 1941 the population of Leningrad had almost doubled compared to the pre-war level, and that is why it would be more correct to add another 1,5-2,5 million people to the 3 million "calculated" by the author. That is why in the "official" history the figure appears: "about 4 million people."

    All other "mathematical" calculations of the author are guilty of the same exaggeration.

    The evacuation continued from June 1942 to January 1943, and if its pace did not decrease ...
    Unless you consider that from mid-October to the end of November, navigation on Ladoga is simply impossible due to autumn storms and the so-called "crush of waves" and freeze-up.

    Where did the author count 500 days of the blockade, and not 900? He proceeded from the fact that the complete blockade is the complete cessation of physical communication with the country. Then, based on the author’s logic, the blockade should be considered equal to 1,5 months. That is, only the time until:

    1. Shlisselburg was busy;
    И
    2. Navigation in Ladoga was impossible.

    Little is written about the railway line that was laid right along the swampy shores of Lake Ladoga to supply Leningrad with food. But its construction and operation is another "blank spot" in our modern history. Suffice it to say that the German troops were only FIVE KILOMETERS from this route and it was ALL in sight and under fire both day and night, so movement along it was possible ONLY IN DARK TIME OF DAY and ONLY ONLY ONE SIDE. It was impossible to launch heavy trains on such a railway: they would simply drown in a swamp, destroying the canvas. How and how much food can be transported in such conditions, any sane person understands himself and is unlikely to erase the remaining 400 days of the blockade only on the grounds that "there was a railway."
  47. SlavaP
    SlavaP 13 February 2016 23: 32
    +2
    Dear Colleagues, the tragedy of Leningrad will not decrease or increase from the fact that we will argue about DIFFERENT figures, and this is our common tragedy that we really do not know the EXACT figures. And the interpretation of numbers certainly depends on the level of humanity of each of us. Leningrad has always been my second home and when I was there, I always felt its difference from the rest of the world. And yet - in my family two people perished there: one simply left the house and did not return, and the other died in the militia.
  48. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 14 February 2016 04: 51
    0
    Consider the figure indicated by the author "In total, 1943 million people were evacuated before February 1,7.».
    “The evacuation continued not only in 1941, until the German armies arrived, but also in 1942. K. A. Meretskov wrote that even before the spring thaw on Lake Ladoga they brought to Leningrad ... and about half a million people were taken out of there, ”
    “The evacuation continued from June 1942 to January 1943, and if its pace did not decrease, then it can be assumed that at least 500 thousand people were evacuated for more than six months”
    Add these two numbers:
    0,5 million + 0,5 million = 1 million
    Where did the figure in 1,7 million total evacuated people?
    Considering that the figures are accompanied by explanations “about” and “if, then no less”, even fewer people actually evacuated.
    I believe the author manipulates the data and includes people who died of starvation in the category of "evacuated".
  49. Captain45
    Captain45 14 February 2016 13: 08
    0
    Reading the comments, I met questions - who is Maslovsky, where do the numbers come from? I read this article in the original on the website of the newspaper "Zavtra", the link to which is given at the end of the article. There is also a large number of comments, there are many links and documents. I recommend to disputants read this article on the site "Zavtra" and familiarize yourself with the comments there. After all, the truth, as you know, is born in a dispute, I also recommend that you read the article by D. Baida "The Mysteries of the Siege of Leningrad" posted here: http: //www.1-sovetnik .com /. The article is also controversial, but the issues raised are interesting, if you do not immediately stick labels on opponents.
  50. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 14 February 2016 20: 12
    +1
    THE TRUTH IS ONE !!!!!!! Leningrad survived, survived and beat the fascist reptile at the price of hundreds of thousands of human lives!