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Turkey risks losing all its combat aviation

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Turkey risks losing all its combat aviation



The tension in the air spheres over the border regions of Syria and Turkey is becoming increasingly acute. Moscow was again accused of having its Su-34 military plane allegedly violated Turkish airspace from Syria, where it is located at the Khmeimim airport aviation a group of Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS). The Turkish Foreign Ministry said last Saturday: a fighter-bomber belonging to Russia, treacherously invaded the sovereign Ottoman sky on January 29 and soared for about 20-25 seconds over the province of Gaziantep. The Pentagon, like Ankara, hastened to confirm this statement in an allied outburst, without confirming it with any objective control data.

The Russian defense ministry immediately rejected the Turkish accusations. “There were no violations of the Turkish airspace by the aircraft of the Russian air group in the Syrian Arab Republic. Statements by the Turkish side about the alleged violation of the airspace by the Russian Su-34 aircraft are unfounded propaganda, ”said Major General Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry on Saturday. And last Monday he also presented confirmation of the fact that Russian planes in Syria did not violate the airspace of Turkey.

“We have analyzed the data of objective flight control in the north of Syria in the most attentive manner over the past 24 hours. And, I note, - not only our aviation. There were no violations of the Syrian-Turkish border by the aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces, there are comprehensive data, note that there is no objective control. And this is a fact, ”Konashenkov told reporters.

And the head of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Federation Council, Konstantin Kosachev, commented on the acute situation that arose: “In fact, the alliance between Russia, the United States and Turkey should consist in a common fight against terrorism. And within the framework of such an alliance, Turkey could well allow, if necessary, short-term entry into its airspace of the states fighting the terrorism. Then there would be no subject for concern, by definition. But the opposite is happening. Turkey, on the contrary, is looking for any reasons to find fault with the course of the antiterrorist operation in which Russia participates, and in no way helps this operation. Which once again confirms the double game that Ankara is playing in the Syrian situation. ” In short, the Turkish authorities are very annoyed by the effective actions of Russian aviation, which greatly complicates the distillation of oil extracted on Syrian territory, which is banned in the Russian Federation by the Islamic State (IG) in Turkish ports.

Meanwhile, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday that "Russia will face consequences if it continues to violate Turkish airspace." Ankara declared an “orange” threat level at its airbases, that is, it brought its Air Force into full combat readiness, allowing the pilots to open fire at any aircraft at its own discretion, without coordination with the command. What does this mean? The unequivocal warning of the readiness of Turkish aviation to conduct air battles and shoot down all the aircraft that seem to its pilots suspicious, carrying a threat to Turkey. For Moscow, this is the worst this year. news. With this attitude Erdogan can not exclude the worst scenarios. That is, Russia's participation in a military conflict in Syria could escalate into direct clashes with Turkey. And that means with other NATO countries.

THE ESSENTIAL PROBLEM OF Kurds


Some Russian politicians were quick to conclude that the “imaginary” conflict associated with the Su-34 aircraft, the Turkish leadership intends to use as an excuse to finally “meet the Russian and Turkish leaders.” We think this is only partly true. An analysis of the situation in Syria suggests that Turkey’s direct threats against Russia and its support from the United States and NATO in general are linked to the successes of President Bashar Assad’s army and the Kurdish militia in the fight against IG militants. The increased activity of the Syrian army does not allow the coalition countries led by Washington to begin their “liberation campaign” in Eastern Syria. And the concentration and successes of the Kurdish militia in the north along the Turkish border create the risk that Ankara will soon lose the opportunity to feed militant troops fighting in Syria, since very soon, in such a situation, Kurdish enclaves may be connected with their secret capitals in Afrin and Hasek.

In the meantime, this is hampered by the presence of large "enemy" fortifications on the northern Syrian border. They were built by militants of the IG, other terrorist groups, as well as regular government forces in Turkey. This was announced by Charge d'Affaires of the Syrian Arab Republic to the UN Munzer Munzer in a letter addressed to the Secretary-General of the organization Ban Ki-moon. The Syrian diplomat draws attention to the fact that Turkey does not allow the Kurds to move to the west bank of the Euphrates. Munzer also wrote that in December 2015, the mechanized units of the Turkish army penetrated into Syria, “following in the direction of the village of Dayr-Gousn (Javadiya district), the village of Bustan (Maliki region), areas of Abu-Rasin district (Ras-el -Ain) and the territories north of the villages of Aman and Sheikh-Mansur (Dirbasiyah district) ”.

The long-term goals of the Turkish troops on the territory of Syria are shown by Munser’s data that they are building fortifications there. “In particular,” the representative of Damascus said, “in the area of ​​the city of Harim in the north of the province of Idlib, the Turkish military“ dug trenches with a width of 4 and depth of 8 in m. ” And in the city of Ras al-Ain and its environs (Al-Haseke province) "walls were erected up to 6 m."

However, such messages are unlikely to frighten the leadership of Syria and the Kurdish militia. According to the representative of the command of the people's self-defense detachments, the commanders of the Kurdish detachments have developed plans to connect the territories around the Kurdish-controlled cities of Hasak and Kobani with an enclave in the city of Afrin in northwestern Syria. Between the Kurdish enclaves, the distance is about 100 km. In this zone, militants of the Dzhebkhat al-Nusra group (a banned organization in the Russian Federation) are operating on a small patch, which Turkey secretly supports, as well as the IS, with whom the An-Nusravians are fighting. With the help of Turkomans and loyal jihadists through the corridor on the border with Turkey and then through the city of Azaz, the Mujahideen are supplied. Gradually, the Kurds surround Azaz, which means that they are depriving Turkey of the ability to influence the situation.

THE TURKES CAPTURERS'S PADS


Judging by the data of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Russian aircraft are trying not to bomb objects near the border with Turkey as far as possible. However, in the territories where Turkish government troops “entrenched themselves”, the strikes apparently still are inflicted. And it is precisely this that angers Ankara and its NATO allies most of all. According to Western media, last Friday, Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft bombed militant positions near the Turkish border near the city of Harim (it is literally from the border in 300 m) in the province of Idlib.

Well, here the Russian Defense Ministry presented video evidence of the shelling of the Syrian settlements in the border area with the Turkish frontier. General Konashenkov, speaking last Monday at a briefing about the charges of Ankara about the violation of the Turkish-Syrian border by the Su-34 Russian plane, said: “Those who warn us about some consequences should not think about what they did, what kind of trap are their Turkish partners being drawn into? ”

The general showed a video showing a part of the Syrian-Turkish border. According to him, the object shown “is the Turkish frontier post, which several months ago there were no firing points”. The Russian Defense Ministry recently received video footage from the Syrian general staff, which shows that "the artillery positions of large-caliber self-propelled artillery installations are deployed at this Turkish outpost."

Konashenkov stressed that the military department received video footage from one of the units of the patriotic opposition, where it is also clear that these self-propelled artillery shells carry out shelling of the SAR territory and, in particular, border settlements. “This is called a fact. This is irrefutable evidence that the Turkish armed forces are shelling the border Syrian settlements from large-caliber artillery systems, ”the general emphasized. According to him, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is waiting for the same quick reaction and explanation of these actions of the Turkish armed forces from representatives of NATO and the Pentagon.

POSSIBLE UNWEARING EVENTS TURN

Well, how did the aviation group of the Russian Aerospace Forces take up the openly provocative actions of the Turkish side?

At the beginning of the week, many Russian media spread information about the transfer of four newest Su-35С multi-purpose fighters to the Hmeimim airbase in the Syrian province of Lattakia. They were released only last fall from an aircraft manufacturing company and transferred to the VKS. These aircraft were originally part of the 23 th Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 303 th Guards Mixed Air Division of the 11 Th Army of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Eastern Military District (Dzemgi airfield). And then they were redeployed to Astrakhan (Privolzhsky airfield). And it became known that Su-35С flew from Astrakhan along an already repeatedly proven route: through the airspace over the Caspian Sea, Iran and Iraq to the Khmeimim airbase. As Major General Igor Konashenkov confirmed on Monday, the super-maneuverable Su-35С aircraft began to perform combat missions at Hmeimim airbase. The decision of the Russian military leadership is being implemented to test the latest fighters in combat conditions.

Recall, Su-35С is a deeply modernized super-maneuverable multi-generation fighter "4 ++". By the way, it used technologies that were later used to create the fifth-generation Russian fighter T-50. Therefore, it is argued that the Su-35C has a significant superiority over fighters of a similar class. It is distinguished by a new avionics complex based on a digital information and control system, a new radar with a phased antenna array with a large range of detection of air targets with an increased number of simultaneously followed and fired targets, new engines with increased thrust and swivel thrust vector. Inherent in this plane potential technical and combat capabilities will exceed all tactical fighters generation 4 and 4 + type Rafale and EF 2000, modernized fighters such as F-15, F-16, F-18, F-35 and equally oppose the aircraft F-22A .

The main thing for which the Su-35С is intended is first of all air combat and the conquest of superiority in the sky over the enemy. Now we will think about the essence of the decision of the military leadership to test the newest multi-role fighter in real combat conditions. Moscow took the threats of Ankara seriously and are seriously preparing to respond to them. Together with the C-400 anti-aircraft missile system, located near the Khmeimim airfield, and the Fort air defense system aboard the Varyag cruiser off the Syrian coast in the Mediterranean Sea, this all represents a powerful barrier to attempts by Turkish aircraft to show any aggression against the air base in Latakia and planes taking off from it.

Well, another important event scheduled to hold in the period from 1 to 5 in February. During these days, within the framework of the implementation of the International Treaty on the "open sky", a group of military inspectors from Russia planned to conduct an observation flight on the Russian An-30B aircraft over the territory of Turkey. According to Sergey Ryzhkov, the head of the National Center for the Reduction of Nuclear Danger, this flight, with a maximum range of 1900 km, was to be performed from the “open sky” airfield at Eskisehir. Our plane was supposed to fly according to the route agreed with the observed party, and the Turkish specialists on board were obliged to monitor the procedure for using the surveillance equipment and compliance with the provisions stipulated by the Treaty.

Guess two times which military objects were primarily interested in Russian inspectors in the current situation? And let us recall the cruise missiles “Caliber” capable of from the Caspian Sea, and now also from the Black Sea to achieve targets at ranges over 2 thousand km. It seems that the Turks, barely try to show a clear aggression towards the Russian air group, as the strikes will be inflicted on the aircraft flying from their side, and on those machines that have not yet had time to rise from air bases. In this case, the existence of the entire Turkish aviation is unlikely to last more than an hour. For a similar outcome, everything is prepared. For this there are forces and means. Although in Russia they consider such a turn of events to be extremely undesirable.

And the Turks, it seems, very clearly realized the alignment of forces in the region and the reality of the prospects to lose their combat aircraft overnight. As a result of February 3, the Turkish authorities officially refused to allow Russian military inspectors to fly to the country on the basis of the “Open Skies Treaty”. So they responded to the application of the Russians to view the border with Syria areas from the air. The Turks are seriously scared. We went to an unprecedented violation of the international Treaty, putting at risk the further operation of the “open skies” regime, the observance of control measures to prevent dangerous military preparations.
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  1. veteran66
    veteran66 6 February 2016 21: 42
    144
    On the one hand, I’m glad that Russia is ready, but on the other, God forbid it’s blazing.
    1. Dam
      Dam 6 February 2016 21: 48
      71
      I really hope for it. We have a national tradition of joining big wars unprepared
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 6 February 2016 22: 02
        31
        Quote: Damm
        I really hope for it. We have a national tradition of joining big wars unprepared

        ... not in this case ... it will be a regional conflict, if at all ... the Turks can yell and scream as much as they want, together with the Saudis and Co. four months bring their dreams to dust ... Assad's CAA equals on the surface ... the dream of the Saudis and Turkey about a land corridor is almost dead ... screeching and threats begin ... well, of course they run to NATO for a "roof", but everything is complicated here ... hi
        1. User
          User 6 February 2016 22: 18
          35
          Quote: Inok10
          there will be a regional conflict, if at all

          There is one country with a black president, which has long been looking for a pretext for conflict. For this purpose, Ukraine was turned into a bloody circus. The Baltic and Scandinavian countries are screaming "wolves" almost every day (although they have no sheep).

          If this starts as an international conflict, then necessarily will grow into international with the participation of NATO and in particular the United States.

          The only reason why the "exceptional" can delay the start of hostilities is their own preparation for war: an increase in the military budget, an increase in personnel (mainly due to the militarization of the EU) and, naturally, the transformation of Russia into a global evil (propaganda in the media, rewriting history) - a change in public opinion so that people sincerely wish the Russians death (Ukraine is a rather vivid example).
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 6 February 2016 22: 21
            31
            That's it!
            If the plane is still shot down, it will not be possible to call it "an unfriendly step" and then a "stab in the back"!

            We'll have to cut the answer!

            I hope that in this case, NATA is fed up and disowns the type-psychopath! And then Turkey alone will have to deal with! If not, then the results of such a conflict are unpredictable! They didn't just release the BBC movie beforehand! Preparing the public for the fact that if something happens, they have already warned that these "stupid Russians were planning nuclear strikes, so the tyrant Putin fired a nutcase!" They will also pull-out themselves!
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 6 February 2016 22: 52
              36
              The article is very good! A competent, clear and understandable statement of the essence of the problem.

              Authors +
              1. Russian Alex
                Russian Alex 7 February 2016 02: 21
                -35 qualifying.
                Ours have already wiped the muzzle, after hunching the Turks in our faces, and declared that we remain in the agreement (open sky), we were sadly appointed again, with patience. As they say, it will be like that.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 7 February 2016 04: 43
                  51
                  Quote: Russian Alexey
                  Ours have already wiped a muzzle, after a grub of Turks in our faces with you, and declared that we remain in the contract (open sky)

                  This agreement is now more profitable for us than for our "foreign partners"
                  Quote: Russian Alexey
                  insulting us again appointed, patience

                  Revenge is a dish that is prepared for two: to the plaintiff - like heavenly ragweed, to the defendant - like a bone in the throat.
                  Revenge is not an impulsive decision, but a cold-blooded bearing of the plan and thinking over all the details ... Revenge is a dish that needs to be served cold.
                  1. Deniska999
                    Deniska999 7 February 2016 08: 29
                    -3
                    Quote: svp67
                    Revenge is a dish that is prepared for two: to the plaintiff - like heavenly ragweed, to the defendant - like a bone in the throat.
                    Revenge is not an impulsive decision, but a cold-blooded bearing of the plan and thinking over all the details ... Revenge is a dish that needs to be served cold.

                    Ours will not take revenge. This is almost obvious.
                  2. Volzhanin
                    Volzhanin 7 February 2016 10: 46
                    19
                    Revenge is a foreign concept to Russians. We are not taking revenge on anyone.
                    WE PUNISH! Vile scumbags! For lawlessness and outrage! We restore justice!
                    1. demchuk.ig
                      demchuk.ig 7 February 2016 16: 02
                      +8
                      I think revenge and revenge are two different things!
                  3. Hyppopotut
                    Hyppopotut 7 February 2016 11: 06
                    -1
                    "Revenge is a dish to be served cold."
                    I.Stalin
                    1. Mahmut
                      Mahmut 7 February 2016 18: 35
                      +5
                      This is an English proverb.
                      1. Nitarius
                        Nitarius 8 February 2016 10: 09
                        -1
                        No dear! NOT English .. I assure you! but purely Russian!
                    2. nrex
                      nrex 8 February 2016 12: 20
                      0
                      Not a nice avatar. Would change
                  4. Victor Demchenko
                    Victor Demchenko 7 February 2016 13: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: svp67
                    Revenge is a dish that needs to be served cold.

                    Mario Puzo. "Godfather"
                    and I think it is absolutely correct that it is a "cold dish." hi
                  5. goblin xnumx
                    goblin xnumx 7 February 2016 16: 45
                    -10 qualifying.
                    are you talking about the so-called plan of Putin? - the plan about Ukraine Donbass Syria is now Turkey :)
                    1. Dry_T-50
                      Dry_T-50 9 February 2016 22: 46
                      0
                      Quote: Leshy74
                      are you talking about the so-called plan of Putin? - the plan about Ukraine Donbass Syria is now Turkey :)

                      And what's so frightening about it? Ukrainian "reforms" put an end to the dreams of embroiderers about lace panties, Crimea is blocking Ukraine's integration into NATO, and the reincorporation of Donbass into Ukraine on the terms of the Minsk Agreement will firmly tie them to us. Europe ... Europe will not mind , otherwise we will hand them over to be torn apart by ISIS. Syria (ISIS) is a product of a gathering between the West and Russia, just as Nazi Germany became a point of contact between the USSR, Great Britain and the United States
                      And the plane is flowers in comparison with the fact that the polar fox came to the Euro-Baltic unity with respect to Russia
                  6. spy008
                    spy008 8 February 2016 22: 22
                    +2
                    And also: they don’t take revenge - only cowards, but revenge right away - only fools!
                2. Volzhanin
                  Volzhanin 7 February 2016 10: 38
                  +8
                  The only disappointing thing is that the statements of our enemies are called the word "propaganda", although the correct wording is an OVERALL CINICAL LIE!
                  Diplomacy, etc. all this is understandable, of course, but it’s time to know the measure and start calling events by their proper names.
                3. RUSIVAN
                  RUSIVAN 7 February 2016 11: 06
                  -7
                  We were appointed terpils ... and we will appoint you as terpyls based on the collected minuses)))
                4. koshmarik
                  koshmarik 7 February 2016 11: 12
                  +7
                  Do not boil. Haste is needed when catching fleas.
              2. Generalissimo
                Generalissimo 7 February 2016 03: 38
                +5
                The article at the very end of the Turks otmazyvayut. Or when they shot down a bomber over Syria, was that also a fright?
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 7 February 2016 04: 51
                  10
                  Quote: Generalissimo
                  Or when they (the Turks) shot down a bomber over Syria, was that also a fright?

                  There was also such a version that Erdogan was framed by his own military (for many of whom he is like a bone in the throat) with the direct support of "mattress-striped" advisers.

                  Judging by the inadequacy, which then popped from there - it is very similar to the truth.

                  IMHO.
                  1. Generalissimo
                    Generalissimo 7 February 2016 05: 26
                    +7
                    Maybe, but he himself is inadequate, and this is evident.
            2. The stranger
              The stranger 7 February 2016 04: 40
              +2
              Judging by the actions of local trolls, the ovs have no decision yet. Itch turnips, options are not outlined.
            3. Jack-b
              Jack-b 8 February 2016 13: 07
              0
              Quote: Baikonur
              I hope that in this case, NATA will become full and disown the tip-psychopath!

              I’m afraid that the goal of a recent film on the Air Force about a nuclear war over the Baltic states was to prepare for a war over Turkey. That would not zas.ali. It is not a fact that the war will be nuclear. The main task is to not enter the war at all.
          2. Inok10
            Inok10 6 February 2016 22: 38
            17
            Quote: User
            There is one country with a black president, which has long been looking for a pretext for conflict. For this purpose, Ukraine was turned into a bloody circus. The Baltic and Scandinavian countries are screaming "wolves" almost every day (although they have no sheep).

            ... they don’t scream ... while they are whispering in their lips ... after another kick from overseas ... but the point is that they are here ... well, the leg is kicking there, overseas ... that's what thoughts some skip ... they’ll beat here not according to statements, but over the territory ... the principle is its own shirt closer to the body, no one has yet refuted ... laughing ... Europe is not completely stupid ... there were plenty of lessons ... 1612-14, 1812-14, 1941-45 ... hi ... without even remembering Don and Nevsky ... hi
            1. mihasik
              mihasik 7 February 2016 00: 04
              16
              Quote: Inok10
              Europe is not completely stupid ... there were plenty of lessons ... 1612-14, 1812-14, 1941-45 ... ... without even remembering the Don and Nevsky ...

              And what? Stop jumping on the rake?
              Russia just needs to be dragged into a military conflict and the United States will still drag us, even with a carcass, even with a roller! Provocations will intensify before the chapel until Putin has to choose either war or the shame of the country.
              If we answer only to Turkey, and not all over NATO at once including the United States, then history will repeat itself "Groundhog Day": again all of Europe will fight with Russia, and England, Canada and the United States will cut "coupons" on this, supposedly standing on the sidelines there was no reason to beat nuclear weapons at them. Everything is banal and simple again.
              1. owl
                owl 7 February 2016 00: 14
                -55 qualifying.
                Quote: mihasik
                while Putin will have to choose either war or the shame of the country.

                I’ll get the audacity to add the third option vaoyna!, and so far everything is on the way and as they say, the analogy to the person 1914-2014 (conflict in Ukraine) and 1917
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 7 February 2016 00: 42
                  21
                  Quote: gufo
                  I’m going to get the audacity to add the third version of vaoynaSpozorom !, and so far everything goes to that and the analogy is said to face 1914-2014 (conflict in Ukraine) and 1917 -...

                  Expand .. You are unsympathetic to me (I will not hide), but in this case, they are also incomprehensible ..
                  1. kartalovkolya
                    kartalovkolya 7 February 2016 11: 54
                    +4
                    Looks like tovarisch pulled from "Kanachikovaya Dacha", don't you think? I haven't finished the course of treatment, here's the result ...
                  2. your1970
                    your1970 7 February 2016 12: 52
                    +1
                    Cat man null
                    his sequence is broken - 1917 enters the 1914-2014 period, but 1904 (shameful loss) falls out and 1945 (obvious even for the most stubborn) enters ...
                    In general, what / whom he had in mind - in my opinion, he himself did not understand, a break in logic and / or critical days of the brain ...
                2. vip.alex113
                  vip.alex113 7 February 2016 03: 20
                  +5
                  Cawing, damn it, it’s not good, for this you will be bypassed, and let the heads have a headache not only on the topic of "how to wash, earn and steal more dough", but also how to fulfill the tasks assigned to them
                3. nrex
                  nrex 8 February 2016 12: 25
                  0
                  And you take for comparison another date 1709, 1812: or you do not remember these dates?
              2. Inok10
                Inok10 7 February 2016 00: 28
                10
                Quote: mihasik
                And what? Stop jumping on the rake?
                Russia just needs to be dragged into a military conflict and the United States will drag us all the same, even with a carcass, even with a roller!

                ... this is a fact, but only we should be 100% as an aggressor, but this is basically not possible ... otherwise this action is meaningless and will not bring any benefits to mattresses ... laughing
                Quote: mihasik
                Provocations will intensify before the chapel until Putin has to choose either war or the shame of the country.

                ... there is always not one way out, but at least three ... the world is so arranged ... GDP and Russia are satisfied with the Victory! ... and only so ! ... Ukraine, recall the result of Crimea ?! ..and the war is not over yet ... hi
                Quote: mihasik
                If we answer only to Turkey, and not all over NATO at once including the United States, then history will repeat itself "Groundhog Day": again all of Europe will fight with Russia, and England, Canada and the United States will cut "coupons" on this, supposedly standing on the sidelines there was no reason to beat nuclear weapons at them. Everything is banal and simple again.

                ... but where did you now see unity in NATO ?! ... and why trample into the Stone Age a member of NATO, Greece, which already hardly gets along with Turkey in the Aegean? ... where is the logic? ... Turkey’s aggression, God forbid against Syria, has nothing to do with paragraph 5 of NATO’s charter ... they simply turn their backs ... tolerant ... laughing
                1. mihasik
                  mihasik 7 February 2016 01: 10
                  -4
                  .. this is a fact, but only we should be 100% as an aggressor, but this is basically not possible laughing

                  So the evidence on Ukrainian Facebook laughing And for this Russia is the aggressor, and Putin is a "tyrant"! What more evidence do you have if the black "god" himself said this? wassat
                  otherwise this action is meaningless and will not bring any benefits to mattresses

                  The benefit is just enormous in the fact that the United States will be satisfied with the second option by 200%, namely, that we will accept the shame of defeat without a military conflict as with the collapse of the USSR, as with the collapse of the CMEA, as with the collapse of Yugoslavia, as with the "scammer" of Cuba and Vietnam and again submit to the United States as in the 90s.
                  GDP and Russia are satisfied with the Victory!

                  A military victory over half the world, a priori, will not happen. We have already tightened our belts from the sanctions, so there is no "hot phase" of the war yet. And in the case of using nuclear weapons, if we survive, we will be like the man-eating catfish that are found in the canals around Pripyat.
                  1. Inok10
                    Inok10 7 February 2016 01: 24
                    15
                    Quote: mihasik
                    So the evidence on the Ukrainian Facebook And on this Russia is the aggressor, and Putin is a "tyrant"! What more evidence do you have if the black "god" himself said this?

                    ... Mikhail Batkovich ... laughing ... killed ... laughing ... is that a black god ?! ... laughing
                    1. mihasik
                      mihasik 7 February 2016 01: 34
                      +5
                      Quote: Inok10
                      .. Mikhail Batkovich ... ... killed ... ... is this a black god ?! ...

                      HE!!!!! laughing laughing laughing Why isn’t it scary? laughing laughing laughing
                    2. Inok10
                      Inok10 7 February 2016 01: 39
                      17
                      Quote: mihasik
                      The benefit is just enormous in the fact that the United States will be satisfied with the second option by 200%, namely, that we will accept the shame of defeat without a military conflict as with the collapse of the USSR, as with the collapse of the CMEA, as with the collapse of Yugoslavia, as with the "scammer" of Cuba and Vietnam and again submit to the United States as in the 90s.

                      ... something according to the latest results ... I don’t notice any similarities ... Mikhail Batkovich, when you interfere with a cocktail, you still need to look at the shelf life of the ingredients .. well, you can get grassy, ​​it’s not even an hour ... like 25 years ago component passed .. hi
                      Quote: mihasik
                      A military victory over half the world, a priori, will not happen. We have already tightened our belts from the sanctions, so there is no "hot phase" of the war yet. And in the case of using nuclear weapons, if we survive, we will be like the man-eating catfish that are found in the canals around Pripyat.

                      ... what half of the world, where are they ?! ... Greece and Germany? ... there is no half the world, there is YOUR SHIRT CLOSER TO THE BODY AND HOW TO TIME Jump FROM THE EUROPEAN CART .. you might think Bavaria itself jumped from fat to Moscow ... laughing ... and I’m here in Kaliningrad’s province right now I’m ready for pshek, legs to lick ... yeah, sha
                      ! ... I already have a place near Gdansk under a boathouse ... laughing
                      1. Victor Demchenko
                        Victor Demchenko 7 February 2016 13: 19
                        -4
                        Quote: Inok10
                        ! ... I already have a place near Gdansk under a boathouse ...

                        I mean when will the Kaliningrad region become the Keningberg Voivodeship? fool explain !!! angry
                      2. Inok10
                        Inok10 8 February 2016 11: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: Viktor Demchenko
                        I mean when will the Kaliningrad region become the Keningberg Voivodeship? explain !!!

                        ... like this ... hi
                      3. Sorokin
                        Sorokin 8 February 2016 14: 57
                        +1
                        Well, somehow interesting. But not quite zahapchenko. It should be more voluminous.
                      4. nikon7717
                        nikon7717 8 February 2016 15: 56
                        +1
                        You remembered the memorable division of East Prussia into the 3 part after the 2 world, when Stalin Gdansk and part of the Baltic spit were cut off by the Poles, and also given territories to Klaipeda to Lithuania, as should each union republic have its own good port? Yeah ...
                        And remembering that the Principality of Lithuania under Jagiello was generally only Rus, we can draw conclusions as to how not to twist the rope, there is always an end.
                        Yes. The guys will have to turn back to Kaliningrad-Konigsberg-Prussia. Or what was the name of the settlements here before the conquest by the Crusaders? The orders came precisely to plunder, colonize, "enlighten" the rich and densely populated lands, and not into the desert. And who was here - yes, all Slavs))
                    3. nrex
                      nrex 8 February 2016 12: 31
                      0
                      Before you minus read again !!!!
                  2. mihasik
                    mihasik 7 February 2016 16: 38
                    0
                    Quote: Inok10
                    what half of the world, where are they ?! ... Greece and Germany? ... there’s not any half of the world, there is YOUR SHIRT CLOSER TO THE BODY and HOW TO TIME JUMP FROM THE EUROPEAN CARTOON ... you might think Bavaria itself jumped from fat to Moscow ... ... and I’m directly ready for psham here in Kaliningrad province, feet lick ... yeah, sha
                    ! ... I already have a place near Gdansk under a boathouse ...

                    Something is not visible that they jump from this "European cart"! As the saying goes: "The mice cried, injected, but they continued to eat the cactus!" And about the "shirt" it is to the point: while it is profitable for them to sit under the wing of the United States, they will sit there until this very United States falls apart! But if they fall apart then they run to someone to "suck".
                    And at the expense of Gdansk ... No offense laughing As there is in the next proverb: "Your" face ", but the honey would grab! laughing
                2. GRIGORIY1957
                  GRIGORIY1957 7 February 2016 21: 56
                  0
                  No, this one, plus the witch ...

                  Possible future goddess ...

                  Image: https://my.mail.ru/mail/grigoriy1957/photo/_animateddialog/6718.html


                  https://content.foto.my.mail.ru/mail/grigoriy1957/_animateddialog/h-6718.jpg
              3. nrex
                nrex 8 February 2016 12: 29
                +1
                It is not necessary to defeat the floor of the WORLD, it is only necessary to return its territory to Syria, and in between to finish off the terrorist ISIS.
          3. Cat man null
            Cat man null 7 February 2016 00: 38
            14
            Quote: mihasik
            Russia just needs to be dragged into a military conflict and the US will drag us all the same

            Perhaps ... in any case, the United States has been trying for a long time (and so far to no avail, see Ukraine, before Georgia).

            Quote: mihasik
            If we respond only to Turkey, and not to all of NATO at once, including the United States

            Damn .. well, you have a scale .. universal, I would say .. but who said that Turkey should answer .. "officially"? You don't consider the option of "independent Kurdistan", as I understand it?

            Quote: mihasik
            and England, Canada and the USA will cut "coupons" on this

            And England, the United States and Canada (and what does this colony of the United States, by the way?) - once again licked ..

            Anecdote:

            - optimist teaches English
            - a pessimist teaches Chinese
            - a realist teaches a Kalashnikov assault rifle

            Since I know AK .. well, angelic is not bad, but the Chinese didn’t rest on my forehead - I am a realistic optimist, laughing
            1. mihasik
              mihasik 7 February 2016 01: 15
              +4
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Since I know AK .. well, angelic is not bad, but the Chinese didn’t rest on my forehead - I am a realistic optimist,

              I see the checkbox laughing
              Are you leaning towards repeating Groundhog Day? laughing
              And what does "Independent Kurdistan" have to do with this expression: "Europe is not completely stupid ... there were plenty of lessons ... 1612-14, 1812-14, 1941-45 ... ... without even remembering Don and Nevsky .. "?
              Europe is like a "lone suicide bomber," where the US says it will go. It will only blow up not only itself, but also the one whom they say. In principle, the bells are already visible wassat
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 7 February 2016 01: 32
                11
                Quote: mihasik
                I see the checkbox

                The checkbox is on the left, the picture below is the rationale .. I would have nailed the nafig of the programmer who taught this site to determine the user's IP .. the programmer himself, I would have killed nafig for less.

                Quote: mihasik
                And where does the "Independent Kurdistan"

                Given that Turkey will immediately have enough of its internal problems, and it will not even need to pretend to be a "regional power". IMHO, naturally ..

                Quote: mihasik
                Europe as a "lone suicide bomber", where the US says it will go

                This is .. not quite an adequate model, IMHO, again. Just familiar with many living there - there are no such moods there. An-masses, at least. And stunned - they are everywhere, and in the Russian Federation too ..
                1. mihasik
                  mihasik 7 February 2016 02: 03
                  +6
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  Given that Turkey will immediately have enough of its internal problems, and it will not even need to pretend to be a "regional power". IMHO, naturally ..

                  But who will ask her (Turkey)? laughing Turkey is just a wick.
                  about .. not quite an adequate model, IMHO, again. Just familiar with many living there - there are no such moods there. En-masses at least

                  So no one asked us in the 90s either, do we want a "heavenly" life and the collapse of the USSR?
                  So the EU is more than sure that the overwhelming majority of the people did not want the "legalization" of LGBT people and the "accupation" of refugees. But did someone ask them there? laughing
                  And on the account that they do not want to fight, this is fie for two times, spit: Ukraine to help! There they have already zombified half of the country, and they have driven those who have not yet been forcibly through "mogilization".
                  Or do you think that in the EU "special" people live and are not being zombified? laughing
                  1. aleksey980
                    aleksey980 7 February 2016 13: 33
                    +2
                    Quote: mihasik
                    So no one asked us in the 90s either, do we want a "heavenly" life and the collapse of the USSR?

                    They asked about the collapse. The answer turned up and ruined.
              2. your1970
                your1970 7 February 2016 12: 58
                +1
                Kurdistan-just unofficially throw a weapon, a banal shooting and already a headache with heartburn Turkey is provided ..
              3. nrex
                nrex 8 February 2016 12: 39
                0
                For all Euro politicians, the CIA collected volumes of compromising materials, everyone is sitting on a strong kukan. Many have a fun and interesting past in their youth since the city of Merkel. In power is just the generation of the 60s, the hippie generation. Well, that’s it, I think. And for whom there is no compromising evidence, the example of Stoscan is a warning to everyone.
            2. mihasik
              mihasik 7 February 2016 01: 22
              +4
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Perhaps ... in any case, the United States has been trying for a long time (and so far to no avail, see Ukraine, before Georgia).

              Well why. Do not forget about the First and Second World War. Who was dragged in? And who won from the war? laughing
              And the "tools" for this are now unlike the past.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 7 February 2016 02: 05
                +1
                Quote: mihasik
                Do not forget about the First and Second World War. Who was dragged in?

                Yes, it is clear who ..

                Quote: mihasik
                And the "tools" for this are now unlike the past.

                So, and there are counter-tools too wink
                1. mihasik
                  mihasik 7 February 2016 02: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  So, and there are counter-tools too

                  There are, but we have an order of magnitude less. Unfortunately.
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 7 February 2016 02: 22
                    +2
                    Quote: mihasik
                    There are, but we have an order of magnitude less. Unfortunately.

                    Can I learn more? It’s just that I also have thoughts on this subject ..

                    Well, I don’t want to fight simply because our striped-eared friends wanted (forget about "my" flag for a while - I repeat - flag - left)
                  2. mihasik
                    mihasik 7 February 2016 03: 48
                    +5
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    There are, but we have an order of magnitude less. Unfortunately.
                    Can I learn more? It’s just that I also have thoughts on this subject ..

                    The balance of forces in conventional weapons is not in our favor at times. If the US doctrine of "Instant Global Strike" is used, our missile defense / air defense system simply cannot physically intercept all launched Axes launched from surface and submarines, i.e. there will be damage to the infrastructure, as opposed to zero damage to the attacker's territory (I mean the main one, that is, the United States). And given the fact that missile defense / air defense mainly protects only strategic objects, the damage will be even greater. Electronic warfare systems are still not enough to cover the entire territory of the country, only certain directions. Except, of course, that the Russian Federation can respond with a nuclear strike. There is no need for an occupation as such; it is enough to drive the Russian Federation into the "Stone Age" like Libya. Maybe, of course, we have some hidden reserves that we do not know about. I would like to believe, but the report on the re-equipment of the Russian Army says that in 2015, 37% of new equipment was received, and this is not enough. "Armata" is not yet in the series, the T-50 will only begin to be supplied to the troops from this year ... drive the attacker into the "anus"? Question.
                    But you hope, as always, of course, for the best).
                  3. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 7 February 2016 04: 08
                    14
                    For example, I really like this video here:

                    This is despite the fact that to me "on a visit", if anything, certainly something will fly, and more than one (to the MCC - 500 meters, to the territory of "Energia" - a kilometer and a half, probably .. definitely not more request

                    Nevertheless, being an "optimistic realist", I do not yet see the prerequisites for a global turmoil (and, by and large, no one needs it). Locally - yes, they are trying and will try to bite, but so far ours, who are supposed to, IMHO, are good at fending off these attempts. May God grant them good luck in the future, and you and I will calmly live to an old age.

                    That's something like yes
                  4. mihasik
                    mihasik 7 February 2016 10: 49
                    +2
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Locally - yes, they are trying and will try to bite, but so far, our people, IMHO, are pretty good at countering these attempts. God give them good luck in the future, and you and me - calmly live to old age.

                    They definitely won’t give peace to live laughing
                    How is it: "We only dream of peace"? laughing
                  5. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 7 February 2016 15: 09
                    +3
                    Quote: mihasik
                    They definitely won’t give peace to live

                    "A pessimist is a well-informed optimist" (c) Strugatsky (in my opinion what )

                    Quote: mihasik
                    How is it: "We only dream of peace"?

                    "Yes, we are Scythians, yes, we are Asians, with slanted and greedy eyes" (c) A. Blok
                  6. mihasik
                    mihasik 7 February 2016 18: 49
                    0
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    "" A pessimist is a well-informed optimist "(c) Strugatskys (in my opinion what) Yes, we are Scythians, yes, we are Asians, with slanting and greedy eyes" (c) A. Blok

                    Flatter however, this is me on a hunch, although it’s nice repeat And with A. Blok, here I completely agree! smile
            3. Generalissimo
              Generalissimo 7 February 2016 05: 16
              +1
              As everything is "complicated" ... The strategy implies inflicting comparable damage, if these "axes" cause great damage, then the United States, as a last resort, will simply sniff the atom a little (with the same damage for them, or with proportional damage).
            4. Inok10
              Inok10 7 February 2016 13: 10
              +1
              Quote: Generalissimo
              As everything is "complicated" ... The strategy implies inflicting comparable damage, if these "axes" cause great damage, then the United States, as a last resort, will simply sniff the atom a little (with the same damage for them, or with proportional damage).

              ... read what mattresses mean by unacceptable damage ... earlier in Soviet times - 10% loss of population and infrastructure ... now just 1 warhead that is, interest is no longer considered, just one of our warheads arriving is already a cord for them ... hi
            5. Generalissimo
              Generalissimo 8 February 2016 12: 42
              -1
              usually not written about such things openly
        2. Volzhanin
          Volzhanin 7 February 2016 11: 01
          +3
          While their missiles are flying, the answer will be already launched 10 times. And there someone will intercept how much. You can’t protect one yellow stone. So that America will not be in any case. And we’ll manage to arrange some super tsunami during this time and infect the entire coast of Yankerstan for several decades.
        3. your1970
          your1970 7 February 2016 13: 13
          +1
          а not military our counterattacks you do not count?
          Well, for example, a banal dumping of cash / non-cash dollars at any exchange rate in exchange for gold, for example, even for nothing, to any organizations (for example, organizations for free Texas) / Cuban states for example .. But only for this, Americans will tear their president into small rags ...
          We will not be limited by anything AT ALL - as we will be in a state of WAR with all, by this moment, several tens of millions of our citizens will die and there will be no moral / legal restrictions ...

          Well, a military retaliatory strike will fly by itself .. Even the minimum damage (even if the first strike destroys almost all of our Strategic Rocket Forces) will result in a greater population density
    2. 2С5
      2С5 7 February 2016 06: 29
      +2
      ... well this is still a baaaalsh question of who has what and what is less ...
  • Inok10
    Inok10 7 February 2016 02: 10
    +3
    Quote: mihasik
    Well why. Do not forget about the First and Second World War. Who was dragged in? And who won from the war?
    And the "tools" for this are now unlike the past.

    ... and then Ostap suffered ... laughing ... began with CMEA and the USSR has already reached the First World War ... you need a bite! ... laughing
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 7 February 2016 02: 19
      +2
      Quote: Inok10
      ... and then Ostap suffered ... ... he began with CMEA and the USSR had already reached the First World War ... you need to eat! ...

      Why is it slowing down? laughing Schaz also remember about "Donskoy and Nevskoy"! laughing
  • Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 7 February 2016 13: 20
    +1
    Bravo! good
    well done! (even swearing with you sometimes) .. hi
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 7 February 2016 19: 02
      0
      Quote: Victor Demchenko
      Bravo! good
      well done! (even swearing with you sometimes) .. hi

      Who are you? Designate).
  • 2С5
    2С5 7 February 2016 06: 23
    +1
    ... so that there is no reason to hammer at them nuclear weapons

    ... if the war starts, then most likely you won’t have to search for a reason, they’ll be fucked up, excluding possible potential opponents or sponsors of the enemy, and that’s it!
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 7 February 2016 19: 04
      0
      Quote: 2C5
      ... so that there is no reason to hammer at them nuclear weapons

      ... if the war starts, then most likely you won’t have to search for a reason, they’ll be fucked up, excluding possible potential opponents or sponsors of the enemy, and that’s it!

      Yes, not really! There are international rules and treaties, and if you violate them and cannot prove your case, you are an outcast.
  • V.ic
    V.ic 7 February 2016 07: 42
    +2
    Quote: mihasik
    Russia just needs to be dragged into a military conflict and the US will drag us all the same

    This is dangerous. In November 1853, the Russian fleet under the command of Nakhimov defeated the Turkish fleet in the Sinop Bay. When the then NATO stood up for Turkey, the victorious fleet had to be sunk in September 1854. A year later, at the end of August 1855, the French occupied the Malakhov Kurgan. It is necessary to remember the lessons of history, because you can again step on the same rake.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 7 February 2016 11: 48
      +6
      The French occupied the Malakhov Kurgan, and so what? Why did you focus on this well-known fact? The Russians occupied Warsaw, Berlin, Paris! The results of the Crimean War are obvious - the union of the largest empires in the world could not defeat Russia alone and was forced to retreat.
      The lesson of history is that Russia alone can confront several of the strongest states on the planet.
  • 2С5
    2С5 7 February 2016 06: 18
    +1
    ... this same black man is afraid to go to a specific armed conflict with Russia and will not allow the Nats ... it is much more profitable for them, under the pretext of the "Russian threat", to pull money from the budget of both their own and their "members" and wage an almost bloodless information war .. It is clear that the armies of the "members" are mainly involved in the clashes, but if it comes (and easily can!) to the involvement of the citizens of the "superpower" in real hostilities, a social explosion in America will follow with demonstrations, demonstrations and other mess in which Russia is not to blame blame the sense will not and it will end very deplorably for the very same shsha ... the ogis understand this perfectly well, not all the same there are dull-witted ...
  • go21zd45few
    go21zd45few 7 February 2016 07: 47
    0
    It seems to me that in the year of the presidential election, the United States will not go into conflict themselves, but it is always welcome to set off and help with weapons.
    NATO is also not in a time of military conflict, especially with Russia, given the situation with the influx of refugees into Europe, because this is a time bomb in their rear. The Turks should be smart enough not to go into an open confrontation with Russia
  • Idiot
    Idiot 7 February 2016 09: 54
    +2
    The US and NATO will NEVER get involved in a possible conflict between Russia and Turkey.
  • Idiot
    Idiot 7 February 2016 09: 54
    -1
    The US and NATO will NEVER get involved in a possible conflict between Russia and Turkey.
  • kotvov
    kotvov 7 February 2016 11: 14
    -2
    If this starts as an international conflict, it will certainly grow into an international one with the participation of NATO and, in particular, the USA. ,,
    I don’t think that the Americans understand perfectly well that if something happens, a club will go through them as well. But throwing the Turks into thin air, quite in the spirit of the “chosen ones”, can yell about aggression.
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  • APASUS
    APASUS 6 February 2016 22: 57
    +4
    Quote: Inok10
    Quote: Damm
    I really hope for it. We have a national tradition of joining big wars unprepared

    ... not in this case ... it will be a regional conflict, if at all ... the Turks can yell and scream as much as they want, together with the Saudis and Co. four months bring their dreams to dust ... Assad's CAA equals on the surface ... the dream of the Saudis and Turkey about a land corridor is almost dead ... screeching and threats begin ... well, of course they run to NATO for a "roof", but everything is complicated here ... hi

    This will probably be the biggest victory of the United States. The more countries we split up, the more Americans will receive orders for armaments and fewer countries will have to pay debts. And of course, they will restore and deliver their puppets, Russia will usually not be ... .........
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 6 February 2016 23: 17
      17
      Quote: APASUS
      This will probably be the biggest victory of the United States. The more countries we split up, the more Americans will receive orders for armaments and fewer countries will have to pay debts. And of course, they will restore and deliver their puppets, Russia will usually not be ... .........

      ... you carefully read what I wrote ... hi ... Turkey and Saudi Arabia and Co ... for 4 years they were preparing a victorious Daesh procession ... in the limited territory of Syria ... the aerospace forces leveled it to dust, SSA Assad leveled the dust on the surface ... Turkey dreamed and already drew maps with Latakia and the province of Aleppo ... The Saudis and Co. considered Dyer Es Zor and Raqqa, Hama, Homs to be their ... Alas ... hi ... did we touch the Independent States ?! ... take it away, we broke their plans for someone else’s territory, for which we have our own plans ... hi
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 6 February 2016 22: 58
    +6
    the Turks can yell and scream as much as they like,
    Not Turks, but Turks.
    1. ZSU 23 4
      ZSU 23 4 7 February 2016 01: 04
      +2
      There was no malicious intent in his utterance. I think so.
    2. vip.alex113
      vip.alex113 7 February 2016 03: 10
      +1
      And it’s funnier, with humor, such as the ancient and backward as the very Türks :))
  • Dam
    Dam 6 February 2016 23: 00
    16
    There will be no regional conflict. We can’t keep the Turks in Syria with two with 400, one Fort, and four Su 35. Like it or not, the Syrians also can’t stand the frontal blow of a regular army. And this means that we need to either dump or fully multiply by 0 Turks in their territory, which will inevitably lead to large civilian casualties on both sides and hysterical screeches of European enlightenment, with the possible entry into the war. And the mattresses gladly rub their hands and sell everything to everyone. Here's a prospect, happy? And we’ll give the rear after the plane, so who writes the scripts for us? We or someone with striped ears?
    1. mitrich
      mitrich 6 February 2016 23: 23
      11
      I agree that if the Turks strike in full force against Syria, neither ours nor the Syrians will survive the blow. We'll have to wet the Turks for an adult. And this is a full-fledged war. And the author is wrong, considering that we will destroy all Turks' air forces at once with caliber alone.
      Again, "with little blood and on a foreign land." The fight will be in full, because the Ottomans will need to be extinguished so that they no longer rock the boat. And this is if Nata still does not fit in some form.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 6 February 2016 23: 33
        +4
        The authors are not in the know to see that the Turks have 200 (?!) F-16s. What time are they going to kill all this horde? School level reasoning
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 7 February 2016 09: 48
          +4
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          The authors are not in the know to see that the Turks have 200 (?!) F-16s. What time are they going to kill all this horde? School level reasoning

          You are like children, by golly. Do you seriously think that the Turks will bare their borders, surpassing all f-16s on one front? And our type will not be able to access them from the side of Armenia ... Secondly, besides the Su-35, there are also Su-30 and Su-34.
        2. your1970
          your1970 7 February 2016 13: 21
          +2
          And? If NATO doesn’t fit in, how many days will 200 planes last when striking Turkish airfields not even with nuclear forces but with ordinary bombing + with the help of C-400 + our and Syrian conventional fighters? Day, two, week?
      2. cap
        cap 7 February 2016 00: 33
        +4
        Quote: mitrich
        We'll have to wet the Turks for an adult. And this is a full-fledged war. And the author is wrong, considering that we will destroy all Turks' air forces at once with caliber alone.

        Quote: mitrich
        And the mattresses gladly rub their hands and sell everything to everyone. Here's a prospect, happy? And we’ll give the rear after the plane, so who writes the scripts for us? We or someone with striped ears?


        To disagree with you is to contradict yourself. I drew a zone of defeat as a way out of the situation, the peaceful Turk minusled. I didn’t like it. We don’t understand the fools that they will be erased from the card. Thank you. ++
      3. mihasik
        mihasik 7 February 2016 02: 34
        0
        Quote: mitrich
        yat, "with little blood and on a foreign land." The fight will be in full, because the Ottomans will need to be extinguished so that they no longer rock the boat. And this is if Nata still does not fit in some form.

        It will fit, and if the "point" is playing, then there is a "doctor" with an American vaccine "for fear."
      4. KaPToC
        KaPToC 7 February 2016 12: 03
        +2
        You do not recognize the potential difference. Russia can bombard Turkey from its territory with cruise missiles; Turkey can only bombard the Black Sea coast of Russia.
        How much can Russia produce cruise missiles per day? After all, we do not have the task to occupy Turkey?
        1. SAN31
          SAN31 7 February 2016 19: 07
          +1
          Not less than a hundred.
    2. Inok10
      Inok10 6 February 2016 23: 31
      23
      Quote: Damm
      There will be no regional conflict. We can’t keep the Turks in Syria with two with 400, one Fort, and four Su 35. Like it or not, the Syrians also can’t stand the frontal blow of a regular army.

      ... but, how many cardinal points ?! ... just think ... Turkey also has 4 of them ... and only one in this case is safe for the West ... but it will not help them ... he wants to live himself ... laughing
      P.S. and why all the authors of the statements about the vulnerability of our positions in Syria do not take into account that the combat radius of the SU-27 is 1200 km ... from Krasnodar to the center of Turkey 678 km. ... no one has canceled the capabilities of the South-East Military District ... and the bases in Armenia ... enough people-people to mislead ... laughing
      1. Dam
        Dam 7 February 2016 01: 19
        -1
        The key phrase was "regional". It will not be possible to fight only in Syria, and this will most likely lead to a general dump, since a quick victory will not work due to the impossibility of a land operation
      2. your1970
        your1970 7 February 2016 13: 23
        0
        And Greece would prefer to stand aside to see how the Turks are jumping ...
  • olegfbi
    olegfbi 7 February 2016 00: 21
    +2
    And the Turks, it seems, very clearly realized the alignment of forces in the region and the reality of the prospect of losing their combat aircraft overnight.

    Everything is simple and complicated at the same time! It is quite obvious that the Turkish Air Force in general doesn’t have any chance at all in confronting the Russian Air Force!
    Another issue is the level of losses and the further development of the situation in the event of hostilities. But real hostilities can lead to unpredictable consequences, right up to the war with NATO, using WMD !!!
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 7 February 2016 12: 12
      +2
      The West is not worried about the use of WMD, why should we?
  • olegfbi
    olegfbi 7 February 2016 00: 21
    0
    And the Turks, it seems, very clearly realized the alignment of forces in the region and the reality of the prospect of losing their combat aircraft overnight.

    Everything is simple and complicated at the same time! It is quite obvious that the Turkish Air Force in general doesn’t have any chance at all in confronting the Russian Air Force!

    Another issue is the level of losses and the further development of the situation in the event of hostilities.
    But real hostilities can lead to unpredictable consequences, right up to the war with NATO, using WMD !!!
  • There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us 7 February 2016 09: 20
    +6
    Nothing complicated. In the event of NATO military intervention, Russia will use tactical, and possibly strategic, nuclear weapons. And who can start digging.
  • Sandov
    Sandov 7 February 2016 15: 05
    +1
    I don’t think that a gringo with sixes will conflict. Who will subscribe for the unreasonable actions of Erdogan?
  • realist
    realist 7 February 2016 17: 08
    +1
    I’m betting that NATO didn’t put a penny into creating and equipping the igles, the picture is different there: throwing guns to the militants America and Turkey began to take stolen oil as payment for weapons (at half price!) and here it started to grow in the US oil reserves with official reporting of a decline in production, the price of oil in the market began to fall due to the fact that there was an excess of oil supply in the market ......
    the most interesting thing is that Americans are calculating and creating situations that are beneficial to them, moreover, beautifully, multi-way! and almost all of them succeed ..... you have to study, although study not study and the world media belongs to whom? here he will always win!
  • vovanpain
    vovanpain 6 February 2016 22: 34
    20
    On February 6, Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem said at a press conference that foreign troops participating in a ground operation in Syria without an invitation from official Damascus would “return home in coffins,” the Associated Press reports.

    So Muallem reacted to the statement of Bahrain, which, after Saudi Arabia, announced its readiness to send troops to Syria as part of a ground operation to combat the ISIS terrorist group (the Arabic name Daesh is banned in Russia). “Any military intervention without the consent of the government of the Syrian Arab Republic will be perceived as aggression. In this connection, the interventionists will have to be sent home in coffins, ”the minister said.

    Recall, on February 4, the Saudi authorities announced their readiness to take part in the ground operation in Syria as part of an international coalition led by the United States. According to The Guardian, Riyadh can send several thousand soldiers to Syria, who are likely to act in coordination with Turkey.

    It is worth noting that the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Igor Konashenkov, previously stated that there are serious reasons to suspect that Turkey is intensively preparing for a military invasion of Syria. hi So any scenario is possible. request
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 6 February 2016 22: 41
      +9
      Quote: vovanpain
      So Muallem reacted to the statement of Bahrain, which, after Saudi Arabia, announced its readiness to send troops to Syria as part of a ground operation to combat the ISIS terrorist group (the Arabic name Daesh is banned in Russia). “Any military intervention without the consent of the government of the Syrian Arab Republic will be perceived as aggression. In this connection, the interventionists will have to be sent home in coffins, ”the minister said.

      ... State of Bahrain ... 15x48 km. ... all ... laughing
      1. Kunar
        Kunar 7 February 2016 19: 01
        +1
        Aha! A small bug, yes, it’s smelly. Nail it with a slipper (as one highly planted hahliko used to say) like two fingers on asphalt, and stink on the whole planet ...
    2. mihasik
      mihasik 7 February 2016 02: 44
      +3
      Quote: vovanpain
      Muallam reacted to the statement by Bahrain, which, after Saudi Arabia, announced its readiness to send troops to Syria as part of a ground operation to combat the ISIS terrorist group (the Arabic name Daesh is banned in Russia). “Any military intervention without the consent of the government of the Syrian Arab Republic will be perceived as aggression. In this connection, the interventionists will have to be sent home in coffins, ”the minister said.

      So what? Arabs are prolific, still give birth.
      After all, Syria will not physically be able to answer together with Bahrain, the SA and Turkey on their territories, and the States will not give it either. But if the "Arab coalition" piles on from several sides, Eastern Syria will have to say goodbye. The United States is not aiming at Raqqa for nothing.
    3. Kunar
      Kunar 7 February 2016 18: 59
      +1
      Is the pie ripe? It's time to share ...?)))) How they love to drive into paradise on someone else's horseradish ... This is from the "exceptional". Here's just the game in the wrong league ... .))))
  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 6 February 2016 23: 49
    +7
    Quote: Damm
    I really hope for it. We have a national tradition of joining big wars unprepared

    And what does it mean to be unprepared for war? You can’t even imagine what kind of war it will be. We do not have a land border with Turkey. So combined-arms operations are not feasible. The Black Sea Fleet is not enough to transport even one motorized rifle division to the shores of Turkey. How will we conquer Turkey?
    The only option is to launch missile and bomb strikes and destroy the entire military structure, missile defense and air defense, destroy the fleet, destroy energy facilities, and military industry. Taking control of all the straits between the Black and Mediterranean Seas and the only troops capable of exercising this control are the Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps. And of course the VKS troops!
    Airborne troops and marines are always ready for combat. These are their mottos: "No one but us!" and "Where we are, there is victory!"
    The remaining land units and units will be gradually transported through the Black Sea and engage in battle immediately to seize enemy territory. So there’s enough time for conscription and replenishment of losses in the troops. There are enough small arms and other weapons and tanks, such as the T-72 of various modifications in Russia, in warehouses for all Russian citizens.
    1. cap
      cap 7 February 2016 00: 47
      +1
      Quote: Алексей_К
      The remaining land units and units will be gradually transported through the Black Sea and engage in battle immediately to seize enemy territory. So there’s enough time for conscription and replenishment of losses in the troops. There are enough small arms and other weapons and tanks, such as the T-72 of various modifications in Russia, in warehouses for all Russian citizens.


      It’s a good idea to take out the sunbathing infantry, there will be a problem with the service, however. Turkey and the beaches are there. There are no turks with trays.
    2. Dam
      Dam 7 February 2016 01: 12
      +7
      Sorry, you are obviously cardboard shoulder straps mixed up with real ones. Literally the chief of the General Staff, no less. To be ready for war, first of all to have a mob reserve, to be able to provide yourself with at least ammunition, and at most with equipment. I will not thicken and tell you about how many units of aircraft we put into operation in peacetime, and in war? And where do you get the pilots in the right amount quickly? The last time in history when paratroopers were used for their intended purpose? Who wants a lightly armed elite to be thrown into a meat grinder against enemy motorized infantry? Grinding the infrastructure of the Turks is quickly possible only with nuclear weapons. But will this not be the beginning of the general Arctic fox. I have three pages of questions like that of a person with a military education. I think the rest is also not doing much better, but we really run the risk of being against the Turks Europe, the Saudis in a debilitating conflict. And the winners will be mattresses
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 7 February 2016 01: 28
        +4
        Quote: Damm
        I have three pages of questions like that of a person with a military education.

        It is useless to explain to local cheers-patriots. They are not. understand that the airborne forces and calibers will be difficult to destroy the enemy’s infrastructure. Over several hundred objects in Syria are destroyed, and ISIS moves and attacks. And then 80mdn. Turkey is armed to the teeth, it won’t sit watching its territory be ironed.
        And even more so, it seems that here many people have information about the number of calibers and media capable of launching these calibers.
        already sick of these heroes, ready to break everyone in 1 second.
        1. Generalissimo
          Generalissimo 7 February 2016 03: 54
          +2
          So many strategists gathered! :-)
        2. KaPToC
          KaPToC 7 February 2016 12: 22
          +6
          Already sick of cowards, ready to surrender everything, if only there was no war? Let's give Crimea, let's give Kaliningrad, the Far East, Siberia, if only there was no war.
          Why should we give in? I am for the use of nuclear weapons in local conflicts.
          1. SAN31
            SAN31 7 February 2016 19: 19
            +4
            I support. Once cut off, calm down again for a century. We won’t cut it off;
          2. Abrash
            Abrash 9 February 2016 01: 45
            +2
            I completely agree with you, nuclear weapons were created in order to use them. Moreover, none of us will escape from death!
        3. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 7 February 2016 13: 19
          +1
          Quote: Yeraz
          Quote: Damm
          I have three pages of questions like that of a person with a military education.

          It is useless to explain to local cheers-patriots. They are not. understand that the airborne forces and calibers will be difficult to destroy the enemy’s infrastructure. Over several hundred objects in Syria are destroyed, and ISIS moves and attacks. And then 80mdn. Turkey is armed to the teeth, it won’t sit watching its territory be ironed.
          And even more so, it seems that here many people have information about the number of calibers and media capable of launching these calibers.
          already sick of these heroes, ready to break everyone in 1 second.

          You are obviously a traitor, because they forgot how in one month only Yugoslavia was defeated by missile and bomb strikes. You are silent about this consciously. And you are sick - it means YOU are sick. By the way, you can die from your vomit.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 11 February 2016 21: 58
            0
            Quote: Алексей_К
            You are obviously a traitor,

            I'm realist.
            Quote: Алексей_К
            they forgot how in one month only Yugoslavia was defeated by missile and bomb strikes.

            Yes, and I know very well where the NATO forces were located and the correlation of these forces.
            And at that military theater, where everything though, so that Russia fought Russia has no advantages.
            Quote: Алексей_К
            And you feel sick - then you are sick. By the way, you can die from your vomit.

            Arms in hand and forward.
        4. SAN31
          SAN31 7 February 2016 19: 17
          +2
          It will be destroyed by nuclear weapons. No choice. Adversaries do not give us a choice.
      2. andj61
        andj61 7 February 2016 09: 03
        -1
        Quote: Damm
        Grinding the infrastructure of the Turks is quickly possible only with nuclear weapons. But will this not be the beginning of the universal arctic fox? I have such questions, like a person with a military education, on three pages. I think the rest is also not much better, but we are really at risk of being against the Turks Europe, the Saudis in an exhausting conflict. And the winners will be mattresses

        That's right - you can go for a one-time strike-exchange of strikes, but only in the case of a guaranteed speedy settlement of the conflict. And it is unlikely to be. The Turkish fleet, both quantitatively and by and large, is qualitatively superior to ours in this region. A few dozen, even hundreds, of Caliber will not be able to destroy Turkey’s military power or infrastructure. A conflict with Turkey as a member of NATO is very much more likely to develop into a global conflict. But nuclear weapons are not a means of warfare, but a means of deterrence. It is intended, first of all, not to destroy the enemy, but to ensure that the enemy does not think about the possibility of destroying our country. So in a conflict with Turkey it can’t be used. Turkey itself under no circumstances can threaten the existence of Russia - therefore, nuclear weapons - this is not for Turkey.
        1. SAN31
          SAN31 7 February 2016 19: 22
          +2
          Invalid wording of the question. Not only impossible, but it is absolutely necessary, and it’s indicative of how mattress covers did in Japan. An exchange of courtesies, so to speak.
        2. KaPToC
          KaPToC 7 February 2016 20: 13
          +2
          What do you think is the "power" of the Turkish fleet? The "Moscow" has more missiles in a salvo than the Turkish warships. And why should we fight Turkey with the Black Sea Fleet only?
          And why should we be afraid of a big conflict, and not Turks, for example?
      3. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 7 February 2016 13: 12
        0
        Quote: Damm
        Sorry, you are obviously cardboard shoulder straps mixed up with real ones. Literally the chief of the General Staff, no less. To be ready for war, first of all to have a mob reserve, to be able to provide yourself with at least ammunition, and at most with equipment. I will not thicken and tell you about how many units of aircraft we put into operation in peacetime, and in war? And where do you get the pilots in the right amount quickly? The last time in history when paratroopers were used for their intended purpose? Who wants a lightly armed elite to be thrown into a meat grinder against enemy motorized infantry? Grinding the infrastructure of the Turks is quickly possible only with nuclear weapons. But will this not be the beginning of the general Arctic fox. I have three pages of questions like that of a person with a military education. I think the rest is also not doing much better, but we really run the risk of being against the Turks Europe, the Saudis in a debilitating conflict. And the winners will be mattresses

        You are all about paratroopers and pilots, as if the war begins with this. I wrote that in the beginning there will be Rocket bombing and destruction of the entire military structure, missile defense and air defense, destruction of the fleet, destruction of energy facilities, military industry.
        And only when the remaining army and country becomes uncontrollable, the actions of the airborne forces and marines will begin.
        An example of such an operation is the defeat of Yugoslavia. Not a single NATO soldier took a single step for a whole month, only missile and bomb strikes.

        And as for the cardboard shoulder straps and comparing me with the chief of staff - you shouldn’t, insults begin when a person has nothing to answer to an opponent. Believe me, I can also call you, so much so that you "burst" from the anger that overwhelms you. Let's keep within the "framework" of decency.
        I will say briefly about myself - in military affairs with 1967, officer, tanker.
        1. Dam
          Dam 7 February 2016 19: 11
          0
          I did not try to insult anyone. Yugoslavia was destroyed by the Civil War, and missile and bomb strikes were secondary. There was no ground operation at all, the fifth column finished off the country. To destroy the infrastructure from the air, for starters, you need to suppress air defense, for the possibility of a land operation, you need to have a land border, for landings, at least destroy the Turkish fleet. What do you want to do all of this and how long? The idea of ​​destroying military infrastructure from the air did not work even in the Second World War with carpet bombing. Aviation is a formidable force, but without a land operation, war cannot be won. And most importantly, there is no time for this, since immediately after the outbreak of hostilities the whole world will begin to crush us from all sides. That is why I say that without tactical nuclear weapons in any way. We are not ready for this war now, count at least the number of Caliber carriers. Therefore, there are two ways: either try to pump up the Syrians with weapons and wage a hybrid war, or, in response to aggression, reset Turkey with one blow. This will cool many hotheads. The truth is not clear how it will end. And any long direct war is a defeat in the long run. We will weaken ourselves even in case of victory over the Turks, so mattresses will benefit
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    3. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 7 February 2016 11: 47
      +4
      Something about the territory did not understand? What for? We have our own several centuries to master. All airfields, ports, military bases, power plants, tank farms, dams, and other key infrastructure objects can be remotely distilled by them.
      And then who will fight with whom?
      And then we will go to Syria to sunbathe, as to Adler or Abkhazia. When we put in order the BV.
    4. your1970
      your1970 7 February 2016 13: 30
      +2
      And why did you want to occupy Turkey?
      It is enough to strike / destroy as far as possible the most developed types of armed forces of Turkey-Air Force and Navy, and the military industry ....
      and let the infantry sit in Turkey and wait ...
  • Photon
    Photon 7 February 2016 00: 04
    +7
    This is not a national tradition. This is a universal tradition. And this is not a tradition at all. Any striker has the initiative. And any attacker chooses the moment that is most convenient for him and accordingly not convenient for the defending side
  • Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 7 February 2016 10: 43
    0
    Yes, nothing will happen on the part of Turkey, except for the escalation of the anti-Syrian situation planned by the USA. The Pentagon does not intend to immediately lose Turkey as a member of NATO, since Russia is already militarily backward country and has everything to deliver an instant strike on Turkey. The US will not interfere openly in Russian-Turkish fuss, either; otherwise, their entire fleet in the Mediterranean Sea and in the immediate vicinity will be threatened and will have to flee with shame.
  • sergius60
    sergius60 7 February 2016 18: 51
    +1
    I wonder when it was like that?
    1. The first world war. Everyone thought in a quick way everything will work out. The Germans should have run out of gunpowder by the spring of the 15th. You know perfectly well that nitrogen is needed for its production. And reserves of saltpeter were known to intelligence. repeat
    But the pig was planted by the German chemist Karl von Linde. Somewhere in the summer of the 14th, he developed the technology of the cryogenic method of air decomposition, which went into business in the fall without the usual red tape. And who is to blame? request
    2. Second Patriotic War (or is it already the third?) - to butt with all of Europe and sponsors from America ... And the Germans, bitch, Polabian Slavs-Aryans (Rurik is from those parts). Cursed by Catholics. It's like swinging with Klitschko. Are you ashamed to get into a tambourine from him, and then screw him up to death? Bald corn and his henchmen triedndel a lot of things ... "They attacked unexpectedly," and the order for the troops dated June 18?
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 7 February 2016 20: 19
      0
      The enemy thought the same way - to win quickly, this is a mistake not only of our leadership.
  • Sweles
    Sweles 6 February 2016 21: 55
    -1
    Turks are seriously scared.


    what are they afraid of then? Nata stands behind them ...
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 6 February 2016 21: 58
      12
      Quote: Sveles
      what are they afraid of then? Nata stands behind them ..

      At a safe distance, yeah wink

      Sveles, you are the best about what-thread "truly Russian" .. otherwise it is so - somehow uninteresting even laughing
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 6 February 2016 22: 07
        +7
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        At a safe distance, yeah

        ... exactly ... hi ... where is Kamrad, did the cats break your shoulder straps? .. Germany takes out the Patriot from Turkey, the mattress covers are removed from the Injerlik F-15 .. in the second half of 2015, it seems, logically, it should be a turnover ?! .. but, no ... we will see this from afar, well, with advice or moral support, we can ... just not by deed ... laughing
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 6 February 2016 22: 16
          18
          Quote: Inok10
          where is Kamrad, how did the cats cut your epaulettes?

          I shed .. for the winter .. (3 mats on the site - and ALL laughing ) here, slowly growing up :)

          And so - IMHO will not get there NATO. As in Georgia, it didn’t come up .. sort of a local showdown ..

          Although Turkey is not Georgia, definitely .. but the year now is not 2008 ..

          Poor, I'm there nafig not needed, this is a bit annoying .. sad
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 6 February 2016 22: 49
            +3
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            I shed .. for the winter .. (3 mats on the site - and EVERYTHING) here, slowly growing up :)

            And so - IMHO will not get there NATO. As in Georgia, it didn’t come up .. sort of a local showdown ..

            Although Turkey is not Georgia, definitely .. but the year now is not 2008 ..

            Poor, I'm there nafig not needed, this is a bit annoying ..

            ... you’ll grow up, be sure ... I agree now is not the time of 2008 .. but, here it is, time ... hi
          2. sniper
            sniper 6 February 2016 22: 55
            +6
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            here, slowly growing up :)

            I will help than I can, brother! worthless cat freeze ... wassat
          3. cap
            cap 7 February 2016 00: 21
            +1
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            I shed .. for the winter .. (3 mats on the site - and ALL laughing) here, slowly growing up :)


            All cats on a new coat!
            Tea is winter, the war is cold!
            But Pasaran!
            1. Throw
              Throw 7 February 2016 01: 35
              +2
              Good cats help vigorous plus fellow
              But about three mats did not understand. I have more of them, they just banyat me, I get more time laughing
          4. andj61
            andj61 7 February 2016 09: 05
            0
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            I shed .. for the winter .. (3 mats on the site - and EVERYTHING) here, slowly growing up :)

            Plus sign of shedding and +100 - grow faster, Roman! drinks hi
          5. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 7 February 2016 13: 39
            0
            nicho tramp!
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            I shed .. for the winter .. (3 mats on the site - and ALL)

            we will survive this business! I personally do not care what epaulettes would be a good man! (As in a joke about bricks)
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            It’s bad that I don’t need a fig in it, this is .. annoying slightly

            I think that for our age there will be enough work. do not rush, you will always have time ... good
    2. poquello
      poquello 6 February 2016 22: 04
      +1
      Quote: Sveles
      Turks are seriously scared.


      what are they afraid of then? Nata stands behind them ...

      But is not Nata afraid? everything thinks, how many tanks she has on our tanks, here, too, everything counts how many Turks have planes on our 35s
    3. dr.Bo
      dr.Bo 6 February 2016 22: 17
      +9
      I want one thing - LET RUSSIAN DESIRE COMBINED WITH ITS OPPORTUNITY !!
      1. QUIVER
        QUIVER 6 February 2016 23: 06
        +3
        And the possibilities with her desires !!!!
    4. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 6 February 2016 22: 19
      +5
      Quote: Sveles
      Nata stands behind them.

      and picking at the nose, defeated Turkey is also a tidbit for the introduction of a "democratic government". Remember Poland in 1939, there was even a military alliance between England and Poland, and how did it all end? How many French troops did the British carry across the Channel? But the allies are "inseparable", France for a long time believed that England had abandoned them, even before the obvious results of defeat became.
    5. Ihrek
      Ihrek 6 February 2016 22: 21
      14
      And our future lies with us. If we give a little slack, then it will cost us dearly. And at least there is a chance. We must not surrender Syria under any circumstances. I repeat that it will cost us dearly. Yes, there is a danger of developing all this into a terrible thing. But that’s how we will have at least a chance, otherwise we will not just delay it for some time, but it will be anyway, but then we will already be in a much worse position. And those few still existing allies will turn their backs on us.
      1. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 6 February 2016 23: 30
        +7
        Quote: Jamal1974
        We must not surrender Syria under any circumstances.

        what kind of change are we talking about ???
        messages with courage - just quotes for today - starting at 19.47.
        Not confirmed info:
        YPG attack Menigh near Azaz.
        Kurdish and Shiite police gather in the village of Kafeen north of Mayer. Preparing to attack Deir Jamal and Kafr Nai.
        I have not heard about the capture of Kafin.

        20.20.
        YPG demanded that the greens hand over the Minag air base. They refused. Now Minag is hammering from the air. Apparently, then the Kurds will try to attack her.

        20.37.
        In our beloved Karyatein, they also moved and returned what they had lost in recent weeks. They seem to be waiting for reinforcements from the Desert Hawks and Kalamun's Shield. Leith on Twitter broke down and wrote something like "take it at last, as long as possible"
        UPD It is also reported that the Kurds took part of the quarries west of Bayanun

        20.42.
        Greens write that the YPG took Tell Zinkah near Anadan.

        20.48.
        On Twitter, some kind of hell is happening. While the pro-Assad’s are sleeping together, the green tweets will wither and panic one cooler than the other. They also write that Deir Jamal is already under YPG. In general, the level of panic has gone through the last few days, which is good news.

        20.55.
        offensive on azaz soon

        20.31
        Our VKS Tel-Rifat bomb ......... it looks like the barbarians there are heavy losses

        21.41
        the rifat was stormed there by very serious clashes, the women were gritting their teeth, the army men were hammering them, so they say

        21.49
        The battle in Rifat began at about 6 am Moscow time .. fighting is still ongoing, the intensity is now being bombed, the button accordion has already been released, many prisoners have been taken, most of them are foreigners, Tajiks and Asians, Turkmens naturally

        21.52
        go to kafr naya separately, the task is set to take the azaz! according to the fast pace, it will strengthen itself in tel rifat by walking along the highway, fights there are cruel ghouls knowing that there is nowhere to resist fiercely resist, if it came to hand-to-hand fighting, a lot explains

        22.23
        It seems to me that from the ratan (retyana) SAA went east and north to the TR, there are basically three directions, you’ll go to the Mayer to the left;
        1. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 6 February 2016 23: 34
          +1
          Quote: Dryuya2
          what kind of change are we talking about ???

          ZY
          who are interested in the map right at the top of the page
          http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=1360&p=28
      2. Dam
        Dam 7 February 2016 01: 22
        +3
        Duc about surrender and there is no question, if you have not noticed, in this war they do not take prisoners, it is for destruction. Just let’s do without agitation about a little blood and in someone else’s territory.
    6. vovanpain
      vovanpain 6 February 2016 22: 21
      11
      Quote: Sveles
      what are they afraid of then? Nata stands behind them ...

      Well, yes, yes, the same grandmother of NATO Pedrogana and the first kick in the ass, they play a fool in the dark, set us up, and this idiot is glad to try.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 February 2016 22: 47
        +1
        No one plays Erdogan, he has his own game - separate from others.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 6 February 2016 23: 42
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          No one Erdogan does not play, he has his own game - separate from others.

          Vadim, good evening ..

          - no one has "his own separate game".
          - not with me
          - not with you (think before you mind)
          - neither, respectively, in Erdogan (especially)

          The higher the rank of the player, the fewer opportunities for "really playing". This is the alphabetVadim laughing
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 7 February 2016 00: 01
            +1
            ABC of what? Everyone has their own separate hidden game - Erdogan knows what his friends did with the neighboring rulers, so he starts playing according to his own rules, which are different from everyone, now he has everything for this.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 7 February 2016 00: 12
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237
              ABC of what?

              Life don't believe

              Quote: Vadim237
              Everyone has their own separate hidden game.

              I do not argue. Only - "while playing, look around." As on the road, approximately laughing

              Quote: Vadim237
              Erdogan knows what his friends have done with neighboring rulers, so he begins to play by his own rules, which are different from everyone, now he has everything for this.

              Mdya .. and how you - with that way of thinking, have not yet been eaten .. Your business colleagues .. this is luck, probably .. but its supply is limited - I know by myself.

              Best regards hi
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 7 February 2016 00: 25
                +1
                In order to "eat" me from the beginning, you have to "overcome" me - everyone had a bummer with this.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 7 February 2016 00: 48
                  +3
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  To "eat" me from the beginning you have to "overcome" me - with this, everyone had a bummer

                  drinks

                  Respect laughing

                  But:

                  - "to" - written together
                  - "from the beginning" - from the beginning A, in the context
                  - overcome - I would remove the quotes, although the owner, of course, knows better.

                  "Do not rely on your coolness. It's just luck, but it's fleeting" (c)

                  I had friends - no less, believe me, cool. And certainly more literate. They both were killed for some reason ... although there was one — the manager of Lukoil’s bank, somehow.

                  PS: I'm there for "you", call .. I will no longer No.
                  1. Victor Demchenko
                    Victor Demchenko 7 February 2016 13: 46
                    +1
                    so here, in my opinion, 99,99% on "you" and nothing ... the platform is very democratic, it doesn't seem to be on "you" hi
          2. Dam
            Dam 7 February 2016 01: 23
            +1
            This time I agree completely
          3. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 7 February 2016 13: 44
            -1
            I agree! + to you! and ishho: such games, as always, end soooooo much with a big racket, but I would not want to!
    7. Remy_Argo
      Remy_Argo 6 February 2016 22: 59
      +1
      Quote: Sveles
      what are they afraid of then? Nata stands behind them ...

      there is something! Block the blue flow of Turkey and get another round of crisis
    8. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 7 February 2016 00: 03
      +4
      NATO, if it really wanted to, would long ago have attacked Russia. Russia's nuclear baton is in the way. If because of the Asians (Turks) they want to disappear in a thermonuclear nightmare, then they will try to attack Russia. But something I don’t believe in it, that she (NATO) wants it.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 February 2016 00: 48
        0
        NATO simply has a lot of Hotelkins, but the Zdelkins haven’t - because the guys have a small intestine.
    9. Photon
      Photon 7 February 2016 00: 20
      +2
      NATO is obligated to protect its members in case of aggression against them. In the opposite case, those in this case, the Turkish attacks on Syria and the Russian troops in Syria, NATO is not obliged to intercede for Turkey.
  • max702
    max702 6 February 2016 22: 16
    13
    We committed an unprecedented violation of the international Treaty, jeopardizing the further operation of the “open skies” regime and compliance with control measures to prevent dangerous military preparations.
    Usually they go for this when databases are inevitable .. Porridge is brewed. oh brewed up .. Organization of armies, complete set of "cropped" units, two years of service .. Something is planned .. And in the next 500 days ..
    1. SVD
      SVD 6 February 2016 23: 54
      +4
      I agree, porridge is brewing ... I think that as the Turks climb into Syria, Ukraine will begin the most active actions. The director is one.
  • Proxima
    Proxima 6 February 2016 22: 46
    +9
    Quote: veteran66
    On the one hand, I’m glad that Russia is ready, but on the other, God forbid it’s blazing.

    Well, on the third side, the Turks are in deep time trouble. If you believe the article, our VKS BOMB in Syria REGULAR TURKISH TROOPS !!! Although, especially before the incident with the SU-24, they tried not to do this, they bombed mainly fuel trucks and so on. So the Turks are inventing any UNSUFFICIENT nonsense about airspace violation, then 17s, then 20-25s. And there is only one fact that does not require proof - "DRYING" FALLED IN THE TERRITORY OF SYRIA!
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  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 7 February 2016 01: 03
    +2
    Ottoman's insanity put Turkey on the brink of disaster, all its hope to set NATO on Russia. By the way, the American military, unlike some wiseacres, does not consider our equipment as scrap metal, but rather appreciates it. They do not burn with the desire to fight with Russia for the imperial plans of a madman who will soon be thrown off by his own people.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 7 February 2016 01: 08
    +4
    To resolve the issues that arose during the operation of the Aerospace Forces in Syria, one must clearly understand whether Russia is ready to confront the NATO and Turkey bloc without the use of nuclear weapons, as its component, or not at the moment ... or to go to a large-scale military conflict with the use of nuclear weapons, or with the readiness to use it not only against Turkey, but also against other "partners" and colleagues ... but the fact that Turkey will carry out an attack on the Russian air force, or, moreover, an intervention in Syria with the possible destruction of the base Russia, and at the same time, ki in Kiev will rush to attack Donetsk, there is already a very real danger and it is necessary to immediately answer the question of how to beat, again playing "humanitarian offensive operations" will not work, now there is already a real threat to the state and people Russia, living in the adjacent territories with the nats, so the answer is one-beat so that the head turns into the stomach, there is nowhere to retreat ...
  • SSR
    SSR 7 February 2016 04: 06
    0
    Quote: veteran66
    On the one hand, I’m glad that Russia is ready, but on the other, God forbid it’s blazing.

    On the one hand, the readiness is "doubtful" since it is fraught with the use of tactical nuclear weapons (plus a sobering effect for all utyrki like the Saxons), and on the other hand, everything is being done to blaze. All countries, including the United States, who are saying that they will conduct a ground operation in Syria are very cunning. I'm afraid that BV is farmed out with a test of how far everyone is willing to go to confrontation in a conflict of interest. GDP is silent and this infuriates "partners".
  • user
    user 8 February 2016 10: 28
    0
    but on the other - God forbid it burns


    And it doesn’t matter whether a big war or a small one, a military component is not all, our industry is not ready. With all the consequences.
  • takto.onotak
    takto.onotak 8 February 2016 15: 03
    0
    Why only the Russians always think about the consequences, maybe because the West has forgotten the price of blood, more and more strangers are disposing ...
  • izya top
    izya top 6 February 2016 21: 42
    25
    may escalate into direct clashes with Turkey. And that means with other NATO countries.
    I wouldn’t speak for the rest of the nature. I think, I will limit myself to concern
    1. ksv1973
      ksv1973 6 February 2016 21: 49
      0
      Quote: iza top
      may escalate into direct clashes with Turkey. And that means with other NATO countries.
      I wouldn’t speak for the rest of the nature. I think, I will limit myself to concern

      I think that in the light of recent events, Ecuador may also enter into a coalition with Russia. laughing
      Joke...
    2. crambol
      crambol 6 February 2016 21: 55
      +6
      ... limited to concern


      ... so they will crap around anxiously around the corner.
    3. Cat man null
      Cat man null 6 February 2016 22: 02
      +1
      Quote: izya top
      thought to confine itself to concern

      Exactly. If only on the regular bases there by chance that a thread does not fly ..

      Although - as I was told - "accidentally" it will not arrive there ...

      We smile and wave .. smile and wave .. and wait for all this crap to unleash what
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 7 February 2016 13: 55
        0
        Rum, again run into rudeness? our napalniki wrote to me: we’ll ban forever! so better come on in legal, great and powerful native Russian! love
        1. poquello
          poquello 7 February 2016 15: 04
          0
          Quote: Victor Demchenko
          Rum, again run into rudeness? our napalniki wrote to me: we’ll ban forever! so better come on in legal, great and powerful native Russian! love

          the great Russian word is Crap, but where can I see that it is illegal?
          horseradish - a plant, to bash - from the Church Slavonic name of the letter "X" to draw,
          it is clear that with a castrated cat it is more convenient, as well as with the Russian language, only then you can not please him (for the Russian language).
      2. zvereok
        zvereok 7 February 2016 15: 04
        -1
        The triumph of democracy!

        Relatively recently, the Turks spoke at rallies against their president.

        I especially remember this video:



        Man, practically did a somersault. What he has with the cervical vertebrae is not clear.

        Kurds are fighting against the Turks ...

        In general, a democratic, NATO paradise, with the observance of European standards ... Well, almost like in the Baltic states, with processions of fascists and a fourth of the population "not citizens", only with oriental characteristics ...

        Where is the 6 US Navy being asked?

        And as for the fighting. RF, if it is inferior to Turkey in the region, it is the fleet. Therefore, God forbid, there should be hostilities - the fleet should become the first contender for "cutting", preferably at the bases, along with the infrastructure.

        And further, the Russian Federation has the power to announce a no-fly zone in Turkey ...

        Everything will be complicated if NATO fits in ... Then nuclear weapons without options, and this is armageddon.
    4. sgazeev
      sgazeev 6 February 2016 22: 03
      +3
      Quote: iza top
      may escalate into direct clashes with Turkey. And that means with other NATO countries.
      I wouldn’t speak for the rest of the nature. I think, I will limit myself to concern

      "Wordless propaganda" is easier than just another vyser.100500, NATO will not twitch, and even more, in order to avoid provocations, the Turks will demobilize from NATO, it is easier for them to cut the defense budget, all the more to blame Russia for all sins. hi
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 6 February 2016 22: 15
        +2
        Quote: sgazeev
        "Wordless propaganda" is easier than just another vyser.100500, NATO will not twitch, and even more, in order to avoid provocations, the Turks will demobilize from NATO, it is easier for them to cut the defense budget, all the more to blame Russia for all sins.

        ... and there the issue of Turkey’s membership in the EU is immediately removed ... well, I feel that I’ll have to fight for the straits ... hi
  • Dam
    Dam 6 February 2016 21: 43
    33
    A little tired of articles on the topic of how it will be if. There will be nothing good for anyone from a full-scale war. Profit will be gained by overseas puppeteers. The flame of war across the ocean will not cross. And any war, even with a victory over the Turks, is unlikely to make us stronger. It is strange to look at the collective suicide of Turks, Saudis, and Bahraini that they are preparing to commit with such fanfare. But the upcoming war does not bring joy.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 6 February 2016 22: 04
      +2
      Quote: Damm
      The flame of war across the ocean will not cross

      Will get over. And the "puppeteers" know this, that's why the extreme time is so accurate
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 6 February 2016 22: 08
      +6
      Quote: Damm
      It is strange to look at the collective suicide of Turks, Saudis, and Bahraini that they are preparing to commit with such fanfare.


      If we translate the situation into a domestic one, then they made a mistake with the choice of a candidate with the requirement "let me have a smoke" in a dark alley! The answer will be one: "ON"!
    3. strannikmb
      strannikmb 6 February 2016 22: 50
      0
      And how do you (all of us) have such events? Russia is drawn into a war with Turkey, it’s impossible to take a Turk in a week, we are fighting a year, resources, people, resources, people. Nothing lasts forever, and here is a gift from NATO after
      After two years of war, we can’t abandon our partners from the Baltic side, or maybe the Japanese will sign (there is a reason) they will trample and then what? Hat-takers soberly assess opportunities and desires. A GOOD WORLD IS BETTER WELL LITTLE.
      1. poquello
        poquello 6 February 2016 23: 09
        +5
        Quote: strannikmb
        ... you can’t take a Turk in a week, we’re at war for a year ...

        did Klitschko have internships?
        1. strannikmb
          strannikmb 6 February 2016 23: 24
          -4
          So, "you can't take a Turk in a week, we are at war for a year, ..." turn of speech. For you, but SUDDENLY. All only assumptions. Literature was not your subject at school.
          1. poquello
            poquello 6 February 2016 23: 51
            +2
            Quote: strannikmb
            So, "you can't take a Turk in a week, we are at war for a year, ..." turn of speech. For you, but SUDDENLY. All only assumptions. Literature was not your subject at school.

            for sure! Hey you three, both to me!
            and in two weeks?
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null 7 February 2016 00: 01
            0
            Quote: strannikmb
            . Literature is not your subject was at school.

            My. But the Russian Language - IMHO is not yours.

            I would like to be mistaken, but .. there is not enough material wink
          3. GRIGORIY1957
            GRIGORIY1957 8 February 2016 02: 00
            0
            Quote: strannikmb
            So, "you can't take a Turk in a week, we are at war for a year, ..." turn of speech. For you, but SUDDENLY. All only assumptions. Literature was not your subject at school.

            It’s not clear why you came here ... what ...?

            You would be better off at a literary forum or a circle ... hi
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 February 2016 23: 12
        +1
        We will arm the Kurds - these guys will help us.
      3. Cat man null
        Cat man null 6 February 2016 23: 58
        +2
        Quote: strannikmb
        And how do you (all of us) have such events? Russia is drawn into a war with Turkey, it’s impossible to take a Turk in a week, we are fighting a year, resources, people, resources, people. Nothing lasts forever, and here is a gift from NATO after
        After two years of war, we can’t abandon our partners from the Baltic side, or maybe the Japanese will sign (there is a reason) they will trample and then what? Haters soberly assess opportunities and desires. A GOOD WORLD IS BETTER WELL LITTLE

        You would have to tighten your literacy .. or put a spell checker, or something ..

        And so - IMHO - no one will "take the Turk". Because:

        - not needed for nothing
        - he will tear himself apart from the inside. If you help a little - do it quickly and for sure
        - and, PANCAKE !! - "quarrel" - which is even good - worse than a bad world - is written through TWO (2) "SS".

        Well, my eyes hurt .. my apologies request
    4. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 7 February 2016 13: 58
      +2
      Quote: Damm
      The flame of war across the ocean will not cross.

      are you sure? I am not, and most likely if it is blazing, then everyone will not have enough!
      Quote: Damm
      But the upcoming war does not bring joy.

      and here I agree with you on everything 100500, and even more.
      just after literally everything will have to be seriously restored, and this is not gut, as my friends say the Germans.
      1. Kunar
        Kunar 7 February 2016 19: 23
        +1
        Any war does not deliver. But if you have to, food-but run ....
  • ksv1973
    ksv1973 6 February 2016 21: 46
    17
    Four Su-35С is not a panacea for all rubbish, as the authors try to imagine. The most important thing in finding these machines in Syria is their testing in all possible modes.
    1. max702
      max702 6 February 2016 23: 01
      14
      I agree 4 pieces are about nothing .. A full-fledged squadron is at least 12 aircraft, it would be less than .. BUT .. We have to say frankly the trouble with the material part, it’s hard to say true information about the flight crew. That's why I am categorically against any sales of our aviation abroad, money in money, market share there, etc. .. BUT when war on the nose talking about money is not appropriate! What is it that it is POSSIBLE to make money on deliveries of our machines to some left-wing countries, that when it comes to the heap of money we will stop? Well, a golden donkey is good when reinforced by military force, and the enemy has a choice either money or die heroically .. And since the enemy stupidly takes all the money and mocks the corpse, the example of Gaddafi and Hussein should not leave illusions .. I hope that in Syria the military is working according to the darkest scenario, and they understand that they will be seriously crushed if something happens ..
      pc: I wrote more than once and I’ll say again that we have a chance there only in one case, END EVERYTHING QUICKLY! It is advisable to take one and a half hours .. What methods? There is an option but it is for the strong, but it’s somehow difficult ..
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov 6 February 2016 23: 27
        +3
        Max You wrote it right!
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 7 February 2016 14: 04
        0
        Quote: max702
        There is an option but it is for the strong,

        in the sense of strong spirit or something like that, according to other criteria, will we give assessments? and to whom to apply these criteria, please also clarify, otherwise it’s not clear to me, an uneducated person. if it’s to our rulers ... I don’t know, but I doubt very much their strength, even at home they can’t put things in order, much further ... what
  • Michael67
    Michael67 6 February 2016 21: 48
    +2
    The article is not about how it will be. Basically, about what has been done and undertaken on our part, so that if it breaks out, we are ready. Well, and about all of this prerequisites. Of course, they won’t tell you everything. The main thing is that everyone’s nerves are strong. ... which can’t be said about the Turchians.
  • Papapg
    Papapg 6 February 2016 21: 48
    0
    I would like to believe that some politicians still have a mind and a bright head. The present time and the time of the dashing attacks of the bashbuzukov still differ in something, primarily in the consequences.
  • v245721
    v245721 6 February 2016 21: 50
    +3
    how many Turks do not feed drinks anyway, they did not become friends stop .fight the Turks only with nuclear weapons. angry
    1. Michael67
      Michael67 6 February 2016 21: 52
      15
      Yeah ... And with nuclear exhausts, I can dirtied my Crimea with Sevastopol. Uvoltes-ss ... Caliber and other useful supplies. Exclusively.
      1. v245721
        v245721 6 February 2016 22: 22
        +1
        Then checkers on naked and on tanks with bare booty. !!!!!!! Hooray fellow
      2. ksv1973
        ksv1973 6 February 2016 22: 23
        +4
        Quote: Michael67
        Gauges and other useful supplies. Exclusively.

        Throw in the territory of Turkey with chopped pork. Let someone later say that Russia plunged Turkey into chaos and famine ...
      3. GRIGORIY1957
        GRIGORIY1957 8 February 2016 02: 14
        0
        Quote: Michael67
        Yeah ... And with nuclear exhausts, I can dirtied my Crimea with Sevastopol. Uvoltes-ss ... Caliber and other useful supplies. Exclusively.

        And you want to win the war and not get your hands dirty ... what ...?
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 6 February 2016 22: 07
      +2
      Quote: v245721
      fight with the Turks only with nuclear weapons

      ... with the prospect of waking up ALL systems (woldwide) of a nuclear attack warning ..

      Can you imagine the consequences of this? I here - yes .. God forbid this No.
      1. v245721
        v245721 6 February 2016 22: 20
        0
        that in Semipalatinsk have been with. ??????
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 6 February 2016 22: 38
          0
          Quote: v245721
          in Semipalatinsk

          There specifically - no. But is it necessary? wink
    3. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 6 February 2016 22: 27
      0
      "Unicorns" by Shuvalovs with their kernels? or to charge the "Coalition" with their smooth barrel?
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 February 2016 22: 57
      0
      Ours will not use nuclear weapons until they have been used against us.
  • Masya masya
    Masya masya 6 February 2016 21: 57
    +5
    "Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Dmitry Rogozin said that he does not advise" to compete "with Su-35S fighters in Syria."
    I do not scare you, but I warn you ...
  • cosmos132
    cosmos132 6 February 2016 21: 57
    -9
    Quote: Michael67
    so that if it burns, we are ready.

    Ready for what? Protect whom?
    1. Michael67
      Michael67 6 February 2016 22: 02
      13
      Quote: cosmos132
      Quote: Michael67
      so that if it burns, we are ready.

      Ready for what? Protect whom?

      To the defense of our (RF) contingent at the Khmeimim air base (ATS) and other bases where our (RF) military and civilian specialists are present. And protect them themselves (of the above). What is not clear?
    2. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 7 February 2016 14: 08
      0
      Quote: cosmos132
      Ready for what? Protect whom?

      yourself! and there is no need here to shaggy grandmother with liberal nonsense about the "bad" world. A bad world is bad precisely because it is a priori bad and provokes the enemy (let's call a spade a spade) to translate such a world into a good war!
  • Vita vko
    Vita vko 6 February 2016 21: 57
    +5
    All this smacks of hatred, blazes - it will not seem enough. I am glad that the General Staff of the Russian Federation has finally ceased to believe the illusions of coalitions and the joint fight against terrorism.
    1. poquello
      poquello 6 February 2016 22: 12
      +5
      Quote: Vita VKO
      All this smacks of hatred, blazes - it will not seem enough. I am glad that the General Staff of the Russian Federation has finally ceased to believe the illusions of coalitions and the joint fight against terrorism.

      The doorbell rings, the owner opens, there is a neighbor with a notebook and pen:
      -You will participate in group sex?
      -And who will be?
      -You, your wife and me.
      -No, I will not.
      -Then I cross out you.
      http://live4fun.ru/joke/142211
    2. shans2
      shans2 7 February 2016 03: 23
      +2
      He never believed it was up to the politicians ....
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 6 February 2016 21: 58
    +6
    It’s not even a matter of what Erdogan wants, but how the US Department of State decides, a big war in Europe is very necessary — to solve their geopolitical and economic issues by outsiders and at the expense of the warring countries.
  • Sultan Babai
    Sultan Babai 6 February 2016 21: 59
    21
    If you bomb Turkey - bomb NATO! I think there are no narrow-minded people in our leadership (I hope). But to hit the Turks if they poke into the territory of Syria and threaten the Russian servicemen, then yes. The Turks will not be on their territory (they are aggressors), but as far as I know, the position in the NATO charter protects against aggression, here I am citing the source link, as a lawyer I try to refer to them, and not to "one grandmother said": "The contracting parties agree with that an armed attack on one or more of them in Europe or North America will be regarded as an attack on them as a whole, and therefore agree that, should such an armed attack take place, each of them, in order the exercise of the right to individual or collective self-defense, recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the affected Contracting Party, or Contracting Parties subjected to such an attack, by immediately taking such individual or joint action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force in order to restore and then maintain safety North Atlantic region.

    Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result of it are immediately reported to the Security Council. Such measures will cease when the Security Council takes the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

    ARTICLE 6-1

    For the purposes of Article 5, it is considered that an armed attack on one or more Contracting Parties includes an armed attack:

    - into the territory of any of the Contracting Parties in Europe or North America, the Algerian departments of France 2, the territory of Turkey or the islands located in the North Atlantic zone north of the Tropic of Cancer and under the jurisdiction of any of the Contracting Parties;

    - on the armed forces, ships or aircraft of any of the Contracting Parties, if these armed forces, ships or aircraft were in these territories, or above them, or in another region of Europe, or above them, if on them or in it at the time this Treaty entered into force, the occupying forces of any of the Contracting Parties were stationed either in the Mediterranean Sea or above it, or in the North Atlantic Zone north of the Tropic of Cancer, or above it. "

    There is no article in the NATO charter that protected a NATO member outside of NATO territory. This means that if the Turks poke their heads, you can repaint the SU-35 in the Syrian flags and give the Turk addicts a shot of tomatoes. I'm kidding, of course, about the SU-35, but I think we can point the Syrian MiG-29s at the Turkish F-16s. The Turks know that we know about their Charter, and while they are not poking around with us in Latakia, they are acting secretly. I myself am from a Turkish-speaking group (Volga Tatar), but I hate these "rulers" of Asia Minor (I hate not ordinary people, but these cunning rulers)
    1. simbirzit
      simbirzit 6 February 2016 22: 54
      +5
      Russia refused to continue negotiations with the US on nuclear arms reduction

      ruposters.ru - Deputy Foreign Minister of Russia Sergei Ryabkov said that Moscow is not going to continue negotiations with Washington on the reduction of nuclear weapons ,,,, this is not just a whim ....
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 6 February 2016 23: 08
      +1
      Quote: Sultan Babai
      If you bomb Turkey, bomb NATO! I think foolish people do not sit in our guide (I hope). But to beat the Turks, if they poke into the territory of Syria and will threaten the Russian military, then yes. Turks will not be on their territory (they are aggressors)

      Before you write such an extensive koment, you at least read the article. It clearly states that our VKS BOMB REGULAR TURKISH PARTS IN THE TERRITORY OF SYRIA.
      1. SVD
        SVD 7 February 2016 00: 07
        +2
        It is thought there not the Turkish army, but reconnaissance in battle by separate detachments. If the Turks climb seriously, there will be a different scenario.
      2. SVD
        SVD 7 February 2016 00: 07
        0
        It is thought there not the Turkish army, but reconnaissance in battle by separate detachments. If the Turks climb seriously, there will be a different scenario.
      3. Sultan Babai
        Sultan Babai 8 February 2016 00: 52
        0
        The fact that our Aerospace Forces are bombing the Turks in Syria, I know without you. Who carries weapons and ammunition to the militants, who carries oil, who are these mysterious "Turkomans" if not their military. They shot down the Su-24 out of anger and powerlessness, because they wanted to avenge their own ...
    3. dali
      dali 7 February 2016 00: 14
      +2
      Quote: Sultan Babay
      Himself from the Turkish-speaking group (Volga Tatar)

      Or maybe from a Turkic-speaking ... all the same, there is a difference ...
      Because the Turkic-speaking group of peoples is not at all small and equate themselves with the Turks ...
      Here is an interesting article:
      http://a-forester.livejournal.com/124389.html
    4. V.ic
      V.ic 7 February 2016 10: 45
      -1
      Quote: Sultan Babay
      There is no article in the NATO charter that protects a member of NATO outside NATO territory.

      No? So they will introduce it retroactively. Remember the situation about non-payment of Russia's "indebted" debt.
  • GSVG 86-88
    GSVG 86-88 6 February 2016 22: 00
    +6
    The mattresses of the Turks poison, it’s not a question, but besides Erdogan, are there still healthy and real leaders in Turkey?
    1. Artem shlykov
      Artem shlykov 6 February 2016 22: 07
      +9
      All sound ones are already dampened. Not for nothing that Erdogan cut the entire color of the country's generals.
      1. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 6 February 2016 23: 57
        +1
        Quote: Artem Shlykov
        All sound ones are already dampened. Not for nothing that Erdogan cut the entire color of the country's generals.

        I didn’t cut it in the literal sense - it means that "resentment" (anger) has lurked in the military - it is necessary to negotiate with them slowly.
        and then there’s a whole day of messages coming from Diyarbakır - I think the PKK will not be in debt what
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 6 February 2016 22: 01
    +2
    It seems that the Turks will barely try to show obvious aggression against the Russian air group, as attacks will be inflicted on the planes flying on their side, and on those vehicles that have not yet managed to get up from the air bases. In this case the entire existence of Turkish aviation is unlikely to last more than an hour
    Well, this is if the Turks do not disperse their aviation, but put it in full dress at five airbases. I think they are not completely finished. I’m more worried about the straits that the Turks can immediately slam and that the theater of operations is torn from their homeland and the base is vulnerable close to borders, where, as I understand it, the Turks, the Turks concentrated considerable forces and means.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 February 2016 22: 50
      +2
      The Turks also have operational tactical missiles.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 6 February 2016 22: 10
    15
    Whoever wrote this article seriously thinks that one Fort and one 400th complex can deprive Turkey of all combat aircraft? Well, let you shoot down 10 F-16s .. but what will you shoot down the remaining 230 with what? Again, songs about the CD from the Caspian Sea .. - let them fly 46 .. for example. For each, two F 16s, the Turks can hang .. again, they need flight time)) "Varyag" will not have time to make a second salvo - several Turkish submarines will drown it, which are constantly rubbing nearby .. It slightly reminds me of silly scenarios of conflict with China .. -all hurray-patriots think for a minute: we lost 20 million in 4 years of a terrible war. So that's it. At the moment, even if you kill a million Chinese per DAY, you will have to fight with them for more than two years .. Anyone who thinks that 4 planes can solve anything in a military conflict at the present time are very stupid people (this is like faith Hitler in the wunderwaffle at the end of the war) .. Although .. 4 planes can probably still solve the problem .. 4 strategists with a full ammunition load of products with the necessary markings are quite capable of putting an end to this situation.
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 6 February 2016 22: 33
      +3
      Quote: Dikson
      4 strategists with full ammunition of products with the necessary marking are quite capable of putting an end to this situation.

      Probably only this stops both the Turks and NATO!
    2. alone
      alone 6 February 2016 22: 37
      +5
      Quote: Dikson
      Whoever wrote this article seriously thinks that one Fort and one 400th complex can deprive Turkey of all combat aircraft? Well, let you shoot down 10 F-16s .. but what will you shoot down the remaining 230 with what? Again, songs about the CD from the Caspian Sea .. - let them fly 46 .. for example. For each, two F 16s, the Turks can hang .. again, they need flight time)) "Varyag" will not have time to make a second salvo - several Turkish submarines will drown it, which are constantly rubbing nearby .. It slightly reminds me of silly scenarios of conflict with China .. -all hurray-patriots think for a minute: we lost 20 million in 4 years of a terrible war. So that's it. At the moment, even if you kill a million Chinese per DAY, it will take more than two years to fight them ..

      I agree. Sometimes they write and say such nonsense. For example, they completely exclude a sudden rocket and artillery attack on a base that can destroy all this on the runway. Turkey has MLRS systems and rocket launchers that, in principle, can do this.

      Quote: Dikson
      Although .. maybe after all 4 planes can solve the problem .. 4 strategists with full ammunition of products with the necessary marking are quite capable of putting an end to this situation.


      4 strategists with full ammunition will spread the whole world)))) We will have to put a point to the whole world. Do we need it?
      1. Michael67
        Michael67 6 February 2016 22: 52
        +5
        Yes, it is clear that the squadron is unlikely to solve the problem, and strategists in one flight can bring all opponents to the state of trembling creatures. This we have gone far somehow. I have doubts that the Turchlandians will be on the rampage. Even if they climb, they will lose ten F in a short period of time and demand negotiations. Nobody will allow escalation. There will be screams, tantrums, drooling, accusations. But not the full scale. It would be nice to apply the old principle of upbringing: "One ... zdulina replaces two hours of educational work."
        1. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 7 February 2016 14: 19
          0
          Quote: Michael67
          It would be nice to apply the old principle of upbringing: "One ..dulina replaces two hours of educational work."

          and this is like in our study! a very good method, even stubborn Asians very quickly studied the charter of the Armed Forces, and well understood what was required of them ...
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 February 2016 23: 08
      +2
      Yes, we have as many ships carrying Caliber, there are as many landing ships, the Turks have multiple launch rocket systems and tactical missile systems - our base in Syria will not last 30 minutes in case of an open collision.
    4. Izotovp
      Izotovp 6 February 2016 23: 08
      +5
      4 aircraft cannot. Another 4 newest is different. The Varangian also does not go alone and has self-defense against submarines, and the Turkish submarines themselves also do not remain unattended. And in the 4 years of the war, we lost 28 million total. Purely combat losses of the order of 7,5, which is comparable to the losses of the Nazi coalition.
      These 4 aircraft primarily ensure the safety of our aviation and allow Syrian aviation to work in areas where our presence is undesirable or limited, for example, near the Turkish border.
    5. Achilles
      Achilles 7 February 2016 00: 10
      +3
      You're wrong, two S-400 missiles have 32 missiles, the fort has at least 16 missiles and 48 missiles, which means the S-400 can shoot down 48 planes (they cannot launch 230 planes right away), then it takes time to reload, for this requires a fighter (SU-27, SU-30, Su35) and Shell-C1 that will give time for reloading, and our ships are on duty in the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea (also submarines) and long-range bombers with X101 missiles will immediately fly , in the event of a turmoil, they will launch calibers and X-101, which will destroy airfields, this is how all their aircraft will be destroyed, if it can’t help, they can launch medium-range nuclear missiles at their military bases and airfields, then they’re
      1. owl
        owl 7 February 2016 00: 22
        0
        Quote: Achilles
        You're wrong
        laughing

        Quote: Achilles
        two S-400 units have 32 missiles,

        In the division 8 launchers(4 missiles each) = 32
        1. Achilles
          Achilles 7 February 2016 00: 27
          +1
          1 Regiment C-400 = 2 Brigade C-400

          1 crew C-400 = 1 ZRS C-400 = 8-12 transport-launchers + other rubbish

          1 Transport Launcher =
          or 4 “native” long-range missiles (up to 400 km)
          or 4 missiles from the C-300 complex (200-250 km)
          or 16 missiles (4 container for 4 missiles each) with a range of 120 km.

          Maximum target speed, km / s 4,8 [7]
          Detection Range, km 600
          The boundaries of the cover zone in range, km
          maximum
          minimum

          400 [8]
          2 [9]
          The boundaries of the cover zone in height from aerodynamic targets (2015, km)
          maximum
          minimum

          27 [7] (with any missiles) / 30 [10] to 56 (2015, potentially up to 185) [11] [12] km (40N6) [13]
          0,005 (9M96) /0,010 (any missiles)
          The boundaries of the cover zone in range from all available ballistic missiles, km
          maximum
          minimum

          60
          5 [14]
          At the same time, targets fired at a maximum of 80 [9] [15] [16] [17] [not in the source] (until 2012 - 36) [18]
          Missile-guided targets maximum 160 [9] [10] [19] [20]
          Readiness for battle when receiving a command while on the move, for 5 minutes [18] [21] (in 2010 - 10-15)
          Availability, 0,6 minutes from standby / deployed on terrain 3 [22]
          Continuous work hours 10
          Service life, years
          Components
          Rockets

          20 minimum
          15
          1. Achilles
            Achilles 7 February 2016 00: 37
            0
            Of course, for good, you need to keep at least 10 S-400, 10-15 SU-35 brigades there (one SU-35 can shoot down 8 targets)
            1. Astra55
              Astra55 7 February 2016 00: 44
              +2
              Of course, for good, you need to keep at least 10 S-400, 10-15 SU-35 brigades there (one SU-35 can shoot down 8 targets)

              laughing
              This is not a computer shooter.
              Wikipedia alone is not enough.
              And 48 missiles will not hit 48 aircraft, but one Su-35 will have 8 targets.
              1. Achilles
                Achilles 7 February 2016 09: 28
                +1
                We must not forget that there is also an electronic warfare system,"Mercury" for example, for many kilometers it protects against a missile attack and all missiles itself are destroyed on approach to the target,"Vitebsk" deflects rockets"Lever arm" for example, it disables the enemy’s communications and navigation for several hundred kilometers, which means missiles will not be able to hit the target, Rubella 2 which blinds and stuns the enemy for thousands of square kilometers, in short covers the group of troops, "Khibina" provides protection of the aircraft from anti-aircraft and aviation weapons. If all this is applied, then our base will be well protected
                1. Achilles
                  Achilles 7 February 2016 09: 45
                  0
                  We must not forget that there is also an electronic warfare system,"Mercury" for example, for many kilometers it protects against a missile attack and all missiles itself are destroyed on approach to the target,"Vitebsk" deflects rockets"Lever arm" for example, it disables the enemy’s communications and navigation for several hundred kilometers, which means missiles will not be able to hit the target, Rubella 2 which blinds and stuns the enemy for thousands of square kilometers, in short covers the group of troops, "Khibina" provides protection of the aircraft from anti-aircraft and aviation weapons. If all this is applied, then our base will be well protected
          2. owl
            owl 7 February 2016 00: 53
            -2
            Well, what did you dump me here ??, having the courage to say so, that the S-400s in Syria are equipped with a missile .... why should I think of you?
          3. simbirzit
            simbirzit 7 February 2016 22: 00
            0
            Or maybe a glass of iyadu ....
          4. simbirzit
            simbirzit 7 February 2016 22: 00
            0
            Or maybe a glass of iyadu ....
        2. svp67
          svp67 7 February 2016 04: 56
          0
          Quote: gufo
          In the division there are 8 launchers (4 missiles each) = 32

          For the Turkey-Syria border section, this is enough, especially since the fleet will cover part of the section with its air defense systems.
          Yes, and do not forget that the air defense system is created in layers and the S-400 is only part of this system
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 February 2016 00: 28
        +3
        In general, according to the standard, two missiles are used for a single target.
      3. red_october
        red_october 7 February 2016 01: 33
        0
        RK "Varyag" is armed with 8 S-300F "Fort" air defense systems, 8 missiles each, for a total of 64 missiles. True, their range is much shorter than that of their land brothers, only about 100 km.
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 7 February 2016 15: 36
          0
          And what, Syrian air defense completely written off?
      4. Outsmarted
        Outsmarted 7 February 2016 06: 13
        +2
        1. They will fire two missiles at maneuverable or priority targets.
        2. Fort on Varyag has 64 missiles, but the range is only 90 km, which is only enough to cover the air base and ships.
        3. Part of the S-400 will be spent on destroying the same short-range missiles of the Yelderém type 1 and 2.
        4. The only runway to Khmeimim is likely to be disabled after the shelling of the MLRS and the fighter’s duty will have to land either in Iran or return to their homeland.
    6. red_october
      red_october 7 February 2016 01: 26
      0
      Yes, and "calibers" come with the right warheads repeat
    7. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 7 February 2016 14: 16
      0
      Quote: Dikson
      .. Although .. maybe after all 4 planes can solve the problem .. 4 strategists with full ammunition of products with the necessary marking are quite capable of putting an end to this situation.

      interestingly, the cat crap, everything will bend and tremble ... listen, how do you imagine the development of events at the VD theater, if God forbid ...? and why the same Nata constantly squeals about "the presence of strategic bombers of the Russian Federation near the US borders (England , Canada, etc.)?
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 February 2016 22: 18
    0
    Of course, the Su 35 squadrons would have been more impressive, but the airfield is not rubber. The 35s, as far as I understand, with their radars and long-range Air-to-Air missiles, can slam a lot of targets at once from afar. And do not forget that the C 400 can hit targets on the EARTH!
    So, while the "Calibers" are flying (and with all their speed, the ice time is hours, and you also need to go to the launch area), there will be something to iron the airfields, with the ice time within 10-15 minutes.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 February 2016 22: 54
      +1
      Turkey has already "tested" us when Sushka knocked down - it will try again.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 7 February 2016 00: 21
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        Turkey has already "tested" us when Drying knocked down - will try again

        She was ordered to "try". Since they do not try to "try" anymore, it means that the reaction ... did not please.

        Which is normal.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 February 2016 00: 43
          -2
          Or maybe our planes in the border areas have stopped flying.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 7 February 2016 00: 47
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            Or maybe our planes in the border areas stopped flying

            Do you see it yourself, or did someone tell you this?

            And SU35 was simply transferred there for beauty, right?
  • Astra55
    Astra55 6 February 2016 22: 18
    +5
    At first, the Turks warned us that they would start shooting down our planes.
    We said - "They won't dare!" And laughed at them.
    And they dared. The plane was shot down, the pilot was killed, the helicopter was burned, the soldier was shot dead.
    Russia swallowed it all, wiped it off and limited itself to Tomatoes.
    Now we say that we have ONE S-400 division and as many as FOUR Su-35 aircraft, and the Turks will not dare, and if anything, the S-400 division and the Su-35 unit will defeat the entire Turkish aviation. sad
    They are not afraid of threats. They cannot be intimidated either by the entire nuclear potential of the Russian Federation, or even less so by four aircraft.
    And there are two ways out. Or a full-fledged war with the Turks (at the same time, you still need to convince NATO not to intervene, but it will be expensive). Or you need to bring down edrogan, and as quickly as possible.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 7 February 2016 00: 25
      -2
      Quote: Astra55
      They are not afraid of threats.

      Yah..

      Quote: Astra55
      The plane was shot down, the pilot was killed, the helicopter was burned, the soldier was shot ... Russia swallowed it all, wiped it and limited itself to Tomatoes

      And resorts .. and not only .. but politicians - they consider money, Turkish politicians - in particular. And while they are very much at a loss ..

      Quote: Astra55
      Or a full-fledged war with the Turks

      Here nafig it is not necessary ..

      Quote: Astra55
      at the same time, we still need to convince NATO not to intervene, and it will be expensive

      It will not cost a spear, everything is clear to everyone there already

      Quote: Astra55
      Or it’s necessary to bring down edrogan, and as quickly as possible

      His own and fill up. How in Ukraine Yanukovych laughing
      1. Astra55
        Astra55 7 February 2016 00: 56
        +1
        - Do you always measure human lives in money?
        - Is everything clear there? This is an excuse for kindergarten.
        Or do you think that in the West, fools rule countries and miss the extra opportunity to milk Russia?
        - To bring down, it means to bring down. But how - Kurds, Licharlioswalds, Maidan or all at once, this is a technical issue.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 7 February 2016 01: 04
          -5
          Quote: Astra55
          Do you always measure human lives in money?

          There was talk about politikoff, finally ..

          I personally - not all and not always. The life of my parents and my child is priceless for me, for example ..
          Come here, read something .. for starters:

          http://www.e-reading.club/chapter.php/94514/38/Levi_-_Iskusstvo_byt'_soboii

          .html


          Quote: Astra55
          Is everything clear there? This is an excuse for kindergarten

          Read the NATO Charter. Carefully delve into. Next - write something.

          The aggressor country, even if it was a member of at least three times, nobody signed up to defend there. And even more so in such a dumb situation.

          Quote: Astra55
          .

          You are slurred. If you want answers, ask questions. As structured as you can.

          My minus, earned, call ..
          1. Astra55
            Astra55 7 February 2016 01: 29
            +1
            Who will read the charter if there is an opportunity to bite Russia?
            Maybe they also recognize the referendum in Crimea?
            If the Syrian-Turkish border incident with our participation begins, then the order to press Russia will fly to all the capitals of the world. And the aggressor country will not be Turkey, but guess who at one time.
            And I just don’t need to ask you questions. You still will not answer them. Though structured, ask them, at least not.
            Your ambitions do not match your capabilities. And life experience is not great yet.
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              1. Astra55
                Astra55 7 February 2016 01: 48
                -3
                Eco you, my friend, bombed. Is the fart safe? Not ripped apart.
                Take it easy. Drink some water. You can’t take everything so close to your heart. It's just the internet.
                He pressed a button and you don’t see the hated Astra55.
                Take care of yourself.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 7 February 2016 01: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Astra55
                  He pressed a button and you don’t see the hated Astra55

                  Ek, you love yourself wink

                  But nevermind to you, not a button yes

                  And try not to be rude to strangers. Even on a site in the internet. It is fraught sideways, do not believe ..

                  PS: To go and drink tea .. with a cigarette .. mmm .. favorite dish laughing
                  ZZY: Tea, incidentally - Indian, with an elephant, in a small pack .. the guys here on the DR brought a plastic bag - tired of disassembling - "with an elephant", "without an elephant", "Georgian # 36" .. damn, I already forgot, when I saw such last time belay
                  1. Astra55
                    Astra55 7 February 2016 02: 11
                    -3
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    And try not to be rude to strangers.

                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Well, jerk off alone.

                    But in fact, teach your wife to cook cabbage soup, a keyboard fighter.
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 7 February 2016 02: 25
                      +1
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null 7 February 2016 01: 43
            0
            Guys, to me your minuses are absolutely plane-parallel. It would be better if they said a thread or something .. request
          3. zvereok
            zvereok 7 February 2016 15: 47
            -2
            Charters, international law - all this is nonsense, and it works as long as there is a balance of power. If there is no balance, then the right of the strong works.

            The West already sensed blood when Putin put cancer in economic ways.
    2. owl
      owl 7 February 2016 01: 22
      0
      Quote: Astra55
      and limited to Tomatoes

      Do not worry, we will easily replace them with Kazakhstani tomatoes as we replaced European shrimp with Belarusian smile
      http://vk.com/away.php?to=http%3A%2F%2Ftass.ru%2Fmezhdunarodnaya-panorama%2F2644
      940 & post = -19334776_1818885
    3. Generalissimo
      Generalissimo 7 February 2016 04: 33
      +1
      There have been warnings in the last three days. All Russian Air Force do not consist of only four aircraft, and it is not far. Have you ever dealt with Turks at a resort? It was necessary the day before yesterday.
    4. zvereok
      zvereok 7 February 2016 15: 42
      0
      "NATO does not interfere, and it will be expensive)"

      Already bought up ... Except as a contribution, privatization of the best state. I cannot name companies at current prices.

      Here it seems that the axiom is triggered that if the leadership comes not tied with mutual responsibility, old sins will pop up and resolve their own. So, it’s better to sell everything to buy time before the election.
  • alone
    alone 6 February 2016 22: 22
    +1
    They wrote some article, the authors expressed their opinion. But this opinion should not mean that it is. Do you think Russia needs a war with Turkey? Or do you think Turkey is eager to fight with Russia?
    Quite recently there was a kipish about the statement of the commander of the ground forces of Sweden. A delusional statement, I will not argue. Half of the forum was preparing here the second battle of Poltava. But not one person even thought: How will the ground forces of Sweden attack Russia? There is no common border. The Finns will let the Norwegians, or the Balts pass? Which of these states is profitable, knowing that the response will come to this particular country? Someone writes what he pleases, but here a la "couch strategists" are already on their feet The Bosphorus is going to be washed.

    P.S. Ask yourself the question: Who needs this? Most of all about the future war is spoken here. If the war with Turkey would be an easy walk, they would have started it long ago. The same applies to Russia. You would have been attacked for a long time, if that were possible. It’s just that patriotic feelings are being whipped up .

    P.S.S. A couple of days ago in the State Duma they started talking about canceling elections during the sanctions. You already want to deprive the latter of what you have. The right to choose a leader. Maybe you should discuss this?
    1. poquello
      poquello 6 February 2016 22: 42
      0
      Quote: lonely
      .
      P.S.S. A couple of days ago in the State Duma they started talking about canceling elections during the sanctions. You already want to deprive the latter of what you have. The right to choose a leader. Maybe you should discuss this?

      there are enough clowns in the State Duma, but explain what NOT THE LAST I was deprived of.
    2. ultra
      ultra 6 February 2016 22: 46
      +3
      Quote: lonely
      Do you think Turkey is eager to fight Russia?

      Judging by their (Turks) actions, apparently they are burning.
      1. Artem shlykov
        Artem shlykov 6 February 2016 22: 50
        +3
        Rather, at the show-off they want to leave. Get up in the cockpit in the tradition of the East.
    3. MMX
      MMX 7 February 2016 18: 18
      +1
      P.S.S. A couple of days ago in the State Duma they started talking about canceling elections during the sanctions. You already want to deprive the latter of what you have. The right to choose a leader. Maybe you should discuss this?


      That's just this stuffing is not worth discussing. There has never been such a discussion in the Duma. Do you want to throw a fan? Why do you need this?
  • Masya masya
    Masya masya 6 February 2016 22: 26
    +4
    "Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan expressed dissatisfaction with the fact that the authorities of Western countries are supplying weapons to the Kurds. According to Erdogan, the West supplies weapons, including to the banned Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) in Turkey and the Syrian Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PDU) . "

    Original news RT in Russian:
    https://russian.rt.com/article/146816
    Sherkhan distances himself from his tobacco ...
    1. Artem shlykov
      Artem shlykov 6 February 2016 22: 34
      +2
      Now Erdogan is also beginning to understand about "double standards" and about "stab in the back".
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 6 February 2016 22: 41
    +3
    Quote: Sveles
    what are they afraid of then? Nata stands behind them ...

    It is foolish to count on NATO, which is not ready to turn into nuclear dust, because our military doctrine clearly states that the Russian Federation can use nuclear weapons in the event of an attack on it. So no need to yell - NATO will help Turkey! The SGA is trying to turn the Syrian conflict, unleashed by their allegedly uncontrollable bandits, into a regional one with the participation of all their Arab "crap" and, first of all, Turkey. But he is not going to die for them at all - there will be no profits!
    wassat tongue am
  • Andrew87
    Andrew87 6 February 2016 22: 44
    -22 qualifying.
    Of course, Turkey can be understood, Russian pilots with a bomb load and poor navigation can drop bombs by mistake into Turkish territories.
    1. Artem shlykov
      Artem shlykov 6 February 2016 22: 55
      0
      The Russians are not mistaken in bombing. This is the lot of countries with vile nature and, accordingly, politics.
      1. poquello
        poquello 6 February 2016 23: 13
        +1
        Quote: Artem Shlykov
        The Russians are not mistaken in bombing. This is the lot of countries with vile nature and, accordingly, politics.

        proven by practice!
    2. Artem shlykov
      Artem shlykov 6 February 2016 23: 16
      +2
      Ukrainian anti-aircraft defense in a pack of Belomor launched missiles when they shot down a civilian airliner over the sea?
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 February 2016 23: 17
      0
      The photo is only left.
    4. Artem shlykov
      Artem shlykov 6 February 2016 23: 19
      0
      Do not feed the troll Andrew87 answers.
    5. APASUS
      APASUS 6 February 2016 23: 55
      +2
      Forgot to indicate that Russian pilots Garmin GPSMAP 64st are tied with a rubber band from cowards to the binding of an airplane laughing laughing laughingJudging by the date of July 7, 2015
    6. Karlos
      Karlos 7 February 2016 00: 22
      +3
      You tell it to the Armenians how the Turks with good navigation flew several times in the territory of Armenia
  • Denimax
    Denimax 6 February 2016 22: 46
    0
    A new Russian-Turkish war is brewing? Then take out all Turkish military bases with gauges. There will be a little war of attrition. And NATO will observe and wipe the snot.)
    1. Artem shlykov
      Artem shlykov 6 February 2016 22: 57
      +1
      To carry out Turkish airbases with "Caliber" ??? This is called a "little" war ???
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 6 February 2016 23: 42
        +2
        To carry out Turkish airbases with "Caliber" ??? This is called a "little" war ???

        Yes. This is called a little war. In a couple of hours, use cruise missiles to "carry out" a couple of Turkish military bases, and then ask Erdogan: "Well, the desire to fight has not yet disappeared, no? bully ".
        Of course, for such a war, a very serious reason is needed, such that, according to the letter of international law, the law is on our side. For example, another attack on our plane in the Syrian sky, or interception of our air convoy in the left airspace. hi
        1. Generalissimo
          Generalissimo 7 February 2016 04: 16
          0
          One and there could be processed for such an attack and subsequent behavior.
          What international law does the US and the Turks constantly climb everywhere?
    2. Pirogov
      Pirogov 6 February 2016 23: 45
      -1
      You endure ?, and what will you do at this time?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 February 2016 00: 31
        -1
        In principle, I can go to this war as a volunteer - for this, everything is at hand.
  • waitknait
    waitknait 6 February 2016 22: 48
    0
    You better tell me gentlemen, what will change if Trump is in the USA or God bless Bernie Sanders.
    Will Turkey wander to the last? And to be honest, I do not believe in the power of 4 fighters.
    This is another matter ...
    1. poquello
      poquello 6 February 2016 23: 17
      0
      Quote: waitknait
      You better tell me gentlemen, what will change if Trump is in the USA or God bless Bernie Sanders.
      Will Turkey wander to the last? And to be honest, I do not believe in the power of 4 fighters.
      This is another matter ...

      fighters provide high-altitude scanning, and the rest work in PM and Syrian air defense, something all-wearers forgot about it
  • strannikmb
    strannikmb 6 February 2016 22: 51
    -2
    I repeat.

    And how do you (all of us) have such events? Russia is drawn into a war with Turkey, it’s impossible to take a Turk in a week, we are fighting a year, resources, people, resources, people. Nothing lasts forever, and here is a gift from NATO after
    After two years of war, we can’t abandon our partners from the Baltic side, or maybe the Japanese will sign (there is a reason) they will trample and then what? Hat-takers soberly assess opportunities and desires. A GOOD WORLD IS BETTER WELL LITTLE.
    1. Artem shlykov
      Artem shlykov 6 February 2016 23: 24
      +5
      It is noticeable - as in Germany, refugees are thinning out the locals. Bear patience, this is your destiny! Russians have a different path both in life and in conscience.
    2. Michael67
      Michael67 6 February 2016 23: 30
      +2
      Here is the work of our diplomatic corps. In my opinion, they don’t sleep for months. We only reason among ourselves. For some, if anything, press buttons on the remote controls. But nothing essentially depends on us. Their job is to prevent a full-scale war.
  • 71rus
    71rus 6 February 2016 22: 54
    -1
    ... in this case, the existence of all Turkish aviation is unlikely to last more than an hour. Everything is prepared for such an outcome. There are forces and means for this.

    The guarantee of the destruction of 100% of the Turkish Air Force. More to such articles! Want peace - parabellum.
  • acetophenon
    acetophenon 6 February 2016 22: 58
    +1
    Quote: veteran66
    On the one hand, I’m glad that Russia is ready, but on the other, God forbid it’s blazing.

    Dust, do not even doubt it! Always - gave, why not give something now? He seems to have fun when people splashing red!
  • pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 6 February 2016 22: 59
    +3
    Russia behaves like a “frivolous state” that relies on “senseless propaganda, unjustified accusations and deceit,” said Ibrahim Kalin, spokesman for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. In this way, he reacted to unsuccessful attempts to contact Russian President Vladimir Putin, Rambler News Service reports on Saturday, February 6.
    After such statements, it is necessary to deal with the Turks clearly, specifically in terms of concepts.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 6 February 2016 23: 15
      +1
      Quote: Pilot bin-bom
      In this way, he reacted to unsuccessful attempts to contact Russian President Vladimir Putin.

      This may mean that Putin’s phone is busy ..

      Quote: Pilot bin-bom
      says Ibrahim Kalin, spokesman for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan

      Well, all he has to do is "count" ..
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 February 2016 23: 24
      0
      It was necessary, as Sushka was shot down, to strike at the Turkish airbase - these would immediately learn everything and everyone else with them that our relationship "to business" is more than serious.
      1. huntsman650
        huntsman650 7 February 2016 00: 46
        +3
        And tens of thousands of our tourists would return in bags without heads
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 February 2016 09: 51
          -2
          All the tourists would simply be dispatched and everything and sever diplomatic relations.
          1. red_october
            red_october 8 February 2016 18: 01
            -1
            There are at least a hundred thousand mixed Russian-Turkish families, Russian-speaking wives, children go to Turkish schools ...
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  • In..
    In.. 6 February 2016 23: 00
    +1
    It seems, after all, we are drawn into a war game ..
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 6 February 2016 23: 12
      +3
      Quote: In ..
      It seems, after all, we are drawn into a war game ..

      Let's just say - while there is an undisguised desire to do this. With Ukraine, by the way - it was the same .. it didn’t work, right?

      We smile and wave .. personally, I’m right now - I don’t understand how worthy to get out of it .. but it would be very necessary, and it’s worthy.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 February 2016 23: 35
      0
      They will drag us in, we Kurds and Iran will tighten, in the process together with the troops of Syria and Iraq we will crush ISIS, and then everything in Turkey will collapse, oil will fly up to 200 bucks, and maybe we will also seize the straits, Erdogan will bang with his friends - we must and the pros to look for in worst-case scenarios.
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 7 February 2016 15: 58
        0
        In some ways, this imperceptibly resembles the strategy of Gazprom - "Europe will not buy gas, we will sell it to the Chinese."
    3. Michael67
      Michael67 6 February 2016 23: 57
      +1
      Tipun to you ... But the regulations on the materiel will not hurt to spend one more time.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 6 February 2016 23: 05
    15
    If there are still military pilots on the site, tell me - is it really necessary for a territory such as Syria with a modern level of armament to take one thousand sorties to level off even 20 thousand foot soldiers ??! This is some kind of divorce of the whole world in fact .. ISIS, oil .. - everyone knows everything and plays by someone imposed by the rules .. Is oil getting cheaper due to ISIS? - Take to the Benin mother all the wells that the militants pump oil from. Why cheerfully report on the burned fuel trucks?! How much does one sortie cost? Not a single fuel truck costs so much .. Burn the wells - the fuel trucks will disappear. Gouge the oil infrastructure, in the end, Assad called us there, which means that our Gazprom and Rosneft, our engineers and shift workers will get the contracts for the restoration of these wells .. What's the problem ?! Without money, this Wahhabi riffraff will simply run away .. At the same time, the Saudis will think about something bouncing off of their wells too .. And immediately the oil will rise in price ..))
    1. akims
      akims 7 February 2016 00: 00
      -2
      You know, blowing up wells is really easy. But to extinguish them and then restore the business is not easy and very expensive. For extinguishing a well in Kuwait in 1990, $ 1 million was given in cash — dollars that were not current. Plus enormous damage to the environment, and possibly not fixable!
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 7 February 2016 00: 21
        +3
        Of course, the damage from the burning well is big, I don’t argue .. However, in the Iran-Iraq War, the Persian Gulf was burning like a carnival of fireworks, and nothing, look, everything was repaired, they sell oil at the price of fresh fresh vydzha ..)) Assad has been fighting for 4 years. What do you think, how many millions of dollars are the destroyed infrastructure of Syria, cities, factories, roads, people who died ?? I think it’s much more expensive than a few pipes sticking out of the ground and water ...
  • atamankko
    atamankko 6 February 2016 23: 10
    -1
    Turks behave arrogantly hoping for NATO help,
    but in NATO not all fools are, there are those who think, but few.
  • hunt
    hunt 6 February 2016 23: 10
    0
    Quote: Inok10
    Quote: vovanpain
    So Muallem reacted to the statement of Bahrain, which, after Saudi Arabia, announced its readiness to send troops to Syria as part of a ground operation to combat the ISIS terrorist group (the Arabic name Daesh is banned in Russia). “Any military intervention without the consent of the government of the Syrian Arab Republic will be perceived as aggression. In this connection, the interventionists will have to be sent home in coffins, ”the minister said.

    ... State of Bahrain ... 15x48 km. ... all ... laughing

    So the cemetery is ready.
  • gg.na
    gg.na 6 February 2016 23: 14
    0
    The aspirations of our sworn pancakes of friends from behind a puddle are very clear! They need a war game in the regions of Bl.Vostok and they are not averse to brewing in Europe as well ......, But why not ?! The way it is. Raising people on a storm but brewing porridge with war and all this with the wrong hands. For what? Yes, to solve their ambitious plans to address both geopolitics and economics! Well, also to bring democracy !!! am
  • Vinchi
    Vinchi 6 February 2016 23: 14
    +1
    In Ukraine, there was also aviation .. yes everything came out. hi
    1. Artem shlykov
      Artem shlykov 6 February 2016 23: 31
      +1
      Well, in Ukraine the situation was a little different, there the planes stupidly sawed metal, that they didn’t saw it - they rotted.
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    3. akims
      akims 7 February 2016 00: 05
      -3
      You, dear, are mistaken. Aviation flies, although most Mi-24s are down. It’s just that they don’t send it to the ATO now. There were enough brains to understand that the DNI and LC have very good air defense.
      1. dali
        dali 7 February 2016 00: 38
        0
        Quote: akims
        You, dear, are mistaken. Aviation flies, although most Mi-24s are down.

        Is flying? belay Where? When? How many? belay
        Where did the firewood come from, so to speak?

        Sources in the studio!
  • Naum
    Naum 6 February 2016 23: 20
    0
    Quote: User
    (although they have no sheep).

    I strongly disagree. They, all these "sprotlandia", are essentially sheep with an overseas "shepherd", a lop-eared African-American boy. As the curtain ends, he needs a "little victorious" and he seems to have lost his fear ... The Turks are gradually being pushed into a conflict with the Russian Federation, and then we will see. "The main thing is to start a fight" ...
  • Gor-1974
    Gor-1974 6 February 2016 23: 29
    +4
    If a war begins with Turkey, then everyone who hates Russia, and the overwhelming majority of them, will be on her side, so it seems to me that if this had not turned into a protracted fuss, it would be better to deliver a nuclear strike immediately on the enemy’s territory, which if the whole world shuddered, so that all the henchmen would immediately lose their desire, not to move, to move a finger ambiguously. That would make all the bigwigs of the world think, but they need it.
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 6 February 2016 23: 29
    +4
    Quote: Damm
    And any war, even with a victory over the Turks, is unlikely to make us stronger.

    This is something new! Russia, proceeding from its own interests, decided to help Syria in the fight against the terrorist international created by the West and monarchies, which also threatens Russia, and its one decisive intervention with its air forces has already made the West and the whole world treat it with great attention and respect. , and the victories that the Syrian army began to win over the trained sponsors of the gangs of thugs in Syria with the help of Russia led the West to the realization of its serious underestimation of the strength of Russia and makes it necessary to look for ways to negotiate with it! It is clear that Russia is not going to attack Turkey, but if the Turkish Armed Forces attack our Aerospace Forces in Syria, thereby committing an act of aggression against the sovereign state of Syria and against Russia, Russia will be forced to respond to this, and so that henceforth " "! And this cannot but testify to the undoubted growth of Russia's power!
  • strannikmb
    strannikmb 6 February 2016 23: 32
    -4
    Tree sticks!! Russia is being drawn into a war with Turkey to weaken Russia. And then, after a year or two of war (as I wrote above not to take a Turk for a week), help (from Turkey) from NATO associates from another direction (for example, the Baltic) and. .... two or even three (and suddenly Japan also wants to) the front ..... There will be no hat for all.
    ps About caps this is for couch patriots.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 6 February 2016 23: 55
      +4
      You are right, but not quite, in such a situation, giving back death is similar. Therefore, if you start with the Turks, then it is so tough and fast that all o.uel!
    2. Artem shlykov
      Artem shlykov 6 February 2016 23: 57
      0
      Nts, why did you get that week to take the NK Turk? And for two? There are so many refugees rushed into the European fold, although these refugees are potential military defenders of their countries. Where is the guarantee that Turkish citizens will not run en masse?
  • Demon_blood
    Demon_blood 6 February 2016 23: 35
    0
    There can be three options for a war - only against the Kurds, - immediately a direct clash with the Russian Federation, - on the rise,
    (1) in the first case, the Turks invade and occupy, only the Kurdish areas in the north, after which they may go to the capital of the Caliphate Raqqa. There will be almost no contact between the Russian and Turkish military.
    (2) in the second, the entire Russian group will be fired by artillery, and after 12 hours, units of Turkish special forces will be stationed at the Khmeimim base.
    (3) the Turks will bomb and attack first only the leading edge of the Syrian troops, the advance to the base will be up to a week or two. Then either Russia gets involved in the war or leaves.
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      1. Artem shlykov
        Artem shlykov 6 February 2016 23: 52
        +2
        Can you immediately hand the keys to Moscow to the European Parliament?
  • Deniz
    Deniz 6 February 2016 23: 40
    +2
    Quote: Gor-1974
    If a war begins with Turkey, then everyone who hates Russia, and the overwhelming majority of them, will be on her side, so it seems to me that if this had not turned into a protracted fuss, it would be better to deliver a nuclear strike immediately on the enemy’s territory, which if the whole world shuddered, so that all the henchmen would immediately lose their desire, not to move, to move a finger ambiguously. That would make all the bigwigs of the world think, but they need it.

    Well it will be so. TNW or Xiao, it doesn’t matter. We will not be able to do anything with conventional weapons, either quantitatively or even less qualitatively. The presence of nuclear weapons has still stopped them.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 February 2016 00: 20
      -1
      But Turkey is not afraid of our nuclear weapons because it is convinced that we will not use this weapon against them - and they will be right - our leadership is not yet complete diginirates, which would then snatch off multi-billion dollar lawsuits from the European Union every day, if there is radioactive fallout, after nuclear strikes on Turkey will occur in Europe, and maybe even on our territory, and many other problems that will have a great impact on our economy.
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 7 February 2016 20: 23
        +2
        Nobody will pay any claims.
  • SNEK VIPER
    SNEK VIPER 6 February 2016 23: 42
    +1
    Turks or not Turks, but, unfortunately, with and without them, but now there are some Yankobrittosudodolbo.by who can provoke and start a war. Concerns and delusions of masochists-natogeyropovtsev to saturate the continent with the maximum concentration of weapons around Russia are also causing concern. Sooner or later, such actions can also lead to an uncontrolled explosive military situation.
  • _umka_
    _umka_ 6 February 2016 23: 44
    +4
    I hate the Turks.
  • liza1999
    liza1999 7 February 2016 00: 03
    +4
    Turkey to hell, which could lose without an open war. The attitude of Russians and Russian travel agencies is well known to everyone: there are no fools to go there and send people there. I am writing from Estonia who do not know. The day before yesterday we were at a travel agency, I wanted to send my daughter and wife from Estonian slush for at least a short time. Turkey, of course, was not considered by us, but asked out of curiosity if anyone had any interest. They said something similar: there are no fools. Not a single one in recent years, although it is now the time for booking permits for supposedly benefits. It was traditionally so. Many there (in Turkey) were always Germans, British and other Swedes. Well, if Russian-semi-Russian people don’t want to go there, then what can we say about these s ... they just love themselves and don’t like it when they get killed by anyone. The tourist industry is kobzdets there. Tactical nuclear weapons can wait until the end of the season (October). And so little will not seem.
    1. clidon
      clidon 7 February 2016 00: 27
      -1
      The attitude of Russians and Russian travel agencies is well known to everyone: there are no fools to go there and send people there. I am writing from Estonia who do not know.

      Just those wishing we have more than enough, the actual ban simply applies.
      If Egypt (do you have a lot of applicants there?) Is just looking forward to, then about Turkey, which is a cut above the level of service, and there is no need to speak. But the situation is such that everyone understands - "this is, alas, for a long time."
      1. liza1999
        liza1999 7 February 2016 00: 37
        +3
        I repeat, but there are really no people here, although there are no prohibitions. We took vouchers to Crete, but more expensive than last year, by 40 percent. NATO "brothers in arms" "help out" each other.
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      3. liza1999
        liza1999 7 February 2016 00: 49
        +2
        Egypt has the same story, but it seems that Turkey is still more afraid.
        1. clidon
          clidon 7 February 2016 09: 39
          +2
          Of course, after the attacks (especially against the Germans) and refugees, the Turks will have a failure with tourists. At the end of the year, it will be clear how serious. However, there will be problems for all neighbors - the Egyptians, Algerians and Tunisia.
  • ondels
    ondels 7 February 2016 00: 27
    +5
    Slaveykov. Tsar and Russia. 1877
    .
    Like Russia, not to be found
    In a world of two such empires;
    Russia shines for us from high
    And we believe in it alone!
    .

    The poem was written in March 1877, in connection with the declaration of the Russo-Turkish war.

    http://www.stihi.ru/2014/01/26/5282
    http://www.slovo.bg/showwork.php3?AuID=277&WorkID=10606&Level=3
  • SlavaP
    SlavaP 7 February 2016 00: 50
    0
    A direct military clash with Turkey must be avoided at all costs - after all, this is what the Americans are counting on. But Russia is not ready for this yet.
    1. Artem shlykov
      Artem shlykov 7 February 2016 01: 09
      +2
      By the way, Turkey also does not burn with desire and does not shine with readiness.
      1. SlavaP
        SlavaP 7 February 2016 19: 52
        -1
        You are right, but it is more like a Turkish army than a political leadership. If only Russia would find informal channels of communication with the Turkish General Staff ....
    2. GRIGORIY1957
      GRIGORIY1957 8 February 2016 03: 46
      +1
      Quote: SlavaP
      Direct military clash with Turkey must be avoided at all costs - After all, this is precisely what the Americans are counting on. But Russia is not ready for this yet.

      Here at the expense of ANY PRICE is not necessary ...

      Better sooner than later, so MUCH IN RUSSIA THIS PRICE CAN AFTER ...
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 7 February 2016 00: 54
    +3
    Quote: Michael67
    Yeah ... And with nuclear exhausts, I can dirtied my Crimea with Sevastopol. Uvoltes-ss ... Caliber and other useful supplies. Exclusively.


    And when North Korea is experiencing something .. then everyone on the site fights in ecstasy .. "what good fellows Koreans .. and let them grapple with the amerikosy there! And we here in Russia will sit and cheer like Spartak! And then what in this case? all Primorye ogrebet so .. for it is banned here on VO!
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 7 February 2016 01: 10
    +3
    Article plus. But I think that if it starts,
    they’ll climb on all sides. Turkey, CA, Bahrain, Jordan ... b @@, where are we going to bury them?
    And the option described by the author is possible if we are in full Turkish aircraft.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 7 February 2016 03: 37
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      .And the option described by the author is possible in the event that we are free Turkish aircraft.


      This one, or what?
      That is, the participation of the Russian Federation in the military conflict in Syria could develop into direct clashes with Turkey. And that means with other NATO countries.


      There is only one option: if Turkey gets into Syria, the RF Armed Forces are simply obliged to "heap" Erdogan's tomatoes on it, and none of the NATO countries will get into the mess, there is no need to ask grandmother. And the Turkish plane will definitely get in the way as soon as the opportunity presents itself ... soldier

      Quote: SlavaP
      A direct military clash with Turkey must be avoided at all costs - after all, this is what the Americans are counting on. But Russia is not ready for this yet.


      It is necessary to avoid military clashes, but if it is impossible to avoid them, one must respond immediately. What are the RF Armed Forces ready for? The Supreme Commander of the RF Armed Forces:
  • hobot
    hobot 7 February 2016 03: 58
    +2
    if war were needed, then a downed plane would be enough for a start,
    will be decided at the diplomatic level + active work of the SVR, GRU, etc.
    Turkey can be sobered up by arming the maximum of northern Syrian Kurds, promising autonomy with expanded powers.
    We do not need the third world, Amers - too - will play on this.
    Everything will be fine - we will win and Ukrainians from the frustration of all Bandera will pass.
  • Platonich
    Platonich 7 February 2016 05: 48
    +1
    "The Turks are seriously scared." Don't underestimate them! These are not underdeveloped dill. This is a well-trained and armed army, especially America is behind them. And in no case should we get into confrontation. With our current economy, a full-scale war will last for a month, at most two and a kirdyk!
    1. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 7 February 2016 12: 18
      0
      We still have several annual budgets in the pockets of the oligarchs and the thief of budget ponapihano. For several years, it’s easy enough.
      In Syria, the question of principle is either we or us. So @ bazza no need to be afraid,% bazza must be loved!
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 7 February 2016 06: 20
    +1
    Judging by the data of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Russian planes try not to bomb objects near the border with Turkey, if possible.
    Keywords here - try and whenever possible winked laughing
  • aviapit123
    aviapit123 7 February 2016 07: 22
    +1
    Quote: APASUS
    This will probably be the biggest victory of the United States. The more countries we split up, the more Americans will receive orders for armaments and fewer countries will have to pay debts. And of course, they will restore and put their puppets


    and bucks can print endlessly and a lot a lot