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Turkish Air Force announces highest alert level

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The Turkish command transferred the units of the Air Force to a special mode of service because of the "orange" level of alarm, reports TASS message of the Anatolian Agency.




"According to military sources, the level of alarm on the air bases under the command of the Air Force has been changed to orange," the agency said. No other details are given.

The newspaper Milliyet, in turn, noted that “in this way news about increasing Turkish vigilance aviation was semi-officially delivered to the whole world. ”

According to the newspaper, in Turkey "there are three main levels of alarm:" white "(low probability of attack)," yellow "(there is a probability of attack) and" red "(high probability of collision or war)."

However, “for the Air Force, an“ orange ”level is also being introduced, which, formally, means that a collision can occur at any moment, and that the forces need to be ready for defense and attack,” the newspaper writes.

Recall, on Saturday, the Turkish Foreign Ministry issued a special statement, which reported on the violation of the air border by a Russian plane. “Yesterday (29 January 2016 of the year) belonging to the Russian Aerospace Force alone Su-34 violated Turkish airspace. Before the violation, Turkish radar stations repeatedly warned Russian aircraft in Russian and in English, ”the report said.

The ministry also noted that in connection with this "the Russian ambassador was invited to the ministry, and he was strongly opposed and condemned."

Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov has denied the message of Turkish diplomats. “There were no violations of the Turkish airspace by the aircraft of the Russian air group in the Syrian Arab Republic. Statements by the Turkish side about the alleged violation of the airspace by the Su-34 Russian airspace - unfounded propaganda ", - he said.
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  1. deputy ___ watered
    deputy ___ watered 31 January 2016 13: 35 New
    125
    Cheap move! The main thing is to attract attention, and there the bibisi will sound that the Russians bombed Istanbul!)
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 31 January 2016 13: 38 New
      91
      I don’t know who is dumber than Erdogan or Poroshenko request

      Well, no matter what, our c400 is in constant combat readiness ...
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 31 January 2016 13: 39 New
        102
        Turks constantly violate air. space of Greece, for example! I wish I could come to an agreement with the Greeks and slam at least one Turk-fly! Although, of course, they won’t go for it!
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 31 January 2016 13: 44 New
          76
          I think you need to shoot down ... They just do not calm down! We shot down our attack aircraft .. Russia expressed concern ... Putin make up his mind, otherwise they will start to shoot down ours on the territory of Russia! We will stand under arms, if that!
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 31 January 2016 13: 54 New
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            Quote: MIKHAN
            Shot our attack aircraft

            actually a bomber
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 31 January 2016 15: 06 New
              60
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              actually a bomber

              And we have only "Mihanam" ... (all the same)!
              1. bulvas
                bulvas 31 January 2016 15: 14 New
                74
                Turks are about to enter Syria,

                At the same time, we’ll hook ours too, to raise the stench and to connect NATO

                Probably, the Qatari with the Saudis did not agree with Putin, they paid Edorgan to arrange a provocation.


                If so, a powerful answer is needed so that at once all desire to provoke is lost

                1. remy
                  remy 31 January 2016 15: 50 New
                  -33 qualifying.
                  I hope we have enough will not to use nuclear weapons against Turkey
                  although you really want to, if that ...
                  1. -Traveller-
                    -Traveller- 31 January 2016 16: 34 New
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                    Quote: remy
                    I hope we have enough will not to use nuclear weapons against Turkey
                    although you really want to, if that ...

                    how is it with your head, remy, since you want a nuclear war?
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 31 January 2016 16: 52 New
                      17
                      The knot was tied up concrete, but Erdogan is very nervous and unpredictable, will break firewood and question the existence of Turkey as a state.
                      1. Scraptor
                        Scraptor 31 January 2016 17: 26 New
                        20
                        He is a degenerate and possessed psycho like Hitler, which by the way looks like ...
                      2. saturn.mmm
                        saturn.mmm 31 January 2016 23: 32 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Scraptor
                        He is a degenerate and possessed psycho

                        There are some similarities.
                        Armenians are our people, although some of them sometimes behave like strangers.
                      3. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 1 February 2016 00: 49 New
                        +4
                        Scraptor
                        He is a degenerate and possessed psycho, like Hitler, whom he looks like by the way ...
                        It is these politicians who are chosen and put into power by US intelligence. Do not think that they are not controlled - they are very much controlled by US intelligence.

                        For example, A. Hitler was led into power by the American intelligence agent Ernst Hanfstaengl from November 20 of November 1922. Interesting is the circumstance that led to their acquaintance.
                        About a year before Hitler set up a beer coup (in Munich on 9 on November 1923 of the year), several curious personalities appeared on his horizon. And with them, and money, the origin of which historians can not determine. Financial streams to the Fuhrer flowed from many sides. In addition to French and English (Swiss) funds (...) and American money. All in the same 1922 year, when the search for new political figures began in Germany (...): for the change of objectionable politicians (...) no one was going to lead Hitler’s power. Almost nothing further was heard of him further than Munich.
                        Therefore, the US military attaché in Germany, Captain Truman-Smith, first met with other people: with former General Ludendorff (...) and Crown Prince Ruprecht. They told the American about the new rising star. On November 20 on November 1922, the captain met with the Führer (...) taking advantage of a rare occasion when an American intelligence officer came to him himself, Hitler offered himself as a "sword of civilization" in the fight (...) with Russia.
                        (...) Returning to Berlin, Captain Truman-Smith drew up a detailed report, which was sent by the embassy to Washington on November 25 of November 1922. (...) on the same day, a new contact agent from American intelligence was assigned to the future Fuhrer. The Nazi leader gave a pass to his next rally to the American, but Captain Truman-Smith didn’t go there himself, but sent his "friend". His name is Ernst Franz Zidgwick Hanfstaengl. The son of a successful art dealer, a German and a US citizen, he was born in Bavaria, and then graduated from Harvard University in 1909. (...) his lawyer was "turned out" by the Secretary of State of American President Theodore Roosevelt.
                        Old people. N. Who made Hitler attack Stalin. - SPb .: Peter, 2015. - 6368 sec. - S. 77.
                    2. amirbek
                      amirbek 1 February 2016 07: 32 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Scraptor
                      He is a degenerate and possessed psycho like Hitler, which by the way looks like ...
                  2. Vova Vartanov
                    Vova Vartanov 1 February 2016 10: 42 New
                    0
                    The position of the Anatolian Turks is in no way connected with the personality of Erdogan (,, neutrality, in favor of Hitler, the Caribbean crisis, Cyprus ...). Turks are Turks!
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                3. Scraptor
                  Scraptor 31 January 2016 17: 15 New
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                  As for, for example, Armenia, they have long been warned about the use of WMD against them if they attack it ...
                  Let the USA then, if they want to start a nuclear war, it will be their choice, just as it was necessary to choose allies for themselves.
                  If NATO fits into the Turks with conventional weapons, then at least the Baltic Limitrophs will disappear right away.

                  The president recently said that there is a terrible nuclear weapon.
                  In addition, no one on the Russian side indicated that the incident with the shooting down of the Su-24 in Syria was exhausted.
                  And even without regard to it, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Turkey already has too many questions ...
                  1. Seal
                    Seal 31 January 2016 19: 33 New
                    +5
                    As for, for example, Armenia, they have long been warned about the use of WMD against them if they attack it ...

                    Is it possible to refer to exactly who warned when warned, how warned?
                  2. Scraptor
                    Scraptor 31 January 2016 22: 02 New
                    0
                    You can search in Google yourself, and not ask others about it.
                  3. Scraptor
                    Scraptor 1 February 2016 01: 14 New
                    0
                    especially for you should store these links in your favorites? laughing
            2. ferdiperdozzz
              ferdiperdozzz 1 February 2016 00: 55 New
              -2
              Not really after Hiroshima, a nuclear war began.
              IMHO it is necessary to give the commune once in the brain, so that there is no longer a desire to show off.
              1. Scraptor
                Scraptor 1 February 2016 01: 25 New
                0
                If it’s not the USSR, bacteriological research would begin - Detachment 731.
          2. remy
            remy 31 January 2016 18: 54 New
            +4
            again some cons? where are the arguments? Do you have enough radioactive fallout?
            our people do not like the truth!
            here on the site only marshals do not care to your minuses
            clearly written Enough will not apply!
            deer !!!
            1. Manul
              Manul 31 January 2016 19: 10 New
              +6
              Quote: remy
              again some cons? where are the arguments? Do you have enough radioactive fallout?
              our people do not like the truth!
              here on the site only marshals do not care to your minuses
              clearly written Enough will not apply!
              deer !!!

              The point is not that someone is in favor of a nuclear strike against Turkey or against the world. It's just that your "thought" was so banal that it was even inconvenient to comment on it.
              And we should work on respect for the interlocutors. Deserved minus.
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              3. mark1386
                mark1386 31 January 2016 21: 43 New
                0
                here apparently different and so ugly too
              4. Scraptor
                Scraptor 31 January 2016 22: 09 New
                0
                They do not like such questions ... wassat
              5. Fidel
                Fidel 31 January 2016 23: 08 New
                +3
                A perfectly possible scenario. (Not about deb_ls and pluses laughing ) This is highly advisable even out of sheer savings. Than to drive squadrons, fleets and tank columns, lose people and resources, strain the economy - just 2-3 tactical charges to critical centers and that’s it! Cheap, furious and effective. And silence is around, but in people there is good thinking))
              6. Scraptor
                Scraptor 31 January 2016 23: 25 New
                0
                There is still a point in the fact that the southern group of forces in Syria without nuclear weapons may not fight back ... while Turkey is being slaughtered by everything that is non-nuclear from the North. smile
          3. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 31 January 2016 23: 44 New
            -4
            Quote: Manul
            It's not that someone is behind a nuclear strike on Turkey.

            A nuclear strike on Turkey is simply necessary, after which no one will dare to shoot down the Russian Su-24 wherever they are.
            A dream will come true, the strait will be ours, maybe it will already be not a strait.
          4. Scraptor
            Scraptor 31 January 2016 23: 58 New
            +1
            Yes, he was in general in Syria, and before nuclear weapons they really can soon be interrogated ... the Turks are quite greyhounds and crazy, and "made in Turkish" is common noun. Greyhounds should be immediately (as soon as possible) put (or laid down) in place, as the whole history of relations with these people actually leaned on foreign lands only in the 15th century, and immediately began to participate in the slave trade and remake other people's churches in their ...
          5. Scraptor
            Scraptor 1 February 2016 00: 06 New
            0
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            maybe it will already be not a strait.

            You think how fukushima Will Guadeloupe wash off?
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 31 January 2016 23: 40 New
        -1
        Quote: remy
        here on the site only marshals do not care to your minuses

        Not true, some marshals are worried.
    2. remy
      remy 31 January 2016 20: 22 New
      -1
      already so many minuses
      I have the impression that there are some inhuman people sitting here!
      children, women, old people - are you ready to send everyone to the furnace?
      Turkey has no nuclear weapons!
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 31 January 2016 22: 11 New
        +5
        TNWs are used for troops and military facilities in the first place.
      2. sergeant1986
        sergeant1986 31 January 2016 22: 57 New
        +1
        There are US nuclear bombs there.
        1. Fidel
          Fidel 1 February 2016 11: 57 New
          -1
          Here the keyword BOMBS. They still need to UNDERSTAND))
          And this is unlikely soldier
      3. Fidel
        Fidel 31 January 2016 23: 26 New
        +2
        Don’t be so hot, Colonel. With regard to nuclear weapons, this is just one of the most striking examples of many cliches hammered into the minds. It's like a swastika. He said - "swastika" and "Hitler", "Nazi", "bad", "ayayay" immediately jumps out of the die store. Not everyone succeeds in THINKING and REALIZING. So it is with nuclear weapons. Immediately the guard. Those. if you take and stab a thousand people with a knife - it's okay. But if you cover a thousand with a warhead, then this is vandalism, horror, horror and nightmare!
        So do not boil, Colonel. I understand you))
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 1 February 2016 01: 29 New
          +1
          especially if there are no extra 1000 knives (and they climb on you) and the threshold for using nuclear weapons is much lower when it is used in the open sea (by ship or island base) in a sparsely populated area or in the mountains, when everything is covered only in the bends of the valleys where there are epicenters ...
          But if it is a hot desert, it’s still too big problems with dust
      4. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 31 January 2016 23: 59 New
        0
        Quote: remy
        Turkey has no nuclear weapons!

        It is very good.
      5. Sid.74
        Sid.74 1 February 2016 00: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: remy
        already so many minuses
        I have the impression that there are some inhuman people sitting here!
        children, women, old people - are you ready to send everyone to the furnace?
        Turkey has no nuclear weapons!

        Calm down, nobody is going to bomb Turkey with nuclear weapons ... we are not Americans. And there is a nuance, the whole NATO bloc will have to be declared a war. Yes, Ankara, and not us, is the instigator of terror in the region. And frankly unceremonious policy towards the Kurds in Turkey, Syria and Iraq are not at all in favor of Turkey. Ankara is now itself a blacksmith of his misfortune. Erdogan suddenly decided that he had grasped God by the beard, and could cause any lawlessness. But it was not there.
        For Russia needs peace in Syria. The United States is an appealing vassal.
        And the EU is stopping the endless stream of refugees.

        And Russia has a number of means without nuclear weapons to complicate the life of Turkey under Erdogan. S-400, for example, the removal of gas discounts for Turkish consumers, food and tourist blockade. The bombing of the fascist "gray wolves" of Erdogan in Syria and illegal oil traffic from IS ...

        And if you look at the last statements of the Turks, it turns out that many rulers realized that soon the Arab spring could come to them ... with all the consequences. And they desperately want to meet with our leadership. They only apologize for Drying desperately not for they had spoken with three boxes, and at home evil fighters were waiting for them, whom they sheltered, and whom our aviation tolerates well.
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 1 February 2016 01: 19 New
          0
          Well, Turkey would try to behave this way with the Americans ...
    3. mark1386
      mark1386 31 January 2016 21: 41 New
      0
      I also hope that is enough
    4. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 31 January 2016 23: 27 New
      -2
      Quote: remy
      I hope we have enough will not to use nuclear weapons against Turkey
      although you really want to, if that ...

      That's right, we need to check the combat effectiveness of the "Voevoda".
    5. aksakal
      aksakal 31 January 2016 23: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: remy
      I hope we have enough will not to use nuclear weapons against Turkey
      although you really want to, if that ...
      - All receipts of the newest weapons go to the Southern Military District, the SU-35S unit has been transferred to Syria, the A-50U is flying there almost on an ongoing basis. Why would Russia use nuclear weapons? What the Russians have around Turkey is above the roof. The fact that Turkey has 500 thousand soldiers does not mean anything with Turkey's almost complete absence of at least some effective air defense and with a slop fleet of aircraft, the most modern of which are the F-16 modernization of the early 90s. This means that the Turks have no superiority in the sky, which will almost 100% lead to defeat on the ground. And why in these conditions nuclear weapons? I do not understand. NATO will not support Turkey, they need Turkey as a victim, thanks to which it will be possible to successfully present Russia as an aggressive monster. This will be a successful information attack, thanks to which Europe can be forced to fork out 5% of GDP for defense. By the way, I am beginning to suspect why the Geyropians, or rather their elite, accept and tolerate migrants at home. Are they preparing a mobilization reserve ("cannon fodder") for a war with Russia? They will be pummeled without work, leaving their only job - serving in the army. True, the Arab warriors are so-so.
      All the same, the West will not calm down. After all, I got it in the teeth 70 years ago, all is not enough.
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 1 February 2016 01: 21 New
        +1
        they need migrants for "multiculturalism," in short - to put white people down on everything ...
  2. Sid.74
    Sid.74 31 January 2016 15: 56 New
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    Quote: bulvas
    Turks are just going to enter Syria

    That non-ee ....No. This is the reason for the neurotic behavior of the Turks.
    XA NUMX Guards Brigade CAA is actively moving along the border with Turkey, freeing villages from militants and cutting off supply routes from Turkey

    And here's another ... repeat
    Russian Defense Ministry: the newest Su-35 fighters have been deployed to Syria

    And further....
    Jihadist civil strife in the west of Syria continues ...

    It is reported that in the past 72 hours, the so-called militants of the “Islamic State” (organization banned in the Russian Federation) and their former allies from the Syrian branch of Al-Qaida, Jabhat Al-Nusra, repeatedly engaged in serious clashes in the western part of Damascus , in the area of ​​border crossings through the Lebanese-Syrian border Yarud Jarair and Yarud Karah. On Friday, the intensity of the fighting between the two terrorist groups near Yaroud Jarair increased sharply, which led to significant losses on both sides.http://www.almasdarnews.com


    The Jabhat al-Nusra military camp has been captured by IS militants in the Ersal region on the Syrian-Lebanese border.

    Pentagon: Actions VKS RF change the situation in Syria
    https://russian.rt.com/article/145082

    CAA released today:
    1.Tannouza in Aleppo
    2.Nawarah in northern Latakia
    3.Al-Zinkahiya in Hama
    4.Kabasin in Hama
    5.Al-Buwayda in Hama
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 31 January 2016 17: 01 New
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      Oh yes ... here's another ...
      ATS Army took control of the strategically important height of Ruad http://lifenews.ru/news/182599

      Terrorists will no longer be able to freely transfer forces and ammunition.
      And further.... fellow
      Nine Americans arrested in Saudi Arabia for terrorism http://lifenews.ru/news/182769
      1. iConst
        iConst 31 January 2016 18: 16 New
        +6
        Quote: Sid.74
        Terrorists will no longer be able to freely transfer forces and ammunition.

        - And also to drive oil.
    2. viktor561
      viktor561 31 January 2016 19: 00 New
      +4
      Such a plan for Russia, given by God-once every 70-100 years to force aggressors to peace and forgive everything later !!!! Again run up not childishly.
  3. g1v2
    g1v2 31 January 2016 17: 48 New
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    Erdogashi has his own interests - he is the north of Latakia and Aleppo wants to squeeze the Kurds in Afrin and Hasak. He already on the map drew these territories to Turkey, admired, and then the angry Russians broke off the entire Laf. Moreover, if before the drying of our drying, our people were ready to take into account the interests of the Turks and even somehow compensate for his losses, now they don’t even talk to them and it is believed that the interests of Turkey in Syria are over. Erdogan is not ready to put up with this and is trying to somehow put pressure on us. And the increased combat readiness of the Turkish aviation due to the fact that our 4 su35s were transferred to Syria - that is, the Turks became nervous. And the battles in Latakia are getting closer to the border. The Baboons have the last knot left - Kinsabba. They will not be kept and they will have to bring them down from Latakia. A CAA is not far from Kinsabba. hi
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 31 January 2016 18: 34 New
      +9
      Quote: g1v2
      and here the evil Russians have broken off all their life.

      Happenes.. repeat
      Fortune smiled at another leader of the "moderate" Commander Jaysh al-Fatah, Saudi Mohseni received KAB 500 from the VKS.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 31 January 2016 20: 04 New
        +8
        Quote: Sid.74
        Fortune smiled at another leader of the "moderate" Commander Jaysh al-Fatah, Saudi Mohseni received KAB 500 from the VKS.

        For a long time he caught her, fortune, apparently did not know how she looked, now the photo shows the gurias - "luck" of the bearded.
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 31 January 2016 21: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: Tersky
          "luck" of the bearded

          Rather a surprise for the "bearded"! As in the song ..smile

          And we challenge boredom
          Just because
          To live in the world without surprises
          Impossible to anyone
          Let good luck bad luck
          Let fly up and down
          Only in this way and not otherwise.
          Only in this way and not otherwise.
          Long live the surprise
        2. 341712
          341712 31 January 2016 22: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: Sid.74
          Sid.74 (1) Today, 21: 00 ↑
          Quote: Tersky
          "luck" of the bearded
          Rather a surprise for the "bearded"! As in the song ..

          And we challenge boredom
          Just because
          To live in the world without surprises
          Impossible to anyone
          Let good luck bad luck
          Let fly up and down
          Only in this way and not otherwise.
          Only in this way and not otherwise.
          Long live the surprise

    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 31 January 2016 22: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: Sid.74
      Commander Jaish al-Fatah, Saudi Mohseni received from the VKS KAB 500.

      Namely, or what? This is a gift! From a wide Russian soul ...
      I ask specialists from aviation to explain the specifics and tactics of using the su-35. Why are the restless fussed about?
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 31 January 2016 23: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: Barkhan
        Namely, or what? This is a gift! From a wide Russian soul ...
        I ask specialists from aviation to explain the specifics and tactics of using the su-35. Why are the restless fussed about?

        ... by the way .. against the Su-35 can now lead an air battle more / less on an equal footing only F-22 .. hi
  • Inok10
    Inok10 31 January 2016 20: 32 New
    +3
    Quote: bulvas
    If so, a powerful answer is needed so that at once all desire to provoke is lost

    ... have already disappeared, the Turks have blown away .. Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said
    "Now in the world, not a single country is isolated. If somewhere there was an airspace violation, it is impossible to hide it. Violation (by the Su-34 of the Russian Aerospace Forces) was very short, it is recorded by the radars of Turkey and NATO.
    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20160131/1368026010.html#ixzz3yqMsn7YA
    ... the phrase is, the phrase .. very short-term .. is it interesting how much ?! ..second, half a second? ..not comrades, everything is much simpler ... There was nothing .. and evidence in the form of trace NO! .. laughing
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 31 January 2016 20: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: Inok10
      The violation (on the part of the Su-34 RF Aerospace System) was very short-lived, it was recorded by the radar of Turkey and NATO.

      No, well, what is this evidence? Laughter, and only ... it is necessary to burn American proofs ... so that in each letter the tragedy and the fatalism of the moment can be traced ... winked
      Pentagon: SU-27 intercepted US reconnaissance aircraft RC-135, flying up to it at a distance of 5 meters, then almost overturned with a jet stream


      Well, and here it is clear ... He! Putin, tried ...winked Who else could arrange russian zima, in the desert ... repeat
      Saudi Arabia is experiencing heavy snowfall, with temperatures in some regions falling below 0.

      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 1 February 2016 06: 30 New
        0
        not yet Bikinsky ...
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 31 January 2016 21: 43 New
    +3
    Probably, the Qatari with the Saudis did not agree with Putin, they paid Edorgan to arrange a provocation.


    Right in the root of the zr, dear!
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 31 January 2016 22: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Asadullah
      Right in the root of the zr, dear!
      Here, what kind of zagogulina ... Qatari recently visited Moscow and issued such ...

      Qatar Foreign Minister - Khaled bin Mohammed Al-Attiyah, January 2016:
      “We are convinced that Russia, thanks to its historical ties with Arab countries, is able to find a way to resolve the Syrian crisis. We have no doubt that Russia is in favor of a united, Arab, secular Syria. We agree with these principles. ”

      “The leaders of the two countries agreed on the need to find a political solution in Syria. Therefore, the leaders agreed to intensify efforts to put an end to hostilities, killings and hunger among the civilian population. It was also agreed to ensure that the Syrian people could exercise their will, and this requires the support of Arab countries, as well as international players. ”

      Apparently Russia has broken the plans of the sheikhs as much as possible ... But it’s impossible to take it and leave immediately ... the terrorists will not understand.
      And they can push against those who fed them and supplied them with money.

      The SA already began to discuss in the media a reduction in oil production from OPEC.
      And hinting at the fact that Russia, too, contributed to the growth of oil prices, by reducing production. Only Novak said that it was not us who started the game for a fall, it was not for us to produce and reduce .. winked

      In the cold, in any case, the EU will remain with millions of migrants and Turkey with a heightened conflict with the Kurds, from all over the BV.
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 31 January 2016 22: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: Sid.74
        Here, what a squiggle ...

        ... here is even more interesting ..
        MOSCOW, Jan 31 - RIA News. The planned meeting of Bavarian Prime Minister Horst Seehofer and Russian President Vladimir Putin caused controversy in the ruling coalition of Germany, Reuters reported.
        RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20160131/1367959535.html#ixzz3yquIwO2d

        ... oops ... it turns out the federal states, in matters of foreign policy, "put" on Berlin? .. and you saw when the thread that our governor would be greeted by the Chancellor herself ?! .. me not .. laughing
        Seehofer's partners in the ruling coalition warned him of solidarity with the Kremlin, which would be directed against the migration course of Angela Merkel. "On the issue of refugees, Seehofer clearly opposed his position to the line of the Chancellor - I hope he will refuse to travel," said the representative of the Christian Democratic Union, member of the Bundestag Foreign Policy Committee Roderich Kiesewetter, to the newspaper Die Welt.
        Another colleague Seehofer, a member of the Bundestag from the Social Democratic Party of Germany, Niels Annen, said that political decisions are made "in Berlin, not in Munich." Annen hoped that upon his return from Moscow, Seehofer would not send the Chancellor a new ultimatum, this time on relations with Russia. Earlier, the Bavarian government threatened Merkel with a court because of her migration policy.
        RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20160131/1367959535.html#ixzz3yqvFu8Jt

        ... in the Noble Federated Family ... all of a sudden, everyone is dancing as he wants ?! .. wink
        The Bavarian prime minister himself stressed that his visit to Moscow had been coordinated with both Angela Merkel and German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier. He also noted that the current situation in the world requires international cooperation. "Hotbeds of crises across Europe cannot be dealt with without Russia," Seehofer said.
        Bavarian Economy Minister Ilse Aigner in an interview with Die Welt supported Seehofer's position. She noted that a trip to Moscow is important for maintaining traditionally good relations between Bavaria and Russia, including in the economic field.
        RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20160131/1367959535.html#ixzz3yqvv1tqc

        ... it's just cherry on the cake .. laughing ... here is Bavaria in all its glory .. Germany, Germany .. well, we ourselves .. laughing
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 31 January 2016 23: 13 New
          +3
          P.S. .. Isn't that why .. The US Congress, recommended Obama to return the armored division to Europe? .. judging by the events .. to fight against "Bavarian separatism" .. laughing
        2. Sid.74
          Sid.74 31 January 2016 23: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: Inok10
          Here is Bavaria in all its glory.

          He ... so this is not without accident ... because just recently ... a little less than a hundred years ago ... was Bavarian Soviet Republic - short-term public education, proclaimed by the Council of Workers and Soldiers Deputies 13 April 1919 in Munich. Existed until 1 May 1919.
          So, Munich is ours for a long time! laughing

          And besides this ... Bavaria has its own constitution. It entered into force on December 8 1946.
          And yet ... Bavarians are descendants of three ancient Germanic allied tribes - Bavars, Franks and Swabians (Alemanni) - differ in the nature of speech, customs, ways of thinking and attitude. And it is the largest land area in the Federal Republic of Germany.

          Although, seriously ... this is the way to annoy the pro-government parties of the Federal Republic of Germany, and thus show that if you do not want to fail in the elections, consider the opinion of the Germans who are tired of migrants.
        3. Inok10
          Inok10 31 January 2016 23: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: Sid.74
          Although, seriously ... this is the way to annoy the pro-government parties of the Federal Republic of Germany, and thus show that if you do not want to fail in the elections, consider the opinion of the Germans who are tired of migrants.

          ... especially the Bavarians .. and through them the main stream went .. and, given the fact that in Bavaria you should not even just try to call the Bavarian, German at the household level ... this situation is very revealing .. hi
  • Scraptor
    Scraptor 1 February 2016 00: 35 New
    -1
    And so that the place where Qatar was confused for a long time with the place where Bahrain was, and the Red Sea with the Persian Gulf.
  • Gregazov
    Gregazov 1 February 2016 09: 25 New
    0
    Quote: bulvas
    Turks are about to enter Syria,




    Judging by the latest events have already entered.
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  • poacher
    poacher 31 January 2016 20: 54 New
    0
    they will answer for Crimea, and Izmail will remember.
  • NIKNN
    NIKNN 31 January 2016 16: 18 New
    +5
    Before breaking Turkish [b]radar stations[/ b] repeatedly in Russian and English warned the Russian aircraft, ”the report said.

    [B]radar stations[/ b Turkish Air Force three times warned the drone ..... belay
    1. Nord2015
      Nord2015 31 January 2016 18: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: NIKNN
      [b] radar stations [/ b Turkish Air Force warned the drone three times.

      Before the violation, Turkish radar stations repeatedly warned the Russian aircraft in Russian and English, ”the report said.
      How can radars warn a plane in any language! lol
      This is generally illiterate nonsense. Who writes these articles in these Turks? If only a competent specialist consulted.
  • Shmal_
    Shmal_ 31 January 2016 18: 28 New
    +1
    More precisely, the front-line bomber!
  • mark1386
    mark1386 31 January 2016 21: 41 New
    0
    front-line bomber
  • remy
    remy 31 January 2016 23: 24 New
    0
    actually the Su-24 is a front-line bomber
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 31 January 2016 13: 58 New
    13
    Climb, knocked down. Maybe not one.
    1. tomket
      tomket 31 January 2016 14: 57 New
      +8
      Quote: Observer 33
      Climb, knocked down. Maybe not one.

      Sure?
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 31 January 2016 16: 34 New
        +6
        Yes. If they cross the border and take a course in our direction, no one will stand on ceremony.
        1. tomket
          tomket 31 January 2016 23: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Observer 33
          Yes. If they cross the border and take a course in our direction, no one will stand on ceremony.

          If they fly to Moscow?))))
    2. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 31 January 2016 15: 17 New
      15
      Quote: Observer 33
      Climb, knocked down. Maybe not one.


      No, guys. This is war.
      1. Kunar
        Kunar 31 January 2016 15: 38 New
        12
        And what? She’s already coming ... And even there are losses. And for some reason, on our part ....
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 31 January 2016 15: 41 New
        24
        No, guys. This is war.
        The stump is clear, the war. But whoever provokes it, can you tell you directly or will you guess it yourself?
        Their increased combat readiness means an early invasion to protect their oil carriers. And they vote in advance to NATA harnessed immediately and in full force. NATA for the same pulls reserves gradually to our borders. In the same Baltic. Almost every week, a little bit, porotno and several units of equipment, but in our direction, and not to ourselves.
      3. ver_
        ver_ 31 January 2016 18: 09 New
        +1
        ... to be afraid of wolves - do not go to the forest ...
      4. aksakal
        aksakal 1 February 2016 00: 10 New
        0
        Quote: evge-malyshev
        No, guys. This is war.
        - The Supreme Commander-in-Chief very harshly (I should cite that fragment of speech!) Recently ordered, right into the microphone like this: “I ORDER (literally I don’t remember) you to answer any provocations from Turkey as harshly as possible!”. Hope everyone saw that news item? I hope that here the majority, if not the military, then those who served in the Army, and know that the orders, especially the ORDERS of the SUPREME COMMANDER, need to be FULFILLED? And unquestioningly, exactly and on time? Any questions on the topic? This closes the topic and is not discussed. The Turks will climb - they will be shot down and beats, this is unambiguous. Along the way and in history, the Turks have a rake - a favorite tool, do not spare them for the Turks, let them come and come, their forehead.
      5. bodzu
        bodzu 1 February 2016 06: 24 New
        0
        The war has been going on for a long time, only has different forms, And it has not stopped since 1945
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 31 January 2016 16: 26 New
      +4
      They have already climbed (or one shot down plane does not count?), And we haven’t shot anything yet. What will happen next, let's see. I hope our team prepared this time more thoroughly, and the tourists were taken out, and the S-400 was brought.
  • Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 31 January 2016 14: 26 New
    29
    And you were not interested in how many of our dumb-assed nihilists do their asses warm in Turkey? Through Minsk and in the dams.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 31 January 2016 14: 40 New
      27
      An orange level of anxiety? The Turks have a problem with oranges - nowhere to go after our sanctions? smile
      The next level is red, i.e. tomato? smile
      1. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 31 January 2016 14: 48 New
        -8
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        The next level is red, i.e. tomato?

        The Turks do not have a red alarm level - the highest is orange.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 31 January 2016 14: 58 New
          18
          Quote: Misha Honest
          The Turks do not have a red alarm level - the highest is orange.

          Well, yes ...., there is even higher — purple, well, or blue, this is when they are already carried forward with their legs .. Quote from the news;
          According to the newspaper, in Turkey “there are three main levels of alarm:“ white ”(low probability of attack),“ yellow ”(there is a possibility of attack) и "red" (high probability of collision or war). "
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 31 January 2016 15: 00 New
            +9
            Quote: Tersky
            Well yes .... there is even higher purple

            Well this is probably eggplant! laughing hi
          2. Misha Honest
            Misha Honest 31 January 2016 15: 11 New
            +4
            Quote: Tersky
            Tersky

            My fault. It turns out there is a tomato - judging by our press. fellow
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 31 January 2016 15: 21 New
              +7
              Quote: Misha Honest
              my fault.

              Yes, no fault of yours, elementary carelessness,
              Quote: Misha Honest
              It turns out there is a tomato - judging by our press.
              Well, if the newspaper Milliyet is your press, then it is possible .. yes Michael, did you read the news at all?
              1. Misha Honest
                Misha Honest 31 January 2016 15: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: Tersky
                Your guilt, elementary carelessness,

                On the contrary - rather mindfulness.
                Quote: Tersky
                Well, if the Milliyet newspaper is your press, then it is possible. Have you read the news at all?

                Read - Doesn't Orange Match Red? winked
                http://ria.ru/world/20160131/1367846225.html
                Quote: Tersky
                Milliyet

                Where is it from?
              2. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 31 January 2016 15: 44 New
                +1
                Quote: Misha Honest
                Read - Doesn't Orange Match Red?

                Yes, you have not only that you see poorly, but also color blind! smile
                According to the newspaper, in Turkey "there are three main levels of alarm:" white "(low probability of attack)," yellow "(there is a probability of attack) and" red "(high probability of collision or war)."
                However, “for the Air Force, an“ orange ”level is also being introduced, which, formally, means that a collision can occur at any moment, and that the forces need to be ready for defense and attack,” the newspaper writes.
              3. Tersky
                Tersky 31 January 2016 15: 45 New
                +5
                Quote: Misha Honest
                Where is it from?

                Reread the article and understand. hi
  • kil 31
    kil 31 31 January 2016 14: 44 New
    +7
    Quote: Evgeniy667b
    And you were not interested in how many of our dumb-assed nihilists do their asses warm in Turkey? Through Minsk and in the dams.

    Little. Firstly, transit through another country is not convenient. Secondly, not yet a season. Thirdly, after a quarrel with the plane, not only did anti-Turkish sentiment rise in us, but they also had anti-Russian sentiments. So these are extremes, just it will be extreme.
    The beach season in Turkey officially opens in mid-May, by which time all the hotels on the coast open their doors to the long-awaited guests. True, in many resorts of the Aegean coast, as well as Alanya, the air warms up to 25 degrees in mid-April, but the water temperature is still quite invigorating, in the region of 21 degrees. This is not a problem if you choose a hotel that has a heated pool.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 31 January 2016 14: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      And you were not interested in how many of our dumb-assed nihilists do their asses warm in Turkey?

      in December there were 25.
      now is not the beach season, apparently skiers.
      1. Kunar
        Kunar 31 January 2016 15: 42 New
        +5
        And how many Turks WORK in the territories controlled by the Russian Federation? I think that more ... than our idiotof ....
      2. samoletil18
        samoletil18 31 January 2016 15: 59 New
        31
        My friend has a villa there. And he is THERE! Moreover, I saw him in December. And this week I asked a mutual friend, and he said that he was in Turkey. And how many of our people have acquired real estate there? Five years ago I was offered to buy one-room "apartments" in Alanya for 6000 €, but with a kitchen. To the sea 300m in a straight line, which explained to me, you can also demand a substantial discount. I know people who bought and rented out such real estate before last season.
        THESE people will sell their homeland, but they will go to Turkey. And what happened, they will demand that they evacuate, and when they are taken out at our expense, they will curse their own country for losing a piece of a dubious paradise.
        1. -Traveller-
          -Traveller- 31 January 2016 16: 37 New
          -12 qualifying.
          I also dream of a villa in the Mediterranean, in good times I even asked the price of Antalya.
          things will straighten out - I’ll definitely buy it, Murmansk is tired of it - we must dump it.
          1. samoletil18
            samoletil18 31 January 2016 16: 59 New
            11
            On the coast of Yemen, you can freely acquire a villa. Antalya, not that adrenaline. Think at your leisure. The minus is not mine, but I support it.
            1. -Traveller-
              -Traveller- 31 January 2016 17: 22 New
              -3
              how is your geography? I'm talking about the Mediterranean Sea, and you are imposing Yemen on me.
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 1 February 2016 00: 36 New
            0
            Quote: -Traveller-
            I also dream of a villa in the Mediterranean, in good times I even asked the price of Antalya.
            things will straighten out - I’ll definitely buy it, Murmansk is tired of it - we must dump
            - fight in Syria, land in Latakia will be sold to you at a very reasonable price for a piece of land with access to the beach. The climate there is no worse than in Antalya and not so dirty
      3. Seal
        Seal 31 January 2016 19: 39 New
        +1
        in December it was 25. Now it’s not the beach season, apparently skiers.
        Rather, not as many skiers as small businessmen. Purchased in December. And Christmas discounts, and about the fact that in January restrictions will be introduced - have been announced in advance.
  • Andy
    Andy 31 January 2016 15: 11 New
    25
    and this is THEIR problem if the Turks take it for heated asses. there was a refusal of tourist trips and a warning about terrorist attacks. Even a purely humane vacation next to those who killed your fellow citizens ...
    1. SNEK VIPER
      SNEK VIPER 31 January 2016 21: 00 New
      0
      Unfortunately, there are enough scumbags like Kasyan with his ideology in Russia. I am glad that their significant minority.
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  • Tersky
    Tersky 31 January 2016 15: 16 New
    12
    Quote: Evgeniy667b
    And you were not interested in how many of our dumb-assed nihilists do their asses warm in Turkey?

    And who is guilty of them crazy? Warned-
    "According to the competent authorities, the leaders of the international terrorist organization ISIS are planning to take hostages from among the citizens of the Russian Federation who are in the Republic of Turkey," the Federal Tourism Agency said.
    "According to available information, the hostages can be transported to the territory controlled by the militants for public executions and use as" human shields "in clashes with the Syrian government and coalition forces," the ministry warns.
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  • ARES623
    ARES623 31 January 2016 15: 20 New
    14
    Quote: Evgeniy667b
    And you were not interested in how many of our dumb-assed nihilists do their asses warm in Turkey? Through Minsk and in the dams.

    We will also save the "dullheads" as long as it goes. Of course, there will be costs. Most likely, we will lose some of the "stupid" or those whom the "difficult" has brought. Breeding, however ... But the bulk will have a visual, "difficult, but necessary" lesson.
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 31 January 2016 15: 33 New
    29
    Quote: Evgeniy667b
    I think you need to shoot down ... They just do not calm down! We shot down our attack aircraft .. Russia expressed concern ... Putin decide

    Quote: Evgeniy667b
    And you were not interested in how many of our dumb-assed nihilists do their asses warm in Turkey? Through Minsk and in the dams.

    That's when our plane was shot down, we really were hostages of the fact that up to 20 thousand of our compatriots were lying on Turkish sand, who were not guilty of anything and also became hostages of the situation.
    I think the fact that today someone, contrary to common sense, climbed there by his own dope, can no longer be a reason to deter the Russian Federation from taking retaliatory measures.
    It is unpleasant of course, but the state must first of all protect the interests of 142 million Russians, and not hundreds of dumb-headed fellow citizens.
  • zollstab
    zollstab 31 January 2016 15: 37 New
    +2
    Let them self-destruct. Natural selection.
  • lelikas
    lelikas 31 January 2016 15: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: Evgeniy667b
    And you were not interested in how many of our dumb-assed nihilists do their asses warm in Turkey? Through Minsk and in the dams.

    There is no season now ...
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 31 January 2016 16: 36 New
    +2
    Keyword - dumbhead yes
  • gispanec
    gispanec 31 January 2016 17: 34 New
    0
    Quote: Evgeniy667b
    And you were not interested in how much

    so enlighten .... and how many are there? ... don’t know ... tady tydyshchschsch
  • Tersky
    Tersky 31 January 2016 15: 08 New
    +6
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I think you need to shoot down ... They just do not calm down!

    Shoot down what? This example of the injection of g *** on the fan by Turkey about the alleged violation by Russian planes of the Turkish Air Force once again confirms that Erdogan got off his head with fear and did not dare to lift the fighters into the air a second time even if he took the "invasion" at face value. Ankara behaves like a political whore, pouring false accusations, but fears to get the full.
  • vovanpain
    vovanpain 31 January 2016 15: 44 New
    21
    Quote: MIKHAN
    otherwise on the territory of Russia they will start to shoot down ours!

    They will not start Vitalik, they will not start. hi
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 31 January 2016 15: 50 New
    +6
    Overview of the situation in Syria, there just after a short break, the operation to liberate the border areas of Latakia continued.
  • 11 black
    11 black 31 January 2016 17: 04 New
    +4
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I think you need to shoot down ... They just do not calm down! We shot down our attack aircraft .. Russia expressed concern ... Putin make up his mind, otherwise they will start to shoot down ours on the territory of Russia! We will stand under arms, if that!

    Do not hesitate, if they fly into Syrian air, they will be shot down - the order has already been given, and the GDP will not be joking with such things.
    Quote: MIKHAN
    We shot down our attack aircraft .. Russia expressed concern ..

    Well, for the sake of justice, Russia expressed concern about the caliber and long-range aviation smile hi
    1. remy
      remy 31 January 2016 19: 49 New
      0
      by the way, and why are we shy ...
      below in the picture PU with missiles Caliber
      it’s time to already supply Brigade complexes to the troops
      Caliber-NK; -PL is good - but not enough volley!
      and the brigade, for example, of 12 launchers x 4 missiles = 48 missiles in a salvo
      just declare a range of not more than 500 km laughing
  • remy
    remy 31 January 2016 20: 34 New
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    We will stand under arms, if that!

    not under the gun - in this case there is a Strategic Missile Forces!
  • Homo
    Homo 31 January 2016 20: 43 New
    +4
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Putin make up your mind, otherwise they will start to shoot down our territory in Russia!

    Blah blah blah! Nonsense!!! am
  • mark1386
    mark1386 31 January 2016 21: 40 New
    -1
    it’s better to warn
  • saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 31 January 2016 23: 25 New
    -2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    .. Putin make up your mind, otherwise on the territory of Russia they will start to shoot down ours! We will stand under arms, if that!

    That there is Turkey, a dozen nuclear missiles and will not have to be under arms, there will be enough Jews and Saudis, we will burn everything, here it is a pity for the Palestinians.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 31 January 2016 14: 10 New
    10
    Quote: Baikonur
    Turks constantly violate air. space of Greece, for example! I wish I could come to an agreement with the Greeks and slam at least one Turk-fly! Although, of course, they won’t go for it!

    Let the Greeks agree with the Bulgarians against Turkey, the Greeks have the S-300!
    1. bornikrub
      bornikrub 31 January 2016 15: 04 New
      +3
      Greeks are exiles, genetically afraid of Turks.
      1. remy
        remy 31 January 2016 19: 54 New
        0
        the Greeks air defense missile system S-300 is on alert
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 31 January 2016 15: 11 New
      -3
      Quote: Sith Lord
      Let the Greeks agree with the Bulgarians against Turkey, the Greeks have the S-300!

      At the same time, let them agree with the Turks so that they fly to Greece, otherwise the S-300 will not reach Turkey smile
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 31 January 2016 15: 48 New
        12
        Quote: Bayonet
        At the same time, let them agree with the Turks so that they fly to Greece, otherwise the S-300 will not reach Turkey smile

        Let it be known to you that only in December the Turks violated the airspace of Greece 49 times !!!
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 31 January 2016 16: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Sith Lord
          Let it be known to you that only in December the Turks violated the airspace of Greece 49 times !!!

          Well then, another thing! And patience is just iron smile hi
          1. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 31 January 2016 23: 05 New
            +2
            Yes, to hell with him, with patience ... Both of them (countries) are members of NATO. And if they really clashed, that's where the spectacle fellow ... and good for good people, that is, for us. laughing
            1. midivan
              midivan 1 February 2016 01: 20 New
              +2
              Quote: Barkhan
              both (countries) are members of NATO. And if they really clashed, that's where the spectacle

              you probably watched "300 Spartans" not so long ago and are still impressed? laughing
              1. BARKHAN
                BARKHAN 1 February 2016 09: 44 New
                +1
                Well, I certainly didn’t mean carpet bombing and landing operations on the coasts. It is quite enough if they begin to drag each other by the hair at NATO meetings. Well and of course the press will give heat.
        2. Seal
          Seal 31 January 2016 19: 41 New
          +1
          Only in December, the Turks violated the airspace of Greece 49 times !!!
          This means that only in December the Greeks wrote to Turkey 49 notes of protest and complaints to Brussels, to NATO.
      2. bodzu
        bodzu 1 February 2016 06: 37 New
        0
        Greece is very difficult to conduct an independent policy-it is under external control. And even more so to decide on the destruction of air violators. This is not about genetics but about political will.
    3. Dmitry Ukraine
      Dmitry Ukraine 31 January 2016 15: 58 New
      17
      I have relatives living in Bulgaria, and so, according to their words, there is now a serious public outcry over the attempt by their Minister of Education to rewrite history (in particular, school history books), from which it is planned to remove the mention of the long-term oppression of the Balkan peoples ( well, the Bulgarians, of course) the Turks. In other words, the euro / the united states, let's call them that, are trying their best to make Turkey an image of such a reliable and "relatively honest" partner, whose airspace is now being encroached by "aggressive Russia". But neither in Bulgaria nor in Greece such things will work for them - they know perfectly well what Erdogan and Turkey are.
  • Blondy
    Blondy 31 January 2016 14: 14 New
    +5
    Baikonur (7)
    I wish I could come to an agreement with the Greeks and slam at least one Turk-fly!

    Why negotiate - the Greeks already have the C300, negotiations on their maintenance and replacement of aging missiles were still weighty. Want - click on the button.
  • yugan
    yugan 1 February 2016 00: 27 New
    0
    Non-traditional people at the head of the Turetchina run up. I'd like to look at the first combat use of C-400 for these children of a female dog.
  • DIMA45R
    DIMA45R 1 February 2016 11: 55 New
    0
    Before the violation, Turkish radar stations repeatedly warned the Russian aircraft in Russian and English
    .
    What kind of radars they say turns out to be, not so much ours (they only determine something)
  • Misha Honest
    Misha Honest 31 January 2016 13: 41 New
    35
    Quote: NIKNN
    I don’t know who is dumber than Erdogan or Poroshenko

    Obama
  • Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 31 January 2016 13: 58 New
    24
    Quote: NIKNN
    I don’t know who is dumber than Erdogan or Poroshenko

    Full coincidence with the behavior of Ukraine. Provocations, accusations of what happened in Russia and the promotion of military fumes. And no wonder - the conductor is the same.
    1. VP
      VP 31 January 2016 14: 14 New
      24
      Different situations. Erdogan’s perdak burns without any conductors, and sometimes contrary to them.
      Erdogan spills out the collapse of all his long, five-year, efforts.
      In addition to the collapse with the overthrow of Assad, he, in pursuit, receives a loss of influence in the region of the Turkmen mountains and the strengthening of the Kurds along its borders.
      But dreamed otherwise. And to all his comrades-in-arms drawn into an adventure, he painted differently, too.
      And here is the distinct perspective of a trough.
      Five years in a landfill. A powerful blow to authority and pride.
      There are only exacerbations with the Kurds, refugee camps on the territory of the country, whose uncontrolled Basmachis suddenly cease to arrange something, problems with all neighbors in a row, frictions with the United States that help the Kurds, zero relations with the Russian Federation, which were previously excellent.
      1. Fidel
        Fidel 31 January 2016 23: 44 New
        0
        "They will give you something - but you don't steal" (classic))) laughing
    2. Dryuya2
      Dryuya2 31 January 2016 14: 16 New
      +9
      Quote: Voha_krim
      ... the conductor is the same.

      the next step of the sanctions following the talks on Syria ??? recourse
    3. Inok10
      Inok10 31 January 2016 14: 17 New
      +8
      Quote: Voha_krim
      Full coincidence with the behavior of Ukraine. Provocations, accusations of what happened in Russia and the promotion of military fumes. And no wonder - the conductor is the same.

      ... and add the last week's groans from the Swedish Defense Minister about the "Russian threat", as well as Finland's statement last year to end the 1947 peace treaty, according to which it severely limited its armaments .. the screeching of the Baldans and Poland ... the situation is heating up. ... hi
      1. dyksi
        dyksi 31 January 2016 14: 52 New
        +5
        Along the way, they are clearly already moving off the coils, since the Turks must understand that in case of conflict their country will disappear from the political and geographic maps of the world, it has such a location, it will fly from all sides. It’s easy to step over the line, but then you will not return anything.
  • ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 31 January 2016 14: 08 New
    +7
    In any case, part of our Caliber and X101 (with the usual warhead, or maybe not) have already entered the coordinates of the targets in Turkey. This time, if they get in a hurry everything will be like an adult.
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 31 January 2016 18: 03 New
      0
      Quote: ramzes1776
      In any case, part of our Caliber and X101 (with the usual warhead, or maybe not) have already entered the coordinates of the targets in Turkey. This time, if they get in a hurry everything will be like an adult.

      Have you read the new doctrine on Turkey? because of the Turks no one will start the world’s 3rd ... I mean your words with the special warhead of missiles
      1. midivan
        midivan 1 February 2016 01: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: gispanec
        Have you read the new doctrine on Turkey? because of the Turks no one will start the world’s 3rd ... I mean your words with the special warhead of missiles

        the key word is "no one" - that is, evropa, etc., etc., and in this case, why not bang a special missile warhead in Turkey, if only the Saudis rock the boat out of Iran, they will immediately roll the device under the ass laughing
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 31 January 2016 15: 01 New
    +5
    Quote: NIKNN
    I don’t know who is dumber than Erdogan or Poroshenko

    Poroshenko is dumber. Erdogan Greyhound.
    But according to the international diplomatic classification, both are political corpses.
  • Kent0001
    Kent0001 31 January 2016 18: 30 New
    0
    Dumb and Dumber... belay
  • shalim
    shalim 31 January 2016 21: 10 New
    +1
    this is the same as in the joke:

    The husband says to his wife:
    I can agree with you, but then we will both be wrong.)))
  • mark1386
    mark1386 31 January 2016 21: 40 New
    0
    S-400 missile apparently you mean
  • sergeant1986
    sergeant1986 31 January 2016 22: 46 New
    0
    Aha! The air defense motto is "We don't fly ourselves - and we don't give it to others!" has not been canceled yet!)))
  • SuperVodka777
    SuperVodka777 1 February 2016 01: 20 New
    -1
    And that will be? Do you get it The grouping of the RF Armed Forces in Syria against Turkey will not last half an hour, and even if you send all your strength, you will not force NATO in the Mediterranean. Think who is dumber than voices such thoughts.
    1. SklochPensioner
      SklochPensioner 1 February 2016 05: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: SuperVodka777
      The grouping of the RF Armed Forces in Syria against Turkey will not last half an hour, and even if you send all your strength, you will not force NATO in the Mediterranean.


      Are you sure, Mr. Svidomo strategist? Look at the map carefully, scratch ... what do you have there ...
      And, yes, forget about NATO - NATO is not NATO (Baltic accent))
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 1 February 2016 03: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: NIKNN
    I don’t know who is dumber than Erdogan or Poroshenko


    identical Kazls and fate they have in common. will provide a dead end. And because not FIG.
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  • vovanpain
    vovanpain 31 January 2016 13: 44 New
    25
    Quote: deputy ___ watered
    and there the bibles will sound that the Russians bombed Istanbul!)

    So already NATO and the White House are trumpeting that the Russians violate the airspace of a NATO member, Yes, everything is just like 5 cents, bargaining in Syria, they beat out preferences for themselves. Moreover, they play the dark with a fool Erdogan.
    1. fif21
      fif21 31 January 2016 14: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: vovanpain
      So already NATO and the White House are trumpeting
      Are they ready to die for Turkey? Or the task of drawing Russia into a local war? It is necessary to demand from NATO to exclude Turkey from the military-political bloc for supporting terrorists. And to warn them that they become hostages to Erdogan’s adventure.
      1. Alf
        Alf 31 January 2016 15: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: fif21
        It is necessary to demand from NATO to exclude Turkey from the military-political bloc for supporting terrorists.

        Then ALL NATO will have to dissolve, because it is from a block feature-to breed terrorists.
        1. fif21
          fif21 31 January 2016 17: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Alf
          Then ALL NATO will have to dissolve
          Well, then the verb "dissolve" should be replaced by another.
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    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 31 January 2016 15: 38 New
      16
      Quote: vovanpain
      So already NATO and the White House are trumpeting that the Russians are violating the airspace of a NATO member,

      Yes, and let them blow
      1. taram taramych
        taram taramych 31 January 2016 15: 57 New
        +1
        The photo on the screensaver killed, the rooster flying forward with its tail, on the "tail"! Who didn’t die laughing, give up?
        And ours is Eagle!
  • Finches
    Finches 31 January 2016 13: 48 New
    34
    It is necessary to draw the profile of Suvorov on our planes ... so that the bassists would remember Topal Pasha! Then their "orange" will not turn off at all, even when our VKS leave Syria .... So painted in the colors of childish surprise will live ... laughing
    1. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 31 January 2016 13: 59 New
      21
      And let Usak Pasha remember. On the ships to draw.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 31 January 2016 14: 09 New
        30
        Quote: armored optimist
        And let Usak Pasha remember. On ships draw

        And nah-pasha too!
        "Admiral Nakhimov did not like to breed polites with the Turks, and if those
        refused to accept the terms of surrender, he abruptly cut off negotiations
        and invited them to go somewhere. In Turkey he was called that: Nah Pasha. " smile
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 31 January 2016 18: 09 New
          -2
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          They called him that in Turkey: Nah Pasha

          This is how legends are born.
        2. Seal
          Seal 31 January 2016 19: 46 New
          +1
          And nah-pasha too!

          Russian: "Glory to the great Russian naval commander Nakhimov."
          Crest: Who ?? Yes, bye on tebe. What kind of "Nakhymov"? Tse was ours, Ukrainian Nakhimenko !!!
          Russian - "Nakhimov!"
          Khokhol - "Nakhimenko!"
          Russian - "Nakhimov !!!"
          The crest - "Nakhimenko !!!"

          And only the old Jew Nachimson sat on the sidelines and did not fit into the argument. He knew for sure ...
  • ECT
    ECT 31 January 2016 14: 23 New
    -6
    Shot down a Syrian pilot Le Du Ching
  • Blondy
    Blondy 31 January 2016 14: 48 New
    0
    It is now so an innocent virgin portrayed at the state level.
  • Alf
    Alf 31 January 2016 15: 04 New
    +2
    Quote: deputy ___ watered
    cheap move! The main thing is to attract attention, and there the bibisi will sound that the Russians bombed Istanbul!)

    "According to military sources, the level of alert at the air bases under the command of the Air Force has been changed to" orange "," the agency notes.

    And what is there in the Turkish Air Force airbase, which does not obey the command of the Turkish Air Force?
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 31 January 2016 15: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: Alf
      And what is there in the Turkish Air Force airbase, which does not obey the command of the Turkish Air Force?

      ... Ingerlik .. NATO joint base, 10th air wing and 2nd command of the Turkish air force .. hi
      1. Alf
        Alf 31 January 2016 22: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Inok10
        ... Ingerlik .. NATO joint base, 10th air wing and 2nd command of the Turkish air force ..

        I agree. And the OTHER Turkish airbases now sit peacefully or also warm the engines?
    2. Dembel77
      Dembel77 31 January 2016 15: 54 New
      +2
      The announcement of the alarm in the Turkish Air Force is the second stage in the provocation arranged by Turkey the day before. There is no doubt that this is a provocation !! And the US is in the know.
      On January 30, representatives of the Turkish Foreign Ministry said that on the eve of a Russian military plane violated the Turkish border. “Yesterday, one Su-34 belonging to the Russian Aerospace Forces violated Turkish airspace. Before the violation, Turkish radar stations repeatedly warned the Russian plane in Russian and English, ”the Foreign Ministry said in a statement. At the same time, the Russian ambassador to Turkey was invited to the Turkish Foreign Ministry, where he “was strongly opposed and condemned” in connection with the incident.

      The representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Major General Igor Konashenkov, in turn, denied the statements of Turkey, calling them unfounded propaganda. According to him, there were no violations of the Turkish airspace by airplanes of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Konashenkov expressed bewilderment at how precisely the Turkish authorities determined the model of the supposedly Russian aircraft: “I’m sure that even Turkish air defense experts know that radar stations that monitor airspace can only fix the altitude, course and speed of an object in the air. None of these radars is able to determine the type and state of the air object. ”It is noteworthy that in the first reports of the Turkish Air Force it was said that the MiG-29 aircraft violated the airspace, but the Russian Air Force does not have these aircraft at the Russian base in Syria, since the main the task is to strike at ground targets. About this, in particular, the newspaper The Wall Street Journal wrote. However, Ankara continues to argue that the violation took place without showing any evidence. The lack of accurate information did not stop Pentagon officials from blaming the Russian military and supporting the ruling Turkish elite.
      http://izvestia.ru/news/602962#ixzz3ypFhfadJ.
  • kimyth1
    kimyth1 31 January 2016 15: 32 New
    0
    it’s not in vain that our troops transferred the Su-35 link to Latakia today !!! good
  • Kunar
    Kunar 31 January 2016 15: 36 New
    +1
    It’s better to be than to be reputed ....))))) And about who is dumber, the training manual is alone and the puppeteers are sure that they have left the population of the land entrusted to them to zero. Here is a vivid example of the authenticity of the expression "people hawala" .... And I feel sorry for them ...
  • Sergei1982
    Sergei1982 31 January 2016 15: 39 New
    +7
    Su-35s flown to Syria
    Four Su-35S fighters deployed to Syria

    bmpd
    January 31st, 14:31
    As reported, on January 30, 2016, four of the newest Su-35S multipurpose fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were transferred to the Russian aviation group at the Syrian Khmeimim airbase near Latakia. Four Su-35S fighters of the latest construction of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu.A. flew to Syria. Gagarin (branch of Sukhoi Company JSC), transferred to the Russian Aerospace Forces in October and November 2015 - aircraft with red side numbers "03", "04", "05" and "06" (serial numbers 02517, 02518, 02619 and 02620, respectively).

    According to well-known information, these Su-35S aircraft made a flight to Syria from the Volga airport (Astrakhan region), led by the passenger aircraft Tu-154M of the Russian Air Force (registration number RA-85042).

    This is the first appearance of the Su-35S as part of the Russian aviation group in Syria and the first combat deployment of aircraft of this type in general.
    1. Dembel77
      Dembel77 31 January 2016 16: 06 New
      +3
      I am firmly convinced that the four newest multifunctional Su-35S fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces have been deployed to Syria only to participate in the fight against illegal terrorist groups on its territory. I would not want to create an environment for their other application. We don’t need this. I hope that a sober mind will prevail in the leadership of Turkey, and not revanchist ambitions.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 31 January 2016 17: 45 New
        +7
        Hmmm, I remember when I wrote on the same website about a month ago, they say, it would be nice to send the Su-35 to Syria - I took so many minuses ... So many "smart guys" told me that it was more than stupid and unnecessary, as Su-30SM do an excellent job of their work and so on, and so on, and so on.
        And now everyone is happy! Everyone is happy with everything!
        I wonder how many minuses I would catch if in the first days of October I would offer ISIS from 3M-14 and X-555 to shoot ?! bully
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 31 January 2016 18: 25 New
          -6
          Quote: Wiruz
          I remember when I about a month ago

          ...I do not remember;
          Quote: Wiruz
          So many "smart guys" told me

          ...I do not know;
          Quote: Wiruz
          I wonder how many minuses I would catch

          Try calling Globe.
        2. midivan
          midivan 1 February 2016 01: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: Wiruz
          M-yes, I remember when I wrote on the same site a month ago, they say, it would be nice to send the Su-35 to Syria - I got so many drawbacks ..

          laughing I remember, although at the same time everyone wants to send something there for testing laughing
    2. SSeT
      SSeT 31 January 2016 19: 49 New
      0
      Wow! This is news!
      1. midivan
        midivan 1 February 2016 01: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: SSeT
        Wow! This is news!

        laughing laughing laughing did not work? didn’t understand yet that it is leaving slowly after the new year, finally wink
  • GYGOLA
    GYGOLA 31 January 2016 17: 29 New
    0
    On Saturday, the Turkish Foreign Ministry issued a special statement reporting the violation of the air border by Russian aircraft. “Yesterday (January 29, 2016) one Su-34 belonging to the Russian Air Force
    They put pressure on Putin emotionally, they ruined the weekend, let them check to find out, twitches, here are the Turks ... Most likely, the border zones, according to Syrian sources, are slightly different from the Turkish ones.
    1. midivan
      midivan 1 February 2016 01: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: GYGOLA
      Emotionally put pressure on Putin

      if you put a lot of pressure on GDP, then tanks, planes and missiles will climb out of it fellow bully
  • Kent0001
    Kent0001 31 January 2016 18: 29 New
    0
    shoot down on take-off .. if that ...
  • Drmadfisher
    Drmadfisher 31 January 2016 19: 19 New
    0
    I’m humble and the position is small, BUT HERE TO KNOW!
  • mark1386
    mark1386 31 January 2016 21: 39 New
    0
    why cheap. normal
  • shark913
    shark913 1 February 2016 22: 11 New
    0
    Yes, all this Turkish mouse fuss about our wolfhounds sent there SU-35S!
  • ZKB
    ZKB 31 January 2016 13: 36 New
    +4
    An orange level of anxiety ... I just want to answer with the phrase of our Foreign Minister.
    forgot about S-400
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 31 January 2016 13: 41 New
      35
      Quote: ZKB
      forgot about S-400

      Probably alarmed by the fact that yesterday our 4 Su-35S were transferred to Khmeimim. And what will happen if one more link of these "birds" is relocated? Will the fire alarm be announced throughout Turkey? Jokes and jokes, but the degree of escalation is increasing.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 31 January 2016 13: 52 New
        29
        It’s time to honestly warn Erdogan that if another attempt to bring down a Russian plane follows, then a strike will be struck at the airfield from which these bandits take off.
        Such a warning would immediately cool many heads not only in Turkey, but also NATO.
        1. Kyustenkats
          Kyustenkats 31 January 2016 15: 53 New
          -3
          This is not what, the c400 complex shoots down targets at altitudes of 0 meters, so when the Turks board a plane, they immediately get an alarm and an alert, which is already on the gun. So they are aware of their problems.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 31 January 2016 16: 42 New
            +4
            Quote: Kyustenkats
            complex s400 shoots down targets at altitudes of 0 meters

            Yes more! Even the buried bunkers of the S-400 are amazing. yes
          2. DmitryK
            DmitryK 31 January 2016 17: 26 New
            +2
            On the border of Syria and Turkey, a mountain range. Do not write urapatriotic nonsense.
            1. remy
              remy 31 January 2016 19: 58 New
              0
              DmitryK
              here who writes urapatriotic nonsense gets a plus sign!
              and whoever conducts a deep analysis and bothers or turns on the mind gets a minus sign!
              1. aleks26
                aleks26 1 February 2016 00: 12 New
                0
                Are you only interested in the pluses?
              2. SklochPensioner
                SklochPensioner 1 February 2016 05: 48 New
                0
                Quote: remy
                who conducts a deep analysis and bothers or turns on the mind gets a minus sign!


                Ah well! Get it for "deep analysis" and don't "bother" laughing
            2. bodzu
              bodzu 1 February 2016 07: 07 New
              0
              Are you a great specialist in radar? Do you know the capabilities of the complex?
          3. Vita vko
            Vita vko 31 January 2016 19: 55 New
            +3
            Quote: Kyustenkats
            This is not what, the c400 complex shoots down targets at altitudes of 0 meters

            Unfortunately, even for the most advanced air defense system, the laws of physics cannot be canceled. The Turks, or rather their puppeteers, the Americans, know perfectly well how to hide a loitering fighter in the field of radio shade and, using AWACS planes, to suddenly attack a Russian plane via an optoelectronic channel. The only system that is capable of reacting and protecting the aircraft is the President-S electronic countermeasures system.
            1. bodzu
              bodzu 1 February 2016 07: 11 New
              0
              Possibilities of a phased array and a special math apparatus make it possible to detect and identify targets against the backdrop of forest mountains even at a target speed of less than 1 meter per second, even a hovering helicopter.
        2. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 31 January 2016 15: 55 New
          +3
          It’s time to honestly warn Erdogan that if another attempt to bring down a Russian plane follows, then a strike will be struck at the airfield from which these bandits take off.
          A weak reaction to the downing of our aircraft only increased their borzometer. And, accordingly, the next time will have to do much more, and possibly bloody suggestion.
          All in full accordance with the psychology of such scumbags. Therefore, in the case of such a statement, we must immediately say that the wrong base from where it took off will be destroyed. And just ALL air force bases. To nowhere else and no one to take off in principle.
          And in the preamble of the statement to lay down and transfer of support for terrorism in Syria, theft of oil from there, violation of the Greek airspace, Cyprus and so on.
          1. aleks26
            aleks26 1 February 2016 00: 22 New
            +1
            Moreover, it is indicative of the use of tactical nuclear weapons, so that the others in the bloc understand that this is serious, and the Russian Federation is not going to stand on ceremony with anyone. Only the realization that the "partner" will not be able to sit out overseas can give a chance to avoid a big war.
        3. DmitryK
          DmitryK 31 January 2016 17: 25 New
          0
          There were no attempts. Decided, Wanted and shot down. And nothing.
        4. SNEK VIPER
          SNEK VIPER 31 January 2016 21: 14 New
          0
          I fully support!
        5. bodzu
          bodzu 1 February 2016 06: 43 New
          +1
          I think we need to answer at the airfields. You need to beat in a fight so that the ears of the enemy fall off, solely for reasons of humanism.
      2. olegfbi
        olegfbi 31 January 2016 14: 07 New
        +3
        Just in case, news about the transfer of the Su-35S:
        http://warfiles.ru/show-107125-rossiya-perebrosila-v-siriyu-zveno-noveyshih-su-3
        5.html
        http://vpk-news.ru/news/28981
      3. AlexTires
        AlexTires 31 January 2016 14: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        They probably got excited because yesterday our 4 Su-35С were transferred to Khmeimim.

        Shot almost helpless bomber. And then su-35 intended to shoot down? Although the fact that the Turks are preparing a provocation of an air incident, with unpredictable consequences is more than likely ....
        1. bald
          bald 31 January 2016 15: 29 New
          +4
          Of course, this is all due to the fact that Washington with its airborne assault forces not only clearly does not have time for the outlined holiday on the complete defeat of the bandit formations in Syria, but upon arrival may turn out to be an obvious "loser", or simply "the third superfluous". In addition to ridicule and cackle from the world community, this "cream-picking team" then does not get anything. Therefore, a disinformation war was started against Russia, in which Erdogan is just a decoy duck quacking from his backwater on command from behind a large puddle. And the task now for Erdogan is clearly set: to slander Russia before the whole world, so that under the prospect of imposing new sanctions, to force him to stop routing ISIS (his fosterlings, the ugly people). to return everything back, and for one thing to show her who is the boss in this house.
        2. DmitryK
          DmitryK 31 January 2016 17: 28 New
          -4
          The attack scheme on the su-24 is no different from the attack on the su-35. Everything is thought out, competently, efficiently.
      4. taram taramych
        taram taramych 31 January 2016 16: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Joking, joking, but a degree of escalation
        , can be reduced by high-quality CALIBRATION.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 31 January 2016 13: 42 New
      12
      C-400 and Varyag are air defense systems, which can be circumvented using a complex terrain around the appendix. If after the launch of Sayd or AMRAAM to go into the shadows behind the ridge (actually a lapel with a sharp decrease), then the SAM will have a failure to capture even there C-400, at least PAK, at least something.

      The Su-35 + thrown the other day, the existing Su-30 + AWACS will be much more effective, but again the issue of territory (you can, you can’t fly abroad after shelling from Turkey).
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 31 January 2016 13: 55 New
        10
        ....... "but again, the issue of territory (you can, you can't fly abroad after shelling from Turkey) ....
        If there is shelling of our group from Turkey, the issue of territory will disappear by itself. This will be an act of aggression by the Turkish Armed Forces against the Russian Federation.
        The Turks will not go for it, this is WAR !!!
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 31 January 2016 15: 57 New
          +9
          The Turks will not go for it, this is WAR !!!
          The Turks will do it. After the first attack got away with it, this is not a probability, but an axiom. The question is whether we go on principle in the event of a repetition of the attack.
          1. kapitan92
            kapitan92 31 January 2016 16: 30 New
            +8
            ....... "The statement by the Turkish authorities about the violation of the airspace by the Russian Su-34 should be regarded as a painful reaction to the recent successes of the Aerospace Forces in Syria. Many observers are sure of this. They agree that Ankara is making such provocations in an attempt to organize a personal meeting between Erdogan and Putin. However, the Kremlin has long made it clear that there is nothing to talk about with those who beat in the back ".......
            To unleash a war with Russia on behalf of NATO !? Let's wait and see.
        2. DmitryK
          DmitryK 31 January 2016 17: 31 New
          -3
          This is not a war. This is an incident. War has goals and objectives. We have no insoluble contradictions with Turkey.
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 31 January 2016 18: 31 New
            +2
            Quote: DmitryK
            This is not a war. It's incеdent

            V.S. Vysotsky. Chess Crown Honor Game
            He destroys my defense
            Old Indian - at the moment -
            It vaguely reminds me
            Indo-Pakistani incident.
            Pay attention to the spelling words.
        3. zvereok
          zvereok 31 January 2016 23: 51 New
          0
          In the event of any incident - if Putin decides to openly clash, it is necessary to hit not the aircraft but the fleet. Port infrastructure and the fleet are quite vulnerable until they go to sea. Especially in the Navy we are lagging behind the Turks. Well, then already, or in parallel - squeeze the pilots. But of course, God forbid.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 1 February 2016 21: 20 New
            0
            How did you determine the backlog of our fleet? One "Severodvinsk" will lay down the entire Turkish fleet.
      2. Inok10
        Inok10 31 January 2016 14: 06 New
        +8
        Quote: donavi49
        If after the launch of Sayd or AMRAAM, go into the shadows behind the ridge (actually a lapel with a sharp decrease), then the air defense system will have a disruption to capture even there S-400, at least PAK, at least something else.

        ... reasonably .. but do not forget that after the events with the SU-24 we don’t fly without the cover of the SU-30SM .. so the terrain here will not help .. and it really smells like an outright war .. and the destruction of the Turkish air force with using all available means .. including aerodrome structure .. hi
        1. kil 31
          kil 31 31 January 2016 14: 13 New
          +1
          15 years ago, the arrogant Saxons calculated and asserted this. Well, what do their assumptions compare? All planes are there.
          The US military information portal Strategypage released the previously unpublished results of a study by the now defunct British Defense Evaluation and Research Agency. In 2000, British experts tried to compare the characteristics of the latest Russian Su-35 fighter with modern western aircraft of this class. The data were summarized in the following table (the ratio of losses of the Su-35 to Western aircraft):
          F-22 - 10,1: 1 (more than ten Su-35s will fall on one downed American fighter)
          Typhoon - 4,5: 1
          Rafale 1: 1
          F-15C 0,8: 1
          F-18D 0,4: 1
          F-18C 0,3: 1
          F-16C 0,3: 1
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 31 January 2016 14: 30 New
            +9
            Quote: keel 31

            Typhoon - 4,5: 1

            Yes? And here is the opinion:
            Our military experts believe that the Su-35 is more functional .. In terms of ammunition, the Su-35 surpasses Typhoon by one and a half times: 9 and 6,5 tons, respectively. Our fighter is capable of detecting a target at a distance of 400 km, and the European one - only 300. Besides Typhoon, unlike the Su-35, is not equipped with a warning system about the launch of enemy missiles. Meanwhile, this system gives the pilot some precious seconds to maneuver. Thanks to better maneuverability, the Su-35 is more likely to defeat the Eurofighter Typhoon in aerial combat

            So, how many people - so many opinions. In addition, the pilot's flying skills, along with moral and volitional qualities, also play an important role. Only an air battle will show the truth.
            1. kil 31
              kil 31 31 January 2016 14: 49 New
              +3
              So I say let's see. I wonder why the arrogant Saxons do not like the French rafal so 1-1 hi
        2. zvereok
          zvereok 31 January 2016 23: 53 New
          0
          The fleet and its infrastructure must be destroyed.
      3. remy
        remy 31 January 2016 20: 04 New
        +1
        there will be no disruption of capture if the air defense system is coupled with a control gear of the ACS type Polyana D4M1
        ACS receives control from third-party funds
        Radar SPRN, radar SAM SAM Tor, Beech, A-50, Shell
    3. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 31 January 2016 13: 43 New
      +9
      The staff members quickly connected to this - the representative of the US Department of Defense Mark Wright confirmed everything in an interview with RIA Novosti: “We are aware of the messages and can confirm that yesterday another Russian military aircraft violated the airspace of Turkey and NATO.”
      Turkey, after all, will again run to Brussels if something is dirty tricks. Prepare informational background in advance.
      1. cap
        cap 31 January 2016 13: 56 New
        16
        catcat
        Quote: Stock Officer
        The staff members quickly connected to this - the representative of the US Department of Defense Mark Wright confirmed everything in an interview with RIA Novosti: “We are aware of the messages and can confirm that yesterday another Russian military aircraft violated the airspace of Turkey and NATO.”
        Turkey, after all, will again run to Brussels if something is dirty tricks. Prepare informational background in advance.


        They’re preparing another dirty trick. They started stuffing. Like this cat.
        1. avt
          avt 31 January 2016 14: 27 New
          11
          Quote: cap
          They’re preparing another dirty trick. They started stuffing. Like this cat.

          Ten years of shooting you without the right of correspondence, for having thrown into the Internet a photo of a secret special forces soldier, the military seals of the GRU / FSB in training! laughing
        2. taram taramych
          taram taramych 31 January 2016 16: 18 New
          +2
          And this is the BLOCK system. Even if one of the subjects of bl. goes "beyond the generally accepted norms of behavior", all other members are "obliged" to support the "marginalized", because they are bound by an agreement. Whose block is stronger, that has Truth. Stupid, don't learn history.
      2. Inok10
        Inok10 31 January 2016 14: 08 New
        +7
        Quote: Reserve officer
        Turkey, after all, will again run to Brussels if something is dirty tricks. Prepare informational background in advance.

        ... letting first trace will be presented as evidence .. bark or fart this one .. hi
    4. Proxima
      Proxima 31 January 2016 13: 51 New
      +4
      Quote: ZKB
      An orange level of anxiety ... I just want to answer with the phrase of our Foreign Minister.
      forgot about S-400

      Especially for a "special" occasion, an orange alert level was introduced!?! The next step is to introduce orange traffic lights, especially for idiots like Erdogan.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 31 January 2016 13: 56 New
        +8
        Quote: Proxima
        Especially for a "special" occasion, an orange alert level was introduced!?!

        why they were alarmed, because the territory of Turkey was not bombed and their planes were not shot down ...
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 31 January 2016 14: 16 New
          +1
          For Vita VKO --- They already warned us after the Su-24 was shot down. In Turkey, as a shooter, the main task is to block the main supply channel for the Syrian troops and our air base. In the case of an air duel, Erdogan can do this. This will slow down the pace of attack on areas of Syria that Turkey itself wants to control. And it will make it difficult for our aircraft to support the Syrian troops. And in the case of full-scale military operations on the Syrian-Turkish border, our air base is in a vulnerable position. NW will not be used in this case, because until the usual means have been exhausted, no one in the Turks will use nuclear weapons.
        2. remy
          remy 31 January 2016 20: 07 New
          0
          apparently only TARK "Peter the Great" will calm these downs
  • cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 31 January 2016 13: 36 New
    17
    They press on RUSSIA to stop supporting Syria and not bomb their terrorists. Shish them. soldier
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 31 January 2016 13: 47 New
      26
      No, the current tension is on a different occasion. There, a large convoy of TOU cookies and milk of various calibers were burned immediately after crossing the border. Bearded little children in sorrow.
  • KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 31 January 2016 13: 36 New
    +7
    I do not understand their Turks. Is it really not clear that there will be a cross-border incident at such a pace? After they abandoned good relations with Putin, they no longer shine even by military means ...
    1. figwam
      figwam 31 January 2016 13: 38 New
      28
      In the meantime, we are not sitting either, SU-35 is already in Syria.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 31 January 2016 13: 42 New
        0
        This is the 35th in the photo? They do not seem to be there ..?
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 31 January 2016 13: 46 New
          0
          Have you thrown it over? Missed ...
        2. figwam
          figwam 31 January 2016 13: 47 New
          +8
          Quote: Observer 33
          This is the 35th in the photo? They do not seem to be there ..?

          Relocated either yesterday or today, accompanied by TU-154. The situation is heating up.
        3. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 31 January 2016 13: 51 New
          +6
          messages go that - Grouping is strengthened by four Su-35
          http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_p_1221403.html#1221403
      2. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 31 January 2016 14: 05 New
        +6
        In the meantime, we are not sitting either, SU-35 is already in Syria.

        announced the transfer of NATO AWACS to Turkey

        They’ve conceived something, but they need to know that Russia will respond asymmetrically to the answer to increasing pressure, and I already guess what it is.
        In general, Erdogan can bring down NATO and send troops to Syria. And as we recall from the Georgian experience, in this case, nothing will hinder Russia from getting a little to Ankara / Tbilisi
    2. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 31 January 2016 14: 06 New
      22
      Ararat, must return to the Armenians! And then, panimash, even tourists and researchers are not allowed. The ark needs to be found!
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 31 January 2016 14: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: armored optimist
        Ararat, must return to the Armenians!

        And where do you get 10 million Kurds from these lands? After all, the lands in which the Armenians lived, now live the Kurds, not the Turks.
        1. Misha Honest
          Misha Honest 31 January 2016 14: 43 New
          +7
          Quote: Yeraz
          And where do you get 10 million Kurds from these lands? After all, the lands in which the Armenians lived, now live the Kurds, not the Turks.

          They will have to become Armenians. Although I do not think that the Kurds will be strongly opposed, given the fact that the Turks are doing with them now.
          1. kil 31
            kil 31 31 January 2016 14: 56 New
            +6
            Quote: Misha Honest
            Quote: Yeraz
            And where do you get 10 million Kurds from these lands? After all, the lands in which the Armenians lived, now live the Kurds, not the Turks.

            They will have to become Armenians. Although I do not think that the Kurds will be strongly opposed, given the fact that the Turks are doing with them now.

            But the Armenians will be against it. Slaughtered Armenians not only Turks but also the Kurds tried their best.
            1. Misha Honest
              Misha Honest 31 January 2016 15: 04 New
              +6
              Quote: keel 31
              But the Armenians will be against it. Slaughtered Armenians not only Turks but also the Kurds tried their best.

              Maybe. However, now the Kurds are being cut out, just like the Armenians before. In addition, it was the Kurds who now sheltered, feed and protect the Armenian diaspora of Syria and Iraq ... Is this not enough?
              1. Seal
                Seal 31 January 2016 20: 08 New
                0
                Have you forgotten to ask Georgians?
                Georgia claims to many lands in Eastern Turkey, which Armenia claims (well, except for Ararat itself).
                Let me remind you that it was precisely the disagreements between the Armenian SSR and the Georgian SSR over who should leave the eastern Turkish lands, which was the first reason for the delay, and then (after Turkey received guarantees from England and the USA) and the cancellation of the invasion of our army, specially concentrated for this in Transcaucasia in 1945.
                Watch from 09: 09
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmNyFx3PNwA
                1. Misha Honest
                  Misha Honest 31 January 2016 22: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: Seal
                  Have you forgotten to ask Georgians?
                  Georgia claims to many lands in Eastern Turkey, which Armenia claims (well, except for Ararat itself).
                  Let me remind you that it was precisely the disagreements between the Armenian SSR and the Georgian SSR over who should leave the eastern Turkish lands, which was the first reason for the delay, and then (after Turkey received guarantees from England and the USA) and the cancellation of the invasion of our army, specially concentrated for this in Transcaucasia in 1945.
                  Watch from 09: 09

                  Sorry, but after the Georgians staged in South Ossetia, I somehow do not care about their opinion. They had to be rolled right away in 08, as a pancake in a pan - they deserved it. request
        2. Misha Honest
          Misha Honest 31 January 2016 14: 53 New
          +5
          By the way, the homeland of the Turks is Turkmenistan. However, like Azerbaijanis. Indeed, by blood, you are one people. Aren't you ashamed of what your brothers have been doing for centuries? Nothing personal - just curious.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 31 January 2016 14: 55 New
            +7
            Quote: Misha Honest
            By the way, the homeland of the Turks is Turkmenistan. However, like Azerbaijanis. Indeed, by blood, you are one people. Aren't you ashamed of what your brothers have been doing for centuries? Nothing personal - just curious.

            Immediately inspired good
          2. Weyland
            Weyland 31 January 2016 15: 17 New
            0
            Quote: Misha Honest
            By the way, the homeland of the Turks is Turkmenistan. However, like Azerbaijanis.


            Actually, their homeland is Altai, but they must give it to me in scrap. smile
            1. Misha Honest
              Misha Honest 31 January 2016 15: 43 New
              +4
              Quote: Weyland
              Actually, their homeland is Altai,

              This is only according to the Turks themselves. That's just something in Altai and I didn’t see a trace of culture - even close to the Turks ... request Watch out, as usual.
              1. Weyland
                Weyland 31 January 2016 16: 57 New
                +1
                Quote: Misha Honest
                something in Altai and I didn’t see a trace of culture - even close to the Turks


                And what, the Turks once had own (not borrowed from Byzantium and Iran) culture? I have not heard ...
              2. Weyland
                Weyland 31 January 2016 16: 57 New
                0
                Quote: Misha Honest
                something in Altai and I didn’t see a trace of culture - even close to the Turks


                And what, the Turks once had own (not borrowed from Byzantium and Iran) culture? I have not heard ...
            2. KaPToC
              KaPToC 1 February 2016 21: 33 New
              0
              The Ottomans come from completely different territories.
          3. Yeraz
            Yeraz 1 February 2016 04: 26 New
            0
            Quote: Misha Honest
            By the way, the homeland of the Turks is Turkmenistan. However, like Azerbaijanis. Indeed, by blood, you are one people. Aren't you ashamed of what your brothers have been doing for centuries? Nothing personal - just curious.

            Well, you have one info, I have another.
            I will say one thing among the Turkic peoples there is 1 proverb. My land is where the hooves of my horse are.
            What the Armenians did and what the Kurds are doing right now, Azerbaijanis would have cut them all out. And the Turkmens would have cut them out with torment. The Kurds will finish the game. They will not cut anyone out. But there is complete e = humiliation of all Turkish and murder of the security forces. And the Turks are as soft as possible they are treating him. In Azerbaijan, all the relatives of these terrorists would be cut out, as in Chechnya. And there the terrorist’s brother, deputy and generally the terrorists, calmly harass Turkey from the stands of the state. Such things did not happen in Russia even in the best years of Ichkeria.
            1. SklochPensioner
              SklochPensioner 1 February 2016 06: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: Yeraz
              There is one proverb. My land is where the hooves of my horse are.

              That is, no hooves - no land? Need to remember smile
              Quote: Yeraz
              This did not happen in Russia even in the best years of Ichkeria.

              Oh how! Yes, you, my friend, .. kind ... "I will cut, I will beat - all the same to you to feign"?
              In other words, "best years" are when you can slaughter other people with impunity? Sorry if I misunderstood you.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 1 February 2016 19: 54 New
                0
                Quote: SklochPensioner
                Oh how! Yes, you, my friend, .. kind ... "I will cut, I will beat - all the same to you to feign"?

                What are you about???
                Quote: SklochPensioner
                In other words, "best years" are when you can slaughter other people with impunity? Sorry if I misunderstood you.

                I mean the best years of Ichkeria, when they had the power to behave impudently towards the Federal government, including cutting, killing, saying whatever they want. That is, they had maximum freedom. So the Kurds allow themselves more.
                You can imagine right now that in the State Duma there should be a party closely connected with terrorists, where the head of the party, Brother of the incumbent Terrorist, and this head of the party from the rostrum of the Duma, would say We will defeat the Russian army ??? Never in life. And this is reality in Turkey.
            2. guzik007
              guzik007 1 February 2016 10: 26 New
              -1
              How many wonderful discoveries are to us ...
              the Turks in general, as a nation, are a fusion of many peoples. And some sort of "ancestral home they have at the root. This is a cauldron where the mixed-tribe Turks and Greeks and Cossacks and other rabble of that time. From all over Asia. So" Turks-Turkmenistan ", nonsense that does not stand up to criticism.
              1. Misha Honest
                Misha Honest 1 February 2016 11: 34 New
                0
                Quote: guzik007
                How many wonderful discoveries are to us ...
                the Turks in general, as a nation, are a fusion of many peoples. And some sort of "ancestral home they have at the root. This is a cauldron where the mixed-tribe Turks and Greeks and Cossacks and other rabble of that time. From all over Asia. So" Turks-Turkmenistan ", nonsense that does not stand up to criticism.

                What are you saying? lol What is your assessment of history?
                As for the Turks-Turkmenistan, I roughly indicated the territory where the Turks came from.
                Type in the TURKEY-SELJUKI browser or here is the article: http://www.comunicom.ru/home/948-seljuks.html
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 1 February 2016 22: 03 New
                  0
                  Today's "Turks" are descendants of the Ottomans, not the Seljuk Turks
                  1. Weyland
                    Weyland 2 February 2016 19: 12 New
                    0
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    Today's "Turks" are descendants of the Ottomans, not the Seljuk Turks


                    I beg of you! If Seljuk personally came from the Oguz clan of the Kynik, and personally Osman came from the Oguz clan of the Kayi, so that all the fragments of the Seljuk Empire united by the Ottomans also turned into Kai?
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        3. Seal
          Seal 31 January 2016 19: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Yeraz
          After all, the lands in which the Armenians lived, now live the Kurds

          And maybe vice versa. The term "Hurrians", who lived on these lands long before the appearance of Armenians on them, is very much like the expression "Kurds".
          By the way, Georgia claims to many lands in Eastern Turkey, which Armenia claims (well, except for Ararat itself).
          Let me remind you that it was precisely the disagreements between the Armenian SSR and the Georgian SSR over who should leave the eastern Turkish lands, which was the first reason for the delay, and then (after Turkey received guarantees from England and the USA) and the cancellation of the invasion of our army, specially concentrated for this in Transcaucasia in 1946.
          1. Seal
            Seal 31 January 2016 21: 29 New
            0
            In 1945 year.
            Watch from 09: 09
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmNyFx3PNwA
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 1 February 2016 20: 00 New
            0
            Quote: Seal
            And maybe vice versa.

            Well, then we get to the time of Adam and Eve.
            And in fact, 3 peoples claim there. Turks, Kurds and Armenians.
            Physically, mainly Kurds live there, Armenians lived before them, and there are no other inhabitants anymore. Before that, the current center of ardent separatism in Turkey, the city of Diyarbakir, was generally the capital of the state of modern Azerbaijanis. State of Akkoyunlu. Right now, most Azerbaijanis are only in 3 major cities of this region, Kars, Igdir and Erzurum. And in the remaining regions, the majority are Kurds.
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 2 February 2016 19: 45 New
              0
              Quote: Yeraz
              the city of Diyarbakir was generally the capital of the state of the current Azerbaijanis. State Akkoyunlu


              Well, Kara-koyunlu and Ak-koyunlu can be attributed to both Turkmens and Turkoman smile
              And who is Tamerlane's nationality? He came from the mangyt family, which in our time is part of the Hungarian Kumans, Kazakhs, Karakalpaks, Crimean Tatars, Nogais, Limes (Polish-Lithuanian Tatars) and Uzbeks!
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 3 February 2016 03: 57 New
                0
                Quote: Weyland
                Well, Kara-koyunlu and Ak-koyunlu can be attributed to both Turkmens and Turkoman

                Well, who are the current Azerbaijanis and Turks? Turkmens.
                It was Stalin who decided to name the whole Turkic people as Azerbaijanis. At that time, all were Turkmens and Turks. There is no ethnic Azerbaijanian.
                Quote: Weyland
                And who is Tamerlane's nationality?

                Turkom. Just the words Türk are not in Turkic languages. All Türk xalqaları. That is, Türkic peoples.
            2. Weyland
              Weyland 2 February 2016 20: 03 New
              0
              Quote: Yeraz
              the city of Diyarbakir was generally the capital of the state of the current Azerbaijanis. State Akkoyunlu


              Well, Kara-koyunlu and Ak-koyunlu can be attributed to both Turkmens and Turkoman smile
              And who is Tamerlane's nationality? He came from the mangyt family, which in our time is part of the Hungarian Kumans, Kazakhs, Karakalpaks, Crimean Tatars, Nogais, Limes (Polish-Lithuanian Tatars) and Uzbeks!
          3. Weyland
            Weyland 2 February 2016 19: 20 New
            0
            Quote: Seal
            The term "Hurrians", who lived on these lands long before the appearance of Armenians on them, is very much like the expression "Kurds".


            Yes, but the ethnonym "Hurrians" completely disappears from the chronicles after the collapse of Mittanni (and there is no evidence that the Nairi who replaced them are precisely the ancestors of the Armenians). But in Xenophon's "Anabasis" kardukhs (Kurds) and Armenians are indicated as neighbors - 15 centuries before the appearance of the Turks in the region
          4. Weyland
            Weyland 2 February 2016 19: 20 New
            0
            Quote: Seal
            The term "Hurrians", who lived on these lands long before the appearance of Armenians on them, is very much like the expression "Kurds".


            Yes, but the ethnonym "Hurrians" completely disappears from the chronicles after the collapse of Mittanni (and there is no evidence that the Nairi who replaced them are precisely the ancestors of the Armenians). But in Xenophon's "Anabasis" kardukhs (Kurds) and Armenians are indicated as neighbors - 15 centuries before the appearance of the Turks in the region
        4. Seal
          Seal 31 January 2016 20: 20 New
          0
          Hurrians lived before the Armenians. The name of which clearly shows "Kurds" ..
    3. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 31 January 2016 15: 36 New
      +1
      "Nothing shines for them even by military means ..."

      Well, just by military means, everything is vague. Turks:
      1. Half-million army at the theater of the VD.
      2. 3,5 Thousands of tanks, albeit trash, but everyone needs to be knocked out.
      3. We may stupidly not have enough ammunition.
      4. And the situation can vividly recall the Russo-Japanese war. Yes Yes. One to one.
      We are stronger than the enemy, fed and set on us. Remote theater, with all the consequences of the problems of supply, fire support, evacuation, repair, etc.
      And the world op. Guess once who the aggressor is.
      5. Sticks to insert into our wheels will really insert everything NATI and not only.
      6. All this in history was ...
      7. Erdogan is not. Here you need to think how to get it. A rocket back and forth, this is for young men, and not for her husband.
      1. max702
        max702 31 January 2016 19: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Well, just by military means, everything is vague. Turks:
        1. Half-million army at the theater of the VD.
        2. 3,5 Thousands of tanks, albeit trash, but everyone needs to be knocked out.
        3. We may stupidly not have enough ammunition.
        4. And the situation can vividly recall the Russo-Japanese war. Yes Yes. One to one.
        We are stronger than the enemy, fed and set on us. Remote theater, with all the consequences of the problems of supply, fire support, evacuation, repair, etc.
        And the world op. Guess once who the aggressor is.
        5. Sticks to insert into our wheels will really insert everything NATI and not only.
        6. All this in history was ...
        7. Erdogan is not. Here you need to think how to get it. A rocket back and forth, this is for young people

        That's why I said that you can chew a snot, and start and end with one blow, 100 KR with a special warhead for 10-50 kt is quite enough .. That's right! Everything else is profanity. and only arousing appetite, getting involved in a long and unnecessary conflict. And then the check and checkmate, the military potential of Turkey was nullified, no one even managed to blather. We have no losses, and the troops ready for everything BUT the most important thing is that the adversary will understand that he will receive everything and everything in return and there will be no doubt about it! This is the most important result of this operation, it is after this that the review of relations will begin, and all sanctions and other sanctions will be lifted .. The enemy will understand that they have played too much, and the next stage will be HIS full zeroing, that absolutely no need to cheat so the main thing is not to chew snot, but with one blow put an end to this gadyushnik, so the chances are an order of magnitude greater than in a sluggish conflict using conventional means ..
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 1 February 2016 00: 00 New
          +1
          Not. About five years after this, the West will not talk offended.
          1. max702
            max702 1 February 2016 12: 17 New
            0
            Quote: zvereok
            Not. About five years after this, the West will not talk offended.

            Yes, where are they going! They need us more than we need them! On the contrary, the next day in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs there will be a line of ambassadors from different countries, and everyone will assure of friendship and cooperation .. Especially if one racket is planted in Erdogan’s palace .. MONEY and FEAR rule the world! Especially the fear of losing both money and life .. As long as the USA has implemented this formula, they all lick it as they can .. We don’t need licking! But to fear shitting, they were afraid (especially at the direction)!
      2. remy
        remy 31 January 2016 20: 14 New
        +1
        I do not agree!
        salvo of Two - Three Brigades OTRK Iskander will quickly sober up any enemy, even Turkey!
        72 KR in 15 minutes another 72 tons of explosives equivalent to 3,5 tons
        receives almost 150 missiles in 575 tons of explosives in two salvos
        + Black Sea Fleet
        + VKS 2 Su-34 regiment under Rostov and Voronezh = 48 units x 3 KR = almost 150 KR per departure
        this list of variations is endless !!!!
      3. KaPToC
        KaPToC 1 February 2016 22: 12 New
        0
        1 What is the use of it if Russia does not carry out ground operations?
        2 Tanks that have spent their resources do not need to be knocked out.
        3 Watching for what.
        4 You have two in geography
        5 How? What can they do from what they have not done?
        6 There have been many different events in history.
        7 You have rich young men with missiles.
    4. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 31 January 2016 17: 16 New
      +5
      They have nothing to understand. Financial tycoons (FRS) are saving their investments, they need an extreme who will be cannon fodder and a scapegoat. They found new Fuhrer, Poroshenko and Erdogan. We have a problem. With the industry that we have, our military equipment, aviation and navy especially will not last long. We should be able to build a hundred, or even two, planes per month. And we do not do hundreds a year.
  • Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 31 January 2016 13: 39 New
    +9
    I’m very surprised how the locator speaks, and even in Russian. But we don’t know how to speak Turkish and we have them painted green in green.
    1. Stinger
      Stinger 31 January 2016 14: 51 New
      +5
      The Americans have confirmed. In pure English, but Putin was at the helm. True, Erdogan spoke in the toilet, while Putin understands German. But the locator understood something! Pancake.
      Like a drunken sergeant Otto Katz, for whom Schweik served as a batman "To the honor of Mr. sergeant, be told that he did not call the barracks, since he did not have a telephone, but simply spoke into a desk electric lamp,"
      1. SklochPensioner
        SklochPensioner 1 February 2016 06: 36 New
        0
        Quote: Stinger
        he didn’t have a phone, but simply talked into a desk electric lamp


        Bravo, Stinger, i.e. Y. Hasek! laughing laughing
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 31 January 2016 13: 39 New
    +2
    Well warned and warned, warned, then armed.
  • Lepila
    Lepila 31 January 2016 13: 39 New
    +4
    The point is that we will be able to see aerial battles between the F-16 and SU-34.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 31 January 2016 13: 45 New
      11
      Quote: Lepila
      The point is that we will be able to see aerial battles between the F-16 and SU-34.

      And you are glad! After all, everyone let down ..?
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 31 January 2016 13: 57 New
        +9
        Mikhan, I personally am not happy, but the entot node will have to be untied ... I hope for our air defense and air force. Sorry, videoconferencing.
        And I also hope that someone will understand in time that it’s not worth contacting us ...
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 31 January 2016 14: 21 New
          10
          Quote: sabakina
          And I also hope that someone will understand in time that it’s not worth contacting us ...

          I hope so too ... but alas, I think you will have to BEAT! Before the Second World War, we also tried to avoid war .. (to intimidate and agree ..))) These devils of the world do not need .. They need to zero their debts, due to the war by someone else's hands! .. We will win as usual, but they will skim the cream again ! If you fight, then with the "ASPEN'S NEST OF THE WORLD", maybe then there will be a sense ... And where it is, no one knows! Washington, London ..? NO! Looking for ...
          1. bald
            bald 31 January 2016 15: 43 New
            -1
            Why look for it? It’s only going to America now (Yelstone is awakening, it seems) But Singapore, as it were, is on the sidelines from all affairs and misfortunes. It seems that everyone has moved there, the Morgan at least for sure.
    2. olegfbi
      olegfbi 31 January 2016 13: 53 New
      +5
      In general, I see nothing good in this!
    3. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 31 January 2016 14: 32 New
      0
      Then between the F-16 and the Su-30. 34 other things are full ...
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    5. flay
      flay 31 January 2016 15: 42 New
      +1
      Rather, between the F-16 and Su-35S
      Russia threw the latest SU-35S fighters to Syria. Today.
      http://warfiles.ru/show-107125-rossiya-perebrosila-v-siriyu-zveno-noveyshih-su-3
      5.html
    6. remy
      remy 31 January 2016 20: 15 New
      0
      and to the fact that the S-400 SAM will be tested in combat mode
    7. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 2 February 2016 02: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Lepila
      The point is that we will be able to see aerial battles between the F-16 and SU-34.

      Do you want F-16 vs Su-35?
  • Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 31 January 2016 13: 39 New
    10
    The main thing is that our generals are not cowardly and are prepared for everything.
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 31 January 2016 16: 11 New
      +2
      In this case, it's not about the generals. The matter is in the order. If the generals are ordered, they will answer without hesitation.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 31 January 2016 16: 50 New
        0
        Quote: abrakadabre
        In this case, it's not about the generals. The matter is in the order. If the generals are ordered, they will answer without hesitation.

        Was Putin personally not allowing the S-400 to be sent to Syria for cover until they shot down our Su-24? It is not necessary to wait for orders, but to make a decision, in case of a fighting situation, it may be too late to call the Kremlin for approval. Remember the case of a downed Korean Boeing, the head of the air defense gave the order to destroy the aircraft in the territory controlled by him without personal red tape and approvals.
        As for the generals, then remember the Second World War, 86 division commanders (major generals) were captured by the Germans, this was not the case in any country in the world.

        Distribution by years of capture of the highest military ranks:

        1941 - 66 people
        1942 - 15 people
        1943 - 4 people
        1944 - 1 people
        Drive in a search engine:
        -List of top Soviet officers captured during the Great Patriotic War-
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 31 January 2016 18: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          86 division commanders (major generals) Germans captured

          Quote: Lt. air force reserve

          1941 - 66 people
          1942 - 15 people
          1943 - 4 people
          1944 - 1 people

          Считаем: 66+15+4+1=86 человек.
          Well, our German generals also picked up: "As of October 1946, 1 German prisoners of war remained in the GUPVI camps, special hospitals of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and workers' battalions of the USSR Ministry of Armed Forces, including 354 generals, 759 officers, 352 non-commissioned officers. and a private. " http://voprosik.net/nemeckie-plennye-v-sssr/
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 31 January 2016 19: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: V.ic
            "As of October 1946, 1 German prisoners of war, including 354 generals, 759 officers, 352 non-commissioned officers and a private, remained in the GUPVI camps, special hospitals of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and workers' battalions of the USSR Ministry of Armed Forces."

            not quite so, the data vary, since in the USSR they kept records of prisoners of nationality. featured, for example, Hungarians, Austrians, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Norwegians, custodians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Czechs, Danes, Poles and others who fought on the side of Hitler.
            “The problem, however, is that these figures do not speak of the number of Wehrmacht and SS soldiers captured by the Soviet side. UPVI / GUPVI kept records of prisoners of war not by their citizenship or belonging to the armed forces of any country, but by their nationality, in some cases, and ethnicity - in others (see table). In a first approximation, the number of Wehrmacht and SS troops captured by Soviet captivity is 2 638 679 people, and together with 14,1 thousand war criminals, 93,9 thousand who did not live to be placed in the camp, and 600 thousand liberated who passed the camp, gives a figure of 3 346 679 people - which is even slightly higher than the estimate of German historians.

            It should also be noted that German prisoners of war actively tried to “disguise themselves” among other nationalities - as of May 1950, such “camouflaged captured Germans”, according to official Soviet data, were identified among prisoners of war of other nationalities, 58 people. "
            here is the link: http: //smolbattle.ru/threads/German- prisoners of war- in-SSSR.25340/

            But here again there are a number of questions. Prisoners were captured in many counter-offensives of the Red Army at the beginning and the first half of the war, and due to a certain strategic situation, many were simply not "brought" to special points, which, in view of the same situation, were not many.
            Moreover, these losses of the Wehrmacht and their allies were not included in the combat losses and were more likely to be recognized b / c. missing.
            Atomization spraying by departments, according to nat. accessories and ideological considerations in the USSR do not give a complete picture of prisoners of war during the years of the Second World War.
            For my part, I can say that communicating with many search engines and historians of the Second World War, many unknown facts are revealed by the number of Wehrmacht prisoners of war, again in a big way.
            Again, the smugglers from that side were not included in the military lists or corresponded with us, and the question was the proletariat, but the question was not fundamental, and here we were already looking into the future of New Germany!
            Ps. It is safe to say that there were significantly more prisoners of Hitler’s allies following the war results than Soviet prisoners of war, of course, excluding the Soviet civilian population. soldier
          2. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 31 January 2016 20: 26 New
            0
            Quote: V.ic
            Well, our German generals also picked up: "As of October 1946, 1 German prisoners of war remained in the GUPVI camps, special hospitals of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and workers' battalions of the USSR Ministry of Armed Forces, including 354 generals, 759 officers, 352 non-commissioned officers. and a private. " http://voprosik.net/nemeckie-plennye-v-sssr/

            Germany capitulated like Japan, I mean those countries that fought and won without capitulation.
  • kg pv
    kg pv 31 January 2016 13: 39 New
    +6
    At the same time, Russia sent a Su 35s link to Syria, probably by accident ... recourse
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 31 January 2016 15: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: kg pv
      At the same time, Russia sent a Su 35s link to Syria, probably by accident ... recourse

      Yes sir! GLONASS argued with GPS. GLONASS won!
  • newcomer
    newcomer 31 January 2016 13: 39 New
    11
    Osman has nowhere to go. goes to the end_ of its end. GDP ignores him, NATO is neutral (even with all the bad rhetoric). all that remains for him is to bend his rotten line. but it is clear to everyone that Erdogan destroyed the failed empire.
  • Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 31 January 2016 13: 39 New
    33
    "orange" level, which, formally means that a collision can occur at any moment, and that the forces must be prepared for defense and attack. "
    1. olegfbi
      olegfbi 31 January 2016 13: 54 New
      +5
      Well this (pictured) is clearly superfluous! winked
      It’s possible and simpler to manage, in which case!
  • meriem1
    meriem1 31 January 2016 13: 40 New
    14
    Now let them try to cross the Syrian border !!! I think the challenge was accepted by the Russian Aerospace Forces Command. Erdogan rushes from one extreme to another. The Turks are carrying rubbish. Why didn't they bring down the Sushka that violated the border ??? Is your gut thin? It is so easy to speak under the umbrella of NATO. And making a decision on your own is more difficult. You will have to answer for decisions. And these are not the "tomatoes" promised by Putin yet. Tomatoes they can and come off by chance. One wrong move and ... bye.
    1. ZKB
      ZKB 31 January 2016 13: 47 New
      11
      Su-34 is not so easy to shoot down, this is not an old bomber, here and in return you can get pretty good
    2. ZKB
      ZKB 31 January 2016 13: 47 New
      0
      Su-34 is not so easy to shoot down, this is not an old bomber, here and in return you can get pretty good
      1. DmitryK
        DmitryK 31 January 2016 17: 41 New
        -1
        What's so special? Not old ones will fly into it, and no one received an answer for the old one.
        1. ZKB
          ZKB 31 January 2016 20: 08 New
          0
          so old-aged missiles must overcome the still-old defense system ... and where did the Turks get old-aged ???
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  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 31 January 2016 13: 41 New
    13
    What's so surprising .... Assad presses on the Turks related to the Turks .... They yell and ask for the Ottoman "north wind".
    For the Turkish army, Erdogan urgently needs to find a "shot in Sarajevo" ... or come up with.
  • Funnels
    Funnels 31 January 2016 13: 42 New
    10
    The next provocation is brewing.
  • Jan2016
    Jan2016 31 January 2016 13: 42 New
    +3
    Trying to push Turkey and Russia between their foreheads? This is me about the statement of NATO. It is interesting, but what will happen if the Turks fly in as they fly into the airspace of Greece. And in general, how are things with the Americans in Syria? Another reconnaissance in force and an attempt to intimidate Russia in Syria is unambiguous.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 31 January 2016 13: 53 New
      +3
      Or maybe he just attracts attention? He wanted to meet with Putin, but he doesn’t even sheepish ... The voice of Erdogan crying in the desert, maybe ..?
      1. noWAR
        noWAR 31 January 2016 14: 03 New
        20
        Quote: Observer 33
        He wanted to meet with Putin, but he doesn’t even sheepish ...

        Let the fidget fidget.
  • sontinianin
    sontinianin 31 January 2016 13: 42 New
    +4
    Erdogan did not untie the Gordian knot, he decided to cut it, he was tired of waiting, he shows decisiveness with all kinds of ... But, this is where fear is hidden !!!
  • Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 31 January 2016 13: 42 New
    +2
    It is time for the Turks to turn on the "blue" alarm level.
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 31 January 2016 13: 42 New
    +7
    Yes, even if he violated, let his little stigma be washed away from the cannon, under-imperials, yoshkt. These are not in the back of the old man on the 24th to pull and close. The 34th to whom you want heaps without worrying too much.
    1. DmitryK
      DmitryK 31 January 2016 17: 43 New
      0
      What is heaping? Than?
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 31 January 2016 20: 09 New
        0
        Quote: DmitryK
        What is heaping? Than?


        From RPGs on nozzles, damn it, for those who wish, and the crew still have makars that they would not have suffered.
      2. bodzu
        bodzu 1 February 2016 07: 26 New
        0
        There is something to answer. Only, unlike the SGA and its sixes, Russia has a head and a mind. Just suspend and cut once.
  • carabiner sks
    carabiner sks 31 January 2016 13: 45 New
    +6
    It seems no coincidence that 30.01.16 announced an alarm in the anti-aircraft missile brigade near Chelyabinsk. An exchange of courtesies, however.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 31 January 2016 15: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: carbine sks
      It seems no coincidence that 30.01.16 announced an alarm in the anti-aircraft missile brigade near Chelyabinsk. An exchange of courtesies, however.

      Chelyabinsk anti-aircraft gunners are so harsh that the night does not come until the anti-aircraft gunners go to bed.
      It was a joke of humor ...
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 31 January 2016 20: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: sabakina
        Chelyabinsk anti-aircraft gunners are so harsh that the night does not come until the anti-aircraft gunners go to bed.


        They are already afraid of meteorites - one knocked out, the rest do not poke themselves.
  • wulf66
    wulf66 31 January 2016 13: 46 New
    +8
    Turkish Air Force announces highest alert level
    So what? Should we be scared? Fools ...
  • newcomer
    newcomer 31 January 2016 13: 47 New
    +8
    in Syria, su35? it is already interesting and promising.
  • Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 31 January 2016 13: 48 New
    +4
    This is the rationale for the new provocation.
    And we also need to be more careful at sea. There were already training approaches to the setup.
  • antiexpert
    antiexpert 31 January 2016 13: 48 New
    +5
    Erdogash is being pushed towards the war with the Russian Federation, with the same zeal as Hitler once drove to fight the USSR, in order to then finish off and share what remains of Turkey
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 31 January 2016 14: 15 New
      +6
      "Erdogash is pushed towards the war with the Russian Federation, with the same zeal as they once drove Hitler to fight the USSR, in order to finish off and divide what remains of Turkey"

      Chur us Bosphorus! Let's see how the Americans in the Black Sea will roam.
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      2. Weyland
        Weyland 31 January 2016 15: 22 New
        +6
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Chur us Bosphorus!


        And the Dardanelles - otherwise it makes no sense!
        Who owns the Crimea and the Straits - that dominates The Mediterranean sea!
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 31 January 2016 16: 15 New
          +2
          Definitely, only both straits and the entire Sea of ​​Marmara. And the European part will not hurt completely.
          Dream on the rights, if someone does not understand.
          1. DmitryK
            DmitryK 31 January 2016 17: 46 New
            -4
            I think the Mediterranean resorts of Antalya are more important to us, and for this the straits.
        2. KaPToC
          KaPToC 1 February 2016 22: 20 New
          0
          Giblthars are too tough for us.
  • SNEK VIPER
    SNEK VIPER 31 January 2016 13: 48 New
    +9
    the turbobamous gan.ones completely messed up the rams, the sons of the jackals and the grandchildren of donkeys - well, they don’t want to live on earth, all of them are going to hell, these corrupt hyenas
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 31 January 2016 20: 20 New
      0
      Quote: SNEK VIPER
      all of them are drawn to hell, these venal hyenas


      Home, to the base, to the SOURCES.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 31 January 2016 13: 51 New
    +7
    Israel and Saudi, together with the USA clap their hands in joy! It turned out ... hehe Russia will not fight the Turks, we have another plan! And the Turks are deer ....
    1. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 31 January 2016 13: 56 New
      +4
      Reindeer can also be beaten off. Carefully.
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 31 January 2016 14: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: Al_oriso
        Reindeer can also be beaten off. Carefully.

        In principle, yes ... When a mongrel, you kick good with your foot, she bastard runs to the owner with a screech .... And then the showdown begins real! bully
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 31 January 2016 16: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          she bastard to the owner runs with a screech.

          So you can not kick a mongrel, but bang and dig. repeat
          1. iliitchitch
            iliitchitch 31 January 2016 22: 25 New
            0
            Quote: Vladimirets
            So you can not kick a mongrel, but bang and dig.


            With the owner right away, that would not be malicious zlobich.
    2. free
      free 31 January 2016 16: 24 New
      +1
      Well, what are you like, though ... why are there deer, they are deer in Turkey
    3. Hello
      Hello 31 January 2016 19: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Israel and Saudi, together with the USA clap their hands in joy! It turned out ... hehe Russia will not fight the Turks, we have another plan! And the Turks are deer ....

      Field Marshal write more about Israel and become a Generalissimo wassat
      If this is Russia's cunning plan to impose sanctions in response to a downed plane and shot flyers, then I don’t know how Israel is, but I’m at a loss request
      1. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 2 February 2016 03: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Hello

        If this is Russia's cunning plan to impose sanctions in response to a downed plane and shot flyers, then I don’t know how Israel is, but I’m at a loss request

        What would you advise? Very curious.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 31 January 2016 13: 52 New
    0
    We'll see. In any case, it is not for us to decide.
    The crash of our plane will not be allowed
    but how?
    And yet I would not want to bring down a Turkish plane.
    For then, Turkey and NATO will have the right to retaliate.
    1. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 31 January 2016 22: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Zomanus
      And yet I would not want to bring down a Turkish plane.
      For then, Turkey and NATO will have the right to retaliate.

      Well, if THIS happens in the airspace of Syria, then they will not have any rights to anything. But we need to keep our ears sharp.
  • Andrey77
    Andrey77 31 January 2016 13: 52 New
    +5
    Russian VKS interfere with making money in Turkey (with the IG group). If you calculate how much counterfeit oil our pilots burned, there is already a liard of dollars.
  • ozon34rus
    ozon34rus 31 January 2016 13: 54 New
    +3
    Well, well, orange is so orange, but concrete steps will be?
  • LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 31 January 2016 13: 55 New
    +5
    According to the newspaper, in Turkey "there are three main levels of alarm:" white "(low probability of attack)," yellow "(there is a probability of attack) and" red "(high probability of collision or war)."

    However, “for the Air Force, an“ orange ”level is also being introduced, which, formally, means that a collision can occur at any moment, and that the forces need to be ready for defense and attack,” the newspaper writes.
    Interestingly, do they have color marking of the levels of moronism and idiocy? Find out ...
    1. viktor561
      viktor561 31 January 2016 16: 54 New
      0
      "Orange" means that the pilots themselves can attack targets without the approval of high command - something like this! - they are preparing provocations - definitely !!!
  • sgg
    sgg 31 January 2016 13: 55 New
    +7
    Turks begin to hysteria. So they understand that in Geneva at a meeting on the Syrian issue, success does not await them.
  • bmv04636
    bmv04636 31 January 2016 13: 55 New
    0
    May we conclude a military alliance with the Greeks a. And a couple of times in the Aegean Sea to land Turkish phantoms eh? Something NATO does not express, but the systematic violations by the Turks of the sovereignty of the Greeks.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 31 January 2016 13: 59 New
      +5
      What for? The Greeks of us will suck instead of the EU.
    2. KBR109
      KBR109 31 January 2016 14: 15 New
      +8
      And how do you see the military alliance of Russia with the country - a member of NATO? belay
    3. Seal
      Seal 31 January 2016 14: 46 New
      +5
      May we conclude a military alliance with the Greeks a.
      From the same series: "Maybe I should marry an English queen? And cho, I agree ...".
      In the meantime, the Greeks on their territory provide rehabilitation assistance to wounded ukrovoyok. For which Tsipras recently personally thanked Parashenko.
  • potalevl
    potalevl 31 January 2016 13: 55 New
    +8
    The Turks were ordered from the mattresses to raise a howl about the alleged violation of the Turkish border by Russian aircraft, so the mattresses confirm this alleged violation. This is another test ball from the side of the mattresses to push us with the Turks. And the mattresses are deep in the drum that this could lead to the destruction of Turkey, as the leading state in the Middle East. I think somehow.
  • Pereira
    Pereira 31 January 2016 13: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: deputy ___ watered
    Cheap move! The main thing is to attract attention, and there the bibisi will sound that the Russians bombed Istanbul!)


    They’re getting kicked. It would be better if they sat quietly.
  • Lawrence
    Lawrence 31 January 2016 13: 57 New
    +4
    They want to return Constantinople to Russia! They decided to play the war game ... Let them first count how many times they were beaten!
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 31 January 2016 14: 17 New
      +5
      return Constantinople to Russia! - But do not tell me by chance when he belonged to her (Russia) ??? wassat
      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 31 January 2016 14: 44 New
        +3
        Return to the successors of Byzantium.
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      3. Weyland
        Weyland 31 January 2016 15: 28 New
        +7
        Quote: KBR109
        And do not tell by chance when he belonged to her (Russia) ???


        Moscow - The Third Rome. This legacy of Byzantium is an undelivered dowry in due time for Sophia Paleolog! So with them still interest for 500 years! laughing

        "Wee are right. Konigsberg is really effective nowadays, but it didn’t belong to Russia. But Warsaw - prynadlazhala! "(c)
        1. KBR109
          KBR109 31 January 2016 16: 36 New
          -1
          Sorry, but this is ... EMPTY. Will you be one of the politicians? laughing
        2. V.ic
          V.ic 31 January 2016 19: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: Weyland
          "Wee are right. Konigsberg really didn’t get it over Russia now. But Warsaw did it over!" (from)

          Let's leave this quote on the conscience of the author. For four years, East Prussia was part of the RI and was returned to Frederick II by Peter III. After the "sudden" death of "parsley", Russian officials began to re-establish Russian power in East Prussia, but received a "shortcut" from Catherine II and Prussia remained German until it was conquered by Napoleon the first, who, however, suggested that Alexander be the first to take it into the Republic of Ingushetia .. Alexander Pavlovich refused.
        3. Seal
          Seal 31 January 2016 20: 41 New
          +3
          This legacy of Byzantium is an undelivered dowry in due time for Sophia Paleolog!

          Sophia (Zoya) Fominichna Palaeologus had no inheritance, including the notorious "library". Her dad, Thomas Palaeologus, the younger brother of the last emperor, himself was never an emperor and was not even called. Moreover, in addition to his daughter Zoya, he had two sons, who would have inherited some kind of inheritance, if it were. In addition, in the West at that time, the emperors recognized the descendants of those Latin emperors whom the Greeks expelled from Constantinople in 1261.
          The accidental capture of Constantinople by the Nicene Greeks in 1261 was a HUGE mistake. The gigantic city, where all the government institutions of the previously strong Nicene Empire (and instantly swollen several times), moved all the juices from the strong prosperous peasant Nicene Empire in less than 100 years. In order to keep the depraved Constantinople on the territory of the former Nicene Empire, taxes were increased many times over. The peasants were ruined. Instead of the national army of the Nicene Empire, a mercenary army began to prevail in the "revived" Byzantine Empire of the Palaeologus, for the maintenance of which money was required. European mercenaries were expensive and the Byzantine emperors began to hire Ottoman Turks. As a payment, they gave them whole areas of the former Nicene Empire, which they no longer really needed in Constantinople. After some time, almost the entire territory of the former Nicene Empire peacefully came under the control of the Ottomans.
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 1 February 2016 11: 18 New
            0
            Quote: Seal
            After some time, almost the entire territory of the former Nicene Empire peacefully passed under the control of the Ottomans.

            Who are you hanging on to? And most importantly why? "On May 29, early in the morning, the last assault on Constantinople began. The first attacks were repulsed, but then the wounded Giustiniani left the city and fled to Galata. The Turks were able to take the main gate of the Byzantine capital. they found his wounded body, they cut off his head and hoisted him on a pole. Three days in Constantinople there were robberies and violence. The Turks killed in a row everyone they met on the streets: men, women, children. Streams of blood flowed down the steep streets of Constantinople from the hills of Petra to Golden Horn." http://hram-troicy.prihod.ru/articles/view/id/1166651
          2. Weyland
            Weyland 2 February 2016 22: 42 New
            0
            Quote: Seal
            Thomas Paleolog, the younger brother of the last emperor, himself was never an emperor and was not even called. Moreover, in addition to Zoe’s daughter, he had two sons, who would have inherited some kind of inheritance, if it had been


            Of course - but right on the Byzantine throne Thomas Paleologus had, and their 3rd Ivan bought out with his sons (they were prudently preferring a sickly real dough to very, very ephemeral rights smile ).
          3. Weyland
            Weyland 2 February 2016 22: 42 New
            0
            Quote: Seal
            Thomas Paleolog, the younger brother of the last emperor, himself was never an emperor and was not even called. Moreover, in addition to Zoe’s daughter, he had two sons, who would have inherited some kind of inheritance, if it had been


            Of course - but right on the Byzantine throne Thomas Paleologus had, and their 3rd Ivan bought out with his sons (they were prudently preferring a sickly real dough to very, very ephemeral rights smile ).
        4. bodzu
          bodzu 1 February 2016 07: 33 New
          +1
          We poorly know the story: the city of Berlin in Old Slavic is a lying bear and London is in the same bosom of the river. So a lot of things used to belong to us.
      4. Weyland
        Weyland 31 January 2016 15: 28 New
        0
        Quote: KBR109
        And do not tell by chance when he belonged to her (Russia) ???


        Moscow - The Third Rome. This legacy of Byzantium is an undelivered dowry in due time for Sophia Paleolog! So with them still interest for 500 years! laughing

        "Wee are right. Konigsberg is really effective nowadays, but it didn’t belong to Russia. But Warsaw - prynadlazhala! "(c)
        1. KBR109
          KBR109 31 January 2016 16: 27 New
          +1
          This dialogue was about Lviv and Warsaw. request
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 31 January 2016 18: 30 New
            0
            I also heard the version about Lviv. But the Poles also claimed Koenigsberg (2/3 of East Prussia got it for free, but I really wanted it all)
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      5. Vadivak
        Vadivak 31 January 2016 16: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: KBR109
        return Constantinople to Russia! - And do not tell me by chance when he belonged to her (Russia) ??

        In 907 year smile
        1. KBR109
          KBR109 31 January 2016 16: 33 New
          +1
          The outskirts were ravaged by a raid and a trade agreement favorable to the Russians was concluded. Compensation paid but EVEN ATTEMPT TO STORM THE CITY WASN’T. tongue
      6. ver_
        ver_ 31 January 2016 18: 45 New
        -3
        ... Constantinople was founded by Dmitry Donskoy = Constantine the Great ..
        1. Kadex
          Kadex 31 January 2016 21: 05 New
          +3
          Quote: ver_
          ... Constantinople was founded by Dmitry Donskoy = Constantine the Great ..

          Founded by Dmitry, i.e. Konstantin ... Well, everything is correct, and the main thing is logical!laughing
          Can I find out your source of information?
        2. V.ic
          V.ic 1 February 2016 11: 27 New
          -1
          Quote: ver_
          Constantinople founded by Dmitry Donskoy = Constantine the Great ..

          Timur Shaov. Developing Fomenko. http://song5.ru
          Poor Nestor spoiled at the smoky eyes of a torch - he wrote the annals. He was old, for this reason everything got mixed up, mixed up, misinterpreted ...
          But we are cunning descendants: We know more, we drill deeper. In historical science Everything is otherwise denounced. ...
          Founded Moscow is not Dolgoruky, not even Luzhkov, which, in general, is strange. They founded Rem and Romulus - the grandchildren of the Japanese Hagan Genghis Khan.
          There was such a Chinggis, a Japanese kagan, His barbarians were nicknamed Brahmaputra, He is Alexander the Great, He is Yaroslav and he is Wise.
          In the ancient Scythian city of Paris, the Persians lived, or rather the Bulgars, Well, they are Turks and they are Not quite reasonable Khazars.
          Romulus with Rem, they are Deer with Askold, Avenged them for Igor, for his brother. The battle was on the Kulikovo field, On the site of the modern Arbat.
          They gave the heat to the Polovtsian fraternity - They were blown away until they were killed. In memory of the battle on the Arbat Casino "Metelitsa" was erected.
          In Yaroslavl, Yaroslavna is crying. In Nikolaev Nikolavna sobs. With toponymy, we’ll unroll the story. Who in Putivl rules? Ah ... well, let's forget ...
          Why are you bustling Herodotus, you still put me Gumilyov! After all, it’s clear even to the idiot that Grozny is the son of False Dmitry Donskoy.
          By the way, Grozny was not formidable in sight, He just wore a demonic dress And scared the boyars on Halloween, And they laughed: “Well, you are formidable, dad!”
          I saw a dagger on an old fresco And I realized that the Circassians discovered America - Circassian popokatepetl It means "We were not called here."
          The Egyptians could not build the Pyramids - this is a great work, So only Moldovans could plow Or, in extreme cases, Tajiks.
          Casanova was a Kazan khan And he held a harem of goals for three hundred. He was a khan, but he was not a boor, and he loved everyone with trepidation and purity.
          It’s a pity the harem wasn’t enough, the guy was like this - Forever little ... forever little ... Forever young!
          Galileo was born in Galilee - There was such a place in the Kuban. Cossacks are the ancient Jews, the Ancestors of modern Mishani.
          The ancient state of Urartu, If you look at the map now, It was formed from Uryupinsk and Tartu, And Urkagan is a ruler from Urartu.
          There was no Nero, And there was no Batu, probably, And in general - what happened before Gorbachev, On the whole, everything is very unreliable.
          Historians consider us fools, Archaeologists are always ready to cheat. Champagne was probably his Rosetta stone, I suppose, bought at the market in Biryulyovo.
          History - not hell for a ruble twenty, History needs a reevaluation, Thucydides and Tacitus thought so, They are also historians Nosovsky and Fomenko.
      7. Pomeranian
        Pomeranian 31 January 2016 21: 34 New
        0
        Quote: KBR109
        return Constantinople to Russia! - But do not tell me by chance when he belonged to her (Russia) ???

        I sing Oleg’s shield on the gates of Constantinople. ;-))
    2. DmitryK
      DmitryK 31 January 2016 17: 49 New
      +1
      It was beaten not by managers, lawyers and economists, but by Russian peasants
  • Seal
    Seal 31 January 2016 14: 00 New
    +4
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I think you need to shoot down ... They just do not calm down! We shot down our attack aircraft.

    Shoot down is not so simple. The Turks themselves now do not fly close to the Syrian border.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 31 January 2016 14: 03 New
      +2
      Technically, no problem. Only then will it be necessary to blame everything on the error in calculating the S-400, which little will be believed.
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 31 January 2016 15: 04 New
      +4
      Quote: Seal
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I think you need to shoot down ... They just do not calm down! We shot down our attack aircraft.

      Shoot down is not so simple. The Turks themselves now do not fly close to the Syrian border.

      Well this is understandable ... You can provoke it! You can do it in Greece (they like to fly there ...))) And the best thing is to place the missiles in Cuba or Nicaragua! Everything will stop right away ... (verified ..))))
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 31 January 2016 15: 52 New
        0
        Better in Cuba. And fit the "boreas". =)
      2. DmitryK
        DmitryK 31 January 2016 17: 52 New
        +2
        The brains are crowded, the fantasies are spacious.
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 31 January 2016 19: 17 New
          0
          Quote: DmitryK
          The brains are crowded, the fantasies are spacious.

          Are you talking about yourself, darling?
  • varov14
    varov14 31 January 2016 14: 01 New
    +3
    However, the ameers, bri.ty, Turks and internal "modernizers" have taxed it.
  • Yak28
    Yak28 31 January 2016 14: 01 New
    10
    And if the Turks shot down another plane? The president will again say on TV about another blow to the back, and that’s all over. Or this time there will be an adequate reaction, which I strongly doubt
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 31 January 2016 14: 06 New
      0
      Would you declare war on Turkey? Using nuclear weapons.
      1. Yak28
        Yak28 31 January 2016 15: 08 New
        +5
        I would strike with an ordinary non-nuclear missile, take off the f-16 from the airport, this incident would be exhausted, and the tomatoes would not have to be banned, and Russia would not seem humiliated. The Turks showed aggression Russia responded and everything, confrontation with NATO did not would.
        1. VP
          VP 31 January 2016 15: 24 New
          +3
          No, not exhausted. This is a military strike on the territory of a NATO member country.
          To bring down a Turk in Syria is one thing, to strike at another's territory is another.
          1. Andrey77
            Andrey77 31 January 2016 15: 59 New
            0
            Absolutely.
          2. Yak28
            Yak28 31 January 2016 15: 59 New
            +1
            And why NATO countries are untouchable, they shot down our plane over the territory of another state, and do not worry. If NATO was not afraid then it wasn’t a fig to go into Syria at all, and if you got into it, then you have to play like an adult and not stay awake.
            1. Andrey77
              Andrey77 31 January 2016 16: 02 New
              0
              Not formally shot down. Turkey did not take responsibility.
              1. Kuzyakin15
                Kuzyakin15 31 January 2016 18: 44 New
                +1
                Quote: Andrey77
                Not formally shot down. Turkey did not take responsibility.


                Well, if the Turkish president is not an official, then of course they didn’t bring down
                1. ver_
                  ver_ 31 January 2016 18: 53 New
                  +1
                  .. well, and if some UFOs fall on the entot the very airdrome for an hour? Who will have a complaint - only to Allah ..
        2. Andrey77
          Andrey77 31 January 2016 15: 56 New
          -2
          This is an attack on NATO, with all the consequences - up to the use of nuclear weapons. Turks formally in NATO.
          1. Yak28
            Yak28 31 January 2016 16: 08 New
            +3
            And then what? The Baltic states or Norway will bring down our plane, and we will continue to vigil, they are NATO. Russia has already been pissing for 25 years now, the opportunity has appeared from a lying position to kneel down, and you are afraid to offer
            1. VP
              VP 31 January 2016 16: 29 New
              +1
              No need to moan and dump everything in one pile. Erdogan has long regretted it and without bombing Istanbul.
              PS served in the army?
        3. Stas157
          Stas157 31 January 2016 18: 05 New
          +2
          In Engerlic, American aircraft are based.
    2. DmitryK
      DmitryK 31 January 2016 17: 56 New
      -2
      Our president turned all of Donbass and its inhabitants into a partisan Republic, living on help, donations and alms.
    3. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 1 February 2016 01: 27 New
      0
      We heard the President’s order - in case of a threat to our planes, immediately destroy them;
  • mr.grin19z
    mr.grin19z 31 January 2016 14: 04 New
    +5
    Turks like Ukrainians do not know what to come up with the feeling that two ghoul brothers rule countries
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 31 January 2016 14: 23 New
      +6
      Quote: mr.grin19z
      it feels like two ghoul brothers rule the countries

      They have one mom. smile
    2. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 3 February 2016 14: 08 New
      0
      Nope. One striped ghoul that does not calm down in any way, although he knows that in the classical war he has a chance against the Russians - ZERO!
      So he invents all sorts of dirty tricks and tricks hybrid. A herd led them, believes that they are power. laughing
  • armata37
    armata37 31 January 2016 14: 05 New
    +3
    The main thing is that the Turks, with their provocations, themselves do not finish badly to the "brown" level.
    I hope that everything is in order with the laundry, i.e. with supplies.
  • Koronik
    Koronik 31 January 2016 14: 06 New
    -3
    Hooray ! Well, finally, and then they went around the bush, the real case is expected and NATO is probing.
  • nrex
    nrex 31 January 2016 14: 08 New
    +8
    It's time to wind up other warheads in Caliber. Can this reason the insane?
    1. DmitryK
      DmitryK 31 January 2016 17: 58 New
      0
      I hope you first of all
      1. Volzhanin
        Volzhanin 3 February 2016 14: 15 New
        0
        Russian to the extent less sensitive to their own skin than geyropetsy and geymerikosy.
        So, by and large, we don't care. It is not in our tradition to scratch with the tongue, therefore, the appearance of the "coolness" of the gamerikos is successfully supported by the mattress.
        When the big racket begins, all of this NATO will be a spit under our feet. It’s disgusting, of course, to fight with fagots, but nobody is going to take them prisoner, if that.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 31 January 2016 14: 08 New
    +1
    oh I would not want to
  • askort154
    askort154 31 January 2016 14: 08 New
    12
    The Turks need to disrupt the peace talks on Syria. They refused to participate in them. Will be
    arrange any provocations while under the umbrella of NATO. Because how quickly the Americans confirmed
    "violation of the border" and through the NATO Secretary General made statements of support for the Turks, it becomes obvious that Erdogan received the go-ahead for further escalation of relations with Russia.
    And his "desire" to talk to Putin is also a planned bluff about trying to stop "Russian aggression" by peaceful means. Therefore, one must be prepared for sophisticated provocations not only from Turkey, but also from Ukraine. This can happen in parallel. There is only one customer.
    1. VP
      VP 31 January 2016 15: 26 New
      +1
      And no one offered them to participate in them so that they refused.
  • iouris
    iouris 31 January 2016 14: 09 New
    +3
    The right path is Erdogan. I wonder what will strike back at the airfields from which fighters take off?
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 31 January 2016 14: 13 New
      0
      Currency. We have not yet used a full package of sanctions, including the complete expulsion of Turkish citizens from the Russian Federation. So far, "only" the tourist business has been limited. That immediately affected the budget of Turkey.
      1. Valdis
        Valdis 31 January 2016 14: 51 New
        -27 qualifying.
        The Turks normally build and give us jobs, among other things.)))) Plus they dressed and shod the gray masses in the territory of the former USSR. Plus products are cheaper than from South AMERICA.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 31 January 2016 15: 07 New
          10
          Quote: Valdis Plus they dressed and shod gray masses in the territory of the former USSR.

          "Gray masses" is five! What color are you, Valdis? No, light ultraviolet, by any chance? Gospodin nofoevroopeec?
          1. Valdis
            Valdis 1 February 2016 22: 47 New
            -2
            You are stupid))))
          2. Valdis
            Valdis 1 February 2016 23: 00 New
            -1
            While you are here, your wives are ours))) Only shhh)))
          3. Valdis
            Valdis 3 February 2016 23: 58 New
            -1
            Gray mass, this is our people in the years 50-90. Then Upper Volta dressed up with missiles at the expense of the Turks and Asians)))))
        2. Weyland
          Weyland 31 January 2016 15: 55 New
          -1
          Quote: Valdis
          Turks are building normally


          "If you want to tell a story, call the Greeks;
          if you want to break - call the Turks! "(Jalal-ed-din Rumi, famous turkish saint - and the great Persian poet and theologian)
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          2. Seal
            Seal 31 January 2016 21: 22 New
            0
            "If you want to tell a story, call the Greeks;
            if you want to break, call the Turks! "(Jalal-ed-din Rumi, a famous Turkish saint - and a great Persian-speaking poet and theologian)

            Can "steal"?

            "A man will deceive the gypsies;
            A gypsy will be deceived by a Jew;
            Zhida will be deceived by the Armenian;
            Armenian will deceive the Greek;
            A Greek will be deceived only by hell
            And then, if God allows this. "

            Russian proverb recorded by Russian writer Leskov back in the 19th century.
            1. Seal
              Seal 31 January 2016 21: 35 New
              0
              The local automatic corrector works interestingly. Even Russian folk sayings rule. True, somehow partially. In the nominative case (second line) corrected, in the genitive (third line) - left unchanged :))))))))))
        3. Weyland
          Weyland 31 January 2016 15: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Valdis
          Turks are building normally


          "If you want to tell a story, call the Greeks;
          if you want to break - call the Turks! "(Jalal-ed-din Rumi, famous turkish saint - and the great Persian poet and theologian)
          1. DmitryK
            DmitryK 31 January 2016 18: 00 New
            +2
            On the theme of the site that the Greeks do not build a single tank, not a single fighter, unlike the Turks
            1. shans2
              shans2 31 January 2016 18: 23 New
              0
              Greece is still not 80 million, but almost 10 times less ...
        4. Valdis
          Valdis 31 January 2016 19: 25 New
          -5
          Why are you so wound up? a problem with potency or work? I fly to many countries, which you all can never achieve. Different people, Afghans, Turks, Syrians, Arabs. You do not understand this. Humble yourself. Drink beer or vodka, it will immediately become easier for you when in Crimea on the beach you get injured from a beer jam. With a cry! Our Crimea! I ask the cons))) they are already in your life).
        5. Seal
          Seal 31 January 2016 21: 04 New
          +2
          Turks are building normally and give us jobs among other things

          That the Turks are building normally and I agree with everything else, with the exception of jobs. Probably all the same, first of all, we give the Turks jobs in Russia.
          1. Valdis
            Valdis 4 February 2016 00: 00 New
            0
            They built us the Olympics. Our all boobs would crush
        6. Valdis
          Valdis 1 February 2016 23: 10 New
          -1
          Really, stars in the Internet, in comparison, in a minus in real life so excite you. Dirty, not shaved, groomed, the problem with money, with sex, everything solves here. Women don’t even look at you. For go with backpacks, say nonsense. Your life set a minus. And my wife running quietly to the gynecologist to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy, I understand only)
        7. Valdis
          Valdis 9 February 2016 22: 53 New
          0
          those who put pluses to each other, suck each other)
      2. Seal
        Seal 31 January 2016 14: 55 New
        +1
        So far, "only" the tourist business has been limited. That immediately affected the budget of Turkey.
        Yes, it has not really affected. After all, over 90% of our tourists came to Turkey precisely at sea from June to mid-October. Well, a little more in May.
      3. -Traveller-
        -Traveller- 31 January 2016 14: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Andrey77
        What instantly affected the budget of Turkey.

        do not bring digits?
        1. Andrey77
          Andrey77 31 January 2016 15: 09 New
          0
          Not now. The annual report will be.
          1. -Traveller-
            -Traveller- 31 January 2016 17: 33 New
            +1
            I don’t have a report on the budget, but here is what the World Bank writes:
            The World Bank (WB) lowered its forecast for GDP growth in Turkey by 0,4 percent in 2016 and by 0,2 percent in 2017.
            According to WB forecasts published in the annual Global Economic Outlook report, Turkey’s GDP growth in 2016 and 2017 will be 3,5 percent, and in 2018 it will weaken to 3,4 percent, Trend reports.
            In 2015, according to the bank, the country's GDP growth amounted to 4,2 percent.

            so that so far they have more or less everything, at least in comparison with us
      4. DmitryK
        DmitryK 31 January 2016 17: 59 New
        0
        Not affected.
    2. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 31 January 2016 14: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      I wonder what will strike back at the airfields from which fighters take off

      I wonder if there will be a retaliation at all.
      1. VP
        VP 31 January 2016 21: 16 New
        0
        Well, the United States did not start the war when Iran tied their katernikov. Nor did they start when diplomats were captured in the same Iran. And after Mogadishu, the United States did not start a war. However, judging by the flag, you should know all this well, but still for some reason you are trying to push others to fight.
        1. Votyak
          Votyak 31 January 2016 21: 47 New
          0
          It’s one thing to wet the natives, another thing is large-scale fighting: feel the difference ...
  • hartlend
    hartlend 31 January 2016 14: 10 New
    +1
    Again, the article was crookedly reposted by fans of cheap sensations. The article says the level is special or "orange". It also says that the highest level is "red". And in the title
    Quote: armata37
    Turkish Air Force announces highest alert level

    A generation of managers and watchmen.
  • Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 31 January 2016 14: 10 New
    0
    It is necessary to transfer at least one submarine to the Mediterranean Sea.
  • Diviz
    Diviz 31 January 2016 14: 11 New
    +3
    The borders are erased. The Americans found a battlefield. Now sparing no one double standards so double standards.
  • brasist
    brasist 31 January 2016 14: 13 New
    +7
    Quote: NIKNN
    I don’t know who is dumber than Erdogan or Poroshenko

    And what is there to guess at them one head of the ward and one diagnosis at all ...
    1. DmitryK
      DmitryK 31 January 2016 18: 04 New
      -5
      What to guess? Our brothers Slavs, clenching their will into a fist, rallied against us, survive, work, there are no mass protests against their power, live as they can, work, respect, like brothers.
      1. bodzu
        bodzu 1 February 2016 07: 42 New
        +1
        No, these are not our brothers and Slavs, but the geeks set by the ruling elite of the SGA.
        1. DmitryK
          DmitryK 1 February 2016 16: 16 New
          0
          Millions of Ukrainians have called geeks. Did they get them on barges from the USA?
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  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 31 January 2016 14: 15 New
    16
    It seems that something "very expensive" was smashed by our aerospace forces near the Turkish border, maybe what caravan? The Turks were afraid to shoot, but they smelled qualitatively. The poor barmaley are being bullied, and nothing can be done to help! No ammunition to be planted, no reinforcements, no wounded to be taken for treatment ... It was not for nothing that our 35s were planted, oh, not in vain. And the AWACS planes are there like. The second time we will not step on the same rake. The aggressor will be "dropped" in the best traditions of the Russian school. May they not risk it. The wrong janissary went, oh, the wrong one. The greedy and the thieving cannot be brave.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 31 January 2016 14: 19 New
      +2
      Looks like. Caravan is unlikely - there are thousands of them. Rather, a personal relative / friend of Erdogan was kneaded by the VKS.
    2. DmitryK
      DmitryK 31 January 2016 18: 11 New
      -5
      There are no problems with ammunition, reinforcements from all over the world across the Turkish and Iraqi borders, wounded in the best hospitals in Tourland. "Greedy and thieving" do not fight there, religious hard workers are fighting, humiliated and not recognized by the white race, whom we called and call "churkobes" or whatever else ...
      1. shans2
        shans2 31 January 2016 18: 21 New
        +3
        and you have blacks lynched
        1. gansik
          gansik 1 February 2016 00: 13 New
          0
          they now have blacks lynching white and not only ... laughing
        2. bodzu
          bodzu 1 February 2016 07: 48 New
          0
          Negro Negro strife.
      2. bodzu
        bodzu 1 February 2016 07: 46 New
        0
        Geeks are fighting there and not hard workers who have nothing to do with Islam.