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The National Interest: deadly invisible submarines that can drown the US Navy

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The development of the naval forces of leading countries is one of the main topics for discussion among specialists and the public. In recent years, such discussions have received additional incentive in the form of the construction of new ships and submarines for the Russian Navy. Broadcast the fleet new ships and submarines becomes the reason for the pride of the Russians, as well as the cause of concern for foreign military and experts. Among other things, all this leads to the appearance of relevant publications in the press.


The latest example of such articles is “This Could 'Sink' the US Navy: Lethal Stealth Submarines” (“They can drown the US Navy: deadly invisible submarines”), published by The National Interest 27 in January. The author of this article is Harry J. Kazianis, an expert at the Center for National Interests who deals with security issues. In his publication, the author reviewed the current situation in the field of submarine fleets of leading countries and made some conclusions.

At the beginning of the article, an American expert, not without pride, mentions that now in the World Ocean there is no such force that can compete with the United States Navy. Washington has a powerful fleet of strategic and multi-purpose submarines, aircraft carriers and other surface ships, whose teams are composed of professionals with good training. In comparison with the US naval forces, on the paper, all the fleets of other countries, such as Russia, China or Iran, lose. The author recalls that история clearly demonstrates: to enter the war with the United States is a real suicide.

The National Interest: deadly invisible submarines that can drown the US Navy


Nevertheless, according to G.J. Kazianis, official Washington will have to adjust its strategy. The development of modern ultra-quiet diesel-electric submarines has led to the fact that a country with modern submarines of this class receives a weighty argument in a hypothetical conflict.

The author acknowledges that the threat from diesel-electric submarines with enhanced stealth characteristics is not new. A similar situation began to emerge several decades ago, when various countries began to build or purchase such submarines. However, the current situation is further complicated by the development of technology. Submarines of the latest generation receive advanced anti-ship missiles, as well as equipped with the latest air independent power plants. The latter significantly increase the range of underwater travel, which seriously complicates the search and destruction of enemy submarines. All this should be considered when developing new tactics and strategies.

The events of recent years clearly show the challenge that the naval forces of the United States and other developed countries met. In this regard, it is necessary to take certain measures. G.J. Kazianis recalls that in the year 2005, a program of cooperation between the United States and Sweden began, under which the newest Swedish submarine HMS Gotland was at the US base in California for a year and participated in various events. During this time, the sailors of the two countries studied the features of the operation of such equipment, as well as identified its combat capabilities. One of the results of these studies was the conclusions about the high potential of diesel-electric submarines, which are much cheaper than nuclear submarines, but have a great combat potential.

As evidence of this, the author of The National Interest cites a rather old publication on the joint work of the American and Swedish fleets. In that article, it was assumed that the US Navy did not expect such high characteristics as the Swedish submarine showed. HMS Gotland conditionally attacked various ships and submarines of the American fleet. The boat secretly approached targets and attacked destroyers, submarines, cruisers, etc. In addition, even a breakthrough was made for the last line of the anti-submarine defense of the carrier-based strike group.

According to some data, during these exercises, combined with tests, an attack was carried out on a carrier strike group led by the newest aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76). A Swedish submarine approached the ships at attack range and made several conditional attacks. The ships of the United States Navy failed to find the "aggressor." It was noted that the HMS Gotland submarine is so quiet that it literally does not exist for detection systems.

Fortunately for the American fleet, the author notes, all of these were fully controlled experiments, which allowed us to understand the potential threat posed by promising submarines. However, not all meetings with such submarines ended well. So, in the 2006, the Chinese submarine of the 039 project (Song-class according to NATO classification) "sat on the tail" of the US aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63). For some time, the Chinese diesel-electric submarines, created, according to some estimates, with the use of foreign technology, pursued the American aircraft carrier. It was only the crew of the patrol aircraft that discovered the pursuit when the carrier group and the submarine entered the less deep-water area, and the latter was forced to reduce the depth of the dive.

Russia is currently developing new diesel-electric submarine projects that will replace existing submarines in the future. New boats, according to G.J. Casianis will be even more dangerous than existing ones. In support of this, a quote from relatively recent News.

More recently, the general director of the shipyard Admiralty Shipyards (St. Petersburg), Alexander Buzakov, said that in terms of secrecy, the promising submarines of the 677 project (Lada-class) will surpass the existing submarines. According to the head of the company, in terms of secrecy, new submarines will be better than the existing submarines of the 636 Varshavyanka (Kilo-class) project, which are already called “black holes” for their ability to move without risk of detection.

It was reported that the increase in stealth characteristics on new boats will be achieved by several main methods, including using a new coating that reduces the spread of sounds and the reflection of vibrations, as well as promising hydroacoustic systems. According to A. Buzakov, during the development of a new project, it was possible to collect a lot of valuable information that was actively used in the works. In addition, this information allowed to a certain extent to improve the existing submarines.

G.J. Kazianis recalls that Lada-class submarines are intended to protect the specified areas from ships and enemy submarines. In addition, they can perform reconnaissance tasks, conduct observations, and even ensure the work of combat swimmers. According to reports, the new air-independent power plant will allow the submarine to remain submerged until 25 days. The cruise missiles should become the basis of the 677 submarine armament complex, which will make these submarines the world's first non-nuclear carriers of such weapons.

Having considered the situation, the author of The National Interest asks the expected and logical question: how should the United States naval forces respond to the new challenge in the form of non-nuclear high performance submarines? You can start preparing for confronting such a threat with the development of anti-submarine systems. First of all, it is necessary to develop detection systems, which, however, can be used against American submarines. As an alternative solution, the author proposes to recall the proposal concerning the construction of its own ultra-quiet diesel-electric submarines. He concludes his article with a relevant question: maybe the United States should develop its own high-performance diesel-electric submarines? Asking this question, the author refers to an article by James Holmes of September 2014, in which it was proposed to consider returning to the construction of non-nuclear submarines.

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Harry J. Kazianis raised an important topic, the relevance of which is growing every year. Many countries of the world are currently developing their submarine fleet, building or purchasing diesel-electric or non-nuclear submarines. Yielding to nuclear submarines in a number of parameters, diesel-electric is cheaper in construction and operation, but at the same time it is fully capable of solving combat missions. In addition, the emergence of new technologies makes it possible to reduce the lag from nuclear submarines in terms of the duration of scuba diving or, at a minimum, bring this parameter to acceptable values.

As an example of the active development of a non-nuclear submarine fleet, one can cite the Russian program for the construction of diesel-electric submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project. Currently, an order is underway to build six such boats for the Black Sea Fleet, four of which have already been transferred to the customer. Not so long ago, it was announced that in the foreseeable future six more Varshavyanki would join the combat fleet of the Pacific Fleet. Thus, the submarine forces of the Russian Navy will grow not only due to nuclear submarines, but also thanks to diesel-electric ones.

The stealth diesel-electric submarines of the latest generations, achieved through the use of new technologies, materials and components, are noted. Due to this, as it was in 2005 and 2006, the submarine gets the opportunity to secretly approach the enemy's order at an attack distance and strike the first blow before they notice it and start attacking. This possibility significantly increases the impact potential of the submarine fleet.

The growth of the combat potential of non-nuclear submarines also contributes to the emergence of new weapons. In early December last year, the whole world saw what weapons the new Russian submarines possessed. The Rostov-on-Don submarine, located in the Mediterranean, has launched Caliber cruise missiles at targets in Syria. Thus, to perform some combat missions, the new Russian diesel-electric submarines may not even approach the target, which requires an appropriate response from a potential adversary.

In the foreseeable future, the Russian industry should present the first projects of domestic non-nuclear submarines with an air-independent power plant. As the US-Swedish exercise 2005 of the year showed, the use of such equipment greatly enhances the combat capabilities of the submarine, and in some cases almost excludes the possibility of its detection by the enemy. In combination with modern percussion systems, such a submarine will be the most serious tool for solving military and military-political tasks.

The author of The National Interest offers two ways to counter the development of a non-nuclear submarine fleet of third countries. The first involves the improvement of anti-submarine systems, which will allow detecting and finding even subtle and super-quiet promising submarines. The second response to the threat is symmetrical: it is proposed to return to the construction of non-nuclear submarines, similar to foreign models. Which way the Pentagon will choose - time will tell. Judging by recent reports, the development of antisubmarine systems looks much more realistic, but not the construction of its own diesel-electric submarines.


The article “This Could 'Sink' the US Navy: Lethal Stealth Submarines”:
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/could-sink-the-us-navy-lethal-stealth-submarines-15034
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  1. Amurets
    Amurets 1 February 2016 07: 17
    +9
    Good review. Plus to the author.
    “Judging by recent reports, the development of anti-submarine systems, but not the construction of our own diesel-electric submarines, looks and is considered much more realistic.” But for some reason, the authors of the “National Interest” forgot to mention that the United States is showing interest in the Swedish submarine of the “Gotland” type with VNEU at "Stirling" and carry out their own developments of VNEU on "Fuel cells."
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 1 February 2016 07: 47
      +4
      The National Interest: deadly invisible submarines that can drown the US Navy
      this is how many US ships do you need to drown each boat? pieces of 13-15? what
      1. Forest
        Forest 1 February 2016 10: 25
        0
        About a hundred.
      2. benjerro
        benjerro 1 February 2016 13: 13
        +8
        You need to sink only what you need to sink, and not everything in a row.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 1 February 2016 23: 36
      12
      Quote: Amurets
      The review is good.

      It's not the same for everybody. I personally do not really. And that's why.
      1. the author did not correct the American, who claimed that the 677 project
      Cruise missiles should become the basis of the weapons complex of the 677 submarines what will make these submarines the world's first non-nuclear carriers of such weapons.
      I apologize, but Klabami shot and DPL pr.877, 636. At the enemy 212 carries Harpoons ... Again, the Japanese woman "Sorryu", and the Frenchwoman "Scorpena" with the anti-ship missile system too, not to mention the Jewess "Dolpfin" ... that this is an obvious stretch.
      2. the need to take a closer look at NAPL was first announced back in the 1995 year, and not in the 2014 year.
      So on May 16, on November 1995, the assistant to the head of the National Defense Department of the Department of Budget Affairs of the American Parliament Sandy Williams addressed the subcommittee of the US Congress on naval affairs, who recommended that the Navy command pay attention to NPLs, which are 4,5 times cheaper than PLA, while possessing quite high enough TTX.
      3. Until 2005 and the voyage of Gotland, there were exercises in 2003, when the Halland nuclear submarine in a duel situation defeated the Spanish submarine submarine, and then the French submarine. She also defeated the American submarine "Houston" in the Mediterranean Sea. After that, the US Navy decided to try its hand at the PLB on a Swedish submarine.
      4. Americans worked in this direction. But the developments were sold to the Spaniards and Japanese. Now the reforming of diesel fuel is sawed, creating an electrochemical power plant without moving parts, which immediately converts chemical energy into electrical energy. We are doing this too, but we are somewhat ahead of the "exceptional" ones.
      And the question of whether NNS are needed or unnecessary is solved by the range of tasks that will hang on them. The radius of the type 677 submarine is approximately 1000 miles. Ameram - not "in the red army", but we do it just right, taking into account the submarine warfare and the closed waters of the Black Sea Fleet and BM.
      If briefly, then somehow. Yours faithfully,hi
      1. sergeschern
        sergeschern 3 February 2016 19: 17
        0
        "... Jewish" Dolpfine "..." - it is being built in Germany.
  2. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 1 February 2016 07: 20
    +5
    Each Russian carries in his pocket three of these podlools and is just waiting for the day when these submarines will have to be "released on the hunt" - and they will drown all the fleets of the world !!!
  3. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 1 February 2016 07: 27
    +2
    Is this the only remaining gyrus in the brains of Americans to start thinking?
    1. Minstrel
      Minstrel 1 February 2016 08: 51
      10
      Quote: sergeyzzz
      Is this the only remaining gyrus in the brains of Americans to start thinking?

      Simply, they still lived on the principle of Svidomo from a famous joke:
      - We are gouging the Russian fleet to smithereens!
      - And if they are us?
      - And what for us? laughing
  4. shinobi
    shinobi 1 February 2016 07: 31
    +3
    DEPL has one more advantage over nuclear submarines, they do not need specialized piers for those maintenance of movers. Any suitable marina is suitable for the fairway.
    1. kote119
      kote119 1 February 2016 07: 46
      +5
      Now the piers are the same, there is no additional equipment for servicing the power plant.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 February 2016 08: 13
    +1
    Matrasia basically did not build diesel boats for many decades. Even if they want to build, it will not work quickly, and pride will not allow them to buy a license.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 1 February 2016 08: 57
      10
      The construction of non-nuclear submarines is more likely due to the financial capabilities of the state. We built them due to the fact that such boats were delivered to the allied countries. And if you build such submarines, then why not have yourself in the fleet. At least in order to develop their own technologies and improve their submarines based on a comparison with conventional ones.
      Americans with their printing press can afford extremely expensive "toys". Moreover, the very geographic location of the United States between the two oceans forces to build ships with a good cruising range. And a number of seas around our country do not exclude the use of diesel engines, which is much more economical. So, in terms of operational capability, diesel submarines are quite relevant. Chasing the Premier League at depth may not work, but the chances are very high to play cat and mouse and win.
      So there are many factors that play a role in the adoption of a particular type of submarine
      Personally, my opinion hi
      1. aiw
        aiw 1 February 2016 19: 41
        +1
        A pack of diesel-electric submarines built for the price of one nuclear submarine always butts this nuclear submarine and even poschmirit additionally.

        GAS and weapons are then comparable, if ballistic missiles are not taken into account.
    2. Forest
      Forest 1 February 2016 10: 27
      -3
      In the US, DPS is simply not needed - they will not have enough autonomy to cross the ocean.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 1 February 2016 11: 28
        10
        Quote: Forest
        In the US, DPS is simply not needed - they will not have enough autonomy to cross the ocean.
        German submarines crossed the Atlantic and into the war
        1. Forest
          Forest 1 February 2016 13: 42
          +3
          The nuclear submarines are better suited for this role, and the task of the nuclear submarines is to defend the coast, inland seas, etc. The United States has its first defense lines thousands of kilometers from its borders.
        2. core
          core 1 February 2016 13: 53
          +3
          half way in the surface condition. (or maybe the main path was covered in the surface state)
          1. aiw
            aiw 1 February 2016 19: 45
            +1
            Snorkel to the rescue.
            1. Forest
              Forest 1 February 2016 22: 25
              0
              Why do we need all the tricks with the DPL, if there is an atomic ship, which is much more autonomous and ultimately simpler than a huge diesel engine with huge fuel reserves?
  6. vdovinab
    vdovinab 1 February 2016 10: 05
    +1
    Blah blah blah give me money. Carbon paper. You only need to replace the ship-tank-plane-rocket in the right places.
  7. Morf
    Morf 1 February 2016 10: 21
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Matrasia basically did not build diesel boats for many decades. Even if they want to build, it will not work quickly, and pride will not allow them to buy a license.


    accused of violating the environment, impose sanctions and fines - and get a freebie, an example of Israel and Germany to help!
  8. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 1 February 2016 11: 17
    -1
    Another "hurray" article, no more. The American fleet is the strongest in the world with a colossal anti-submarine component. The fact that they really assess the threats from their potential adversaries, and do not indulge themselves with "capricious" articles and do not "rest on the throne" is only a plus.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 1 February 2016 11: 30
      0
      They cut the budget for them - and there are articles about the mighty Russian submarines. But in fact, you can put it in one phrase - give pennies!
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 1 February 2016 14: 30
      +3
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Another "hurray" article, no more. The American fleet is the strongest in the world with a colossal anti-submarine component.

      I wouldn’t think so. The Americans know how to count money and, therefore, look at the submarines from VNEU. They pierced heavily, underestimating the missile boats with cruise missiles. There are a number of armament projects and therefore are now closely following new developments. So you appreciated this opus, as a cheer article, yes there is that. But mostly the statements of the Americans are true.
      << Harry J. Kazianis raised an important topic, the relevance of which is growing every year. Many countries around the world are currently developing their submarine fleet, building or purchasing diesel-electric or non-nuclear submarines. Yielding to nuclear submarines in a number of parameters, diesel-electric ones are cheaper in construction and operation, but at the same time they are quite capable of solving the assigned combat missions. In addition, the emergence of new technologies makes it possible to reduce the lag behind nuclear submarines in terms of the duration of diving, or, at least, to bring this parameter to acceptable values. >> This is the essence of the article. Moreover, the latest nuclear submarines from the Americans are very expensive.
    3. Colonel
      Colonel 1 February 2016 17: 24
      +3
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Another "hurray" article

      And what is the "shapkozakidatstvo" article, do not explain? That "Rostov" shot "Caliber"?
  9. shans2
    shans2 1 February 2016 12: 31
    +2
    A Chinese submarine recently defiantly surfaced 4-5 miles from a US aircraft carrier, before that he had not stupidly heard or seen it, the entire warrant was down the drain, and all exercises conducted show the destruction of aircraft carriers from the Dutch and Swedes to the Indians .... because Do not tell the great anti-submarine component of the United States. They sweat right - diesel submarines are death to them.
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  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 1 February 2016 12: 36
    +3
    The Americans should also start building stealth mini submarines.
    There is no other way out.
    In the composition of the AUG you need to include a fairly fast
    (so as not to lag behind at the maximum speed of the aircraft carrier) dock ship,
    under the short base are several torpedo mini-submarines,
    fighter enemy small submarines.
    They should guard the aircraft carrier around the perimeter underwater.
    1. xtur
      xtur 1 February 2016 13: 51
      0
      > They have to guard the aircraft carrier under the water.

      It is unlikely that a diesel submarine possesses a better hack than a nuclear submarine, and to detect another diesel submarine, a good hack is needed in the first place. If in the existing conditions the audibility of the boat approximately coincides with its visibility, then the perimeter should consist of almost a hundred of their own diesel-electric submarines in several tiers.

      To protect AUG from DEPL, it is necessary to use active systems such as sound radars.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 1 February 2016 17: 05
        +1
        This can be combined: and speakers,
        and small diesel-electric submarines fighters. Then DEPL is not needed
        much, but the enemy DEPL can be quickly attacked under
        water
        An aircraft carrier is the most vulnerable from below - mines, torpedoes. Even the explosion is about
        side breaks the body with a hydro-shock.
        Accordingly, the protection system should be under water. Including
        and mini sub. But they need a floating dock base.
        And it’s wiser to use submarines as a means of attacking enemy ships,
        not to protect an aircraft carrier.

        Powerful lithium batteries and water jet screw replacement allow
        DEPL move on electricity completely silently for a long time,
        turning them into an extremely dangerous adversary.
        1. pl675
          pl675 1 February 2016 19: 03
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          This can be combined: and speakers,
          and small diesel-electric submarines fighters. Then DEPL is not needed
          much, but the enemy DEPL can be quickly attacked under
          water
          An aircraft carrier is the most vulnerable from below - mines, torpedoes. Even the explosion is about
          side breaks the body with a hydro-shock.
          Accordingly, the protection system should be under water. Including
          and mini sub. But they need a floating dock base.
          And it’s wiser to use submarines as a means of attacking enemy ships,
          not to protect an aircraft carrier.

          Powerful lithium batteries and water jet screw replacement allow
          DEPL move on electricity completely silently for a long time,
          turning them into an extremely dangerous adversary.


          oh wei.
          do not make noise with this "water cannon", which in our kibbutz was just a nozzle, and yes, it does not do a water cannon at all.
          1. spravochnik
            spravochnik 2 February 2016 10: 25
            0
            You are mistaken, my dear. On the submarine pr.877V Alrosa is precisely a water washer, and not a screw in the nozzle. See the photo.
  11. Idiot
    Idiot 1 February 2016 13: 18
    +4
    The next step will be superstels submarines - after immersion, dissolve in the ocean forever
  12. su navy
    su navy 1 February 2016 14: 57
    0
    And what is the cost of human effort? They were famous fans. And what good was it when, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Polar "diesel" for a month chapped on the BS in the Mediterranean?
  13. Gunther
    Gunther 1 February 2016 14: 57
    0
    ... going to war with the USA is a real suicide.

    Surrounding Russia with NATO bases and threatening is a real suicide.
    First of all, for fools who placed Pendoshkan bases on their land)))
    ... maybe the United States should develop its own high-performance diesel-electric submarines?

    The right move, having successfully cut the budget for "combat lasers", you can arrange a new buffet table.
    The main thing here is to search for a "threat")))
  14. silver_roman
    silver_roman 1 February 2016 15: 29
    0
    how's Lada doing? Who is in the know? What about VNEU? unfinished still that ...
  15. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 1 February 2016 18: 27
    0
    DPLs seriously lose to the Premier League in speed, and the duration of its retention is not comparable at all. Until this problem is resolved, there can be no question of any targeted search, escort and interception of nuclear submarines. We do not consider the experience of various "teachings", since this is an artificially created situation where the DPL and the Premier League are in the same place, and both know it.
    1. aiw
      aiw 1 February 2016 19: 43
      0
      Why DEPL speed? Great concealment is the inevitable noise. The task of diesel-electric submarines is to sneak quietly and wait for the adversary, here rather ambush tactics.

      In 3MB, everything will be decided in a day, probably, here autonomy is not so important, if it is not SSBN.
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 2 February 2016 14: 28
        0
        The ocean is big, you can wait all your life for an adversary in an ambush and not wait for anyone. The article about the fact that the Premier League is a hellishly dangerous enemy for the Premier League, I do not agree with this. DPL is protecting the coast from landing ships, setting minefields, lighting the situation in the narrowness and approaches to the bases, and now also the KR’s strikes. Obviously, there can be no talk of any deliberate struggle against enemy nuclear submarines in the places of their patrol.
  16. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 1 February 2016 18: 50
    0
    They probably already regret having sold sea and air-based missiles at STARTx ...
  17. iouris
    iouris 2 February 2016 16: 14
    0
    Reprints of Western media should be treated critically. All the time, someone is mortally threatening the United States. Recently, enemies have been mostly invisible and inaudible. Frankly speaking, nonexistent. It follows from Obama’s speech that the United States is the best.