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Armored car "Barys" can replenish the arsenal of the Kazakh army

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The Armed Forces of Kazakhstan may soon receive new armored vehicles of domestic production "Barys", reports MIC with reference to the Ministry of Defense of the Republic.




“Barys armored wheeled vehicle” is a product developed by the local plant Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering. The armored vehicle body provides protection from landmines, improvised explosive devices, side blasts and RPG attacks, ”the release says.

It is noted that the armored car “weighing tons in 22,5 is mobile and, depending on the tires, can reach speeds of up to 110 km / h. The machine can be used as an armored personnel carrier, or as a highly efficient BMP when installing a combat module with an automatic gun with a twin machine gun. "

The machine accommodates "driver, commander, gunner and eight fully equipped infantrymen, with weapons, ammunition and equipment ".

As stated in the ministry, “when the ground forces need this type of military equipment, an armored car can be put into production and will replenish the arsenal of military equipment of the Kazakh army.”
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  1. igorek4515
    igorek4515 25 January 2016 18: 07
    +8
    Pretty interesting machine .. True, I honestly say the first thing I hear about it myself .. So essentially I can’t say anything ..
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 25 January 2016 18: 27
      23
      I am glad for the Kazakhs, it is planned that Astana will produce 3 types of armored vehicles: Marauder armored vehicle of the MRAP class with a 4x4 wheel arrangement (Kazakh name "Arlan");
      Police armored vehicle Maverick with 4x4 wheel arrangement (Kazakh name "Nomad");
      Mbombe armored personnel carrier with enhanced mine protection with 6x6 wheel arrangement (Kazakh name "Barys"). hi
      1. Alexey131
        Alexey131 25 January 2016 19: 11
        +5
        Quote: vovanpain
        Glad for the Kazakhs

        Why do Kazakhstan need Mraps? Really there partisans wound up?

        Here are the words of Nazarbayev, uttered by him at the recent Kazakh-Turkish business forum in Istanbul: “After the last Kazakh khan was killed in 1861, we were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union. For 150 years, Kazakhs almost lost their national traditions, customs, language, religion. ”

        KAZINFORM: http://www.inform.kz/rus/article/2502148
        1. Maxom75
          Maxom75 25 January 2016 20: 44
          12
          They have little choice, either under the Russians and you can say what you think, either under the Chinese and the Kazakhs will disappear as a people in a couple of decades, by the way no one will speak to them and will not listen.
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya 26 January 2016 07: 05
            +2
            Well, then why lie or give your fantasies for reality?
            Information:
            "In the 1930s, there were about 800 thousand Kazakhs in East Turkestan, of which by the 1950s, as a result of uprisings and the subsequent exodus of Kazakhs to India, about 100 thousand died. [11] According to Chinese sources, in 1937-1943 in There were 4 people in Xinjiang, of which 360 were Kazakhs [020], but by 930, according to the 12-1953 All-China Census, this number had dropped to 1953 (1954% decrease) [421].
            According to the official data of the 2000 census, the number of Kazakhs in China was 1250 thousand people [10], and in 2010 the number of Kazakhs reached 1 people [462]. "

            Something, the Kazakhs, even in China itself, would not have disappeared, but even I would say on the contrary increased in numbers ...
            1. Maxom75
              Maxom75 26 January 2016 19: 45
              -1
              And I didn’t even think of lying, as soon as you fall under China, you are forced to forget your language, the Kazakh will never become the President or Prime Minister of China. China is by no means a paradise; do not flatter yourself. Exactly as long as China looks apprehensively at the United States and Russia, as soon as China gathers strength, it will be cooler than Nazi Germany. Tolerance in Chinese society is not up to par. Although I personally have a very positive attitude towards the Kazakhs, I really like the people and the country and I am for closer cooperation and friendship.
              1. Aposlya
                Aposlya 26 January 2016 20: 32
                +1
                Then maybe explain that phenomenon with the Kazakhs in China? Somehow they did not become Chinese, because judging by your logic in China, they would have come from Ambans, and this is not even mentioned!
                This is where the article came across, an excerpt from the article regarding the attitude of the authorities to the Chinese Kazakhs (article back in 2012 ... http://www.altyn-orda.kz/kazaxi-kitaya…v-proshlom-i-nastoyashhem.../):
                "And, finally, and most importantly, the iron rule of Chinese demographers" one family - one child "does not apply to Kazakhs, as well as to other representatives of small peoples inhabiting China.
                And also about the attitude of the Chinese towards the Kazakhs. Local Kazakhs recall the following incident. A certain regional bastyk, or akim in our opinion, as a result of some machinations managed to take away the land belonging to them from one hundred forty-six families of Kazakh livestock breeders. Then reselling it to the Han people. They already managed to build houses when the scandal broke out. It came to a fight between local Kazakhs and Chinese new settlers. So far, the central authorities have not intervened in the conflict. And here's the bottom line. The land trader received a long prison sentence, and the houses of the Han people that had been illegally built on foreign land were demolished. Justice has been done. "

                I repeat once more - fantasize less, do not demonize the Chinese ... Otherwise you will scare yourself more to the point of colic! hi
        2. Talgat
          Talgat 26 January 2016 19: 20
          +1
          Quote: Alexey131
          Why do Kazakhstan need Mraps? Really there partisans wound up?


          Just the same "partisans", or call it what you want - but I mean the irregular formations of bearded men are a threat from beyond the southern borders of Central Asia

          All these S-300 and Sukhoi, tanks, etc. are good, but "anti-guerrilla" troops may turn out to be more important - with just such equipment, because there are opinions that Kazakhstan will not have to fight with a heavily armed regular army like NATO, because NATO is unlikely to reach us through Russia (unless, again, as in 1941, "near Moscow" is thrown as a reserve)
      2. lukke
        lukke 25 January 2016 22: 47
        -1
        On horseradish goat button accordion? For domestic needs to develop a whole separate production? So there are no such needs! If you are going to compete in the global market? and they were given it - and yes there are no advanced technologies there. Yes, and in appearance - to put it mildly, for an amateur). It would be better to improve agricultural machinery - how is Tselinogradselmash, Pavlodar tractor, etc.?
      3. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 26 January 2016 15: 27
        +1
        Quote: vovanpain
        I am glad for the Kazakhs, it is planned that Astana will produce 3 types of armored vehicles: Marauder armored vehicle of the MRAP class with a 4x4 wheel arrangement (Kazakh name "Arlan");


        Here I like this "Marader" purely outwardly. Fishing and hunting is something! laughing good
        1. Aposlya
          Aposlya 26 January 2016 20: 34
          +1
          Yes, and the machine gun will fit - you can reel a fishing line and use it instead of donka ... laughing
  2. Amulet
    Amulet 25 January 2016 18: 08
    +6
    Cute, in my opinion.
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 25 January 2016 18: 15
      15
      In honor of the Eltsin, they probably named "barys".
      1. avdkrd
        avdkrd 25 January 2016 19: 46
        +4
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        In honor of the Eltsin, they probably named "barys".

        Very smiled. I recalled the verses from the demobilization album of my colleague and Kazakh by nationality:
        snow white
        series
        cracked winter
        (original spelling)
      2. homedition
        homedition 25 January 2016 20: 36
        +1
        Maybe the Germans?
      3. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 25 January 2016 21: 40
        +1
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        In honor of the Eltsin, they probably named "barys".

        In honor of Eltsin it was necessary to name "Kumys" laughing
      4. Aposlya
        Aposlya 26 January 2016 07: 06
        +2
        Barys is translated into Russian as Bars. The very Russian word Bars is Turkism.
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  3. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 25 January 2016 18: 10
    +2
    Little information on it.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 25 January 2016 18: 21
      16
      This is South African "Mbombe".
      1. Vladimyrych
        Vladimyrych 25 January 2016 18: 25
        +2
        Well, I thought so ... Not my own development.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 25 January 2016 18: 42
          17
          South African development - hence the Paramount in the name of this joint venture. Engines and hodovka (I don’t remember exactly) KAMAZ engines, Russian weapons. 50% of components from the CIS (read the Russian Federation, KAMAZ employees have already visited the plant and gave the go-ahead). There is already an order from Jordan for 50 cars.
          If only it would not die out again. I think that Tasmagambetov, as a strong business executive (the head of the Defense Ministry, the former akim of Almaty and Astana) will bring the matter to mind. hi
          1. avt
            avt 25 January 2016 18: 49
            +5
            Quote: Kasym
            South African development - hence the Paramount in the name of this joint venture
            Well yes - they localized production within the framework of the joint venture and the result was the Mbombbe / Barys variant. This is normal, which means the South African cling to the production site.
            Quote: Kasym
            If only it would not die out again.
            But in connection with stalled - an interesting point
            The Ural Civil Aviation Plant (UZGA) has entered into an agreement with the European aircraft manufacturer Airbus Helicopters on the licensed assembly of light twin-engine H135 helicopters (formerly EC135 T3 / P3), Interfax writes. It is expected that the plant will put kits for the manufacture of four sides.

            As ATO.ru explained a source in the industry, the assembly of H135 in Russia will significantly reduce their cost. If finished aircraft are subject to an import duty of 15,7%, when importing sets, its value is 3-5%.

            The UZGA will also assemble Arrius 2B2Plus turboshaft engines, which are equipped with the H135. The plant signed a corresponding agreement with their manufacturer - the French company Turbomeca (part of Safran).

            ATO.ru announced at the end of 2015 that UZGA would be engaged in the assembly of light helicopters Airbus Helicopters. It is expected that their production will become one of the projects that will allow the plant to get a place in the special economic zone (SEZ) of the industrial production type "Titanium Valley "located in the Sverdlovsk region. It is worth noting that the world's largest titanium producer VSMPO-Avisma, whose products are used in aircraft construction, is a member of this SEZ.
            But after all, something like Bus Vertocrails was going to do earlier in Kazakhstan! What is the fate of that project then?
            Quote: Kasym
            stalled.

            ????? request If so, I wonder why? what
            1. 33 Watcher
              33 Watcher 25 January 2016 19: 03
              +1
              Hmm ... And the sanctions didn’t interfere? belay
            2. Kasym
              Kasym 25 January 2016 19: 13
              11
              Eurocopters are still going. Even for Ambulance deliver. Ministry of Emergencies and city services.
              Collected Turkish, but I'm afraid it died out. RF started the Tigers (and others) to do. About 15 years ago this class was relevant. Presumably ours therefore began to collect it.
              And this Barys is nothing. A heavy armored personnel carrier, with an anti-mine bottom design - there isn’t in the Russian Federation yet, so ours have broken. South African men, well done, quickly worked out options for unification with Russian suppliers. A couple of years and please. Recently shown on the box. An interview was given by some Yarovets, he says everything in a bundle. The first cars went. They showed laser welding and assembly shop.
              There is an option with 8 * 8, but they said that work is underway with KAMAZ. And the modules are all Russian - this is unique. Therefore, there is hope that demand will be. They talk about a hundred cars a year. But as it seems, maybe more. Moreover, we have a KAMAZ site, KAMAZ trucks are the most common among us. So there is experience and personnel. Therefore, I hope it can work out. Moreover, in the south of our armored personnel carrier is preferable. There is not so much snow, wheels (especially 6 * 6) just right. hi
              1. avt
                avt 25 January 2016 19: 30
                +3
                Quote: Kasym
                And this Barys is nothing. A heavy armored personnel carrier, with an anti-mine bottom design - there isn’t in the Russian Federation yet, so ours have broken.

                hi what Not - they just hurried up in time, before ours promoted something more or less comparable to the Typhoon program. Again, like the South African people with the Indians at the Ural base, they did the MRAP, they are generally initiators of this topic and from here it is easier for them in terms of to introduce changes in the design
                Quote: Kasym
                quickly worked out options for unification with Russian suppliers.

                Quote: Kasym
                Eurocopters are still going. Even for Ambulance deliver. Ministry of Emergencies and city services.

                But couldn’t they get into the Russian market even with sanctions, even within the framework of the EAEU? The Germans did a pretty good car in their class. They preferred them in the Ministry of Emergencies even when they were called Messershmity Belkov Blom. Wasn’t NAS capable of reaching such a lobbyist for the brand? wassat Hike, friend Silvio "with" Augusta "collected in the suburbs of the Polovcha turned out to be. Cosa nostra ponimasbully
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 25 January 2016 19: 58
                  +7
                  Can Europeans make a lot of money in a foreign market - is the profitability very low ?!
                  And on the APC - the Russians can not worry. 100 cars a year is 1 (with crews) fighters. It is not enough. Only years ... you need to equip yourself. Then they said that this car will go to the citizen. sector (100 * 4) - Ministry of Emergency Situations, foresters, etc. .. So that would provide itself. I am pleased with the unification with the growing. accessories.
                  Well, a high-ranking official is probably behind such a project, otherwise you will not see budget money. Do not go to the fortuneteller. "Close to the body". hi
                  1. avt
                    avt 25 January 2016 20: 22
                    +4
                    Quote: Kasym
                    Can Europeans make a lot of money in a foreign market - is the profitability very low ?!

                    request Well, they climbed the Urals .... Although it is a pity that the Kamovites did not manage to get into the flight model from the Ka-115 modelrecourse Only Ka-226 pushed through. And also a beautiful device turned out, but .... request the campaign is real and with engines the question, and probably more coaxial, would probably be .... But it makes no sense to guess - money simply was not allowed to continue at least until the flight model, strangled in the bud.
                    Quote: Kasym
                    And on the APC - the Russians can not worry.

                    what If on the APC, then there is something to worry about. So far we are stupidly driving 80s. Even SMRs "Typhoons" only went to the troops for a trial, and to the explosives too. So we cannot provide ourselves with anything else for export.
      2. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 25 January 2016 19: 01
        +6
        Well, of course! And I look at the photo and remember, I can’t, somewhere I have already seen it. By the way, South Africa over the past 15 years have given very interesting gizmos. It should very well, a good machine will turn out if the components are carefully selected. Well, good luck to your neighbors!
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 25 January 2016 18: 11
    +2
    22 tons, it’s good to see protection. But the speed is 110, is it pull from an RPG? So there is not speed needed, but specific power, it seems.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 25 January 2016 19: 02
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      power density

      Power density for what?
  5. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 25 January 2016 18: 14
    +6
    In their barys, and in our leopard, we don’t need a translator. smile
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 25 January 2016 22: 02
      -3
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      In their barys, and in our leopard, we don’t need a translator. smile

      I put you a minus for spelling, there is no such word in Russian theirs there are words their.
  6. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 25 January 2016 18: 21
    +8
    Kazakhs, I'm glad that you build the equipment yourself, God forbid, successful, and if not, experience comes with time! But there is one nuance - the word "ferry" does not sound in your language - find a replacement for it - no place in your company name for someone else's words ...
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 25 January 2016 19: 16
      +6
      A joint venture with a South African company, their development - is considered by experts to be a successful machine. hi
      1. aba
        aba 25 January 2016 23: 19
        +1
        JV with South African company

        Be that as it may - new jobs, but in our time it is already good!
  7. kvs207
    kvs207 25 January 2016 18: 22
    +7
    Kazakhstan - Respect good
  8. Pig
    Pig 25 January 2016 18: 27
    +4
    "Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering")))
    OH GOD ... that this "local development" is suspiciously similar to copy-paste
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 25 January 2016 18: 34
      13
      Quote: Pig
      "Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering")))
      OH GOD ... that this "local development" is suspiciously similar to copy-paste

      The wheeled armored vehicles factory is a completely private production sold by the National Company Kazakhstan Engineering JSC, Kazakhstan Engineering Distribution LLP and the Paramount Group company from South Africa, with a total investment of 7 billion 80 million tenge, the general director said Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering Yerbol Salimov at the opening of a plant in Astana. South Africa helped hi
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 25 January 2016 18: 34
      +9
      The license is above the original Mbombe video. It's normal that they take a license, a pretty good platform, not very publicized, and as a result without a crazy price increase.
    3. NDR-791
      NDR-791 25 January 2016 18: 39
      +4
      Nothing terrible has happened yet. People try to learn from the mistakes of others. In OUR history, this happened more than once and not even ten times (from TU-4 to active armor). They need to work out exactly the production, even if at the expense of "some kind of engineering". It's really cheaper than starting from scratch. The main thing here are two facts - the development of the production of a light modular armored personnel carrier, and at the same time the parallel protection of our borders.
    4. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 25 January 2016 18: 41
      -3
      Kazakhstan is abroad! And these there too! wassat
  9. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 25 January 2016 18: 29
    18
    Beautiful car. As for whether this is its own development or licensed production, the soldier on the battlefield is less interested in this.
    1. alone
      alone 25 January 2016 18: 48
      +7
      Beautiful car. As for whether this is its own development or licensed production, the soldier on the battlefield is less interested in this.

      Greetings to Aron, South Africa generally takes a leading place in the production of such armored infantry fighting vehicles. Our companies also produce MDRs of 2 types for the needs of the Armed Forces. Very high-quality machines.
  10. Humpty
    Humpty 25 January 2016 18: 38
    +1
    Protection against RPG attacks, is it a literary metaphor or how ... Maybe this in the sense of not approaching the range of the shot what
  11. CRASH
    CRASH 25 January 2016 18: 43
    +3
    Why ours did not buy? We are in the CSTO, CIS, etc. etc.
  12. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 25 January 2016 18: 43
    +4
    Well done Kazakhs, there is production, there are jobs, and money remains in the country.
  13. cte-power
    cte-power 25 January 2016 18: 44
    +7
    Kazakhs are our friends and allies
    it was useful that ours and their equipment be unified by units and assemblies
    South Africa is far ...
    1. Talgat
      Talgat 26 January 2016 19: 28
      0
      Yes, at the top Kasym already wrote:

      "... Engines and hodovka (I don't remember exactly) KAMAZ, Russian armament. 50% of components from the CIS (read RF, KAMAZ employees have already visited the plant and gave the go-ahead). There is already an order from Jordan for 50 vehicles.
  14. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 25 January 2016 19: 12
    +1
    "Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering" - the name of the test :) It would be better if they called themselves in Kazakh, otherwise "New-Vasyuki Limited Edition Special" is what happened :)
    1. Talgat
      Talgat 26 January 2016 19: 29
      0
      Kasym already wrote at the top look - that this is a joint venture with South Africa and therefore the name
  15. Megatron
    Megatron 25 January 2016 19: 15
    +1
    What a sly squint at the armored car))))
  16. Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 25 January 2016 19: 17
    0
    You can be happy for South Africa, but not for Kazakhstan, all the same one of the largest countries in the world, you need to somehow create your own or together.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 25 January 2016 19: 38
      +7
      So this is a joint venture. There are KAMAZ engines and platform (4 * 4 and 6 * 6), weapons modules from the Russian Federation (so Russian companies are interested). We can only be glad that the South African people unified everything so quickly and built a plant with ours in a couple of years. Also, I do not think that the armor plates are being brought from South Africa. Technology, equipment, the very design of the car from South Africa. The rest was "looked for" in the CSTO countries - it is very costly to drag from southern Africa to the center of Eurasia. The office is "private" (one of the bureaucrats is behind this) - so let them "sweat" for the profit themselves wink .
  17. buzerrezub
    buzerrezub 25 January 2016 19: 47
    +1
    it was like there was an article in the VO about Kazakhstan's Marauders, they still kind of wrote about the Jordanian order.
    1. alone
      alone 25 January 2016 19: 57
      0
      Quote: buzerrezub
      it was like there was an article in the VO about Kazakhstan's Marauders, they still kind of wrote about the Jordanian order.

      I don’t know about Kazakhs, but there was an article about Azerbaijani Marauders and Matadors
  18. From Samara
    From Samara 25 January 2016 19: 51
    0
    China will not stop ...
  19. gladcu2
    gladcu2 25 January 2016 20: 44
    -1
    It is better for Kazakhs to join the Russian military platform, with production in a good percentage on their own territory.

    Russia is a military ally and leader of the region. Differences in armament will lead to disaster in supply in a potential conflict.

    Everyone knows that the Kazakhs are afraid of China. Then you need to integrate with an ally. This garbage is your technique.
    1. alone
      alone 25 January 2016 20: 48
      +5
      Quote: gladcu2
      This garbage is your technique.


      Are you an indispensable expert on this technique? What data do you rely on when calling this technique garbage? Maybe because it is not of Russian origin?

      It is unreasonable to call this technique garbage the lot of non-professionals. By the way, this machine can withstand the explosion, from which the BTR-80 turns into trash.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 25 January 2016 23: 51
        0
        Alone

        Even if this armored personnel carrier is super ingenious and not repeatable, but if it is not integrated into a single supply system, then its price is worthless.

        The unified system is Russian. Kazakhs do stupidity by multiplying a variety of technology.

        No matter what kind of armored personnel carrier, supply is important.
        1. alone
          alone 26 January 2016 17: 24
          +1
          Quote: gladcu2
          No matter what kind of armored personnel carrier, supply is important.


          The factor of saving people's lives is important. But the rest is really garbage. Do you think the Kazakhs are so stupid that they can’t supply the equipment that they collect?
  20. mr.grin19z
    mr.grin19z 25 January 2016 20: 55
    +2
    even if they copied anyway they’re doing something, they don’t sit still
  21. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 25 January 2016 21: 08
    0
    they’ll spoil me now
    more than once it was already in the Republic of Kazakhstan that they released the first 2-3 products and after the plant stupidly closed
    in addition, for some reason it is not indicated that most likely this is not a local development, but the South African judging by the founders
    1. alone
      alone 25 January 2016 21: 17
      +1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      in addition, for some reason it is not indicated that most likely this is not a local development, but the South African judging by the founders


      The armored vehicle is purely South Africa-ovskaya. It’s called Mbombbe. Wheeled BMP. It can just be taken into account in local conditions. All the same, Kazakhstan is not Africa))
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 25 January 2016 21: 22
        0
        I think that the main task was the development of money
    2. Lindon
      Lindon 28 January 2016 09: 48
      -1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      they’ll spoil me now
      more than once it was already in the Republic of Kazakhstan that they released the first 2-3 products and after the plant stupidly closed
      in addition, for some reason it is not indicated that most likely this is not a local development, but the South African judging by the founders


      Rusnano cannot even boast of such success - they overwhelmed everyone with their batteries.
      In his eye he does not notice the logs.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 28 January 2016 10: 26
        0
        Quote: Lindon
        RUSNANO cannot even boast of such success

        what ?!
        what is the success? !!!!
        "Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering" issued the Mbombe 6x6 armored vehicle of the South African company Paramount Group, the machine was presented to the general public 6 years ago.
        http://weaponscollection.com/transport/3236-mbombe-6x6-broneavtomobil.html
  22. MKP
    MKP 25 January 2016 23: 51
    0
    Strange car?
  23. MKP
    MKP 25 January 2016 23: 55
    0
    It looks more like a collection vehicle, not a fighting vehicle.
  24. MKP
    MKP 26 January 2016 00: 02
    0
    In Kazakhstan, at least some kind of production remains, interestingly.
  25. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 26 January 2016 00: 43
    +2
    Wang, that the machine is also modular. Well, well done guys. But the main thing is that production should be localized.
  26. Wolka
    Wolka 26 January 2016 06: 14
    0
    Of course, the machine turned out to be interesting, but the assembly is screwdriver, Russian weapons, hodovka, too, but what remains of the native Kazakh ...
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 26 January 2016 18: 19
      +1
      Quote: Volka
      Of course, the machine turned out to be interesting, but the assembly is screwdriver, Russian weapons, hodovka, too, but what remains of the native Kazakh ...

      crew.
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