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We have forgiven the Germans, but not the Russians. Why?!

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We have forgiven the Germans, but not the Russians. Why?!



On Polish territory in Katyn, the Russians committed a crime by shooting 15 thousands of Polish prisoners of war (and possibly more). Just as a stone cannot be returned once a stone is thrown, words cannot be returned. The past cannot be returned, as well as events that took place in the distant or not so distant past, cannot be returned or changed. The Russians apologized for their crime.

Also on Polish territory, only in Auschwitz, the Germans brutally tortured, killed and gassed at least 1,5 a million people, including women and children (most likely there were more). I think, rather, I want to believe that the Germans apologized for their crimes too. But is it possible to excuse such horrors as the first and second ?! Okay. Compared with the crime of Russian Germans have done in Auschwitz alone in 100 times big atrocious and terrifying crimes !!!

We forgave the Germans for this (we are Czechs and Poles), but not for the Russians. And I ask WHY? !!

On our own Czechoslovak territory, the Germans committed crimes and brutal terror in order to completely destroy the Czech, and even the Slovak, peoples by moving people far to the east, killing and “re-educating” (but this is only in the case of several “suitable” individuals). In addition to other atrocities and terror committed by the Germans against our people, they burned and razed Lidice, Lezhaki, Yavorichko. The defenseless, innocent inhabitants of these villages were either shot or forcibly sent to concentration camps for a sure, albeit somewhat delayed, death! Including women and children! The Germans killed, executed and cruelly torn to pieces in the concentration camps over 320 thousands of Czechoslovak citizens! And we, the Czechs, have forgiven the Germans !!!

And the Russians, our only old, best and real friends, Slavic brothers, allies and defenders, for bringing peace and freedom to us and saving the Czech and Slovak peoples from the planned, but not carried out by the Germans, genocide. thinking, they sacrificed their own lives, for the fact that more than 160 thousands died for our freedom in Czechoslovakia, we scold and blame? !! Are the Czechs really such scoundrels? !! Ungrateful, not worthy of good nihilists who do not know what gratitude, respect, admiration for the savior and faith in him, what is long-standing and even stronger friendship, sealed with blood? If yes, then be a Czech - shame and a curse !!!

If not, then let us be friends of Russia, let's restore our friendship with Russia, which was betrayed by our own policies, which we dismembered against the will of the popular majority, and which we replaced with a fake self-destructive alliance with the US criminal. Let's help Russia, and it will return us all a hundredfold! I WANT a radical change in the foreign policy orientation of the Czech Republic. And certainly NOT to the West, which has always disappointed and betrayed, NOT to Brussels, NOT to Berlin, NOT to London, NOT to Paris! And certainly not on the USA !!! For the freedom of the Chechen Republic, friendship and full cooperation in all areas (military and defense too) with fraternal Slavic RUSSIA, as well as with all the BRICS countries, should play a decisive role! Russia is the only guarantee of our secure future, Russia is the only strong ally and defender of the Slavic peoples, Russia is the guarantee that the Czech people will survive.

With Germany and other "WESTERN" countries that have always betrayed us (France, Great Britain), and which we do not care at all: for them we are a subordinate and unequal people. We are false, hypocritical and forced to fraternize and "friends" in the common snake's nest, and the one who has always supported us, defended and helped us, not only in words, but also actions, we reprove, scold and turn back to them! How freaking it is!

Since I am not a scoundrel and not a nihilist, because I have my own pride and honor, I know historyI have my unchanging faith and convictions, and certainly not a “chameleon”, I remember a lot, I have sincere gratitude, admiration and respect for the Russian people, for the Russian Federation, for Russian President Vladimir Putin, I openly declare that if a political a party that proudly, publicly and directly will call for an alliance, friendship and cooperation with the Russian Federation, I will immediately become happy to become a member of this party. Truth cannot be hidden, and history cannot be falsified forever.

On Polish territory in Katyn, the Russians committed a crime by shooting 15 thousands of Polish prisoners of war. Also on Polish territory, only in Auschwitz, the Germans brutally tortured, killed and gassed at least 1,5 a million people, including women and children. To the Germans, we — the Czechs and the Poles — have forgiven this, but not the Russians. And I ask - why ?!
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  1. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 24 January 2016 16: 06
    21
    We don’t need such friends, for sure they will wait for a blow in the back.
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 24 January 2016 16: 18
      266
      The Russians apologized for their crime.


      It was not worth giving slack, now they sit on their heads and don’t remember why for some reason 1920-1923 climbed into our civilian. and what they did.
      in the future, about 80 thousand of the Red Army from the total number captured in Polish captivity, died of hunger, disease, torture, bullying and executions


      So who should apologize to anyone? request
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        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 24 January 2016 16: 56
          63
          Quote: Lalaika
          We must apologize for saving Krakow for them, at the tremendous cost of the lives of our soldiers, by sending a couple of megatons to Warsaw, so that no more infection and thoughts of an apology from Russia would arise


          Yes, we just SHOULD prostrate before these foreheads. Where are 50 thousand. Red Army, and who tramples their bones? Where are the bones of those people whom the gentry killed? The arrogance of the Poles is simply amazing.
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            1. Schulz
              Schulz 24 January 2016 18: 09
              17
              Quote: Lalaika
              . Where are 50 thousand. Red Army, and who tramples their bones? Where are the bones of those people whom the gentry killed? The arrogance of the Poles is simply amazing.

              Here, for example.
              Show in the Czech Republic and Slovakia?






              1. 30BIS
                30BIS 24 January 2016 20: 29
                29
                Czechs, Poles, Bulgarians, and indeed all our peoples from the republics of the USSR were perceived equal !! The subhuman and other crap came after perestroika. They were all brothers and sisters, and where they became enemies. Where subhuman, some Bandera, some rashists and quilted jackets ... Why? Really universal degeneration. Really human memory is so influenced from outside. Man it sounds Proud !! Or not ... ??
                1. Temples
                  Temples 25 January 2016 09: 46
                  12
                  On the Polish territory in Katyn


                  There is no point in reading further.

                  Katyn is a village in the Smolensk region of Russia.
                  1. shasherin.pavel
                    shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 10: 30
                    +9
                    Quote: Temples
                    There is no point in reading further.
                    I thought the same thing, but then I realized that the Czech wrote. Although he speaks Russian well, he could also study historical details on this subject.
                    1. Temples
                      Temples 25 January 2016 13: 27
                      +9
                      Yes, even a black man of French manufacture.
                      Smolensk region is our territory.
                    2. BLACK-SHARK-64
                      BLACK-SHARK-64 25 January 2016 21: 14
                      +2
                      they all ..... they went nafiggg .... am
                  2. ZKB
                    ZKB 25 January 2016 19: 50
                    +6
                    SO THEY FROM THE 16TH CENTURY SMOLENSK THINK THEIRS. but in general, an interesting story: Poland, taking advantage of the collapse of tsarist Russia, tried, as always, as in the Time of Troubles, to grab a piece of Russian land, sending interventionists to our state, enveloped the stars as always, since soldiers from the Poles were like bullet from excrement and when the class enemies of Soviet Russia were consumed (and this was done not only with the Poles, but also with other opponents of the Soviet government) they began to speak about crimes ... AND WALKING IN THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF ANOTHER STATE IS NOT A CRIME ??? Well, if we take it from the point of view of legal norms, then the opponents of the Soviet regime, by law and in full accordance with the 1918 Constitution, should have been given such a fate to the masters. like red, in case of victory of the interventionists.
                    1. BLACK-SHARK-64
                      BLACK-SHARK-64 25 January 2016 21: 15
                      +4
                      the gut is thin in the gentry .... let the Germans lick popppka ... and in the near future Afro-Arab .... am
              2. GRAY
                GRAY 24 January 2016 21: 40
                33
                Quote: Schulz
                Here, for example.
                Show in the Czech Republic and Slovakia?

                Show the prisoners of death in Polish concentration camps in the 20s.
                Remember - so all at once.
                Through a generation, a maximum of two, in all Poland and Latvia, Russians will be remembered only as enemies and occupiers. Not for nothing that the monuments are demolished - they are trying.
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                1. GRAY
                  GRAY 24 January 2016 22: 08
                  45
                  Quote: redeemer
                  yes on the same resource for the word spoken in that direction banyat ... and normal. all sniff.

                  Banned for inciting ... unless, of course, I understand you correctly.

                  Documents relating to Katyn were falsified in 1991.

                  Waiting for a ban ...
                  1. BaLaLaykin
                    BaLaLaykin 25 January 2016 00: 24
                    -4
                    I have already been banned, Banshee nonsense, thank you all for a pleasant time together
                  2. vladimirw
                    vladimirw 25 January 2016 10: 15
                    16
                    Unfortunately, these are our traitors forged documents and then apologized for what our grandfathers did not. Our media should say every day that the Germans shot in Katyn, and not the NKVD!
                  3. shasherin.pavel
                    shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 10: 42
                    14
                    And the very fact of the shooting of Polish servicemen was invented by Goebbels, and announced immediately after the decision was made in September 1941 to form the Polish army on the territory of the USSR. And it bore fruit, the Polish army was already ready in December 1941, and stood in the rear until August 1942, then went to Iran, and to Egypt. A total of about 30 people, fully armed and with members of their families. during the battle for Egypt, the army stood in the guard troops without firing a single shot. This is well shown in the Polish comedy about this army, it is especially well shown how the soldiers of the Polish army threw a cook into a cauldron of boiling water for making an empty soup. Local residents despised the Poles so much that they did not want to sell them anything at the bazaars. It was not me who came up with it, it was the Poles who filmed "The Adventure of a Soldier ..." I watched as a kid in the house of culture in the village, I forgot the soldier's name. He shoves them pounds at the market, but they almost spit in his face, and his hands with pounds push them away. Not selling and that's it. And these are the Arabs merchants ... how much one should despise the Poles to refuse to take Egyptian pounds in Egypt.
                    1. goose
                      goose 25 January 2016 12: 38
                      10
                      No documents were found about who shot 15000 Polish soldiers. There is only an oral confession of Goebbels, Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
                      The fact of the death of Polish troops at the hands of Soviet performers was refuted by several historians - Yulin, Skrobach, as an example.

                      Historians found about 1,5 thousand death sentences of Polish servicemen, carried out for specific crimes, but they were shot in completely different places. About 25% of the total number of death sentences for Polish war criminals were carried out. The rest of the sentences were not carried out. In Belarus, people were lying in opened graves, 100% were shot with 7,65x21 Parabellum cartridges, in winter clothes, most were ordinary. Let me remind you that only officers were in Katyn. These are facts, not agitation and propaganda. And let me remind you that since August 1941, the territory of Belarus was entirely under the control of the Germans.
                      1. Boos
                        Boos 26 January 2016 11: 14
                        +2
                        Putin admitted by saying that under the leadership of Stalin, the Red Army was defeated in the 20s, and then the Poles were shot in revenge in Katyn. So not only Goebbels, Gorbachev and Yeltsin carry out slander against Stalin. Minus the ...)))
                      2. Wildcat-731
                        Wildcat-731 26 January 2016 12: 57
                        0
                        Quote: Boos
                        Putin admitted by saying that under the leadership of Stalin, the Red Army was defeated in the 20s, and then the Poles were shot in revenge in Katyn. So not only Goebbels, Gorbachev and Yeltsin carry out slander against Stalin. Minus the ...)))

                        And I won’t think! ++++++++++++++++++++++ ... and so on. yes
                  4. valeriy.bos
                    valeriy.bos 26 January 2016 20: 32
                    0
                    "Priklucheniya kanonira Dolasa"
            2. KaPToC
              KaPToC 24 January 2016 22: 29
              +6
              Schultz, what a striking ignorance of history, amazing ignorance.
              1. Schulz
                Schulz 24 January 2016 23: 05
                -1
                Quote: KaPToC
                Schultz, what a striking ignorance of history, amazing ignorance.

                Are you talking about photographs?
                Is it really Russia and photos of the graves of Polish soldiers?
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 25 January 2016 01: 02
                  17
                  Quote: Schulz
                  Is it really Russia and photos of the graves of Polish soldiers?

                  Here I am about the same. Learn the story.
                  Unlike Russian soldiers, the Polish never defended anyone.
            3. alexander 2
              alexander 2 25 January 2016 01: 41
              15
              These are all monuments to those who liberated Poland. And where are the monuments of 80 thousand Red Army soldiers who died in Polish captivity?
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            5. Chera
              Chera 26 January 2016 13: 47
              +1
              Perhaps it was so, as in these photos ... But now, in our now, far from blessed time, is it the same? Will you look for them yourself or throw off the links to what the monuments of the Soviet liberators in Europe have turned into?
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          3. Schulz
            Schulz 24 January 2016 18: 19
            10
            Quote: Lalaika

            We persuaded, increase the charge to 10 megatons, the main thing is that Belarus is not hooked soldier

            You need to be treated.
            1. b-612
              b-612 24 January 2016 18: 58
              +2
              electricity
              1. BaLaLaykin
                BaLaLaykin 25 January 2016 00: 26
                0
                if only you use as a conductor
            2. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 24 January 2016 19: 08
              10
              Quote: Schulz
              You need to be treated.

              In any case, it will not be superfluous to be examined.
              1. BaLaLaykin
                BaLaLaykin 25 January 2016 00: 26
                +3
                tested allergic to Russophobia
            3. kush62
              kush62 24 January 2016 19: 40
              20
              Quote: Lalaika
              We persuaded, increase the charge to 10 megatons, the main thing is that Belarus is not hooked

              Schulz (1) Today, 18:19 ↑ New
              You need to be treated.

              You won’t get many advantages in treatment. And so: a couple of megatons to Poland, a few to the United States, Ukraine, the Japanese, so that our Kuril Islands do not shout. We will show you all Kuzkin’s mother. And you are already a marshal, a respected man. You sit on the couch and scatter radioactive charges around the world.
              1. Sober
                Sober 24 January 2016 20: 43
                +1
                Let the minus. These are not the words of a Russian person.
              2. BaLaLaykin
                BaLaLaykin 25 January 2016 00: 29
                0
                Can you tell me where I saw these pros and cons, or will you guess it yourself? But so that everything, such as Poland, would require an apology from Russia, not small and smoke a pussy
            4. redeemer
              redeemer 24 January 2016 22: 00
              -9
              you cannot be cured ...
            5. BaLaLaykin
              BaLaLaykin 25 January 2016 00: 25
              -1
              suicide, the best cure for me
          4. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 24 January 2016 19: 07
            -28 qualifying.
            Quote: Lalaika
            We persuaded, increase the charge to 10 megatons, the main thing is that Belarus is not hooked. Where are the bones of those people whom the gentry killed?

            So Belarus at that time was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and were also among the gentry, so don’t worry what hooks you, throw your charge, there’s a little excuse.
            1. BaLaLaykin
              BaLaLaykin 25 January 2016 00: 30
              0
              cheaper to relocate you to Poland
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 25 January 2016 00: 54
                -3
                Quote: Lalaika
                cheaper to relocate you to Poland

                Cheaper than what? Cheaper than a 10 megaton bomb?
                In your opinion, my destructive power is 10 megatons?
                You exaggerate my abilities, the Poles of my relocation will not even notice.
            2. goose
              goose 25 January 2016 12: 41
              +5
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              So Belarus at that time was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and were also among the gentry, so don’t worry what hooks you, throw your charge, there’s a little excuse.

              There was no Belarusian gentry, only Polish-Lithuanian, with the predominance of the first. Learn the story !!!
          5. Avers375
            Avers375 24 January 2016 22: 58
            +4
            And I’d add a couple of them. Life shows that our Western brothers Slavs are quickly sold. Only Serbs are an exception.
            1. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 10: 51
              0
              Serbs are also no exception, they simply understand that there is no one to rely on except Russia. But I remember how they screamed against us that Russia freed Bulgaria, from the Ottomans and abandoned Serbia. They don’t care that we won’t win so much as fill up the Turks on Shipka and were on the verge of losing in this war. Yes, we liberated Bulgaria only partially ... It’s just that the Bulgarians began to escape from the Ottomans.
              1912 l. 1-I Balkan war. March. Bulgaria and Serbia conclude a peace agreement supplemented by a military treaty. Greece and Montenegro, a little later Romania, join the contract. (then the Ottoman Empire spread to Montenegro). Paris, worried about such an alliance, pressed Italy to end the war with Turkey. Montenegro started the war, and for some reason the Turks climbed into Serbia, and that was the reason to join the war. Bulgaria and Greece are joining. Greece captures Thessaloniki, taking 25 000 prisoners. Bulgaria requires signing the surrender of the Turkish garrison with them, but even despite the scandal, Thessaloniki remained with Greece. The Allies pulled out territories not yet liberated from each other, and the Turks fortified themselves on the line of Andrianopol. Austria reports that it is ready to enter the war on the side of the Ottoman Empire, if peace is not concluded. On December 26, peace talks in London, and here the Allies put forward demands above Russia's victories over the Ottomans. As a result, the resumption of war. After the loss of Andrianopolis, the Turks agree to big concessions, but Albania gained independence, thereby blocking access to the sea by Serbia.
              1. dzeredzavkomimu
                dzeredzavkomimu 26 January 2016 21: 58
                0
                Turks filled up with corpses? can voice the loss of parties?
                1. shasherin.pavel
                  shasherin.pavel 27 January 2016 09: 02
                  +1
                  Poorly, type "Shipka's Story" in a search engine. or here's to you: The genius of the Soviet artillery. page 24.
                  In July 1877, Russian troops met stubborn resistance from the 30 thousandth Turkish corps near Plevna. The Turks had 70 field guns ... Two assaults on Plevna were repelled with heavy losses. By the 19 of July 1877, Alexander II had concentrated 110 thousands of people near Plevna with 440 guns, of which only 20 were siege. Nevertheless, the third assault was repulsed. Only on 28 of November did the Turks surrender, starving to death. The Russians lost thousands of soldiers under Plevna. The army stood at Plevna for five months. Only the inactivity of the remaining Turkish troops saved the army from complete defeat. Do you need to chew separately? After the repulsion of two assaults, 22.5 of thousands were concentrated and the third assault was repelled ... Or do you think that it is possible to repulse an assault of 110 100 troops by killing 000 people?
                  1. Scraptor
                    Scraptor 27 January 2016 22: 58
                    +1
                    Russian losses from starvation and frostbite were even higher than military ones.
        2. GRAY
          GRAY 24 January 2016 21: 31
          +2
          Quote: iliitch
          Yes, we just SHOULD

          We must learn to forgive.
          So, to whom I owe - I forgave everyone.
        3. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 25 January 2016 02: 48
          +4
          Quote: iliitch
          Quote: Lalaika
          We must apologize for saving Krakow for them, at the tremendous cost of the lives of our soldiers, by sending a couple of megatons to Warsaw, so that no more infection and thoughts of an apology from Russia would arise


          Yes, we just SHOULD prostrate before these foreheads. Where are 50 thousand. Red Army, and who tramples their bones? Where are the bones of those people whom the gentry killed? The arrogance of the Poles is simply amazing.


          I’ll answer to myself a Russian-Pole - don’t come to visit, you don’t know your last name. And, this, it’s cold here sometimes. And your apples-pamidors didn’t rattle us at all along with ssssanktsii. We put a bolt on you, and on America, too, pass it on to the head of the world. And if we have such announcements in the clinic so run !!!
        4. nimboris
          nimboris 25 January 2016 03: 46
          +5
          not 50 thousand, but 500-600 thousand were killed by Soviet soldiers for the liberation of Poland.
        5. spiriolla-45
          spiriolla-45 25 January 2016 10: 30
          +1
          Do not do good, for good deeds are punishable. DO NOT do good and you will not see evil but envy.
      2. Bykov.
        Bykov. 24 January 2016 17: 34
        52
        And it’s not at all that they forgave the Germans, but that they are afraid to bark at them.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 24 January 2016 19: 08
          16
          Quote: Bulls.
          And it’s not at all that they forgave the Germans

          They forgave the Germans for the money.
          1. Lord of Wrath
            Lord of Wrath 24 January 2016 19: 38
            16
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            They forgave the Germans for the money.

            At the household level, everything is exactly the opposite.
            Any Pole in mandatory the German will remember everything from Grunwald. By the way, the Germans are constantly talking about this, the Russians will be cordial, and the Poles will remember the right to download. But from the point of view of the Auschwitz, the Poles will definitely thank that they got rid of the Jews
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 25 January 2016 01: 00
              +3
              Quote: Lord of Wrath
              At the household level, everything is exactly the opposite.
              Any Pole, without fail, will recall to the German everything starting from Grunwald.

              The Germans paid compensation for the Second World War to the Poles, but you can remember anything you like, although you are right about the Jews.
              1. CONTROL
                CONTROL 25 January 2016 06: 53
                +6
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                Quote: Lord of Wrath
                At the household level, everything is exactly the opposite.
                Any Pole, without fail, will recall to the German everything starting from Grunwald.

                The Germans paid compensation for the Second World War to the Poles, but you can remember anything you like, although you are right about the Jews.

                After the war, in the territories of Germany that had ceded to Poland, the Poles very successfully and effectively massacred (with various, including "humane" ones - starved to death ...-) all Germans and Jews, almost to zero! do not destroy ...) Combining at the same time German accuracy and pedantry with Slavic passion and ardor ...
                ... And the question - to forgive or not - does not stand before anyone! and no one puts ... As they say - died, so died!
            2. lwxx
              lwxx 25 January 2016 04: 42
              +1
              Moscale for the Vistula, the Jews in the Vistula! The Poles have such a slogan.
          2. marna
            marna 24 January 2016 21: 59
            +8
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            They forgave the Germans for the money.

            You might think that the Sov. Union did not invest in them. The little brothers spoiled for almost 50 years at the expense of the welfare of their own people, and they were still capricious, but looked to the West, although they burst beautifully from the hands of the USSR. Now let the handouts beg from the west. It is given to the asker, if they wanted to be Western Europe - receive. And then we are all to blame before them. And it’s enough to apologize to everyone, not modern Russia responsible for the policy of the USSR, and even more so during the Second World War, it’s enough that all post-Soviet debts were accepted and paid on them. I do not believe them from the word at all.
            1. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 11: 22
              +8
              Quote: marna
              not modern Russia is responsible for the policy of the USSR

              I already wanted to put +, but this phrase stopped me. There was nothing in the actions of the USSR, for which we could be ashamed, but some of the modern actions throw me into the paint. Take Solzhenitsyn, for example, people were found and documented his "Gulag Archipelago", about 70% of the NKVD investigators described by him never existed people, that is, fictional characters. Sometimes they write that "In a civil war, the more cruel one always wins." And supposedly the communists won by cruelty and tyranny. Only when you read the memoirs of the participants in the Civil War, you see that the majority fled from the tyranny of the "white movement" to the Red Army. And not vice versa. In the Civil War, the one who is supported by the people wins. I already wrote here once, how do I do in the owls. he used to say: "The Italians are cat-dogs, the Germans killed all the living creatures and left, so these went over to the cats. But you wake the Italian:" She's comrade, the boshes are coming. "They will wind the belts on their hand and go forward, beat the German in mortal combat." At first I thought: "Grandfather bends over." and then I read the memoirs of the Italians themselves, they hated the Germans both for the fact that the provisions intended for the Italians were taken for themselves, and for their cruelty towards the Russians. By the way, for general information: Beria, becoming the Minister of the NKVD, first of all put things in order in the camps, and created the GULAG in which there were five ministries of industry, disbanded two STONA: the Solovetsky Prison of Special Purpose (which was formed from the SLON = Solovetsky Camp of Special Purpose) and Suzdal Special Purpose Prison and prisoners were sent to the GULAG, according to their professional knowledge: geologists to the geological ministry, metallurgists to the metallurgical one (by the way: only after reading this I found out that my hometown of Monchegorsk with the Severonikel plant was a member of the GULAG Ministry of the NKVD), builders in construction and so on. And there, a person issuing two shifts cut his term in half.
              1. marna
                marna 25 January 2016 11: 43
                +1
                Quote: shasherin.pavel
                There was nothing in the actions of the USSR, for which we could be ashamed

                Do not believe me, but I almost wrote this phrase. And then she removed it. Considered that this is a separate topic for discussion))
                1. shasherin.pavel
                  shasherin.pavel 27 January 2016 09: 14
                  0
                  Quote: marna
                  . And then she removed it.

                  And I write all the time, because I see that at the same time, when we are being presented with claims for the Gulag and so on, exactly the same thing happened all over the world: in the USA, the Kuklux Klan, in the UK the suppression of the Indian uprising by troops, the number of people killed is simply no one considered ... the Boer War. Roosevelt managed to leave in his diaries the phrase: "While in London (1943) I had a long conversation with Churchill and tried to prove to him that it was necessary not only to take out the wealth of these countries from the colonies, but also to provide them with something ... It looks like this and did not understand ".. I wrote it as a keepsake, because I do not have time to leaf through the Roosevelt Diaries now and look for an exact quote. Everybody shouts "" Stop thief! "LET THERE ARE YOURSELF BY THE HAND.
              2. goose
                goose 25 January 2016 12: 46
                +1
                Many beeches, zombies can only read monosyllabic sentences - a theory proved by Hitler in practice.
        2. Ded_smerch
          Ded_smerch 25 January 2016 09: 07
          +3
          the Czechs seem to have absolutely hmmmm badly with life, so they remembered. The key sentence of the article "Let's help Russia, and she will return everything to us a hundredfold!"
      3. Pereira
        Pereira 24 January 2016 18: 06
        +9
        As practice has shown, they did it in vain.
      4. Starley from the south
        Starley from the south 24 January 2016 20: 45
        +2
        It is true that they have neither honor nor conscience; these organs were extinct from them as unnecessary. The ungrateful and treacherous people are these Poles. We must remember this for the future, do not save them the next time, let them get what they deserve! Without them, the world will become cleaner!
        1. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 11: 35
          +1
          Churchill, after Poland divided Czechoslovakia from Germany in 1939, called Poland "Hyena", because then hyenas were considered exclusively corpse-eaters, unable to hunt. If the author of the article reads these words, then let him add to his words how the Polish army evicted Chekhov from their homes, in the occupied territory, almost naked, and settled its citizens in their homes. At the same time, Chekhov was simply driven in front of them, since they were now forbidden to live here. Even the German military was amazed at this attitude towards people. You can also open the site "Polish Concentration Camps" on Wikipedia, so you can read there that when all the war prisoners were expelled from the USSR, on the territory of Poland, the concentration camps on the territory of Poland continued to contain civilian Germans living in Poland. At the same time, people were simply driven into huge pits, where they lived and fulfilled all their needs. During the rains, people stood knee-deep in a slurry of clay and excrement.
    2. yehat
      yehat 24 January 2016 16: 25
      71
      Medvedev apologized for this, because he was slipped a fake document that “proves” the USSR's involvement in Katyn, but all serious historians aloud say that there is no objective evidence. It is also reminded that the expeditions of the British and Germans to Katyn were, to put it mildly, strange, as were their arguments.
      But there is serious evidence of German involvement.
      1. Reinhard
        Reinhard 24 January 2016 16: 52
        29
        As for Katyn, the author does not own the material. The rest is true.
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 24 January 2016 18: 04
        33
        Quote: yehat
        Medvedev apologized for this, because he was slipped a fake document that “proves” the USSR's involvement in Katyn, but all serious historians aloud say that there is no objective evidence. It is also reminded that the expeditions of the British and Germans to Katyn were, to put it mildly, strange, as were their arguments.
        But there is serious evidence of German involvement.

        The Germans are masters of provocation. One operation "Canned food" is worth it! USA has someone to learn from! And Medvedev - the same "victory" of democracy as Gorbaty - would apologize for whatever you want.
        We have forgiven the Germans, but not the Russians. Why?!
        Probably because the Russians did not destroy 6 million Poles. If, like the Germans, they destroyed 10 million, would they love us?
        1. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 11: 39
          +2
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          would they love us?

          They were afraid and respected.
        2. goose
          goose 25 January 2016 12: 48
          +3
          But the Poles destroyed 86 thousand captured Red Army soldiers in concentration camps, and they really do not like to talk about it.
      3. go21zd45few
        go21zd45few 24 January 2016 18: 34
        15
        I wonder how Stalin would answer their demands apologize.
        sat and did not rock the boat. So our current leadership has played the game of democracy and given slack.
        1. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 11: 41
          +1
          Quote: go21zd45few
          I wonder how Stalin would answer

          I would take from them the territory of Gdansk, which is disputed with Germany, and Russia would have another port in the Baltic.
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        1. dvina71
          dvina71 24 January 2016 22: 36
          +4
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          EMNIP did not apologize to Medvedev, but Putin


          Putin did not apologize. You can raise the shorthand of his speech. There he said that terania is bad .. Moreover, this was said without regard to personalities.
          1. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 11: 45
            +1
            Quote: dvina71
            Putin did not apologize.

            He openly pointed out to the Prime Minister of Poland his historical illiteracy, recalling the division of Czechoslovakia and our Red Army soldiers who were not taken prisoner. The Poles wanted to file an international court against the Russian Federation (even before the RSFSR) as an aggressor, but then they were told that they were the first to attack the Russian Federation, and the campaign against Warsaw was only a counterattack.
        2. Orionvit
          Orionvit 24 January 2016 22: 43
          +4
          All Katyk business is sewn with white thread. Who cares- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK3fmBh4uzQ
      5. Revolver
        Revolver 24 January 2016 21: 35
        10
        I will not discuss the veracity and legitimacy of the Polish accusations concerning Katyn here, although this can be written not just as a koment or even an article, but as a whole dissertation. But here is the strange thing.
        Suppose that the Poles are right and Katyn is a crime committed by the NKVD (although no court has yet proven this). Then the NKVD was led by Georgians Beria. The top of the NKVD was also through one Caucasian, mainly Georgian. An action of this magnitude could not have happened without the sanction of Stalin, who was also a Georgian. Nevertheless, the Poles are addressing all the presentations to Russia, and they are friends with Georgia (essno against Russia). If this is not an inborn Polish Russophobia, then what?
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 25 January 2016 00: 27
          10
          Berry G.G. 07.1934 - 09.1936-Jew

          Ezhov N.I. 09.1936 - 11.1938-Russian

          Beria L.P. 11.1938 - 12.45-Abkhazian Migrel

          Deputies of the People's Commissar of the USSR VD:

          Agranov Ya.S. (1st deputy.) 07.1934 - 04.1937-Jew(real name Yankel Sorenson)

          Prokofiev G.E. 07.1934 - 09.1936-Russian

          Berman M.D. 09.1936 - 08.1937-Jew

          Frinovsky M.P. 10.1936 - 04.1937-Russian

          Belsky L.N. 11.1936 - 04.1938-Jew(real name Abram Levin)

          Kursky V.M. (acting deputy) 04.1937 - 07.1937-Jew

          Chernyshev V.V. 08.1937 - 04.46-Russian

          Ryzhov M.I. 08.1937 - 12.1937-Russian

          Zhukovsky S.B. 01.1938 - 10.1938-Jew

          Zakovsky L.M. 01.1938 - 04.1938-Latvian(real name Heinrich Stubis)

          Filaretov G.V. 10.1938 - 02.1939-Russian

          Merkulov V.N. (1st deputy.) 12.1938 - 02.1941-Armenian
          (mother is Georgian)
          Maslennikov I.I. 02.1939 - 07.43-Russian

          Kruglov S.N. (by personnel) 02.1939 - 02.1941-Russian

          Goglidze S.A. -Georgian

          Through one, other nationalities are here. Do not invent a story please. So, Georgia can sleep peacefully on this issue.
          Believe me, if you look for what nationalities prevailed among the Chekists since the time of the OGPU, then you will be "presented" to the coast of the Dead Sea, and not to Georgia. I highly recommend inquiring specifically about the top of the NKVD of the Ukrainian SSR during the "Holodomor" ... no hints, just the story is request
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 25 January 2016 05: 06
            0
            You yourself indicated the dates of death - mainly 1937-1938. So these Jews had nothing to do with Katyn (1941). Or painfully wanted to pull them by the ears? So if you have manic anti-Semitism, then you need to be treated.
            1. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 25 January 2016 10: 20
              +5
              I completely disagree with you about my anti-Semitism. I have a neutral attitude towards Jews. There are Jewish friends. The State of Israel even respect the ability to survive being surrounded by enemies and the ability to solve problems with the wrong hands.
              But ... to deny the fact that Jews over the past hundred years have been at the head of almost all political and economic processes, both in Europe and in Russia, is simply stupid. It's just true. Well and of course it's just a unique coincidence.

              Here you have a reference to 1941, surnames, posts, photos, structure ... And also with the Georgians strained ...

              http://shieldandsword.mozohin.ru/VD3462/nkvd4143/narkom.htm

              Here is the command of the territorial bodies of the NKVD of the USSR, the same story ...

              http://shieldandsword.mozohin.ru/VD3462/nkvd4143/terr_org.htm
            2. goose
              goose 25 January 2016 12: 53
              +3
              Quote: Nagan
              You yourself indicated the dates of death - mainly 1937-1938. So these Jews had nothing to do with Katyn (1941). Or painfully wanted to pull them by the ears? So if you have manic anti-Semitism, then you need to be treated.

              When the process of repression began to get out of control due to personal accounts, Stalin sensed that he was being fooled, and Yezhovtsy was immediately shot, and 85% of the repressed in the period 36-38 were released within 1,5 years, starting at the end of 38 years. Some were left to sit out for various periods. These are the facts.
              Yezhovshchina was not of a national character, it is the same fact.
              1. BARKHAN
                BARKHAN 25 January 2016 13: 19
                +2
                Quote: goose
                and 85% of the repressed in the period 36-38 years were released within 1,5 years, starting from the end of 38 years.

                November 25, 1938 Beria L.P. was appointed People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR. Coincidence? I don’t think so!
              2. shasherin.pavel
                shasherin.pavel 27 January 2016 09: 25
                0
                Quote: goose
                and Yezhovtsy were immediately shot,

                and now monuments are being erected to them as "innocent victims" and "victims of repression". Law is law, and if we begin to rewrite everything now, we will undermine all the foundations of modern jurisprudence. All power is from God and the law is from power. If someone does not remember, then since the revolution they tried to abolish the death penalty three times, not counting the modern moratorium.
        2. besserbest
          besserbest 25 January 2016 01: 39
          0
          "If this......." . I will answer you in one word - idiocy.
      6. besserbest
        besserbest 25 January 2016 01: 36
        +9
        At the Nuremberg trials of 45-46 years, this question of Katyn was raised and it was UNIQUENESS (USSR, USA, England, France) recognized as fake. Therefore, the European Court did not take any measures against us last year and recognized the submitted documents as fake.
      7. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 11: 37
        0
        Quote: yehat
        But there is serious evidence of German involvement.

        for example, letters dated August 1942 of the year.
    3. kuz363
      kuz363 24 January 2016 16: 46
      +5
      And there it comes to material compensation
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 24 January 2016 16: 50
        +9
        yeah, and there will be compensation as in that children's joke:
        - Bill, and Bill, and the atomic bomb is worth a lot
        -Many Barbara, millions
        -Ura Bill, you and I are millionaires now, she falls into our courtyard
      2. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 11: 56
        +1
        Quote: kuz363
        And there it comes to material compensation

        Then we must first change the borders of Poland and the territories transferred to it by decision of Stalin to give to Germany. To return the cost of weapons and food to the Polish army on the territory of the USSR, both the Andersen army and the Polish Army.
    4. The black
      The black 24 January 2016 16: 47
      59
      Was there even a shooting of the Poles by the NKVD troops? ... Everything is not so simple. This is the German version, which was refuted by the Soviet commission. And by the way, after the end of the war, most of the members of the German international commission refused their signatures in documents ..... Another thing is that bald Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev did not want to spoil relations with Western countries, and most likely that is why he went to meet him in the Katynsky case execution and pleaded guilty to the Soviet Union .... although with what a fright and on the basis of which - it is not clear ...
      1. Reinhard
        Reinhard 24 January 2016 16: 54
        45
        I was especially amused by a witness over 90. "... I brought a suitcase with 200 German-style pistols and put it on the table for the authorities .." There were healthy guys in the NKVD. laughing
        1. Fat
          Fat 24 January 2016 18: 39
          10
          Quote: Reinhard
          I was especially amused by a witness over 90. "... I brought a suitcase with 200 German-style pistols and put it on the table for the authorities .." There were healthy guys in the NKVD. laughing

          And the table at the bosses is also "wow" ...
        2. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 24 January 2016 18: 41
          13
          Suppose parabelum, 870-915 gr (of different years of manufacture) Multiply by 200 = 174-183 kilograms! Does the suitcase mean on the table? Sorry for a second, but the size will not be frail ...
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 25 January 2016 04: 05
            +9
            Quote: Barkhan
            Suppose parabelum, 870-915 gr (of different years of manufacture) Multiply by 200 = 174-183 kilograms! Does the suitcase mean on the table? Sorry for a second, but the size will not be frail ...

            This is in the rotten west - extreme power. And here - "brought a suitcase and put it on the table." 200 kg. Simple brought simply put. A simple security officer. Flesh from the flesh of the people ... laughing

            And I don’t worry about the tables - I saw grandfather’s oak tables in the offices of the bosses - you can enter the Shishiga, not that 200 kg to bring and deliver a suitcase. laughing
        3. ty60
          ty60 24 January 2016 19: 05
          +5
          And along the road, the dead with braids stand! And silence ...- Nonsense!
        4. goose
          goose 25 January 2016 12: 56
          +1
          Walther or Parabellum weigh about a kilogram, not counting the holster. Grandfather was very cool. I hardly raised 4 machine guns.
        5. dzeredzavkomimu
          dzeredzavkomimu 26 January 2016 22: 05
          0
          almost 200 kg)))
      2. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 24 January 2016 17: 38
        20
        The Chekists, even with all their odiousness, this is how liberal propaganda paints them, NEVER arranged executions where they rest (well, a normal person does not shit where he eats). Across the road from the Katyn memorial is the Borok sanatorium. This is the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and there was this sanatorium a long time ago..
      3. V.ic
        V.ic 24 January 2016 17: 41
        +6
        Quote: Black
        .. although with some fright and on the basis of which - it is not clear ...

        In life, he was a traitor ...
      4. PSih2097
        PSih2097 24 January 2016 18: 25
        15
        Quote: Black
        Another thing is that bald Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev, not wanting to spoil relations with Western countries, and, most likely, that’s why he went to meet him in the Katyn massacre and admitted the guilt of the Soviet Union .... although it’s unclear what a fright and on the basis of which .. .

        he handed over practically all materials on Katyn from the archives of the KGB to the Poles, who immediately destroyed everything, or kept it secret. Why is not a single protocol of interrogation of Polish officers published? Probably because THERE will come out there that it will not be a pity for 100 megatons for pshe ...
        1. goose
          goose 25 January 2016 12: 58
          +1
          Quote: PSih2097
          Why is not a single protocol of interrogation of Polish officers published? Probably because THERE will come out there that it will not be a pity for 100 megatons for pshe ...

          There are case files, there were about 6,5 thousand people (out of about 500 thousand) of war criminals among the Poles, some even received death sentences.
        2. dzeredzavkomimu
          dzeredzavkomimu 26 January 2016 22: 09
          0
          and what is known for such a long time, they didn’t let ours cross their border when Stalin offered protection, for that they were negotiating with the British to join the coalition with Hitler and attack the Soviet Union, and the Psheks paid for it, the Germans conspirators handed over to us
      5. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 24 January 2016 18: 58
        28
        Quote: Black
        Was there even a shooting of the Poles by the NKVD troops? ... Everything is not so simple. This is the German version, which was refuted by the Soviet commission. And by the way, after the end of the war, most of the members of the German international commission refused their signatures in documents ..... Another thing is that bald Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev did not want to spoil relations with Western countries, and most likely that is why he went to meet him in the Katynsky case execution and pleaded guilty to the Soviet Union .... although with what a fright and on the basis of which - it is not clear ...

        For those who are interested in this story, I recommend reading a book or watching Yuri Mukhin's film "Katyn Meanness" ... Where the facts of the USSR's involvement in this execution are completely refuted. As well as interviews of the judges of the Supreme Court who established that all documents about the execution of Poles, which refer to liberals and Gorbachev are FALSE! and fabricated under Gorbachev. By the way, in this film, these "documents" are cited, and the bloopers in them are such! that the court took 15 minutes to make a decision. Everything on which Medvedev's remorse is based is a lie and treason before the memory of his ancestors.
        And yet! But do not the Poles want to repent and pay compensation to the relatives of 82,5 thousand dead Red Army prisoners of war in Polish camps in 1920.
        http://ursa-tm.ru/forum/index.php?/topic/122-tragediia-krasnoarmejtcev-v-polskom
        -plenu /
        Katyn meanness ...
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 24 January 2016 22: 08
          -1
          Quote: Barkhan
          BARKHAN

          Dear Comrade Barkhan! hi
          I have one question for you (sorry for the "you", because I understand that I served somewhere nearby)
          Are you for the whites, but for the reds?
          Just do not "twist", please.
          1. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 24 January 2016 22: 53
            28
            Quote: Stroporez
            Quote: Barkhan
            BARKHAN

            Dear Comrade Barkhan! hi
            I have one question for you (sorry for the "you", because I understand that I served somewhere nearby)
            Are you for the whites, but for the reds?
            Just do not "twist", please.

            I am a convinced Stalinist. Adherent of the iron order and the rule of law. I consider the capitalism existing in the country to be erroneous and harmful. I consider unacceptably wasted resources and time. I consider the ownership of natural resources to private owners as absurd (maybe they also privatize the air).
            I allow the change of power only in a legal way, and I don’t think that there is not much left for it.
            I came to my convictions in adulthood. I can add in the words of A. Wasserman - "The more I study Stalin, the more Stalinist I become ..."
            My grandfathers and great-grandfathers poured blood and sweat on this land, give me every right to decide for myself how to live and build a country. They also hold me responsible for the defense and defense of my homeland.

            I hate our corrupt liberals who do not hide their funding from enemies ...
            I don’t smoke, don’t drink, armed. Religion is Orthodox.



            For justice, now it's your turn.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 25 January 2016 00: 45
              +8
              Quote: Barkhan
              For justice, now it's your turn.

              Well, for justice, not for the Moscow City Help, I asked about the service ..
              I think it’s not worth yelling, there’s a PM about re-serving, and the biography is typical of my generation, that's for sure ..
              Quote: Barkhan
              I am a convinced Stalinist.

              Stalin was a Bolshevik, the successor of the Lenin cause, and this is not only an iron order ....
              Read the source
              "When a spy or a traitor is caught, the indignation of the public knows no bounds,
              she requires execution. And when a thief is wielding in front of everyone, stealing
              public good, the surrounding public is limited to good-natured
              laughs and pat on the shoulder. Meanwhile, it is clear that a thief stealing
              public good and digging under the interests of the national economy, there is one
              a spy and a traitor, if not worse. "
              ("On the economic situation and the policy of the Party" v. 8, p. 136.)
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            3. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 12: 09
              +3
              Quote: Barkhan
              I do not smoke, I do not drink

              I quit smoking in 1997, but I still can't drink: water, juices, no more than 50 grams on weekends. .. sorry "whiskey", here I am not a patriot, after Chernobyl vodka breaks my head, but with "whiskey" it is normal. Don't you drink from this? all! or partially? I respect Stalin the same, but I am not so ardent, as a Christian and I understand that everything happens by the will of the Lord God. "Lord! Why are you allowing this to happen?"
              "What do you dislike about this life of yours?"
              "Everything !!!! Lord!"
              "So don't do it!"

              ,
              1. BARKHAN
                BARKHAN 25 January 2016 12: 37
                +6
                I am not a hypocrite, and drank and smoked before, it was ...
                He quit smoking 9 years ago, realizing all the stupidity of this activity. Dried grass wrapped in paper that needs to be set on fire and breathed in. Moreover, you also have to pay money for it, some kind of divorce laughing
                On New Year's Eve or on a birthday I can drink a glass of champagne or a glass of brandy ... But compared to how my friends drink vodka in liters ... in short, I don’t drink.
                Now, recalling my youth and what is happening around, I understand that 99% of problems are created under the influence of alcohol.
                I prefer spring water from your list.
                For the last 10 years I have been trying to minimize food of "Western style". Only natural products of which I am sure of origin.
                Concerning Stalin. I do not consider him ideal and infallible. He also had mistakes that could not have been made. But we already know that these are mistakes ... in the same harsh times ...
                I would like modern Russia to make at least a third of Stalin's achievements.
                1. shasherin.pavel
                  shasherin.pavel 27 January 2016 09: 36
                  +3
                  If I knew my youth, if old age could.
      6. ty60
        ty60 24 January 2016 19: 06
        +9
        Burn books of labeled Bears!
      7. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 11: 57
        0
        Let them turn to the "bald one" for compensation ...
    5. Lelek
      Lelek 24 January 2016 17: 43
      28
      Quote: NIKNN
      in the future, about 80 thousand of the Red Army from the total number captured in Polish captivity, died of hunger, disease, torture, bullying and executions

      So who should apologize to anyone?



      And what about the thousands of Russian peasants, workers and inhabitants who were killed by the Whites in 1918-1919? Who apologized for this?
      We are constantly being asked to apologize, especially the "petty" ones, but with hypergonor. We apologized for our mistakes and do not owe anything to anyone, and if it is someone who is bothering, then let this “someone” go into the forest, sit on a tree stump and cry, sob ... Amen. hi
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 24 January 2016 20: 42
        21
        Quote: Lelek
        Quote: NIKNN
        in the future, about 80 thousand of the Red Army from the total number captured in Polish captivity, died of hunger, disease, torture, bullying and executions

        So who should apologize to anyone?



        And what about the thousands of Russian peasants, workers and inhabitants who were killed by the Whites in 1918-1919? Who apologized for this?
        We are constantly being asked to apologize, especially the "petty" ones, but with hypergonor. We apologized for our mistakes and do not owe anything to anyone, and if it is someone who is bothering, then let this “someone” go into the forest, sit on a tree stump and cry, sob ... Amen. hi

        Archival data has long been declassified ...
        The national composition of prisoners of war of the Wehrmacht and the SS ended up in Soviet captivity:

        Germans 2 388 443
        Hungarians 513 766
        Romanian 187 367
        Austrians 156 681
        Czechoslovakia 69 977 (2 of them generals)
        Poles 60 (of which 272 generals)

        Italians 48 957
        French 23 136
        Yugoslavs 21 830
        .
        Jews 10 173 !!!
        For comparison, officially fought with us-
        Finns 2
        And nothing personal just cold numbers
        1. Bochik
          Bochik 24 January 2016 21: 15
          -12 qualifying.
          Link to the source, please.
          1. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 24 January 2016 22: 21
            10
            You probably dear, your fingers are not broken, bale the keys ... whoever seeks will find ...
            Start straight from this site. wink
            http://topwar.ru/11444-poteri-sssr-i-germanii-v-vov.htmlCertificate of the Main Directorate of Internal Affairs of the NKVD of the USSR on prisoners of war of the former European and Japanese armies as of 01.01.1949/XNUMX/XNUMX.
        2. besserbest
          besserbest 25 January 2016 01: 46
          0
          Exact numbers. Especially the Jews ... who were mercilessly exterminated by the Nazis.
          1. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 25 January 2016 02: 45
            +5
            There were also enough "own" ones. From Vlasov to "Khivi". Cossack, Kalmyk, North Caucasian, Azerbaijani battalions of the Wehrmacht ...
            There was a lot of things ... Even "Free India" ...

            http://www.plam.ru/hist/inostrannye_dobrovolcy_v_vermahte_1941_1945/p4.php
        3. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 12: 14
          +3
          I would not have missed the "Gypsies" which were there the same, while it should be noted that most of the prisoners of war did not have documents, and they indicated their nationality in words. So a Polish Jew could become a Pole, a German-German.
        4. Seal
          Seal 28 January 2016 20: 51
          0
          Czechoslovakia 69 977 (2 of them generals)

          Czechoslovakians? Yes, during the war, only Slovakia was independent. And the Czech Republic was part of the Protectorate of the Czech Republic and Moravia. Slovak President Tiso sent Slovak divisions to our front. Here they are, these Slovak divisions, either surrendered en masse or switched to our side. Together with the generals.

          However, I believe that the Sudeten Germans who were captured by us could appear as "Czechoslovakians" in the hope of a better attitude towards them from our side. Fortunately, they all knew the Czech language.
          Nothing personal. Just a situation analysis.
    6. zanoza
      zanoza 24 January 2016 17: 47
      23
      On the Polish territory in Katyn

      And when Katyn became "Polish" territory ??
    7. Pereira
      Pereira 24 January 2016 18: 05
      16
      Personally, I did not apologize to anyone and am not going to. And to those who on my behalf poured snot in Europe, I did not give such an order. They did this in their own name, and they only humiliated themselves.
    8. dark_65
      dark_65 24 January 2016 18: 25
      +9
      and if you recall our gold .. drowned by the Czechs in the civilian?
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 12: 17
        -1
        Quote: dark_65
        and if you recall our gold ..

        But they returned some part to us, in exchange for returning to their homeland.
        1. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 27 January 2016 09: 47
          0
          What kind of history has not read !? The return of the Czechs through the territory of our country was guaranteed after the signing of the peace and the return of the "gold reserve of the Russian Empire", do you really think that after the hostilities, someone would just let them go from Siberia, and even with all the gold of Russia? No matter how you feel about the authorities of that time, even Captain Flint would not have let him sail freely with his gold. They returned only a part, but most. As we learned now, a third of them were transported to the Czech Republic somewhere.
    9. meriem1
      meriem1 24 January 2016 19: 00
      +6
      Quote: NIKNN
      The Russians apologized for their crime.


      It was not worth giving slack, now they sit on their heads and don’t remember why for some reason 1920-1923 climbed into our civilian. and what they did.
      in the future, about 80 thousand of the Red Army from the total number captured in Polish captivity, died of hunger, disease, torture, bullying and executions


      So who should apologize to anyone? request



      About Katyn! There is no evidence that the Russians killed the Poles, not Nitsa !!! For that, Pilsudski simply DIED almost 20 thousand Russians in prisoner of war camps !!!!!!! Without medical help, they also died of HUNGER !!! And it's just a fact! And the Poles do not even want to hear about it! But wouldn’t they go? They eat the monuments that shed blood for them. Sometimes you want to just raze their monument to the ground!
    10. seti
      seti 24 January 2016 19: 28
      16
      In the sense of "the Russians have committed a crime." What nonsense ??? Why the Russians are asked. Firstly, not the fact that this crime was committed by the NKVD. As you know, this is very controversial. A drunken Yeltsin could not admit that. Iron proofs have not been provided, on the contrary, there is a lot of evidence and claims to the German side .. The truth is somewhere on the edge. Secondly, why, even if it is and so it is immediately "Russian". Or maybe "Lithuanians", "Latvians" or "Jews" or other representatives of many nationalities who served in those bodies ..?
      And in the third, even if I repeat it, even if the fault is ours, then we recall the 1612 year of Moscow and Smolensk, the 100 of thousands of our prisoners of war prisoners who were killed and tortured in Polish captivity on the 1920-21 year, which the Polish authorities did not even bother to erect a monument to. They do not even want to comment on this atrocity, even refuse to acknowledge it. The authorities of present-day Poland are our enemies and the blood of our great-grandfathers and ancestors is upon them.
      And we erected monuments for their officers, their memorial to the president / retinue. To demolish a bulldozer of this opinion. This is exactly what they do with the monuments and graves of our servicemen with their heads folded for the freedom of present-day Poland.
      1. Valera999
        Valera999 25 January 2016 00: 00
        -13 qualifying.
        Then it is not clear why Putin admitted what. What makes you think that the Poles consider the CCCP liberators. Have you forgotten how Poland pulled out of the USSR ??? About the ancestors, here it will turn out mutually, there is no one truth, everyone has their own. And the fact that in the ranks of the USSR there are different people from different countries is, after all, this is the international. Poland was a bourgeois country, the USSR no. The war of 1921 is a war of two systems, no one recognized the USSR, the bourgeoisie supported Belykh in every possible way. The Red Army was not treated as an Army, for all the Westerners, they were rebels, because everyone knew about the Red and White Terrors in the USSR, and how they dealt with the families of accomplices in the Civil War. Plus, there is evidence that all Poles and policemen were also exterminated and the person was not taken prisoner when they liberated Belarus from Poland. Therefore, the tortured Red Army is the revenge of the Poles. And I am not surprised that Stalin dealt with the Polish elite, because if they got free they would be dangerous for the USSR. So the apology of Russia for Katyn is stupid - there was a war, but in the war all means ....
        1. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 12: 37
          0
          Quote: Valera999
          that all Poles and policemen were also exterminated and the person was not taken prisoner,

          Well, yes, police gendarmes and Poles of war prisoners asked the Red Army soldiers to protect them from the local population ... If the Poles were not taken prisoner, then where did the Polish army come from in the USSR. I'm not talking about the Polish Army, where one in three are from Russia, even if my grandmother was Polish, they drove the Polish Army, but Andersen's army, with 90% of the Poles, went to Iran. 30 000 troops excluding family members.
          And they completely froze stupidity, the Red Army is not rebels and not bandits, because according to international laws, up to Alexander II, soldiers in the form of an army and with documents are prisoners of war and not otherwise. One of the main accusations from England for Germany was the shooting of paratroopers by German soldiers, since the paratroopers were in uniform and with documents, surrendered and after that they were already shot.
          Another idiotic thesis that no one recognized the Russian Federation: the Peace of Brest was signed before the Polish attack on R.F. Note: before the end of the First World War. Even minus put squeamish ...
      2. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 12: 24
        +1
        Quote: seti
        And we erected monuments for their officers, their memorial to the president / retinue.

        Well, there is nothing antihuman here, you just need to write: "Here lies the ashes of Polish servicemen killed during the Second World War" and "A plane crashed here ..."
        Is it worth the second? So everyone at the scene of a car accident will start to erect monuments. Imagine: a child enters the bedroom, and there is a memorial: "Our grandmother gave up her ghost on this bed."
    11. olegfbi
      olegfbi 24 January 2016 19: 38
      -6
      that's for sure It was not worth giving slack !!!
      As for the topic of Katyn, raised in the article, there is a cynical concept - Military necessity! After all, it is absolutely clear that the maintenance of generally not completely loyal professional military personnel in the face of a military threat is at least dangerous for the state! In general, it’s easier to shoot and forget, which is what everyone used always!
      Such is life, cynical ...
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 12: 59
        0
        If Polish officers wished to remain in the territory occupied by the Wehrmacht, note that then the Polish government was in immigration, was in military relations with Germany, and it also declared war on the USSR, after in 1940 the USSR transferred to Lithuania the territory occupied by the Poles earlier, not in 1939, when the Red Army entered the territory of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus, and in 1940. If before that the officers were emigrants on the territory of the USSR and were in a free settlement, with free admission to the cities, then it was after the declaration of war by the Polish governments in exile that the Poles had to be considered as prisoners of war and settled in camps. The Poles at that time were in allied relations with England and its soldiers and sailors, especially pilots, actively participated in battles against the "Boches". But as soon as Germany attacks the USSR, the Polish government in exile automatically becomes an ally of the USSR, together with Britain, and the previous documents lose their meaning. It's like with the pact (an unofficial document supplementing the peace treaty, which provides for actions not provided for by the treaty, and has no legal force) Ribbentrop-Molotov, the war began, the treaty is invalid. Why would the USSR kill its war allies? Indeed, since September, the Polish government has been visiting the USSR and concluding an agreement on the creation of the Polish Army on the territory of the USSR. What military necessity exists in the execution of officers of the army allied to us? But the officers of the Russophobes of the Polish army, apparently, like you, who do not understand that Germany is at war with Poland, and is becoming an ally of Poland with the USSR, wanted to stay on the principle: "As soon as war and surrender, otherwise they will be forced to fight." About how Andersen's army fought in the West, I inscribed above ... in how I bent, but did not "write".
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    13. maxiban
      maxiban 24 January 2016 20: 07
      0
      "A Pole is not a nationality, but a profession." (Old adage)
    14. Will
      Will 24 January 2016 21: 11
      +2
      I think that the answer to the question of the article is quite simple - "strangers" are always forgiven more, like what you take from them - "strangers", but the demands of relatives and friends are often overstated, and duties - understated - are supposedly forgiven for their own. But it was not there!
      Therefore, the only option in all of this is for everyone and for everyone with the same measure. If the villain is a murderer - he is a villain murderer, regardless of his / her alien. It is time for people to transfer mathematical logic to the household level. Something like that.)
    15. Alex20042004
      Alex20042004 24 January 2016 21: 41
      +2
      In Poland, after the 1917 revolution, all the enemies of the then still young Soviet government gathered, and what happened next was a continuation of the struggle for communist ideals.
      Now everything has changed. .........
      PS.
      Everyone respects the strong and the author does not need to go in cycles.
      Us Rat and spit, what they think about us!
    16. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 25 January 2016 00: 14
      +2
      Quote: NIKNN
      So who should apologize to anyone? request

      As for the question about Katyn, the two recognize this as a crime (very controversial), while they forget (or do not know) about the fate of the captured Red Army soldiers, the Stshalkov camp, Tukhol and several others. One of my old comments.
      In a number of sources (Kakurin, millers) are called figures up to 100 people. But what are these 000 non-people against the backdrop of the Katyn 100 - 000 people of the Greater Poland race. The Poles did the same with the captured Red Army men much more humane than someone with Polish prisoners of war in Katyn. Nobody shot anyone, the prisoners were dying from bestial livestock (typhoid, dysentery, etc.) and starvation, many in their own or others' stools could not rise and leave the barracks. Those lucky were killed by drafts of the dashing Polish cavalrymen (to practice saber attacks on subhumans, a favorite pastime of Polish warriors). To get a bullet in the back of my head amid this ... in general, everything is in strict accordance with European humanism.
    17. ava09
      ava09 25 January 2016 05: 57
      0
      Quote: NIKNN
      The Russians apologized for their crime.


      It was not worth giving slack, now they sit on their heads and don’t remember why for some reason 1920-1923 climbed into our civilian. and what they did.
      in the future, about 80 thousand of the Red Army from the total number captured in Polish captivity, died of hunger, disease, torture, bullying and executions


      So who should apologize to anyone? request

      These are the "lop-eared" and repent, which can be manipulated by correctly posing the question! None of them thought - THERE WAS NO CRIME, there is nothing for Russians to "repent" of!
    18. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 25 January 2016 09: 44
      0
      That's for sure ... unfortunately all our "brothers" and the rest of the Slavs went over to the side of the West, forgetting about their history and their kind ... it turns out that they only recognize strength.
    19. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 10: 19
      0
      Russians committed a crime by shooting 15 of thousands of Polish prisoners of war
      The author apparently decided to promote: people already upload photos of this place in June 1941, when this place was a favorite vacation spot for people, it differed only in that there was a rest house for the NKVD workers. One girl (then a girl) even remembered that the children were specially spinning at the entrance to the rest house, as the officers often brought them sweets. I don’t even know if it is worth reading further, someone who does not have information.
    20. vell.65
      vell.65 25 January 2016 11: 00
      +1
      Quote: NIKNN
      So who should apologize to anyone?

      For the West, i.e., the Crusaders, Russia has long been enlisted in the camp of enemies, and therefore there can be no talk of tolerance on their part. We will always be strangers to them.
    21. avdkrd
      avdkrd 25 January 2016 12: 31
      +3
      in the future, about 80 thousand of the Red Army from the total number captured in Polish captivity, died of hunger, disease, torture, bullying and executions
      So who should apologize to anyone?

      This is a favorite Western trick. The strategy of "sacrifice" is that the actions of Russia (USSR) are presented to the man in the street without a historical background, as unreasonable aggression. The Poles inflate the myth of Katyn, completely forgetting to tell about Tucholi, and react very aggressively when they are reminded of it. The role of the Czechs in the Civil War, their looting and atrocities were hushed up in the USSR, just as the role of Czech weapons in the service of Hitler was hushed up. With the Poles and their complexes, everything is clear - Russia has historically broken off their horns in all their attempts (at the expense of Russia) to enter the Club of Empires, but what did the Czechs have to forgive the Russians? Probably the fact that they restored their industry after World War II and returned their territory?
      The fashion for the role of the historical victim was invented in Israel. In no case do I deny the atrocities of fascism against the Jews, but I must admit that it all began with some justified persecution. The Jews were the first to declare war on Germany back in 1933. It all began with the March 24, 1933 issue of the Daily Express newspaper. This was followed by about six more declarations of war from various news agencies in Germany and the United States.
      1. dzeredzavkomimu
        dzeredzavkomimu 26 January 2016 22: 26
        +1
        and the Slavs, cygans, and other nationalities which Hitler considered subhuman, declared the same war? The Jews have always been guilty of all their lives (as we have now) with them, and since they settled in the United States for a long time, they heroized them .American Jews sense the gaining power and try to strangle it radically, like any rival of the United States, analogies are traced, but not direct
      2. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 27 January 2016 10: 04
        -1
        Very interesting fact! For the first time I hear that a nation that does not have a constitution, territory, anthem, coat of arms and any recognition from the League of the United Nations declares war on a sovereign state. [Quote = avdkrd] Jews declared war on Germany first [/ quote]
        [quote = avdkrd]. It is very likely that Goebbels’s step is the same as with Katyn. Yes, even on the first page ... they were not threatened to set fire there in the Reichstag text. But thanks anyway, the fact itself is very interesting.
    22. maximus_1974
      maximus_1974 25 January 2016 13: 07
      0
      Moreover, there are documents confirming the murder of Polish officers by the Nazis.
    23. BLACK-SHARK-64
      BLACK-SHARK-64 25 January 2016 21: 12
      +1
      we must not apologize to anyone ..... angry
    24. Fast_mutant
      Fast_mutant 26 January 2016 02: 05
      +1
      There is such a book: "Katyn. A lie that has become history" Elena Prudnikova, Ivan Chigirin 2011. http://paraknig.ru/view/177007
      Required reading!
      Very interesting, informative, objective.

      So why should we apologize for what we did not do?
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 27 January 2016 10: 13
        0
        - "Why are you going to butt me?" - the gray cried in fright.
        - "For the fact that you want to butt" - the goat answered the wolf. - "Let everyone know that a wolf can be skinned if you butt with a crowd!"
        Admins! how did the "goat" prevent you in the plural?
    25. andrew42
      andrew42 26 January 2016 14: 22
      0
      Article from the point of view of a Czech. Although Katyn is remembered, and Michalu's surname does not sound Czech (rather in Romanian), this is a "Czech" opinion. What has to do with Polish-Russian and Polish-Soviet relations? Did you rush p3,14a over bumps? This time. And two: we must always look for allies, especially "work" among those who are so deliberately brought up to be our opponents. If you do not oppose this method of the enemy, but push everyone away en masse, then the day after tomorrow a new "ukradina" will be drawn even closer to Moscow. It is clear that allies need to be filtered, no one needs to be registered as friends, if outside the state, while no one forbids publicizing friendship, but your sandbox must be protected, including from "friends", and even from friends. If you stand in the pose "I am the only one, D Artagnan, go to f", then any ethnic group will be hunted, even such a great one as Russian, even with all the peoples of Russia together, - they will start to pull out piece by piece. Great article. Such writers need to be stimulated and stimulated. And do not yell stupidly "you are not our brothers!", Likening to maydauns.
  2. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 24 January 2016 16: 18
    55
    What are the Poles, what are the Balts ... Nemchur and our century-old enemies! No offense, but now it is clearly showing again ... And we do not even take offense at you! We will teach again .. That's just everything will be different!
    "Workers of all countries unite .." will no longer be ... We will act smarter .. (have already learned))))
    1. Misha Honest
      Misha Honest 24 January 2016 16: 22
      35
      The Russians apologized for their crime.

      But there is still no conclusive evidence that it was not the Germans who shot it or that the executed were not traitors to the Polish people. And those KGB archives published in the 90s could well have been fake Yankees.
      Sorry, but I don’t believe in Katyn! Too much in this story BUT and Chernukha ...
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 24 January 2016 18: 45
        +7
        Everyone already knows that these documents are fake Democrats.
        1. meriem1
          meriem1 24 January 2016 19: 02
          +4
          Quote: Pereira
          Everyone already knows that these documents are fake Democrats.


          Documents are fiction !!! No one except the liberals saw them.
      2. besserbest
        besserbest 25 January 2016 01: 52
        +2
        There is evidence. They were introduced by Gene. USSR prosecutors at the Nuremberg trials. See documents.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 24 January 2016 16: 23
      27
      Again about Katyn ... how much can you already ?!
      After all, everything has already been chewed, chewed, well, again, Ilyukhin's report to spread request
      We became guilty without guilt, and the ladies also blamed for this forgery.
      Who is he after that? pah, disgusting am
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 24 January 2016 16: 36
        46
        Don’t get hung up on what Polish politicians say. It’s profitable for politicians to fiddle with old bones. They are Catholics ... although God is one, but we are standing on different shores. I’d like to say to all of this Young European chable: sad
      2. valokordin
        valokordin 24 January 2016 17: 10
        +4
        Quote: Stroporez
        Again about Katyn ... how much can you already ?!
        After all, everything has already been chewed, chewed, well, again, Ilyukhin's report to spread request
        We became guilty without guilt, and the ladies also blamed for this forgery.
        Who is he after that? pah, disgusting am

        And who allowed him to apologize?
      3. Manul
        Manul 24 January 2016 19: 14
        +7
        Quote: Stroporez
        After all, everything has already been chewed, chewed, well, again, Ilyukhin's report to spread

        No need to be lazy. People come new. You can even give a reference wink hi
        http://www.katyn.ru/index.php?go=Pages&id=621&in=view
    3. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 24 January 2016 16: 32
      13
      Quote: MIKHAN
      What are the Poles, what are the Balts ... Nemchur and our century-old enemies!

      The Czech, it seems, wrote an article. I just do not understand what he cares about Katyn? request
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 24 January 2016 16: 36
        13
        Quote: Vladimirets
        The Czech, it seems, wrote an article.

        And the Czechs also forgot that they fought on Hitler’s side, memory, damn short am
        1. kartalovkolya
          kartalovkolya 24 January 2016 16: 49
          27
          Bestiality and nothing else comes to mind when reading and listening to the "revelations" of these Scoundrels! The creatures who plundered the gold reserves of Russia, thanks to him raised their industry, and then with the whole "herd" went over to the side of Adolf, dared to open their mouths and condemn Russia! And so the whole of Europe, a prostitute, spread under fascist Germany, is now trying to present something to Russia that defeated them! The impudence of these scum knows no bounds, and if we talk about the Germans, they were our enemies, who are not trying to hide it now! And as a worthy enemy they are worthy of respect, unlike those who "... and we plowed ..."! (only first against Hitler, and then against him)! And by the way about forgiveness: I don’t remember that we forgave them! And the fact that a traitor to Russia and our entire history apologized to them is their business, WE WILL NOT ASK FOR FORGIVENESS IN ANYONE. And on this DOT is fat and huge!
          1. Kunar
            Kunar 26 January 2016 18: 20
            0
            And they will vomit, erase from the card)))) Tea is not the first time .....
        2. shvn
          shvn 24 January 2016 16: 57
          +1
          And at home this little article to squeeze weakly or what? Che scribbles on our resources?
        3. tolancop
          tolancop 24 January 2016 17: 22
          +5
          And not only fought, but also drove military products of the highest quality TO THE LAST ...
          That's why pornography is full of Czechs? Perhaps this is not an accident, but the state of mind is ... whore.
          1. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 13: 19
            -1
            Quote: tolancop
            drove military products of the highest quality BEFORE THE LAST ...

            Here you are wrong, ours used the 8-ton Tatras, but to a limited extent, most often at headquarters, because the build quality was very unimportant, and using them on long trips was fraught with breakdowns. But the dimensions of their bodies, especially the kungs, made it possible to use them as mobile headquarters. It was also not recommended to use the T-38t chassis for self-propelled vehicles with Russian weapons, these are the real ones from the Czech army, they were distinguished by their durability, and released during the war ...
        4. Seal
          Seal 24 January 2016 19: 52
          +6
          Yes, actually the Czechs on the side of Hitler did not fight.

          If you are talking about the SS Bohemia and Moravia Volunteer Infantry Division, which received divisional status only in 1945, then its ethnic composition is Germans from among the teaching staff of SS schools and training camps, Czechoslovak Volksdeutsche (volunteers and mobilized). Commanders - Gustav Lombard, August-Wilhelm Trabant.

          Actually, the Czechs in this division appeared only in February 1945, when the first enrollment of Czechs took place in the SS Brisken police regiment, which was included in the 31st SS Bohemia and Moravia Volunteer Grenadier Division (31. SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier -Division).

          A little later, somewhere in March-April 1945, the Czechs, mainly soldiers and cavalry officers of the former Czechoslovak army, formed the second SS division (900 men) - the 37th SS Lutzov volunteer cavalry division (37. SS-Freiwilligen -Kavallerie-Division "Lützow").

          Well, even during the Prague uprising on May 5, 1945, from the young activists of various Czech fascist organizations that appeared in the country during the occupation, and fighters of the special forces of the SS (Oddíly ZZ), the SS Volunteer Company "Svatováclavská dobrovolnická rota ZZ ) The division totaled 77 people. They joined the German garrison of the Czech capital.

          Out of almost 5 million Czechs, only about 2 thousand people actually fought (or theoretically could have fought) on the side of Hitler. And then at the very end of the war. Sorry, but even more Jews fought for Hitler than Czechs.
          1. ZIS
            ZIS 24 January 2016 20: 35
            0
            And that only the SS fought against us? In the Wehrmacht of the Czechs there was a flea sho on a mutt.
            1. perm23
              perm23 25 January 2016 06: 19
              0
              Guderian every third tanker was a Czech. And certainly not to forget. that the Czechs regularly riveted weapons until May 9th. And as for the apology, it was our liberals who thought in this way to cajole the West. And the West is simple. gave a finger, they ask for a hand, give a hand you will bite off the whole body.
              1. Seal
                Seal 28 January 2016 20: 54
                0
                Guderian every third tanker was Czech

                Proof, please.
            2. Seal
              Seal 28 January 2016 20: 55
              0
              In the Wehrmacht of the Czechs there was a flea sho on a mutt.

              No volunteers were taken to the Wehrmacht. They called for the Wehrmacht. And only Germans could call to the Wehrmacht. Well, or semi-Germans (Sudeten Germans, Silesian Germans. They could even be with Polish or Czech surnames)
              But volunteers are in the SS.
              So, proof, please.
        5. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 13: 11
          +1
          Quote: Stroporez
          that on Hitler’s side fought

          Just asking would not hurt how many Czechs about the Croats the word goes, how they became famous for their cruelty, were mobilized into the German army and how many were captured, see the table above. I have no complaints against the Czechs, the people are forced, but I know that they did not have a single clash with Kovpak. Once Kovpak’s intelligence missed the mark, stood fifty meters in front of each other, then the Czechs shot into the air and left.
      2. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 24 January 2016 16: 41
        11
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: MIKHAN
        What are the Poles, what are the Balts ... Nemchur and our century-old enemies!

        The Czech, it seems, wrote an article. I just do not understand what he cares about Katyn? request

        Europe in a word ... Hitler wants again!
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 24 January 2016 16: 50
          +8
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Europe in a word ... Hitler wants again!

          then he will heat the stoves there with the Tolirasti, and he will sew gloves from the rear-drive dovecote yes
          PS.Mikhan catch plus and rating support! You're not a "marshal" either? belay request I haven’t been here for a long time lol
      3. ty60
        ty60 24 January 2016 19: 11
        +3
        He cares about himself. When crowds of Islamic refugees led by mattress instructors hang orange flags in Prague. There will be no one to ask for help except from Russia.
      4. kotvov
        kotvov 24 January 2016 19: 43
        0
        The Czech, it seems, wrote an article. I just do not understand what he cares about Katyn? ,,
        they organized something there (Vysehrad Four) like a new union, now they are ready to tear, or a friend, or each other, but the memory is short, they forgot how the Poles and their deutsche tore their country.
    4. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 13: 05
      -1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      .We will be smarter than we act.

      Who wants to get butter for bread - to donate blood. Who wants warm clothes for snow removal.
  3. Dembel77
    Dembel77 24 January 2016 16: 42
    34
    What is this word "Russian"? For the last hundred years this word has meant our nationality. But why are all other nationalities - nouns - "French", "German", "Kazakh", and the word "Russian" is an adjective?
    And what happened before the 1917 revolution? “Russian” meant roughly the same as now “Russian”. Personally, I absolutely do not like the word "Russian", its meaning is filled with humiliation of the 90s and vulgarized by the sickening speeches of citizen Eltsin.
    Before the revolution, “Russians” were called not only the Belarusians, the Little Russians, the Great Russians (!) - (this is the correct name for the main, in 80%, ethnic group of today's Russia), but also the Tatar and Chukchi, as well as all other citizens of the Russian Empire. Hence, the Russian traveler Vitus Bering, the Russian commander Bagrationi, etc.
    The Bolsheviks (the percentage of Jews in the first government of Soviet Russia was named by Putin, search the net for anyone interested) actively disliked both roots of the word "Great Russian", so the "Great Russians" were recorded as Russians, the Little Russians became Ukrainians, and the Belarusians were explained that they were not Russian , and Belarusians.
    There is no exaltation in the word "Great Russian", just as in the word "Little Russian" there is no belittling. "Great" in Russian has always meant "large", "numerous". And "small homeland" meant the place where you were born and started your life. In Poland, there is a historical area around Krakow called "Little Poland" - where the Polish statehood was born. And in Little Russia, the Russian Empire was born, so it is not a shame to be a Little Russian, but honorable. It's a shame to be a Ukrainian, that is, a "khatoskrainik".
    In the names of our three fraternal peoples, one root, like our peoples, has come out of a single root - Rus. And together we are Russians. I don’t know how this word happened, someone says that because of the color of the hair, someone that was called the caste of the ancient Slavic warriors, it was also an honor to call a Rus, as in recent times, for example, a Cossack.
    Want to learn an interesting method to make sure the correct name of our people. I heard it from one very wise person.
    You need to get up, straightening your back, calm down, damp down the bustle inside yourself, listen to your own feelings.
    And proudly say: "I am RUS!"
    Personally, I felt waves of heat and coolness flowing along the spine, my body was covered with goosebumps, as if tens of times reinforced the impression of my favorite music.
    As if the genetic memory itself answered me: "YES, YOU ARE RUS. THIS IS TRUE."
    Try it yourself.
    And then say "I AM RUSSIAN!" And the response will already be much weaker. Here is the conclusion.
    Maybe this is the reason why they do not forgive us? But do we - the Russians - need it? We have lost the dignity of our Great nation, and after that the respect of others! How much can we humiliate and trample and spit in our direction for any reason? Patience is already ending.
    1. Soldier Sukhov
      Soldier Sukhov 24 January 2016 18: 19
      +8
      My dear! Thank you for the topic. This is a sore scratch in our pride, she screams to the whole body of Mother Russia: "Wake up, my sons, you are Rus. (Russ), that is, Who? And not Russians (what?). Try to put your nationality, stop being shy!
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 24 January 2016 22: 43
        0
        Sukhov, you are wrong, yes, all nations are denoted by nouns, but all races are adjectives. Rus is the original name of the white race. Moreover, only the northern Europeans can be attributed to our white race, the southern Europeans belong to the new gray race.
      2. besserbest
        besserbest 25 January 2016 01: 54
        +2
        Abroad, we all (USSR) were RUSSIAN.
    2. Seal
      Seal 24 January 2016 20: 05
      +9
      V. I. Dahl did not want to consider himself and by blood alien to the Slavs. In some magazine, Melnikov reported, Dahl read an article about the Slavs in Danii. There it was mentioned about the Slavs in Danii - Dalyakh. “One should have seen the enthusiasm of Vladimir Ivanovich at the same time!”
      But on the other hand, it should be noted that Dal was a German by his mother, his relatives were Freytagi's mother - Germans, his sister married a German; his mother, widowed, lived in Dorpat; Sam Dahl received higher education at the German University of Derpt; while studying there, he revolved, mainly in German society,; later, serving in St. Petersburg in the medical field, Dahl was also among the Germans. According to Melnikov (p. 294), “although Dahl was completely Russian, but thanks to a non-Russian nickname (and education at Derpt University, we add), he enjoyed the sympathy and goodwill of German doctors, who then dominated St. Petersburg’s medicine and jealousy and their income from doctors of Russian origin. " Indeed, the Germans considered V.I. Dahl to be their own, German.
      Shortly before Dahl's death, however, his Germans' Derpt friends, apparently, were attacked by some doubt. According to Melnikov (p. 340), they demanded a categorical answer from him, who is he, Russian or German.
      Here is what Dahl replied to them: “Neither nickname, nor religion, nor the blood of ancestors make a person an belonging to one or another nationality. The spirit, the soul of man - that’s where you need to look for his belonging to one or another people. How can one determine the belonging of the spirit? Of course, the manifestation of the spirit, thought. Whoever thinks in what language, belongs to that people. I think in Russian "...
      Therefore, I would say that in Russia there are different peoples: Slavs, Tatars, Chuvashs, Mordovians, Chechens .. Jews .. and so on, even blacks are found. But only if each individual person feels himself to be a single component of a great country, if he understands and perceives as his own - the imperial Russian spirit, if he thinks in Russian, then he ... Russian. Accordingly, in Russia - all those who think in Russian, in whom the imperial Russian spirit - they are Russians. Russian Slavs, Russian Tatars, Russian Bashkirs, Russian Udmurts, Russian Chechens, Russian Jews ... and even Russian blacks.
      And, accordingly, there may be non-Russian Slavs. Koi are found in many swamp areas.
      1. denis6064
        denis6064 24 January 2016 21: 47
        +2
        I just talked with a friend, works in Gdansk (Poland). I myself am a Belarusian with a Svidomo bias. There were so many disputes, I tried to prove to him that we are one people (I don’t perceive). And here he says: I'm a stranger in Poland, in Russia I feel at home, but a stranger in Poland.
    3. Shurik70
      Shurik70 24 January 2016 21: 09
      10
      Quote: Dembel 77
      Why are all other nationalities - nouns - "French", "German", "Kazakh", and the word "Russian" is an adjective?


      Because being a Russian is a nationality.
      And being Russian is a state of mind.
      When in 41st Komsomol members in burning pillboxes say "surrender rus!" shouted "the Russians do not give up!", they did not think about nationality. Georgians, Kazakhs - they were all Russians.

      I have a Russian father, a Tatar mother. But both of them are Russians.
      And I am RUSSIAN.
    4. Weyland
      Weyland 26 January 2016 01: 45
      +2
      Quote: Dembel 77
      But why are all other nationalities - nouns - "French", "German", "Kazakh", and the word "Russian" is an adjective?

      It's in Russian language they are nouns, but in their own languages, for example
      Deutsch = Teutisch (lit. "Teutonic")
      Espanol - lit. "Spanish"
      Français - lit. "французский"...
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 27 January 2016 10: 51
        0
        I hasten to please you: your comment is already in the search engine, but what's going on? further through the line Deutsch is not Teutonic, but German. First German, then German. People are not friendly at all. Well, there is no such country "unmetchina" is Germany.
      2. Scraptor
        Scraptor 27 January 2016 22: 50
        0
        Francais is the essential language of Franc,
        Franco-Prussian war, frank freemasonry ...

        with other nationalities also - all nouns except Russian
  4. vlad66
    vlad66 24 January 2016 16: 43
    34

    On the Polish territory in Katyn, the Russians committed a crime by shooting 15 thousand Polish prisoners of war (and possibly more).

    Yes, already tired, not only do they not know that Katyn is located 18 km from Smolensk, this is the territory of the Russian Federation, in those years the RSFSR was not Polish either, so again they attribute the sins of others, the report of the late Victor Ilyukhin, said quite different, only DAM with MSG licked their asses for the sake of Westerners, damn pah. Let them go damn ... they teach geography and history. fool
  5. AM10101946
    AM10101946 24 January 2016 16: 48
    12
    Yes, the Poles have hatred of the Russian people, since the time of Ancient Rus, our ancestors of the Poles did not enslave themselves and become slaves, you can’t live on hatred for a long time, and it will probably take a long time for the Poles to realize that it’s better to live in peace than in war!
  6. REMBO
    REMBO 24 January 2016 17: 28
    +4
    We saved Europe without sparing our lives. Only a Russian person can risk his life, liberate countries and peoples and go home to celebrate a victory, without even waiting for gratitude. Here is the song - http://vk.com/audios179098322?q=%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BD%D1%8F%D1%82%20%D0%B0%D0
    %BB%D1%8C%D0%BF%D1%8B
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  7. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 24 January 2016 17: 31
    14
    What did he write ?? On the Polish territory in Katyn ?? Was it when Smolensk was Polish territory? In the 17th century, yes. But not in the 20th .. Generally, the Smolensk people do not like to visit this place near Gnezdovo, if the Poles call in there, then .. On the Orthodox side of this memorial, leave everything as it is — Catholic close it to Edren’s hair dryer. I was born and lived in Smolensk for many years, now I moved to Krasnodar Krai, but still I think there’s nothing to organize repentance in beautiful Russian ancient Smolensk, especially since our monuments destroy ...
    1. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 24 January 2016 17: 46
      +5
      - The attitude is really very strange. Yes, I agree that the Poles have no special reason to love us, Russians, because, firstly, we constantly fought in the Middle Ages and later (no matter how much we would like to present all this in the form of "we were just defending ourselves ..." - but now it is simply impossible to establish exactly "who started it first"), and secondly, together with Hitler, Stalin calmly divided Poland into "zones of influence" and brought in Soviet troops there. And he introduced it not at all to "protect the poor Poles from the Germans", but exclusively as an occupation army. I don't see anything terrible or shameful in this at all, the 20th century, in principle, was a century of wars, large and small, a century of redrawing zones of influence. Then there was a war with Hitler, after the victory over which Soviet power was re-established in Poland. Whether it was good or bad - it doesn't matter at all, the Poles think so, the Russians - otherwise, but the fact is that the Poles, at first, barked at the dog more than themselves (Germany and Danzig, which, at least formally, started the war with Poland), then they failed to defend their home, their state, gave it into the hands of the Germans, Russians and received it back not by force of arms and military spirit, but as a gift after the death of the Red Bear. And now the Poles remember the facts of Soviet "crimes" a lot and willingly, but for some reason they "forget" about the German ones, exactly the same and more terrible actions. Yes, the German occupation lasted incomparably less than the Soviet one. But it was not an example more monstrous, it was cannibalistic, there were ghettos for Jews, there were death camps, there was everything. And it pisses me off not that the Poles spit in the direction of Russia, but that they spit only towards Russia. This means that it is not a thirst for historical justice that motivates them, but hypocrisy and a desire to please "senior partners".
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 24 January 2016 17: 57
        +5
        Such as you rewrite history, denigrating the Victory of the Soviet Arms and bleaching the whole gnash created by the West so beloved to you, such as you trying to impress our children that Hitler was good and attacked the Soviet Union only because of the Communists and in self-defense
        1. Haettenschweiler
          Haettenschweiler 24 January 2016 19: 02
          0
          Quote: Lalaika
          Such as you rewrite history, denigrating the Victory of the Soviet Arms and bleaching the whole gnash created by the West so beloved to you, such as you trying to impress our children that Hitler was good and attacked the Soviet Union only because of the Communists and in self-defense


          - Of course, are you ready to submit the facts of this my abominable behavior to the public for trial? After all, you will not begin to invent such rubbish simply because you personally do not like me, which means that Russia’s ardent enemy in any manifestation.
          1. BaLaLaykin
            BaLaLaykin 25 January 2016 00: 38
            0
            re-read your post from above, and then remember how many soldiers died liberating Poland (as you say the occupation troops and the red bear)
            1. Haettenschweiler
              Haettenschweiler 25 January 2016 04: 57
              0
              Quote: Lalaika
              re-read your post from above, and then remember how many soldiers died liberating Poland (as you say the occupation troops and the red bear)


              - The soldiers died a lot. A lot of them also died in Poland after the first hit of Hitler. Each of them is a pity. What does it change? Do you have any complexes about the fact that after the war the USSR controlled half of Europe, from the East? Or do you think that it was amicable and in no way connected with the Red Army, which managed to turn the tide of the war in its favor and drove the Germans with kicks back to their lair? If yes, then the question is - why before the victory of the Nazi forces in these countries, they did not really admit sympathy for the Soviet system, but rather, they gladly sided with the Axis - Romania, Hungary, etc. Why was the underground in all the countries occupied by Germany so insignificant and could not even be compared with the powerful partisan movement in the USSR?
          2. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 27 January 2016 11: 08
            0
            Quote: Haettenschweiler
            that hitler was good

            Hitler was no worse or better than all the other dictators of the 1930-1950s. He just decided that he should be the most important dictator of the world, and he was not forgiven for this, we must remember the first clash of empires, where the British, when the ships of capitulating Germany came to the ports of England, they were met so that the sailors! of the German fleet opened the Kingstones and sank their ships. They were flooded not in the first hours of the arrival, but after two months of standing in the bays. England lived with one slogan: "Do not forget that they are just pigs, and they have the fate of pigs .." Do you have Churchill a Democrat after the suppression of the uprising in India? Franco you have a Democrat? Is Mussolini a sweet man? British concentration camps for the "Boers" differed from the German only in the absence of gas chambers.
      2. valerei
        valerei 24 January 2016 18: 15
        +5
        Poles after the First World War, like dogs, began to tear the remnants of collapsing empires and Germany, too. As a result: the Russian Empire was at war, and Poland cut its lands almost along its perimeter. One Danzig corridor was worth what and became one of the reasons for the German attack.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 24 January 2016 18: 51
          +3
          Quote: valerei
          Poles after the First World War as dogs began to tear the remnants of collapsing empires

          "Unfortunate" psheki and Czechoslovakia were fought no worse than the Germans before WWII.
      3. Seal
        Seal 24 January 2016 20: 12
        +4
        were ghettos for the Jews

        There were. But how did the Poles themselves relate to them (the ghetto). This attitude was best expressed by the Jews themselves.

        Ghetto. 1943 year

        When the ghetto burned
        When the ghetto burned
        Warsaw was amazed
        Four consecutive days.
        And there was so much cod
        And there was so much light
        And people said:
        ≈ Bedbugs burn.

        And after a quarter century
        Two wise people
        Sat behind a bottle
        Good wine
        And Janusz told me
        The Thinker and Colleague:
        ≈ Russians have before Poland
        I have my own fault.
        Why are you in the 45th
        Standing in front of the Vistula?
        Warsaw is dying!
        Who will let her live?
        And I told him: ≈ First
        Silenok was few,
        And it turned out, with the help of
        You can’t rush.

        ≈ Warsaw uprising
        Crushed and crushed
        The Warsaw Uprising
        Sunk in the blood.
        Better I die
        Than I will let my brother die, ≈
        With a great trembling voice
        My vis-a-vis said.

        And I told him this:
        ≈ When the ghetto burned,
        When the ghetto burned
        Four consecutive days
        And there was so much cod
        And there was so much light
        And you all said:
        "The bugs are burning."

        And the first Jewish pogroms literally immediately after the end of World War II took place .. again in Poland.
        1. Haettenschweiler
          Haettenschweiler 24 January 2016 20: 20
          +3
          Quote: Seal
          There were. But how did the Poles themselves relate to them (the ghetto). This attitude was best expressed by the Jews themselves.


          - The Jews have no faith in this matter. Because ... they benefit. How, suddenly, after the end of the war, when the Germans were forced to pay compensation to the Jews, almost more Jews survived than lived in Europe before the war? How does the world-renowned center Yad Vashem publish data on "victims", do you know? Nobody checks anything ... the truth in this case is not interesting to anyone. In the same Auschwitz, the number of victims at first was 1,5 million ... then SUDDENLY it became immediately 4. I do not even know how many there are now "counted". In the German death camps, Russians, and Ukrainians, and Belarusians, and Caucasians, and the Germans themselves, and the Poles perished in a fierce manner ... but only the Jews turned this tragedy into a sacred cow, into a way of enrichment. And then it was completely forbidden by law (criminal liability!) To even doubt the "Holocaust" in many European countries. And even more so trying to understand who and how much the bloody Nazis tortured in their camps. I repeat, I do not deny the crimes and atrocities of the Nazis. But I have a very negative attitude to the Jewish way to make a fortune on this, to make a business.
        2. UNFAMILIAR
          UNFAMILIAR 24 January 2016 23: 31
          +3
          Quote: Seal
          There were. But how did the Poles themselves relate to them (the ghetto). This attitude was best expressed by the Jews themselves.

          I read a book by Henry Miller "Sexus", the book is not about that, BUT! from it I learned that there was a Jewish ghetto in Krakow since the independence of Poland, and that in the early 20s (apparently inspired by the "miracle on the Vistula"), the Poles, with the help of army units, cleared it out, with the murder of pregnant women and old people, German Nazism has not yet formed.
      4. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 27 January 2016 10: 57
        0
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        that they spit only towards Russia

        You are wrong here: Hungary has filed territorial claims against all its neighbors, Romania is pulling for Moldova, Germany is looking at Gdansk. Mexico still has no contractual relationship with the United States due to Texas. Japan - China, Japan-Russia. ..
  8. rpek32
    rpek32 24 January 2016 18: 17
    +3
    Germans were forgiven because bros. and the Russians are not brothers. everything is simple
  9. sherp2015
    sherp2015 24 January 2016 19: 41
    +1
    Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
    We don’t need such friends, for sure they will wait for a blow in the back.


    Pansky Poland constantly spoiled Russia, periodically seized its lands. And how many were destroyed by Polish monsters of the Red Army captured because of the villain Tukhlo - Chevsky?
    The USSR saved this territorial entity and even slaughtered her foreign lands, hoping that the "psheks" became people. short memory of these gentlemen
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 24 January 2016 21: 03
      +3
      Quote: sherp2015
      The USSR saved this territorial entity and even slaughtered her foreign lands, hoping that the "psheks" became people. short memory of these gentlemen

      .. it was never long with them .. having taken Austria, Prussia and Russia .. Poland ceased to exist as a state in 1795, divided between them .. Pshek learned the mind more than once .. but the whole lesson, not good ..as we see now .. hi
  10. Scraptor
    Scraptor 24 January 2016 21: 34
    +3
    The Gorbachev-Yakovlevsky slander was all in the USSR, the Polish officers were shot there by the Germans in 1941.
  11. Cherdak
    Cherdak 24 January 2016 21: 50
    +6
    Quote: Author Petr Michalu
    On Polish territory in Katyn, the Russians committed a crime by shooting 15 thousand Polish prisoners of war.


    "Like Petruha, so Chernukha"- folk wisdom.

    The Germans came to Smolensk three weeks after the start of the war. In the bustle of evacuation, the camp administration did not give wagons to take out the prisoners, and they didn’t want to walk. In general, according to the NKVD informants, the Poles treated the Germans with much more sympathy than the Russians. The protection of the camps and some of the prisoners (mostly Jews) went east, the rest went to the Germans.

    In August 1941, five kilometers from Katyn, the construction of the headquarters of Army Group Center began. Usually, during the construction of secret facilities, the Germans used prisoners, who were then destroyed. And since they had ready workers at their disposal teams of Polish camps, much more loyal to the Germansthan the Russian prisoners, then using them for such an important construction was of direct meaning. After the completion of construction work, the Poles were taken to the Katyn forest and shot. There is nothing particularly outstanding in this; the Germans practiced this method throughout the war.


    ... the key documents of the Katyn case ("Package No. 1") are deliberate fake, created with the aim of distorting the role of Joseph Stalin and the USSR in the history of the XX century. hi
  12. marlin1203
    marlin1203 24 January 2016 22: 53
    0
    In fact, the Poles also shot captured Red Army soldiers. And when our post-revolutionary collapse was not missed and "bit off" the same western Ukraine. So it is a sin for them to cry too.
  13. ratfly
    ratfly 25 January 2016 02: 11
    +2
    I already spoke out somehow. You can’t be friends with countries. The best business relationship. With whom in the Union Brezhnev kissed everyone betrayed. Everything is a proverb: it is better to be friends with a business partner than to do business with a friend. And then there will be no screams - They betrayed us! Well, of course it’s disgusting, but such a world. Who is good today?
  14. shasherin.pavel
    shasherin.pavel 25 January 2016 10: 26
    -2
    Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
    We don’t need such friends

    Let's replace with allies, and everything will fall into place.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 January 2016 16: 08
    12
    Maybe because the countries of eastern Europe are used to obeying the owner?
    And we don’t behave as owners, therefore it’s not clear
    how to treat us.
    1. venaya
      venaya 24 January 2016 16: 36
      +1
      "we do not behave as owners, therefore it is not clear how to relate to us"- And why do their masters, these European slaves, need some other masters, they, the slave owners, only need other slaves in addition, and not some kind of unnecessary masters.
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 24 January 2016 16: 09
    25
    By the way, 15000 Poles "shot" Gorbachev by hanging it on the Russian people, but why are you stupidly silent about hundreds of thousands of Russians who were shot by the Poles?
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 24 January 2016 16: 42
      +5
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      By the way, 15000 Poles "shot" Gorbachev by hanging it on the Russian people

      and a certain Dmitry Anatoly this fake confirmed the continuity, however.
      1. Viktortopwar
        Viktortopwar 24 January 2016 17: 30
        +4
        So let bald with the iPhone and repent, but on my own behalf.
        But the Russians have nothing to apologize for.
  • GDV
    GDV 24 January 2016 16: 10
    11
    Czech ..... Slovaks brothers? Everything became bad and you remembered about us? And we did not forget you, too, like the Slavs.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 24 January 2016 16: 11
    +2
    the question is the same ..
  • rvRomanoff
    rvRomanoff 24 January 2016 16: 11
    12
    Since when did Katyn become Polish territory? Or do they remember the times of False Dmitry?
  • Turk
    Turk 24 January 2016 16: 12
    +4
    “We - Czechs and Poles - have forgiven the Germans, but not the Russians. And I ask - why ?!” ... There was no command from AMrika yet. Czechs and Poles! - you ask yourself this question.
    1. sichevik
      sichevik 24 January 2016 16: 29
      10
      Quote: turk
      “We - Czechs and Poles - have forgiven the Germans, but not the Russians. And I ask - why ?!” ... There was no command from AMrika yet. Czechs and Poles! - you ask yourself this question.

      And we, in principle, strongly need their forgiveness ??? Or we are very dependent on Poland. Soon, oh how soon will those times come when everyone will have to answer for their words and deeds. Somehow it seems to me that all these Svidomo protoukry crawl along with all sorts of Poles, Romanians, Bolgar, and the Czechoslovak
      Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, on all fours, make a guilty, sweet face on their face, cry into their vest about their difficult fate and start again their song about the inviolable Slavic brotherhood, about the great friendship and love between our peoples. It's like in the cartoon: "Forgive us, Leopold ..."
      1. shvn
        shvn 24 January 2016 16: 35
        +3
        And you can get past this little article ... And in the Czech Republic, someone read it? Or is there censorship not allowing Russians to be remembered?
        1. KVIRTU
          KVIRTU 24 January 2016 19: 21
          +3
          Actually, everything is clear with him: "Petr Michal is a Czech who lives in exile in Spain but wants to stay forever in Russia"
          Living in the Czech Republic would hardly have published.
  • gray smeet
    gray smeet 24 January 2016 16: 12
    17
    I read this article sometime last week, and honestly didn’t hurt me, I passed it by. It would have caused me a lot of emotions before, and now I don’t care about European opinions and thoughts ... There is Russia and it is necessary to develop it, and how the neighbors are doing it - it is necessary to look through the prism of our benefit.
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  • Comrade Bender
    Comrade Bender 24 January 2016 16: 14
    12
    And who, after all, proved that the Soviet people were shot in Poles in Katyn, with the exception of liberal prostitutes? Something I don’t remember. And since when did the Smolensk region suddenly become Polish territory?
    "Good" thoughts of a Czech with an inner smell of fondling Russia.
  • sichevik
    sichevik 24 January 2016 16: 15
    15
    Yes, because the Germans never considered them people. And now they don’t count. I even remember that in 1984 they met with Germans, Poles, Czechs, Hungarians. So even then it was struck by the neglect, contempt and coldness with which the Germans from the GDR communicated with the Poles. So, here it is not even a matter of forgiveness. They are simply still afraid of the Germans and somewhere in the depths of their consciousness they consider the Germans to be masters. This is just like the Galician racers. As they were lackeys at all times, so they remained.
    1. tolancop
      tolancop 24 January 2016 17: 28
      +4
      I myself did not come across, but I heard repeatedly from people who served over the hill that the Germans did not consider Poles for people for sure. And, IMHO, they are absolutely right.
      I read a lot of memories of WWII veterans. As a rule, the attitude towards the Germans is much more respectful than towards the Poles: yes, the Germans are enemies, but the Poles are WORSE.
    2. max2215
      max2215 24 January 2016 19: 05
      +4
      I will not say about the great Germans, but in the Middle Ages the Czech Hussites were good at piling up on both the Germans and the papal knights, and the Poles just adhered to, everyone did not know which side to take. How it happened that the Czechs did not become Great Europeans I do not know, but we, the Great Russians, have never been friends for sure. Well, the Poles could always only kick "dead lions", that is, when there was anarchy in Russia. Russia alone stood against the Tatar-Mongols, although it was a yoke? Well, neither the Mongols nor the Chinese in the ethnos even mention such really great people. Maybe there really was a war, Grazhnan between Christians and paganism, our real faith? As one clever man said - there is one faith, there are many religions.
      But there is no one to apologize to Russia for and why, less need to listen to God's chosen ones ...
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 24 January 2016 16: 16
    11
    But did we kill these Poles, or did someone drunk decide to hang this alien sin on us. No one remembers how many Russian-Soviet soldiers and commanders died in Polish concentration camps, and just those who left the Soviet regime, and as an enemy Poland-Russian-to a concentration camp. Again, if someone creates a party then I am for it. And if you do not create it, we will occasionally fart, like now I’m what kind of anti-Western ...
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  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 24 January 2016 16: 17
    10
    I really don't need such "friends and brothers" who, like parasites, will be absorbed into Russia and suck help, friendship, money out of it, and when they pump themselves, they spit and start pouring shit! We'd better forget that you are Slavs, and when they cut you down again, drown, hang - forget about us too, for we do not want to lay down our heads for you anymore - we want to live for ourselves and for ourselves!
  • Amurets
    Amurets 24 January 2016 16: 20
    17
    I’m interested in the question of which Poles, during the years of the Second World War the Anders Polish army was formed, as well as the 1st and 2nd armies of the Polish Army, if Stalin shot all the Poles in Katyn? And when will Poland finally apologize for the Russian prisoners of war who died in Poland in 1920?
    1. yehat
      yehat 24 January 2016 16: 27
      +6
      not only for the dead, but how the Poles treated the prisoners, it was very far from complying with the conventions of prisoners of war.
  • ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 24 January 2016 16: 25
    +7
    "And I'm asking WHY? !!"
    And, because we are RUSSIAN !! We are always to blame for everything, we always owe someone, we always offend someone, we always do everything "wrong", we always contradict, we always push! But, ALWAYS !! (especially worth noting) we throw pits on offended and disgruntled opponents! Me, and my family, it pleases, unspeakably ..! hi .
    1. antifa
      antifa 26 January 2016 13: 56
      -1
      Your resources are a tasty morsel for the Anglo-Saxons, you hammer on them ....
  • pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 24 January 2016 16: 26
    20
    Three times I was in Khatyn. I will always remember that the Ukrainian peasants were burned alive by Ukrainian bandits.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 24 January 2016 16: 59
      +8
      Yes 118 a police battalion has been embedded in history for centuries. Heroes of modern Ukraine.
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 24 January 2016 16: 28
    10
    Why, why ... request Ask yourself. When now you Europeans (democrats, tolerance, exceptional, etc.) come somewhere, you leave behind poverty, devastation, your foundations with your lies, raised to the rank of truth. When we come, we build schools, roads, factories. Yes, we have our own turns, but they are only due to the fact that we are a different civilization, we have a different mentality. And even sometimes our "evil" is much fairer and more valuable than your "good" ... They imposed on you. and you accepted your own path, the path of a united Western civilization, which declared itself the center of the earth and, proceeding from this, decides for others what to do. And to this rule you subordinated everything, excluding ordinary morality and justice from your benefactors. And therefore you hate trying to subjugate or destroy everything that contradicts this. And for this you need to follow the "line of the party and government", simply closing your eyes to the beam in your own eye and poking your finger at a straw from your neighbors!
    The answer lies before you, it is in front of everyone - this is exactly your attitude to the reality surrounding you. It is what you are winked what request
    Personally, my opinion ... repeat
  • izya top
    izya top 24 January 2016 16: 28
    +4
    ha, he wants to come back under the wing of Russia ... but he knows that we will not forgive everyone? the Yankees and Britons are enemies, everything is clear there. And the Czechs are traitors, and forgiving the traitors is enough, they have more than once been burned by their kindness and faith in sincerity.
    and this is all against the background of "relatives", from which, well, such vileness was not expected in any way
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 24 January 2016 21: 10
      -2
      And how many "brothers" we have ... And who are just now sucking on Mother Russia ... Yes, there are a lot of them.
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 24 January 2016 16: 29
    15
    The mouth was shut, Minin and Pozharsky forgotten ??? Sitting in your swamp and not croaking. They quickly recalled how many Russian soldiers you have lying underground, not conquerors, but liberators, so what, further to list to you, it is unreasonable?
    Fear, unfortunate, otherwise the President will suddenly get on the wrong foot, after all, take advantage of the entire Sejm together with the geyropa and that territory across the ocean:
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 January 2016 16: 29
    +8
    Choose your geyropu - and stay there. Engage in homosexual marriages, accept migrants, increase birth rates. Well and so on.
    Do not be imposed on friends. And even more so in little brothers.
  • abeluk
    abeluk 24 January 2016 16: 31
    10
    several years ago there was an article on Military Review that the European Court did not found the USSR guilty of shooting Polish officers in Katyn, the liberals forgot to inform the public of Russia and Poland about this
  • Vladislav 73
    Vladislav 73 24 January 2016 16: 37
    +4
    Nda ... How difficult everything is in the "Czech sub-kingdom"! As soon as I read about Katyn ... in general, MINUS! The message of the article seems to be correct, but how much you can chew - Katyn, Katyn! Aiphon Anatolyevich has done business for his presidency, will come around more than once!
  • JD1979
    JD1979 24 January 2016 16: 37
    10
    Where are the apologies of the Psheks for the occupation of the western part of Belarus and all that they got up there? In pursuit of the eastern territories - Bialystok do not want to return the bastards? You see, they wanted restitution. Where is the apology for the concentration camps, where many more Russians died than the Poles in Katyn who served the Germans, and they got rid of the ballast? You may still have a white and fluffy trip to Moscow, if you get it completely, it comes around.
    1. ty60
      ty60 24 January 2016 19: 34
      0
      Here in Bialystok, hold a referendum on joining Russia. And then think about how to implement this
  • Altona
    Altona 24 January 2016 16: 39
    +6
    15 thousand is a propaganda figure, several hundred scattered remains were found, the final figure was obtained by "extrapolating", multiplying the "burial density" by the area of ​​the landfill.
  • ded
    ded 24 January 2016 16: 40
    25
    I still can’t understand - what did these freaks lack?

    In 1988, he went in for sports and traveled to these countries (East Germany, Hungary, Romania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia ... etc.). Only Romanians and Albanians lived poorly.
    Poles and Bulgarians lived a little better than in the USSR. And the rest of the countries are social. camp - rolling like cheese in butter! The Czechoslovakians, Hungarians, Yugoslavs, GDRists had everything! Shops were full of food, you could buy any food, chewing gum and other nasty things - so popular in those years - a carriage and a small cart! The only thing that distinguished these countries from the countries of the "West" was the absence of cars in such quantity and of such quality as in the West and audio equipment. And they traded all this for the opportunity to work as a plumber for the "Western" gentlemen, to tinker with their shit + m!
  • Eulogius
    Eulogius 24 January 2016 16: 41
    10
    But what about the Poles who do not apologize for the tens of thousands who were chopped up, shot and starved to death (in fact) captured by the Red Army soldiers who were captured after the unsuccessful Warsaw campaign (October Revolution)? Or do different peoples have a different historical memory? WHY!!!???
  • BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 24 January 2016 16: 43
    +3
    the message of the article, sanctions do not work, apples are not bought, Gemania does not help, Russia must be "friends", otherwise we will die of hunger
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 24 January 2016 17: 07
      +9
      Apples and other products from the Poles are bought by the Republic of Belarus with subsequent re-export to the Russian Federation. So the Poles will be fed by the Republic of Belarus, and by the way, we also have shrimps with mussels, fat marsh laughing
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 24 January 2016 17: 09
        +8
        oh your chairman, that for the natural Belarusian border Russia will be closed laughing
    2. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 24 January 2016 21: 01
      0
      Quote: Lalaika
      the message of the article, sanctions do not work, apples are not bought, Gemania does not help, Russia must be "friends", otherwise we will die of hunger


      Their logic just touches us - we shot both knees, and you MUST cure us. Yes, with a bolt. Go and jump on your lap. If in my subway or bus some refugee decides to defecate, or to pee - on the sidelines of life, and NO ONE will notice the multiplication by 0 of that refugee.
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  • borys
    borys 24 January 2016 16: 45
    +9
    A bit about the Poles. Faced several times with ordinary citizens of Poland
    (It was back in Soviet times). It’s normal and adequate people
    (Slavs all the same). But the Polish political "elite" are foul-smelling
    substance of yellow-brown color. And so is not the first century. By the way,
    nay, the current Russian political "elite" is also far from all Russians
    arranges. In any case, this site can be seen.
    1. The black
      The black 24 January 2016 17: 03
      +6
      Yes, ordinary Poles are now quite adequate. Last year and this year they brought children to competitions. By the way, this year, Estonians also came. We talked with trainers. Everything as it should be - a bathhouse, a barbecue drinks , for children, excursions to the mountains organized skiing. Guests are foolish from a freebie and from the breadth of the Russian and non-Russian souls. We were satisfied. So that between ordinary people everything is normal ... good
      1. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 24 January 2016 19: 26
        +3
        Quote: Black
        Poles are now quite adequate.

        Quote: Black
        Guests are fools from freebies

        I lived in Poland for 5 years and was repeatedly convinced that the Poles (true and not immigrants from Russia) never treated Russians well! After all, write yourself that they were "crazy about freebies"! So for free, they seemed wonderful to you!
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 24 January 2016 16: 48
    14
    There, in the Katyn case, the European court issued a verdict that there is no evidence that the USSR did it, after which they shut up in Poland at one time
  • vobels
    vobels 24 January 2016 17: 03
    +3
    ".. let's be friends of Russia, let's restore our friendship with Russia, which was betrayed by its own politicians, who was dismembered against the will of the popular majority, and which we replaced with a false self-destructive alliance with the criminal USA .." I don’t understand, who is he trying to persuade? Own people? So he chose these politicians and voted for this alliance with criminals. So what the fuck .. we need such allies!
    1. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 24 January 2016 17: 06
      0
      God forbid from such friends, the best friendship option is to let them kill themselves, and we will send them a bucket of carnations and a wreath
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 24 January 2016 17: 04
    +6
    "And I ask - why ?!"

    Yes, because these are psheks. A slave nation that does not understand equal, fraternal relations, but understands only brute, dull, brutal force. In order for Poland to fall in love with your whole soul, you need to put it in cancer and not let it stretch for a second, while continuously beating, insulting the sea with hunger. Then, tender and reverent love will settle in the soul of a tender Polish beauty, a dirty whore with an ungrateful black heart. As an example, we can again recall the Nazis, who killed hundreds of thousands of Poles, sipped the rest of the population, and then put Poland in cancer with such high quality that even forty years after the war, in the eighties, the Poles remembered the Germans only as the highest, almost Divine power, idolizing and fearing the Germans to convulsions. It is now, lying under the USA, Poland got bolder and began to show its teeth to the Germans. But this is nothing more than flirting with old German love, a hint-request that the Germans knock them the teeth for themselves, and then in the German-Polish family love and consent will come again.
  • Belarus
    Belarus 24 January 2016 17: 05
    +5
    In short, there was no order to forgive the Russians from Fashington. Russia's apology for Katyn was perceived as Russia's weakness. For this weakness, many thanks to alcoholic E, who is still burping modern Russia.
    And to the question: what does the Poles need, the answer lies on the surface.Poles need regional leadership - that’s all.And Russia is hindering them in this and from here, as they say, all the difficulties of the Russian Federation with Poland will grow.
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  • Senior manager
    Senior manager 24 January 2016 17: 18
    +8
    As soon as we begin to count russians pennies, calculate our profit and look for where it tastes better, you can put an end to the Russian people. These will no longer be Russian people, another people. Soul for money is not for sale. And our actions both went and go from the heart and from the heart. And we should not act like Western people, do not lose ourselves.
  • Gorjelin
    Gorjelin 24 January 2016 17: 18
    +3


    oh how is everything in the Katyn case ambiguous.
  • cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 24 January 2016 17: 24
    +3
    Honestly, I have not decided how it relates to this confession - an appeal. Such phenomena regularly occur, at a time of great difficulties, among our Western Slav brothers. And after a time, when times become easier, and a gingerbread is stretched out across the ocean to them, we again become a horde of savages for them, who are enslaving slaves to free western progressive humanity.
    Therefore, as the unforgettable Stanislavsky said: “I don’t believe”. Not just the one who wrote these fair lines, but the entire Western Slavs in general. what
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 24 January 2016 17: 29
    +4
    I quote: “We - Czechs and Poles - forgave the Germans, but not the Russians. And I ask - why ?! laughing ". Author - What are you so naive? You hate Russians simply because you were ordered to hate us by your new masters, who fed you and now demand loyalty. There have been no examples in history. When peoples stopped hating Russians simply for reasons of logic and justice to whom the author appeals. Both the Czechs and the Poles stopped hating the Russians when the Russians came to you in tanks. But this will not happen, be calm. Therefore, hate it further, we Russians are neither hot nor cold from this.
  • ochakow703
    ochakow703 24 January 2016 17: 30
    +4
    "We forgave the Germans, but not the Russians. Why ?!"
    Eeee, guys, you are so ugly, until you roasted cock in za.dn.i.ts.u not fucking, everything will be so. Well, when this ritual action happens, then immediately the Russians will become brothers, and Russia will be the best country. It’s a shame, again you are lacking for you, the roofs of the Russian river will flow.
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    2. ty60
      ty60 24 January 2016 19: 43
      +1
      First let the Arabs fuck the whole geyropu, then we fuck the European Arabs, and then for the dessert of the surviving Poles.
      1. Pomeranian
        Pomeranian 24 January 2016 23: 39
        +1
        Quote: ty60
        . And then for the dessert of the surviving Poles.

        Remember the sensational book "Notre Dame Mosque" in its time? So there the last stronghold of "European Europe" remained, oddly enough, Poland .. These - will survive, a guilt complex, unlike the Germans, has not been instilled in them.
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  • victorrat
    victorrat 24 January 2016 17: 31
    +4
    I put it all the same plus. It's nice that, although he believes in nonsense about Katyn, he calls on his repugnable compatriots to repent. How many times have these so-called Slavs betrayed and killed Russians! Forgive?
    You can forgive. We always forgave the enemies. It is a pity they were put a little in coffins before this.
    The Russians are full of mercy to the scum who are ready to stick a knife into their backs. These people have always hated Russia for its vastness and soul. A wide and kind soul. These little people in crowded lands are full of envy and desire for revenge and invented guilt.
    Here they will forgive any conquerors, as they forgave the French and Germans, if only to annoy Russia.
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 24 January 2016 17: 55
      +3
      What is the plus? For the fact that the Smolensk town of Katyn was attributed to Poland? How about geography?
  • Stinger
    Stinger 24 January 2016 17: 35
    +4
    Why? Because the only way a petty, vicious and vengeful slave behaves.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 24 January 2016 17: 41
    +5
    Maybe not the topic.
    My grandfather's brother (deceased) fled from the concentration camp twice. Shepherds poisoned, half of the fingers on his hands and all scars, fled for the third time. and SMERSH did not torment him with interrogations.
    In there were MUZHIK! Abakan - Siberia His motherland.
    Not that the current tribe got it in the jaw because of a woman, and I declare immediately to write, to cry .. sad
  • ros44
    ros44 24 January 2016 17: 44
    +2
    Although the author made a mistake about Katyn, otherwise well done.
  • BIGLESHIY
    BIGLESHIY 24 January 2016 17: 46
    +2
    On the Polish territory in Katyn, the Russians committed a crime by shooting 15 thousand Polish prisoners of war (and possibly more).

    This is not a crime, this is retribution for 1920. for their war crimes against prisoners of war of the Red Army and forcible polishing of the inhabitants of Western Belarus and Ukraine. And this territory is OUR !!!
  • puzyr
    puzyr 24 January 2016 17: 46
    +3
    / We, the Czechs and Poles, have forgiven the Germans, but not the Russians. And I ask - why?! /

    I hope that now all the peoples of Russia will understand how to relate to you further.
  • Rom14
    Rom14 24 January 2016 17: 47
    +3
    All our "friends" use any clue to spoil Russia, such is it geyrova and America .., our politicians just need to work., Constantly and methodically remind the World about the atrocities of these ghouls. But unfortunately, who is obliged to plow for the Fatherland sits on the dollar ...
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 24 January 2016 17: 53
    +6
    When did Katyn become Polish? If the Czechs do not know geography or deliberately mislead people, then how can their betrayal be forgiven?
  • Cobra77
    Cobra77 24 January 2016 17: 54
    15
    For starters, Katyn is not about the NKVD, Katyn is about the SS. As if there was something that someone did not want, but the Poles were shot by the Nazis. The story was thrown by the Nazis during the Second World War. When the details of their death camps began to surface. As an attempt to denigrate the Union before the Allies. But there was no evidence either then or after the war. But with the advent of the reformers, in the best traditions of ruffling everything Soviet, they quickly built recognition for Katyn. True, there was no evidence anyway. But to whom did it bother when? After all, the union was evil by definition with them. There even the guarantor does not hesitate to carry a blizzard about the atomic bomb planted by Lenin under the Union. Apparently the Lenin Union in the 91st razderbanil, and not the character of the Yeltsin Center associates.
    1. Patriot2012
      Patriot2012 24 January 2016 19: 06
      +9
      everything is correct, in order to bend one more time, it was not clear what was confessed, now we need to collect a bunch of evidence and abandon it, so that our children and grandchildren clearly know that we did nothing in Katyn, and all this was invented in order to denigrate our Country.
      In general, all our actions to present evidence, objective, for example, on Boeing, drying, and in other situations that have occurred recently when we are trying to prove something to the West is clearly characterized by the following expression "throw pearls in front of pigs."