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Minsk against NATO: is it more important for Moscow, a business plan or an ally?

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Minsk against NATO: is it more important for Moscow, a business plan or an ally?



On the last day of 2015, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin signed a new strategy for the country's national security. In it, the North Atlantic Alliance is called the main potential adversary of Russia, and the key threat to military security is the approach of NATO’s military infrastructure to the Russian borders.

This was a kind of response to the decision of US Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter to place 250 in Bulgaria, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Romania, Germany tanks, self-propelled howitzers, infantry fighting vehicles and other equipment, as well as the fact that for two years now there has been a buildup of American military contingents in the Baltic states and an increase in the number of military equipment. At the same time, the US military-political leadership also calls on the allies to send their units to the Baltic countries, so that in each of them an international battalion is also formed.

Of course, a couple of battalions will not change the balance of power in the region, and they are more likely psychological support to the Baltic countries. However, apart from Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, Poland has recently been very interested in increasing hostility in relations between Russia and the West, which hopes to obtain an important status of a “front-line state” in the framework of a new confrontation. To this end, Warsaw even made the decision to deploy three newly formed brigades of the National Guard on the eastern border, which carries with it a direct threat to the security of both Russia and Belarus.

The expansion of NATO’s military infrastructure to the East cannot fail to provoke appropriate response measures and actions. Both Belarus and Russia pay attention to this: the Baltic States were even named by Moscow as the main practical threat from the expansion of NATO’s military infrastructure in Eastern Europe.

Thus, significant strengthening of border areas is carried out near the western borders of the Union State of Russia and Belarus. Under these conditions, it would be the height of naivety to pretend that no one notices anything.

To counter these threats, coordinated activities of Minsk and Moscow are needed. The new Russian National Security Strategy involves the deployment of high-tech multifunctional military complexes on the borders of the Russian Federation with NATO countries.

However, not only Russia borders with the countries of the Alliance, the Republic of Belarus has an even greater length of borders in the western direction. And if the Russian Federation, in order to adequately respond to new threats in 2016, plans to create three divisions on its western borders, then the official Minsk does not have any forces for this.

One of the solutions could be the modernization of existing models of equipment, as well as the adoption of a new, modern weapons. Yes, to the best of their abilities, Belarus seeks to increase the combat capabilities of its Armed Forces - the specialists of the domestic military-industrial complex created new types of weapons, such as the MLRS “Polonez”, new missiles, radar stations, communications, intelligence and much more. However, in order to re-equip all units, again, it takes time and a significant amount of money. At the same time, this problem could be solved with the help of a strategic ally - the Russian Federation.

Moreover, in the near future, the C-300 air defense missile system, which has been purchased in Russia, will finally come into service with the anti-aircraft missile units of the Air Force and Air Defense Forces of Belarus. And although they will strengthen the air defense of the country, these complexes are no longer new weapons - the last C-300 for the Russian army was produced approximately in 1994 year. At the same time, probably, this batch of the air defense missile system can be considered a kind of success, because Moscow has long ignored the requests of its main ally for the supply of modern technology.

However, it should be noted that, as Russian partners assured earlier, the first foreign recipient of the newest air defense system C-400 "Triumph" was planned to be Belarus. This was obvious and explainable - the Unified Regional Air Defense System of the two countries covers a very important Western strategic direction for Russia.

However, China became the first recipient of C-400. Moreover, Belarus will not become the second buyer - the 10 divisions of the newest complex will go to India.

It turned out that in this case, for the Kremlin, money was more important than strategic partnership and assistance to the only ally covering the western direction! And this is an example concerning only air defense systems, and there are quite a lot of such spheres of virtual cooperation of an ally.
It sounds trite, but in the Russian business plan, rendering assistance to Belarus does not appear. Thus, Minsk turns out to be alone against a whole bloc of aggressively-minded countries and must rely only on its own forces.

It seems that the time has come to think about whether there is any sense from such a strategic partnership and what dividends Belarus receives from such cooperation militarily.
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  1. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS 23 January 2016 13: 35
    +4
    They do not always understand that money is not the main thing.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 23 January 2016 13: 40
      28
      Stop dad spread rot! This is no longer funny ... And I'm worried! Maidan is being prepared in Minsk ..? It won’t work ... Belarusians remember their story!

      And they do not want to repeat it, they will again have to take the blow first!
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 23 January 2016 13: 48
        61
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Stop dad spread rot! This is no longer funny ... And I'm worried! Maidan is being prepared in Minsk ..? Will not work

        So it is so, Belarus is oh so important to us, I think the most important of all, but only "dad" in his "Strategy of the national security of the country." said that between a rock and a hard place, "clarified by Russia and NATO" rushes about ... He is also trying to sit on two chairs ... request
        1. shtanko.49
          shtanko.49 23 January 2016 15: 19
          19
          It is dangerous to place the latest weapons on two chairs.
          1. Saratoga833
            Saratoga833 23 January 2016 16: 33
            53
            If Lukashenka had not been so two-faced, "both ours and yours," he would have received modern weapons long ago! And then, in words, Russia is good, but in fact, why does it not recognize Crimea as Russian, why does it not recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia, why is it trying to speculate with Russia on sanctioned products exported from Poland and Turkey, for which it officially allowed the broadcast of Ukrainian television to Belarus? Why did he behave like an unreasonable child when trying to open our airbase in Baranovichi? There are a lot of such questions. Therefore, he should not be surprised that our modern weapons are not on the territory of Belarus.
            1. Glory_box
              Glory_box 23 January 2016 17: 56
              -11 qualifying.
              And why is the gas going to the "former" allied now "Independent"? Why the weapons from the Crimea were transferred to them? why people still bring down the same Turkey. Why is money being invested in government papers of a foreign country? Why are they trying to improve relations with Georgia. ???????????? Enough can already repeat other people's words? Think with your brains, already sick of your phrases - the east is a delicate matter - the Jews are to blame for everything - there are only two allies - a suitcase without a handle - the chest just opened - But under Stalin - Medvedev is to blame for everything - the fascists - everyone around lives at the expense of Russia - traitors - according to the laws of wartime - daesh - die already Europe - sit on two chairs - Well, stupid - and so you can go for a long time. If you don't have your thoughts, then there will always be someone who will tell you what to think and talk about. then all amicably the same. And someone else says that Ukrainians have been brainwashed all over the place. They themselves are repeating other people's words like a herd ... now you can minus, because why think, when they have already thought of everything for you and said (I am writing from the phone, please forgive the spelling and other)
              1. Homo
                Homo 23 January 2016 19: 43
                +3
                Uhhh! Shaking the air with empty words!
              2. Sinecote
                Sinecote 23 January 2016 23: 09
                +5
                Of course, no one canceled their own thoughts, but if people repeat themselves, it means that they are united in their views, rather than they do not want to think.
                You yourself did not say anything sensible. You only expressed your fu towards all "lovers of thinking".



                I do not like these sailors! I do not like this expedition! I don't like anything at all, sir!
              3. sergo42
                sergo42 24 January 2016 20: 38
                +1
                What did you want to say? Complete nonsense.
                1. Talgat
                  Talgat 25 January 2016 11: 43
                  0
                  Yes, not always and not everyone likes Old Man’s statements, but I suggest that you still look at the main thing

                  Belarus and Kazakhstan, the main and main components of not only the CSTO, it is not only the common air defense and military bases, etc. - but also the basis of the Eurasian Union and the integration process is steadily developing - from the CU to the Eurasian Union and will continue. When countries integrate economics legislation markets are much more than just allies

                  They say Iran is an ally - but Russia will never reunite with Iran either economically or politically - that is, an ally is good - yes - but the people and mentality are alien. It’s not us and not Belarus - that’s why you can’t even compare

                  If you want to scold, of course, scold Old Man. But still, Belarus will always be with Russia - both with and after it
              4. user
                user 25 January 2016 15: 08
                0
                Well stupid - and so it’s possible for a long time. If you don’t have your thoughts, then there will always be someone who will tell you what to think and talk about


                One word incurred is verbal diarrhea.
            2. regsSSSR
              regsSSSR 23 January 2016 18: 04
              14
              Saratoga833
              Why officially authorized the broadcast of Ukrainian television in Belarus?


              Yes, as much as you can! that you, as mantras, repeat the same thing every time! I already answered these questions to you! no, you write them again and again!
              in my house is the official internet! Belarus TV (TV room) here many have it! I specifically flipped through everything! 90 channels (although I don’t fundamentally look at the box) AND I HAVE NOT FOUND NOT ONE UKRAINIAN!
              I don’t know, can anyone have a satellite or cable private one and it shows but the official NO !!!
              Here's an answer specifically to you WHY! check out
              http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/3471938-pochemu-belorusam-ne-pokazyvau

              it-ukraynskoe-tv
              (moreover, from the press of the so-called grief of the opposition)
              so once again I’ll write tea the hand will not fall off! no need to once seriously take everything that he sculpts on TV (many have already adapted to this) this is politics and for often all that he said and sometimes did completely opposite things! Well, he likes to play the local king, he has such a character! for the order in the country! and thank God! and the country will never be brought to a situation like in Ukraine! neither NATO nor Maidan will be here! while he is in power!
              1. BaLaLaykin
                BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 18: 13
                +9
                Minstrel (1) US Today, 17:36 ↑
                Quote: Lalaika
                I was stubbornly proved yesterday that Belarus is a paradise compared to Russia
                Who was that smart? Give him here - let him move to our Belarusian "paradise". Here we have such a "paradise" that we sing straight out of happiness. no
                And after all, which is characteristic, not only do the Belarusian authorities try to rip off the people like that sticky, they also make them stand straight and sweet smile while they rummage around in our pockets.

                PS Anticipating questions - I live in the Brest region., And I have the Amer flag from the fact that I go through the Opera Turbo.


                Would you like to tell the mosquito about a beautiful life?
                1. Aureol
                  Aureol 23 January 2016 21: 36
                  +3
                  I have two driver guys returned from a business trip to Russia yesterday.
                  The general impression (communicated with simple laborers, workers): the prices do not differ much (at 500-700 rubles / kg and we have sausage made from meat), although the roads are paid, they are comparable to ours (maybe it’s unlucky - they got into snowfall), they live more modestly , the mood is dull ... In general, they say, we are better.
                  To be honest, I didn't expect it. To me, too, Belarus seemed like a splinter of the USSR, in which life, if not "fatter", but lighter, perhaps.
                2. regsSSSR
                  regsSSSR 23 January 2016 21: 37
                  +7
                  BaLaLaykin
                  I was stubbornly proved yesterday that Belarus is a paradise compared to Russia

                  it yes you are clearly misinformed yes
                  Potam as paradise is exclusively in paradise smile (where, by the way, are all residents of a certain state of igil trying to get winked

                  but here it’s just life with all its advantages and disadvantages))
                  if you compare the standard of living exclusively in the dough! salaries! prices! pseudo-democracy and the ever-dissatisfied liberals!) then yes, no doubt, Russia can give odds to RB and who wins whom and where more it still believe sooo big question! if you are sure that in russia everything is honest and fair, then you are naive in the square yes : laughing and if just as the quality of life itself in its calm moderate cultural perception! product quality! cities! village!) (let's say it was in the USSR) then believe here Russia is still catching up and catching up RB! take a simple example!

                  There is such a city bordering the Russian Federation on the periphery of Rossony (the poorest region is considered)) a population of no more than 5 thousand citizens! Yes, with work and salaries I’m not arguing stiffly here! BUT the city is clean! neat and tidy! fully landscaped! there is a large stadium with a pool rink and a sauna (inexpensive by the way)! There is a fairly large working hospital with intensive care machines! there is a great inexpensive hotel! a great new dk club is working! children's circles! all meat and dairy farms are working and modernizing! - and all this for a population of five thousand people think belay yes ! I don’t even mention roads! - don't be too lazy to come see everything with your own eyes! BUT be sure to choose a route through the border Russian city of Nevel! And here you will completely feel the difference!) With 16 thousand people! the city is dirty and untidy honestly to the point of horror! roads tightly killed! what is considered a stadium with a stretch can be called a dilapidated hockey box! it’s even scary to enter the gray hospital! on the road to rb abandoned fields flicker! far rotten farms THIS SILENT HORROR! belay the last time the truth of year 2 more or less there they started building and doing apparently the ruble collapse still bit some local aligarch in the ass laughing BUT to the level even Rosson is still sooooo well! (you can’t not believe it, but all this is an absolute truth!) of which you can see for yourself just by traveling in the former USSR and not in western resorts laughing
                  1. BaLaLaykin
                    BaLaLaykin 24 January 2016 01: 44
                    +1
                    so as not to live at the expense of Russia and its own fault
                    1. PHANTOM-AS
                      PHANTOM-AS 24 January 2016 02: 19
                      +1
                      Quote: Lalaika
                      so as not to live at the expense of Russia and its own fault

                      And how do you feel about the Kazakhs, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, that is, their leaders?
                      1. BaLaLaykin
                        BaLaLaykin 24 January 2016 11: 03
                        0
                        Nazarbayev is a good fellow, conducts his own policy, but at his own expense, China comes first from partners and Russia, Aliyev also pursues his own policy at his own expense, from partners Turkey and Israel. Karimov is under the Americans. These are independent politicians. All the others you ask one way or another depend on Russia
                    2. regsSSSR
                      regsSSSR 24 January 2016 03: 51
                      +6
                      BaLaLaykin
                      so as not to live at the expense of Russia and its own fault


                      Do not want to hear the truth - do not ask questions!

                      First of all, Russia helping Belarus helps itself! potamuchto this is one people! and the last (reliable!) bridgehead of Russia in the other direction and with aggression, as always, NATO will take the first blow! so I would be silent with my primitive conclusions!

                      I am a citizen of the Russian Federation for your information! born in the suburbs!
                      and criminal papers of the Gorbachev-Yeltsin gang! I didn’t see or sign the collapse of the Motherland! therefore for me the whole USSR is still one indivisible country! clear!
                      but that doesn’t mean that I should turn a blind eye to the truth!
                      I traveled a lot traveled around the country!
                      and if it is better in Belarus, then I write what is better here! whether you like it or not but it is! and if your whole life is calculated in monetary terms, these are your problems! but know there are still other values ​​that are not measured by any dough! and by the way, if the next time you are going to reproach Belarusians with Gazprom billions, think carefully about where they take them from? certainly not in factories in sweat making money! and use the bowels that were developed back in the USSR! and the bowels of the earth how they hang with us folk! right? and the country is one! one people! right too? so it comes out and helps Russia not personally to Lukashenko but to his people!
                      and all closed the topic!
                      I will not answer anymore! Potam that with your questions you went already in the second round!
                    3. Eragon
                      Eragon 24 January 2016 10: 30
                      +3
                      Quote: Lalaika
                      so as not to live at the expense of Russia and its own fault

                      Since Belarus lives solely at the expense of Russia, can you tell me where Belarus spent 25 billion dollars in 200 years and at the same time suffered another 50 billion loss? This is not agriculture, not industry, not the sun, not construction, but they were not even plundered. If we take the average GDP for 25 years, then it turns out at least 5-6 GDP.
                      In order not to prolong the controversy, I tell you - the name of this "black hole" - the consequences of the Chernobyl accident, dear greetings from the USSR with which we were left alone. And now, dear Russians, do some math and figure out what it means in the size of Russia 5 GDP, a quarter of the territory is contaminated with radiation, a sixth is unsuitable for living and agricultural use. This is such a paradise.
                      PS Our roads are really good, even asphalt lies in every village. Do you know why? So that radioactive dust on the primers is not to raise everything here in the asphalt and rolled up. Well, how do you like paradise life?
                3. regsSSSR
                  regsSSSR 24 January 2016 02: 53
                  +2
                  BaLaLaykin
                  Here we have such a "paradise" that we sing straight out of happiness. no
                  Would you like to tell the mosquito about a beautiful life?


                  how many people have so many opinions! but if you 99 out of 100 people write that you can live normally or even well! and one will write the exact opposite! who do you believe?
                  always and everywhere there will be its fifth colony! which even if in truth will live in a swarm! all the same, everyone will be dissatisfied! and even heaven! this is an axiom! there is not even any evidence required! it's just that there are such types of people! they will always be unhappy with everyone (usually loafers), you look like these! apparently a healthy man with arms and legs (he could have rolled mountains with his hands) and how he starts whining and it’s not so and it’s not like that, but it’s guilty of this, of course, as always, the country and especially the presidents (well, right and who else) wassat but they are usually unable to think! that the problem may not be in the country at all, but in you in yourself! wink yes all the paths are open why whine? go there and do what you think is better; what’s the problem ?? I never understood such whiners!

                  Who was that smart? Give him here - let him move to our Belarusian "paradise".


                  but I imagine and quite relocated from Moscow (supposedly from paradise, in your opinion)))! and confess very pleased! I loved this city during the Soviet era, but what I have now been turned into is completely not to my liking! Yes, it’s good to work in Moscow, but I’ve understood it better for a long time in Belarus! and not a bit about this I do not regret.


                  PS Anticipating questions - I live in the Brest region., And I have the Amer flag from the fact that I go through the Opera Turbo.


                  laughing you yourself answered your own question)) tell me, are you really so naive ?? I thought that here on this site long ago such people moved!
                  ps
                  Do you know why I have a Belarusian flag on av winked ?! you’ll never guess))! Potam, that I live here and do not go into net through the ass laughing
                  read the site rule carefully! and find out where they live (daughters of officers) laughing hope a familiar term?
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 24 January 2016 03: 18
                    0
                    Quote: regressSSSR
                    read the site rule carefully! and find out where they live (daughters of officers). hope a familiar term?

                    "Site rule" - which rule? Term - more than sign wink but - right now I'll tell you a terrible secret:

                    - "checkbox on ave" is taken from the IP-address that the site registers in your profile.
                    - sometimes the site .. um .. is slightly mistaken, as in the picture below, for example.
                    - as a result, I had the Amertsky flag all day, then it was Geyropeisky, and now it’s mattress again .. although whoer and my eyes clearly tell me that I am at home, in the nearest Zamkadye ..

                    Something like that. Picture:
                    1. regsSSSR
                      regsSSSR 24 January 2016 04: 09
                      0
                      Cat man null
                      "Site rule" - which rule? The term is more than wink, but I'll tell you a terrible secret right now:


                      yes it can be! I do not pretend to the obscene truth hi

                      But! if you compare what it says is soup from Brest and especially with this catchphrase at the end
                      winked
                      PS Anticipating questions - I live in the Brest region., And I have the Amer flag from the fact that I go through the Opera Turbo.


                      in which just don’t go to the grandmother wink the classical scheme (daughters of officers) is clearly emerging laughing

                      Is he the one who claims to be winked
              2. Plastun
                Plastun 23 January 2016 22: 21
                +1
                Unfortunately, it is not eternal ... Yes, and ours in years, and then what?
              3. user
                user 25 January 2016 15: 10
                0
                Yes, as much as you can!


                Well, if there are no channels, then why are you so excited.
            3. m262
              m262 23 January 2016 23: 15
              +4
              I live in Minsk, but for some reason I have not seen Ukrainian television yet, the air base in Baranovichi is a purely psychological weapon, since there are 4 fighters in 200 km. from the border is nothing more than a target, but about Ossetia and Abkhazia he wrote more than once, he broke his tongue!
            4. MIK.VIK.
              MIK.VIK. 24 January 2016 14: 00
              -1
              He’s just a cunning bulbash. "And ours and yours will sing and dance." But the question is: when they come for him, and with such a policy of his, sooner or later they will come, where will he run, eh? To Europe or Ukraine? Oh, I doubt it.
              So that forehead brush anyway smear. Unless of course they will not accept in Smolensk. Watching sick as he changes his shoes all the time. One word is eel.
          2. Asadullah
            Asadullah 23 January 2016 22: 16
            +5
            It is dangerous to place the latest weapons on two chairs.


            Yes, no one does. According to Lukashenko’s strategy, Russian weapons are a way to milk money from Russia. Belarus itself is already protected by allied treaties, and any imaginary aggressor is notified a priori that they will have to fight with the Russian Federation. The continuation of the question is that for any qualitative development of joint defensive actions, Lukashenko bargains exclusively highlighting the interest of Russia, separating it from the interest of Belarus. For example, the airfield in Bobruisk. It’s like the cunning head of a collective farm from a district center on a call, - Shura, a fertilizer truck has come to you! - Yes, shaw !? Why the hell to me is your fertilizer! Do you want the shobes, the current with two tractors in addition!
          3. Amatar
            Amatar 25 January 2016 10: 28
            0
            Russia doesn’t want to place-place NATO. Nature does not tolerate emptiness.
          4. user
            user 25 January 2016 15: 05
            0
            It seems that the time has come to think about whether there is any sense from such a strategic partnership and what dividends Belarus receives from such cooperation militarily.


            It's definitely time to pick one chair.
        2. cniza
          cniza 23 January 2016 15: 20
          +9
          Nothing when baked everything will fall into place while the local auction. Belarusians and I have always been together and will be.
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        4. Aureol
          Aureol 23 January 2016 21: 19
          +3
          Quote: NIKNN
          So it is so, Belarus is oh so important to us, I think the most important of all, but only "dad" in his "Strategy of the national security of the country." said that between a rock and a hard place, "clarified by Russia and NATO" rushes about ... He is also trying to sit on two chairs ... request

          It is true: under Yanukovych, Ukraine tried "both yours and ours," Turkey went there too - we are seeing the result.
          However late it would be to rush about.
      2. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 23 January 2016 13: 50
        47
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Stop dad spread rot!

        He spread rot himself. It sways like a certain flower in the hole - and ours. and yours. One already hesitated, now lives in Rostov.
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 23 January 2016 14: 00
          11
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Stop dad spread rot!

          He spread rot himself. It sways like a certain flower in the hole - and ours. and yours. One already hesitated, now lives in Rostov.

          Lukashenko, the former chairman of the collective farm ... (maneuvers, but he won’t betray Russia for sure!) Understand and forgive! laughing
          1. Xergey
            Xergey 23 January 2016 14: 13
            15
            He may not betray, but with incomprehensible actions and statements, he himself puts people in confusion, now we are arguing that he will betray or not, and the people in Belarus are also in doubt and understand what could happen like with Ukrainians. So you can’t foretell everything that could happen. Nobody even suspected about hohland.
            1. exalibor
              exalibor 23 January 2016 15: 42
              +9
              you know guys ... if it weren’t for hohland, the rebellion of the Republic of Belarus would have happened last year ... it slowed down all the discontent for a while, but now the situation is such that it could blaze not because Belarus is against Russia, but because it’s become really darn life for people ... yes there is a high probability that it will burn, only the task of Russia is not to let the Americans and Europe take advantage of it, but to put a completely adequate person in this place ...
              1. jovanni
                jovanni 23 January 2016 15: 50
                +8
                Quote: exalibor
                you know guys ... and put in this place is quite an adequate person ...


                Yeah! And where do they get adequate people now? The government and the duma themselves have a critical deficit ...
              2. woron333444
                woron333444 23 January 2016 19: 22
                +4
                It is not necessary to plant a person, but to gather in one country. And people quickly find a replacement
            2. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 23 January 2016 16: 24
              28
              I do not distinguish between Russian and Belarusian peoples. They simply divided people as serfs under the treacherous collapse of the USSR. The people are one.
              But I don’t have warm feelings for Lukashenko personally for a long time. If it is profitable for him, then he will substitute anyone. And at the same time he will sing how difficult it is for him to maintain balance.
              In general, what kind of balance are we talking about? It's time to decide who you are with. Either with Russia or with the USA. There is no third option, as well as self-sufficiency.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 23 January 2016 16: 33
                +2
                There is no third option, as well as self-sufficiency.
                Why not, life in a madhouse.
                And the actions of the father, so far, on the third path and hint.
              2. Evgeniy667b
                Evgeniy667b 23 January 2016 17: 56
                -5
                The Russian leadership also needs to decide who it is with. Either with the people of Russia, or pursues the clan interests of our wild oligarchy. I don’t even want to repeat about the arms trade - complete madness, for the sake of the coveted money, from which Russia is neither hot nor cold. It’s hysterical that oil is falling in price because the super-incomes of a narrow circle of people have declined, but what when it was in price didn’t revive the economy, didn’t invest in the army and navy? not that they put new weapons, they are ready to pick up parts and transfer them to grandmas. It is exactly the same with respect to Belarus. Under China, they have caved in, only so soon half of Siberia will be sold quietly. Money after all!
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 23 January 2016 18: 02
                  +1
                  Oligorhat, should gradually settle down. The elite will share everything that they can. Siberia, against. We are Russia.
          2. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 23 January 2016 14: 22
            +8
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Understand and forgive!

            Yeah. And immortalize. bully
            1. regsSSSR
              regsSSSR 23 January 2016 22: 16
              +2
              I like it better laughing
          3. 79807420129
            79807420129 23 January 2016 14: 35
            18
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Lukashenko, the former chairman of the collective farm ... (maneuvers, but he won’t betray Russia for sure!) Understand and forgive!

            Well, yes, Vitalik. If only it would not work out as in the saying: -Lavered, maneuvered, but did not catch.
            1. BaLaLaykin
              BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 14: 36
              -1
              Or vice versa-DILINGED
          4. Mitek
            Mitek 23 January 2016 14: 57
            14
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Stop dad spread rot!

            He spread rot himself. It sways like a certain flower in the hole - and ours. and yours. One already hesitated, now lives in Rostov.

            Lukashenko, the former chairman of the collective farm ... (maneuvers, but he won’t betray Russia for sure!) Understand and forgive! laughing

            For Lukash, the main power. And betray and sell as cute.
          5. Saratoga833
            Saratoga833 23 January 2016 16: 36
            +8
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Understand and forgive!

            You can understand and forgive the chairman of the collective farm, but not the leader of a large state. Here his farm worldview may not play the most enviable role!
          6. Lelek
            Lelek 23 January 2016 19: 04
            +4
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Lukashenko, former chairman of the collective farm ... (maneuvers, but he won’t betray Russia for sure!)


            But he didn’t support him even once, when it was necessary (a curler behind a high stone fence, watching through the hole what was being done at the neighbors). yes
        2. dr. sem
          dr. sem 23 January 2016 14: 00
          -21 qualifying.
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Stop dad spread rot!

          He spread rot himself. It sways like a certain flower in the hole - and ours. and yours. One already hesitated, now lives in Rostov.

          And independence is dear to him. The old man does not want to put his homeland under the Moscow thieves' oligarchy, that's all.
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 23 January 2016 14: 05
            17
            Quote: dr. sem
            And independence is dear to him.

            Some have already replaced their independence for complete submission to Uncle Biden. He doesn’t want to put under Russia - he will put under the States. This is the fate of the Limitrophs: either-or.
            1. Tjeck
              Tjeck 23 January 2016 14: 56
              -5
              Those if I remember correctly the lace panties in the EU wanted, and Belarus, as it became independent after the collapse, still lives on its own. At least before deciding to smear the dirt of our president, you decide what exactly you want from us. For example, I’ve seen Putin’s behavior lately, but I don’t go into your garden?
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 23 January 2016 15: 11
                13
                Belarus became independent after the collapse and lives on its own
                There are no countries with a population of 10 million that are absolutely independent. And whether you like Putin or not, Putin does not care. He is the President of a country that is one of the centers of crystallization of the "multipolar world".
                You can say anything about Russia, but Russia is Russia. And whoever, what would not want, and to himself would not think, "the train for someone, has already left."
                1. Tjeck
                  Tjeck 23 January 2016 16: 09
                  -2
                  And what is independence for you, if not a secret? As for multipolarity, this is only a goal, not a reality. The world today, unfortunately, is unipolar, and we know perfectly well where that center is. Of course, you can mean a lot of things by multipolarity, but take anything, for example: Regions of influence, trade, military bases, culture, world currency in the end, etc. I would be glad if the Russian Federation was, as you said, `` crystallization of the polar center, '' but so far even the Cossacks are singing hip-hop ..

                  Although now Russia is just passing a kind of test, if the crisis does not drag it to the bottom and does not affect the political course, then we can talk about multipolarity.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 23 January 2016 16: 29
                    +4
                    Independence is when you are big, strong and rich. Banality, yes, but the way it is. Small states have to take one side or another, fate. Russia is not only 140 million inhabitants, but also a prospect. That is, territory, resources, the presence of nuclear weapons. The very existence of the Russian Federation is already a multipolar world, or at least NOT the tyranny of Western civilization. The presence of Russia, makes it possible, the existence of a relatively independent Islamic, Buddhist world. And not because we are strong, unfortunately, but because resources are spent on us, the attention of the so-called civilized world.
                    1. sa-ag
                      sa-ag 23 January 2016 17: 07
                      -6
                      Quote: avva2012
                      but also the prospect

                      Please tell us about this in more detail, I am constantly tormented by one question - this is about the "right course", "the right path" and now about the perspective, where does this perspective lead and who?
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 23 January 2016 17: 18
                        +5
                        I can't tell you in more detail, the same as you, probably. "The right way", I do not know, I did not write anything about it in the comments.
                        For me, personally, a return to traditional religions and values ​​will be right. I think there’s no need to suffer, you need to do what you should. And, that will be right. Perspective will appear.
                  2. woron333444
                    woron333444 23 January 2016 19: 29
                    +6
                    Are you waiting for the Russia test to pass or not. That’s why they came to Russia because it became independent and its own independent policy appeared. Did Kazakhstan or Belarus support Russia at a difficult moment? Waiting for the end of the matter? To that and join.
                  3. Homo
                    Homo 23 January 2016 19: 49
                    +1
                    Quote: Tjeck
                    The world today is unfortunately unipolar, and we know perfectly well where that center is.

                    Either the US citizens are spitting bile towards Russia on poop. Probably from the realization of their greatness and the fact that they are the "navel of the Earth".
              2. 72jora72
                72jora72 23 January 2016 15: 17
                16
                Those if I remember correctly the lace panties in the EU wanted, and Belarus, as it became independent after the collapse, still lives on its own. At least before deciding to smear the dirt of our president, you decide what exactly you want from us. For example, I’ve seen Putin’s behavior lately, but I don’t go into your garden?
                But nothing that Belarus lives for us? And your dad runs to Moscow for loans. The average amount of subsidies to the Belarusian economy by Russia per year is approximately $ 4,3 billion. And the profits that come from the sale of oil and oil products (and oil is bought duty-free from the same Russia.)
                1. Tjeck
                  Tjeck 23 January 2016 19: 18
                  -8
                  That is why we will somehow live without you. And as for such `` breadwinners '', how do you decrease, then we'll talk ..
                2. Bibliographer
                  Bibliographer 24 January 2016 00: 51
                  +2
                  Here are just the customs duties Russia removes non-acid from Belarus !!! Inside, by the way, the Customs Union! All goods and services - without customs duties - and this is 100% of what Belarus is trading with Russia, BUT !!! In addition to energy !!! And here the DUTY is removed for them according to a half-time program !!! And this is 60% of what Russia trades with Belarus! Nicely Soyuznichki called more !!!
                  1. BaLaLaykin
                    BaLaLaykin 24 January 2016 01: 00
                    0
                    oh, and transit in Belarus in general for free for Russia
                  2. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 24 January 2016 01: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: Bibliographer
                    Here are just customs duties Russia removes non-acid from Belarus !!! Inside, by the way, the Customs Union! All goods and services - without customs duties - and this is 100% of what Belarus and Russia trade in, BUT !!! In addition to energy !!! And here the DUTY is removed for them according to a half-time program !!!

                    I vaguely recall that once this duty was not .. and in Belarus suddenly showed up .. oil !! In quantities quite suitable to drive her to Europe, for example (remember Belarusian lobsters? So it was the same, only not to the Russian Federation from Europe, but to Europe from the Russian Federation).

                    But after that (if sclerosis doesn’t change me, essno), there are duties ..
          2. exalibor
            exalibor 23 January 2016 15: 44
            11
            yeah ... he’s an oligarchy to himself ... why else should someone let him go to his feeder, only there is nothing left in the feeder, but he doesn’t want to see this point blank, squeezing the last juice out of people ...
          3. dauria
            dauria 23 January 2016 18: 51
            0
            The dad does not want to put his homeland under the Moscow thieves' oligarchy, that's all.


            In principle, it is almost true, only it will be more accurate: "The Minsk thieves 'oligarchy, represented by the dad, does not want to go under the Moscow thieves' oligarchy, represented by Putin." Then everything falls into place. Including the dregs with the "union state"

            smile By the way, I have already heard this from the people of Kiev "Why do we need your Moscow thieves, we have our own no worse"
        3. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 23 January 2016 14: 12
          20
          However, China became the first recipient of C-400. Moreover, Belarus will not become the second buyer - the 10 divisions of the newest complex will go to India.

          It seems to me that the S-400 is being sold to China and India because, for the Belarusian direction, we, at the moment, are calm. Although father’s father and with kooky, but more or less fulfills its allied role. And China and India are our BRICS allies and help to strengthen their defense capabilities is our prerogative. And besides, they pay us for this currency. But Lukashenko strives to get everything for free, explaining this by the fact that he is covering our western borders. In particular, it may be so, but for the most part it looks like ordinary blackmail. His steps are too timid towards our union.
          1. Wheel
            Wheel 23 January 2016 14: 43
            +4
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            And China and India are our BRICS allies and help to strengthen their defense capabilities is our prerogative. And besides, they pay us for this currency.

            What is the BRICS alliance? Is this a military bloc?
            BRICS does not oblige anyone to anything if there is nothing more than that, a talking room with good wishes.
            But about the cut greens - to the point, it outweighs everything in the minds of the current "elite", even common sense.
          2. SAM 5
            SAM 5 23 January 2016 14: 51
            +4
            Do you propose to wrap him arms prices?
            .A Lukashenko strives to get everything for free, explaining this by the fact that he covers our western borders

            Remember at least the history of the Second World War. IMHO bargaining is inappropriate here. Everything will cost much more in case of a real conflict, and maybe war.
            1. Saratoga833
              Saratoga833 23 January 2016 16: 43
              +4
              Quote: SAM 5
              Do you propose to wrap him arms prices?

              Why not? How to take energy at the lowest price from us is good, but how to buy weapons is bad?
          3. Vita vko
            Vita vko 23 January 2016 14: 53
            28
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            Although father and with kooky, but more or less fulfills its allied role

            Why do you think the leaders of Belarus and Kazakhstan have such high ratings among the population? Precisely because officially they everywhere talk about peace and friendship with Russia. But the real facts of "sawing the legs in the CSTO", political blackmail and credit extortion suggest that it is much more important for Russia to be friends with countries that really defend their national interests, such as China and India. It is time to officially recognize that countries pursuing a multi-vector policy are causing enormous damage to their own people, because act in the interests of anyone but their own country! In addition, it is not known when and what vector can play a decisive role, so the probability of a "stab in the back" for Russia is very high. It is enough to simply analyze the voting in the UN of the CSTO countries on key security issues and honestly ask ourselves why Russia needs such "friends".
            1. BaLaLaykin
              BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 14: 56
              11
              Betrayed once, betrayed twice
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 23 January 2016 15: 10
                +8
                Quote: Lalaika
                Betrayed once, betrayed twice

                Dear Balalaikin! Be consistent! You yesterday strongly argued to me that in Ukraine people for good neighborly relations with Russia directly hate the current Kiev junta. Moreover, this was said in response to my statement about the betrayal of Ukrainians. And what reason do you have to accuse Lukashenko of betrayal? His actions have not yet confirmed this, in contrast to the outright treachery, so much loved by you, Ukrainians.
                1. BaLaLaykin
                  BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 15: 15
                  +7
                  and where am I talking about the people of Belarus and Belarusians? I'm talking about Lukashenko and yesterday I talked about the same thing. Trade relations between the Ukrainian junta and the leadership of Belarus do not bother you or it is not a betrayal, or you do not know who sold kerosene to them, so the junta could bomb LDNR?
                  1. Ami du peuple
                    Ami du peuple 23 January 2016 16: 26
                    -1
                    Quote: Lalaika
                    or you don’t know who sold kerosene to them, so that the junta could bomb LDNR?

                    And is it okay that Russia until the summer of 2014, when the ATO was already in full swing, transferred APU military equipment from the Crimea? Doesn’t it bother you?
                    Quote: Lalaika
                    Do you hate Ukrainian people

                    Yes, yes, you sew me another 282nd article. laughing
                    1. BaLaLaykin
                      BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 16: 29
                      +2
                      They handed over the equipment in a malfunctioning state, so as not to engage in recycling
                      laughing
                      I’m not a prosecutor or moderator laughing
                      1. Ami du peuple
                        Ami du peuple 23 January 2016 16: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Lalaika
                        They handed over the equipment in a malfunctioning state, so as not to engage in recycling

                        You are a funny man. One word - "Balalaikin"
                      2. BaLaLaykin
                        BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 16: 44
                        +6
                        You are also a funny person, asked what Lukashenko was guilty of and after all the above arguments turned to the person. Or can you give an example that the received APU equipment from the Crimea fought in the Donbass?
              2. BaLaLaykin
                BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 15: 23
                13
                and this is probably photoshop
                1. Ami du peuple
                  Ami du peuple 23 January 2016 15: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: Lalaika
                  and this is probably photoshop

                  And this is probably also
                  1. BaLaLaykin
                    BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 15: 39
                    +2
                    You probably have where Putin and ParAschenko hug in the same way? Do you hate the Ukrainian people (although it’s not the people’s business), I have provided you with a photo and explanations of the reasons for the betrayal, so be consistent
                    1. regsSSSR
                      regsSSSR 23 January 2016 22: 06
                      +2
                      BaLaLaykin
                      and this is probably photoshop


                      oh! here's another photoshop!
                      Well, you are right as a small child!
                      it's not good and not bad
                      THIS is just politics !! - this is normal! so accepted!
                    2. BaLaLaykin
                      BaLaLaykin 24 January 2016 00: 19
                      0
                      look at the face of the bucket, it’s not the pants of happiness of your president and bucket. God save us from such friends, and we will deal with the enemies ourselves (Alesander Suvorov) By the way, did you answer the mosquito from Belarus?
                  2. regsSSSR
                    regsSSSR 23 January 2016 22: 07
                    +1
                    No comments!
                  3. BaLaLaykin
                    BaLaLaykin 24 January 2016 00: 31
                    0
                    You didn’t answer the mosquito from Belarus
          4. 72jora72
            72jora72 24 January 2016 07: 20
            0
            His actions have not yet confirmed this, in contrast to the outright treachery, so much loved by you, Ukrainians.
            Not yet evening....
      3. exalibor
        exalibor 23 January 2016 15: 50
        +1
        Quote: Vita VKO
        why should Russia have such "friends".

        Do you think China is a true friend to Russia? rather, a temporary fellow traveler no more, when the US threat to China disappears, it is not known what else this friendship will look after, the USA is overseas and Russia is nearby ... for which China holds an army of 6 million people and a group of tanks of about 10000 pieces ... not against the USA ... so here you have to think hard who is friend ...
      4. sa-ag
        sa-ag 23 January 2016 17: 09
        +4
        Quote: Vita VKO
        It is much more important for Russia to be friends with countries that are really defending their national interests, such as China

        God forbid you from such friendship
    2. exalibor
      exalibor 23 January 2016 15: 46
      +1
      Yeah ... only on the border of India and China while the Air Force of Europe and the USA is not very visible, but here they are already flying in the Baltic States and Poland ... where is it interesting to blow harder? where is better to plug holes?
    3. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 24 January 2016 06: 30
      0
      Nonsense, please! СРЦ П-15 This is that before the Indians and China. These are such "allies" who are only for themselves. From China, the Russian Federation is dependent, and the Indians are loot and only loot !!!
  2. avg
    avg 23 January 2016 14: 16
    27
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    He spread rot himself. It sways like a certain flower in the hole - and ours. and yours. One already hesitated, now lives in Rostov.

    Yes sir. Can anyone remember the thread when Rygorych acted as an ally and helped Russia?
    But there are more than enough statements like: "Russia has no mind, no money ..." Moreover, it also sells "Belarusian oysters and kiwi".
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 23 January 2016 14: 19
      25
      Quote: avg
      But there are more than enough statements like: "Russia has no mind not money ..."

      At the same time, it lives off Russian loans and markets.
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 14: 23
        21
        Yesterday they stubbornly proved to me that Belarus is a paradise in comparison with Russia, but not a single one mentioned that this paradise was built at the expense of Russia
        1. Minstrel
          Minstrel 23 January 2016 17: 36
          +7
          Quote: Lalaika
          I was stubbornly proved yesterday that Belarus is a paradise compared to Russia

          Who was that smart? Give him here - let him move to our Belarusian "paradise". We have such a "paradise" here that we sing straight out of happiness. No.
          And after all, which is characteristic, not only do the Belarusian authorities try to rip off the people like that sticky, they also make them stand straight and sweet smile while they rummage around in our pockets.

          PS Anticipating questions - I live in the Brest region., And I have the Amer flag from the fact that I go through the Opera Turbo.
          1. BaLaLaykin
            BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 17: 42
            +4
            Igor! Good evening, if it really is interesting, then look here: Alexander Lukashenko on the new military doctrine of Belarus: "Gunpowder must be kept dry", I collected some minuses there like mushrooms and received a warning lol
            We figured out the flag yesterday-RECRUIT! (Joke)
            1. Minstrel
              Minstrel 23 January 2016 22: 02
              +3
              Quote: Lalaika
              I picked up cons there like mushrooms

              Yes, because there are many such individuals who, as established, keep repeating tirelessly: "At the father - order", "At the father, you will not be spoiled", "At the father, paradise on earth was built", etc. etc.
              I'll tell you what, my dears - you are trying to talk about the taste of pineapple without ever trying it. Everything was OK with the "dad" while the loot was floating from Russia. As the river turned into a drying stream, a polar fur-bearing animal came. Everything is pouring in like a house of cards. The beautiful Belarusian castle, in fact, turned out to be sandy, and the wave of the crisis that had come, washed it away almost to the ground. And we ... well, what are we? We are trying to survive in new conditions. And the state does not help us very much in this. On the contrary - with some kind of manic zeal, he tries to push us further with his foot towards the abyss ...
              1. BaLaLaykin
                BaLaLaykin 24 January 2016 00: 21
                0
                They still continue to prove, but they don’t come in contact with you laughing
    2. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 14: 20
      +3
      he now has a new favorite, China, what was not sold to the Russian "oligarchs" is sold to the Chinese laughing
      more details here: http://belaruschina.by/
      1. avt
        avt 23 January 2016 14: 30
        +9
        Quote: Lalaika
        he now has a new favorite, China, what was not sold to the Russian "oligarchs" is sold to the Chinese
        more details here: http://belaruschina.by/

        And the Chinese cannot be divorced by money for "sayuznae state" and "brotherly people". These passengers give money, even with a small percentage, on bail. Pay off - your happiness, no - business and nothing personal, fraternal, union-state ... ours in Moscow with the metro broke off with "Chinese investments", now they themselves rake it out, slowly, but the stations are introduced and the district ground is built up with its connection to system with the subway. The Chinese have a hell of a plate of money - heavy passengers in the negotiations.
        1. BaLaLaykin
          BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 14: 33
          +3
          So the Chinese do not want to just give money, now they will try to take money from the IMF, and everyone remembers the conditions for obtaining a loan from the IMF, who does not remember, let Ukrainians ask laughing
  3. Leprekon
    Leprekon 23 January 2016 15: 31
    +6
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    One already hesitated, now lives in Rostov.
    It’s bad that he lives! If the thieves, sitting on two chairs and other "servants of the people" knew that in Russia not only everyone remembers, but does not wait for them in the event of a collapse of their political career, they might consider themselves less politicians of world importance, and more looking for a real union with Russia.
  4. Panabebis
    Panabebis 23 January 2016 15: 37
    -14 qualifying.
    He spread rot himself. It sways like a certain flower in the hole - and ours. and yours. One already hesitated, now lives in Rostov.

    He doesn’t hesitate anywhere! He is always for integration with Russia! It’s a damn Kremlin puts wheels in the wheel! And in the article, by the way, they write about this. :))
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 23 January 2016 16: 01
      +3
      It’s a damn Kremlin stick in the wheels! And in the article, by the way, they write about it. :))
      The Kremlin is written with a capital letter in this context. At the expense of devils, "you certainly did not drink on holidays?" And, you know, something else will be seen. And, in general, be more careful with expressions.
      1. Panabebis
        Panabebis 23 January 2016 17: 23
        +2
        And, in general, more careful with expressions.

        So why are they driving the Old Man lately? Or does Russia need the Belarusian Parashenko with Yaytsenyukh?
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 23 January 2016 17: 36
          +1
          Can you explain how to prevent?
          Only, please, in Russian, if Che.
    2. Homo
      Homo 23 January 2016 19: 52
      +7
      Quote: Panaebis
      He is always for integration with Russia!

      And who blocked the transition to the Russian ruble?
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 23 January 2016 13: 50
    35
    Wait, no more than six months ago (approximately), the Old Man refused to place the base for us. So there would have been airplanes and S-400, he is on duty, mind you, for free. But he refused ...
    And if he wanted modern weapons as a gift, I'm sorry, oil is getting cheaper, we are not pulling. request
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 23 January 2016 14: 01
      +3
      Why would Russia pay for free to find a base?
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 14: 05
        +5
        no, thank you. or start our air defense base for free or buy at a normal price
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 23 January 2016 15: 15
          +5
          or launch our air defense base for free or buy at a normal price
          Therefore, it is annoying that the Russian Federation is ready to defend and pay! But, all the same, does not grow together ?!
      2. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 23 January 2016 14: 06
        +4
        Well, all the more, a little more money would have earned a little ...
    2. avt
      avt 23 January 2016 14: 05
      12
      Quote: Observer 33
      Wait, no more than six months ago (approximately), the Old Man refused to place the base for us. So there would have been airplanes and S-400, he is on duty, mind you, for free. But he refused ...

      Yeah, and now, artist Vuyachich, we have couplets here ..... he will sing, he will sing ". laughing Like an old song about the main thing
      It turned out that in this case, for the Kremlin, money was more important than strategic partnership and assistance to the only ally covering the western direction! And this is an example concerning only air defense systems, and there are quite a lot of such spheres of virtual cooperation of an ally.
      It sounds trite, but in the Russian business plan, rendering assistance to Belarus does not appear. Thus, Minsk turns out to be alone against a whole bloc of aggressively-minded countries and must rely only on its own forces.
      ,, We will protect you! You have nothing in the west! "
      It seems that the time has come to think about whether there is any sense from such a strategic partnership and what dividends Belarus receives from such cooperation militarily.
      Directly the immortal is heard from the son of a Turkish citizen - ,, Dengi! Dengi come on! "The author of the Uzbek, all ha-ra-sho! The first tank army is already being formed and a division near Smolensk, the S-400 is being installed in the Moscow region, it happened in connection with the formation of the SUVYARENNVGO STATE OF THE REPUBLIC BELARUS, this is already our first air defense line - before Smolensk will get it, so you and Batskaya do not need to strain to defend Russia, we will figure it out ourselves and you within the framework of the CSTO, well, if there is external aggression and there will be an official appeal from the official authorities from Minsk again.
      Quote: Observer 33
      And if he wanted modern weapons as a gift, I'm sorry, oil is getting cheaper, we are not pulling.

      And "matches" Kolya are not toys. laughing
    3. exalibor
      exalibor 23 January 2016 15: 54
      0
      and it’s also not clear, for what reason ... like public opinion is against, I myself and Belarus have never been against and never see those who were against, except stubborn Bnff people ... but they are always like Ukrainians just to bite Russia. ..
  • Johnny51
    Johnny51 23 January 2016 15: 31
    +5
    Do not flatter yourself! After all, Babi Yar was "safely" forgotten in Ukraine, right? And Georgia ?! Of course, Old Man cares about his people, who can argue ... Yes, only sometimes he overestimates.
    1. exalibor
      exalibor 23 January 2016 15: 56
      +6
      a controversial question about what he cares about ... certainly not about the people ...
  • lukke
    lukke 23 January 2016 15: 46
    +6
    Stop dad spread rot! It's not funny anymore..
    and why should we spread rot for him ?! - he himself understands that the script is quite real in Belarus under certain conditions, and before that .... I don’t want to think, but it can happen as in New Russia - part of the eastern regions with Russia, the west - with the west, and the war lines Oshmyany-Minsk-Bobruisk-Gomel.
    So for himself, the Old Man has long decided, just a dumb little on the S-400, hotstsa for free)
    1. exalibor
      exalibor 23 January 2016 16: 00
      +2
      Quote: lukke
      but it can happen as in New Russia - part of the eastern regions with Russia, the west - with the west, and the war along the line Oshmyany-Minsk-Bobruisk-Gomel

      Well, this is unlikely ... in Belarus there is no such clear division into west and east as in Hohland ...
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 23 January 2016 16: 04
        +2
        Alas, alas, there is. 30-th SS division, confirmation of this.
        1. ruskih
          ruskih 23 January 2016 19: 24
          +7
          Good evening, Alexander. I wanted to answer you about western Belarus earlier. That you are hooked on this division. The second time I come across in your comments. When was it created? Minsk was liberated on July 3, and Brest on July 28, 1944. So this division was called both Russian and Belarusian and was assembled from renegades. And such a small excursion into history. In the Brest region there were small groups, and in 1942 there were also partisan detachments of Chertkov, Poddubny, Kamburatov, Dimitrov, Shchors, the brigade named after Lenin, Stalin, Chapaev and this was not yet named. Another little-known example of guerrilla warfare. On August 2, 1942, three detachments conducted a joint operation to destroy the German garrison in the small town of Kossovo (do not confuse with the Serbian one). And then they kept their commandant’s office there for more than a month. And all this is western Belarus. I think you will be interested in the memoirs of the headmaster (you understand that you already had one) and in the 42nd commander of the Shchors detachment. Link.http: //militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/sb_bug_v_ogne/40.htm.
          So western Belarus fought and as the Lithuanians joyfully did not meet the Nazis.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 24 January 2016 09: 10
            +1
            Elena, thanks for the info in your comment.
            Why "hooked", emotions. I grew up in the USSR and heard from childhood, and for me there was definitely an equal sign between the words of partisans and Belarusian. Now, as it were, he grew up, but, apparently, children's emotions remained (they taught well in the USSR, they fell on the subcortex). So, so, before there was information about Bandera, there was an anecdote, "three Ukrainians together is a partisan detachment with a traitor." About Belarusians, or anything! Belarus is a partisan land!
            Most recently, I first went to the site of A. Drabkin. I read the memories, including former partisans. And then I read what turns out! Was the Belarusian SS division! Personally, for me, it's like a low blow. Well, it doesn’t fit in my head: Belarus! and SSesovets! If I hurt someone’s feelings, please excuse me. It takes time for such information, personally for me, to find a shelf in my head, to become familiar.
      2. lukke
        lukke 23 January 2016 16: 22
        +2
        in Belarus there is no such clear division into west and east as in hohland
        I hope, but there you can make a separation - For Old Man / Against, and change the filling in the process of tearing
        1. Tjeck
          Tjeck 23 January 2016 21: 48
          0
          That's right, those who are against this so-called red and white. I don’t say that Old Man is perfect, but at least he copes well with his post, while the other party receives grants from the USA and Poland, I know because my uncle was and maybe is in the UCP. For example, I wish the best for Russia and the Russians in general, and I cannot be convinced of this, but there are many other people who, having seen narrow-minded statements like `` avva2012 '', can spit and start expressing sympathy for the red and white. Again, do not meddle in the wrong garden.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 24 January 2016 16: 13
            -1
            Include logic, do not contradict yourself. If my statements are "narrow-minded", then nobody will pay attention to them. It's elementary.
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  • Sweles
    Sweles 23 January 2016 16: 36
    +2

    Moreover, in the near future, the air defense systems of Belarus and air defense forces of Belarus will finally be supplied with S-300 air defense systems purchased in Russia. And although they will enhance the country's air defense, these systems have long been no new weapons - the last S-300 for the Russian army was produced around 1994

    the author Vuyachich is not aware of the C300v4, they are not only still releasing it, but the long-range missile 200km was adopted very recently, several years ago, so when you say the C300, you need to specify which one ...
  • Misha Honest
    Misha Honest 23 January 2016 16: 36
    -5
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Stop dad spread rot! This is no longer funny ... And I'm worried! Maidan is being prepared in Minsk ..? It won’t work ... Belarusians remember their story!

    I support the namesake. If we are allies with Belarus, then we must behave accordingly - help, support and behave as equals - we are one people, even if they have not everything as good as we dreamed of. And we just throw them leftovers from the table, like a dog. sad And after that, do you want some other reaction from Lukashenko ?! am
    For some reason, our rulers want equality with the West and do the opposite with their allies. This is vile.
  • Homo
    Homo 23 January 2016 19: 41
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Belarusians remember their story!

    So Ukrainians also seemed to know and remember history, before the Maidan!
  • ostrom
    ostrom 23 January 2016 20: 26
    +3
    "Ukrainians" also remembered a lot of things, as a result, a handful of tricksters finally came to power and finished off the relationship between Russia and Ukraine forever. The moment of some deviations in Minsk is not excluded. Therefore, you should not put anything higher than the S-300 there. Actually, this air defense system is quite a worthy machine in front-line placement.
  • Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 23 January 2016 13: 42
    21
    Quote: KAPITANUS
    They do not always understand that money is not the main thing.

    Did you read it carefully? This thesis, in particular: "It seems that the time has come to think is there any point from such a strategic partnership and what dividends does Belarus receive from such military cooperation. "Otherwise, it is difficult to assess such a statement as blackmail. You see, they need dividends. But why, turn to NATO for" military dividends "?
    Or is it personal opinion of Mr. Vuyachich?
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 23 January 2016 13: 46
      11
      Well, yes, everything is as always, Russia MUST ...
      And we will trade with Ukrainians.
      1. vlad66
        vlad66 23 January 2016 14: 05
        15
        Quote: Kos_kalinki9
        Well, yes, everything is as always, Russia MUST ...
        And we will trade with Ukrainians.

        It looks like a gas blackmail of dill, only here Give armaments, or else .... hi
    2. exalibor
      exalibor 23 January 2016 16: 06
      -6
      well, let’s think like this ... if kneading begins with NATO, we will be the first to get under the ice rink and we don’t really want to die with the old crowbar ... but there’s no money for a new one ... and it won’t happen for thousands of kilometers and just 1000 km (the distance from Grodno to Moscow) from Moscow, and even closer from the Baltic, and if the army of the Republic of Belarus is shuffled in a week (and it will be so if it is not covered from air attacks), then for some reason I’m not sure that Russia will have time to react normally ... although yes ... all these exercises of the RF Armed Forces look impressive, but until 1941 the exercises of the Red Army looked no worse, but you know what history turned out to be ...
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 16: 08
        0
        Do not forget about Kaliningrad, which also covers Belarus from part
        1. exalibor
          exalibor 23 January 2016 17: 28
          -1
          Yes? from which part is interesting? Grodno region? In the event of an attack, Kaliningrad would be able to withstand itself, not to mention the help of Belarus ...
      2. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 23 January 2016 21: 16
        +2
        Victoria Vladimirova /
        06.10.15/11990/XNUMX XNUMX views
        Lukashenko refused to deploy a Russian air base in Belarus
        Belarus does not need to deploy a Russian air base on its territory, however, it needs certain weapons, BelTA is quoted by BelTA

        And here is the "cover" from air attacks.
        I don’t understand Alexander Grigoryevich recently, I don’t understand.
  • Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 23 January 2016 13: 45
    19
    When Putin quoted the tsar's phrase from the film "Ivan Vasilyevich ....." - How can you understand when you don't say anything! ", He addressed this to the Yankees, but it may well apply to Lukashenka, on the issue of alliance! finally, Mr. President of Belarus! negative
    1. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 13: 53
      +5
      golden words laughing
  • vlad66
    vlad66 23 January 2016 13: 52
    31
    It seems that the time has come to think about whether there is any sense from such a strategic partnership and what dividends Belarus receives from such cooperation militarily.

    Dear Belarusians, here’s the smell of fried your dad remembered the strategic partnership, and where was he in 2015 when Russia proposed to deploy a military base, with our weapons and aircraft? Where was your dad before when it was necessary to support a strategic ally in the accession of Crimea ? With recognition of the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia? Old Man would remember what Yanukovych ended up sitting in 2 chairs, Lukashenko certainly is not a yanukovodchik, he will not tolerate any Maidan, but he will continue to send hamons, oysters and lobsters grown in Belarus to Russia. Russia has always come to the rescue, but as they say, even thanks was bitter. hi
    1. exalibor
      exalibor 23 January 2016 16: 09
      +1
      who argues .. he told the whole truth ... well, they would have taken and planted another president for us (for this one already got it ...) ... we don’t mind ... just don’t have to talk about what you yourself can why Russia should ... because a priori we are your vassality, as if the dad would not jump and show independence, otherwise it might turn out like with hohland ... they thought that they tied economically, and the Americans changed the top and all this economic tie went down the drain, although people were mostly against the Americans, for the most part, little depends on ordinary people ...
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 16: 21
        +1
        Dear Alexander, Yesterday they proved to me that life in Belarus is just a fairy tale. They gave a bunch of arguments in favor of this. Forgetting that Russia had two wars in its territory, a war in a neighboring state that was never recognized by Lukashenko, military operations in Ukraine and in Syria, which is an additional burden on our budget, sanctions. Plus contains Belarus, Abkhazia, Ossetia and LDN
        1. exalibor
          exalibor 23 January 2016 17: 36
          +1
          I don’t know who was proving there ... for example, I’m from Gomel and how I live there I don’t know on TV and Internet ... But no one forgets about these events, but Russia, however, has more opportunities ... sorry and more ... if you want to be a hegemon - be so kind as to be able to defend your territories - this is what Russia proved in these wars .... withstood - honor and praise! And the fact that our mustachioed did not recognize ... well, so what are we to blame for? I’ll admit it, and 90% of Belarusians admitted, but has it just changed?
          And the events in Hohland and Syria ... well, it’s already so clear that a war is being waged against Russia .... but imagine this situation during the Second World War ... there is money for the defense of Moscow ... we are defending ... to Stalingrad no ... we leave it ... and now the situation is just like that ..
  • oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 23 January 2016 13: 56
    +9
    Quote: KAPITANUS
    They do not always understand that money is not the main thing.
    - If the fifth point had not been turned around in Minsk, then the attitude towards them would have been appropriate. And then such "friends" to arm, sometimes it is more expensive! And Kiev, at one time, was also almost considered allies ...
  • Dam
    Dam 23 January 2016 15: 24
    +8
    It’s not about money. Our Mega ally behaves inappropriately. Look at all his deeds and not his words. All games go on two sides. So apparently we do not risk giving the latest developments to such a valuable ally. And to cover our western borders is our task, and not changeable allies
    1. exalibor
      exalibor 23 January 2016 16: 14
      -1
      but it’s interesting ... but to China it means risking ... it is much more reliable))) RB, unlike China, does not copy Russian technologies ... and reproducing several hundred s-400s with the Chinese industry will not be a problem ...
      1. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 23 January 2016 16: 31
        +2
        China stupidly pays grandmas. Pay, we will deliver to you what the soul desires.
        1. exalibor
          exalibor 23 January 2016 17: 41
          -3
          Well, yes ... for a trial batch of a dozen pieces, which it then disassembles and copies without any licenses ... but for some reason you don’t require money from them ... and how much did the development of Russia cost such a complex? And the Chinese, bypassing the stage of development spending, will immediately receive this complex ...
          Quote: Good AAAH
          China stupidly pays grandmas. Pay, we will deliver to you what the soul desires.

          we defend your western borders .... pay)))) what else do you have to pay? With the DNI and LC do not want to take money for arms supplies? And with Syria, for the fact that there the Russian aerospace forces spend aircraft resources, spend fuel, bombs, lose planes and people?
          1. DobryAAH
            DobryAAH 23 January 2016 17: 48
            +3
            we defend your western borders .... pay)))) what else do you have to pay? With the DNI and LC do not want to take money for arms supplies? And with Syria, for the fact that there the Russian aerospace forces spend aircraft resources, spend fuel, bombs, lose planes and people?

            Who are you fighting with now? As they attack, we will jump to the rescue.
            By the way, we protect you from Japan, Afghanistan, Turkey, Georgia and Daesh, pay.
            Yes, you do not fatten for an hour? If anything, I’m a glutton-Muscovite. Some already ate fat.
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  • Petrof
    Petrof 23 January 2016 16: 37
    0
    Quote: KAPITANUS
    They do not always understand that money is not the main thing.


    in relations between states?
    most importantly, money or other material nishtyaki
    otherwise the country for which money is not the main thing-will end as the USSR
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 23 January 2016 16: 55
      +7
      Money of course. Stop throwing loot, not complete stupid people, Ukraine teaches. Although I was still against the distribution of dough Putin was. Already cited statistics, more help, betray. We beat the face, respect. Conclusion: beat the face.
  • Tor5
    Tor5 23 January 2016 17: 31
    -4
    I want to believe that our authorities will finally understand that they could lose their only ally ...
    1. Dam
      Dam 23 January 2016 23: 42
      +1
      Perhaps the quote is already imposed in my teeth, but "Russia has only two allies, the Army and the Navy"
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  • Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 23 January 2016 13: 36
    -2
    In addition to the aforementioned S-400, Belarus along with Kaliningrad would not be bad to strengthen the tanks Armata, T-15, over-the-horizon ATGM Hermes, Tornado-S. In response to the deployment of conventional weapons.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 23 January 2016 13: 40
      +3
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      It would not be bad to strengthen Belarus along with Kaliningrad with Armata, T-15 tanks, over-the-horizon ATGMs Hermes, Tornado-S.

      Not bad, not bad, but where is all this?
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 23 January 2016 14: 27
        -3
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Not bad, not bad, but where is all this?

        Well, for example, Tornado-S and Tornado-G have already joined the troops. As soon as mass production begins, then immediately send to the western borders.
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      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 23 January 2016 14: 07
        +7
        Quote: Observer 33
        Most of the things you have listed so far are top secret

        "Most of the above" has not yet been adopted for service .. as if request

        So there is simply no way to reinforce anyone with this.

        Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
        It would not be bad to strengthen Belarus along with Kaliningrad with Armata, T-15 tanks, over-the-horizon ATGM Hermes, Tornado-S

        A reserve financier who has nothing to do with the Air Force and has not served in the Army .. divorced you, get drunk .. kerosene, and begin to drive bullshit .. pah ..
    3. gergi
      gergi 23 January 2016 14: 12
      +6
      And the carrier fleet! As a gift, father! Can immediately convey to the Americans, without intermediaries, so to speak?
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 23 January 2016 14: 15
        +1
        Quote: gergi
        And the carrier fleet! As a gift, father! Can immediately convey to the Americans, without intermediaries, so to speak?

        It's not about a gift, but about placement on a temporary basis. For example, the United States transferred military equipment to eastern Europe, we also need to answer. Belarus is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization; therefore, we have an agreement on this.
        1. BaLaLaykin
          BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 14: 21
          +6
          there is agreement, but Lukashenko has no desire
      2. exalibor
        exalibor 23 January 2016 16: 16
        -1
        Well, just don’t need to drive to the Old Man in vain .... when he passed what to the Americans ??? !!!
    4. avva2012
      avva2012 23 January 2016 14: 12
      +6
      In addition to the already mentioned C-400, Belarus.
      To hang the Death Star over Belarus.
      With such an attitude, Old Man, only her and the golden toilets remained.
      It is interesting to explain to the population why there is no base in the BR, the government of the Russian Federation, weakly, sunken or, what else!
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 23 January 2016 14: 18
        +2
        Quote: avva2012
        With such an attitude, Old Man, only her and the golden toilets remained.
        It is interesting to explain to the population why there is no base in the BR, the government of the Russian Federation, weakly, sunken or, what else!

        Old Man is clearly not threatening. So he does not want amplification. Those troops that NATO transferred to eastern Europe, he believes that this is just a saber-rattling weapon and does not bear a clear threat to Belarus. Otherwise, his actions cannot be explained.
        As for the Baltic countries, they jumped out of their pants in front of the Americans, shouting for an interruption about the fate of Ukraine awaiting them, and they were happy to help them.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 23 January 2016 15: 01
          +4
          Old Man is clearly not threatening. So he does not want amplification. Those troops that NATO transferred to eastern Europe, he believes that this is just a rattling of weapons and does not bear a clear threat to Belarus.
          BR has a fairly strategic position in Europe. Old man, he understands this, of course. From the outside, not knowing the full background, there is a feeling that he is simply bargaining. They say, the transit of goods through Brest, "is something worth little?" Moreover, on the outskirts of the problem. That is, the question arises, "what about the silk road?" The feeling of inner significance grows, a sparkle appears in the eyes, "dengi!"
          There is no need to talk about the flawed in the Baltic states. Their governments have long ago laid on their backs, "will they pay, will they not pay?"
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 January 2016 16: 26
      +1
      Belarus doesn’t need our MLRS, they have their own - "Polonaise" and tanks and ATGMs.
    6. Petrof
      Petrof 23 January 2016 16: 38
      0
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      it would not be bad to strengthen


      sell more precisely
    7. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 23 January 2016 17: 40
      +2
      If NATO comes to Kaliningrad, then such a war will not be fought with conventional weapons, at least TNW. There will no longer be a Tornado.
  • Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 23 January 2016 13: 40
    +3
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    In addition to the aforementioned S-400, Belarus along with Kaliningrad would not be bad to strengthen the tanks Armata, T-15, over-the-horizon ATGM Hermes, Tornado-S. In response to the deployment of conventional weapons.

    At whose expense, we can not stand such a waste.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 23 January 2016 14: 21
      0
      Quote: Primus Pilus
      At whose expense, we can not stand such a waste.

      What are the expenses? This weapon will be produced this way for the needs of Russia, I do not propose to donate it to Belarus, I suggest placing it there. These weapons will go somewhere in the central military district and, in fact, will not decide anything there. Unlike Kaliningrad and Belarus, where these weapons will perform deterrent functions.
    2. Starik72
      Starik72 23 January 2016 14: 28
      +6
      Primus Pilus ...... we cannot stand such a waste. You are wrong, for the sake of OUR security, WE ALL together WILL SUPPORT any expenses, and it was perfectly shown by VICTORY in the Great Patriotic War. Only here many are trying to quarrel Belarus and Russia, only this they will not succeed.
    3. exalibor
      exalibor 23 January 2016 16: 18
      0
      and if the war begins, stand it? or because of a lack of money we’ll give up immediately, the states and Europe have more)
  • Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 23 January 2016 13: 41
    +1
    Old Man understood that it would not work to sit on two chairs, Yanukovych was an example of this, and he made a choice of side.
    1. Theline
      Theline 23 January 2016 13: 46
      +7
      I hear a ring, but I don’t know where he is ...
  • robbihood
    robbihood 23 January 2016 13: 42
    +1
    Looking at the trend, Fiji Islands will be third in line for the S - 400. Or maybe they already got them. History teaches only one thing - it teaches nothing. Near-minded politicians.
    1. Glory_box
      Glory_box 23 January 2016 13: 47
      +6
      Have money ? Buy ....
      1. robbihood
        robbihood 23 January 2016 13: 52
        -2
        Do not sell. The AHL has spoken about this several times.
        1. BaLaLaykin
          BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 14: 01
          +3
          In the Kaliningrad region is the S-400, Belarus delivered Tor-M2
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 23 January 2016 13: 56
      +5
      Fiji received 7 rifle containers, and there will still be a dozen trucks and one helicopter. And that’s all for the needs of the UN.
    3. avt
      avt 23 January 2016 14: 09
      +3
      Quote: robbihood
      . History teaches only one thing - it teaches nothing. Near-minded politicians.

      laughing Announce the entire list please, and we will consider how one quite authoritative person bequeathed to himself - not by words, but by their deeds judge them.
      Quote: robbihood
      Do not sell. The AHL has spoken about this several times.

      Well, specify from the very beginning - they do not give credit - money on credit without repayment, so that Batska would buy them, sort of for his own. laughingAnd not just bought, but how he somehow gave out about the received S-300 - "found somewhere in the suburbs lying around." laughing
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 14: 12
        +2
        Why buy if you can just build an air defense base, there’s no damn it, he’s like a capricious beggar, give me some money and big, not small
      2. noWAR
        noWAR 23 January 2016 14: 26
        +3
        give an example when in debt and without repayment.
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        2. SAM 5
          SAM 5 23 January 2016 14: 59
          +3
          give an example when in debt and without repayment.

          And without interest.
          1. BaLaLaykin
            BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 15: 05
            +6
            Suzdaltsev considers the second reason for the refusal to be a bad credit history of Belarus in relation to Russian finances. If the Belarusian government regularly repays Western loans, then Russia's debts are repaid mainly due to the money borrowed from Moscow again, Suzdaltsev emphasized. For example, in 2015 alone, Minsk received two Russian loans of $ 110 million and $ 760 million to pay off debt obligations to the Russian Federation.


            An HSE expert said that Russia also agreed to defer payments for 2016. We are talking about the amount of 720 million dollars. The total amount of various payments and various preferences provided annually by Moscow to Union Minsk is from 9 to 10 billion dollars, the analyst emphasized. In addition, the Russian Federation allocated to the Belarusian side financing for the construction of a nuclear power plant in the amount of $ 10 billion.
            Well, something like this laughing
            1. exalibor
              exalibor 23 January 2016 17: 53
              0
              Quote: Lalaika
              annually provided by Moscow to Union Minsk, is from 9 to 10 billion dollars

              you know .. if the Russian Federation really gave RB such money, we would all be in chocolate here ...
              1. BaLaLaykin
                BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 17: 59
                +1
                So that's just the point, and my question was, why aren't you in chocolate? Do you have any oligarchs?
      3. exalibor
        exalibor 23 January 2016 16: 22
        +1
        yes maybe it was so ... after all, they destroyed the c300 made under a contract for Asia, and then something went wrong with the payment and drank the complexes ... no, to give at least to Belarus ... no, let's have a drink ...
        1. avt
          avt 23 January 2016 18: 24
          0
          Quote: exalibor
          yes maybe it was so .... after all, they destroyed the c300 made under a contract for Asia, and then something went wrong with the payment and drank the complexes ... not to give at least to Belarus ...

          Avon how! laughing About "sawn" complexes in the course, but about
          Quote: Lalaika
          An HSE expert said that Russia also agreed to defer payments for 2016. We are talking about the amount of 720 million dollars. The total amount of various payments and various preferences provided annually by Moscow to Union Minsk is from 9 to 10 billion dollars, the analyst emphasized. In addition, the Russian Federation allocated to the Belarusian side financing for the construction of a nuclear power plant in the amount of $ 10 billion.
          Well, something like this

          Immediately includes a fool
          Quote: exalibor
          . if the Russian Federation really gave RB such money, we would all be in chocolate here ...

          Like if they would have given it, But father would certainly have given everyone in an envelope with an inscription from where he took the money. wassat
          Quote: exalibor
          but, however, Russia has more opportunities and sorry, and a bigger Wishlist ... if you want to be a hegemon - be so kind as to be able to defend your territories - this is what Russia proved in these wars .... it survived - honor and praise!

          Pobola, there are more real possibilities and "Wishlist" in accordance with the possibilities - "we have the opportunity to build a house", in contrast to Batski -en, "has the opportunity to buy a goat" but the wishlist is explicit to buy a house and certainly behind the Kremlin wall, with a view of the Kremlin, he does not agree with anything less. Regarding the protection of the territory, well, we defend ours, again, and if God forbid, something happens in the form of external aggression against Belarus, then within the framework of the signed documents of the CSTO and in accordance with the request a legitimate leadership, well, in general, like in Syria and even better. Taking into account what we are regularly warned about and most of us have long perceived as an objective reality - Belarus is a sovereign state. But when after this I start to breed like suckers
          Quote: exalibor
          not to give even in Belarus ...

          That somehow No. all this canoe about "sayuznae state" and other "brotherhood" is no longer rolling, especially against the background of the Russian Air Force base in Belarus, when Butler, having obviously seen enough of TNT, turned on Alexander Borodach - "I'm not in kugse gebyats!"
  • Glory_box
    Glory_box 23 January 2016 13: 44
    +4
    And why the question is only about dividends? You might think that someone will attack Belarus ...
    1. exalibor
      exalibor 23 January 2016 16: 23
      0
      so when it attacks it is too late to think and dividends will be considered ... remind 41? when did the Germans reach Minsk a week?
      1. Glory_box
        Glory_box 23 January 2016 17: 01
        +1
        You dear, think in terms that no longer represent reality. Well, what are ... Germans? Now the armament allows you not to go anywhere at all ... 41 they decided to recall ... ridiculously simple ... some slogans and templates.
  • Yak28
    Yak28 23 January 2016 13: 44
    +6
    And why are the people whose fault NATO is located at the borders of Russia, the fault of which the country's defense capability collapsed, the country plundered, the fault of which created between the rich and the poor, not executed, and their criminal acts not publicly condemned? request
  • spiriolla-45
    spiriolla-45 23 January 2016 13: 45
    10
    It is not known how dad will behave further. If he follows the path of Ukrainians and declares us an aggressor? What then? After all, he did not openly support us in anything, neither in Ossetia, nor in Abkhazia and dill he supports more. You can arm yourself on the neck, which then will be disheveled. Is it better to build their bases there than not to help an ally?
    1. Glory_box
      Glory_box 23 January 2016 13: 49
      +3
      Yes, no one will climb with weapons, only from the inside.
    2. bannik
      bannik 23 January 2016 17: 26
      +2
      He will not follow the path of Ukrainians! He perfectly understands that in this case the first kirdyk will come to him.
  • raid14
    raid14 23 January 2016 13: 50
    +7
    It’s time for Grygorich to make a choice either with us or against us. His last steps in assisting the junta with equipment and fuel, the refusal to place our aircraft at the air base in Baranovichi, leads to bad thoughts.
    1. gergi
      gergi 23 January 2016 14: 07
      +8
      Rygorych-forgiveness is still one.
  • BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 13: 51
    +5
    President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko on Tuesday, October 6, said that there was no talk of creating a Russian air base on the territory of the republic. Minsk does not need a base, the president emphasized.
    more details here: http: //www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2015/10/06/611701-lukashenko-niche
    go-ne-znaet
    and the defense of Belarus is spelled out in the Russian military doctrine
    1. SAM 5
      SAM 5 23 January 2016 15: 00
      -1
      He does not want to become target No. 1 And who wants?
  • Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 23 January 2016 13: 53
    +5
    If my memory serves me right, Russia wanted to create a base there but the Old Man refused. On it were all new weapons. Maybe the GDP so wants to put pressure on the dad so that it is more accommodating. Although the ways of the higher are not professed.
  • pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 23 January 2016 13: 57
    -1
    The immediate plans of Belarus include re-equipping the army with the most modern types of weapons and military equipment, primarily due to Russian supplies. This was stated in a television interview by Minister of Defense Andrei Ravkov.

    He said that over the past five years, the Tor-M2 short-range anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) division, a link from four Yak-130 combat training aircraft, as well as a second-hand, have been purchased and put into service for the Air Force and the country's air defense forces. - Four S-300PS air defense divisions from the presence of the Russian armed forces.
    MLRS "Polonez", successfully tested in 2015, was put into service. Fima "Tetraidr" is not idle, and in the near future - mastering the production of engines for helicopters and its own cruise missile "Aist". Well, a lot of little things - such as ATGMs, including tracked vehicles, good optics, etc.
    Yes, I almost forgot - Belarusian wheels for the Russian army and two Russian military bases, for which Russia does not pay. But lately Belarus has been among Russians - well, like Cinderella.
    1. avt
      avt 23 January 2016 14: 23
      +9
      Quote: Pilot bin-bom
      Yes, I almost forgot - Belarusian wheels for the Russian army and two Russian military bases, for which Russia does not pay. But lately Belarus has been among Russians - well, like Cinderella.

      wassat That is, the same energy sources at the IN-RUSSIAN PRICES, and other arms deliveries do not count. Also have to pay for the wheels?
      Quote: Pilot bin-bom
      But lately Belarus has been among Russians - well, like Cinderella.

      Rather, it’s Zlushki, but Butsk’s straightforward is not like a pillar noblewoman, which corresponds to his resources and capabilities as a sovereign gaspadar in comparison with GDP, and doesn’t want to be the Queen of Belarus! wassat The minimum that I agree on is to be the mistress of the sea, so that he lives in a sea-shore and that he has the GDP and DAM on the premises! wassat laughing Well, what can you say? Only what Pushkin spoke about further - he will see the GDP at Batsku Minsk and at his feet a broken trough. For he who has ears, let him hear - "A fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it - a lesson for good fellows."
      1. exalibor
        exalibor 23 January 2016 16: 32
        0
        Quote: avt
        That is, the same energy sources at the IN-RUSSIAN PRICES, and other arms deliveries do not count. Also have to pay for the wheels?

        you have to pay for everything ... Russia does not contain a full-fledged border in the western direction. while the Republic of Belarus holds and maintains, and such expenditures also fly into a penny, and there also seems to be no special grouping of the Russian Federation on the western border with the Republic of Belarus. everything in the inner districts is concentrated ... is it worthless? let's start counting border equipment, how much does it cost to maintain troops in sufficient numbers to cover the western border? It doesn’t count but a million-strong army for a country like Russia, this is very small, and part of these expenses draws on itself and Belarus. So do not think that the RB of Russia does not give anything but only draws juices ...
        1. BaLaLaykin
          BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 16: 34
          +1
          Alexander You are a little wrong, Kaliningrad is our border outpost, and there is a lot of money
          1. exalibor
            exalibor 23 January 2016 17: 26
            +2
            that’s all salt ... an outpost, not a full-fledged border, Kaliningrad will have to defend it in case of war, maybe it will pull some forces on itself, but it won’t protect the territory of the rest of Russia from invasion ... and say it yourself not a little goes there ... but in Belarus they ended ... for one reason or another ... and now what? no need to cover 2000 km of the border with Europe and the Baltic states?
        2. avt
          avt 23 January 2016 19: 08
          +2
          Quote: exalibor
          you have to pay for everything ..

          laughing Only when Batske is hinted about it, well, not with money, so at least politically, like that, well, open the Air Force base even in the general interest. For some reason, hysterics immediately begins - “Don't bend us down!” “Belorussia is a sacred state", “I don’t use a tat with a blame!” Maybe then you can still take off the cross, or put on your pants? laughing
          Quote: exalibor
          . After all, Russia does not contain a full-fledged border in the western direction. while the Republic of Belarus holds and maintains, and such expenditures also fly into a penny, and there also seems to be no special grouping of the Russian Federation on the western border with the Republic of Belarus. everything in the inner districts is concentrated ... is it worthless?

          laughing "We'll fuck you" laughing We heard that, thank God, a full-fledged formation is being deployed near Smolensk - a division and a tank army in the western direction. So do not worry - if Batsk doesn’t throw a feint like Ssynukovich, you can continue to chant - in the framework of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, Russia will solve ALL issues with external aggression against Belarus, and we won’t give ourselves an insult - thank God and the gunsmiths are fine .
          Quote: exalibor
          It doesn’t count but a million-strong army for a country like Russia, this is very small, and part of these expenses draws on itself and Belarus.

          It’s good to dope, I’m not Putin — I won’t give money for sure, and the army of the Russian Federation is not fighting in bayonet attacks today. Do not believe? See how it is done in Syria. laughing
      2. pilot bin-bom
        pilot bin-bom 23 January 2016 18: 33
        -1
        Yes, I almost forgot - Belarusian wheels for the Russian army and two Russian military bases, for which Russia does not pay.
        The complex delivered to Syria is equipped with self-propelled launchers (SPU) on the Minsk special wheeled chassis MAZ-543M (MAZ / MZKT-7310), similar to those used in the S-300. But where, they say, towed SPU based on modern chassis BAZ-64022 of the Bryansk Automobile Plant?
        However, this surprise is completely in vain: the Triumph complex is capable of using several types of missiles - both those included in the S-300PMU-1 and S-300PMU-2 (48N6E3, 48N6E2, 48N6E, 9M96E2 and 9M96E), and specially designed for C -400 (40H6E super long range).

        Therefore, the S-400 SAM launchers - 5P85SE2 / 3 (self-propelled), 5P85TE2 / 3 (towed) - are modifications of the control systems used in the S-300PM, S-300PMU-1, S-300PMU2 “Favorite”. The military explains the use of both types of SPU by the fact that towed is simpler and cheaper (an important thing for export deliveries).

        We also note that for the new 40N6E missiles (as well as 9M96E2 and 9M96E), a special SPU 51P6E based on the chassis of the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant (MZKT) MZKT-7930 was developed.

        It seems that the choice for the transfer to Syria of a self-propelled SPU based on the MAZ-543M / MZKT-7310 (formulas 8x8) is explained by its shorter length compared to the five-axis SPU based on the BAZ-6422 and the semitrailer. What is important for a more rational use of the cargo compartment space of the An-124 transporter. And loading into a plane a shorter self-propelled SPU with two steered axles is much simpler than towed.

        Talk about the obsolescence of the MAZ-543M / MZKT-7310 chassis is groundless. The vehicles of this family are not inferior to caterpillars in cross-country ability and can successfully perform combat missions in the most difficult off-road conditions. Numerous tests and actual operation in various climatic and road conditions have shown excellent dynamic qualities and high reliability of the “Hurricanes” (these drivers got such a nickname).
  • zollstab
    zollstab 23 January 2016 14: 02
    +8
    Quote: Major Yurik
    Make up your mind finally, Mr. President of Belarus!

    Their interests are in the first place. At any cost to stay in power longer.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 23 January 2016 14: 16
      +2
      Quote: zollstab
      Quote: Major Yurik
      Make up your mind finally, Mr. President of Belarus!

      Their interests are in the first place. At any cost to stay in power longer.

      Lukashenko OWNER! There is no gas, but keeps the country afloat! Products according to GOST ... Thieves and crooks are also driven from Russia too! I respect him for that .. And they know how and will fight ...
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 14: 27
        +9
        Who doesn’t have oil and gas?
        In 2015, Belorusneft conducts oil and gas production at 61 fields in Belarus, 13 in Venezuela and 4 in the Russian Federation (3 for oil, 1 for gas condensate and natural gas). Plus, resale of oil products derived from Russian oil, bought for pennies and even denezhek received for transit in Belarus
      2. exalibor
        exalibor 23 January 2016 16: 33
        0
        mdya ... from Russia it probably looks like this, but from the inside ... everything looks wrong in Belarus ...
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 23 January 2016 14: 32
      +5
      Quote: zollstab

      Their interests come first.Hold on to power any longer.


      Opanki! stop From this place in more detail ... So this is the thesis (key rule) of any ruling elite in any country ... Nope? ... Then I’ll ask for a list of people (of course, Kim Jong-un - it doesn’t count) who is in power only on the love and veneration of grateful citizens ... winked
  • gergi
    gergi 23 January 2016 14: 05
    11
    But father considers himself sooooo cunning. He wants to eat the fish, and don’t scoop the ass. He doesn’t want to buy, give the planes, give the S-400, always give, new and more. Whatever it was empty-handed then asks NATO. If our base in Belarus were there, there would be both airplanes with helicopters, and powerful air defense. The cunning villager does not want. Finishes playing as an emperor, shit.
    1. exalibor
      exalibor 23 January 2016 16: 35
      +2
      yes, calm down ... he won’t go to any NATO ...
  • askort154
    askort154 23 January 2016 14: 06
    +8
    The fashion trend of the post-Soviet "states" - if Russia does not "support" us, then we can
    turn your stern to the West. We with normal "men" strained in power, and then there are these
    "brothers-in-arms" hang like a wife in the arms of her beloved husband in a fight, thinking that this is what she saves him. Russia cannot betray, Russia cannot forget.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 23 January 2016 14: 19
      +8
      So if they were still with this stern, they would not spin. And that, that is not feed, is a weather vane. Look, Yanyk wondered who is next?
    2. exalibor
      exalibor 23 January 2016 16: 38
      +1
      Well, come on ... those states that hang on Europe and the states behave exactly the same ... and they pay, though they can hang on, but they understand that it won’t work out differently ... otherwise it’s cunningly obtained .... wants to maintain geopolitical influence in the region, but doesn’t want to do anything for this ...
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 23 January 2016 20: 53
        +1
        And here, not the same. They are just working out money for conscience, with all their Russophobic consciousness.
  • DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 23 January 2016 14: 09
    +2
    Who is Russia going to fight against if it is controlled by American Fedorov advisers? Who knows, he whistles or not? So, it seems like nonsense.
    Do we have their advisers everywhere?
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 23 January 2016 15: 02
      +3
      Quote: Good AAAH
      Do we have their advisers everywhere?


      It's time to understand:
      1. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 23 January 2016 16: 45
        +2
        I see idolaters here, and this is very similar to the project of the West on the collapse of Orthodoxy. What sects we don’t just slip in, it's time to disperse.
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 23 January 2016 14: 11
    +5
    I just didn’t understand one thing, but what is the status of the one that’s gotten over all the head has not yet been officially mastered?
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 23 January 2016 14: 59
      +3
      Submitted the resolution of the Council of the UN under the title "On the paranoia of the Polish head" with the attachment "All Polish heads" laughing Imagination ran out laughing
    2. exalibor
      exalibor 23 January 2016 16: 39
      +1
      so who will assign it to the emperor ... unless a person without the instinct of self-preservation)))
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 23 January 2016 14: 15
    +9
    MLRS "Polonaise", new missiles, radar stations, communications, reconnaissance and much more.
    This is not a panacea. Although you will have 30 Iskander regiments or S-400s of your own bottling, you can comprehensively resist NATO and thereby preserve your sovereignty only in an alliance with Russia (and you are a member of it, by the way). I must add, in the closest alliance, keep the formation shoulder to shoulder. And not to make ambiguous statements. This does not add stability in our relations. And it has a negative impact on the mood within our countries. Although ..... it is also not so simple It is one thing to talk about (and even to confuse the enemy), and another thing is precisely this business, joint cooperation in the military-industrial complex, exercises (moreover, large, strategic).
    It seems that the time has come to think about whether there is any sense from such a strategic partnership and what dividends Belarus receives from such cooperation militarily.
    Well, for the sake of this proposal, the whole article was written. "Rotten woman" which cannot be proved happily clapped her hands, and those who had doubts, I would like to say something. After the collapse of the USSR, Moscow managed to blind a military alliance. Yes, there are many-sided problems. From economy and cultural ties to the personal relationships of our leaders. each Moscow provided the participant with security guarantees, covering us all with a nuclear umbrella. A lot of work is being done to harmonize and modernize the forces. And here Moscow often acts as a sponsor, providing equipment for free, under repair or training, and if someone has something they didn’t finish, specifically the S-400, it was not up to Vladimir Vuyachich to decide what was bad and what was good. Recently Russia donated a batch of T-72A and BTR-70 to Mongolia. You, Vladimir, write about this article about what you were deprived of. For you laughing
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 January 2016 16: 28
      -1
      And who will be the first to attack from NATO?
      1. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 23 January 2016 16: 40
        0
        Apparently, everything will start from Ukraine and Georgia. NATO has already stated that the Black Sea region is important for them, they want to create a flotilla there (they have a decent amount of sea-based missile defense systems, we need to come closer). In Ukraine and, apparently, Georgia will have to embed them. This year, a decent amount of them should get into the teachings here and there. In Ukraine, already about missile defense with NATO NATO sharpened.
      2. exalibor
        exalibor 23 January 2016 16: 42
        +1
        Turkey .. she already attacked ...
        1. DobryAAH
          DobryAAH 23 January 2016 16: 51
          0
          Darling, the time has not come yet. Wait, there will be neither Turkey nor NATO. Russia will be in unquestioned authority. I suggest that all defectors to the West think about how long their Lafa will not last.
          1. exalibor
            exalibor 23 January 2016 17: 47
            +2
            God forbid !!!! would have lived up to that time, otherwise they already got the small fry different on us)))
      3. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 24 January 2016 05: 13
        +1
        Dear, Vadim. Of course, everyone understands perfectly well that we inherited one magic thing from the USSR. This is a "nuclear sword". It was not cut or sold, but on the contrary (our Russian knight is holding his kladenets in his right hand on the ground, in the skies and at sea) But in the left there should be a strong scarlet shield - this is our own Red Army (... tanks, infantry, artillery fire ... (c)). Yes, at the present time, a direct armed clash with NATO divisions seems to be out of the realm of fantasy. suddennessthat the attacker feels safe until the last moment. Remember how swiftly and unexpectedly we returned Crimea! Not a single political scientist and analyst on the eve of this operation and a word hinted that such a "Victoria" would be done by our little men with machine guns and human beings with large epaulettes and with academic badges on their uniforms. The enemy is no more stupid than us. It is foolish to think that it is more stupid. To think so is to give him a head start. In a month, six months, a year - what will be the situation inside the country, how many rubles will we pay for a buck, how many rubles for a loaf? No one knows how the situation will develop on our western border. What if the Albanians, together with IS troops, will attack the Serbs and there will the massacre begin? How to pacify the shaitans ..? The blockade of Transnistria by land and by air, and then an attack on the peacekeepers according to the Georgian scenario; the White Poles arrange a provocation on the Russian-Polish border. The Polish tank battalion with motorized infantry wedges into 5 km of the Kaliningrad defensive region. And to bring up the artillery to the border. Fantastic, tell me! By no means, the European Union just collapsed and NATO got rid of the Youngonatos (though it left military bases). It all started with Germany. The migrants got them, the people took to the streets. Merkel ordered to open fire on the demonstrators, but the police supported the protesters. And then Poroshenko drove his soldiers into battle, Tajikistan burst into flames, during the joint Azerbaijani_Turkish exercises, from the Karabakh border between the Turkish infantry and the Armenian border guards, a firefight ensues and develops into an oncoming battle. Japanese boat suffers a disaster in the Kuril region. A Japanese rescuer and 2 helicopter carriers with a landing force and light artillery on board come to the rescue. A series of strange man-made catastrophes of a major In Moscow, a football fan is killed and pogroms begin, and in the first ranks there are nationalists and they put forward political demands, And all these events take place discretely throughout the week. Maybe I'm exaggerating? May God grant that the western border be quiet. In all other directions. this silence sounded louder and shrill for those who in Europe and the Americas conjure over headquarters maps on the western border, now 3 new divisions will stand up so that there are no surprises. That will be all peace and happiness smile
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 23 January 2016 14: 16
    +6
    Again about Belarus, yesterday the pollsite as a sabak was split between us !!! Do we have an agreement on friendship and cooperation with Belarusians? If yes, then it’s good, but if not, then we urgently need to conclude on mutually beneficial terms. And according to Lukashenko, Belarusians themselves can get angry with him, is he needed or not, and we will restore order at home ???
  • alone
    alone 23 January 2016 14: 19
    0
    Well done Lukashenko! Manipulates the situation))) Although the former chairman of the collective farm, he turned out to be brilliant as a politician))) He knows how to milk finances)))
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 23 January 2016 14: 23
    +1
    As I understand it, they want to turn Belarus into Ukraine? It will not work, there are few Jews! bully
    1. Glory_box
      Glory_box 23 January 2016 14: 42
      +3
      They are enough everywhere lol
    2. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 23 January 2016 14: 48
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      As I understand it, they want to turn Belarus into Ukraine? It will not work, there are few Jews! bully


      But there the national liberals raise their heads. And Poland is very close. Front-line :)
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 23 January 2016 14: 56
        +5
        Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
        Quote: MIKHAN
        As I understand it, they want to turn Belarus into Ukraine? It will not work, there are few Jews! bully


        But there the national liberals raise their heads. And Poland is very close. Front-line :)

        Poland is the age-old enemy of Russia (the Germans are pushing them ... the Germans, the British ... the British, "unclear citizens" ... That's how we live! wink
      2. Theline
        Theline 23 January 2016 15: 09
        +1
        Well yes. In your Russia, you know better than us who are raising our heads.
    3. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 23 January 2016 14: 50
      +6
      Israel withdrew the embassy from Belarus. A popular sign: a crapher is planned.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 23 January 2016 15: 03
        0
        Do not even hope. A visa-free regime has been established between the countries. This is not a demarche, and certainly not fear of mass riots and fear for the lives of diplomats. Elementary savings. In Philadelphia, they closed the consulate on the same day (and in three other places). Philadelphia's "Orange Revolution"? laughing
      2. Altona
        Altona 23 January 2016 15: 16
        +2
        Quote: Good AAAH
        Rail brought the embassy from Belarus. A popular sign: a crapher is planned.

        --------------------
        There is no demand for visas, the Embassy is unprofitable, that's all. Why keep it? Also, many European powers withdrew embassies from the Baltic countries. It makes no sense to keep an embassy in the "villages" of Europe, they do not need visas.
        1. DobryAAH
          DobryAAH 23 January 2016 15: 29
          0
          Stormbreaker (3) RU Today, 15: 03 ↑

          Do not even hope. A visa-free regime has been established between countries.

          Altona (2) RU Today, 15:16 PM ↑ New

          Quote: Good AAAH
          Rail brought the embassy from Belarus. A popular sign: a crapher is planned.

          --------------------
          There is no demand for visas, the Embassy is unprofitable, that's all. Why keep it? Also, many European powers withdrew embassies from the Baltic countries. It makes no sense to keep an embassy in the "villages" of Europe, they do not need visas.

          Let's wait a bit, friends. Von Fedorova looked: about the partisans, the massacre in Moscow and Stirlitz, his soul became anxious. He says: "This year the staff will break us, they can hang him." By the way, he raised his hands for some reason in the video ?
      3. combat66
        combat66 23 January 2016 15: 55
        +2
        Smiled! laughing In this vein, I did not even think about a schucher.
        Yes, everything is trite, just canceled visas .... I don’t want to fly! wink
      4. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 23 January 2016 15: 56
        +4
        Quote: Good AAAH
        Israel withdrew the embassy from Belarus. A popular sign: a crapher is planned.

        In vain you wrote it ... After all, they will run from Kiev ..!
        Quote: TheLine
        Well yes. In your Russia, you know better than us who are raising our heads.

        You know better, you're right ... (no offense)! bully
        They are at all times on top ...
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  • shura7782
    shura7782 23 January 2016 14: 54
    0
    There are no problems between the Defense Ministry of Russia and Belarus, everything is being solved. Nothing unusual is seen in Lukashenko’s behavior. I would like such people of such a warehouse as he to see in our government.
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 23 January 2016 15: 19
      +5
      In that case, I would like to see Putin here.
      1. voronbel53
        voronbel53 23 January 2016 16: 37
        +1
        Why doesn’t any one, damn it, want Obama ?, and his term will soon end ...
        1. BaLaLaykin
          BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 16: 39
          +1
          He has already staked out a place in Ukraine, will be the governor of the Lviv region wink
    2. exalibor
      exalibor 23 January 2016 16: 45
      +2
      that he would have served you 25 terms in the presidential chair?))))
      1. shura7782
        shura7782 23 January 2016 17: 14
        +2
        Quote: exalibor
        that he would have served you 25 terms in the presidential chair?))))

        Read carefully. In the government, not the president, 25 terms.
        1. exalibor
          exalibor 23 January 2016 17: 49
          +2
          )))) now read the history carefully, he, too, was first noted in the government and parliament, but now where?)))
  • Altona
    Altona 23 January 2016 15: 14
    +5
    The article is alarmist. Nobody will abandon But Father, Belarus is our last operational ledge, adjacent to Russia proper. Kaliningrad is an enclave, a bridgehead isolated from "mainland" Russia. And the fact that there is an S-400 or not is not important yet, the complexes are mobile and can be deployed within XNUMX hours (see Syria) ...
    1. There are a lot of us
      There are a lot of us 23 January 2016 15: 48
      +3
      No one will announce their intention to attack you in a day ...
    2. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 16: 59
      +1
      Dear Eugene, it’s probably more correct to say: Russia will save the whole people of Belarus than the president, otherwise one president is already sitting in Rostov, Vitya Rostovsky hi
    3. Vladimir 23rus
      Vladimir 23rus 23 January 2016 21: 59
      +1
      Nobody will throw any father
      The bad thing is that he is following the path of Yanukovych (both ours and yours), but Father does not know where the end of this path is. Yanukovych, I’m sure, too, thought that he had everything under control, but how did it end?
  • Belarus
    Belarus 23 January 2016 15: 18
    10
    Everything is correctly noted in this article in the sense that the Russian Federation should clearly determine what is more important for it. But the Republic of Belarus should also clearly state its position in terms of with whom is she with Russia or with NATO?
    And it turns out that the Russian Federation will deliver (at low prices and for a loan from the Russian Federation) the S-400 and the Russian Federation will say later: thank you for being with us and bye to the west.
    The whole problem with the supply of S-400, in my opinion, lies precisely in the position of the country's leadership on the "back and forth" type or who will give more money.In addition, the question of the opening of a base in the Baranavichy of the Russian Aerospace Forces hung in the air. Or rather, the Russian Federation was refused to open a base of the Russian Aerospace Forces.
    AHL said that we don’t need a base, but we need new planes that RB plans to buy attention until 2020.
    So everything is sad, if God forbid something happens, then we will again have to ask for help from the Russian Federation and remember that we are members of the Collective Security Treaty Organization and together we fought in the Second World War and so on. http://warfiles.ru/show-106277-kogda-vzorvetsya-belarus.html
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 23 January 2016 16: 07
      +3
      But the Nazis are wrong everywhere. Just Western sixes, with slogans on their lips. How can the Nazis be friends with the "main world democrats"? The guys are sitting on the heads, Lukashenka clicks. I have already said that in Russia we need to create many sawmills in the taiga, we need workers.
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    3. shura7782
      shura7782 23 January 2016 16: 12
      0
      Belarus (6) • Where did you get the idea that someone raised the question besides the author. If Russia does not give us (RB) new weapons then it will give us NATO. What are these veiled phrases for. I repeat once again - there is no such problem. The bases of the Russian Federation will be in Belarus and not only in designated places. And the corresponding armament will be in the Republic of Belarus. If, of course, you want to urgently put C 400 in each yard, then you can argue about such expediency.
      1. Belarus
        Belarus 23 January 2016 19: 07
        0
        I do not agree that NATO will give weapons to Belarus; I fundamentally disagree. Many weapons NEW NATO gave any member of the alliance ???????? The maximum that will be (if you already take this option), then completely transfer to NATO standards all the country's armed forces at their own expense.
        What is specific about the fact that we will have bases of the Russian Federation and that we will have the appropriate weapons - when ???????????????? At the last moment? See that it is not late, yeah.
        1. BaLaLaykin
          BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 19: 21
          -1
          So your president refused the Russian bases, said no need
        2. shura7782
          shura7782 23 January 2016 23: 54
          0
          Specifically, when they open and when delivering I can not answer.

          At the last moment? See that it is not too late, huh. [/ Quote]
          Do not turn up. They are waiting for when everything collapses and we bite together.
    4. onix757
      onix757 23 January 2016 19: 32
      +1
      Quote: Belarus
      But should Belarus also clearly state its position in terms of with whom is it with Russia or with NATO?

      Lukashenko has repeatedly spoken about this. Belarus along with Russia as part of a common defense alliance.
  • There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us 23 January 2016 15: 46
    +2
    And what does the dad’s focus with the air base not count? It is still unknown where his collective-farm fantasy will lead.
  • SAM 5
    SAM 5 23 January 2016 15: 47
    +1
    Surprised. nothing has caused such controversy as relations between Russia and Belarus. Not Ukraine, not Syria. And whatever you say, our roots are one. Therefore, "one must live by a lie" (Solzhenitsyn).
  • Lysik001
    Lysik001 23 January 2016 15: 49
    0
    In Minsk, too, they behave as forgive ... God. That will be the Russian air base then not. They want to sit on two chairs. Both ours and yours. Therefore, it turns out that way. Stars will be received in splendid isolation. And maybe rightly so.
  • njvlin
    njvlin 23 January 2016 15: 57
    +3
    For national traitors and liberal traitors such as CHUBAIS, KUDRIN, the rulers of the Kremlin principality and others like them, people and friends are not needed. It is more important for them to sell and screw up all the property of Russia as quickly as possible. Moreover, they and for the government "writes" programs The Higher School of Economics, which at one time was created by the Eltsyn team for budget money. What do they teach there? Yes, the main thing is to get into any government structure, then quietly saw budget money, and then just plunder it. THIS IS THE WHOLE KUDRINO-YASINSKAYA program. Remember the anecdote written by Pugacheva during the USSR: "Who is Brezhnev? This is a petty politician in the times of Pugacheva." Where and who is this tavern singer now? -It is not necessary to explain. It is better to remember the anecdote, again from the times of the USSR: "Brezhnev, before his death, asked to put him face down in a coffin. They ask him why Leonid Ilyich. And this is so that after a certain time, when they will dig me out , it was more convenient to kiss me in the ass !!! "And in fact, the article-Krylov and Machiavelli for us all said:" There is nothing to blame the mirror, if the face is crooked "and" Any political situation is determined by FACTS, not means. "
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 23 January 2016 16: 25
      +4
      , Rulers of the Kremlin principality and others like them

      And what are all the traitors right? And who took the Crimea, does Donbass help? Everything is much more complicated, we can only guess. Putin will start a serious war with the West, no later than 25 years will end. You see how the West is nervous, rushes phrases against us and moves weapons? Somewhere pinned him down upon the dandies.
      1. SAM 5
        SAM 5 23 January 2016 16: 50
        +1
        It is time to introduce a serious war with us, against all our met.udak.
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  • combat66
    combat66 23 January 2016 16: 14
    11
    Not everything goes smoothly even in internal Russian relations, but you want to immediately take vows of love and fidelity from an independent state. winked I really still can't really understand from whom and from what we are independent. The language is one, we have only MOV on TV and you will hear from the "especially gifted" ones. The mentality is similar, catch someone with your shoulder, so instead of apologizing, you can fly to the scoreboard (all evil). There is no money, but, all with wheels and every Saturday departure to mother-in-law for lard in the estates. We are Kurkuli.
    Here are just talk about who is feeding whom, this is superfluous, hopeless. A lot in economics and politics is not transparent, but necessary. It is also not worth going over to the personalities of presidents. Even taking into account the fact that we ourselves are not delighted with our "daragog", but the dirt it pours out on everyone, it's a shame.
    No need to hang up labels, you and I have not much left! The middle one glanced up.
    So, everything will be fine, we won’t go anywhere from each other. With respect. hi
    1. Petrof
      Petrof 23 January 2016 16: 46
      +2
      Quote: combat66
      and you want vows of love and fidelity right away


      but I would like normal capitalist relations between countries
      and let the husband and wife exchange vows of love of fidelity
      everything else - vanity of vanities and languor of spirit (to put it mildly)
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 23 January 2016 16: 16
    +3
    Brace yourself, men, it's not time to squabble. They push our foreheads together and pour bile over us. We must firmly understand that the Slavs are united, and the rest have always been reasoned with and tamed. Those who did not tame were sent to the "EU" ...
    1. Petrof
      Petrof 23 January 2016 16: 41
      +3
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      Slavs are united -



      what did Dostoevsky say about this - do not remember?
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 23 January 2016 17: 00
    +3
    Quote: Lalaika
    and this is probably photoshop

    not ... but what did you want? What would politicians in the negotiations beat each other's faces while calling abusively? As in for example wassat laughing
    1. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 17: 03
      +2
      Why in parliament? Our president is an example of this. good
    2. sleeping sayan
      sleeping sayan 23 January 2016 17: 09
      +1
      Not only in Rade.Zhirinovsky aged, and so, throw him 20 years (twenty).
      1. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 23 January 2016 17: 45
        +1
        Not only in Rade.Zhirinovsky aged, and so, throw him 20 years (twenty).

        Yeah, and send to the debate with Poroshenko in neutral territory. An exciting sight would be.
      2. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 23 January 2016 17: 45
        0
        Not only in Rade.Zhirinovsky aged, and so, throw him 20 years (twenty).

        Yeah, and send to the debate with Poroshenko in neutral territory. An exciting sight would be.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 23 January 2016 17: 20
    +4
    Quote: cniza
    Nothing when baked everything will fall into place while the local auction. Belarusians and I have always been together and will be.


    Nuland has already gone to bake cookies
  • Olezhek
    Olezhek 23 January 2016 17: 36
    +8
    Minsk against NATO: is it more important for Moscow, a business plan or an ally?
    However, China became the first recipient of C-400. Moreover, Belarus will not become the second buyer - the 10 divisions of the newest complex will go to India.
    It turned out that in this case, for the Kremlin, money was more important than strategic partnership and assistance to the only ally covering the western direction!


    Of course, a wonderful article, probably from some kind of parallel reality, the author writes.
    You see in what it is - it is not enough to consider yourself an ally of Russia, it is important that Russia also considers you an ally.
    And it’s not emotions that decide. From Belarus, quite definite foreign policy decisions were required. And every time Alexander Lukashenko gladly showed Moscow the "goat".
    Just before shouting about alliance, it's a good idea to find out: does Minsk consider Russia to be an ally?
    Alas, after Abkhazia and the Crimea it is not.
    So periodically burst in with a cry "We are allies - give me money!"
    Or "We are allies - give air defense systems !!" - not entirely correct.

    Sorry if cho not.

    PS At least the head of the PRC NEVER not rude to Putin and did not insult Russia.
    So it goes.
    1. exalibor
      exalibor 23 January 2016 17: 51
      0
      Quote: Olezhek
      Threat At least the head of the PRC has never rude Putin and did not insult Russia.
      So it goes.

      why insult ... they just quietly take out the forest from the Far East and populate it ... why swear)))
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 17: 56
        +1
        the Chinese have already registered you in Belarus http://newsby.org/novosti/2014/01/28/text2394.htm
      2. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 23 January 2016 18: 10
        +1
        why insult ... they just quietly take out the forest from the Far East and populate it ... why swear)))

        Well, here you are using Russia as a buffer and no material gratitude.
        So do you good ...
      3. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 23 January 2016 21: 06
        0
        Forget this bike already. I declare responsibly that as a representative of Siberia, most of the Chinese who arrived in the 90s (there were many) went home. And now they can be found only in the clothing market (less than there will be representatives of Central Asia), and at construction sites.
    2. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 23 January 2016 17: 53
      0
      But on "Nedimon and Co." the Chinese walked great good
    3. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 23 January 2016 18: 40
      +5
      Quote: Olezhek
      So it goes.

      I didn’t want to get involved in the discussion, I wrote a lot about the Old Man policy earlier, in my previous comments, who wants to, go to my profile, see the comments, I don’t want to repeat why to write the same thing, many new colleagues come to the site and write the same thing tiring, and not interesting. Let new visitors find out who the Old Man is a true friend of Russia, or a crook who is ready to betray everyone and everything in order to maintain his power.
      I’ll just tell you about the last telephone conversation with my former colleague - the deputy for MTO, after dismissal from the army he muddied up small business, there is no buy-sell, but he opened a photo salon where he photographed people for documents, children, girls, weddings, worked as short as he could . In the fat years of the Belarusian economic miracle, when oil was expensive and Belarus could develop on Russian loans, grants and preferences, he laughed at how cleverly you did the Russian Old Man, promised everything for his beloved, but in fact hell, only words. But gradually, he began to sing completely different songs, we got tired of the Old Man, as much as possible, here the last time the Old Man went to Moscow, but didn’t bring the money, didn’t give it, and the IMF also requires reforms, otherwise we won’t give the money, and our economy will He can’t work for another, he needs constant loans, and our beggar isn’t being taken to the court, even friend Aliyev does not help out as before. It’s you who are the Russians to blame for everything that the Old Man was supported, but he did not develop the economy, didn’t carry out the reforms, and for your Russian money he stayed in power and frightened us that he won’t be there, the Russian oligarchs will come and buy all our tidbits, here we voted for him, as if it was impossible to pick out among us a pro-Russian president who would always support Russia and protect our Belarusian interests. And now, in general, it has become impossible to work since the new year, he has leveled us up - IP to enterprises, the salon had to be closed, the Old Man needs to be changed-Russia help, or else the Maidan will happen, we don’t want, but suddenly pay.
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 23 January 2016 17: 42
    0
    Do not worry ! Nobody will leave the brothers of Belarusians in trouble (if it happens!). In addition to the West, we have one more common misfortune - the liberals and the "elite", which must be "put in place" for a long time.
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  • pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 23 January 2016 18: 06
    0
    Yes, I almost forgot - Belarusian wheels for the Russian army and two Russian military bases, for which Russia does not pay. [/ quote]
    The complex delivered to Syria is equipped with self-propelled launchers (SPU) on the Minsk special wheeled chassis MAZ-543M (MAZ / MZKT-7310), similar to those used in the S-300. But where, they say, towed SPU based on modern chassis BAZ-64022 of the Bryansk Automobile Plant?
    However, this surprise is completely in vain: the Triumph complex is capable of using several types of missiles - both those included in the S-300PMU-1 and S-300PMU-2 (48N6E3, 48N6E2, 48N6E, 9M96E2 and 9M96E), and specially designed for C -400 (40H6E super long range).

    Therefore, the S-400 SAM launchers - 5P85SE2 / 3 (self-propelled), 5P85TE2 / 3 (towed) - are modifications of the control systems used in the S-300PM, S-300PMU-1, S-300PMU2 “Favorite”. The military explains the use of both types of SPU by the fact that towed is simpler and cheaper (an important thing for export deliveries).

    We also note that for the new 40N6E missiles (as well as 9M96E2 and 9M96E), a special SPU 51P6E based on the chassis of the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant (MZKT) MZKT-7930 was developed.

    It seems that the choice for the transfer to Syria of a self-propelled SPU based on the MAZ-543M / MZKT-7310 (formulas 8x8) is explained by its shorter length compared to the five-axis SPU based on the BAZ-6422 and the semitrailer. What is important for a more rational use of the cargo compartment space of the An-124 transporter. And loading into a plane a shorter self-propelled SPU with two steered axles is much simpler than towed.

    Talk about the obsolescence of the MAZ-543M / MZKT-7310 chassis is groundless. The vehicles of this family are not inferior to caterpillars in cross-country ability and can successfully perform combat missions in the most difficult off-road conditions. Numerous tests and actual operation in various climatic and road conditions have shown excellent dynamic qualities and high reliability of the “Hurricanes” (these drivers got such a nickname).
  • RomanS
    RomanS 23 January 2016 18: 10
    +2
    Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are also the last frontier of defense against an external enemy! (which in translation means: give me money!)
  • The legacy of ancestors
    The legacy of ancestors 23 January 2016 18: 10
    +5
    Quote: dr. sem
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Stop dad spread rot!

    He spread rot himself. It sways like a certain flower in the hole - and ours. and yours. One already hesitated, now lives in Rostov.

    And independence is dear to him. The old man does not want to put his homeland under the Moscow thieves' oligarchy, that's all.


    Right. He prefers to rob and spread rot of the people.
  • evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 23 January 2016 18: 11
    +1
    Another provocateur on VO? And how did Russia relate to the fact that it would seem that the resolved issue of deploying an air base on the territory of the Republic of Belarus was wrapped up ...
    1. Amatar
      Amatar 25 January 2016 10: 44
      0
      By whom and where is it decided? And I am Belarus, against your base. FOR THE UNION - Yes. Cover you from the west - yes. But his army, his planes. You think that we have few planes - give, help. No - let's get by with what we have. And if you plan to get involved in any thread from the territory of the Republic of Belarus so that they kick at us, then we don’t need, we don’t want to.
  • DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 23 January 2016 18: 27
    +3
    My opinion, Belarusians can give money. Become Russia, get normal financing and a huge sales market. Only without any tricks, outragers will go to the Far East, to dilute the Chinese.
    1. onix757
      onix757 23 January 2016 19: 28
      +1
      Quote: Good AAAH
      Become Russia, get normal financing and a huge sales market.

      Russia?!? Yes, they will not see this in a terrible dream)
      Our bourgeoisie will buy from Belarus anyway, because there is none of their own and nowhere to go
  • onix757
    onix757 23 January 2016 19: 26
    -1
    Old Man in an unenviable situation, the bourgeoisie crush the blue-eyed from all sides. I believe that he will stand, because behind him is the real support of the people.
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  • Mentor
    Mentor 23 January 2016 20: 32
    +6
    Rubon, I'm not shy about my passport. The words on it are different, of course, but to you (with the American flag) we are definitely not allies. I put a minus to you.
    PS It's a pity, of course, but according to most commentators, Russia does not need allies. We need vassal states, which can be reproached with alliance at every convenient and inconvenient occasion. "I give those oil and gas! I support you, and I have never even conquered you! And you !! ungrateful !!!"
    1. onix757
      onix757 23 January 2016 20: 49
      +1
      Quote: Mentor
      PS It's a pity, of course, but according to most commentators, Russia does not need allies. We need vassal states, which can be reproached with alliance at every convenient and inconvenient case.

      Don't take it seriously. The websites now have terrible propaganda, and therefore the "majority" is not created by the majority.
    2. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 23 January 2016 20: 58
      +4
      Alexander, vassal states, you say? Yes, they are not needed. Enough of all this as part of the USSR. When many republics arose on the lands of Russia, they lived better than the RSFSR; at its expense, as it turned out, they watered shit. Say, they feed the whole Union. This is Georgia, and Ukraine, and the Baltic states, and Moldova. Time passed, everyone was divided. And what is the result? Give me money again?
      We need normal interstate relations. Without blackmail, extortion and without bad loans. Can't live independently, beyond your means? Then there is nothing to cry for independence.
      As in young families, with problems they run to their parents. We’ll shelter everyone, just don’t spit in the well ...
      1. onix757
        onix757 23 January 2016 21: 03
        +3
        Quote: Reserve officer
        When all the republics lived better than the RSFSR, and watered it with shit. Say, they feed the whole Union. This is Georgia, and Ukraine, and the whole Baltic. Time passed, everyone was divided. And what is the result?

        As a result, after the "de-occupation" of the RSFSR, there were practically no villages left in central Russia, and those that remained are steadily approaching the "standards" of the 19th century.
        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 23 January 2016 21: 06
          +2
          Central Russia has always lived in poverty, and not only after the collapse of the USSR. The brothers needed to be fed, and we really somehow ...
          1. onix757
            onix757 23 January 2016 21: 14
            +1
            Quote: Reserve officer
            Central Russia has always lived in poverty, and not only after the collapse of the USSR. Brothers needed to be fed

            What prevented 25 years of getting out of poverty? It seems that for 25 years the elite has independently built new happiness through the sale of the public domain. Where is the money?
            1. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 23 January 2016 21: 23
              +1
              And this is another topic. You can search for money from all sorts of Prokhorovs, Deripasoks, Abramovichs, Luzhkovs with their Baturins, etc. Times are changing, but the robbery of Russia remains. And interstate relations with the ex-republics of the USSR have nothing to do with it.
              1. onix757
                onix757 23 January 2016 21: 33
                +1
                And this is another topic. You can search for money from all sorts of Prokhorovs, Deripasoks, Abramovichs, Luzhkovs with their Baturins, etc.

                The problem is that the gentlemen will not search, but rather they will shake out the last one from the people's pocket and, again, for themselves loved ones.
                Times are changing, but the robbery of Russia remains.

                Nobody robbed me in the Union.
                And interstate relations with the ex-republics of the USSR have nothing to do with it.

                What does it have to do with it? If the state of the Russian Federation has nothing to offer to its only ally other than blackmail with energy resources, then sooner or later they turn away from such "friends."
                1. Reserve officer
                  Reserve officer 23 January 2016 21: 49
                  +5
                  I feel you are in a mood today to argue.
                  The blackmail turns out to be just in Russia, they say, either I will be your ally, or not. And he, such an ally, is needed at all? You yourself know very well that our country is able to stand up for itself if something happens. And the allies, basically, adjoin, hoping to snatch something for themselves.
                  I already wrote here that I do not see any difference between the Russian and Belarusian people, and in the event of a serious conflict, aggression against Belarus will not remain unanswered. But I strongly doubt the support from the OKDB allies.
                  Something no one blundered about the Turkish adventure in the air over Syria. What can we say about military conflicts ...
                  1. onix757
                    onix757 23 January 2016 22: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: Reserve officer
                    The blackmail turns out to be just in Russia, they say, either I will be your ally, or not.

                    Not true. Where did Lukashenko say one hundred refuses a defensive alliance with the Russian Federation?
                    Quote: Reserve officer
                    And he, such an ally, is needed at all?

                    In terms of security, Belarus needs Russia more than vice versa, but the problem is that our elite does not tolerate equal relations, it must be subordinated to it without disdaining anything.
                    And the allies, basically, adjoin, hoping to snatch something for themselves.

                    They built capitalism, now do not blame me. Between the countries there is no ideological basis for economic integration. And what's more, our mess is simply repulsive.
                    Quote: Reserve officer
                    I already wrote here that I see no difference between the Russian and Belarusian people, and in the event of a serious conflict, aggression against Belarus will not remain unanswered.

                    A good idea, I am sure Belarus will do the same.
            2. BaLaLaykin
              BaLaLaykin 24 January 2016 00: 25
              0
              Two wars, one in a neighboring state (Ossetia and Abkhazia), support for the people of LDNR and Syria, and how did you help Russia? Besides circumventing our sanctions, pulling money? NOTHING !!!
      2. Mentor
        Mentor 23 January 2016 22: 29
        +5
        Belarus also gave money for the maintenance of these republics. But that’s not the point. Of course, I apologize for the harsh words, but for a long time on the site, sharply negative articles about Belarus prevail. Moreover, the authors do not hesitate to use ultra-oppositional sites as a source of information (as my friend says, sites dominated by "policemen's grandchildren"). Recently, the wildest material about my city appeared on Politika. I specially checked it through my acquaintances, nonsense, forgive me for the harsh tone.
        1. regsSSSR
          regsSSSR 23 January 2016 23: 20
          +2
          Mentor
          Recently on "Politics" the wildest material about my city slipped through. I specially checked it through my acquaintances, nonsense, forgive me for the harsh tone.


          normal tone! believe here such sharks are swimming)) that no nerves will suffice before each apologize for intonation!

          here the same thing happened with the rifle! Nesmiyan wrote correctly (EL_MURID) - a couple of three of some worthless yellow statues - which a normal person will not even pay attention to! and without even trying to penetrate and analyze who wrote! what! and for what!
          and EVERYTHING! it started everything went crazy! and those who praised and admired two and three years ago, and Belarus and Lukasheko now began to blame it all with a vengeance! unconscious even what exactly this boat itself (so far quite stable) is shaking! it's honest some kind of requestmany never even traveled to Belarus - but such crap happens to be written about it, and besides, they who live here claim that this is so belay !!!
          1. ruskih
            ruskih 24 January 2016 01: 25
            +4
            Boys, it feels like March has come. And to explain and prove to proud running birds with red eyebrows is useless to not hear. And the songs are the same from comment to comment.
          2. BaLaLaykin
            BaLaLaykin 24 January 2016 01: 31
            -3
            You have not answered our camarade Minstrel, or is it easier to prove that everything is fine with someone who can’t check it?
  • The legacy of ancestors
    The legacy of ancestors 23 January 2016 20: 45
    0
    Quote: onix757
    Old Man in an unenviable situation, the bourgeoisie crush the blue-eyed from all sides. I believe that he will stand, because behind him is the real support of the people.


    Are you guided by the official results of "self-elections"? like 83% voted for him?
    Bu-ha-ha, the vote count was closed and all observers were driven from there, he only had real support for the cops and the army, the rest were against. Do not believe? Come to us and interview the people yourself.
    1. onix757
      onix757 23 January 2016 20: 46
      -3
      Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors
      Are you guided by the official results of "self-elections"? like 83% voted for him?

      You confuse with Russia lol
  • Jackking
    Jackking 23 January 2016 20: 48
    0
    I understand that when help is not provided for the father - you have to be an idiot to give money to a person who takes money with great pleasure, but does not plan any measures for rapprochement, but turns him backwards in front of the west ...
    1. onix757
      onix757 23 January 2016 20: 54
      -1
      Quote: Jackking
      you have to be an idiot to give money to a person who takes money with great pleasure, but doesn’t plan any measures for rapprochement, but turns him backwards in front of the west ...

      Are you talking about Iran or Egypt? Our elite has already sucked them in so much .. lol
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 24 January 2016 01: 38
        -3
        Your elite in a ravine horse eats up
  • The legacy of ancestors
    The legacy of ancestors 23 January 2016 21: 05
    +1
    Quote: onix757
    Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors
    Are you guided by the official results of "self-elections"? like 83% voted for him?

    You confuse with Russia lol


    Maybe. But here in Belarus it is still worse.
  • gallville
    gallville 23 January 2016 21: 18
    +3
    It seems that the time has come to think about whether there is any sense from such a strategic partnership and what dividends Belarus receives from such cooperation militarily.

    Somehow I can’t understand. Does Belarus pay money for s-400? Or are they participating in military operations with the Russian Federation? Recognize Abkhazia and Ossetia? CSTO is not even a block. So, such as the exchange of experience fixed on paper.
    And in terms of the economy - gas, a sales market for products, etc.
    By the way, s-400 and in the Russian Federation, not all air defense regiments are provided, is it still free to distribute them?
    On the part of modernization. So in Belarus they have production and suo for tanks (pine like them) and tank repair plants, and Kurganets and Boomerang can help to create and buy together (the Indians need to pay something for the development). So they wait until they develop it in the Russian Federation, and then they would transfer it for free. What is the logic?
    The same story with aviation. They ruined their planes - they spared money to see for repairs. Now they are buying a Yak machine, but it’s a good training one, but what is it worth fighting for?
    1. onix757
      onix757 23 January 2016 21: 43
      +1
      Quote: gallville
      Somehow I can’t understand. Does Belarus pay money for s-400? Or are they participating in military operations with the Russian Federation? Recognize Abkhazia and Ossetia? CSTO is not even a block. So, such as the exchange of experience fixed on paper.

      They do not block the sky to aeroflot, otherwise our bourgeoisie will have to fly to Europe via Magadan
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 24 January 2016 00: 28
        -4
        If our bourgeoisie fly through Magadan, all of Europe will kick Belarus for covering the sky with Russia
  • Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 23 January 2016 21: 52
    +2
    This was a kind of response to the decision of US Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter to place in Bulgaria, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Romania, Germany by 250 tanks, self-propelled howitzers, infantry fighting vehicles and other equipment
    This is that 1750 units. technology get ??? Besides what has already happened? This new "Drang nach Osten" does not even smell, but stinks. HERE not in "potential" opponents should be recorded.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 23 January 2016 23: 24
    +4
    Minsk against NATO: is it more important for Moscow, a business plan or an ally?
    The sacramental question is of course a business plan! wassat
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 23 January 2016 23: 32
      -3
      Quote: Radikal
      Sacramental question

      Have you read the article at least half?

      Or just overpowered the headline? wink
  • tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 24 January 2016 01: 26
    +4
    “Minsk versus NATO: what is more important for Moscow, a business plan or an ally?”

    More important is independent Minsk. Both from Russia and the EU (i.e. NATO!).
    It is enough that the Republic of Belarus and Russia are UNIONED states. Belarus, Ukraine, the three Baltic states we need most as a damper, as a layer between us and the EU. In this sense, the ideal is Finland, agree? For months, her name has not even been mentioned in military-political affairs. They are pulling into NATO - they don’t go! In World War II, it fought with everyone, both with us and for us - and remained on its own. They no longer try to push her.
    But with our former republics so far no ceremony! And Lukashenko is the only one of the leaders of these former western republics who is capable of real independence.
    On state loans of Belarus: the share of Russia in lending is about 50%. Half occupy with us. But the other half is not ours! What's so humiliating?
    And would the “Old Man” be one hundred percent pro-Russian - WOULD BE FULLY FOOD, and they would not demand a refund, would anyone really doubt it? To prove? Yanukovych was given 15 billion. He just managed to go through only the first tranche. But today we’ll not dare to demand 3 billion.
    And with a fully pro-Russian leader (no one would call a dad!) We would have stood with NATO and all “nose to nose”.
    “Old Man” maneuvers ”- they’ve found the crime! So in politics you have to maneuver. And the weaker the country, the less weight - the more you have to bend.
    Quote: regressSSSR
    for the order in the country! and thank God! and the country will never be brought to a situation like in Ukraine! neither NATO nor Maidan will be here! while he is in power!


    God grant that the next Old Man would be the same with them!
    RegresSSSR, plus!