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Thanks to the sanctions - goodbye, SWIFT! ..

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You do not get tired of repeating: thank you very much, you are our Western "partners" for your anti-Russian sanctions. After all, often you simply wonder how the sanctions packages, which must have been stretched over a head of a certain kind to Russian officials, forced these same officials to move and switch to relatively effective work. New day - new information about the movement of stakeholders. This time we are talking about big Russian business, which at one time was clearly frightened by the threats of Western "friends" willing to disconnect the Russian banking sector from the payment system Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications (SWIFT).


Thanks to the sanctions - goodbye, SWIFT! ..


To begin with, it is worth recalling that in 2014, the idea of ​​Western “partners” for bringing Russian banks outside of the SWIFT system, which is not only an international platform for making payments, but also an information exchange field, sounded as one of the components of the anti-Russian economic sanctions package. between different banks. In Brussels, where the main office of SWIFT is located, they said that disconnecting Russia from the system "would allow an irreparable blow to the Russian economy." If such a shutdown took place, the Russian economy would really be under serious blow. The banking sector, which recently turned out to be tied to SWIFT, could lose a lot, and such losses would lead to a whole series of irreversible consequences for all sectors of the economy of the Russian Federation without exception.

However, neither in 2014, nor in 2015 did they dare to disconnect Russia from the international system of interbank information exchange and payment transactions. Why? Yes, simply because by that time Russian banks had already entered the system of global economic activity, and such a shutdown would have hit a huge number of foreign banks and companies that cooperate with Russia in one way or another. Western “partners” did not beat on their own heads, but they gave Russian bankers a reason to reflect on the fact that the position of Russian banks in this very global system is very precarious. And it is shaky in the first place because Russia does not have its own (protected from the sanctions urges) platform for exchanging information between banks and making interbank payments of various kinds, including access to foreign financial organizations.

Now Bank of Russia (also known as the Central Bank) announces that in the 2015 year, the Russian equivalent of SWIFT, called the Financial Reporting Service (SPFS), has gained momentum. What revolutions are we talking about?

If you believe the statistics of the Central Bank, then before the start of 2015, the system actually worked in test mode. By January, 2015 had decided to connect to the SPFS near 90 banks, whose management decided that it would be better to find an alternative SWIFT option earlier than to face the actual blocking of financial transactions. According to the newspaper "News", referring to the same Central Bank of the Russian Federation, the number of banks that connected to the SPFS by January 2016 of the year reached the value in the 330 financial and credit organizations. This is about 46% of the total banking sector in Russia. The process of connecting Russian banks to the domestic alternative to SWIFT is actively continuing.

How serious is SPFS today an alternative to the international system? Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications? Of course, it’s still far from global scale, if only because SWIFT services more than 10 thousands of financial institutions around the world. The scale of SPFS is much more modest. But here you need to understand that the SWIFT system this year marks the 43 of the year, and the SPFS is at a very tender age. However, despite its infancy, the Russian financial messaging service has already achieved some success not only within Russia. Now there are intergovernmental contacts through the BRICS, which in a short time can lead to the release of the Russian SPFS to the global market.

At the same time, the emergence and development of the Russian SPFS sends, as they say, far and for a long time the American system of so-called monitoring of international financial activity. The point is that after the September 11 2001 attacks in the United States, American “special structures” gained access to all types of SWIFT activities under the pretext of tracking terrorist financing through various banks. It just so happened that the “special structures” stubbornly did not notice the financing of international terrorism by the States themselves, but on a permanent basis, people (most often foreign citizens) were caught in various countries of the world who could be accused of either corruption crimes or links to terrorists or in trade weapons. And it would be fine if such work was carried out within the framework of the rule of law, but often arrests were carried out in third countries by such methods, the most democratic of which was the bag method on the head and the subsequent transfer of the detainee to one of the special suits - often without trial or investigation .. .

Yes, disconnecting Russian banks from SWIFT would not paralyze the country's financial system completely (for example, Iran was under sanctions for a long time showed that, in principle, it is possible to live without SWIFT), but it would lead to a number of negative consequences, up to a serious difficulty financial calculations for large contracts (exaggerated: they would carry cash in bags ...). But when a country has both its own payment system and a financial messaging service, this is not just part of the guarantee of the banking sector, but also the state’s entry to a qualitatively new level in the service of individuals and legal entities. In the end, this is a new element in the foundation of the country's financial security.

It would not be superfluous to say once again: thanks for the sanctions, "partners"!
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  1. olhon
    olhon 20 January 2016 05: 57 New
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    Us .... and we grow stronger (old Soviet military saying)
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 20 January 2016 06: 33 New
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        you need to understand that each bank using "SWIFT" pays for it about 1.5 million times, but nevertheless. let's calculate how much Russia gives for nothing? How much does each of us pay America? VISA cards for everyone! and it means that each of us, with a percentage, supports America financially. how do you?
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 20 January 2016 06: 45 New
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          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          and it means that each of us, as a percentage, supports America financially. how do you like

          And banks also buy dollars, therefore they already support America :-) and also how, what is there some percentage
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 20 January 2016 15: 53 New
            0
            Quote: sa-ag
            And banks buy dollars,

            Moreover, the president is convinced that the collapse of the ruble and the exchange rate difference are an excellent occasion to take advantage of it, since "New business opportunities are opening up."

            Earlier it was reported that the dollar exchange rate in the course of trading exceeded 80 rubles, the euro approached 88 rubles.

            A meeting with a rating is getting closer ... more and more opportunities ..
        2. atalef
          atalef 20 January 2016 07: 00 New
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          Quote: Andrew Y.
          you need to understand that each bank using "SWIFT" pays for it about 1.5 million times, but nevertheless. let's calculate how much Russia gives for nothing? How much does each of us pay America? VISA cards for everyone! and it means that each of us, with a percentage, supports America financially. how do you?

          Hi Andrew.
          Of course, I’m not quite in the topic (I need to read), but it seems to me that the people are a bit of a substitute for concepts.
          There is no analogue of SWIFT in Russia.
          maybe it's an INTERNATIONAL transaction.
          SPFS - serves internal. , it can become a base for the development of VISA or Mastercard analogs.
          But replace SWIFT in international transactions? What is it like ? It is also necessary the other side to somehow persuade SPFS to use it, and even on an international scale, and taking into account the politicization of all Russian institutions and organizations, and the direct subordination of power (which tomorrow, if it so wishes, will cancel, restrict, verify, etc.) - it’s unlikely whether she is interested in someone over the hill (at the moment).
          \ So it seems to me.
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 20 January 2016 07: 39 New
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            it seems to me that people are a little substitute for concepts.
            There is no analogue of SWIFT in Russia.

            hi Sasha, it seems so to me too ... yes hi
          2. sir.jonn
            sir.jonn 20 January 2016 07: 47 New
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            you need to understand that each bank using "SWIFT" pays for it about 1.5 million times, but nevertheless. let's calculate how much Russia gives for nothing? How much does each of us pay America? VISA cards for everyone! and it means that each of us, with a percentage, supports America financially. how do you?

            Hi Andrew.
            Of course, I’m not quite in the topic (I need to read), but it seems to me that the people are a bit of a substitute for concepts.
            There is no analogue of SWIFT in Russia.
            maybe it's an INTERNATIONAL transaction.
            SPFS - serves internal. , it can become a base for the development of VISA or Mastercard analogs.
            But replace SWIFT in international transactions? What is it like ? It is also necessary the other side to somehow persuade SPFS to use it, and even on an international scale, and taking into account the politicization of all Russian institutions and organizations, and the direct subordination of power (which tomorrow, if it so wishes, will cancel, restrict, verify, etc.) - it’s unlikely whether she is interested in someone over the hill (at the moment).
            \ So it seems to me.

            Perhaps there are operations that are not convenient to carry out openly in front of the United States and their partners, here’s an excuse for using the SPF. The question is that our system will become a way of shadow capital turnover and, accordingly, will be meticulously studied, and also poured mud at all available opportunities. Although various offshore areas with dubious banking activities exist without any particular problems.
            1. Temples
              Temples 20 January 2016 08: 49 New
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              I'm certainly not quite in the subject ( need to read ), but it seems to me that people are a little substitute for concepts.
              There is no analogue of SWIFT in Russia.

              atalef, people will not replace the concept.
              The article is about internal transactions.
              And they talk about the desire to establish a system of interaction in the BRICS.
              And to read an article before writing comments is really worth it.
              1. atalef
                atalef 20 January 2016 09: 06 New
                -33
                Quote: Temples
                I'm certainly not quite in the subject ( need to read ), but it seems to me that people are a little substitute for concepts.
                There is no analogue of SWIFT in Russia.

                atalef, people will not replace the concept.
                The article is about internal transactions.
                And they talk about the desire to establish a system of interaction in the BRICS.
                And to read an article before writing comments is really worth it.

                Forget about Brix - it didn’t work and will not work at all
                Farther . What is the use of internal transactions?
                they never disturbed anyone at all. the conversation is about international. and here SWIFT rules and the presence of SPFS in no way affects this.
                1. user
                  user 20 January 2016 10: 36 New
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                  Forget about Brix - it didn’t work and will not work at all


                  Well, here you are not quite right, Brix is ​​the first attempt to jump off the Bretton Woods currency system. Moreover, it has not yet ended, but even if this attempt does not succeed in the form in which it was conceived or does not succeed at all, the transformation of the Bretton Woods currency system (and, in the future, its liquidation) is already underway, the first sign is the opening of the Asian Bank for Infrastructure Investment , the beginning of trade between countries in national currencies, the beginning of the sale of hydrocarbons on the stock exchange, for starters in St. Petersburg for rubles, but this is the basis of that system - the sale of oil only for dollars.
                  So everything goes and changes, and most importantly, nobody today can confidently say that it will turn out in the end, it’s good if we manage without a direct military conflict, because we are witnessing another reorganization of the world order.
                2. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 20 January 2016 11: 20 New
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                  Quote: atalef
                  Forget about Brix - it didn’t work at all and it won’t work. What is the use of internal transactions? They generally never bother anyone. the conversation is about international. and here SWIFT rules and the presence of SPFS in no way affects this.

                  Well, why did you categorically cut the BRICS)))
                  BRICS will not get anywhere, just like the Asian Investment Bank. That in one, that in another capital of 100 billion dollars. It’s just that the world was accustomed to the idea that there is no and cannot be an alternative to the IMF and WB. It can very well.
                  Everything has its time.
                3. Oleg14774
                  Oleg14774 20 January 2016 12: 29 New
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                  Quote: atalef
                  Forget about Brix - it didn’t work and will not work at all

                  Who told you that? Or they’ve dangled themselves.
                  Quote: atalef
                  Farther . What is the use of internal transactions?

                  And here, such stupidity, you should not even comment. This is a discharge, why the sky is blue or why the sun is shining. You at least did not disgrace such statements.
                  1. Baikal
                    Baikal 22 January 2016 09: 33 New
                    +1
                    atalef

                    Opa laughing As always, Izzy is indignant? laughing
                    Hush, Ezek, don’t cry, otherwise you'll be where the ball is))
                4. Idiot
                  Idiot 4 February 2016 20: 33 New
                  0
                  Alafetu: Read the article carefully. If we are disconnected from SWIFT, in order to at least serve the domestic market and not to carry money in bags. This is a necessary measure.
              2. ILYA M
                ILYA M 21 January 2016 15: 22 New
                +4
                In general, it is necessary to "Read" the parents, but the question should be "Study". Politicization and corruption among them is not less common than ours, and cuts in the defense industry, for example, ours never dreamed of.
            2. Oleg14774
              Oleg14774 20 January 2016 12: 26 New
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              Quote: sir.jonn
              Although various offshore areas with dubious banking activities exist without any particular problems.

              But just with the offshore companies that used SWIFT and there was no transparency. Now it will not be possible to get away from the tax office, since all the threads will be with Russian Finns. institutions. And note this is a 100% Russian system, even Sberbank and the Central Bank have foreign agents in their co-founders. Sberbank, for example, is 50% and the site does not even indicate exactly who.
          3. cap
            cap 20 January 2016 08: 52 New
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            Quote: atalef
            Of course, I’m not quite in the topic (I need to read), but it seems to me that the people are a bit of a substitute for concepts.
            There is no analogue of SWIFT in Russia.
            maybe it's an INTERNATIONAL transaction.
            SPFS - serves internal. , it can become a base for the development of VISA or Mastercard analogs.
            But replace SWIFT in international transactions? What is it like ?


            It’s enough to connect to any site included in SWIFT, for example, the Hong Kong Stock Exchange (to use it as a server, this is for calculating contracts in foreign currency) is a technical matter for the owners of SWIFT is not a gift. I read it myself but I can’t find the source now. The Russian map will work naturally inside the network. Part of the funds for transactions from a VISA operator, etc. will remain in Russia.
            1. atalef
              atalef 20 January 2016 09: 07 New
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              Quote: cap
              It is enough to connect to any site included in the SWIFT, for example, the Hong Kong Exchange (use as a server,) then it's a matter of technology.

              Yes ? And SPFS cannot be disconnected from a swift? belay
              1. Asadullah
                Asadullah 20 January 2016 19: 51 New
                +8
                Yes ? And SPFS cannot be disconnected from a swift?


                No, do not disconnect. For these are completely different protocols that will switch at least to the aforementioned SEHK. The latter will accumulate payments for a fraction of the small.
          4. engineer74
            engineer74 20 January 2016 09: 21 New
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            Quote: atalef

            ... and taking into account the politicized nature of all Russian institutions and organizations, and the direct subordination of power (which it will cancel, restrict, verify, etc. tomorrow, at will), it is unlikely that anyone will be interested in it over the hill (at the moment).
            \ So it seems to me.

            Have you confused anything about the "politicization of all institutions and organizations"? smile
            Due to the politicization of the Western banking system, a bunch of non-Western banks will use both systems in parallel! Moreover, there is a certain amount of banking operations that the United States cannot know about and Russia can!
            IMHO
          5. Tusv
            Tusv 20 January 2016 09: 39 New
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            Quote: atalef
            But replace SWIFT in international transactions? What is it like ? It is also necessary the other side to somehow persuade SPFS to use, and even on an international scale

            I do not see obstacles
            A money transaction is worth it. Turn on dumping. Well, there are still all sorts of different ways to exert gentle pressure on international transactions in Russia.
            The truth is still a long way off. Russian ROC RKO only came out of the nursery
          6. alstr
            alstr 20 January 2016 09: 56 New
            +8
            In fact, the telegraph has almost died, but it still works. And bank transfers go through it. Including international. Although not without problems.
          7. Sid.74
            Sid.74 20 January 2016 10: 16 New
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            Quote: atalef
            SPFS - serves internal. , it can become a base for the development of VISA or Mastercard analogs.

            Swift has nothing to do with the visa and mastercard. And the Russian analogue of the Visa payment system, called Mir, has already been launched.
            Two weeks before the new 2016 year. The early release of payment payment cards MIR began.
            15 December 2015 of the Year The National Payment Card System (NPCS) announced the launch of the release of the first World cards. The first banks issuing this card were Gazprombank, MDM Bank, RNKB, Bank Rossiya, Svyaz-Bank, MInB, SMP Bank. Another 21 bank will complete testing the World card by the end of 2015.

            Both "visa" and "master card" are payment systems for the end user.
            Swift is an international interbank data exchange system.
            But if it were turned off, domestic banking in Russia would be paralyzed.
            Therefore, in December 2014, the Bank of Russia began providing a service for the transfer of financial messages in SWIFT format for domestic operations.

            Since December, the Bank of Russia has provided credit organizations with a new service for transferring financial messages in the SWIFT format for domestic operations. Banks are connected to the service on the basis of agreements with the Bank of Russia.

            The new service is implemented in order to ensure uninterrupted and secure transmission of financial messages within the country and is the next step in the direction of improving the system of services provided by the Bank of Russia. The new service will allow credit organizations to send messages in SWIFT formats through the Bank of Russia in all regions of the country and without restrictions.

            And the Asian analogue SWIFT is still waiting for launch ... after which, the US hegemony in controlling financial flows will be completely undermined.
            And, soon enough, BRICS countries will be able to bargain on the interbank market in their own currencies. And this is another blow to the bucks.
          8. lex locis
            lex locis 20 January 2016 10: 36 New
            +9
            Quote: atalef
            But replace SWIFT in international transactions? What is it like ? It is also necessary the other side to somehow persuade SPFS to use it, and even on an international scale, and taking into account the politicization of all Russian institutions and organizations, and the direct subordination of power (which tomorrow, if it so wishes, will cancel, restrict, verify, etc.) - it’s unlikely whether she is interested in someone over the hill (at the moment).

            Chinese proverb - "the road of 1000 li begins with the first step ..."
            After all, they write that the SWIFT system is 43 years old, and the Russian one is just beginning. Over time, it may well become international (at least in the BRICS system), or somehow associated with SWIFT.
            That is why there is the development of any system (or dying).
          9. Altona
            Altona 20 January 2016 11: 35 New
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            But replace SWIFT in international transactions? What is it like ? It is also necessary the other side to somehow persuade SPFS to use, and even on an international scale

            --------------------
            China has, if they make their own alternative for the alternative world. In general, it is not sad. Moreover, the turnover of banks in China and India is probably comparable to the western one.
          10. Oleg14774
            Oleg14774 20 January 2016 12: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            There is no analogue of SWIFT in Russia.

            He just appeared in Russia, it is not yet abroad.
            Quote: atalef
            But replace SWIFT in international transactions?

            After all, it is said about the BRICS countries. And from myself I’ll add, I don’t go abroad, so somehow it’s on my drum. As for SWIFT, it was just designed to complicate our internal problems, but because it would also affect external relations between banks, then this decision was postponed, ilmenno postponed, and if ours hadn’t done anything, sooner or later (and war is all the same war) this decision would be implemented. Because damage is a lesser evil than defeating an opponent completely.
          11. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 20 January 2016 15: 57 New
            +4
            Sasha, hi! and for me so do not care about international transactions! the question of who will lose the most will rise to its full height, and I’m not sure that we will lose more. I can justify without having an economic education. What do you think, with such a development of events as disconnection from this system, how long will ours continue to supply gas and other things to Europe? because immediately the question of payments will arise, and what? ... what will carry their euros in suitcases? No. and one more thing: I was interested in the cards, well, these are all of the Visa type, so if only our analogue appears, I’m just sure that most non-visiting (and most of our country's population like that) will easily leave the Americans feeder.
          12. Felix
            Felix 20 January 2016 18: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            you need to understand that each bank using "SWIFT" pays for it about 1.5 million times, but nevertheless. let's calculate how much Russia gives for nothing? How much does each of us pay America? VISA cards for everyone! and it means that each of us, with a percentage, supports America financially. how do you?

            Hi Andrew.
            Of course, I’m not quite in the topic (I need to read), but it seems to me that the people are a bit of a substitute for concepts.
            There is no analogue of SWIFT in Russia.
            maybe it's an INTERNATIONAL transaction.
            SPFS - serves internal. , it can become a base for the development of VISA or Mastercard analogs.
            But replace SWIFT in international transactions? What is it like ? It is also necessary the other side to somehow persuade SPFS to use it, and even on an international scale, and taking into account the politicization of all Russian institutions and organizations, and the direct subordination of power (which tomorrow, if it so wishes, will cancel, restrict, verify, etc.) - it’s unlikely whether she is interested in someone over the hill (at the moment).
            \ So it seems to me.

            Right. but the fact is that internal interbank transactions are made using this system. The article, however, has not yet indicated that Russia and the CIS countries have their own system called "Telex", old, slow, but not killed but mothballed. The SPFS, on the other hand, has all the rights to life - it is newer and more playful, but if SWIFT is blocked, somewhere in China they will create (if they have not already created!) A bank - a layer that will be a gateway between the two systems, and through which international operations Russian banks.
          13. svd-xnumx
            svd-xnumx 20 January 2016 18: 46 New
            +2
            There is no analogue of SWIFT in Russia.
            maybe it's an INTERNATIONAL transaction.
            SPFS - serves internal. , it can become a base for the development of VISA or Mastercard analogs.
            But replace SWIFT in international transactions? What is it like ?
            By and large, it is the provision of internal transfers that is the purpose of the new system, because if it comes to blocking SWIFT for Russian banks (and this will be done, in analogy with Iran, along with freezing accounts) then international transfers will not be of interest to them
          14. Asadullah
            Asadullah 20 January 2016 19: 46 New
            +5
            and taking into account the politicization of all the institutions and organizations of Russia, and the direct subordination of power (which tomorrow it will cancel, restrict, verify, etc., at will), it’s unlikely that anyone will be interested in it over the hill (at the moment)


            Hello dear! The fact is that all Western banking systems are subordinate to the American judicial system, which will arrest any assets in any part of the world, with the exception of countries familiar to us, including the one that is "politicized." Although in reality, I don't see this "politicization". After all, banks are not required to become all staff members of Edra, or to profess communism, or to fight for the Russian world, Russian banks, unfortunately, mostly, these are the desks of usurers on an especially large scale, who are sometimes directly interested in bankruptcy of clients (and much more) ... That is why they maneuver between the Criminal Code and the Ministry of Finance, like fish-sticking under the belly of a predator. In the Western world, in particular in the United States, such banks, with their entire leadership, would already be running three-digit terms in various buildings that have problems with exit. Precisely because their activities are strictly limited and just as rigidly subordinated to the fiscal structures of the state. On the other hand, it constrains business activity, and the emergence of an alternative to SWIFT will certainly interest third countries primarily for trade with the Russian Federation. Another question is that from the State Department subordinate banks may receive a command prohibiting the use of an alternative settlement system. This will mean the prosperity of buffer banks located in the PRC, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore. Already today they are showing interest in this. Rather, they do not just show, but participate in the creation of one directly interacting with Russia.

            As for the present moment, it’s like in an old joke, remember, about the infamous Fisherman and advanced Goldfish? When did any Fisherman's desire be doubled in double size from his neighbor? And with the last desire, he eliminated one Faberge ..... and the American establishment of today, shooting himself in the foot, accidentally shot himself an egg and looks with hope at Russia, maybe it will eliminate both of itself .... from which I would have avoided to state today, it gives rise to completely interesting, unexpected and most fantastic events. I have to wait.
          15. APASUS
            APASUS 20 January 2016 21: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Of course, I’m not quite on the topic (I need to read it), but it seems to me that people are a little substitute for concepts. There is no analogue of SWIFT in Russia. Because these are INTERNATIONAL transactions. SPFS - serves internal ones. , it can become the basis for the development of analogues of VISA or Mastercard. But to replace SWIFT in international transactions? What is it like ? It is also necessary the other side to somehow persuade SPFS to use it, and even on an international scale, and taking into account the politicization of all Russian institutions and organizations, and the direct subordination of power (which tomorrow, if it so wishes, will cancel, restrict, verify, etc.) - it’s unlikely whether she is interested in someone over the hill (at the moment). \ So it seems to me.

            Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications (SWIFT), pronounced SWIFT) is an international interbank system for transmitting information and making payments.

            Visa - international payment system

            I understand that for you there is no difference given your comment?
          16. Archon
            Archon 21 January 2016 09: 36 New
            +1
            just persuade China to use our system. And China is a global factory that produces almost all goods.
            1. 2news
              2news 21 January 2016 10: 30 New
              -1
              Quote: Archon
              just persuade China to use our system.

              Of course. As well as both America, Europe, Africa and the rest of Asia. The task is about the same level of difficulty.
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 21 January 2016 17: 59 New
              +4
              for Archon:
              "it is enough to persuade China to use our system" ///

              I think it will be exactly the opposite. China will create its
              interbank system and politely "persuade" to join it smile .
              Promising in return loans and contracts.
              When the Asian Development Bank strengthens, it (in fact, China)
              will create his ala-visa / mastercard and his own swift.
              And the States will have to compete with him.
              1. 2news
                2news 21 January 2016 18: 41 New
                +2
                Quote: voyaka uh
                China will create its interbank system

                It has been around for more than 10 years. Called China UnionPay. Cards are accepted in more than 140 countries of the world. In terms of transaction volume, it is the largest system in the world.
                Quote: voyaka uh
                and politely "persuade" to join it

                Nevermind. Since 2013 UnionPay LLC is included in the register of payment system operators in the Russian Federation.
          17. KaPToC
            KaPToC 21 January 2016 22: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            \ So it seems to me.

            Interestingly, were there precedents for a country to be forcibly disconnected from SWIFT?
            1. 2news
              2news 21 January 2016 23: 22 New
              +1
              Quote: KaPToC
              But there were precedents for a country to be forcibly disconnected from SWIFT?

              Of course. Iran just got connected again the other day. And for the time of the sanctions they turned it off.
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 23 January 2016 00: 09 New
                0
                Quote: 2news
                Of course. Iran just got connected again the other day. And for the time of the sanctions they turned it off.

                It was a rhetorical question. Iran has been shut off, which means that for SWIFT it’s too late to worry about its reputation.
          18. KCA
            KCA 23 January 2016 22: 19 New
            0
            international transactions can also be carried out in cash, this is what stops our "partners" from disconnecting us from SWIFT, plane there, plane here and not block the transfer in any way, even if you really want to
        3. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 20 January 2016 07: 32 New
          +9
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          VISA type cards for everyone! and it means that each of us, as a percentage, supports America financially. how do you like

          And now I don’t have a Visa, a Master Card, or a Maestro. There is our Pro100 from Sber. And in half of payment terminals it does not pass. Import substitution - it is .. Severe smile
          1. venaya
            venaya 20 January 2016 08: 29 New
            12
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Our Pro100 from Sber. And in half of payment terminals it does not pass.

            There is a striking example of gaps in our legislation, our legislators either overslept or most likely simply do not appear in the State. Duma. It is high time to introduce legal liability for such openly anti-state activities and completely prohibit the use of such terminals in our country by law.
            1. Schulz
              Schulz 20 January 2016 08: 40 New
              +8
              Quote: venaya
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Our Pro100 from Sber. And in half of payment terminals it does not pass.

              There is a striking example of gaps in our legislation, our legislators either overslept or most likely simply do not appear in the State. Duma. It is high time to introduce legal liability for such openly anti-state activities and completely prohibit the use of such terminals in our country by law.

              Are you in general aware that although the chips for the same ABM 100 are produced in Russia, all the software is imported? The same Mastercard? Make your own software and only then introduce "legal responsibility".
              P.S. Not in defense of deputies.
              1. R-140
                R-140 20 January 2016 09: 41 New
                +1
                I support. I need to rewrite the software in each terminal, but it’s not so fast. But it’s quite feasible. Give me time.
                1. 2news
                  2news 20 January 2016 12: 28 New
                  +5
                  Quote: R-140
                  You need to rewrite the software in each terminal, but this is not so fast.

                  And still it is necessary to produce a computer in "every terminal". Because this is the main part of it. To do this, you need not the most advanced, but not the slowest processor, a motherboard with a video chip and memory.
                  And you also need to produce:
                  TFT monitor (usually with touch-resistant vandal-proof screen),
                  uninterruptible power supply,
                  bill acceptor
                  receipt printer
                  fiscal registrar
                  keyboard (in the absence of a touch screen),
                  GPRS modem
                  GSM antenna
                  watchdog timer
                  device for working with plastic bank cards,
                  Barcode Scanner.
                  And this is in "every terminal". Because the collection of all this, this is the terminal. And the "box" can be any.
                  Quote: R-140
                  But quite feasible. Give time.

                  Of course.
                  1. Nekarmadlen
                    Nekarmadlen 21 January 2016 00: 43 New
                    +2
                    What you described is called an ATM)))) The terminal is a small box with buttons and a small screen connected to a cash register ....
                    1. 2news
                      2news 21 January 2016 01: 03 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Nekarmadlen
                      What you described is called an ATM

                      What I described is called a payment terminal. A small box is an element of a POS terminal and it does not exist by itself. Typically, a POS system includes:
                      PC system unit (processor, motherboard with video chip and memory),
                      fiscal registrar (FR),
                      Cashier POS Monitor
                      programmable keyboard
                      card reader
                      barcode reader
                      customer display.
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          2. R-140
            R-140 20 January 2016 09: 36 New
            0
            Give time everywhere will pass.
        4. evgenii67
          evgenii67 20 January 2016 10: 55 New
          +4
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          and it means that each of us, as a percentage, supports America financially. how do you like

          and nickname. a lot of talk, business-0. Yesterday I went to Sberbank s / n the card changed, they said to me there, they say, you need to pay more for the service, but there are more chips, it is better. and I ask her that she is Made in Russia? and the girl, she’s not a VISA and will act until the end of 2018. here you have a replacement.
        5. Altona
          Altona 20 January 2016 11: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          VISA type cards for everyone!

          -----------------------
          I have zero rubles and zero kopecks on it ... Sberovskaya card ...
        6. Siberian
          Siberian 20 January 2016 15: 15 New
          +1
          Disgusting!
          And about ours - they can, after all, when they want to (or give a kick - the most, it turns out, an effective measure of obtaining knowledge, skills). It is gratifying
        7. gergi
          gergi 20 January 2016 16: 02 New
          0
          We do not like. Fuck them, not a drum.
        8. NEXUS
          NEXUS 21 January 2016 14: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          you need to understand that each bank using "SWIFT" pays for it about 1.5 million times, but nevertheless. let's calculate how much Russia gives for nothing? How much does each of us pay America? VISA cards for everyone! and it means that each of us, with a percentage, supports America financially. how do you?

          That's right. But I would like to add. The question of creating an alternative to the dollar has been ripening for a long time. In what year Russia and China have been breaking all records in the purchase of gold and I suspect that within 5-10 years something similar to the "golden ruble" (an alternative to the dollar even within the SCO, BRICS will appear.
        9. KaPToC
          KaPToC 21 January 2016 22: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          But how much each of us pays America?

          Everything is calculated before us - five billion US dollars are earned in Russia.
        10. Foxmara
          Foxmara 22 January 2016 16: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          VISA type cards for everyone! and so each of us

          It's buulshit. The CIA is much more interested in us using a visa and a craftsman. The office writes everything.
    2. Megatron
      Megatron 20 January 2016 06: 21 New
      17
      Yeah, and meanwhile Russia is increasing investment in US debt securities, only read the latest news. Although the same Japan dumps them. They are fencing off with one hand, and hugging with the other.
      1. Login_Off
        Login_Off 20 January 2016 06: 28 New
        14
        Let not the hand of the milking man become scanty ... fool
        1. Cormorants
          Cormorants 20 January 2016 06: 47 New
          +1
          Very, very good news "+"
          1. atalef
            atalef 20 January 2016 07: 03 New
            +5
            Quote: Cormorants
            Very, very good news "+"

            For the end of last year (that would roughly understand the scale), China to support its stock market dropped US T-bills by 500 billion bucks (more than the NWF and the Stab Fund combined) --- How did this affect the buck? How did this affect US inflation? --- right, no way !!!
            Therefore, leave your hopes that some unhappy (+, -) 200-300 billion (and even more so 7 laughing ) as it will change the economic situation of the states.
            1. Megatron
              Megatron 20 January 2016 07: 17 New
              +8
              Something I did not hear that China dumped them, and especially so much.
              Where does the information come from ???
            2. Dembel77
              Dembel77 20 January 2016 07: 32 New
              +8
              No lyrics needed. If Russia has declared itself as a world power or, to put it more modestly, it intends to be such, then it is impossible to do without a national payment system (or several national systems with subsequent access to the international level). Once upon a time it would have to be done anyway. It is strange that we still did not have this national payment system. We fly into space, we have an underwater nuclear fleet, what can I say - even Americans respect our strategic nuclear forces, but we don’t have our own payment system! Must be!
            3. Great-grandfather of Zeus
              Great-grandfather of Zeus 20 January 2016 07: 35 New
              +2
              atalef-and if the states take away the money machine?
              1. atalef
                atalef 20 January 2016 08: 48 New
                -13
                Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
                atalef-and if the states take away the money machine?

                For almost a year now they have not been issuing (they are not printing new money) CARL.
                Neither print.
                At the end of last year, the United States stopped issuing money: it stopped printing money for injections into the economy, and the investment process began to stop in the world, including the USA.


                How did this affect the dollar?
                correctly it strengthens.
                this is how a normal economy works.
                Leave your tales about the printing press.
                1. quote
                  quote 20 January 2016 09: 08 New
                  10
                  Quote: atalef
                  How did this affect the dollar?
                  correctly it strengthens.
                  this is how a normal economy works.
                  Leave your tales about the printing press.

                  And 18 trillion of foreign debt is what money? Is it not printed money? And what is the total debt? What can I really be if I did not plan to repay the debt? And no one can "come to pick" him alone. I will introduce sanctions, Maidan if that, and you can bomb on!
                2. goose
                  goose 20 January 2016 10: 50 New
                  +3
                  Quote: atalef
                  How did this affect the dollar?
                  correctly it strengthens.
                  this is how a normal economy works.
                  Leave your tales about the printing press.

                  This monetarist economic theory, on which you are now based, has sunk into oblivion along with the beginning of the Great Depression in the USA, it turned out that the exchange rate most of all depends on the real economy, and not on the amount of money issued. Those. on the volume of production, volume of transactions, amount of serviced debt, etc. What happens to the US dollar is an imposed service, as Most of the dollars issued against reserves and payments for oil, i.e. not for the real economy. If this does not happen, the dollar will also begin to sausage, as well as the ruble.
                3. LvKiller
                  LvKiller 20 January 2016 12: 04 New
                  +8
                  Whom are you treating, uncle? Is the dollar strengthening because it is so mimimi-good? No, it's just that someone has thoroughly "vacuumed" the world and there is not enough green cash. In general, for this not only the face is beaten, but the head can be cut off. Also to me "reserve monetary system". Uncle, drop your chutzpu. Already all normal people understand that all this terminology about "free markets", "human rights", "economies" is a stupid blatant lie.
                4. saturn.mmm
                  saturn.mmm 20 January 2016 14: 25 New
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  How did this affect the dollar?
                  correctly it strengthens.
                  this is how a normal economy works.

                  In the US, there are all signs of deflation, and this is not good for an economy that already has a negative trade balance.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 20 January 2016 14: 50 New
                    -5
                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    Quote: atalef
                    How did this affect the dollar?
                    correctly it strengthens.
                    this is how a normal economy works.

                    In the US, there are all signs of deflation, and this is not good for an economy that already has a negative trade balance.

                    A sign of deflation is negative inflation, and where is it?
                    1. afdjhbn67
                      afdjhbn67 20 January 2016 14: 58 New
                      -1
                      Quote: atalef
                      A sign of deflation is negative inflation, and where is it?

                      Sanya, when you finally understand - everything is bad in America, life is left for two sighs ...
                    2. saturn.mmm
                      saturn.mmm 20 January 2016 15: 44 New
                      -2
                      Quote: atalef
                      A sign of deflation is negative inflation, and where is it?

                      Deflation (from lat. Deflatio - blowing off) is an increase in the purchasing power of the local currency, which is manifested in a decrease in the price index.
                      1. saturn.mmm
                        saturn.mmm 21 January 2016 19: 03 New
                        +1
                        Quote: saturn.mmm
                        Deflation (from lat. Deflatio - blowing off) is an increase in the purchasing power of the local currency, which is manifested in a decrease in the price index.

                        Some disagree with encyclopedic terms, it happens.
                  2. 2news
                    2news 20 January 2016 14: 59 New
                    +4
                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    In the USA, there are all signs of deflation, which is not good for the economy.

                    Deflation could have happened if Benny the helicopter with his friends had not been cooked in time. And now, judging by the rate dynamics, it's time to think about sterilization. While timid.
            4. quote
              quote 20 January 2016 08: 55 New
              13
              Quote: atalef
              --- How did this affect the buck? How did this affect US inflation? --- right, no way !!!

              And how is inflation regulated in the States?
              Quite right, inflationary dollars are withdrawn from circulation. In general, how can one influence the criminal common fund (US economy) if the holder prints the money?
              For example, Apple. Stock, the value of this enterprise is estimated at 600 billion. And the real value of the company? And in addition, 51% belongs to China. Otherwise, you cannot work in China. And Apple does not want to return to America. economy of the States? And it is listed in 600 billion, and not at the real value of the company. And how can you influence the "paper" figures?
              Only one way, stop paying the racketeer.
              And let him eat up the accumulated, if someone will sell something in his currency.
              1. sa-ag
                sa-ag 20 January 2016 09: 33 New
                +1
                Quote: devis
                And to all the same 51% belongs to China.

                Where does this data come from? I would suggest that the leading shareholders are someone like the Vanguard Group and State Street Corporation
              2. GRAY
                GRAY 20 January 2016 10: 10 New
                +4
                Quote: devis
                For example, Apple Promotional, the value of this enterprise is estimated at 600 billion. And the real value of the company?

                Not even enough. They value Facebook (which does not produce anything useful) at 200 lard. lol
            5. lex locis
              lex locis 20 January 2016 10: 46 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: Cormorants
              Very, very good news "+"

              For the end of last year (that would roughly understand the scale), China to support its stock market dropped US T-bills by 500 billion bucks (more than the NWF and the Stab Fund combined) --- How did this affect the buck? How did this affect US inflation? --- right, no way !!!
              Therefore, leave your hopes that some unhappy (+, -) 200-300 billion (and even more so 7 laughing ) as it will change the economic situation of the states.


              Water sharpens a stone ....
              Incl. slowly (where 500, and where 7), and the buck is undermining everything, the United States is not in vain nervous and is organizing a war all over the world, this is to seize less and invest more in "the most reliable American securities" (like their mortgage, which recently burst so loudly ...) ....
            6. 2news
              2news 20 January 2016 20: 19 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              China dropped $ 500bn worth of US GKOs to support its stock market

              In fact, not GKO, but gold reserves.
              It looks like the Chinese "bubble" has begun to burst at the seams. And there the "miracle" ends not far.
            7. NEXUS
              NEXUS 21 January 2016 15: 02 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              At the end of last year (in order to roughly understand the scale), China, to support its stock market, dropped US T-bills by 500 billion dollars (more than the National Welfare Fund and the Stab Fund combined) --- how did this affect the dollar? How did this affect US inflation? --- right, no way !!!
              Therefore, leave your hopes that some unhappy (+, -) 200-300 billion (and even more so 7) will somehow change the economic situation of the states.

              The conversation is not about harming the United States overnight, but it is essentially about the formation of some kind of financial sovereignty.
              But the collapse of the dollar and the US economy in general cannot be quick, since if this is done (which is in principle feasible), then many can be buried under the wreckage, including yourself.
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        3. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 20 January 2016 07: 41 New
          +5
          Quote: Login_Off
          Do not let your hand go weak milking ...

          if you are talking about cows, then it’s more correct: REAL ... wassat
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 January 2016 08: 08 New
          +9
          Quote: Login_Off
          May the hand of the milking person not be scanty ..

          And if you blame the blame, then
          1 cut.
          2. Increased.
          3. Reduced.
          4. Reduced.
          5. Increased.
          Do not believe, do not be afraid, do not ask.
        5. GRAY
          GRAY 20 January 2016 10: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Login_Off
          Let not the hand of the milking man become scanty ...

          Looking from which side to look.
          Russia's investments in US government bonds declined by $ 20 billion over the year. This follows from data published by the US Treasury.

          In November 2015, Moscow owned $ 88 billion in US securities, a year earlier this amount was $ 108 billion.

          In the ranking of the largest holders of US bonds, Russia is in 15th place. The first line is China.

          http://rusnovosti.ru/posts/405184
        6. anfil
          anfil 20 January 2016 10: 42 New
          0
          Internet is a terrible force

          WASHINGTON, 20 Jan - RIA News. For the period from November 2014 to November 2015, Russia reduced investments in US government bonds by 20 billion dollars, according to a monthly report from the US Treasury.

          Whereas in November of the 2014 of the year, Russian securities in the possession of 108 of billions of dollars were in the possession of the Russian Federation, then, starting from December of the same year, their volume began to decrease significantly. Nevertheless, in May 2015, Russia again began to increase purchases of US debt securities. Now their value has reached 88 billion dollars.

          At present, foreign states own US securities worth 6,125 trillion dollars, which is up by 2014 billion dollars compared to November of 11.
      2. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 20 January 2016 08: 02 New
        +4
        But I read a news line a minute ago that Russia's investments in American debt securities in 2015 decreased by 20% ...... Or are we watching different news?
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 20 January 2016 08: 48 New
          +2
          Or are we watching different news?
          And you read. Some write. which reduced. others that increased. But all agree that Russia holds 88 billion US rubles.
        2. atalef
          atalef 20 January 2016 09: 03 New
          +3
          Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
          But I read a news line a minute ago that Russia's investments in American debt securities in 2015 decreased by 20% ...... Or are we watching different news?

          In general, what etgo matters?
          It is clear that by the end of this year. Russian investments in the GKO of America are likely to be reduced to zero.
          and not for the reason. want or don't want to support laughing (laughter some 0 American economy.
          but because of that. that money will be stupidly needed. maybe the Stab Fund and the NWF will end.
          Well, unless of course they go along the path of lowering the ruble.
          Further - of course, the privatization of Rosneft and Vnesbank is on the agenda.
          same interesting position.
          Rosneft (formerly Yukos)
          We spent a hundred lards on various schemes and buying out a share from British Petroleum. then they got into the Yukos courts and lost another 50 lards. then Rosneft made debts under 170 lard (of course, all this paid the budget) --- now it will be sold at the maximum drop
          Who?
          Foreign investors will not buy for well-known reasons. Local? there is an option. but? Where the West does not give money 7. so the answer is simple. Russian banks of type 9, Sberbank 0, will give a loan to some Timchenko or Rotenberg and he will buy back almost half of Russia's oil for a penny.
          if you simplify the whole scheme. then we get -
          The budget of Russia spent on the acquisition of Rosneft and the payment of dorgs about 300 billion .. sell for? Yes, what does mk matter. a loan can only be at the expense of budget money (no one else has that kind of money) and it will certainly sell cheaper. than she bought.
          As a result, Mr. X. Rosneft will receive at the expense of taxes of Russian citizens and at a price ...
          Truly Russian business
          find a box of vodka, sell half the price and drink money.
          brave to effective managers.
          Interesting . Does Putin know about this? wink
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 20 January 2016 09: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Who?

            China, or the same BP, which already has 19% of Rosneft
          2. Ajjh
            Ajjh 20 January 2016 12: 20 New
            0
            Interesting . Does Putin know about this? wink

            Sarcasm? smile
          3. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 20 January 2016 14: 57 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            We spent a hundred lards on various schemes and buying out a share from British Petroleum. then they got into the Yukos courts and lost another 50 lards.

            Something information you have some sort of second freshness.
            Rosneft has entered into a dispute settlement agreement with former Yukos shareholders. According to the company in its release on Wednesday, Rosneft and a number of its subsidiaries
            “In accordance with the terms of the agreement, the parties refuse all mutual claims and terminate all existing judicial and other disputes, and also undertake not to bring any claims to each other in the future in connection with the bankruptcy and liquidation of Yukos,” the Rosneft release says. ". “The agreement does not provide for any cash or other payments from Rosneft or its subsidiaries.”

            31 March 2015 city
            Quote: atalef
            Well, unless of course they go along the path of lowering the ruble.

            He has already been lowered.
          4. BaLaLaykin
            BaLaLaykin 20 January 2016 20: 16 New
            +1
            The conclusions are beautiful, only one small BUT! Russia has not taken loans recently (because they don’t), but has paid debts (currently it remains around 500 billion), goods continue to be bought from Russia (profit remains, respectively), the question is for you , what will happen when Russia repays all debt, but continues to make a profit?
            True american business
            To pit two brotherly nations (Russia and Ukraine), to stone the country (Syria), to pit two neighbors (Russia and Turkey) and all so that Israel could sell its gas to Europe, a small but very proud country !! !
            What about raw needle Charles?
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 21 January 2016 19: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: Lalaika
              Bleed two fraternal peoples (Russia and Ukraine)

              Two fraternal peoples did not particularly resist this.
              Quote: Lalaika
              pit two neighbors (Russia and Turkey)

              Turkey is such a neighbor from whom a three-meter fence is needed, they look at the south of Russia and are choked with saliva.
              Quote: Lalaika
              but a very proud country, Israel could sell its gas to Europe !!!

              Little Qatar is possible but not Israel?
              The country is smaller than Crimea and the whole world puts on our ears how stupid and weak we are.
          5. Termit1309
            Termit1309 21 January 2016 10: 44 New
            0
            And you write him a letter laughing
      3. R-140
        R-140 20 January 2016 09: 43 New
        0
        Would you even read Christmas trees about investing in US papers and then shouted. Well, damn it, dark people.
    3. nimboris
      nimboris 20 January 2016 08: 59 New
      +2
      and whether it turns out that the alternative SWIFT system created by us will be under attack and that it is easier to overwhelm it than to disable SWIFT for us. After all, as I understand it, that we are so much tied together, and with an independent system, they can simply ignore us?
    4. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 20 January 2016 09: 23 New
      +1
      As they say wait and see. There would be no happiness but misfortune helped.
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 20 January 2016 12: 06 New
      +1
      Russia is buying up American bonds and is the 15th largest investor in the US economy.
    6. spinner
      spinner 20 January 2016 20: 09 New
      0
      This is where we got stronger? sad
  2. izya top
    izya top 20 January 2016 06: 04 New
    +1
    So it seems that China has launched some kind of system? And what will choose the brix and the SCO-Russian or Chinese?
    1. vkfriendly
      vkfriendly 20 January 2016 06: 14 New
      +2
      well, both of them can exist in the same BRICS
  3. evgeny1979
    evgeny1979 20 January 2016 06: 06 New
    +2
    Well done, you have your own system, you don’t have to bend under someone else.
    1. anfil
      anfil 20 January 2016 10: 48 New
      +3
      How fragile our world is, bran now potential difference - between two points all over the world and then horse breeding will begin to develop, pigeon breeding and marathon will find their application. Guides from the puddles to the geyropu will arrive with a long delay by the sailing fleet.
  4. Roman 25
    Roman 25 20 January 2016 06: 07 New
    +8
    Our liberal government would move a bit faster, look and prices in the country wouldn’t jump like that! Swift's analogue is very good. But when will the analogues of everything else appear? The same household chemicals seem to be made here only for some reason from imported raw materials ...
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 20 January 2016 06: 21 New
      +4
      Prices jump only at the whim of bureaucrats and retailers, bursting with impunity.


      Quote: Roman 25
      Our liberal government would move a bit faster, look and prices in the country wouldn’t jump like that! Swift's analogue is very good. But when will the analogues of everything else appear? The same household chemicals seem to be made here only for some reason from imported raw materials ...
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 20 January 2016 06: 31 New
        +3
        And to whom do these retailers belong?
    2. Megatron
      Megatron 20 January 2016 06: 30 New
      0
      Funny as it may seem, he came to us from a lot of this very chemistry.
    3. asiat_61
      asiat_61 20 January 2016 07: 06 New
      +3
      You will be very surprised, but all the plastic is from imported raw materials. And the raw materials are from our oil and gas.
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 20 January 2016 08: 00 New
        +1
        With gasoline, a similar trend is also
    4. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 January 2016 12: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Roman 25
      The same household chemicals seem to be made here only for some reason from imported raw materials ...

      Well, not all, here is a terrible-looking "household" soap, completely from domestic raw materials!
  5. La-5
    La-5 20 January 2016 06: 07 New
    13
    To say thank you for the sanctions is bullshit. The country should develop its own economy and financial institutions (and indeed any industry) by its own means, and not as in the saying "until the thunder breaks out, the man does not cross himself."
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 20 January 2016 08: 32 New
      +3
      I agree with you. Why were sanctions required to stir Russian officials and ministers? Yes, and then stirred somehow languidly and with exertion. Why, for many years, what was needed to be done and what was done in emergency mode after the imposition of sanctions was not done (again, I add that not everything is done and not in good faith). So officials and ministers occupy other people's jobs.
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 January 2016 06: 08 New
    +2
    And I like the sanctions. "Let them take their pot and give our toys."
    1. atalef
      atalef 20 January 2016 07: 05 New
      -6
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      And I like the sanctions. "Let them take their pot and give our toys."

      Well, it depends on what kind of toys, maybe they will return the dildo? wink
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 January 2016 08: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        maybe they will return the dildo?

        Bury Sanya Bery laughing
  7. waitknait
    waitknait 20 January 2016 06: 13 New
    +8
    It was high time to do so, otherwise we wonder why the ruble is falling, and why should he be strong if we are so dependent on them.
    1. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 20 January 2016 08: 12 New
      0
      It is impossible in a couple of years to break the system that was created by the American and European oligarchy for 100-150 years .......... But the beginning has already been made .... China's successes in its economic breakthrough as an example .... direction chosen it is true that Russia needs to follow the same path .... Invest in its economy and pursue an independent foreign policy.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 20 January 2016 09: 39 New
        +2
        It’s impossible to break the system in a couple of years
        Why a couple of years? Too shy to ask, what have you been doing for the last fifteen years?
        1. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 20 January 2016 13: 18 New
          0
          Quote: Gardamir
          It’s impossible to break the system in a couple of years
          Why a couple of years? Too shy to ask, what have you been doing for the last fifteen years?


          Do not be shy. Yes, because we believed that we were integrating into the so-called world economic system.
  8. Same lech
    Same lech 20 January 2016 06: 16 New
    +9
    If you believe the statistics of the Central Bank, then until the beginning of 2015, the system worked practically in test mode.


    smile Believe any bank on the word .... do not respect yourself ... CENTROBANK is no exception.
    You need to clearly understand that a banker (it doesn’t matter whether it’s Russian or American ... both peel off the same way) is primarily a money-lender ... he gives a ruble and takes two in return.
    But the problems with SWIFT are the problems of banks, first of all, and not ours, you had to think about the consequences of embedding the banking structure of RUSSIA in the Western model of society.
    Generally integrating into the world capital system where everything is interconnected RUSSIA at the same time lost a part of its sovereignty ... so Russia will have such problems permanently.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 January 2016 12: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      You need to clearly understand that the banker (it does not matter whether Russian or American ... both peel the same

      Compare interest rates on loans, they are far from us! That's who will take off and take off his last shirt, so it's ours!
  9. Koronik
    Koronik 20 January 2016 06: 27 New
    +3
    I think that if the president - forced these same officials to move, constantly, with the most severe control over the work being done, Russia would not have noticed many problems. And so they live for pleasure, from crisis to crisis, when will everything change?
  10. Nitarius
    Nitarius 20 January 2016 06: 28 New
    +5
    Until you kick .. don't fly! so here!
  11. parusnik
    parusnik 20 January 2016 06: 35 New
    +3
    If the Central Bank threw off such an information ... all very seriously .. the pressure on Russia continues ...
  12. Taygerus
    Taygerus 20 January 2016 06: 39 New
    +2
    one more small step to the sovereignty of Russia, God forbid not turn from the path to financial independence
  13. samarin1969
    samarin1969 20 January 2016 06: 59 New
    +4
    Without the systemic ousting of offshore "investors" from the national wealth, without political steps to strengthen sovereignty, the declarations to abandon SWIFT are nothing more than a populist "scarecrow".
    Switch off SWIFT (really!) - 90% of bohemians and businessmen in Russia will "switch off", like in the movie "The Matrix" ...
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 20 January 2016 09: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: samarin1969
      Switch off SWIFT (really!) - 90% of bohemians and businessmen in Russia will "switch off", like in the movie "The Matrix" ...

      What? All the agents ?!))
  14. Ded_smerch
    Ded_smerch 20 January 2016 07: 23 New
    +2
    The Russian system can rise in the world even due to the fact that financial operations in it will not be monitored by US intelligence agencies. A new financial market for shadow operations, turnover can be increased due to this at times.
  15. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 20 January 2016 07: 26 New
    -1
    Once again, the Americans wiped their nose. laughing
  16. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 20 January 2016 07: 41 New
    -1
    The word "partners" in relation to all this Euroleague and NATO is irrelevant, and its frequent pronunciation jars me terribly !!! eu see only one rainbow dream-Russia completely collapsed into fragments and will not calm down to achieve this once.
  17. Xmyp
    Xmyp 20 January 2016 07: 44 New
    +4
    Quote: Roman 25
    Our liberal government would move a bit faster, look and prices in the country wouldn’t jump like that! Swift's analogue is very good. But when will the analogues of everything else appear? The same household chemicals seem to be made here only for some reason from imported raw materials ...

    Nobody has moved and will not be there.
    All they did was provide money to BANKS, so that enterprises would take unbearable loans;)
  18. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 20 January 2016 07: 47 New
    +1
    SPFS is good, of course. But when will it still be possible to make international transactions? Yes, and SPFS is not without glitches.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 20 January 2016 09: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Al_oriso
      But when will it still be possible to make international transactions?

      Yeah right now)). The Iranian (Argentinean, North Korean, Serbian - acquires them number) acquires access to the entrance to the SPFS and an international transaction has occurred, which is typical. in any agreed currency.
  19. sa-ag
    sa-ag 20 January 2016 07: 48 New
    +7
    In general, from the point of view of logic, it is strange for interbank transfers within the country to use a foreign organization, but it is even stranger to create one only when there is a threat of difficulty in accessing this international organization
  20. Senior manager
    Senior manager 20 January 2016 07: 53 New
    +4
    Americans are still far from wiping their nose, but there is great potential. The point is that it is impossible to make sharp movements in the world space, the world system is unfriendly to us, actively opposes, therefore "hurry slowly" otherwise you can get the other end of the stick on your own forehead. The main thing is to work in the direction we need.
    1. cap
      cap 20 January 2016 08: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: St. Propulsion
      Americans are still far from wiping their nose, but there is great potential. The point is that it is impossible to make sharp movements in the world space, the world system is unfriendly to us, actively opposes, therefore "hurry slowly" otherwise you can get the other end of the stick on your own forehead. The main thing is to work in the direction we need.


      And buy gold quietly. And then bam, the ruble is convertible. In turn, gentlemen. Well, if it will be so. I always loved to dream.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 20 January 2016 09: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: cap
        . And then bam, the ruble is convertible. In turn, gentlemen. Well, if so

        And now that he is not converted into another currency?
        1. Red_Hamer
          Red_Hamer 20 January 2016 11: 58 New
          +2
          The ruble has been convertible for about 5 years now)), the president is already tired of talking about this))
      2. atalef
        atalef 20 January 2016 09: 08 New
        -3
        Quote: cap
        And buy gold quietly. And then bam, the ruble is convertible.

        Bam 7
        and what to buy gold?
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 20 January 2016 12: 21 New
          -2
          Quote: atalef
          and what to buy gold?

          Sanya is great! As removed from the tongue, I wanted to ask the same smile Apparently for honey, furs, tar, etc.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 20 January 2016 17: 41 New
            -3
            Quote: Bayonet
            Apparently for honey, furs, tar, etc.

            To lease land to the Chinese, in Central Asia you can turn some great Siberian river and trade in water, the possibilities of Russia are endless like a mess.
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 20 January 2016 17: 37 New
          -2
          Quote: atalef
          Bam 7
          and what to buy gold?

          In Russia, you can lather.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 20 January 2016 18: 25 New
            +2
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            In Russia, you can lather.

            Mine - mine, the ruble is falling, prices are rising, and life is more fun! wassat
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 21 January 2016 00: 20 New
              -2
              Quote: Bayonet
              Mine - mine, the ruble is falling, prices are rising, and life is more fun!

              Independence is expensive, something began to pee quickly in Russia, we are already accustomed to such devaluations once every 2-3 years, that it doesn’t kill us, it makes us stronger, not all the time there is a carnival for a cat.
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          2. 2news
            2news 20 January 2016 19: 55 New
            +2
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            In Russia, you can lather.

            Russia does not wash gold. People are washing. And they have to pay for it. Otherwise, they will not lather it.
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 21 January 2016 00: 26 New
              -3
              Quote: 2news
              Russia does not wash gold. People are washed

              How do you imagine Russia without people?
              Quote: 2news
              And they have to pay for it.

              They pay with Russian rubles and sell for dollars.
              1. 2news
                2news 21 January 2016 00: 34 New
                +2
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                How do you imagine Russia without people?

                And why should I imagine Russia without people? You wrote that Russia can receive gold for free. I logically pointed out to you that there is only cheese in a mousetrap for free.
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                They pay with Russian rubles and sell for dollars.

                You at least read some book on economics. And then write "serious comments".
              2. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 21 January 2016 19: 02 New
                0
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                How do you imagine Russia without people?

                Three people probably think that if the territory of Russia is populated by the British, then it will still remain Russia.
  21. Man1
    Man1 20 January 2016 07: 53 New
    +6
    Quote: Koronik
    I think that if the president - forced these same officials to move, constantly, with the most severe control over the work being done, Russia would not have noticed many problems. And so they live for pleasure, from crisis to crisis, when will everything change?

    Interestingly, who will force the president.
  22. 65 Centurion
    65 Centurion 20 January 2016 07: 58 New
    +2
    Well, why then do we support the "mattress-makers" with our own money ??? http://tass.ru/ekonomika/2598987
  23. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 20 January 2016 08: 14 New
    +7
    Yes, yes, we are "growing stronger", the volume of Russia's investments in US government securities increased in November last year, total: $ 108,1 billion. Let's continue, at the expense of our people, to brighten up the life of "Uncle Semu", he lives so badly, but we have a wide soul, a shirt wide open. But soon we will be left without pants, with a bare, so to speak, pelvic part of the body. At various economic forums, some individuals from the government and banking structures, whose controlling stake is the same state, quote, I apologize to KABALA, and openly say that there is nothing to give the people (our people) literacy in the volumes that are given in EVEN current schools, I am silent about Soviet education. Because, a comprehensively competent person will never be completely loyal to the government. For those who do not understand, the government needs (an illiterate, draft animal), it is more convenient for them to manage! Uncle Sema's wound! And we already have the elite.

    PS
    For those who did not believe it, see last year's records of the "Gaidar Forum", as well as this. They repeat these thoughts every year, like a mantra.
  24. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 20 January 2016 08: 35 New
    +3
    Thanks to the developers, but I would especially like to note our authorities, AUTHORITY everyone is already tired of your stupidity and mediocrity. When will work fruitfully. When your actions will be ahead of the problem, if the mind is not enough, then just leave, what rotten you are all there.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 January 2016 09: 43 New
      +3
      POWER Your stupidity and mediocrity is already tired of everyone.
      And in the elections, again vote for those who are tired?
  25. Xmyp
    Xmyp 20 January 2016 08: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: Red_Hamer
    Yes, yes, we are "growing stronger", the volume of Russia's investments in US government securities increased in November last year, total: $ 108,1 billion. Let's continue, at the expense of our people, to brighten up the life of "Uncle Semu", he lives so badly, but we have a wide soul, a shirt wide open. But soon we will be left without pants, with a bare, so to speak, pelvic part of the body. At various economic forums, some individuals from the government and banking structures, whose controlling stake is the same state, quote, I apologize to KABALA, and openly say that there is nothing to give the people (our people) literacy in the volumes that are given in EVEN current schools, I am silent about Soviet education. Because, a comprehensively competent person will never be completely loyal to the government. For those who do not understand, the government needs (an illiterate, draft animal), it is more convenient for them to manage! Uncle Sema's wound! And we already have the elite.

    PS
    For those who did not believe it, see last year's records of the "Gaidar Forum", as well as this. They repeat these thoughts every year, like a mantra.

    Watch out. Now the Urapatriots will attack, they will worm.
  26. Neko75
    Neko75 20 January 2016 08: 42 New
    +1
    It is high time in any field of activity to have internal, alternative systems and in case of emergency situations not to be left out. This applies not only to the banking sector. Up to the point that you need to have your own operating systems and software. Russia and the West will always oppose each other, openly - as now or behind the scenes, as 15 years ago.
    1. Schulz
      Schulz 20 January 2016 09: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: Neko75
      It is high time in any field of activity to have internal, alternative systems and in case of emergency situations not to be left out. This applies not only to the banking sector.

      To have systems and "and in the event of emergency situations not to be overboard." Are completely different things.
      The death of babies in the Crimea, when electricity was cut off in the maternity hospital after the power transmission line was blown up - a vivid confirmation of this, because there were backup diesel generators there! Well, how were they used? The fact that power lines blew up the uro ** does not in any way justify the director of the maternity hospital and the head of the local Emergencies Ministry. As the "professor" correctly wrote here, after such an emergency, the very next day no one else in Israel would have worked in their positions. And in the Crimea?
      So, I repeat: "to have" and to be able to use are completely different things!
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 20 January 2016 10: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Schulz
        So, I repeat: "to have" and to be able to use are completely different things!

        That is, in your opinion, it turns out that Russia does not need such a system due to the fact that it will not work at all ("be able to use") after they blow up SWIFT at the border? However, you twist, pedaling on the tragedy ...
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  27. uav80
    uav80 20 January 2016 08: 49 New
    -1
    Quote: Login_Off
    Let not the hand of the milking man become scanty ...


    We decided to earn some money once the budget is differential - bonds were bought on the secondary market i.e. not at face value, but cheaper, but the percentage on them remained the same, the standard buy-sell scheme get profit ...

    They invested dollars who hang around idle in reliable and risk-free "bonds" of the Fed. For example, the coupon yield of 1 monthly FRS bills is about 0,02%, which for $ 7,8 billion gives an income of about $ 1,5 million per month
  28. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 20 January 2016 08: 49 New
    +5
    What are you talking about ? About what? Well, that would not be unfounded, rummaged in the internet. Do not be too lazy to type the video: Banker German Gref - Herman GREF - Kabbalah, power and common people. You can rummage around and government statements from the same forum to find. The best way to legitimize slavery is to declare to the people that they are free, and periodically throw dust in the eyes of all sorts of statements.
  29. Leader
    Leader 20 January 2016 09: 13 New
    +3
    I don’t know about the economy, but what the "sanctions" are in our favor is unambiguous.
    An independent country - and should be independent.
    If only we could shoot our officials with the oligarchs - in general, it would be hurt.
    And there is no need to tell tales that "there will be no one to govern" - there will be both those who wish and those who know.
  30. Xmyp
    Xmyp 20 January 2016 10: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: Leader
    I don’t know about the economy, but what the "sanctions" are in our favor is unambiguous.
    An independent country - and should be independent.
    If only we could shoot our officials with the oligarchs - in general, it would be hurt.
    And there is no need to tell tales that "there will be no one to govern" - there will be both those who wish and those who know.

    Come on, okay. Who do they benefit? Ordinary people?
    Let's say frankly that products from Europe simply go through Belarus. All that has changed is the cost. Oddly enough, she grew up.
    As for some technology, replaced by China.
    That's all .. Reminds me of a "peremogu".
  31. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 20 January 2016 10: 22 New
    +3
    Quote: atalef
    For almost a year now they have not been issuing (they are not printing new money) CARL.
    Neither print.

    They tell you personally, report to you, I wonder how, weekly, monthly or quarterly. You know CARL, as one hero of our film said: "When you speak, it seems to me that you are delusional." Of course, I understand how you "worry" about us, but let's better worry about your Israel.
  32. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 20 January 2016 10: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    And I like the sanctions. "Let them take their pot and give our toys."
    Well, it depends on what kind of toys, maybe they will return the dildo?

    What, my friend, problems? Don’t be shy, otherwise we'll send it off.
  33. uskrabut
    uskrabut 20 January 2016 10: 27 New
    +6
    And the sanctions also showed the complete failure of our government. What narrow-minded people are running the country. They called themselves "elite", they are rowing the people's loot and are doing nothing for the development of the Russian economy. What kind of elite you are - you are scum. They settled in, blocked access to power for smart people, arranged a mutual guarantee. And the result is the collapse of the Russian economy. In general, it has always been customary to call the elite scientists, engineers, designers, cultural workers, teachers, doctors - everyone who makes a real contribution to the development of the prestige of the state. But this, having seized the power, declared themselves the elite. This is not correct, an official cannot be an elite.
    And our payment system will be in demand in the world, especially by those countries that are tired of total 3,14ndosovsky control.
  34. Tagan
    Tagan 20 January 2016 10: 30 New
    +7
    Quote: atalef

    .
    Of course, I’m not quite in the topic (I need to read), but it seems to me that the people are a bit of a substitute for concepts.
    There is no analogue of SWIFT in Russia.
    maybe it's an INTERNATIONAL transaction.
    SPFS - serves internal. , it can become a base for the development of VISA or Mastercard analogs.
    But replace SWIFT in international transactions? What is it like ? It is also necessary the other side to somehow persuade SPFS to use it, and even on an international scale, and taking into account the politicization of all Russian institutions and organizations, and the direct subordination of power (which tomorrow, if it so wishes, will cancel, restrict, verify, etc.) - it’s unlikely whether she is interested in someone over the hill (at the moment).
    \ So it seems to me.

    Yes, none are transactions.
    the people of SWIFT are presented as something superfood fancy. in simple terms, SWIFT is a transport system that allows the exchange of messages between its participants. There are a lot of SWIFT analogues and not only its analogues in Russia. SWIFT is not something better or irreplaceable. otherwise, how do you think bank payments are processed within the country and how did our banks, which were not included in SWIFT, previously interact with foreign banks? besides, hell knows when there were clearing systems, networks of correspondent banks, etc. disabling SWIFT - not "mascara light". it will only add additional links to the chain of interaction.
    and plastic cards are another topic altogether.
    For some reason, the author of the article writes about which issue he is far from being a specialist. from nefig can be done. I do not know)))
  35. Belousov
    Belousov 20 January 2016 10: 51 New
    +1
    Authorities should ALWAYS work for the good of their country, and not just when sanctions are imposed. And with us they can only cut the stabilization fund.
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  36. Letterksi
    Letterksi 20 January 2016 13: 06 New
    +1
    SPFS is inside Russia, and SWIFT is an international system. The article is about nothing at all. They compare the snake with a hedgehog, and sanctions also draw in. Rave!
  37. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 20 January 2016 13: 12 New
    0
    Quote: Belousov
    Authorities should ALWAYS work for the good of their country, and not just when sanctions are imposed. And with us they can only cut the stabilization fund.

    Smile and wave smile Knock down the butter on the paws. soldier
  38. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 20 January 2016 13: 32 New
    +2
    for the system to be of great international importance, it is necessary to reduce the price for its use and the state must guarantee the "secrecy of deposits". In fact, the authorities should follow the path of Switzerland.
    Of course, now all "foundations" are bursting at the seams - the United States does whatever it wants.
    But this is precisely what our calculation should be based on - ensuring stable rules in the banking sector.
    Although, given the presence of a large number in the government of Russia of various kinds of conductors of Western interests, I think this is not feasible.
  39. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 20 January 2016 14: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    and it means that each of us, as a percentage, supports America financially. how do you like

    Yes yes
    Do not be naive and do not read Soviet newspapers in the morning - the Ministry of Finance is the first to support the US economy.
    the purchase of US treasury bonds from May 2015 resumed and from 66,5 billion, by the end of 2015 reached $ 108 billion
  40. Gorodovik
    Gorodovik 20 January 2016 14: 48 New
    +4
    Of course the article is interesting. But the bottom line is that we started to do something when it got hot. And whoever prevented this system from being created7 Yes, of course, better late than never. Yes, and economic news is not encouraging. If at the beginning of the year there were any favorable forecasts, now there are practically none. Today I read how many billion dollars we hold in American bonds. And why they should not be allowed to develop the economy7 You know, of course, if reforms are being implemented now and other ways out of the crisis will come, they will not give results soon. But all this had to be done yesterday. And so teach and sign. The country is in the ass and we are glad that at least something is being done.
    1. Fat
      Fat 20 January 2016 18: 10 New
      +3
      Before the sanctions, even in the WTO they strove in the spirit of international cooperation, they consulted with NATO, were in the 8, and so on. The sanctions prompted the Russian leadership to "anti-globalism" (in a truncated, true form).
      P.S. ...January 20th. / TASS /. Russian President Vladimir Putin jokingly praised the government members for the fact that most of them did not go to the international economic forum in Davos ... The head of state took part in the All-Russian Forum of Entrepreneurs on Wednesday and noted that many ministers were present at the plenary session. “Everyone is here, it is not clear who went to Davos,” he said with a smile. “Apparently, there is not enough money for tickets,” the president jokingly suggested. In response to the remark of one of the forum participants that in this way the members of the government save public funds, Putin agreed: "Good! You have to work at home!" The Russian delegation at the Davos Forum, which opened on January 20, is headed by the Presidential Envoy, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Trutnev.

      More on TASS:
      http://tass.ru/ekonomika/2600560
  41. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 20 January 2016 16: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: R-140
    I support. I need to rewrite the software in each terminal, but it’s not so fast. But it’s quite feasible. Give me time.

    Software development is not a problem and can be entered into terminals throughout the Russian Federation in 1 month, there would be a desire and an indication! In the meantime, our banks, along with the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, are branches of the Fed, and the corresponding counteraction to this! Although the decision to develop and implement its payment system was made almost immediately after the Crimea, it was already the third year! It is necessary to change the system of governing the country from a wretched-capitalist, pseudo-market and party-nomenclature to truly socialist, taking into account the experience of the USSR (not all good things were destroyed by the CPSU party nomenclature).
  42. Balagan
    Balagan 20 January 2016 17: 33 New
    +1
    Well, God forbid, the system is tenacious!
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  44. tilix
    tilix 20 January 2016 23: 15 New
    +1
    And what about banks, how so immediately banks, they are also not easy
  45. faterdom
    faterdom 21 January 2016 00: 26 New
    +3
    And besides: the Chinese yuan promised to be included in the basket of reserve currencies back in the 2008 crisis! When China, the EU and Russia unanimously declared that the dominance of the dollar and the irresponsibility of its owners threaten the whole world.
    And then they were dynamic, until the end of 2015, when the Asian Bank had already begun to be created, and the role and image of the IMF, which at that time twitched with default Ukraine in the near future, could only be described with the word "corkscrew".
    We have: China since October (in my opinion) 2016 - in the "basket".
    Gave 10%. At the expense of the euro and the pound, without affecting the "sacred share" of the dollar. This moment: China is dumping American bonds, trying to buy something real for them, including the surroundings of the Suez Canal and the loyalty of most African countries, dripping and hoarding gold (like Russia), filling all storage facilities with oil to the eyeballs, and contracting future supplies while cheap.
    And lowers the yuan. And reforming the army.
    In autumn, the yuan starts from a low start, carefully prepared by the command of the CPC Central Committee (and not by the invisible hand of the market, as it seems silly and naive gayforums). And several weeks (or months) in a row shows a clear and steady dynamics of growth.
    And here the nerves of investors do not hold back - and the yuan becomes the most coveted commodity (like the Swiss franc in the last crisis). Compared to the dollar, too, and 10% in the basket of reserve currencies assigned by the IMF differ greatly from the reality in the world of capital, and less than parity with the dollar, the Chinese do not agree, or even more (it depends on a lot, but on the will of the CPC Central Committee and availability of reserves in the first place).
    Our oil exchange, non-dollar trading in BRICS and wider for those who wish, capital gains to the yuan at the expense of the dollar, and voila, the United States finds themselves in a pose of something near present-day Ukraine.
    What side are we here? Silent (or not) China’s power support, further ISIS slander (a product of the United States and its Middle East allies), let Ukraine hang in the direction that is not desirable for us, let it hang like a fish pulled out of the water on a Minsk-2 fishing rod. And do not let stir up in Central Asia neither Igil nor Maidan. And also - by all means strengthening India, so that China does not come up with hegemony.
    Among all these probable events of the near future, the launch of our own payment system is just a small step to deceiving a lost particle of our sovereignty (not the only way out of PACE and even more so the WTO are even more necessary steps.)
    So, we welcome such a step, but we are waiting for events of a different scale. TO
    By the way, why are yuan not yet being sold in savings? German Oskarovich will awaken his happiness, downshiter eat it ...
  46. Leader
    Leader 21 January 2016 09: 25 New
    0
    Quote: XmyP
    Come on, okay. Who do they benefit? Ordinary people?
    Let's say frankly that products from Europe simply go through Belarus.

    I am a supporter of isolationism. I don’t need the West.
    Our country has a complete list of natural resources, a vast territory and a lot of land and water; and able to provide herself with vital resources.
    Why do I need the WTO, EU, PACE and other rabble? I do not need Western products - we ourselves can grow potatoes and chicken; and I can do without any import.
    And no Western products should be imported - there is no need.
    The more "sanctions" - the more attention is paid to domestic production. And there are less groundless rosy dreams of universal brotherhood and love.

    Everything in this world is due to limited resources. Not enough for everyone!
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 21 January 2016 09: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Leader
      I am a supporter of isolationism. I don't need the West

      products based on Western technologies, too, computers there, all kinds of peripherals, cellular communications, with all the nishtyaks, isn’t it necessary?
      1. 2news
        2news 21 January 2016 10: 27 New
        0
        Quote: sa-ag
        do not?

        What's this. He apparently also does not need modern medicines.
  47. Tagan
    Tagan 21 January 2016 09: 39 New
    +2
    Quote: sa-ag
    In general, from the point of view of logic, it is strange for interbank transfers within the country to use a foreign organization, but it is even stranger to create one only when there is a threat of difficulty in accessing this international organization

    What do you mean by interbank transfers within the country?
    It is important to understand that SWIFT, Visa and MasterCard, other payment systems and external bank payments (within the country) are completely different things. the resemblance is something like horseradish with a finger.
    domestic banking system of electronic payments is completely independent and based on domestic developments. interbank transfers within the country are independent and go through the settlement centers of the Central Bank! do not confuse this with import payment systems, which have processing centers over the hill.
    presence / absence of SWIFT for the above deep purple.
    someone cited the example of Iran with its frozen means ... and what is it to get on? How does SWIFT affect freezing / unfreezing of funds on accounts of foreign banks? no way! or how does SWIFT, Visa and MasterCard affect the funds deposited in an account with a Russian bank? yes AT ALL NOTHING!
    the issue is in the interaction of domestic banks with foreign ones. this is the whole point of SWIFT. FSE!
    and there are workarounds that possibly complicate the passage of payments (as agreed).
    therefore, gentlemen, stop hysteria and do not interfere all in one pile.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 21 January 2016 12: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Tagan
      What do you mean by interbank transfers within the country?

      when I was working at a bank for an individual, there was a service of transferring funds to any bank using the SWIFT system, 25 bucks regardless of the amount of transfer and 3 days
  48. Tagan
    Tagan 21 January 2016 13: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: sa-ag
    when I was working at a bank for an individual, there was a service of transferring funds to any bank using the SWIFT system, 25 bucks regardless of the amount of transfer and 3 days

    since you’ve started talking about interbank transfers within the country, then if you have worked at a bank at least since the beginning of the year since 1994, you probably know that already then there was a system of electronic payments through the Central Banks. and intra-regional payments transactions could go day to day, inter-regional payments longer, and then it was completely leveled. Well, for banks with an extensive branch network, problems with client transfers were even smaller. and even then domestic software was used. Now there are no problems with transfers within the country without involving foreign payment systems. and for legal entities within the country, there’s no reason to be so fooled by some SWIFTs.
    Then what is the use of transferring domestically using the SWIFT system? if transferring to a foreign bank, still back and forth. maybe I misunderstood the meaning of the phrase?
  49. CRASH
    CRASH 21 January 2016 23: 39 New
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    You are people far from the banking topic, if we are disconnected from the swift, this is actually a declaration of war, because our banks, even inside the country, will not be able to exchange information, the telegraph and equestrian division will return.
  50. complete zero
    complete zero 22 January 2016 09: 00 New
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    it seems like a dick .. (we play it out before the pen) ... the more bravura speeches the better the REALLY REAL SITUATION (I would like to make a mistake)