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For flight tests preparing a new training aircraft CP-10

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Specialists of Design Bureau aviation Technologies ”is preparing a lightweight single-engine jet trainer SR-10 for flight factory tests, enterprise director Maxim Mironov told Interfax-AVN.


For flight tests preparing a new training aircraft CP-10


“In the very near future, the stage of factory flight tests of the CP-10 aircraft will begin. In December, 2015, the first prototype machine has already completed two flights, having spent in the air 40 and 20 minutes, respectively, ”Mironova newspaper quoted as saying MIC.

“The tests will last about three months,” said the director. “The time needed to complete the CP-10 flight test with at least 20 test flights will largely depend on the weather.”

According to him, the car will be in demand by the military. “The Russian Air Force needs a lightweight single-engined two-seat training aircraft as an intermediate vehicle between a promising aircraft with a Yak-152 piston engine and a combat training Yak-130,” Mironov said.

Developer Help: “CP-10 is made according to the normal aerodynamic design with one turbojet engine. Take-off weight of the aircraft: the maximum - 2700 kg, normal - 2400 kg. The aircraft will have a maximum flight speed of up to 900 km / h and a flight speed of 700 km / h. The maximum range of a half – ta is 1500 km, the practical ceiling is 6000 m ”.

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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 January 2016 08: 30 New
    18
    Quite light and cheap. All the same, the Yak 130 is almost an attack aircraft. And this one, and even with such an original wing - just right.
    1. Darkmor
      Darkmor 13 January 2016 08: 40 New
      +9
      But why do we need the reverse sweep of the wing on a training aircraft?
      I would understand if we had a serial fighter with the same wing, for the peculiarities of avionics and maneuvering which would need a similar training aircraft.
      1. Yak-3P
        Yak-3P 13 January 2016 08: 45 New
        +9
        controllability is much better, and this is necessary on a flying school desk ... you just weren’t in the sky .. spend money --- fly at least 20 minutes and you will understand that the parachute is for the custodians
      2. Susul
        Susul 13 January 2016 09: 31 New
        +2
        Features of avionics and aircraft behavior are programmed in the on-board computer of the training aircraft.
      3. Conscience
        Conscience 13 January 2016 10: 07 New
        +1
        then it’s going to be in a series or in Syria drinks
      4. RDX
        RDX 13 January 2016 11: 08 New
        0
        Reverse sweep improves maneuverability, most likely it will be used; for sports aerobatic teams, instead of YAKs, in addition to training purposes, this wing shape will be tested for practicality, for further implementation in advanced combat aircraft models. This is purely my personal opinion))) there are also sketches of aircraft with four wings)))
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 13 January 2016 12: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: RDX
          Reverse sweep improves maneuverability, most likely it will be used; for sports aerobatic teams, instead of YAKs, in addition to training purposes, this wing shape will be tested for practicality, for further implementation in advanced combat aircraft models. This is purely my personal opinion))) there are also sketches of aircraft with four wings)))

          .. reverse sweep there is only -10 .. and used for compactness, smart people explained .. hi
          On December 25, 2015, without much publicity, at the Oreshkovo aerodrome (Vorotynsk, Kaluga Region), which previously belonged to the DOSAAF Training Aviation Center (now the Albatros Aero flying club), the first prototype of the lightweight two-seat training and sports trainer aircraft made its first flight SR-10, developed by Design Bureau Modern Aviation Technologies LLC (SAT Design Bureau, Moscow) under the direction of D.A. Kibetz. In the first flight, pilot test pilot Yu.M. Kabanov and pilot M. Mironov. The prototype is equipped with an AI-25TL engine (apparently used).
          ..
    2. Sweles
      Sweles 13 January 2016 08: 45 New
      20
      and in Russian it was impossible to write TTX? Why should I translate the performance characteristics of our aircraft? Or did they immediately export this thing? It’s impossible to tell in more detail which engine, how much ours and not ours are there? They throw information like a bone to dogs ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 January 2016 08: 50 New
        -1
        Quote: Sveles
        Information is thrown like a bone to dogs ...

        The cold warrior is coming, no one will now spread the full performance characteristics of you. Rather, soon you will not receive this, which is in the article.
      2. Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 13 January 2016 08: 52 New
        12
        Quote: Sveles
        and in Russian it was impossible to write TTX?


        Yes, please ... the photo is clickable.
        Designers - respect, they try something new, unusual. So maybe something will be created on the basis of the Su-47 “Golden Eagle”. Still a good device, it is a pity that nothing more is heard about it.
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 13 January 2016 10: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: Corsair0304
          something based on the Su-47 "Golden Eagle" will create. Still a good device, it is a pity that nothing more is heard about it.

          Not audible, because it was experimental, not serial. They flew around, tested the control features of the reverse sweep wing, decided not to bother so far.
      3. Sirocco
        Sirocco 13 January 2016 08: 55 New
        +5
        Quote: Sveles
        It is impossible to tell in more detail which engine, how many are ours and not ours?

        You can why not.
        So far, one AI-25TLSh twin-turbo jet engine with a thrust of 1850 kgf has been considered as a power plant, but the possibility of installing modern RD-1700 and AL-55I engines with a thrust of 1700-1760 kgf has been worked out. The aircraft control system is mechanical, with hydraulic booster. Depending on the requirements and financial capabilities of the customer, the information and control field of the cabin can be formed from both traditional electromechanical devices and modern multi-functional indicators. The crew of the SR-10 aircraft will be placed on highly reliable ejection seats of the K-36LT-3,5 type.

        Everything else you want to know about is MYSTERY. ))))
        1. Sweles
          Sweles 13 January 2016 09: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: Sirocco
          Everything else you want to know about is MYSTERY. )))


          thank you for the information, but the secret is a vulgar word for those who want to seem more than they really are. I don’t understand what secret can be from this small plane, it’s not even a military one. Such planes in America every year create several pieces and do not make any secrets from this.
          Or do they also want to hang weapons on him? You can not answer.
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 13 January 2016 10: 11 New
            +2
            Well, why, I’ll answer, I really want to be more than it seems somewhat.))))
            SR-10, developed by KB Modern Aviation Technologies LLC (SAT Design Bureau) - a team that recently recovered and managed to return to the sky - after almost a half-century break! - the famous jet aircraft A.S.Yakovlev Design Bureau Yak-30 and Yak-32. SR-10 stands for "jet aircraft with a sweep of the wing -10 °." Negative sweep along the leading edge is one of the main “highlights” of the aerodynamic layout of this aircraft, the construction of which, in principle, uses already tested and tested materials and technologies. This, according to developers, should reduce the technical risks when creating an aircraft. Due to the widespread use of modern composite materials in the design of the airframe, it was possible to significantly reduce the weight of the airframe and increase the resource.... Of course, to believe that a small "private" design team is able to create and launch an efficient modern jet aircraft flying at a speed of almost 900 km / h, and even more so that the military will buy it, is not easy.

            A private company developing this aircraft. That is, at least, a trade secret.
            Well, then, whether there will be dopa on it or not, don’t go to the grandmother, the military will. hi
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 13 January 2016 13: 47 New
              +3
              Quote: Sirocco
              Well, then, whether there will be dopa on it or not, don’t go to the grandmother, the military will.

              Spreading my mind, I came to the conclusion:
              1. This is a reliable means of control and adjustment of art fire and other shock systems;
              2. You can’t imagine a better way to deal with UAVs! The rest is all expensive, and if not expensive, then in range / height it does not fit;
              3. The load is small - only 300 kg ... only guerrillas in the mountains to drive. Nothing is said about REO. Radar? navigation (GLONAS / GPS)? EW? Well, there is every connection.
              4. Golden eagle - LL, so I do not want to believe that such a powerful idea was so simply abandoned! Apparently "Finch" is the first swallow in the line of aircraft with USC.
              IMHO. hi
        2. faridg7
          faridg7 13 January 2016 18: 39 New
          +2
          Good old AI-25. Nothing will change, just as the cadets are cramming the albatross engine now, they will. Damn, I like this engine-Father flew on the Yak40, I remember he had several badges for an accident-free flight - 5000 hours, 7000, 14000 ... A reliable unit. here, of course, for a sports airplane, the throttle response (in my opinion) is not enough: 12 seconds is an eternity, but it is very reliable.
          Oh, and it’s like they collected it in Ukraine. Will the piglet be put from there?
    3. Sirocco
      Sirocco 13 January 2016 08: 50 New
      +8
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Quite light and cheap.

      It would be good to bring it at a business class price, and to the general public, helicopters like Robinson, or Eurocopter, 2,4,6, local ones, and load factories, at least our UAZ, so to speak aviation to the masses. After all, small aircraft are buried here, and the price tags for imported aircraft, (SLA) are horse-drawn. This is the idea inspired by this crumb))))
    4. seti
      seti 13 January 2016 10: 30 New
      +2
      It is interesting that he has a wing like that of the Su-47 Golden Eagle. Apparently this is a plane as a cheap replacement for the Yak-130. After all, there are many flight clubs, not everyone trains combat pilots, there are civilian amateurs on all of Jacob's. And there is a need for such an aircraft.
    5. Misha Honest
      Misha Honest 13 January 2016 10: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Quite light and cheap. All the same, the Yak 130 is almost an attack aircraft. And this one, and even with such an original wing - just right.

      Handsome man! For some reason, the sparrow reminded me! I want this - to fly to the cottage. laughing Dreams Dreams... repeat
    6. meriem1
      meriem1 13 January 2016 11: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Quite light and cheap. All the same, the Yak 130 is almost an attack aircraft. And this one, and even with such an original wing - just right.

      It is no longer the original wing! Su = 37 BERKUT. Reverse sweep wing.
    7. DefakeR
      DefakeR 14 January 2016 01: 45 New
      0
      Here is the ideal option for a multi-functional drone :-) Only insert unmanned stuffing and weapon options and application tactics to calculate, yes, think through such a nice argument :-) :-) :-) and when did Tyumen fly under the Jatan flag? Pts interesting question ... chur chur mattress
  2. venaya
    venaya 13 January 2016 08: 30 New
    +4
    An interesting aircraft, even a scheme with a reverse sweep of the wing is implemented.
    I hope that its cost will be insignificant, which will be very useful for us now
    1. avt
      avt 13 January 2016 10: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: venaya
      An interesting aircraft, even a scheme with a reverse sweep of the wing is implemented.

      Yes - it looks cool, outwardly, even a pretty beautiful bird turned out, a kind of goldfinch sassy. Neat like that. good We wish them good luck and serial production!
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 13 January 2016 13: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: avt
        We wish them good luck and serial production!
        I agree!
        But here's an ambush: a manufacturing base? The old (in the sense of the former) - everything is clogged with SDO and work for export. And here are the composites, this is not a pound of raisins from saiki to be picked for you!
        Yes, and dviglo can be more powerful to put, so that the thrust-to-weight ratio is approaching 1! Then it will be a "swallow"!
        1. avt
          avt 13 January 2016 14: 40 New
          0
          Quote: BoA KAA
          But here's an ambush: a manufacturing base?

          request
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Yes, and dviglo can be more powerful to put,

          The ambush was still a big ambush as to where to do what and what to choose from. But really, the DOSAAF machine for training pilots and the Yak -130 are expensive for this;
  3. Wedmak
    Wedmak 13 January 2016 08: 32 New
    +2
    Check out the reverse sweep of the wing. I have not seen such a scheme on any training aircraft.
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 13 January 2016 08: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      Check out the reverse sweep of the wing. I have not seen such a scheme on any training aircraft.


      Who can enlighten a plane with a reverse sweep of the wing - is this already considered a “normal aerodynamic design”?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 13 January 2016 09: 10 New
        0
        In my opinion this is a normal scheme - wings in front, tail with elevators at the back. Abnormal is a duck, tailless, wing and others.
      2. Susul
        Susul 13 January 2016 09: 34 New
        +1
        This is a long-standing scheme, piston planes still flew with it, and you can also see it on some sports
      3. Hydrograph
        Hydrograph 13 January 2016 15: 39 New
        0
        Normal (ordinary) A. s. - GO (stabilizer) is located behind (in flight) the wing. This scheme is most widespread due to a simple solution to the issues of longitudinal stability and longitudinal controllability in all flight modes.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 13 January 2016 09: 13 New
      +5
      There is an extremely small angle, given that the aircraft is cheap and aluminum at 100%, strength should be ensured.

      At the same time, at such a small angle, the question is still, why is this sweep, besides marketing? The Americans and Sukhoi experimented and gained advantages at a much larger angle, but even there the wings scattered, because the loads were beyond the limits of existing materials.

      This aircraft is assembled at the Aircraft Unit under garage conditions, by students and enthusiasts. The issue of mass production at the Aircraft Unit without multi-billion infusions (in fact, to build a modern plant) is unrealistic, which means we need to look for a site.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 13 January 2016 09: 45 New
        +6
        At the same time, at such a small angle, the question is still, why is this sweep, besides marketing? The Americans and Sukhoi experimented and gained advantages at a much larger angle, but even there the wings scattered, because the loads were beyond the limits of existing materials.

        I'm certainly not a pro in aerodynamics, but it seems to me and a small angle makes sense. For an example of small size, look at the PGO at SU-34. It would seem that small wings for such an aircraft do not solve anything. However, they allow you to keep control on takeoff and landing, and are directly involved in intensive maneuvering.
        I remember with the reverse sweep of the wing, such a phenomenon as a stall of the air flow decreases. That is, the air does not go along the wing, but normally flows around it creating additional lifting force.
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 13 January 2016 10: 16 New
          0
          [quote = Wedmak] [quote]
          I remember with the reverse sweep of the wing, such a phenomenon as a stall of the air flow decreases. That is, the air does not go along the wing, but normally flows around it creating additional lifting force. [/ Quote]
          Reverse sweep has many advantages, but many disadvantages. The main plus is the phenomenal maneuverability. The main minus is a very large wing load. Why do you think the program for the production of aircraft with reverse sweep SU-47 "Golden Eagle" was curtailed? Yes, because just at that time, engines with a variable thrust vector were created that greatly increased the maneuverability of the fighter. Therefore, to show off with the creation of aircraft with reverse arrow-shaped lost ANY SENSE. The question is, why did you now create an airplane with such sweep? Which plane are the students going to fly on subsequently? This is a completely different aerodynamics! Why, in order to fly an airplane, does a cadet learn to fly an airship?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 13 January 2016 10: 39 New
            +1
            Why do you think the program for the production of aircraft with reverse sweep SU-47 "Golden Eagle" was curtailed? Yes, because just at that time, engines with a variable thrust vector were created, greatly increasing the maneuverability of the fighter.

            Yes, the program has been minimized. True, not only because of the appearance of engines with OBT. Namely, because of the destruction of the wing, there are really very heavy loads, stupidly there are no necessary materials for such a wing to serve for at least some long time. So when such ones appear, to make friends with the OB and the wing with the reverse sweep - we get a completely different type of aircraft. Aircraft will smoke on the sidelines.
            The question is, why did you now create an airplane with such sweep?

            Why not? On a light airplane it’s quite good for itself. And the angle is not so big, the loads were probably calculated.
            Further questions are not for me at all. I am only discussing the very design of the aircraft. An interesting glider is how it will behave in flight and how it differs from the same L-39 in control.
    3. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 13 January 2016 14: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      I have not seen such a scheme on any training aircraft.

      Yes, arbitrarily:
      MiG-ATKOS Training aircraft of the new generation with a reverse sweep wing. The UTS MiG-ATKOS variant is undergoing flight tests at the flight base in the LII of Zhukovsky. The reverse sweep wing was successfully used on the S-37 Berkut experimental aircraft. The MiG-ATKOS prototype was prepared for comparative tests with the MiG-AT base aircraft to assess the maneuverability characteristics.
  4. Wild_grey_wolf
    Wild_grey_wolf 13 January 2016 08: 39 New
    +5
    An advanced device, clear sky crew of such birds.
  5. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 13 January 2016 08: 41 New
    +1
    handsome !!! I think aeroclubs will be happy with this .. they will give it. 52nd then yes 55th already all the regulations have passed a long time .. repair is under repair .. "and I want to fly" !!!
  6. Wolka
    Wolka 13 January 2016 08: 51 New
    -2
    good tactical substitution Po-2 "Corn" ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 13 January 2016 09: 07 New
      0
      Not. This is an ultralight type of the same Pampa or K-8, it’s only easier, without any weapons, to fly cleanly double.

      However, the question is, is it necessary?

      MO chose the classic and global scheme - Vint-Reaktiv and paid for contracts for the Yak-152 (albeit with a foreign engine) and Yak-130.

      CP-10 does not climb here, because it is an airplane of the Yak-152 level in terms of training opportunities.

      No, you can insert both CP-10 and a couple more types, but they are not needed, that is, a real training program requires 2 aircraft - basic training (MO chose the Yak-152) and thematic-in-depth (MO chose the Yak-130).
      1. DarkMatter
        DarkMatter 13 January 2016 09: 23 New
        +1
        As far as I know, this plane was precisely the competitor of the Yak-152, lost to him and now they (in KB) decided that now their plane is not a competitor, but is an intermediate link between the Yaks (152 and 130), and they are trying to sell it to the troops . I do not know if there really is a need with it. If before there was a lot of money and you could afford it, now I would choose the country's security and the purchase of really missing equipment, and not any twists and turns, unfortunately, because I would also like to support private developers.

        the photo was good, maybe it can be sold to foreign natives, I don’t think much, and a beautiful view is sometimes more important for them lol

        1. donavi49
          donavi49 13 January 2016 09: 38 New
          0
          Well, landing a cadet immediately on a reagent is somewhat innovative, and aviation does not like such sharp innovations. Therefore, it is obvious that the classic school desk Yak-152 won.

          The question is, why do we need another intermediate plane? Now how - they are taught to fly, the basics of navigation, approaches, simple maneuvers, in general the basic course, on the Yak-52 (in the future, the Yak-152). Yak-130 retraining (the identity of the cabs with the Yak-152 will allow to shrink the retraining course) and the thematic, basic flight course.

          Where is the CP-10 niche visible? Even if you take an optimistic flight twice as cheap as the L-39 flight hour, you will still have to retrain on the Yak-130 / L-39 for the full course. It will come out +/- the same as a result, if you break the course into 3 aircraft.
          1. Yak-3P
            Yak-3P 13 January 2016 10: 01 New
            0
            Yes, they will not give the 130th for accounting .. expensive .. until
          2. Ros 56
            Ros 56 13 January 2016 11: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: donavi49
            Well, putting a cadet right on the reagent is somewhat innovative


            First of all, you are mistaken. Everything depended on what school it is, in the sense of whom it is preparing. fighters or transporters. And they started on the L-29 and that's okay. Link to the photo, for some reason I can’t insert.

            http://www.avsim.su/forum/uploads/monthly_08_2008/post-3220-1218476512
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      2. Yak-3P
        Yak-3P 13 January 2016 09: 24 New
        0
        you with shoigu thumped ?? information offshoot ?? I am in heaven in any form .. the cadet is difficult to learn for the student .. and this is the desk .. onto the 52 handle on the loop with 2 hands you pull after the bell - you don’t understand ...
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 13 January 2016 09: 40 New
          +2
          So. Yak-52 will be, or rather will be in a new form - Yak-152. The question is about the CP-10 (he lost in the Yak-152 design-and-design competition) that Makhachkala wants to do after they build the Aircraft Unit for federal money.
          1. Yak-3P
            Yak-3P 13 January 2016 09: 59 New
            -1
            if they make a hydrach on the handle, he won’t be able to .. we’ll cut everyone on the air flight ..
      3. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 13 January 2016 09: 37 New
        +5
        Quote: donavi49
        CP-10 does not climb here, because it is an airplane of the Yak-152 level in terms of training opportunities.

        I’m kind of not a pilot at all, but a simple Tankman, but let me put in my five cents
        hi
        In a conversation with the flyers, it was said briefly - the YAK-130 is a complex machine. This is NOT a flying school desk.
        The flying school desk (reactive) is still a Czech machine, so it needs a replacement.
        I believe the words of my friend, PIC MIG-31.
    2. Yak-3P
      Yak-3P 13 January 2016 09: 18 New
      -2
      yes you Vasya !! yes no words .. you yourself corn .. on the cob .. don’t know don’t torment your fingers
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 13 January 2016 10: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: Yak-3P
        yes you Vasya !! yes no words .. you yourself corn .. on the cob .. don’t know don’t torment your fingers

        Comrade Smoke, you would use "quote", then it would be clear who you are addressing)))
        wink
        I’m kind of just with humor, without any raids))).
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 13 January 2016 10: 19 New
        0
        Well, what’s it like that per person, well, you don’t know, it happens, but you’re on the cob. Laughing out loud.
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 13 January 2016 10: 15 New
      +5
      Quote: Volka
      good tactical substitution Po-2 "Corn" ...


      Something I did not understand, what are you talking about? Or on New Year's holidays the film was watched by “Heavenly Slow-motion”. Yes, the Po-2 was a flying school desk, and it was in operation for about 50 years, then it was replaced by the Yak-18, then the Yak-12, and finally the Yak-52, well, and then they all collapsed safely, and the ASK switched to a miserable existence with outstretched hand. For example, there was one and a half aircraft left in our club, the golden years were gone, now there is no such need for SR-10, if only for selling a hill, there is simply no money. Yes, and pilots) nobody prepares DOSAAF instructors, there used to be a Volchansky school, then he was transferred to Zaporozhye, but now you know everything there. Yes, and military schools have reduced, our OVVAUL them. Half-moon, alas, does not exist. By the way, Yu.A. Gagarin studied here. So the prospects for CP, I think, are rather vague.
      The only thing that pleases, in spite of all the efforts of our government, by no means is it possible to kill the healthy desire of our designers, athletes and aviation sports enthusiasts in general to do this. Thin - poor, somewhere at his own expense, but men do not give up, and not only men. By the way, today I don’t remember what program on TV there will be a film about the World Champion in aerobatics Svetlana Kapanina, I personally saw what she can do, was with us, I had throat eggs rising from fear for her. Sorry, it's boiling.
  7. amt2011
    amt2011 13 January 2016 09: 30 New
    +1
    on yak 130, if desired, it was possible to carry out a combat mission))
  8. lilian
    lilian 13 January 2016 09: 35 New
    0
    The news is already somehow unexpected. For the first time I learned about the salette and not just another project, but already took off.
    It remains to be hoped that they will not test as long as the Angara will be released soon.
  9. glasha3032
    glasha3032 13 January 2016 09: 40 New
    0
    A waste of money. During the competition for the supply of TCBs to the Russian Air Force, two devices were introduced — the MiG TCB and the Yak-130, so Yak won and one of the reasons for the win was the presence of 2 engines on the TRAINING TRAINING PLANE!
    1. Yak-3P
      Yak-3P 13 January 2016 09: 55 New
      +1
      You are a little far from accounting .. the more different types the better at mastering the flight business .. and 2 engines are not a panacea for flight accidents .. maybe it gives some head start but not for accounting
  10. FID
    FID 13 January 2016 09: 47 New
    +2
    And they will build this car at the Aircraft Unit factory in Dagestan ... Impressive!
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 13 January 2016 10: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: SSI
      And they will build this car at the Aircraft Unit factory in Dagestan ... Impressive!

      Good day, Sergey.
      Glad to hear that.
      hi
      How do you like this car in a nutshell?
      And explain, pliz, the phrase about the aircraft unit.
      1. FID
        FID 13 January 2016 10: 51 New
        +5
        Quote: Aleks tv
        And explain, pliz, the phrase about the aircraft unit.

        They plan to build there, in Makhachkala ... aircraft factories in Russia are over ... But we need TCBs, there are few jet engines, but pistols are good for preparing first-graders, and then jet ones are needed ... The Yak-130 is still an airplane of another class, this is a "desk" for future combat pilots, but for the Civil Air Fleet this one is quite ...
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 13 January 2016 11: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: SSI
          They plan to build there, in Makhachkala ... aircraft factories in Russia are over ...

          laughing
          Clear.

          On CP-10 is also clear.
          Thank you.
          hi
        2. Alex_59
          Alex_59 13 January 2016 14: 56 New
          0
          Quote: SSI
          The Yak-130 is still a plane of a different class, it is already a "desk" for future combat pilots, but for the Civil Air Fleet this one is quite ...

          For GVF, this CP-10 is also not a horse oats. GVF would be better L-410, M-101 or IL-103. Location shoulder to shoulder and performance characteristics are more suitable for civilians, more familiar.
        3. WUA 518
          WUA 518 13 January 2016 15: 13 New
          +5
          Quote: SSI
          aircraft factories in Russia are over.

          Serezha, Alexey I welcome. The fact is that this aircraft is positioned as a fully Russian assembly, which fits perfectly into the import substitution program. Another question is whether the problem of wing torsion deformations is solved at such a sweep angle.
          1. FID
            FID 13 January 2016 16: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: WUA 518
            Serezha, Alexey welcome

            Hello Sasha! Most likely, the speed will not be too big ... Well, yes, 0.85M is maximum, and operational - well, 0.6-0.7M ... Therefore, I think it will not twist much ...
          2. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 13 January 2016 16: 21 New
            +2
            Hi Sanya!
            hi
            Quote: WUA 518
            Quote: SSI
            aircraft factories in Russia are over.

            Serezha, Alexey I welcome. The fact is that this aircraft is positioned as a fully Russian assembly, which fits perfectly into the import substitution program. Another question is whether the problem of wing torsion deformations is solved at such a sweep angle.

            Quote: SSI
            Well, yes 0.85M is maximum, and operational - well, 0.6-0.7M ... Therefore, I think it will not twist much ...

            Wah, how are you, flying, it's complicated ...
            We didn’t try to switch to caterpillars)))
            wink
            Guys, with the upcoming RUSSIAN holiday.
            Happy New Year!
            drinks
            1. WUA 518
              WUA 518 13 January 2016 16: 58 New
              +2
              Quote: Aleks tv
              Happy New Year!

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            2. FID
              FID 13 January 2016 17: 10 New
              +2
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  11. Alex_59
    Alex_59 13 January 2016 10: 06 New
    +1
    Well done for building a plane. Only the justification, it seems to me, is somewhat strained - "we need a plane between the Yak-130 and the Yak-52 / 152." What is it needed for? Especially for this aircraft to invent a new level of training? In Soviet times, the Yak-52 + L-29 / 39 completely cost themselves. So in the place of Moscow Region I would refrain from mass purchases, concentrating my main efforts on the Yak-130. And this airplane would position itself as the simplest jet aircraft for ROSTO and would purchase in a small amount (unless of course in our realities you can find at least some money for this). The rationale here is not in the terrible need for this aircraft, but in supporting youth. It will pay off with interest - it’s better to glue the plane in the garage than sniff the glue.
  12. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz 13 January 2016 10: 55 New
    +3
    The reverse sweep is more likely made by weight distribution, i.e. to reduce the size. The aircraft itself is composite and lighter than the Yak-130 several times. It has only one engine, it is simpler avionics.
    Conclusion: the aircraft is most likely intended for flying clubs, athletes and private owners, and this is another niche. Because not everyone can afford a half-attack aircraft
  13. pavelty
    pavelty 13 January 2016 11: 02 New
    +2
    I don’t understand why this plane is needed? What does the Ministry of Defense want to acquire? We have that training in three stages is conducted by I-152 / it is not clear what / Yak-130? And how do they want to launch it in a series? Enthusiastic cries are not very clear .. well, yes, the idea is interesting, but practical application ..
  14. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 13 January 2016 11: 34 New
    0
    A muddy story with this plane. It is unclear who, it is unclear where, it is unclear what, it is unclear why and immediately with access to the very top. I think all this will end in a strange way, as it begins.
  15. fzr1000
    fzr1000 13 January 2016 11: 49 New
    +1
    The plane was created by enthusiasts, as in the 30s. The Makhachkala plant would like to produce it, but ... when everyone dismissed CP10, the Makhachkala residents helped as they could. Now, what they are offered the maximum is to become a subcontractor in its production.
  16. Maksus
    Maksus 13 January 2016 12: 27 New
    +1
    The amateurish question - what do pilots of transport and long-range bomber aviation learn to fly on? And what is our role as a training helicopter?
  17. KBR109
    KBR109 13 January 2016 13: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    All the same, the Yak 130 is almost an attack aircraft.

    Throw verbal balancing act. A plane with many points of suspension, however, is not an attack aircraft.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 13 January 2016 14: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: KBR109
      All the same, the Yak 130 is almost an attack aircraft.

      Throw verbal balancing act. A plane with many points of suspension, however, is not an attack aircraft.
      Follow the advertisement! (С)
      Ours have already announced that they are ready to let in the Yak-130 as a light attack aircraft. They are waiting for foreign orders.
    2. Maksus
      Maksus 13 January 2016 14: 39 New
      0
      I completely agree, this is still a combat training aircraft. Not the 2x local attack aircraft.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 13 January 2016 23: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Maksus
        it's still a combat training aircraft. And not a 2-seater attack aircraft.
        This is so, but I’m saying that we are ready to produce the Yak-130 and as a light attack aircraft:
        "As previously stated by the head of the Rosoboronexport Air Force Department, Sergey Kornev, Russia may convert the Yak-130 into an attack aircraft, if foreign customers have such a desire. “If they ask for an attack aircraft, then we have another sample, but if a client wants such an aircraft based on the Yak-130, then additional time and money will be required, but this is a feasible thing,” said Kornev.
        And here's another:
        "Yak-130 is designed to teach cadets of flying schools piloting skills and the solution of combat missions when operating on ground and air targets, characteristic of aircraft of 4 and 5 generations. Highly reliable integrated control system with the possibility of reprogramming allows you to prepare a pilot for aircraft such as Su-30, MiG-29, F-16 and F-15, Rafale, Typhoon, F-35 ".
        http://vz.ru/news/2015/8/27/763448.html
        So I personally do not see sedition in my previous judgment.
        Yours faithfully, hi
  18. Letnab
    Letnab 13 January 2016 14: 02 New
    0
    in YouTube about this plane a bunch of videos, how it was created, for what.
  19. marshes
    marshes 13 January 2016 16: 27 New
    0
    I wanted to ask, I didn’t get a grasp of the comments, What engine on this unit? What production, and the final cost of the specimen, preferably in dead raccoons.